Article: 52404 of rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc From: nospam@w6yx.stanford.edu (Alan) Subject: Re: Amazing Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 06:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In article "Marty Albert" writes: >By the same token, if you plug in numbers for, say, 1.2 Kbps over CAT6 of >500 m length, that won't work either. The fact is, we (the telecomm/data >comm industry) do it every day. Nonsense. The numbers say nothing of the sort. My conclusion is: "troll", i.e. nonsense postings to stir up traffic in the group. I think that conclusion is being charitable. Alan Article: 52405 of rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc From: "Hank Oredson" References: Subject: Re: Amazing Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 03:26:06 GMT "Alan" wrote in message news:d71786$5if$1@news.Stanford.EDU... > In article "Marty > Albert" writes: > >>By the same token, if you plug in numbers for, say, 1.2 Kbps over CAT6 of >>500 m length, that won't work either. The fact is, we (the telecomm/data >>comm industry) do it every day. > > Nonsense. The numbers say nothing of the sort. > > My conclusion is: "troll", i.e. nonsense postings to stir up traffic > in the group. Exactly. Group gets way too little traffic. > I think that conclusion is being charitable. Naw, just your usual garden variety troll. Check the bottom, might win something. -- ... Hank http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli Article: 52406 of rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc From: "Marty Albert" References: Subject: Re: Amazing Message-ID: <9t3me.22322$J12.5955@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:17:25 GMT Troll? Hardly... Making a point? Absolutely... Refer to the very first message in this topic. Based on the E-Mail I have been getting, it would seem that most of the lurkers in the group got the point Take Care & 73 -- >From The Desk Of Marty Albert, KC6UFM Article: 52407 of rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc From: "mark new" Subject: cash Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:19:57 GMT MAKE ALOT OF MONEY!!! NOT A SCAM PLZ READ Posted By: JASON Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2005 "Hi, I'm 23 and I make more money than my parents and so can you" Turn $6.00 into $60,000...read this to find out how!!! READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE! I found this on a bulletin board like this one and decided to try it. A little while back, I was browsing through a newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, "Yeah right, this must be a scam", but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. 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You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the phrase "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST.", your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it! Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: #1)S.R. Johnson : 3285 Lewis Ave. : Signal Hill, CA 90807 #2)B. Hooper : 3 Warringah Gve. : Petrie, QLD, Australia 4502 #3)Matthew Speight : 6 Charnwood Ave. : Belfast : N. Ireland : BT15 5DH #4)Andrew Hunter . 7520-1 South Aragon Blvd . Sunrise, FL 33313 #5)Salvatore De Luca . 102 Overlook Ave . North Haledon, NJ 07508 #6)Marc New, 1/7 Sinclair Gardens, Edinburgh, Scotland, U.K. , EH11 1UU. STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list. STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 2.4million groups) All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you make! This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal lottery laws. Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need money, you can use it again, and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many others have received will come your way. NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you will be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an opportunity for only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own name to the list and you're in business! ---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS------------ Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory. Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list. Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back to. Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click the post message button. You're done with your first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup! **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount of mail you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still ONLY 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00! With an original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is: do you realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday?, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money? So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual internet. REMEMBER, PLAY FAIRLY AND HONESTLY AND THIS WILL WORK FOR YOU!!! Article: 52408 of rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc From: "Marty Albert" References: <1116361519.813909.326290@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9cadnZ5Xf5xbdRffRVn-ow@comcast.com> <6sudnRhg451OdQXfRVn-gQ@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Amazing Message-ID: <5Nsme.22755$J12.7291@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:05:21 GMT I would love to as soon as the university approves the release... In the meantime, it is all proprietary and property of the university. Take Care & 73 -- >From The Desk Of Marty Albert, KC6UFM "Dana H. Myers" wrote in message news:6sudnRhg451OdQXfRVn-gQ@comcast.com... > Marty Albert wrote: > > TDM = Time Domain Multiplexing > > > > WDM = Wide Dimensional Multiplexing > > > > SDM = Statistical Domain Multiplexing. > > > > TDM and, to a limited degree, WDM have been around and used for several > > decades in high performance networking. SDM is relatively new, about 5 > > years. > > > > There are far more ways to multiplex intelligence on a medium than PSK and > > FSK, although both are used in high performance systems. > > > > You are 100% correct... I may very well a few decimal places off... The > > mathematical models show that 100 Mbps should be possible in as little as 10 > > KHz. > > The last time someone made such fantastic claims, they weren't > correctly measuring bandwidth. > > Perhaps you'd like to share independently-verifiable references > to your "mathematical models"? > > Dana Article: 52409 of rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc From: "Hank Oredson" References: <1116361519.813909.326290@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9cadnZ5Xf5xbdRffRVn-ow@comcast.com> <6sudnRhg451OdQXfRVn-gQ@comcast.com> <5Nsme.22755$J12.7291@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Amazing Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:29:58 GMT Which program is doing this research? I don't find anything on the ACT web site that is even close. -- ... Hank http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli "Marty Albert" wrote in message news:5Nsme.22755$J12.7291@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >I would love to as soon as the university approves the release... > > In the meantime, it is all proprietary and property of the university. > > Take Care & 73 > -- > From The Desk Of > Marty Albert, KC6UFM > > > "Dana H. Myers" wrote in message > news:6sudnRhg451OdQXfRVn-gQ@comcast.com... >> Marty Albert wrote: >> > TDM = Time Domain Multiplexing >> > >> > WDM = Wide Dimensional Multiplexing >> > >> > SDM = Statistical Domain Multiplexing. >> > >> > TDM and, to a limited degree, WDM have been around and used for several >> > decades in high performance networking. SDM is relatively new, about 5 >> > years. >> > >> > There are far more ways to multiplex intelligence on a medium than PSK > and >> > FSK, although both are used in high performance systems. >> > >> > You are 100% correct... I may very well a few decimal places off... The >> > mathematical models show that 100 Mbps should be possible in as little > as 10 >> > KHz. >> >> The last time someone made such fantastic claims, they weren't >> correctly measuring bandwidth. >> >> Perhaps you'd like to share independently-verifiable references >> to your "mathematical models"? >> >> Dana > > Article: 52410 of rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc From: "Marty Albert" References: <1116361519.813909.326290@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9cadnZ5Xf5xbdRffRVn-ow@comcast.com> <6sudnRhg451OdQXfRVn-gQ@comcast.com> <5Nsme.22755$J12.7291@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Amazing Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 01:27:20 GMT It is joint project between ACT, NPCEO, and NU. When have you seen a private university system publish their research projects on a web site? Take Care & 73 -- >From The Desk Of Marty Albert, KC6UFM "Hank Oredson" wrote in message news:a8tme.2178$s64.637@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Which program is doing this research? > I don't find anything on the ACT web site that is even close. > > -- > > ... Hank > > http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson > http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli > "Marty Albert" wrote in message > news:5Nsme.22755$J12.7291@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > >I would love to as soon as the university approves the release... > > > > In the meantime, it is all proprietary and property of the university. > > > > Take Care & 73 > > -- > > From The Desk Of > > Marty Albert, KC6UFM > > > > > > "Dana H. Myers" wrote in message > > news:6sudnRhg451OdQXfRVn-gQ@comcast.com... > >> Marty Albert wrote: > >> > TDM = Time Domain Multiplexing > >> > > >> > WDM = Wide Dimensional Multiplexing > >> > > >> > SDM = Statistical Domain Multiplexing. > >> > > >> > TDM and, to a limited degree, WDM have been around and used for several > >> > decades in high performance networking. SDM is relatively new, about 5 > >> > years. > >> > > >> > There are far more ways to multiplex intelligence on a medium than PSK > > and > >> > FSK, although both are used in high performance systems. > >> > > >> > You are 100% correct... I may very well a few decimal places off... The > >> > mathematical models show that 100 Mbps should be possible in as little > > as 10 > >> > KHz. > >> > >> The last time someone made such fantastic claims, they weren't > >> correctly measuring bandwidth. > >> > >> Perhaps you'd like to share independently-verifiable references > >> to your "mathematical models"? > >> > >> Dana > > > > > > Article: 52411 of rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc From: "Hank Oredson" References: <1116361519.813909.326290@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9cadnZ5Xf5xbdRffRVn-ow@comcast.com> <6sudnRhg451OdQXfRVn-gQ@comcast.com> <5Nsme.22755$J12.7291@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Amazing Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 02:47:17 GMT Most of them at least put the projects and p. investigators, etc. It's called "advertising" ;-) But what the heck, maybe something totally amazing that will blow away all current theories of the transfer of information across a channel will come from ACT. Won't hold my breath. "Exceptional claims require exceptional proof." So far this is an unfounded rumor. Gotta run, 6M is open again. -- ... Hank http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli "Marty Albert" wrote in message news:YZtme.214$wy1.86@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > It is joint project between ACT, NPCEO, and NU. > > When have you seen a private university system publish their research > projects on a web site? > > Take Care & 73 > > -- > From The Desk Of > Marty Albert, KC6UFM > > > > > "Hank Oredson" wrote in message > news:a8tme.2178$s64.637@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> Which program is doing this research? >> I don't find anything on the ACT web site that is even close. >> >> -- >> >> ... Hank >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson >> http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli >> "Marty Albert" wrote in message >> news:5Nsme.22755$J12.7291@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> >I would love to as soon as the university approves the release... >> > >> > In the meantime, it is all proprietary and property of the university. >> > >> > Take Care & 73 >> > -- >> > From The Desk Of >> > Marty Albert, KC6UFM >> > >> > >> > "Dana H. Myers" wrote in message >> > news:6sudnRhg451OdQXfRVn-gQ@comcast.com... >> >> Marty Albert wrote: >> >> > TDM = Time Domain Multiplexing >> >> > >> >> > WDM = Wide Dimensional Multiplexing >> >> > >> >> > SDM = Statistical Domain Multiplexing. >> >> > >> >> > TDM and, to a limited degree, WDM have been around and used for > several >> >> > decades in high performance networking. SDM is relatively new, about > 5 >> >> > years. >> >> > >> >> > There are far more ways to multiplex intelligence on a medium than > PSK >> > and >> >> > FSK, although both are used in high performance systems. >> >> > >> >> > You are 100% correct... I may very well a few decimal places off... > The >> >> > mathematical models show that 100 Mbps should be possible in as > little >> > as 10 >> >> > KHz. >> >> >> >> The last time someone made such fantastic claims, they weren't >> >> correctly measuring bandwidth. >> >> >> >> Perhaps you'd like to share independently-verifiable references >> >> to your "mathematical models"? >> >> >> >> Dana >> > >> > >> >> > > Article: 52413 of rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc From: "Hank Oredson" References: <1116361519.813909.326290@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9cadnZ5Xf5xbdRffRVn-ow@comcast.com> <6sudnRhg451OdQXfRVn-gQ@comcast.com> <5Nsme.22755$J12.7291@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> <4RHme.304$IE7.163@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Amazing Message-ID: <7gJme.2631$s64.936@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 18:50:43 GMT "Marty Albert" wrote in message news:4RHme.304$IE7.163@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > You are right that "Exceptional claims require exceptional proof." > > You are also right that at this time, due to contracts with the private > side > investors, the project details can not be made public. After all, when a > group of companies take a look at a research project grant proposal and > decide to give a consortium of schools several million $ to do the > research, > they are not doing that because they are the proverbial "Good Corporate > Citizens"... They want to make money on the deal. More precisely, they > EXPECT to make money on the deal. Yeah, right. > I don't think (I hope) that the investors will boil me in oil for saying > that Sunday, some of the grad students were working in the Faraday lab and > reached a 5 second burst of 125 Mbps over a 30 meter run in the 10 GHz > band > with a 3 db bandwidth of 145 KHz. This has not been verified or replicated > as of yet by another team. Also note that the signal is very, well, messy, > with an unfiltered 65 db bandwidth closer to 145 MHz. However, they used a > fairly sharp band-pass filter when they measured their throughput... At > least according to the report that was sent to me last night. Imagine my surprise at the 145 MHz bandwidth ... Is someone confusing bits, bauds and symbols? You "forgot" to mention the S/N ratio, that is ... um ... "important". > Again, referring back to the original post in this thread, the thing that > I > find amazing and, based on private E-Mail I have received from a number of > lurkers, is the continuing lack of interest in digital modes that is being > perpetuated by narrow lines of thought and an unwillingness to "contribute > to the state of the radio art" in communications systems. Yeah, right ... "Proof by private communication." > There is an old saying among physicists that "If a distinguished but > elderly > physicist tells you that something is possible, you can safely bet that it > is possible... If that same physicist tells you that something in not > possible, you can safely bet that it is possible." I am as guilty of that > as Let me see, have I said it is "not possible"? > anyone else... When I first read of string theory, I dismissed the concept > less than 100 pages into the thesis. After beating myself up a bit, I went > back, read the entire book plus some additional articles and came to the > conclusion that it is at least as correct as relativity and quantum > mechanics and, actually, fits most observations better than it's older > cousins. Again, imagine my surprise. Does this communication mechanism use strings perhaps? Entanglement? FTL propagation? > In closing, one final quote for you... > > "Man often becomes what he believes himself to be. If I keep on saying to > myself that I cannot do a certain thing, it is possible that I may end by > really becoming incapable of doing it. On the contrary, if I have the > belief > that I can do it, I shall surely acquire the capacity to do it even if I > may > not have it at the beginning." Another saying that does not apply. > I shall leave it to the intrepid to interpret and/or find the author of > the > quote. I wish to purchase some of these devices that beat Shannon. The fact that the "research" is all secret, with no hint given about how Shannon and Thermodymics are being bypassed, smells of either "scam" or "incompetence". The "messy signal" comment sounds more like a combination of both. "Once we clean up the signal, then we will get the full data rate in only 145 Khz." There is a long history of such claims, and, like perpetual motion, eventually the error in the experiment (or the scam) is discovered. Instead of talking about the science, you attack the person questioning your outlandish claims, and continue to babble about how much money will be made once the secret experiments are finished. It's a classic ... Why not discuss the science instead? Perhaps along the lines of "We have discovered a new coding scheme that provides a high bit rate with a low symbol rate through a narrow and noisy channel." Then we could discuss how this new and unique use of Hadamard transforms will revolutionize cell phones. Or not. -- ... Hank http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli