Article: 322830 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" References: Subject: Re: Seeburg HF100G Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:06:48 GMT Hi Paul, The Victory reprint of the Seeburg will have all electrical and mechanical info. The Seeburg manuals of that era are very good. You can supplement this with 3rd party restoration video's and/or books. The Mike Zuccaro video and book is a good beginner guide and will help you avoid common pitfalls. http://www.alwaysjukin.com/AlwaysFrame.asp?Display=reference Mark "Paul P" wrote in message news:tQVWe.263738$5N3.116007@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Does anyone know what manual should be ordered for the upper deck record > changer part of this unit? > > These are two great sites you guys suggested. Thanks!!!! > > Paul. > > Article: 322831 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Help with Zenith 6D525- won't power up From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1125499798.405520.265100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1126972493.892700.298370@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:11:38 GMT In article <1126972493.892700.298370@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, lanew@adelphia.net says... > > >> > >> take Ohm Meter and check from the base of that old Can to the >> Chassis...bet its a lot more than Zero.... that can is insulated >> from the chassis.... look close... >> John k9uwa > >OK, back from vacation now. You are right, John, the old can is, in >fact, isolated from the chassis. On advice from another web site, I >connected the negatives to the twist tab that holds the can to the >chassis - thats also where the original connections were. Now I cant >figure out if that was right or not -or if it was the positives that >should have gone there. > >I have the replacement tube now, but I'm afraid to power it up until I >figure this out > >Thanks all for the help > THink you have it right now... the negative should go to the outer twist tabs on the old can which is insulated from chassis.. the positives should go same place as the old can..... in the olden days.... techs just left the whole entire original capacitor there... and hopped the new one in parallel with the original. Not good practice really... but it did work... today... we would leave the whole negative side alone... remove the positive wires from old cap and fasten to new caps... then negative of new caps to the twist outer tabs.... plug in the tube... bet it works John k9uwa Article: 322832 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" Subject: Kutztown Finds/Help with Condenser Mic ID Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:39:17 GMT Hi All, I was only able to get up to Kutztown on Friday. Still was quite a bit going on. I picked up some odds and ends parts. I'm not in the market for much right now, but I couldn't resist a ca. 1959 Webcor powered speaker cab ($10). It is three way and has an internal 10 watt push-pull line level amp powered by 12AB5's. Not the usual output tubes. Schematic was pasted inside the cab, so it will be very easy to get running. Might make a funky guitar amp, phono amp, or extension for my new Theremin. I can post a picture if anybody is interested. Also found an old condenser mic capsule. I've posted some picts on the binaries. Can anybody ID this item? I'm going to try and replace the diaphragm and build up a small tube preamp. Not sure how it will sound, but it will be an interesting project. Thanks in advance for any help. Mark Article: 322833 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" Subject: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. Bill Article: 322834 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Janssen Subject: ? Fluke 8600A service manual Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:19:17 GMT Is a service manual available for this Fluke meter (8600A)? I accidentally tried to measure about 6000 volts and the meter doesn't work. I opened it up and can't see anything burned but the input traces go under the input switch and I cant tell where they go from the switches. I really need a schematic if I have any hope of repairing this thing. Thanks Bill K7NOM Article: 322835 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:32:58 -0400 Message-ID: <432edadb$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> Bill, What is your Ebay Id, I am very interested "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... > Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 > version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working > Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with > working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. > > Bill > > Article: 322836 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: <432edb5c$0$14232$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> I found them , very impressive. Are you going to be selling those out right as well? I would like several. Larry Fowkes larry@lfowkes dot com "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... > Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 > version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working > Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with > working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. > > Bill > > Article: 322837 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <432edadb$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:39:54 -0500 Message-ID: <432edbca$0$22208$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> personalradios "Larry Fowkes" wrote in message news:432edadb$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com... > Bill, > > What is your Ebay Id, I am very interested > > > "Bill Morris" wrote in message > news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... >> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 >> version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working >> Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with >> working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. >> >> Bill >> >> > > Article: 322838 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <432edb5c$0$14232$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: <432edbfb$0$22204$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> I probably could, though it'll take a little while. I'm concentrating on transistor batteries next. Bill "Larry Fowkes" wrote in message news:432edb5c$0$14232$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com... >I found them , very impressive. Are you going to be selling those out right >as well? I would like several. > > Larry Fowkes > larry@lfowkes dot com > > "Bill Morris" wrote in message > news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... >> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 >> version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working >> Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with >> working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. >> >> Bill >> >> > > Article: 322839 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ? Fluke 8600A service manual From: Larry References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:42:40 -0400 Bill Janssen wrote in news:VFAXe.7383$cg.1876@news02.roc.ny: > I really need a schematic if I have any hope of repairing this thing. > Harbor Freight sells a great little autoranging DVM with F, C and a transistor Hfe tester in it for $39. Can you afford to repair this one?? -- Larry Article: 322840 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <432edb5c$0$14232$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> <432edbfb$0$22204$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:44:41 -0400 Message-ID: <432edd9a$0$14233$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> Ok Bill, I am all over the 1946 version. They all look excellent!! Great work. Larry Fowkes "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:432edbfb$0$22204$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... >I probably could, though it'll take a little while. I'm concentrating on >transistor batteries next. > > Bill > > "Larry Fowkes" wrote in message > news:432edb5c$0$14232$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com... >>I found them , very impressive. Are you going to be selling those out >>right as well? I would like several. >> >> Larry Fowkes >> larry@lfowkes dot com >> >> "Bill Morris" wrote in message >> news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... >>> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 >>> version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working >>> Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with >>> working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >> >> > > Article: 322841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Chong Ong Subject: WTB NOS Eimac 250Th Tube Message-ID: <_rCXe.12064$Ix4.4865@okepread03> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:20:58 -0400 Need a NOS Eimac 250TH for a Signal Corps US Army Radio Transmitter BC-610-I. All tubes are there except this one. Will paypal and if you can ship today or tomorrow it will be great! Let me know how much. Thanks. Chong Ong Article: 322842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:44:47 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Ed Schutz... contact me. Message-ID: <46d42$432ef912$4232bd89$869@COQUI.NET> Your message to blacksmith*@*.*** was rejected due to the user exceeding its mailbox quota Article: 322843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Yet another way to wreck a vintage radio Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:49:29 GMT Didya tell him he could get semi-filthy lucre endowed if he put it up for auction? That would make his pinball counters click faster. "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:Iu2dnZ9qErb1m7LeRVn-vQ@giganews.com... > A guy who owns a Crosley 124 cathedral sent me the following in email: > > > My last question is are the glass tubes from this radio > > "worth" anything? If they're good and someone could > > use them to fix up another radio, then I don't want to > > ruin them. If they're a "dime-a-dozen" then I'm going > > to drill an 1/8" hole in the bottoms of them, insert an LED > > and light them up for looks when I retro fit this cabinet with > > a newer working radio. > > The bit about installling LEDs in the old tubes is a new one on me! > > I bit my tongue and was polite when I gave the reasons why butchering this > nice old cathedral is a Bad Idea. > > I also referred him to a nearby collector club in case he wants to restore > the set or dispose of it. > > Finally, I pointed him to one of the many vendors who sell new "Crosley" > radios in vintage-looking cabinets. > > Sheesh. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > Article: 322844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> Subject: FYI Google groups not working right again... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:57:03 GMT The server stalled at midnight...perhaps should be not just a pumpkin, but pie. Article: 322845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: ? Fluke 8600A service manual Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:17:32 -0400 Message-ID: <11iu772r15cg5d1@news.supernews.com> References: I can imagine their sales slogan: "If it works, it's a Fluke!" -- "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 322846 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: Question -- Jack Benny Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:28:18 -0400 Here's an excerpt of the text: ------------------------------------------------- WHEN I go into a bank I get rattled. The clerks rattle me; the wickets rattle me; the sight of the money rattles me; everything rattles me. The moment I cross the threshold of a bank and attempt to transact business there, I become an irresponsible idiot. I knew this beforehand, but my salary had been raised to fifty dollars a month and I felt that the bank was the only place for it. So I shambled in and looked timidly round at the clerks. I had an idea that a person about to open an account must needs consult the manager. I went up to a wicket marked "Accountant." The accountant was a tall, cool devil. The very sight of him rattled me. My voice was sepulchral. "Can I see the manager?" I said, and added solemnly, "alone." I don't know why I said "alone." ------------------------------------------------- And so on. I would post the entire thing, since it really isn't very long, but I don't want to run afoul of copyright laws, so if you want more, here is the Source : Leacock, Stephen. «My Financial Career.» Literary Lapses : A Book of Sketches. Montréal : Gazette Printing Co., 1910. p. 5-9 -- "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 322847 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: FYI Google groups not working right again... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:03:01 GMT It's crawling back to life (if that's what they call it at Google). "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:jKEXe.1408$wR4.262324@monger.newsread.com... > The server stalled at midnight...perhaps should be not just a pumpkin, but > pie. > > Article: 322848 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: Yet another way to wreck a vintage radio Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:00:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: Phil Nelson wrote: > A guy who owns a Crosley 124 cathedral sent me the following in email: > > > My last question is are the glass tubes from this radio > > "worth" anything? If they're good and someone could > > use them to fix up another radio, then I don't want to > > ruin them. If they're a "dime-a-dozen" then I'm going > > to drill an 1/8" hole in the bottoms of them, insert an LED > > and light them up for looks when I retro fit this cabinet with > > a newer working radio. > > The bit about installling LEDs in the old tubes is a new one on me! Hi Phil, the use of LED _below_ modern tubes is described on http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Leserbriefe/Manfred-6c33-Amp/Manfred-6 C33C.htm Search for "blauen LED" and look at the picture below. The bias adjustment selector is switching a blue LED to show which tube is actual ;-) Unfortunately http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de is German language only. Of course a phantastic source. Kind Regards, Georg Article: 322849 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert Murrell" References: Subject: Re: Radio interfrence from ........ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:37:02 GMT They contained a diode. It dimmed the light, making last longer by cutting off 1/2 the cycle. They also cause the interference. "Terry" wrote in message news:GExXe.921$0u2.434604@news20.bellglobal.com... > Somewhat off topic but in a way not so? While talking about old-time radio > programmes, pre TV era with an acquaintance with not a great deal of > technical background he claimed the following. > > His parents home was in a small coastal community that received its first > electricity some 50 years ago. > About 40-45 years ago they had some single bulb light fixtures into which > had been fitted some sort of electricity saving 'button'. He would have > been about age 10 at the time. > > The buttons had been purchased through some magazine article (such as > Practical Mechanics) some years before that. > > I too vaguely seem to remember those being advertised? Understood it was a > round disc which was placed into the lamp socket and then the bulb was > screwed back in. I've always presumed it was some sort of diode or maybe a > disc type of resistor? Or maybe it was just 'snake oil' advertising? But > I've never actually seen one! > > Anyway; he claimed that they had one or two of these 'energy saving > buttons' that caused a 'buzzing' type radio interference on certain > stations, when those lights were switched on, especially at night when > they listened to more distant places. Night time 'skip'. > > Maybe the interference was just some sort of loose or heated connection; > but the way he described it it sounds as though the interference was more > coherent than that. He claimed he could tune up and down the AM band when > those particular lights were switched and would get the buzzing noise at > certain points on the dial. With those lights off the buzz disappeared! > > Any idea what those 'electricity saving' buttons were and how they > could/might have affected radio reception. BTW there were no high power > broadcast transmitters around that area AFIK, it was outlying on the > Atlantic coast. The famous Cape Race station was maybe 50 miles away but > it would not have been radiating continuous signals and in fact some/much > of its transmission, in those days, would have been morse (CW) and > therefore easier to identify even by someone who was not familiar with the > code. > > Any comment welcome. > Article: 322850 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Yet another way to wreck a vintage radio Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:39:08 GMT "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote in message news:dgnfua$15h$04$1@news.t-online.com... > > > the use of LED _below_ modern tubes is described on > http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Leserbriefe/Manfred-6c33-Amp/Manfred-6 > C33C.htm > Search for "blauen LED" and look at the picture below. > The bias adjustment selector is switching a blue LED to show which > tube is actual ;-) > > Unfortunately http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de is German language > only. Of course a phantastic source. > > Kind Regards, > Georg > > > Very pretty workmanship there George! ( http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/ Click on Leser-Projekte (left margin), then on "- der 6C33C-PP-Amp im Messingkleid") Translating through Alta Vista's Babelfish works quite well for this site. http://babelfish.altavista.com/ "Möchte man den Ruhestrom einstellen, entfernt man die Schutzkappen der Potis und dreht den Umschalter, abwechselnd je nach Stellung des Drehschalters wird jeweils bei einem Poti eine LED leuchten, gleichzeitig (und nur dann) wird die zugehörige Röhre mit einer blauen LED hinterleuchtet, der entsprechende Ruhestrom ist auf dem Einbauvoltmeter ablesbar." Becomes: "If one would like to stop the quiescent current, one removes the protective caps of the potentiometers and turns the change over switch, alternating depending upon position of the rotary switch with a potentiometer an LED to shine in each case, at the same time (and only then) the associated tube with a blue LED is behind-shone, the appropriate quiescent current is readable on the installation voltmeter." jim menning Article: 322851 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "amp11plzDontSpam" References: Subject: Re: West German RCA 67QR77M am/sw radio Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:23:50 GMT Thank you for the idea - I did the quality adjustment when I saved it as a jpeg. Allan "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:MbwXe.1382$wR4.254727@monger.newsread.com... > When you go to save the pix, adjust the setting for quality > (compression)...you can get away with a large reduction in this case and not > really affect viewability. JPEG's are supposed to be lossless or whatever > the word is so it doesn't matter a lot here. > > "amp11plzDontSpam" wrote in message > news:E1vXe.206$zQ3.13@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > Four pictures of an RCA 67QR77M radio that I fixed for a friend are posted > > on the alt.binaries.pictures.radio group. It works remarkably well, > > considering that I did not have a schematic or other documentation so I > did > > not attempt to align it. It did better on shortwave with a 4 foot antenna > > than a radio shack DX-398. > > > > The owner bought it at a PX in Okinawa in about 1958 and gave it to his > > parents as a gift from whom he subsequently inherited it. > > > > Some time ago I posted about documentation for this radio on several > forums. > > A guy that was familiar with RCA service documentation wrote to tell me > that > > RCA did not stock service documentation on this and that the schematic was > > included with the radio. Apparently it was sold for several years, > starting > > in about 1955. If anyone has the documentation for this, I would > appreciate > > even though the radio is working ok now. > > > > The main repairs that I did were to replace the coupling and tone control > > capacitors and to replace the EM-34 with a 1629 (using a voltage doubling > > circuit to get the 12 volt filament voltage for the 1629. > > > > The initial problem that caused it to not work at all, was that a > capacitor > > in the B+ supply to the rf amplifier had a dc resistance of 280 ohms. The > > resistor that fed the plate voltage worked well as a fuse ,but burned so > > thoroughly that I did not know exactly what value to use. I experimented > to > > find a value that generated appropriate values for the relationships > between > > the grid and plate voltages, according to an RCA tube manual that I have - > I > > think that the rf amplifier is a 6BE6 but I cannot find my notes from > > working on the radio and I have returned the radio to its owner. > > > > In any event I thought that it is an interesting radio and that someone > > might have an interest in it. The cabinet is almost identical to that of > an > > RCA 9-INT-1 table radio, although the chassis supports and the dial are > > different. > > > > A note of apology about the photographs - they are a little on the large > > side - I reduced them from their original size and cropped them to reduce > > the posting size, but they are still large. A further apology - this is > the > > first radio that I have photographed, so more art could be brought to the > > taking of the photographs and the image brightness and contrast > > adjustments!! > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > Article: 322852 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: Subject: Re: Kutztown, Kutztown, yeah, yeah . . . Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:06:16 GMT Ive been to the Renningers at Mt Dora, its quite a place too! Sounds like an excellent venue to get a local club started down there and your own version of Kutztown there in the south. Keith "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:kByXe.539$oc.272@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > First off, I'm glad Kutztown was such a success. However you must admit > that it's a long, long way from Sarasota which means it's hard for me to > attend. > > I understand this event is hosted by Renninger's, which also a location > (with some events) in Mt. Dora. Possibly one of these days I'll head in > that direction to see what's happening. > > Meanwhile, we have a humble little tri-annual swap meet here is Sarasota. > It's enjoyable, but it's small. With any luck, that's about to change. The > next date is the first Saturday in December, but I've already been doing my > homework -- I've got three new dealers interested, and at least one of them > has quite an inventory that he's excited about bringing to the event. I'm > just getting started -- we'll see what happens. > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > Article: 322853 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: Subject: Re: Trickle Charge Current? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:11:13 GMT I trickle my car batteries at about 35ma over the winter... gets me 8-10 years out of a good interstate. Dont deep discharge car batteries though, they need to be kept fully charged. -- Keith Keith Park Top Notch Restorations topnotch@nycap.rr.com 71 Squareback 65 Notchback "El BajaRojo" 65 Squareback "Eggcrate" 87 Golf 88 Rx7 10th Anniversary "Rextur" (For Sale) 93 Rx7 fast enough to stay Stock! From adouglasatgis.net Wed Sep 21 00:21:40 EDT 2005 Article: 322854 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ? Fluke 8600A service manual Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:57:21 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <1127175483.225767.7310@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-124.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:322854 Hi, >I can imagine their sales slogan: "If it works, it's a Fluke!" I actually did see a competitor's ad reading "It's no Fluke." Alan Article: 322855 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <1127002137.716655.299310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127095583.551125.316450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Kutztown Acquisitions & Clinic Report Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:18:48 GMT Every time I hear someone say to me "I plugged it in...." I want to Slap them! The amount of blown transformers Ive seen suddenly went way up about 7-8 years ago when the public found the internet and found out these things were worth something. There was another Zenith of that era there with alot of drippings coming out the bottom of its power transformer.... doesnt take long when the 6X5 goes! Keith "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1127095583.551125.316450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Update: The Zenith 6S254 has a blown output transformer. When I plugged > in my spare Zenith speaker, it buzzed but tried to play. ___AND___ the > draw was nearly two (2) amps for a six-tube radio. I cut off power at > about 80V. > > I expect that someone 'tried' the radio and blew the output > transformer. Oh, well. Of all the semi-unobtanium things it could be, > that is perhaps the easiest of all to replace, or bypass for the > moment. Article: 322856 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <5O5Xe.98049$Hx4.19367@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1127095052.395625.262980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Kutztown Report Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:33:44 GMT This sounds like a great idea! Im sure I can dig up something other than the Plastic's with "Silver mica disease" When I put all my new sets away... somehow, somewhere... with some creative 'stuffing' Ill try and pick out a good candidate and make the basic checks. This would be much better for a new collector than my first radio experience, a Victor R34 that had been hit by lightening with ALL the resistors and coils open in the Radio section... and alot of butchering to boot! took a year and alot of help but it played again... and still does in my guestroom! Keith > Keith: > > How about this: > > Next spring, in's'Allah, I will be doing the Clinic again. You will be > bringing stuff, as will be John H.. If we could prevail upon the > powers-that-be at Renningers, and if you two would be willing, we might > schedule your tables near the DVHRC Club tables. > > On Friday, we would conspire on a couple of candidate radios (one from > each of you) that if purchased by a "qualified" buyer (newbie who might > want to learn) would become the clinic radios for that Friday PM and > Saturday AM. The buyer would get a hands-on learning experience > including a 'free' diagnosis and recap w/alignment if required. The > caveats would be radios that could be fixed with available parts and > within 3-5 hours each. So, no blown power transformers, silver-mica > disease, blown IF cans and/or blown field-coils or output transformers. > You would sell the radio at whatever your price might be, I would > supply the caps/resistors/coaching/alignment as needed. But it would be > a 'package deal'. > > If we are serious about getting new people into the hobby, and as you > mentioned there is a good deal of interest out there, we should do > everything we can to be creative and make that 'first' radio experience > a good one. > > How do you feel? John? Others? > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 322857 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <432F6FBD.F8BC6A2E@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: OT: big screen repair question References: <1127179642.768449.322310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:10:30 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote: > > rca projection tv, model p46770ck. apparently the HV splitter module is > toast since that is what smokes when you turn it on. my questions > are....is this caused by lightning? are there other things that i need > to check before i power up when i replace the splitter? what does it > do? is it simply a transformer? the part number on the splitter is > 205064. Eddie, you should ask this on the sci.electronics.repair newsgroup. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 322858 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Janssen Subject: Re: ? Fluke 8600A service manual References: <1127175483.225767.7310@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 04:24:43 GMT Travis wrote: >Hi Bill, >Fluke has the complete manual with schematic available for download: >http://us.fluke.com/usen/support/manuals/default.htm >The file is over 5MB - hope you aren't on a dial-up connection. > > > Thanks for that advice. I tried looking for information and didn't find that site even though I looked at the Fluke site. No I can't "afford" to repair my meter but I want to anyway. I have another 8600 so I can compare tests, so that gives me some help. But as I said I want to repair the broken one. Thanks Bill K7NOM Article: 322859 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Fluke 30022 digital meter question Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:04:19 GMT "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:olvui1t0blo6ssh973utk4em53rgh5ds7g@4ax.com... > I would like to thank everyone who responded to my question here. The > meter is now working thanks to you guys. > > It was the input fuse. I checked the other fuse, but didn't know there > was one for input too. Now it measures resistance and voltage. I > haven't tried current yet, but it looks like I'm in business now. > > Thanks again, and one final question. > > Is this any better in any way than the digital hand-held meters you > can buy in the stores now? If it isn't, I don't care. It's a backup in > case I blow out my other ones and I like the Nixie tubes! > .... > Blacksmith If you like 'em, isn't that all that matters? Article: 322860 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127181197.306441.128190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Everyeady battery 67 1/2 volts Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:05:13 GMT Welcome back, Bob. wrote in message news:1127181197.306441.128190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > What is ABPR? How can I access the scans? Thanks. > BOB > Article: 322861 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> Subject: Zenith Royal 880 update Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:52:23 GMT I finally got the 6 C batteries in and man it roared to life! One small thing to overcome is that the AM-FM switch knob is cracked and it takes a pair of pliers to change bands. The AM is quite nice, the switch needs cleaning, and the FM is okay but it still suffers from not having an AFC possibly (I'm not sure if it does). This set is called "The Vocalist", I gather, and indeed it sings well with a rich and enjoyable tone and robust amp. A good example of this is playing as I write, "A Taste Of Honey" by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, sounding nearly as good as that gold labeled mono single I cherish in my own collection. It's a dandy set still after over 40 years. Could use some reverb for Rosie and the Originals though... Article: 322862 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <1127172803.552368.38140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Electrostatic tweeter rebuild Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:18:34 GMT Thanks Phil for the compliment. I added comments to the middle of the page that indicates the three main problems with this speaker. Hopefully that should explain better the challenge with this unit. PP. "philsvintageradios" wrote in message news:1127172803.552368.38140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >I remember taking one of these apart a few years back. > I noted that it looked like the problem was with the silvered coating. > there is a piece of mylar with a coating on it right? > > I had the idea that I could replace this using a piece of foil from a > cigarette pack. > the foil from ( Canadian) cigarettes is a very thin paper, which is > bonded to an even thinner allunimum foil. The foil and the paper > backing can be separated, then if you put it down on a smooth surface > and rub it with the back of your fingernail it will bond onto any > smooth surface quite well. this is a neat trick for Pseudo "chroming" > it comes in silver and gold. > only the foil with tiny bumps works this way. the stuff like from say > Juicy fruit gum isn't the same, that stuff is smooth. when you rub it > down on a smooth surface it smooths out , almost like chrome. > > Anyway I remember using this stuff, but when I reassembled the speaker > it didn't work. it had two of these tweeters and I left it at that. I > think the idea could have worked, but it did not in this case. for > whatever reason it didn't make contact properly. > > I always thought the problem was with the way this foil was with the > contact to this foil. I was trying to understand from the web page how > you fixed it , what the problem was exactly. did you just clean this > contact and reassemble? as far as I remember the mylar only has a thin > coating on it , and can't be soldered to. so the contact was made by > pressing against this thin film. That was bound to fail because the > coated mylar moves, thus wearing through the very thin coating in the > area where the contact is made. > > I don't remember any foam in the one I was into.. mine was a Nordmende > Boheme... a typical piano key radio. > > To critique it , I would say to make the part where you did the actual > repair more of the page,, others can figure out how to take it apart > and reassemble it , that's easy . But I better not critique too far , > yours works :) two thumbs up !! > Phil > Article: 322863 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carter-K8VT Subject: Re: Electrostatic tweeter rebuild References: <1127172807.523975.38500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:25:08 GMT philsvintageradios wrote: > I had the idea that I could replace this using a piece of foil from a > cigarette pack. the foil from ( Canadian) cigarettes is a very thin > paper, which is bonded to an even thinner allunimum foil. The foil > and the paper backing can be separated, How did you separate them? Could you elaborate please... Thanks Article: 322864 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <432edadb$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> <432edbca$0$22208$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:29:31 GMT Great work! Try spraying them with lacquer (test one first) or the art stores have a spray can of some sort of "fixer" that will protect the ink jet colors from moisture. Consider the following - Your work deserves a fair price. You may have too many listed at one time to get a fair price on these units. Too much "supply" at this time (until your product gets some recognition - Demand). Paul. "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:432edbca$0$22208$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... > personalradios > > > "Larry Fowkes" wrote in message > news:432edadb$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com... >> Bill, >> >> What is your Ebay Id, I am very interested >> >> >> "Bill Morris" wrote in message >> news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... >>> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 >>> version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working >>> Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with >>> working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >> >> > > Article: 322865 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:39:14 GMT Save one for me!!! PP "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... > Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 > version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working > Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with > working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. > > Bill > > Article: 322866 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "G. Wilson" Subject: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:32:30 -0600 Message-ID: hello My model IP - 20 power supply has real problems . Can anyone help with a schematic or theory on how it works thanks Gordon Article: 322867 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <433020B0.425E31F3@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: OT: big screen repair question References: <1127179642.768449.322310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:46:04 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote: > > thanks for the help michael. many of the people here know something > about things other than obsolete electronics. I know that but the group I recommended has a lot more who work with big screen TVs every day. Also, some people from here post there, as well. Not only that, but it will be in their archives if someone searches for the same problem in the future. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 322868 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply References: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:53:47 GMT "G. Wilson" wrote: > > hello > My model IP - 20 power supply has real problems . > Can anyone help with a schematic > or theory on how it works > thanks > Gordon I have two GIFs for the schematic of that model. I will post them on news:alt.binary.pictures.radio for you. I don't remember where I got them, but they haven't been cleaned up and spliced together, yet. They are usable but you'll have to work from the screen or tape the pieces together. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 322869 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:13:31 -0400 "Michael A. Terrell" a écrit > > I have two GIFs for the schematic of that model. I will post them on > news:alt.binary.pictures.radio for you. I don't remember where I got > them, Most probably from this website: http://web.archive.org/web/20020201194744/www.circuitarchive.co.uk/heath.htm Syl Article: 322870 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Raymond Koonce Subject: Re: Radio interfrence from ........ References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:59:14 -0500 Hi Terry and Robert, I use these things on some hard-to-reach bulbs and I've never heard any interference. They do extend bulb life. I think it's correct that they contain a diode. When they're first turned on, the bulbs will exhibit some "flicker", I assume from the missing half-cycle, but that effect only lasts a short time. I got mine at an Ace Hardware store and they're called, strangely enough, "Bulb Savers". Best regards, Raymond Robert Murrell wrote: > They contained a diode. It dimmed the light, making last longer by cutting > off 1/2 the cycle. They also cause the interference. > > "Terry" wrote in message > news:GExXe.921$0u2.434604@news20.bellglobal.com... > >>Somewhat off topic but in a way not so? While talking about old-time radio >>programmes, pre TV era with an acquaintance with not a great deal of >>technical background he claimed the following. >> >>His parents home was in a small coastal community that received its first >>electricity some 50 years ago. >>About 40-45 years ago they had some single bulb light fixtures into which >>had been fitted some sort of electricity saving 'button'. He would have >>been about age 10 at the time. >> >>The buttons had been purchased through some magazine article (such as >>Practical Mechanics) some years before that. >> >>I too vaguely seem to remember those being advertised? Understood it was a >>round disc which was placed into the lamp socket and then the bulb was >>screwed back in. I've always presumed it was some sort of diode or maybe a >>disc type of resistor? Or maybe it was just 'snake oil' advertising? But >>I've never actually seen one! >> >>Anyway; he claimed that they had one or two of these 'energy saving >>buttons' that caused a 'buzzing' type radio interference on certain >>stations, when those lights were switched on, especially at night when >>they listened to more distant places. Night time 'skip'. >> >>Maybe the interference was just some sort of loose or heated connection; >>but the way he described it it sounds as though the interference was more >>coherent than that. He claimed he could tune up and down the AM band when >>those particular lights were switched and would get the buzzing noise at >>certain points on the dial. With those lights off the buzz disappeared! >> >>Any idea what those 'electricity saving' buttons were and how they >>could/might have affected radio reception. BTW there were no high power >>broadcast transmitters around that area AFIK, it was outlying on the >>Atlantic coast. The famous Cape Race station was maybe 50 miles away but >>it would not have been radiating continuous signals and in fact some/much >>of its transmission, in those days, would have been morse (CW) and >>therefore easier to identify even by someone who was not familiar with the >>code. >> >>Any comment welcome. >> > > > Article: 322871 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> <433027AD.31C489FE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:35:50 GMT Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Syl wrote: >>Most probably from this website: >>http://web.archive.org/web/20020201194744/www.circuitarchive.co.uk/heath.htm > Is that the site the guy pulled down because Heathkit was owned by > Schlumberger at one time? Actually, he pulled it over our involvement in Iraq. It was a political statement. Of sorts. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322872 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:29:36 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> <433027AD.31C489FE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <901ca$43304701$4232bd38$13586@COQUI.NET> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > >> Is that the site the guy pulled down because Heathkit was owned by >> Schlumberger at one time? > > > Actually, he pulled it over our involvement in Iraq. > It was a political statement. Of sorts. > > Jeff > Yeah, but he got over that and the site was started again. Then it went away again. What was that all about? -Bill Article: 322873 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "R Park" Subject: Capacitor question Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:30:23 GMT Hi Group While working on a de forest A98/41 battery operated floor console for a friend of mine, I came across a capacitor in the battery eliminator I have never seen before. It is in the 2 volt supply and is marked Mallory Type EP Max Z .32 OHMS 2 V (that's point 32 ohms, incase you missed the decimal point) I am guessing at the .32 as it could be .92 as the top half of the numbers are scratched off the cardboard tube. It measures 4 1/2 inches long and 1 3/16 inches in diameter. I am assuming the Max Z means maximum impedance. Any ideas what the capacity of the capacitor is ? I have posted a schematic on the ABPR. It is C 5 on the schematic. Radio works great, and all I had to do was replace the dial cord Regards Reed ----- ARROW Research - Avro CF-105 Reed Park 916 Pre-d'en-Haut Street Memramcook, New Brunswick Canada - E4K 1L1 (506) 758-3128 Amateur Radio V E 1 N U WW2, # 19 SET user Paraset replica builder and owner of a real one. Article: 322874 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:33:00 GMT I was in a gas station the other day relieving myself of any extra $20 bills for gasoline and I noticed something about product placement. On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, fuct tape and condoms. Go figure. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322875 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: OVER 800 Vintage Vacuum Tubes Available References: <1127226426.708887.104410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127233771.780449.114290@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:54:09 -0400 He probably shouldn't have printed the inventory. Look at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5808983286 Ken Peter Wieck wrote: > Protocol is to put FA in the header. This helps with screening eBay > teasers out as well as kill-filing perpetual eBay listers. > > Not surprised at the lack of bids based on the inventory shown. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 322876 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:48:47 GMT "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:gJXXe.743$EA4.75@tornado.socal.rr.com... > I was in a gas station the other day relieving myself of any > extra $20 bills for gasoline and I noticed something about > product placement. > > On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, > fuct tape and condoms. > > Go figure. > > Jeff Maybe it's for the next Survivor casting call Article: 322877 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <433058EB.FD5026C5@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:46:16 GMT tschw10117@aol.com wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6561806079 > > This time it's one of the big boys. Catalinradio.com. > He's borrowed my batman-esque scan of the Sears catalog Rocket radio > page for his auction. (Scan orignally provided by my friend Eric) > > I've already emailed him.... will await his response. > > Looks like I'm going to have to watermark my photos. > > Terry. Why not just block any hot linking from E-bay while you are at it? A simple Javascript will redirect them to a different website, or another page on your site. I have links to several free scripts that could help you. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 322878 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:06:40 -0500 Message-ID: <43305dc1$0$22207$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Everybody sing--"Bringing in the Sheep, Bringing in the Sheep...." :-) "TerryJ" wrote in message news:4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com... > What is 'fuct tape'? Never seen it stocked around here.... > Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > news:gJXXe.743$EA4.75@tornado.socal.rr.com... >>I was in a gas station the other day relieving myself of any >> extra $20 bills for gasoline and I noticed something about >> product placement. >> >> On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, >> fuct tape and condoms. >> >> Go figure. >> >> Jeff >> >> -- >> RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to >> the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal >> force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED >> under the Internal Security Act of 1950. > Article: 322879 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:09:45 GMT TerryJ wrote: > What is 'fuct tape'? Never seen it stocked around here.... Fat fingers, I meant to type "duct tape." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322880 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: CalBubba Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Date: 20 Sep 2005 14:43:02 -0500 Message-ID: <433065ed$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> References: <1127243169.214522.327040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Mike Koste wrote: > Can you use fuct tape in place of a condom? > You would then be very fuct. Bubba Article: 322881 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply From: Larry References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> <433027AD.31C489FE@earthlink.net> <901ca$43304701$4232bd38$13586@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:11:47 -0400 Bill wrote in news:901ca$43304701$4232bd38$13586@COQUI.NET: > Yeah, but he got over that and the site was started again. Then it went > away again. What was that all about? > > -Bill > Maybe he's blaming Bush for Hurricane Katrina....(c; -- Larry Article: 322882 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" Subject: Temp. tube equivalent question Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:12:08 GMT In a stock of about 1000 tubes at home there is always the absence of the tube you need.. Would a 6B8 work as a 6DC8 (EBF89) in a IF stage? I'd use it to test a Geloso receiver, it's EBF is dead.. Thanks! -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 322883 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DaveW Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:55:49 GMT Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > > TerryJ wrote: > >> What is 'fuct tape'? Never seen it stocked around here.... > > > Fat fingers, I meant to type "duct tape." > > Jeff > Yeah, yeah, sure, sure! The typo just made your observation all the funnier. And they say Freud is dead! DAve Article: 322884 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:49:32 -0500 Message-ID: <4330a003$0$32198$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Still working on it, can't say when yet. "Shawn K" wrote in message news:nMJXe.525298$s54.44430@pd7tw2no... > WOW!! Very nice indeed! When is this battery CD going to be available?? > > Bill Morris wrote: >> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 >> version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working >> Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with >> working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. >> >> Bill >> >> > > > -- > > Shawn K > www.thisoldradio.com Article: 322885 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Martin Crossley" References: Subject: Re: Temp. tube equivalent question Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:12:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4330a60a$0$1287$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> Daniele wrote: > In a stock of about 1000 tubes at home there is always > the absence of the tube you need.. > > Would a 6B8 work as a 6DC8 (EBF89) in a IF stage? > I'd use it to test a Geloso receiver, it's EBF is dead.. > > Thanks! It'll probably work electrically, but won't fit because it's an octal... and an adaptor would be ugly and hard to make with a B9A base and might cause instability.. The 6N8/EBF80 is pin-compatible, and an ECH81/6AJ8, despite being a triode-hexode, might also work just plugged straight in, depending on whether both diodes are used in your set. Other possibilities are EF85, EF89,EF183 plus a pair of semiconductor diodes and minor rewiring of the valveholder. Martin. Article: 322886 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> Subject: Get this! Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:42:04 GMT I think I like UK eBay... ~~~~~~~~~ We understand the importance and serious nature of your question and will do all within our power to answer your specific enquiry within 24 hours of receipt of this mail. It may be necessary for us to occasionally send your question to a department more specifically designed to best address your concern. 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The eBay Announcement Boards contain the latest information regarding eBay features, system status, and special promotions: http://wlkmbkjbkljbkjbkbkjbvkjbketing-uk.shtml ~~~~~~~ Wish our canned replies sounded so nice Article: 322887 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> <433027AD.31C489FE@earthlink.net> <901ca$43304701$4232bd38$13586@COQUI.NET> Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:44:06 GMT "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns96D7AF42D2E2Dnoone@63.223.7.253... > Bill wrote in > news:901ca$43304701$4232bd38$13586@COQUI.NET: > > > Yeah, but he got over that and the site was started again. Then it went > > away again. What was that all about? > > > > -Bill > > > > Maybe he's blaming Bush for Hurricane Katrina....(c; > > -- > Larry I thought he had two young "storms" of his own already ;-P Article: 322888 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Yet another way to wreck a vintage radio Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:45:07 GMT "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:JrmdnXCeEq7KyK3eRVn-gw@giganews.com... > Well, the guy wasn't quite as bad as I thought. He bought a repro "Crosley" > cathedral, extended the controls on jumpers, and installed that in his old > cabinet. Nondestructive and probably looks decent. > > He also drilled out the bottom of a tube (a blue Arcturus) and installed an > LED, but didn't like the results. > > Since the guy knows how to solder, I think I have convinced him to try his > hand at recapping the old chassis -- or at least donating it to the nearest > collector club if he decides that he doesn't want it. > > Phil Nelson That sounds excellent, Phil. Good show! Article: 322889 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127243169.214522.327040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <433065ed$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:46:23 GMT "CalBubba" wrote in message news:433065ed$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com... > Mike Koste wrote: > > Can you use fuct tape in place of a condom? > > > You would then be very fuct. > > Bubba I can't believe he wrapped around that one. Article: 322890 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:47:02 GMT Too late, we're having so much FUN! "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:Z7ZXe.754$EA4.613@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > TerryJ wrote: > > > What is 'fuct tape'? Never seen it stocked around here.... > > Fat fingers, I meant to type "duct tape." > > Jeff > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322891 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:49:24 GMT Brings up the sticker I saw, Dave... "I have a perfect body" "It's in the trunk" "And starting to smell" Article: 322892 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:57:45 GMT If you can lay claim to a particular technical aspect of the scan (improvements, embellishments etc), and the image is deemed in the public domain or you have done something that makes it it's own distinct piece of "artwork", you can claim it as a copyrighted item, can't you? If it is Saers' then can you claim it as a published work (with a circle P) and (C) Sears, Roebuck and Company? This is what record companies do when the acquire titles from other companies, isn't it? wrote in message news:1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Of course I can't claim a copyright to a Sears catalog page. It's just > common courtesy to ask someone before you purloin a photo, scan, or > text from someone else's web page - unless blanket permission is > granted on the site itself. > > Maybe I was wrong to use the Sears scan to begin with? Should I have > contacted Sears over a 68 year old catalog page? It never dawned on me > that it could be an issue! I guess I better do that. I can't very well > go around bitching about others unless I am without sin.... time to zip > it I guess. > > I get lots of those types of requests, too, Phil, and I always give > permission as long as they ask *nicely*. > > Michael, I'll look into your method as well. > > Here's a band from Cananda that wanted a radio photo: > www.semi-louise.com > > They chose a nice bakelite Admiral image from my site to use on their > site. No problem. > > Terry. > Article: 322893 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: I hate that old rubber-insulated wiring! From: Larry References: <1127251553.999180.187390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:03:04 -0400 "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in news:1127251553.999180.187390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > cracked rubber....dang-it. > Stupid Underwriters Laboratory used to make them all use rubber power cords. Hammond Organs just intermittently EXPLODE when someone moves the power cord or the cable to the external speaker-amp (tone cabinet). One organist here was burned when she dared reach up under it to pull the chain on the pedal light up under the keybed. She bumped the damned rubber covered wire to the light and IT exploded right where her hand brushed it. I replace them all, now, for many years.....But, alas, there are still lots of instruments out there with the UL's STUPID rubber-covered wires, even though the rest of the organ is all plastic wires, that still look shiny new! Idiots. My expensive Weller thermostat-controlled soldering iron recently exploded in my hand from its stupid rubber-covered round power wire. The outside of the cable wasn't split, well, not until it burned! The rubber covered conductors hidden away INSIDE the black rubber outside were TOTALLY DISINTEGRATED. It has a plastic 99c extension cord wire on it now....(c; - Larry Article: 322894 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bob Weiss Subject: Re: OT: big screen repair question References: <1127179642.768449.322310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:46:21 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote: > rca projection tv, model p46770ck. apparently the HV splitter module is > toast since that is what smokes when you turn it on. Well that isn't very encouraging.... my questions > are....is this caused by lightning? I doubt it. are there other things that i need > to check before i power up when i replace the splitter? I would verify that you have HV going INTO the splitter before replacing it, but you likely do if it is smoking. Presence of HV at the input verifies that the flyback is working properly. This site: http://www.tritronicsinc.com/cgi-bin/onramp.exe?pgm=itemdet_cs.bbx&custnum=RETAIL&password=1127266887&id=CTC169-KIT-PTV++++++ mentions a "repair kit" which includes the splitter, so there may be some "common failures" associated with it. what does it > do? Splits the single HV output from the flyback into 3 separate outputs for the 3 CRTs. Depending on the set, it may also incorporate a voltage multiplier/rectifier network, and/or a focus divider network and focus pots for the 3 tubes. is it simply a transformer? Not a transformer. It may contain capacitors, diodes, and resistors, though.... Bob Weiss N2IXK Article: 322895 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OVER 800 Vintage Vacuum Tubes Available From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1127226426.708887.104410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:46:46 GMT In article <1127226426.708887.104410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, jl@jps.net says... > > > > >Just listed on ebay - hundreds of vintage tubes in 13 auctions, >starting here > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5810039788 > >Tks, >JL > About 20 tubes out of the whole 800 that are worth bothering to sell and or buy... and 25 bucks to ship a box of toobes?... Sure hope that the one and only bidder lives down the street >from the guy and picks up the tubes.... for 99 cents per auction! John k9uwa Article: 322896 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Raymond Koonce Subject: Re: Radio interfrence from ........ References: <1127236099.415141.89890@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:06:43 -0500 That's it. I didn't pay that much, though, only about $6. Peter Wieck wrote: > http://www.acehardware.com/sm-lemra-products-the-button--pi-1379643.html > > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 322897 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: Temp. tube equivalent question Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:22:35 -0400 "Daniele" a écrit > Would a 6B8 work as a 6DC8 (EBF89) in a IF stage? > I'd use it to test a Geloso receiver, it's EBF is dead.. Daniele, Specs are similar, enough for testing purpose, but you will have to build an adapter, one is novar the other is octal. I wish I could help. Syl Article: 322898 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "benjamaniac" Subject: Looking for a part Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:58:42 -0600 Message-ID: I'm looking for a dial cover and bezel for a Philco 37-610 table model. Anyone got one in their bag of tricks ?? Thanks, Ben Article: 322899 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: It's happened again.... From: Larry References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:25:05 -0400 "Phil Nelson" wrote in news:kZ-dnb-o6omxOq3eRVn- iQ@giganews.com: > Somebody must own a copyright in those publications, at > least. > We all know the kiddie song "Happy Birthday", right? I'm nearly 60 and have heard it all my life. But, did you know who owns the COPYRIGHT to this beloved song....and the reason the employees of a restaurant don't sing it, but substitute some stupid home-made song instead? AOL/Time-Warner, our beloved cable and internet conglomerate owns "Happy Birthday".....and wants a rich royalty if you dare sing it in public, too! Everything is copyrighted. If you go to any kind of church, open the hymnal and go to the back pages. You'll find whole lists of who owns what religious songs. Try not to laugh during his sermon about mass murders or divorce as you do. Even the very old hymns are owned by "something", some entity. Your church pays a yearly royalty fee to the organization that represents these copyright holders. US Law (and probably a lot of other countries) EXTENDED the copyright length on all works to virtual infinity renewals when the RIAA and MPAA donated to your congressman's re-election ripoff and bribery scheme. How easy it is to get things like DCMA and other copyright legislation past. Jail sentences for ripping off "Happy Birthday" are longer than armed robbery of a 7-11, now, even with a gun. Of course, the appropriate answer is to STOP BUYING music/movie tickets/concert tickets/etc....(c; -- Larry Article: 322900 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Zenith Royal 880 update Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:08:07 -0700 Message-ID: References: Steven Dinius_ wrote: > I finally got the 6 C batteries in and man it roared to life! One small > thing to overcome is that the AM-FM switch knob is cracked and it takes a > pair of pliers to change bands. A common problem with this set...The bandswitch is pretty stiff and the plastic used on the knob is somewhat "soft". Not a good combination. > The AM is quite nice, Very hot AM band. > the switch needs > cleaning, and the FM is okay but it still suffers from not having an AFC > possibly (I'm not sure if it does). This set is called "The Vocalist", I > gather, and indeed it sings well with a rich and enjoyable tone and robust > amp. The sound quality of this model is indeed quite nice. Zenith did a good job on these early transistor AM/FM sets. There are several variations of this set out there. The 820 is virtually identical in appearance to the 880, and there is also one that has an "instant weather" feature. That one is essentially the same as the one you have, except it has a little weather band converter board rather clumsily glommed onto it. -Scott Article: 322901 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:18:18 -0700 Message-ID: References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> Syl wrote: > "Michael A. Terrell" a écrit > >> I have two GIFs for the schematic of that model. I will post them on >>news:alt.binary.pictures.radio for you. I don't remember where I got >>them, > > > Most probably from this website: > http://web.archive.org/web/20020201194744/www.circuitarchive.co.uk/heath.htm > I guess now would be a good time to plug archive.org's internet wayback machine. Many times, I have pulled otherwise impossible to obtain information from defunct web sites out of the ether thanks to this service. The link Syl cited above is just one example. May it live long! -Scott Article: 322902 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1126755891.895725.208660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1126784059.723336.226950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1126787217.270901.305780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127272336.775040.157340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ok, he's linked directly to my pictures Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:40:59 GMT ON TOPIC Terry I bought the H472W at the auction tonight, along with a Sylvania AM-FM table set with the interim Sylvania logo (a telephone and Roman sans-serif font instead of the GTE logo). The Circle of Sound will need some switches cared for and one segment of the third digit is bad. I wonder if that display is segmented or what board could replace the LEDs. The Sylvania will need some real TLC but was such a nice sounding SS radio that it and a recent Realistic (tunes to 1700) should soon be on the road to wellness and become sombodies gift for the season. Anyone I could show the Zenith to last night was impressed by the sheer amount of good sound and loud volume that it can produce. Shoud I brag about some prices? Oh, it's expected of me I'd reckon so... Zenith : $1 Sylvania: $4 Blonder-Tongue amp (switchable VHF or all and available FM trap, needed for my extended network): $2 late 90s Zenith VHS Hi-Fi and PhilipsMagnavox Hi-Fi: $7.50 each (remotes included) NICE oak finish moderns audio/video cabinet (casters included, even better shape than the last one): $10 non radio but NICE also: assortment of long stemmed glasses, some with gold trimmings, for parents' anniversary in Feb: $2 for two different patterns Two chairs to fix for my one of my tables: $2 mamiya/sekor (1:2 lens) "De Luxe" with case: $5 (priceless if you ask me) AND THE BIGGIE..... Hamilton Beach No. 51 Milkshake machine (cloth cord, will get its taill cut off and a white ext. cord carefully attached to carefully check it out, although I'd like to find the correct, SAFE cord before I give it away): $ONLY ONE DOLLAR No tubes this week, and no bicycle : ( just 67.10 WELL SPENT on my new home and the holidaze. Article: 322903 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:45:07 GMT "Matt The Cat" wrote in message news:Zq7Ye.2794$Az1.2730@trnddc07... > I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY > information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great > condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My > grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's true since it > says that it's "Equipped For Television". > > Does anyone know of a Westinghouse radio resource? Any help would be most > appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Matt By that they were referring to experimental television, at which time the sound may have been amplitude, not frequency modulated (and before you become skeptical, not the the British had already adopted this scheme IIRC with System A, 305 lines, which ran into the 1980s untouched before being eliminated) and the sets would've been able to amplify the sound IF just like a radio signal. Some RCAs employed this scheme, and one or two TV sets actually used it, with no audio of their own (one RCA is famous that didn't have an audio section just like that). For a thorough history of television from embryonic ideas to mechanical images and hints of oddities that make DVDs a deju vu experience, do visit the Early Television Foundation www.earlytelevision.org and while you are at it try http://www.mztv.com/ The Museum of Television. in Toronto's website, which is also a big treat and I wish I could see the real thing... Another treat or two: http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/front/features/996/mclean.html and http://www.tvhistory.tv/ So your grandmother was right but by the time it could have been used, it was too late. Do enjoy a wonderful piece of history, and pass it on down to the next genertion when you are though! Article: 322904 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 04:09:51 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> most of what gets passsed around about the 'happy birthday to you' song and how copyrights work in general is urban legend. and like most urban legends, there are crumbs of truth. time/warner CLAIMS OWNERSHIP on the copyright on the LYRICS for happy birthday to you. were this to be put to the test today it is somewhat questionable if they are legally able to own it. there are plenty of internet sources on the details of this. the question is, do you want to be the one to pay the lawyers to fight this? its cheaper just to pay them off via ASCAP and be done with it. 'singing a song in public' doesnt necessarily violate copyright law. 'public performances' (a legal definition with a specific meaning) are. and i doubt anyone can show proof of one actual person being put in jail for singing happy birthday to you... randy > > We all know the kiddie song "Happy Birthday", right? I'm nearly 60 and > have heard it all my life. > > But, did you know who owns the COPYRIGHT to this beloved song....and the > reason the employees of a restaurant don't sing it, but substitute some > stupid home-made song instead? > > AOL/Time-Warner, our beloved cable and internet conglomerate owns "Happy > Birthday".....and wants a rich royalty if you dare sing it in public, too! > > Everything is copyrighted. If you go to any kind of church, open the > hymnal and go to the back pages. You'll find whole lists of who owns what > religious songs. Try not to laugh during his sermon about mass murders or > divorce as you do. Even the very old hymns are owned by "something", some > entity. Your church pays a yearly royalty fee to the organization that > represents these copyright holders. > > US Law (and probably a lot of other countries) EXTENDED the copyright > length on all works to virtual infinity renewals when the RIAA and MPAA > donated to your congressman's re-election ripoff and bribery scheme. How > easy it is to get things like DCMA and other copyright legislation past. > Jail sentences for ripping off "Happy Birthday" are longer than armed > robbery of a 7-11, now, even with a gun. > > Of course, the appropriate answer is to STOP BUYING music/movie > tickets/concert tickets/etc....(c; > > -- > Larry Article: 322905 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" Subject: Tektronix 535 scope Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:59:22 GMT Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came from IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch where the power switch should be). Besides the controls needing cleaning, there are problems with the intensity control supply, and a few cracked molded paper caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out of there - at least in the critical circuits - and then replace the 'lytics. Things look pretty tight in this scope - has anyone does this without going mad? -- Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios From adouglasatgis.net Thu Sep 22 00:05:18 EDT 2005 Article: 322906 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:42:24 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9ud2j1t6nnvob4mgf7ols779b6i3kj550g@4ax.com> References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-531.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!cyclone.bc.net!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:322906 Hi, The tubes are probably good, since these instruments weren't used for long periods. But they're still used, and not worth much. There are very few 160As still in active use by people who would pay for a replacement tube. The typical problem is an open thermocouple, caused by changing bands with the multiplier control set too high. That's unfixable. If your meter moves at all, the thermocouple is probably good. The filter cap may work fine for limited use; it's up to you. A small fuse might be a good idea. Alan Article: 322907 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil (J. B. Wood) Subject: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:32:19 -0400 Message-ID: Hello, all. I found what I've identified as the subject AM 4-tube radio recently in my parent's attic. It is a small radio housed in a white metal cabinet with a red grill cloth and red knobs. It has a straight wire antenna in lieu of the usual fiberboard-mounted loop. I was wondering if this radio internally is identical to the Arvin 440-T. Thanks for your time and comment. Sincerely, John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory 4555 Overlook Avenue, SW Washington, DC 20375-5337 Article: 322908 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:48:26 GMT I've never heard the song at any Mexican restaurant. When they ambush you at the one downtown, they perform a rollicking tune in Spanish and end with Hey Hey Hey! I myself sing felix cumpleanos a yo, which is as close as I can figure. "xrongor" wrote in message news:dgrbha$5sq0$1@news3.infoave.net... > most of what gets passsed around about the 'happy birthday to you' song and > how copyrights work in general is urban legend. and like most urban > legends, there are crumbs of truth. > > time/warner CLAIMS OWNERSHIP on the copyright on the LYRICS for happy > birthday to you. were this to be put to the test today it is somewhat > questionable if they are legally able to own it. there are plenty of > internet sources on the details of this. the question is, do you want to be > the one to pay the lawyers to fight this? its cheaper just to pay them off > via ASCAP and be done with it. > > 'singing a song in public' doesnt necessarily violate copyright law. > 'public performances' (a legal definition with a specific meaning) are. > > and i doubt anyone can show proof of one actual person being put in jail for > singing happy birthday to you... > > randy > > > > > We all know the kiddie song "Happy Birthday", right? I'm nearly 60 and > > have heard it all my life. > > > > But, did you know who owns the COPYRIGHT to this beloved song....and the > > reason the employees of a restaurant don't sing it, but substitute some > > stupid home-made song instead? > > > > AOL/Time-Warner, our beloved cable and internet conglomerate owns "Happy > > Birthday".....and wants a rich royalty if you dare sing it in public, too! > > > > Everything is copyrighted. If you go to any kind of church, open the > > hymnal and go to the back pages. You'll find whole lists of who owns what > > religious songs. Try not to laugh during his sermon about mass murders or > > divorce as you do. Even the very old hymns are owned by "something", some > > entity. Your church pays a yearly royalty fee to the organization that > > represents these copyright holders. > > > > US Law (and probably a lot of other countries) EXTENDED the copyright > > length on all works to virtual infinity renewals when the RIAA and MPAA > > donated to your congressman's re-election ripoff and bribery scheme. How > > easy it is to get things like DCMA and other copyright legislation past. > > Jail sentences for ripping off "Happy Birthday" are longer than armed > > robbery of a 7-11, now, even with a gun. > > > > Of course, the appropriate answer is to STOP BUYING music/movie > > tickets/concert tickets/etc....(c; > > > > -- > > Larry > > Article: 322909 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:49:45 GMT 'Scuse...Feliz. Felix is a cool cat. "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:eMbYe.1491$wR4.287595@monger.newsread.com... > I've never heard the song at any Mexican restaurant. When they ambush you at > the one downtown, they perform a rollicking tune in Spanish and end with Hey > Hey Hey! I myself sing felix cumpleanos a yo, which is as close as I can > figure. > > "xrongor" wrote in message > news:dgrbha$5sq0$1@news3.infoave.net... > > most of what gets passsed around about the 'happy birthday to you' song > and > > how copyrights work in general is urban legend. and like most urban > > legends, there are crumbs of truth. > > > > time/warner CLAIMS OWNERSHIP on the copyright on the LYRICS for happy > > birthday to you. were this to be put to the test today it is somewhat > > questionable if they are legally able to own it. there are plenty of > > internet sources on the details of this. the question is, do you want to > be > > the one to pay the lawyers to fight this? its cheaper just to pay them > off > > via ASCAP and be done with it. > > > > 'singing a song in public' doesnt necessarily violate copyright law. > > 'public performances' (a legal definition with a specific meaning) are. > > > > and i doubt anyone can show proof of one actual person being put in jail > for > > singing happy birthday to you... > > > > randy > > > > > > > > We all know the kiddie song "Happy Birthday", right? I'm nearly 60 and > > > have heard it all my life. > > > > > > But, did you know who owns the COPYRIGHT to this beloved song....and the > > > reason the employees of a restaurant don't sing it, but substitute some > > > stupid home-made song instead? > > > > > > AOL/Time-Warner, our beloved cable and internet conglomerate owns "Happy > > > Birthday".....and wants a rich royalty if you dare sing it in public, > too! > > > > > > Everything is copyrighted. If you go to any kind of church, open the > > > hymnal and go to the back pages. You'll find whole lists of who owns > what > > > religious songs. Try not to laugh during his sermon about mass murders > or > > > divorce as you do. Even the very old hymns are owned by "something", > some > > > entity. Your church pays a yearly royalty fee to the organization that > > > represents these copyright holders. > > > > > > US Law (and probably a lot of other countries) EXTENDED the copyright > > > length on all works to virtual infinity renewals when the RIAA and MPAA > > > donated to your congressman's re-election ripoff and bribery scheme. > How > > > easy it is to get things like DCMA and other copyright legislation past. > > > Jail sentences for ripping off "Happy Birthday" are longer than armed > > > robbery of a 7-11, now, even with a gun. > > > > > > Of course, the appropriate answer is to STOP BUYING music/movie > > > tickets/concert tickets/etc....(c; > > > > > > -- > > > Larry > > > > > > Article: 322910 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:51:34 GMT Post it on the binaries. I believe Ken Gooding is very familiar with either model. "J. B. Wood" wrote in message news:wood-2109050732340001@jbw-mac.itd.nrl.navy.mil... > Hello, all. I found what I've identified as the subject AM 4-tube radio > recently in my parent's attic. It is a small radio housed in a white > metal cabinet with a red grill cloth and red knobs. It has a straight > wire antenna in lieu of the usual fiberboard-mounted loop. I was > wondering if this radio internally is identical to the Arvin 440-T. > Thanks for your time and comment. Sincerely, > > John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil > Naval Research Laboratory > 4555 Overlook Avenue, SW > Washington, DC 20375-5337 Article: 322911 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "G. Wilson" Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:41:39 -0600 Message-ID: References: In article , "G. Wilson" wrote: > hello > My model IP - 20 power supply has real problems . > Can anyone help with a schematic > or theory on how it works > thanks > Gordon Hi all I want to thank everyone for the help It's appreciated !! Now its repair time Gordon Article: 322912 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Tektronix 535 scope References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:04:41 GMT Before you do anything else....buy a small roll of 2% silver solder. That beast uses notched ceramic terminal strips. Regular solder will will degrade the connections on the strips enough to have them pull away from the ceramic. Jeff Jon wrote: > Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came from > IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch where the > power switch should be). Besides the controls needing cleaning, there are > problems with the intensity control supply, and a few cracked molded paper > caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out of there - at least in the > critical circuits - and then replace the 'lytics. Things look pretty tight > in this scope - has anyone does this without going mad? > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322913 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" References: Subject: Re: Tektronix 535 scope Message-ID: <1WcYe.9190$i86.8709@trndny01> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:07:09 GMT Hi Jon, One thing to keep in mind with these scopes. The components were mounted on ceramic terminal blocks with metalized contacts. Tek used, IIRC, 2% silver solder on all of these connections. While you can get a away with standard 60/40 or 63/37 solder, its not recommended (the terminals will fail after repeated soldering. If you plan on a major re-cap, you should get hold of some of this solder. Note that Tek used the highest grade components of the era, so you may not need to go through the whole scope as you would with a consumer product. The choice is yours. Mark "Jon" wrote in message news:e2bYe.77176$PM3.65664@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came from > IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch where the > power switch should be). Besides the controls needing cleaning, there are > problems with the intensity control supply, and a few cracked molded paper > caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out of there - at least in the > critical circuits - and then replace the 'lytics. Things look pretty tight > in this scope - has anyone does this without going mad? > > -- > Jon Scaptura > Endicott, NY > > See my antique radios here: > http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios > > Article: 322914 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:50:11 +0200 Message-ID: <57e88449c7fe696c0f9973e8d8416c81@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> I'm the last of the Boonton Radio production techs/engineers until bought out by HP. Here's some critical info on your 160A- Built from 1939 to 1952, replaced by the 260A. The Multipy Q meter is driven by a thermocouple; 1/2 amp of RF is injected into the thermocouple and terminated with a 0.04 ohm resistor. The result is 20mV at the LO post when the XQ meter is at X1. It's a delicate thermocouple- check for the 20mV at X1 to confirm that it's OK. To test the Q-tube: actually it's a very special 2A6, but a 2A6 will give you terrible results. The tubes used in the 160 were actually rejects >from the 260A production line, the 160 specs being much wider. I've got some in my basement. The test- inject 4VRMS at 100KHz (freq not critical) across the Gnd and HI posts- the Q meter should read a Q of 200. If not, there is a pot on top of the chassis to adjust this. That's the entire test for the Q circuit. The oscillator tube is an off-the-shelf 45; the only limitation is the output level on the highest freqs. The B+ on the Q tube should be around 258V At one point I solid-stated the Q-tube while in production engineering; it was no more than a FET, 3 or 4 resistors, and 2 caps. It never went into use because we were supposed to cease product support for these products in lieu of selling newer models. I will try to find my documentation on the FET design- it was very simple- a 2 resistor B+ divider (to 20v?)with cap. spike protection, and one or two series resistors in the FET "cathode". The FET(2N5245)was wired exactly as a triode and performed far better than the tube. Pete O. AI2V Article: 322915 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127310628.782321.221390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Message-ID: <7_eYe.1511$wR4.289869@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:28:03 GMT The courts have ruled that no permission is needed to produce parody lyrics, only to use the tune/arrangement. "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1127310628.782321.221390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > 1. If you incorporate a copyrighted item into a design, written work, > picture or similar and wish to copyright the entirety, you must get > permission to incorporate that item. Hence "Used by permission" seen in > footnotes and/or frontispieces. The original copyright holder, however, > would retain full rights over their property including the right to > give permission to other users for the same use as was given to you. > > 2. If you use an image or writing that is in the Public Domain (The > Mona Lisa for example), then to the extent that you make alterations > and changes, you may copyright. But, there are quite stringent > limitations on this. For instance, if you simply put a moustache on the > Mona Lisa, you would not get a copyright, no matter how artful and > Dali-esque that moustache might be. However, if you take that image or > writing and enhance it or change it such that it could not be taken for > the original or a copy of the original when placed side-by-side, THAT > would likely get you a copyright. > > International laws will vary. Many countries are far more restrictive > than the US, many could care less. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 322916 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Matt The Cat" References: Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:37:05 GMT Steven, That was a fantastic explanation of early television. Thanks for responding to my question, BUT do you have any sources for old Westinghouse radios? I have never seen any models of this type on anyone's site or in any historical context. You did clear up that this radio is possibly from 1936, but I'd like to find more data on it. Any suggestions? I love this radio and it has been with me for a long time. I have no intentions of ever selling it. I will pass it down to the next generation along with my Victrola and Technics 1200 turntable. Thanks, Matt "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:n49Ye.1488$wR4.286820@monger.newsread.com... > "Matt The Cat" wrote in message > news:Zq7Ye.2794$Az1.2730@trnddc07... >> I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY >> information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great >> condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My >> grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's true since > it >> says that it's "Equipped For Television". >> >> Does anyone know of a Westinghouse radio resource? Any help would be >> most >> appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Matt > > By that they were referring to experimental television, at which time the > sound may have been amplitude, not frequency modulated (and before you > become skeptical, not the the British had already adopted this scheme IIRC > with System A, 305 lines, which ran into the 1980s untouched before being > eliminated) and the sets would've been able to amplify the sound IF just > like a radio signal. Some RCAs employed this scheme, and one or two TV > sets > actually used it, with no audio of their own (one RCA is famous that > didn't > have an audio section just like that). > > For a thorough history of television from embryonic ideas to mechanical > images and hints of oddities that make DVDs a deju vu experience, do visit > the Early Television Foundation www.earlytelevision.org and while you are > at > it try http://www.mztv.com/ The Museum of Television. in Toronto's > website, > which is also a big treat and I wish I could see the real thing... > > Another treat or two: > http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/front/features/996/mclean.html and > http://www.tvhistory.tv/ > > So your grandmother was right but by the time it could have been used, it > was too late. Do enjoy a wonderful piece of history, and pass it on down > to > the next genertion when you are though! > > Article: 322917 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil (J. B. Wood) Subject: Re: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: In article , "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote: > Post it on the binaries. I believe Ken Gooding is very familiar with either > model. > > "J. B. Wood" wrote in message > news:wood-2109050732340001@jbw-mac.itd.nrl.navy.mil... > > Hello, all. I found what I've identified as the subject AM 4-tube radio > > recently in my parent's attic. It is a small radio housed in a white > > metal cabinet with a red grill cloth and red knobs. It has a straight > > wire antenna in lieu of the usual fiberboard-mounted loop. I was > > wondering if this radio internally is identical to the Arvin 440-T. > > Thanks for your time and comment. Sincerely, > > > > John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil > > Naval Research Laboratory > > 4555 Overlook Avenue, SW > > Washington, DC 20375-5337 Hello, and thanks for replying. My newsserver doesn't carry the associated binaries group but the subject radio may be seen at http://tri.net/~rrogers/radio/boys/sil1.jpg Sincerely, John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory 4555 Overlook Avenue, SW Washington, DC 20375-5337 Article: 322918 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Cap deciphering question References: <1127314787.476268.56170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:20:08 -0400 Looks like the Working Voltage is 244V. Ken frenchy wrote: > Is there somewhere that would tell me how to decipher a ceramic disc > cap that says "10000 WV 244". I'm know it's a .01 (10000 pf) and that > the rating it's supposed to have in the paperwork is 500 volts, but I > want to make sure I know how to decipher any other similar caps in this > set with slightly diff. numbers. How are the the WV and 244 > interpreted? thanks!....Frenchy > Article: 322919 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:08:44 +0200 Message-ID: <5a3c3a7f9843bba719ed6d3881dee960@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127302743.185584.219770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> It's not a good idea to change the metering resistors. They were selected for 20mV on the LO post at a X1 meter reading. The Q measurement technique in the Boonton Q meters was all the same: Q= ratio of energy applied to enery stored. With the voltmeter circuit adjusted properly (inject 2VRMS/100KHz across HI/GND, adjust Q meter for 200) and the 20mV injection voltage, you will now read Q as per the designed function. The 160 develops this 20mV by injecting 1/2 amp of RF thru the thermocouple and across a 40milliohm resistor. The 260 uses 1 ampRF across a 20 milliohm (when hot)platinum disc resistor. If you are adjusting/calibrating by using any of the 103A series of coils, it ain't gonna work. Those Q numbers were VERY ballpark-ish. If you are using the 518A Q standards and have a set, use the A4 coil at 150KHz- that is the most reliable and repeatable point in the 160's or 260's. The 513A will show low Q at 1MHz if the "Q-Tube" (1659) is bad.(When these tubes were bad, they were sold for use as the lesser grade 160A tubes. Hi Q readings at 45MHz in the 260 are strictly crappy thermocouple resistors- many (with metering pots)were shipped defective in the later support years. For those with 170 or 190 Q Meters, the LO post voltage is 10 mv for X1, and 3 V applied HI/GND for Q=300. Always available, Pete O. AI2V, last production tech and engineer for Boonton Radio. Article: 322920 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Message-ID: <%zgYe.47087$Wo4.490504@weber.videotron.net> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:16:41 -0400 "J. B. Wood" a écrit > > Hello, and thanks for replying. My newsserver doesn't carry the > associated binaries group but the subject radio may be seen at > > http://tri.net/~rrogers/radio/boys/sil1.jpg Silvertone Model 1. Schematic can be found here: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/370/T0000370.htm Syl Article: 322921 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Tektronix 535 scope From: Larry References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:04:00 -0400 "Jon" wrote in news:e2bYe.77176$PM3.65664@twister.nyroc.rr.com: > Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came > from IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch > where the power switch should be). Besides the controls needing > cleaning, there are problems with the intensity control supply, and a > few cracked molded paper caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out > of there - at least in the critical circuits - and then replace the > 'lytics. Things look pretty tight in this scope - has anyone does this > without going mad? > > In the high voltage power supply, where the "flyback transformer" is located, look for any disc ceramic capacitors. Some of these will have a safety spark gap, a little slot cut into the top of the cap that will arc above X volts in a surge. These slots in all that dust get "shorted" out and the high voltage goes to hell, causing intensity problems on a good tube, of course. Brush out any dust you might see on them, then clean the gap with alcohol, flushing it finally to get any residue out. The gap cleaned, the leakage gone, the supply will probably come alive unless the transformer is hosed. 535 is a nice old scope for its day. MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT SOLDER ANY CONNECTIONS IN THE LITTLE CERAMIC SOLDER STRIPS WITHOUT USING SILVER SOLDER! You'll ruin them with normal soldering. Look in the manual for soldering instructions. They are quite fragile, but excellent insulators. -- Larry Article: 322922 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:57:09 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Cap deciphering question References: <1127314787.476268.56170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127327535.107625.260870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <47f00$4331bb18$4232bd31$16170@COQUI.NET> nesesu wrote: > smaller caps had various markings even for value. For example a 100pF > could be marked 100 OR 101 [10+1 zero] and a 10pF could be marked 10 or > 100 [10+ no zero] so one needed to get fresh stock, not pick through > the junk box!! One usually needed to consult the part drawing for > voltage but at least most of that vintage were NPO. > > Neil S. > I've seen 100pf marked both as 100 or 101 but I've yet to see a "two-digit" value like 47 marked as 470. I see that in parts number listings but never have seen it on an actual component. Do they really do that? -Bill Article: 322923 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:02:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127325125.976285.288330@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> The tube types 105A, 102A, 535A, etc. as well as thermocouple 165A (160A) or 565A (260A) were merely Boonton generated part numbers. I suppose it was mainly as a "buy only from us" technique, but sometimes the tubes WERE actually selected. Most tubes were hand stamped right out of the box. At one point around 1967, all the stamps and red/yellow paint were trashed and "selection" ended. -Pete O. AI2V From adouglasatgis.net Thu Sep 22 00:05:22 EDT 2005 Article: 322924 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:37:47 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <57e88449c7fe696c0f9973e8d8416c81@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-299.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:322924 Hi, >I'm the last of the Boonton Radio production techs/engineers until bought >out by HP. Wow, thanks for the information. I've never found anyone who actually worked at Boonton, though I'm in touch with C.J. Franks' daughter who owns his original prototype Q meter. I understood that the 2A6s were selected (by RCA) for low grid current. At some point, before the 1950s I would think, RCA must have stopped producing 2A6s, and might have continued to select from stored product. I gather from what you wrote, that a new tube was specified for the 260A model: did RCA make those too? I haven't had much experience with the 260A. My own Q meter is a 260A clone made by Triumph, apparently under an Air Force contract and using Boonton parts. I've never had occasion to look inside since it has always worked fine. Who designed the H-P replacement model? How long did the Boonton operation continue after H-P took over? 73, Alan Article: 322925 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <%zgYe.47087$Wo4.490504@weber.videotron.net> Subject: Re: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:55:08 GMT Ah, not the model I was thinking of but thank you Syl for the quick ID. It's a nice looking set. "Syl" wrote in message news:%zgYe.47087$Wo4.490504@weber.videotron.net... > "J. B. Wood" a écrit > > > > Hello, and thanks for replying. My newsserver doesn't carry the > > associated binaries group but the subject radio may be seen at > > > > http://tri.net/~rrogers/radio/boys/sil1.jpg > > Silvertone Model 1. > > Schematic can be found here: > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/370/T0000370.htm > > Syl > > Article: 322926 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:01:29 GMT Another source of good information would be WA2ISE and others at Audiokarma.org's Antique radio and television forums. Registration is required of course, but there are many good souls there as well always willing to help. "Matt The Cat" wrote in message news:B6fYe.17745$zG1.9640@trnddc05... > Steven, > > That was a fantastic explanation of early television. Thanks for responding > to my question, BUT do you have any sources for old Westinghouse radios? I > have never seen any models of this type on anyone's site or in any > historical context. You did clear up that this radio is possibly from 1936, > but I'd like to find more data on it. Any suggestions? > > I love this radio and it has been with me for a long time. I have no > intentions of ever selling it. I will pass it down to the next generation > along with my Victrola and Technics 1200 turntable. > > Thanks, > Matt > > > "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message > news:n49Ye.1488$wR4.286820@monger.newsread.com... > > "Matt The Cat" wrote in message > > news:Zq7Ye.2794$Az1.2730@trnddc07... > >> I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY > >> information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great > >> condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My > >> grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's true since > > it > >> says that it's "Equipped For Television". > >> > >> Does anyone know of a Westinghouse radio resource? Any help would be > >> most > >> appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Matt > > > > By that they were referring to experimental television, at which time the > > sound may have been amplitude, not frequency modulated (and before you > > become skeptical, not the the British had already adopted this scheme IIRC > > with System A, 305 lines, which ran into the 1980s untouched before being > > eliminated) and the sets would've been able to amplify the sound IF just > > like a radio signal. Some RCAs employed this scheme, and one or two TV > > sets > > actually used it, with no audio of their own (one RCA is famous that > > didn't > > have an audio section just like that). > > > > For a thorough history of television from embryonic ideas to mechanical > > images and hints of oddities that make DVDs a deju vu experience, do visit > > the Early Television Foundation www.earlytelevision.org and while you are > > at > > it try http://www.mztv.com/ The Museum of Television. in Toronto's > > website, > > which is also a big treat and I wish I could see the real thing... > > > > Another treat or two: > > http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/front/features/996/mclean.html and > > http://www.tvhistory.tv/ > > > > So your grandmother was right but by the time it could have been used, it > > was too late. Do enjoy a wonderful piece of history, and pass it on down > > to > > the next genertion when you are though! > > > > > > Article: 322927 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4331CB3F.AC79A440@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Cap deciphering question References: <1127314787.476268.56170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127327535.107625.260870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <47f00$4331bb18$4232bd31$16170@COQUI.NET> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:05:09 GMT Bill wrote: > > nesesu wrote: > > > smaller caps had various markings even for value. For example a 100pF > > could be marked 100 OR 101 [10+1 zero] and a 10pF could be marked 10 or > > 100 [10+ no zero] so one needed to get fresh stock, not pick through > > the junk box!! One usually needed to consult the part drawing for > > voltage but at least most of that vintage were NPO. > > > > Neil S. > > > > I've seen 100pf marked both as 100 or 101 but I've yet to see a > "two-digit" value like 47 marked as 470. I see that in parts number > listings but never have seen it on an actual component. Do they really > do that? > > -Bill Yes, asian manufacturers have used that system for a long time. I have bags of surplus low voltage asian disc caps that are marked that way, but who uses lots of 50 VDC disc caps these days? -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 322928 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:19:45 -0400 Can you find a model number anywhere? Ken Matt The Cat wrote: > I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY > information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great > condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My > grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's true since it > says that it's "Equipped For Television". > > Does anyone know of a Westinghouse radio resource? Any help would be most > appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Matt > > Article: 322929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:08:18 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Cap deciphering question References: <1127314787.476268.56170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127327535.107625.260870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <47f00$4331bb18$4232bd31$16170@COQUI.NET> <4331CB3F.AC79A440@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <75fce$4331d9d4$4232bd31$9689@COQUI.NET> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >>I've seen 100pf marked both as 100 or 101 but I've yet to see a >>"two-digit" value like 47 marked as 470. I see that in parts number >>listings but never have seen it on an actual component. Do they really >>do that? >> >>-Bill > > > > Yes, asian manufacturers have used that system for a long time. I > have bags of surplus low voltage asian disc caps that are marked that > way, but who uses lots of 50 VDC disc caps these days? Would you be willing to part with (cheep) some of those under-100pf caps? I have plenty of use for some. -Bill Article: 322930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1126755891.895725.208660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1126784059.723336.226950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1126787217.270901.305780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127272336.775040.157340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sylvania update Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:08:06 GMT Reception is much better in this house than the auction barn, thank goodness, but tuning is still a bit messy and you have to fiddle a bit on FM. It does have AFC. The plastic covering on the sides (not woodgrain) is a little fragile (it's a sorta brown, freckled kind of thing). It's the logical, nice, bland looking plastic box that evolved from the wooden table/mantel sets of the early 50's, like the Wards set I have, only it really sounds great. One doesn't expect that from a US set of that time (at least I don't but I might be wrong). Tuning is certainly touchy and cuts out and in by manipulation, then out again. I may have to repair or replace the switch. But this one is worth it. "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:f88Ye.1487$wR4.286709@monger.newsread.com... > ON TOPIC > > Terry I bought the H472W at the auction tonight, along with a Sylvania AM-FM > table set with the interim Sylvania logo (a telephone and Roman sans-serif > font instead of the GTE logo). The Circle of Sound will need some switches > cared for and one segment of the third digit is bad. I wonder if that > display is segmented or what board could replace the LEDs. The Sylvania will > need some real TLC but was such a nice sounding SS radio that it and a > recent Realistic (tunes to 1700) should soon be on the road to wellness and > become sombodies gift for the season. Anyone I could show the Zenith to last > night was impressed by the sheer amount of good sound and loud volume that > it can produce. Shoud I brag about some prices? Oh, it's expected of me I'd > reckon so... > > Zenith : $1 > Sylvania: $4 > Blonder-Tongue amp (switchable VHF or all and available FM trap, needed for > my extended network): $2 > late 90s Zenith VHS Hi-Fi and PhilipsMagnavox Hi-Fi: $7.50 each (remotes > included) > NICE oak finish moderns audio/video cabinet (casters included, even better > shape than the last one): $10 > > non radio but NICE also: > > assortment of long stemmed glasses, some with gold trimmings, for parents' > anniversary in Feb: $2 for two different patterns > Two chairs to fix for my one of my tables: $2 > mamiya/sekor (1:2 lens) "De Luxe" with case: $5 (priceless if you ask me) > > AND THE BIGGIE..... > > Hamilton Beach No. 51 Milkshake machine (cloth cord, will get its taill cut > off and a white ext. cord carefully attached to carefully check it out, > although I'd like to find the correct, SAFE cord before I give it away): > $ONLY ONE DOLLAR > > No tubes this week, and no bicycle : ( just 67.10 WELL SPENT on my new home > and the holidaze. > > Article: 322931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127251553.999180.187390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127335681.489558.236420@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: I hate that old rubber-insulated wiring! Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:24:49 GMT Yep. It's like asking Nostradamus to tell you things that would happen to your set in 70 years. It was TOTL stuff then, and you have to deal with it because plastics like we have now probably weren't even a gleam in the inventor's mother's eye... "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1127335681.489558.236420@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Larry: > > The UL is a testing agency and not even a little bit prescriptive. They > test what the manufacturers give them and if it passes the tests it > gets the label. From these tests, they then derive standards for other > manufacturers to meet. But, and once again, they are results-based, not > specification-based. > > Careful with the mud you sling. There are a good many apt analogies for > technology leading to unanticipated results. On the Civil Engineering > end, SaraBond is an excellent example. For those of you old enough, > Thalidomide was considered a miracle drug to reduce or prevent morning > sickness. Even "Heroin" got its name because it was considered a > miracle pain-killer for a brief period. Aspirin would never get past > the FDA today were it a new drug, but its uses and efficacy is so well > known that it continues to be available (and Thalidomide IS coming back > BTW, but not for its original use A recent quote: Currently > thalidomide makes an astonishing comeback. Once banned for its > teratogenic side effects the drug is now used successfully for treating > cancer, HIV and leprosis. Newspaper article by Klaus Koch, published in > "Die Woche", 1996-04-12.). > > Rubber coated wire was, in its day, a boon to manufacturers. Easy to > strip, easy to work, cheap to make, and when intact well insulated. > That it was attacked by ozone may have been known, but what was NOT > known was the actual amount of environmental ozone and how much it > would increase in subsequent years. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 322932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info Message-ID: <6flYe.1552$wR4.295042@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:35:46 GMT Yes, Matt, is there anything stamped in the chassis at least, something next to the patent information label about all those RCA patents and such? Westinghouse happened to help created RCA if I'm not mistaken out of WW I concerns about vital technologies being concentrated in foreign lands that could turn hostile and use the US radio technologies against us blah blah : ) I'll bet they would've possibly shared this chassis with RCA Victor as it would be spendy to build a small niche item on their own resources if one already existed at a "partner" (long since broken up but I'm sure a friendly relationship was there somewhere). Radiowise they had a lot of the patents listed on those sets and TV-wise nobody wanted to spend a fortune on color TV when nobody was gung-ho so they licensed--you guessed it-RCA Victor designs. "Ken" wrote in message news:S7kYe.16452$nq.3529@lakeread05... > Can you find a model number anywhere? Ken > > Matt The Cat wrote: > > > I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY > > information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great > > condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My > > grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's true since it > > says that it's "Equipped For Television". > > > > Does anyone know of a Westinghouse radio resource? Any help would be most > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Matt > > > > > Article: 322933 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: Radio interfrence from ........ Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:05:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1127236099.415141.89890@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Raymond Koonce wrote: > That's it. I didn't pay that much, though, only about $6. > > Peter Wieck wrote: > > http://www.acehardware.com/sm-lemra-products-the-button--pi-1379643.ht ml > > I hope that "Note: Shipping restrictions may apply. " is valid for any customers: Depending of the sort of spiral-wound filament of a bulb the filament (and the light) will flicker if sourced through a diode. A bulb with half the wattage will save more without the "energy saver". I prefer the fluorescent lamps with electronic "ballast". Kind Regards, Georg Article: 322934 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: Subject: Re: Temp. tube equivalent question Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:17:39 GMT Syl wrote: >> Would a 6B8 work as a 6DC8 (EBF89) in a IF stage? > Specs are similar, enough for testing purpose, but you will have > to build an adapter, one is novar the other is octal. > > I wish I could help. Thanks, confirmation is well accepted, i need just some minutes to test the IF stage, actually i'd like to put a more common EF89 and a couple of diodes but i'm not sure to be able to keep it a great performer... (one ended ebay auction of the same model i'm working on: 5805588145). -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 322935 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: <4330a60a$0$1287$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> Subject: Re: Temp. tube equivalent question Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:17:42 GMT Martin Crossley wrote: >> Would a 6B8 work as a 6DC8 (EBF89) in a IF stage? > It'll probably work electrically, but won't fit because it's an > octal... and an adaptor would be ugly and hard to make with a B9A base > and might cause instability.. I know the difference and making a temp. adaptor would be a solution for testing only, but i agree about instability i only hope it will not give troubles just for few minutes, i was wondering about to having find a way to use those 40 6B8G sleeping here. > The 6N8/EBF80 is pin-compatible, and an ECH81/6AJ8, > despite being a triode-hexode, might also work just plugged > straight in, depending on whether both diodes are used in your set. EBFxx are less common than ECFxx, i've some ECF from dismantled chassis, they were commonly used with the EF89 and i can find them easily.. EBF were not so commonly used, don't know why, may be the price? who knows.. > Other possibilities are EF85, EF89,EF183 plus a pair of > semiconductor diodes and minor rewiring of the valveholder. > Martin. That's interesting, i was thinking about it last week, replace the EBF89 with EF89 (the pentode section should be the same) and add two SS diodes. Frankenstein? Nein, this receiver uses also two other OA79.. I've never tried this kind of work and sincerely this is not the exact receiver where i would do experiments.. every kind of help is well appreciated. Seems a work for Robert Casey, i remember a thread about diodes some months ago (last year?). Part of the schematic: http://www.tuberadio.it/jpg/g1522c.gif ...and now i'm asking myself if it's arrived the time for a couple of 1N3134 from that roll of 5000 pcs... (someone need some?) -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 322936 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Tim Mullen: please contact me Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <432e3839$0$167$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> In <432e3839$0$167$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> CalBubba writes: >Hey, Tim, >My post to you came back twice. Please get ahold of me from a real, true >email address. Cal, You can always reach me at the address I post from: tim@panix.com GothicDigital.com, my home machine, is *still* offline due to #%$^&/!!@ Verizon, although I got word from Covad earlier this evening that the line's been re-provisioned. So maybe when I get home tonight and reboot the modem all will be well. Anyways, shoot me a line. Sorry I didn't see this post 'til now. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 322937 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Radio interfrence from ........ Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1127236099.415141.89890@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> writes: >A bulb with half the wattage will save more without >the "energy saver". The other thing these are good for is bulb life. My medicine cabinet has two outrigger milkglass cylinders that slip over 12" showcase incadescent bulbs. Showcase bulbs don't have the most robust filaments, what with being all long and wiggly, so when you closed the mirrored door, boom, you just bought another rather expensive lightbulb. Might be why I've never seen another cabinet like this one. :) Dropped a pair of those diode disks in the sockets, went up to 75W lamps, and now I get reasonable life out of them. Also in the bathroom is a 1906 Emerson fernleaf ceiling fan with a 4-light electrolier. I was worried about vibration making short work of those bulbs, so I installed a central diode in that case rather than the disks -- they're a skootch when the sockets are downward pointing, anyway. >I prefer the fluorescent lamps >with electronic "ballast". Still just don't like the light these give off. The phosphors have certainly gotten much better, but they're not as beautiful a light as halogens. Where this doesn't matter I use these, too. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 322938 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: West German RCA 67QR77M am/sw radio Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> writes: >When you go to save the pix, adjust the setting for quality >(compression)...you can get away with a large reduction in this case and not >really affect viewability. JPEG's are supposed to be lossless or whatever >the word is so it doesn't matter a lot here. Jpeg's are lossy. That's why they give you a choice for compression level. If the algorithm was lossless everyone would always use maximum compression. Why in the world would anybody ask for a larger file? Just for fun? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 322939 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: West German RCA 67QR77M am/sw radio Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:00:24 GMT I've never really butchered one too much, it's always the processing beforehand. "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:dgt5rk$2dj$2@reader1.panix.com... > In "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> writes: > > >When you go to save the pix, adjust the setting for quality > >(compression)...you can get away with a large reduction in this case and not > >really affect viewability. JPEG's are supposed to be lossless or whatever > >the word is so it doesn't matter a lot here. > > Jpeg's are lossy. That's why they give you a choice for > compression level. If the algorithm was lossless everyone > would always use maximum compression. Why in the world would > anybody ask for a larger file? Just for fun? > > -- > Tim Mullen > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. > ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 322940 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: ? Fluke 8600A service manual Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1127175483.225767.7310@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In Alan Douglas writes: > I actually did see a competitor's ad reading "It's no Fluke." Heh. Not sure that's the best angle to advertise. :) Rank-Cintel named their HDTV telecine the C-Reality, "C" for the speed of light, I've heard. Thomson, who's Spirit (originally designed by Philips and Kodak) has been eating Rank's lunch (and breakfast and dinner) ran an ad showing a picture of a Spirit with the banner "See Reality". Oof. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 322941 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Help needed ID'ing a Majestic Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:59:53 -0600 Message-ID: <21565-43321E29-143@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: It has capacitors in it . Article: 322942 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In Jeffrey D Angus writes: >I was in a gas station the other day relieving myself of any >extra $20 bills for gasoline and I noticed something about >product placement. >On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, >fuct tape and condoms. And you find this odd? :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 322943 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:17:10 GMT "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:dgt7hv$313$2@reader1.panix.com... > In Jeffrey D Angus writes: > > >I was in a gas station the other day relieving myself of any > >extra $20 bills for gasoline and I noticed something about > >product placement. > > >On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, > >fuct tape and condoms. > > And you find this odd? :) > > -- > Tim Mullen > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. > ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Nope. Just funny. Article: 322944 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:46:28 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. References: Message-ID: <42d8e$43322917$4232be05$7248@COQUI.NET> Tim Mullen wrote: >>On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, >>fuct tape and condoms. > > > And you find this odd? :) If you in Manhattan see Jeff's finding in Metro LA as odd (and you don't) you can imagine how the rest of the country sees it. We're FUCT! -ex Article: 322945 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <42d8e$43322917$4232be05$7248@COQUI.NET> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 03:54:06 GMT "Bill" wrote in message news:42d8e$43322917$4232be05$7248@COQUI.NET... > Tim Mullen wrote: > > > >>On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, > >>fuct tape and condoms. > > > > > > And you find this odd? :) > > If you in Manhattan see Jeff's finding in Metro LA as odd (and you > don't) you can imagine how the rest of the country sees it. > We're FUCT! > > -ex I just wondered if the boxcutters were sold near LAX...the rest I just attribute to the good life in the land of LA... Article: 322946 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <42d8e$43322917$4232be05$7248@COQUI.NET> In <42d8e$43322917$4232be05$7248@COQUI.NET> Bill writes: >If you in Manhattan see Jeff's finding in Metro LA as odd (and you >don't) you can imagine how the rest of the country sees it. >We're FUCT! Hey, I'm not condoning it -- a service station isn't the classiest place to buy party supplies. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 322947 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: Subject: Re: Driving me nuts - Solved! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:26:14 GMT "Rune" wrote in message news:HM_We.35128$%w.16133@twister.nyc.rr.com... > This came closest to being the problem but with a couple of bizarre > twists. > > Yes, it did turn out to be the circuit common to chassis cap - but not > because of a wrong value or other defect. > > After running out of things to try I exchanged the one part that wasn't > reacting when moved or touched with another new one. No joy. > > Then, just for the hell of it and because of a feeling, I dug an odd NOS > Elmenco dipped cap I had out of the misc. bin and put it in. > > Bingo! > > It appears that a modern polyester cap, combined with the particular > location at the RF Amp and Oscillator area, was causing the trouble. > Putting an older style cap there made it happy again. Congrats! I hate the dogs but finding and fixing them makes one feel GRRRREAT! If not too late please post a picture on the Binaries. If you don't mind I'd lie to put that one on my web site (with credit to you of course). PP. ppinyot.com Article: 322948 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Smith" Subject: Please look at this Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:04:10 +1200 Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6562202594&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D6562202594%26fvi%3D1 Friend down here made this and it took him many many hours It sounds as good as it looks. John in NZ Article: 322949 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Please look at this Message-ID: <8brYe.1570$wR4.298300@monger.newsread.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 05:21:08 GMT Yes, it's very intricate and neat. Put the friend on the phone and let him talk about it though, lest it just end up another eBay strafing. "John Smith" wrote in message news:dgte15$ar1$1@lust.ihug.co.nz... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6562202594&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D6562202594%26fvi%3D1 > > > > Friend down here made this and it took him many many hours > > It sounds as good as it looks. > John in NZ > > > > Article: 322950 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1126755891.895725.208660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1126784059.723336.226950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1126787217.270901.305780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127272336.775040.157340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127364540.916107.267230@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sylvania update Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 05:17:26 GMT All I can figure about it so far is that is is one on four to six? models in a family starting with BT 44 as a base model? Why is it Joe Blow thinks everything that exists is archived on the internet? That would be a tremendous lie, especially with the stuff I tend to find. One reference in German and not even a Sam's reference. Maybe in Audiokarma or maybe just Sylvania (the odds of that)? later... Article: 322951 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Please look at this Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:02:17 +1200 Message-ID: References: <8brYe.1570$wR4.298300@monger.newsread.com> No worries I have been on Ebay since 1996 and never promoted one item I have ever sold on a newsgroup. Just had to show other the beauty of his work. He made almost everything you see No vested interest apart from sharing the quality of his workmanship JOHN "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:8brYe.1570$wR4.298300@monger.newsread.com... > Yes, it's very intricate and neat. Put the friend on the phone and let him > talk about it though, lest it just end up another eBay strafing. > > "John Smith" wrote in message > news:dgte15$ar1$1@lust.ihug.co.nz... >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6562202594&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D6562202594%26fvi%3D1 >> >> >> >> Friend down here made this and it took him many many hours >> >> It sounds as good as it looks. >> John in NZ >> >> >> >> > > Article: 322952 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:44:41 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Please look at this References: <8brYe.1570$wR4.298300@monger.newsread.com> Message-ID: John Smith wrote: > No worries I have been on Ebay since 1996.... Yawn....Nine years of net savvy and you still respond to Dinius posts. I don't know who is the most fucked up, you or him. Article: 322953 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <8brYe.1570$wR4.298300@monger.newsread.com> Subject: Re: Please look at this Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:41:21 GMT Neither, ex. Almost 4am...up early? I'm busy packing to move in. More space is most welcome. We're not speculating at all on the remaining party. Get some sleep, I don't think you're going to get enough traffic tonight to matter much (a hunch only). "Bill" wrote in message news:c2df7$433252dc$4232be05$6818@COQUI.NET... > John Smith wrote: > > > No worries I have been on Ebay since 1996.... > > > Yawn....Nine years of net savvy and you still respond to Dinius posts. > I don't know who is the most fucked up, you or him. Article: 322954 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: Subject: Re: Help needed ID'ing a Majestic Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:27:38 GMT The pix never made it to my news server. Are they posted anywhere else? -- Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:rtt3j1d9970gkfesicioshl7km62kj8f0p@4ax.com... > Picture posted on the binaries group. I need to know what's in the > 'lytic box so I can replace them with new ones. > .... > Blacksmith > > > > ... > Radio Literature on disc. > 136 issues (11 years) of SERVICE magazines on CD or DVD. > 175 issues of RADIO RETAILING magazines on CD or DVD. > Very early NRI home-study radio courses on CD. > Mallory Encyclopedia on CD. > Record Changers & Recorders by Rider (1941) on CD. > Radio Troubleshooter's Handbook > -- renovatedradiosdotcom -- Article: 322955 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: Subject: Re: Tektronix 535 scope Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:32:49 GMT Yeah - I knew about the silver solder. I have a roll - plus there's still the intact sample inside the scope. Jon "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:JTcYe.6821$Cg.2843@tornado.socal.rr.com... > Before you do anything else....buy a small roll of 2% silver solder. > That beast uses notched ceramic terminal strips. Regular solder will > will degrade the connections on the strips enough to have them pull > away from the ceramic. > > Jeff > > Jon wrote: >> Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came >> from IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch >> where the power switch should be). Besides the controls needing cleaning, >> there are problems with the intensity control supply, and a few cracked >> molded paper caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out of there - at >> least in the critical circuits - and then replace the 'lytics. Things >> look pretty tight in this scope - has anyone does this without going mad? >> > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322956 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: <1WcYe.9190$i86.8709@trndny01> Subject: Re: Tektronix 535 scope Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:32:49 GMT I think I'll concentrate on just the split caps first, and the caps in the HV section. Jon "Mark Robinson" wrote in message news:1WcYe.9190$i86.8709@trndny01... > Hi Jon, > > One thing to keep in mind with these scopes. The components were mounted > on > ceramic terminal blocks with metalized contacts. Tek used, IIRC, 2% > silver > solder on all of these connections. While you can get a away with > standard > 60/40 or 63/37 solder, its not recommended (the terminals will fail after > repeated soldering. If you plan on a major re-cap, you should get hold of > some of this solder. Note that Tek used the highest grade components of > the > era, so you may not need to go through the whole scope as you would with a > consumer product. The choice is yours. > > Mark > > > "Jon" wrote in message > news:e2bYe.77176$PM3.65664@twister.nyroc.rr.com... >> Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came > from >> IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch where the >> power switch should be). Besides the controls needing cleaning, there are >> problems with the intensity control supply, and a few cracked molded >> paper >> caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out of there - at least in the >> critical circuits - and then replace the 'lytics. Things look pretty >> tight >> in this scope - has anyone does this without going mad? >> >> -- >> Jon Scaptura >> Endicott, NY >> >> See my antique radios here: >> http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios >> >> > > Article: 322957 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: Subject: Re: Tektronix 535 scope Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:32:49 GMT No ceramics in the HV supplies that I can see, but several paper caps. Jon "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns96D8999A9B28Dnoone@63.223.7.253... > "Jon" wrote in > news:e2bYe.77176$PM3.65664@twister.nyroc.rr.com: > >> Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came >> from IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch >> where the power switch should be). Besides the controls needing >> cleaning, there are problems with the intensity control supply, and a >> few cracked molded paper caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out >> of there - at least in the critical circuits - and then replace the >> 'lytics. Things look pretty tight in this scope - has anyone does this >> without going mad? >> >> > > In the high voltage power supply, where the "flyback transformer" is > located, look for any disc ceramic capacitors. Some of these will have a > safety spark gap, a little slot cut into the top of the cap that will arc > above X volts in a surge. These slots in all that dust get "shorted" out > and the high voltage goes to hell, causing intensity problems on a good > tube, of course. Brush out any dust you might see on them, then clean the > gap with alcohol, flushing it finally to get any residue out. The gap > cleaned, the leakage gone, the supply will probably come alive unless the > transformer is hosed. > > 535 is a nice old scope for its day. MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT SOLDER ANY > CONNECTIONS IN THE LITTLE CERAMIC SOLDER STRIPS WITHOUT USING SILVER > SOLDER! You'll ruin them with normal soldering. Look in the manual for > soldering instructions. They are quite fragile, but excellent insulators. > > -- > Larry Article: 322958 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil (J. B. Wood) Subject: Re: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:50:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <%zgYe.47087$Wo4.490504@weber.videotron.net> In article <%zgYe.47087$Wo4.490504@weber.videotron.net>, "Syl" wrote: > Silvertone Model 1. > > Schematic can be found here: > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/370/T0000370.htm > > Syl Wow, thanks Syl! That site is a motherlode. Wish they also had freebie schematics for a Blaupunkt Ballett and Halli S-38E (but I don't want to be greedy) Thanks again to all who replied to my original post. Sincerely, John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory 4555 Overlook Avenue, SW Washington, DC 20375-5337 Article: 322959 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Help needed ID'ing a Majestic From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:32:49 GMT In article , blacksmith1@wowway.com says... > > >Picture posted on the binaries group. I need to know what's in the >'lytic box so I can replace them with new ones. >.... >Blacksmith > Picture never showed up for me either.... whats the model number of the Majestic? John k9uwa Article: 322960 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127304608.588728.320860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp > > The story here of Happy Birthday. Note the "in public or for profit" > clauses. > > As to Churches, they pay the copyright fees when they purchase the > hymnal. Not when they sing the hymns. It ain't nohow as bad as all > that. Most hymns are public domain anyway except for the relatively > most recent (JB Bach's & Mendelssohn's copyrights have expired > long-since) . Now, if one records a protected hymn for publication, > then fees are required. Similarly to Happy Birthday. > > As to copyright extensions, that had very little to do with lobbying > and a great deal to do with authors living beyond their original > copyrights of typically about 56 years, and/or living members of their > families wishing copyright extensions. Just look into the history and > very bitter battles fought over this issue, with very surprising groups > on one side or the other. Intellectual property has typically had very > little respect in general. Imagine there being an arbitrary time limit > on the ownership of real property, or a requirement that such ownership > must terminate upon the death of the original owner... That was > more-or-less the argument that created the copyright extension laws > recently. Not true. I have looked back as far as I could research it, and until recently, the time between the creation of copyright and the time the work goes into the public domain has NEVER been arbitrary. It has always been for some definite fixed time period known in advance, which is more in line with what the founding fathers intended with their "reasonable time" verbage. Everyone who created works in the old days knew, or could know, just how long they had to profit from a given product of their labors. Given that the termination of copyright is now directly tied to the date of the author's death, it is now more "arbitrary" than any time in the past. Let's face it....The copyright laws are the way they are now because there are works out there that are so timeless that they are still immensely profitable decades after their creation, and the owners don't want to give any of that up. The last round of the copyright revisions were funded almost exclusively by the Walt Disney Company. There were some early images of Mickey Mouse that were about to fall into the public domain under the old system, so Disney's lobbyists greased the right palms and made it so they won't have to worry about this again until the 2030s. Undoubtedly when that time rolls around, they will be back in Washington, hat in hand, asking for yet another extension. I have long felt that if copyright owners want to use the power and resources of our government to secure the legal protection of their works, they should have to pay for the privilege. If I were making the rules: The first 50 years of copyright would be free of charge (50 years is a reasonable amount of time to profit from a work IMHO) Each additional year after that would require a payment of $1000.00 per year, or 1% of the gross income generated from the work, whichever is greater, in order to continue copyright protection. This would NOT be a huge burden to an owner who really wanted to keep a work out of the public domain, and would shake out a lot of the copyright naziism that is currently going on with respect to some works (I.E. certain OTR programs, for example) -Scott Article: 322961 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Help needed ID'ing a Majestic Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:32:38 GMT "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:rkl5j1dnp9fkpbo0cl9ctlv9omi8ke9i3b@4ax.com... >I guess some can't view the picture of the Majestic on the binaries. > Here's a link to it. > > www.renovatedradios.com/images/majestic.jpg > .... > Blacksmith > > > You may want to try looking at the schematic for the Dewald 615. The cabinet shape, dial, knob position, etc. seem to suggest this may be a sister to that model. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/243/M0004243.pdf jim menning Article: 322962 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Henry Kolesnik" References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <57e88449c7fe696c0f9973e8d8416c81@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:49:15 GMT Pete Please let us know where you post it . tnx -- 73 Hank WD5JFR "Pete_O" wrote in message news:bd03a69ec1ce9aab3b4436c7ce7f49b2@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > All of the tubes were made by RCA. Around 1967 the supply ran out, and RCA > agreed to make one final batch- these had blue ink on the bases instead of > the earlier red. I have no idea of the specs, but the 260 did require a > better grade tube than the 160A, 100A, or 110A. > > Boonton was bought out by HP in 1961; at this time the name changed to > Boonton Rado Co. rather than Boonton Radio Corp. Around 1968 all Boonton > designations were dropped and all products then carried the HP name. > > The 4342A Q Meter was originally a Boonton engineered product but final > design and manufacture went to Yokogawa Electric Division (YHP)in Japan. > At this time the BRC/rf engineering dept. was eliminated, as the division > was absorbed into the Harrison Labs power supply division. > > For those following these Boonton postings, I have found my original > documentation on the solid state module that replaced the 1659 "Q-tube". > 3 resistors, 2 caps, and a FET replace the tube and perform far better. > I'll be posting the schematic shortly. -Pete O. AI2V > Article: 322963 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: How much current is normal? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:01:39 GMT This might be a basic question for some . . . Just how much B+ current is normal for a car radio with push-pull output? I've got a 56 Plymouth signal seeker, Mopar 916HR. The two 12AB%'s were missing. I installed two of them, pulled the 12AX4 and vibrator and turned on the radio using a 250v B+ from an external supply. The voltage dropped way down, and the meter showed 150ma -- maxed out. Looking at the electrolytic I noticed someone else had "added" another filter underneath, but still had the originals wired in. So I proceeded to rewire the chassis so as to get some new filters to fit underneath. I also recapped the power unit. Once again I applied power. When I switched on the B+, the radio played fine, but the B+ was only 200v and -- you guessed it -- 150 ma, still maxed out. If I pull the 12AB5's, the current drain is minimal, so we're talking output stage. About the only components that haven't been switched are the transformer and a 330 ohm resistor. The resistor measures good. I pulled both tubes out and verified them good -- measure fine, no shorts or grid leaks. Any ideas? How much current drain is normal? Aside from maxing out the power supply, the radio now plays fine, but it seems the current is too much. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 322964 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: <11j640mbuipf27c@news.supernews.com> References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127304608.588728.320860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Here's a site that gives some of the history, and is well-written plus concise. Maxel tov! http://www.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/page_wrapper.cgi?forumid=17&page=/articles/lindeboom_ron/basics_of_copyrights_pt1/index.html#top -- "Stay strong. Be brave. Wait for the signs." Regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 322965 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1127419518.576126.96590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How much current is normal? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:18:36 GMT Sure enough, these two tubes are turned on hard. The grid voltages are 40 and 19, and if I remove the tubes entirely the grid pins go to 180 and about 90. There are indeed two coupling caps; I replaced them both and nothing's changed. I don't understand where the 180 comes from, as there is only supposed to be 90 on the other side of the cap! Time to start tracing wire by wire. What a mess! This same radio was packaged poorly, and both shafts are bent and broken off. By the time I add up all the parts and labor, he might as well give me the car! But -- gotta keep things affordable, so I'll be making far less than minimum wage on this one . . . -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "nesesu" wrote in message news:1127419518.576126.96590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Gary, I hate to ask this question, but have you checked the grid to > cathode voltage on the 12AB5s ?? Manual says it should be about 12.5V. > I agree that the current sounds way too high, and the tube manual > suggests 45mA per tube max. Since they are likely cathode biased, I > would expect the common cathode resistor to be about 130 ohms. A leaky > coupling cap from the driver tube(s) could cause this, although many > auto radios use a transformer to derive the push pull input to the > grids of the output tubes; check it for an open circuit winding. Did > you check the cathode bypass capacitor [if any] for shorting? > > Neil S. > Article: 322966 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1127419518.576126.96590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: The Verdict! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:46:20 GMT I found the culprit, and it's certainly one you won't see every day! In addition to the coupling caps, there are two resistors -- 470k and 560k, that go through yet another cap to the phase inverter. On one side is a wire that goes to a relay and a switch, related to the trigger of the signal seeker. The switch and relay effectively ground the grids, shutting off the audio while the radio is seeking out stations. The switch also grounds one side of the relay coil, activating it. The relay coil also is connected through a resistor to the plate of the trigger tube, which holds it active until it locates a station. When inactive the plate voltage can be measured on one side of the switch. The problem? The switch was bent, allowing the plate voltage to find its way to the grids of the output tubes. I bent the switch into place, and everything's fine. Of course I still have 5 or 6 caps to replace, and then repair the volume control (which is a bear to get to). THEN I get to check out the signal seeker! I still think he should give me the car . . . -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "nesesu" wrote in message news:1127419518.576126.96590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Gary, I hate to ask this question, but have you checked the grid to > cathode voltage on the 12AB5s ?? Manual says it should be about 12.5V. > I agree that the current sounds way too high, and the tube manual > suggests 45mA per tube max. Since they are likely cathode biased, I > would expect the common cathode resistor to be about 130 ohms. A leaky > coupling cap from the driver tube(s) could cause this, although many > auto radios use a transformer to derive the push pull input to the > grids of the output tubes; check it for an open circuit winding. Did > you check the cathode bypass capacitor [if any] for shorting? > > Neil S. > Article: 322967 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127304608.588728.320860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127420994.062672.33270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> In <1127420994.062672.33270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >but my point is that exactly what is the difference between >"intellectual" and "real" property other than one receives much greater >protection under the law than another? If you give away intellectual property, you still have it. This is not true with real property. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 322968 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:04:05 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Paging Dr. Sommerwerck Message-ID: Please contact me, thanks. -Bill M Article: 322969 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: It's happened again.... From: Larry References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247016.382771.103770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127427331.004910.316080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:07:07 -0400 "Eddie Brimer" wrote in news:1127427331.004910.316080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > i think it is much ado about nothing. > Not if you are being persued by big company lawyers on commission to win.... -- Larry Article: 322970 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127304608.588728.320860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127420994.062672.33270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127430504.771716.307960@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In <1127430504.771716.307960@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >Tim Mullen wrote: >> In <1127420994.062672.33270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >> >> >but my point is that exactly what is the difference between >> >"intellectual" and "real" property other than one receives much greater >> >protection under the law than another? >> >> If you give away intellectual property, you still have it. >> This is not true with real property. >Um... That is quite a pretzel. Not if you take a shot at deciphering my meaning, as you have admirably done so below. >How do you figure? One give away "copies". Not the property itself. Yes. That, of course, is what I meant. While writing "give away" I realized it was not exactly what I meant, but words had failed me at that moment and time is precious. Mea culpa. >If I "give away" the property >itself, then I no longer have the rights to it. They belong to the >entity that received them. Exactly like "real" property, as it happens. >I may own a house and "rent" its use, retaining rights of ownership. If >I give it away, I no longer have the rights of ownership. It's impossible to give away intellectual property such that you no longer have any rights to its use. If you sell any and all rights to a song you write, you can still go about humming along to the tune in your head, enjoying your intellectual property in much the same way as someone who bought your record would. In fact, as far as I know, you wouldn't be required to give up any recording you made of said song before you sold your intellectual property. There are many other examples where you retain personal use, i.e. knowledge, of intellectual property. You may be prevented >from profiting by making further copies of this intellectual property, but you still have the original. If you find a way to copy your house as easily as you can record a song, such that you can still live in, but may no longer sell, the original after having sold the copy, let me know. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 322971 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: The Verdict! References: <1127419518.576126.96590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:35:40 GMT Hat's off to Neil for his very astute observations Gary Tayman wrote: > I found the culprit, and it's certainly one you won't see every day! > > In addition to the coupling caps, there are two resistors -- 470k and 560k, > that go through yet another cap to the phase inverter. On one side is a > wire that goes to a relay and a switch, related to the trigger of the signal > seeker. The switch and relay effectively ground the grids, shutting off the > audio while the radio is seeking out stations. The switch also grounds one > side of the relay coil, activating it. The relay coil also is connected > through a resistor to the plate of the trigger tube, which holds it active > until it locates a station. When inactive the plate voltage can be measured > on one side of the switch. The problem? The switch was bent, allowing the > plate voltage to find its way to the grids of the output tubes. I bent the > switch into place, and everything's fine. > > Of course I still have 5 or 6 caps to replace, and then repair the volume > control (which is a bear to get to). THEN I get to check out the signal > seeker! I still think he should give me the car . . . > > Article: 322972 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:52:09 GMT "Tom Adkins" wrote in message news:tJudnWTlW5uSU6_eRVn-pQ@comcast.com... > Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > I was in a gas station the other day relieving myself of any > > extra $20 bills for gasoline and I noticed something about > > product placement. > > > > On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, > > fuct tape and condoms. > > > > Go figure. > > > > Jeff > > > All related products in one spot. What's odd about that? Never knew we were all so RACY ;-) Article: 322973 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Electronic Component Spare Parts .... Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <11j6ijdqejma909@news.supernews.com> References: <1127432542.329159.52790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Is this.... Spam...? I'm willing to bet it is.... Complete.... with effected style... Article: 322974 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:29:41 -0400 Message-ID: <11j6j4dpa4rpu32@news.supernews.com> References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127304608.588728.320860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127420994.062672.33270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1127420994.062672.33270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Oh, the bit about the "founding fathers".... Yikes... Copyright Law > pre-dates the US Constitution by a goodly while. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA Yep, first law recognizing ownership of intellectual property was the British "Statute of Eight Anne", in 1710. If the founding fathers were around then, they were still in short pants. -- "Stay strong. Be brave. Wait for the signs." Regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 322975 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Electronic Component Spare Parts .... From: Larry References: <1127432542.329159.52790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1127436872.635339.225490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:06:42 -0400 "Peter Wieck" wrote in news:1127436872.635339.225490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > Now, why would one wish to purchase "vintage" military caps? Certainly > not for use, especially sight-unseen. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > > One thing about Mouser, a supplier of NEW parts, not World War II in some junk room for 65 years, is that they will sell you ONE resistor, if you so order...no minimum, no funny business....http://www.mouser.com/ If you get the catalog once, plan on getting it for eternity...probably years after you're DEAD! I'm also quite impressed with another online company I'm ordering cable >from these days: http://www.onlinecomponents.com/ I'll be ordering many more things they sell directly from their webpages, myself. I order UPS ground to save a few Dinar and it shows up in 5-4 days! They must have my webpage up in the warehouse standing next to the UPS truck. They're in CA and I'm in SC! Belden cables are VERY reasonably priced....(c; -- Larry Article: 322976 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. From: Larry References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:07:50 -0400 "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in news:JsHYe.1623$wR4.305416@monger.newsread.com: > fuct tape and condoms Do these items go together some how??....(c; -- Larry Article: 322977 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: <8HIYe.1630$wR4.306361@monger.newsread.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 01:15:48 GMT "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns96D9D663AD35Bnoone@63.223.7.253... > "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in > news:JsHYe.1623$wR4.305416@monger.newsread.com: > > > fuct tape and condoms > > Do these items go together some how??....(c; Erm......I'll google it and see. Better ask one of those youngsters. They are solid state so you can ask them OT questions. Article: 322978 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "benjamaniac" Subject: B/W TV tubes Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:17:22 -0600 Message-ID: I just ended up with a half a truck load of B/W TV tubes. Took them to keep them from going to the dump. If anyone needs any of these types of tubes...let me know which ones you want/need and you can have them for the price of the shipping if I have them. Ben Article: 322979 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <8HIYe.1630$wR4.306361@monger.newsread.com> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 01:19:53 GMT This reminded me of the Hollywood saying, "Love thy neighbor then split and write a book." There were only 15 ft of that tape and we already heard from the "wrap" star so it's GONE. Article: 322980 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 01:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In Larry writes: >> fuct tape and condoms >Do these items go together some how??....(c; Yes. There's far better tapes to use than that sticky silver stuff, though. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 322981 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jm" References: <1127432542.329159.52790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1127436872.635339.225490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Electronic Component Spare Parts .... Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:51:27 -0400 "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns96D9D633BC9B1noone@63.223.7.253... > "Peter Wieck" wrote in > news:1127436872.635339.225490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > >> Now, why would one wish to purchase "vintage" military caps? Certainly >> not for use, especially sight-unseen. >> >> Peter Wieck >> Wyncote, PA >> >> > > One thing about Mouser, a supplier of NEW parts, not World War II in some > junk room for 65 years, is that they will sell you ONE resistor, if you so > order...no minimum, no funny business....http://www.mouser.com/ > If you get the catalog once, plan on getting it for eternity...probably > years after you're DEAD! > > I'm also quite impressed with another online company I'm ordering cable > from these days: > http://www.onlinecomponents.com/ > I'll be ordering many more things they sell directly from their webpages, > myself. I order UPS ground to save a few Dinar and it shows up in 5-4 > days! They must have my webpage up in the warehouse standing next to the > UPS truck. They're in CA and I'm in SC! > Belden cables are VERY reasonably priced....(c; > > -- > Larry Not sure if this poster was the same as one I replied to in the recent past - the ads were much the same. I asked for a price for a specific part and for quantity. I never did get a legitimate answer. I was as much in the air after their answer as I was before I asked. I mean - they didn't tell me that the part was say $5 each available in a quantity of ##........ minimum order of, shipping will be........ Honestly, I"m not quite sure now that I think back on it - just what the hell it was they DID tell me. How the hell they intend to do business when not quoting prices, shipping, etc... is beyond me. If the price was right on the item I was looking for, I'd have bought a dozen or more - OR whatever I could have gotten my hands on. Oh well................. jm Article: 322982 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Electronic Component Spare Parts .... Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <11j6p6fgkrb4a19@news.supernews.com> References: <1127432542.329159.52790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1127436872.635339.225490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns96D9D633BC9B1noone@63.223.7.253... > I'm also quite impressed with another online company I'm ordering cable > from these days: > http://www.onlinecomponents.com/ > I'll be ordering many more things they sell directly from their webpages, > myself. Doesn't look like they want Canadian business. Min order is US$100, while domestic min is $40 From adouglasatgis.net Wed Sep 28 23:54:49 EDT 2005 Article: 322983 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:12:05 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1qo6j1lsc7vp5gcuodmp19l9a05589s730@4ax.com> References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <57e88449c7fe696c0f9973e8d8416c81@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-563.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news4 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:322983 Hi, Do you know if the "other" Boonton (Boonton Electronics) was any relation at all? Started by a departing employee, maybe? I have a couple of their bridges too. How about the 250-A R-X meter? Any "tricks" to keeping it running properly or checking its calibration? 73, Alan Article: 322984 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: What's a Zizzer? Message-ID: <5CJYe.11277$0u2.2289350@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:18:40 -0400 OK, OK, I can get this. A Zizzer is a zither with piZaZZ? Article: 322985 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: B/W TV tubes Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:21:26 GMT "benjamaniac" wrote in message news:dgvl33$80m7$1@news3.infoave.net... > I just ended up with a half a truck load of B/W TV tubes. Took > them to > keep them from going to the dump. If anyone needs any of these types > of > tubes...let me know which ones you want/need and you can have them > for the > price of the shipping if I have them. > Ben > > Are you talking CRTs, or other tubes? jim menning Article: 322986 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Zenith Louis XV, wonder what it will bring? Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:42:30 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1127398433.746769.212130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mark Oppat wrote: > The last 15U273 I saw sold was at Arie Breed's huge auction back in '96 in > Iowa. It had original finish (Very nice) and was restored and working. > went for around $4500. It was one of the highest bid radios at that sale. There was one of these sold on ebay in average condition about four years ago (November 2001). It went for $4100.00 or so IIRC. The cabinet would not match many of today's decors, including mine, but if I saw one of these at a reasonable price somewhere I would snap it up in a heartbeat. A 15 tube shutterdial is impossible to resist. -Scott Article: 322987 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: It's happened again.... References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247016.382771.103770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127427331.004910.316080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 05:08:33 GMT Larry wrote: > "Eddie Brimer" wrote in > news:1127427331.004910.316080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > >>i think it is much ado about nothing. >> > > > Not if you are being persued by big company lawyers on commission to > win.... Speaking of which... I will be in federal court in two weeks dealing with exactly that issue. Motorola seems to think that repairing used radios and selling them as used repaired radios is counterfeiting and violation of copyright. "Film at eleven" as they say. I'll have a follow up on this in a few weeks. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322988 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "benjamaniac" Subject: Re: B/W TV tubes Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:53:35 -0600 Message-ID: References: "jim menning" wrote in message news:WwKYe.31538$mb4.16126@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "benjamaniac" wrote in message > news:dgvl33$80m7$1@news3.infoave.net... > > I just ended up with a half a truck load of B/W TV tubes. Took > > them to > > keep them from going to the dump. If anyone needs any of these types > > of > > tubes...let me know which ones you want/need and you can have them > > for the > > price of the shipping if I have them. > > Ben > > > > > > Are you talking CRTs, or other tubes? > > jim menning > > Other tubes Jim. There are a couple small CRT's, but I doubt if they are any good. Ben Article: 322989 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> Subject: Love the phone co. Message-ID: <%0NYe.1642$wR4.308841@monger.newsread.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:12:11 GMT I will shortly be on haitus only because even though I can get the phone switched in a heartbeat toa new address, they cannot just plug the DSL in the same way and it will be seven-eight daze. Go figure, but I'll be library bound only 3 daze a weak and 2 hours a day Tue/W/F is It unless I get more chances at webmail, on another computer (like borrowing a pickup to move, not impossible just silly)... If you had correspondence with me, do email and I will provide a phone number if need be. What phun but I'm going to have real FUN getting a house in gear. Article: 322990 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry" References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:37:11 -0230 "TerryJ" wrote in message news:4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com... > What is 'fuct tape'? Never seen it stocked around here.... > > Probably a slip of the finger; f is the letter 'next' to d on most > keyboards! Article: 322991 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Electronic Component Spare Parts .... Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:45:12 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1127432542.329159.52790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1127444333.711120.229590@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> rofl. i do too. "so how much you looking to pay for something like this?" 'nothing...' "ha ha. but seriously. how much are you offering" 'im not offering anything yet. how much do you want for it?' "well im trying to get an idea of what you want to pay" 'i want to pay nothing' etc.... randy >I just HATE it when they ask me what my target price is. Morons. It's > always ZERO. And I tell them that. > > Terry. > Article: 322992 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:35:26 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127304608.588728.320860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127420994.062672.33270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > When copyright laws were initiated, the length of the copyright was > taken _arbitrarily_ to approximate the expected remaining lifetime of > an author, and a little bit more. Hence the use of the term. That it > became more-or-less "fixed" from that point onwards does not make the > original term any less arbitrary a choice. > > "Real" property may be owned in perpetuity by the original owner, > his/her heirs and/or assigns. There is no "term" of ownership, > arbitrary or fixed. One may whine and bleat about Walt Disney and all > that, but my point is that exactly what is the difference between > "intellectual" and "real" property other than one receives much greater > protection under the law than another? Well, for one thing, Intellectual property is not taxed unless actual income is generated from it. Not so with Real property....you pay taxes on it regardless of whether or not you benefit from it at all! In a very real sense, no one actally "owns" their home anyway. (If you think I am wrong, try not paying your property taxes for a couple of years and watch how the ownership changes hands). For better or worse, it has been codified since the very earliest days of our nation that Patents and copyrights have a definite end time, and the creators and inventors do not have the right to exclusively profit >from their ideas in perpetuity. The idea was to give creators the ability to profit from their works while making them a part of a social contract of sorts that allows those works to be freely distributed after a time for the good of the public as a whole. However socialistic that may seem, it has ALWAYS been the law in the USA. Atricle 1, section 8, clause 8 of the U.S. Constitution sayeth: "(The Congress shall have Power) To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing FOR LIMITED TIMES to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries" > Imagine if someone were to move > into your house, rooting you out onto the street after say... 56 years > just because your "term of ownership" had expired? It happens every day, Peter.....It's called "renting" or "leasing". Under this arrangement, you are the "possessor" of the dwelling for a period of time, and then you are not when a higher authority says you are not. Similarly, when you invent or create something you are NOT the owner of that work...You are the "holder" of the patent or copyright for the work in question, and that gives you an exclusive license to litigate and negotiate regarding the use of that work for a given period of time as prescribed by law. > > That the Walt Disney Company and others collectively had deep enough > pockets to make that point successfully does not make that point any > less valid. In point of fact, they did every struggling (and rich) > artist, author, poet and photographer (and many more) a huge favor in > granting them and their families the benefit of their work for a much > greater length of time than before. I fail to see where this is a > problem. I see two problems with it: Very little of what you see is completely original. Most works are those which build on other, existing works. It is for this reason that copyrights and Patents will tend to stifle technological advancement and creativity rather than enhance it, if the periods granted to holders are too long. The other problem is more sociological. When copyright goes on for so long that children and grandchildren of the holders are allowed to benefit, then they are essentially gaining wealth without sacrifice. That in itself is not a problem, but in some cases it tends to foster an attitude that doesn't lend itself to creativity or contribution by the heirs. Why work hard to create something new, or build something, if you're sitting on a boatload of money that daddy's (or granddaddy's) creative juices made possible? Some of the best ideas out there are borne of necessity or hunger....Take those away and you have an environment where people aren't very creative. > Oh, the bit about the "founding fathers".... Yikes... Copyright Law > pre-dates the US Constitution by a goodly while. Oh, yes it does....never said otherwise. But, AFAIK, ours was the first nation that actually incorporated the notion of "limited time" copyrights and patents into the very foundation of our legal system, as the authors of the US constitution did. (Constitutional scholars, correct me if I'm wrong!) -Scott Article: 322993 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:08:09 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127304608.588728.320860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127420994.062672.33270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> >> Imagine if someone were to move >> into your house, rooting you out onto the street after say... 56 years >> just because your "term of ownership" had expired? > > It happens every day, Peter.....It's called "renting" or "leasing". Under > this arrangement, you are the "possessor" of the dwelling for a period of > time, and then you are not when a higher authority says you are not. i remember a while back there was some local uproar over people being 'kicked out of their houses'. the railroad company had leased some land to people for 99 years. for basically nothing. as i understand it part of the catch was that you had to live on the land, and the lease was only transferable to your relatives. i dont know much else about the details of the lease, although im sure it was completely clear about the 99 years. the 99 years was up. so even though the people and their families had gotten 99 years of virtually free use out of the land they honestly expected the railroad to just give it to them as some grand (read multi million dollar) gesture. as i understand it, in this particular instance, the people were offered first crack at their land for 'fair market value' but that wasnt good enough. while i agree it would have sucked, i didnt have much sympathy for them. maybe they should have read their leases and planned accordingly. and felt grateful for what they had for 99 years. i may have some of the details wrong, but i think you get the basic idea of what happened. randy Article: 322994 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "effi" Subject: Re: What's a Zizzer? Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 04:12:18 -0500 Message-ID: <11j7hnege5jib72@corp.supernews.com> References: <5CJYe.11277$0u2.2289350@news20.bellglobal.com> <08SdnR-YKbmOF67eRVn-qg@comcast.com> <1127465100.277836.96310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Steven" wrote in message news:1127465100.277836.96310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Your hand is soaking in it right now. Is it mild? Article: 322995 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <5CJYe.11277$0u2.2289350@news20.bellglobal.com> <08SdnR-YKbmOF67eRVn-qg@comcast.com> <1127465100.277836.96310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11j7hnege5jib72@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: What's a Zizzer? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:25:46 GMT No, and you should get it out right away. It's muriatic acid! "effi" wrote in message news:11j7hnege5jib72@corp.supernews.com... > "Steven" wrote in message > news:1127465100.277836.96310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Your hand is soaking in it right now. > > > Is it mild? > > Article: 322996 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <1127444227.114608.258810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Updated "My first Catalin" page. Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:31:14 -0400 Message-ID: <4333da40$0$14231$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> wrote in message news:1127444227.114608.258810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I updated My First Catalin page, adding scans of both sides of an RCA > sales brochure that details the radio. It does in fact say that the > radio is "pure 24K gold electroplated metal" and has a "catalin" front > panel. So I'm vindicated! :-) > Terry, I didn't see any pricing mentioned on the brochure, do you have any idea what it cost in 1947? I would think it was aimed at the well to do, with gold plating and such. It is a very nice looking radio. Larry Fowkes Article: 322997 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Smith" Subject: And here are bigger better pics Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:16:31 +1200 Message-ID: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~allofus/tanex/gem.jpg http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~allofus/tanex/gem1.jpg http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~allofus/tanex/gem2.jpg http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~allofus/tanex/gem3.jpg I think this crystal set is SO well made and a local friend (who made it) does not mind me sharing it with you all. John Article: 322998 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:20:55 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: It's happened again.... References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247016.382771.103770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127427331.004910.316080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <6bcc2$4333f32b$4232bd5d$16034@COQUI.NET> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > Speaking of which... I will be in federal court in two weeks > dealing with exactly that issue. > > Motorola seems to think that repairing used radios and selling > them as used repaired radios is counterfeiting and violation of > copyright. > > "Film at eleven" as they say. I'll have a follow up on this in > a few weeks. > > Jeff > > Hmmm. David vs Goliath. I recall an instance when I was about 13 years old. (65-66-ish). A Motorola rep/ham lived down the street and a chum and I often found good things in his curbside trash. There was lots of old 2-way radio stuff but it was always smashed to smithereens. We finally met the guy and he explained that these were trade-ins for new gear and they had to be destroyed to keep them off the market - company policy. We begged him to bring home some stuff that missed the hammer - after all, we were just a couple of kids scrounging for stuff to look at and take apart and wouldn't be putting them on the air, much less reselling them! This, of course, is a common practice but it was my first encounter with the Throwaway Society. -Bill Article: 322999 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:22:06 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: And here are bigger better pics References: Message-ID: <5e6a2$4333f374$4232bd5d$16034@COQUI.NET> John Smith wrote: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~allofus/tanex/gem.jpg > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~allofus/tanex/gem1.jpg > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~allofus/tanex/gem2.jpg > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~allofus/tanex/gem3.jpg > > I think this crystal set is SO well made and a local friend (who made it) > does not mind me sharing it with you all. > > John > > > > Holy wow! Thats beautiful! -Bill Article: 323000 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "effi" Subject: Re: What's a Zizzer? Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <11j7t0d42vopha1@corp.supernews.com> References: "Ronnie Robinson" wrote in message news:vJ6dnVoMz-DaEa_enZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@centurytel.net... >I don't see well at night when driving. RAF pilots used bee pollen during WW2 to increase night vision. Many Eye Bright formulas sold today at natural vitamin stores, etc. contain bee pollen (as well as other things good for vision). Article: 323001 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: It's happened again.... From: Larry References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247016.382771.103770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127427331.004910.316080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:25:10 -0400 Jeffrey D Angus wrote in news:l5MYe.214$mg.191@tornado.socal.rr.com: > Speaking of which... I will be in federal court in two weeks > dealing with exactly that issue. > > Motorola seems to think that repairing used radios and selling > them as used repaired radios is counterfeiting and violation of > copyright. > > "Film at eleven" as they say. I'll have a follow up on this in > a few weeks. > > Jeff > Motorola is the reason it's so hard to get a business band radio license. They want everyone to buy trunk radios and service from them so you can pay forever. I have a friend in the paging business that took the FCC's licensing company, private contractor, to court over their refusal to issue him a BB license for the paging business. He finally settled with them out of court because Motorola didn't want to set any court decisions against them. I have one of his Motorola walkie talkies you can now buy for UHF for near nothing. The repeater is really high and noone else is on our UHF frequency for hundreds of miles because of this Motorola nonsense, so range is really impressive. He has a big Vertex mobile with telephone interconnect at his office in his fancy Ford Lightning pickup. 100 miles on that thing is nothing. Best of luck to you in your fight with Motorola. They're gonna lose if I'm in the jury....(c; -- Larry Article: 323002 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:28:52 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Now here is how to do it! References: <1127428543.610153.191870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <84257$4333f507$4232bd5d$16238@COQUI.NET> Omer Suleimanagich wrote: > German radios? > > What about the Telefunken models, Opus 6 and 7? > > Or, the Grundig 5050WE or 5490? > > All radios I have in my collection > > The push pull EL84 amps on those mid fifties radios rock! > > The Grundig Transistor 6001 (Satellit 210) is one great radio too! > > But, like most other Grundigs, they distort on bass (which must be turned > down)when you listen to rock or jazz loud. Question: Is it true that European FM uses a different pre/de-emphasis curve than American FM resulting in the above? John Byrns? -Bill Article: 323003 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: It's happened again.... From: Larry References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127304608.588728.320860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127420994.062672.33270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:30:47 -0400 "xrongor" wrote in news:dh0gln$81qj$1@news3.infoave.net: > i remember a while back there was some local uproar over people being > 'kicked out of their houses'. the railroad company had leased some > land to people for 99 years. for basically nothing. as i understand > it part of the catch was that you had to live on the land, and the > lease was only transferable to your relatives. i dont know much else > about the details of the lease, although im sure it was completely > clear about the 99 years. > > Santee-Cooper, the publically-owned power company leased land all around Lakes Marion and Moultrie for 99 years just like this. They changed their minds in the 90's and offered to sell the land to the house owners, most of which took the offer as it was very attractive, and profitable for the homeowners who would sell. Many of the contracts still continue. (South Carolina) -- Larry Article: 323004 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: paulSPAM@paulsherwin.co.uk (Paul Sherwin) Subject: Re: Electronic Component Spare Parts .... Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:53:05 GMT Message-ID: <4333fa6c.8955797@news.demon.co.uk> References: <1127432542.329159.52790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11j6ijdqejma909@news.supernews.com> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:21:00 -0400, "Buck Frobisher" wrote: >Is this.... > >Spam...? > >I'm willing to bet it is.... > >Complete.... with effected style... Well, it's also turned up in uk.tech.broadcast, where it's been ignored completely :-) Best regards, Paul -- Paul Sherwin Consulting http://paulsherwin.co.uk Article: 323005 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: And here are bigger better pics References: <5e6a2$4333f374$4232bd5d$16034@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:47:33 GMT Bill wrote: > Holy wow! Thats beautiful! > > -Bill Oh oh, Bill's got another project in mind... Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323006 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: It's happened again.... References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247016.382771.103770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127427331.004910.316080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127479292.183005.126320@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:00:15 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > Betcha this will go nowhere unless you use(d) the name Motorola in > whatever advertizing or representations you do to sell these things. > That is where they get sticky. Absurd, but apparently the case. Well, it was quite simple. "For sale: Used Motorola radio." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323007 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:02:02 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: And here are bigger better pics References: <5e6a2$4333f374$4232bd5d$16034@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: <21e6f$43340adc$4232bd5d$20808@COQUI.NET> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > > Bill wrote: > >> Holy wow! Thats beautiful! >> >> -Bill > > > Oh oh, Bill's got another project in mind... > > Jeff > I WISH I could do that! -Bill Article: 323008 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: And here are bigger better pics References: <5e6a2$4333f374$4232bd5d$16034@COQUI.NET> <21e6f$43340adc$4232bd5d$20808@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:05:28 GMT Bill wrote: > > I WISH I could do that! Like the old saying Bill, it just takes a few simple things to do stuff like that. Pliers, money, screw driver, money, drill, money, wire, money... Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323009 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: It's happened again.... References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247016.382771.103770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127427331.004910.316080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127479292.183005.126320@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1127485283.236673.44410@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:58:48 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > "Used national brand radio" and you would not have tripped > their alarm wire. It wasn't eBay. Although they do have a person trolling eBay and hassling sellers. It was a contract bid with the county. You have to be a little more specific than "used national brand radio" in that case. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323010 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Electronic Component Spare Parts .... From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1127432542.329159.52790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11j6ijdqejma909@news.supernews.com> <4333fa6c.8955797@news.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:59:54 GMT In article <4333fa6c.8955797@news.demon.co.uk>, paulSPAM@paulsherwin.co.uk says... > > >Well, it's also turned up in uk.tech.broadcast, where it's been >ignored completely :-) > >Best regards, Paul well here some of our readers are bored... so they responded to it... I'll UP randy's Zero offer ... One Cent... John k9uwa Article: 323011 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Zenith Louis XV, wonder what it will bring? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1127398433.746769.212130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:11:34 GMT In article , pcb999@NOSPAMcomcast.net says... > > > >"What cost $325 in 1938 would cost $4183.24 in 2005". (from The Inflation >Calculator). That much money during the depression certainly put this radio >at the high end of the market. Apparently they didn't sell many. > >Phil B > > We see the rarity on many of the zeniths like this... consider that the 15U269 sold for $185 ....... now thats the identical radio... just a much simpler cabinet design. So.. from $185 or $325 ... huge difference in prices... like the 12s265 at $139.95 vs the 12s267 at $169.95 only 30 bucks difference there ... and today you find a dozen 12s265's for every ONE 12s267 ... John k9uwa Article: 323012 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Zenith Louis XV, wonder what it will bring? Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:01:52 -0600 Message-ID: <24724-433418E0-422@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1127477187.900446.254920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> I like it very much . Its a victorian type design that is alive and well these days . It is very popular these days also to have an eclectic style in home decor . What is ugly to me are those Scott cabinets that are very pain not to mention much GE stuff . That Zenith is beautifull . I have good complete 15 tube chassis that works and works well . Article: 323013 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <1127483687.764293.196390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: a few color tv tubes & 3.58 xtal Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:27:34 -0400 Message-ID: <43341fb5$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> "frenchy" wrote in message news:1127483687.764293.196390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Anybody out there with a garagefull of old tubes they can't bear to > throw out wanna help me out again? ; ) Looking for reasonably priced > tubes for an old color RCA CTC-10 remote control console behemoth TV > I'm fixin' up that has been on the back burner. A few weak tubes... > some others that some repairman swiped off of the remote control > chassis... and a couple of spare tubes just in case. And also looking > for a solid state 3.58 crystal as I have a dead oscillator right now so Mark, I will look through my stocks this weekend. As before you are welcome to anything on the list I have, no charge. I still have a couple thousand TV type tubes that I can not bear to throw out, but which I have no use for. I will drop you a line over the weekend when I get a chance to see what I have. Larry Fowkes I had 2 or 3 brand new color burst crystals that I sold with a bunch of misc parts a few months ago. Radio Shack used to carry them. Article: 323014 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Updated "My first Catalin" page. References: <1127444227.114608.258810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:00:09 GMT tschw10117@aol.com wrote: > I updated My First Catalin page Dat's definately a "keeper". Very pretty radio. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323015 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:52:08 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <57e88449c7fe696c0f9973e8d8416c81@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1qo6j1lsc7vp5gcuodmp19l9a05589s730@4ax.com> Boonton Electronics was formed by a couple of Boonton Radio engineers around 1953 and located above a hardware store in Morris Plains, NJ. The two companies are unassociated. Yup, I know the 250A's and B's, down to every last screw and washer. That Rp drum dial- each of those marks was hand marked with pencil and then engraved; I got so that I could mark the entire dial in 17 minutes. I know I have the calibration resistors somewhere around the house. You can use any metal film/carbon resistor at 500KHz to check the Rp dial. You can probably get away with using a 220 ohm/ 1/2 watt carbon resistor at 250MHz to check the VHF response- it should read around 210 ohms. Don't use film resistors here- they often have a spiral pattern on the form and introduce unwanted reactances. In the meantime I will search for the correct resistors. If you have problems nulling above 200MHz let me know and I will try to remember the tricks. Don't ever, ever unsolder anything in the bridge assembly- it's a frightfully difficult and touchy thing. There's lots of tricks with 250's. I've got the most of the solutions trapped in my head somewhere. Pete O. AI2V Article: 323016 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <57e88449c7fe696c0f9973e8d8416c81@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1qo6j1lsc7vp5gcuodmp19l9a05589s730@4ax.com> Message-ID: <%CXYe.47$556.20@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:15:23 GMT Pete_O wrote: > I've got the most of the solutions > trapped in my head somewhere. Same here. Although I give the following disclaimer: "Contents mave have settled during transit." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 323017 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Matt The Cat" Subject: Looking for Westinghouse Radio Info Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:06:09 GMT I'm looking for information on what I believe to be a 1936 Westinghouse radio. I believe the model number is: WR-373A The Chassis number looks to be: RC-474A Does anyone know of a database with info on Westinghouse radios? Thanks, Matt Article: 323018 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Matt The Cat" References: Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:09:44 GMT Model Number: WR-373Y Chassis number: RC-474A "Ken" wrote in message news:S7kYe.16452$nq.3529@lakeread05... > Can you find a model number anywhere? Ken > > Matt The Cat wrote: > >> I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY >> information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great >> condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My >> grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's true since >> it says that it's "Equipped For Television". >> >> Does anyone know of a Westinghouse radio resource? Any help would be >> most appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Matt > Article: 323019 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: ST-70 Update References: <1127502671.484682.166780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:24:18 GMT You might want to consider this if the amp is in nice condition http://store.triodestore.com/sdss70parts.html or this from AES C-EC30-20X3-525 2005 Catalog page 32 CAPACITOR, ELECTROLYTIC, 30/20/20/20 µF @ 525 VDC New manufacture unit for ST-70 Peter Wieck wrote: > I have gone through the Dynaco ST-70, and despite the fact that it has > been recapped with "brown-drops" some time in the past, they have > become less than perfect over time and so are going to be sent to the > knackers for poly-film caps. But, the 30/20/20/20 @525V 4-section cap > is also gone leaky. Of course, I will also replace the two caps in the > bias supply _and_ the selenium diode. > > My intent here is to remove the multi-section cap and cut out > everything but the base. On that base, I will mount a neat piece of > perf-board and a total of ten (10) 47@450V caps as follows: Four for > the 10uf section two pair in series mounted in parallel. By my > calculations that comes to 47uf@900V. Then one each pair in series for > each of the other sections giving me 23.5uf@900V for each section. This > will live above the chassis, be low enough for the cage to go on, and > with judicious application of insulating sleeves expose no voltage. I > can even configure the perf-board such that it is away from the EL34 > output tubes and the heat they generate. > > Anything wrong with this picture? Given that I have a fairly wide range > on the bias-set pots, is there any reason to add resistance to the > selenium diode? It is only two sections, so there would not be a great > deal of drop across it. I could also use 33uf caps for the first four > described above giving less overage from the 30uf originally in place. > Would this be a better option? > > The last time I worked on one of these beasts to this extent, I could > go to Leon Fertik's shop and buy a new 4-section cap, even at that > voltage. Not no more no how. > > Thanks in advance. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 323020 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Alt Beer" Subject: wtb Boonton 260-A Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:37:44 GMT If you have a Boonton 260-A Q Meter for sale please let me know. Thanks John G3UGY Article: 323021 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Radio Info Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:51:32 GMT "Matt The Cat" wrote in message news:BmYYe.194$WT3.78@trnddc03... > I'm looking for information on what I believe to be a 1936 > Westinghouse radio. > > I believe the model number is: WR-373A > The Chassis number looks to be: RC-474A > > Does anyone know of a database with info on Westinghouse radios? > > Thanks, > Matt > It's listed in the Stein console book, (The Complete Price Guide to Antique Radios: Pre-War Consoles) value $125, 7 tubes, 2 bands. Schematics can be found here: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/304/M0024304.pdf jim menning Article: 323022 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Stewart Warner 325 TRF B+ switching. Why??? Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:05:23 +0200 Message-ID: I went nuts today with a Stewart Warner 325 TRF; it seems that there is a switch on the front panel (original) that switches the B+ from one audio output tube to the other. The schematic confirms it. This leaves one tube always idle with it's filament burning only. Does anyone know the purpose of this design? It's a waste of a tube. -Pete O. (of Boonton Radio/HP) Article: 323023 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: ST-70 Update References: <1127502671.484682.166780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127509827.516463.209930@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <4b%Ye.377$Xl2.147@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:18:40 GMT I have a really nice ST-70 with perfect chrome that I am ready to start working on. I purchased a new board(stock set up) from a guy on ebay that will get new components as well as the AES cap. My dilemma is whether to keep it or sell for big bux on ebay. I have a pair of Eico HF-20's and a Fisher SA 300 (4 EL34 power amp) so I have choices to make. Peter Wieck wrote: > The amp is in excellent-used condition, so this would be a quite-valid > solution. Of course, the DIY part of me is now intrigued by that > solution vs. my approach. And, I am cheap. The Triode solution at > $49.95 is pretty intriguing as there are at least $20 worth of parts > otherwise. > > AES gets me there too, but with an all-in-one solution. The working > voltages on the ST-70 are up to 435V, or a bit more and that cap is > right next to the very hot EL34 output tubes. I would prefer not to put > all those eggs into what then becomes an expensive basket. > > Thanks for the pointers! > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 323024 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Electronic Component Spare Parts .... From: "xrongor" Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:25:38 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1127432542.329159.52790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11j6ijdqejma909@news.supernews.com> <4333fa6c.8955797@news.demon.co.uk> <1127491828.964812.163070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1127491828.964812.163070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > For their entire stock? Delivered? > > I will personally send you $0.05 to hextuple your offer! > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA hex is 6. pent is the prefix i believe you are looking for randy Article: 323025 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Fall 2005 Kutztown (that's pronounced Coots-town) Report Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:03:43 -0400 Message-ID: <11j9d054s3grve9@corp.supernews.com> As is my habit, I attended the renowned Kutztown, Pennsylvania radio flea market put on by the Delaware Valley Historic Radio Club this past weekend. I camped out at Promised Land State Park (in the Poconos) Thursday night as it is a bit too long a drive to make it in one stretch >from Vermont. I arrived a bit before noon Friday and although a few dealers had set up already it was a relaxed arrival. I delayed setting up myself while I perused what was out for sale. Nothing too promising turned up, so I began unpacking and setting up my own table. At these events one is immediately set upon by swap jackals when arriving with a new load of carrion, errr, radio stuff. As a warning to newbies- any quick interest shown by another dealer while you're unpacking always means you underpriced the item. Don't lower your price unless you REALLY want a quick sale, and don't mind seeing it on their table that afternoon. Your price tag will have been torn off and not replaced, though, as sharks NEVER put prices on things. I sold the Wurlitzer console I brought quite soon. It had a nice lacquer job I applied and a military grade chassis restoration by good friend Dennis. These are pretty rare so I knew it wouldn't last long. By late afternoon I still hadn't bought anything but I'd sold about a third of my stuff. The weather was warm for mid September, I had a great time talking with Keith Park and a few of our hosts from the DVHRC, as well as Bruce and Charlotte from "Waves" in Manhattan. It was warm enough I actually wanted a fan but forgot to bring one. I went out for dinner and couldn't find a fan for sale so late in the year, at least in Kutztown. After I returned I sat out in the field a ways out from the market shelter where I had set up camp in the van. The dogs ran about in the full moonlight as I sipped a brew, it was breezy and 75- what a life. But that night we did get some heavy rains. These fortunately cleared by 6 am or so when I emerged to uncover my table. About eight I bought a nice clean Silvertone 4587 console (compact, eye tube, 10 tubes, gold foil dial) from a new arrival for all of $80.00. A little later I found something I've wanted for years but couldn't previously afford- an outside horn phonograph. It's got a broken spring and needs a few other little things, but for $175.00 it was a steal. There wasn't a whole lot though of what I usually come to a swap looking for- high end wooden sets needing a bit of work. But as my collection has grown I have become far far pickier so this isn't really surprising. There were a bunch of fixer upper lower end consoles cheap, and plenty of eye candy in the form of nice Catalin and other fancy sets to admire. AND there certainly were plenty of bargains in nice table sets too. I bought a Plant A gold foil series string table model later in the day for $25.00 for a gift set. The auction proceeds this year went entirely to Katrina victims via the Red Cross. So when a bit less than half my stuff hadn't sold by late morning Saturday, it was an easy decision to donate most of what remained. I had dinner plans with a good friend well north of NYC, and couldn't stay for the auction this year. But it was a great relief as always to have to auction as an outlet for those things you just don't want to haul back. All in all, it was as always a great time. Thanks a million to the DVHRC and the folks at Renninigers. Be sure to get your table for next Spring reserved by mid to late winter- the good spaces go fast and early- (http://www.renningers.com, look under Kutztown Special Events). John H. On the West Coast of New England Article: 323026 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: ST-70 Update Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:14:40 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1127502671.484682.166780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> On 23 Sep 2005 13:03:46 -0700 "Peter Wieck" wrote: >My intent here is to remove the multi-section cap and cut out >everything but the base. On that base, I will mount a neat piece of >perf-board and a total of ten (10) 47@450V caps as follows: Four for >the 10uf section two pair in series mounted in parallel. By my >calculations that comes to 47uf@900V. Then one each pair in series for >each of the other sections giving me 23.5uf@900V for each section. 2 caps of 450V each in series just to replace one 525V cap that actually runs at less seems awfully conservative. I'd just go with a couple at 300V instead. That would save you some room and some cash. A check of most electrolytic cap data sheets indicates that the manufacturers claim that grading resistors are not needed as long as the caps are from the same batch. >Given that I have a fairly wide range >on the bias-set pots, is there any reason to add resistance to the >selenium diode? I've done several of these, all with excellent results. I never added extra resistance. I believe the current draw is so small that there would be insignificant voltage drop across the resistor anyway. Just make sure that the caps are good. Failure of the selenium diode in these amps is almost universal by now, and fixing that alone will make a huge difference. If you're not convinced of this, try setting the bias and then watch the bias voltage drift. It will just never settle down no matter how long it's allowed to warm up (seconds, minutes, hours, days.) After replacement with silicon it instantly becomes rock steady. In fact, that's the ONLY thing I've usually had to replace in these amps. Maybe I'm just lucky, but my caps are all still good. ;-) (I've got one new spare, though, just in case.) - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- Article: 323027 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Fall 2005 Kutztown (that's pronounced Coots-town) Report Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:15:39 -0400 Message-ID: <11j9dmdmtf2v460@corp.supernews.com> References: <11j9d054s3grve9@corp.supernews.com> PS- See the binaries for the 3 pictures I managed to take. John H. Article: 323028 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4334B86F.1A7776B6@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: WTD: a few color tv tubes & 3.58 xtal References: <1127483687.764293.196390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:22:39 -0400 Frency, Email me your address, I have 300 of the 3.58 mhz crystals in my parts cabinet. Probably 299 more than I need, I'll send you a few gratis. I just took a look, the actual frequency of my crystals is 3.57945 mhz, can you use it? Regards, Sal Brisindi http://www.tuberadios.com frenchy wrote: > Anybody out there with a garagefull of old tubes they can't bear to > throw out wanna help me out again? ; ) Looking for reasonably priced > tubes for an old color RCA CTC-10 remote control console behemoth TV > I'm fixin' up that has been on the back burner. A few weak tubes... > some others that some repairman swiped off of the remote control > chassis... and a couple of spare tubes just in case. And also looking > for a solid state 3.58 crystal as I have a dead oscillator right now so > I want to replace this and get it out of the scenario while I'm trying > other fixes as well in that circuit. Tubes don't have to be new, > whatever you got that you are pretty sure aren't bad. Or if you don't > know condition I will pay for shipping on those anyway. Thanks! I > think this is all of them: > > 6EV7 x 3 > 12AZ7 > 12AX7 > 6EA8 > 6AW8 > 6DQ5 > 6GM6 > 6BZ6 > 6EM7 > 3.58 crystal From adouglasatgis.net Wed Sep 28 23:55:00 EDT 2005 Article: 323029 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ST-70 Update Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:38:09 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <1127502671.484682.166780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-467.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news4 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:323029 Hi, I've been running a Stereo 70 as my bass-channel amp for ten or fifteen years. I replaced the coupling caps, and I'm sure the selenium, years ago, but the power supply electrolytic is original, as is at least one of the 6CA7s (it says "Dynaco" on it). I'm running it >from a 115V isolation transformer. I also think there's no need for equalizing resistors with modern electrolytics. They're self-equalizing: if the voltage tried to go too high on one, it would leak more and lower the voltage. Alan Article: 323030 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:09:20 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Protecting battery tubes Message-ID: <3d47d$4334c363$4232bd28$26669@COQUI.NET> I haven't managed to do it yet... but this evening I caught myself in the process of inadvertently connecting a 90v B battery to my 1.5v filaments on the terminal strip in back of the radio. It got me wondering. Whats a good way to prevent burning out the tube filaments if a guy were to make this mistake? I'm thinking a zener to ground, or better still three cheap 1N4007s and a fast blow fuse inline, suitable to the filament draw. What I don't have is a feel for if this would this react quick enough to save the tubes? I don't want to run any 'destructive testing' to find out and maybe someone has dealt with this before? I guess the obvious would be to use some sort of connectors or different binding posts to PREVENT the postential error but Murphy often finds a way around that. Ideas? TIA, Bill Article: 323031 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:37:11 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247016.382771.103770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127427331.004910.316080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127479292.183005.126320@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1127485283.236673.44410@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > > Peter Wieck wrote: > >> "Used national brand radio" and you would not have tripped >> their alarm wire. > > > It wasn't eBay. Although they do have a person trolling eBay > and hassling sellers. > > It was a contract bid with the county. You have to be a little > more specific than "used national brand radio" in that case. In the past 20+ years I have lived in Silicon Valley, I have seen a lot of companies use a lot of different novel legal tactics to control the aftermarket sales of their used products. With almost no exceptions, those that have actually gone to court have been shot down in flames. It is apparently VERY difficult to pursue a strategy to control the distribution of already-sold product without running afoul of the Right of First Sale or the Clayton Act. Recently, the Digital Millenium Copyright Act has been (mis)used to attempt this as well....Those cases are still making their way through the courts, but I don't see how this would apply in Jeff's case unless he used some proprietary method of programming the radios. Now, if Motorola is alleging infringement simply because Jeff used the Motorola name in his ad, then that is quite a pretzel. I have a hard time believing that a judge would actually buy an argument like that. These radios are perfectly legal to sell, and the brand name is a natural part of the description of the wares being sold. Jeff, by all means keep us posted. I am not an attorney, but methinks you are on pretty firm legal ground. -Scott Article: 323032 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:21:29 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247016.382771.103770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127427331.004910.316080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <6bcc2$4333f32b$4232bd5d$16034@COQUI.NET> Bill wrote: > Hmmm. David vs Goliath. > > I recall an instance when I was about 13 years old. (65-66-ish). A > Motorola rep/ham lived down the street and a chum and I often found good > things in his curbside trash. There was lots of old 2-way radio stuff > but it was always smashed to smithereens. We finally met the guy and he > explained that these were trade-ins for new gear and they had to be > destroyed to keep them off the market - company policy. We begged him > to bring home some stuff that missed the hammer - after all, we were > just a couple of kids scrounging for stuff to look at and take apart and > wouldn't be putting them on the air, much less reselling them! > > This, of course, is a common practice but it was my first encounter with > the Throwaway Society. That reminds of my own Motorola Horror story.... About 30 years ago, when I first started getting into electronics, Motorola sold a Walkie-Talkie known as the HT-220. They were sold by the thousands to police departments, the military, state and federal governments, and private industry. They were powerful, extremely durable, and expensive, and highly coveted by hams who wanted to work two meters with them. Around this time, there was a company that was purchasing HT-220 boards >from Motorola that had failed functional testing during the manufacturing process. IIRC, the company was known as Spectrasonics (or something like that). They were then re-selling them to anyone who wanted one for about $100.00 apiece. With a lot of patience and and a little luck, it was possible to make the boards work, and some people used their repair skills to do just that. Once you had a working board, it was possible to order all the other parts needed to build a complete HT-220 from Motorola as spare parts for about $150.00 Thus, a skilled repair person could acquire a radio that retailed for $600-$1200 for about $250.00 and a bit of sweat equity. I knew a guy who was earning some money on the side doing this....He would sell complete, functional new HT-220s to his ham buddies for a price that was considerably less than the minimum charged by Motorola. Somehow, Motorola got wind of it and sent him a cease-and-desist letter. The point was already moot by that time, though. Spectrasonics had already had their supply of boards cut off by Motorola. -Scott Article: 323033 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: CalBubba Subject: Re: fix Dual 1019 Date: 24 Sep 2005 02:49:04 -0500 Message-ID: <4335044e$0$188$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> References: <1127541919.677668.43520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Covah wrote: > Friends, > My Dual 1019 works perfectly except it turns itself off. When lever is > at "start" turntable revolves, tonearm moves, drops, and machine turns > off. Set lever at "manual" and machine runs until I let go and lever > springs back to "stop" position and machine turns off. If I move > tonearm to center it starts up again and whips tonearm back to cradle, > then turns off. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > How familiar are you with this machine? I think that you've got a problem with the assembly that's located under the main user control group. I don't know for sure: like most record changers, this one is rather complicated in certain aspects. In general, though, it's pretty sensible when compared with English changers. I think I know approximately what's wrong, and just don't have the words for this. For starters, have you checked to see if that assembly is hanging up from somebody's prior attempt at lubing it with gunky grease? The parts need to slide freely and be able to move quickly. Step one: buy a shop manual photocopy from Manual Genius (or ManualGenius)on the web. Then print a couple of copies so you can mark up one of them. Warning: the Dual 1019 manual isn't very thorough or clear: you'll have to psych it out. The manual has a lubrication chart that's difficult to read, and references lubricants that were available 36 years ago in Germany. Somebody's done a nice modern lube equivalency list for, if I remember correctly, the Dual 1219, which is almost the same in most respects. Sorry, I don't have the URLs handy for these. Possiblity #2 is that the cam gear is traveling past its natural stop point and switching into the shutdown sequence. Or switching into shutdown with every cycle. There's a "track switch" (a toggle plate) on the plastic cam gear which sends the cam follower down either of two tracks: one track is for normal cycling; the other track returns the arm to the rest, sets the arm down, and flips the power switch off. It helps to be able to watch it go around from underneath. Bubba Article: 323034 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Protecting battery tubes From: Larry References: <3d47d$4334c363$4232bd28$26669@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:15:27 -0400 Bill wrote in news:3d47d$4334c363$4232bd28$26669@COQUI.NET: > What I don't have is a feel for if this would this react quick enough to > save the tubes? I don't want to run any 'destructive testing' to find > out and maybe someone has dealt with this before? > > I It would work great. The diodes won't let the voltage come up over 1.8 to 2V. If you load a 'B' battery with them, however, it would never blow the fuse. You'd have to fuse the radio heavy enough the filaments didn't blow it on a new 'A' battery. This fuse would be larger than the maximum current the 'B' battery could produce, probably. It might blow if you're using 9V alkalines.... -- Larry Article: 323035 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: paulSPAM@paulsherwin.co.uk (Paul Sherwin) Subject: Re: Protecting battery tubes Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:02:35 GMT Message-ID: <43353f1d.9136978@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3d47d$4334c363$4232bd28$26669@COQUI.NET> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:09:20 -0400, Bill wrote: >I haven't managed to do it yet... but this evening I caught myself in >the process of inadvertently connecting a 90v B battery to my 1.5v >filaments on the terminal strip in back of the radio. > >It got me wondering. Whats a good way to prevent burning out the tube >filaments if a guy were to make this mistake? I'm thinking a zener to >ground, or better still three cheap 1N4007s and a fast blow fuse inline, >suitable to the filament draw. As Larry has said, a fuse would be unlikely to blow with a B+ battery, though it probably would with a regulator fault on a battery eliminator. I tend to scavenge all the high power diodes fron scrap switch mode PSUs and the like, and this allows me to hand select three diodes which will strike at exactly the right voltage - 1.6V is quite easy to achieve. This will provide a lot of protection for the filaments even without a fuse. Best regards, Paul -- Paul Sherwin Consulting http://paulsherwin.co.uk Article: 323036 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: ST-70 Update References: <1127502671.484682.166780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127509827.516463.209930@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4b%Ye.377$Xl2.147@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:46:42 GMT I'm surprised that you would say that about the HF-20. The output transformers look to be of real quality and I've read nothing but good reviews on it. I suppose the tone control circuits could be bypassed to have the least coloration of the signal if you already have a preamp. John Stone wrote: > > > On 9/23/05 5:18 PM, in article 4b%Ye.377$Xl2.147@twister.nyroc.rr.com, "Lou > deGonzague" wrote: > > >>I have a really nice ST-70 with perfect chrome that I am ready to start >>working on. I purchased a new board(stock set up) from a guy on ebay >>that will get new components as well as the AES cap. My dilemma is >>whether to keep it or sell for big bux on ebay. I have a pair of Eico >>HF-20's and a Fisher SA 300 (4 EL34 power amp) so I have choices to make. >> > > I'd keep the Fisher and sell the Dyna. The HF20 is not in the same league. >