Article: 328830 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Telefuken tube adaptors References: <3pkvf.12198$hI1.7861@tornado.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 03:46:47 GMT Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > I have to admit, those Telefunken tubes are really goofy. Speaking of which. Anybody have an extra rim-lock socket? It sort of looks like a Loctal socket. (See picture in link) I hear it's about as reliable. ;-) http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/frank/photos/030/e/EAF41.jpg Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 328831 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: A BIT Gaudy Perhaps? Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:08:49 -0500 Message-ID: <11rufmhsq6n3bdf@corp.supernews.com> And the starting bid, BuyItNow, and shipping are clearly plucked from someone's derrière. BUT it *is* neat- http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Ornate-Heavily-Carved-Cherub-Radio-Cabinet_W0QQitemZ6592545243 John H. Article: 328832 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: novatech@eskimo.com (Steven Swift) Subject: Re: Sylvania Oscilloscope Type 131 schematic. Date: 7 Jan 2006 04:34:41 GMT Message-ID: References: Alan Douglas writes: >Hi >>Anyone have a schematic for this old (1950-ish) scope? Or a link? > Did you ever get a reply? The schematic is in Rider's >"Encyclopedia" of scopes, and I could xerox the page if you need it. >Alan Thanks for the offer, but, yes, a kind Useneter emailed me the schematic. It has been very helpful. Regards, Steve. -- Steven D. Swift, novatech@eskimo.com, http://www.novatech-instr.com NOVATECH INSTRUMENTS, INC. P.O. Box 55997 206.301.8986, fax 206.363.4367 Seattle, Washington 98155 USA Article: 328833 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Aren't These Predicta Pictures from Someone Elses Web Site? Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:19:28 -0800 Message-ID: References: <1136603660.054375.266180@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Geoff wrote: > Anyone know whose website these are from? I'm sure they are not of the > one being offered. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6242672049 > > Geoff > Yup....... http://www.antiqueradio.org/philc12.htm Phil, time to fire another one off to eBay for picture theft. (Fraud?) -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 328834 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Aren't These Predicta Pictures from Someone Elses Web Site? Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:48:42 -0600 Message-ID: <21513-43BF563A-1458@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: I could be mistaken,but a few years ago,I think I read somewhere on the internet that "Predicta" tv sets are going to be reproduced in the same style (as far as looks is concerned) as the old Philco Predicta tv sets,but with modern parts and technology. cuhulin Article: 328835 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" Subject: Philco 38-116 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:58:50 -0600 Spotted a Philco 38-116 in an antique shop not too far away, at what I think is a good price. But I'm curious to know how well the acoustic resonators worked in these things, with the open back? Or is the radio supposed to have a closed back? Cheers, Nelson Article: 328836 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Aren't These Predicta Pictures from Someone Elses Web Site? Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:59:34 -0600 Message-ID: <21514-43BF58C6-370@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: If you will check out www.mini-itx.com you will see where somebody modded a Telefunken radio into a computer and somebody made a Mantle radio computer from scratch. cuhulin Article: 328837 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DaveW Subject: Re: A BIT Gaudy Perhaps? References: <11rufmhsq6n3bdf@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 06:07:14 GMT Hagstar wrote: > And the starting bid, BuyItNow, and shipping are clearly plucked from > someone's derrière. BUT it *is* neat- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Ornate-Heavily-Carved-Cherub-Radio-Cabinet_W0QQitemZ6592545243 > > > John H. > Hideous!!! I wouldn't pay 50 cents. Best Regards, DAve Article: 328838 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: Searching data for Mullard MF31-95 (CV1869, 12T01A) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:42:51 +0100 Message-ID: References: Phil Nelson wrote > Wonderful tube. I would pay extra for that container! > > You could try contacting Steve McVoy at the Early Television Foundation, > http://www.earlytelevision.org/ . > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > Hi Phil, good idea: I could offer tube and container separately on ebay ;-) (Just one of my usual jokes) Many thanks for the link to Steve McVoy! Kind Regards Georg http://www.radiomuseum.org/collection/georg_richter.html BTW, http://www.radiomuseum.org/ shows more and more American radios. Article: 328839 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:24:54 -0500 "Nelson Gietz" wrote in message news:PKIvf.482$ve2.304@fe23.lga... > Spotted a Philco 38-116 in an antique shop not too far away, at what I think > is a good price. But I'm curious to know how well the acoustic resonators > worked in these things, with the open back? Or is the radio supposed to > have a closed back? > Cheers, > Nelson > Closed back. But, the thin cabinet walls on consoles of that vintage didn't do much for the sound quality either. Given the AM medium, and quality of the broadcasts, the 38-116 probably sounded as good, or better, than anything else comparably priced in it's day. Pete Article: 328840 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <11rufmhsq6n3bdf@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: A BIT Gaudy Perhaps? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:27:24 -0500 All of those faces and gargoyles peering out of the woodwork would give me the heebie jeepies! Shades of Marley's Ghost!! Brrrrrr! Peter Article: 328841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1136231511.871758.146840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1136253045.675380.137500@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1136342001.650364.192550@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Shortwave Broadcasts for Your Old Radio? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:54:49 GMT I don't want to turn this thread into a political rant, but I know exactly what you're saying and I totally agree -- those who ignore history are bound to repeat it. I find the events of World War II to be very fascinating. Of course there are plenty of people who love to study the Civil War, the Revolutionary War, and others, but to me the second world war stands out -- partly because it falls within the time period of my favorite radios, but also because the events of this war really come alive when listening to the OTR broadcasts. It's one thing to read about D-Day in a history book; it's quite another to listen to CBS News report it as it's happening. Of course there are people a little older than myself who can say they experienced it firsthand, but in truth they heard the exact same thing I did when listening to the broadcast. The only difference is that I could leave the light on in the room, and that I already know the outcome. When studying history, one learns that things really haven't changed all that much over time. When our country's founders decided to break away from England and form our own independent country, only about a third of the population was in favor of doing it. Another third wanted to remain an English colony, and the rest didn't really care. When George Washington gave his inaugural speech, people complained that we gave up George the Third for George the First. The signers of the Declaration of Independence had their families killed and homes destroyed. The end result is our present day United States. However we must remember that history wasn't a certain place in time that happened once and is now over; the problems continue to this day. We've had plenty of other wars, and in every case the purpose has been to protect this country by ending tyranny either here or elsewhere. In every case some people have protested, saying that living in fear or tyranny is better than having soldiers killed in a war. Be your own judge. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com wrote in message news:1136342001.650364.192550@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Jeffrey D Angus wrote: >> shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote: >> >> > Jeffrey D Angus wrote: >> > >> >>Anybody able to copy this properly? And record it? >> > >> > >> > I suppose it has some macabre curiosity factor. >> >> To learn from history, you have to listen to both sides. > > Maybe I'm hopelessly unable to put myself in the mindset of a > Nazi propogandist. Maybe the Nazi propogandist didn't know everything > that was going on in Buchenwald. But neither did Murrow till the > Allies marched in. > > I do listen to Murrow's broadcasts and compare it with the "don't > go to war, we have to remain neutral for prosperity" side and if I try > I think I can see both sides of that argument. Then try to > extrapolate to, for example, today's business in Iraq and whether we > should've gone there or not. That's enough of a stretch for me, because > the analogy is nowhere near exact. > > I do remember listening to Radio Albania in the 70's. Wow, that was > amazing. They continually bashed the Soviet Union for not being truly > communist enough! > > Tim. > Article: 328842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:44:30 -0500 Check the binaries. If my records are correct, that's a 116 back. Ken Nelson Gietz wrote: > Spotted a Philco 38-116 in an antique shop not too far away, at what I think > is a good price. But I'm curious to know how well the acoustic resonators > worked in these things, with the open back? Or is the radio supposed to > have a closed back? > Cheers, > Nelson > > Article: 328843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa /W4 Snowbird) References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:44:52 GMT In article , ngietz@mts.net says... > > >Spotted a Philco 38-116 in an antique shop not too far away, at what I think >is a good price. But I'm curious to know how well the acoustic resonators >worked in these things, with the open back? Or is the radio supposed to >have a closed back? > Cheers, > Nelson > > Nelson... that is one hellava radio.... if you have never heard one you will really be amazed at it when its restored.... grab it if its at all reasonably priced.. Wife likes the 37 cabinet design better than the slope front 38... I like both of them... I just wish I could have found another chassis for that 37 that was up on fleabay a week ago..... I would have had it myself!... John k9uwa /w4 real close to Clermont, FL where that radio was located. Article: 328844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:01:51 -0500 Message-ID: <11rvluvnpm6j95c@corp.supernews.com> References: My Emerson DS-365 has a wood backed but highly vented cabinet. Nonetheless I can hear sound from the DIAL COVER moving with the air pressure waves inside the cabinet. The air can't get out fast enough, and exerts considerate pressure despite venting. SO, I retract my previous statements that the Acoustic Clarifiers can't do anything, they likely have a small but noticeable effect at higher volumes. John H. Article: 328845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:37:17 GMT "Ken" wrote in message news:xtQvf.44587$Ou3.14070@dukeread09... > > Check the binaries. If my records are correct, that's a 116 back. Ken > What were you doing in my bedroom? Oops, that sounds bad... jim menning Article: 328846 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1136556694.923079.170910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Experiments with LEDs &/or RFIDs Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:42:26 GMT "wagil" wrote in message news:1136556694.923079.170910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > Does anyone have any experience using/experimenting with LEDs similar > to those being used in flashlights or auto lights? > You should be able to find a lot of user projects at the LED Museum website: http://ledmuseum.home.att.net/menutop.htm#8 > How about RFIDs? Anyone playing with these? Peopla are at this site: http://www.rfidgazette.org/2004/05/intel_demonstra.html jim menning Article: 328847 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1136563654.261431.233700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 2006 Early Television Convention Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:49:02 GMT "Steve McVoy" wrote in message news:1136563654.261431.233700@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > The 2006 Early Television Convention will be held in Hilliard, OH on > April 28-30. Online registration is now available: > > http://www.earlytelevision.org/2006_convention.html > This is a great event for anyone interested in early television. You get to meet and talk with some of the most well-known people in the hobby, and share experiences and knowledge about early TV design and how to get those old sets working. And the collection that Steve and his helpers have put together over the years is truly amazing. You get to see many of the old sets actually working! Plan ahead now to put this in your spring schedule, it's well worth the trip, there's nothing else like it for the 'old TV' collectors. jim menning Article: 328848 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <11rvluvnpm6j95c@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:54:45 -0500 "Hagstar" wrote in message news:11rvluvnpm6j95c@corp.supernews.com... > My Emerson DS-365 has a wood backed but highly vented cabinet. > Nonetheless I can hear sound from the DIAL COVER moving with the air > pressure waves inside the cabinet. The air can't get out fast enough, > and exerts considerate pressure despite venting. SO, I retract my > previous statements that the Acoustic Clarifiers can't do anything, they > likely have a small but noticeable effect at higher volumes. > > John H. > You'd likely benefit with a properly treated cryogenic rear radio cover.. Pete Article: 328849 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:25:10 -0500 Message-ID: <11rvqr66m5n3fa5@corp.supernews.com> References: <11rvluvnpm6j95c@corp.supernews.com> Uncle Peter wrote: > > > You'd likely benefit with a properly treated cryogenic rear radio cover.. > > You bought one, Pete. John H. Article: 328850 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:53:11 -0500 So that's where I got that pic. I was going to copy it for a 116 I restored, but sold the radio. I have another 116 ready for restoration, but I think I'll sell it. It's a great set to align, everything works like a charm, but I have no more rooooom. Ken jim menning wrote: > "Ken" wrote in message news:xtQvf.44587$Ou3.14070@dukeread09... > > > >>Check the binaries. If my records are correct, that's a 116 back. Ken >> > > > What were you doing in my bedroom? Oops, that sounds bad... > > > jim menning > > Article: 328851 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: A BIT Gaudy Perhaps? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:14:28 +0100 Message-ID: References: <11rufmhsq6n3bdf@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > And the starting bid, BuyItNow, and shipping are clearly plucked from > someone's derrière. BUT it *is* neat- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Ornate-Heavily-Carved-Cherub-Radio-Cabinet _W0QQitemZ6592545243 > > John H. Maybe in the past this gaudy was the player for the pink cylinder of "42 Drawer Oak Cylinder Record Cabinet" ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6592535596 starting $1.250, one bid. Georg Article: 328852 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: ISH Subject: Re: A BIT Gaudy Perhaps? Message-ID: References: <11rufmhsq6n3bdf@corp.supernews.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:30:30 GMT On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:14:28 +0100, "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote: >Hagstar wrote: > >> And the starting bid, BuyItNow, and shipping are clearly plucked >from >> someone's derrière. BUT it *is* neat- >> >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Ornate-Heavily-Carved-Cherub-Radio-Cabinet > Looks like something my grandmother would have had........... Ish Article: 328853 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: Semi-OT... Mouser Electronics Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:35:29 -0600 Message-ID: <5555-43BFFBE1-43@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <6fc7125b9c71812b995d0c5e81c450ca@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> I wrote down their website.If I need any parts and if they have them,I will buy from them. cuhulin Article: 328854 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <11rvluvnpm6j95c@corp.supernews.com> <11rvqr66m5n3fa5@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:59:40 -0500 "Hagstar" wrote in message news:11rvqr66m5n3fa5@corp.supernews.com... > > > Uncle Peter wrote: > > > > > > > You'd likely benefit with a properly treated cryogenic rear radio cover.. > > > > > > You bought one, Pete. > > John H. > Not me. I'd never own an Emerson that had accostically deficient dial covers. Pete Article: 328855 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:02:16 -0500 "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > http://cgi.ebay.com/Output-Adaptor-for-older-McIntosh-amps_W0QQitemZ58487155 20QQcategoryZ14968QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nylon-gloves-for-handling-McIntosh-amps_W0QQitemZ5848712 095QQcategoryZ14968QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > I was going to do more... just look at their 'store'. ~~Yikes~~ > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > The speaker cable adapters? I must get used to these salespitches, that one ***almost*** looks reasonable to me?? Peter Article: 328856 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: A BIT Gaudy Perhaps? Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 11:07:09 -0800 Message-ID: References: <11rufmhsq6n3bdf@corp.supernews.com> ISH wrote: > On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:14:28 +0100, "Georg Richter" > <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote: > > >>Hagstar wrote: >> >> >>>And the starting bid, BuyItNow, and shipping are clearly plucked >> >>from >> >>>someone's derrière. BUT it *is* neat- >>> >>> >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Ornate-Heavily-Carved-Cherub-Radio-Cabinet >> > > Looks like something my grandmother would have had........... > Ish It would go well with some decors that are out of favor among interior designers now, such as the one in the pictures. I kinda liked it, until I saw the last photo. It might be worth something to someone who has the proper chassis, but that price is so far out of line that it will go begging for at least another century. Anybody know what kind of chassis actually went into that cabinet? -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 328857 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: Aren't These Predicta Pictures from Someone Elses Web Site?ATT... Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:32:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: <21514-43BF58C6-370@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> cuhulin wrote: > If you will check out www.mini-itx.com you will see where somebody > modded a Telefunken radio into a computer and somebody made a Mantle > radio computer from scratch. > cuhulin same site: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/bluebird/ I am missing there a mini Pee-C in an urinal ;-) Georg Article: 328858 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Aren't These Predicta Pictures from Someone Elses Web Site? ATTN: Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:09:27 -0800 Message-ID: References: <1136603660.054375.266180@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Phil Nelson wrote: > Thanks, Shawn, yes, that's my TV in two of the three photos. I made a fraud > report -- or sort of. It took a long time to find any page that would let me > submit a fraud report, and then it only allowed me to submit the auction > number: no explanation that the TV shown doesn't belong to the seller, or > where to find the original photos on my site. > > I don't know where they got the photo with the pink background and watermark > . . . perhaps from somebody else's auction. Not my TV, anyhow. > > If anybody knows a way to report fraud that allows you to give some details, > please let me know. > Well, I didn't find anything for fraud, but if you want eBay to really read her the riot act (sounds like she desperately needs it), You can fill out this form here: http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/NOCI1.pdf Perfectly reasonable, they are your images, and she is using them in an unauthorized fashion and lying about it. I have already sent a less formal complaint to eBay's "copyright basics" section about her continued use of the photo from the tvhistory site.....that is also a copyrighted photo. Maybe eBay will finally pull the plug on this thing......It has more than the faint scent of fertilizer on it. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 328859 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:54:44 -0500 "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > http://cgi.ebay.com/Output-Adaptor-for-older-McIntosh-amps_W0QQitemZ5848715520QQcategoryZ14968QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nylon-gloves-for-handling-McIntosh-amps_W0QQitemZ5848712095QQcategoryZ14968QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > I was going to do more... just look at their 'store'. ~~Yikes~~ > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA Well, I was going to grab a pair of those gloves, until I noticed that they were only for Macintosh amps. I'm still looking for ones I can use with my Quad stuff. Frank Article: 328860 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:47:26 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Buck Frobisher wrote: > Well, I was going to grab a pair of those gloves, until I noticed that they > were only for Macintosh amps. I'm still looking for ones I can use with my > Quad stuff. Frank, THAT's it! gloves with stitched manufacturer emblems. I have $$ in my eyes ... Dagobert (Georg) Article: 328861 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Anyone feeling particularly generous (Where is Bill Gates when you need him?) :) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:02:39 +0900 Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6595037225 From jsmcauley'at'earthlink.net Sat Jan 7 21:27:32 EST 2006 Article: 328862 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: js mcauley Reply-To: jsmcauley'at'earthlink.net User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Clough Brengle CRA Oscilloscope Schematic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0601-3, 01/06/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:58:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.87.139.208 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1136681933 65.87.139.208 (Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:58:53 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:58:53 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!207.69.154.102.MISMATCH!elnk-atl-nf2!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!1800c27c!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:328862 Anyone out there have a copy of the CRA Schematic they would be willing to share? Scott. Article: 328863 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:58:57 GMT The gloves are not a bad idea at all. Gun and coin collectors use them, and they can be had in cotton for about $0.50 per pair (much less than the $2.50 per pair this seller is asking), or $0.75 per pair for nylon. -- Mike Schultz "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > http://cgi.ebay.com/Output-Adaptor-for-older-McIntosh-amps_W0QQitemZ5848715520QQcategoryZ14968QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nylon-gloves-for-handling-McIntosh-amps_W0QQitemZ5848712095QQcategoryZ14968QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > I was going to do more... just look at their 'store'. ~~Yikes~~ > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 328864 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:12:40 -0400 Message-ID: <11s0po8kakbmjb3@corp.supernews.com> References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mike Schultz wrote: > The gloves are not a bad idea at all. Gun and coin collectors use them, and > they can be had in cotton for about $0.50 per pair (much less than the $2.50 > per pair this seller is asking), or $0.75 per pair for nylon. > Add a 'lab coat' with a brand monogram to your offerings, georg. One must wear the proper apparel to appreciate the sound. -Bill Article: 328865 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:09:02 -0400 Message-ID: <11s0t1uq3lojf87@corp.supernews.com> References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> graham wrote: > > ... actually Macintosh doesn't make amps, but McIntosh does ... ;-) > > Pedant. Article: 328866 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:03:43 -0500 "graham" wrote in message news:vKKdnVuItrt56V3eRVn-vg@comcast.com... > > " > > > ... actually Peter, many of the high-end tube amp manufactures do include > gloves and other tools when shipped ... the gloves are intended to be used when > installing the tubes, to keep fingerprints off the tubes ... and the adapter is > useful to preserve the barrier strips from damage from oversize spade lugs ... > A lot of higher end faucets (Danze, etc.) come with cotton gloves for the installer as well. Pete Article: 328867 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <11rvluvnpm6j95c@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 Message-ID: <2n%vf.41521$Mi5.38029@dukeread07> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:08:13 -0500 "Hagstar" wrote in message news:11rvluvnpm6j95c@corp.supernews.com... > My Emerson DS-365 has a wood backed but highly vented cabinet. > Nonetheless I can hear sound from the DIAL COVER moving with the air > pressure waves inside the cabinet. The air can't get out fast enough, > and exerts considerate pressure despite venting. SO, I retract my > previous statements that the Acoustic Clarifiers can't do anything, they > likely have a small but noticeable effect at higher volumes. > > John H. > Are you serious, or pulling our legs? I'm not sure if this a bit of wry Johnny H. humor, or if you really hear this happening. Pete Article: 328868 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:21:35 -0400 Message-ID: <11s119vkj8ot2a9@corp.supernews.com> References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Uncle Peter wrote: > > A lot of higher end faucets (Danze, etc.) come with cotton gloves for the > installer > as well. > > Pete > > If you buy high end gloves are there some lesser gloves included for handling them? -Bill Article: 328869 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11s119vkj8ot2a9@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:44:58 -0500 "- exray -" wrote in message news:11s119vkj8ot2a9@corp.supernews.com... > Uncle Peter wrote: > > > > > > A lot of higher end faucets (Danze, etc.) come with cotton gloves for the > > installer > > as well. > > > > Pete > > > > > > If you buy high end gloves are there some lesser gloves included for > handling them? > > -Bill It becomes a matter of personal hygiene. Wash your hands before putting on the gloves. --Pete Article: 328870 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:50:59 -0500 Message-ID: <11s1315138ggga8@corp.supernews.com> References: <11rvluvnpm6j95c@corp.supernews.com> <2n%vf.41521$Mi5.38029@dukeread07> Uncle Peter wrote: > > Are you serious, or pulling our legs? I'm not sure if this a bit of > wry Johnny H. humor, or if you really hear this happening. > > It does sound more bassy in front of this set that from the speaker on top, I'm not kidding. This is a table set with push pull 6L6's, when cranked the dial cover moves quite visibly when it's up loud. Therefor I won't dismiss the Clarifiers as utterly useless. John H. Article: 328871 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1136603660.054375.266180@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Aren't These Predicta Pictures from Someone Elses Web Site? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:15:26 GMT "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:sKqdnep1646A8l3eRVn-pw@giganews.com... >> I don't see any pictures of the TV actually working..... > > Or of having been "lovingly restored" (chassis looks pretty dusty to me, and you > can't see whether it has been recapped, etc.). > > > Caveat emptor . . . > > Phil Nelson > > Caveat emptor for sure! He's on at least the 4th major revision of his listing. The set that was supposedly "in storage" is actually in the showroom of his "antique store". The set is missing it's wrap-around back, the brass trim bar, and the brass trim ring around the CRT. It no longer "runs like it is new" that the first listing claimed, and the professional restoration was done 14 years ago. The description now tells us the "picture is dark". It's getting farther and farther away from the claim "This tv is missing the sides of the "pedestal" but otherwise perfect condition." But at least he dropped the price by $100. jim menning Article: 328872 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jim rozen Subject: Re: So what is on AM these days ? Date: 7 Jan 2006 20:14:15 -0800 Message-ID: References: <29603-43B3EAFC-3@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> In article , Steve Stone says... >A station on 1300 AM out of Rockland County shows me how good local >independent radio can still be. >820 AM WNYC is a NPR station with better than regular programming >950 AM out of New Hyde Park has a wild mix of music, from 30's Swing, Rock a >Billy, to modern stuff. Try 1520 WKBW from buffalo NY. They actually play music now and again! Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== Article: 328873 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jim rozen Subject: Re: So what is on AM these days ? Date: 7 Jan 2006 20:18:35 -0800 Message-ID: References: <29603-43B3EAFC-3@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> In article , Steve Stone says... >Sometimes I just wait for night and tune into oldies out of Buffalo on 1570. >(think it is 1570) Oh, I should have read all the way to the bottom. That's WKBW, it's 1520 actually. Like I said, real music. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== Article: 328874 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: Subject: Re: Clough Brengle CRA Oscilloscope Schematic Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:48:49 GMT Yes I have it, I'll scan it and post it to binaries. Ron js mcauley wrote in message news:htZvf.4293$%W1.1325@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Anyone out there have a copy of the CRA Schematic they would be willing > to share? > Scott. Article: 328875 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: Subject: Re: Clough Brengle CRA Oscilloscope Schematic Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:59:24 GMT It's on the binaries NG. It's BIG, but you can read every word. I hope it helps. 73, Ron Article: 328876 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "t.hoehler" References: Subject: Re: Anyone feeling particularly generous (Where is Bill Gates when you need him?) :) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:02:20 GMT I was given one of these sets back in the sixties by a neighbor. Unfortunately, the set had suffered trauma from being dropped. the case was a mess, but the chassis survived. It was one of the most sensitive, selective AM band radios I have ever owned. I wish I still had it. Regards, Tom "Brenda Ann" wrote in message news:dppdim$bh3$1@news2.kornet.net... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6595037225 > Article: 328877 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: Subject: Re: Clough Brengle CRA Oscilloscope Schematic Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 05:08:47 GMT The C-B model CRA is a really neat o'scope. I like the clear CRT it uses. I wish I had another of the CRTs for the tube collection. 73, Ron http://radioheaven.homestead.com http://cloughbrengle.homestead.com Article: 328878 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 Message-ID: <094wf.53277$yj4.23159@fe13.lga> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:36:52 -0600 "Ken" wrote in message news:xtQvf.44587$Ou3.14070@dukeread09... > Check the binaries. If my records are correct, that's a 116 back. Ken > > Nelson Gietz wrote: > > > Spotted a Philco 38-116 in an antique shop not too far away, at what I think > > is a good price. But I'm curious to know how well the acoustic resonators > > worked in these things, with the open back? Or is the radio supposed to > > have a closed back? > > Cheers, > > Nelson Thanks for the info and encouragement guys (and photo, Ken). This one may be knobless, but the price is very reasonable. I just have to convince other members of the family there is, indeed, space for it. I have several I'd like to move locally but they need refinishing before they're saleable, and the garage is a little coldish for that right now. Wife (she thought it was a joke) suggested I could stack 'em.... Cheers, Nelson Article: 328879 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "40zeffer" Subject: Re: Old radios/old cars Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:23:20 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1136575369.640053.74920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <27974-43BECC45-1355@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> <%vEvf.468$ve2.325@fe23.lga> I too like this group...my daily driver is a '67 pontiac 2+2 conv...428 ..and it is the first year for ponchos to offer multiplex solid state am/fm..plus of course the built in 8 track....my summer car is the 40 zephyr cnv, complete with one stinky flat head v-12..I wish i had kept my old split window 21 window VW, seems to be very popular..hey Pete W., I had the removeable Blaupunct am/fm/sw/weather radio..with slide in mount..I kept it for years as my "transistor" for daily use...now if I could keep that philco in the lincoln working.... jeff sylvania oh. Article: 328880 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Old radios/old cars Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:23:08 -0600 Message-ID: <6884-43C13C6C-51@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: I own a good working/playing Blaupunkt Derby 691 MW/FM/Shortwave/Longwave radio and the way it is made,it can be plugged into a car and used,I bought it a few months ago from a guy in Minnesota.Back in 1958,Oldsmobile and Pontiac offered removable radios in their new automobiles.I think those old Chrysler and Dodge Hemi engines had the best sounding engines,some of those old British cars sound really good too. cuhulin Article: 328881 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: FREE to good home: Philco 46-1201 Bing Crosby Special From: Ron Ramirez Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:56:48 GMT The subject says it all. FREE to good home. You pay only the cost of shipping, unless you live in New Jersey and want to pick it up. Not mine. Photos on binaries. Send me an e-mail and I will forward it to the owner; you two can get together from there. mrphilco AT philcoradio DOT com -- Ron Ramirez - Evansville, Indiana Visit PhilcoRadio.com at http://www.philcoradio.com/ and the Philco Phorum at http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php Article: 328882 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C1480D.8C39536B@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 References: <094wf.53277$yj4.23159@fe13.lga> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:13:13 GMT Nelson Gietz wrote: > > Thanks for the info and encouragement guys (and photo, Ken). This one may > be knobless, but the price is very reasonable. I just have to convince > other members of the family there is, indeed, space for it. I have several > I'd like to move locally but they need refinishing before they're saleable, > and the garage is a little coldish for that right now. Wife (she thought it > was a joke) suggested I could stack 'em.... > Cheers, > Nelson Hang them from the ceiling! -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 328883 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: sillyweasel@webtv.net Subject: Re: Old radios/old cars Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:00:25 -0800 Message-ID: <22421-43C15339-63@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> References: Jeff, If you're not already a member, you might consider joining the Pontiac-Oakland Club International. Membership dues include a full color monthly magazine. I joined in 1974 and have watched it grow from a few hundred members to its current 10,000. You can check out the website at www.poci.org Ron Article: 328884 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: FREE to good home: Philco 46-1201 Bing Crosby Special References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:14:49 -0500 Ron, where's the pic? Ken Ron Ramirez wrote: > The subject says it all. FREE to good home. > > You pay only the cost of shipping, unless you live in New Jersey and want > to pick it up. > > Not mine. > > Photos on binaries. > > Send me an e-mail and I will forward it to the owner; you two can get > together from there. mrphilco AT philcoradio DOT com > > -- > Ron Ramirez - Evansville, Indiana > Visit PhilcoRadio.com at http://www.philcoradio.com/ > and the Philco Phorum at http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php Article: 328885 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1136603660.054375.266180@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Aren't These Predicta Pictures from Someone Elses Web Site? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:13:50 -0500 "jim menning" wrote in message news:yl0wf.28485$7S.2427@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Phil Nelson" wrote in message > news:sKqdnep1646A8l3eRVn-pw@giganews.com... >>> I don't see any pictures of the TV actually working..... >> >> Or of having been "lovingly restored" (chassis looks pretty dusty to me, >> and you can't see whether it has been recapped, etc.). >> >> >> Caveat emptor . . . >> >> Phil Nelson >> >> > > Caveat emptor for sure! He's on at least the 4th major revision of his > listing. > > The set that was supposedly "in storage" is actually in the showroom of > his "antique store". The set is missing it's wrap-around back, the brass > trim bar, and the brass trim ring around the CRT. It no longer "runs like > it is new" that the first listing claimed, and the professional > restoration was done 14 years ago. The description now tells us the > "picture is dark". It's getting farther and farther away from the claim > "This tv is missing the sides of the "pedestal" but otherwise perfect > condition." > > But at least he dropped the price by $100. > > jim menning > Now it's being sold as-is...Be ready to get screwed all right. Syl Article: 328886 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Aren't These Predicta Pictures from Someone Elses Web Site? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:07:52 -0600 Message-ID: <11371-43C17118-257@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: Make a tall Predicta stand,fix it up to be a fish tank.Put a lazy susan on top of the tank and put a tv set on top of the lazy susan.Presto,your very own Predicta. cuhulin Article: 328887 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Sofa Slug Subject: U.S.P.S. Rates Increasing Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:27:12 GMT From Yahoo News: http://snipurl.com/le6j Article: 328888 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:13:27 GMT > > Well, I was going to grab a pair of those gloves, until I noticed that they were > > only for Macintosh amps. I'm still looking for ones I can use with my Quad stuff. > > ... actually Macintosh doesn't make amps, but McIntosh does ... ;-) I wonder what my McIntosh ink pen is worth??? Ron Article: 328889 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: OT: Semi-OT... Mouser Electronics References: <1136511198.124886.288150@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:09:13 -0500 Peter Wieck wrote: > Once more, Mouser comes through. I called them up with some obscure > transistor needs, and some cap needs. After a full 20 minutes on the > phone with me going over application, case-size requirements and > attempts to cross-match proprietary part-numbers, the lady (she was) at > the far end of the line actually came up with exact matches all the way > across. Example: Who here knows what an AMP2947-6813 in a TO-66 case > might be? > > It came to a $50 sale, but even so, I thank her for her persistence and > patience, and the company for keeping her employed at that level of > customer service. This is the second order in as many weeks. The first > time I had the correct numbers. This time the phone was answered: Good > evening Mouser Electronics, Mary speaking. Is this Mr. Wieck? > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > My only "BAD" experience with Mouser was the return of a bad battery. It was a 12v Lead Acid Gelcel for a 6v emergency lamp. It is a heavy unit and the first one they shipped would not take a charge at all. They made me pay for the shipping to return the dead battery and ship a new one. This almost DOUBLED the cost of getting a good unit. I think they should have eaten the shipping cost in both directions, or just told me to chuck the defective battery in the trash (which they probably did when they got it anyway). From now on, I'll try to buy such batteries locally if possible. I'll have to pay more if the local supplier doesn't discount the battery (and sales tax), but not for shipping and I'll be able to return any defective ones. OTOH, Mouser has been great on parts. Still the battery incident has left a bad taste in my mouth for them, and I usually look at Digikey or Jameco first for parts. (Jameco's only sin has been to always stuff a catalog in the box which adds to the shipping weight. A handfull of NTE transistors would have been under the limit for the lowest USPS priority rate, but the DAMN catalog added a few bucks to the shipping cost!) Article: 328890 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jeff Olesen" Subject: Dayfan Model 5040 radio schematics Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <11s34c0gdd3rteb@corp.supernews.com> Anyone have schematics for a Dayfan Model 5040 Table top radio circa 1928? Uses 4 tubes which I think are UVX200(1) and UVX201(3). Looking for schematics ( I have hand drawn ones based on the 20x tubes) and or information on how to read the value on a type 601 capacitor. --------------= Posted using GrabIt =---------------- ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy =--------- -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =- Article: 328891 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jeff Olesen" Subject: Type 60 Capacitor values? Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:32:48 -0500 Message-ID: <11s34o8fqgnqmb9@corp.supernews.com> Anyone know how to read them? Look like sandwiched phenolic material with mica and riveted together with metal c-clamps. Half a dozen in my old radio circa 1928. --------------= Posted using GrabIt =---------------- ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy =--------- -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =- Article: 328892 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" Subject: Free Stuff In S.E. PA Message-ID: <_Agwf.1644$Xo5.379@trnddc02> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:44:10 GMT Hi All, I'm doing some purging of things I'll never get to. I rather see this stuff go to a good home rather than a landfill. So, here is what I have: Philco 70 chassis and cabinet Philco 551 Radio Clock chassis and cabinet GE H-51 Radiola 18 All are without tubes. Cabinets are in need of major work. The Radiola was removed from a Victor 7-11 radio-phonograph, so no cabinet for this one. Could be used for parts or ground up restoration. Email me if interested or any questions. I'm located in Zip 18966 Regards, Mark Article: 328893 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gerald K4NHN" Subject: WCKY Transmitter Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:51:54 GMT Early WCKY transmitter is up for sale. A part of history. FYI http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5849087783&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX Gerald K4NHN Cayce, SC Article: 328894 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: Subject: Re: WCKY Transmitter Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:38:29 GMT "Gerald K4NHN" wrote in message news:eIgwf.4023$ZA2.3804@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Early WCKY transmitter is up for sale. A part of history. > FYI > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5849087783&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX > > Gerald K4NHN > Cayce, SC > I wonder what WCKY would want with a transmitter that's outside of the broadcast band though? This looks too big to backhaul audio to the studio >from a remote location, unless this was part of a very early STL? Most stations used leased phones lines for that though... Interesting nonetheless. -- Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.binghamtonradio.com/gallery/Antique_radios and the workbench webcam: http://www.binghamtonradio.com/webcam Article: 328895 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C1B8AE.21FCB5BB@sympatico.ca> From: John Stewart Subject: Re: WCKY Transmitter References: Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:13:18 -0500 --------------6DFFC0007019B14A1AEE9B25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerald K4NHN wrote: > Early WCKY transmitter is up for sale. A part of history. > FYI > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5849087783&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX > > Gerald K4NHN > Cayce, SC Not sure, but wasn't WCKY in Cincinnati? It used to come into the Toronto area, loud & clear back 50 years ago. Used to listen to WCKY in my '40 Ford Collapsible! Cheers, John Stewart While out in the barn is a '65 Mustang that I bought new. And a Kubota diesel tractor. JLS --------------6DFFC0007019B14A1AEE9B25 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerald K4NHN wrote:
Early WCKY transmitter is up for sale. A part  of history.
FYI
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5849087783&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX

Gerald K4NHN
Cayce, SC

Not sure, but wasn't WCKY in Cincinnati? It used to come into the Toronto area, loud & clear back 50 years ago. Used to listen to WCKY in my '40 Ford Collapsible!

Cheers, John Stewart

While out in the barn is a '65 Mustang that I bought new.
And a Kubota diesel tractor.                        JLS --------------6DFFC0007019B14A1AEE9B25-- Article: 328896 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa /W4 Snowbird) References: <094wf.53277$yj4.23159@fe13.lga> Message-ID: <39kwf.5248$gf7.1917@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 02:47:27 GMT In article <094wf.53277$yj4.23159@fe13.lga>, ngietz@mts.net says... > > > Wife (she thought it was a joke) suggested I could stack 'em.... >Cheers, >Nelson > > seriously ... in my garage I do just that stack consoles with table radios on top of the two high stack... better than passing up this right priced 38-116 ..... or take it and put something much lessor out real cheap as is .... whatever it takes to get the 15 toober Philco you won't be sorry.. John k9uwa /w4 Article: 328897 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" Subject: What gives an old radio that characteristic smell when it is running? Message-ID: <1Wkwf.716528$xm3.294739@attbi_s21> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:39:41 GMT Hello all... Right now I'm listening to the trashpicked Zenith 7C05 (chassis number) and it is still doing great. I've doing that since about 7 PM (CST) tonight as there is a classic country music program on a nearby FM station that is really quite good. Well, doing that brings up a question...just what is that smell that comes >from an operating tube-type set? I notice that all of mine (some wooden, some plastic, and all are table radios) produce a very similar smell when operating. I'm not complaining...just curious... (And please forgive me if I've asked this before.) William Article: 328898 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: eBay's response to the Philco Predicta image theft...... Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:25:51 -0800 Message-ID: A couple of days ago, I sent the following message to ebay's copyright infringement investigators: listing # 6242672049 contains a photo that is not of the actual item for sale and is a copyrighted image taken from http://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-59-PHILCO.htm Their response: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, Thank you for taking the time to write eBay with your concerns. My name is Natania and I'm happy to help you. I have reviewed the information that you provided regarding the use of images or text in item number Item #6242672049, but at this point find that I do not have enough evidence to show that the member has violated any eBay rules. Regrettably, we will only be able to take action if the owner of the images or text writes to us. In some instances, sellers may have obtained permission to use the material. Therefore, we often cannot remove listings based on the representations of third parties whose credentials we cannot verify. We do understand the potential for further issues in this type of situation. That is why, if you feel strongly about this issue, we recommend that you contact the owner of the images or text, and recommend that they contact us directly. Once we hear from them, we will take appropriate action. We appreciate you taking the time to contact us with your concerns. Thank you participating in the eBay community. Regards, Natania Community Watch Team eBay Trust & Safety ------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, I guess it's OK to put in your listing: An image of a used collectable you don't actually have that is substantially different in appearance and functionality from the item you are selling, and: It's also OK to use a copyrighted image as long as the holder never sees it or reports it. Caveat Emptor, indeed. At least I tried..... -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 328899 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Roy Tony Subject: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Anyone actually collect soundsheet records? The records were made of thin flexible sheets of plastic. What was useful about them is they were cheap to make and could never break when dropped. They were also little harder to scratch because the sheet would slide on the turntable if you'd push the needle too hard. They were inserted in magazines, books and even sent through the mail as a music samples. They were the very first "floppy discs"! One sound sheet I have was recorded one side only. That sheet is so thin you could see the loudest sound passages protruding on the blank side. The most common sound sheets I've seen are made by Eva-Tone (Deerfield Ill). The most common title is one put out by Time Life Records titled "The Swing Era" Demonstration Record BG-11769 S7 I have one used by what I think was a dictating machine. The grouves are so close together that even a new needle has trouble staying in it. It's made by Edison Diamond Disc, McGraw Edison Company. I recently came across a record made out of cardboard. One side is the cardboard the other is just shiny enough for grooves. Dancerina: Tchaikovsky selections from Nutcracker Suite. 1968 Mattel inc. Auravision a product of Columbia special products. CSM-7858-2A. I frequently come across them in second-hand stores and flea markets and wondered if there's any value in them? Any special way of storing them? -- Tony Article: 328900 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:14:42 GMT Hi! > Anyone actually collect soundsheet records? The records were made of thin > flexible sheets of plastic. What was useful about them is they were cheap > to make and could never break when dropped. They were also little harder > to scratch because the sheet would slide on the turntable if you'd push > the needle too hard. They were inserted in magazines, books and even sent > through the mail as a music samples. They were the very first "floppy > discs"! Wow...all these years I've wondered what those were called. When I was very young I saw one that my parents played on their turntable. (This would have been in the mid/late 1980s or so...) It was a square flexible plastic record. (The recorded part was round, of course. It was the body that was square.) I remember that it didn't sound very good and may have been some kind of advertisement. If memory serves it was made of a clearish plastic, almost like a transparency. Not sure what speed it played back at... I think this one was recorded on only one side as well. All I know is that is disappeared (probably to the trash) and that I found it be unique. William Article: 328901 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Roy Tony Subject: Help date this Magnavox Micromatic Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: I came across a Magnavox Micromatic Stereophonic console. It has a AM FM stereo built in. It says it was made in made in England. But doesn't say anything else like the model number. It weighs about 40lbs. The speakers are connected by the inges of the cabinet speakers. It works in way I've never seen before. The record player finds out the size of the records by moving the tone arm in the air towards the records that are waiting to fall. It taps them with the tone arm to knows the record size. It then lets one fall and then puts the tone arm on the record with the audio muted until after it hits the records. It'd like to know the model number and the year it was manufactured. -- Tony Article: 328902 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Roy Tony Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: William R. Walsh wrote: > Hi! >> Anyone actually collect soundsheet records? The records were made of thin >> flexible sheets of plastic. What was useful about them is they were cheap >> to make and could never break when dropped. They were also little harder >> to scratch because the sheet would slide on the turntable if you'd push >> the needle too hard. They were inserted in magazines, books and even sent >> through the mail as a music samples. They were the very first "floppy >> discs"! > Wow...all these years I've wondered what those were called. When I was very > young I saw one that my parents played on their turntable. (This would have > been in the mid/late 1980s or so...) It was a square flexible plastic > record. (The recorded part was round, of course. It was the body that was > square.) I remember that it didn't sound very good and may have been some > kind of advertisement. If memory serves it was made of a clearish plastic, > almost like a transparency. Not sure what speed it played back at... Any speed is possible. The bad sound quality is sometimes due to the turntable itself. Some turntable have bumps on it and plastic sound sheets bend when the needle slides on the record. > I think this one was recorded on only one side as well. All I know is that > is disappeared (probably to the trash) and that I found it be unique. > William -- Tony t2k@vcn.bc.ca Article: 328903 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Crazy George" References: Subject: Re: WCKY Transmitter Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 22:27:54 -0600 Message-ID: <43c1e6bb@kcnews01> Jon: There were and still are a few STLs around 25 - 27 MHz. I used to listen to a local one which turned out to be about 1/2 of the local ham frequency of 53 MHz back in the 1950s. So it must have been 26.5 MHz. We had occasional problems when someone mistuned a 53 MHz transmitter and the half frequency output would be heard by the station. I seem to recall reading about a FL station in Popular Communications a couple of years ago which is still using a HF link in that frequency range. OTOH, that might just have been a dispatch radio. AM was used before WW2 quite extensively. Link and Motorola made FM the modulation of choice for mobile radio in the late 30s and on into WW2. I have seen Motorola 30.xxx MHz AM receivers for two way service from about 1940. -- Crazy George W5VPQ My real address is my ham call ARRL.NET The ATTGlobal is a SPAM trap. "Jon" wrote in message news:Vnhwf.77916$XC4.54297@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > "Gerald K4NHN" wrote in message > news:eIgwf.4023$ZA2.3804@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... >> Early WCKY transmitter is up for sale. A part of history. >> FYI >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5849087783&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX >> >> Gerald K4NHN >> Cayce, SC >> > > I wonder what WCKY would want with a transmitter that's outside of the > broadcast band though? This looks too big to backhaul audio to the studio > from a remote location, unless this was part of a very early STL? Most > stations used leased phones lines for that though... Interesting > nonetheless. > > -- > Jon Scaptura > Endicott, NY > > See my antique radios here: > http://www.binghamtonradio.com/gallery/Antique_radios > and the workbench webcam: > http://www.binghamtonradio.com/webcam > > Article: 328904 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DaveW Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) References: <0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com> <-rednVgSUaQjdVzeRVn-gA@velocitywest.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:09:06 GMT Somewhere around here, I have a plastic on cardboard record that is from a now defunct (I think) outfit called "Chicken Delight". They were a fried chicken chain that delivered like pizza places do. It was somewhat novel in the 1960s. The record is of a tune called "ding-a-ling" or something like that, referring to the telephone for food concept. Very late 1960s mod yellow and orange motif. It was actually part of the cover for a bucket of chicken, IIRC, though there doesn't appear to be any grease on it. Lost to the time gods is my brother's copy of "It's a Gas" which was an insert in Mad Magazine. Jazzy music with belches.... Best Regards, DAve Article: 328905 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:57:07 -0500 "graham" wrote in message news:GuOdnfKIcYLz7l3eRVn-gQ@comcast.com... > >> Well, I was going to grab a pair of those gloves, until I noticed that >> they were only for Macintosh amps. I'm still looking for ones I can use >> with my Quad stuff. > > > ... actually Macintosh doesn't make amps, but McIntosh does ... ;-) 2 trew, dood. Mea Typo! My brother in Barbados tells me that they only get "Macintotch" on the Island. Article: 328906 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <1136576411.678121.32780@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11s119vkj8ot2a9@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: More Phoolery.... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:00:26 -0500 "- exray -" wrote in message news:11s119vkj8ot2a9@corp.supernews.com... > If you buy high end gloves are there some lesser gloves included for > handling them? > > -Bill No, Bill, because that would be silly... Article: 328907 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DaveW Subject: Zenith 2 spindle 7" phono Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:25:58 GMT Has anyone ever seen one of these strange beasts? http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Vintage-ZENITH-Twin-Seven-Radio-Phono-Cobramatic_W0QQitemZ6593489471QQcategoryZ38035QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Article: 328908 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Free Stuff In S.E. PA From: Ron Ramirez References: <_Agwf.1644$Xo5.379@trnddc02> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 05:44:31 GMT Mark, I sent you an e-mail on this subject. Please advise if it does not go through...thanks very much. -- Ron Ramirez - Evansville, Indiana Visit PhilcoRadio.com at http://www.philcoradio.com/ and the Philco Phorum at http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php "Mark Robinson" wrote in news:_Agwf.1644$Xo5.379@trnddc02: > Hi All, > > I'm doing some purging of things I'll never get to. I rather see this > stuff go to a good home rather than a landfill. So, here is what I > have: > > Philco 70 chassis and cabinet > Philco 551 Radio Clock chassis and cabinet > GE H-51 > Radiola 18 > > All are without tubes. Cabinets are in need of major work. The > Radiola was removed from a Victor 7-11 radio-phonograph, so no cabinet > for this one. Could be used for parts or ground up restoration. Email > me if interested or any questions. I'm located in Zip 18966 > > Regards, > > Mark Article: 328909 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Phil Witt Subject: Re: What gives an old radio that characteristic smell when it is running? Message-ID: References: <1Wkwf.716528$xm3.294739@attbi_s21> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:47:00 -0600 On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:39:41 GMT, "William R. Walsh" wrote: >Hello all... > >Right now I'm listening to the trashpicked Zenith 7C05 (chassis number) and >it is still doing great. I've doing that since about 7 PM (CST) tonight as >there is a classic country music program on a nearby FM station that is >really quite good. > >Well, doing that brings up a question...just what is that smell that comes >from an operating tube-type set? I notice that all of mine (some wooden, >some plastic, and all are table radios) produce a very similar smell when >operating. > Could be reactivation of the mouse pee, especially true in consoles. Article: 328910 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Shortwave Broadcasts for Your Old Radio? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:18:22 -0600 Message-ID: <27116-43C2002E-410@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: I am only sixty four years young,born,November 5,1941.I have always wished I had been old enough to have been in the Battle of the Bulge.Something I would like to listen to (and own) are some recordings of actual Dogfights in the Air between the Allies and the Axis,Aircraft and Tower broadcast. cuhulin Article: 328911 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave Burson" References: <_Agwf.1644$Xo5.379@trnddc02> Subject: Re: Free Stuff In S.E. PA Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:42:50 GMT My email to you was undeliverable. I'd appreciate if you'd contact me. Dave Burson "Mark Robinson" wrote in message news:_Agwf.1644$Xo5.379@trnddc02... > Hi All, > > I'm doing some purging of things I'll never get to. I rather see this > stuff > go to a good home rather than a landfill. So, here is what I have: > > Philco 70 chassis and cabinet > Philco 551 Radio Clock chassis and cabinet > GE H-51 > Radiola 18 > > All are without tubes. Cabinets are in need of major work. The Radiola > was > removed from a Victor 7-11 radio-phonograph, so no cabinet for this one. > Could be used for parts or ground up restoration. Email me if interested > or > any questions. I'm located in Zip 18966 > > Regards, > > Mark > > > Article: 328912 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: What gives an old radio that characteristic smell when it is Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 01:19:29 -0600 Message-ID: <27118-43C20E81-21@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: Dirt dobbers. cuhulin Article: 328913 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:33:26 -0800 Message-ID: References: <0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > MAD magazine produced two, of excerpts from their LPs. There was actually at least three, one of which was an audio performance of MAD's "All in the family" parody and not released anywhere else. Pretty funny, as I recall. These soundsheets were included as bonuses in a few of the MAD Specials of the 1960s and 1970s in lieu of the posters and stickers that were usually included. Much later, MAD bundled a thinly disguised AOL sign-up CD containing at least two of the tracks from its vintage soundsheets into one of its regular issues...."It's a gas" was one track I remember, and "Barely Alive", a take-off on the Bee Gees "Stayin' Alive" was another. IIRC, the CD also contained a copy of the same MAD database that was used in "The complete MAD" compilation CDs. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 328914 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:42:29 -0800 Message-ID: References: <0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: >>I frequently come across them in second-hand stores and flea markets and >>wondered if there's any value in them? Any special way of storing them? > > > I'm sure someone must collect them. > > I can think of a few to keep an eye out for... > > I seem to remember plastic-on-cardboard records on the back of cereal boxes > (Wheaties?). > Stereo Review produced two -- a mono recording of Glen Gould's"So You Want > to Write a Fugue?" and a stereo recording of Mirela Freni. > MAD magazine produced two, of excerpts from their LPs. > > There is one that I know is really valuable, worth hundreds to the right collector. It is a recording of the Rolling Stones and a couple of other artists that was bundled into an issue of a Guitar Player-like magazine in the early 1970s. For some reason, the Stones track on this disc has NEVER been released anywhere else and the magazine containing the disc sold poorly, making the disc as rare as a 40 year old virgin and one of the holy grails of Stones memoribilia collectables. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 328915 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com> <-rednVgSUaQjdVzeRVn-gA@velocitywest.com> Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 02:43:13 -0600 "DaveW" wrote in message news:Sdmwf.1793$Xo5.661@trnddc02... > Somewhere around here, I have a plastic on cardboard record that is from > a now defunct (I think) outfit called "Chicken Delight". They were a > fried chicken chain that delivered like pizza places do. It was somewhat > novel in the 1960s. > > The record is of a tune called "ding-a-ling" or something like that, > referring to the telephone for food concept. Very late 1960s mod yellow > and orange motif. It was actually part of the cover for a bucket of > chicken, IIRC, though there doesn't appear to be any grease on it. > > Lost to the time gods is my brother's copy of "It's a Gas" which was an > insert in Mad Magazine. Jazzy music with belches.... > > Best Regards, > > DAve Dave, Chicken Delight is not defunct here in Winnipeg, and we sometimes find it a nice variation on the "Colonel". Anyway, I remember voicing a pep talk kind of piece for the sales dept. of a very large Canadian insurance company back in about 1969 or so. Think I might still have my own souvenir copy of the plastic "floppy" the salesmen threw away. Nelson Article: 328916 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bram Stolk" References: Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:45:40 +0100 Message-ID: <43c2308e$0$74517$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl> Howdy youngsters,... I remember as a kid we used to have 78 Rpm (speed and size) records made out of brownish carton coated with some early vinyl. These records were very subject to temp or moist and really started to warpp so we had to put a rubber grommet on the turntable spindle to hold the record in a more or less flat condition. Production dates of these things were well before World War II and to the best of I can recall, all of US origin and rather hard to get here in the Netherlands. Playback quality was awfull and when played with the ordinary heavy weight acoustical tonearms the records did not survive very long. With time, parts of the foil containing the grooves came loose >from its backing carton. Yes indeed, it were those early days 12 Inch Single Sided Read Only Floppy Disks !!!! -- Bram Stolk the Netherlands ...If you want to grow old as a pilot, you have got to know when to push it, and when to back off...(Free to Chuck Yeager) "Roy Tony" schreef in bericht news:dpsn7o$jfr$3@luna.vcn.bc.ca... > Anyone actually collect soundsheet records? The records were made of thin > flexible sheets of plastic. What was useful about them is they were cheap > to make and could never break when dropped. They were also little harder > to scratch because the sheet would slide on the turntable if you'd push > the needle too hard. They were inserted in magazines, books and even sent > through the mail as a music samples. They were the very first "floppy > discs"! > One sound sheet I have was recorded one side only. That sheet is so thin > you could see the loudest sound passages protruding on the blank side. > > The most common sound sheets I've seen are made by Eva-Tone > (Deerfield Ill). > The most common title is one put out by Time Life Records titled > "The Swing Era" Demonstration Record BG-11769 S7 > > I have one used by what I think was a dictating machine. The grouves are > so close together that even a new needle has trouble staying in it. > It's made by Edison Diamond Disc, McGraw Edison Company. > > I recently came across a record made out of cardboard. One side is the > cardboard the other is just shiny enough for grooves. > Dancerina: Tchaikovsky selections from Nutcracker Suite. 1968 Mattel inc. > Auravision a product of Columbia special products. CSM-7858-2A. > > I frequently come across them in second-hand stores and flea markets and > wondered if there's any value in them? Any special way of storing them? > > -- > Tony Article: 328917 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: tube collectors? Message-ID: <66h4s19m10vrnjuu6eeuri827mgkk62mm4@4ax.com> References: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:11:46 GMT I happen to have two of them, apparently NIB. Anyone got specs for them? Gordon Richmond Article: 328918 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Clive" Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:24:50 +0100 Message-ID: References: <43c2308e$0$74517$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl> "Bram Stolk" wrote in message news:43c2308e$0$74517$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl... > Howdy youngsters,... > I remember as a kid we used to have 78 Rpm (speed and size) records made out > of brownish carton coated with some early vinyl. My father collected a few of these back in the late 1950's, I guess they must have been some of the first 'flexi-disks' produced running at 78rpm on clear, square sheets of plastic. Containing some skiffle tracks which date them to around 58-59 I guess. //Clive. Article: 328919 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Old radios/old cars Message-ID: References: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:30:38 GMT Well, I also have a large assortment of Studebakers, both cars and trucks, and a "faux" MB Jeep under construction. Gordon Richmond Article: 328920 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Clive" Subject: Re: Gluing dial glass Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:38:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1136746852.063236.319310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> "Terry S" wrote in message news:1136746852.063236.319310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > My Tesla 308U chassis arrived yesterday, with a broken dial glass as I > knew it would. > > Has anyone had success supergluing a dial glass? This one has a > perfectly clean break, no chips, spider cracks, etc. And the graphics > on it are excellent, better than any of the other 4 in my collection. > Sharp lettering, bright colors. > I once made a passable repair on an old dial glass using some glass-glue I bought from an automotive shop. The problem is defraction though, even though the glass broke cleanly, the crack is still very obvious when looked at in a certain light because of the change in the refractive index over the crack. The cause of the crack was down to my ham-fistedness and also the extremely tight metal clips which held the glass in place, so I strengthened the whole dial glass with 'lolly sticks' over the edges where they could not be seen. All in all, you have to look carefully to see the crack. //Clive. Article: 328921 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Clive" Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:09:54 +0100 Message-ID: References: "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:E-ednYe_PuV00l_eRVn-gw@comcast.com... > > Any speed is possible. > > Yes, but... The plastic was not thick enough to support the depth of a 78 > groove. > > Well these one sure were ! Although I guess they were made for some a little more caring then the needle on old wind-up gramaphones. They still play OK today, though I keep them held between some heavy books as the plastic is starting to warp. //Clive. Article: 328922 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: OT: Semi-OT... Mouser Electronics Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:20:41 -0400 Message-ID: <11s4l8rotf3875e@corp.supernews.com> References: <1136511198.124886.288150@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <6fc7125b9c71812b995d0c5e81c450ca@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1136668826.133511.269030@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> tombrown@jhu.edu wrote: > Pete_O wrote: > >>Great company; Their mini audio xfmrs can easily be hidden in a TRF. When I >>find the originals I'll remove 'em. > > > Which xfrmrs are these? Searching their site for audio transformers I > get nearly 3,000 hits, organized only by manufacturer. Just show me the > bargains! > Try 42TU002 or 42TU012. Rating is 100vdc but you typically don't have that on the detector plate...and I've had no problem using them at 135 v B+ on the audio tubes. -Bill Article: 328923 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: When did PC boards start to appear?? Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:24:27 -0400 Message-ID: <11s4lfso821fl39@corp.supernews.com> References: <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Bob Armstrong wrote: > tubes, built on PC boards. Can anybody give any examples that can date > it more precisely than this? Anybody got any tube gear from the early > to mid 50s with PC boards in it? Both Hallicrafters and GE were pushing little AM table radios using a printed circuit board in the early 50s. I can't recall any specific model numbers, though. -Bill Article: 328924 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: ethics of radio to guitar amp conversion References: <1136766528.931620.156300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <7gtwf.54624$Ou3.35893@dukeread09> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:09:13 -0500 Seems like you've justified the execution. Ken waldo2384@hotmail.com wrote: > I just won an adorable little red Temple superhet metal midget on ebay. > I intend to strip it down to the chassis and cabinet, into which I will > build the cutest little one watt guitar amp you've ever seen. I am > sympathetic with the preservationist ideal but... > > a) any collector who wanted this could have outbid me on ebay > > b) I will preserve the original appearance of the metal cabinet, but it > is hard for me to see the guts of this cheapie as having much > historical value. When I'm dead, the next guy can always restore the > thing back into the crappy little AM radio it used to be, if he wants, > assuming that AM broadcast radio still even exists by then. > Article: 328925 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bartley Subject: Re: A BIT Gaudy Perhaps? References: <11rufmhsq6n3bdf@corp.supernews.com> <1136740312.854690.112010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:40:05 -0500 AB9GO wrote: You have to buy a card to DECODE the prices! The code was 2 > words that did not have repeating letters. The first letter =1, 2nd =2 > etc. Do not remember the code words anymore and I am sure he has > changed them sine the last time I visitied. When I worked at an auto parts store in the early 80's, everything was priced manually. We had a price labelling gun which printed two lines of pricing. The top line was in dollars and cents and the second line was in letters. The word "PATHFINDER" represented the numbers "1234567890" and was the discounted trade or garage price shown on the second line while the top line showed the retail price and was readable without decoding. -- regards from :: John Bartley 43 Norway Spruce Street Stittsville, Ontario Canada, K2S1P5 ( If you slow down it takes longer - does that apply to life also?) Article: 328926 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bartley Subject: Re: When did PC boards start to appear?? References: <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:53:24 -0500 Bob Armstrong wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I'm doing some research for a project, and I'm trying to date when > printed circuit boards started to be used in equipment. It seems like > all electronics up thru at least the 40s was point to point wired, but > by the mid 60s I can remember lots of equipment, still with vacuum > tubes, built on PC boards. Can anybody give any examples that can date > it more precisely than this? Anybody got any tube gear from the early > to mid 50s with PC boards in it? RCA built a little table radio known as the Nipper. A few years ago I had two Nippers here which looked identical. I rebuilt the first one, a "Nipper IV", repaired the cabinet (which was really bad) and sold it on eBay as a "deco'd" unit (for lack of a better term) http://www3.sympatico.ca/oldrad/Radio/after.jpg because I had two of them and the cabinet on the second one looked better. The second one turned out to be a PC board unit while the first one was a conventional aluminum chassis. They were about 1954 units IIRC. -- regards from :: John Bartley 43 Norway Spruce Street Stittsville, Ontario Canada, K2S1P5 ( If you slow down it takes longer - does that apply to life also?) Article: 328927 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Old radios/old cars Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:27:34 -0600 Message-ID: <407-43C272D6-358@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: www.willystech.com (Parts Board/Parts for sale) www.jeepdraw.com www.jeepdoc.com www.google.com Brian's World War Two Military Jeeps There are many,many other Jeep parts suppliers/stores listed on the internet too.I never owned a Studebaker car or truck before,but I do own a Studebaker "Bullet" from the center nose section from an early 1950's Studebaker car and I do own a Studebaker radiator temperture gage/radiator cap like the kind that was used on very early Studebaker cars back in the 1920's and 1930's,both items are in excellent condition.I think the late 1940's and early 1950's Studebakers were the best looking Studebakers,especially the 1950 and 1951 Studebaker cars with the wrap around windows and venetian blinds in the windows. cuhulin Article: 328928 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Old radios/old cars Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:48:28 -0600 Message-ID: <407-43C277BC-367@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: Any photos of your "faux" MB Jeep under construction? I have some photos of my built in the Springtime of 1942 Willys Jeep the guy emailed me just before I bought the Jeep from him ,the guy I bought my 1942 Willys Jeep from.I put them in another one of my webtv user name addresses.Someone before him had installed the wrong grill on the Jeep (originally,it had a welded steel slat grill on it) and it has a later model gas tank inlet on the drivers side that someone had installed on the side of the Jeep.I also own a 1948 Willys civilian Jeep.Hotchkiss company,France was building World War Two era Jeeps under license up to in the 1960's.During World War Two,there was an underground Jeep assembly plant in England.A guy who works in the parts department at a Volvo truck dealership here in Jackson owns a World War Two Jeep that he restored.There were other companies in U.S.A.that built some Jeeps such as Bantam and Checker before the final Jeep design was settled on for production.The History of Willys and Ford (Ford built about half of the World War Two era Jeeps) World War Two Jeeps is very interesting,at least to me it is. cuhulin Article: 328929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C27B39.646D3F3E@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: WCKY Transmitter References: <43C1B8AE.21FCB5BB@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:03:48 GMT John Stewart wrote: > > Not sure, but wasn't WCKY in Cincinnati? It used to come into the > Toronto area, loud & clear back 50 years ago. Used to listen to WCKY > in my '40 Ford Collapsible! I sure hope so. That is where the antenna was. Also, WCKY used to be on 1530 KC, so the transmitter could have been used as a low power backup. WCKY was traded for WSAI, who was on 1360 KC for decades. WCKY: 8044 Montgomery Rd # 650, Cincinnati, 45236 -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 328930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "G. Wilson" Subject: schematic needed Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:16:17 -0700 Message-ID: Help : schematic or manual needed for Marconi CSR - 2 Any hints or leads appreciated , thanks !! Gordon gandmwilson@interbaun.com Article: 328931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: So what is on AM these days ? Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:03:26 -0600 Message-ID: <408-43C27B3E-114@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1136795380.781652.38980@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I used to subscribe to Time Warner cable tv and sometimes I would see those test thingys on my tv set.Nowdays,I subscribe to DirecTV.(over 140 channels I get and I only watch a few of them for old,old movies I like) I haven't seen any of those test thingys on DirecTV yet.Perhaps they are on a channel I do not watch.I own a Linkys Wireless B Music System internet Radio.I can use it connected to my computer or I can use it wirelessly,it works ok.I bought it at a local Wal Mart store for $159.00.Do an innternet search for,Watch free tv on your computer. cuhulin Article: 328932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: FREE to good home: Philco 46-1201 Bing Crosby Special From: Ron Ramirez References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:26:23 GMT The 46-1201 has been spoken for. Thanks for your interest. -- Ron Ramirez - Evansville, Indiana Visit PhilcoRadio.com at http://www.philcoradio.com/ and the Philco Phorum at http://philcoradio.com/phpBB2/index.php Article: 328933 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: A BIT Gaudy Perhaps? References: <11rufmhsq6n3bdf@corp.supernews.com> <1136740312.854690.112010@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:44:27 -0600 John Bartley wrote: > AB9GO wrote: > You have to buy a card to DECODE the prices! The code was 2 > >> words that did not have repeating letters. The first letter =1, 2nd =2 >> etc. Do not remember the code words anymore and I am sure he has >> changed them sine the last time I visitied. > > > > When I worked at an auto parts store in the early 80's, everything was > priced manually. We had a price labelling gun which printed two lines of > pricing. The top line was in dollars and cents and the second line was > in letters. The word "PATHFINDER" represented the numbers "1234567890" > and was the discounted trade or garage price shown on the second line > while the top line showed the retail price and was readable without > decoding. > Pawn shops use a similar scheme. I used to know the two decyper keys used locally, one of which was 'MARIECANP' (Marie can pee). I don't recall, any more, what the resulting numbers represent; except it was a combination of the price originally paid for the item, plus the date of aquisition by the pawn shop. Savvy shoppers used the info in order to make an acceptable offer on the merchandise. Not as savvy as I once was, I guess. Article: 328934 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) References: <0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:52:05 -0600 Mike Schultz wrote: > There were two of these which featured the Beatles, both promos for the > Capitol Record Club. One was on paper, one was on plastic. They are worth > big bucks, depending on condition and how much of the original material is > with them. I had one of the paper ones, complete, in near mint condition > which I got about $700 for. > I wonder if the one I have (somewhere) is worth anything.... It was campaign material for Nixon's presidential re-election, with speech excerpts. jak Article: 328935 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C2864B.2000002@sympatico.ca> From: John Bartley Subject: Re: schematic needed References: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:50:35 -0500 G. Wilson wrote: > Help : schematic or manual needed for Marconi CSR - 2 > Any hints or leads appreciated , thanks !! > Gordon > gandmwilson@interbaun.com Gordon, I would love to help you with obtaining a manual as I am also searching for one and have been for about five years now. The closest I've been to one is photocopies of the sales literature that the Museum of Science and Technology in Ottawa has in their library. Copies of this to you at your request if you wish. I have an almost factory mint, unmolested rack mount CSR2 with matching power supply and speaker, speaker has the factory 1937 quality control inspection tag with it. If you would like photos, or circuit sections traced (not the whole thing please :~) ) just let me know. I would very much appreciate any help that you could share in obtaining service info and would be only too happy to share any costs that are incurred in getting GOOD copies (preferably electronic and hi-resolution) Do I sound desperate ?? There's a reason :~) cheers -- regards from :: John Bartley 43 Norway Spruce Street Stittsville, Ontario Canada, K2S1P5 ( If you slow down it takes longer - does that apply to life also?) Article: 328936 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: <1136766528.931620.156300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: ethics of radio to guitar amp conversion Message-ID: <7lwwf.2070$Xo5.1559@trnddc02> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:39:31 GMT I just converted a 1964 Fender Strat to an AM radio. Doesn't sound too good, but it looks adorable. (Just kidding! You own it now, have fun!) -- Mike Schultz wrote in message news:1136766528.931620.156300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I just won an adorable little red Temple superhet metal midget on ebay. > I intend to strip it down to the chassis and cabinet, into which I will > build the cutest little one watt guitar amp you've ever seen. I am > sympathetic with the preservationist ideal but... > > a) any collector who wanted this could have outbid me on ebay > > b) I will preserve the original appearance of the metal cabinet, but it > is hard for me to see the guts of this cheapie as having much > historical value. When I'm dead, the next guy can always restore the > thing back into the crappy little AM radio it used to be, if he wants, > assuming that AM broadcast radio still even exists by then. > Article: 328937 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: ethics of radio to guitar amp conversion Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:10:18 -0400 Message-ID: <11s567r6a45e8e7@corp.supernews.com> References: <1136766528.931620.156300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <7lwwf.2070$Xo5.1559@trnddc02> Mike Schultz wrote: > I just converted a 1964 Fender Strat to an AM radio. Doesn't sound too > good, but it looks adorable. They look great when painted Paris-cottage shabby chic. You can replace the strings with little artificial ivy vines and it will look just ADORABLE! -ex Article: 328938 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carter, K8VT" Subject: Re: ethics of radio to guitar amp conversion References: <1136766528.931620.156300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:50:40 GMT waldo2384@hotmail.com wrote: > I just won an adorable little red Temple superhet metal midget on ebay. > I intend to strip it down to the chassis and cabinet, into which I will > build the cutest little one watt guitar amp you've ever seen. I am > sympathetic with the preservationist ideal but... > > a) any collector who wanted this could have outbid me on ebay > > b) I will preserve the original appearance of the metal cabinet, but it > is hard for me to see the guts of this cheapie as having much > historical value. When I'm dead, the next guy can always restore the > thing back into the crappy little AM radio it used to be, if he wants, > assuming that AM broadcast radio still even exists by then. a) Sounds like you've already made up your mind and are just trying to ease your conscience b) Pardon me, but I have to ask...What ever can you do with a crappy little *one watt* guitar amplifier (even if it is cute)?????? Article: 328939 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carter, K8VT" Subject: Re: Gluing dial glass? References: <1136729808.558290.322390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1136824162.693517.212530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <9wxwf.75555$tV6.61746@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:59:33 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > Side Note: > > Krylon Fixitif (Again, accept no others) is a reliable material to > spray on painted/drawn/silk-screened substrates to fix the graphics in > place against casual handling. Do NOT over spray as the solvents may > affect some pigments or dyes if overdone. Peter, surprised you recommended this. I believe the Krylon product is essentially lacquer with its associated solvent-lacquer thinner. If the dial is as delicate as the original poster says, would you want *any* amount of lacquer thinner anywhere near it??? Otherwise, your procedure for the glue-up sounds good... Article: 328940 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <1136730046.080943.270430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Damn Google... try again... Gluing a dial glass. Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:23:15 -0600 "Terry S" wrote in message news:1136730046.080943.270430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I hope this doesn't actually get posted multiple times... > > Has anyone had real success gluing a cracked dial glass? > > I just got my Tesla Talisman chassis yesterday in the mail, the dial > glass id broken *neatly* in half. Even still, it's probably the best > example of these dials I have, in terms of color, sharpness of the > lettering, and cleanliness. (You can NOT clean them, the lettering > comes right off). > > Not a chip missing, no spider cracks, just a clean break. I was > thinking theoretically, I should be able to superglue this, fill the > entire crack with the thin type glue, and make it nearly invisible. I > did try it once before on a dial where the break was not so clean. It > held but only for a few weeks, and was visible. > > Any ideas? > > Terry. Terry, Just a WAG... but don't the guys who deal with optics like cameras and telescopes use adhesive with the same or near refractive index as glass? There also was something called "water glass" that I've heard of. Haven't Googled either one, but it might provide some direction to look. Even if they aren't physically strong, you might be able to reinforce the edge of the dial glass where it's out of sight to hold it together. -Might be worth a look, anyway. Nelson Article: 328941 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:27:57 GMT My parents have a record that was recorded by my uncle during World War II. During World War II, my Mom moved to Washington DC from New Jersey to be a "government girl." She and my Dad married in 1948. During the war my uncle Frank served in the Navy in the South Pacific. This record was a form of "living letter" where Uncle Frank told Mom of how he was doing, and wishing her well. One line says something like, "If you happen to see President Roosevelt, please tell him to hurry up and get this war over with." It's been awhile since I've seen this record, but as I recall it's some sort of clear acetate over cardboard. It defintely plays at 78rpm. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Roy Tony" wrote in message news:dpsn7o$jfr$3@luna.vcn.bc.ca... > Anyone actually collect soundsheet records? The records were made of thin > flexible sheets of plastic. What was useful about them is they were cheap > to make and could never break when dropped. They were also little harder > to scratch because the sheet would slide on the turntable if you'd push > the needle too hard. They were inserted in magazines, books and even sent > through the mail as a music samples. They were the very first "floppy > discs"! > One sound sheet I have was recorded one side only. That sheet is so thin > you could see the loudest sound passages protruding on the blank side. > > The most common sound sheets I've seen are made by Eva-Tone > (Deerfield Ill). > The most common title is one put out by Time Life Records titled > "The Swing Era" Demonstration Record BG-11769 S7 > > I have one used by what I think was a dictating machine. The grouves are > so close together that even a new needle has trouble staying in it. > It's made by Edison Diamond Disc, McGraw Edison Company. > > I recently came across a record made out of cardboard. One side is the > cardboard the other is just shiny enough for grooves. > Dancerina: Tchaikovsky selections from Nutcracker Suite. 1968 Mattel inc. > Auravision a product of Columbia special products. CSM-7858-2A. > > I frequently come across them in second-hand stores and flea markets and > wondered if there's any value in them? Any special way of storing them? > > -- > Tony Article: 328942 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:24:29 -0500 Message-ID: These 78 RPM 10" type of "self" recordings were sometimes made in record stores that had recording booths! Others were made at home on disc cutting machines sold by Silvertone, Philco and Wilcox-Gay ("Recordio" brand, Charlotte, Michigan). I think Airline had a record cutter too, it may have been supplied by W-G. The home record cutting machines date from 1939-1948 mostly. Coincident with that was "wire recording" as well. Tape recording came along after 1948 and made the disc machines obsolete. these records were made on blanks that were acetate over aluminum or pasteboard/card stock of some kind. my buddy Dan Gutowski does a lot of disc transferring to CD, and many of these we get in are old home recordings that vary from speech only to full musical performances. Many of these are quite challenging to transfer as they deteriorate or have been treated so badly. Others last quite well. Many folks chose to record important events on them such as the coronation of Queen Elizabeth in 1952, or the death of president Roosevelt. the best ones are the home musical performances.. we have heard some amazing stuff... one teen did a great Elvis routine... in 1957! Its fun to seek these self recordings out at flea markets and see what they have on them. You can spot the discs as the lables have a blank area to write in. Many of the discs will say Wilcox Gay or Audiodisc or something like that. I have one from the "Plymouth Music Store" that must have existed here in my little town. Unfortunately, its just a blank. Mark Oppat "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:NWxwf.700$ee6.230@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > My parents have a record that was recorded by my uncle during World War II. > > During World War II, my Mom moved to Washington DC from New Jersey to be a > "government girl." She and my Dad married in 1948. During the war my uncle > Frank served in the Navy in the South Pacific. This record was a form of > "living letter" where Uncle Frank told Mom of how he was doing, and wishing > her well. One line says something like, "If you happen to see President > Roosevelt, please tell him to hurry up and get this war over with." It's > been awhile since I've seen this record, but as I recall it's some sort of > clear acetate over cardboard. It defintely plays at 78rpm. > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > "Roy Tony" wrote in message > news:dpsn7o$jfr$3@luna.vcn.bc.ca... > > Anyone actually collect soundsheet records? The records were made of thin > > flexible sheets of plastic. What was useful about them is they were cheap > > to make and could never break when dropped. They were also little harder > > to scratch because the sheet would slide on the turntable if you'd push > > the needle too hard. They were inserted in magazines, books and even sent > > through the mail as a music samples. They were the very first "floppy > > discs"! > > One sound sheet I have was recorded one side only. That sheet is so thin > > you could see the loudest sound passages protruding on the blank side. > > > > The most common sound sheets I've seen are made by Eva-Tone > > (Deerfield Ill). > > The most common title is one put out by Time Life Records titled > > "The Swing Era" Demonstration Record BG-11769 S7 > > > > I have one used by what I think was a dictating machine. The grouves are > > so close together that even a new needle has trouble staying in it. > > It's made by Edison Diamond Disc, McGraw Edison Company. > > > > I recently came across a record made out of cardboard. One side is the > > cardboard the other is just shiny enough for grooves. > > Dancerina: Tchaikovsky selections from Nutcracker Suite. 1968 Mattel inc. > > Auravision a product of Columbia special products. CSM-7858-2A. > > > > I frequently come across them in second-hand stores and flea markets and > > wondered if there's any value in them? Any special way of storing them? > > > > -- > > Tony > > > Article: 328943 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com> Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:29:42 -0500 Message-ID: there was another small flexi-disc product sold out of vending machines around 1969, it was called the "Poketdisc" I think. I had two of them. They were 4" size, and fit in a little pasteboard sleeve. They were hard to play as reject mechinisms on changers wouldnt allow them to play to the end, or at all. I dont recall if they ran at 33 rpm, I think they did. They were very flimsy so the audio was not so good. The concept died out fast, and they, along with all the other flexi-discs and cereal box promos, are very collectable today. I recall an article about this field of collecting... it might have been in one of the collector rags like "Discoveries" or "Gold Mine". Mark Oppat "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com... > > I frequently come across them in second-hand stores and flea markets and > > wondered if there's any value in them? Any special way of storing them? > > I'm sure someone must collect them. > > I can think of a few to keep an eye out for... > > I seem to remember plastic-on-cardboard records on the back of cereal boxes > (Wheaties?). > Stereo Review produced two -- a mono recording of Glen Gould's"So You Want > to Write a Fugue?" and a stereo recording of Mirela Freni. > MAD magazine produced two, of excerpts from their LPs. > > > Article: 328944 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com> Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:33:23 -0500 Message-ID: just found a bunch of listings by googling "Pocket Disc". here is one link: http://www.rarebeatles.com/photospg/flexiad.htm wish I knew where my Pocket Disc of "Get Back" is now... I still MIGHT have it! Mark Oppat "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:u5KdnfaouejoXV_eRVn-jQ@comcast.com... > there was another small flexi-disc product sold out of vending machines > around 1969, it was called the "Poketdisc" I think. I had two of them. > They were 4" size, and fit in a little pasteboard sleeve. They were hard to > play as reject mechinisms on changers wouldnt allow them to play to the end, > or at all. I dont recall if they ran at 33 rpm, I think they did. They > were very flimsy so the audio was not so good. The concept died out fast, > and they, along with all the other flexi-discs and cereal box promos, are > very collectable today. I recall an article about this field of > collecting... it might have been in one of the collector rags like > "Discoveries" or "Gold Mine". > > Mark Oppat > > > "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message > news:0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com... > > > I frequently come across them in second-hand stores and flea markets and > > > wondered if there's any value in them? Any special way of storing them? > > > > I'm sure someone must collect them. > > > > I can think of a few to keep an eye out for... > > > > I seem to remember plastic-on-cardboard records on the back of cereal > boxes > > (Wheaties?). > > Stereo Review produced two -- a mono recording of Glen Gould's"So You Want > > to Write a Fugue?" and a stereo recording of Mirela Freni. > > MAD magazine produced two, of excerpts from their LPs. > > > > > > > > > > Article: 328945 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com> Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:39:10 -0500 Message-ID: just noticed the Goldmine article is on the link below if you scroll down... Mark Oppat "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:Ea6dnZHfkc_MXF_eRVn-iQ@comcast.com... > just found a bunch of listings by googling "Pocket Disc". here is one link: > > http://www.rarebeatles.com/photospg/flexiad.htm > > wish I knew where my Pocket Disc of "Get Back" is now... I still MIGHT have > it! > > Mark Oppat > > > > > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > news:u5KdnfaouejoXV_eRVn-jQ@comcast.com... > > there was another small flexi-disc product sold out of vending machines > > around 1969, it was called the "Poketdisc" I think. I had two of them. > > They were 4" size, and fit in a little pasteboard sleeve. They were hard > to > > play as reject mechinisms on changers wouldnt allow them to play to the > end, > > or at all. I dont recall if they ran at 33 rpm, I think they did. They > > were very flimsy so the audio was not so good. The concept died out fast, > > and they, along with all the other flexi-discs and cereal box promos, are > > very collectable today. I recall an article about this field of > > collecting... it might have been in one of the collector rags like > > "Discoveries" or "Gold Mine". > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message > > news:0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com... > > > > I frequently come across them in second-hand stores and flea markets > and > > > > wondered if there's any value in them? Any special way of storing > them? > > > > > > I'm sure someone must collect them. > > > > > > I can think of a few to keep an eye out for... > > > > > > I seem to remember plastic-on-cardboard records on the back of cereal > > boxes > > > (Wheaties?). > > > Stereo Review produced two -- a mono recording of Glen Gould's"So You > Want > > > to Write a Fugue?" and a stereo recording of Mirela Freni. > > > MAD magazine produced two, of excerpts from their LPs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article: 328946 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" References: <1136766528.931620.156300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: ethics of radio to guitar amp conversion Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:12:05 GMT Hi, They are great to record with. A large number of classic rock recordings were done with small amps like Fender Champs (about 4 watts). You get the advantage of a tube class A sound without the high decibels. Also, keep in mind that the loudness difference between 1 watt and 100 watts is only 4:1. A 1 watt amp into an efficient speaker cabinet can get pretty loud. Mark "Carter, K8VT" wrote in message news:Qnxwf.75477$tV6.59116@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > waldo2384@hotmail.com wrote: > > I just won an adorable little red Temple superhet metal midget on ebay. > > I intend to strip it down to the chassis and cabinet, into which I will > > build the cutest little one watt guitar amp you've ever seen. I am > > sympathetic with the preservationist ideal but... > > > > a) any collector who wanted this could have outbid me on ebay > > > > b) I will preserve the original appearance of the metal cabinet, but it > > is hard for me to see the guts of this cheapie as having much > > historical value. When I'm dead, the next guy can always restore the > > thing back into the crappy little AM radio it used to be, if he wants, > > assuming that AM broadcast radio still even exists by then. > > a) Sounds like you've already made up your mind and are just trying to > ease your conscience > > b) Pardon me, but I have to ask...What ever can you do with a crappy > little *one watt* guitar amplifier (even if it is cute)?????? Article: 328947 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bram Stolk" References: <43c2308e$0$74517$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl> Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:46:21 +0100 Message-ID: <43c2cb67$0$893$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl> You had square disks ?, the ones I talked about were circular but did warp so badly they almost became cilyndrical "Clive" schreef in bericht news:dpth64$1g2$1@news.al.sw.ericsson.se... > > "Bram Stolk" wrote in message > news:43c2308e$0$74517$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl... >> Howdy youngsters,... >> I remember as a kid we used to have 78 Rpm (speed and size) records made > out >> of brownish carton coated with some early vinyl. > > My father collected a few of these back in the late 1950's, I guess they > must have been some of the first 'flexi-disks' produced running at 78rpm > on > clear, square sheets of plastic. Containing some skiffle tracks which date > them to around 58-59 I guess. > > //Clive. > > Article: 328948 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry" Subject: Rectifier socket pin one 'hot' on Hallicrafter S-53 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:19:45 -0330 Finally got around to a) Repairing S-53 (it wasn't a bad 1st IF) it was a microphonic, dirty bearings, tuning cap and b) A defective partially open Vol. control pot. Plus one 'doubtful' tube. Also managed to get four leads off pin 'one' of the rectifier socket, which original production had used as a B+ tie point, onto an added tag-strip; then grounded pin one for safety. Problem being that if one replaces the original glass-tube 5Y3 with a metal 5Z4 it was very uncomfortable/unsafe having its metal-tube outer shell at B+; 'ouch'. Also will add a fuse in the power transformer primary before putting set back in the case. Considering this little radio does not have an RF stage, it's fairly 'hot' on all except the 40 to 54 meg. old mobile band and lowest end of the short-wave band below 6 megs., with a very short inefficient antenna. It uses a mixture of several octal and several B7G tubes. Mainly nostalgia fixing this circa 1955 smallish metal cased radio; owned and used since 1956! Article: 328949 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: When did PC boards start to appear?? References: <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1136834884.175601.244280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:30:23 -0500 Peter Wieck wrote: > However, the wires and holes are wasteful. It costs money to drill the > holes, and the protruding wires are merely cut off. > ______________________________________________________ Automated machines sort the parts and assemble them onto taped reels, the parts are cut off the tape, leads bent, and inserted into the circuit boards all by machine. Some parts like transistors used to be made with leads 1.5-2" long, today it is more standard to see leads just long enough to allow auto insertion without having to cut the leads short after soldering. Resistors and capacitors also are made with shorter leads, but still long enough to allow assembling into tape reels. The tape reel assembly can be done at the point where the circuit boards are assembled, or by the jobber selling the parts (IE: Arrow, Allied, Newark, etc). It does cost money to assemble the tape reels and drill the holes, but surface mount technology has it's own extra costs. Different soldering and placement machinery is required. Holes STILL need to be drilled in circuit boards anyway for interlayer vias, but by eliminating many holes surface mount allows more parts to be placed on the same size board, and even allows for parts to be placed on BOTH sides of a circuit board. (soldering such a board is VERY tricky since gravity would tend to unsolder the parts on the bottom while the top was being soldered.) Many parts today are no longer made in through hole which is a pain for prototyping work and hobbyists. There are adapter boards that allow surface mount parts to be used in through hole layouts (and some "surface mount" parts are early leaded parts with the leads cut short and bent). Zenith made some of the earliest transistor radios, and many of them were built on PC boards. Article: 328950 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: New parts source Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:16:59 -0500 I saw a new ad in QST for a place called http://www.radiodaze.com They seem to be somewhat reasonable on tubes and have lots of other vintage stuff. Not quite as large an inventory as Antique Radio Supply though. Anybody done any business with these guys? Article: 328951 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: New parts source Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:27:07 -0400 Message-ID: <11s5opsgmom7u85@corp.supernews.com> References: Ken Scharf wrote: > I saw a new ad in QST for a place called > http://www.radiodaze.com > > They seem to be somewhat reasonable on tubes > and have lots of other vintage stuff. Not quite > as large an inventory as Antique Radio Supply though. > > Anybody done any business with these guys? Yes indeed, great vendor for radio parts. -Bill Article: 328952 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Roger Blake Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) References: <0fGdncC6iKiFfFzeRVn-gw@comcast.com> <-rednVgSUaQjdVzeRVn-gA@velocitywest.com> Message-ID: Date: 09 Jan 2006 22:30:46 GMT In article , DaveW wrote: > Lost to the time gods is my brother's copy of "It's a Gas" which was an > insert in Mad Magazine. Jazzy music with belches.... I have a cassette tape copy of "It's a Gas" but the sound sheet itself is long gone. I also have the book "Tuva or Bust! - Richard Feynman's Last Journey," which contains a soundsheet of throat singing from Tuva. (I have not played the sheet, which is still inside the book.) This was published in 1991, anyone know of later sound sheets? -- Roger Blake (Subtract 10 for email.) Article: 328953 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: New parts source References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:41:59 -0500 Ken Scharf wrote: > I saw a new ad in QST for a place called > http://www.radiodaze.com > > They seem to be somewhat reasonable on tubes > and have lots of other vintage stuff. Not quite > as large an inventory as Antique Radio Supply though. > > Anybody done any business with these guys? BTW, there is more stuff in their pdf catalog than is on the web site. I just downloaded it, better to shop from the catalog than the website. They have a nice selection of NOS variable capacitors real cheap that will be nice for any crystal set builders out there. Article: 328954 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: New parts source Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:38:44 -0500 "Ken Scharf" wrote in message news:WeBwf.21118$__4.10460@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > I saw a new ad in QST for a place called > http://www.radiodaze.com > > They seem to be somewhat reasonable on tubes > and have lots of other vintage stuff. Not quite > as large an inventory as Antique Radio Supply though. > > Anybody done any business with these guys? I've used them for several orders, mostly materials and wire. I've been very satisfied. Pete Article: 328955 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Chris Howard Subject: Re: Aren't These Predicta Pictures from Someone Elses Web Site? Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1136603660.054375.266180@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:47:02 -0800, Phil Nelson wrote: > not deliberate fraudsters like the dude in Chile who listed 100% fake > auctions for some of the nicest things that I own. > > Caveat emptor . . . > > Phil Nelson You should have bought them all Phil! Just think what you would have saved on shipping! Article: 328956 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Damn Google... try again... Gluing a dial glass. Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:42:22 -0600 Message-ID: <11371-43C2E6CE-449@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: Maybe,somewhere,there is a store listed on the internet that sells exact reproductions of glass dials? cuhulin Article: 328957 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" Subject: Need a Majestic 90 Photo Message-ID: <41Cwf.41745$Mi5.23889@dukeread07> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:07:10 -0500 Can anyone help? I need a good photo of a Majestic 90 series console for my magazine column. Reply here or to radioconnection (at) juno (dot) com Thanks! Pete Article: 328958 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Damn Google... try again... Gluing a dial glass. Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:14:25 -0400 Message-ID: <11s5rihpck9391a@corp.supernews.com> References: <11371-43C2E6CE-449@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Maybe,somewhere,there is a store listed on the internet that sells exact > reproductions of glass dials? > cuhulin > RadioDaze has a quite a selection, I don't know of any others. -BM Article: 328959 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Ron H" References: <1136603660.054375.266180@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1136687095.344478.133720@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Aren't These Predicta Pictures from Someone Elses Web Site? Message-ID: <0CCwf.56239$yj4.23197@fe13.lga> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:46:42 -0600 Another great reason to add you own logo or call to each and every picture that you put on the web... K3PID Ron H. "cmdr buzz corey" wrote in message news:1136687095.344478.133720@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Phil Nelson wrote: > > > I don't see any pictures of the TV actually working..... > > > > Or of having been "lovingly restored" (chassis looks pretty dusty to me, and > > you can't see whether it has been recapped, etc.). > > > > Somebody sent me a pointer to this eBay tutorial on photos, intellectual > > property rights, etc. > > > > http://pages.ebay.com/help/tutorial/verotutorial/intro.html > > > > Next time this happens, I will start by referring the seller to that > > tutorial rather than engaging in debate with a pinhead who doesn't get it in > > the first place. These sellers appear to be bad-tempered, lazy idiots, but > > not deliberate fraudsters like the dude in Chile who listed 100% fake > > auctions for some of the nicest things that I own. > > Here is a place to start. > > http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/vero-image-text-theft.html > Article: 328960 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" Subject: the future is coming... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:50:37 GMT Hey guys, check this out! the future is coming... http://www.aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf Wait till they find out we collect all these nasty old radios... Ron Article: 328961 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: New parts source References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:57:42 GMT They have been in business for quite a while. They are real radio enthusiasts and want to be your one stop radio store. AES has gone more to the "gitar" and audio crowd. Ken Scharf wrote: > I saw a new ad in QST for a place called > http://www.radiodaze.com > > They seem to be somewhat reasonable on tubes > and have lots of other vintage stuff. Not quite > as large an inventory as Antique Radio Supply though. > > Anybody done any business with these guys? Article: 328962 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: the future is coming... References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:06:41 GMT Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > Hey guys, check this out! > the future is coming... It's already happening. Just not at Pizza Hut yet. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 328963 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: When did PC boards start to appear?? References: <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1136834884.175601.244280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1136850181.677433.306030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <1vDwf.21520$__4.14869@bignews1.bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:50:42 -0500 AuroraOldRadios wrote: > Oddly enough Zenith advertised for a number of years that their TVs did > NOT use PCBs. I have a June, 1958 RADIO-ELECTRONICS magazine that has a > 2 page Zenith ad. They claim their own Dr. Alexander Ellett "is > recognized as the daddy of printed circuitry...". Big bold letters at > the top of the pages: YES! WE HAVE NO PRINTED CIRCUITS IN ZENITH TV > CHASSIS > Of course, they would soon change their view. > Well my family did have a Zenith 19" B&W tv in the 60's that was point to point wired (I won't say hand wired because it COULD have been partly done by machine). I don't remember the model of the set, but it was a 110 degree deflection portable. The rectifier was a 3DG4. That was a weird tube, why the 3v filament? Also looking at the tube, the filament seemed to be the cathode sleeves from a heater cathode tube used AS FILAMENTS!. Anyway, I remember as a teenager fixing the set. The picture tube went dark, but if I quickly rotated the brightness control back and forth a dim triangular area lit up on the screen. Someone told me that meant a bad deflection yoke. So I went to a parts jobber with the set model number and got a new yoke (an EXACT Zenith part no less). I cut the wires to the yoke and spliced in the new yoke matching up the colors on the wires. (Western Union splices, soldered, and wrapped with electrical tape). The set didn't have an ion trap so it was easy to just replace the yoke and adjust it for a full picture on the screen. So I was a local hero for a few weeks around the house. Article: 328964 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <094wf.53277$yj4.23159@fe13.lga> <39kwf.5248$gf7.1917@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 Message-ID: <7yDwf.92219$ME5.22031@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:51:15 GMT I stack them in my basement, just be careful lifting them and what you put on what. Keith "John Goller, k9uwa /W4 Snowbird" wrote in message news:39kwf.5248$gf7.1917@tornado.tampabay.rr.com... > In article <094wf.53277$yj4.23159@fe13.lga>, ngietz@mts.net says... >> >> >> Wife (she thought it was a joke) suggested I could stack 'em.... >>Cheers, >>Nelson >> >> > seriously ... in my garage I do just that stack consoles with table > radios on top of the two high stack... better than passing up this > right priced 38-116 ..... or take it and put something much lessor > out real cheap as is .... whatever it takes to get the 15 toober > Philco you won't be sorry.. > John k9uwa /w4 > Article: 328965 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: New parts source Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:12:18 GMT "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:rLydnVSfPLxnnV7enZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@comcast.com... > > > Please no comments about getting a web site, I know that.... I'll get > there... > > Mark Oppat > I thought this was your start on it: http://www.radioswapmeet.com/store/moppat/page1.htm jim menning Article: 328966 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: ethics of radio to guitar amp conversion Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:24:41 -0700 Message-ID: <6210-43C31AE9-186@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> References: <7lwwf.2070$Xo5.1559@trnddc02> Wellll..... You can buy small guitar amp that would sound better than a metal AM radio can . I bet you are getting a kick out of the replys though . From adouglasatgis.net Thu Jan 12 21:42:56 EST 2006 Article: 328967 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Gluing dial glass? Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:28:13 -0500 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <1136729808.558290.322390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1136824162.693517.212530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9wxwf.75555$tV6.61746@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> <1136831487.159607.313340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-502.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:328967 Hi, >So, that material (oxalic acid) You meant oleic acid. Alan Article: 328968 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa /W4 Snowbird) References: <1136742108.002733.266280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:51:14 GMT In article <1136742108.002733.266280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, eb062559@aol.com says... > > >Is there anybody that can rewind the RF coil john? > Well I rewound one a few years ago ... it had one of the shortwave coils that was open ... in this case Mark told me that he had already tried to rewind it and the thing still didn't work... so not sure if he made an error ... or something else was wrong in the radio .... sounded like too much work for me... mostly because I already have too many projects on the plate John k9uwa /w4 From adouglasatgis.net Thu Jan 12 21:42:56 EST 2006 Article: 328969 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: When did PC boards start to appear?? Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:39:11 -0500 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8c76s154bkqp882vlud83otgoj0o16eqv6@4ax.com> References: <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1136834884.175601.244280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1136850181.677433.306030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1vDwf.21520$__4.14869@bignews1.bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-169.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:328969 Hi, Peter wrote: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printed_circuit_board > >All the below quoted from this source: > >The inventor of the printed circuit was probably the Austrian engineer >Paul Eisler (1907-1995) (snip snip) Paul Eisler wrote a book in 1989: "My Life With the Printed Circuit" (Lehigh University Press). 170 pages including a five-page bibliography. It looks like the definitive account. Alan Article: 328970 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: References: Subject: Re: The very first floppy discs (soundsheets) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:26:58 -0800 Anyone interested in flexi-disc or cardboard records should ck out this link (not my page) http://wfmu.org/MACrec/ lots of banked recording...I stumbled on this by accident. "Roy Tony" wrote in message news:dpsn7o$jfr$3@luna.vcn.bc.ca... > Anyone actually collect soundsheet records? The records were made of thin > flexible sheets of plastic. What was useful about them is they were cheap > to make and could never break when dropped. They were also little harder > to scratch because the sheet would slide on the turntable if you'd push > the needle too hard. They were inserted in magazines, books and even sent > through the mail as a music samples. They were the very first "floppy > discs"! > One sound sheet I have was recorded one side only. That sheet is so thin > you could see the loudest sound passages protruding on the blank side. > > The most common sound sheets I've seen are made by Eva-Tone > (Deerfield Ill). > The most common title is one put out by Time Life Records titled > "The Swing Era" Demonstration Record BG-11769 S7 > > I have one used by what I think was a dictating machine. The grouves are > so close together that even a new needle has trouble staying in it. > It's made by Edison Diamond Disc, McGraw Edison Company. > > I recently came across a record made out of cardboard. One side is the > cardboard the other is just shiny enough for grooves. > Dancerina: Tchaikovsky selections from Nutcracker Suite. 1968 Mattel inc. > Auravision a product of Columbia special products. CSM-7858-2A. > > I frequently come across them in second-hand stores and flea markets and > wondered if there's any value in them? Any special way of storing them? > > -- > Tony Article: 328971 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Crazy George" References: <1136843990.358914.28670@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Recapping... Even the "New" Stuff Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:39:30 -0600 Message-ID: <43c33b7e@kcnews01> Peter and group: I have mentioned Bearcat scanners previously, and they have a real problem with electrolytics which are not all that old (70s through 90s). But perhaps the most spectacular failure I experienced was several years ago in the overhead console of my 1991 Plymouth minivan. The display up there has a modest amount of electronics, with a 12 volt feed through a voltage regulator followed by a filter capacitor. The 8 or 9 year old electrolytic went short, taking the regulator and a series resistor with it, emitting copious smoke and smell. Fortunately I was still in the garage and not out on the road, and it self-extinguished, but it was another example of a recent electrolytic failing. -- Crazy George W5VPQ My real address is my ham call ARRL.NET The ATTGlobal is a SPAM trap. Article: 328972 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: tube collectors? Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:52:27 -0700 Message-ID: References: <66h4s19m10vrnjuu6eeuri827mgkk62mm4@4ax.com> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:11:46 +0000, Gordon Richmond wrote: > I happen to have two of them, apparently NIB. Anyone got specs for > them? > > Gordon Richmond http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/frank/sheets/049/8/832A.pdf -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 328973 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Damn Google... try again... Gluing a dial glass. Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:03:53 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1136730046.080943.270430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:23:15 -0600, Nelson Gietz wrote: > > "Terry S" wrote in message > news:1136730046.080943.270430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> I hope this doesn't actually get posted multiple times... >> >> Has anyone had real success gluing a cracked dial glass? >> >> I just got my Tesla Talisman chassis yesterday in the mail, the dial >> glass id broken *neatly* in half. Even still, it's probably the best >> example of these dials I have, in terms of color, sharpness of the >> lettering, and cleanliness. (You can NOT clean them, the lettering >> comes right off). >> >> Not a chip missing, no spider cracks, just a clean break. I was >> thinking theoretically, I should be able to superglue this, fill the >> entire crack with the thin type glue, and make it nearly invisible. I >> did try it once before on a dial where the break was not so clean. It >> held but only for a few weeks, and was visible. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Terry. > > Terry, > Just a WAG... but don't the guys who deal with optics like cameras and > telescopes use adhesive with the same or near refractive index as glass? > There also was something called "water glass" that I've heard of. Haven't > Googled either one, but it might provide some direction to look. Even if > they aren't physically strong, you might be able to reinforce the edge of > the dial glass where it's out of sight to hold it together. > -Might be worth a look, anyway. > Nelson Water glass is a substance (sodium silicate IIRC) that used to be used for preserving eggs. I don't know if it has any adhesive properties. Experiment on scraps first. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 328974 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: When did PC boards start to appear?? Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:16:42 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1136834884.175601.244280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:28:04 -0800, Peter Wieck wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printed_circuit_board > > All the below quoted from this source: > > The inventor of the printed circuit was probably the Austrian engineer > Paul Eisler (1907-1995) who, while working in England, made one circa > 1936 as part of a radio set. Around 1943 the USA began to use the > technology on a large scale to make rugged radios for use in World War > II. After the war, in 1948, the USA released the invention for > commercial use. Printed circuits did not become commonplace in consumer > electronics until the mid-1950s. > > Before printed circuits, point-to-point construction was used. For > prototypes, or small production runs, wire wrap can be more efficient. > > Originally, every electronic component had wire leads, and the PCB had > holes drilled for each wire of each component. The components' leads > were then passed through the holes and soldered to the PCB trace. This > method of assembly is called through-hole construction. Soldering could > be done automatically by passing the board over a ripple, or wave, of > molten solder in a wave-soldering machine. Through-hole mounting is > still used. > > However, the wires and holes are wasteful. It costs money to drill the > holes, and the protruding wires are merely cut off. > ______________________________________________________ > > Much more snipped. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA I think I read that the first printed circuits were patented in the 1800s for telephone work. These early guys patented a lot of interesting stuff, including multi-layer boards with vias. There were examples of additive (cut out and glue), subtractive (etched), and silk-screen fabrication methods. They didn't catch on though. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 328975 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: the future is coming... Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:36:44 -0400 Message-ID: <11s6hvd4jgos0a1@corp.supernews.com> References: <1136867846.763543.288240@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> cmdr buzz corey wrote: > I just ordered a pizza online, but can't figure out how to down load it. > Check your CD drive. It should pop out of there...assuming you're not using it as a cup holder. -Bill Article: 328976 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <1136867846.763543.288240@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: the future is coming... Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:43:28 -0600 "cmdr buzz corey" wrote in message news:1136867846.763543.288240@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I just ordered a pizza online, but can't figure out how to down load it. > Check your CD drive... Nelson Article: 328977 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: the future is coming... Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:54:23 -0600 Message-ID: <11371-43C35A1F-526@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <11s6hvd4jgos0a1@corp.supernews.com> You have to download a Pac man game to eat those online pizzas. cuhulin Article: 328978 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1136730046.080943.270430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Damn Google... try again... Gluing a dial glass. Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:37:56 GMT "Terry S" wrote in message news:1136730046.080943.270430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I hope this doesn't actually get posted multiple times... > > Has anyone had real success gluing a cracked dial glass? > > I just got my Tesla Talisman chassis yesterday in the mail, the dial > glass id broken *neatly* in half. Even still, it's probably the best > example of these dials I have, in terms of color, sharpness of the > lettering, and cleanliness. (You can NOT clean them, the lettering > comes right off). > > Not a chip missing, no spider cracks, just a clean break. I was > thinking theoretically, I should be able to superglue this, fill the > entire crack with the thin type glue, and make it nearly invisible. I > did try it once before on a dial where the break was not so clean. It > held but only for a few weeks, and was visible. > > Any ideas? > > Terry. > I think it may be worth your time to go down to your local glass & mirror shop, and ask what they use. jim menning Article: 328979 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: converting a DJ turntable to play transcriptions Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:20:55 GMT I personally use two Stanton STR8-80's when I DJ at car shows. The turntables are great for the purpose, and they indeed have the 78 speed. I also know that Stanton makes a 78 needle for the 500 cartridge, and someday I'd like to get one. However I'm scratching my head over how one of these could be converted to 16" use. My personal opinion is, if you have the transcriptions, try and find a turntable that will play them. Years ago i had around 50 transcriptions, pressings from World Broadcasting system. These were indeed 16 inch, and some of them had some sort of burn mark on the edge -- I assume this is some sort of mold injection -- that sticks out beyond the 16 inches. Of course these can be cut off without hurting anything. The turntable I used was a Garrard 301 motor, with an Ortofon tonearm. This is somewhat typical of turntables used in the late m1950's, available for "serious audiophiles." They were infinitely better built than the typical record changers, but smaller and less expensive than the Gates machines used by radio stations. The platter was only 12", but the tonearm post was such that it cleared a 16" record. Just for grins I just checked eBay, and there are several Garrard 301's there. Bidding seems to be at around $500; gee I wish I still had mine! I also saw a few Ortofon tonearms, but I can't tell if these will mount with the 8" required clearance for transcriptions. I suspect your best bet may be to find a setup already mounted, I just hope this isn't asking for a needle in a haystack. Anyone else have suggestions? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "David" wrote in message news:Duydnevh8oh51F7enZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@adelphia.com... >I have seen a couple turntables for sale that have been converted to play >16" transcriptions. > Most of these are DJ turntables such as Numark, Stanton, etc. It looks > like they remove the cueing lift and turn the tone arm bearing surround so > it faces right rather than left thus freeing space between the center > spindle and the tone arm pivot. > Many of these turntables now offer the 78 speed as well as 45 and 33. > I have one of the Numark turntables, a solid workhorse, and might want to > try and make the conversion. > What is the exact diameter of the so called 16" records? Is is slightly > under, perhaps? > Dave > Article: 328980 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carroll Senn Subject: Soldering Irons or Stations Message-ID: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:24:55 GMT In the wake of what had to be a rare cosmic event, both of my trusted Weller soldering irons expelled their magic smoke and refuse to work any longer. I am looking for suggestions as to what to replace them with. It can be an iron or a station. I don't want de-soldering as an option and prefer something that can accept different elements or has variable temp and has a variety of reasonably priced tips available. What do you use in your shop? Thanks Article: 328981 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" References: <1136766528.931620.156300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4eKdnafvwM59RV_eRVn-sg@giganews.com> Subject: Re: ethics of radio to guitar amp conversion Message-ID: <56Pwf.3351$Xo5.1871@trnddc02> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:00:33 GMT Hi Phil, Distortion is the key (unlike amps used in Hi-Fi applications). A solid state amp may be fine, but it does not produce the same sound as a tube amp. DSP based amp modelers like the Line6 POD are getting better all the time and solid state amps like the Peavey Bandit or Roland JC120, to name a few, have a very useful sound all on their own, but sometimes a tube amp is the best thing for the job. Mark "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:4eKdnafvwM59RV_eRVn-sg@giganews.com... > > They are great to record with. A large number of classic rock recordings > > were done with small amps like Fender Champs (about 4 watts). You get the > > advantage of a tube class A sound without the high decibels. Also, keep > > in > > mind that the loudness difference between 1 watt and 100 watts is only > > 4:1. > > A 1 watt amp into an efficient speaker cabinet can get pretty loud. > > Why not just use something like the little Roland practice amp that I bought > about 15 years ago for $20? > > And isn't the "tube sound" simply distortion? > > :-) > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > Article: 328982 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: converting a DJ turntable to play transcriptions Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: <11s7gdp2pdd59dc@news.supernews.com> References: <1136897669.750658.225370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> I have a Sony TT-4000, supposedly the first model of DD turntable in Canada, mounted in a solid oak base with a green felt top (deck). Mounted on it is an SME 3012, the arm purpose-built to play 16" records. I've seen the 3012 mounted on a Thorens TD-125 as well, and while it still fits the original Thorens base, the lid will no longer fit on. The deck you show on the binaries struck me as looking like a factory model. The deck of the TT has "Rek-O-Cut Direct Drive Restoroation Deck Model CVS" printed on it, for those who can't access the binaries. I only have a few transcriptions, buried somewhere under the stairs. One of them is a radio serial put out by Norge, and I have another one recorded by the then-President of Simpson's in Toronto, welcoming the men back from the war. I keep my eyes open for them, but rarely see them around. Simpson's was a large department store chain in Canada, eventually gobbled up by Sears. Does anyone collect these in great numbers here? regards, Frank Article: 328983 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:28:47 GMT Carroll Senn wrote: > What do you use in your shop? From the product spec sheet. (I have several in my shop.) And you can find them on sale for under $100 occasionally. WES51 Soldering Station The next version of this best-selling, affordable soldering station is here - for everything from continuous production soldering to occasional use. The WES51´s heater and sensor combination allows for relatively quick heat-up and recovery. Improved iron plug and receptacle for easier iron changes. Features: Automatic shut-off after 99 minutes of inactivity, extending tip and station life; cordless temperature lockout to prevent operators from raising temperature to level higher than specified for the board or component; cordless tip temperature calibration, which provides you with the capability of resetting station temperature recovery - allows continuous production soldering; slim, comfortable handpiece reduces fatigue. Specs: Accuracy: +/- 9 degrees F; Temperature range: 350 degrees F to 850 degrees F; Output voltage: 24V. Meets ANSI specs. (Mexico) 50W, Analog, ETA Tip. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 328984 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Crazy George" References: Subject: Re: CONELRAD Monitor by Morrow Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:37:33 -0600 Message-ID: <43c3d58a@kcnews01> David: You misspelled Conelrad in big red letters. That case was one of Morrow's power supply cases, wasn't it? For the MB-560 vintage stuff? I think I ever saw only one of those in the flesh back in the day when they counted. That Shurite meter was an immediate turn-off for me. -- Crazy George W5VPQ My real address is my ham call ARRL.NET The ATTGlobal is a SPAM trap. "David Stinson" wrote in message news:YyMwf.921$ee6.349@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5852150968 > > Thanks for looking. Article: 328985 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New parts source Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:32:10 -0600 Message-ID: <11371-43C3D37A-548@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <7cadnZai_MY_8l7enZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com> Geez,Mark,I hope things get better for you. cuhulin Article: 328986 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: CONELRAD Monitor by Morrow References: <43c3d58a@kcnews01> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:10:08 GMT Crazy George wrote: > That Shurite meter was an immediate turn-off for me. Perhaps, I think it's perfect. It fits the whole "Red scare" throw together passions of the moment. I have a collection of assorted things from the cold war. Ranging from "do it yourself" bomb shelter plans and who the "hidden enemies in the UN are" type books. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 328987 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Radio Rambler Subject: Re: When did PC boards start to appear?? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:13:57 -0500 Message-ID: <42i8aoF1h4ltvU1@individual.net> References: <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1136834884.175601.244280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1136850181.677433.306030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1vDwf.21520$__4.14869@bignews1.bellsouth.net> Bill Cohn wrote: > > > As I have mentioned in this forum before I was an electrical design > engineer at Zenith in the TV group though the 70's. We did switch to PC > boards in the solid state sets in beginning with the 1972 12" B&W hybrid > chassis (12CB12X). The IF module, the solid state video and low level > audio circuits were on a PC board and the rest of the set was built on a > conventional type chassis. The tie points on the chassis were of the > cone terminal type. The assembly line workers would push the component > leads into the cones and the entire chassis was later dipped into a > solder bath that would fill the terminals with solder to make the > connections. This construction was used with the early modular solid > state TVs as well. The PC modules would plug into the main chassis that > had point to point wiring. > > Memories, > > Bill Cohn - N9MHT yes, the chromacolor 2. IMHO, the finest, best built, television EVER made i have one, in fact, it's my daily watcher. the one i have is a large console type with space command remote & zoom. i have had it for over 10 years. it was built in 1975, it still has the original CRT, the tracking between the electron guns is near perfect. it has a perfect grey scale as well as a great color picture. even the convergence is perfect. the only work i have done to this set was to replace a 15 ohm resistor in the horizontal drive circuit. this set gets used at least 8 hours daily & all day on the weekends. -- The Shadow Knows Article: 328988 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New parts source Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:06:51 -0600 Message-ID: <11371-43C3E9AB-555@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: I own a half acre of land in Putnam County,Florida.(North Florida) I used to entertain the idea of putting some second hand trailers on my half acre and renting them out to college girls at the University of Florida in Gainesville.But I done got too old and over the hill nowdays to mess with that. cuhulin Article: 328989 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carroll Senn Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Message-ID: References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:15:02 GMT On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:35:35 -0600, "gb" wrote: >"Carroll Senn" wrote in message >news:71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com... >> In the wake of what had to be a rare cosmic event, both of my trusted >> Weller soldering irons expelled their magic smoke and refuse to work >> any longer. >> >> I am looking for suggestions as to what to replace them with. It can >> be an iron or a station. I don't want de-soldering as an option and >> prefer something that can accept different elements or has variable >> temp and has a variety of reasonably priced tips available. >> >> What do you use in your shop? >> >> Thanks > >Which Weller soldering stations were you using?? TCP series; EC series; or >the newer WES series ? > >The TCP series can be easily (and inexpensively) repaired by replacing the >heater (EC234 or TC208). >In some rarer instances, the SW60 magnetic switch may have failed. > >For the EC series, it can be the heater EC234; sensor or control unit, etc. > >Greg >w9gb > They were both pencil irons, not stations Article: 328990 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: New parts source References: <11371-43C3E9AB-555@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <2iSwf.97$9t6.70@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:38:06 GMT Nahhh, that's perfect...now you can actually collect the rent. Jeff cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > I own a half acre of land in Putnam County,Florida.(North Florida) I > used to entertain the idea of putting some second hand trailers on my > half acre and renting them out to college girls at the University of > Florida in Gainesville.But I done got too old and over the hill nowdays > to mess with that. > cuhulin > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 328991 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Sofa Slug Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:42:34 GMT Carroll Senn wrote: > In the wake of what had to be a rare cosmic event, both of my trusted > Weller soldering irons expelled their magic smoke and refuse to work > any longer. > > I am looking for suggestions as to what to replace them with. It can > be an iron or a station. I don't want de-soldering as an option and > prefer something that can accept different elements or has variable > temp and has a variety of reasonably priced tips available. > > What do you use in your shop? > > Thanks I have used a lot of different irons in my 30+ years as a tech. My current favorite is the Hakko 936. These stations heat up quickly and have adjustable temperature. Construction is solid and they come with a nice metal stand. You also get better temp regulation on the 936 than with competing models, and there is a wide array of tips available on these guys, too. Another excellent station - and a little smaller and more portable - is the Edsyn 951SX. I have had one for over 5 years and used it almost everyday, yet have only had to replace the tip once. Temp control isn't quite as accurate as the Hakko, but it's still widely adjustable and the coil heating element is more rugged than Hakko's ceramic element. There are several tip styles available for the Edsyn as well. You will no doubt get a lot of recommendations for Wellers. I have used those too and they are good, but tend to go through tips faster than the above products. I don't feel that the build quality is what it used to be, either. The older Wellers seem to live forever, but the housings and connectors on the new units look flimsy, and QC seems to be mediocre at best. I bought a brand new WTCPT model recently and the mechanical temp control assembly failed right out of the box (the Edsyn & Hakko have electronic temp control). If you must have a Weller, I would go for one of the electronic temp controlled WES51 or WESD51 models. - S Article: 328992 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: ethics of radio to guitar amp conversion Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:58:32 -0600 Message-ID: <407-43C403D8-567@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <7lwwf.2070$Xo5.1559@trnddc02> JUST WONDERING WHAT ONE WATT ( AT 10 DISTORTION ) WILL SOUND LIKE. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 328993 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: ethics of radio to guitar amp conversion References: <7lwwf.2070$Xo5.1559@trnddc02> <407-43C403D8-567@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:11:29 GMT Bill Turner wrote: > JUST WONDERING WHAT ONE WATT ( AT 10 DISTORTION ) WILL SOUND LIKE. More than enough for a set of head phones, or to hear in a living room if you're practicing by yourself. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 328994 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:18:51 -0400 Message-ID: <11s824v34hefoe3@corp.supernews.com> References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> Carroll Senn wrote: > > They were both pencil irons, not stations Were they plain old SP25 or SP40 types? The cord on mine always wears out and breaks internally right at the edge of the Heyco? grip on the cord. Never had one burn out. I'd love to have a nice soldering station but I can't talk myself out of these $15 guys. -Bill Article: 328995 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: converting a DJ turntable to play transcriptions Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:10:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1136897669.750658.225370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11s7gdp2pdd59dc@news.supernews.com> Buck Frobisher wrote: > Does anyone collect these in great numbers here? If great diameter counts instead of great numbers: two 20" with speed 33 1/3 from Radio Portugal. Single sided, aluminium core, plastic surface. My Neumann PAG could play 20" but is missing motor and tonearm. http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/neumann_platten_abspiel_geraet_pa.html Georg Article: 328996 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New parts source Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:20:11 -0600 Message-ID: <5278-43C416FB-699@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <2iSwf.97$9t6.70@tornado.socal.rr.com> But,could I "collect" more than rent money? It's at Interlachen Lakes estate,Florida.North up Hoover Road,take a right on Pine Tree Road,between Lincoln and Drexel streets.I still sort of kind of think about "it" once in a while,if ya get me driff? I get snail mails all the time from people interested in buying my little piece of Florida.NO SALE! cuhulin Article: 328997 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: New parts source Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:53:22 +0100 Message-ID: <0428a4377694210c13ee728b4a91b530@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: **Anybody done any business with these guys? As others say, AES is becoming heavily guitar and power audio stuff. I've always preferred RadioDaze- good prices, fast delivery. As they say in feedback circles, "HIGHLY RECOMMENDED". Ask for their catolog- it tells the story better. -Pete Article: 328998 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> <1136915095.753129.170650@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:43:46 GMT I too have a TC201 station that I got used real cheap and I love it. You can get the different temp tips for it and it heats up real fast. I find tips last a long time and there is always good deals on Ebay for them. nesesu wrote: > Carroll, I have a Weller WTCPN low voltage temperature controlled > solder station with a TC201 handpiece. I use a large 'screwdriver' tip > for old radios, and it has enough power and mass to heat and solder > tabs punched out of the steel chassis, and I change the tip to a 1/32" > size for modern PC work and the like. I picked up a couple of stations > and hand pieces at an industrial clear-out for next to nothing--I just > needed to buy the tips I needed. > > Neil S. > Article: 328999 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: I Wish Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:12 -0600 Message-ID: <27117-43C42944-172@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> I Wish a real ginuwine out of Space UFO from fifty million light years away with them funny lookin UFOlians would light down on top Art Bell's and George Noory's headbones,so they would be Happy. cuhulin Article: 329000 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "effi" Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:23:44 -0600 Message-ID: <11s8gfmpq8v4n27@corp.supernews.com> References: <27117-43C42944-172@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> wrote in message news:27117-43C42944-172@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net... >I Wish a real ginuwine out of Space UFO from fifty million light years > away with them funny lookin UFOlians would light down on top Art Bell's > and George Noory's headbones,so they would be Happy. > cuhulin > you've been thrown the bell curve there are no ufolians ;( just imaginative humans Article: 329001 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C445F8.6907E3A5@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: the future is coming... References: <11s6hvd4jgos0a1@corp.supernews.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:41:44 GMT AuroraOldRadios wrote: > > The CD drive is all gooey. I don't want to know any more about it! -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 329002 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C448A5.3C0F2478@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:53:09 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > > I have never used any fancy solder station, I see no need for one as many > do, since I am not usually working on any temp sensitive items, and when I > do, my current pencil works fine if used correctly. > > I also dont do much desoldering. > > So, I have a 33 W pencil, with iron clad CHISEL tip. > > the chisel tip holds a little solder for conduction and greater surface > contact on the larger joints that old radios have. > > I leave mine on for many many hours and the heater element still lasts for > several years, as does the tip. I keep it in a stand with a damp sponge for > cleaning, a MUST do. > > Anyone here who is using a 25w conical tip... you are wasting your time and > doing a poor job soldering, your joints are likely not well done in old > radios. > > For desoldering I use "Wick-it" (not sure of the spelling) which comes in > various gauges. I have noticed some old rolls I have dont work so well so > its possible the stuff ages. > > Mark Oppat You just don't get it, do you, mark? The big advantage to a temperature controlled soldering iron is its fast recovery time, without burning up between uses. It is at the right temperature for every joint, and you can work with it all day, or every 5 minutes and still get the same results. They also come up to full temperature fast when you turn it on. the side benefits are the iron holder, power switch and a place for a damp solder sponge to clean the tip, as needed. Its all in one place, where it belongs. Set it on a piece of wood with a couple pegs for rolls of solder, and a couple small pegs for different types of solder wick, and its a real time saver. Add a small assortment of different shapes of tips, and you're set for a long time. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 329003 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C44C4A.E6D19C33@sympatico.ca> From: John Stewart Subject: Re: WCKY Transmitter References: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:07:39 -0500 AB9GO wrote: > In the fourties WCKY had a shortwave service as did WLW. I saw this in > an old Silvertone station guide that came with a farm radio I have. I > bet that is what it was used for. Locally here in Toronto AM1010 CFRB had & still may be on SW as CFRX. Think it was at 6070 Khz but I have listened for it in years. Very low power, I think perhaps a KW at best. Cheers, John Stewart > > > Randy > > p.s. What is missing on the left back of the transmitter? You can see > two largish holes on the front panel that held some control. Article: 329004 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: the future is coming... Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:30:53 -0500 Message-ID: <11s8kdvpnqc6g73@corp.supernews.com> References: Nah, with Bluetooth and cell phone tracking they'll know where you're going and bring the veggie subs there already deducted from you account. Plenty of Americans say things like "You have to give up your freedom to be free" etc. today- it's scary. The ACLU was fairly tame here. And surely messing about with all this old stuff is indeed unpatriotic- real Americans consume *new* durable goods. John H. Article: 329005 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:24:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <27117-43C42944-172@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <11s8gfmpq8v4n27@corp.supernews.com> <1136937885.594206.271960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> AuroraOldRadios > Surveys show that 5% of the American population believe they have been > visited by aliens. Perhaps you are one? (hows that for an ambiguous > question?) I would recommend the book "My Brother is a Visitor from Another Planet" by Dyan Sheldon (alias Serena Grey) Candlewick Press, published: 1993 ISBN: 1564021416 (German title, translated backwards: "Manual for Aliens") It's a fundamentally mistaken view that WE see THEM. THEY are wondering about US. Remark: I forgot the "the" between "about" and "US" Kind Regards Georg (who was told "you don't look like them" while asking for this book ;-) Article: 329006 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "t.hoehler" References: <43c3d58a@kcnews01> Subject: Re: CONELRAD Monitor by Morrow Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:31:06 GMT "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:A%Qwf.109$sd1.37@tornado.socal.rr.com... > Crazy George wrote: >> That Shurite meter was an immediate turn-off for me. > > Perhaps, I think it's perfect. It fits the whole "Red scare" > throw together passions of the moment. > > I have a collection of assorted things from the cold war. > Ranging from "do it yourself" bomb shelter plans and who the > "hidden enemies in the UN are" type books. > > Jeff > Gee whiz, kinda crude looking. Remember the old jingle on am radio in the fifties "Six forty, twelve forty, Conelrad!" Regards, Tom Article: 329007 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <27117-43C42944-172@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <11s8gfmpq8v4n27@corp.supernews.com> <1136937885.594206.271960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In <1136937885.594206.271960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "AuroraOldRadios" writes: >Surveys show that 5% of the American population believe they have been >visited by aliens. That's always cracked me up. Let's run some numbers: What's the current U.S. population? About 300 million? So if 15 million were visited over a period of, oh, fifty years, that would make 300,000 "visits" per year, or 821 ALIEN LANDINGS EACH DAY! Them little green men are going to need their own airport. "Delta 561, you're on hold behind a, uh, um...." "Watch the skies"? Hell, it's gotta be a regular space jam up there. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 329008 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> In "Gary Tayman" writes: >Iso-Tip makes a great portable gun -- perfect for portable use. >I've used it for working on antennas on the roof, in cars, on boats, >and there's no need for an extension cord. You can use a large-tip iron this way, too, if you run really fast. :) Only good for one joint, though. The other advantage of Iso-tips, as the name implies, is you can work on live circuitry. Not that I'm recommending this, of course, but sometimes it's useful (or accidental). I use a Weller WTCP with a ground lift for this reason. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 329009 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C46769.DC1258A8@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> <43C448A5.3C0F2478@earthlink.net> <7dmdnTCi-fsdzFneRVn-hg@comcast.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:04:29 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > > Michael, > > I DO "get it", I just have never had a need for those, the Ungar PL133 iron > clad chisel tipped 33w pencil is a great tool I have used for years, and the > elements and tips last about 2 years or more for me, and I really use it a > lot. It sits over night on (by mistake, often) for hours, and they cost a > lot less than a solder station. I mentioned the need for a stand with > sponge, its a requirement. I still have a couple ragged old SP-23 Weller irons, but the WTCP stations, or the Wahl cordless saw a lot more service in my shop at home. Back in my Radio & TV repair days I used the SP-23 irons, the Weller 8200 100-140 watt soldering gun, as well as its big brother when I had to resolder grounds on a chassis. I even used the Weller 8200 soldering gun to solder flat pack RTL logic chips to adapter boards by using the corner of the tip as a chisel tipped iron. The last soldering iron I used in production work was the Ungar "Loner" series. It is an adjustable temperature iron with a wide variety of tips, and is rated for ESD sensitive work. I had three on my bench, and worked with solder down to .015" Ersin multicore SMD rework solder. turn up the temperature and you could use the .062" solder, as well. BTW, I have NEVER spent more than $15 for a good used solder station. I have bought them for as little as $5, which is less than a new, quality soldering iron. > Nothing wrong with a solder station, you just dont absolutely need one for > quality soldering. Also, the last time I looked, they did not have the 1/4" > size chisel tips for the stations I saw, only about 3/16" or smaller. If I need a 1/4" tip, I want more than your 33 watts of heat. For that i use a 65 watt, or 175 watt iron. If that isn't heavy enough, I use the screw on soldering iron tip on a propane torch. It comes in handy when you want smooth solder joints on large tin plated or brass boxes. > BTW, How anyone can restore a radio with a gun type tool I will never know. > Accuracy is a pain, and you cant get into a tight spot very well! I use > one very rarely. Same for those old HUGE irons, I wonder how they did any > work with those? They're like 15" long! Geese! You use the corner of the tip on those big irons, and in production the work was done in layers so you could use them without burning other wires and parts. Its all in HOW you do it, but the faster the solder flows, the less chance of heat damage. to the component, and what you are soldering it to. > > Mark Oppat -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 329010 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1136944208.733501.97960@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: emerson snow white...will the real snow white please stand up Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:17:35 -0500 Eddie, That's beautiful!! I love it!! Pete Article: 329011 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert Murrell" References: <0pqdnYrpfuBGy1neRVn-uw@comcast.com> Subject: Re: DONT MISS MARC'S FEB 4 SWAP Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:15:30 GMT One slight correction. Seller setup and early bird admission starts at 7:30am. And probably the best food available at any meet too. "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:0pqdnYrpfuBGy1neRVn-uw@comcast.com... > If you might be in town anyways for the Superbowl...! > > Sat, Feb 4 2006 > Farmington Hills MI > Costick Activities Center > 28600 Eleven Mile Rd > > doors open at 8am for early buyers ($10) and set up > 9am-2pm for general admission ($5) > > Take Orchard Lake RD exit off I-696 > South to 11 mile Rd, go east about 1.5 miles. > about half mile east of Middlebelt Rd. > > several motels around the area... red roof at orchard lake and 12 mile I > think by the I-696 exit. > > The MARC winter swap is possibly the largest indoor antique radio swap in > the USA. Over 120 tables filled with radios, phonos, parts, and related > collectables. Occassionally an early TV or computer will show up, too. > > "Radio Rescue" brings in the general public with radios unknown, and > sometimes for sale! > > The Contest will include: > "Promotional Sets" > "Tomorrow's Collectables" 1946+ items not yet "hot" in the collecting > world > that you think will be.... this should be fun.... > and ... the "Open" catagory where anything radio, TV test equipt, etc > goes. > > There is a "Silent Auction" as usual, and the final "Good Buy" auction > too, > where stuff goes for super cheap! > > need any more info? email me... > > Mark Oppat > moppat at comcast dot net > 734-455-4169 10:30am-9pm EST any day > > > Article: 329012 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <27117-43C42944-172@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <11s8gfmpq8v4n27@corp.supernews.com> <1136937885.594206.271960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: I Wish Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:31:28 GMT > "My Brother is a Visitor from Another Planet"............ My mother in law is too... PP Article: 329013 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Philco 38-116 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa /W4 Snowbird) References: <1136898557.363414.282890@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <4Z%wf.8018$gf7.1810@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:38:24 GMT In article <1136898557.363414.282890@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, eb062559@aol.com says... > > >oh...mark rebuilt the chassis? > originally this was a customers radio that he was to rebuild... when he found out that the front end was messed up and couldn't fix it he had another whole radio so fixed his chassis for the customer thinking that someday he would have a go at fixing the chassis and after a couple of year decided he just plain had too many projects... so thats why it went on the block. John Article: 329014 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Very Cool! Wish I was in Illinois... Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:39:20 GMT "David Stinson" wrote in message news:jn%wf.3854$WY5.2479@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Entire-British-Radio-Collection_W0QQitemZ5852956046 > I'll admit I don't know much about British radios, but do you really think there's $3,000.00 worth there? jim menning Article: 329015 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: converting a DJ turntable to play transcriptions Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: <11s938po09c4s62@news.supernews.com> References: <1136897669.750658.225370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11s7gdp2pdd59dc@news.supernews.com> "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote in message news:dq14c9$4or$03$1@news.t-online.com... > Buck Frobisher wrote: > >> Does anyone collect these in great numbers here? > > If great diameter counts instead of great numbers: > > two 20" with speed 33 1/3 from Radio Portugal. > Single sided, aluminium core, plastic surface. > > My Neumann PAG could play 20" > but is missing motor and tonearm. > http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/neumann_platten_abspiel_geraet_pa.html > > Georg Well, learn something every day: I never knew there were 20" discs! IIRC, my Simpson's disc is metal too. A gentleman I knew years ago swore that during WWII glass was often used as a substitute. I've never seen one of those, and I can imagine how fragile they might be which could in part explain their scarcity. Frank Article: 329016 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: the future is coming... Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: <11s93h9c6p0j32d@news.supernews.com> References: Soon, The Future is going to drive up in a Chinese-built car for less than $10,000 (Canadian). Y'think maybe our kids can get jobs there building them? Article: 329017 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:48:37 -0400 Message-ID: <11s93h7ilsevc2c@corp.supernews.com> References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> <11s824v34hefoe3@corp.supernews.com> <__Kdnfwv0sWO7FnenZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com> gb wrote: > "- exray -" wrote in message > news:11s824v34hefoe3@corp.supernews.com... > >>Carroll Senn wrote: >> >> >>>They were both pencil irons, not stations >> >>Were they plain old SP25 or SP40 types? The cord on mine always wears out >>and breaks internally right at the edge of the Heyco? grip on the cord. >>Never had one burn out. I'd love to have a nice soldering station but I >>can't talk myself out of these $15 guys. >> >>-Bill > > > $ 10 more and you can have the original WTCP series and $ 20 more the WTCPL > NOS looks new. > > g. beat > > > Its easier just to fix the cord. -Bill Article: 329018 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: emerson snow white...will the real snow white please stand up Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:58:46 -0400 Message-ID: <11s94471f99o23a@corp.supernews.com> References: <1136944208.733501.97960@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Eddie Brimer wrote: > > emerson snow white radio. i whipped up a cabinet to put it on. took a > chassis from a broken bakelite and here you have a totally bogus snow > white. > > http://members.aol.com/EB062559/snowwhite1.jpeg > for the repro front (thanks, you know who). total cost...15.50. the > look on my wifes face when i gave it to her to display with all her > other disney stuff.....priceless. > Excellent, eddie! -Bill M Article: 329019 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Very Cool! Wish I was in Illinois... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:57:01 -0400 Message-ID: <11s940veqpinvca@corp.supernews.com> References: jim menning wrote: > "David Stinson" wrote in message > news:jn%wf.3854$WY5.2479@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Entire-British-Radio-Collection_W0QQitemZ5852956046 >> > > > I'll admit I don't know much about British radios, but do you really think there's > $3,000.00 worth there? > > jim menning > > Wow! What little I know I think its a tad overpriced if it were in the UK...but its here and ready to be picked up. If I was near there and had that kind of money to toss around AND had somewhere to put 'em I'd jump on it because I like that sort of thing. For me it would beat paying twice as much (fun-wise) for one little humble catalin radio. I think its gonna be a hard sell for the seller, though. -ex Article: 329020 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:01:42 -0700 Message-ID: <24423-43C49F46-1020@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> References: <11s93h7ilsevc2c@corp.supernews.com> Never been able to get a soldering iron or station to melt solder in old radios fast enough . It works but very slow . I use an ordinary 2 speed Weller soldering gun . I do use a weller GT gun and a solder station on circuit boards . Article: 329021 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:24:54 -0800 Message-ID: References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> Carroll Senn wrote: > In the wake of what had to be a rare cosmic event, both of my trusted > Weller soldering irons expelled their magic smoke and refuse to work > any longer. > > I am looking for suggestions as to what to replace them with. It can > be an iron or a station. I don't want de-soldering as an option and > prefer something that can accept different elements or has variable > temp and has a variety of reasonably priced tips available. > > What do you use in your shop? Lots of good, hot finger-burners in the shop here: Weller TC201 soldering station- a cast-off from a fellow employee-he was just going to toss it in one of our dumpsters at work because he didn't use it anymore. Works perfectly, will probably come in handy as a spare if my more sophisticated irons ever die. Weller WLC100 solder station-This is the orange colored one that you can get new for $50-60. I got mine NIB for $20 at a flea. It looks like they took one of their more expensive stations and cheaped it out-the pencil is not detachable and the components seem more lightweight overall. Still, It's not bad-I have repaired many a radio with it. Weller EC2001 station-The flagship of the fleet in my shop. This is one of those Wellers that has an LED temperature readout and a knob to dial in the exact temperature you want. I found it in the bottom of a box of grab-bag junk I had bought at a swap with no tip, put a tip in it and it has worked fine for the last three years. It's really cool to be able to crank it way up when the need arises. Weller 125 watt pencil-This one is probably older than I am. It is huge and bulky and has a tip that's almost as big around as the bodies of some of my other pencil irons. It gets outrageously hot and is perfect for soldering and desoldering components that are soldered directly to a large chassis. I also have a few skinny low-watt pencils that I use occasionally for jobs that have very small components.Useful for soldering on cheap PC boards and the like. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 329022 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:59:31 -0400 Message-ID: <11s9en64a4lbba0@corp.supernews.com> References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> <1136942181.164914.201030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mark Oppat wrote: > whatever, nobody here should be using a conical tipped 25 watt pencil in old > radios. Just not the right thing. Get more wattage and a good chisel > tip... AND keep it in a stand with a wiping damp sponge! > > Can us pros agree on that statement? > > Mark Oppat Not a pro but i have to *fight* to justify using my 40 watt Weller with a 1/4" chisel tip! I know what you are saying...I'm not doing rocket ships, teevee sets and SMD stuff-just old radios. The *best* soldering device depends greatly on what you are using it for. Some guys like a big hog-leg American Beauty for the fun of recreating the good old days...some guys like controlled soldering staions to cover the variety of things they encounter outside the old radio realm. There's no "correct" answer here. -Bill Article: 329023 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Clive" Subject: Re: Very Cool! Wish I was in Illinois... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: "jim menning" wrote in message news:YZ%wf.30845$Dk.3069@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Entire-British-Radio-Collection_W0QQitemZ5852956046 > > > > I'll admit I don't know much about British radios, but do you really think there's > $3,000.00 worth there? > > jim menning > > They are all a bit tatty and there is nothing there that is particulary rare or collectable from a British point of view, just the standard fare you find in most British junk shops or flee markets. It must have cost him a tad to ship that lot over from the UK.... //Clive. Article: 329024 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: tube collectors? Message-ID: References: <66h4s19m10vrnjuu6eeuri827mgkk62mm4@4ax.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:40:53 GMT Thanks for the link! Gordon Richmond Article: 329025 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stein-Olav Lund Subject: Re: EBL21 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:43:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: Omer Suleimanagich wrote: > Does anybody know what nine pin tube is a replacement for this loctal tube > and does anybody know what the pinout would be for converting a loctal dummy > plug with nine pine socket, making a mini tube adapter? > > Omer > > Happy 2006, Omer! Why replace the EBL21, they are still around! There are _very_ few output pentodes with diodes, EBL1 and EBL31 are the only ones I can think of at the moment. None with 9-pin min. ... Are the diodes used? In that case, use one or two Germanium diodes for them, or substitute say a triode or a pentode in the audio circuits with a tube including diode(s). Use an EL84/6BQ5, or a smaller output tube with B9A base. Make an adapter with info from the tube data pages on the net. Stein Article: 329026 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <11s93h7ilsevc2c@corp.supernews.com> <24423-43C49F46-1020@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:06 GMT Oh, you haven't lived until you've tried to work with a car radio that has been sitting in the junkyard for 60 years! Right now I'm working on a 51 Mercury. The case is rusty; I opened it and it looks as though mice have been living inside. It is all "nest" with loads of nutshells. Every piece of the radio is caked with dirt and crud. It's a Sylvania set that weighs a bloody ton. The good news is that it's a conversion. Yes, I've rebuilt sets like this but I prefer conversions because I can throw most of it away. In this case, I began by removing the covers. I then took the radio outside and hit it with 100PSI from an air compressor and watched the stuff fly! Meanwhile I put the case pieces in the sink and sprayed them with Wesley's Bleche-wite and an acid-based metal cleaner. After getting these pieces clean and the rust off, I spray painted them with Rust-Oleum Hammertone. When I was finally able to touch the radio, I removed the tuner from the rest of it (the chassis gets thrown away, except for the tubes and paper caps. The caps go into this box which someday will be a present for someone who stuffs them. On certain radios I keep the transformers, IF's and other special parts.) The tuning mechanism also got an acid bath, although the plastic pushbuttons got Windex instead. After dry, the tuner got another bath in WD-40. Presently the tuner has been cleaned, adjusted, and is ready for use. The newly-painted case is ready. Today I will reassemble with a new PCB in the form of a stereo conversion -- when finished it will look original, but will cetainly be a far cry from the way I received it! Now, I've also got three radios, all three belong to the same customer, all three are rebuilds. They are from a 55 Chevy, 56 Chevy, and a 57 Chevy, all three are wonderbars. These aren't quite as bad as that Mercury, but bad enough. These get the wonderbar tuners cleaned up, and of course the usual recaps, rewiring, and other repairs. The 57 and 55 are finished; I will probably start on the 56 later today. THESE are the radios that will play havoc with your soldering tools, as every solder connection looks like pewter and just plain won't melt! And yes, I indeed remove and replace solder; as a professional I don't splice new leads to old ones or do Mickey Mouse patchwork. If a customer should open it up, he will see neat, professional workmanship. Of course to accomplish this on a steady basis, good soldering tools are mandatory. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Ken G." wrote in message news:24423-43C49F46-1020@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net... > Never been able to get a soldering iron or station to melt solder in old > radios fast enough . It works but very slow . I use an ordinary 2 speed > Weller soldering gun . I do use a weller GT gun and a solder station on > circuit boards . > Article: 329027 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C50048.4060509@sympatico.ca> From: John Bartley Subject: Re: Looking for an Electrohome schematic References: <1136943504.787673.153330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:55:36 -0500 Engineer wrote: > HIgh Vacuumlanders. > Does anyone have the circuit used by Electrohome for their phono preamp > stage in gramophone amplifiers such as their CONCORD IV? It's based on > a 12AX7 tube and has switched equalizing for: "FLAT, FFRR, LONDON LP, > RIAA, COLl. LP, EARLY 78". Roger, I have a shematic for "slave amplifier" models Canerbury I, Chorale I & II using 12ax7's into PP-6aq5's. If you think it might work - lemme know - I'll scan it for you. cheers -- regards from :: John Bartley 43 Norway Spruce Street Stittsville, Ontario Canada, K2S1P5 ( If you slow down it takes longer - does that apply to life also?) Article: 329028 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: How to restore paint going off in meter on HP 334? From: martin.krueger@alcatel.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Kr=FCger?=) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:13:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1h909x5.1pzsu67k3oiziN%martin.krueger@alcatel.de> Hi, I have an 334A distortion analyzer. Works fine, nice instrument, but the paint in the meter is going off, blocking the needle. After dismantling the meter (not a easy task, you have to take apart nearly the whole instrument), I discovered that its actually a kind of laquer on the paint which is going off in small parts. I may try adhesive band to take away the remaining lacquer, but I'm not sure if everything will go off like that nor if I might damage the paint itselft with this method. I may also try to reprint the cardboard, but then I have to take off the original one, which is glued on a metal plate. You may understand that I'm a bit hesitant to do any of these. I wonder if someone has another restore-advice. It seems that this is a common issue with HP equipment from this era. Cheers Martin Article: 329029 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: paulSPAM@paulsherwin.co.uk (Paul Sherwin) Subject: Re: EBL21 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:08:35 GMT Message-ID: <43c52beb.17202676@news.demon.co.uk> References: On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:43:31 +0100, Stein-Olav Lund wrote: > >Omer Suleimanagich wrote: > >> Does anybody know what nine pin tube is a replacement for this loctal tube >> and does anybody know what the pinout would be for converting a loctal dummy >> plug with nine pine socket, making a mini tube adapter? >> >Why replace the EBL21, they are still around! Not cheap though! >There are _very_ few output pentodes with diodes, EBL1 and EBL31 are the >only ones I can think of at the moment. None with 9-pin min. ... >Are the diodes used? >In that case, use one or two Germanium diodes for them, or substitute >say a triode or a pentode in the audio circuits with a tube including >diode(s). >Use an EL84/6BQ5, or a smaller output tube with B9A base. >Make an adapter with info from the tube data pages on the net. These are mainly found in short superhet designs without an AF preamp stage, so the slope of the tube is very important. An EL33 and 2 diodes would be a suitable replacement (or an EL22 if you can find one) and would look better than an EL84, but these are expensive also. American octal tubes like 6V6s don't have high enough slope in most designs. As Stein says, I'd just get another EBL21 if you can find one at a reasonable price. Good luck, Paul -- Paul Sherwin Consulting http://paulsherwin.co.uk Article: 329030 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: When did PC boards start to appear?? References: <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1136917418.492435.126150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <%raxf.10045$V.3701@fed1read04> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:35:28 -0700 According to the web site, Motorola introduced its "Handie-Talkie radio pocket pager" in 1956. It, of course, was on a PC board. It was also not their first pager, but rather the first one with individual-unit addressing. I would bet that earlier models were also PC-board-based products. Bill Jeffrey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``` shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote: > gb wrote: > >>Didn't the R-390A used a couple of turret boards for component mounting? > > > No, but some components are on PC boards, and the way that the PC > boards are used make them almost functionally identical to turret or > eyelet boards for all intents and purposes. > > e.g. almost all the components on PC boards are directly connected to a > wire running off the board and into the point-to-point chassis. (There > are a couple of RC networks and resistive dividers where there's an > intraboard connection). > > The boards look to be etched high-quality phenolic in the modules, and > the PC board on the mainframe seems to be glass epoxy. > > I was just looking in my 1950's QST's and by the mid-50's Heathkit was > selling several kits that used PCB's at the subcircuit level e.g. a few > tubes and a few dozen components per PC board, lotsa wires running off > to the chassis-mount parts. This subassembly philosophy lasted at least > through the HW-101 (still in production in the early-80's IIRC). > > Tim. > Article: 329031 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jim rozen Subject: Re: When did PC boards start to appear?? Date: 11 Jan 2006 09:14:10 -0800 Message-ID: References: <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> In article <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Bob Armstrong says... > It's a little outside the scope of this group, but I'm especially >interested in PC boards used in digital computers. A lot of the early >tube computers had plug in modules, but which were still point to point >wired. Did any of the tube computers have PC board modules? The IBM tape storage units used tubes mounted to PC boards. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== Article: 329032 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:31:07 -0600 Message-ID: <20331-43C540DB-5@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: I own at least five old tube type car radios,mostly old Ford tube type car radios.One of them is either a 1950 or 1951 Ford tube type car radio. cuhulin Article: 329033 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:42:50 -0600 Message-ID: <20330-43C5439A-32@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: I dont believe in that phoney baloney space ships and space aliens from other planets visiting Earth.There might be somebody out there millions of light years away from planet Earth,but I dont believe we will ever know for sure.I am sixty four years old,I haven't seen anything for real yet.A few years ago,either Popular Mechanics or Popular Science magazine had an article about U.S.fed govt would put any space critters from outer space in qurrantine and steal their spaceships.Check out your local area libraries for the magazine article. cuhulin Article: 329034 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Janssen Subject: Re: How to restore paint going off in meter on HP 334? References: <1h909x5.1pzsu67k3oiziN%martin.krueger@alcatel.de> Message-ID: <3pcxf.3454$OU3.2559@news01.roc.ny> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:47:27 GMT Martin Krüger wrote: >Hi, > >I have an 334A distortion analyzer. Works fine, nice instrument, but the >paint in the meter is going off, blocking the needle. > >After dismantling the meter (not a easy task, you have to take apart >nearly the whole instrument), I discovered that its actually a kind of >laquer on the paint which is going off in small parts. > >I may try adhesive band to take away the remaining lacquer, but I'm not >sure if everything will go off like that nor if I might damage the paint >itselft with this method. > >I may also try to reprint the cardboard, but then I have to take off the >original one, which is glued on a metal plate. > >You may understand that I'm a bit hesitant to do any of these. I wonder >if someone has another restore-advice. It seems that this is a common >issue with HP equipment from this era. > >Cheers >Martin > > > > I have had that problem with other HP instruments. In my case the meter got wet and the decal with the markings came loose. I managed to re-wet the decal with a tooth pick and press it back in place. It was a delicate job but it worked. Bill K7NOM Article: 329035 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Ampex pictures posted from whom? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:27:51 +0100 Message-ID: Dear all, Ca. midth of december there was about 60 pictures from/about Ampex Corporation posted on a.b.p.r Does anybody remember who was the poster? Thank you very much in advance. Kind Regards, Georg Article: 329036 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43c56e9e$0$11068$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations References: <11s93h7ilsevc2c@corp.supernews.com> <24423-43C49F46-1020@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Date: 11 Jan 2006 20:46:22 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > probably start on the 56 later today. THESE are the radios that will play > havoc with your soldering tools, as every solder connection looks like > pewter and just plain won't melt! And yes, I indeed remove and replace Or even worse, I once tried to do some soldering on a heavily oxidized connection, it didn't melt but actually sparked. I confirmed there was no charge left in any electrolytic, then tried again. There was definitely some thermo-electrical effect... - Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 329037 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carter, K8VT" Subject: Re: Gluing dial glass? References: <1136729808.558290.322390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1136824162.693517.212530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9wxwf.75555$tV6.61746@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> <1136831487.159607.313340@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:45:51 GMT Peter, Thanks for the interesting response, but possibly you are still missing the nature of my original question... Peter Wieck wrote: > Krylon is exactly as you suggest, a lacquer with a very light solvent > as a vehicle. I'm not sure what you mean by "very light" solvent. My can of Krylon Fixatif down in the shop is about 52% (!) solvent, not what I would define as "light". > Keep in mind the original intention of the material, to hold > down charcoal sketches and keep them from smearing. Exactly right--but charcoal or chalk drawings (as stated on the can) are not affected/dissolved by lacquer thinner. So this returns me to my original concern--dials are not charcoal. If the dials were done with *lacquer* based paint, I would worry (at least a little bit) that they could dissolve. If the dial paint was enamel based, then the thinner would not bother it. However, the proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say, and I'm glad you've had success with it. However, I have to believe that either you put on a *very* light coat or that the dial paint was other than lacquer based... > And, as we are treading into exotic applications, I am not sure of > things like Chartpak & LetraSet rub-off sheets are still available, but > years back, the came in all sorts of colors, styles, sizes and types, > symbols, numbers, letters, dingbats... whatever. Did you know that one > of their key characteristics was that they 'set' with the application > of Krylon? Yes, in my homebrewing days (TTY demodulator units, CW keyers, TTY message memories [to replace the punched paper tape], solid state RTTY tuning scopes), I did use the LetraSet on the aluminum front panels and did use Krylon--and almost 40 years later, they're still here! :-) Article: 329038 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve P." Subject: Re: Ampex pictures posted from whom? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:09:06 -0600 Message-ID: <11sb40hf0ul8s06@corp.supernews.com> References: Posted by Scott W Harvey. They're still all on my ISP's server. "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote in message news:dq3po7$r8u$00$1@news.t-online.com... > Ca. midth of december there was about 60 pictures > from/about Ampex Corporation posted on a.b.p.r > > Does anybody remember who was the poster? Article: 329039 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: ACOUSTICON-DICTOGRAPH ? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:19:36 +0100 Message-ID: Hi all, does anybody know something about http://cgi.ebay.de/ACOUSTICON-DICTOGRAPH-SEHR-GUTER-ZUSTAND_W0QQitemZ7 580328556 ? Maybe I would be crazy enough to bid ;-) TYVMIA Georg Article: 329040 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Very Cool! Wish I was in Illinois... Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:22:26 -0500 Message-ID: <11sbbqjgkkorffa@corp.supernews.com> References: <11s940veqpinvca@corp.supernews.com> - exray - wrote: > > I think its gonna be a hard sell for the seller, though. > > When I buy radios by the dozen like this I pay 1/2 of swap/low eBay value and tell them so. By this measure the reserve is indeed generous. But exray is right that the shipping alone would be over a grand likely anyway. If they were hundreds of miles closer I might even bid 2K anyway. John H. Article: 329041 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Stone" References: <29603-43B3EAFC-3@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> <1136795380.781652.38980@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: So what is on AM these days ? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:48:54 GMT Jeff, As the ARES/RACES EC/RO and County Skywarn Coordinator for my area I can tell you from 10 years of volunteering the process on paper is not what is always carried out, especially with my local broadcasters. The details are way O/T for this group. Steve N2UBP Article: 329042 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa /W4 Snowbird) References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:40:41 GMT In article , onw9mapsgb@no.arrl.spam.net says... > > >BTW, inside the WLC100 base unit is a UL approved OEM light dimmer (standard >Diac / Triac) -- just like the project form ARRL Handbook since 1970s ... >expensive station for a $ 2 light dimmer module. > Yup it also works great as broad band noise generator to set the 600 Khz padder on the radios in the right spot without having to rock the dial! John Article: 329043 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa /W4 Snowbird) References: <11s93h7ilsevc2c@corp.supernews.com> <24423-43C49F46-1020@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:46:13 GMT In article , gtayman@gate.net says... > > >And yes, I indeed remove and replace >solder; as a professional I don't splice new leads to old ones or do Mickey >Mouse patchwork. If a customer should open it up, he will see neat, >professional workmanship. Of course to accomplish this on a steady basis, >good soldering tools are mandatory. >-- >Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical some of those nasty old solder blobs you have to add a bit of fresh stuff just to get it to melt so you can remove the crap and clean up the area before you install the new parts... yup it takes a bit of time.. yup we do it on all of them... John k9uwa /w4 Article: 329044 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:11:11 -0500 "Sofa Slug" wrote in message news:emSwf.4964$fb4.3117@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > > You will no doubt get a lot of recommendations for Wellers. I have used > those too and they are good, but tend to go through tips faster than the > above products. I don't feel that the build quality is what it used to > be, either. The older Wellers seem to live forever, but the housings and > connectors on the new units look flimsy, and QC seems to be mediocre at > best. I bought a brand new WTCPT model recently and the mechanical temp > control assembly failed right out of the box (the Edsyn & Hakko have > electronic temp control). If you must have a Weller, I would go for one > of the electronic temp controlled WES51 or WESD51 models. > > - S I've used Weller stations for years, and noticed the same thing. The quality suffered when Cooper took over Weller (as well as the Xcellite and other well known brands). Shoddy workmanship seems to be a common problem (stripped screws holding the iron assembly to the plastic handle, etc.) Pete Article: 329045 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> <1136942181.164914.201030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11s9en64a4lbba0@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:17:31 -0500 "- exray -" wrote in message news:11s9en64a4lbba0@corp.supernews.com... > Mark Oppat wrote: > > > Not a pro but i have to *fight* to justify using my 40 watt Weller with > a 1/4" chisel tip! I know what you are saying...I'm not doing rocket > ships, teevee sets and SMD stuff-just old radios. > The *best* soldering device depends greatly on what you are using it > for. Some guys like a big hog-leg American Beauty for the fun of > recreating the good old days...some guys like controlled soldering > staions to cover the variety of things they encounter outside the old > radio realm. > There's no "correct" answer here. > > -Bill Three Weller stations on the bench, and they adequately do 90% of the soldering I have to do in vintage radios. For direct chassis soldering, there's always the 300-watt Weller gun, or several Ungar irons with the heavy duty chisel tips and ceramic heater elements. Pete Article: 329046 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: ISH Subject: Re: ACOUSTICON-DICTOGRAPH ? Message-ID: <3ugbs196g1b93ihheh9k1o3uu5idrrl0c3@4ax.com> References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:52:32 GMT On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:19:36 +0100, "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote: >580328556 That is a very early hearing aid, circa 1930. I sold one on Ebay about 5 years or so ago. They werent very good, just a transducer with little or no amplification. Worked on a battery. Mike Ish Article: 329047 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20330-43C5439A-32@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> <1137010798.262484.46630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> In <1137010798.262484.46630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >As I noted before, if we actually were visited, we would never know or >never survive. Let's assume that by some wild coincidence, our >metabolism was sufficiently similar to their metabolism (or chemistry, >or whatever) that some substance common to them would be infectious (as >opposed to toxic) to us. We would have absolutely no immunities >whatsoever, so whether by accident or design, we would not survive the >meeting. Of course, should this be the case, it is equally unlikely >that they would survive either... the premise of the original War of >the Worlds... Herbert George did not take it that extra step of us >getting an infection from them. Yabbut... this has happened before, amongst different human races, and whereas large numbers were wiped out a few managed to survive long enough to develop an immune response. Yes, I know, you're talking about something overwhelming. Like what if they could carry Ebola with no harm? Anything that vicious doesn't spread far amongst humans because it kills the host too fast. Still, it's not necessarily an all-or-nothing proposition. Our immune system is a pretty poor design, but it works every now and them. >And if some truly exploratory species were to happen upon us, there >would be no reason to expect them to recognize that we are either >intelligent or even alive by their measure. But, for the sake of >speculation, assume that they do and that they are still interested. >For even one moment, does anyone think that they would make contact via >semi-experimental methods and on marginal individuals? It is far more >likely that they would do the functional equivalent of land in the >White House Rose Garden, the Kremlin or St. Peter's Square depending on >their peculiar persuasion. Given that they have the ability to avoid >radar and other detection methods so as to do what they are purported >to do anyway, that would be a piece of cake to pull off. There's a theory, the Dangerous Universe Theory (the Dick Cheney theory?) that postulates any species that gets smart enough to travel Out There quickly realizes it's best to HIDE. Pretty grim viewpoint. And they'd be very unlikely to be using electromagnetics. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 329048 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: When did PC boards start to appear?? Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1136749951.967109.271240@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <11s4lfso821fl39@corp.supernews.com> <1136993921.783112.125000@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In "Phil Nelson" writes: >At the 1939 New York World's Fair, RCA exhibited its latest TV with a >see-through Lucite cabinet. >http://www.mztv.com/newframe.asp?content=http://www.mztv.com/worldfairtvs/phantom.html >Now *that's* a cool piece of plastic :-) Damn straight! It's all new, however, except for the lid. The case was, as I've heard the story, destroyed by a forklift running into it at the airport back in the 80's. Three of these sets were made for the the fair. This is the only one known to be left. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 329049 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: <1137034242.630877.5620@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:01:22 GMT I agree 1000%. I have a 206 which I bought from a guy who had started to restore it, and apparently gave up in utter frustration. He didn't bother to tell me the situation, he claimed he forgot. He did do a lot of work on it, though, and what he did was done well. In addition to all the normal stuff, he found he had to replace the band switch. That's a nightmare even in a well designed radio. In this one, a number of the wires have to go to coils mounted above the chassis. They have to be prewired to the coils, since you can't remove the shields to get access to the terminals once the coils are mounted on the chassis. The problem is, you also have to prewire the bandswitch before mounting it in the chassis. But you can't prewire it, because some of the same wires have to be prewired to the above-chassis coils. You can't prewire both ends of the same wires! It's the Catch 22 of radios. I came to the same conclusion about the fate of AK. Repairment must have really hated them even before the rubber insulation disease set in. It went back on the shelf. Maybe sometime I will get around to finishing it. Maybe not. -- Mike Schultz wrote in message news:1137034242.630877.5620@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I'm restoring an AK 206 chassis. What a cool radio and what a > technical mess! It is filled with rubber wiring that has long ago > deterioriated. This kind of wiring was, for the most part, unique to > AK products. The solder connections are simply laid on a pad and > soldered; no eyelets to hold the wires. The resistors and capacitors > are unique to the era in appearance and are all suspect. The chassis > is packed with wiring and is very hard to work on. Yes, I have it > working (still have a number of caps to replace). Despite the classy > appearance of a plated chassis and fancy tube shields, it is an > engineering and repairman's nightmare. It is also apt to early > failure. No wonder Atwater bailed out of the radio business and joined > his celebrity friends. He knew he had created a monster and could > never compete with Philco! Just my humble opinion (no I am not an AK > expert and no I haven't read Atwater Kent, the man and his marvels, or > whatever). > Comments? > Dave > Article: 329050 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" References: <27118-43C20E81-21@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <1136819661.237166.152460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What gives an old radio that characteristic smell when it is ru... Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:03:18 -0700 The smell of an old radio, even not running, smells like my grandfather.... My wife thinks I am crazy, but when ever I get a whiff of that smell,,, its off to remembering land for me... Grandpa and I had some great times..... and he always smelled that way!!!! Bob in phx "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1136819661.237166.152460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I like the smell of a new 6F6 metal (or 5Z4 metal) burning in. My wife > always asks, "what are you burning?" The Airline movie dial chassis I > just fixed has all metal tubes - except the eye...now there's a smell. > Article: 329051 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" References: <1136991039.561228.286700@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: EBL21 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:08:58 GMT Thanks for the offer Mark! Do you guys think that a 6BV7 is a possibility if I want to go small? Omer "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:tZmdnZbqy5gMTljeRVn-uA@comcast.com... > If you need any asbestos shields, I have a few (honest!). and, lets not > get into the asbestos debate again here, you know I believe its an > overblown mess... > > Mark Oppat > > > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > news:Z4kxf.447$9t6.375@tornado.socal.rr.com... >> >> >> Omer Suleimanagich wrote: >> > I was thinking that if I get a smaller power tube in there >> >> Actually, one of those small white asbestos heat shields over >> the tube would work fine. After all, that's what they weere put >> in radios for in the first place. >> >> Jeff >> >> -- >> RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to >> the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal >> force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED >> under the Internal Security Act of 1950. >> > > > Article: 329052 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: What gives an old radio that characteristic smell when it is ru... Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <27118-43C20E81-21@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <1136819661.237166.152460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In "Bob in Phx" writes: >The smell of an old radio, even not running, smells like my grandfather.... >My wife thinks I am crazy, but when ever I get a whiff of that smell,,, its >off to remembering land for me... Grandpa and I had some great times..... >and he always smelled that way!!!! He must've been tube powered! -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 329053 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:42:06 -0600 Message-ID: <19280-43C5DE1E-1@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <1137011896.782820.200870@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I like to collect all kinds of old,old thingys,thingys I buy at the thrift stores,junk shops,fleamarkets,etc.I own two American Beauty (brand name) electric soldering irons.One of them works,the other one does not work.I have been a junk collector (but it's not all junk) all my life. cuhulin Article: 329054 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:50:47 -0600 Message-ID: <19278-43C5E027-34@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <4rexf.4024$WY5.1147@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> I know it is either a 1950 or 1951 Ford car radio because I remember what those radios look like.About two years ago when I was hanging around a Goodwill thrift store,I saw a big paper bag of old tube type car radios.Of course I bought them all.The 1950 or 1951 tube type Ford car radio,I bought that one at a local auto junk yard about thirty years ago.I dont know if any of my tube type car radios work,because I haven't gotten around (I am soooooo lazy nowdays) to hooking them up and trying them out. cuhulin Article: 329055 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:59:51 -0600 Message-ID: <19277-43C5E247-131@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <1137017882.857597.217000@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I own an old Unger that I bought at a Goodwill thrift store years ago.Those Ungars are strange looking soldering irons with different plug in tips.I also own a Dillon MK III cutting/welding torch gun that I bought at a Goodwill store and a Lincoln crackerbox electric welding machine that I bought brand new in 1972 and an oxyacetelyne cutting/welding torch rig and a big sandblaster that I made out of a big steel tank that I bought at a local scrap metal place. cuhulin Article: 329056 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:05:54 -0600 Message-ID: <19277-43C5E3B2-132@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: Those little electric thingys for burning designs in wood work pretty good for light duty soldering. cuhulin Article: 329057 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:22:16 -0600 Message-ID: <19277-43C5E788-133@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <3-CdnfL254z0R1jenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com> Those old car tube type car radios use something called a buzzer (if I am not mistaken) and sometimes those buzzers (buzzers?) would get to acting up.Usually,it was a simple fix to repair those old buzzers.Maybe I am not using the right name for,buzzers? cuhulin Article: 329058 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:36:09 -0600 Message-ID: <19277-43C5EAC9-134@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <1137037030.739062.301720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Back in those years,(Atwater Kent and all products manufactured and sold in America) there weren't any Warranties.There were 100 Percent Guarantees.If not satisfied with whatever product(s) 100 Percent Guarantee Money Back,no questions asked.Nowdays,Warranties let a lot of manufacturers off the hook about a lot of things. cuhulin Article: 329059 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Ampex pictures posted from whom? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:06:52 -0800 Message-ID: References: <11sb40hf0ul8s06@corp.supernews.com> Steve P. wrote: > Posted by Scott W Harvey. They're still all on my ISP's server. Yes, it was me. What do you need to know? -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 329060 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: How to restore paint going off in meter on HP 334? From: martin.krueger@alcatel.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Kr=FCger?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:51:28 +0100 Message-ID: <1h91moy.1of909b1d8bt8gN%martin.krueger@alcatel.de> References: <1h909x5.1pzsu67k3oiziN%martin.krueger@alcatel.de> John Stone wrote: > On 1/11/06 8:13 AM, in article > 1h909x5.1pzsu67k3oiziN%martin.krueger@alcatel.de, "Martin Krüger" > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have an 334A distortion analyzer. Works fine, nice instrument, but the > > paint in the meter is going off, blocking the needle. ... > > Interesting. I have a 334A myself, and the meter looks just like new. I > wonder if it doesn't have something to do with the environment the > instrument has lived in over the years. In any event, these are pretty > common instruments that can be had used for little money. I think I paid > less than $200 for a fully calibrated one some years back. In the US, you > could probably find a parts unit with a good meter for under $100. I got the instrument via Ebay from an electronics manufacturer who bought it new, with all original documentation. The lab where I picked it up made a good impression on me. Nevertheless, the instruments front was rather dirty, and the big dial on the right has a brown-greenish shine on it, like if it corroded. The meter itself is quite well sealed, and the interiour of the instrument is mint. So I'm hesitant to blame usage or storage conditions. Cheers Martin Article: 329061 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: How to restore paint going off in meter on HP 334? From: martin.krueger@alcatel.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Kr=FCger?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:51:29 +0100 Message-ID: <1h91n40.h84grj1ktcsu6N%martin.krueger@alcatel.de> References: <1h909x5.1pzsu67k3oiziN%martin.krueger@alcatel.de> <3pcxf.3454$OU3.2559@news01.roc.ny> What is the decal? Well, today I'll try to scan the cardboard. 600dpi should be enough, difficulty is probably to re-print it exactly in size. Cheers Martin Bill Janssen wrote: > Martin Krüger wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I have an 334A distortion analyzer. Works fine, nice instrument, but the > >paint in the meter is going off, blocking the needle. > > > >After dismantling the meter (not a easy task, you have to take apart > >nearly the whole instrument), I discovered that its actually a kind of > >laquer on the paint which is going off in small parts. > > > >I may try adhesive band to take away the remaining lacquer, but I'm not > >sure if everything will go off like that nor if I might damage the paint > >itselft with this method. > > > >I may also try to reprint the cardboard, but then I have to take off the > >original one, which is glued on a metal plate. > > > >You may understand that I'm a bit hesitant to do any of these. I wonder > >if someone has another restore-advice. It seems that this is a common > >issue with HP equipment from this era. > > > >Cheers > >Martin > > > > > > > > > I have had that problem with other HP instruments. In my case the meter > got wet and the decal > with the markings came loose. I managed to re-wet the decal with a tooth > pick and press it back > in place. It was a delicate job but it worked. > > Bill K7NOM Article: 329062 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: What gives an old radio that characteristic smell when it is ru... From: Wayne Boatwright References: <27118-43C20E81-21@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <1136819661.237166.152460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: 12 Jan 2006 08:59:59 +0100 On Wed 11 Jan 2006 09:26:42p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Tim Mullen? > In "Bob in Phx" > writes: > >>The smell of an old radio, even not running, smells like my >>grandfather.... My wife thinks I am crazy, but when ever I get a whiff >>of that smell,,, its off to remembering land for me... Grandpa and I had >>some great times..... and he always smelled that way!!!! > > He must've been tube powered! > An early model robot. -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* __________________________________________________________________ And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony. Remove all "xxx's" from address to e-mail directly. Article: 329063 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Old radios/old cars Message-ID: <194cs11q7gim3nl0ae3uk2gstgpi2fjqrb@4ax.com> References: <407-43C277BC-367@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:34:50 GMT Cuhulin, the only pictures I can find right now are of the engine for the Jeep. I bought a '47 CJ2A, all in pieces, with a supposedly rebuilt engine sitting on a rolling chassis. Got it home, and got the engine running. It actually does sound like a fresh rebuild. I'm not about to tear it down to find out. The body tub was rusty, so I decided to buy a reproduction body, and since I was doing that, decided to to get a "hybrid" body that looks externally like a Willys MB, but is designed to fit the CJ chassis. It still has required quite a bit of fabrication to make it fit. In the course of working on it, I learned that the engine is actually a Ford-built engine from a GPW, complete with numerous "F" markings, right down to the oil pan. I expect that an early owner of the CJ bought a surplus military Jeep engine from Princess Auto back in the day.... Currently, the body tub is bolted down on the frame, brakes are redone, transmission and transfer case are functional, and steering box and linkage are up to snuff. New tires mounted on sandblasted and painted rims. Remaining to do: seats, windshield, front fenders, fuel tank, radiator, grille, and all electrical items. All I want in the end is to have a nice driver that resembles a WWII Jeep, but I sure don't plan on claiming that it IS such. Apologies for straying off-topic, Gordon Richmond Article: 329064 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:08:44 -0600 Message-ID: <13935-43C670FC-218@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: That's what I meant to say,vibrators,instead of buzzers.When they went haywire,they usually would make a sort of buzzing noise.I once read somewhere,years and years ago,Rolls Royce/Bently was the last holdouts to continue using tube type radios in their cars.I know a woman whom lives not far (about eight or ten miles) from the Goodwood factory in England. cuhulin Article: 329065 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1137034242.630877.5620@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1137074533.490608.61810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:17:32 GMT To some degree, I think you're right. During the 1920's these radios sold for $100-400, which in today's money would be in the multiple thousands. It's no wonder that many people made radios from oatmeal boxes or whatever they could get their hands on. If somebody was energetic enough, he could build a radio from someone else's design. Not only did this short-circuit the royalties that would normally be given to the designer, but it was a way of getting around patents. It would not be too difficult to "steal" some design cues, build a radio of your own, and then sell either the plans or even a kit. Of course this could never be stopped, but many manufacturers built radios in such a way as to make it difficult to reverse engineer, and provide technical information only to authorized dealers. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com wrote in message news:1137074533.490608.61810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> This kind of wiring was, for the most part, unique to AK products. > > Ah, but maybe that was their technical model for them staying in > business. Make your radio unique, make sure that no random tech can > repair it, make sure that they come to the factory-authorized tech and > put in only factory-authorized parts and wires. > > Sound like what the auto industry wanted to do (modulo the > Magnusson-Moss act)? Sound like what the consumer electronics industry > has been doing for many years? (Discount the fact that many modern > things simply aren't repairable economically at all.) Sound like what > the inkjet printer makers want to do? (They even got congress to pass a > law to make it illegal to reverse engineer the inkjet cartridges.) > > Tim. > Article: 329066 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Art Bell's wife,Ramona,dies suddenly at 47 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:18:31 -0600 Message-ID: <13935-43C67347-221@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1137075992.865490.150250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> I admit that I pick on Art Bell and George Noory,sometimes.But LQQK,they are A OK guys.I still dont believe 99.99 percent of that stuff they talk about on C to C.They have their niche and they are doing OK.I give them credit for that. cuhulin Article: 329067 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Art Bell's wife,Ramona,dies suddenly at 47 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:20:10 -0600 Message-ID: <13935-43C673AA-223@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1137075992.865490.150250@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> At least Art Bell and George Noory are a heck of a lot better than stern can ever be! cuhulin Article: 329068 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:30:56 -0600 Message-ID: <13935-43C67630-227@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1137075127.930092.92540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Crude and poorly engineered Model T Ford? I own a 1914 Ford Model T Runabout Roadster car and I also own a 1926 Ford Model T chassis.Oh,I wouldn't say the Ford Model T cars and trucks were poorly engineered at all.In many ways,they were ahead of the herd.Look at the automatic transmission in your vehicle,look at top notch metalurgy,Ford Model T's had that wayyyy back then,and much more.Henry Ford really did put the World on Wheels.Brother,you should read up on the History of Automobiles in America. cuhulin Article: 329069 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:33:05 -0600 Message-ID: <13936-43C676B1-52@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1137075127.930092.92540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> who fought the Selden patent,and won? Henry Ford did.I Applaude Atwater Kent for not going union. cuhulin Article: 329070 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:58:21 -0800 Message-ID: <16154-43C67C9D-180@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Gary T.: >The biggest culprit is the buffer -- usually >.068uf, 1600 volts. Um, shouldn't that be .0068 uf? If memory serves, buffer values were generally between .005 and .01 or so. Bill(oc) Article: 329071 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:16:11 -0800 Message-ID: <16154-43C680CB-181@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: <1137067973.431762.220530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Peter, you missed your calling 'way back. You shoulda gone to work for Roddenberry writing StarTrek plots. References: <16154-43C67C9D-180@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> Back in the 1940's,I lived catty corner across the street from a Ford dealership.My Grandfather bought a new 1950 Ford car.I can't get rid of my 1950 Ford car radio even if I wanted to.It is not the actual car radio that was in his car.The Ford dealership used to give out free scale models of their new Ford cars every year,solid steel model Ford cars.I still own three of them.I just can't get rid of my old things. cuhulin Article: 329073 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:27:41 -0700 Message-ID: <26972-43C6837D-246@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <19277-43C5EAC9-134@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> I have worked on several AKs like that . The last 2 consoles both had a flat metal box mounted under chassis with 11 capacitors in it and they were both shorted in some way . On top of that they riveted hard paper strips over all the wires soldered to that cap block so you have to hack that away to even get started One of them had a sub chassis on top that had 10 capacitors under it . They left such short wires i could not get it open far enough to work on it plus the wires were crumbling . I spent some time pulling apart one of those cap blocks expecting to see a row of ordinary caps in there . Nope... it was one big turd with wires sticking out all over .. A short waiting to happen . Those ``laid in `` connections were never a problen in the ones i restored . I bet pretty high those type connections would never fly with todays solder . I also think their use of coil forms to mount resistors and capacitors is clever Despite all that those radios are super good preformers both reception and sound quality . The one i still have is a model 310 ten tube i think console that turned out super nice . Article: 329074 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:36:21 -0800 Message-ID: <16154-43C68585-183@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: <11scs7cb7s8728b@corp.supernews.com> >From Bret L.: >Radio Shack is a cancer on the earth. I >won't allow anything Radio Shack >branded-Micronta,.... I hate them so >much. Doing business with them would >be like....I can't think of anything that >disgusting right off. And I can be very >disgusting. Hmm. I tend to agree in large part, but had one experience that seems to be an exception to the rule. Back in the summer of '93, RS came out with their very first video surveillance camera/monitor system, priced at around $450 for the whole works, and I bought one for my apartment building (the camera turned out to be an old vidacon-based design.) Anyhow, the system has been in use continuously, for 12=BD years. The camera still works perfect and the monitor's CRT is still bright. So apparently there is an exception to every rule. I wonder if a CCD-based camera would've lasted near as long. Bill(oc) Article: 329075 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: I Wish References: <1137067973.431762.220530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16154-43C680CB-181@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> <1137084578.581221.181540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <3Rvxf.3120$mP1.467@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:54:23 GMT Another good place to peruse... http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/index.html It has some keen observations on how all this should interplay. Jeff Peter Wieck wrote: > Why, thank you! > > I have always thought that most SF is so much optimistic twaddle... > great fun and I read a lot of it, but about as realistic as Bugs Bunny. > > Good Fun Reading: King David's Spaceship (Jerry Pournelle). > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 329076 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: I Wish References: <1137067973.431762.220530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16154-43C680CB-181@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> <1137084578.581221.181540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <4Wvxf.58962$Lb1.29190@bignews3.bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:01:29 -0600 Peter Wieck wrote: > Why, thank you! > > I have always thought that most SF is so much optimistic twaddle... > great fun and I read a lot of it, but about as realistic as Bugs Bunny. > > Good Fun Reading: King David's Spaceship (Jerry Pournelle). > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Actually almost anything by Pournelle, especially the collaborations between him and David Niven. "The Mote..." series especially recommended. jak Article: 329077 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:55:02 -0800 Message-ID: <16154-43C689E6-184@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: <13935-43C67630-227@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Mr. Cuhulin, How are the kingpins in your Model Ts? Somewhere along in the T's evolution, old Henry saw that the kingpins were outlasting the car, so he purportedly started putting in softer kingpins, the result of which began showing up in later models at high mileage. Whether urban legend or not, the practice of downgrading overspec'ed parts woulda been entirely practical from the cost-cutting perspective. Bill(oc) Article: 329078 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS) Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:06:50 GMT Message-ID: References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> <1136942181.164914.201030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1137074341.204766.44200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In article , "Gary Tayman" wrote: >> Radio Shack is a cancer on the earth. I won't allow anything Radio >> Shack branded-Micronta, Optimus, you name it- in my house. I have paid > >Wow -- they must have some serious cooties! > >> >> If Radio Shack sells it, nine times out if ten you can buy better >> cheaper elsewhere. >> > >To be honest, and you have to admit this, that tenth time -- or maybe that >100th time -- they actually hit a home run. There's no disputing that the >products are usually of the cheap variety, and the Allied components can be >a bit lacking, but there have been some really good ones. I recall an >series 2000 stereo amp, made during the late 70's, that actually raised some >eyebrows among the audiophile crowd. But then they did what they're known >for -- making a top notch product, then when it catches on they drop it. Thats one of my biggest complaints. Even components, they had some chassis that i liked, They found a way to make them a whole lot less usefull (cheaper) Basically a good product turned junk. I always thought it was funny with all their ventures into computers, the store was the last to incorporate networking of all their stores. I was actually impressed with the overall stock of a newly remodled store near me. greg >One recent product has been speakers -- not full range audiophile type, but >the cheap replacement speakers for car radios and other small devices. >These speakers were inexpensive, well built, and had jumpers to allow for 4 >ohm, 8 ohm, or 16 ohm use. They were great replacement speakers for >original radios in classic cars. However one day they were gone. Now -- in >this case I can easily see where market comes into play They may have >dropped the product for lack of sales. Still, I can honestly say that every >once in awhile, they make something really great. > > >> Some day, I will see in the paper someone has pulled a James Huberty >> at a Shack somewhere, and I will have no sympathy, at least not for the >> employees. Many of them are criminals and psychopaths. Most are stupid. >> They have openly admitted to me they only hire abrasive, pushy and >> arrogant kids with no electronics knowledge and they consider serious >> electronics people to all be shoplifters, time wasters and child >> buggerers. >> > >Have you told Ted Kennedy about this? He'll try and link San Alito to it. > > > Article: 329079 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:18:23 -0600 Message-ID: <13514-43C68F5F-269@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <16154-43C68585-183@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> There are some cute wimmins that work at the dozen or so Radio Shack stores around here. cuhulin Article: 329080 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:25:22 -0800 Message-ID: <10174-43C69102-244@storefull-3118.bay.webtv.net> References: <16154-43C689E6-184@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> I don't think I would say AK's are really bad. I have worked on a few, and some other difficult sets come to mind before AK's. How about a 15 tube Grunow, with some caps in between sections of the bandswitch. Or a Emerson tombstone catalin with a deep chassis, removing a bad IF can. And lets not forget the RCA deep chassis sets and also the Philcos with the removable chassis section. I think that most companies had difficult to service sets, but probably in the time that they were in everyday use, many of the problems we see now were rarely seen at that time. Article: 329081 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:28:27 -0600 Message-ID: <13516-43C691BB-23@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: alito? www.thinkprogress.org cuhulin Article: 329082 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:22:31 -0600 Message-ID: <13516-43C69057-22@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <16154-43C68585-183@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> www.x10.com sells some cameras,but they use cheap plastic lenses.I reccomend getting some plain glass cut to fit and tapeing the glass over the cheap plastic X10 camera lens. cuhulin Article: 329083 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:36:08 -0600 Message-ID: <13514-43C69388-270@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <16154-43C680CB-181@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> If they are going to do anything,they better hurry up.In about four and a half billion years,our Sun is going to burn out and that's all she wrote! cuhulin Article: 329084 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:45:56 -0600 Message-ID: <13514-43C695D4-271@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <16154-43C689E6-184@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> The king pins in my 1914 Ford Model T car are still in great condition.No wobble or free play or anything like that.TIP: Never air up a T Model Ford tube/tire unless you jack it up first.I learned that the hard way.I still need to buy a new tube from Coker. cuhulin Article: 329085 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve P." Subject: Re: Curbside finds Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:55:34 -0600 Message-ID: <11sd60lf5r42n69@corp.supernews.com> References: <1137076710.154216.188640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Don't knock it. Those discarded yuppie thrift store finds and strong economy have been "very good" to me, to say the least, during my recent bout with unemployment. "Bret Ludwig" wrote in message news:1137076710.154216.188640@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > It really does amaze me what people throw out, especially yuppies with > fat credit cards. Hopefully the stock market will > zoom...zooom...zoom...and BOOM!!!! wiping out a few trillion in market > cap and wastefulness will decline markedly... Article: 329086 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Curbside finds Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:00:57 -0600 Message-ID: <13514-43C69959-275@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <1137086534.121795.42730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Whatever good curbside finds you can find,pick them up and take them home with you.Which reminds me,I am heading on over to the Goodwill thrift store in about half an hour,as usual. cuhulin Article: 329087 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> <1136942181.164914.201030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1137074341.204766.44200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:20:32 -0600 Message-ID: <43c69c77$0$3021$6d36acad@roc.nntpserver.com> "Bret Ludwig" wrote in message news:1137074341.204766.44200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > Some day, I will see in the paper someone has pulled a James Huberty > at a Shack somewhere, and I will have no sympathy, at least not for the > employees. Many of them are criminals and psychopaths. Most are stupid. > They have openly admitted to me they only hire abrasive, pushy and > arrogant kids with no electronics knowledge and they consider serious > electronics people to all be shoplifters, time wasters and child > buggerers. Sorry you have such bad RSs in your neighborhood. The ones around me are staffed by people who have been there since they sold vacuum tubes new and are in nice neighborhoods. They're pretty good. And coming back around to the subject, my "soldering station" came from RS (though it's also sold elsewhere) Google 20w 40w "soldering station" to see it. Just a 40W pencil attached to a stand with a sponge, and a diode to cut the wattage in half for finer stuff. Works fine for me, never gets too hot to hold and I use a huge heavy-duty pyramid tip that really transfers heat. Got it on sale for $15 though it's usually $22, you can't get it cheaper elsewhere. paul Article: 329088 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C6A060.ECC149D6@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Art Bell's wife, Ramona, dies suddenly at 47 References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:31:31 GMT Bret Ludwig wrote: > > I'm sorry to hear the woman died but Art Bell is still a lousy > broadcaster IMO. I don't think he has really done a lot for radio > except to sell a lot of stuff for C.Crane. Every loser and fraud can go > on his show as long as it is a good ghost story or apocalypse or devil > posession warning. He's on a Cub Scout campfire level. > > Who has done the most for radio? Local broadcasters covering local > material in an interesting and timely fashion. Sadly, they are about > gone. Fart Smell is lower than Stern in my opinion. WOCA here in Ocala has a number of locally produced shows, and on a variety of topics. I am on their "veterans news" program most weeks. It is aired live from 9:00 AM to 10:00 AM on Thursday mornings and covers a wide range of topics of interst to veterans. Today, the first half was about helping those who are returning home from active duty to find jobs and places to live. The rest of the show was about helping homeless Veterans get back on their feet. At the last count there were over 2000 homeless Veterans in Marion County, Fl. with most of them living in the Ocala National Forest. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 329089 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS) Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:20:04 GMT Message-ID: References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> <1136942181.164914.201030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1137074341.204766.44200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <43c69c77$0$3021$6d36acad@roc.nntpserver.com> In article <43c69c77$0$3021$6d36acad@roc.nntpserver.com>, "Paul Dietenberger" wrote: > >"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message >news:1137074341.204766.44200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> > >> Some day, I will see in the paper someone has pulled a James Huberty >> at a Shack somewhere, and I will have no sympathy, at least not for the >> employees. Many of them are criminals and psychopaths. Most are stupid. >> They have openly admitted to me they only hire abrasive, pushy and >> arrogant kids with no electronics knowledge and they consider serious >> electronics people to all be shoplifters, time wasters and child >> buggerers. > >Sorry you have such bad RSs in your neighborhood. The ones around me are >staffed by people who have been there since they sold vacuum tubes new and >are in nice neighborhoods. They're pretty good. > >And coming back around to the subject, my "soldering station" came from RS >(though it's also sold elsewhere) Google > >20w 40w "soldering station" > >to see it. Just a 40W pencil attached to a stand with a sponge, and a diode >to cut the wattage in half for finer stuff. Works fine for me, never gets >too hot to hold and I use a huge heavy-duty pyramid tip that really >transfers heat. Got it on sale for $15 though it's usually $22, you can't >get it cheaper elsewhere. > >paul I bougth one of those dual temperature irons last year because I had to fly out to San Francisco to work on something. It worked OK. I also have on hand the Radio Shack gun of 250 watts, helpfull for the big stuff. greg Article: 329090 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1137097123.530189.252880@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: BEWARE-EBAY BUYER "VOXPOPPER"-lunatic leaving multiple negs for sellers ! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:04:22 -0500 "the MAGNATE" wrote in message news:1137097123.530189.252880@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... a Sounds like you were selling CRAP, regardless of the price, and skinning the guy on shipping. Do we know you by another name on here by chance? Article: 329091 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: What gives an old radio that characteristic smell when it is References: <1Wkwf.716528$xm3.294739@attbi_s21> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:06:59 GMT I think one factor is old tobacco smoke that has condensed inside the cabinet and on old tubes. I remember when my family had card games and all my aunts and uncles smoked, you could cut the air with a knife. William R. Walsh wrote: > Hello all... > > Right now I'm listening to the trashpicked Zenith 7C05 (chassis number) and > it is still doing great. I've doing that since about 7 PM (CST) tonight as > there is a classic country music program on a nearby FM station that is > really quite good. > > Well, doing that brings up a question...just what is that smell that comes > from an operating tube-type set? I notice that all of mine (some wooden, > some plastic, and all are table radios) produce a very similar smell when > operating. > > I'm not complaining...just curious... > > (And please forgive me if I've asked this before.) > > William > > Article: 329092 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: <1137034242.630877.5620@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:39:31 GMT For the skeptics, I posted some pictures of a basically untouched 206 chassis in the binaries group. -- Mike Schultz wrote in message news:1137034242.630877.5620@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I'm restoring an AK 206 chassis. What a cool radio and what a > technical mess! It is filled with rubber wiring that has long ago > deterioriated. This kind of wiring was, for the most part, unique to > AK products. The solder connections are simply laid on a pad and > soldered; no eyelets to hold the wires. The resistors and capacitors > are unique to the era in appearance and are all suspect. The chassis > is packed with wiring and is very hard to work on. Yes, I have it > working (still have a number of caps to replace). Despite the classy > appearance of a plated chassis and fancy tube shields, it is an > engineering and repairman's nightmare. It is also apt to early > failure. No wonder Atwater bailed out of the radio business and joined > his celebrity friends. He knew he had created a monster and could > never compete with Philco! Just my humble opinion (no I am not an AK > expert and no I haven't read Atwater Kent, the man and his marvels, or > whatever). > Comments? > Dave > Article: 329093 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Spokesman" References: <1137097123.530189.252880@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: BEWARE-EBAY BUYER "VOXPOPPER"-lunatic leaving multiple negs for sellers ! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:51:05 GMT " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:Bvzxf.3$oG.0@dukeread09... > > "the MAGNATE" wrote in message > news:1137097123.530189.252880@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > a > > Sounds like you were selling CRAP, regardless of the price, and > skinning the guy on shipping. Do we know you by another name > on here by chance? > > item 4798507686 Article: 329094 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:11:50 -0500 Message-ID: <43C6E236.7020305@SPAMMERSatt.net> References: <1137075127.930092.92540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <13935-43C67630-227@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Brother,you should read up on the History of Automobiles > in America. Hank WAS a brilliant marketer and visionary industrialist. He was also a violent racist who in the end strangled his company by micro managing it long after it had grown too big for one person to oversee. He resisted hydraulic brakes and the corporate model until GM over took him. John H. Article: 329095 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:17:42 -0500 Message-ID: <11sdosnicskod79@corp.supernews.com> References: <1137075127.930092.92540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <13935-43C67630-227@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> I restored my AK 545 tombstone a few years ago. Since then all my other AK's have remained Shelf Queens. It DOES work well though, after a full rewiring and recapping it *better*............ John H. Article: 329096 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C6EA7E.AC5B8FB9@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Soldering Irons or Stations References: <71d7s1hgnpvam2o9n5f3k3jbuls9g1mbm1@4ax.com> <1136942181.164914.201030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9qixf.130$wz2.96@tornado.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:47:48 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > > VERY rarely should anyone have to solder to a chassis, there is usually an > existing ground somewhere that is more convenient and of course more > solderable... > > I cant believe years ago I used to unsolder old cap leads off the chassis, > then it dawned on me... leave it (if its good, and most are) and solder onto > the clipped and scraped cleaned wire or nearby lug...duh...! Figgered that > out at age 18...after 2 years of struggle... > > Mark Oppat Yeah, Mark, I saw that trick when I was 13, at the first TV shop I worked at. It was in something that had been to another shop that did real crappy work. The boss showed it to me, and told me that I would be fired if I used it. It was considered low grade workmanship in all of the TV shops I worked at, in the '60s, '70s, and '80s. Now, tell us how you replace a bad FP (twistlock) electrolytic without soldering it to the chassis. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 329097 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: Ampex pictures posted from whom? Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:24:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <11sb40hf0ul8s06@corp.supernews.com> Scott W. Harvey wrote: > Steve P. wrote: > > Posted by Scott W Harvey. They're still all on my ISP's server. > > Yes, it was me. What do you need to know? > > -Scott Scott, I have registred Ampex at http://www.radiomuseum.org because the company was missing. To be seen at http://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hersteller_detail.cfm?Company_Id=7446 My sources to add models are some less from 1967 to 1969, with ugly catalog pictures. Your fine pictures on a.b.p.r shows some elder models which I do not know by name. So I would ask you if you would allow me to use your pictures for this non-commercial use for the museum? They would be commented with "courtesy of". If you agree I need at least the model names (which are not on the front) and the (ca.) date of manufacturing, the more details the better ;-) I remember your post with some picture details, but my ISP cuts a.b.p.r after two days and I forgot to save it at the right time. Please reply here or to georg | richter -> n78 | de if you have time for. Thank you very much in advance. Kind Regards, Georg http://www.radiomuseum.org/collection/georg_richter.html Article: 329098 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Interesting find (not mine) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:39:21 +0900 Message-ID: Saw this on ebay while looking for something specific. It's an interesting toy, single stage TRF clock radio http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Bakelite-General-Electric-Model-50-Clock-Radio_W0QQitemZ6595330865QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Article: 329099 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Curbside finds Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:26:59 -0600 Message-ID: <12634-43C6E5C3-42@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1137105874.230351.7380@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> My old toilet dates back to around 1947.I have had to replace a few parts over the years,otherwise,,, Whoosh,one flush does it all. cuhulin Article: 329100 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20330-43C5439A-32@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> <1137010798.262484.46630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1137067973.431762.220530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In <1137067973.431762.220530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >A species that had practical space-travel (FTL or otherwise) would have >no reason to hide... Why so? The Dangerous Universe Theory says there be some real mean mothers out there. As I said, grim viewpoint. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 329101 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1137067973.431762.220530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16154-43C680CB-181@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> <1137084578.581221.181540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> In <1137084578.581221.181540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >Good Fun Reading: King David's Spaceship (Jerry Pournelle). Oy! Talk about a grim viewpoint. :) I haven't read that title, but I've read most of the collaborations between him and Niven. Great fiction, but, damn! As someone once said, Jerry Pournelle *writes* like a Kzinti. Isn't he the guy who wrote something call "There WILL be war"? Charming. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 329102 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1137067973.431762.220530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16154-43C680CB-181@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> <1137084578.581221.181540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <4Wvxf.58962$Lb1.29190@bignews3.bellsouth.net> In <4Wvxf.58962$Lb1.29190@bignews3.bellsouth.net> jakdedert writes: >Actually almost anything by Pournelle, especially the collaborations >between him and David Niven. Larry. David Niven's that British guy. >"The Mote..." series especially recommended. "The Mote in God's Eye". Great book. Very interesting anthropology. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 329103 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <8YmdnX7KjOI9SljeRVn-uA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Eddie, a challenge... Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:32:27 GMT PLEASE give this a try :-) That set I got from Mark is a beauty, but needs a Bezel... So line me up for one if you decide to tackle the job. Thanks Keith "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:8YmdnX7KjOI9SljeRVn-uA@comcast.com... > Eddie, you are so good at this repro stuff... how about you tackle the > infamous Silvertone curved rectangle bezel that is used on the 4680, 4681 > and 4686 and etc sets of 1938. Every one of those sets has a missing or > badly shrunken one. Keith Park has a set that needs one, he got the set > from me. > > You could use the Alumilite stuff, they have a good website too. I would > take a complete bezel and cut it in 8 places where you could lengthen it > to > correct size both lengthwise and width, then use that for a mold. Its a > VERY tricky one due to the curve and thinness of the part. I dont have > any > examples to send, but I am sure there are readers here who do... > > ?????? > > Mark Oppat > > > Article: 329104 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: No wonder A. Atwater Kent went out of business Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1137075127.930092.92540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <13935-43C67630-227@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> In "Gary Tayman" writes: >It was not the world's best car back then. It was an affordable car. >People laughed at it, there were jokes written and songs sung about it, and >of course many people still opted for the better, more expensive cars. So >indeed, aftermarket parts were made for these cars to make them better. >It's a classic, it's a car that essentially put America on the road, but it >was not the best technology, even for its time. All this talk about cars reminds me. The Ken Burns documentary "Horatio's Drive" was on PBS again late Tuesday night here in NYC. If you haven't seen this, check it out. The DVD's available from pbs.org or Amazon. It's about the very first transcontinental auto trip, back in 1903. Took sixty-two days. What made me think about it was Gary's mention of songs. There's a great Al Jolson tune in the film about having to climb under the @#$%^&/! automobile at the most inopportune moments. I'd love to find a 78 of that. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 329105 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43C70EF7.60606@excite.com> From: "David E. Jones" Subject: Re: Dabase for 78's? References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:22:47 -0500 Wayne Boatwright wrote: > You can create a very efficient database in MS Access if you know how. > > > On Tue 03 Jan 2006 12:10:28a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Phil B? > > >>If you have MS Office you can use Access, but it's a PITA. Slow and >>non-intuitive. I suggest an Excel spreadsheet. It's easy to start and >>enhance. Add columns for various descriptive attributes. Later you can >>sort on columns to home in to what you are looking for. When you add a >>line, just type appropriate info in the various columns and then re-sort >>to put it in its place. >> >>Phil B For those of you who have made a database for 78s: Did you create a relational database? I'm planning to migrate my old Alpha Four database to Access, and thought it may be best for the main table to be a Label With Mfg. Number, with song titles for each side linked to it, then artists and composers linked to the Titles. Has someone found that this works, or is there a better way? Thanks. -- David E. Jones DavidJones4_NoSpam@excite.com Article: 329106 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: I Wish Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20330-43C5439A-32@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> <1137010798.262484.46630@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1137067973.431762.220530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1137116395.370052.219390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In <1137116395.370052.219390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >>Why so? The Dangerous Universe Theory says there be some real mean >>mothers out there. As I said, grim viewpoint. >Did you not read the entire paragraph? Yes. >If a species with practical FTL had to hide, that requires something >to hide _from_. The real mean mothers. >That leaves us where? In a circle? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 329107 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Eddie, a challenge... Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <8YmdnX7KjOI9SljeRVn-uA@comcast.com> <1137117648.183745.198360@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In <1137117648.183745.198360@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Eddie Brimer" writes: >http://www.sfhobbies.com/sfhobbies/radio/images/silvertone/dials/dials.jpg Sorry to butt in, but that page is a really cool image, all by itself. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? 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