Article: 317649 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron Lawrence KC4YOY" Subject: another Carolina made radio Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:04:03 GMT Thanks to Michael Brian we have a new addition to our Carolina Radio page, http://cc_awa.homestead.com/CarolinaRadio.html Mike sent in photos of his Etheredge radio made in Spartanburg SC in about 1925. It's a fairly common Neutrodyne circuit, what makes it special is that name tag that says it's a "Carolina Radio". Check it out if you're interested. Does anyone else out there have any thing radio that was made in the Carolinas? Ron Article: 317650 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" Subject: Wanted: R-390 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:19:57 -0400 I'm looking for a reasonably priced R-390 within driving distance of northern CT. Anyone have one living unwanted in a cellar or garage that needs a home? I'd consider something further away, but shipping costs/damage scares me. Pete Article: 317651 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <1119637551.007426.187540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What Every Fashionable Collector Is Wearing This Summer Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:29:07 -0500 Message-ID: <42bca54e$0$32194$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> I've seen it. I pass. " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:jtZue.7942$go.2397@fed1read05... > > "Mike Koste" wrote in message > news:1119637551.007426.187540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> And to complete your ensemble, how about a pair of madras shorts, a >> pocket protector, black socks and sandals. >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38034&item=6541789970&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW >> >> Mike Koste >> Gobs of Knobs >> Ambler, PA >> > > Paggggginnnggggggg Billlyyyyyy MorrrrrISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! > > Article: 317652 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Benjamaniac" Subject: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:55:29 -0600 Message-ID: We had a lightning stom here last week and the transformer on the pole outside our house took a direct hit. The only thing that took any damage was my LPAM radio station. It fried the 8 month old computer that I run the station with and the transmitter. Looks like I've gotta redo the whole ball of wax...damn. I have a spare computer, but it might take me a while to figure out what to do about the transmitter. It was an AMT3000. I might end up buying another kit and building another one. That is one good transmitter...as long as lightning doesn't get it. Ben Article: 317653 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:33:18 -0500 Message-ID: <42bcb459$0$32194$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> My condolences. "Benjamaniac" wrote in message news:d9ia22$ah3r$1@news3.infoave.net... > We had a lightning stom here last week and the transformer on the > pole outside our house took a direct hit. The only thing that took any > damage was my LPAM radio station. It fried the 8 month old computer that I > run the station with and the transmitter. Looks like I've gotta redo the > whole ball of wax...damn. I have a spare computer, but it might take me a > while to figure out what to do about the transmitter. It was an AMT3000. I > might end up buying another kit and building another one. That is one good > transmitter...as long as lightning doesn't get it. > Ben > Article: 317654 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:36:35 -0400 "Benjamaniac" wrote in message news:d9ia22$ah3r$1@news3.infoave.net... > We had a lightning stom here last week and the transformer on the > pole outside our house took a direct hit. The only thing that took any > damage was my LPAM radio station. It fried the 8 month old computer that I > run the station with and the transmitter. Looks like I've gotta redo the > whole ball of wax...damn. I have a spare computer, but it might take me a > while to figure out what to do about the transmitter. It was an AMT3000. I > might end up buying another kit and building another one. That is one good > transmitter...as long as lightning doesn't get it. > Ben > Fix it. Most likely power supply part, output RF transistor, or audio input chip. What are the symptoms? I'm sure Phil will help you with repair parts. It can't be that bad, compared to the cost of a new one!! Honest. Pete Article: 317655 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Wanted: R-390 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:39:00 -0400 " Uncle Peter" wrote in message For the hundreds of responders itching to contact me: Remove the NO SPAM stuff to respond, or to my other email acct. RadioConnection (AT) Juno.com Article: 317656 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" Subject: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:46:36 -0400 Any one have a source for the 300 Ohm(?) "ladder type " antenna wire used on the wave magnet? TIA, Tom Article: 317657 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: norml Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: References: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:55:30 GMT I think the big twin lead used on the Wave Magnet is more like 50 or 75 ohms. Hams sometimes use it for transmitting as well as receiving. Check ham radio dealers. (If they have anything it is likely to be brown rather than the Zenith red, I think.) Norm Lehfeldt "Tom Biasi" wrotf: >Any one have a source for the 300 Ohm(?) "ladder type " antenna wire used on >the wave magnet? >TIA, >Tom > Article: 317658 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 02:01:15 GMT If you can't find it in spools, you can use the dipoles they sell for $4.00 or so at the Shack, if it's not too long a length you need. I recall seeing some not long ago. "Tom Biasi" wrote in message news:YH2ve.5830$UG3.2447@fe11.lga... | Any one have a source for the 300 Ohm(?) "ladder type " antenna wire used on | the wave magnet? | TIA, | Tom | | Article: 317659 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:11:17 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm References: Message-ID: norml wrote: > I think the big twin lead used on the Wave Magnet is more like 50 or 75 > ohms. Hams sometimes use it for transmitting as well as receiving. Check > ham radio dealers. (If they have anything it is likely to be brown rather > than the Zenith red, I think.) > > Norm Lehfeldt \ Check http://thewireman.com/products.html and see what he might have that could work. If its the same physical size its going to be darn close to the same impedance. -Bill Article: 317660 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" Subject: Is this console worth the price? Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:21:58 -0500 Message-ID: <42bcbf31$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Hi all So I dropped in at a local antique mall today. Usually prices are too high, but I spotted an item of interest against a wall. It was a Silvertone 4587A. 10 tubes (rf stage, 6L7 mixer, PP 6N6 output) and had the big round gold dial - but this one was the mirror dial. Pretty cool looking. No eye tube, it used flash tuning. It was complete, and the controls all did the right things. Now here's the problem. Some ninny slathered the thing with nasty streaky brown paint, and replaced the grille cloth with a scary red-and-blue striped piece of material. Asking price was (I thought too high, but I dunno) $129. Not negotiable IIRC, unless the particular dealer happens to agree to a discount. Anybody out there have an opinion on whether that's a fair price, or not worth it? Thanks muchly Regards, Paul Article: 317661 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: <5i3ve.1084$S17.180100@monger.newsread.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 02:27:13 GMT Apparently not the kind you want... "Steven Dinius" wrote in message news:LV2ve.1082$S17.179081@monger.newsread.com... | If you can't find it in spools, you can use the dipoles they sell for $4.00 | or so at the Shack, if it's not too long a length you need. I recall seeing | some not long ago. | | "Tom Biasi" wrote in message | news:YH2ve.5830$UG3.2447@fe11.lga... | | Any one have a source for the 300 Ohm(?) "ladder type " antenna wire used | on | | the wave magnet? | | TIA, | | Tom | | | | | Article: 317662 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "benjamaniac" Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:57:39 -0600 Message-ID: References: Phil, Thanks for the offer of help...I sure appreciate it. It'll probably be next week before I can get to it, but I'll let you know when I do. I can't wait too long though...folks are calling me wanting to hear their OTR again :)) Ben "Phil B" wrote in message news:zZOdnRasc9mfWCHfRVn-gA@comcast.com... > A double Arrrrggg !!! Arrrrggg !!! from here. I had the same thing > happen two weeks ago. The power line out front got struck. The fuse at > the top of the pole out front was blown to smithereens. Pieces of it > were scattered around the yard. Power was out for 14 hours before they > got around to our little problem. I lost one garage door opener (two > relays blown), my cable modem, my Petsafe radio dog fence box (PC traces > vaporized, amplifier ICs shorted, wall transformer blown right out of > the socket), and an Intermatic timing motor. Fortunately I unplugged the > TVs and computers. We heard arcing in the AC outlets all over the house. > Guess its time to take a serious look at one of those whole house surge > protectors people here have talked about in the past. > > Ben, the condition of your AMT3000 probably depends on whether the surge > came in through the power line or the antenna. If power side, check the > AC adapter, bridge rectifier diodes, pc traces in power supply area, and > the two voltage regulators. If antenna side, check the transistors, > choke L8, and the pc traces around the RF output area. Diodes and > transistors usually short to zero ohms when fried. Sometimes open if > really fried. Email me. I can help you diagnose it and supply > replacement parts. > > Phil B > > > " Uncle Peter" wrote in message > news:Dy2ve.7999$go.3486@fed1read05... > > > > "Benjamaniac" wrote in message > > news:d9ia22$ah3r$1@news3.infoave.net... > > > We had a lightning stom here last week and the transformer on > the > > > pole outside our house took a direct hit. The only thing that took > any > > > damage was my LPAM radio station. It fried the 8 month old computer > that I > > > run the station with and the transmitter. Looks like I've gotta redo > the > > > whole ball of wax...damn. I have a spare computer, but it might take > me a > > > while to figure out what to do about the transmitter. It was an > AMT3000. I > > > might end up buying another kit and building another one. That is > one good > > > transmitter...as long as lightning doesn't get it. > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > Fix it. Most likely power supply part, output RF transistor, or audio > input > > chip. What are the symptoms? I'm sure Phil will help you with repair > > parts. It can't be that bad, compared to the cost of a new one!! > > Honest. > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Article: 317663 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: antiqueradiolover@broadcastband.com Subject: Re: Please help identify yard sell table top radio References: <1119581121.00c26baecf2ff147a19abffa53836034@teranews> <1119620065.269323.52660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1119642212.994096de64b94e19c8e59f71b5ab91f8@teranews> Message-ID: <1119668447.b67f696afb557b2182341a0d8e773a76@teranews> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:59:40 -0400 Wagner Model 204ATE This radio has 4 tubes 6SA7 6S?? 5Y4 6F6 A picture of this radio has been posted at alt.binaries.pictures.radio Thanks Article: 317664 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: Subject: Re: Emerson 260S Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:21:09 GMT "HiTech RedNeck" wrote in message news:LHvue.3057$Y75.1447@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... > I have gotten an old wooden cabinet Emerson AM/Shortwave radio that has the > same tube complement -- 6A7, 6D6, 6Q7, 25L6, 25Z5 -- as the year-1938 260S > shown on this French language page: Found the model number on the back. It's an AL168. Nostalgia Air has it. This puppy is even earlier than the 260S; the Riders says 1937. RedNeck Article: 317665 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Subject: Re: They aren't all Black Beauties Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:59:43 GMT You are using a type of capacitor in a descriptive manner that implies ALL paper caps have a certain quality. It works in auto commercials, it sounds presumptive here. "truegridtz" wrote in message news:42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org... | | | > | > Ummm... I'm an old-timer, been working in and on electronic equipment | since | > the mid 50s. I've worked on just about everything from the ancient tubed | > radios, TVs, tape recorders, studio equipment, lab-grade test equipment, | and | > more other stuff than I can easily remember. So you'll have to excuse me | > when I ask stupid questions like: | > What is a DENSE PAPER SOUND?? | | Well, this is a long reply and it doesn't really get to the point, but it | might help, a little. | | DENSE PAPER SOUND? | | Simply a spontaneous descriptive phrase indicating a capacitor that has the | paper sound. There is a lot of paper in it. This type of sound was about | all that was around in decades past. The radio in the living room. The amp | in the B&W T.V. brought you Jack Benny through paper caps. They have the | traditional historic sound. | | Also, in a guitar amp it makes playing certain types of leads much easier. | The guitar amps of the 50s and 60s had paper caps and they were what they | bands played through when they wrote their music. | | > How would I recognize it if I heard it? | | You personally may not be able to hear the difference in capacitors. You | may have hearing damaged from shooting shotguns. Mabey you are tone deaf. | I don't know what type of interests you have in life. When a person decides | that something is bullshit then they are inclined to find reasons to mock | it. | | Many people who put financial gain before quality of life think that the | people who want to control the trashing of planet Earth are just "damned | liberals." Once a person pidgeonholes an issue they won't listen. | | Many think that certain pursuits in audio are the nonsense of audiophools. | If they are predisposed to this perception then they will attempt to prove | themselves right. | | Some people like transistors, some tubes. Some like paper capacitors. | | Some people don't care about what the spec sheet says. They want the sound | that they like. BB caps have a lot of paper and they are one of the few | caps left around today that have the paper sound of decades past. It may be | technically distorted, but it is probably as historically correct as can be | had today. | | | > Is it real or imagined? | | It isn't imagined. | | > Why is it desirable? | | Why do some people want one type of car over another? Cuz that is what they | want. | | | > What characteristic of the "BB" capacitors produce this sound, and how | does | > it do it? | | Caps have internal stresses caused by the fluctuating charge on the plates: | replulsion and attraction.. The dielectric acts like a suspension system. | The plates move a little and the waveform is changed slightely. This is | what I suspect gives different dielectrics their characteristic sound. The | actual dissipation factor etc. may be only academic rot for the most part. | (electrolytics excluded) How tightly the cap is wound probably is a major | factor. | > | > I guess that you can tell that I'm not particularly impressed by the guys | > who think nothing of paying upwards of $100 each for "acoustically | > transparent" capacitors and then plug them into circuits that produce 3% | or | > more THD. | | I'm sure they aren't trying to impress you. They are after a certain sound. | I'm sure many of them are simply following the guitar collector herd. There | is a website that sells vintage guitar potentiometers for far over $100, for | a simple CTS 250K pot. | | I don't pursue it myself to that degree, but when I work on a piece of | vintage sound equipment putting paper caps in it gives it a unique sound. I | guess you either hear it or you don't. | | Possibly you can relate to this, you may be too old. Carlos Santana was on | live TV a couple years ago trying to play what he wrote in the late 60s. He | couldn't play it through the modern circuitry. He really messed it up. I | have little doubt that if he had been playing through his old equipment he | would have done just fine. He didn't have the paper caps. He couldn't get | the right distortion out of his amps. This is why guitar players want the | paper. It is what works on the old type of guitar lead. The sonic | characteristic of paper is what was predominate for decades up until about | 1970. | | It is a very smooth and cushioned sound if paper and oil caps are used in | audio amps. Different microphones and speakers have different sounds. | Why not different capacitors? | | Take your favorite piece of tube audio equipment and find another one. | Build one with mylar and the other with Sprague Vitamin-Q then you would | probably hear an obvious difference. (assuming your hearing isn't impaired | and assuming that you aren't trying to not hear it). | | I have spoken to may people in my life that can't hear any difference in | anything. It just makes noise and they don't care. What do they do with | the aural part of their brain? I can't imagine. How can anyone be tone | deaf. I can't relate to that. | | I don't use black beauties, I don't trust them. I just happen to have some | sitting here. I thought I had thrown them away, but I found them early this | month. I use Arco paper/mylar radials. They don't leak. | | Hope this ansers your question to some degree, Dave. | | I built a Heath W-2 with RN65D metal film resistors. It doesn't sound good. | It has a metallic sound. Why I don't know. More than one person has said | that tubes don't like metal film resistors. When I find a second W-2 I will | build it with carbon. Far more mysterious than capacitors. Mark | > | > Cheers!! | > -- | > Dave M | > MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just subsitute the appropriate characters | in | > the address) | > | > Never take a laxative and a sleeping pill at the same time!! | > | > | | Article: 317666 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119581121.00c26baecf2ff147a19abffa53836034@teranews> <1119620065.269323.52660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1119642212.994096de64b94e19c8e59f71b5ab91f8@teranews> <1119668447.b67f696afb557b2182341a0d8e773a76@teranews> Subject: Re: Please help identify yard sell table top radio Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:00:26 GMT wrote in message news:1119668447.b67f696afb557b2182341a0d8e773a76@teranews... | Wagner Model 204ATE | | This radio has 4 tubes | 6SA7 | 6S?? A guess would be 6SN7 | 5Y4 | 6F6 | | A picture of this radio has been posted at alt.binaries.pictures.radio | | Thanks Article: 317667 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119668107.7d96748d6744fb2a9c4050f82b94baf5@teranews> Subject: Re: Please help identify yard sell table top radio - wagnerradio.gif (0/3) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:08:09 GMT Use any photo program to saave this file as a Jpeg and when prompted, reduce the quality setting fairly low. High quality is not necessary for most groups, and you can compress them a lot without hurting details vey much. Also larger file take too long for dialup customers. Another hint: go into your browsers setting and uncheck the setting that breaks up files over XX kb, ending combine-and-decode multipart posts. wrote in message news:1119668107.7d96748d6744fb2a9c4050f82b94baf5@teranews... | Wagner Model 204ATE | | This radio has 4 tubes | 6SA7 | 6S?? | 5Y4 | 6F6 | | | The wood cabinet has the picture of soldier painted on the front | between the tuner dial and the speaker. | | My brother picked up this antique radio at a yard sell and presented | to me for my birthday. | | I made a search on yahoo, google and altavista with no luck. | | Does anyone have any info on this radio? | | Any help would be greatly appreciated. | | Thanks Article: 317668 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> Subject: Re: They aren't all Black Beauties Message-ID: <8Q4ve.1089$S17.181304@monger.newsread.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:11:48 GMT I don't care one way or the other, heard it before : ) "Phil B" wrote in message news:67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com... | Yikes. Here we go again. You are pushing science aside in favor of | subjective judgments and the occult. This forum is populated by a lot of | sensible, down to earth people. You have likely started another flame | war on this subject, unless everyone is sensible enough to let this | pass. There are many, many reasons why vintage radios and amps don't | sound like the new ones. Non-defective paper caps and film resistors are | not likely to be significant contributors. | | Phil B | | "truegridtz" wrote in message | news:42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org... | > | > | > > | > > Ummm... I'm an old-timer, been working in and on electronic | equipment | > since | > > the mid 50s. I've worked on just about everything from the ancient | tubed | > > radios, TVs, tape recorders, studio equipment, lab-grade test | equipment, | > and | > > more other stuff than I can easily remember. So you'll have to | excuse me | > > when I ask stupid questions like: | > > What is a DENSE PAPER SOUND?? | > | > Well, this is a long reply and it doesn't really get to the point, but | it | > might help, a little. | > | > DENSE PAPER SOUND? | > | > Simply a spontaneous descriptive phrase indicating a capacitor that | has the | > paper sound. There is a lot of paper in it. This type of sound was | about | > all that was around in decades past. The radio in the living room. | The amp | > in the B&W T.V. brought you Jack Benny through paper caps. They have | the | > traditional historic sound. | > | > Also, in a guitar amp it makes playing certain types of leads much | easier. | > The guitar amps of the 50s and 60s had paper caps and they were what | they | > bands played through when they wrote their music. | > | > > How would I recognize it if I heard it? | > | > You personally may not be able to hear the difference in capacitors. | You | > may have hearing damaged from shooting shotguns. Mabey you are tone | deaf. | > I don't know what type of interests you have in life. When a person | decides | > that something is bullshit then they are inclined to find reasons to | mock | > it. | > | > Many people who put financial gain before quality of life think that | the | > people who want to control the trashing of planet Earth are just | "damned | > liberals." Once a person pidgeonholes an issue they won't listen. | > | > Many think that certain pursuits in audio are the nonsense of | audiophools. | > If they are predisposed to this perception then they will attempt to | prove | > themselves right. | > | > Some people like transistors, some tubes. Some like paper capacitors. | > | > Some people don't care about what the spec sheet says. They want the | sound | > that they like. BB caps have a lot of paper and they are one of the | few | > caps left around today that have the paper sound of decades past. It | may be | > technically distorted, but it is probably as historically correct as | can be | > had today. | > | > | > > Is it real or imagined? | > | > It isn't imagined. | > | > > Why is it desirable? | > | > Why do some people want one type of car over another? Cuz that is | what they | > want. | > | > | > > What characteristic of the "BB" capacitors produce this sound, and | how | > does | > > it do it? | > | > Caps have internal stresses caused by the fluctuating charge on the | plates: | > replulsion and attraction.. The dielectric acts like a suspension | system. | > The plates move a little and the waveform is changed slightely. This | is | > what I suspect gives different dielectrics their characteristic sound. | The | > actual dissipation factor etc. may be only academic rot for the most | part. | > (electrolytics excluded) How tightly the cap is wound probably is a | major | > factor. | > > | > > I guess that you can tell that I'm not particularly impressed by the | guys | > > who think nothing of paying upwards of $100 each for "acoustically | > > transparent" capacitors and then plug them into circuits that | produce 3% | > or | > > more THD. | > | > I'm sure they aren't trying to impress you. They are after a certain | sound. | > I'm sure many of them are simply following the guitar collector herd. | There | > is a website that sells vintage guitar potentiometers for far over | $100, for | > a simple CTS 250K pot. | > | > I don't pursue it myself to that degree, but when I work on a piece | of | > vintage sound equipment putting paper caps in it gives it a unique | sound. I | > guess you either hear it or you don't. | > | > Possibly you can relate to this, you may be too old. Carlos Santana | was on | > live TV a couple years ago trying to play what he wrote in the late | 60s. He | > couldn't play it through the modern circuitry. He really messed it | up. I | > have little doubt that if he had been playing through his old | equipment he | > would have done just fine. He didn't have the paper caps. He | couldn't get | > the right distortion out of his amps. This is why guitar players want | the | > paper. It is what works on the old type of guitar lead. The sonic | > characteristic of paper is what was predominate for decades up until | about | > 1970. | > | > It is a very smooth and cushioned sound if paper and oil caps are used | in | > audio amps. Different microphones and speakers have different | sounds. | > Why not different capacitors? | > | > Take your favorite piece of tube audio equipment and find another | one. | > Build one with mylar and the other with Sprague Vitamin-Q then you | would | > probably hear an obvious difference. (assuming your hearing isn't | impaired | > and assuming that you aren't trying to not hear it). | > | > I have spoken to may people in my life that can't hear any difference | in | > anything. It just makes noise and they don't care. What do they do | with | > the aural part of their brain? I can't imagine. How can anyone be | tone | > deaf. I can't relate to that. | > | > I don't use black beauties, I don't trust them. I just happen to have | some | > sitting here. I thought I had thrown them away, but I found them | early this | > month. I use Arco paper/mylar radials. They don't leak. | > | > Hope this ansers your question to some degree, Dave. | > | > I built a Heath W-2 with RN65D metal film resistors. It doesn't sound | good. | > It has a metallic sound. Why I don't know. More than one person has | said | > that tubes don't like metal film resistors. When I find a second W-2 | I will | > build it with carbon. Far more mysterious than capacitors. Mark | > > | > > Cheers!! | > > -- | > > Dave M | > > MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just subsitute the appropriate | characters | > in | > > the address) | > > | > > Never take a laxative and a sleeping pill at the same time!! | > > | > > | > | > | | Article: 317669 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Please help identify yard sell table top radio Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:38:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1119581121.00c26baecf2ff147a19abffa53836034@teranews> <1119620065.269323.52660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1119642212.994096de64b94e19c8e59f71b5ab91f8@teranews> <1119668447.b67f696afb557b2182341a0d8e773a76@teranews> antiqueradiolover@broadcastband.com wrote: > Wagner Model 204ATE > > This radio has 4 tubes > 6SA7 > 6S?? > 5Y4 > 6F6 > > A picture of this radio has been posted at alt.binaries.pictures.radio http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/beitman/abpr/newfiles/wagnerradio.gif I know I've seen this set before with a different name, but I can't quite put mt finger on it...... -Scott Article: 317670 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:05:24 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: They aren't all Black Beauties References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> Message-ID: Phil B wrote: > Yikes. Here we go again. You are pushing science aside in favor of > subjective judgments and the occult. This forum is populated by a lot of > sensible, down to earth people. You have likely started another flame > war on this subject, unless everyone is sensible enough to let this > pass. There are many, many reasons why vintage radios and amps don't > sound like the new ones. Non-defective paper caps and film resistors are > not likely to be significant contributors. > > Phil B I'm with you, Phil. Things have been kinda slow and thats one of the better pieces of troll-bait we've had here lately. It pegged my Troll-O-Meter about 50 lines into the tome. I was tempted to reply to the issues but I realized I'd be typing for hours to deal with each of the allegations and "mysteries". And for what? "truegridtz" if you're happy with your hobby then I'm happy for you. There's no right or wrong here (well, there is but I'm trying to take the High Road and to be friendly). Unfortunately, this isn't the best venue to be promoting the superiority of paper caps...any paper caps...since we collectively must throw out a mop-bucket full of the nasty buggers daily and can tell you endless horror stories about unreliability, expensive catastrophic failures and distorted audio. I'm glad you like them but in dealing with "electronics people" you won't find many people here that will agree. Electronics People have a reputation for having a tin-ear. To each his own...thats what hobbies and opinions are all about. The converse equivalent would be me going to an audio forum touting the superiority of ceramic disc caps. They'd slice me into small pieces. Enjoy your hobby...like I do mine, Bill M Article: 317671 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Please help identify yard sell table top radio Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:12:04 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1119581121.00c26baecf2ff147a19abffa53836034@teranews> <1119620065.269323.52660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1119642212.994096de64b94e19c8e59f71b5ab91f8@teranews> <1119668447.b67f696afb557b2182341a0d8e773a76@teranews> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:59:40 -0400, antiqueradiolover wrote: > Wagner Model 204ATE > > This radio has 4 tubes > 6SA7 > 6S?? > 5Y4 > 6F6 > > A picture of this radio has been posted at alt.binaries.pictures.radio > > Thanks Check the metal flange around the base of the mystery tube. Some brands have the number stamped into the metal as well as printed on the side. It looks like the radio has 2 IF transformers so that tube may be a 6SF7 or something like that. Your radio actually has 5 tubes; you missed the tuning eye. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 317672 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "truegridtz" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> Subject: message to old farts in general Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:14:39 -0500 Message-ID: <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Why don't you paranoid old buttheads just shut up with the wiseman shit. This is not YOUR newsgroup. ANTIQUES is what it says. Stop entertaining your sick feeble minds with this newsgroup cop routine. Nobody looks up to you. Fixing old radios is not science. Time and time again you stinkers start this shit. It is YOU that is full of subjective crap. You said: ""truegridtz" if you're happy with your hobby then I'm happy for you. There's no right or wrong here (well, there is but I'm trying to take the High Road and to be friendly). Unfortunately, this isn't the best venue to be promoting the superiority of paper caps...any paper caps...since we collectively must throw out a mop-bucket ..." So just what is my hobby? Are you trying to run me off of YOUR newsgroup. Did I say they were superior? I said that they are DIFFERENT and it is understandable that some people want them because of the way they sound. I overhaul antique phonographs. You know Philcos etc. I don't use old paper caps. I throw them all away and use plastic except when I overhaul my own gear and then I use Arco paper/mylar because I like the sound. Is that OK with you? YOU said: "I'm glad you like them but in dealing with "electronics people" you won't find many people here that will agree. Electronics People have a reputation for having a tin-ear." Much more of your self-serving and subjective crap. Many "electronics" people who know far more than you, overhaul vintage amplifiers. See heading "antiques phono". They do not have tin ears. So you are assuming what? Who has appointed you the spokeman for a WORLDWIDE newsgroup. Year after year you old buttheads start persecuting people on this newsgroup. There is a lot that you don't know about most everything, including paper capacitors. Many of them are still perfectly good. Why don't old stinkers just give it a rest. Just shut up and build your damned radios. If you don't like the conversation, just go away. PLEASE, don't snake in with the little polite yet inflammatory comments that your butthead buddies will use to start these entertaining little fights. I have watched this crap for years. JUST STOP IT. Mark Article: 317673 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BD14F6.88E8B60F@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: message to id10ts in general References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:25:49 GMT PLONK! -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317674 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Roger Smith Subject: Re: help with conversion of GPO 332 telephone needed! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:26:40 +0100 Message-ID: <49cqb1t93m11jefp5jeap8tsnuv4jrhtbb@4ax.com> References: <1118794937.398631.92570@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119144465.654216.148310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <86kfb1dd13cos9knq208vdjda3tol9bp6k@4ax.com> <1119642217.522160.209080@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Hi Colm, Glad you've sorted it. Roger On 24 Jun 2005 12:43:37 -0700, "cj001" wrote: >Hi Roger, >Thanks for all your help. You are right, I was using a non Bt wire and >pug but I was using the conversion table on the website. >ie: >Non BT cord BT cord >Black White >Red Green >Green Blue >Yellow Red > >unfortunatly, what I had was >Non BT cord BT cord >green red >yellow blue >black green >red white > >Anyway, I made the adjustments and the phone now works perfectly. >Thanks so much for everything! > >Colm Article: 317675 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42BD14F6.88E8B60F@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: message to id10ts in general Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:47:05 GMT "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:42BD14F6.88E8B60F@earthlink.net... | PLONK! | | -- | Former professional electron wrangler. | | Michael A. Terrell | Central Florida It's 75 or 80 degrees in this corner and muggy...SPLASH sounds better! Article: 317676 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" References: <5i3ve.1084$S17.180100@monger.newsread.com> Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 07:58:16 -0400 "Steven Dinius" wrote in message news:5i3ve.1084$S17.180100@monger.newsread.com... > Apparently not the kind you want... I don't know, I'll have to look at it. Thanks Article: 317677 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 05:05:25 -0700 Message-ID: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> References: A recent APC mailing had a customer gushing over how his APC surge suppressors had 100% protected everything they were connected to when a tree fell on the powerlines, while other items in the house were fried. A $30 surge suppressor is so much cheaper than the equipment it's connected to, it makes sense to put one on all your electronic equipment. Some companies -- such as APC -- offer an equipment warranty. The "catch" is that if the connected equipment is damaged by a strike or surge, the suppressor itself also has to have been damaged. I can kind-of see the logic of that, but it allows the manufacturer a lot of "wiggle room". Article: 317678 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" References: Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:08:11 -0400 > Check http://thewireman.com/products.html and see what he might have that > could work. If its the same physical size its going to be darn close to > the same impedance. > > -Bill It looks like all the ladder types they sell are copper clad steel. Article: 317679 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1119597828.623702.319450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Do gramophones need special records? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:09:38 GMT Is there such a thing as a gramophone that plays 33's? The first 33rpm records were made by RCA in 1931 and were called PT's, short for program transcriptions. One (of many) problem with these was the fact that only a few RCA players could handle them, and I believe all of them were electronic players. I don't know the needle size, but I would assume they're the 3 mil, just like "standard" 78's of the period. Who made the gramophone? The earliest flat ones were Edison, which played 1/4 inch thick records at 80 rpm. These records were vertical cut, so the diaphragm on the needle is horizontal. All the later units played the more practical thinner records at 78 rpm, with horizontal cut, and the players had a vertical diaphragm. In either case, be sure to stock up on needles, as the steel needles on these players didn't last long. It is wise to use a new needle every time you play a record -- and avoid playing the later 1940-s records, as the modulation level was such that they could blow a needle partway through the record. Gemstone needles were indeed made for later 78 players, and they mounted with a thumbscrew just like the Victrolas, but I don't know how they treated the records with the heavy weight of the tonearm. My suggestion would be to stock up on steel needles and don't play your most valuable records on it -- just save a few old foxtrots and Billy Murray records to show off to friends >from time to time. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "HiTech RedNeck" wrote in message news:gE%ue.5898$Y75.4985@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... > > "Malcolm" wrote in message > news:1119597828.623702.319450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >> But I know very little about gramophones. Will I be able to play my >> records on it? I had a look at the sample records in the shop, and they >> were 33rpm recordings, but they seemed rather heavier than a "normal" >> record. Is this important? I don't want to destroy my records. Can >> anybody help me, please? > > A gramophone that can play 33's at normal speed, if it hadn't been > modified > after manufacture to do so, would be quite a rarity and probably worth > cabbaging on to. Are you sure that they say 33 on the label, or are they > just big honkin' 12 inch 78's? > > Still, gramophones are rough on records because of the needle pressure > (and, > they eat up needles quickly as well). There are several firms that now > sell > modern "nostalgic" style radio/phono/CDs that can play 78's, if you can't > find an old electronic player with that speed. Electronic play will be > much > kinder to the old records. > > RedNeck > > Article: 317680 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1119637551.007426.187540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <42bca54e$0$32194$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: What Every Fashionable Collector Is Wearing This Summer Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:12:05 GMT Hey -- it's cheaper than a Sony Walkman! "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:42bca54e$0$32194$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... > I've seen it. I pass. > > > " Uncle Peter" wrote in message > news:jtZue.7942$go.2397@fed1read05... >> >> "Mike Koste" wrote in message >> news:1119637551.007426.187540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >>> And to complete your ensemble, how about a pair of madras shorts, a >>> pocket protector, black socks and sandals. >>> >>> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38034&item=6541789970&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW >>> >>> Mike Koste >>> Gobs of Knobs >>> Ambler, PA >>> >> >> Paggggginnnggggggg Billlyyyyyy MorrrrrISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! >> >> > > Article: 317681 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:29:36 -0500 William Sommerwerck wrote: > Some companies -- such as APC -- offer an equipment warranty. The "catch" is > that if the connected equipment is damaged by a strike or surge, the > suppressor itself also has to have been damaged. I can kind-of see the logic > of that, but it allows the manufacturer a lot of "wiggle room". I've been an APC dealer for 10+ years. I'm not aware of them "wiggling" out of a claim... though I personally have never seen equipment "behind" their that was damaged. I HAVE had their UPSs with surge suppression go up in smoke protecting it's "charges"... The last one was a BackUPS XS 1000. When contacted THEY asked if anyone was hurt (their first question), was anything else damaged, (second question); and was there any damage from the smoke. Their next move was to overnight a replacement - which came with instructions to return the now broken unit in the same box the replacement came in - which had a feed ground pick-up call tag. That's the PAC I know and have represented for a long, long time. best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 317682 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:38:58 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <1090e$42bd5e76$4232bd5c$30838@COQUI.NET> Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote: > out of a claim... though I personally have never seen equipment > "behind" their that was damaged. I HAVE had their UPSs with surge > suppression go up in smoke protecting it's "charges"... My APC "protected" rig lost a power supply last year during a t-storm. No apparent damage to the UPS. (Back UPS SC 350) -Bill Article: 317683 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1119559698.856571.152340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: One More Time Message-ID: <3cdve.12774$eM6.11247@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:43:27 GMT Take a look at your shop right now. Now, try to imagine -- remove the oscilloscope, remove the in-circuit cap tester, inductance tester, VTVM, and just about every piece of test equipment that was made after 1950. Empty your trays of ceramic caps, and replace them with wax-coated paper types. Do away with Sams, and use your Riders. Of course you can't use your computer. Now, with what you have left, put your tools in a big portable toolbox and put this in the trunk of your car, because your first repair order is a house call. This may seem like you're stranded on some desert island, but this is what the serviceman was up against back then. To him, an AM radio was the epitome of technology, and his magic piece of test equipment, the meter, was such that it would load down everything it touched. That, strapped against the high impedances of the radio, made for some real adventures in troubleshooting, for sure. Also bear in mind that components were very pricey. A tube that sold for $7.50 back in the 30's would equate to maybe $200 today, so it wasn't quite so easy to "just sub all the tubes and see what happens." Remember, a radio with 6 tubes and a few coils was a huge household investment at the time, as the parts used in it were not exactly cheap. So with less experience, little room for substitution, and very primitive test equipment, it took a fair amount of skill to be a serviceman. In the 1950's, repair shops were forced to step things up -- aquiring VTVM's and scopes, in order to service television sets. This still seems primitive by today's standards, but the cost at the time was quite an investment. Today we have some very sophisticated test equipment and tools, but look at what we have to deal with in today's technology. We use today's skills to work on yesterday's radios -- for relaxation. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Today we have the combined knowledge, passed around on the internet, of everything that has ever gone wrong "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1119559698.856571.152340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Are we better repair people than in the past? > > Consider that we have no readily available stock of OEM parts, no > designers (or vanishingly few left) to call on, and no Factory to > support us. Not only are we dealing with the normal breakdowns and > failures, but they are compounded by age. > > So, are even the average amongst us generally better than "Joe's Radio > Repairs" was in 1955? Or am I assuming too much? > > Just a question. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > > Sorry for the stutter. Sometimes this computer does not let me tab > down, but sends the message instead. > Article: 317684 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 06:49:12 -0700 Message-ID: <11bqo8dpf1o8910@corp.supernews.com> References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> >> Some companies -- such as APC -- offer an equipment warranty. The "catch" is >> that if the connected equipment is damaged by a strike or surge, the >> suppressor itself also has to have been damaged. I can kind-of see the logic >> of that, but it allows the manufacturer a lot of "wiggle room". > I've been an APC dealer for 10+ years. I'm not aware of them "wiggling" > out of a claim... though I personally have never seen equipment > "behind" theirs that was damaged. I HAVE had their UPSs with surge > suppression go up in smoke protecting its "charges"... The last one > was a BackUPS XS 1000. When contacted THEY asked if anyone was > hurt (their first question *), was anything else damaged, (second question); > and was there any damage from the smoke. Their next move was to > overnight a replacement - which came with instructions to return the now > broken unit in the same box the replacement came in -- which had a FedEx > ground pick-up call tag. > That's the PAC I know and have represented for a long, long time. PAC? Freudidan slip? I'm glad to hear you've had no reason to complain about APC. Neither have I, other than the fact that my first UPS (not the battery, the UPS itself) lasted only about seven years. I bought a second one from them two months ago, and they sent a UPS prepaid return label so I could recycle the older unit. The new one is smaller and lighter and higher-capacity, with an easier-to-change battery -- and made in China. I hope it lasts at least a decade. By the way, if you're using Windows 2000 or XP (and possibly others), you don't need the APC PowerChute software. Just connect the USB cable to your computer, and it automaticlly recognizes the UPS and reconfigures the Power Options accordingly. I have a practical question about surge suppressors in general... Suppose a 2500V line falls on your regular line. The varistors would take the brunt of that -- briefly -- but will the main breaker in the suppressor open before it can be welded shut? ("Yes", presumably, or people wouldn't be telling stories about how their suppressor protected their equipment.) * My cynical reaction: "Hope the customer wasn't sliced by shards of flying metal, or burned by battery acid! We could be sued!" Article: 317685 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:04:32 GMT I think by "wiggle room" he didn't mean it in terms of trying to get out of a claim. However I'm sure there are those who, rather than pay a service bill for their broken TV or computer, would make a claim on the surge protector. Any good surge protector worth its salt will destroy itself while protecting what's plugged into it. So as a common sense move, as well as a hedge against fraud, a claim made on a surge protector would include the protector itself, along with the repair bill for the damaged TV set. If the surge protector is fried, the claim appears reasonable. Many years ago I was working at a dealer, and was preparing a computer on the sales floor for delivery. There was a bad storm outside, but I needed to get software installed because it was to be delivered that day. As I was doing this, we got a direct hit of lightning. It jolted me, and the receptionist jumped out of her seat. Then we both smelled something burning -- bad. We checked around the office, everything appeared fine -- except fo rthe smell. We had already unplugged all the copiers and computers; the only thing that was still on the computer I was working on. We shrugged our shoulders and went back to work. I finished setting up the computer, turned it off and unplugged it -- and the surge protector it was plugged into disintegrated. THAT was what made the burning smell! Of course the computer was fine, was delivered, and it served the customer for years. The surge protector? The salesman took it with him, and used it to sell a lot of surge protectors! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message news:7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > William Sommerwerck wrote: > >> Some companies -- such as APC -- offer an equipment warranty. The "catch" >> is >> that if the connected equipment is damaged by a strike or surge, the >> suppressor itself also has to have been damaged. I can kind-of see the >> logic >> of that, but it allows the manufacturer a lot of "wiggle room". > > I've been an APC dealer for 10+ years. I'm not aware of them "wiggling" > out of a claim... though I personally have never seen equipment "behind" > their that was damaged. I HAVE had their UPSs with surge suppression go > up in smoke protecting it's "charges"... The last one was a BackUPS XS > 1000. When contacted THEY asked if anyone was hurt (their first question), > was anything else damaged, (second question); and was there any damage > from the smoke. Their next move was to overnight a replacement - which > came with instructions to return the now broken unit in the same box the > replacement came in - which had a feed ground pick-up call tag. > > That's the PAC I know and have represented for a long, long time. > > best regards... > -- > randy guttery > > A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews > so vital to the United States Silent Service: > http://tendertale.com Article: 317686 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dennis Daly" References: Subject: Re: Unanswered Philco alignment problem Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:07:41 GMT "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:cdgkb1hg2qljc0987fs31qbeoqc8asqpm2@4ax.com... > I ran into a snag aligning the Philco 37-610 console model last week > and I've gone through the alignment procedure 3 times now and can't do > the part below because of unexpected results. Maybe someone can give > me a clue as to what's wrong here. > > Philco alignment instructions: > > Align the RF Circuit. > 7.3 to 22.0 M.C. Did that. But then the instructions say: > > "The adjustment of the antenna compensator on the high frequency range > causes a slight de-tuning of the oscillator circuit. In order to > overcome this de-tuning effect, connect a variable condenser of > approximately 350 mmf., having a good vernier drive, across the > oscillator section of the tuning condenser. Leaving the signal > generator and receiver dials at 18.0 M.C., tune the added condenser so > that the second harmonic of the receiver oscillator will beat against > the signal from the signal generator. The antenna compensator should > then be adjusted to give maximum output...." > > I have a variable condenser and measured 350 mmf within it's range. > When I tried to connect it across the osc. section the sound from the > generator quit with a slight pop as I clipped a jumper lead to the > cap. I can't proceed with the alignment of that section without being > able to hear the signal. > > Tonight, trying again, I found out that not only connecting the lead > to the extra tuning cap caused the signal to quit, but just touching a > disconnected jumper to the osc terminal on the cap caused it to quit. > > How am I supposed to connect another tuning cap to the radio's if I > can't touch anything to the terminal without the signal > disappearing???? > > Touching a wire to the ant. terminal of the cap does the same thing. > .... > Blacksmith > > I'm not gonna get into/ attempt remote diagnosis of the phenomenom you're experiencing, with your hookup, but I will advise that you be sure to use the _vernier_ style var. cap Philco mentions. If attempting to use a direct drive var. cap. from the junk box, you may beat your head against the wall trying to tune to the beat and maintain it. Very sharp tuning with this. Touchy as it is, using the prescribed vernier cap. All this is a moot point if you are presently using a vernier drive cap, but if you aren't..... Good luck with it. Den Article: 317687 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Free MP3's of Old 78's From: Larry W4CSC References: <6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:12:18 -0400 "Don" wrote in news:6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com: > http://www.turtleserviceslimited.org/jukebox.htm > > A variety of music from 78's from 1930 and before. An interesting > selection, free for non-commercial use. > > But why? alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era has thousands.... alt.binaries.sound.radio.oldtime has more shows than you could ever listen to. I'd be real careful posting these records. Someone owns the re-issued copyrights to everything ever recorded. RIAA's Bulldog lawyers think nothing of ruining your life and confiscating your property and money if they can prove it.... Copyrights don't run out, any more. They just keep re-issuing them. Look at the oldest hymn in any church hymnal and see, even those, someone is being PAID to print them. -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Sun Jun 26 22:19:06 EDT 2005 Article: 317688 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: Free MP3's of Old 78's References: <6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:13:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1119708783 66.65.49.245 (Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:13:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:13:03 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317688 In article , Larry W4CSC wrote: > Copyrights don't run out, any more. They just keep re-issuing them. Look > at the oldest hymn in any church hymnal and see, even those, someone is > being PAID to print them. Welcome back Larry. We've missed ya. How's the bag-phone? :) -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 317689 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: How to turn a radio into a time-bomb??? From: Larry W4CSC References: <2d5631c0.0506082158.39fb1c20@posting.google.com> <93842$42a7dbdc$4232bdd4$17897@COQUI.NET> <1118419903.425788.13520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:24:16 -0400 Stephanie Weil wrote in news:slrndajtk6.jsk.stephanie@home3.gordsven.com: > > There's MUSIC on AM???? > > WOW! Where? > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, U.S.A. > > WAZS 980 Khz in Summerville, SC, a suburb of Charleston. It's owned by an insurance man. It was playing spanish disco but last month switched to smooth jazz. With its massive 1KW transmitter to the rusty tower out back, it'll test your receiver sensitivity...(c; The God Squads play music while trying to get you to send them your Jesus money....sometimes between the brainwashing talk shows. -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317690 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ISP provider From: Larry W4CSC References: <1118924261.420244.167780@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:28:56 -0400 "graeme" wrote in news:1118924261.420244.167780@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > But which ISP shall i choose? Unless your cable company is Comcast, which limits usenet to 2gb/month and kicks people off for using the bandwidth they are paying for, cable high speed internet is the best. If you're happy with dialup, please don't try cable or DSL and ruin your life. I couldn't go back to dialup. I'd go crazy!!! -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317691 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: <1119703045.769370.185500@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: you know you have a good one when..... Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:27:05 GMT Your wife may have gotten these things from my wife. Time to make sure I still have all of my radios! ;-) Steve Article: 317692 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Listening to OTR From: Larry W4CSC References: <21153-429B32C3-232@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:36:12 -0400 "Steven Dinius" wrote in news:X1Hme.8216$Cz3.970411@monger.newsread.com: > I just wish I had all those crappy old cassettes I taped from an old > tubed clock radio in the seventies of the old KIDO 63 when they were > close to switching the AOR format to the new FM, Q104. Ahhhh, > Pre-classic Classic Rock! > > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.(your fav genre here) All those songs are posted, thousands per day. I've gone crazy downloading old TV shows from: alt.binaries.multimedia.vintage-tv now. The genius French engineering students have a great player for your PC at: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ It will play anything, which is why they are being targeted by big media for assasination. alt.binaries.movies.divx is where the new movies are posted....when you get bored with TV and MP3 files...(c; Well, back to watching "Car 54, Where Are You?!!"....(c; Now you'll need a TV transmitter that takes input from DiVX or VCD files... -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317693 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Nordmende Globetraveller Pro From: Larry W4CSC References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:54:56 -0400 "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in news:d8fvcn0u2m@news2.newsguy.com: > I have a NordMende Globetraveller III. I have a Globetraveller II. I bought it in Chicago in 1965 from Allied Radio and have owned it ever since. The FM local oscillator transistor failed in it 20 years ago and I replaced it. Other than that, It functions flawlessly for a long time on its D alkalines. I also have the car mount for it under the dash. It plugs into that long connector on the bottom and pushes a pin through a hole which pushes on a switch inside to change the audio amp over to LOUD! Running in the car, it's very loud on the car's speaker (1973 Mercedes 220D, burgundy with creme top I restored in 1996). You simply push the radio into the mount and fold the handle down to lock it in place. A keylock secures it into the mount...unless someone wants to steal it, of course. It's always been one HOT SW receiver, but has no BFO, just broadcast bands. I've carried it all over the world. I used to use it to listen to VOA from Tehran when I lived there. Best $49 I ever spent....(c; I was makin' $68/month as a Navy sailor. That radio was big money! -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317694 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BD729D.EADA8932@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: message to old farts in general References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:05:16 GMT "Dale H. Cook" wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:14:39 -0500, "truegridtz" > wrote: > > >Fixing old radios is not science. > > Plonk. > > Dale H. Cook I'd like to see him try to fix an RCB-2000. On the other hand, I really don't want to see an $80,000 reciever destroyed. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317695 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BD7452.31FC3C64@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Free MP3's of Old 78's References: <6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:12:33 GMT Larry W4CSC wrote: > > But why? alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era has thousands.... > alt.binaries.sound.radio.oldtime has more shows than you could ever listen > to. > > I'd be real careful posting these records. Someone owns the re-issued > copyrights to everything ever recorded. RIAA's Bulldog lawyers think > nothing of ruining your life and confiscating your property and money if > they can prove it.... > > Copyrights don't run out, any more. They just keep re-issuing them. Look > at the oldest hymn in any church hymnal and see, even those, someone is > being PAID to print them. > > -- > Larry Look what the cat dragged in! Welcome back, Larry! -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317696 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BD74A1.D73DD469@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: ISP provider References: <1118924261.420244.167780@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:13:51 GMT Larry W4CSC wrote: > > "graeme" wrote in > news:1118924261.420244.167780@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > But which ISP shall i choose? > > Unless your cable company is Comcast, which limits usenet to 2gb/month and > kicks people off for using the bandwidth they are paying for, cable high > speed internet is the best. > > If you're happy with dialup, please don't try cable or DSL and ruin your > life. I couldn't go back to dialup. I'd go crazy!!! > > -- > Larry Try going from broadband down to dialup, then a full year without any access. :( -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317697 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: cinderela man References: <1118992711.717133.138380@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119223742.269208.101410@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:06:45 -0400 frenchy wrote: > It just looks like another formula dramatization movie to me, take a > true story, jazz it up with a bunch of untrue dramatics, make the > relatively good guy look like a saint, make everybody who needs to be a > bad guy in the movie a bad guy even if they really weren't (Max Baer), > the standard crowds cheering for the guy, making it look like this > story was the #1 event of it's time even if it wasn't, etc etc. Been > there done that. > I heard the talk that Max Baer was played as a heavy that he wasn't. Well that's Hollywood. Then, this wasn't a true 'bio' movie. And since it came on the heel's of 'Million Dollar Baby', the movie public may have been tired of Boxing movies. (Still the 'Rocky' series did well enough....if you can take Stalon). Article: 317698 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jimmie Stewart" Subject: New London 901A Tube Tester Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:16:31 GMT I bought a New London 901A Tube Tester on Ebay last week. It comes with the Installation & Operation Manual 18 Pages, Replaceable Parts List 13 Pages, 3 Pages of Wiring Schematics & the Pamphlets from when it was New. It has No Tube set up chart with it. So if someone has copies of other Data for this tester I be willing to trade copies of above. Jimmie Article: 317699 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:40:20 -0700 Message-ID: <11br2977bjo5j31@corp.supernews.com> References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:Qvdve.11792$VK4.3291@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > I think by "wiggle room" he didn't mean it in terms > of trying to get out of a claim. Yes, I did. > However I'm sure there are those who, rather than pay a service > bill for their broken TV or computer, would make a claim on the > surge protector['s manufacturer]. This is also true. If the protector hasn't been destroyed, how does the manufacturer know the customer isn't lying? Liked your story about the surge protector giving its "last full measure". Article: 317700 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:08:31 GMT Am I dense? Maybe it's just me? I don't understand this one. I get my components from a lot of sources -- sometimes I buy them new, and other times I find "lots" at surplus stores or area swap meets. I recently bought a big set of trays badged "Ohmite Little Devils" full of resistors -- not necessarily Ohmite, but enough resistors to warrant getting them along with the storage trays. Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured them, and sure enough, they are 10k. So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is this some new standard for China or someplace? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 317701 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron Lawrence KC4YOY" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:17:13 GMT > > So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would > be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is > this some new standard for China or someplace? Gary, I found this on 5 band resistor color codes, http://samengstrom.com/elec/resistor/5band.html Ron Article: 317702 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> <11bqo8dpf1o8910@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:20:51 -0500 William Sommerwerck wrote: > PAC? Freudidan slip? I think the spell checker got me on this one, but since I'm not sure - I'll just cop the "Senior Moment" plea and let it go. > By the way, if you're using Windows 2000 or XP (and possibly others), you > don't need the APC PowerChute software. Just connect the USB cable to your > computer, and it automaticlly recognizes the UPS and reconfigures the Power > Options accordingly. While that's true - I still prefer APC's software. When hooked to one of their smarter units - it will tell you current power consumption (in watts); run time remaining (both if and while on battery); the log of UPS "interventions" - the cause (over / under voltage - etc.) and how long the incident, - as well as running tests -- including running on battery long enough to ensure it's capacity is up to specs, etc. > I have a practical question about surge suppressors in general... Suppose a > 2500V line falls on your regular line. The varistors would take the brunt of > that -- briefly -- but will the main breaker in the suppressor open before > it can be welded shut? ("Yes", presumably, or people wouldn't be telling > stories about how their suppressor protected their equipment.) Depends on whether the suppessor in question is a good one - i.e. three stage. First stage: Silicon - very fast, very short lived, and not much "quench" capacity -- however - long enough. Long enough for the 2nd, slower reacting stage which is usually MOVs. These can eat thousands of jewels - and are the heart of most of the inexpensive units you see. Then the third stage - which can also handle thousands of jewels - and last a long time (seconds into minutes) - and that's a gas-tube discharge unit. And yes - those can dissipate long enough for the wires feeding them to melt. best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 317703 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:34:30 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. I > pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 watt > resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. My > first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, 2% > tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured them, and > sure enough, they are 10k. 1% Resistors. Brown Black Black Red Brown 1 0 0 10^2 1% 10K Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317704 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: One More Time References: <1119559698.856571.152340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <3cdve.12774$eM6.11247@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:53:26 -0500 Gary Tayman wrote: > Now, with what you have > left, put your tools in a big portable toolbox and put this in the trunk of > your car, because your first repair order is a house call. Been there, done that. When I went to work at Hillcrest TV (Washington Blvd. Pasadena) in 1969 at least half of most servicing days were house calls - somedays were totally house calls. Service call "stuff": tube caddy (which also had fuses and pilot lamps, a couple of vibrators and a tube sub "pocket book"); and a tool box which held a modest quality VOM (no where near the quality of a Simpson 260); Degaussing coil, mirror with fold up stand (for convergence, etc.), pliers, dikes, soldering iron, solder, a few screw and nut drivers, small roll of hookup wire, roll of electrical tape, tuner cleaner and a bottle of Quietrol (man how I wish I had some more of that!!!!) and assorted hardware and leftovers from no telling how many years before. > This may seem like you're stranded on some desert island, but this is what > the serviceman was up against back then. To him, an AM radio was the > epitome of technology, and his magic piece of test equipment, the meter, was > such that it would load down everything it touched. That, strapped against > the high impedances of the radio, made for some real adventures in > troubleshooting, for sure. Naw. We knew better, and had other ways of going. And remember - most repair jobs then were simple - with electrolytic filters being the "usual" repair beyond a bad tube in radios. Granted- in televisions - flybacks, yokes and other "wound inductors" were common problems in TVs because the technology of the insulation materials, plus the assembly process itself wasn't kind to many of the "wound inductor" products - windings would get nicked, then fail at that point, etc. - so those were more common. Remember - back in the 50's - most stuff was new - as there had been a great "replace that old thing" campaign after WWII to help get the civilian economy back on it's feet. > Also bear in mind that components were very pricey. A tube that sold for > $7.50 back in the 30's would equate to maybe $200 today, so it wasn't quite > so easy to "just sub all the tubes and see what happens." Remember, a radio > with 6 tubes and a few coils was a huge household investment at the time, as > the parts used in it were not exactly cheap. So with less experience, > little room for substitution, and very primitive test equipment, it took a > fair amount of skill to be a serviceman. VERY few tubes were that expensive then - at least not "civilian" tubes. Tubes were 50% off "retail" to the dealer anyway - and look at "typical" prices for your (early/octal) AA5 set of tubes- The miniature AA5 tubes weren't all that expensive either. Yes they were "pricey" compared to a load of bread - but the service man could "sub and put back" if a sub didn't improve things. However - most would replace tubes as a "routine" - since a soon failed filament, etc. would foment bad feelings with the customer- so if the tubes were "getting old" - they were often "refreshed". > In the 1950's, repair shops were forced to step things up -- aquiring > VTVM's and scopes, in order to service television sets. This still seems > primitive by today's standards, but the cost at the time was quite an > investment. Again - to buy a new RCA or such o'scope off the shelf was indeed pricey - BUT there were alternative - such as the famous OS-8 which did a TON of "bench service" after WWII. And there were other options as well. > Today we have some very sophisticated test equipment and tools, > but look at what we have to deal with in today's technology. > We use today's > skills to work on yesterday's radios -- for relaxation. True - but the skill is the same (the technology sure hasn't changed in tube radios). I think the only "advantage" in using modern test equipment on vintage sets is time. It takes a LOT less time to trouble-shoot with sensitive, accurate gear. The one exception would be high performance receivers - but few service men worked on those on the civilian bench anyway - and there aren't that many who "go for the Max" on them even today. Speaking in generalities - I don't think "it's" so much a "skill" thing - electronics is, afterall - electronics. It's an "experience" thing - and when one learns by experience - then one become quite good at that thing (or starves). In that regard - I think yesterday's repair guys were just as "good" as todays. as always - just my .02 best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 317705 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:50:48 GMT Hoo boy, another thing we have to remember. It was bad enough in the old days when Philco got creative with their capacitor dots. Then later, as I recall, Philco got creative with markings of diodes and other components. The Japanese assume you know enough to add a "2S" in front of transistor numbers. You also should know enough never to confuse a choke with a resistor, by never accidentally dropping them in the worng tray. For surface mount, don't even bother, just throw it away and buy a new gizmo. But I ask, what about standards? "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:GAgve.65865$887.8958@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > Gary Tayman wrote: >> Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. >> I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 >> watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. >> My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, >> 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured >> them, and sure enough, they are 10k. > > 1% Resistors. > > Brown Black Black Red Brown > 1 0 0 10^2 1% > > 10K > > Jeff > > -- > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin > "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." > Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317706 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Free MP3's of Old 78's References: <6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:00:54 -0500 Larry W4CSC wrote: > Copyrights don't run out, any more. They just keep re-issuing them. Look > at the oldest hymn in any church hymnal and see, even those, someone is > being PAID to print them. What they are being "paid" for is the hymnal are the rights to THAT arrangement; and/or the copyright of the collection (known in copyright speak as anthology). Many of the "old songs" - the melody (not the arrangement) is in public domain. best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 317707 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:08:16 -0600 Message-ID: References: it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the values on things these days without some stuipid color code. randy "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:YPgve.11897$VK4.8646@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Hoo boy, another thing we have to remember. > > It was bad enough in the old days when Philco got creative with their > capacitor dots. Then later, as I recall, Philco got creative with > markings of diodes and other components. The Japanese assume you know > enough to add a "2S" in front of transistor numbers. You also should know > enough never to confuse a choke with a resistor, by never accidentally > dropping them in the worng tray. For surface mount, don't even bother, > just throw it away and buy a new gizmo. But I ask, what about standards? > > > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > news:GAgve.65865$887.8958@tornado.socal.rr.com... >> >> >> Gary Tayman wrote: >>> Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. >>> I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 >>> watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. >>> My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, >>> 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured >>> them, and sure enough, they are 10k. >> >> 1% Resistors. >> >> Brown Black Black Red Brown >> 1 0 0 10^2 1% >> >> 10K >> >> Jeff >> >> -- >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin >> "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." >> Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" > > Article: 317708 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:09:41 -0400 "norml" wrote in message news:c9epb1p08mj5l3bma18hr91k15t4us4q9o@4ax.com... > I think the big twin lead used on the Wave Magnet is more like 50 or 75 > ohms. Hams sometimes use it for transmitting as well as receiving. Check > ham radio dealers. (If they have anything it is likely to be brown rather > than the Zenith red, I think.) > > Norm Lehfeldt > > I suspect the idea behind the ladder line used in the wavemagnets was to minimize stray capacitance rather than being an impedance issue. At 1.6 MHz two or three feet of mismatch isn't a hill of beans, but 10-pF of unwanted capacity could destroy the highend tracking alignment to the point where the radio can't be aligned. The wavemagnet is the loop antenna for the AM band, and is directly across the tuning capacitor--a very high impedance point! I suggest measuring the stray capacitance of the correct Zenith ladder line designed for the radio, and using a length of any handy 300 to 450 ohm line that is trimmed to the same capacitance value used by Zenith. Someone on the newsgroup could probably do this for you if you can provide the TO model number. Pete BTW: Impedance is determined by the ratios of the conductors, distance, etc. 75 ohm twinlead would have rather large diameter copper closely spaced, something like heavy gauge lamp cord... Peter Article: 317709 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:12:36 -0700 Message-ID: <12793-42BD9E94-329@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> References: Hey Randy By jewels don't you mean joules? After all, it'd be hard to make jokes about the family joules (not to mention Joules Verne). Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:32:41 -0700 Message-ID: <11br8rrcv8onl96@corp.supernews.com> References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> <11bqo8dpf1o8910@corp.supernews.com> Forgive me.. joules. Metric energy units. Named after a French scientist. Thanks for the extra info. Article: 317711 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:45:06 -0400 Also, the new secret code for caps is a bother, a .0047 is 472K. Takes the same space as the capacity. I can remember that bad boys rape our young girls, but I have trouble with this. Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > Am I dense? Maybe it's just me? I don't understand this one. > > I get my components from a lot of sources -- sometimes I buy them new, and > other times I find "lots" at surplus stores or area swap meets. I recently > bought a big set of trays badged "Ohmite Little Devils" full of resistors -- > not necessarily Ohmite, but enough resistors to warrant getting them along > with the storage trays. > > Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. I > pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 watt > resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. My > first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, 2% > tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured them, and > sure enough, they are 10k. > > So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would > be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is > this some new standard for China or someplace? > > Article: 317712 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:26:08 -0700 Message-ID: <11brc02j1trhhd5@corp.supernews.com> References: > Also, the new secret code for caps is a bother, a .0047 is 472K. Takes > the same space as the capacity. I can remember that bad boys rape our > young girls, but I have trouble with this. Ken What so hard about 4700 pF? Article: 317713 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:23:04 -0700 Message-ID: <29708-42BDAF18-253@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> References: <11br8rrcv8onl96@corp.supernews.com> William: What're you apologizin' for? It wasn't you who said jewels 'stead of joules. Now if you got sagging *jowls* that would be another matter. oc Article: 317714 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:46:02 -0600 Message-ID: References: "Rick" wrote in message news:poive.11478$pa3.7785@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > "xrongor" wrote in message > news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... >> it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the > values on >> things these days without some stuipid color code. >> >> randy > > Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) im not arguing. i am color blind. color codes suck. randy Article: 317715 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:49:12 -0600 Message-ID: howdy all. well, i have a shot at about 1000 tubes. the stockpile of an old radio repair guy that just died. i do not want to go through each tube and try and price them, but i dont want to rip the guy off either. a quick runthrough showed a few 12AX7's, standard AA5 tubes, a few flavors of 6v6's, etc. so in short it doesnt seem like a bunch of useless tubes. but i just have no idea what to offer. what is standard pricing on a lot of untested tubes like this? what should i offer the guy? he's a friend, so we're just trying to come up with a 'fair' price. thx randy Article: 317716 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bartley Subject: OT - my email is down Message-ID: <3tive.80778$Kk4.1346916@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:43:02 -0400 Sorry for the OT post. There are a couple of folks looking for me by email - I can read them, but can't respond - trouble should be repaired by Monday - will reply then. cheers and thanks -- regards from :: John Bartley 43 Norway Spruce Street Stittsville, Ontario Canada, K2S1P5 ( If you slow down it takes longer - does that apply to life also?) Article: 317717 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: Message-ID: <33e54$42bdb8a6$82a12456$7425@news1.tudelft.nl> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:03:50 +0200 Ken wrote: > Also, the new secret code for caps is a bother, a .0047 is 472K. Takes > the same space as the capacity. I can remember that bad boys rape our > young girls, but I have trouble with this. Ken 472 works the same way as yellow-purple-red... The K is either for voltage or for temperature coefficient, I keep forgetting that. --- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 317718 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: <33e54$42bdb8a6$82a12456$7425@news1.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:47:35 -0400 What is the K for, that's what's been screwing me up? maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote: > Ken wrote: > >>Also, the new secret code for caps is a bother, a .0047 is 472K. Takes >>the same space as the capacity. I can remember that bad boys rape our >>young girls, but I have trouble with this. Ken > > > 472 works the same way as yellow-purple-red... The K is either for > voltage or for temperature coefficient, I keep forgetting that. > > --- > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Maarten Bakker. Article: 317719 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:33:22 -0700 Message-ID: References: Gary Tayman wrote: > Am I dense? Maybe it's just me? I don't understand this one. > > I get my components from a lot of sources -- sometimes I buy them new, and > other times I find "lots" at surplus stores or area swap meets. I recently > bought a big set of trays badged "Ohmite Little Devils" full of resistors -- > not necessarily Ohmite, but enough resistors to warrant getting them along > with the storage trays. > > Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. I > pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 watt > resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. My > first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, 2% > tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured them, and > sure enough, they are 10k. > > So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would > be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is > this some new standard for China or someplace? > > You have to count the bands now.....I have been seeing this type of resistor here in Silicon Valley for a long time. In the beginning, I was stumped also, but I soon figured it out and adapted. This came about after they figured out how to make resistors with gnat's-nut tolerances. That permitted precision such that odd values could be produced. Unfortunately the resolution of the color coding standard in use at the time was not good enough to accurately represent the resistance of these odd value resistors. I have some 475K resistors in one of my drawers that are banded yellow, violet, green, orange, black. There's no way to represent that value using the classic 4 band system so they modified it at some point. What that means is that a red multiplier does not represent a four-figure resistance value in this system, as you discovered. I have also seen many resistors with the numerical values printed on them. As my eyesight has declined due to age (can't close-up focus nearly as well as a few years ago), I have grown to hate these things. They are also very hard to see sometimes when actually installed on a pc board. I like the banding method a lot better. -Scott Article: 317720 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:50:32 -0400 Does anyone have a 'rule of thumb' for reading these 5 band resistors? Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > Am I dense? Maybe it's just me? I don't understand this one. > > I get my components from a lot of sources -- sometimes I buy them new, and > other times I find "lots" at surplus stores or area swap meets. I recently > bought a big set of trays badged "Ohmite Little Devils" full of resistors -- > not necessarily Ohmite, but enough resistors to warrant getting them along > with the storage trays. > > Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. I > pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 watt > resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. My > first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, 2% > tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured them, and > sure enough, they are 10k. > > So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would > be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is > this some new standard for China or someplace? > > Article: 317721 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:52:52 -0400 "xrongor" wrote in message news:d9kcfk$bmdc$1@news3.infoave.net... > howdy all. > > well, i have a shot at about 1000 tubes. the stockpile of an old radio > repair guy that just died. > Randy.. New, or used? If used, tested????? NOS? Important details to know, and the exact tubes in the pile are important. NOS, run of the mill common tubes, maybe 25 to 75 cents each for a lot buy. There will be a lot of tubes you may never use! Pete Article: 317722 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Heathkit Signal Generator questions References: <1119723631.418602.25500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:56:08 GMT Porky wrote: > 1. If I get it working, is it likely to inject a lot of noise and hum, > and am I better off with a digital unit? Opinions may vary. I will need > new filter caps, but is it a waste of $$? Not if all your test equipment is properly grounded. (As usual, use isolation transformers if working on a hot chassis.) > 2. Besides the rectifier tube, there's also a selenium rectifier ans a > silcon diode. The tube appears to be part of the modulation circuit, is > that right? while the selenium unit is in the power supply. The solid > state diode has been soldered across the selenium's lugs. Would it not > be correct to take the selenium unit out of the circuit completely, > disconnect one lug, and perhaps add a resistor in series with the SS > diode? Remove the selenium rectifier and use the silicon diode by itself on a terminal strip. Perhaps it might do to add a 50-100 ohm 2 watt resistor in series. It helps the B+ come back down to where it should be, and allows the filter electrolytics to do their job properly with a higher source resistance. (I.e. better filtering) Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317723 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! References: <12793-42BD9E94-329@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:56:09 -0500 Bill Sheppard wrote: > Hey Randy > By jewels don't you mean joules? After all, it'd be > hard to make jokes about the family joules (not to mention Joules > Verne). Bill(oc) > There's a bet going of how many of these I can slip by - and so far I've been nailed every time. Not bad for a bunch of "old farts" and "incompetents", huh! best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 317724 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BDC4FE.9050107@ix.netcom.com> From: David Stinson Subject: One Last Try Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:56:36 GMT Some time ago, I printed-out a shipping label for a Mr. Don Butterly of Abington, PA. I have no idea why...... none. This seems to happen to me more and more often.... Must be the old "Here After" disease- (symptom: you come down stairs, then stand in the kitchen thinking: "What am I here after??" Obviously, I was going to send him something. I thought I'd ask one more time before throwing the label away. Dave S. Article: 317725 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: They aren't all Black Beauties References: <17443-42BBF4B3-1@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net> <8cWue.85620$x96.337@attbi_s72> <1119731014.242996.120500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <31199$42bdc7a2$82a12456$3931@news2.tudelft.nl> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:07:46 +0200 Porky wrote: > Don't worry. > Serious guitar pickers who travel and play in public get new caps put > into their vintage amps. Only a fool would head to a gig with an amp > full of rotten paper cigars, especially with 450 vdc on them. The black beauties apparently have their qualities when used in the filter on the guitar itself, low voltage, no harm done. --- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 317726 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:21:55 GMT > what is standard pricing on a lot of > untested tubes like this Untested, you have to assume that they're duds, especially if they're not in the original boxes. If they're mostly small 7, 9 & 11 pin tubes that are loose, they're not worth much. That kind of number, I wouldn't give .10 each for them. Now if they are large 4 and 5 pin tubes from the 20's, that's a different story... Ron Article: 317727 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Mikael Carlsson Subject: A nice Zenith 8-A-128 found in Sweden Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:22:01 +0200 Message-ID: <3i608bFjr74cU1@individual.net> Hi, I recently bought a Zenith radio from an internet auction site in Sweden. The seller did not know anything about radios, the only picture shown was this: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-8-A-128.jpg Based on that picture I assumed that the radio was a 6-S-128. When I received it (with a broken dial cover thanks to very poor packaging) I realized that it was a 8-A-128. When I googled around I learned that it either was a full-band or an export radio. Looking at the back of the radio I found this little sign: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-custom-sign.jpg This was another surprise to me, the town mentioned on the sign (Malmö) is the town where I was born in 59. I assume that Kurt Broberg was the importer of the radio. Here is a pic with the chassis information: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-chassis-info.jpg Here I found the chassis information (5802) and the serial number and the type 8A128 with an A added. The schematic for a 5802 chassis is here: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/5802.gif The radio have had some minor repairs and a mouse had built himself a nice house with a newspaper from 1952. One of the filter caps (2/8 uf) shows some sign of 'growing': http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-fried-cap.jpg One resistor have had to much to do: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-fried-resistor.jpg The other filter cap (16uf) have been replaced with a 32uf and another filter cap (32uf) have been added at a weird place. The back-cover does not look right: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-back-cover.jpg Do any of you have a picture of a back-cover from a 6S128 or 8S128`so that I can compare against mine? The radio will be recapped by regutting the wax capacitors and the filter caps. To find an old Zenith radio in Sweden is quite rare, I have only seen two so far, mine and one in a museum. I paid about $170 for it and guess that it is a fare price. Well, I will post more info and update the website as I progress with the restoration. I have searched for new grill cloth but have failed to find the right type. Mine looks like this: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-grillcloth.jpg Where can I find this type? Sincerely, Mikael Article: 317728 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:58:25 -0600 Message-ID: References: " Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:TVjve.15259$k24.192141@twister.southeast.rr.com... >> what is standard pricing on a lot of >> untested tubes like this > > Untested, you have to assume that they're duds, > especially if they're not in the original boxes. > > If they're mostly small 7, 9 & 11 pin tubes > that are loose, they're not worth much. > That kind of number, I wouldn't give .10 each > for them. > > Now if they are large 4 and 5 pin tubes from > the 20's, that's a different story... hey guys. thanks for the responses. they are mostly new philco tubes, in their original boxes. and mostly the large pin count/smaller tubes. not a high count of any one tube either from what i can tell. apparantly it was the old guys stock of replacements. what really sucks, the 'display' type tube tester (the ones where you you would walk into the store and test your own tubes) went to the dump last week... apparantly with a bunch of tubes still in the cabinet part below it. dammit. ah well. at least my friend got there in time to save the bulk of the tubes. but i sure would have liked that tester... we talked about it some more after reading the responses, and decided 50$ for the lot. dont see how i could go too far wrong for that. well, im off to sort through the goody box! thx randy Article: 317729 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <3i608bFjr74cU1@individual.net> Subject: Re: A nice Zenith 8-A-128 found in Sweden Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:38:12 GMT Mikael, it sounds like you are one very fortunate person, other than suffering from incompetant shipping practices. You've also found the right venue to find help, and since I'm still learning,someone with much better skills than I have should reply shortly. I did want to say that the cabinet is very nice (even with the bowed rib on the grille) and not having to go major work on the cabinet is a great bonus. congratultions on a nice purchase, indeed! "Mikael Carlsson" wrote in message news:3i608bFjr74cU1@individual.net... | Hi, | | I recently bought a Zenith radio from an internet auction site in | Sweden. The seller did not know anything about radios, the only picture | shown was this: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-8-A-128.jpg | | Based on that picture I assumed that the radio was a 6-S-128. | When I received it (with a broken dial cover thanks to very poor | packaging) I realized that it was a 8-A-128. | | When I googled around I learned that it either was a full-band or an | export radio. Looking at the back of the radio I found this little sign: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-custom-sign.jpg | This was another surprise to me, the town mentioned on the sign (Malmö) | is the town where I was born in 59. I assume that Kurt Broberg was the | importer of the radio. | | Here is a pic with the chassis information: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-chassis-info.jpg | Here I found the chassis information (5802) and the serial number and | the type 8A128 with an A added. | | The schematic for a 5802 chassis is here: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/5802.gif | | The radio have had some minor repairs and a mouse had built himself a | nice house with a newspaper from 1952. | | One of the filter caps (2/8 uf) shows some sign of 'growing': | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-fried-cap.jpg | | One resistor have had to much to do: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-fried-resistor.jpg | | The other filter cap (16uf) have been replaced with a 32uf and another | filter cap (32uf) have been added at a weird place. | | The back-cover does not look right: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-back-cover.jpg | Do any of you have a picture of a back-cover from a 6S128 or 8S128`so | that I can compare against mine? | | The radio will be recapped by regutting the wax capacitors and the | filter caps. | | To find an old Zenith radio in Sweden is quite rare, I have only seen | two so far, mine and one in a museum. I paid about $170 for it and guess | that it is a fare price. | | Well, I will post more info and update the website as I progress with | the restoration. | | I have searched for new grill cloth but have failed to find the right | type. Mine looks like this: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-grillcloth.jpg | Where can I find this type? | | Sincerely, | Mikael Article: 317730 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: Message-ID: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:51:47 -0400 Rick wrote: > "xrongor" wrote in message > news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... > >>it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the > > values on > >>things these days without some stuipid color code. >> >>randy > > > Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) > > Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? Article: 317731 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119597828.623702.319450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0d6dnY8yPujeOCDfRVn-tA@sigecom.net> Subject: Re: Do gramophones need special records? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:53:13 GMT "Bruce Mercer" wrote in message news:0d6dnY8yPujeOCDfRVn-tA@sigecom.net... | | "Gary Tayman" wrote in message | news:mIcve.12741$eM6.6746@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... | > Is there such a thing as a gramophone that plays 33's? | | Hmmm...guess you didn't bother to read my post. I repeat...there is no such | machine. Yes and no...the PT disks were a recording format, and the biggest problem would have been affordability compared to other systems in use at the time using more "standard" formats that could be played on all phonographs. | | >The first 33rpm records were made by RCA in 1931 and were called PT's, | >short for program transcriptions. One (of many) problem with these was the | >fact that only a few RCA players could handle them, and I believe all of | >them were electronic players. I don't know the needle size, but I would | >assume they're the 3 mil, just like "standard" 78's of the period. | | These records had a slightly smaller groove than their regular 78's and used | special needles. These records were a dismal failure and were quickly | withdrawn | from the market. | | | > Who made the gramophone? The earliest flat ones were Edison, which | played | > 1/4 inch thick records at 80 rpm. These records were vertical cut, so the | > diaphragm on the needle is horizontal. All the later units played the | > more practical thinner records at 78 rpm, with horizontal cut, and the | > players had a vertical diaphragm. | | The earliest disk records were Berliner, Johnson, Victor, Columbia etc. | Edison entered | the disk business late...1912 and his machines both cylinder and disc were | called phonographs, | not gramophones. | Emile Berliner is usually credited as having introduced the flat disc format. Flat discs are what made the record industry take off finally, as in easier to duplicate, store and longer playing capabilites (and could you find track 2 on a cylinder?) and more affordable to the masses. Berliner's ideas would have been used eventually by somebody if not then as they would make far too much sense to avoid. | | > In either case, be sure to stock up on needles, as the steel needles on | > these players didn't last long. It is wise to use a new needle every time | > you play a record -- and avoid playing the later 1940-s records, as the | > modulation level was such that they could blow a needle partway through | > the record. | | Agreed. BTW...the above is not nit picking but an attempt not to blur the | facts and | water down history with misinformation. | | Bruce | | Article: 317732 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119545960.710244.314320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119701726.536123.30300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FS: clearing out the garage garage sale Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:56:56 GMT Dan, when would that have been? I don't keep stuff for long and when the disk controller freezes up every 30 min or so one has to dodge about to keep going. "twomuttheads" wrote in message news:1119701726.536123.30300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... | Steve??? sent me an email about the Seeburg jukebox, but my spam | cleaner knocked it out. Please resend and I'll look for it. | Article: 317733 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <21153-429B32C3-232@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Listening to OTR Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:04:19 GMT "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message news:Xns96806C20B7BE2w4csc@63.223.7.253... | "Steven Dinius" wrote in | news:X1Hme.8216$Cz3.970411@monger.newsread.com: | | > I just wish I had all those crappy old cassettes I taped from an old | > tubed clock radio in the seventies of the old KIDO 63 when they were | > close to switching the AOR format to the new FM, Q104. Ahhhh, | > Pre-classic Classic Rock! ~~~~~ | posted....when you get bored with TV and MP3 files...(c; | Now you'll need a TV transmitter that takes input from DiVX or VCD files... | | -- | Larry I have a half decent capture card/MPEG-2 decoder with TV out and most crap I need which I bought for $5 in a lot at the local auction (Sigma?) that I shall be playing with when Wildcat finally returns from the shop and I can have time to build Century 8 out of the remains on this one... | You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in | chalk. Article: 317734 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:09:43 GMT Because there are older folk who can't read the damn BOARD printing well with out magnification? At least you aren't dealing with surface mount microscopic blobs of whatever like on a motherboard... "xrongor" wrote in message news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... | it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the values on | things these days without some stuipid color code. | | randy | | "Gary Tayman" wrote in message | news:YPgve.11897$VK4.8646@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... | > Hoo boy, another thing we have to remember. | > | > It was bad enough in the old days when Philco got creative with their | > capacitor dots. Then later, as I recall, Philco got creative with | > markings of diodes and other components. The Japanese assume you know | > enough to add a "2S" in front of transistor numbers. You also should know | > enough never to confuse a choke with a resistor, by never accidentally | > dropping them in the worng tray. For surface mount, don't even bother, | > just throw it away and buy a new gizmo. But I ask, what about standards? | > | > | > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message | > news:GAgve.65865$887.8958@tornado.socal.rr.com... | >> | >> | >> Gary Tayman wrote: | >>> Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. | >>> I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 | >>> watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. | >>> My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, | >>> 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured | >>> them, and sure enough, they are 10k. | >> | >> 1% Resistors. | >> | >> Brown Black Black Red Brown | >> 1 0 0 10^2 1% | >> | >> 10K | >> | >> Jeff | >> | >> -- | >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary | >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin | >> "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." | >> Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" | > | > | | Article: 317735 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:11:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:08:31 +0000, Gary Tayman wrote: > Am I dense? Maybe it's just me? I don't understand this one. > > I get my components from a lot of sources -- sometimes I buy them new, > and other times I find "lots" at surplus stores or area swap meets. I > recently bought a big set of trays badged "Ohmite Little Devils" full of > resistors -- not necessarily Ohmite, but enough resistors to warrant > getting them along with the storage trays. > > Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. > I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 > watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. > My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, > 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured > them, and sure enough, they are 10k. > > So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this > would be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more > zeros. Is this some new standard for China or someplace? Here's a quick explanation. 3 and 4 band resistors are 20%, 10%, or 5% tolerance. 5 band resistors are 1% tolerance. The tighter the tolerance the more values are available. They ran out of possibilities around 2%. Read them the same except the 1% ones have one more digit and the last band is brown (1%). These have been around for some time but they have gotten cheap enough to use everywhere. There are also ones marked by numbers printed on them. Read them the same way. The first two or three digits are significant figures and the last is the multiplier. If the letter R is present, it indicates a decimal point. This system is also used on surface mount resistors (the ones that have marked values). The digits on capacitors are read the same way. The ones with printed numbers have the tolerance indicated with a letter after the value: M=20%, K=10%, J=5%, G=2%, and F=1% (and some other less common ones). Thus a capacitor marked 472K has a value of 4700pF 10%. A resistor marked 2212F has a value of 22.1K 1% (if it had color bands it would be red red brown red brown). This is all straightforward enough. The problem comes with parts made in the orient. They frequently don't use paint with clearly different colors; red, brown, and orange look alike as do blue, green, and violet. white, yellow, and silver can be confusing. I hope this helps. If it is still confusing, I can make up more examples. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 317736 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:11:23 GMT "Rick" wrote in message news:poive.11478$pa3.7785@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... | | "xrongor" wrote in message | news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... | > it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the | values on | > things these days without some stuipid color code. | > | > randy | | Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) Hope it doesn't shift to CW and novice licenses ;-0 Article: 317737 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <228e8$42bde4be$82a12456$13774@news1.tudelft.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:11:58 +0200 Ken Scharf wrote: > Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? > or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? 10k, 12k, 1300 ohms... I fail to see why that would be hard? The first two values are exactly the same as the corresponding colour codes would be, the last value has the K instead of the decimal point, as is commonly used in (European) schematics. In case of capacitors, just think picofarad ;-) --- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 317738 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:13:18 -0600 Message-ID: References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> "Ken Scharf" wrote in message news:6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > Rick wrote: >> "xrongor" wrote in message >> news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... >> >>>it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the >> >> values on >> >>>things these days without some stuipid color code. >>> >>>randy >> >> >> Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) >> >> > Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? > or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? which is exactly my point. why put some stupid coded number on it when you can just put 47K or 23 or 10M. same with caps. whats so hard about putting .047mF on the cap like they do with electrolitics.. i just dont get it at all. randy Article: 317739 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:12:47 GMT Ahhh. Yes they would. "xrongor" wrote in message news:d9kc9l$bmlk$1@news3.infoave.net... | | "Rick" wrote in message | news:poive.11478$pa3.7785@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... | > | > "xrongor" wrote in message | > news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... | >> it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the | > values on | >> things these days without some stuipid color code. | >> | >> randy | > | > Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) | | im not arguing. i am color blind. color codes suck. | | randy | | Article: 317740 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <11brc02j1trhhd5@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:14:40 GMT "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:11brc02j1trhhd5@corp.supernews.com... | > Also, the new secret code for caps is a bother, a .0047 is 472K. Takes | > the same space as the capacity. I can remember that bad boys rape our | > young girls, but I have trouble with this. Ken | | What so hard about 4700 pF? And that's one of the strangest memnonic tools I've heard of. Article: 317741 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: One Last Try From: Ed References: <42BDC4FE.9050107@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:19:16 GMT I find nothing at all in the National Ham Radio Callsign listing for ANY body named "Butterly". Maybe it wasn't ham radio related? On the other issue, I usually find it helpful to go back into the room where I was when I decided to do whatever it was I forgot. Standing in the room and thinking about what you were doing when you decided to do whatever it was you forgot more often than not brings it back to memory. good luck Ed Article: 317742 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> <228e8$42bde4be$82a12456$13774@news1.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:21:04 GMT maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote: > Ken Scharf wrote: > >>Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? >>or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? > > > 10k, 12k, 1300 ohms... That's the rub. 1K3 is 1.3 Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317743 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Janssen Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: <11brc02j1trhhd5@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:24:04 GMT Steven Dinius wrote: >"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message >news:11brc02j1trhhd5@corp.supernews.com... >| > Also, the new secret code for caps is a bother, a .0047 is 472K. Takes >| > the same space as the capacity. I can remember that bad boys rape our >| > young girls, but I have trouble with this. Ken >| >| What so hard about 4700 pF? > >And that's one of the strangest memnonic tools I've heard of. > > > And he forgot the ending which is "behind victory garden walls" There is another ending :"but Violet gives willingly" Or so I remember :-) Bill K7NOM Article: 317744 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:26:44 GMT But as I stated elsewhere, if you are colorblind, yeah I do get your point. "Steven Dinius" wrote in message news:Xulve.1185$S17.190556@monger.newsread.com... | Because there are older folk who can't read the damn BOARD printing well | with out magnification? | | At least you aren't dealing with surface mount microscopic blobs of | whatever like on a motherboard... | | "xrongor" wrote in message | news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... | | it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the values on | | things these days without some stuipid color code. | | | | randy | | | | "Gary Tayman" wrote in message | | news:YPgve.11897$VK4.8646@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... | | > Hoo boy, another thing we have to remember. | | > | | > It was bad enough in the old days when Philco got creative with their | | > capacitor dots. Then later, as I recall, Philco got creative with | | > markings of diodes and other components. The Japanese assume you know | | > enough to add a "2S" in front of transistor numbers. You also should | know | | > enough never to confuse a choke with a resistor, by never accidentally | | > dropping them in the worng tray. For surface mount, don't even bother, | | > just throw it away and buy a new gizmo. But I ask, what about | standards? | | > | | > | | > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message | | > news:GAgve.65865$887.8958@tornado.socal.rr.com... | | >> | | >> | | >> Gary Tayman wrote: | | >>> Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working | on. | | >>> I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 | | >>> watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, | brown. | | >>> My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 | ohm, | | >>> 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured | | >>> them, and sure enough, they are 10k. | | >> | | >> 1% Resistors. | | >> | | >> Brown Black Black Red Brown | | >> 1 0 0 10^2 1% | | >> | | >> 10K | | >> | | >> Jeff | | >> | | >> -- | | >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary | | >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin | | >> "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." | | >> Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" | | > | | > | | | | | Article: 317745 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:30:30 GMT I have a boatload of those kind in old stereo gear...usually labelled "MICRON" but I'm told no relation to the semiconductor memory/PC giant in Nampa, Idaho. "xrongor" wrote in message news:d9kodh$bsdk$1@news3.infoave.net... | | "Ken Scharf" wrote in message | news:6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net... | > Rick wrote: | >> "xrongor" wrote in message | >> news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... | >> | >>>it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the | >> | >> values on | >> | >>>things these days without some stuipid color code. | >>> | >>>randy | >> | >> | >> Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) | >> | >> | > Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? | > or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? | | which is exactly my point. why put some stupid coded number on it when you | can just put 47K or 23 or 10M. same with caps. whats so hard about putting | .047mF on the cap like they do with electrolitics.. | | i just dont get it at all. | | randy | | Article: 317746 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> <228e8$42bde4be$82a12456$13774@news1.tudelft.nl> Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:37:22 GMT "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:AFlve.50384$ya2.42974@tornado.socal.rr.com... | | | maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote: | | > Ken Scharf wrote: | > | >>Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? | >>or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? | > | > | > 10k, 12k, 1300 ohms... | | That's the rub. 1K3 is 1.3 and would likely be followd by another K in the examples of my stereos. Article: 317747 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:40:28 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> <228e8$42bde4be$82a12456$13774@news1.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > > maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote: > >> Ken Scharf wrote: >> >>> Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? >>> or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? >> >> >> >> 10k, 12k, 1300 ohms... > > > That's the rub. 1K3 is 1.3 > > Jeff > I don't think so. 1R3 would be 1.3 ....I think. -Bill Article: 317748 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" Subject: Re: Do gramophones need special records? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:11:21 -0700 Message-ID: <11bs07b7mm4b036@corp.supernews.com> References: <1119597828.623702.319450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0d6dnY8yPujeOCDfRVn-tA@sigecom.net> > Emile Berliner is usually credited as having introduced > the flat disc format. Correct. But Edison actually patented flat discs in England (though not the US, IIRC). Article: 317749 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119597828.623702.319450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0d6dnY8yPujeOCDfRVn-tA@sigecom.net> <11bs07b7mm4b036@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Do gramophones need special records? Message-ID: <%Anve.1195$S17.191531@monger.newsread.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:32:43 GMT "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:11bs07b7mm4b036@corp.supernews.com... | > Emile Berliner is usually credited as having introduced | > the flat disc format. | | Correct. But Edison actually patented flat discs in England (though not the | US, IIRC). Yes, but I'd make a safe bet that EMI or somebody along those lines probably took car of that bt the time of WWI Article: 317750 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119597828.623702.319450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0d6dnY8yPujeOCDfRVn-tA@sigecom.net> <11bs07b7mm4b036@corp.supernews.com> <%Anve.1195$S17.191531@monger.newsread.com> Subject: Re: Do gramophones need special records? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:35:11 GMT "Steven Dinius" wrote in message news:%Anve.1195$S17.191531@monger.newsread.com... | "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message | news:11bs07b7mm4b036@corp.supernews.com... | | > Emile Berliner is usually credited as having introduced | | > the flat disc format. | | | | Correct. But Edison actually patented flat discs in England (though not | the | | US, IIRC). | | Yes, but I'd make a safe bet that EMI or somebody along those lines probably | took car of that bt the time of WWI PS I'm not thrilled with my typing ability lately... Article: 317751 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Free MP3's of Old 78's From: Larry W4CSC References: <6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <42BD7452.31FC3C64@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:14:17 -0400 "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in news:42BD7452.31FC3C64@earthlink.net: > Look what the cat dragged in! Welcome back, Larry! > > Thanks, guys. I been busy fixing yachts and just started lurking again.... Damned rain....no sailing this weekend....no wind! -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317752 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Message-ID: <_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:24:58 -0400 "xrongor" wrote in message news:d9kk1t$bq5m$1@news3.infoave.net... > > > we talked about it some more after reading the responses, and decided 50$ > for the lot. dont see how i could go too far wrong for that. > > well, im off to sort through the goody box! > > thx > randy > > Five cents each? You did okay! Article: 317753 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Heathkit Signal Generator questions From: Larry W4CSC References: <1119723631.418602.25500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119745139.996589.296900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:30:45 -0400 "Porky" wrote in news:1119745139.996589.296900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > OK, I'll add a 3-prong cord while i'm at it. Thanks. > > That will GUARANTEE a great ground loop that will make everything it touches hum like hell.... Not to mention the ball of fire if someone touches the grounded signal generator chassis to an AA5 plugged in backwards to AC line. If you get between the newly-grounded signal generator and a hot chassis, it'll kill you making the hum problem moot! One of my handiest pieces of sophisticated test gear used in my electronic organ service business is a little 9V Radio Shack telephone amplifier. They discontinued it a couple of years ago and I bought out their entire stock from the warehouse so I'd never run out...for $2/each. This little transistor amp has a high impedance FET input, something around 10M ohms. It's perfect for "listening" to the circuits. I built a probe for it to plug into where the little hi-Z pickup coil (the little suction cup for the phone handset one). The probe has 4.7M in series with the tip, .01uF-2KV DC blocking capacitor to protect the FET I kept blowing when not thinking and 100K ohms across the amp's input to keep the DC spikes charging the little cap to a safer level. Sensitivity is NOT a problem. This thing is very high gain! The volume control pot on the amp is between the FET preamp and the IC power amp and is not part of the input load. It's a great tool in audio circuits...I can hear the hum level and effects I make on it changing out components I think is causing it....even on power supply outputs...instead of fiddling around with scopes and DVMs and knobs/buttons/displays. Once it is connected to the system ground reference, it's as quiet as a church mouse, itself, running on an isolated 9V battery. Touch it to the audio points across the system, and it will isolate noisy components, power supply hum, missing signals, distortion (within reason) without ever looking up from your probes..... Sorry I don't have the RS number of it easily handy here. It's raining like hell between me and the truck. The unit lays flat, has a square red On-Off button with a little pin that shows in a hole when it's on, and a thumbwheel volume control on the front edge. The whole top is a speaker grill. The input is a 1/8" phone plug in the back edge opposite the volume control thumbwheel. The whole bottom comes off to get to the battery...no doors. It just pops on. Hope that identifies it for you. -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317754 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ISP provider From: Larry W4CSC References: <1118924261.420244.167780@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <42BD74A1.D73DD469@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:32:00 -0400 "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in news:42BD74A1.D73DD469@earthlink.net: > Try going from broadband down to dialup, then a full year without any > access. :( > > Geez. I'd have killed someone by now....(c; -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317755 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: New resistor color code? From: Larry W4CSC References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:37:06 -0400 "xrongor" wrote in news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net: > it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the values on > things these days without some stuipid color code. > They do! 10K would have been 103, especially on tiny surface-mount block resistors I have to deal with in modern organs. You have to have a loupe to see the numbers they're all so small. -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317756 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: One Last Try From: Larry W4CSC References: <42BDC4FE.9050107@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:42:20 -0400 Ed wrote in news:Xns9680A6451AA3Fspectrumhogstarbandn@207.106.93.175: > On the other issue, I usually find it helpful to go back into the > room > where I was when I decided to do whatever it was I forgot. Standing > in the room and thinking about what you were doing when you decided to > do whatever it was you forgot more often than not brings it back to > memory. good luck > I'll be 60 in January...dammit. I turn around in my chair and things simply disappear. I used to get very upset about it, but now I just say, "It'll turn up someday." and carry on, if I can live without it. The intensive searching will never find it if it's hiding from me. I have to have my little cellphone, but that's easy to find after I get my neighbor to call it until I answer them. I found one of my combs, the other day. It had been "missing" for 3 weeks. I asked it how its vacation was, but got no answer....yet....(c; -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317757 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm From: Larry W4CSC References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:46:44 -0400 " Uncle Peter" wrote in news:F5hve.8131$go.1962@fed1read05: > I suspect the idea behind the ladder line used in the wavemagnets > was to minimize stray capacitance rather than being an impedance > issue. At 1.6 MHz two or three feet of mismatch isn't a hill of beans, > but 10-pF of unwanted capacity could destroy the highend tracking > alignment to the point where the radio can't be aligned. > > Twinlead was used in antenna circuits to FIX the stray capacitance so the wavemagnet would remain in alignment as you moved the antenna around. When they used just wire, the wire would get closer or farther apart and screw up the antenna tuning alignment so sensitivity dropped. Twinlead has low capacitance between the spaced wires and it stays CONSTANT when you move it about. -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317758 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:48:12 -0600 Message-ID: References: <_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05> " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05... > > "xrongor" wrote in message > news:d9kk1t$bq5m$1@news3.infoave.net... >> >> > we talked about it some more after reading the responses, and decided > 50$ >> for the lot. dont see how i could go too far wrong for that. >> >> well, im off to sort through the goody box! >> >> thx >> randy >> >> > > Five cents each? You did okay! less than that. now that ive done a preliminary dig through the boxes, ive got 1065 tubes. now that ive gone through the box i feel a little bad for paying so little, but hey. i took my chances. there are 4 brand new in the box sylvania 1L6's in there for starters. and at least 100 tubes for which i currently own something they could be used in. and many many tubes for which i have no idea what they are for, although it doesnt take much to stump me... this was my first score of a mass of tubes and i am very happy! randy Article: 317759 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: message to old farts in general From: Larry W4CSC References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42BD729D.EADA8932@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:51:48 -0400 "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in news:42BD729D.EADA8932@earthlink.net: > I'd like to see him try to fix an RCB-2000. On the other hand, I > really don't want to see an $80,000 reciever destroyed. > I want to see him align the gearbox and permeability tuning on a military R-390A....(c; -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317760 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: A nice Zenith 8-A-128 found in Sweden Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:06:54 -0600 Message-ID: <15360-42BE1BCE-12@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <3i608bFjr74cU1@individual.net> Thats interesting about the Sweden model of that radio . I have a regular 6S128 and it looks the same from the front i never had a back , that may be added to that model you found . Very cool and you did ok on price .. those are becoming popular and pricey . Article: 317761 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <11br8rrcv8onl96@corp.supernews.com> <29708-42BDAF18-253@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Message-ID: <25pve.5732$mN.62755@news1.mts.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:24:35 -0700 "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message news:29708-42BDAF18-253@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net... > William: > What're you apologizin' for? It wasn't you who said jewels > 'stead of joules. Now if you got sagging *jowls* that would be another > matter. oc > And saggin' "jewels" would be another matter still. (Couldn't help myself!) Nelson Article: 317762 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rick" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:25:40 GMT "xrongor" wrote in message news:d9kc9l$bmlk$1@news3.infoave.net... > > "Rick" wrote in message > news:poive.11478$pa3.7785@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > > > "xrongor" wrote in message > > news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... > >> it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the > > values on > >> things these days without some stuipid color code. > >> > >> randy > > > > Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) > > im not arguing. i am color blind. color codes suck. > > randy I was referring to the amateur radio guys and Morse code..... Article: 317763 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:51:54 -0600 Message-ID: References: "Rick" wrote in message news:Uepve.13177$eM6.1875@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > "xrongor" wrote in message > news:d9kc9l$bmlk$1@news3.infoave.net... >> >> "Rick" wrote in message >> news:poive.11478$pa3.7785@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... >> > >> > "xrongor" wrote in message >> > news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... >> >> it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the >> > values on >> >> things these days without some stuipid color code. >> >> >> >> randy >> > >> > Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) >> >> im not arguing. i am color blind. color codes suck. >> >> randy > > I was referring to the amateur radio guys and Morse code..... .. --. ..- . ... ... .. -- .. ... ... . -.. - .... . -... --- .- - randy Article: 317764 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Subject: Re: message to old farts in general Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 04:54:43 GMT I fart into my 39th year in 1 hour 07 minutes end of thread From garnie[at]sasktel[dot]net Sun Jun 26 22:19:22 EDT 2005 Article: 317765 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Garnie Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Require detailed AK9C photo Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:10:30 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1lhsb11uft6uetenlseosadq1vka5j1qpa@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.glorb.com!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317765 Could someone email a detailed photo of their AK9C underside wiring so I can properly route the wiring on the set I'm restoring as close as possible to original? Regards, Garnie Article: 317766 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Heathkit Signal Generator questions References: <1119723631.418602.25500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119745139.996589.296900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:18:55 GMT Larry W4CSC wrote: > "Porky" wrote: > >>OK, I'll add a 3-prong cord while i'm at it. Thanks. > > > That will GUARANTEE a great ground loop that will make everything it > touches hum like hell.... > > Not to mention the ball of fire if someone touches the grounded signal > generator chassis to an AA5 plugged in backwards to AC line. > > If you get between the newly-grounded signal generator and a hot chassis, > it'll kill you making the hum problem moot!' You must be doing something terribly wrong then. EVERY test bench I've worked at for the past 35 years had ALL of the equipment grounded. From power supplies, audio systems, (including pre-amps) RF, baseband, Microwave and digital systems. The ONLY problem I've EVER had was with an older Hewlett Packard spectrum analyser that lost the ground connection via a faulty power cord. (An unpleasant suprise to find ~60 VAC on the chassis.) I specifically mentioned using an isolation transformer on any "hot chassis" sets. To assume that they are safe or plugged in correctly, thus "safe" is absurd. Currently, both my business and home work benches have fully grounded equipment on them. I haven't experienced any of the problems you claim above. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317767 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> <228e8$42bde4be$82a12456$13774@news1.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: <22cfa$42be75d4$82a12456$3568@news2.tudelft.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:31:00 +0200 Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote: >> Ken Scharf wrote: >>>Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? >>>or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? >> 10k, 12k, 1300 ohms... > That's the rub. 1K3 is 1.3 1.3k, 1.3 ohms would usually be designated 1R3... --- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 317768 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Juke Dude" References: <1119545960.710244.314320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119701726.536123.30300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FS: clearing out the garage garage sale Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:49:38 -0400 I'm here, I'm here! Yes I would be very interested in that Seeburg. Please email me: r e t r o d e p o t @ b e l l n e t . c a "twomuttheads" wrote in message news:1119701726.536123.30300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Steve??? sent me an email about the Seeburg jukebox, but my spam > cleaner knocked it out. Please resend and I'll look for it. > Article: 317769 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05> Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:14:13 GMT "Art's Antique Radios" wrote in message news:HLmdneWs8P-nACPfRVn-ow@comcast.com... | There is nothing stopping you from going back and paying a little more. | | I have done that many times. | | Makes you feel good and they will remember you if they ever find anything | else. A nice gesture indeed, and you might never know when a nicety as such could lead to consideration when they come across other things... | "xrongor" wrote in message | news:d9l518$c280$1@news3.infoave.net... | > | > " Uncle Peter" wrote in message | > news:_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05... | >> | >> "xrongor" wrote in message | >> news:d9kk1t$bq5m$1@news3.infoave.net... | >>> | >>> > we talked about it some more after reading the responses, and decided | >> 50$ | >>> for the lot. dont see how i could go too far wrong for that. | >>> | >>> well, im off to sort through the goody box! | >>> | >>> thx | >>> randy | >>> | >>> | >> | >> Five cents each? You did okay! | > | > less than that. now that ive done a preliminary dig through the boxes, | > ive got 1065 tubes. | > | > now that ive gone through the box i feel a little bad for paying so | > little, but hey. i took my chances. there are 4 brand new in the box | > sylvania 1L6's in there for starters. and at least 100 tubes for which i | > currently own something they could be used in. and many many tubes for | > which i have no idea what they are for, although it doesnt take much to | > stump me... | > | > this was my first score of a mass of tubes and i am very happy! | > | > randy | > | | Article: 317770 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:25:35 GMT In article , benjamaniac@yahoo.com says... > > > We had a lightning stom here last week and the transformer on the >pole outside our house took a direct hit. > Ben > > Here we are once again into our Thunderstorm Season... and stuff is once again being blown up... Now please consider two options.... Option #1 is the methed that Ben is about to go through.... after the strike and damage... do assessment and repairs... and yes at least for the first or maybe even the 2nd time our insurance companies will pay the bill less deductibles etc.... but shortly they will be telling you that your premium is no longer desired by their company... and you will be out looking to buy insurance someplace else... In Indiana they have assigned risk for homeowners with lousy records of losses.. and it isn't cheap.. Option #2 ... Spend some bucks and protect your homes... I don't mean just a simple surge protector for the computer... it isn't all that hard to protect the whole house.. This involves adding some sort of major box to your incoming AC line at the entrance box to your house... and yes a good Shunt Box will be maybe $500 max... and yes if they lock down for a period of time they will begin to smoke even if they aren't old enough to smoke.... but your house and all the stuff in it will survive... You also have to add protection to Phone lines and Cable TV lines and any antenna wires that are coming into the home... plus a nice battery backup smartbox for the computer... By doing the above... you will be able to sleep through these storms and no longer worry about what all I will have to try to fix tomorrow ... and your insurance company won't be paying out claims.. and therefore the rest of us will enjoy possibly slightly smaller insurance premiums. I personally prefer Polyphaser Products for most of the above items.. but there are also several other companies that make these protective devices.... and yes with 3 towers in my backyard top antenna at 190 feet... I have been hit lots of times... damage to date after 17 years of polyphaser goodies attached... Zero to everything in the house.... once the main shunt protector gave its all and had to be replaced... John k9uwa Article: 317771 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BEB80B.ED9814E8@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: Kids and Radios References: <1119472156.474335.146450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:13:31 -0400 Hi Peter, When did you get your 9-S-262? I didn't know you had that model. Regards, Sal Brisindi Peter Wieck wrote: > I had one of our contractors stop into the office this afternoon with > two small children (6, boy & 8, girl) to drop off a bid. Of course, > they instantly ran for the radios (Zenith 9S262 and Philco 38-7). I > asked them if they could be gentle and use 'soft touch'. They said yes. > Note: Both radios were "off" at the time. Article: 317772 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Skycloud" Subject: Zenith Chairside 10-S-452 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:42:23 +0100 Message-ID: <3i7t6dFk6hq7U1@individual.net> Hi, Can anyone advise me on this? I'm based in the UK and currently completing the overhaul of a chairside Zenith 10-S-452 (c.1940). Ther set's all working well and going together OK. However before re-fitting the speaker (which faces outward from the 'chair') I've noticed something very odd. The speaker fabric, placed at the front of the loudspeaker, is backed by a piece of card - totally blocking (to my mind) the main sound beam from the speaker. There are little vents around the top face of the semi-circular chairside cabinet but I would think these were primarily intended for ventilation, not for dispersing the sound (from the speaker rear). BTW the cabinet on this set has been previously been restored by someone else so I'm not sure if this speaker blockage is original ! Before taking out the blocking card and remounting the speaker fabric, I need to know if this cabinet is in fact designed around some wierd acoustic principle and I need educating. Can anybody guide me? Thanks, Steve www.copycoder.com Article: 317773 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Kids and Radios Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:04:06 -0600 Message-ID: <20797-42BEC3E6-33@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <42BEB80B.ED9814E8@optonline.net> I have a little story of my own from yesterday .. related.. A friend came over His 2 boys of around 12 years old jumped out of his truck & headed into the garage & the first thing hey saw was this Rockola Tempo II 1960 vintage jukebox . It looks like the back of a car with fins , chrome and aqua colors Those kids stopped still in their tracks mouths went open and out came a slow w-o-w as they stared at it for a minute then they headed over to it & started touching the various parts of it etc. I explained a little about it .They looked around the garage a bit then came back to that jukebox . I got a kick out of how interested those little guys were in that thing Article: 317774 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: message to old farts in general Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:31:06 -0600 Message-ID: References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> so you claim the difference is obvious yet havent clarified one bit. ill ask the question for the second time in this thread: what exactly is this dense paper sound? how can the ear tell the difference between this dense paper sound and the sound from other types of capacitors? give me a simple test that i could perform on an amp and tell if it had paper caps or not please. randy Article: 317775 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:31:24 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Zenith Chairside 10-S-452 References: <3i7t6dFk6hq7U1@individual.net> Message-ID: <8b4f$42bed860$4232bd3d$988@COQUI.NET> Skycloud wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone advise me on this? I'm based in the UK and currently completing > the overhaul of a chairside Zenith 10-S-452 (c.1940). Ther set's all working > well and going together OK. However before re-fitting the speaker (which > faces outward from the 'chair') I've noticed something very odd. The > speaker fabric, placed at the front of the loudspeaker, is backed by a piece > of card - totally blocking (to my mind) the main sound beam from the > speaker. > Hi, I rcvd my 10-S-452 sans speaker so I can't be 100% certain how it was originally. Mine has cardboard backing for the 2 curved side portions and it is original carboard since there is a Zenith label on one piece. The center portion does not have anything there. Good luck with it. Its a great radio. -Bill Article: 317776 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: message to old farts in general References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:55:09 GMT xrongor wrote: > so you claim the difference is obvious yet havent clarified one bit. ill > ask the question for the second time in this thread: I'll take a reasoned guess at this. Paper dielectric capacitors have leakage. This can be modeled as a shunt resistance across a capacitor. In a low level circuit, meaning one without a large DC voltage across it, it will indeed effect the frequency response. Additionally, the physical construction of the capacitors... If they are loose, meaning that some physical movement affecting the spacing of the plates is possible, the total capacitance will vary. Again, this will affect the frequency response of the circuit. If the reason for the physical change in plate spacing is brought about by a varying amplitude, that will change the frequency response of the circuit dependent on the amplitude. In the case of a guitar pickup circuit, you could approximate the effect of the leakage by putting a variable resistance from, say, 1 Meg to 10 Meg across the capacitor. This would probably bring about some subtle change to the response that you might be able to hear. Certainly a measurable quantity that can be measured with proper test equipment. However... The effects of varying capacitance brought about by a physical change in plate spacing versus signal amplitude would be minuscule and probably unmeasurable. Unless the capacitor were to be extremely loose. At this point, it would no longer be the same physical condition it was when it was new. The technique of using a varying amplitude to vary the value of a capacitor is not new. In the 1940s, it was common in RF sweep generators to affix one side of a variable capacitor to a voice coil arrangement to electrically alter the resonant frequency of an oscillator. The ratio of minimum to maximum capacitance was several orders of magnitude greater though, than the changes that might be brought about in a wound paper dielectric capacitor. Lastly, there is the ESR, or equivalent series resistance. The newer capacitors have a much lower ESR compared to the older paper dielectric capacitors. This in turn also affects the way they respond in frequency sensitive circuits. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317777 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> <42BEE345.438CBB23@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:57:24 GMT In article <42BEE345.438CBB23@hotmail.com>, w_tom1@hotmail.com says... > > >A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. > Agreed.... I forgot to mention in my explaination of the grounding system that is in place here... thats the "Work Part" ... installed 100 of those wonderful 8 foot plus ground rods.. fortunately I worked for a stainless steel mill ... so my rods are all 304 stainless steel. Connected with 1200 feet of 3/8" ID Copper tubing. Unfortunately the only solid way to fasten a copper tube to a stainless rod is "Silver Solder" and an acetylene torch... that stuff is expensive! The idea here is that the ground rods take 90% of the direct hit and all the polyphaser devices eat up the other 10%... John k9uwa Article: 317778 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:51:59 GMT Seems like lately we are in the restore Walton Business... http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/waltonlitter.jpg 5 of the 6 cabinets are done.. one is still just as it came in the door... John k9uwa Article: 317779 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Skycloud" Subject: Re: Zenith Chairside 10-S-452 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:52:42 +0100 Message-ID: <3i8fcpFkcr1aU1@individual.net> References: <3i7t6dFk6hq7U1@individual.net> "-ex-" wrote in message news:8b4f$42bed860$4232bd3d$988@COQUI.NET... > > Hi, > I rcvd my 10-S-452 sans speaker so I can't be 100% certain how it was > originally. Mine has cardboard backing for the 2 curved side portions > and it is original carboard since there is a Zenith label on one piece. > The center portion does not have anything there. > > Good luck with it. Its a great radio. > > -Bill "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:JO-dnZCIjquJfyPfRVn-tQ@comcast.com... > That speaker board is wrong. I know in other > Zenith sets there are multiple boards of same size, since the speaker will > face out one side and the other is just a cloth side with a solid board, ie > 9-S-367, and several of the chairsides in particular. Sounds like either > the boards got switched inside the set or from another set. > > Mark Oppat Thanks chaps. I've removed the speaker blocking-board and it now is evident this was a recent mod done when the new cloth was installed. The cloth from this fake board has now been detached and used to back up the speaker grille directly, which is presumably as originally intended. And yes, you're right Bill - truly it is a great radio. :-) Steve www.copycoder.com www.radiocraft.co.uk Article: 317780 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in PHX" References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:54:11 -0700 I can tell you that as soon as a ne cap comes in the house, it gets stuck on the digital cap checker and a fine tip sharpie is applied, giving the reading!!! sure saves time latter on down the road, when I drop the plastic tray full of them on the floor!!!! or knock the tray over on the bench.. or.... You get the point.. I agree that resistors should be printed on (like the big sand resistors are!!) bob in phx.... "xrongor" wrote in message news:d9kodh$bsdk$1@news3.infoave.net... > > "Ken Scharf" wrote in message > news:6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net... >> Rick wrote: >>> "xrongor" wrote in message >>> news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... >>> >>>>it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the >>> >>> values on >>> >>>>things these days without some stuipid color code. >>>> >>>>randy >>> >>> >>> Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) >>> >>> >> Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? >> or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? > > which is exactly my point. why put some stupid coded number on it when > you can just put 47K or 23 or 10M. same with caps. whats so hard about > putting .047mF on the cap like they do with electrolitics.. > > i just dont get it at all. > > randy > Article: 317781 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Is this console worth the price? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <42bcbf31$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:10:18 GMT In article <42bcbf31$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>, pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com says... > > >Some ninny slathered the thing with nasty streaky >brown paint > >Thanks muchly >Regards, Paul > > Betting that nasty brown stuff will strip off and be just fine underneath with a little refinish operation. I just loaded a Silvertone 4487 into the trailer for the trip to Lansing yesterday ... this one is complete but alas it has a broken gold mirror dial ... all there... just a couple of cracks in it... cabinet needs a strip and refinish job ... price on it will be right at Lansing .. along with quite a few more consoles... wife says we have to unload some stuff out of the garage! John k9uwa Article: 317782 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:56:07 -0400 "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:zHDve.92243$x96.82554@attbi_s72... > Seems like lately we are in the restore Walton Business... > > http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/waltonlitter.jpg > > 5 of the 6 cabinets are done.. one is still just as it came in > the door... > > John k9uwa > That's because you buy every other one on eBay??? Pete Article: 317783 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: saki Subject: Broken drive belt for Zenith 10S690 Date: 26 Jun 2005 22:01:53 GMT Message-ID: I think this is the drive belt---the rubber belt that drives the tuning mechanism along with the dial string. The string is fine but the belt snapped recently. Are these easy to replace or find? Or can we use any compatible belt in its place? The belt has been glued in the past and has worked for a time but it's broken at least twice. I'm not even sure how to install a replacement but am willing to try. And suggestions? ---- saki@ucla.edu Article: 317784 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Broken drive belt for Zenith 10S690 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:09:28 GMT In article , saki@ucla.edu says... > > >I'm not even sure how to install a replacement but >am willing to try. And suggestions? > >---- >saki@ucla.edu Any Old Belt... even a New Old Stock one will break in a short time. We use Rubber O-ring material to replace the belt with. Most hardware stores will have rubber O-rings... just buy a large one that is 1/8" in diameter rubber... next stop at your local Hobby Shop and buy a bottle of special "Tire Glue" this stuff is Super Glue in a special formula made for gluing rubber... the model guys use it to make little rubber tires on their model cars... You now need a single edged razorblade or some other very sharp knife to get a good square cut on the rubber... cut it to 1/2" LESS than the length you need to go around the large pulley and the main tuning shaft ... put your new belt around the main tuning shaft and put one small drop of that superglue on each freshly cut end .... now hold tightly those ends together for 2 minutes to let the glue set up.. then roll it around the large pulley and you will be done... While your in that radio if it hasn't already been done... please replace all those old nasty looking wax capacitors... John k9uwa Article: 317785 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:11:38 GMT In article , radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM says... > > >That's because you buy every other one on eBay??? > >Pete > > Hi Pete.... you can have the next one that comes up... every one of those in that picture... well one is my own that never got its lacquer toners... so Jean did it while doing up the rest of the batch... but all the other 5 of them already have new homes as soon as I get all the chassis for them finished up.. John k9uwa Article: 317786 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:13:09 -0400 "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:uKFve.93591$_o.23453@attbi_s71... > In article , > radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM says... > > > > > >That's because you buy every other one on eBay??? > > > >Pete > > > > > Hi Pete.... you can have the next one that comes up... every one > of those in that picture... well one is my own that never got > its lacquer toners... so Jean did it while doing up the rest of > the batch... but all the other 5 of them already have new homes > as soon as I get all the chassis for them finished up.. > > John k9uwa Hi John, you forgot I already have a 9s. Only need one! Too much other stuff to buy it siblings!! Pete > Article: 317787 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: saki Subject: Re: Broken drive belt for Zenith 10S690 Date: 26 Jun 2005 22:27:31 GMT Message-ID: References: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) wrote in news:sIFve.93584$_o.88106@attbi_s71: > While your in that radio if it hasn't already been done... please > replace all those old nasty looking wax capacitors... Thanks, John. Caps have already been done. I appreciate the advice and will give it a try. ---- saki@ucla.edu Article: 317788 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Broken drive belt for Zenith 10S690 References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:38:26 GMT saki wrote: > Thanks, John. Caps have already been done. I appreciate the advice and will > give it a try. By the way, how's that Chicago record player coming along? Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317789 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> <42BEE345.438CBB23@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:39:40 -0400 "w_tom" wrote in message news:42BEE345.438CBB23@hotmail.com... > others. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. > You've been harping this tripe for YEARS on every newsgroup, and you still don't know the difference between foreign longitudinal vs. traverse voltages. An earth ground isn't protection for tranverse voltage spikes. These must be clamped (absorbed) by the protective device. Secondary protection devices is layered protection. You can still have induced voltage spikes are the main whole house/common point ground. Article: 317790 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: saki Subject: Re: Broken drive belt for Zenith 10S690 Date: 26 Jun 2005 22:49:56 GMT Message-ID: References: Jeffrey D Angus wrote in news:C7Gve.50511$ya2.16105@tornado.socal.rr.com: > saki wrote: >> Thanks, John. Caps have already been done. I appreciate the advice >> and will give it a try. > > By the way, how's that Chicago record player coming along? Done, installed, works very well. I'm amazed you remembered! You and John and so many other folks here have been so helpful and encouraging. ---- saki@ucla.edu Article: 317791 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Broken drive belt for Zenith 10S690 References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:53:21 GMT saki wrote: > Jeffrey D Angus wrote: >> >>By the way, how's that Chicago record player coming along? > > > Done, installed, works very well. I'm amazed you remembered! I have a very good memory for details. Much to the annoyance of those tha continually change thier stories. ;-) > You and John > and so many other folks here have been so helpful and encouraging. > > ---- > saki@ucla.edu That's why we're here. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317792 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Selph" Subject: Columbia Wind Up Disk Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:06:50 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C57A79.D397CE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, A recent search for information turned up this group so I thought I'd post my question in hopes that someone can help. I have a Columbia Model 601 cabinet type disk phonograph. Mechanically, I've got it back in shape. The problem is that it's missing the front door, and the cabinet top has been replaced with a piece of masonite. I'd like to get a photo or drawing of this machine that shows the design of the top and the doors. What makes this odd is that it appears the front door is a one piece unit that pulls outward from the top, pivots at the bottom, and slides into a recess under the player. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C57A79.D397CE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
    A recent search for information = turned up=20 this group so I thought I'd post my question in hopes that someone can=20 help.  I have a Columbia Model 601 cabinet type disk = phonograph. =20 Mechanically, I've got it back in shape.  The problem is that it's = missing=20 the front door, and the cabinet top has been replaced with a piece of=20 masonite.  I'd like to get a photo or drawing of this machine that = shows=20 the design of the top and the doors.  What makes this odd is that = it=20 appears the front door is a one piece unit that pulls outward from the = top,=20 pivots at the bottom, and slides into a recess under the = player.
Any assistance would be greatly = appreciated.
Thanks,
   John
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C57A79.D397CE60-- Article: 317793 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Broken drive belt for Zenith 10S690 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:33:11 -0400 "saki" wrote in message news:Xns96819DE21E407sakuclaedu@130.133.1.4... > k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) wrote in > news:sIFve.93584$_o.88106@attbi_s71: > > > While your in that radio if it hasn't already been done... please > > replace all those old nasty looking wax capacitors... > > Thanks, John. Caps have already been done. I appreciate the advice and will > give it a try. > > ---- > saki@ucla.edu Square belting is available from www.radiodaze.com and works well. Pete Article: 317794 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: message to old farts in general Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:40:16 -0600 Message-ID: References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:hSCve.23689$h86.15287@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > xrongor wrote: > >> so you claim the difference is obvious yet havent clarified one bit. ill >> ask the question for the second time in this thread: > > I'll take a reasoned guess at this. you guys are missing the point. helps if you dont snip the question(s) you are trying to answer.... but i asked three questions last post. its easy to get confused. let me simplify it down to one question. and since truegrid is championing paper caps, i would REALLY like to hear what he has to say about it.... so here goes. one question. ***QUESTION COMING***** ***ALMOST HERE**** ***HERE IT IS**** if i were to take the 'pepsi challenge' with two identical amps, one that had newer caps and one with older caps, what exactly would i be listening for that would give away which is the paper cap one? ***END OF QUESTION*** answers like 'one sounds more metallic' are meaningless. im not sure what 'more metallic' sounds like. answers like 'the cap leaks and has more shunt resistance' or 'unless you have gold wire it wont matter' dont really answer the question i am asking. randy Article: 317795 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <17443-42BBF4B3-1@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net> <8cWue.85620$x96.337@attbi_s72> <1119731014.242996.120500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: They aren't all Black Beauties Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:05:37 GMT "Porky" wrote in message news:1119731014.242996.120500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... | Don't worry. | Serious guitar pickers who travel and play in public get new caps put | into their vintage amps. Only a fool would head to a gig with an amp | full of rotten paper cigars, especially with 450 vdc on them. | | John K They also use solid state effect boxes so they can sound like band ECCCCHs and run the finest equipment they can afford to accurately reproduce that "crappy" sound : ) You do realize they have emulators for old Synthesizer waveforms that cost a fortune? Article: 317796 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Sparky" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Subject: Re: message to old farts in general Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:06:17 GMT "truegridtz" wrote in message news:42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org... > Why don't you paranoid old buttheads just shut up with the wiseman shit. > > This is not YOUR newsgroup. ANTIQUES is what it says. > > Stop entertaining your sick feeble minds with this newsgroup cop routine. > > Nobody looks up to you. Fixing old radios is not science. You poor pathetic little boy! I feel sorry for you in your insecurity. Do you still live at home and let mommy dress you? > > Time and time again you stinkers start this shit. It is YOU that is full of > subjective crap. > > You said: ""truegridtz" if you're happy with your hobby then I'm happy for > you. > There's no right or wrong here (well, there is but I'm trying to take > the High Road and to be friendly). Unfortunately, this isn't the best > venue to be promoting the superiority of paper caps...any paper > caps...since we collectively must throw out a mop-bucket ..." > > So just what is my hobby? Are you trying to run me off of YOUR newsgroup. > Did I say they were superior? I said that they are DIFFERENT and it is > understandable that some people want them because of the way they sound. > > I overhaul antique phonographs. You know Philcos etc. I don't use old > paper caps. I throw them all away and use plastic except when I overhaul my > own gear and then I use Arco paper/mylar because I like the sound. Is that > OK with you? > > YOU said: "I'm glad you like them but in dealing with "electronics people" > you > won't find many people here that will agree. Electronics People have a > reputation for having a tin-ear." > > Much more of your self-serving and subjective crap. Many "electronics" > people who know far more than you, overhaul vintage amplifiers. See heading > "antiques phono". They do not have tin ears. > > So you are assuming what? Who has appointed you the spokeman for a > WORLDWIDE newsgroup. > > Year after year you old buttheads start persecuting people on this > newsgroup. There is a lot that you don't know about most everything, > including paper capacitors. Many of them are still perfectly good. > > Why don't old stinkers just give it a rest. Just shut up and build your > damned radios. If you don't like the conversation, just go away. PLEASE, > don't snake in with the little polite yet inflammatory comments that your > butthead buddies will use to start these entertaining little fights. I have > watched this crap for years. JUST STOP IT. Mark > > Article: 317797 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:40:12 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: message to old farts in general References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <4ca7e$42bf4aef$4232bd1f$30826@COQUI.NET> xrongor wrote: > > you guys are missing the point. helps if you dont snip the question(s) you > are trying to answer.... > > but i asked three questions last post. its easy to get confused. let me > simplify it down to one question. and since truegrid is championing paper > caps, i would REALLY like to hear what he has to say about it.... > > so here goes. one question. > > ***QUESTION COMING***** > ***ALMOST HERE**** > ***HERE IT IS**** > > if i were to take the 'pepsi challenge' with two identical amps, one that > had newer caps and one with older caps, what exactly would i be listening > for that would give away which is the paper cap one? > > ***END OF QUESTION*** > > answers like 'one sounds more metallic' are meaningless. im not sure what > 'more metallic' sounds like. answers like 'the cap leaks and has more shunt > resistance' or 'unless you have gold wire it wont matter' dont really answer > the question i am asking. > > randy > > OP already explained it: >What is a DENSE PAPER SOUND?? "DENSE PAPER SOUND? Simply a spontaneous descriptive phrase indicating a capacitor that has the paper sound. There is a lot of paper in it." Yogi Berra couldn't have answered it better. -Bill Article: 317798 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: David Stinson Subject: Re: message to old farts in general References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <4ca7e$42bf4aef$4232bd1f$30826@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:00:33 GMT Bill/All: Have you seen the latest issue of "Skeptic" Magazine http://www.skeptic.com/ with the article about our dear "golden ear" friends? The cover blurb is "Audio Scams" and the article is titled: "AudioPhoolery." Need I say more? Article: 317799 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:49:59 -0700 Message-ID: <28902-42BF4D37-379@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: Pete, When you say 'transverse voltage spikes' you mean transient spikes, right? 'Transverse' kinda carries the connotation of polarization (as in horiz. or vertical polarization). Thought mebbe you were tryin' to pull a 'Randy'.g>:-) Bill(oc) Article: 317800 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <4ca7e$42bf4aef$4232bd1f$30826@COQUI.NET> Subject: Re: message to old farts in general Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:23:23 GMT "-ex-" wrote in message news:4ca7e$42bf4aef$4232bd1f$30826@COQUI.NET... | xrongor wrote: | | | > | > you guys are missing the point. helps if you dont snip the question(s) you | > are trying to answer.... | > | > but i asked three questions last post. its easy to get confused. let me | > simplify it down to one question. and since truegrid is championing paper | > caps, i would REALLY like to hear what he has to say about it.... | > | > so here goes. one question. | > | > ***QUESTION COMING***** | > ***ALMOST HERE**** | > ***HERE IT IS**** | > | > if i were to take the 'pepsi challenge' with two identical amps, one that | > had newer caps and one with older caps, what exactly would i be listening | > for that would give away which is the paper cap one? | > | > ***END OF QUESTION*** | > | > answers like 'one sounds more metallic' are meaningless. im not sure what | > 'more metallic' sounds like. answers like 'the cap leaks and has more shunt | > resistance' or 'unless you have gold wire it wont matter' dont really answer | > the question i am asking. | > | > randy | > | > | OP already explained it: | | >What is a DENSE PAPER SOUND?? | | "DENSE PAPER SOUND? | | Simply a spontaneous descriptive phrase indicating a capacitor that has | the paper sound. There is a lot of paper in it." | | Yogi Berra couldn't have answered it better. | | -Bill Yogi might say, "He's very fluent in confusion" Article: 317801 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" Subject: Clough-Brengle web page updates Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:39:02 GMT http://cloughbrengle.homestead.com/ I've made some updates to the Clough-Brengle web page. There's a new addition to the collection and I added two photos of Clough-Brengle factories, one inside view and one outside view. I've got another new piece to finish cleaning up and then I take some shots of it, and there are 2 more that should be here in tomorrow's mail which will bring the collection to 15 pieces of Clough-Brengle equipment. There's also a C-B O-scope coming soon. Thanks to Lou deGonzague I also have a new 1940 C-B full line catalog that's by far the best of the nearly a dozen I already had. Check it out if you're interested. Ron Ron Lawrence, kc4yoy (Curmudgeon in training) POBox 3015 Matthews, NC 28106-3015 704-289-1166 (home) kc4yoy(at)carolina.rr.com Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com Article: 317802 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: message to old farts in general Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:00:02 -0600 Message-ID: References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <4ca7e$42bf4aef$4232bd1f$30826@COQUI.NET> "-ex-" wrote in message news:4ca7e$42bf4aef$4232bd1f$30826@COQUI.NET... > xrongor wrote: > > >> >> you guys are missing the point. helps if you dont snip the question(s) >> you are trying to answer.... >> >> but i asked three questions last post. its easy to get confused. let me >> simplify it down to one question. and since truegrid is championing >> paper caps, i would REALLY like to hear what he has to say about it.... >> >> so here goes. one question. >> >> ***QUESTION COMING***** >> ***ALMOST HERE**** >> ***HERE IT IS**** >> >> if i were to take the 'pepsi challenge' with two identical amps, one that >> had newer caps and one with older caps, what exactly would i be listening >> for that would give away which is the paper cap one? >> >> ***END OF QUESTION*** >> >> answers like 'one sounds more metallic' are meaningless. im not sure >> what 'more metallic' sounds like. answers like 'the cap leaks and has >> more shunt resistance' or 'unless you have gold wire it wont matter' dont >> really answer the question i am asking. >> >> randy > OP already explained it: > > >What is a DENSE PAPER SOUND?? > > "DENSE PAPER SOUND? > > Simply a spontaneous descriptive phrase indicating a capacitor that has > the paper sound. There is a lot of paper in it." > > Yogi Berra couldn't have answered it better. ah yes. i can hear it now.... randy Article: 317803 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:52:31 -0500 Message-ID: <37ltb1l48cb5rh5vsslfecvecvfchc4r9k@4ax.com> References: On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:08:31 GMT "Gary Tayman" wrote: >So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would >be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is >this some new standard for China or someplace? Yes, they are 3 digits plus a multiplier. A natural extension of the original system for use in 1% resistors. They've been around for decades; look in any medium old Tektronix equipment from the 60s or later. - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- Article: 317804 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:52:31 -0500 Message-ID: References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> <228e8$42bde4be$82a12456$13774@news1.tudelft.nl> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:21:04 GMT Jeffrey D Angus wrote: >maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote: > >> Ken Scharf wrote: >> >>>Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? >>>or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? >> >> >> 10k, 12k, 1300 ohms... > >That's the rub. 1K3 is 1.3 1k3 is 1300 Ohms. 1R3 is 1.3 Ohms. 1M3 is 1.3 MOhms. - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- Article: 317805 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:52:32 -0500 Message-ID: References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:13:18 -0600 "xrongor" wrote: >which is exactly my point. why put some stupid coded number on it when you >can just put 47K or 23 or 10M. same with caps. whats so hard about putting >.047mF on the cap like they do with electrolitics.. > >i just dont get it at all. I find that the really cryptic stuff only seems to appear when the component gets too small to carry the more wordy description. Aluminum electrolytics almost always get the longhand version, but the little monolithic ceramics get the labels that require my reading glasses. For the most part, I think this is reasonable. Most of us are going to recognize that a cap marked 103 is not likely to be 103 pF, but this gets tough when the marking is 100: Is this 100 pF or 10 x 10^0 (10 pF). Unfortunately, I've seen it both ways. I agree, however, that this is something that one learns from experience and that beginners will always find it difficult. But then if everyone understood all of electronics from the beginning, where would the challenge be? Do you remember wondering why anyone chose the Farad to be so big that we had to measure useful capacitors in millionths or millionths of millionths of a Farad? - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- Article: 317806 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:21:17 -0400 John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > Seems like lately we are in the restore Walton Business... > > http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/waltonlitter.jpg > > 5 of the 6 cabinets are done.. one is still just as it came in > the door... > > John k9uwa > Wow! You do nice woodwork there John. Article: 317807 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls References: <_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05> Message-ID: <6qJve.7247$gr.2195@bignews1.bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:24:03 -0400 xrongor wrote: > " Uncle Peter" wrote in message > news:_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05... > >>"xrongor" wrote in message >>news:d9kk1t$bq5m$1@news3.infoave.net... >> >>> > we talked about it some more after reading the responses, and decided >> >>50$ >> >>>for the lot. dont see how i could go too far wrong for that. >>> >>>well, im off to sort through the goody box! >>> >>>thx >>>randy >>> >>> >> >>Five cents each? You did okay! > > > less than that. now that ive done a preliminary dig through the boxes, ive > got 1065 tubes. > > now that ive gone through the box i feel a little bad for paying so little, > but hey. i took my chances. there are 4 brand new in the box sylvania > 1L6's in there for starters. and at least 100 tubes for which i currently > own something they could be used in. and many many tubes for which i have > no idea what they are for, although it doesnt take much to stump me... > > this was my first score of a mass of tubes and i am very happy! > > randy > > I hope those 1L6's are really NIB and not just pulls stuffed into the box that the replacement came in. (Were the boxes sealed?) Still a very good buy, should keep you in spare tubes for a while and keep the tube tester busy. Article: 317808 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:05:50 -0600 Message-ID: References: <_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05> <6qJve.7247$gr.2195@bignews1.bellsouth.net> "Ken Scharf" wrote in message news:6qJve.7247$gr.2195@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > xrongor wrote: >> " Uncle Peter" wrote in message >> news:_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05... >> >>>"xrongor" wrote in message >>>news:d9kk1t$bq5m$1@news3.infoave.net... >>> >>>> > we talked about it some more after reading the responses, and decided >>> >>>50$ >>> >>>>for the lot. dont see how i could go too far wrong for that. >>>> >>>>well, im off to sort through the goody box! >>>> >>>>thx >>>>randy >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Five cents each? You did okay! >> >> >> less than that. now that ive done a preliminary dig through the boxes, >> ive got 1065 tubes. >> >> now that ive gone through the box i feel a little bad for paying so >> little, but hey. i took my chances. there are 4 brand new in the box >> sylvania 1L6's in there for starters. and at least 100 tubes for which i >> currently own something they could be used in. and many many tubes for >> which i have no idea what they are for, although it doesnt take much to >> stump me... >> >> this was my first score of a mass of tubes and i am very happy! >> >> randy > I hope those 1L6's are really NIB and not just pulls stuffed into the > box that the replacement came in. (Were the boxes sealed?) Still a very > good buy, should keep you in spare tubes for a while and keep the tube > tester busy. boxes dont look like they've been opened, but they arent 'sealed'. same boxes as the sylvania boxes in auction 6540460023 but the brand printed on the tube matches the box, correct size and pinout, and all 4 tubes look alike and clean. its promising... but there is one really odd thing. the tubes themselves, while they all look the same, do NOT have 1L6 printed on them. in fact several of the sylvania tubes dont have any number on them that corrisponds to the tube type. there is a number though, i imagine with the right catalog i could cross reference them... the number on these is 252, printed vertically to the right of the words 'sylvania' and 'made in usa'. any thoughts? randy Article: 317809 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Broken drive belt for Zenith 10S690 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1119838270.254766.149570@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:18:43 GMT In article <1119838270.254766.149570@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, djep1@juno.com says... > > >Usually you can install them with some dissasembly of >the dial and tuning shaft.. > Yup but the cut and glue takes a lot less time... and for me I buy the Rubber O-ring material in 100 foot lengths.. John k9uwa Article: 317810 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Zenith 9S262 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1117709815.299687.310870@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119839117.817705.250430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <8pKve.109241$nG6.16945@attbi_s22> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:30:12 GMT In article <1119839117.817705.250430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, garyb@citicom.com says... > > >Progress report on this. Yes both belts... same o-ring material that I use on all the rest of the Zeniths... BUT on the Motor one... do NOT get it tight... much better for the motor if the belt actually slips a little as the motor takes off ... there is a little adjustment of motor position ... it all needs to run very free... 2nd item.... have had serious bad results from the Candohm resistor in this model chassis that anymore I just regularily replace the whole works with new individual resistors... if you check yours and it is OK now... maybe not a big deal since your keeping the radio you can always open it up and fix it if the critter opens up later... 3rd item... AC line needs to be dropped a bit on this one... 20 ohms at 25 or 30 watts is fine... and be sure you ONLY get it in the tranformer primary and NOT in the motor leads.. 4th item... the shutter dial... take it off the radio... and remove the two movable shutters... clean the two steel pins with fine emory paper ... one small drop of fine machine oil on each pin and reinstall shutters.... if you did it all right... with NO springs reinstalled on the shutters... holding it upright position the shutters will fall open on their own and come close to closing if you invert the dial... Super Nice radio.... enjoy it!... John k9uwa Article: 317811 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:32:37 GMT In article , wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net says... > > >> >> John k9uwa >> >Wow! You do nice woodwork there John. Not Me.... Not My Job Man.... thats Jeans job... everytime I stick my nose in her cabinet shop and lip off.... I regret it later... She does the cabinets... I just do the guts! John k9uwa From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Tue Jun 28 08:46:59 EDT 2005 Article: 317812 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: Check out this "Thai TransOceanic" References: Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 19 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:32:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1119843166 66.65.49.245 (Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:32:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:32:46 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317812 In article , Phil Nelson wrote: > Wouldn't it be fun to find one of these and get it working? Or just picture > people in a remote Thai community of the 1950s sitting in a circle and > listening to programs from far away. I'm surprised it's in such good cosmetic condition. You think those sets would display signs of living a very hard life. Missing knobs, make-shift controls and replacement pots in extra drilled holes in the face-plate, etc. The ubiquitous rust.... Wonder how many of those are left in Thailand? -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 317813 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:47:10 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: message to old farts in general References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <4ca7e$42bf4aef$4232bd1f$30826@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: <9ab24$42bf76c2$4232bd1f$31387@COQUI.NET> xrongor wrote: >>OP already explained it: >> >> >>>What is a DENSE PAPER SOUND?? >> >>"DENSE PAPER SOUND? >> >>Simply a spontaneous descriptive phrase indicating a capacitor that has >>the paper sound. There is a lot of paper in it." >> >>Yogi Berra couldn't have answered it better. > > > ah yes. i can hear it now.... > > randy > > Seriously...and with all due respect to Mark, truegridtz,...this is a classic example of where audiophile claims can't avoid taking a bashing. I know Mark has done a fair share of reliable (and repeatable and helpful) investigation in regard to identifying leakage in the various old paper caps and has posted his findings accordingly. I don't think anybody would find fault with his technical findings...and in all fairness, the original topic title was that all Black Beauties aren't the same. We rehash that regularly enough and Mark's findings concur with everybody elses. He doesn't speak without having some first-hand research on cap failure and leakage traits. Where the topic winds south is with outlandish claims that a paper vs mylar cap behaves like an acoustic device and that everybody else must have damaged hearing if they don't recognize it. No mention of coupling or bypass applications...simply that paper sounds better...or denser. Thats the point at which one better pony up some proof and in 70-80 years of capacitor manufacturing...with many heads better than mine, yours or Mark's...there's not simply some mysterious trait that they have all overlooked because they were "old farts" and couldn't think outside the box. If one wants to challenge physics and decades of performance with statements like the aforementioned or "Some people don't care about what the spec sheet says. They want the sound that they like. BB caps have a lot of paper" then they come off sounding like a county fair Fortune Teller squealing as they are carried off by the Bunko Squad. Just the facts, ma'am. The audio world is full of challenges because by its nature it attracts people who have the aural sensitivity to pick out aspects that a casual listener may not discern and I give wide breadth to them. To that same end, there's also a very huge power of suggestion inside the circle. If it can't be proven then its subject to challenge. Mark's hostile/infantile reaction to challenge isn't atypical when one has no basis to back up their claims other than their own perceptions. (State mental hospitals are full of such excesses). Mark, it ain't personal and I don't own Usenet or speak for anybody else. My suggestion is that this particular forum is not one that would applaud your claims unless you have some facts to support your claims. -Bill Article: 317814 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: message to old farts in general Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:11:25 -0600 Message-ID: References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <4ca7e$42bf4aef$4232bd1f$30826@COQUI.NET> <9ab24$42bf76c2$4232bd1f$31387@COQUI.NET> im not trying to flame the guy either. im just looking for a better explanation than 'metallic' or 'warmer' which dont mean much to me... personally ive heard tube amps with both types of caps sound both horrible and good. i havent seen any evidence that you could take a crappy (not broken, just crappy) sounding amp and make it sound better by changing the caps. imho, modifying or adding a tone control seems far more important than the caps... the only thing i will say for paper caps is this. if you have an old amp with paper caps that sounds great, that you probably shouldnt touch anything. not because the paper caps are any better, but because some component is partially failing or not performing as it should, and creating a mythic sound. i.e. pleasant distortion. although it is just as likely it is creating unpleasant distortion. but such things are subjective. this, in my opinion is the crux of the paper cap issue. pleasant distortion. replacing the failing caps with other caps, regardless of what they are made of, is probably going to change the sound. for some, no matter what that new sound is, because it is different it will always be worse. even if its better. but such things are subjective. so im not saying paper caps are better or worse per se. what i am saying is that since 'sounds good' is subjective, i do not believe that paper caps are inherantly better than other types. there are just too many variables in the 'sounds good' equation. randy > Mark, it ain't personal and I don't own Usenet or speak for anybody else. > My suggestion is that this particular forum is not one that would applaud > your claims unless you have some facts to support your claims. > > -Bill > Article: 317815 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: Dead channel in Fisher 800B receiver Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:26:11 GMT "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:Yp-dnfpDKOdNOyLfRVn-ow@giganews.com... | One of the stereo channels in my Fisher 800B receiver died. I cleaned the | volume control pot, balance pot, and every other control in sight with | DeOxit. I checked the dual pot on the volume control and both pots show the | same results on an ohmmeter. | | The 7591 output tubes and all 12AX7 (f'rinstance, phase inverter) tubes all | test OK. I even swapped 7591 and 12AX7 tubes around in case my cruddy tube | tester speaks with forked tongue. | | A few years ago, I replaced the audio coupling caps and installed 10-ohm | "safety" resistors on pin 5 of each of the 7591 output tubes. Those | components still test OK. | | I suppose there's something obvious that I should try next. So what is it? | :-) Broken speaker wire or shorted speaker connectors? Article: 317816 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119622351.379539.207760@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119640528.976147.93080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119858570.972492.293230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: ebay-fake? Message-ID: <9KOve.1292$S17.206151@monger.newsread.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:25:41 GMT "saintnick" wrote in message news:1119858570.972492.293230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... | I agree, look at the e-mail I've got: | | "i am contacting you because you was interested in my auction wich | ended with a winner.Unfortunately the winning bidder refuses to pay so | i still have it for sale if you are still interested.So please send me | an email if you are and maybe we can work something out." | | I think there is not much to say! Nope, except eBay disapproves of his behavior and it won't honor any protection programs he tries to claim against if they figure it out. Extremely stupid way to out yourself as a fraud to the community. Article: 317817 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Skycloud" Subject: Re: Zenith Chairside 10-S-452 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:28:41 +0100 Message-ID: <3i9rm5Fkc2fbU1@individual.net> References: <3i7t6dFk6hq7U1@individual.net> <3i8fcpFkcr1aU1@individual.net> "DaveW" wrote in message news:oTJve.6913$4M1.1694@trnddc07... > Just a note since you are working on the chasis of a radio that IIRC > uses 2 6X5G rectifier tubes. These tubes are know to short > unpredictably, and take the main transformer with them. The common > precaution is to bypass them with solid state diodes. You can leave the > heaters hooked up for looks if you want. > > Of course since you are dealing with 230 volt mains in the UK, the radio > is most likely running off a step down transformer already. The common > thought seems to be that Zenith power transformers are a bit undersized, > and run better at 110 volts than 120. Let the heat generated by your guide. > Useful comments... The set's owner will run this off his own 110-volt supply so it's being supplied with a new mains lead and American flat-pinned plug. I had already noticed that the mains transformer runs a little on the warm side (and the ventilation inside this set isn't of the best either). Since you don't have fuses in the plugs, I always add an internal in-line fuse as standard to US sets, and also a 60ºC thermal reset to the transformer case. I think the real issue of concern though is the mains frequency here, which is 50Hz not 60Hz. As I understand it, all US-made transformered sets will therefore run hotter than intended. Comments? Steve www.copycoder.com www.radiocraft.co.uk Article: 317818 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Dead channel in Fisher 800B receiver References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:35:37 GMT Phil Nelson wrote: > I suppose there's something obvious that I should try next. So what is it? > :-) First, a simple voltage check on all the tube sockets. Left vs right. Then an oscilloscope to see where the signal disappears. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317819 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: A Mystery in Ohio Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:17:00 +0900 Message-ID: References: <11bk2qlk4grjua3@corp.supernews.com> " Hagstar" <" Hagstar"@att.net> wrote in message news:11bk2qlk4grjua3@corp.supernews.com... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=7330688394&rd=1 > -- > Please repair address to reply, thanks > > John H. > On the West Coast of New England In the pile off to the left.. is that an old round tube b/w chassis with tube?? Article: 317820 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DumpsterDiver" References: Subject: Re: Another Unusual 1920's Radio Tuner, Rathbun Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:32:01 GMT Thanks for the responses! DD Article: 317821 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <3i7t6dFk6hq7U1@individual.net> <3i8fcpFkcr1aU1@individual.net> <3i9rm5Fkc2fbU1@individual.net> Subject: Re: Zenith Chairside 10-S-452 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:40:44 GMT "Skycloud" wrote in message news:3i9rm5Fkc2fbU1@individual.net... | | | "DaveW" wrote in message | news:oTJve.6913$4M1.1694@trnddc07... | > Just a note since you are working on the chasis of a radio that IIRC | > uses 2 6X5G rectifier tubes. These tubes are know to short | > unpredictably, and take the main transformer with them. The common | > precaution is to bypass them with solid state diodes. You can leave the | > heaters hooked up for looks if you want. | > | > Of course since you are dealing with 230 volt mains in the UK, the radio | > is most likely running off a step down transformer already. The common | > thought seems to be that Zenith power transformers are a bit undersized, | > and run better at 110 volts than 120. Let the heat generated by your | guide. | > | | Useful comments... The set's owner will run this off his own 110-volt supply | so it's being supplied with a new mains lead and American flat-pinned plug. | I had already noticed that the mains transformer runs a little on the warm | side (and the ventilation inside this set isn't of the best either). Since | you don't have fuses in the plugs, I always add an internal in-line fuse as | standard to US sets, and also a 60ºC thermal reset to the transformer case. | | I think the real issue of concern though is the mains frequency here, which | is 50Hz not 60Hz. As I understand it, all US-made transformered sets will | therefore run hotter than intended. Comments? | | Steve | | www.copycoder.com | www.radiocraft.co.uk I think you've probably covered the issues well. You've possibly gone one step further than many here with the reset device, but it can't hurt now, can it? It's not every day one of these pops up... Article: 317822 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" Subject: Radio Advice Needed Message-ID: <1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:48:29 GMT A friend sent me these pictures. His co-worker wants to find a buyer for this radio. If nobody buys it, she's going to gut it and turn it into a cabinet. I'd like to make a reasonable offer without offending her. What model radio is this and what's a reasonable offer in unrestored condition? Pictures in binaries. -- Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios Article: 317823 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Dead channel in Fisher 800B receiver From: Jon Yaeger Message-ID: References: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:51:59 -0400 in article Yp-dnfpDKOdNOyLfRVn-ow@giganews.com, Phil Nelson at philnelson@nospam.xyz wrote on 6/27/05 3:12 AM: > One of the stereo channels in my Fisher 800B receiver died. I cleaned the > volume control pot, balance pot, and every other control in sight with > DeOxit. I checked the dual pot on the volume control and both pots show the > same results on an ohmmeter. > > The 7591 output tubes and all 12AX7 (f'rinstance, phase inverter) tubes all > test OK. I even swapped 7591 and 12AX7 tubes around in case my cruddy tube > tester speaks with forked tongue. > > A few years ago, I replaced the audio coupling caps and installed 10-ohm > "safety" resistors on pin 5 of each of the 7591 output tubes. Those > components still test OK. > > I suppose there's something obvious that I should try next. So what is it? > :-) > > Regards, > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html The 800b has a pair of thick jumpers located on the top of the chassis between the output tubes and the power transformer. Make sure both are present and making a good connection. You can remove them and inject a signal - you should get output on one of each pair. Or test the connection with a pair of RCA connectors. Failing that, I'd check for an open plate resistor. Jon Article: 317824 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Skycloud" Subject: Re: Zenith Chairside 10-S-452 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:52:04 +0100 Message-ID: <3iaekhFkmsp8U1@individual.net> References: <3i7t6dFk6hq7U1@individual.net> <3i8fcpFkcr1aU1@individual.net> <7tmdnRUI9scY5SLfRVn-oQ@comcast.com> "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:7tmdnRUI9scY5SLfRVn-oQ@comcast.com... > Dave, > > mostly the earlier 6X5G's are the worst, the later 6X5's are better. Better > yet, go with ONE 6AX5, it will replace the two 6X5 tubes, and they are cheap > and better made, for 60's B&W tv sets. > >-- My example's got one 5Y4 with the extra valve socket blanked off and disconnected. The HT drain measures 100mA. The heater voltage on the 5Y4 is correct at 5v. Could this be a factory mod then? Steve www.copycoder.com www.radiocraft.co.uk Article: 317825 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1119879454.311498.94250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Radio Advice Needed Message-ID: <1119883655.6f5f51e1de41dd759ca776795b389b70@teranews> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:47:30 -0500 You're good. It's a Majestic highboy, looks like it weighs about eight tons. Gorgeous bookmatched veneer on the doors. Seven tubes lined up across the back - three shielded, followed by what looks like a 27, two 45s and an 80. There wasn't a picture with the doors open though. Pix show the cabinet in nice physical condition. I'd expect to see it with a $100 price tag at a swap but personally wouldn't take it home for that price. Actually, I would be annoyed if I were in Jon's position - I'm not interested in making room for a set like this, but also wouldn't want to see it turned into a liquor cabinet. I suppose if it were me I'd try to convince her to take it to the local swap and see if somebody wants to take it home. Just my 2c (and that's about all it's worth, if that.....) -paul "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1119879454.311498.94250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Jon: > > About _any_ offer is reasonable if a liquor cabinet is the alternative. > Without seeing the radio, I am guessing that it is a console of some > sort, and an even wilder guess would suggest late 20s. As there is no > value (to her) in the chassis or the speaker, you are making your offer > based on the utility the set will provide as a liquor-cabinet or > similar. Take it from there, but I would start in the $50-75 range and > dicker like crazy. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 317826 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Radio Advice Needed Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:42:32 -0400 "Jon" wrote in message news:1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com... >A friend sent me these pictures. His co-worker wants to find a buyer for >this radio. If nobody buys it, she's going to gut it and turn it into a >cabinet. I'd like to make a reasonable offer without offending her. What >model radio is this and what's a reasonable offer in unrestored condition? > > Pictures in binaries. > > -- > Jon Scaptura > Endicott, NY > > See my antique radios here: > http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios It certainly is a striking cabinet! It looks like a late '20s unit. Is the name on the chassis in the back "Majestic"? Can't make it out. -- "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 317827 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1119879454.311498.94250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119883655.6f5f51e1de41dd759ca776795b389b70@teranews> Subject: Re: Radio Advice Needed Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:22:05 GMT "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:1119883655.6f5f51e1de41dd759ca776795b389b70@teranews... | You're good. It's a Majestic highboy, looks like it weighs about eight tons. | Gorgeous bookmatched veneer on the doors. Seven tubes lined up across the | back - three shielded, followed by what looks like a 27, two 45s and an 80. | There wasn't a picture with the doors open though. Pix show the cabinet in | nice physical condition. I'd expect to see it with a $100 price tag at a | swap but personally wouldn't take it home for that price. | | Actually, I would be annoyed if I were in Jon's position - I'm not | interested in making room for a set like this, but also wouldn't want to see | it turned into a liquor cabinet. I suppose if it were me I'd try to convince | her to take it to the local swap and see if somebody wants to take it home. | | Just my 2c (and that's about all it's worth, if that.....) | -paul It's a subtle way of stating she doesn't want it in the house, not a threat to convert it. She's using an ultimatum to expedite it's departure. You may surprise her completely with a high offer when you can likely get away with a more reasonable figure and haul it away quickly. She's not wanting to hassle with it, that's my hunch. Article: 317828 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Radio Advice Needed Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:24:28 -0700 Message-ID: <21857-42C01A2C-562@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> References: <1119879454.311498.94250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> >From Peter W.: >I would start in the $50-75 range and >dicker like crazy. Ahem(blush). Peter, couldn't you have just said, "negotiate like crazy"? Bill(oc) From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Tue Jun 28 08:47:03 EDT 2005 Article: 317829 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: A Mystery in Ohio References: <11bk2qlk4grjua3@corp.supernews.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:47:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1119887223 66.65.49.245 (Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:47:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:47:03 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317829 In article , Brenda Ann wrote: > In the pile off to the left.. is that an old round tube b/w chassis with > tube?? Yup. Sure looks like it. *shrug* -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 317830 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: tschw10117@aol.com Subject: Re: ebay-fake? Date: 27 Jun 2005 06:01:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1119876599.593763.14030@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1119622351.379539.207760@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> The item now shows up as: This listing (6188742383) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. So.... maybe it was bogus after all. Article: 317831 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: Zenith 9S262 Date: 27 Jun 2005 07:14:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1119881688.829737.153660@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1117709815.299687.310870@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> OK.... I will try to make this as simple as possible. Too many words obscure the logic, even if faultless. I once was at a "live" auction and saw a 1/4" single-speed, non-reversing plastic Black & Decker drill with a cut cord and rusted chuck go for $67 because two guys decided that the "other" guy was not going to get it. Had only one of them bid, it would not have gotten out of the $1 opening bid, as they were the _ONLY_ two. That defines "auction fever". Auction fever is like compulsive gambling and alcoholism... it is a disease and applies only to some. BUT: Bidding early on an auction is only a way of displaying interest. Whether that is good or bad is not relevant to the discusssion. What is relevant is that once interest is displayed others will perceive that there is something of value (interest) out there.... Why do you think that eBay uses "Number of Bids" as a search criterion? Sniping is a way of concealing that interest. Of course, high-bid gets it. But the more bidders, typically the greater the price. Why that simple logic should be so difficult to understand passeth understanding. I use a sniping service. I use a sniping service even if the auction ends at a convenient time for me to snipe manually. For the most part, there _will_ be another one of whatever it is, so patience is the watchword. If I cannot get an item at a price I am willing to pay, then clearly I do not want that item at whatever its market seems to be. And since I have gone over 53 years without whatever that item might be, not having it is clearly not life-threatening. So, a good night's sleep is always worth more to me than fighting it out on the virtual-auction battlefield. Lately, the only things I have snagged from eBay have been semi-vintage barely-semi-exotic audio stuff. There are just too many radios available locally for it to be a worthwhile endeavor to hunt them on-line. So that does also color my decision-making and attitudes towards eBay. But typically the snipes I offer are based on the spare-parts value of whatever it is. NO MORE. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 317832 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Follow Up: Zenith-- No Reception in Middle of Broadcast Band Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:06:27 -0700 Message-ID: <21625-42C04E33-491@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: <1119894039.056798.297980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Great job, Dave. And great follow up report. Your 'cut and try' approach with the oscillator coil is a little above and beyond what most would care to tackle. Bill(oc) Article: 317833 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" References: <1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1119879454.311498.94250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119883655.6f5f51e1de41dd759ca776795b389b70@teranews> Subject: Re: Radio Advice Needed Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:17:05 -0400 "Steven Dinius" wrote in message news:xQUve.1306$S17.211598@monger.newsread.com... > > It's a subtle way of stating she doesn't want it in the house, not a > threat > to convert it. She's using an ultimatum to expedite it's departure. You > may > surprise her completely with a high offer when you can likely get away > with > a more reasonable figure and haul it away quickly. She's not wanting to > hassle with it, that's my hunch. > That's my take also. Armchair Psych. 101 :-) Article: 317834 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" Subject: Transoceanic H500 Wavemagnet in lid Message-ID: <2lYve.364322$cg1.255099@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:21:34 GMT I'm restoring an H500 that was sold to me as a "Parts Radio". Well the plan to use the telescoping antenna (Waverod) parts radio plan did not go well at all :~). So I decided to restore it. The H500 is missing some parts. Stewart was extremely helpful with a few of the missing parts in a past post. But I am in search of additional parts. I am in need of the Wave magnet that thumb screws onto the lid. Short of that does any one know of a good homebrew substitute? How many windings of a particular wire would suffice as an interim antenna? any help with this construction would be a time saver over experimenting with winding test loops as specified on the SparkBench (a fine resource). Also in need of the twin lead extension to move the above aforementioned wave magnet. A copy of the instruction would be cool too. Original not needed. Any help directions or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Paul P. Article: 317835 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <42bcbf31$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Subject: Re: Is this console worth the price? Message-ID: <1119901234.b5897099be163de6c0813ac9a89028f7@teranews> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:35:34 -0500 Thanks all for the advice. I see a nice example of the 13-tube version is up on eBay now, maybe I'll keep an eye on that and see how it finishes. The one in the store is an 11-tube set, not 10. If I can find room for it somewhere maybe I'll treat myself, my birthday is in 3 weeks....... paul Article: 317836 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <42bcbf31$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Subject: Re: Is this console worth the price? Message-ID: <1119901370.68f6d9aff0cc3817bc32b5d223ebfba3@teranews> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:35:34 -0500 Thanks all for the advice. I see a nice example of the 13-tube version is up on eBay now, maybe I'll keep an eye on that and see how it finishes. The one in the store is an 11-tube set, not 10. If I can find room for it somewhere maybe I'll treat myself, my birthday is in 3 weeks....... paul Article: 317837 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Radio Advice Needed Message-ID: <5PRve.1295$S17.208267@monger.newsread.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:55:45 GMT I don't see anything yet, Jon and it's been a hour or so. I will look later. "Jon" wrote in message news:1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com... | A friend sent me these pictures. His co-worker wants to find a buyer for | this radio. If nobody buys it, she's going to gut it and turn it into a | cabinet. I'd like to make a reasonable offer without offending her. What | model radio is this and what's a reasonable offer in unrestored condition? | | Pictures in binaries. | | -- | Jon Scaptura | Endicott, NY | | See my antique radios here: | http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios | | Article: 317838 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: europaluxury@yahoo.com Subject: Don't click if you're not ultra rich Date: 27 Jun 2005 06:19:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1119878383.191244.210360@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> http://www.europaluxury.com Europaluxury is the place to find the most expensive goods you can imagine : Yachts, jets, jewelry. It's only focus on ultra luxury. Article: 317839 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's From: Wayne Boatwright References: <1119879684.538642.60490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: 27 Jun 2005 23:01:55 +0200 On Mon 27 Jun 2005 06:41:24a, twomuttheads wrote in rec.antiques.radio+phono: > Isn't that a zoning violation? Too many Waltons in one place must > surely be illegal. It's okay as long as they don't leave the mountain. -- Wayne Boatwright Õ¿Õ¬ ____________________________________________ Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day. Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974 Article: 317840 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark S. Bond" Subject: Atwater Kent 20, 33, 35 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:32:37 GMT Apologies in advance if this group is not intended for trading/selling. I have 3 Atwater Kent table radios, all in superb condition. I am not a collector or restorer and would like to sell these to someone that is. I am located in northern New Jersey. If interested email marksbond@hotmail.com Article: 317841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: <1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1K-dnVAYgOlu213fRVn-uA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Radio Advice Needed Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:44:23 GMT "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:1K-dnVAYgOlu213fRVn-uA@comcast.com... > Jon, I have the buttons for your Detrola 147E in brown. All the green > ones > have decomposed to powdery dust. I have a whole extra chassis , knobs, > bezel etc, for one of those sets too. email me at moppat at comcast dot > net. > Mark Mark, You sold me a set of brown buttons a few months ago. They look great in the set. -- Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios Article: 317842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls References: <_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05> <6qJve.7247$gr.2195@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1119895676.708227.233810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:47:03 -0400 Peter Wieck wrote: >It cannot have cost much more to make the 1L6 as opposed to > the 1R5 when it gets right down to it. So, perhaps the tooling costs > exceeded the value of keeping two lines, with the "reject" 1L6s > becoming 1R5s... That doesn't make much sense since there ARE important internal differences between the 1R5 and 1L6. ON first look, they both DO have 5 grids, and can use the same plate,filament, and mica waffer assemblies. BUT the signal grid on the 1R5 is grid #3, while it is grid #4 on the 1L6. The signal grid is wound with a variable pitch to give it a remote cutoff, suitable for application of AGC. Grid #2 on the 1L6 isn't a grid at all, it's just the two posts with maybe some extra metal wings to act as the oscillator anode. Grids #2 and #4 on the 1R5 serve as both the screen and the oscillator anode. The posts of grid #2 may have metal wings to aid in the function of oscillator plate. Finally, the internal connections, though similar enough to allow the two tubs to be partially socket interchangable are NOT the same, a 1L6 is a 1L6, a 1R5 is a 1R5, and never the twain shall meet. Or you can't test one to be another. (I suppose 'reject' 1L6's might work in a 1R5 circuit, but they would be rather 'shitty' compared to a REAL 1R5. Crappy AGC, low conversion gain, and probably oscillator drift like a drunken sailor.) Article: 317843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:49:25 -0400 John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > In article , > wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net says... > >> >>>John k9uwa >>> >> >>Wow! You do nice woodwork there John. > > > > Not Me.... Not My Job Man.... thats Jeans job... everytime I stick > my nose in her cabinet shop and lip off.... I regret it later... > She does the cabinets... I just do the guts! > John k9uwa > Then the two of you go real nice together. You get to fix radios, and your better half make's 'em look nice. What a match! Article: 317844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119879684.538642.60490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:50:31 GMT "Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message news:Xns96828E17F93E1waynesgang@217.22.228.19... | On Mon 27 Jun 2005 06:41:24a, twomuttheads wrote in rec.antiques.radio+phono: | | > Isn't that a zoning violation? Too many Waltons in one place must | > surely be illegal. | | It's okay as long as they don't leave the mountain. | | -- | Wayne Boatwright Õ¿Õ¬ | ____________________________________________ | | Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day. | Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974 Too late, Jim-Bob's over at the Dew-Drop Inn Article: 317845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1119889415.168687.120790@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Radio Advice Needed Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:54:16 GMT "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1119889415.168687.120790@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... | LOL...yea...... a little inside joke in the car business....."yea, go | home and get the wife and bring her in and we will dicker." I see alot of kids wearing teeshirts with "Dickies" logos yet I doubt it has anything to do with durable workclothes Article: 317846 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jon Kummer Subject: Philco Safari TV Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:38:38 -0400 Does anyone know which Rider book covers the Philco Safari? Thanks. Jon Article: 317847 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1119878383.191244.210360@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Don't click if you're not ultra rich Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:48:01 GMT I wonder if those guys would be interested in a Sony Walkman? wrote in message news:1119878383.191244.210360@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > http://www.europaluxury.com > > Europaluxury is the place to find the most expensive goods you can > imagine : Yachts, jets, jewelry. > It's only focus on ultra luxury. > Article: 317848 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Paul Morris Subject: Re: A Mystery in Ohio Message-ID: <8q51c11tedcipg2mat0e5a7in80ul77sm5@4ax.com> References: <11bk2qlk4grjua3@corp.supernews.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:19:56 -0500 Truetone had a few oval dials like that. Made by Detrola. I'm betting its a Detrola. On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:07:31 -0400, " Hagstar" <" Hagstar"@att.net> wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=7330688394&rd=1 Article: 317849 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: 300 ohm connectors? Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:17:54 -0700 Message-ID: <29708-42C09732-551@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> References: <1119907136.920801.21610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> >You mean the alligator-clip type? I have >not seen those for years, and I would like >a couple of sets if you find them. Aren't those called 'clothespin' clips? oc From adouglasatgis.net Tue Jun 28 08:47:08 EDT 2005 Article: 317850 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:09:26 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <_love.8213$go.496@fed1read05> <6qJve.7247$gr.2195@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1119895676.708227.233810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-813.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317850 Hi, > the number on these is 252, printed vertically Made in the fourth quarter (ending with the 52nd week) of 1952. Alan From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Tue Jun 28 08:47:09 EDT 2005 Article: 317851 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: 300 ohm connectors? References: <1119852853.589084.184840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119907136.920801.21610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 14 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:22:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1119918126 66.65.49.245 (Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:22:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:22:06 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317851 In article <1119907136.920801.21610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Peter Wieck wrote: > You mean the alligator-clip type? I have not seen those for years, and http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=CL-11&type=store Peter, do you mean the ones in the above mentioned URL? Those clip over the terminal screws of a TV set antenna panel. I'd rather have spade lugs though.... -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 317852 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1119852853.589084.184840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119907136.920801.21610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 300 ohm connectors? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:05:19 GMT "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message news:slrndc16i9.h79.stephanie@home3.gordsven.com... > In article <1119907136.920801.21610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > Peter Wieck wrote: >> You mean the alligator-clip type? I have not seen those for years, >> and > > http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=CL-11&type=store > > Peter, do you mean the ones in the above mentioned URL? > > Those clip over the terminal screws of a TV set antenna panel. > > I'd rather have spade lugs though.... > Dwight mentioned "clear plastic", so I'm guessing he is looking for ones similar to the G, H, and J units on this page: http://img143.echo.cx/img143/7160/tvantennaconnectors8jr.jpg (From a 1969 Allied catalog) jim menning Article: 317853 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1119852853.589084.184840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119907136.920801.21610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 300 ohm connectors? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:30:24 -0400 "jim menning" wrote in message news:jn1we.4507$hV5.3144@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "> > I'd rather have spade lugs though.... > > > > Dwight mentioned "clear plastic", so I'm guessing he is looking for > ones similar to the G, H, and J units on this page: > > http://img143.echo.cx/img143/7160/tvantennaconnectors8jr.jpg > > (From a 1969 Allied catalog) > > jim menning > > those were popular on ham VFOs to allow connecting RG-58 coax to FT-243 crystal sockets. Darn hard to find now a days. Amazing how once popular and cheap items simply vanish. Pete Article: 317854 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Philco Safari TV Message-ID: <1M1we.4508$hV5.717@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:31:41 GMT "Jon Kummer" wrote in message news:e50we.3780$SQ1.2096@fe09.lga... > > Does anyone know which Rider book covers the Philco Safari? > > Thanks. > > Jon You're welcome! Rider's TV Volume 26, pages 26-2 through 26-10. jim menning Article: 317855 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Harry Rogin" References: <3i7t6dFk6hq7U1@individual.net> <3i8fcpFkcr1aU1@individual.net> <7tmdnRUI9scY5SLfRVn-oQ@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Zenith Chairside 10-S-452 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:31:44 -0700 "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:7tmdnRUI9scY5SLfRVn-oQ@comcast.com... > Dave, > > mostly the earlier 6X5G's are the worst, the later 6X5's are better. Better > yet, go with ONE 6AX5, it will replace the two 6X5 tubes, and they are cheap > and better made, for 60's B&W tv sets. > > Mark Oppat > > > "DaveW" wrote in message > news:oTJve.6913$4M1.1694@trnddc07... > > Skycloud wrote: > > > "-ex-" wrote in message > > > news:8b4f$42bed860$4232bd3d$988@COQUI.NET... > > > > > >>Hi, > > >>I rcvd my 10-S-452 sans speaker so I can't be 100% certain how it was > > >>originally. Mine has cardboard backing for the 2 curved side portions > > >>and it is original carboard since there is a Zenith label on one piece. > > >> The center portion does not have anything there. > > >> > > >>Good luck with it. Its a great radio. > > >> > > >>-Bill > > > > > > > > > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > > > news:JO-dnZCIjquJfyPfRVn-tQ@comcast.com... > > > > > > > > >>That speaker board is wrong. I know in other > > >>Zenith sets there are multiple boards of same size, since the speaker > will > > >>face out one side and the other is just a cloth side with a solid board, > > > > > > ie > > > > > >>9-S-367, and several of the chairsides in particular. Sounds like > either > > >>the boards got switched inside the set or from another set. > > >> > > >>Mark Oppat > > > > > > > > > Thanks chaps. I've removed the speaker blocking-board and it now is > evident > > > this was a recent mod done when the new cloth was installed. The cloth > from > > > this fake board has now been detached and used to back up the speaker > grille > > > directly, which is presumably as originally intended. > > > > > > And yes, you're right Bill - truly it is a great radio. :-) > > > > > > Steve > > > www.copycoder.com > > > www.radiocraft.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a note since you are working on the chasis of a radio that IIRC > > uses 2 6X5G rectifier tubes. These tubes are know to short > > unpredictably, and take the main transformer with them. The common > > precaution is to bypass them with solid state diodes. You can leave the > > heaters hooked up for looks if you want. > > > > Of course since you are dealing with 230 volt mains in the UK, the radio > > is most likely running off a step down transformer already. The common > > thought seems to be that Zenith power transformers are a bit undersized, > > and run better at 110 volts than 120. Let the heat generated by your > guide. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dave > > > > > > > Article: 317856 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Broken drive belt for Zenith 10S690 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:29:59 -0600 Message-ID: <7330-42C0A817-239@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <1119916879.597750.171200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> I always take the tuning shaft out and use a rubber belt . Its not that hard to do and you can clean and oil the shaft & other parts while its apart . Now you need to chose if you want a glued together gummed up tuning system or a clean one . Article: 317857 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jon Kummer Subject: Re: Philco Safari TV References: <1M1we.4508$hV5.717@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:09:46 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060008030905000208010007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you! I'm not use to working on solid state but I will give it a try. jim menning wrote: >"Jon Kummer" wrote in message >news:e50we.3780$SQ1.2096@fe09.lga... > > >>Does anyone know which Rider book covers the Philco Safari? >> >>Thanks. >> >>Jon >> >> > >You're welcome! > >Rider's TV Volume 26, pages 26-2 through 26-10. > >jim menning > > > > --------------060008030905000208010007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you!  I'm not use to working on solid state but I will give it a try.

jim menning wrote:
"Jon Kummer" <jkummer@optonline.net> wrote in message 
news:e50we.3780$SQ1.2096@fe09.lga...
  
Does anyone know which Rider book covers the Philco Safari?

Thanks.

Jon
    

You're welcome!

Rider's TV Volume 26, pages 26-2 through 26-10.

jim  menning
--------------060008030905000208010007-- Article: 317858 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's References: <1119879684.538642.60490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1119920998.133143.237830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:25:59 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote: > you're doing it again steven. > Oh, cut him some slack. It *was* funny. :-) From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Tue Jun 28 08:47:11 EDT 2005 Article: 317859 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: 300 ohm connectors? References: <1119852853.589084.184840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119907136.920801.21610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:56:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1119927400 66.65.49.245 (Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:56:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:56:40 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317859 In article , jim menning wrote: > http://img143.echo.cx/img143/7160/tvantennaconnectors8jr.jpg My apologies. I remember those back in the early 1990s. Radio Shack was still carrying them. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 317860 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Follow Up: Zenith-- No Reception in Middle of Broadcast Band From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1118324054.277835.256950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1119894039.056798.297980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:21:20 GMT In article <1119894039.056798.297980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, drhoades@kc.rr.com says... > > >Thanks again to >everyone who helped me!! > >Dave > Excellent! John k9uwa Article: 317861 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1119892591.507652.211980@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:26:14 GMT In article <1119892591.507652.211980@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, n4buq@aol.com says... > > >Don't they keep you up at night with all those "Goodnight Mary Ellen", >"Goodnight, Jim-Bob", Goodnight John-Boy"...? > >Barry - N4BUQ > Yup the "Kids" are a bit that way... >> >Then the two of you go real nice together. You get to fix radios, and >your better half make's 'em look nice. What a match! Yes... what started as a hobby collecting and restoring.. has turned into another Full Time Job ... now we hardly have time to restore our own collection.. John k9uwa Article: 317862 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Bill Turner missing From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:30:52 GMT I imagine that most of us have noticed Bill T's absence... Bill is currently in ReHab and we hope gets back to normal one of these days... another stroke yes... So if anyone has ordered parts of dialcovers etc.. there will be some delay... I hope it isn't too long before Bill is back on the job... John k9uwa Article: 317863 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1119852853.589084.184840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119907136.920801.21610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1119924764.383673.160800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 300 ohm connectors? Message-ID: <8L3we.4533$hV5.3913@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:47:16 GMT "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1119924764.383673.160800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Thanks for the lead. Those are the ones I am looking for, yes. But > perhaps not what was the original request. They are handy for > testing > purposes, not for permanent connectons. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Check your email. jim menning Article: 317864 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Bill Turner missing Message-ID: <3O3we.4534$hV5.3730@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:50:23 GMT "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:Mv3we.111547$nG6.25907@attbi_s22... >I imagine that most of us have noticed Bill T's absence... > > Bill is currently in ReHab and we hope gets back to normal one > of these days... another stroke yes... > > So if anyone has ordered parts of dialcovers etc.. there will > be some delay... I hope it isn't too long before Bill is back > on the job... > > John k9uwa > Best wishes to Bill for a quick & complete recovery. jim menning Article: 317865 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Philco Safari TV Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:01:14 GMT "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:ef6dnZBvpNCuDF3fRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > No Riders does, they only go up to 1953 with radio and I dont think > up to > 1959 or 60 with TV when the Safari hit. SAMS covers it, just look > up the > model in any old SAMS index. SAMS starts with 1946 and comes up to > today. > > Mark Oppat > For future reference Mark, Rider's TV manuals go up through a volume 27, and the higher numbered volumes also include tube radios and transistor radios from the mid-late 50's until the end of the series, which appears to be around 1961 or so. Unfortunately I know of no index for the later volumes, so it has been necessary for me to pull each volume and page through them individually to see if a particular radio or TV model is covered. (PITA) jim menning Article: 317866 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: Bill Turner missing Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:59:50 -0400 "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:Mv3we.111547$nG6.25907@attbi_s22... >I imagine that most of us have noticed Bill T's absence... > > Bill is currently in ReHab and we hope gets back to normal one > of these days... another stroke yes... > > So if anyone has ordered parts of dialcovers etc.. there will > be some delay... I hope it isn't too long before Bill is back > on the job... > > John k9uwa Thanks for the info, John. If you have contact with Bill please wish him all the best. -- "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 317867 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's References: <1119892591.507652.211980@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <%54we.226$aY6.29@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:11:39 GMT Barry wrote: > Don't they keep you up at night with all those "Goodnight Mary Ellen", > "Goodnight, Jim-Bob", Goodnight John-Boy"...? > Just heard on the news that Mr Walton of Wal-Mart bought it when he crashed his plane somewheres out West. Article: 317868 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: 300 ohm connectors? References: <1119852853.589084.184840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119907136.920801.21610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:13:28 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > You mean the alligator-clip type? I have not seen those for years, and > I would like a couple of sets if you find them. > I had a bunch, but the plastic crumbled on them... Article: 317869 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" Subject: Weird dial Grunow follow-up Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:23:54 GMT Didn't someone here share some pictures of one of these round escutcheon with slide rule dial Grunow's not too long ago? Is this the same one, or is it further proof that the set discussed here (or in the binaries) was a legitimate factory issue? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6540576769 jim menning Article: 317870 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: Subject: Re: Weird dial Grunow follow-up Message-ID: <8D4we.365581$cg1.220532@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:47:00 GMT Yea! I have one that looks just like it aside from the grill cloth :~) See http://www.ppinyot.com/Mystery_image/mystery_grunow.htm Paul P. "jim menning" wrote in message news:uh4we.4539$hV5.4203@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Didn't someone here share some pictures of one of these round > escutcheon with slide rule dial Grunow's not too long ago? Is this > the same one, or is it further proof that the set discussed here (or > in the binaries) was a legitimate factory issue? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6540576769 > > jim menning > > Article: 317871 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <8D4we.365581$cg1.220532@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Weird dial Grunow follow-up Message-ID: <1O4we.4686$hV5.3343@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:58:37 GMT "Paul P" wrote in message news:8D4we.365581$cg1.220532@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Yea! I have one that looks just like it aside from the grill cloth > :~) See > http://www.ppinyot.com/Mystery_image/mystery_grunow.htm > Yeah, that's the one I remember! Maybe you can contact the eBay seller, and get some more history of the model from him. And get that grille cloth back on your cottage sofa, where it belongs. ;o) jim menning Article: 317872 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <8D4we.365581$cg1.220532@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <1O4we.4686$hV5.3343@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Weird dial Grunow follow-up Message-ID: <6U4we.365619$cg1.66793@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:05:06 GMT > Yeah, that's the one I remember! Maybe you can contact the eBay > seller, and get some more history of the model from him. > > And get that grille cloth back on your cottage sofa, where it belongs. > > ;o) > > jim menning > > Jim, Great catch! I just emailed the owner. I hope he responds with some information. I thought that I purchased a frankenradio. But I suppose I did. According to the auction description the only difference being is that it is a factory authorized Frankenradio :~) Would you want me to send you the grill cloth? Thanks again! Paul P. Article: 317873 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <8D4we.365581$cg1.220532@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <1O4we.4686$hV5.3343@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <6U4we.365619$cg1.66793@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Weird dial Grunow follow-up Message-ID: <7X4we.4728$hV5.2859@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:08:19 GMT "Paul P" wrote in message news:6U4we.365619$cg1.66793@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> > Would you want me to send you the grill cloth? > No thanks, I already have a welcome mat here. > Thanks again! You're welcome! Good luck. jim menning Article: 317874 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42C0DBEC.1D4E3DFD@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: 300 ohm connectors? References: <1119852853.589084.184840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:11:27 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > > Thanks for the lead. Those are the ones I am looking for, yes. But > perhaps not what was the original request. They are handy for testing > purposes, not for permanent connectons. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA If you do use them, make sure the screws are backed out just enough to get the clip under the heads. The clip will cause the terminal to pull out of the insulator if the screws are too far out. The extra stress and any movement of the antenna wire will damage it over time I replaced hundreds of antenna terminal boards on TVs when those were popular. I bought the Zenith VHF/UHF dual band terminal boards by the dozen and carried them in my tool box when i went on service calls. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317875 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42C0DD1E.9ECB1030@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's References: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:16:32 GMT Bruce Mercer wrote: > > > Seems like lately we are in the restore Walton Business... > > > > http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/waltonlitter.jpg > > > > 5 of the 6 cabinets are done.. one is still just as it came in > > the door... > > > > John k9uwa > > You can't use catgut to restring an old radio. > > ;-) Or an old cat! ;-) -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317876 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Weird dial Grunow follow-up From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <8D4we.365581$cg1.220532@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <1O4we.4686$hV5.3343@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <6U4we.365619$cg1.66793@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:30:38 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >> Great catch! I just emailed the owner. I hope he responds with some >> information. >> Thanks again! >> Paul P. >> thats Chip Taylor... he will respond I am sure... he usually reads the newsgroup as well... sure hate to say it... thats one ugly radio.. John k9uwa Article: 317877 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jon Kummer Subject: Re: Philco Safari TV References: <1M1we.4508$hV5.717@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:11:11 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040806080205030808030600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil - I do have a picture and audio but the horizontal won't hold well. I looked at the Rider schematic and will have to start checking the caps (when I have a chance). Thanks again for the help. Jon Phil Nelson wrote: >Let me know when you're done, you can give me some tips. I have a ratty >Safari waiting in line for attention. Nice bright raster, no signal (how >hard could it be, he said laughingly :-) > >Phil Nelson > > > > >>"Jon Kummer" wrote in message >>news:Yi2we.3799$SQ1.1712@fe09.lga... >>Thank you! I'm not use to working on solid state but I will give it a >>try. >> >> > > > > --------------040806080205030808030600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil -

I do have a picture and audio but the horizontal won't hold well.  I looked at the Rider schematic and will have to start checking the caps (when I have a chance).

Thanks again for the help.

Jon

Phil Nelson wrote: 
Let me know when you're done, you can give me some tips. I have a ratty 
Safari waiting in line for attention. Nice bright raster, no signal (how 
hard could it be, he said laughingly :-)

Phil Nelson


  
"Jon Kummer" <jkummer@optonline.net> wrote in message 
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--------------040806080205030808030600-- Article: 317878 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: <1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1K-dnVAYgOlu213fRVn-uA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Radio Advice Needed Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:16:19 GMT "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:SdCdnfJ6RaODf13fRVn-ig@comcast.com... > The two things that go bad in middle age, are the memory and ... uh, I > forget the other. Anyways, your website still mentions needing the > buttons. > > Mark Oppat > Oops. I've fallen a bit behind on the site. Especially since I bought the house and moved since I started that radio. It does work quite well, but I haven't aligned it yet, so the SW bands are a little off. Thanks for offering the buttons again though. Jon Article: 317879 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: <1QQve.55833$g5.7623@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1119879454.311498.94250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119883655.6f5f51e1de41dd759ca776795b389b70@teranews> Subject: Re: Radio Advice Needed Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:21:40 GMT "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:1119883655.6f5f51e1de41dd759ca776795b389b70@teranews... > You're good. It's a Majestic highboy, looks like it weighs about eight > tons. > Gorgeous bookmatched veneer on the doors. Seven tubes lined up across the > back - three shielded, followed by what looks like a 27, two 45s and an > 80. > There wasn't a picture with the doors open though. Pix show the cabinet > in > nice physical condition. I'd expect to see it with a $100 price tag at a > swap but personally wouldn't take it home for that price. > > Actually, I would be annoyed if I were in Jon's position - I'm not > interested in making room for a set like this, but also wouldn't want to > see > it turned into a liquor cabinet. I suppose if it were me I'd try to > convince > her to take it to the local swap and see if somebody wants to take it > home. > > Just my 2c (and that's about all it's worth, if that.....) > -paul I got an email from her yesterday asking $250 for it. That was a bit too high for me, but we finally settled on $100. Jon Article: 317880 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "CHIP TAYLOR" References: Subject: Re: Weird dial Grunow follow-up Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:39:40 GMT This is a different set as the original person sharing pictures of the same set just emailed me regarding schematic info on this set. I'm glad to know my weird looking Grunow has a "twin brother" out there somewhere! Chip Taylor "jim menning" wrote in message news:uh4we.4539$hV5.4203@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Didn't someone here share some pictures of one of these round escutcheon > with slide rule dial Grunow's not too long ago? Is this the same one, or > is it further proof that the set discussed here (or in the binaries) was a > legitimate factory issue? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6540576769 > > jim menning > Article: 317881 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Nicolas Boretos Subject: Zenith D7000Y restoration help Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:59:31 +0300 Message-ID: <1119956372.338976@athnrd02> Hello, New to this group and could use a bit of guidance. Just received a D700Y from ebay that was supposed to be in "good condition". Well, that term is really subjective. The set has so much wear that the slider switches literally dont even detent..dumped sand out of the handle..All that said though, the radio does seem to work on all/most bands...(on batteries at least..) God forbid what I'll find when I take the back off... Anyway, specific questions for your collective conscious: 1. There's several spots of corrosion on the aluminum parts. Does anyone have any home-brew way of cleaning the corrosion of the aluminun, without totally trashing the set. In particular, the flip-up lid with the world map has several spots of salt corrosion. I'd like to clean, neutalize and possibly touch-up paint the (light blue)spots. Same for the (chrome?) grill in front... I'm in Greece and there's no aluminum jelly type of things here. I do have access to a full blown chem lab though... 2. WRT slider switches, e.g the batt/tuning, are these things common or available new? I have to manually fiddle with the switch to get tuning indication. Maybe these can be re-crimped tighter? 3.What was the metal trim/strip on the handle; brushed aluminun or chrome, as this is missing 4.Can the slack be taken out of the drum tuner? The older Grundig Satellits have a sprong that can tighten/relax the indexing action on the drum... Anyway, would appreciate some help. As an aside to all this, I saw some old posts comparing the these TO's with the period Satellits. As an owner of several 6000/6001's all I can say is "they must be kidding". While I cannot yet comment on sensitivity or build quality, IMHO, the Satellit completely outclasses the TO in sound and ergonomics. regards, nicolas Article: 317887 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:52:11 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: <1119997768.114759.268290@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: nesesu wrote: > This has been around for some time, but seems to be getting more > rediculous as time goes on. I was looking at some SD memory chips on > Ebay and the seller wanted $12 each for shipping by USPS and NO > combining!! A couple of years ago I bought a small item on Ebay where > the seller stated buyer pays postage and then they wanted $27 "postage" > for a 3oz package. When I refused they said they had all the costs > mentioned in these other posts, but, as far as I am concerned that is a > "cost of doing business" and should come out of the profit of the sale > or be clearly stated "up front" as several posters have mentioned. > > Neil S. > My favorite was the guy that snagged me (afterwards) 50 cents for printing an "invoice" and 50 cents for printing a label. I told him I didn't need an invoice but he said it wasn't optional because his program did it automatically. I have no problem with someone wanting to defray their out-of-pocket costs. But paying their wages to stand in line at the PO or paying their gasoline to town is something they should figure into their selling start price. Heaven knows how much I'd have to pay at Wal-Mart if I had to pay for the gas for all the employees to come to work. -Bill Article: 317888 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: Message-ID: <6zkwe.51459$iU.1094@lakeread05> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:54:58 -0400 Call it what you will, it's just another greedy seller masquerading as a "professional" business person. I'm sure there will be other fees created in the future by these gold diggers. Glad all sellers aren't that way. Ken Stephanie Weil wrote: > Been noticing this more and more on E-bay auctions. > > Seller tacks on a 1 or 2 dollar "handling charge" or "packaging" charge. > > Of course the item comes to you wrapped in wadded up newspaper in some > recycled box. Is this what you pay a "handling charge" for? > > What gives with that. Jeeze. > Article: 317889 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119892591.507652.211980@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Our Baby Strat just had a Litter of Walton's Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:00:32 GMT "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message news:Xbhwe.6440$mK5.427146@news20.bellglobal.com... | "Phil B" wrote in message | news:pLWdne54kskIQV3fRVn-iQ@comcast.com... | > All this seems a little corny now, but I miss the Waltons show and | > Little House on the Prairy. Nostalgia and "simpler times" at work here. | > Back when the Waltons was going strong on TV, I had two little boys and | > a wife at home. I was on a business trip for a week. After all the | > whooping-it-up and free food and drinks, I remember going back to the | > motel one night and turning on the TV. The Waltons was on. I sat there | > and watched the whole show and, damn, I wished I was home! | > | > Phil B | | Yeah, the "simpler times" like when the entire population of Walnut Grove | decided that their only option was to dynamite the town and leave. | | I liked Little House because they weren't afraid of strong issues. I think Michael Landon just liked dynamite as he featured it in two maybe three of the later episodes. Article: 317890 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: beerbarrel Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? Message-ID: <3lm3c1t2gmq70h744s5j51rdpcqs0lqga4@4ax.com> References: <1119993618.223033.49110@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119997172.438529.184050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:20:12 -0400 On 28 Jun 2005 15:19:32 -0700, "BrendaAnnD" wrote: > > >Peter Wieck wrote: >> Handling Charge: >> >> A. Legitimate: Post Office is a number of miles away, and the seller >> does not have access to large numbers of boxes, bubble wrap or other >> legitimate packing items. >> >> So: gas, a box, some packing... and it is done right. What would you >> pay for a good packing charge on a delicate item? If I were to buy two >> nesting cartons for a moderate-size tombstone, some bubble wrap and >> have to drive say... 8 miles to the PO, I will have spent something on >> the order of $10-$15 when all is said and done, and no postage, yet. > > >I'm not allergic to paying a reasonable s/h charge where someone has to >go to the post office or buy packing material, etc... but as Steph >said, people are charging high s/h charges (just got something from >Canada that the guy charged me $14US for handling, and it came in a >thin box with no packing material whatsoever, and was totally >destroyed) for nothing at all. And it really burns me when they charge >$10-15 for handling (in addition to shipping charges) for a small item >like a laptop DVD drive that can be packed very securely for less than >a dollar. Even worse is when they charge $10 to mail a CD or DVD disk >in a 40 cent bubblewrap envelope via media mail. > >Not everyone puts forth the kind of effort that you and Steph do when >packing and shipping items. I'm quite happy to pay for that effort. >What I don't like is sellers that pad the auction price by adding on >way above par handling charges. > >My -W-21 (at the current exchange rate) One good thing about it is that in most cases you can see these charges up front. That leaves the option of not bidding up to you. I always look at the charges before I bid. If they are not listed I contact the seller. If they don't respond, I don't bid. In most cases another item will eventually come along. Tracy Article: 317891 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Martin Crossley" References: Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:23:37 +0100 Message-ID: <42c1dca8@nntp.onyx.net> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > In article , benjamaniac@yahoo.com > says... >> >> >> We had a lightning stom here last week and the transformer on >> the pole outside our house took a direct hit. >> Ben >> >> > Here we are once again into our Thunderstorm Season... and stuff is > once again being blown up... > > Now please consider two options.... > > Option #1 is the methed that Ben is about to go through.... after the > strike and damage... do assessment and repairs... and yes at least > for the first or maybe even the 2nd time our insurance companies will > pay the bill less deductibles etc.... but shortly they will be telling > you that your premium is no longer desired by their company... and you > will be out looking to buy insurance someplace else... In Indiana > they have assigned risk for homeowners with lousy records of losses.. > and it isn't cheap.. > > Option #2 ... Spend some bucks and protect your homes... I don't mean > just a simple surge protector for the computer... it isn't all that > hard to protect the whole house.. > This involves adding some sort of major box to your incoming AC line > at the entrance box to your house... and yes a good Shunt Box will be > maybe $500 max... and yes if they lock down for a period of time they > will begin to smoke even if they aren't old enough to smoke.... but > your house and all the stuff in it will survive... You also have to > add protection to Phone lines and Cable TV lines and any antenna wires > that are coming into the home... plus a nice battery backup smartbox > for the computer... > > By doing the above... you will be able to sleep through these storms > and no longer worry about what all I will have to try to fix tomorrow > ... and your insurance company won't be paying out claims.. and > therefore the rest of us will enjoy possibly slightly smaller > insurance premiums. > > I personally prefer Polyphaser Products for most of the above items.. > but there are also several other companies that make these protective > devices.... > > and yes with 3 towers in my backyard top antenna at 190 feet... I have > been hit lots of times... damage to date after 17 years of polyphaser > goodies attached... Zero to everything in the house.... once the > main shunt protector gave its all and had to be replaced... > > John k9uwa Option 3 Move to Britain! Probably a bit drastic, though. Not much lightning here at all, so not worth taking any precautions in a normal home, (i.e.without any amateur radio aerials, just a normal rooftop UHF TV aerial. These are not even usually earthed; the co-ax being just plugged straight into a digital terrestrial box or a video recorder, then looped into the TV.) but still enough to keep me in a job repairing CCTV cameras at a local company. Going a bit OT, some customers become upset when I tell them that the 5-year warranty against manufacturing defects and component failures does not cover having seven bells blown out of the product.The damage is mainly due to currents induced in the video output co-ax; blowing craters in the video o/p resistor & IC, and very rarely on the mains input, except Italian returns... Martin G8UWM (Stockport) Article: 317892 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Martin Crossley" References: <1119993618.223033.49110@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119997172.438529.184050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <3lm3c1t2gmq70h744s5j51rdpcqs0lqga4@4ax.com> Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:36:15 +0100 Message-ID: <42c1df50@nntp.onyx.net> beerbarrel wrote: > On 28 Jun 2005 15:19:32 -0700, "BrendaAnnD" > wrote: > >> >> >> Peter Wieck wrote: >>> Handling Charge: >>> >>> A. Legitimate: Post Office is a number of miles away, and the seller >>> does not have access to large numbers of boxes, bubble wrap or other >>> legitimate packing items. >>> >>> So: gas, a box, some packing... and it is done right. What would you >>> pay for a good packing charge on a delicate item? If I were to buy >>> two nesting cartons for a moderate-size tombstone, some bubble wrap >>> and have to drive say... 8 miles to the PO, I will have spent >>> something on the order of $10-$15 when all is said and done, and no >>> postage, yet. >> >> >> I'm not allergic to paying a reasonable s/h charge where someone has >> to go to the post office or buy packing material, etc... but as Steph >> said, people are charging high s/h charges (just got something from >> Canada that the guy charged me $14US for handling, and it came in a >> thin box with no packing material whatsoever, and was totally >> destroyed) for nothing at all. And it really burns me when they >> charge $10-15 for handling (in addition to shipping charges) for a >> small item like a laptop DVD drive that can be packed very securely >> for less than a dollar. Even worse is when they charge $10 to mail a >> CD or DVD disk in a 40 cent bubblewrap envelope via media mail. >> >> Not everyone puts forth the kind of effort that you and Steph do when >> packing and shipping items. I'm quite happy to pay for that effort. >> What I don't like is sellers that pad the auction price by adding on >> way above par handling charges. >> >> My -W-21 (at the current exchange rate) > > > One good thing about it is that in most cases you can see these > charges up front. That leaves the option of not bidding up to you. I > always look at the charges before I bid. If they are not listed I > contact the seller. If they don't respond, I don't bid. In most cases > another item will eventually come along. > > Tracy Yes, absolutely fine with me too, when up-front and actually done properly to survive a rough sea journey across the "pond". Otherwise it's fraud, or at least a very disappointing waste of money. Martin(Stockport) From oldradio-at-wi.rr.com Sat Jul 9 09:21:35 EDT 2005 Article: 317893 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Reply-To: "James Hilins" From: "James Hilins" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Selenium Rectifier look like? Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:57:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.53.6.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com 1120003056 67.53.6.126 (Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:57:36 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:57:36 CDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!24.94.170.120.MISMATCH!news-feed-01.rdc-kc.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317893 Looking at the underside of a stromberg Carlson 1500 chassis. The radio has a AC HUM, what does the Selenium Rectifier look like? and what is a suitable replacement? Jim Article: 317894 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: Subject: Re: Bill Turner missing Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:37:36 GMT Best wishes here too! I finally got to meet him at the Kutztown meet and sure hope he has a good recovery and can get out and about once again. -- Keith Keith Park Top Notch Restorations topnotch@nycap.rr.com "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:Mv3we.111547$nG6.25907@attbi_s22... > I imagine that most of us have noticed Bill T's absence... > > Bill is currently in ReHab and we hope gets back to normal one > of these days... another stroke yes... > > So if anyone has ordered parts of dialcovers etc.. there will > be some delay... I hope it isn't too long before Bill is back > on the job... > > John k9uwa > Article: 317895 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Weird dial Grunow follow-up Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:23:09 -0600 Message-ID: <15358-42C2060D-781@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <1119992549.763633.12130@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> My My is that thing ylgu . I have never ever seen such a dial like that :-) sure glad someone sekil it ! Article: 317896 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <28902-42BF4D37-379@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> <42C13A75.8E5CEBA5@hotmail.com> <7mdwe.111508$xm3.101102@attbi_s21> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:36:15 GMT In article , adouglasatgis.net says... > > > Out of curiosity, what do you measure for resistance between the >tub ground rod and house ground? I think you'll be shocked >(figuratively). > >73, Alan Bet it would be more than Figuratively... the real answer depends on the conductivity of the ground in your location .... although it will vary a little bit within an area... the ARRL handbook and I am sure it could be found on internet will give a map of the USA showing average conductivity for our earth grounds.... and yes all rods should be tied together.... as well as tying them together .. along the way from one point to another... well lets do it this way... at the rear of your house in comes the power line... and it has an 8 foot rod next to the house.... and about 20 to 30 feet away is where your phone line comes into the house... and another 20 feet or so around the corner is where you bring your wire antennas into the house... you need a little more than a single run of this 3/8" diameter copper tubing tween all thees ground rods... each 16 feet along the way you need an additional ground rod... now if you have a tower out in the backyard .... then you need 8 radials of copper tubing going away from the tower in an approximate equal circle... each of these radials needs to be 1/3 of the height of the top antenna on this tower ... and along 7 of the 8 of these radials you want an additional ground rod each 16 feet .... the 8th one.... no additional ground rods on this one... it is the one that comes directly to the house ..... also keep it away form the coax lines and other lines running to tower... it stops at the house and connects to the tubing that goes around the house... this around the house one is called a perimeter ground line ... what all this stuff does is.... #1... the 7 radials from the tower.. they hopefully eat up 90% of the power of the lightning strike.... a bit less than 1/8th of it will come toward the house .... so that 1/8th or something close to it is what all the fancy... sometimes expensive protection devices are designed to solve this problem... Let me digress a second here .... example.... you are flying along in a helocopter .... and you can grab ahold of one wire of one of those tall power company towers... the ones with the 315 Kilo-Volt lines on them..... you can grab one wire... and not get hurt... you are while connected to this line.... at the potential of 315,000 volts ... and it does nothing to you .... unless you also touch or come close to touching... ground... or one of the other wires... that is exactly what your ground system and all the protective devices are doing ... keeping the lightning strike... or power surge... everything thats metal ... in and around your house is all kept at the same potential... then there isn't any damage to anything ... now if there is some large metal gadget that is NOT fastened to all this stuff with either direct grounding or devices... then it could get zapped... had a local Ham buddy that got hit a couple of years ago... house and tower pretty well grounded but not quite what it all should have been ... lightning hit tower... came into the hamshack... and exited through all the ground stuff .. well a short distance across the room from the Ham Rig set a nice big fat metal filing cabinet... on top of it set a television set that was NOT plugged in.. no antenna etc... just a TV setting there... well the strike hosed up that TV set.. just because it was NOT at the same potential as all the rest of the metal stuff... I learned all this stuff about lightning .... the hard way... after a major hit on the tower... it cost the insurance company 10K and it cost me one whole lot of grief finding and fixing all the screwed up stuff..... then when it came time for the old annual renewal of the home owners policy.... they said... Son Go Away... we don't want U... your a "Bad Risk" .... new assigned risk company said... Son... Ya have 6 months to install a Commercial Ground System.... or take the towers down.... or else we aren't keeping you insured either ..... don't think me Mortgage company would have been too happy if the place wasn't insured... Anyawy..... now we have a super ground installation.... it storms and I don't even bother to turn stuff off ..... puter has its own battery supply gizmo on it... so power goes off and Windoze is told to shut the puter down by the supply after a bit... John k9uwa Article: 317897 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1119993618.223033.49110@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119997172.438529.184050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <3lm3c1t2gmq70h744s5j51rdpcqs0lqga4@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:51:19 GMT In article <3lm3c1t2gmq70h744s5j51rdpcqs0lqga4@4ax.com>, beerbarrel@cox.net says... > > >One good thing about it is that in most cases you can see these >charges up front. That leaves the option of not bidding up to you. I >always look at the charges before I bid. If they are not listed I >contact the seller. If they don't respond, I don't bid. In most cases >another item will eventually come along. > >Tracy Tracy has it right... I very seldom charge for packing materials.. if packing a console Radio ... then yup I do charge a few bucks.. I try to look before I leap on an auction at the shipping charges... and modify my bid accordingly.... but crooks are crooks... just watch what U bid on... I got hosed last winter ... this auction was for a console chassis and speaker only.. large.... but no cabinet... the auction stated in it that pickup was fine.. it also stated that the packing fee would be 40 bucks ... well stupid me... I sent the guy an email and asked if a close friend of mine could pick it up within a week or so of the end of the auction.... yup thtas fine with the seller was his response... at the end...the guy nailed me for the 40 bucks anyway... I complained a little... he said that although it was being picked up that it was alraedy packed for shipment and that he owed it to me to be sure that it wasn't damaged during the pickup and my friends later delivery to me... and it was stated in his auction that 40 bucks to pack.. so I was hosed.... am sure that the A**h**e did it because he was pissed that his Re-Capped 12 tube chassis and speaker only brought $125 ... Radio was listed as a Lafayette... really a Stewart Warner.. and same as one I needed for a customers Truetone.... At $165 it was still a good deal for our customer... John k9uwa Article: 317898 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Bill Turner missing From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:53:18 GMT In article , k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF says... > > > >John k9uwa > Update on Bill Turner.. Bill has been moved from the Hospital to a Nursing Home where he isn't happy about it but has to stay there for the next three weeks in Re-Hab .. Therapy etc. I talked to him on the phone this evening... and he is the usual worried about getting stuff out the door that people have ordered and are probably wondering why they haven't heard from him. A bit upset as he won't be able to make it to Lansing. Wondering if we have someone here on the newsgroup that is a Web TV Specialist that could FAX the instructions on how one of those gizmo's work... Send me an email if you could help on the above... k9uwa at arrl dot net Anyone that would like to send a card can do so... Bill Turner 1117 Pike St Saint Charles, MO 63301 Also you can FAX a card to him as Sally will pick them up and take them to the nursing home for him to read.. Phone: 636-949-2210 Eddie I think it was a week ago last Friday when Bill had the stroke ... Hopefully Bill gets back to normal or as close to it as possible soon.... John k9uwa Article: 317899 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1119967799.609527.147870@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119990761.675504.119630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1119992549.763633.12130@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Weird dial Grunow follow-up Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:54:09 -0500 Message-ID: <42c20cb1$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Not necessarily. I wouldn't assume they were marked and put into individual boxes for retail sale. I wouldn't be surprised if they were unmarked and in flats intended to be marked and sold to manufacturers. Probably made just before manufacturers quit using type 41 in favor of 6K6 and 6V6. Even if they were marked, making tubes costs a lot more than giving old ones a solvent bath to wash off any old brandnames and then re-stamping them. paul "twomuttheads" wrote in message news:1119992549.763633.12130@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I've seen a number of those sets from 1940- 42 with apparently OEM > PHILCO branded tubes. NU would have needed to be rebranded as Philco, > more $$ than it's worth. Philco, like any other major brand name, was > very proud of using tubes branded with their own name. As if the > average consumer knew or cared. > Article: 317900 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Selenium Rectifier look like? References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:00:30 GMT Jim, do you need a scan of the Sams for this radio? This radio also has a surge resistor in the heater string which can cause problems. James Hilins wrote: > Looking at the underside of a stromberg Carlson 1500 chassis. > > The radio has a AC HUM, what does the Selenium Rectifier look like? and > what is a suitable replacement? > > > > Jim > > Article: 317901 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:14:31 -0600 Message-ID: References: why the handling charges? lots of reasons. because ebay doesnt get a percentage of 'handling' fees, it would be better for the seller to add more handling fee and get less for the item. and as was mentioned, there is a cost associated with shipping the item beyond the actual shipping charges. but thats not what prompts these discussions. there seems to be a human trait whereby if someone try's to charge more for their TIME than someone else thinks it is worth, others will judge them as having evil intentions. what are these evil intentions? well for one there is a side effect of 'handling fees' that is in the advantage of the seller: some people who are either new to ebay, or caught up in auction fever forget to add shipping, handling, and the item cost to come up with a total cost. then when they realize what they done, instead of blame themselves they blame the seller for tricking them. did the seller trick them? maybe, maybe not, but if this tricked you more than once..... on the other hand there are those who think there is some moral high ground to what percentage of what they paid actually went to shipping and handling and how much went to the actual item. these people go berzerk over handling fees. they feel fine buying something for 3$ with 1$ shipping, but wouldnt dream of bidding 1$ on the same item with 3$ shipping. so the seller loses these potential bidders. so is the seller gouging by charging more than actual shipping and handling charges? maybe. maybe not. but other sellers use the 'free shipping and handling' strategy and hope to get the price of the item up that way. the theory being that you will get more bidders and may start a bidding war. so are they trying to cause auction fever and manipulate the buyers into bidding frenzy? of course. my point being that ALL sellers are trying to get a maximum price. if all costs are up front imho the seller is not doing anything wrong. if a seller changes the costs after the auction, i would suggest not buying the item. a seller who packs items poorly is a bad seller regardless of what he charged for shipping and handling. to complain that he charged too much then packed it bad is irrelevant. by that logic if he offerered free s&h somehow it would be ok if the item wasnt packed well? in any case, there is one good reason from a buyers perspective not to pay too high of a percentage to handling or shipping charges. whatever guarantee you have from ebay/paypal is only limited to the item cost. randy "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message news:slrndc3ein.r1f.stephanie@home3.gordsven.com... > Been noticing this more and more on E-bay auctions. > > Seller tacks on a 1 or 2 dollar "handling charge" or "packaging" charge. > > Of course the item comes to you wrapped in wadded up newspaper in some > recycled box. Is this what you pay a "handling charge" for? > > What gives with that. Jeeze. > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, U.S.A. Article: 317902 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:20:37 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Bill Turner missing References: Message-ID: <664d2$42c213a3$4232bd3c$3316@COQUI.NET> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > In article , > k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF says... > >> >> >>John k9uwa >> > > > Update on Bill Turner.. > > Bill has been moved from the Hospital to a Nursing Home where he > isn't happy about it but has to stay there for the next three weeks > in Re-Hab .. Therapy etc. > > I talked to him on the phone this evening... and he is the usual > worried about getting stuff out the door that people have ordered > and are probably wondering why they haven't heard from him. > A bit upset as he won't be able to make it to Lansing. > > Wondering if we have someone here on the newsgroup that is a > Web TV Specialist that could FAX the instructions on how one > of those gizmo's work... Send me an email if you could help > on the above... k9uwa at arrl dot net > > Anyone that would like to send a card can do so... > > Bill Turner > 1117 Pike St > Saint Charles, MO 63301 > > Also you can FAX a card to him as Sally will pick them up > and take them to the nursing home for him to read.. > Phone: 636-949-2210 > > Eddie I think it was a week ago last Friday when Bill had > the stroke ... > > Hopefully Bill gets back to normal or as close to it as possible > soon.... > > John k9uwa > As many of you know...I'm the webmaster for Bill's website. Its probably not a good idea to flood his WebTV mailbox with good wishes because he might have some trouble weeding thru the mountain of emails that accumulate. If you'd like to pass on well-wishes, you can send them to me at exray@coqui.net and I'll try to put them on a single webpage for easier access for Bill when he gets back home. My prayer is out for this fine gentleman who has contributed to us radio hobbyists for two or three decades with his accumulated practical knowledge and skills. -Bill M Article: 317903 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:42:13 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: Message-ID: xrongor wrote: > if a seller changes the costs after the auction, i would suggest not buying > the item. Thats a brilliant suggestion. And just how is one to determine that when bidding? I have a suggestion. Assume that ALL sellers might try to screw you one way or another and bid accordingly. -Bill Article: 317904 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:07:01 -0600 Message-ID: References: "-ex-" wrote in message news:e4561$42c21898$4232bd3c$16753@COQUI.NET... > xrongor wrote: > > >> if a seller changes the costs after the auction, i would suggest not >> buying the item. > > Thats a brilliant suggestion. And just how is one to determine that when > bidding? > > I have a suggestion. Assume that ALL sellers might try to screw you one > way or another and bid accordingly. a search of the sellers feedback should tell you everything you need to know. if a seller has no feedback, you can take that under consideration also. but ultimiately you cannot know. any seller 'can' try to rip anyone off at any time. which is ultimately no different than just about every other situation in life. randy Article: 317905 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Bill Turner missing References: <664d2$42c213a3$4232bd3c$3316@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:20:06 GMT It's hard to imagine this NG without BT. Sure he could be a real curmudgeon at times but who else has offered more of his time to the old radio hobby to keep em working? Hope he gets back to doing his thing soon. Our senior member of our local radio club had a stroke but was left paralyzed and he is really missed. He was just like Bill with a gruff exterior but that was part of his personality, I like these old birds as they are always interesting. -ex- wrote: > John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > >> In article , >> k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF says... >> >>> >>> >>> John k9uwa >>> >> >> >> Update on Bill Turner.. >> Bill has been moved from the Hospital to a Nursing Home where he isn't >> happy about it but has to stay there for the next three weeks in >> Re-Hab .. Therapy etc. >> >> I talked to him on the phone this evening... and he is the usual >> worried about getting stuff out the door that people have ordered >> and are probably wondering why they haven't heard from him. >> A bit upset as he won't be able to make it to Lansing. >> >> Wondering if we have someone here on the newsgroup that is a >> Web TV Specialist that could FAX the instructions on how one >> of those gizmo's work... Send me an email if you could help >> on the above... k9uwa at arrl dot net >> >> Anyone that would like to send a card can do so... >> Bill Turner >> 1117 Pike St >> Saint Charles, MO 63301 >> >> Also you can FAX a card to him as Sally will pick them up >> and take them to the nursing home for him to read.. Phone: 636-949-2210 >> >> Eddie I think it was a week ago last Friday when Bill had >> the stroke ... >> Hopefully Bill gets back to normal or as close to it as possible >> soon.... >> John k9uwa >> > > As many of you know...I'm the webmaster for Bill's website. > > Its probably not a good idea to flood his WebTV mailbox with good wishes > because he might have some trouble weeding thru the mountain of emails > that accumulate. > > If you'd like to pass on well-wishes, you can send them to me at > exray@coqui.net and I'll try to put them on a single webpage for easier > access for Bill when he gets back home. > > My prayer is out for this fine gentleman who has contributed to us radio > hobbyists for two or three decades with his accumulated practical > knowledge and skills. > > -Bill M Article: 317906 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DaveW Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:19:38 GMT xrongor wrote: > on the other hand there are those who think there is some moral high ground > to what percentage of what they paid actually went to shipping and handling > and how much went to the actual item. these people go berzerk over handling > fees. they feel fine buying something for 3$ with 1$ shipping, but wouldnt > dream of bidding 1$ on the same item with 3$ shipping. so the seller loses > these potential bidders. > Well, actually, not necessairly. I was looking for a replacement for a Sony Sports walkman...specificly with a cassette player including Dolby B since most of my vast collection of homemade tapes have Dolby. I won't go into what happened to my old walkman...it may be repairable. But it appears that portable cassette players with Dolby are no longer being manufactured, so I decided to find a repalcement on Ebay. After losing a couple of auctions (these things go for more than I thought!), I found one listed at $1 with $13 shipping. The seller had excellent feedback, but a glance at their other autions revealed that they always have a rediculously low sale price and rediculously high shipping. They are cheating Ebay, I guess, but I got my walkman for a fair total price, well packed, shipped fast and so on. I didn't report the seller's practices to Ebay, since I was benefiting >from them, but I showed the auction to a coworker, who is a "power seller" and he reported it. I haven't checked back, but I don't think Ebay did anything. Face it, unless the item is rare, we are only really interested in total price and decent packing. So long as everything is stated up front, I have no problem with folks charging for their time and materials. The only thing that would really get me is if the charges were added later. Regards, DAve Article: 317907 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:26:53 GMT -ex- wrote: > > xrongor wrote: > > > if a seller changes the costs after the auction, i would suggest not buying > > the item. > > Thats a brilliant suggestion. And just how is one to determine that > when bidding? > > I have a suggestion. Assume that ALL sellers might try to screw you one > way or another and bid accordingly. > > -Bill I bid as if everything is scrap, unless I know better. BTW, I had a local auctioneer e-mail me last night, and give me a couple truck loads of old computers, software and parts today. He said he gets some antique radios from time to time, and little interest at the auctions so he said that he would let me know when a radio was going to be at an auction so an offer could be made before it was listed in the auction fliers, if the owners agree to it. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317908 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:45:16 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > I bid as if everything is scrap, unless I know better. BTW, I had a > local auctioneer e-mail me last night, and give me a couple truck loads > of old computers, software and parts today. Short on ammunition to keep 'em away, huh Michael? He said he gets some antique > radios from time to time, and little interest at the auctions so he said > that he would let me know when a radio was going to be at an auction so > an offer could be made before it was listed in the auction fliers, if > the owners agree to it. > A few well placed rounds might keep your yard from becoming the next Marion County EPA Superfund Site. The guy has obviously labelled you as a patsy where he can dump his stuff. I'm not saying it that way just to be an asshole...I've seen (in Colorado) how the "computer recyclers" work. You'd rather have septic haulers as your buddies. One of you Denver guys thats been up to Ault....tell Michael about what you see to the right hand side of the highway going out of town up there -Bill Article: 317909 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1117961402.468294.55740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1118830840.590870.108160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1118913004.119096.84750@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1120034622.460181.9020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: wtb info on Soundscriber S124 2" tape deck Message-ID: <5Jtwe.1454$S17.249187@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:20:01 GMT "flashbk13" wrote in message news:1120034622.460181.9020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... | You've got mail :) Rick. You might want to try one of the pro audio or guitar based groups. Not may of us own or have knowledge of anything bigger than consumer RTR decks, so we probably haven't got a clue. Thank you for inquiring, and I hope your answer returns swiftly, no matter. Article: 317910 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:22:40 GMT "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net... | -ex- wrote: | Bill, I am collecting and repairing PC compatible computers to give | to the disabled veterans in marion county. There is a local program | that teaches people to solder who want the scrap circuit boards. That | leaves some sheet metal and plastic trim, but that the county will | accept. the steel for recycling, and the plastic as waste, but I'm | trying to find someone who can use it to mold new plastic items from. | It is reused in a lot of areas of the US these days. | | Take a look at http://home.earthlink.net/~computersforvets/ to see | what I'm trying to do. People donate computers, whole systems, or spare | parts. I teach people how to fix the computers for free, then the | computers will be turned over to the local "Vets helping Vets" | organization, and some veterans groups to be delivered to the homes (or | nursing homes) for disabled veterans to use. Some of the computers I | have worked on are better than what I have for myself, and I am using | one of the older computers to handle the E-mail and keep track of the | offers and equipment till I get everything set up the way I want it. | (Broadband and a router DO come in handy that way.) Most of the people | drop the computer systems off at my church so I don't have to drive all | over the county picking things up. | | There as over 40,000 veterans in Marion County. SOme are young | people, the majority are senior citizens, and some are in nursing homes, | or assisted living centers. Others are disabled and live by | themselves. All I care is that if one of the veterans groups decides | that the individual or the home meets their requirements, I will try to | supply them with a computer. My goal for the first 12 months is 100 | complete computer systems in the hands of those who need them. | | I am supposed to go on WOCA radio's "Veterans News" program to discuss | this project with the Marion County director of "Vets helping Vets" who | hosts the show. I started this, after talking to quite a few veterans | while riding the DAV shuttle van to the VA hospital on the countless | trips I've made to Gainsville. A lot of the guys told me that want, and | can't afford a computer so I decided to try to help them. I can't do | much these days, but I can still work on computers, as long as someone | else does the grunt work of pickup and delivery. | | A young man from my church is helping me while he's out of school for | the summer and he has learned quite a bit already. Right now I'm | teaching him how to clean up the registry on the computer to remove any | trace of the original owners name or address, since this is one of the | conditions some people ask for. Any programs like Quicken, or Microsoft | Money are removed, and all document files are erased and overwritten | with software from the different hard drive manufacturers to permanently | remove it form the hard drive(s). All I get out of it is something to | occupy a few hours a day doing something constructive. | | -- | Former professional electron wrangler. | | Michael A. Terrell | Central Florida If I have anything you can use in my cards, I will send it. Article: 317911 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" Subject: Neat deal for those of you who had 70s vintage audio Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:46:25 GMT Local auction had 80s Altec Lansings, but that wasn't all I was after... Allied sold a 3-way 12" Utah system in the early 1970s for around 90 bucks a speaker I've read or 1/2 price so that was for both if you were lucky. The model was A-90. My drivers and crossovers seem to be just fine, but maybe one of the recent stroms soaked the bottoms, made of veneered particleboard. PB is in a jam as its wet, and maybe toast on one, so I have to dry and repair the cabs. I'd like some opinions on how to save the cabs and fix the botttoms. PS $9.00/pair : )))) They are keepers and go in the bedroom (Pioneer) DVD audio set, as they go with 1971 receivers, ~1970-6? speakers and 1975-77 cassette decks. Article: 317912 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" Subject: PING Michael A. Terrell--donations Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:07:41 GMT and a notice to either relax any SPAM setting temporarily or email back to charlemaine@srvinet.com about what parts I can send to help you. depending on what you get in, I might be able to send enough to help some from my personal stash. Serious. I get everybodies strays too. Article: 317913 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "N Cook" Subject: Reconditioning old phono sockets Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:54:51 +0100 Message-ID: I've just repaired someone's Rogers domestic stereo valve amp. He wants something doing about the 12 'loose' phono (signal ) sockets on the rear. These are plated brass of the same material as paxolin backed tag board. Thin plated brass strip curved both ways ino a cylinder with a gap so of course opens out over time and use. They are easily accessible as a side panel is removable but anything better than just squashing each one with pliers. Rubber Hellerman sleeve slid over each with 3-jaw expander pliers is all i can think of but will it work? Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Article: 317914 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:29:37 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > much these days, but I can still work on computers, as long as someone > else does the grunt work of pickup and delivery. Thats a fine effort, Michael. But be careful of the dumping aspect, though, because computer leftovers in bulk can be difficult to get rid of when it comes time. You don't want to become the de facto computer dumping off place in Marion County because it may wind up costing you a lot of money if you are doing this on a grand scale. -Bill Article: 317915 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jakdedert" References: Subject: Re: Reconditioning old phono sockets Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:57:55 -0500 N Cook wrote: > I've just repaired someone's Rogers domestic stereo valve amp. He > wants something doing about the 12 'loose' phono (signal ) sockets on > the rear. These are plated brass of the same material as paxolin > backed > tag board. Thin plated brass strip curved both ways ino a cylinder > with a gap so of course opens out over time and use. > They are easily accessible as a side panel is removable > but anything better than just squashing each one with pliers. > Rubber Hellerman sleeve slid over each with 3-jaw expander pliers > is all i can think of but will it work? It might, but would require unsoldering each to install. Considering the infrequency with which these are usually disconnected, I think I'd just 'squash' em and be done with it. A dose of Cramolin wouldn't be out of order.... jak > > > Diverse Devices, Southampton, England > electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Sat Jul 9 09:21:40 EDT 2005 Article: 317916 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:00:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1120060849 66.65.49.245 (Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:00:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:00:49 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317916 In article <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET>, -ex- wrote: > dumping off place in Marion County because it may wind up costing you a > lot of money if you are doing this on a grand scale. The American "recyclers" then ship these things out to China in huge container loads where people working for pennies a day are subjected to stinging fumes as they try to extract gold from microchips and copper from wires and circuit boards. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 317917 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: David Stinson Subject: OT: (Was: What's with ...) References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:18:39 GMT Stephanie Weil wrote: > The American "recyclers" then ship these things out to China in huge > container loads where people working for pennies a day are subjected to > stinging fumes as they try to extract gold from microchips and copper from > wires and circuit boards. China's citizens will pay in the long run. The "fumes" come from a cyanide solution. The fumes will eventually cause cancer in a large number of the unprotected workers (I've known a couple of Nevada gold mine workers who finished-up this way). China's people can then foot the bill for their care. Capitalism has its flaws. One of them is the short- sighted, greed-based refusal to learn the lesson: "Pay me now or pay me later." Trouble is: the loathsome, suited criminals that run the corporations figure they will be long gone with their multi-million-dollar bail-out packages before "pay me later" comes around. We consumers/taxpayers get to hold the "bag." Dave S. Article: 317918 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "N Cook" Subject: Re: Reconditioning old phono sockets Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:46:54 +0100 Message-ID: References: "jakdedert" wrote in message news:qszwe.3108$Tt.2891@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > N Cook wrote: > > I've just repaired someone's Rogers domestic stereo valve amp. He > > wants something doing about the 12 'loose' phono (signal ) sockets on > > the rear. These are plated brass of the same material as paxolin > > backed > > tag board. Thin plated brass strip curved both ways ino a cylinder > > with a gap so of course opens out over time and use. > > They are easily accessible as a side panel is removable > > but anything better than just squashing each one with pliers. > > Rubber Hellerman sleeve slid over each with 3-jaw expander pliers > > is all i can think of but will it work? > > It might, but would require unsoldering each to install. Considering the > infrequency with which these are usually disconnected, I think I'd just > 'squash' em and be done with it. A dose of Cramolin wouldn't be out of > order.... > > jak > > > > > > > Diverse Devices, Southampton, England > > electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on > > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ > > just thought of cutting small grommet to encircle each then tighten a small cable tie round each to avoid desoldering everything Cramolin ? Article: 317919 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42C2D259.EC8787A0@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:55:06 GMT -ex- wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > > much these days, but I can still work on computers, as long as someone > > else does the grunt work of pickup and delivery. > > Thats a fine effort, Michael. But be careful of the dumping aspect, > though, because computer leftovers in bulk can be difficult to get rid > of when it comes time. You don't want to become the de facto computer > dumping off place in Marion County because it may wind up costing you a > lot of money if you are doing this on a grand scale. > > -Bill The county collects and disposes of old computers by shipping them to a prison in the panhandle right now. There is no charge to an individual, but business have to contact the company and pay a flat price per piece. I'm just trying to divert some of it for reuse. One local company replaced almost 100 working, two year old computers last month and I missed out on them. I am also trying to contact the county's recycling coordinator to make sure they will still take dead monitors. I am trying to find a usable laptop to make sure monitors work before I pick them up. Everything else is easy to legally dispose of in marion county. I can sell the scrap steel and aluminum to help pay for the gasoline needed to pick the stuff up. Someone else wants all the scrap boards so that just leaves a couple ounces of plastic per computer to throw away if I can't find someone who wants it. There are dozens of people trying to make a living off used computers around here. They show up at the "Markets of Marion" flea market for a short while, till they piss off too many people and get thrown out. A few weeks later, someone else is doing it in another stall. I doubt that I could corner the market on old computers. Too many thrift stores will sell them, till they tire of people bringing things back. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317920 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "sofie" Subject: Re: Reconditioning old phono sockets Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:30:12 -0700 Message-ID: <11c5moca680g232@corp.supernews.com> References: cramolin = contact cleaner - - - - - - "N Cook" wrote in message news:d9uj50$2ao$1@inews.gazeta.pl... > "jakdedert" wrote in message > news:qszwe.3108$Tt.2891@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > > N Cook wrote: > > > I've just repaired someone's Rogers domestic stereo valve amp. He > > > wants something doing about the 12 'loose' phono (signal ) sockets on > > > the rear. These are plated brass of the same material as paxolin > > > backed > > > tag board. Thin plated brass strip curved both ways ino a cylinder > > > with a gap so of course opens out over time and use. > > > They are easily accessible as a side panel is removable > > > but anything better than just squashing each one with pliers. > > > Rubber Hellerman sleeve slid over each with 3-jaw expander pliers > > > is all i can think of but will it work? > > > > It might, but would require unsoldering each to install. Considering the > > infrequency with which these are usually disconnected, I think I'd just > > 'squash' em and be done with it. A dose of Cramolin wouldn't be out of > > order.... > > > > jak > > > > > > > > > > > Diverse Devices, Southampton, England > > > electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on > > > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ > > > > > > just thought of cutting small grommet to encircle each then tighten > a small cable tie round each to avoid desoldering everything > > Cramolin ? > > Article: 317921 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dennis Daly" Subject: WTB: Lamp Socket for Hickok Tube Tester Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:33:34 GMT For the type 81 line fuse lamp in a model 800A. BA-15s base, rated @ 125V, 75W. Two opposed radial lugs for wiring. Fits models 600A, 800A and others. Maybe even the 532/533/534 and "A" series? Not sure. With about a 1 1/2" long mounting bracket with elongated slot along center line Bracket is electrically isolated from shell. A must. So- Anyone with a junker Hickok panel (or anything else that uses this same type/ style of socket) -wish to sell me one? I'm offering $10 for a good one. Thanks, Den Article: 317922 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Coronado 907 project References: <1120074687.578849.259400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:15:28 -0400 If the speaker isn't rubbing, a patch is all you need. Bill Turner does dial faces http://www.dialcover.com/ chvjillson@aol.com wrote: > Hi folks: > > I'm trying to restore a Coronado model 907 AM radio for a friend of > mine. The radio needs a new plastic dial face (it's cracked in two > places) and a speaker that has a hole in the paper cone (about 1" > wide). > > Does anybody have any spare parts for this model radio? Also, would > it be possible to re-cone the existing speaker? > > Thanks > > Clark > KB9SJD > Article: 317923 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: OT: (Was: What's with ...) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:27:27 -0600 Message-ID: References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> <1120076727.974287.295520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1120076727.974287.295520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I never thought I would think that Dave Stinson and William Sommerwerck > would/could be on nearly the same page at the same time in this > lifetime.... > > Howsomeever, sometimes even pigs have wings whether the sea is boiling > hot or not. > > And, yes, China does have something like 17 of the top 22 most polluted > cities on earth at this moment. And it is getting much worse, very > quickly. Between burning huge quantities of high-sulphur coal, damming > most of their rivers for power, and not enforcing _any_ pollution > requirements what so ever, they are starting to cause massive acid > rainfalls in Japan and elsewhere, crop failures and other nasties all > along the prevailing wind currents. But, we are still continuing to > support all that, and they are continuing to suck up our government's > debt. I guess we get our cash back as now as a loan, and we send all > our pollution from primary manufacturing over there in return. Fair is > fair, after all. > > Sorry for being cynical, but we are sure beginning to pay the price for > being fat, asleep and lazy these last 20 years or so. We can bleat > about productivity and how much better we are here than _anywhere else_ > (and for the most part that is true), but it ain't necessarily so for > much longer unless we wake up fast and start responding to the 'real > world'. > > Yaknow.... In the great order of things, "shipping & handling" charges > relative the real risks out there is an interesting object lesson. > Either you "ask" and respond accordingly, look carefully (assuming fill > disclosure from the seller), or get unpleasantly surprised. When it > comes to our future as a nation and our way of life as individuals, we > had better start _asking_ and we had better start _demanding_ straight > answers. Because that is not the natural state of politicians... and > they truly will try to screw us at every chance, even if not directly > on purpose. We are being well-and-truly ****** by the tripe-in-training > that is our present government. American Airlines is the tip of the > iceberg. Huffy Bicycles is about to go bankrupt, put their pensions on > the Feds, _and_ then sell out to a Chinese company. All in one neat > package. All courtesy of your Congress. This is happening by increments > every single day. Go for it! hey watch it. we have the best damn government money can buy!! randy From philsvintageradios<----- remove ----- Sat Jul 9 09:21:42 EDT 2005 Article: 317924 of rec.antiques.radio+phono X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.87.157.110 From: phil < philsvintageradios<----- remove ----->@yahoo.ca > Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:31:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.59.144.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1120080665 64.59.144.75 (Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:31:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:31:05 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.bu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!news-out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling.newsfeeds.com!news-in.newsgroups.com!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317924 On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:00:07 GMT, Stephanie Weil wrote: >Been noticing this more and more on E-bay auctions. > >Seller tacks on a 1 or 2 dollar "handling charge" or "packaging" charge. > >Of course the item comes to you wrapped in wadded up newspaper in some >recycled box. Is this what you pay a "handling charge" for? > >What gives with that. Jeeze. I have been caught by sellers adding handling charges after the sale and my take is that any handling charges should be stated in the sale, that it should not be something that is negotiable after the sale. Now , if I am remotely interested in an item I ask for the exact shipping cost before bidding. this means a lot of extra work for sellers as they must respond to my request, otherwise I won't bid. In most cases I just watch the thing go by anyway as the price climbs toward the end of the auction. I think it is a problem with ebay and it is up to them to sort this out and lay ground rules for extra charges. I am sure many sellers must get discouraged by needing to answer numerous requests for shipping costs. If a seller ads more than the shipping cost after the sale, and does not state so in the auction I feel it is fair to ad this fact when posting feedback, wheather the feedback is negative , or positive it can still have "seller added XXX ammount after the sale completed" I find that , because I am in Canada ,many sellers estimate high when responding to shipping cost requests. I have had times where I simply wrote back after recieving the item and said it cost you XXX ammount to post the item, and you charged me XX for shipping , so you owe me a difference of xxx ammount. It is fair for sellers to charge what they want for packing /handling, but if this charge is not stated up front in the auction ,I feel it should not be tolerated. That is my opinion. also one reason why I buy less and less this way. Ebay could simply have a field for the seller to fill in for packing costs, and force the seller to fill in this value when setting up the auction. Phil Article: 317925 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" Subject: Ebay id? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:20:14 GMT Does anyone have any idea who uses indianaradios as their ebay ID? Ron Article: 317926 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Sparky" References: Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:33:16 GMT "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message news:slrndc3ein.r1f.stephanie@home3.gordsven.com... > Been noticing this more and more on E-bay auctions. > > Seller tacks on a 1 or 2 dollar "handling charge" or "packaging" charge. > > Of course the item comes to you wrapped in wadded up newspaper in some > recycled box. Is this what you pay a "handling charge" for? > > What gives with that. Jeeze. It is called an extra profit. Quite similar to a buyers premiem at some live auctions. > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, U.S.A. Article: 317927 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: Subject: Re: Ebay id? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:04:37 GMT I got it, THANKS. Ron > Does anyone have any idea who uses indianaradios > as their ebay ID? > Article: 317928 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Don Wall Subject: EV 1477 idler for RCA 45 phono needed Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:23:55 GMT Need source for EV 1477 idler wheel for RCA 45-J phono, or method for removing flat spot caused by long storage. Thanks! Don Wall don.akela@verizon.net Article: 317929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Don Wall Subject: Re: Testing old electrolytics Avery References: <20041127130454.15947.00001279@mb-m02.aol.com> <9024-41AA1E63-15@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:34:45 GMT I agree with Ken, I have replaced many electrolytics with old stock, and have never reformed them, and never had a problem. I have used twist locks that I had left over from my TV repair business of 40 years ago! As for them failing in 5 to 10 years, I may fail in that much time! Don Wall Ken G. wrote: > Avery > After working with this type of electronics for over 30 years > > I suggest not using the axial lead single type capacitors that have the > old paper cover over the aluminum body simply because i have seen a > large % of those being bad over the years and you can buy nice > replacement fairly cheap and if you like you can slide the old paper > cover off the old cap and fit it onto the new ones . > > On this same style cap i do have a few axial lead 22@ 350 and 450 volt > made by Nichicon with the thin blue plastic shrink covering that are > 100% good and probably better quality than the new chinese stuff and i > freely use them . > > Twist lock can capacitors are sometimes hard to replace where new caps > will not fit under the chassis especially when one has 4 capacitors in > it . > > Trying to empty one of these twist lock capacitors is ``in sane`` what > you have to go through .. it is not easy .. at all ... In most cases so > saving and using these makes good sence to me . > > As for `reforming` this is something that is not necessary unless you > simply have the time and enjoy it ..lets put it this way , if a > capacitor is bad .. its bad and trying to fix something like a capacitor > is not a good idea . If a capacitor is good put it in the circuit and > try it . This applys only to new old stock as described above . > > You can go through reforming capacitors > Or you can skip that procedure and you will have the exact same > capacitor in your hand . > Best of luck :-) > > > Article: 317930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Don Wall Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:51:24 GMT And if I remember right, Antique Electronics Supply was charging a handling fee for small orders, as do some other electronic suppliers and other businesses. I don't like it either, but if it's up front, I know about it, and if I want to order, I do. Same with eBay, I don't charge a handling charge, only actual shipping, but I don't think that every other eBay seller should be required to adopt my selling practices. I'm not defending crooks; a reasonable handling charge, though I'd prefer not to pay it, is justifiable in terms of time spent packing and materials cost. It's not always easy to build these costs into the selling price. My biggest gripe is sellers who state '$5.50 Priority Mail' when I know it's a paperback book which will fit into a Flat Rate envelope and go for $3.85. Incidentally, the new USPS Flat Rate boxes are wonderful! I am shipping stuff for $7.70 which I used to pay $24 for via UPS, and that makes it a whole lot easier to sell items! The larger flat one fits into mail box slots, too, so after I print the label with postage, via PayPal, I don't even have to go to the post office, just drop it in the nearest mailbox! I think the post office is striking back at UPS, and I also think they're going to succeed in taking back some of the business. Don Wall xrongor wrote: > why the handling charges? lots of reasons. > > because ebay doesnt get a percentage of 'handling' fees, it would be better > for the seller to add more handling fee and get less for the item. > > and as was mentioned, there is a cost associated with shipping the item > beyond the actual shipping charges. > > but thats not what prompts these discussions. there seems to be a human > trait whereby if someone try's to charge more for their TIME than someone > else thinks it is worth, others will judge them as having evil intentions. > > what are these evil intentions? well for one there is a side effect of > 'handling fees' that is in the advantage of the seller: some people who are > either new to ebay, or caught up in auction fever forget to add shipping, > handling, and the item cost to come up with a total cost. then when they > realize what they done, instead of blame themselves they blame the seller > for tricking them. > > did the seller trick them? maybe, maybe not, but if this tricked you more > than once..... > > on the other hand there are those who think there is some moral high ground > to what percentage of what they paid actually went to shipping and handling > and how much went to the actual item. these people go berzerk over handling > fees. they feel fine buying something for 3$ with 1$ shipping, but wouldnt > dream of bidding 1$ on the same item with 3$ shipping. so the seller loses > these potential bidders. > > so is the seller gouging by charging more than actual shipping and handling > charges? maybe. maybe not. but other sellers use the 'free shipping and > handling' strategy and hope to get the price of the item up that way. the > theory being that you will get more bidders and may start a bidding war. so > are they trying to cause auction fever and manipulate the buyers into > bidding frenzy? of course. > > my point being that ALL sellers are trying to get a maximum price. if all > costs are up front imho the seller is not doing anything wrong. > > if a seller changes the costs after the auction, i would suggest not buying > the item. > > a seller who packs items poorly is a bad seller regardless of what he > charged for shipping and handling. to complain that he charged too much > then packed it bad is irrelevant. by that logic if he offerered free s&h > somehow it would be ok if the item wasnt packed well? > > in any case, there is one good reason from a buyers perspective not to pay > too high of a percentage to handling or shipping charges. whatever > guarantee you have from ebay/paypal is only limited to the item cost. > > randy > > "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message > news:slrndc3ein.r1f.stephanie@home3.gordsven.com... > >>Been noticing this more and more on E-bay auctions. >> >>Seller tacks on a 1 or 2 dollar "handling charge" or "packaging" charge. >> >>Of course the item comes to you wrapped in wadded up newspaper in some >>recycled box. Is this what you pay a "handling charge" for? >> >>What gives with that. Jeeze. >> >>-- >>Stephanie Weil >>New York City, U.S.A. > > > Article: 317931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Don Wall Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:53:36 GMT Sounds like you have been burned, Bill, but don't blame all sellers for that. In almost ten years on eBay, I had ONE seller try to get me to pay an extra $5 for a box after the sale (I refused). I have found that most people are honest, at least on eBay, whatever cynics may think. Don Wall -ex- wrote: > xrongor wrote: > > >> if a seller changes the costs after the auction, i would suggest not >> buying the item. > > > Thats a brilliant suggestion. And just how is one to determine that > when bidding? > > I have a suggestion. Assume that ALL sellers might try to screw you one > way or another and bid accordingly. > > > -Bill Article: 317932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carter Grabarczyk Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:55:55 GMT Sparky wrote: > >> Been noticing this more and more on E-bay auctions. >> >> Seller tacks on a 1 or 2 dollar "handling charge" or "packaging" >> charge. >> >> Of course the item comes to you wrapped in wadded up newspaper in >> some recycled box. Is this what you pay a "handling charge" for? >> Some (many?) eBay sellers do charge a bogus handling fee, but don't tar everyone with the same brush...when I sell things on eBay, I say "Buyer pays shipping and packaging from zip xxxxx". I do not use "wadded up newspaper in some recycled box". I buy bubble wrap, foam peanuts and new boxes purchased at Office Depot/Office Max/Staples (whoever has the best price or sale at the time). In case you haven't looked lately, this stuff ain't cheap! I also charge *exactly* what UPS or FedEx charges me. So, if shipping is "x" and the packaging materials are "y", all I charge the customer is x + y. Technically, I'm probably losing money because I do not charge for my time or gas chasing down the materials above. I just figure it's the cost of doing business... Regards, Carter K8VT Article: 317933 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:59:51 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: Message-ID: <47dbf$42c3521b$4232be46$25206@COQUI.NET> Don Wall wrote: > Sounds like you have been burned, Bill, but don't blame all sellers for > that. In almost ten years on eBay, I had ONE seller try to get me to pay > an extra $5 for a box after the sale (I refused). I have found that > most people are honest, at least on eBay, whatever cynics may think. > > Don Wall I'm not blaming ALL sellers. The dilemma is knowing in advance which ones are gonna screw with ya! You're right, 99.9% are honest folks. -Bill > > -ex- wrote: > >> I have a suggestion. Assume that ALL sellers might try to screw you >> one way or another and bid accordingly. >> >> >> -Bill > > Article: 317934 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:02:09 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: Message-ID: Carter Grabarczyk wrote: > > Some (many?) eBay sellers do charge a bogus handling fee, but don't tar > everyone with the same brush...when I sell things on eBay, I say "Buyer > pays shipping and packaging from zip xxxxx". Do you state how much the packaging will cost? Or is it in the calculator? -Bill Article: 317935 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ish Subject: Re: OT: (Was: What's with ...) Message-ID: <1al6c15umi7c2qaic818el314lpvaq63jf@4ax.com> References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> <1120076727.974287.295520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:16:07 GMT On 29 Jun 2005 13:25:28 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: > >Sorry for being cynical, but we are sure beginning to pay the price for >being fat, asleep and lazy these last 20 years or so. We can bleat >iceberg. Huffy Bicycles is about to go bankrupt, put their pensions on >the Feds, _and_ then sell out to a Chinese company. All in one neat >package. All courtesy of your Congress. This is happening by increments >every single day. Go for it! > >Peter Wieck >Wyncote, PA > > Good points! Not to mention Maytag appliances and Unolocal Mike Article: 317936 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: shellac question From: Vern Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:46:02 GMT I want to apply shellac to the veneer on my old console radio as shellac was the original finish. Should I prep the wood? Does it matter if I use the white tint or orange tinted shellac? Thanks Article: 317937 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: What Every Fashionable Collector Is Wearing This Summer Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1119637551.007426.187540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "Mike Koste" writes: >And to complete your ensemble, how about a pair of madras shorts, a >pocket protector, black socks and sandals. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6541789970 It's not "one of a kind". I know someone who has one. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 317938 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jim Murphy" Subject: FA: National Radio Industries Signal Tracer RARE closing up shop Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:50:57 GMT Sorry to bother the group with an auction but I think this is a very unusual piece of test equipment and so wanted to pass on to everyone so that an interested party would not miss it. Item # 7527329177 URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7527329177&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT After many years of collecting and restoring old tube radios I am cleaning out the shop. This is the first of a number of items of test equipment, parts and radios to be auctioned. If you are interested in some of these things do a search on my eBay user name which is SOUNDCON Thanks, Jim Murphy Article: 317939 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dennis Daly" References: Subject: Re: Who owns a Hickock 539-A, B, or C tube tester? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 03:14:17 GMT "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:mdc6c15989l817rdesmnjrbupj0bhmhscm@4ax.com... > I bought a 539-A used a couple of years ago and just now had to delve > into the folder of information I got with it. Evidently the previous > owner sent an inquiry into the Hickock company to see if he could get > this tester updated. Hickock said that, "due to unavailable switching > and voltage requirements necessary to update, the model 539A cannot be > updated." > > Consequently, I ended up with a roll chart in the 539-A, a manual, > supplementary test data for models B and C, tube data for a 539-C, > and Foreign tube types supplementary test data. The data on the > manual is 1963. > > Also, a couple of sheets from Hickock that explain how to convert tube > data from the 539-C to the 539-A. > > There's also a home built adapter for this tester and some sheets of > information about adapters for Hickocks. > > I was wondering if anyone had a need for any of this information as > it's usually difficult or expensive to obtain it. > > I can scan some or all of it for a small fee or whatever. > .... > Blacksmith > I'd be happy to pay for any additional applicable info for my 539A model to extend its capabilities. I have a 1961-dated roll chart installed, and purchased a paper scan of a 1957-dated roll chart and a copy of the instruction manual. Please contact me via e-mail and include a price and your address? Thanks, Den Article: 317940 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: shellac question References: Message-ID: <_7Kwe.1921$aA5.1144@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:00:58 GMT How old is the radio? I suspect that it was NOT finished with shellac. A good test is to wipe a small out of sight portion of the finish with a Q-tip dipped in denatured alcohol. If it IS shellac, you will disolve the finish. If it has no effect, then it is a lacquer finish instead. Jeff Vern wrote: > I want to apply shellac to the veneer on my old console radio as > shellac was the original finish. Should I prep the wood? Does > it matter if I use the white tint or orange tinted shellac? > Thanks -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317941 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Radio Rambler Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:01:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3ih94gFlej6dU1@individual.net> References: phil wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:00:07 GMT, Stephanie Weil > wrote: > >>Been noticing this more and more on E-bay auctions. >> >>Seller tacks on a 1 or 2 dollar "handling charge" or "packaging" charge. >> >>Of course the item comes to you wrapped in wadded up newspaper in some >>recycled box. Is this what you pay a "handling charge" for? >> >>What gives with that. Jeeze. > > I have been caught by sellers adding handling charges after the sale > and my take is that any handling charges should be stated in the sale, > that it should not be something that is negotiable after the sale. > > Now , if I am remotely interested in an item I ask for the exact > shipping cost before bidding. this means a lot of extra work for > sellers as they must respond to my request, otherwise I won't bid. > In most cases I just watch the thing go by anyway as the price climbs > toward the end of the auction. > > I think it is a problem with ebay and it is up to them to sort this > out and lay ground rules for extra charges. I am sure many sellers > must get discouraged by needing to answer numerous requests for > shipping costs. > > If a seller ads more than the shipping cost after the sale, and does > not state so in the auction I feel it is fair to ad this fact when > posting feedback, wheather the feedback is negative , or positive it > can still have "seller added XXX ammount after the sale completed" > > I find that , because I am in Canada ,many sellers estimate high when > responding to shipping cost requests. I have had times where I > simply wrote back after recieving the item and said it cost you XXX > ammount to post the item, and you charged me XX for shipping , so you > owe me a difference of xxx ammount. > > It is fair for sellers to charge what they want for packing /handling, > but if this charge is not stated up front in the auction ,I feel it > should not be tolerated. That is my opinion. also one reason why I buy > less and less this way. Ebay could simply have a field for the seller > to fill in for packing costs, and force the seller to fill in this > value when setting up the auction. > > > > Phil well theres one thing that is not being brought up about this subject is the fact that often the seller is burned by the additional fees brought on by ebays percentage & the fees that paypal charges when the buyer pays through paypal using his/her credit card. this is really a problem when you are selling a high value item. i just recently learned my lesson from selling a cell phone amplifier for a freind who owed me money. the item brought $172 at the end & i had a flat rate shipping fee set at only $10. the actual shipping was a little over $9.00. however, because the buyer used a credit card through paypal, paypal charged me almost $6.00 for the transaction fee. ebay also charged me a little over $5.00 too. thats over $11. how do you recover that? i decided from now on, any item that i know has any value ($100 or over), i am going to tack a handling fee on it. -- The Shadow Knows Article: 317942 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: Reconditioning old phono sockets Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:38:05 -0500 Message-ID: <8lo6c1d4ts7efi6e32fr9svreh0a6qe6d8@4ax.com> References: On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:54:51 +0100 "N Cook" wrote: >Rubber Hellerman sleeve slid over each with 3-jaw expander pliers >is all i can think of but will it work? Help me out here. What is a Hellerman sleeve? - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- Article: 317943 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:21:57 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Reconditioning old phono sockets References: <8lo6c1d4ts7efi6e32fr9svreh0a6qe6d8@4ax.com> Message-ID: <55a4c$42c37369$4232be46$26535@COQUI.NET> Jim Adney wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:54:51 +0100 "N Cook" wrote: > > >>Rubber Hellerman sleeve slid over each with 3-jaw expander pliers >>is all i can think of but will it work? > > > Help me out here. What is a Hellerman sleeve? This explains it... http://www.hstech.org/howto/sound/mics/head_worn_microphones.htm -Bill Article: 317944 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: lots of vinyl LP's-cassettes-Ebay-SUPER CHEAP- Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:20:30 -0700 Message-ID: References: <42c23685$1_1@x-privat.org> <42c2515e_3@x-privat.org> <1120077694.307239.76750@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1120094911.598256.124870@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 29 Jun 2005 18:28:31 -0700, "tripping28track" wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ This is the real Bob Scarborough...the real DeserTBoB. The OP who originally posted this spam is Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA, a confirmed con artist and spammer. He shows up under a variety of different names, and since I've been campaigning to have him turned in for spamming, he's been using my name and nick everywhere. Nudo's home ISP is epix.net. You might want to try sending a spam complaint to Epix clicking this link: netreg@epix.net ...and including all the following: ________________ Path: spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "tripping28track" Newsgroups: alt.collecting.8-track-tapes,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.mountain-bike,rec.backcountry Subject: lots of vinyl LP's-cassettes-Ebay-SUPER CHEAP- Date: 29 Jun 2005 18:28:31 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1120094911.598256.124870@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1118868784.722161.221650@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <42bf69e0$1_1@x-privat.org> <1119877685.184115.120790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119960983.255755.269830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <42c23685$1_1@x-privat.org> <42c2515e_3@x-privat.org> <1120077694.307239.76750@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.74.19.155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1120094917 1066 127.0.0.1 (30 Jun 2005 01:28:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:28:37 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=209.74.19.155; posting-account=R5XwTwwAAABtriNxMt2ZCT-EBPOxX-OS Xref: spln alt.collecting.8-track-tapes:33984 misc.consumers.frugal-living:616129 alt.mountain-bike:466358 rec.backcountry:342629 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6543112086&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4743573084&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4743573325&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 ____________________ As you can see, the posting host is epix.net, and they'd probably like to shut off another spammer. Also, it'd be nice to cc a copy to group-abuse@google.com , but they don't seem to care very much. Charlie Nudo is a confirmed spammer, petty criminal, con artist and fraudster. Please do not participate in his fraud auctions as it keeps him spamming and selling his crap on eBay and Usenet. Article: 317945 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem From: Larry W4CSC References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:52:59 -0400 "Gary Tayman" wrote in news:Q7Kwe.1215$aY6.304@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net: > Be advised -- Paypal can wipe your bank account clean, blame you for > it, and refuse to correct it. Is there some governing body I can > contact? Until then, better to use a credit card, where there is at > least some protection. > > Any entity can wipe out your bank account, now. It's called "Check 21" and it was done in response to the banking system nearly collapsing after 9/11/01. Billions and Billions of dollars in unpaid checks piled up on closed runways, waiting for airlines to deliver them to bank centers across the planet. So, "Check 21" was schemed to give the computers, alone, access to your perceived money. Your check is shredded, your legal paper trail proving you paid your house payment destroyed. There IS hope, however, but you have to play this new game the right way, keying in on the new buzzwords...."substitute check" and "voluntary check truncation"..... "Substitute check" forces, by Federal law, banks to produce and send to you bank-certified images of BOTH SIDES of your original checks. "Substitute checks" DOES give you a legally-accepted receipt of payment, like holding your old check in your hand, properly paid and cancelled on the back, did. "Voluntary Check Truncation" allows the banks to automatically give VCT to you without your permission. Most of you are already on it, as it infected the banking system over a period of time long before Check 21 actually came into fruition. "Voluntary Check Truncation", also, under Check 21, takes away all your rights to many important federal banking laws banks don't like. As it was done, on the sly, the stupid public just let them do it because banks made it LOOK like you had no choice....but you do. The most imformative document I've found on Check 21 is from Consumer's Union: http://www.consumersunion.org/finance/ckclear1002.htm It gives you solid information banks don't want you to have. Things like asking for recredit when banks screw up IN WRITING...asking for Substitute Checks on all your checks, a part of the new federal law they can't weasle out of, and most important, "Don't sign up for Voluntary Check Truncation", something banks automatically signed everybody up to on the sly. All your commercial accounts like power bill, water bill, cable bill, cellphone bill, any of those, now have "temporary access" to your bank account, directly, because Check 21 has them doing a "temporary automatic funds transfer" from your paper check, directly from their computer screwups to your banks' computer screwups. But, alas, I found I could STOP THEM! If you SPECIFICALLY REQUEST these billers NOT use automatic funds transfers from your account, they MUST go back to the old-fashioned way of cashing your paper check...like it or not. That's a clause in the law, too. But, YOU must be smart enough to play Buzzword Bingo with them to go back the way you came. Read the link...also put "Check 21" (with the quote marks) into Google's search engine for more information. Paypal sucks....no thanks.... -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317946 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42C37D36.6B264F3B@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: FA: National Radio Industries Signal Tracer RARE closing up shop References: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:04:12 GMT Jim Murphy wrote: > > Sorry to bother the group with an auction but I think this is a very unusual > piece of test equipment and so wanted to pass on to everyone so that an > interested party would not miss it. > > Item # 7527329177 > > URL: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7527329177&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > After many years of collecting and restoring old tube radios I am cleaning > out the shop. This is the first of a number of items of test equipment, > parts and radios to be auctioned. > > If you are interested in some of these things do a search on my eBay user > name which is SOUNDCON > > Thanks, Jim Murphy Rare? I guess that you've never been to a hamfest then. I've seen several of these, and their other models over the years. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317947 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: What Every Fashionable Collector Is Wearing This Summer Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:06:47 -0600 Message-ID: <9190-42C37DE7-152@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: I have one . its bright orange Article: 317948 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1120074687.578849.259400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Coronado 907 project Message-ID: <%nLwe.1525$S17.270420@monger.newsread.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:26:19 GMT Er, Ken, Bill Turner is recovering from a medical emergency right now and it may be a while before he gets back up to steam again. However, the Google archive should have more than one one thread on repair techniques and materials right now for speakers, and Mark Oppat might be able to assist you as this time of difficulty for alot of us and not just Bill. He does tend to be two or three of us rolled up in one and you get to realizing how much you appreciate him in times such as these. "Ken" wrote in message news:SbEwe.51965$iU.49728@lakeread05... | If the speaker isn't rubbing, a patch is all you need. Bill Turner does | dial faces http://www.dialcover.com/ | | chvjillson@aol.com wrote: | > Hi folks: | > | > I'm trying to restore a Coronado model 907 AM radio for a friend of | > mine. The radio needs a new plastic dial face (it's cracked in two | > places) and a speaker that has a hole in the paper cone (about 1" | > wide). | > | > Does anybody have any spare parts for this model radio? Also, would | > it be possible to re-cone the existing speaker? | > | > Thanks | > | > Clark | > KB9SJD | > | Article: 317949 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: Who owns a Hickock 539-A, B, or C tube tester? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:33:30 GMT Why don't you send it to Scott Harvey to archive? He already has Beitmans, Riders, and archives files from several Usenet groups, so why can't we put data like this in one place like Scott's sites and link our various pages to his? "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:mdc6c15989l817rdesmnjrbupj0bhmhscm@4ax.com... | I bought a 539-A used a couple of years ago and just now had to delve | into the folder of information I got with it. Evidently the previous | owner sent an inquiry into the Hickock company to see if he could get | this tester updated. Hickock said that, "due to unavailable switching | and voltage requirements necessary to update, the model 539A cannot be | updated." | | Consequently, I ended up with a roll chart in the 539-A, a manual, | supplementary test data for models B and C, tube data for a 539-C, | and Foreign tube types supplementary test data. The data on the | manual is 1963. | | Also, a couple of sheets from Hickock that explain how to convert tube | data from the 539-C to the 539-A. | | There's also a home built adapter for this tester and some sheets of | information about adapters for Hickocks. | | I was wondering if anyone had a need for any of this information as | it's usually difficult or expensive to obtain it. | | I can scan some or all of it for a small fee or whatever. | .... | Blacksmith | | | | ... | Radio Literature on disc. | 136 issues (11 years) of SERVICE magazines on CD or DVD. | 175 issues of RADIO RETAILING magazines on CD or DVD. | Very early NRI home-study radio courses on CD. | Mallory Encyclopedia on CD. | Record Changers & Recorders by Rider (1941) on CD. | Radio Troubleshooter's Handbook | -- renovatedradiosdotcom -- Article: 317950 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> <1120076727.974287.295520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT: (Was: What's with ...) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:38:28 GMT "xrongor" wrote in message news:d9v3l7$1mou$1@news3.infoave.net... | hey watch it. we have the best damn government money can buy!! | | randy And they print more for themselves everyday because we told them to, I suppose...sorta LMAO Article: 317951 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:29:47 -0700 Message-ID: References: Gary Tayman wrote: > This might sound OT at first, but it seems every other post here has to do > with eBay, so it's worth mentioning. Besides, I'll probably hear about your > own horror stories. > > Earlier this evening I purchased a CD player on eBay. Since the dealer had > 4 others, I also purchased those. These happen to be players that are hard > to find, but with proper modification will work with the conversions I do on > vintage car radios. > > In any case, I used Paypal to pay. This crazy system automatically bills > your bank account, but if you go through a routine you can change it to a > credit card. I did this for the first bid. When I bid the second time for > the other 4, Paypal took over, and without any input from me, billed my bank > for the price of 5 players! So I was overcharged, and it seized my bank > account for the money. > > I immediately called Paypal, waited almost two hours, and was finally told > that (A) computers don't lie, and (B) there's nothing they can do. I > managed to get a supervisor who gave me the same song and dance. I told > them I would call my bank and have them refuse the payment -- they responded > that they will close my Paypal account immediately if that happened. > Good -- thank you for saving me the trouble! > > What really bothers me is not the error, but the fact that they positively > cannot do anything about it, and that they have an arrogant attitude about > it. Suppose I reported a $6 billion deposit from Paypal; would they remind > me computers don't lie? Would they insist there's nothing they can do? > Yeah, right! > > Be advised -- Paypal can wipe your bank account clean, blame you for it, and > refuse to correct it. Is there some governing body I can contact? Until > then, better to use a credit card, where there is at least some protection. > > How 'bout this scenario? I have two email addresses, one for eBay transactions only and one for general communications. I do this so that somebody I do not know cannot get my "real" email address. My Paypal account is tied to the eBay email address for much the same reason. One day, the server handling my eBay emails got hosed, so I fell back on my regular email to do eBay transactions for a couple of days while things got sorted out. One of the people who won one of my auctions chose to pay me with Paypal, after he received the email from me detailing the final price for the item, including shipping. Problem is, he used my regular email address to make the payment, and Paypal accepted it-even though I had no account with them tied to that email address! I didn't realize what had happened until after I shipped the item. Worst case scenario, I could open another PayPal account under my regular email address, accept the payment, collect my money and then never use it again, right? WRONG! I have only one bank account and one credit card....and PayPal's system won't allow those numbers to be used again to open another account. So, what I have now is about $100.00 that is mine that I can't get at without going through a lot of bureaucratic bullshit or calling them and waiting for the same assholes that Gary dealt with to tell me it can't be done. It ain't worth my time. The general rule of thumb when dealing with PayPal is to never give them authorization to do anything with your regular bank account. Instead, open a second bank account, put no more than $100.00 in it and use that as your PayPal account to draw funds from. The other rule of thumb: If they put a hold on your funds for any reason, sue them in small claims court. Once they are served, they will sober up and the impossible thing they cannot do will suddenly become possible. Sending a lawyer to court to deal with some piddly-shit issue is not in their game plan, and neither is having a default judgement rammed down their throats. They WILL deal if forced! -Scott Article: 317952 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:00:31 -0600 Message-ID: References: i use a neteller acct for just such things. > The general rule of thumb when dealing with PayPal is to never give them > authorization to do anything with your regular bank account. Instead, open > a second bank account, put no more than $100.00 in it and use that as your > PayPal account to draw funds from. Article: 317953 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "N Cook" Subject: Re: Reconditioning old phono sockets Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:07:22 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8lo6c1d4ts7efi6e32fr9svreh0a6qe6d8@4ax.com> "Jim Adney" wrote in message news:8lo6c1d4ts7efi6e32fr9svreh0a6qe6d8@4ax.com... > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:54:51 +0100 "N Cook" wrote: > > >Rubber Hellerman sleeve slid over each with 3-jaw expander pliers > >is all i can think of but will it work? > > Help me out here. What is a Hellerman sleeve? > > - > ----------------------------------------------- > Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, WI 53711 USA > ----------------------------------------------- Hellerman sleeves - principaly used in UK military / avionics multiway trident or similar connectors. Slid over where wire enters the pin and the pin to reduce possibility of pin to pin or stray wire filaments cross- contacting pins. Rubber sleeves placed on 3 way prong expanders (cue smutty terms relating to brides) to enable assembly. Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Article: 317954 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: OT: (Was: What's with ...) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:17:08 -0700 Message-ID: References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> <1120076727.974287.295520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > And, yes, China does have something like 17 of the top 22 most polluted > cities on earth at this moment. And it is getting much worse, very > quickly. Between burning huge quantities of high-sulphur coal, damming > most of their rivers for power, and not enforcing _any_ pollution > requirements what so ever, they are starting to cause massive acid > rainfalls in Japan and elsewhere, crop failures and other nasties all > along the prevailing wind currents. But, we are still continuing to > support all that, and they are continuing to suck up our government's > debt. I guess we get our cash back as now as a loan, and we send all > our pollution from primary manufacturing over there in return. Fair is > fair, after all. > > Sorry for being cynical, but we are sure beginning to pay the price for > being fat, asleep and lazy these last 20 years or so. We can bleat > about productivity and how much better we are here than _anywhere else_ > (and for the most part that is true), but it ain't necessarily so for > much longer unless we wake up fast and start responding to the 'real > world'. > After some reflection, I have come to the conclusion that the world has simply gone mad. China is dumping huge quantities of ostensibly cheap stuff into the western world, and ANY attempt to stem the tide through tariffs, embargoes or other tranditional remedies gets us bitch-slapped by the very countries who are in the same boat we are. It is INSANE! It is glaringly apparent that most folks here have no clearer idea of the true cost of Chinese goods than they do about the true cost of Arab oil....At their cheapest, neither is really very cheap once all the costs are factored in. What's really disturbing is the American Businessmen-the ones who really should know better-can't get their clothes off fast enough to get in bed with the Chinese. It's absolutely disgraceful to see our captains of industry behaving like two dollar whores in the Tenderloin when enticed by the lure of "cheap" Chinese labor. About the only consolation we have is that it can't go on forever....The current growth rate of the Chinese economy is unsustainable in the long term, and soon China will suffer the same ills that have befallen us -inflation, recession and soaring health care and environmental cleanup costs. And, these things will occur on an epic scale......No doubt the situation will bedevil China's leaders every bit as much as it does our own. -Scott Article: 317955 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> <1120076727.974287.295520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT: (Was: What's with ...) Message-ID: <%lNwe.1544$S17.271310@monger.newsread.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:40:43 GMT The wise man is the one who knows, but wouldn't dare bother. Article: 317956 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:42:51 +0900 Message-ID: References: "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message news:d9vvlg0f50@news4.newsguy.com... > One day, the server handling my eBay emails got hosed, so I fell back on > my regular email to do eBay transactions for a couple of days while > things got sorted out. One of the people who won one of my auctions > chose to pay me with Paypal, after he received the email from me > detailing the final price for the item, including shipping. Problem is, > he used my regular email address to make the payment, and Paypal > accepted it-even though I had no account with them tied to that email > address! I didn't realize what had happened until after I shipped the item. > > So, what I have now is about $100.00 that is mine that I can't get at > without going through a lot of bureaucratic bullshit or calling them and > waiting for the same assholes that Gary dealt with to tell me it can't > be done. It ain't worth my time. All you really need to do is add that e-mail address to your current account... I've already done this at least twice because of PayPal payments outside of ebay where people sent money to my other e-mail addresses. All they do is send an e-mail to the new address which you respond to to confirm the added address. Article: 317957 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <1120126282.501090.73820@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Anyone know Bill Turner? @ dialcover.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 06:31:04 -0400 Message-ID: <42c3ca30$0$794$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> wrote in message news:1120126282.501090.73820@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hello i am new here , but i have been reading posts here for a long > time on the TransOceanics , I hope someome can tell me what happened to > Bill turner? @ dialcover.com , he has posted here a lot in the past, > Thank You Scott > Bill has some health issues right now that will likely keep him away from the group for some weeks. I am sure as soon as he is able he will be back. Hope you get well soon Bill. Larry Fowkes Article: 317958 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:19:31 -0400 Message-ID: <26l7c1d3eec3el1k468tfdosf54tmu7vuu@4ax.com> References: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:00:48 GMT, "Gary Tayman" wrote: >This might sound OT at first, but it seems every other post here has to do >with eBay, so it's worth mentioning. Besides, I'll probably hear about your >own horror stories. > >Earlier this evening I purchased a CD player on eBay. Since the dealer had >4 others, I also purchased those. These happen to be players that are hard >to find, but with proper modification will work with the conversions I do on >vintage car radios. > >In any case, I used Paypal to pay. This crazy system automatically bills >your bank account, but if you go through a routine you can change it to a >credit card. I did this for the first bid. When I bid the second time for >the other 4, Paypal took over, and without any input from me, billed my bank >for the price of 5 players! So I was overcharged, and it seized my bank >account for the money. > >I immediately called Paypal, waited almost two hours, and was finally told >that (A) computers don't lie, and (B) there's nothing they can do. I >managed to get a supervisor who gave me the same song and dance. I told >them I would call my bank and have them refuse the payment -- they responded >that they will close my Paypal account immediately if that happened. > Good -- thank you for saving me the trouble! > >What really bothers me is not the error, but the fact that they positively >cannot do anything about it, and that they have an arrogant attitude about >it. Suppose I reported a $6 billion deposit from Paypal; would they remind >me computers don't lie? Would they insist there's nothing they can do? >Yeah, right! > >Be advised -- Paypal can wipe your bank account clean, blame you for it, and >refuse to correct it. Is there some governing body I can contact? Until >then, better to use a credit card, where there is at least some protection. This issue is precisely why I avoid using PayPal at all. Their system defaults to direct withdrawal from your bank account and they make switching to a credit card difficult. One slip and your money is gone. That is probably what happened. However, the masses will use PayPal because it is easy. JMHO John Article: 317959 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: (Was: What's with ...) From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> <1120076727.974287.295520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:40:10 GMT In article , NOT_MY_REAL@email.com says... > > Well .... if you substitute the word "Japan" into the below anyplace that "China" appears.... and then sign it with someone who has more greyhair than Scott or myself..... redate the post to about 1960 ... Now China is a much larger country with a considerably larger population.... Today the cost of labor and living in Japan is I think ballpark as higher as here in USA .... I can hear the Japanese complaining now... Geez... those Chinese guys are taking all our jobs away from us... used to pay us 25 bucks and hour and they do it for 50 cents... I wonder if I will live long enough to see the Chinese complaining about the costs and such that maybe some African Country or one of the Middle Eastern countries has taken over all the high paid Chinese jobs?........ John k9uwa >After some reflection, I have come to the conclusion that the world has >simply gone mad. China is dumping huge quantities of ostensibly cheap >stuff into the western world, and ANY attempt to stem the tide through >tariffs, embargoes or other tranditional remedies gets us bitch-slapped >by the very countries who are in the same boat we are. It is INSANE! > >It is glaringly apparent that most folks here have no clearer idea of >the true cost of Chinese goods than they do about the true cost of Arab >oil....At their cheapest, neither is really very cheap once all the >costs are factored in. > >What's really disturbing is the American Businessmen-the ones who really >should know better-can't get their clothes off fast enough to get in bed >with the Chinese. It's absolutely disgraceful to see our captains of >industry behaving like two dollar whores in the Tenderloin when enticed >by the lure of "cheap" Chinese labor. > >About the only consolation we have is that it can't go on forever....The >current growth rate of the Chinese economy is unsustainable in the long >term, and soon China will suffer the same ills that have befallen us >-inflation, recession and soaring health care and environmental cleanup >costs. And, these things will occur on an epic scale......No doubt the >situation will bedevil China's leaders every bit as much as it does our own. > >-Scott Article: 317960 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:55:06 GMT In article , gtayman@gate.net says... > > >-- >Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Gary .... so your saying that although U bought a total of 5 that the system billed you for (six) 6 players?... one that U processed the way you wanted it... to the credit card.... and then U did a 2nd transaction to pay for 4 more and it multiplied the transaction times 5 rather than correctly times 4 ?.... sounds like somehow you possibly fatfingered the puter yourself?.... anyway U look at it I am sure that your seller won't have any problems refunding your money for the 6th unit that he doesn't have.... and since the 2nd transaction you failed to change the PayPal thingie back to Credit Card rather than bankaccount ... probably the easiest way at this point is to use the credit card to put money into your bank account.... all of the above might cost you a couple of bucks... but not much more than that... It depends on how the seller has his account setup also... he might be able to deny your whole 2nd payment as if the transaction never occurred. John k9uwa Article: 317961 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <3ih94gFlej6dU1@individual.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:06:56 GMT In article <3ih94gFlej6dU1@individual.net>, jim@jam.com says... > > >little over $5.00 too. thats over $11. how do you recover that? >i decided from now on, any item that i know has any value ($100 or over), i >am going to tack a handling fee on it. >-- >The Shadow Knows I guess that you don't consider that FleaBay has a right to collect 5 bucks for giving you the place to sell your widget for $172?... better that you spent two days at a Hamfest and sold it for 50 bucks?... Or that your bidder who won the auction... says... gee I can bid now and pay later... the american way here... cause this guy takes PayPal.. so ... he outbid the next guy in line... therefore your auction grossed you more money than if you hadn't taken PayPal .. perhaps that is correct statement for the next two or three bidders.... so if you had stated in the auction.... "No PayPal" ... MO's only .... then your widget might have only brought U $140 bucks or so.... but you would have been happy as you didn't have to give PayPal that 6 bucks?... So now the next time U auction something like this widget.... you will instead piss off the bidders with adding in 10 bucks for handling and therefore they will bid a total of 10 bucks less on your next widget?... you are still getting the identical amount for your next widget this way.... but have pissed off the bidders over your ridiculous handling fee for stuffing this widget into a box and having your UPS driver pick it up at your front door... or dropping it at UPS counter next time you close... ?????????????? me thinks your better off leaving your next widget Auction the same as it was this time.... and yup its part of the price of doing business.... your friend that U sold the widget for ... he should be getting whatever is left after the FleaBay/PayPal commissions are paid.... John k9uwa Article: 317962 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:22:20 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem References: Message-ID: John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > > It depends on how the seller has his account setup also... he might be > able to deny your whole 2nd payment as if the transaction never occurred. > > John k9uwa I think there's a glitch in the software somewhere. I had a similar experience to what Gary is describing although it didn't wind up as an billing error. There were two BIN items that I wanted to purchase...I clicked the first one and it carried me thru the various pages and either rightly or wrongly I didn't see the choice option to "Continue Buying From This Seller" and instead wound up directly in the Checkout. \ No problem...I went ahead and paid for the item and went back to make the second purchase. Separate payments might cost the seller an extra 35 cents or something but that wasn't my concern. When I did the BIN on the second item I was already 'there' in the payment routine. Didn't have to log-in again as I recall and I think thats the page where you choose paying by credit card or by your account. Blam, it simply made the payment. In my case the first purchase had already gone thru and wasn't still showing as pending with the seller. In your case, Gary, I suspect that your first purchase had not cleared the books - so to speak - and this scenario where one seems to be already logged-in added to the confusion and bypassed some of the normal options. Clearly I think this is a screwup in the checkout software and its not meant to be that way so you might want to raise some heck with ebay proper on this aspect of the issue if that in fact is the same as happened to you. Anyway, I think the recourse here is going to be with the seller. Ask them to issue a refund via the same method and then pay them with a credit card. I don't think you'll have any luck getting PP to reverse a payment. -Bill Article: 317963 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carter Grabarczyk Subject: Re: What's with the "handling" charges? References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:36:59 GMT -ex- wrote: > Do you state how much the packaging will cost? Or is it in the calculator? > > -Bill I usually do not, only because sometimes the item may not sell; I don't buy the packaging materials until the auction has actually completed. (As Mark Oppat has stated on this reflector several times in the past, sometimes us hams are "frugal"). Also, I am just a casual/occasional eBay seller and I do not use any calculators nor do I know how I would program in a variable cost like packaging into a calculator (as every item usually requires a different sized/priced box). However, even though I have 100% positive feedback and count on my reputation as an honest seller, your idea of giving the packaging price in the auction itself has merit and I will try to implement it. Carter K8VT Article: 317964 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" Subject: poor man's Catalin radio Message-ID: <3QRwe.4593$Dv3.3894@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:45:51 GMT An option for those who can't afford to have a Catalin radio in their collection. Paint it to look like Catalin! The seller has a very nice looking radio here, and from the photos actually does look like Catalin. Maybe this will be the next fad to replace the "Coke" radios. At least here though, the seller is totally honest about this only being a "look-alike" and not genuine. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6542722437 jim menning Article: 317965 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: poor man's Catalin radio References: <3QRwe.4593$Dv3.3894@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: <_nSwe.52640$iU.19984@lakeread05> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:24:08 -0400 It looks translucent like catlin, wonder what brand paint he used. The pic could fool me.Ken jim menning wrote: > An option for those who can't afford to have a Catalin radio in their > collection. Paint it to look like Catalin! > > The seller has a very nice looking radio here, and from the photos > actually does look like Catalin. Maybe this will be the next fad to > replace the "Coke" radios. At least here though, the seller is > totally honest about this only being a "look-alike" and not genuine. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6542722437 > > jim menning > > Article: 317966 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:58:00 GMT That sounds very much like what happened. Yes, I've got e-mails into the seller, which is LMB Electronics. I can find no address, no phone number, and nothing about them other than the fact that they have lots of stuff to sell on eBay. I have yet to hear from them -- but then, they may be in California and not open for several more hours. They will be the best ones to resolve this. However if I can't get ahold of them I have already notified the bank, and anytime today I can put a stop payment on this. Either way, I would like to send a complaint letter to Paypal, but it seems they have no address either. They apparently do that so as to not not get complaints. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "-ex-" wrote in message news:c3993$42c3e400$4232bd3a$32068@COQUI.NET... > John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > >> >> It depends on how the seller has his account setup also... he might be >> able to deny your whole 2nd payment as if the transaction never occurred. >> >> John k9uwa > > I think there's a glitch in the software somewhere. I had a similar > experience to what Gary is describing although it didn't wind up as an > billing error. > > There were two BIN items that I wanted to purchase...I clicked the first > one and it carried me thru the various pages and either rightly or wrongly > I didn't see the choice option to "Continue Buying From This Seller" and > instead wound up directly in the Checkout. > \ > No problem...I went ahead and paid for the item and went back to make the > second purchase. Separate payments might cost the seller an extra 35 > cents or something but that wasn't my concern. > > When I did the BIN on the second item I was already 'there' in the payment > routine. Didn't have to log-in again as I recall and I think thats the > page where you choose paying by credit card or by your account. Blam, it > simply made the payment. > > In my case the first purchase had already gone thru and wasn't still > showing as pending with the seller. In your case, Gary, I suspect that > your first purchase had not cleared the books - so to speak - and this > scenario where one seems to be already logged-in added to the confusion > and bypassed some of the normal options. > > Clearly I think this is a screwup in the checkout software and its not > meant to be that way so you might want to raise some heck with ebay proper > on this aspect of the issue if that in fact is the same as happened to > you. > > Anyway, I think the recourse here is going to be with the seller. Ask > them to issue a refund via the same method and then pay them with a credit > card. I don't think you'll have any luck getting PP to reverse a payment. > > -Bill Article: 317967 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: David Stinson Subject: Re: OT: (Was: What's with ...) References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> <1120076727.974287.295520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <4YSwe.11339$hK3.7596@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:02:40 GMT Scott W. Harvey wrote: > What's really disturbing is the American Businessmen-the ones who really > should know better-can't get their clothes off fast enough to get in bed > with the Chinese. It's absolutely disgraceful to see our captains of > industry behaving like two dollar whores in the Tenderloin when enticed > by the lure of "cheap" Chinese labor. > > About the only consolation we have is that it can't go on forever....The > current growth rate of the Chinese economy is unsustainable in the long > term, and soon China will suffer the same ills that have befallen us > -inflation, recession and soaring health care and environmental cleanup > costs. And, these things will occur on an epic scale......No doubt the > situation will bedevil China's leaders every bit as much as it does our > own. All that is true, Scott, but there is a "method to the madness." What's going on with China is a strategic game of manipulation. There is a certain logic to it: We're doing it because we don't want to fight them. Let China rock-along in the old, closed Maoist model and a big, hungry army marching across half the globe is the inevitable result. That can only end in glow-in-the-dark glass lakes we used to call "cities." We are expending some of the wealth of the U.S. in bringing the Chinese into the Capitalist game. Their people will become fat, acquisitive and complacent, just like ours. The idea is to get them so busy becoming "rich" (by their lights), and thereby gain all the ills that come with our system, they no longer have the incentives for war. They will be fed, clothed, housed and "happy." Happy people do not go to war, because their (mis)leaders don't profit by it. They get richer by using media to make them even more envious and acquisitive, and the great money wheel keeps a-turnin'; there's better money to be made selling sneekers to your people than there is in getting them shot. Will it work, and will it be worth the massive expenditure of U.S. treasure and resources to pull it off? The jury is still out; We haven't recovered from playing this game with the Soviets, so we may have "bitten off more than we can chew." Moreover, the U.S. effort is crippled by crooked players and bungling mismanagers. And the Chinese are a lot smarter than people think. The effort in Russia worked, sorta... kinda.. We'll see. Damn shame Mankind has to play these stupid games with itself. Take it up with God; he designed it, so he's to blame. D.S. Article: 317968 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: <55Twe.5071$Dv3.2084@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:12:17 GMT "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:ITSwe.15261$eM6.9146@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > That sounds very much like what happened. > > Yes, I've got e-mails into the seller, which is LMB Electronics. I > can find no address, no phone number, and nothing about them other > than the fact that they have lots of stuff to sell on eBay. Looks like this new seller has lots of problems: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=lmbelectronics13502 Feedback is only 66.7%. Have you pulled their contact information through eBay yet? http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/AdvSearch?sofindtype=9 jim menning Article: 317969 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: beerbarrel Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: <5cv7c119k9stilvgphksok9a4shlghli3v@4ax.com> References: <26l7c1d3eec3el1k468tfdosf54tmu7vuu@4ax.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:15:06 -0400 On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:19:31 -0400, John Bachman wrote: > >This issue is precisely why I avoid using PayPal at all. Their system >defaults to direct withdrawal from your bank account and they make >switching to a credit card difficult. One slip and your money is >gone. That is probably what happened. > >However, the masses will use PayPal because it is easy. > >JMHO > >John Maybe the masses but not me! I have that second bank account that is linked to my main account. Paypal can do what ever they want but they can't touch my main account. As soon as I collect, I transfer the money to my main account. I don't particularly like paypal and I don't do it because it is easy. I do it because when I sell an item I get more money! Oh wait! I guess you are right! People do use paypal because it is easy. Which makes me more money! Tracy Article: 317970 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: OT: (Was: What's with ...) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:26:41 -0700 Message-ID: References: <42C2310A.6E9D4B56@earthlink.net> <8ca1e$42c2518f$4232bd3c$12101@COQUI.NET> <42C25F59.65E79CF7@earthlink.net> <779e2$42c2be64$4232bda1$24923@COQUI.NET> <1120076727.974287.295520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > >> > > Well .... if you substitute the word "Japan" into the below anyplace > that "China" appears.... and then sign it with someone who has more > greyhair than Scott or myself..... redate the post to about 1960 ... > > Now China is a much larger country with a considerably larger population.... > > Today the cost of labor and living in Japan is I think ballpark as > higher as here in USA .... I can hear the Japanese complaining now... > Geez... those Chinese guys are taking all our jobs away from us... > used to pay us 25 bucks and hour and they do it for 50 cents... > > I wonder if I will live long enough to see the Chinese complaining > about the costs and such that maybe some African Country or one of the > Middle Eastern countries has taken over all the high paid Chinese > jobs?........ > I have enough gray hairs to remember the Japanese phenomenon in the middle part of its golden era. The Japanese and "made in Japan" was still the butt of jokes back then (remember the Alan Sherman Christmas novelty song about "a Japanese transistor radio"?). They were making the cheap toys that me and my friends played with, and teeny-tiny electronic goodies such as portable radios and walkie-talkies that we would occasionally get as high-end Christmas and birthday presents. One thing I remember about those toys is that you could beat the crap out of them and they would still hold together pretty well. American manufacturers were initially attracted to Japan because of its lower labor costs-that was their foot in the door. That advantage soon evaporated in the face of inflation and price controls that kept the price of goods in Japan rather high for Japanese consumers. By the end of the sixties, The cost of labor in Japan was approximately on par with the USA. What kept Japan in the game for so long after that was its huge manufacturing capacity, a well educated workforce, and its emphasis on Quality at every level. I don't know of any other place where goods have been mass-produced with such consistent quality for so long as Japan. Nowadays, people in the USA still buy Japanese cars by the millions, in spite of their now considerably higher price, because they realize that a cheaper car made elsewhere is no bargain if it doesn't last. That may be the only thing left here where the quality is given serious consideration at time of purchase. When it comes to things like TVs and DVD players, people are now apparently willing to put up with the notion that they are buying poorly made crap that will need frequent replacement as long as it is CHEAP poorly made crap. This is the consumer that the Chinese are attracting now, and this is their foot in the door. Their pitch is attractive, seductive-and deadly. If we don't get our heads out of our collective asses and recognize the the threat that China poses to our long-term well-being, it will be our children and grandchildren who will be standing on street corners with tin cups-and they will hate us for it. -Scott (who holds his nose when he has no choice but to buy Chinese) Article: 317971 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:41:22 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem References: Message-ID: <85e7f$42c40496$4232bd3a$25488@COQUI.NET> Gary Tayman wrote: > > Either way, I would like to send a complaint letter to Paypal, but it seems > they have no address either. They apparently do that so as to not not get > complaints. > > This is the address given in the User Agreeement. PayPal Inc., 2211 North First Street, San Jose, California 95131 -Bill M. Article: 317972 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:07:44 -0600 Message-ID: References: <55Twe.5071$Dv3.2084@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> "jim menning" wrote in message news:55Twe.5071$Dv3.2084@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:ITSwe.15261$eM6.9146@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... >> That sounds very much like what happened. >> >> Yes, I've got e-mails into the seller, which is LMB Electronics. I can >> find no address, no phone number, and nothing about them other than the >> fact that they have lots of stuff to sell on eBay. > > Looks like this new seller has lots of problems: > > http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=lmbelectronics13502 > > Feedback is only 66.7%. > this actually brings up a personal ebay gripe. ebay doesnt factor in neutral feedback in that equation. of 8 feedbacks, 2 are neutral, 2 are negative, and 4 are positive. on the planet where i come from this would be called 50% positive feedback... randy Article: 317973 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:58:42 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1120135350.317086.66600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> radio@bill-collins.net wrote: >>So, what I have now is about $100.00 that is mine that I can't get at >>without going through a lot of bureaucratic bullshit or calling them and >>waiting for the same assholes that Gary dealt with to tell me it can't >>be done. It ain't worth my time. > > > Paypal allows linking multiple email addresses to one account. Why not > just do that instead of bashing them? > They did not allow that at the time this transaction occured. (This was a few years ago) However, you are missing the point...... Let's assume that I had no PayPal account at all. If someone sends me a payment via PayPal, Paypal will accept it and then attempt to sign me up, rather than tell the sender that I have no account with them, as any other ethical financial institution would do. Once this happens, what recourse do I have to get my money that doesn't involve giving out a ton of personal information or jumping through a zillion hoops? It is simply arrogant on PayPal's part to assume that their service is so wonderful and indispensible everyone will be willing to sign up just to get paid. It is even more arrogant for them to assume that they are perfect, and when something goes wrong it is simply because you are too stupid to use their system, which is just the attitude that Gary confronted with his CD player purchases. There are many out there that think that PayPal is is the greatest thing since sliced bread. All I can say is just wait until they screw something up, and you have to deal with the same nonsense that Gary dealt with-your enthusiasm will be dampened considerably. A financial institution without good customer service is worse than worthless. -Scott Article: 317974 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <55Twe.5071$Dv3.2084@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:27:24 GMT I just pulled the contact information via your link. It says it will send me the info via e-mail. So far it hasn't. What a nightmare! "jim menning" wrote in message news:55Twe.5071$Dv3.2084@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:ITSwe.15261$eM6.9146@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... >> That sounds very much like what happened. >> >> Yes, I've got e-mails into the seller, which is LMB Electronics. I can >> find no address, no phone number, and nothing about them other than the >> fact that they have lots of stuff to sell on eBay. > > Looks like this new seller has lots of problems: > > http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=lmbelectronics13502 > > Feedback is only 66.7%. > > Have you pulled their contact information through eBay yet? > > http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/AdvSearch?sofindtype=9 > > jim menning > Article: 317975 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1120135350.317086.66600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:39:36 GMT "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message news:da11050qak@news1.newsguy.com... > > However, you are missing the point...... > > Let's assume that I had no PayPal account at all. If someone sends > me a payment via PayPal, Paypal will accept it and then attempt to > sign me up, rather than tell the sender that I have no account with > them, as any other ethical financial institution would do. > I have been involved in several similar situations in the past, and each time PayPal also sent the buyer (several times this was me) an email that informed them that the seller did not currently have a Paypal account, so they in fact do tell the sender. > > Once this happens, what recourse do I have to get my money that > doesn't involve giving out a ton of personal information or jumping > through a zillion hoops? All you have to do is email the other party and have them pay you in an acceptable method. That's it, pretty simple, huh? Then they can retract their PayPal transaction. You don't need to deal with PayPal at all if you don't want to. > > It is simply arrogant on PayPal's part to assume that their service > is so wonderful and indispensible everyone will be willing to sign > up just to get paid. No, they are just offering the service. You are under no obligation to sign up. But remember this: it was the payer that put PayPal in the position to offer you the service, it was not initiated by PayPal. If you end up in such a situation again, blame the sender of the money, not PayPal. > > All I can say is just wait until they screw something up, and you > have to deal with the same nonsense that Gary dealt with-your > enthusiasm will be dampened considerably. That day may come, but so far I have used PayPal in over 600 transactions, never a glitch or mistake on their part. I had some trouble with other parties, but none with PayPal. > > A financial institution without good customer service is worse than > worthless. > For me their customer service is great. They have millions of satisfied customers, I doubt they have anywhere near that number of unhappy ones. In a couple of cases I had dealing with fraud or undelivered items, PayPal was right there to refund my money, and in only a few days. But it still all comes down to choice. If there was a better service that offered all that PayPal can, I would probably try them. But so far there isn't, so I'll stick with PayPal. Same goes for all the eBay detractors. If there was anywhere else that offered as many opportunities to me as eBay, at such a low cost, I'd gladly give them a try. But there isn't. jim menning Article: 317976 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <3QRwe.4593$Dv3.3894@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: poor man's Catalin radio Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:35:43 -0400 Message-ID: <42c41198$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> "jim menning" wrote in message news:3QRwe.4593$Dv3.3894@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > An option for those who can't afford to have a Catalin radio in their > collection. Paint it to look like Catalin! > > The seller has a very nice looking radio here, and from the photos > actually does look like Catalin. Maybe this will be the next fad to > replace the "Coke" radios. At least here though, the seller is > totally honest about this only being a "look-alike" and not genuine. I wonder what his process is to get that look. It is very nice and a lot of work I would imagine. I feel that as long as he is representing them honestly, then more power to him. Larry Article: 317977 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jakdedert" References: <1120135350.317086.66600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:45:31 -0500 Scott W. Harvey wrote: > radio@bill-collins.net wrote: >>> So, what I have now is about $100.00 that is mine that I can't get >>> at without going through a lot of bureaucratic bullshit or calling >>> them and waiting for the same assholes that Gary dealt with to tell >>> me it can't be done. It ain't worth my time. >> >> >> Paypal allows linking multiple email addresses to one account. Why >> not just do that instead of bashing them? >> > > They did not allow that at the time this transaction occured. (This > was a few years ago) > > However, you are missing the point...... > > Let's assume that I had no PayPal account at all. If someone sends me > a payment via PayPal, Paypal will accept it and then attempt to sign > me up, rather than tell the sender that I have no account with them, > as any other ethical financial institution would do. > > Once this happens, what recourse do I have to get my money that > doesn't involve giving out a ton of personal information or jumping > through a zillion hoops? It is simply arrogant on PayPal's part to > assume that their service is so wonderful and indispensible everyone > will be willing to sign up just to get paid. It is even more arrogant > for them to assume that they are perfect, and when something goes > wrong it is simply because you are too stupid to use their system, > which is just the attitude that Gary confronted with his CD player > purchases. That's exactly what happened to me. I didn't have an account, then someone sent me $450 via PayPal. Somewhere along the line in the registration process, I forgot to dot an 'I' or cross a 'T' and the payment got sent back to the original party...who disavows any knowledge of the $450 in his own bank account (if it, in fact, exists). I've since gotten my PayPal accounts straightened out and use it occasionally, but still no sign of that $450.... > > There are many out there that think that PayPal is is the greatest > thing since sliced bread. All I can say is just wait until they > screw something up, and you have to deal with the same nonsense that > Gary dealt with-your enthusiasm will be dampened considerably. A > financial institution without good customer service is worse than > worthless. Paypal also disavows any responsibility. There just seems to be no recourse at all. According to them it's between me and the payor...and he ignores my emails and PayPals requests to pay. > > -Scott Article: 317978 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <55Twe.5071$Dv3.2084@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:48:08 GMT "xrongor" wrote in message news:da11r7$2pvh$1@news3.infoave.net... > > >> http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=lmbelectronics13502 >> >> Feedback is only 66.7%. >> > > this actually brings up a personal ebay gripe. ebay doesnt factor > in neutral feedback in that equation. > > of 8 feedbacks, 2 are neutral, 2 are negative, and 4 are positive. > on the planet where i come from this would be called 50% positive > feedback... > Good point Randy, in that example their terminology is definitely skewed. Have you ever tried the ebay suggestion links, or contacted Bill Cobb about this? The only way to get action is to get the concerns directly to those who have the power to deal with them. http://pages.ebay.com/help/newtoebay/suggest.html http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200502.shtml#2005-02-06100248 billcobb@ebay.com jim menning Article: 317979 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <3QRwe.4593$Dv3.3894@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1120142005.311558.323830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: poor man's Catalin radio Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:13:08 GMT wrote in message news:1120142005.311558.323830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Jim, it's the same guy as the Coke radios. > > I wouldn't buy a knob from the guy. > Sorry Terry, I didn't realize it was the same guy from the previous thread, but I also know that there have been more sellers than just him that have been listing "Coke radios" in the past on eBay. Among them however, he may be the best with a paint gun. Some I have seen >from others were truly horrendous. Many were just red paint with a painted on "Coca-Cola" logo, they must not have known how easy it is to get the decals. In this particular auction though, I think he really made a great looking display piece, and is not attempting to defraud anyone. In fact, I'd really like to see the radio close up, to get a good look at the paint job. If Lloyd ends up winning it, I may just have to arrange a visit to see him next time I'm at one of the Illinois meets. I have plenty of Transitones here that aren't worth $15, that would look great with a finish like that. Or even the rarer "Catalin Blue". I wouldn't paint them in any attempt to defraud people, but merely to make common place radios aesthetically much more attractive. As far as the flag and Statue of Liberty, I'll agree that is wrong. He should be waving the Maple Leaf and hockey sticks in his ads. Immediately after 9/11 occurred, I noticed many major US Corporations all the way down to independent store owners seemed to add a patriotic theme to their advertising. I'm sure all the marketing guys jumped on the bandwagon for fear of being "un-American". But I saw it as gimmick used just to increase sales, not as one patriotically promoting Americanism. I guess that's a subject for ethics class though, and for now is just really "water under the dam". jim menning Article: 317980 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <55Twe.5071$Dv3.2084@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:14:37 GMT "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:wbUwe.15279$eM6.1737@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > >I just pulled the contact information via your link. It says it will >send me the info via e-mail. So far it hasn't. > > What a nightmare! > Good luck Gary. Although it can be very frustrating, please try to keep your cool. These things usually work out fine. jim menning Article: 317981 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <3QRwe.4593$Dv3.3894@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <42c41198$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> Subject: Re: poor man's Catalin radio Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:23:16 GMT "Larry Fowkes" wrote in message news:42c41198$0$795$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com... > > > I wonder what his process is to get that look. It is very nice and a > lot of > work I would imagine. I feel that as long as he is representing them > honestly, then more power to him. > I agree. That finish looks to be very deep, perhaps many alternating layers of color & clear coats? If it looks as good in real life as it does in the pictures, we may end up seeing a lot more of these. We have to remember there are a lot of people out there that decorate their homes with radios and other things merely for their appearance. And something like this would definitely brighten up a desk or bookcase. I'd be curious to see how well they might sell at a regular flea market (not a radio swap). Perhaps they would even draw more of the public into the hobby, looking for other (more original) styles of radios. jim menning jim menning jim menning Article: 317982 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Phil Witt Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: References: <1120135350.317086.66600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:43:14 -0500 On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:58:42 -0700, "Scott W. Harvey" wrote: >Let's assume that I had no PayPal account at all. If someone sends me a >payment via PayPal, Paypal will accept it and then attempt to sign me >up, rather than tell the sender that I have no account with them, as any >other ethical financial institution would do. > >Once this happens, what recourse do I have to get my money that doesn't >involve giving out a ton of personal information or jumping through a >zillion hoops? It is simply arrogant on PayPal's part to assume that >their service is so wonderful and indispensible everyone will be willing >to sign up just to get paid. It is even more arrogant for them to assume >that they are perfect, and when something goes wrong it is simply >because you are too stupid to use their system, which is just the >attitude that Gary confronted with his CD player purchases. > >There are many out there that think that PayPal is is the greatest thing > since sliced bread. All I can say is just wait until they screw >something up, and you have to deal with the same nonsense that Gary >dealt with-your enthusiasm will be dampened considerably. A financial >institution without good customer service is worse than worthless. > >-Scott Same thing happened to me a few years back. Trying to complain to PayPal about it proved fruitless. Bidder finally ended up using BidPay. Article: 317983 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1120135350.317086.66600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:59:46 GMT "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:B%Wwe.15328$eM6.14469@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Well, it's looking very bad. > > I have tried and tried and tried and tried to get ahold of ANYBODY, > ANYWHERE with eBay, Paypal, or the seller, to absolutely no avail. > > PayPal Customer Service toll-free at: 1-888-221-1161 eBay customer service toll-free at: 1-800-322-9266 Or eBay live help: http://ebay.doubleclick.net/clk;8188305;9130450;g jim menning Article: 317984 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1120135350.317086.66600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:38:24 -0400 "jim menning" wrote in message news:YmUwe.5076$Dv3.1264@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message > news:da11050qak@news1.newsguy.com... > > > > > However, you are missing the point...... > > > > Let's assume that I had no PayPal account at all. If someone sends > > me a payment via PayPal, Paypal will accept it and then attempt to > > sign me up, rather than tell the sender that I have no account with > > them, as any other ethical financial institution would do. > > > > I have been involved in several similar situations in the past, and > each time PayPal also sent the buyer (several times this was me) an > email that informed them that the seller did not currently have a > Paypal account, so they in fact do tell the sender. > > > > > Once this happens, what recourse do I have to get my money that > > doesn't involve giving out a ton of personal information or jumping > > through a zillion hoops? > > All you have to do is email the other party and have them pay you in > an acceptable method. That's it, pretty simple, huh? Then they can > retract their PayPal transaction. You don't need to deal with PayPal > at all if you don't want to. > > > > > It is simply arrogant on PayPal's part to assume that their service > > is so wonderful and indispensible everyone will be willing to sign > > up just to get paid. > > No, they are just offering the service. You are under no obligation > to sign up. But remember this: it was the payer that put PayPal in > the position to offer you the service, it was not initiated by PayPal. > If you end up in such a situation again, blame the sender of the > money, not PayPal. > No, they made the offer to the buyer to use PayPal. I had this happen to me a few years back, and resolving the issue isn't as easy as you make it sound. The best one can do is jump through enough "hoops" so he can refuse the payment, and the buyer will get his money back. That does little to resolve timely payment to the seller, however. PayPal has NO business accepting PAYMENT on behalf ANYONE who ISN'T a member. I don't see why folks so willingly accept this activity, which should be criminal, if it isn't already. Scott was under obligation to act once HIS money was illegally diverted by PalPay. Extortion, plain and simple. Pete Article: 317985 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:12:19 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem References: <1120135350.317086.66600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <441b4$42c45227$4232bd76$15889@COQUI.NET> Uncle Peter wrote: > > No, they made the offer to the buyer to use PayPal. I had this > happen to me a few years back, and resolving the issue isn't > as easy as you make it sound. The best one can do is jump > through enough "hoops" so he can refuse the payment, and > the buyer will get his money back. That does little to resolve > timely payment to the seller, however. PayPal has NO business > accepting PAYMENT on behalf ANYONE who ISN'T a member. > I don't see why folks so willingly accept this activity, which should be > criminal, if it isn't already. > > Scott was under obligation to act once HIS money was illegally > diverted by PalPay. Extortion, plain and simple. > > Pete I recall Pete's situation and I think things have changed now. If I understand it correctly, if you send money to someone who doesn't have an account and that person does not claim it after 30 days then the deal goes dead and whatever was paid is automatically 'returned' with no action required on the part of anyone. What I'm not sure of is if/how/when it actually leaves the sender's account when it has not has been accepted by the recipient. This probably varies if the sender is paying by credit card, an e-check thing or from his PP account. As a test I just made a 12 cent payment to a fake email address. I got this message. "This recipient is not yet registered. PayPal will send an email to the recipient explaining how to open an account and receive your transaction." It does show as having been debited from my PP account...but it should "come back" in 30 days automatically - and - I as a sender need only to click one button to cancel the payment as long as it remains unclaimed. -Bill Article: 317986 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Broken drive belt for Zenith 10S690 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1119916879.597750.171200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> lbrty4us@aol.com writes: >BTW *nobody* disassembles the mechanism to install these belts unless >they are light in the loafers. ;-) I used to think this, until some time ago when Hagstar started making fun of folks who thought taking the shaft apart was too hard to do. The other month when the glued dial drive belt on my 12S265 finally broke, albiet after about ten years, the words of Mr. Console Rescue rang in my head. So I took it apart. John's right -- it's trivial. And I've never owned a pair of loafers. Can't stand the things. :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 317987 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Paypal -- big problem References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:02:15 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > This might sound OT at first, but it seems every other post here has to do > with eBay, so it's worth mentioning. Besides, I'll probably hear about your > own horror stories. > > Earlier this evening I purchased a CD player on eBay. Since the dealer had > 4 others, I also purchased those. These happen to be players that are hard > to find, but with proper modification will work with the conversions I do on > vintage car radios. > > In any case, I used Paypal to pay. This crazy system automatically bills > your bank account, but if you go through a routine you can change it to a > credit card. I did this for the first bid. When I bid the second time for > the other 4, Paypal took over, and without any input from me, billed my bank > for the price of 5 players! So I was overcharged, and it seized my bank > account for the money. > Tell the credit card company to dispute the charge for the first player. In effect it would be a 6th player, which you never (will not) receive.