Article: 332187 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: fa: 1.25 inch CAT 40 end mill holder References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 07:01:43 GMT William B Noble (don't reply to this address) wrote: > it turns out that on my particualr mill, CAT 40 doesn't work, NMTB > does, so I don't need and can't use this holder Well, actually I don't. How ever, that being said, I do have a need for Morse Taper #3 and #4 odds and ends for my new Smithy. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 332188 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: I need an estimate Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 03:24:38 -0400 Message-ID: <122sam4pqt1b7d3@corp.supernews.com> References: <1143863321.131097.59920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Gary Tayman wrote: > It seems no matter how long you do this, there's always a new surprise > around the corner. > > Today I received a radio from a 56 Chevy. The fellow called me several > days ago, and asked about service. I told him there's no way to > estimate a 50 year old radio, particularly without seeing it, but most > units of this type go in the range of $150-250. So enclosed is a note > that says, "Call me before doing it if it's going to be over $175." > > Hoo-boy! I'll have to think about what to say when I call him, as I > want to say it in a nice way. It might be under $175, but I won't know > for sure until I've spent $150 on it. Gary, you should know already that when doing a bizness you win a few and you lose a few and thats why your prices are where they are. Your bizness profit and loss is not the customer's question or concern. He just wants a professional guess and is probably flexible if he can get a handle on the cost whether it comes out to $175.20 or $186.54. What he doesn't want is a final bill of a zillion dollars more than he had in mind so his query is quite legitimate. Quote the guy a price that you are comfortable with and stick to it. You have the experience to know what the job may entail in the worst case. If you lose money on the deal is it because you weren't sharp enough to turn it around in a couple of hours? If the guy sends you a totally rusted hulk thats too unrepairable just send it back to him. With your savvy it shouldn't cost $150 for you to 'take a look at it'. Article: 332189 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "george conklin" References: <1143823788.755535.7230@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8p-dnT0TfZd7ELDZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@athenet.net> Subject: Re: Cracked 78 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:05:57 GMT "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:e0k374$ft4$1@reader1.panix.com... > In <8p-dnT0TfZd7ELDZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@athenet.net> philo > writes: > >>As a matter of fact...you should record *all* your valuable 78's and >>only play recordings of them... >>but keep plenty of non-valuable 78's around for playing on your vintage >>equipment! > > Here's a random question: How many plays were expected from a shellac > 78 before even grandma would start to wince? Assuming reasonable care, > and a new needle each and every play. I'd guess the design lifetime > would've been at least 100 plays? I fully understand this question is > most likely impossible to answer with any meaningful precision, but > I just had to ask anyway. > > (Right now Benny Goodman's "Jersey Bounce" and The Revolting Cock's > "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?" are competing for aural space in my brain. > I better go listen to something before Revco beats up Benny...) > That rate of wearing out a record would be with a heavy head and a steel needle. With a light pickup, you could get a lot of plays out of a 78. Of course, Edison's diamond discs were good for about 3,000 plays with a heavy head. Article: 332190 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: bias cell Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 06:47:37 -0800 Message-ID: <16380-442E9289-337@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Roger: >One more aspect...with contact potential >bias, the high value of grid resistor >generates considerable Johnson noise. >Not what you want at the input to a high >gain audio stage. Perhaps you could elaborate a bit more on this, particularly the definition of "contact potential bias" in the context of vacuum tubes. A Google search doesn't turn up much info on it. In the context of a high gain audio stage, isn't Johnson noise the product of thermionic emission itself and thermal agitation induced in the plate load resistor? Since no current flows thru the grid resistor (irrespective of its value), how does increasing the value of the grid resistor contribute to the noise? Old (but never too old to learn) coot Article: 332191 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Message-ID: <5mwXf.56187$915.3583@southeast.rr.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:45:21 GMT Let me address some of Johns comments. First, about the "rain". It never really rained, it did drizzle on and off all morning. We do have a plan to move the flea market inside incase of RAIN. Early Friday morning I talked to our group and a number of our regular vendors. ON ONE wanted to pack up and move inside. If we had done that then we would have ended up with 2 flea markets, a few folks inside, and the rest outside. The vendors that came prepared for changes in weather had no problems. I talked to a number of vendors that had one of their best Fridays at Charlotte ever. If it had been really pouring down rain, we would have moved inside for sure. Second, you left at noon on Friday, your buddy Eddie said he only stayed 1 1/2 hours. This is a THREE DAY LONG EVENT, to say it wasn't worth it is like going to a movie and leaving after the previews and then telling folks you didn't enjoy the film. There was kickoff luncheon Thursday at noon, programs all afternoon, a dinner Thursday evening followed by another program. Friday mornings flea market was followed by a huge auction with a standing room only crowd, this was followed by our annual banquet and then an open house in the contest room. Saturday morning we had one of the best flea markets we've ever had the weather was glorious, at 10:30 Saturday morning, instead of seeing mostly empty spaces where folks had packed up and headed home (like you did Friday), the market was in full swing looking like a good Friday flea market. At 10:00 Saturday morning we had the judging of our equipment contest. At the end of the flea market we had out radio rescue auction followed by our annual Saturday luncheon and contest wrap-up. You were only there a few hours, you didn't really see ANY of the conference. THIS IS NOT JUST A FLEA MARKET. As to the registration fees being too high. You COULD have saved a good bit by PRE-REGISTERING. Eddie said in reply to your message, "20.00 bucks for me to just "shop" is insane". The $20.00 bucks isn't just to shop, it's to pay for the entire event. IF all you're "just" interested in is shopping, that's your choice. We offer a lot more than just "shopping" for $20, which would have been JUST $15 IF you had PRE-REGISTERED. Maybe next year you might think about joining the rest of the folks that had a great time and really attend the conference instead of driving all the way from Vermont just for a morning flea market. Ron Lawrence, CC-AWA President and Conference Chairman www.cc-awa.org Hagstar wrote in message news:122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com... > > The weather was fine if cool up to this point, but the next morning at dawn > when I arose for the swap it was raining lightly. I drove to the Sheraton in > Charlotte assuming we'd be under cover for the flea. As explained on the > website in detail the Sheraton and AWA supposedly had a whole plan worked > for foul weather that hadn't yet been needed. Wasn't I surprised when I was > told no, we'd be out in the drizzle all day. > > As a result most good merchandise never came out of seller's vehicles, and > the stuff that did was mostly scary fixer-uppers that clearly had seen rain > before. or nice stuff quickly became fixer-uppers. I didn't dare bring out > my Scott console, and the RCA 262 as it is got a good deal of blush on the > lacquer after sitting under partial cover half the day. I sold all the > junk/fixer-uppers I brought and almost none of the nice stuff I managed to > display in the end of the van under cover. But that's the breaks of late for > me. At least I almost covered my expenses. I found the fee of $55- at the > door for admission and one space in the rain steep. I had to sing Mozart's > "Requiem" that Sunday back in Vermont so I couldn't possibly stay for > Saturday too. So I headed out about noon pretty well soaked and working on a > bad back. > Article: 332192 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:58:03 GMT Here's a report on the Charlotte show by Paul Farmer. A VERY different opinion for sure. Ron ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject: RE: Charlotte Swapmeet Geoff, all, Charlotte worked out to be a good meet. Attendance and vendors appeared to be about level with last year, thankfully. Perhaps some of these meets have bottomed out. Light rain much of the first day, but there was no wind, so we set up and sold lots of quality transistors and one table set only, plus odds and ends. The afternoon auction drew a huge crowd and lots of inventory, due to the slow FM for those without cover. Next year I will bring items specifically for the auction. Very good FM on day 2. I made very minor purchases only on the first day - a little 1920's Jewell tube tester with 5 meters, a nice little Knight kit mono amp, etc. On day 1 I had seen a gorgeous Emerson 600 TV, the little 7" plastic-front job in fabulous condition. The owner was not around, and it disappeared when I wasn't looking. Too bad. But then on day 2 it turned up in another space and I got it for very little more than the original vendor was asking - a steal considering condition. This is the fabric covered, portable version and there is essentially no wear. The plastic front is perfect. I have been watching for an E+ to near-mint example of one of these for years, especially one with an unscratched front. I still need the wood versions, models 610 and 639. Anybody? Could not find your brown Emerson bullet knobs. Oppat had one, but it was very distressed. Contest was good, as usual for CC-AWA. Gary Alley came away with some ribbons. Wish I had had time to prepare some entries. Robert Lozier gave a very nice, educational report on the contest at the closing lunch. We should enlist Lozier to be one of our contest judges at RadioActivity. I cannot recommend a more knowledgeable, more broadly experienced individual to judge. He really understands the significance of entries in a larger perspective. Ron Lawrence's Clough-Brengle talk and display was super. A fine presentation on many levels. Other good programs as well. Signed up quite a few new MAARC members, some with arm twisting from Koester. Thanks, Joe. (Joe, I cannot remember who I am supposed to give those newspapers too. Was it Ed? ???) Eric sold every table set he came with, and quite a lot of paper. He headed south after the meet with an empty cargo compartment and a smile on his face, looking for more radios. We headed north, very tired but very satisfied. Regards to all, Paul Article: 332193 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1143863321.131097.59920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: I need an estimate Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:20:24 -0500 "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:1143863321.131097.59920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > It seems no matter how long you do this, there's always a new surprise > around the corner. > > Today I received a radio from a 56 Chevy. The fellow called me several > days ago, and asked about service. I told him there's no way to > estimate a 50 year old radio, particularly without seeing it, but most > units of this type go in the range of $150-250. So enclosed is a note > that says, "Call me before doing it if it's going to be over $175." > > Gary, you've been in the business long enough to figure a reasonably close quote for the radio. Err on the high side, and tell the guy the price may vary by xx% depending on if things go good, or if unexpected problems crop up. I usually give a very high fixed quote when asked for a fixed price, and no one has ever complained. If you have a lot of work, let the guy try and find someone else to do the job with the same caliber of work and service you provide. Pete Article: 332194 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:00:25 GMT Here's another comment that disagrees with John & eddie. Ron ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Ron, I attended the "Spring AWA Meet in the Carolinas" for the first time last weekend and greatly enjoyed it. The talks, meals, contest and flea market were all very well run. I hope to come back next year. Congratulations on a fine meet. Neil D. Friedman, N3DF Arlington, VA Article: 332195 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:14:06 -0500 Message-ID: <122tgnnna8r39ed@corp.supernews.com> References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <5mwXf.56187$915.3583@southeast.rr.com> " Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:5mwXf.56187$915.3583@southeast.rr.com... > Let me address some of Johns comments. > > > You were only there a few hours, you didn't really see ANY of the > conference. THIS IS NOT JUST A FLEA MARKET. Same song they sing in Rochester. I wish I could have stayed the three days, but in this case it was a matter of barely having the time to go at all. Organizers starting with the founders of AWA have always treated the flea market as a necessary evil. Well, it's not- it's a BIG part of the draw. I didn't preregister because I wanted to see if it would be snowing on the drive first because I had to drive 1800 miles roundtrip in March (still winter in VT/NY/PA). And I was told the whole moving inside plan was actually a "pipe dream" upon registering at 7 am. I would have brought shelter if I'd known I'd need it. Sorry, Ron, a steady drizzle isn't weather where you'd want to put anything out you cared about out- like I said, half of all offerings remained undercover for this reason. Read my reviews of Kutztown and Nashua again before dismissing me as a whiner. John H. Article: 332196 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephen Wild" Subject: Questions about very early radio (1930) Message-ID: <7rzXf.62229$fd.31622@read2.cgocable.net> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:15:30 -0500 I have had a very old (1930) TRF console radio brought in for evaluation. I have not really dealt with a circuit this old before and have a few questions if it is not too much trouble: 1) There are a bunch of resistor values on the schematic which are defined like 7230 or 835 ohms. I am used to seeing radios which are happy with 20 % values. If these values are accurate they are in the range of 0.25 % acuracy. My guess is that 10 % components are OK but I can't help wondering if they used specially selected wirewounds and the precision is necessary. Comments please ? 2) Originally the radio was supplied with a big can wet type Mershon electrolytic capacitor. Three later block type dry capacitors were taped with cloth tape around the can, obliterating the original sticker with the values impressed on it. The schematic specifies only 8 mfd caps with no voltage rating. The replacements were rated 600, 600, and 500 vdc. I am wondering if this is overkill or if this surge voltage was necessary. The circiut is a type 80 with 325 VAC on the plates, 8 MFD (rated at 600 vdc)capacitor input to a choke, another 8MFD rated at 600 vdc, the speaker field, and another 8 MFD rated at 500 vdc. 600 VDC electrolytics are not particularly common - will I have to use 450s in series ? Any further comments about dealing with TRF sets in general - this was a fairly high end model with 3 trf 24s, 27 detector, 27 1st audio, and PP 45s for the output. Thanks for your trouble, Stephen Wild Article: 332197 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:19:15 -0500 Message-ID: <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> Well, enjoy your meet then Ron. Since I'm not part of the inner circle there and don't have the whole three days you've made it abundantly clear both here and in person I'm not welcome. John H. Article: 332198 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:20:14 GMT What the heck did I do to you? I don't even remember meeting you. Ron Hagstar wrote in message news:122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com... > Well, enjoy your meet then Ron. Since I'm not part of the inner circle > there and don't have the whole three days you've made it abundantly clear > both here and in person I'm not welcome. > > John H. > > Article: 332199 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Message-ID: <6UAXf.56211$915.24368@southeast.rr.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:54:42 GMT Thanks for the support Mark, it was GREAT to see you and your wife again this year. As far as registration fees go, consider that I spent a year planning and doing all the prep work for this event. I paid $135 for registration and meals. Ron Mark Oppat wrote in message news:94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com... > John, > how can you say that this event is not welcoming you? That is just the most > unreasonable thing you've ever said here! Because the weather was a bit > poor on Friday? Because YOUR schedule didnt allow you to enjoy all that > they were offering, including a second swap meet day that exceeded the first > (several vendors showed up Sat that were not there Friday BTW). > > > first of all, $20 is incredibly cheap, even if you just go "to shop". > I've been to this event for 14 continuous years now. It grew steadily for > the first 12, and has levelled off in the last two, but its the ONLY great > swap in the south... and, will continue to be on my schedule forever, I > think. This year's Friday was possibly the worst weather day of all the 14 > years I've been there. Its usually sunny or at least partly sunny and well > above 55, often into the 70's. No swap can offer guarantees but I think > they made the right call. It wasnt bad enough to attempt the move indoors. > This event is held at the BEST hotel of all the antique radio swaps. It > costs money to do that, LOTS of money. So your piddly $20 is too much? > Jesus, John... get a clue. And, schedule yourself more time next time or > dont bother! thats not Ron's fault or anyone elses. I spent $85 in > registration and 3 spaces to sell. That is on par with our Extravaganza in > Lansing. > Charlotte is a much nicer town and that is a much nicer hotel. Neither > Rochester or Kutztown offer similar facilites. Kutztown has no programs at > all, and the auction is just mainly junk. The auction at CHarlotte is > usually extensive, and it was again this year. > > At Extravaganza, we have a HUGE tent (150'x 40' or so) for covered selling > in addition to the uncovered flea market spaces. I recommended to Ron they > look into that... and, hopefully they can offer that in the future too. > But, those tents are quite expensive. Off the top of my head I am guessing > its up around $4000. > > John, I am a very frugal guy but to complain about $20 is just unrealistic. > The only claim you make is they should have moved indoors. Well, maybe, but > for what I experienced, they probably made the right call... it only misted > mostly, and later it quit. > > Mark Oppat > > > "Hagstar" wrote in message > news:122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com... > > Well, enjoy your meet then Ron. Since I'm not part of the inner circle > > there and don't have the whole three days you've made it abundantly clear > > both here and in person I'm not welcome. > > > > John H. > > > > > > > > > Article: 332200 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:36:35 -0500 Message-ID: <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com... > John, > how can you say that this event is not welcoming you? > > John, I am a very frugal guy but to complain about $20 is just > unrealistic. > The only claim you make is they should have moved indoors. Well, maybe, > but > for what I experienced, they probably made the right call... it only > misted > mostly, and later it quit. > It was $55.00 for a space and admission for me. I'm glad everybody else had a good time. Other than you and a couple of other people all of whom I know >from northern meets no one said boo to me. I come to fleas to talk about radios and life and stuff, not just buy things. At Kutztwon I was acknowledged and greeted and shown the ropes on first arriving. I suppose you agree that since I didn't have time for the whole deal I'm not a "real" collector my experience is irrelevant. I understand perfectly well the flea stayed outdoors because it didn't matter- it's just the flea and we'll make it up Saturday I'm sure was the feeling. That's fine, now I understand not to come unless it's for the whole event. It is indeed my fault for having other interests. I know everyone worked hard to make the event work, I appreciate their efforts certainly. But I came very early to rent a table or move my stuff inside. No tables could be rented until after the 8 am start, by then I was awash in browsers. I would NEVER have come unprepared for rain if not for the elaborate explanation of rainy day procedures on the AWA website. MY experience of the meet was pretty dismal, had I known how everyone else had such a great time at the flea I would have never commented. Never mind, John H. Article: 332201 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" Subject: Restored Antique Radios & TV's FS Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:18:55 GMT Restored Antique Radios & TV's FS http://members.aol.com/radiorest/main.htm NEW SETS JUST POSTED! I have just added several STUNNING sets including some Black dial Zeniths, some of the finest sets I've ever offered for sale!! Just be sure to click on the "Radios for sale icon" to view the sets! My Restorations are just what you're looking for if you want a set that looks and works as new. These are completely redone, not only part of the cabinet is refinished and another part left cobbled up, the entire unit is restored. These restorations are not simple "Recappings with a new power cord" I tend to every part of the chassis that needs attention, cleaning and relubing mechanical parts, rebuilding of dial assemblies, detailed refinishing or cleaning of knobs and bezels and any specific needs of a particular chassis. My sets are not "over restored", I don't rip every component and wire from the chassis and replace it just because its old, these sets are preserved in as much of their original state as possible to keep them reliable and safe. 27 years of doing antique radio restoration goes into knowing just what needs to be done and just how it should be done when I restore one. Thanks!! Keith Park Article: 332202 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Message-ID: References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:57:56 GMT On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:36:35 -0500, "Hagstar" wrote: >Other than you and a couple of other people all of whom I know >from northern meets no one said boo to me. What am I, chopped liver? I have never been to a northern meet and I was talking to you until you walked away. As others have said, you missed a good day Saturday. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 332203 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave Fase" References: Subject: Re: Source for BLACK spaghetti? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:32:23 -0800 I've got a roll of black spaghetti which is as you describe. How much do you need? I'll mail a small quantity at no charge. Just need your mailing address. I can be reached at: mckaigelex@wavecable.com Aloha, Dave Fase "Dave McClellan" wrote in message news:ZhjWf.138$c11.122@fe06.lga... > Anybody know of a source for BLACK spaghetti like Antique Electronic > Supply > used to sell? I think they called if 11 guage (large - you can hide a 1/2 > watt resistor inside). Anyway, only WHITE is currently available, and > their > customer service says there's no chance the black will be available again. > I'm NOT into painting it (been there, done that for an AK breadboard > restoration!) > > Thanks, > Dave > > Article: 332204 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann Dyer" Subject: Re: Source for BLACK spaghetti? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:49:53 +0900 Message-ID: References: "Dave Fase" wrote in message news:BYEXf.791$NJ.678@fe02.lga... > I've got a roll of black spaghetti which is as you describe. > How much do you need? I'll mail a small quantity at no > charge. Just need your mailing address. I can be reached at: > mckaigelex@wavecable.com > > Aloha, Dave Fase How much would you sell me a couple feet or so for?? I could really use some of the stuff myself (or, for that matter, any color of small gauge spaghetti). The e-mail is good. Article: 332205 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Verne Folk Subject: Kutztown Date: 1 Apr 2006 16:33:13 -0800 Message-ID: Ladies and Gentlemen: I'm toying with the idea of attending the swap at Kutztown but have no idea where the action is located in town. Can anyone give me directions that I can use after I get close (in town). verne -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Article: 332206 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: In Japan it's now illegal to sell used or vintage electronics References: <1143937440.125781.260990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:13:48 -0500 After the 1KV test they wouldn't be worth a whole lot, ao why bother. Ken Bob wrote: > According to the local paper (AZ Republic), a new law in Japan makes it > illegal to sell used electronics (TVs, radios, boom boxes, presumidly > antique radios). Because of old stuff being a safety hazard. However, > used electronics can be sold if tested for leakage using a 1KV source, > and a sticker saying it passed stuck to the back of the item. > > The article mentioned that the used electronics could "lease" the used > items. Pay to lease the item for 99 years? Same cost it was to buy it > before this law? > Article: 332207 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Verne Folk Subject: Re: Kutztown Date: 1 Apr 2006 17:01:04 -0800 Message-ID: References: In article , Verne Folk says... > >Ladies and Gentlemen: I'm toying with the idea of attending the swap at Kutztown >but have no idea where the action is located in town. Can anyone give me >directions that I can use after I get close (in town). verne > > I don' know why my email address is incorrectly listed but try radioactive@zoominternet.net if you can help. verne -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Article: 332208 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: In Japan it's now illegal to sell used or vintage electronics References: <1143937440.125781.260990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:32:58 GMT I'd like to know how many people were killed last year from old electronics and how many died from falling down the stairs. Bob wrote: > According to the local paper (AZ Republic), a new law in Japan makes it > illegal to sell used electronics (TVs, radios, boom boxes, presumidly > antique radios). Because of old stuff being a safety hazard. However, > used electronics can be sold if tested for leakage using a 1KV source, > and a sticker saying it passed stuck to the back of the item. > > The article mentioned that the used electronics could "lease" the used > items. Pay to lease the item for 99 years? Same cost it was to buy it > before this law? > Article: 332209 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "James F. Mayer" References: Subject: Re: Source for BLACK spaghetti? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 02:05:59 GMT "Dave Fase" wrote in message news:BYEXf.791$NJ.678@fe02.lga... > I've got a roll of black spaghetti which is as you describe. > How much do you need? I'll mail a small quantity at no > charge. Just need your mailing address. I can be reached at: > mckaigelex@wavecable.com > > Aloha, Dave Fase Search Digikey for "black tubing" Got 3 hits and one of them is #12. Article: 332210 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:28:50 -0700 From: Subject: 1930s carbon microphone. Message-ID: Folks, I have an old carbon microphone that should be in the possession and service of an old radio collector rather than an amateur radio operator . . . See it, with some details at: www.nyx.net/~wboas/mic.html Looking for a proposition . . . Bill, KC0IZI wboas@nyx.net www.nyx.net/~wboas Article: 332211 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: In Japan it's now illegal to sell used or vintage electronics Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:32:17 -0800 Message-ID: <911-442F37B1-713@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net> References: <1143943143.114517.111420@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Well, thats OK by me. They can send me all their Federal, Paragon, WSA and Marconi sets, etc. If the stuff is in good shape, I might even pay postage! (Hey, it's April 1st, I can dream can;t I ) Article: 332212 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: In Japan it's now illegal to sell used or vintage electronics Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:48:20 -0400 Message-ID: <122uero5s8br686@corp.supernews.com> References: <1143937440.125781.260990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Phil Nelson wrote: >>According to the local paper (AZ Republic), a new law in Japan makes it >>illegal to sell used electronics > > > Do you have a pointer to an online version of the article? > > Phil Nelson > > Phil, I read one of the original news articles about this several weeks ago...there was a link on ARF. The law is not designed to prohibit sales of used electronics inasmuch as it is an electrical safety thing. You can't sell stuff thats not up to the new code. I think the UK has something like this...the obvious practical workaround is to cut off the cord. -Bill Article: 332213 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:49:29 -0500 Message-ID: <122ueu4hsfl30df@corp.supernews.com> References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> "Brian McAllister" wrote in message news:cm4u225umt1d376rqcm2trt5t6b05e5dgt@4ax.com... > > What am I, chopped liver? I have never been to a northern meet and I > was talking to you until you walked away. Sorry, Brian, no insult intended. I was simply unprepared for the idea that Friday would be a washout, and that I needed to devote two days minimum to this event. Like I said, forget I said anything. John H. Article: 332214 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: In Japan it's now illegal to sell used or vintage electronics Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:59:46 -0400 Message-ID: <122ufh58up20b93@corp.supernews.com> References: <1143937440.125781.260990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <122uero5s8br686@corp.supernews.com> More info and links here: http://tinyurl.com/jsddn Article: 332215 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: In Japan it's now illegal to sell used or vintage electronics Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:26:15 -0800 Message-ID: <71hu22dsg9afesq9qd4e5tjdoe3lpr9egh@4ax.com> References: <1143937440.125781.260990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1143942165.370479.84060@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On 1 Apr 2006 17:42:45 -0800, "AB9GO" wrote: >Well if they can't sell them, GIVE them to me! I'll take all the nasty >old Western Electric, McIntosh, other dangerous hifi stuff off of your >hands for free or a small disposal fee fore the less desireable items! I remember no less than 8 WECO 101As, pilfered from the Los Angeles Program Operating Center of Pacific Telephone, that went to Japan. Maybe we can have them back again? Article: 332216 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:24:16 GMT Hagstar wrote in message > At Kutztwon I was acknowledged and greeted and shown the ropes on first arriving. > Well damn John, I can't believe no "acknowledged" you. I will find out who was on the desk when you arrived and have them whipped for not letting us know that the GRAND POOBA of radio collecting had arrived. And to think, we had the Harold Trumpets standing by to give you a fanfare and the Blue Angles were all set to write your name in the Carolina Blue sky above the flea market... Ron Article: 332217 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: 1930s carbon microphone. Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:33:20 -0800 Message-ID: References: On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:28:50 -0700, wrote: > >Folks, > >I have an old carbon microphone that should be in the possession >and service of an old radio collector rather than an amateur >radio operator . . . > >See it, with some details at: > >www.nyx.net/~wboas/mic.html > >Looking for a proposition . . . Not proposing, but my grandfather did indeed have a Victor RE57, and somewhere in my family archives are snaps of him, my uncles and mother making "home records" on it in the front room, circa 1933. Grandpa was quite a fan of making "home talkies" back then, and I still have a number of 78 RPM discs of the family discussing their trip to the Chicago World's Fair via Santa Fe's best train at the time. Decades later, my own dad was an RTR fan who had a Berlant Concertone as well as a couple of Bells. It was his tape hobby in the '50s that opened the door for me to dabble in the recording industry in the '70s-present. dB Article: 332218 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: In Japan it's now illegal to sell used or vintage electronics Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:37:28 -0800 Message-ID: References: <1143937440.125781.260990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1143945485.700809.264570@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 1 Apr 2006 18:38:05 -0800, "RadioGary" wrote: >Good, more for us. The Japanese, when they were devouring our domenstic auto and electronics industries, were flush with cash and were paying stratospheric prices for any tube American audio gear. Maybe they'll start eBaying their stuff, now that Japan's economically challenged and the no-sale law is in effect. Article: 332219 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: Re: fa: 1.25 inch CAT 40 end mill holder Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:33:46 -0800 Message-ID: References: I guess "oops" is the right statement here - I meant to put this in a metal working NG. That said, what do you need? - maybe we should take this metal related chatter off this NG - On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 07:01:43 GMT, Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > >William B Noble (don't reply to this address) wrote: > >> it turns out that on my particualr mill, CAT 40 doesn't work, NMTB >> does, so I don't need and can't use this holder > >Well, actually I don't. How ever, that being said, I do have a >need for Morse Taper #3 and #4 odds and ends for my new Smithy. > >Jeff Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** Article: 332220 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann Dyer" Subject: Re: In Japan it's now illegal to sell used or vintage electronics Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:09:25 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1143937440.125781.260990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1143945485.700809.264570@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1143950297.075917.145770@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Steven" wrote in message news:1143950297.075917.145770@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > It's April 1st, does that mean anything? > > Like a satire on the Japanese buying all our stuff for silly rates? > > Besides, anybody with any nugget of Jim Lansing's could be thinking of > hiring a Navy :-P > Nope, it's real. Article was in the NY Times a few weeks ago. A lot of stores started selling pre-2001 electronics for pennies on the dollar (Sen on the Yen) several weeks ago.. and there are sellers on Ebay now with bargains and not-so-bargains because the law doesn't restrict foreign sales. Article: 332221 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <1143823788.755535.7230@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1143848875.146375.276330@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Cracked 78 Message-ID: <4ZJXf.12740$cY3.8037@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:14:24 GMT Neither will work. The superglue will form a lump before wicking far and most old records had a fibrous core that superglue won't work with. If it's solid plastic (this was a transition period) look for one of the slow setting superglues that will have time to penetrate but expect them to cause more noise, perhaps skipping, at the crack, at least at first, and don't surprised if it doesn't hold. The solvent glues won't work on these types of material either unless it's a disc that was pressed out of a styrene/ABS-type plastic as some were at one point. I think this one is too old but even if it wasn't the cement would wick slightly into the grooves at the crack and create more noise by eating at the surface. If the "B" side isn't important you can reinforce it with tape over a seam of contact cement. It _may_ prevent it from worsening. If both sides are important (I can't recall what the other side of it was) you may just have to live with it. Never lift it near the crack, use the other side (180 degrees away from crack) to handle it. Put a dot of white paint on the edge so you always know where the crack is. With cartridges and arms made after the advent of 45s and LPs the compliance and tracking force greatly reduce wear compared to the old heavy arms and steel needles. If you are using it on older phonos it will still last a while but the groove edges at the crack will break down and get louder after a while, eventually allowing skips. Ray "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:1143848875.146375.276330@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Of course everyone's missing the point here . . . > > I already have a really clean digitized copy of "St. George and the > Dragonet." I've had it long before I found this record. Some other > cracked 78's include Bing's "Christmas In Killarney." How many times > have you heard that song, or the whole album, on LP, 8-track, or CD? > Not like it's the last existing recording in all the world. But just > like you prefer listening to that crackly old lo-fi AM radio to the > stereo in your living room, I want to clean up and keep this record, > possibly playing it for people at times. Indeed I've been playing a > few of these at car shows, in front of people who remark about the fact > that I'm playing "real" records. > > The two glues I mentioned are types that will not drip or drool all > over the grooves, but that look for gaps, seep in, and bond the gap > together. I wanted to get a feel for which might be the better choice. > > Gary Tayman > 45's & 78's > Article: 332222 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:17:33 GMT There were some nice sets, even consoles, made with series-strings. They were popular with low-income people and those who lived in areas still served by ex-Edison power companies (DC service) and those who relied on generator service, such as islands, ships, trains, and remote places. Those markets dried up with rural electrification and the advent of alternator power for portable uses but the series-string designs were entrenched and cheap to make and sell. In radios they were generally dependable, at least as dependable as transformer sets because the highest failure items were common to both - tubes, condensers, and resistors. People got used to them and by the late 40s series sets were the rule and few would pay extra for a small set with a transformer supply. But some good one were still made. GE made several "Musaphonic" models that had high-quality (relatively) amplifiers and better speakers. They sound wonderful even today. Most had RF amp stages and were real station-pullers. They were made into the early 60s and added AM-FM capability. Motorola also made a stab at the market with a set with a similar speaker and a push-pull output in the late 50s. 7 tubes in the RF amp-equipped version. Didn't sound as good as the GEs though. Zenith made a few higher-quality "Hi-Fidelity" sets too. TVs were VERY expensive in those days, especially relative to average incomes. Knocking a few bucks off the price meant a lot and gave an edge at the retail level. Few had the knowledge or interest to look into the technical or design aspects. Series-string sets came to dominate the market after the early 50s but they were not as stable or dependable as transformer designs. They were dependent on resistor survival and prone to heat and component overload failures. But it seems people got used to it and accepted having to get frequent repairs or buy new set every 5 years. Some fancy consoles had series chassis in them, even elaborate ones with radios and phonos in them. People are suckers for a lower price. I don't think any series set qualified as a "fine" set performance-wise. Most were known as "gutless wonders" and people were happy that they performed at all. Even today we have transformerless TVs. They are, as a group, not very dependable either although some perform wonderfully while they work and throw in every feature you can imagine. Ray "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:hrmdnSoHmMcaabDZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com... > Series-string radios, like the "All American Five" sets, and TVs, like the > postwar 7-inch sets or Predictas, for that matter, were designed to cut > costs by omitting the expensive power transformer. In my experience, the > cost-cutting urge often shows up in other ways, as well. > > My question is: are there any truly fine radios or TVs that use the > series-string design? I mean fine in build quality as well as performance. > > I can think of one exception to the cost-cutting imperative: the Colonial > Globe, where a power transformer would have been too big and heavy for the > cramped, spherical Bakelite cabinet. Same for all tube portables, > naturally (although low cost is also desirable for a portable). > > Perhaps there are others . . . ? > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > Article: 332223 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <1143863321.131097.59920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: I need an estimate Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:56:23 GMT That's why public shops have examination fees. They charge $85.00 to look at it (usually an hour and a half labor) and sometimes they fix it in 30 minutes and all are happy. Other times they bust their butts finding the problem and lose money but overall it evens out. They aren't dealing with this level of decrepitude, of course. When I was working too much in another field to play with these sorts of things I ran into a lot of "it can't be fixed" or obvious wild-ass guesses and high quotes (without even opening the thing) for what later turned out to be a half dozen electrolytics when I did it myself. Annoying to a customer but understandable to us. I have given people tiered quotes like car mechanics sometimes do - If it just needs a recapping and simple alignment $XX.00, if a transformer or coil is shot $XXX.00 or more. Make it plain that the latter condition is not uncommon but they might luck out, just don't expect it. If it's a rust pile I would tell them all bets are off and they should look for another. '55-'56 Chevy sets aren't too hard to find. A lot got pulled while working to make room for AM-FM and tape units or newer lo-volt hybrids and sat on shelves till now. You should know what you can afford to sink into it time-wise and should have some idea after a simple or temporary (quick & dirty) re-cap as to its state. Parts cost should be low to that stage. Make the combination your "evaluation fee." The other dummies are common and annoying but come with the territory. When I did this stuff for an income I had it all the time. The drivers or people at the front counter would just write down whatever the customer said or wrote and it was mayhem. Some gave vague things like "redo" and others used technical jargon they did not understand the meaning of to describe problems. Many an hour was wasted trying to find a named problem when it would turn out to be something unrelated. I am somewhat amazed that people can still send packages without return addresses on them but I get them all the time. Shippers are not supposed to accept them. Sometimes I remember a call or email and can ask but I often have to wait for a complaint or inquiry as to whether it got here safely. Don't get me started on packing. My favorite of all time was the guy who wanted to know what it would cost to repair his Wollensak T-1515-4 tape recorder. Asked what was wrong with it he replied it just needed belts, a routine job at the time. I gave him the average price for it and he said he'd be right down. A little while later the guys at the front counter call me up front. There's my man with 3 boxes. What was in them? The recorder, all in pieces. He had tried to put the belts in himself and couldn't get it back together. Why hadn't that been mentioned before? It turned out cheaper than I had expected because I didn't have to spend time taking things apart, just putting it together, but I still won't give a quote without seeing things now. Ray "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:1143863321.131097.59920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > It seems no matter how long you do this, there's always a new surprise > around the corner. > > Today I received a radio from a 56 Chevy. The fellow called me several > days ago, and asked about service. I told him there's no way to > estimate a 50 year old radio, particularly without seeing it, but most > units of this type go in the range of $150-250. So enclosed is a note > that says, "Call me before doing it if it's going to be over $175." > > Hoo-boy! I'll have to think about what to say when I call him, as I > want to say it in a nice way. It might be under $175, but I won't know > for sure until I've spent $150 on it. This is a little like going to a > gas station and saying, "fill it up, but if it's going to be more than > $40, don't give me any." > > I don't think we have a full moon, but wasn't there a solar eclipse in > Brazil? Maybe that explains it. I just got another radio, with a note > that says, "Redo the radio." Does he mean repair or conversion? I got > yet another, that was packed in a box. Inside the box was a cooler, > just big enough for the box. Inside the cooler were packing peanuts. > Under that was a radio, wrapped neatly in some sort of styrofoam wrap > and sealed with tape. I undid the tape, opened it up and found another > layer, sealed with tape. Then another layer, and another. There were > four layers, each wrapped in tape -- I swear he used an entire roll of > tape. About 45 minutes later, inside all of this was a radio from a > T-bird. Whose? What does he want? No note. > > I continually receive e-mails stating that a radio is on its way, but > they need my shipping address. I refer them to this link: > > http://home.gate.net/~gtayman/shipping.htm > > After reading that, it's still amazing how I receive these radios! Of > course if there's damage, blame UPS! > > Gary Tayman > 78's & 45's > From popipnouattfree.fr Sun Apr 2 09:14:00 EDT 2006 Article: 332224 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Popipnou" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Characteristics of the tubes. Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:52:37 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <442f9ee8$0$2583$636a55ce@news.free.fr> Organization: Guest of ProXad - France NNTP-Posting-Date: 02 Apr 2006 11:52:40 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.250.82.57 X-Trace: 1143971560 nnrp16-1.free.fr 2583 82.250.82.57:4197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.astraweb.com!newsrouter-eu.astraweb.com!proxad.net!cleanfeed2-a.proxad.net!nnrp16-1.free.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:332224 Hello. Somebody could it communicate the characteristics of the following tubes to me : E130 SIF - 3033A LMT - 3370 VISSEAUX - R86 DARIO - PTT 10F Thank you in advance. Article: 332225 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: In Japan it's now illegal to sell used or vintage electronics References: <1143937440.125781.260990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:14:33 -0400 Sorry Jeff, I forgot the :) Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > > Ken wrote: > >> After the 1KV test they wouldn't be worth a whole lot, ao why bother. Ken > > > I don't think you understand what a 1KV test is. It's leakage. > It's a non-destructive test to show that no exposed parts of > the equipment have an electrical path to the power cord > connections. > > Jeff > Article: 332226 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" Subject: Congrats to Ron Lawrence Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:04:18 -0400 Ron's vintage ham station made CQ Magazine's cover for April! Congrats Ron! Pete Article: 332227 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: Subject: Re: Congrats to Ron Lawrence Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:33:01 GMT philo wrote in message > http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/Apr06CQCvr.jpg > I didn't see any spark-gap stuff in that picture My one complete spark transmitter is in a glass case at Discovery Place Science museum in Charlotte. You can't see it in the photo but to my right is a display case with all my small stuff including most of my spark stuff. Ron Article: 332228 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: <122vp46kphjri77@corp.supernews.com> References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> Thanks for the words of wisdom Mark. Being cold and wet skewed my attitude- I was welcomed. Next time I will stay for Sat. at least. I could have stayed for the auction, but have never seen one that isn't mostly junk and no one there seemed to want to lug anything inside I realized by that point so I didn't expect much. Apologies to the Charlotte AWA, I never intended this post as anything but mild kvetching and it reflected my own individual experience. Next time I'll bring the tent. John H. Article: 332229 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Congrats to Ron Lawrence Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:53:02 -0700 Message-ID: <2747-442FE54E-518@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> References: Hey cool. But where's the coherer-decoherer set? :-) oc Article: 332230 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: I need an estimate References: <1143863321.131097.59920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <2SRXf.740$up2.40@fed1read07> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 08:13:07 -0700 Just a thought. Be careful about using the word "quote" vs the word "estimate". To many people (including me) they imply very different things. Bill Jeffrey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rune wrote: > I still won't give a > quote without seeing things now. > > Ray Article: 332231 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:21:58 -0400 Message-ID: <122vr12an57r052@corp.supernews.com> References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> <1143988961.174467.230060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Evidentially everyone but us had a great time, eddie. I can't see displaying wood radios put together with hide glue in the drizzle even in a tent. I'll consider this event as a buying thing if I return. But it seems few others in the club minded the rain. It's just a different attitude, not our in this case. This will always be a Conference first and flea market second, that is not likely to change. John H. Article: 332232 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Congrats to Ron Lawrence Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:32:33 -0400 Message-ID: <122vrkjgncdksfe@corp.supernews.com> References: <2747-442FE54E-518@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> Nice setup, Ron. -Bill M Article: 332233 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:21:34 -0700 Message-ID: <2747-442FEBFE-523@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> References: >From 'Rune': >...they were generally dependable, at >least as dependable as transformer sets >because the highest failure items were >common to both - tubes, condensers, >and resistors. Failure of resistors and condensers was NOT common during the expected 'service life' of the set. Not until they were decades old would condenser leakage and resistor drift become the routine problems.. as witnessed by restorers of old sets. Tubes were by far the biggest failure mode- rectifiers and AF output (like 25Z6, 25L6) accounting for probably 90% of failures - open heaters or occasionally H-K shorts. Then with the advent of the 35W4 and 50C5, failure rate REALLY skyrocketed with open heaters and H-K shorts due to the high power dissipated by those tubes' heaters. Routine problems with resistors and condensers would await future aficianados. Bill(oc) Article: 332234 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: What is the going rate for a speaker recone? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:54:13 -0600 Message-ID: <21351-442FF3A5-889@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> References: What I preach is most damaged speakers are totally repairable in the home using household materials. You dont need to recone about 80% of the ones that I see. Most serious is damaged voicecoils or spiders of course. Then its usually recone time. Mark Oppat I agree 100 % with that . The only time i get real picky about a fresh cone is on a very valuable radio . Interesting here yesterday i drug home another jukebox . 3 out of its 4 speakers were toast . Of all things a piece of metal had fallen and landed in the12`` woofer and stuck to the frame right on top of the spider and pulled the cone all the way in . The magnet caused the metal piece to do this instead of falling out . I was able to remove the cone and replace only the spider . The other 2 speakers are 5x7 ovals . one open the other with a rubbing coil . The darn voice coils were 20 ohm . I had new replacement 20 ohm coils with nice aluminum forms , new cones & spiders those get finished today . I can still do some recones and VC work . As i went back through my stuff i did see several very deep 12`` cones for odd speaker work . forgot i had those Article: 332235 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:02:53 -0600 Message-ID: <21351-442FF5AD-893@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> References: <122vp46kphjri77@corp.supernews.com> No ... you will do what you always have done-in this case gotten away with- no matter what because being wrong is just not possible or acceptable. Article: 332236 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: Subject: Re: Congrats to Ron Lawrence Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:59:36 GMT Here's a link to the display at Discovery Place. http://cc_awa.homestead.com/DiscoveryPlace.html The spark transmitter was built by 4HK a 12 year old boy in Reidsville NC in about 1920. It's made almost completely of found junk box parts. Ron philo wrote in message news:XrednX0nybWpfrLZRVn-tA@athenet.net... > >> http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/Apr06CQCvr.jpg > >> I didn't see any spark-gap stuff in that picture > > > > My one complete spark transmitter is in a glass case > > at Discovery Place Science museum in Charlotte. > > If you have a picture somewhere it would be nice to see it. > The closest I ever got to a spark-gap transmitter was when I had a shorted > Article: 332237 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:08:29 -0400 Message-ID: <123018f8paru68f@corp.supernews.com> References: <122vp46kphjri77@corp.supernews.com> <21351-442FF5AD-893@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> Ken G. wrote: > No ... you will do what you always have done-in this case gotten away > with- no matter what because being wrong is just not possible or > acceptable. > :) Article: 332238 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1143998456.456850.169760@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Rare Remastered THE ROBE, Remastered 5.1 TEN COMMANDMENTS laserdiscs Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:35:22 -0400 Why is this OFF TOPIC crap building up here? Article: 332239 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1143998384.896142.264560@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Last Hours! Rare NEW ORDER STORY Laserdisc Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:35:40 -0400 More crap. Article: 332240 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: bias cell Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:34:11 -0700 Message-ID: <22987-44300B13-46@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: <442FF943.7040301@adelphia.net> Thanks for the link, Roger. It's refreshing to get updated on more arcane aspects of things we once made our living at and took for granted. Bill(oc) Article: 332241 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Rare Remastered THE ROBE, Remastered 5.1 TEN COMMANDMENTS laserdiscs Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:08:52 -0400 Message-ID: <12304pn2t46mh2c@corp.supernews.com> References: <1143998456.456850.169760@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Uncle Peter wrote: > Why is this OFF TOPIC crap building up here? > > Betcha a dollar its the same 8-track a$$hole. Article: 332242 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" Subject: FWIW color marking Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:17:36 -0500 Folks, Thought I'd share this notion. Confronted with R&R of an RF transformer assembly consisting of four primary-secondary sets in one can, I did the usual... diagrams to a fare-thee-well, and numerous digital photos. Then I dug out the old set of artists' acrylics. Used the brightest colors, and put a dot of color on the end of each wire, and the same color on each corresponding connection before disconnecting it. It ain't pretty, but I feel a lot more confident doing this. Acrylics can be reasonably cheap, they dry in minutes, and can be thinned/cleaned off with water before they dry. They can be scraped off in many cases later. Hardly OEM, but I don't expect anyone to be looking inside this thing later anyway. Maybe later I'll make a painting of the radio. Or... not.:>) FWIW Nelson Article: 332243 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3366-443025EA-749@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> I WILL BE PROVIDING A SET OF MOLDS, PROTECTED PLASTIC AND A SHEET OF INSTRUCTIONS FOR MAKING PLASTIC DIAL COVERS. THESE DIAL COVERS ARE THE SAME AS THE ONES I MADE OVER 5000 OF BEFORE MY STROKE. NO VACUUM DEVISE IS REQUIRED, THE PLASTIC IS NOT OF THE TYPE NORMALLY AVAILABLE FROM HOBBY STORES FOR THE MAKING OF COCKPITS AND SUCH. THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE COMPLETE IN EVERY WAY. THE KIT CONSISTS OF SIX PIECES OF PLASTIC 6 1/2" x 6 1/2", SIX PIECES OF 1/4" FIVE PLY PLYWOOD 6 1/2" X 6 1/2" FOR USE AS THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE MOLDS. THE POSTAGE IS INCLUDED IN THE PRICE AS IS NORMAL FOR ALL MY PROJECTS. PRICE FOR THE KIT IS $18.00 OR ABOUT $3.00 PER UNIT. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 332244 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: exray@coqui.net Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:45:28 -0500 Message-ID: <25559-443029D8-839@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS I NEED TO CHANGE ABOUT MY WEBSITE. REMOVE THE AD FOR MICA, I RAN OUT. INCLUDE THE PART FROM THE NEWSGROUP ABOUT THE PLASTIC, MOLDS AND INSTRUCTIONS. EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, FOLLOWING THE PART ABOUT PLASTIC DIAL COVERS. I HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF USING A TWO WHEELER RATHER THAN THE WHEELCHAIR. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 332245 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 16:25:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1230cpao0nrkpb9@corp.supernews.com> References: <122vp46kphjri77@corp.supernews.com> <21351-442FF5AD-893@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> <123018f8paru68f@corp.supernews.com> I guess these are the crows that pick at what's left after the dogs finish, eddie. John H. Article: 332246 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44303F9A.C15D3A5F@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: exray@coqui.net References: <25559-443029D8-839@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:18:18 -0400 --------------F4596501AC2EC219B98A5716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI BILL, HOW ARE YOU DOING? GLAD YOU CAN GET AROUND A LITTLE EASIER. I WISH YOU A FULL RECOVERY. REGARDS, SAL BRISINDI Bill Turner wrote: > I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS I NEED TO CHANGE ABOUT MY WEBSITE. > > REMOVE THE AD FOR MICA, I RAN OUT. > > INCLUDE THE PART FROM THE NEWSGROUP ABOUT THE PLASTIC, MOLDS AND > INSTRUCTIONS. EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, FOLLOWING THE PART ABOUT PLASTIC DIAL > COVERS. > > I HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF USING A TWO WHEELER RATHER THAN > THE WHEELCHAIR. > > CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com > Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. > Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. --------------F4596501AC2EC219B98A5716 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI BILL,
HOW ARE YOU DOING? GLAD YOU CAN GET AROUND A LITTLE EASIER. I WISH YOU A FULL RECOVERY.

REGARDS,
SAL BRISINDI

Bill Turner wrote:

I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS I NEED TO CHANGE ABOUT MY WEBSITE.

REMOVE THE AD FOR MICA, I RAN OUT.

INCLUDE THE PART FROM THE NEWSGROUP ABOUT THE PLASTIC, MOLDS AND
INSTRUCTIONS. EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, FOLLOWING THE PART ABOUT PLASTIC DIAL
COVERS.

I HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF USING A TWO WHEELER RATHER THAN
THE WHEELCHAIR.

CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.

--------------F4596501AC2EC219B98A5716-- Article: 332247 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: exray@coqui.net Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:29:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1230gie8380ir79@corp.supernews.com> References: <25559-443029D8-839@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Bill Turner wrote: > I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS I NEED TO CHANGE A little email confusion but message received. -Bill M Article: 332248 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann Dyer" Subject: Re: I need an estimate Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:04:47 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1143863321.131097.59920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <2SRXf.740$up2.40@fed1read07> "Bill Jeffrey" wrote in message news:2SRXf.740$up2.40@fed1read07... > Just a thought. Be careful about using the word "quote" vs the word > "estimate". To many people (including me) they imply very different > things. > To far too many people, they are synonyms. You give someone an estimate and they think it's a set in stone figure. Article: 332249 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann Dyer" Subject: Re: Connecting Discman/iPod to 1960s Maganvox Console Radio? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:09:19 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1144006564.236409.87290@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1144006564.236409.87290@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hello, > > I recently purchased a large Magnavox Astro-Sonic console radio - > transistor-style, stereo, AM/FM, with a phonograph. It's the style with > the sliding top covers and decorative handle pulls on the front. > > Everything works well, and I'm very happy with the radio. However, I've > been curious about attaching an input into the radio's auxilary input - > ideally, a headphone jack-type input off of a CD player, Minidisc > player, or iPod/MP3 player. > > There is an "AUX" setting on the radio's input knob, and the manual (in > original, pristine condition!) refers obliquely to the ability to > connect an "external tape recorder" to play or record and "conventional > sockets on the radio chassis" through which it could be connected. Basically, open the back of the thing, you'll see two pair of RCA jacks on the chassis. One says REC (or Tape OUT) and the other PLAY (or Tape In). Use the latter pair. You can buy cables at R/S with a 3.5mm plug on one end and RCA plugs on the other that will do just what you want to do. Those inputs should be just fine for what you want to do. Article: 332250 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1230paaa5p0iddd@corp.supernews.com> References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> <1143988961.174467.230060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <122vr12an57r052@corp.supernews.com> Which is it? Did I come for "nothing" or the most important part that most people come to? If it's what most people come for, what's wrong with coming the first day and expecting something? Saturday at most of these events is a sad joke played on working people, suddenly it became THE day. But don't count on that next year. "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:csKdnWdU757Lwq3ZRVn-uQ@comcast.com... > John, > I dont agree, I think most come for the flea market still at Charlotte Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:5mwXf.56187$915.3583@southeast.rr.com... > Let me address some of Johns comments. > > > You were only there a few hours, you didn't really see ANY of the > conference. THIS IS NOT JUST A FLEA MARKET. Article: 332251 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" Subject: Fraud alert---A whole flock of Zenith Waltons on eBay right now Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:58:52 GMT Beware of all the fraudulent eBay auctions for Zenith Waltons or Fender Stratocasters that open and redirect immediately to a log in page. DO NOT ENTER YOUR ID AND PASSWORD WHEN VIEWING THESE This appears to be some kind of phishing attempt, and they've found a way to do it right through eBay. The following fraudulent listings are found under seller boydas1. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZboydas1QQhtZ-1 Auctions: 6619139764 9707331265 7404299510 7404299231 7756417440 7020528675 7606434211 9707327933 6866888981 8403368514 6619130066 6619129618 7402760369 They appear to be a combination of real (?) auctions 7403541761 and 6617375126. jim menning Article: 332252 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Fraud alert---A whole flock of Zenith Waltons on eBay right now Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:08:38 -0400 "jim menning" wrote in message news:wj%Xf.39325$Eg2.9231@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > Beware of all the fraudulent eBay auctions for Zenith Waltons or Fender Stratocasters > that open and redirect immediately to a log in page. > > DO NOT ENTER YOUR ID AND PASSWORD WHEN VIEWING THESE I don't get the redirection page asking for a log in. BTW, no one will fall for that, the grille cloth is installed wrong. Ruins the radio. Pete Article: 332253 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Fraud alert---A whole flock of Zenith Waltons on eBay right now Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 02:46:15 GMT " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:Ls%Xf.9695$FD4.6157@dukeread07... > > "jim menning" wrote in message > news:wj%Xf.39325$Eg2.9231@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> Beware of all the fraudulent eBay auctions for Zenith Waltons or Fender > Stratocasters >> that open and redirect immediately to a log in page. >> >> DO NOT ENTER YOUR ID AND PASSWORD WHEN VIEWING THESE > > > I don't get the redirection page asking for a log in. > > BTW, no one will fall for that, the grille cloth is installed > wrong. Ruins the radio. > > Pete > > > I wasn't worried about people being fooled by the auction and bidding, I was warning people of the "phish". For those who do get the redirected page, this could fool them as it is a redirect >from real eBay pages. The redirect is fairly quick. You get a quick look at the auction page, then it's off to the false sign-in page. jim menning Article: 332254 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: craigm Subject: Re: Fraud alert---A whole flock of Zenith Waltons on eBay right now References: <1144032230.362501.37670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:01:23 -0500 Steve Reeves wrote: > I didn't get the redirect either using Mozilla Firefox as a browser > however I did when using Micro$oft internet explorer. If you're gonna > spoof an auction at least the description should fit the picture. and > the logon page redirects to a spoofed ebay motors page. > Well it's Sunday night time for the Jack Benny program on the ol philco > via my sstrans. no one but Clear Channel tries to hack into that box. > Regard, > Steven Reeves Setting your security higher in IE will stop the popup. The popup goes to a Juno IP address. craigm Article: 332255 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: Fraud alert---A whole flock of Zenith Waltons on eBay right now Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:01:03 -0400 " Uncle Peter" wrote in message > > "jim menning" wrote in message > news:wj%Xf.39325$Eg2.9231@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> Beware of all the fraudulent eBay auctions for Zenith Waltons or Fender > Stratocasters >> that open and redirect immediately to a log in page. >> >> DO NOT ENTER YOUR ID AND PASSWORD WHEN VIEWING THESE > > > I don't get the redirection page asking for a log in. > > BTW, no one will fall for that, the grille cloth is installed > wrong. Ruins the radio. > > Pete It's written in Java...Pretty clever. Using eBay as a phishing gate... The fake login is redirected here: http://www.john7000.computed.net (66.28.205.141) Syl Article: 332256 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:18:45 -0700 Message-ID: References: Phil Nelson wrote: > Series-string radios, like the "All American Five" sets, and TVs, like the > postwar 7-inch sets or Predictas, for that matter, were designed to cut > costs by omitting the expensive power transformer. In my experience, the > cost-cutting urge often shows up in other ways, as well. > > My question is: are there any truly fine radios or TVs that use the > series-string design? I mean fine in build quality as well as performance. > > I can think of one exception to the cost-cutting imperative: the Colonial > Globe, where a power transformer would have been too big and heavy for the > cramped, spherical Bakelite cabinet. Same for all tube portables, naturally > (although low cost is also desirable for a portable). > > Perhaps there are others . . . ? > Indeed there are.....Here's one: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~postr/bapix/SLRM.htm Definitely NOT junk....Wouldn't mind having one! -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 332257 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Connecting Discman/iPod to 1960s Maganvox Console Radio? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:37:09 -0600 Message-ID: <28752-44309865-1024@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> References: <1144035083.105377.321920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> ipod and other makers sell small FM transmitters that plug into your ipod or cd players headphone jack that are for use in a car but work very well on about any FM radio . I have one Article: 332258 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Congrats to Ron Lawrence Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:33:19 -0700 Message-ID: References: Uncle Peter wrote: > Ron's vintage ham station made CQ Magazine's > cover for April! > I love that HRO he's tuning...Bet it's plenty sensitive. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 332259 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Connecting Discman/iPod to 1960s Maganvox Console Radio? Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:52:44 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1144006564.236409.87290@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144022358.895189.202770@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> hafner@peoplepc.com wrote: > But you're absolutely right - those all looked like outputs to me, > which is what made me nervous. As well you should be.....Don't even THINK about connecting your Ipod to those lugs. As William said, the odds of frying your Ipod are better than good. Many of these hi-fi consoles were offered in several different cabinet styles, with a common chassis going into each one. There was usually a board or box that plugged into the main chassis to externalize the auxilliary inputs. Apparently, Magnavox made this an option on your unit to save a few bucks. Probably, the connectors you are looking for (hopefully standard RCA jacks) are located somewhere on the chassis. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 332260 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: In Japan it's now illegal to sell used or vintage electronics Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:27:30 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1143937440.125781.260990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1144028535.568452.315190@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1144028535.568452.315190@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >I read yesterday that this law had been repealed. > Not repealed, modified to a point. Some low power stuff won't be required to be tested for another year. Article: 332261 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: strange things happen Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 00:16:14 -0700 Message-ID: See alt.binaries.pictures.radio -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 332262 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <1143863321.131097.59920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <2SRXf.740$up2.40@fed1read07> Subject: Re: I need an estimate Message-ID: <5T4Yf.10628$x97.9297@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:18:09 GMT Good catch. That's what happens when you post at 4:00AM. I have given either, depending on circumstances. Some commercial accounts won't OK a purchase order for a vague amount. So I add a fudge factor, make sure I know what it needs, or tell them it isn't an economically-wise investment to repair it. They usually end up paying more for the job than if they left it open. Most individuals understand estimates but bean-counters want concrete numbers. That's why I have cut off commercial outfits except for a couple of colleges that have been flexible. I also got tired of waiting months for the payment. Most want to do bills quarterly. I don't need that. Ray "Bill Jeffrey" wrote in message news:2SRXf.740$up2.40@fed1read07... > Just a thought. Be careful about using the word "quote" vs the word > "estimate". To many people (including me) they imply very different > things. > > Bill Jeffrey > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Rune wrote: > >> I still won't give a quote without seeing things now. >> >> Ray Article: 332263 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <2747-442FEBFE-523@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Message-ID: <1i5Yf.8485$nA3.1144@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:46:53 GMT There were many failures of resistors and capacitors in new sets in the 40s. If you have old Sams folders there were constant letters in them about new sets with bad resistors and caps, both paper and lytic. Manufacturing was inconsistent with some component brands, especially in the high-demand years just after the war. Then there were the "Black Beauties". They sounded so good in the ads... But, yes, tubes were the major problem. Even then, the sets did well except for ones that were heavily used and cooked themselves to death high on a shelf near a ceiling. I used to dread the kitchen and diner sets - heavily-used and with grease baked on everything. It wasn't unusual for these sets to run for years with the original parts and tubes and get put away still in running condition just because the owner got a newer one. 100% right on the 35W4s and especially 50C5s. I get a lot of the C5's (25C5, 35C5, 50C5) that hum or are vibration sensitive. That was a massive problem with the crappy old AV equipment that used them with mechanical stuff, like movie projectors. The vibrations made short work of the ceramic filament insulation and some tubes were built like crap in general. Remember the early Japanese tubes that would flare up like lightbulbs when first turned on? They always amazed me. I expected them to burn up but they somehow hung in there. And it seems like every set I have gotten in over the last few months needs a 35L6 or 50L6 for hum reasons. I seriously need to restock. Ray "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message news:2747-442FEBFE-523@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net... > From 'Rune': > >>...they were generally dependable, at >>least as dependable as transformer sets >>because the highest failure items were >>common to both - tubes, condensers, >>and resistors. > > Failure of resistors and condensers was NOT common during the expected > 'service life' of the set. Not until they were decades old would > condenser leakage and resistor drift become the routine problems.. as > witnessed by restorers of old sets. > Tubes were by far the biggest failure mode- rectifiers > and AF output (like 25Z6, 25L6) accounting for probably 90% of failures > - open heaters or occasionally H-K shorts. Then with the advent of the > 35W4 and 50C5, failure rate REALLY skyrocketed with open heaters and H-K > shorts due to the high power dissipated by those tubes' heaters. > Routine problems with resistors and condensers would > await future aficianados. > Bill(oc) > Article: 332264 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <1143823788.755535.7230@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1143848875.146375.276330@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4ZJXf.12740$cY3.8037@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Cracked 78 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:57:14 GMT Yes, a lot of records are turning up there that would have required years of searching to find just a short while ago. Estate sales often have piles of them and I have begged thrift stores here to not throw them out without putting them on the shelves. So many just want CD versions, even older folks, that these are everywhere. Things are changing a bit though. They are even making phonos with the 78 speed again. Crappy ones, yes, but it shows recognition of a market that was once gone. And eBay has everyone looking to get rich on stuff they'd have tossed a decade ago. That means availability. Price and quality are the hard parts. Ray "Bruce Mercer" wrote in message news:vJudnYF7lKS9ZbLZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@sigecom.net... > One more thing......over time the record will shrink, expanding the crack > if the glue doesn't hold. Once cracked, either record it on another medium > or throw it away. You can probably find another one on ebay. > B. > Article: 332265 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:07:50 -0700 Message-ID: <2747-44312C36-636@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> References: <1i5Yf.8485$nA3.1144@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> >From 'Rune': >There were many failures of resistors >and capacitors in new sets in the 40s. If >you have old Sams folders there were >constant letters in them about new sets >with bad resistors and caps, both paper >and lytic. Very true, and were mostly covered by warranty. But once a set made it past warranty into its expected 'service life', the great bulk of failures would most llikely be tubes, followed closely by electrolytics, which could go south at any time. *Routine* failures of resistors and paper caps wouldn't come until 'way past the 'service life', and tube failures rare. That's the point i wuz tryin' to make. oc Article: 332266 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: I need an estimate From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1143863321.131097.59920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:33:37 GMT In article , gizzledgeezer@comcast.net says... > > >PS: This is one of the reasons service shops charge a flat rare. > > > > Yup I quote the high end for any of them when asked... think about that radio being the worst one you ever worked on... bad wires... all the usual stuff... I tell them ... $250 ... maybe a little cheaper depending on conditions I run into working on it. PLUS any major parts that aren't included in all the stuff I always know I have to replace. So far never had anyone complain when I handed them a bill that was a bit smaller than the original quote ..... but when U say 150-250 ..... they are only hearing the 150 part ... John k9uwa ... who came back to Indiana TOO SOON! Article: 332267 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: strange things happen References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:11:24 GMT Stewart Schooley wrote: > Did that store have a sign in the window saying, "The right to buy > radios is the right to be free" ? That rings a bell with "The Weapons store." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 332268 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:06:32 -0700 Message-ID: <16380-44314808-468@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> References: <1144077141.789819.235690@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> >From Peter W.: >I am sure there are many, many others. > >Not everything is crap even if it is simple >and inexpensively made. Obvious >examples include... And don't forget the Hallicrafters S-38, the little series-stringer that was many a kid's intro to an avocation in radio. oc Article: 332269 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Caveat Lector" References: <1144077141.789819.235690@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <16380-44314808-468@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> <1144082021.141986.177240@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:03:24 -0700 I carried a Hallicrafters S-38 around with me while in the Navy -- not the most sensitive of radios -- but adequate considering the price. From areas in the Pacific - kept me in touch with home. Also I had a Silvertone AM radio back in the 60's -- it had a tuned RF amplifier stage and wow it picked up the clear channel stations all around the country in the winter months. The GE Super Radio of its time. So to answer the question IMHO NO! Perhaps the Mad Muntz TV's qualify as junk, but he sure sold a lot of them http://www.smecc.org/mad_man_muntz!.htm But to be fair -- if you could "SEE" the TV transmitter, the stripped down TV's worked after a fashion (;-) -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! Article: 332270 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Caveat Lector" References: <1144077141.789819.235690@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <16380-44314808-468@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> <1144082021.141986.177240@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1144085174.116278.308210@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:40:03 -0700 Huh -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "Steven" wrote in message news:1144085174.116278.308210@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > Ever seen RED cones on 5" speakers, CL? > Article: 332271 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Fraud alert---A whole flock of Zenith Waltons on eBay right now From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:44:51 GMT In article , jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com says... > > >The redirect is fairly quick. You get a quick look at the >auction page, then it's off to the false sign-in page. > >jim menning > > had to quickly hit the STOP button to get the browser to stay put so I could look at the radio .... and some fool did the buy it now on it! John Article: 332272 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave Burson" Subject: can an eBayer do this? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:54:53 GMT >From listing # 6619279068: Q: PLease chnage your title, the words -Beautiful, working- as it refers to an antique radio is copyrighted by me. Ebay has honored my requests for removal in the past, please change it now and avoid the problem, or I will report you. I apreciate your cooperation. Thanks. A: This will be changed as I was not aware of the coypright. I will leave off the word working. I regret the error and had no idea this was a copyright. RS If this isn't a joke the implications are staggering. Article: 332273 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: paulSPAM@paulsherwin.co.uk (Paul Sherwin) Subject: Re: Korting radio STEREO= SE ? MONO =PP ? Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:00:34 GMT Message-ID: <443161d4.28798069@news.demon.co.uk> References: <1144083895.103293.151740@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 3 Apr 2006 10:04:55 -0700, "Savy" wrote: >I have an old German radio/phono console that I am interested in the >audio circuit for potential use (rebuild) as a guitar amp. > >The audio output is stated in the owner's manual to be 6 watt Push >pull. It has 2- EL95 pentodes in the output, a pair of back to back OTs >and is apparently driven by 1/2 of a EABC80 tube (single triode part) >while the other half of the tube (triple diode) seems to serve the >radio circuit. [snip] This is NOT a good idea. Tube radio audio stages aren't designed to be overrun heavily and you'll wreck a nice old radio to no purpose. The EL95 is completely unsuitable for use in a guitar amp even in push pull - it's a tiny 7 pin miniature tube. For a guitar amp you'll need decent output pentodes like 6L6s or EL84s and a big meaty output transformer. Best regards, Paul -- Paul Sherwin Consulting http://paulsherwin.co.uk Article: 332274 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:20:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1232psbnrt1cva6@corp.supernews.com> References: Dave Burson wrote: > From listing # 6619279068: > > Q: PLease chnage your title, the words -Beautiful, working- as it > refers to an antique radio is copyrighted by me. Ebay has honored my > requests for removal in the past, please change it now and avoid the > problem, or I will report you. I apreciate your cooperation. Thanks. > > A: This will be changed as I was not aware of the coypright. I will > leave off the word working. I regret the error and had no idea this was a > copyright. RS > > > > If this isn't a joke the implications are staggering. > > April 1st of 2006 is turning out to yield a banner harvest. -Bill Article: 332275 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: New Restoration Now on Forum and Binaries Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1232ru4mq67qa51@corp.supernews.com> See "Philco 116 Shouldered".... John H. Article: 332276 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:57:52 GMT "Dave Burson" wrote in message news:NjdYf.11344$tN3.2575@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > From listing # 6619279068: > > Q: PLease chnage your title, the words -Beautiful, working- as it refers to an > antique radio is copyrighted by me. Ebay has honored my requests for removal in the > past, please change it now and avoid the problem, or I will report you. I apreciate > your cooperation. Thanks. > > A: This will be changed as I was not aware of the coypright. I will leave off > the word working. I regret the error and had no idea this was a copyright. RS > > > > If this isn't a joke the implications are staggering. > I believe you will find this "Q:" to be from seller igolioto. His eBay store is named "Beautiful working bakelite radios". I doubt that just the two words separated by a comma would be a copyright issue. jim menning Article: 332277 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: New Restoration Now on Forum Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:02:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1232s9vimqngf0d@corp.supernews.com> References: <1232ru4mq67qa51@corp.supernews.com> At Forum- http://antiqueradios.com/forums/Forum13/HTML/010754.html John H. Article: 332278 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Mutch Subject: Re: Cracked 78 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:35:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1143823788.755535.7230@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8p-dnT0TfZd7ELDZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@athenet.net> george conklin wrote: > "Tim Mullen" wrote in message > news:e0k374$ft4$1@reader1.panix.com... > >>In <8p-dnT0TfZd7ELDZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@athenet.net> philo >> writes: >> >> >>>As a matter of fact...you should record *all* your valuable 78's and >>>only play recordings of them... >>>but keep plenty of non-valuable 78's around for playing on your vintage >>>equipment! >> >> Here's a random question: How many plays were expected from a shellac >>78 before even grandma would start to wince? Assuming reasonable care, >>and a new needle each and every play. I'd guess the design lifetime >>would've been at least 100 plays? I fully understand this question is >>most likely impossible to answer with any meaningful precision, but >>I just had to ask anyway. >> >>(Right now Benny Goodman's "Jersey Bounce" and The Revolting Cock's >>"Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?" are competing for aural space in my brain. >>I better go listen to something before Revco beats up Benny...) >> > > That rate of wearing out a record would be with a heavy head and a steel > needle. > With a light pickup, you could get a lot of plays out of a 78. Of course, > Edison's diamond discs were good for about 3,000 plays with a heavy head. > > At the AWA museum in Bloomfield NY last year they had a demo of a late '40's vintage Stomber-Carlson changer with a GE variable reluctance cart tracking at 3.3 grams. The quality of sound was astonishingly good, and I'll bet that rig with that low tracking force and a good diamond stylus would make hundreds of playbacks before you heard a difference. Article: 332279 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> <1143988961.174467.230060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <122vr12an57r052@corp.supernews.com> <1144067968.257042.248570@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144091829.977814.107130@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:38:19 GMT "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1144091829.977814.107130@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > the whole concept that it is improper to say anything > negative about the meet has go to end. i am not going to win this > argument no matter what. i concede. > It's a shame for you and John to get trampled on for expressing your honest opinions. The meet as far as you were concerned was a disaster. There is nothing wrong or unfair in stating that. jim menning Article: 332280 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:39:00 -0400 I'd report him to ebay for making that threat. Heck, then I'll copyright "vintage, deco, rare," and "radio" while I'm at it. Pete "Dave Burson" wrote in message news:NjdYf.11344$tN3.2575@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > From listing # 6619279068: > > Q: PLease chnage your title, the words -Beautiful, working- as it > refers to an antique radio is copyrighted by me. Ebay has honored my > requests for removal in the past, please change it now and avoid the > problem, or I will report you. I apreciate your cooperation. Thanks. > > A: This will be changed as I was not aware of the coypright. I will > leave off the word working. I regret the error and had no idea this was a > copyright. RS > > > > If this isn't a joke the implications are staggering. > > Article: 332281 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: strange things happen References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:33:56 -0400 Was Alice there? Ken Jim Mueller wrote: > See alt.binaries.pictures.radio Article: 332282 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: 450 v. or 160 v? References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:43:31 -0400 Use the voltage required by the circuit. If the block contains a B+ bypass cap, use the 400V. If the cap is in the audio or avc, a 200V will do. The cap from output tube plate to gnd should be 600V.Ken Blacksmith wrote: > Never mind. I can't wait for an answer. I've decided to go witht he > 450v since Phil's Repair Bench lists a bunch, not mine of course, and > most of them are at 400v. > > On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:36:15 -0400, Blacksmith > wrote: > > >>I'm working on a Philco 37-602 that has those wax filled blocks with >>the capacitors built into them. I'm in the process of putting new >>filter caps in, (not in the blocks, but in the chassis), and I >>remember when I did the Philco console and melted out all 13 blocks I >>had to use 450 v filter caps. >> >>This radio uses similar tar blocks, and the schematic doesn't specify >>the votage for the caps. Can I use 160v. caps in this one? >> >>Was the reason for the higher voltage caps in the console because it >>used a transformer? >>Blacksmith >>wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom > > > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 332283 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: Korting radio STEREO= SE ? MONO =PP ? Message-ID: References: <1144083895.103293.151740@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <443161d4.28798069@news.demon.co.uk> <1144089351.209503.165920@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1144090221.420872.32100@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1144092244.559805.304120@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144094331.527767.316650@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:14:21 GMT On 3 Apr 2006 12:58:51 -0700, "Savy" wrote: >And before I leave you guys... My origional question was weather this >radio is in fact using two single ended OTs based on my discription and >being that those on this forum would be most familiar with these >particular circuits.... > >Just a curiosity y'all. >savy I recall that many years ago I worked on a number of German radios (They may have been Kortings, as that was one of the brands that my employer was the agent for) that had a stereo/mono setup as you describe. The circuit had a push-pull output transformer and a single ended transformer. When in mono, the push-pull transformer was used, while stereo used the single-ended transformer and half of the push-Pull one. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 332284 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: 450 v. or 160 v? Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:49:04 -0400 Message-ID: <123362lccb8cq0b@corp.supernews.com> References: Blacksmith wrote: > Ken, > I guess I wasn't clear, mentioning the blocks. It's the filter caps > I'm considering. > > Anyway, it doesn't matter now as I've already squeezed the larger 450v > caps into the tiny pocket under the old filter cap can. > > Thanks Sri to be late :( 160vdc electrolytics would have been fine. -Bill Article: 332285 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Caveat Lector" Subject: How about an antique light bulb Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:12:05 -0700 Burning since since 1901 !!!!! URL: http://www.energyquest.ca.gov/time_machine/centennial_lightbulb.html Better still -- check up on the old bulb -- live videocam -- URL: http://www.centennialbulb.org/photos.htm A kicker was: Unlike the bulb, the first video camera had a limited life of about 3 years. -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! Article: 332286 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Message-ID: <0wiYf.39567$jf2.36469@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:49:16 GMT "jim menning" wrote in message news:QeeYf.39376$Eg2.38236@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > I believe you will find this "Q:" to be from seller igolioto. His eBay > store is named "Beautiful working bakelite radios". I doubt that just the > two words separated by a comma would be a copyright issue. > > jim menning Is there a way to tell for sure if he's copyrighted the phrase? -- Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.binghamtonradio.com/gallery2/v/Antique_radios/ and the workbench webcam: http://www.binghamtonradio.com/webcam Article: 332287 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Shawn K Subject: Re: Is this TransOceanic R520/URR authentic? References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:58:32 GMT Hi Phil, Yes, that radio is authentic, it has the original ID tag with serial number on it, 2 of the 4 power plug adapters (these are very difficult to find, most sets are missing these), and the D cell battery adapter. It is hard to tell if the knobs are original, they should be dark brown, but look like black in the picture. It also appears that the filter can on the chassis may have been replaced. Overall, a very nice radio. If he is selling, and you're not interested, please forward my e-mail address to him. Also Phil, if you are ever up in Canada, (Surrey, BC,) and want to see one of these, feel free to drop me a note and stop by, I have both military models. PS: Check out my website, it is almost completely dedicated to the R-520. www.thisoldradio.com Phil Nelson wrote: > Never having seen one in the flesh, I can't say. > > Pictures posted in alt.binaries.pictures.radio. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html -- Shawn K www.thisoldradio.com Article: 332288 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> <1143988961.174467.230060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <122vr12an57r052@corp.supernews.com> <1144067968.257042.248570@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144091829.977814.107130@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144103768.745952.148080@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:56:18 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote in message news:1144103768.745952.148080@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > ron, i know it is difficult for you to comprehend, but this isn't > personal. I'm 53 years old, I've worked on this antique radio event for more than half of my life, DAMN RIGHT I TAKE IT PERSONAL. You come in and spend 1 1/2 hours and here and then complain that I let it RAIN. There is no way that attempting to move the flea market inside on Friday would have been ANYTHING but a disaster. A few folks might have gone inside but most would have stayed put in the parking lot. If it had been pouring down rain, we would have moved inside. I talked to the good people with the Sheraton Thursday morning and they said if it was a rain out they would fill the lobby with tables if necessary. It also has NOTHING to do with being a club member, or even taking an active role in the event, what it does have to do with is being supportive of all the effort that a lot of good people put into making an event of this size happen. In all the time that I've know you crawled on the earth all I've ever heard or read from you concerning our events was complaining about something. Have a nice day. The opinions stated here are MINE and MINE alone. Ron Lawrence Article: 332289 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4431BC4E.2FCC1225@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? References: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:22:38 -0400 How pathetic, if it is copyrighted he must have some legal documents stating so... Sal Dave Burson wrote: > From listing # 6619279068: > > Q: PLease chnage your title, the words -Beautiful, working- as it > refers to an antique radio is copyrighted by me. Ebay has honored my > requests for removal in the past, please change it now and avoid the > problem, or I will report you. I apreciate your cooperation. Thanks. > > A: This will be changed as I was not aware of the coypright. I will > leave off the word working. I regret the error and had no idea this was a > copyright. RS > > If this isn't a joke the implications are staggering. Article: 332290 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: How about an antique light bulb Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 02:39:49 +0200 Message-ID: References: philo wrote: > On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:12:05 -0700, Caveat Lector wrote: > > > Burning since since 1901 !!!!! > > URL: > > http://www.energyquest.ca.gov/time_machine/centennial_lightbulb.html > > > > Better still -- check up on the old bulb -- live videocam -- URL: > > http://www.centennialbulb.org/photos.htm > > > > A kicker was: Unlike the bulb, the first video camera had a limited life of > > about 3 years. > > > Wow!!! that thing is still going??? > > I remember reading about it when I was a kid...maybe around 1964 or so... > > I'm sure there will be a regulation coming out pretty soon making them > replace it with one of those fluorescent long life "bulbs" In our elevators they was replacing halogen lamps with flurorescent lamps, then replacing fluorecent lamps with LED lamps, than ... LED lamps with ... big surprise ... halogen lamps. sounds like stopping the clock to loan time ;-) Kind Regards Georg Article: 332291 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "t.hoehler" References: <1144077141.789819.235690@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:59:59 GMT > I'll concede that TOs qualify as "high-end AA5s" (hey, I own more than a > dozen :-). I had excluded portables by definition, since the motive for > excluding a power transformer in a portable is obvious. > > Your comment about the 46-420 is interesting. I've had one for about > fifteen years -- it's sitting on a shelf in this room -- but never got > around to restoring the electronics. Now I have a reason to drag it out to > the workshop! > > Regards, > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios In the same vein of the TOs, is the Strato-Worlds. They are fine perfoming sets. My Dad had a Motorola table model AM/FM radio in the mid sixties, sure wish I could remember the model number. It had a very unusual FM tuning unit, it looked like a spiral of heavy gauge wire, and the adjustment arm followed the spiral inward as you tuned to the upper part of the band. I had to clean the dust out of the tuner periodically, it would get noisy like a dirty pot when you tuned it. Never remembered having to do anything else to it, that thing sounded great for years and years. Regards, Tom Article: 332292 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: 450 v. or 160 v? Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:21:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1233ihkb0bq4q08@corp.supernews.com> References: <123362lccb8cq0b@corp.supernews.com> Blacksmith wrote: > > What indicates it? 115 volts dc out of the rectifier. > Why did the Philco console need 450v? Transformer? See the DC voltage readings for the set. Transformer alone isn't a good indication because the DC voltage could be anywhere from 100 to 500 with a transformer. Conversely, lack of a transformer doesn't guarantee low voltage since there are some sets with voltage doubler circuits. -Bill Article: 332293 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> <1143988961.174467.230060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <122vr12an57r052@corp.supernews.com> <1144067968.257042.248570@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144091829.977814.107130@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144103768.745952.148080@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 01:16:56 GMT And I'm through with this mess. It's time to start planning next years show. Mark your calendars now for March 22-23-24, 2007 for the 31st "Spring Meet in the Carolinas". I hope to see EVERYONE there. Ron Lawrence, CC-AWA President and Conference Chairman. www.cc-awa.org Article: 332294 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:41:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1233jlv3idfvnb4@corp.supernews.com> References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> <1143988961.174467.230060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <122vr12an57r052@corp.supernews.com> <1144067968.257042.248570@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144091829.977814.107130@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144103768.745952.148080@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144113059.647649.51320@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1144113059.647649.51320@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > I personally have no problem with > hitting up the people who are only there for the best deals at the > market Because they need to be PUNISHED for not having time for the whole three days. Retired=rewarded, working stiff=slap in face. At Rochester, the seminars are always lightly attended and the flea busy (or was until they started killing that event off) yet the flea is a barely tolerated distraction. IMHO that's why it's dying among other rigid intolerant reasons. Essentially busy people help subsidize the other two days of the Conference to punish them for failing to take it seriously enough. I posted a report about what happened to me and because I had the NERVE to not have a good time I and eddie have been run over the coals. A real warm Southern welcome you guys give newcomers. BE WARNED- never admit you are going to a "Conference" and only attending the flea. Slip away quietly if you have to, but TELL NO ONE. John H. Article: 332295 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4431D3F6.F24E85D8@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? References: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:03:34 -0400 Steven, To tell you the truth, the seller should do the complaining, If I had a radio for sale on ebay and I heard this garbage I would complain too plus I want to see some real legal documents before I would reword my auction. Sal Steven wrote: > He's been reported, thank you, now you do it too, but the seller is > still dismayed and not in a fighting mood I have gathered. This is > garbage. Article: 332296 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert Murrell" References: Subject: Re: Radio Extravaganza Lansing Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 02:37:40 GMT I'll try to have it up by the end of the week. We have a new server and there are some configuration issues I have to deal with before I can publish new pages. "Bill Cohn" wrote in message news:CvCdneSHjOXS3azZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com... > There does not seem to be any information about Extravaganza on the MAARC > web site yet. Is this an oversite? This event is in July and approaching > fast. Where is the information. Maybe I missed something. The info for > Radiofest in Bollingbrook is on the ARCI website and that event is a month > later. > > Just looking for info... > > Regards, > > N9MHT - Bill Cohn Article: 332297 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: 450 v. or 160 v? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:10:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1233otse0ulai42@corp.supernews.com> References: <123362lccb8cq0b@corp.supernews.com> "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:ajf3321udhna4kb04llu9a12tc4ocpskm8@4ax.com... > What indicates it? > Why did the Philco console need 450v? Transformer? One looks at the Voltage Chart and sees what the B+ on the output tube plate is, if its like350 volts you need the 450 volt cap. Transformer/ no transformer is a bit simplified. SOME transformer sets might get away with 350 volt filters, with a low enough B+. John H. Article: 332298 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:24:38 GMT In article , radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM says... > > seller was appreciative of several of the newsgroup that supported his use of the words and no changes are intended in the auction. Thats a nice little radio John k9uwa Article: 332299 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> <1143988961.174467.230060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <122vr12an57r052@corp.supernews.com> <1144067968.257042.248570@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144091829.977814.107130@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144103768.745952.148080@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144113059.647649.51320@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1233jlv3idfvnb4@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:30:05 -0500 Message-ID: <4431e2e8$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:1233jlv3idfvnb4@corp.supernews.com... > Because they need to be PUNISHED for not having time for the whole three > days. That's not quite was I was trying to say.......I suspect you had a run-in with somebody on this topic before. It's not about punishing people. It's about the fact that you aren't the only one in this particular situation, and giving people who just want to go to the flea market a cut admission rate means less income for the show as a whole. That could kill the economic viability of the entire event, and then who is being served at all? paul Article: 332300 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Replacing power resistor in RCA 630TS TV Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:06:57 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1143644523.322870.62010@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:xNWdnY5fholbRKzZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com... >>> How is your restoration going so far? > > And today . . . our first picture. > > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/RCA630TS21.jpg > > Lots more work to do, but this moment is always fun. > > Phil Nelson In a word, AWESOME. Wish I could get into a project like that, but could never get something like that shipped here. Article: 332301 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4431F41F.D0CFC28B@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <122th1bhs922q89@corp.supernews.com> <94mdnbii4o9cSrPZRVn-gg@comcast.com> <122tp2uhl8jj82e@corp.supernews.com> <1143988961.174467.230060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <122vr12an57r052@corp.supernews.com> <1144067968.257042.248570@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144091829.977814.107130@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144103768.745952.148080@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:21:36 GMT Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > > Eddie Brimer wrote in message > news:1144103768.745952.148080@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > ron, i know it is difficult for you to comprehend, but this isn't > > personal. > > I'm 53 years old, I've worked on this antique radio event for more than half > of my life, DAMN RIGHT I TAKE IT PERSONAL. > > You come in and spend 1 1/2 hours and here and then > complain that I let it RAIN. > > There is no way that attempting to move the flea market > inside on Friday would have been ANYTHING but a disaster. > A few folks might have gone inside but most would have stayed > put in the parking lot. > If it had been pouring down rain, we would have moved inside. > I talked to the good people with the Sheraton Thursday morning > and they said if it was a rain out they would fill the lobby with tables > if necessary. > > It also has NOTHING to do with being a club member, > or even taking an active role in the event, > what it does have to do with is being supportive of all the > effort that a lot of good people put into making an event > of this size happen. > > In all the time that I've know you crawled on the earth > all I've ever heard or read from you concerning our > events was complaining about something. > > Have a nice day. > > The opinions stated here are MINE and MINE alone. > > Ron Lawrence Its attitudes like that made me stop going to any radio or electronics related show. The last time I went to the Orlando hamfest to sell, the space I was assigned was under six inches of water. They told me that there were no other open spaces to move to, and refused to refund my money so I never went back. That weekend cost me a wad of money that i couldn't afford to lose, and it was over 10 years ago. I no longer go to any show to sell or to buy. I've had my fill of the self righteous types who don't give a damn about anyone outside of their clubs. Several clubs have dropped their events and are slowly dying off. I don't miss them at all. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 332302 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: 450 v. or 160 v? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:42:27 +0900 Message-ID: References: <123362lccb8cq0b@corp.supernews.com> <1233ihkb0bq4q08@corp.supernews.com> "- exray -" wrote in message news:1233ihkb0bq4q08@corp.supernews.com... > Blacksmith wrote: > > >> >> What indicates it? > > 115 volts dc out of the rectifier. > >> Why did the Philco console need 450v? Transformer? > > See the DC voltage readings for the set. Transformer alone isn't a good > indication because the DC voltage could be anywhere from 100 to 500 with a > transformer. Conversely, lack of a transformer doesn't guarantee low > voltage since there are some sets with voltage doubler circuits. > > -Bill This is very true (about the voltage doublers, but mostly in TV sets), but the voltage doubler itself uses 150V caps, then follows up with 350V ones for smoothing. Article: 332303 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <4431BC4E.2FCC1225@optonline.net> Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:56:57 -0400 Message-ID: <44325f0a$0$7326$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> If that's the case, then I'm gonna get the patent for the word, "Minty!" :-) "Sal Brisindi" wrote in message news:4431BC4E.2FCC1225@optonline.net... > How pathetic, if it is copyrighted he must have some legal documents > stating > so... > > Sal > > Dave Burson wrote: > >> From listing # 6619279068: >> >> Q: PLease chnage your title, the words -Beautiful, working- as it >> refers to an antique radio is copyrighted by me. Ebay has honored my >> requests for removal in the past, please change it now and avoid the >> problem, or I will report you. I apreciate your cooperation. Thanks. >> >> A: This will be changed as I was not aware of the coypright. I will >> leave off the word working. I regret the error and had no idea this was a >> copyright. RS >> >> If this isn't a joke the implications are staggering. > Article: 332304 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: 450 v. or 160 v? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:33:40 +0900 Message-ID: References: <123362lccb8cq0b@corp.supernews.com> <1233ihkb0bq4q08@corp.supernews.com> "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:g5p4325o9ke50pile21q9rnd1b1dtbi70j@4ax.com... > There are no voltages on the schematic, only resistance, and part > numbers and prices (a lot of help). > > Is there another place to look, or can one tell by looking the tube up > in a Recieving Tube Manual and checking the max voltage there? What's your tube lineup? Article: 332305 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: How about an antique light bulb References: <5Kidnad-4dKj8a_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:38:15 -0400 On my work bench I was getting about two weeks out of a standard bulb, just moving it around zapped it, and touching it burned me. These fluorescents are great, last over a year. Ken Tom Adkins wrote: > philo wrote: > >> >> >> well those "long life" fluorescent "bulbs" seem to always fail in >> about a year...so i don't use them anymore... >> > > I've found a great use for those bulbs. I put them in my drop lights. > The kind you use in the garage while working on your car,they have the > metal cage around the bulb. One bump and a standard light bulb is toast. > Expensive "rough service" bulbs arent much better. The fluorescents can > stand up to being dropped, bumped and generally manhandled. They also > don't get nearly as hot. I used one, as I was out of regular bulbs, and > it's lasted 6 months so far. Article: 332306 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Replacing power resistor in RCA 630TS TV Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:18:22 -0700 Message-ID: <22610-4432802E-527@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net> References: >The image looks amazingly sharp. I >expected something much smearier. Those old RCAs normally had a knock-your-socks-off picture. And DC restoration too. Phil's probably has DCR. oc Article: 332307 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: 450 v. or 160 v? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: <12350gjmnbv12e8@corp.supernews.com> References: <123362lccb8cq0b@corp.supernews.com> <1233ihkb0bq4q08@corp.supernews.com> Blacksmith wrote: > There are no voltages on the schematic, only resistance, and part > numbers and prices (a lot of help). > > Is there another place to look, or can one tell by looking the tube up > in a Recieving Tube Manual and checking the max voltage there? If you are looking at the info in Riders or Nostalgia Air there is a drawing showing the tube voltages. Lacking specific information, yes, you could somewhat count on a tube manual for worst case scenarios. -Bill Article: 332308 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: How about an antique light bulb References: <5Kidnad-4dKj8a_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1144159493.691817.219470@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:11:28 -0400 They're not as bright as advertised, maybe they'll improve. Ken Terry S wrote: > I put the CF bulbs into a fixture above my kitchen sink that used to > burn out small floods too quickly (Perhaps vibration from the garbage > disposal?). The CF bulbs aren't burning out, but the light output from > them has decreased markedly in about 6 months. If I had to guess I'd > say they are down at least 25 to 30 %. > > I bought a 6 pack of them from the HD big box store. One was bad right > out of the pack. > > I'm not thrilled with them. > > Terry. > Article: 332309 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <8h6532hc1dgp8i7vkn342al49em6lel0a8@4ax.com> Subject: Re: antenna wire for table tops - how long? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:19:27 -0400 "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:8h6532hc1dgp8i7vkn342al49em6lel0a8@4ax.com... > How long should an antenna wire be for a tabletop radio. You know, the > kind designed for a single wire hanging out the back. If the schematic > doesn't specify how long it should be, and the original is gone or > broken off, what length would be best? > > Is there a way to determine the best length wire for a particular > radio? > > Would single strand or multi-strand be better for an antenna? > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Wire type will make little difference. Stranded, solid, insulated or not makes little difference; mechanical strength is important. What is best is to have the antenna run outside, to reduce electrical noise from appliances, and to have it run as long and as high as possible. 30 to 50 feet should be ideal for most sets. Longer won't hurt.. A good ground connection (ground rod, etc.) is actually one half of the "single wire" antenna, so don't forget to include it. Pete Article: 332310 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <1i5Yf.8485$nA3.1144@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <2747-44312C36-636@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:56:38 GMT And I was making the same point in my original post - that the same failures could strike series sets as transformer ones. Yes, I meant electrolytics too. I guess neither of us was making things clear. Ray "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message news:2747-44312C36-636@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net... > From 'Rune': > >>There were many failures of resistors >>and capacitors in new sets in the 40s. If >>you have old Sams folders there were >>constant letters in them about new sets >>with bad resistors and caps, both paper >>and lytic. > > Very true, and were mostly covered by warranty. But once a set made it > past warranty into its expected 'service life', the great bulk of > failures would most llikely be tubes, followed closely by electrolytics, > which could go south at any time. > *Routine* failures of resistors and paper caps wouldn't > come until 'way past the 'service life', and tube failures rare. That's > the point i wuz tryin' to make. > oc > Article: 332311 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: antenna wire for table tops - how long? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:08:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1235a1djuum4o20@corp.supernews.com> References: <8h6532hc1dgp8i7vkn342al49em6lel0a8@4ax.com> Blacksmith wrote: > > Thanks, but I meant the antennae used on the radios that originally > came with the radio. No loop antenna attached to the back of the > radio, just a wire coming out through a grommet in the chassis or > through the back of the radio. The wire had to be a specific length > coming from the factory. You know the kind - I see them sometimes > rolled up on a cardboard behing the radio. I have a photo of a NOS "hank" antenna and it says on the package 25 feet. -Bill Article: 332312 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Why use second harmonic? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:12:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1235a8jf22eqf8f@corp.supernews.com> References: Blacksmith wrote: > Looking at the directions for aligning a Philco 37-602 I see they > suggest using a Philco Model 088 Signal Generator. It says this > instrument is designed to range from 110 to 20,000 K.C.. > > Yet, When using it to adjust the R.F., it says to "set signal > generator at 900 K.C. (using second harmonic (1800 K.C.)". > > If the Philco generator is capable of 110 to 20,000 K.C., why not just > use 900 K.C.???? The question is why not just use 1800 kc because thats the frequency they are requiring. I'm not sure why. Maybe the dial can be expected to be more accurate at 900? -Bill Article: 332313 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:28:19 GMT You can't "copyright" common words or combinations of them that do not amount to a unique creation. You can "trademark" phrases - "Have breakfast with the King", "I'm lovin' it." for _specific_ uses. Only uses that could cause consumer confusion are prohibited. Another chain restaurant could not use the same slogan. You can trademark certain names under certain limited conditions. Unique ones, ones used on a limited category of products, etc. You can not trademark "Dave" or "Dave's" for a broad purpose, just for specified products. "Dave's Peanut Butter" does not allow you to go after "Dave's Diner". You can't broadly trademark common names. Many years ago DC comics' legal department sent out cease and desist letters to people named "Clark Kent". They got handed their heads. The name predated the creation of Superman and one respondent was old enough to countersue for their use of HIS name since he had prior proof of ownership (birth records). All that DC's trademark prevented was the use of the name by competitors. "Beautiful" and "Working" can't be "copyrighted" but eBay is idiotic about everything and has been known to pull auctions for stupid complaints. That's why many auctions include "Attention EBAY!" notices. A recent example is enlightening. A seller had his auction pulled for a policy violation complaint. The auction was for a fake fur zebra-pattern rug, clearly listed as such. Some idiot reported it as an auction offering an "endangered species". Not only are common zebras NOT on the endangered species list, but the item was synthetic and clearly stated as such in the title. EBay cancelled it anyway. It's on their discussion boards now. If you don't want to deal with the idiot (either eBay or the loon who thinks he owns part of the language) just change it to "Working, beautiful" or "Beautiful and working" or add an "Attention EBAY!" like so many others have had to. Ray "Dave Burson" wrote in message news:NjdYf.11344$tN3.2575@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > From listing # 6619279068: > > Q: PLease chnage your title, the words -Beautiful, working- as it > refers to an antique radio is copyrighted by me. Ebay has honored my > requests for removal in the past, please change it now and avoid the > problem, or I will report you. I apreciate your cooperation. Thanks. > > A: This will be changed as I was not aware of the coypright. I will > leave off the word working. I regret the error and had no idea this was a > copyright. RS > > > > If this isn't a joke the implications are staggering. > Article: 332314 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: antenna wire for table tops - how long? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:21:47 -0700 Message-ID: <22987-4432AB2B-72@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Blacksmith: >The wire had to be a specific length >coming from the factory. You know the >kind - I see them sometimes rolled up on >a cardboard behing the radio. The length of the wire is not critical, since at best it's only a fraction of a wavelength at BCB frequencies anyway (think auto radio antenna). But longer is better simply for more 'capture area'. As Pete said, the higher the better, and as far from noise sources as possible. Bill(oc) Article: 332315 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <1144099892.959154.322020@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:39:37 GMT Believe it or not, there is an ongoing case right now about people using a trademarked name. No, not Zenith, although they could go after people who use their logo and make clocks and such with their graphics. The Union Pacific Railroad is going after anyone using its name and markings, even photos of its trains. They have issued cease and desist orders to toy and model train makers, calendar makers, and such. They demand a licensing fee for all uses now. The name is disappearing as existing stocks run out. In the past railroads considered such things as free advertising and goodwill builders. UP has made this a first. Bad public relations? Certainly. They aren't dumb enough to go after people just using the name as a description or subject. I wonder what eBay would do if someone started complaining about every trademarked name used or shown on their site. Maybe they need to be taught a lesson about knee-jerk responses. Assuming it's even possible for them to learn... Ray "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1144099892.959154.322020@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Pure nonsense. I'd say show me proof that my wording infringes on your > alleged copyright. For that matter, show me proof you have absolute > control over the words "beautiful" and "working" relative to selling a > radio. If the seller deliberately played on some aspect of the business > name or brand in order to confuse potential buyers, then there might be > a claim. What's next? Banning sellers of Zenith radios from saying > "Zenith" in the title or description because it's a trademark > infringement? Cease and desist or pay royalty fees! > I'd argue that "beautiful" and "working" are simply common descriptions > applied to a variety of objects and unless there's a deliberate effort > to word the description to confuse bidders (which DOES happen), I > wouldn't worry about it. I don't see a problem in 6619279068. If in > doubt, use the comma like Jim suggested. How about changing the order > to say "working" "beautiful"? beautific? > Article: 332316 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Message-ID: <0lyYf.16561$x97.12848@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:49:48 GMT Go to the Discussion Groups on eBay and post this under the policy category. One of the eBay "pinks" may see it and warn the idiot to stop. Add the info you got here about copyrights and trademarks. Embarrassing the seller and/or eBay is the only way to stop this idiocy. Point out the can of worms such behavior could open for them. Every description and brand name could suddenly become a problem. It's not like you had a similar seller or shop name. It's total BS. Ray "Dave Burson" wrote in message news:NjdYf.11344$tN3.2575@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > From listing # 6619279068: > > Q: PLease chnage your title, the words -Beautiful, working- as it > refers to an antique radio is copyrighted by me. Ebay has honored my > requests for removal in the past, please change it now and avoid the > problem, or I will report you. I apreciate your cooperation. Thanks. > > A: This will be changed as I was not aware of the coypright. I will > leave off the word working. I regret the error and had no idea this was a > copyright. RS > > > > If this isn't a joke the implications are staggering. > Article: 332317 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: Subject: Re: 450 v. or 160 v? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:58:46 GMT I ran into this with a Pilot of similar vintage. A little research found that the identical circuit (different rectifier and filament voltages, of course) and chassis was used on both a series and a transformer set, with appropriate wiring differences. The same parts were used in both, probably because they had them on hand and it was simpler than going out and getting different filter caps for one model. I used 160V caps and it's fine. I have also run into it with other sets of that vintage. It seems to be common with mid-scale models of the period. Ray "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:rcq232dc88gdikbcuenbb0u5aci8kfa94o@4ax.com... > I'm working on a Philco 37-602 that has those wax filled blocks with > the capacitors built into them. I'm in the process of putting new > filter caps in, (not in the blocks, but in the chassis), and I > remember when I did the Philco console and melted out all 13 blocks I > had to use 450 v filter caps. > > This radio uses similar tar blocks, and the schematic doesn't specify > the votage for the caps. Can I use 160v. caps in this one? > > Was the reason for the higher voltage caps in the console because it > used a transformer? > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 332318 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Korting radio STEREO= SE ? MONO =PP ? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:05:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1235dbi6a3sui05@corp.supernews.com> References: <1144083895.103293.151740@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <443161d4.28798069@news.demon.co.uk> <1144089351.209503.165920@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1144090221.420872.32100@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1144092244.559805.304120@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144094331.527767.316650@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144102126.313502.245650@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144112255.380953.248630@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1144118629.776130.123760@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1144120099.892899.137850@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1144172055.529815.256960@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Savy wrote: > I wanna turn this old guitar amp into a radio ! > > Any objections ? > > LoL > > ok... I'll leave you guys alone. > > Thanks for the candor. > > Peace always, > savy > Glad you have a sense of humour. A fella once asked on one of the radio forums which old 1920s radio cabinet would be recommended to make a cigar humidor out of. It didn't go over very well. At least you weren't trying to sell 'us' a nice old radio that you painted up in "shabby chic" motif. That brings out the worst in radio people! -Bill Article: 332319 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <8h6532hc1dgp8i7vkn342al49em6lel0a8@4ax.com> Subject: Re: antenna wire for table tops - how long? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:09:52 GMT I have a few here and the length seems to run 12 or 15 feet on average. I do have one with over 20 feet and another with just 8 but I believe it was cut. Ray "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:eb8532ptr3tvglibkmd3pcaouf3q16lb7u@4ax.com... > On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:19:27 -0400, " Uncle Peter" > wrote: > >> >>"Blacksmith" wrote in message >>news:8h6532hc1dgp8i7vkn342al49em6lel0a8@4ax.com... >>> How long should an antenna wire be for a tabletop radio. You know, the >>> kind designed for a single wire hanging out the back. If the schematic >>> doesn't specify how long it should be, and the original is gone or >>> broken off, what length would be best? >>> >>> Is there a way to determine the best length wire for a particular >>> radio? >>> >>> Would single strand or multi-strand be better for an antenna? >>> Blacksmith >>> wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom >> >>Wire type will make little difference. Stranded, solid, insulated >>or not makes little difference; mechanical strength is important. >> >>What is best is to have the antenna run outside, to >>reduce electrical noise from appliances, and to have >>it run as long and as high as possible. >>30 to 50 feet should be ideal for most sets. Longer >>won't hurt.. >> >>A good ground connection (ground rod, etc.) is actually >>one half of the "single wire" antenna, so don't forget >>to include it. >> >>Peter > > Thanks, but I meant the antennae used on the radios that originally > came with the radio. No loop antenna attached to the back of the > radio, just a wire coming out through a grommet in the chassis or > through the back of the radio. The wire had to be a specific length > coming from the factory. You know the kind - I see them sometimes > rolled up on a cardboard behing the radio. > > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 332320 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Why use second harmonic? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:27:23 -0700 Message-ID: <2807-4432BA8B-471@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Blacksmith: >Yet, When using it to adjust the R.F., it >says to "set signal generator at 900 K.C. >(using second harmonic (1800 K.C.)". > >What am I missing here? Just a SWAG, but is it possible that particular genny has poor attenuation? If so, using the 2nd harmonic mighta given better attenuation, making peaking the RF easier. Does the attenuation go all the way down to zero output? Bill(oc) Article: 332321 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Teletalk Intercoms Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:56:35 -0400 Anyone here restore old intercoms? I have a set, in great shape, but no documentation. Total weight is 36 pounds from zip 24018. Asking $25 for all plus shipping. Pics on binaries. Ken Article: 332322 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Teletalk Intercoms References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:59:54 -0400 email is wklw at cox dot net. Ken Ken wrote: > Anyone here restore old intercoms? I have a set, in great shape, but no > documentation. Total weight is 36 pounds from zip 24018. Asking $25 for > all plus shipping. Pics on binaries. Ken > Article: 332323 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <2807-4432BA8B-471@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Why use second harmonic? Message-ID: <5PzYf.11173$FD4.2540@dukeread07> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:30:05 -0400 " > > Just a SWAG, but is it possible that particular genny has poor > attenuation? If so, using the 2nd harmonic mighta given better > attenuation, making peaking the RF easier. > Does the attenuation go all the way down to zero > output? > Bill(oc) > good guess, Bill. That didn't occur to me. The really odd Philco alignment is on the 16B, where they add a big padder to pull the LO to 1/2 frequency to avoid osc. pulling while peaking the RF stage--that one throws everyone who attempts to align one of those beasts! Pete Article: 332324 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:41:45 -0700 Message-ID: <2808-4432CBF9-51@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Phil: >-- the sound section *can* make sound, >but where to start? You mean the AF stages are working, right? In that case, the signal loss would be somewhere 'upstream'. >I did some voltage checks, and found 0 >volts on the plates and screens of the >sound IF tubes.. Bingo! Getting that voltage back should be the next order of business. >...does this mean messing with RF >oscillator adjustments? NO. The RF osc range is fine if you're able to tune in the picture OK. >Or is there something simpler that I'm >overlooking? Yeah, the loss of B+ on the sound IF strip. Remember, this is a dedicated sound IF strip, not a later intercarrier system (where the 4.5Mhz sound subcarrier is pulled out of the detected video). Bill(oc) Article: 332325 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:11:27 -0700 Message-ID: <2808-4432D2EF-55@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: <2808-4432CBF9-51@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> P.S. Phil, Wasn't it you who several years ago restored an early DuMont with an 'Inductuner'? That'n would tune continuously from Ch 6 right up thru the FM band. That was another example of a set with dedicated sound IF strip, which predated the intercarrier system. oc Article: 332326 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:36:02 -0400 Message-ID: <7d37bb094ebcde5a3ec335195403df89@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: Q: PLease chnage your title, the words -Beautiful, working- as it refers to an antique radio is copyrighted by me. Ebay has honored my ***I promise that the next radio I sell on Ebay will be "beautiful and working!" I hope we can all do the same. The freakin' arrogance of some..... Article: 332327 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Permanent Magnet as a Philco Replacement Speaker? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:52:04 -0400 Message-ID: <8576d04481ffd52606d48fad4596608b@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <1144175845.105098.179750@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I'm missing: - the output transformer - the field coil ***Are you sure the field coil is missing? That's the big thing behind the speaker frame with two heavy wires coming out. It's very easy to replace the speaker with a PM speaker; my "bench" speaker is the PM type with a cheap choke screwed to it, and a universal $35 audio xfmr that can be used in single ended or push-pull radios. 4 pairs of Anderson PowerPole connectors (and 4 pin plug/cable for big Philco's) allow me to configure it for any output config- I just check my notes. A 10 watt transformer (RadioDaze HX1609, $34.62) will do very well; a 3 Henry/100mA choke (RadioDaze HC156M, $9.50) will work well for your possibly missing choke. No, I don't work for RadioDaze but like their products, delivery, and prices. Pete O AI2V Article: 332328 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: BillJ Subject: Re: Permanent Magnet as a Philco Replacement Speaker? References: <1144175845.105098.179750@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <8576d04481ffd52606d48fad4596608b@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1144184836.813083.124030@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:32:43 -0400 Geoff wrote: > The speaker is totally missing so the transformer that is usually > mounted to the speaker frame is missing as well. I'm familiar with > RadioDaze and will check them out. > > So basically (referring to the schematic) the green and white wires > will be connected to the primary of the universal output transformer > and the secondary wires will connect to the choke which will be in > series with the speaker? > > Since I am not subbing in resistors do I need to be concerned with > bumping up the capacitance of the filters? > > Geoff > > > Pete_O wrote: > >>I'm missing: >> >>- the output transformer >>- the field coil >> >>***Are you sure the field coil is missing? That's the big thing behind the >>speaker frame with two heavy wires coming out. >> >>It's very easy to replace the speaker with a PM speaker; my "bench" >>speaker is the PM type with a cheap choke screwed to it, and a universal >>$35 audio xfmr that can be used in single ended or push-pull radios. 4 >>pairs of Anderson PowerPole connectors (and 4 pin plug/cable for big >>Philco's) allow me to configure it for any output config- I just check my >>notes. >> >>A 10 watt transformer (RadioDaze HX1609, $34.62) will do very well; a 3 >>Henry/100mA choke (RadioDaze HC156M, $9.50) will work well for your >>possibly missing choke. No, I don't work for RadioDaze but like their >>products, delivery, and prices. Pete O AI2V > > No, the choke becomes just part of the power supply filter circuit. It is not in series with the speaker (voice coil). The speaker would connect to the secondary of the audio output transformer. Article: 332329 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:43:55 +0900 Message-ID: References: "Rune" wrote in message news:T0yYf.8561$nA3.3313@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com... > You can't "copyright" common words or combinations of them that do not > amount to a unique creation. Which greedy cell phone company copyrighted the phrase "Push to Talk", which has only been on every walkie talkie and most intercoms for the past 60 years??? Article: 332330 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:39:26 -0700 Message-ID: <27721-4432E78E-77@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Phil: >It would be easier if I could make >powered-up tests under the chassis >without building a support bracket for the >CRT... Well, since the immediate task is just to find what's killing B+ to that sound IF strip, seems like you oughta be able to power the chassis with the hor sweep disabled (by pulling the HO tube for instance). Bet it's an open resistor, possibly caused by a shorted bypass cap. oc Article: 332331 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <7d37bb094ebcde5a3ec335195403df89@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:48:29 -0400 "Pete_O" wrote in message news:7d37bb094ebcde5a3ec335195403df89@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > Q: PLease chnage your title, the words -Beautiful, working- as it refers > to an antique radio is copyrighted by me. Ebay has honored my > > ***I promise that the next radio I sell on Ebay will be "beautiful and > working!" I hope we can all do the same. > > The freakin' arrogance of some..... > Beautiful and working may not trip the alarm as much as beautiful, working. I think he also copyrighted the coma. Pete Article: 332332 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Permanent Magnet as a Philco Replacement Speaker? References: <1144175845.105098.179750@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <8576d04481ffd52606d48fad4596608b@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1144184836.813083.124030@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:40:38 GMT The only problem is most chokes are only a couple hundred ohms and most field coils are 1000 to 1500 ohms dc resistance. If you don't add a resistor your B+ will be on the high side. BillJ wrote: > Geoff wrote: >> The speaker is totally missing so the transformer that is usually >> mounted to the speaker frame is missing as well. I'm familiar with >> RadioDaze and will check them out. >> >> So basically (referring to the schematic) the green and white wires >> will be connected to the primary of the universal output transformer >> and the secondary wires will connect to the choke which will be in >> series with the speaker? >> >> Since I am not subbing in resistors do I need to be concerned with >> bumping up the capacitance of the filters? >> >> Geoff >> >> >> Pete_O wrote: >> >>> I'm missing: >>> >>> - the output transformer >>> - the field coil >>> >>> ***Are you sure the field coil is missing? That's the big thing >>> behind the >>> speaker frame with two heavy wires coming out. >>> >>> It's very easy to replace the speaker with a PM speaker; my "bench" >>> speaker is the PM type with a cheap choke screwed to it, and a universal >>> $35 audio xfmr that can be used in single ended or push-pull radios. 4 >>> pairs of Anderson PowerPole connectors (and 4 pin plug/cable for big >>> Philco's) allow me to configure it for any output config- I just >>> check my >>> notes. >>> >>> A 10 watt transformer (RadioDaze HX1609, $34.62) will do very well; a 3 >>> Henry/100mA choke (RadioDaze HC156M, $9.50) will work well for your >>> possibly missing choke. No, I don't work for RadioDaze but like their >>> products, delivery, and prices. Pete O AI2V >> >> > No, the choke becomes just part of the power supply filter circuit. It > is not in series with the speaker (voice coil). The speaker would > connect to the secondary of the audio output transformer. Article: 332333 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: 450 v. or 160 v? References: <123362lccb8cq0b@corp.supernews.com> <1233ihkb0bq4q08@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:45:35 -0400 Blacksmith wrote: > On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:33:40 +0900, "Brenda Ann" > wrote: > > >>"Blacksmith" wrote in message >>news:g5p4325o9ke50pile21q9rnd1b1dtbi70j@4ax.com... >> >>>There are no voltages on the schematic, only resistance, and part >>>numbers and prices (a lot of help). >>> >>>Is there another place to look, or can one tell by looking the tube up >>>in a Recieving Tube Manual and checking the max voltage there? >> >>What's your tube lineup? >> >> > > I found voltages printed on the second page that I didn't know > existed. > > 6A8G, 6K7G, 6Q7G, 25A6G, 25Z6G > > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Unless the 25Z6 is wired up as a voltage doubler, this is a half wave rectifier. Look under the chassis or pull the 25z6 (with the set unplugged!) and check the connections between pins 8 and 4 and also between 3 and 5. IF these are connected together you have a half wave circuit and the 160 volt caps are fine. Article: 332334 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Permanent Magnet as a Philco Replacement Speaker? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:55:55 -0400 Message-ID: <12361sertegur02@corp.supernews.com> References: <1144175845.105098.179750@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <8576d04481ffd52606d48fad4596608b@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1144184836.813083.124030@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1144192809.537725.33160@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Geoff wrote: > My Field Coil is 660 ohms. I did a search trying to find higher ohm > field coils but came up empty. I wonder why they don't make them > anymore. > > Geoff > Not cost effective. In those days a big coil was cheaper than higher value filter caps. Nowadays its just the opposite. The field coil can be replaced with a resistor in most pi type filters if the cap values are bumped up to approx double the original value. The gotcha is that the surge rating of the rectifier tube has to be able to handle the increased capacitance...and its usually is capable if the original caps were something like 8 or 16 mf. -Bill Article: 332335 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Speaker wire hook up on the Philco 38-8 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:35:58 -0400 Message-ID: <123647ho16qd2e6@corp.supernews.com> References: <1144196134.745262.128150@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> boggie531@yahoo.com wrote: > Anybody know where the plate grid and B+ line hooks to on the three > terminals on the speaker? Got a picture? > Failing to find a picture, the easiest (and probably surest) way would be to trace the wires. There's only three of them :) One going into the field coil will go to the output of the rectifier, one going to the af transformer will go to the audio tube plate. The third will be a common jct between the field coil and af xfmr and will be connected to the screen of the AF tube. This is electrically speaking. Physical wiring layout may go by a less than direct route to those points but that should be enough to ID the wires. -Bill Article: 332336 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gerald K4NHN" Subject: Horn Diaphragm Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:51:54 GMT I'm in need of a 2-11/16" diaphragm for a horn that I'm working on. It's a RCA UZ-1325 Does anyone know where I can purchase one. Gerald K4NHN Cayce, SC Article: 332337 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:00:42 -0700 Message-ID: <27721-443316BA-78@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Phil: >Same behavior as before, in other >words, but at least I confirmed that the >sound strip has B+. Sunnavugun. So it had B+ all along, looks like. I *was* more than a little perplexed as to how you were able to get an FM station and some junky TV sound with no B+ on the strip. >...could the fault be in my trusty old >Pomona tube extender? Looks like a prime suspect. :-) >The search continues . . . Looks like alignment issues now. One question, though - by any chance is there a small electrolytic somewhere in the middle of the 6AL5 detector circuitry? The schematic comes thru too blurry to tell. oc Article: 332338 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:19:11 -0400 Message-ID: <12366oiqai2l244@corp.supernews.com> References: <7d37bb094ebcde5a3ec335195403df89@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1144190563.850629.262580@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144197418.537847.208110@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> njengineer@hotmail.com wrote: > might be okay. I don't think "beautiful, working" is a commonly > established combination of words in speech, unless you want to gain the > benefits of the brand you are trying to imitate, and in this case, this > brand may offer a premium over others, I don't know. > > Thanks for the forum to voice, > > Nate J. First, let me say that I still think someone was yanking the seller's chain as an Apr 1 gag...and two, Igor participates on one of the other Forums and usually comes out to defend himself when people start slinging s**t his way, and three he never has seemed like the type of guy who would be such a pedantic ass. That out of the way. "Copyright" has a very broad definition these days when it comes to exchange of information, etc. In some legal senses I could claim against Google or anyone who quotes this text but its clear that the extenuating circumstances surrounding my posting on Usenet are more than ample to make that a laughable case. I think the same logic would apply to simple use of common wording of ads on ebay. "Trademark" is a different ball-o-wax. If a guy were to trademark his website name, or his eBay Store name, then sure, there would be implications if someone tried to use that same NAME for their purposes. On the other hand that would not preclude anyone from simply using those words in an ordinary fashion - otherwise the entire English lexicon would be rendered untouchable! This has been beaten to death over the years. There's an AAAA Plumbing in every phone book in the country but there's nothing to suggest that a new plumber is prohibited from using either AAAA or Plumbing in his business name. If he attempts to emulate an existing local AAAA Plumbing then he might have some 'splainin to do. We've heard about outfits like McDonalds trying to shut down some little guy who just so happened to be named McDonalds and had a burger joint. Even though its likely a Apr Fools Gag, it makes for an interesting discussion topic. I think (know) that I could legitimately create AND TRADEMARK an ebay store with the name Bill's Old Radios and have the law on my side should any infringements occur. What I can't do is claim 'copyright' privileges to common words or phrases just because I want to. -Bill Article: 332339 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Permanent Magnet as a Philco Replacement Speaker? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:13:24 -0700 Message-ID: <27720-443319B4-637@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> References: <12361sertegur02@corp.supernews.com> >From Geoff: >I did a search trying to find higher ohm >field coils but came up empty. I wonder >why they don't make them anymore. Field coils were phased out with the appearance of efficient alnico v magnets. Also around that same time, cheaper, higher value electrolytics became available, as 'exray' mentioned. Bill(oc) Article: 332340 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" References: <5Kidnad-4dKj8a_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1144159493.691817.219470@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How about an antique light bulb Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:39:48 -0700 Ive got a couple in the garage door opener (incan's only lasted about 3 months there) and in a ceiling fan in the living room, directly under the second story landing pad in my son's room. I think he uses that very spot to jump out of bed and man is it loud, thus the name landing pad!!!! shakes the fan when he jumps on his cousins a little too... The fan has had the same bulb for over a year, where as incans were only lasting a month or so!!!! Bob in phx...... "Ken" wrote in message news:PUwYf.9326$9h5.2095@dukeread09... > They're not as bright as advertised, maybe they'll improve. Ken > > Terry S wrote: > >> I put the CF bulbs into a fixture above my kitchen sink that used to >> burn out small floods too quickly (Perhaps vibration from the garbage >> disposal?). The CF bulbs aren't burning out, but the light output from >> them has decreased markedly in about 6 months. If I had to guess I'd >> say they are down at least 25 to 30 %. >> >> I bought a 6 pack of them from the HD big box store. One was bad right >> out of the pack. >> >> I'm not thrilled with them. Terry. >> > Article: 332341 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:33:33 -0700 Message-ID: <22986-44331E6D-583@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: Phil, i've got a silly question. I wouldn't even ask, except i've made the same flub using the Pomona adapter. Is there any chance you were counting the pins going cw instead of ccw? oc Article: 332342 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4433229C.FB04E3C5@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? References: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 01:53:11 GMT njengineer@hotmail.com wrote: > > All, > > I am sure I am in the minority, and if you can put aside envy and > perhaps jealousy, the debate can be shaped and something interesting > result. I don't have a horse in this race and no feelings one way or > the other towards any seller. I am devoid of any anger, so maybe I can > contribute something. > > In my career as an aircraft design engineer, I was a principal inventor > and also a contributor on a number of US patents. Intellectual property > is something worthy of protection, innovation would cease if it > weren't. Like I said, my experience was mainly in patents and not in > copyrighting or trademarking, but it seems to me that this seller has > established a brand with these terms "beautiful, working". I defer to > any expert in these matters (if anyone has specific knowledge here), > however I have my opinion. I do watch ebay and have seen his auctions. > I have also seen alot of other sellers come and go trying attempt to > establish a selling record. Recnetly here in this forum, a thread > pointed out a radio this guy sold last week at some astronomical amount > of money. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-working-1940s-Zenith-wood-radio_W0QQitemZ6613171197QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > I did a search of completed beautiful working. Now look at the > imitation, looks like an echo of the first. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/BEAUTIFUL-WORKING-1940S-WOOD-ZENITH-RADIO_W0QQitemZ6616738109QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Now in patent work, intention to copy (and maybe in the case of words > knowingly copying in an attempt to mislead) brings different > consequences than if no intention or knowledge to infringe was known to > the company/person in violation. You would have to be very naive to > think that these other sellers randomly chose these words from common > language. They were probably trying to take advantage of this branding, > in an attempt to drawn bidders, in part, on slight of hand. Of course > the goods being sold don't seem to be comparable. I think it would be > easy to establish that the first echo had intentions that weren't of a > reputable seller. This guy in this auction that started this thread, > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-1939-Philco-39-7-Radio-Restored-Plays-Fine_W0QQitemZ6619279068QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > isn't necessarily a bad person, but likely chose those words hitching > his wagon to the other brand. > > "beautiful, working" might be protectable under trademarking as it > applies to a particular reference. The number of words obviously > challenges the judgement of such a case, i.e. the use of fewer linked > words might infringe upon elements of common speech (and can't be > protected). In this case, I think it would actually stand up. Just like > in music, the amount of commonality needs to be substantial enough. I > don't know the status of "beautiful, working" in any US Pat off, > copyright or trademark, but other phrases like "Just do it.", "Got > milk", "be happy" (Bobby Mac Pharrin's case in court), "the real > thing", "threepeat" which had been trademarked, contained on average > very few words. If you used "just do it" in something relating to > advertising referencing things other than athletic equipment (Nike), it > might be okay. I don't think "beautiful, working" is a commonly > established combination of words in speech, unless you want to gain the > benefits of the brand you are trying to imitate, and in this case, this > brand may offer a premium over others, I don't know. > > Thanks for the forum to voice, > > Nate J. Can this character prove beyond any shadow of doubt that he was the very first seller to use that term on E-bay? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 332343 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4433241A.2607A47@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV References: <27721-4432E78E-77@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 01:59:33 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > > > What's that old saying -- a workman is only as good as his tools? > > Wasn't it "A poor workman blames his tools"? (I disagree with that.) In some cases it is true: The tools are not suitable for the job at hand, but the "Workman" attempts it anyway. I prefer: "A true craftsman knows his tools, and their limits." That is one reason why I have several different workbenches covered with what is needed to do the job at hand. Pick a job, go the the right bench and use the proper tools and test equipment. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 332344 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: Subject: Re: Horn Diaphragm Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 01:51:33 GMT Gerald, did you find a base? Let me look, I may have what you need. Ron Gerald K4NHN wrote in message news:KwEYf.3078$i41.377@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > I'm in need of a 2-11/16" diaphragm for a horn that I'm working on. It's a > RCA UZ-1325 > Does anyone know where I can purchase one. > > Gerald K4NHN > Cayce, SC > > Article: 332345 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:04:32 -0400 Message-ID: <12369die6gi4n12@corp.supernews.com> References: <7d37bb094ebcde5a3ec335195403df89@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1144190563.850629.262580@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144197418.537847.208110@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4433229C.FB04E3C5@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Can this character prove beyond any shadow of doubt that he was the > very first seller to use that term on E-bay? Wouldn't matter if he did. That alone wouldn't give him any special authority. If you want to trademark something then you do the rote and trademark it. You can't apply copyright law, as loose as it may be, to something like this. -Bill Article: 332346 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Once Owned by Al Jolson Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:52:52 -0600 Message-ID: <21351-443322F4-1606@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> References: <122gdh85ntmip5c@corp.supernews.com> That would sell just fine around here Article: 332347 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gerald K4NHN" References: <1144199401.710165.38210@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Horn Diaphragm Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 02:08:42 GMT It's a metal disc like what's used in old head phones. Just a little larger in size. A few thousands thick... "Steven" wrote in message news:1144199401.710165.38210@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > What kind of diapragm does it use? Will a modern hi-fi diaphragm lend > itself to use or is this a natural material? > > No, I actually wonder. > Article: 332348 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gerald K4NHN" References: Subject: Re: Horn Diaphragm Message-ID: <8MFYf.77$sq5.35@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 02:16:36 GMT Hi Ron I purchased one in Charlotte, Not the best horn though. The base is the metal one and has a lot of rust pits and almost through on the side, but something to work with. The diaphragm has several rusted hole through it so you know the shape it's in. Gerald K4NHN " Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:FoFYf.56564$915.11076@southeast.rr.com... > Gerald, did you find a base? > Let me look, I may have what you need. > > Ron > > > Gerald K4NHN wrote in message > news:KwEYf.3078$i41.377@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... >> I'm in need of a 2-11/16" diaphragm for a horn that I'm working on. It's >> a >> RCA UZ-1325 >> Does anyone know where I can purchase one. >> >> Gerald K4NHN >> Cayce, SC >> >> > > Article: 332349 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: GE E-62 table radio From: lherault@bu.edu Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 02:19:09 GMT Hi gang, I was just given this radio, a GE E-62. The cabinet seems to be in very nice condition (I don't know much about old radios in general and this one in particular- I collect antique phonographs mostly). I'm going to give the electronics to a retired repairman to check out and repair if necessary. One of the tubes seems to get awfully hot but the radio does get a few stations if I hold on to the remnants of (what I think is) the antenna wire. I was wondering if anyone here has one of these and could provide a good picture of the front so that I could see what decals I need to get. The lettering is pretty well gone on this one. Any recommendations on the source for decals? There are two wires out the back. One is the antenna, I imagine. Should the other to to ground? If I put up a long wire antenna outside, do I put one end of the antenna to ground? There is a threaded lug in the back of the set. What is it for? Near to this lug are two little holes in the chassis that look almost like little jacks. What are they for? I believe the radio is from 1936. Is this correct? Would it have had a back originally? This one is open. Is this an AM/short wave set? Thanks for your help. Ron L Article: 332350 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: GE E-62 table radio Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:11:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1236dajgjbko743@corp.supernews.com> References: lherault@bu.edu wrote: > Hi gang, > > I was just given this radio, a GE E-62. The cabinet seems to be in very > nice condition (I don't know much about old radios in general and this one > in particular- I collect antique phonographs mostly). I'm going to give the > electronics to a retired repairman to check out and repair if necessary. > One of the tubes seems to get awfully hot but the radio does get a few > stations if I hold on to the remnants of (what I think is) the antenna wire. > I was wondering if anyone here has one of these and could provide a good > picture of the front so that I could see what decals I need to get. The > lettering is pretty well gone on this one. Any recommendations on the > source for decals? > > There are two wires out the back. One is the antenna, I imagine. Should the > other to to ground? If I put up a long wire antenna outside, do I put one > end of the antenna to ground? > > There is a threaded lug in the back of the set. What is it for? Near to > this lug are two little holes in the chassis that look almost like little > jacks. What are they for? > > I believe the radio is from 1936. Is this correct? Would it have had a > back originally? This one is open. Is this an AM/short wave set? > > Thanks for your help. > > Ron L here's the schematic and service info: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/779/M0007779.pdf The Radio Attic archives may have a photo...and if you need decals Rock Sea Enterprises would be the first, if not only, choice. Comments...the rectifier and/or audio tube could be expected to get very hot. The amount of "very hot" is hard to quantify but if you are running the thing with original caps the current draw (heat) may be excessive due to leakage, etc....power transformer will not be happy with that in that era of GE. It does have a shortwave band. The lug on the chassis would be a chassis ground (I don't know why) as opposed to the RF ground which is one of the wires. As to how necessary the RF ground is depends on your antenna. The added chassis ground is reminiscent of the old tanker trucks with the trailing strap to the pavement :) Dunno about the back...guessing not. The E in the model number indicates the model year....don't hold me to it but I think 36 corresponds to E. -Bill Article: 332351 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: donlk@webtv.net (Gridleak) Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:22:34 -0600 Message-ID: <24669-443337FA-1673@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> References: how about the realty co. "By owner" DON AC7PD Article: 332352 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Are all series-string radios & TVs junky by definition? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:50:16 -0700 Message-ID: References: Phil Nelson wrote: > > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/Scott_SLRM_Ad.jpg > > I coveted one after spotting one in the galley of a restored submarine out > East (Philadelphia?). They are not too hard to find. I have seen a few at > swaps, but passed on them after discovering how much they weigh. Someone > told me it's also advisable to operate with the chassis slipped out of the > cabinet a little way, to improve ventilation. The unit depicted in the ad is an RBO. It may be the heaviest morale radio ever made, and one of the most bulletproof. If you ever get one, remove it from the cabinet and carry the radio and cabinet seperately. Together they are too heavy for one person to safely lift. The RBO is pretty cool. It has seperate dial lamps for each band, and a multi-colored slide-rule dial-a bit of a departure from the usual very conservative boatanchor styling. Performance is excellent on AM BC, passable on shortwave. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 332353 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Rescue Scott 800B in New York Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:06:54 -0700 Message-ID: References: Phil Nelson wrote: > See email below. Anyone who's interested in following up, contact me via > http://antiqueradio.org/contact.htm and I'll forward your email to the > sender. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:11 PM > Subject: What to do with a Scott 800B6 > > > Hi Phil, > I found your website via google. > > Here is my situation. My mother is moving and has a large Scott 800B6 > console radio/turntable in her basement in a huge black cabinet. I > have no idea what to do with it. I don't want it. Radios are not my > thing and I don't have the space for it anyway. If nothing is done, it > is going to be hauled off with the other large 'junk' from the house in > the next few months. > > I powered it up last week, and the green lights came on, as well as some > behind the buttons. Some tubes on the bottom half started glowing (one > was blue, how cool!). Some didn't. Nothing burned, but in the end, I > got no sound. It did play (on AM) within the last 5 or 6 years, so the > final 'silence' is not that long. Might even be lack of antenna. The > little green light didn't really do much as I moved the tuning knob > around. Mechanical presets work, but sometimes were jittery. The > turntable spun, again no sound. I used to play records on it in the > 1980s. I don't think I ever heard it play anything other than AM or a > record. > > So, whats the deal with the 800B6? You have at least 2, so I guess they > are not complete junk. Would it be a great loss to the vintage-radio > community if another 800B6 end up in a landfill? Or am I one of many of > people trying to get rid of one? I don't want it. I'm not looking to > make any money off it. I also don't want to get killed trying to move > it out of the house for that matter. It just seems like such a shame > to toss such a substantial piece of American hardware. On the other > hand, I live a few hours away from the 800b, and it will probably take a > weekend to go there, remove everything from the cabinet so I have a > chance if getting it all upstairs, then bring it home and reverse the > procedure in hope that someday I can get it to someone who might > appreciate it. > > I've checked ebay for some sales history, but they only go back 2 weeks, > and all I see is 2 people trying to get way too much money for what > looks like only part of an 800b. I've tried google, but I just haven't > found much beyond your site. > > So, I guess I'm just looking for some information from you about how > much effort on my part it is worth. If you want it, let me know. Its > in New York. > Somebody in the New York area needs to rescue this thing. The 800B is not a rare item, but it would be tragic to see a fine quality set like this go to scrap. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 332354 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:40:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1236ii4m9gp326@corp.supernews.com> References: <24669-443337FA-1673@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> Gridleak wrote: > how about the realty co. "By owner" > > DON > AC7PD > I'll take that bait since I have been there and done that. First off, "realtor" IS a trademarked definition and consequently carries with it some distinct definitions. I'm not sure how a realty "company" is defined but at first blush they are not always the same. I sold a house a while back. The broker was indeed a legitimate "realtor" in the professional organization definition of the word. There were things that I HAD to fix to meet their terms. Had I not done so the onus was on me rather than them for any representations that the buyer might later cry about. If I chose not to do the necessaries - they weren't selling the house, rather it was me as a "by owner" definition and any disclosure obligations (required by many states) were my ass instead of their's. They only served as a broker in the transaction. Article: 332355 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: antenna wire for table tops - how long? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:57:57 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8h6532hc1dgp8i7vkn342al49em6lel0a8@4ax.com> On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:19:27 -0400, Uncle Peter wrote: > > "Blacksmith" wrote in message > news:8h6532hc1dgp8i7vkn342al49em6lel0a8@4ax.com... >> How long should an antenna wire be for a tabletop radio. You know, the >> kind designed for a single wire hanging out the back. If the schematic >> doesn't specify how long it should be, and the original is gone or >> broken off, what length would be best? >> >> Is there a way to determine the best length wire for a particular >> radio? >> >> Would single strand or multi-strand be better for an antenna? >> Blacksmith >> wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom > > Wire type will make little difference. Stranded, solid, insulated > or not makes little difference; mechanical strength is important. > > What is best is to have the antenna run outside, to > reduce electrical noise from appliances, and to have > it run as long and as high as possible. > 30 to 50 feet should be ideal for most sets. Longer > won't hurt.. > > A good ground connection (ground rod, etc.) is actually > one half of the "single wire" antenna, so don't forget > to include it. > > Pete Since this is an indoor antenna, use insulated, stranded wire. It won't make any difference to the radio what kind of wire you use, but stranded wire will withstand repeated bending and moving better than solid and insulated looks better than bare. It also keeps the strands together. The only way insulated would be better electrically is if there were some place that it would touch some other metal. If your radio doesn't have a ground terminal, don't connect a ground, especially if it's a transformerless set. They get their ground connection through the power cord. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 332356 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:22:58 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:51:17 -0700, Phil Nelson wrote: > The sound is way off on my 630TS television. On stations with a good picture > (i.e., 4 & 5), there's no sound at all when fine-tuned for best picture. > There's no channel 6 here, and when tuned to channel 6 on the TV, I can > bring in FM radio 89.5 with good fidelity and volume. > > I posted the schematic at these URLs for anyone who wants to follow along at > home. > > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/RCA630TSSchematic1.gif > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/RCA630TSSchematic2.gif > > I did some voltage checks, and found 0 volts on the plates and screens of > the sound IF tubes (V104, V105, V106), which seems puzzling. They are on the > 135-volt line, and the power supply is indeed putting out ~135 volts. > > Anyhow -- the sound section *can* make sound, but where to start? For > example, does this mean messing with RF oscillator adjustments? Or is there > something simpler that I'm overlooking? > > I'm loath to get into alignment because [A] I've never aligned a TV before > and [B] the chassis provides no support for the heavy/fragile CRT; the > service manual says you need to build a bracket to support the CRT while > standing the chassis up on end to reach all the test/alignment points. > Yeoww! > > Thanks for any hints > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html+ You don't need to build a bracket for the CRT. There are several ways around that. The first is to remove the CRT. Since you have already done that several times, you should be in good practice! TV alignment is usually done with a sweep generator and oscilloscope so you don't need a picture. Be sure to insulate the high voltage connector well or pull the high voltage rectifier. Another way is to get a "test CRT". This is a small CRT that can be supported only by the yoke. The ones made for this purpose were usually about 8". An alternative is to use a surplus 5FP7 radar CRT. The connections are different so you will have to make adapters. It uses magnetic focus but IIRC so does the 630TS so that works out. It doesn't use an ion trap. The neck is smaller than a regular picture tube so it won't sit straight in the yoke. That means that the picture will be off center. It's for test; who cares. A test CRT is also convenient when you have to turn the set over frequently; it's a lot easier to take in and out than a full size picture tube. Good luck, -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 332357 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Rescue Scott 800B in New York Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:00:09 +0900 Message-ID: References: "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:sOOdnVt5mOGD1K7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@giganews.com... >> Somebody in the New York area needs to rescue this thing. The 800B is not >> a rare item, but it would be tragic to see a fine quality set like this >> go to scrap. > > Update. It's located on Long Island. > > Phil Nelson > Too bad Stephanie doesn't have room for something like this... Article: 332358 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Lyndell Scott" References: <24669-443337FA-1673@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:16:28 GMT The name is "Buy Owner" unless there is another realty company with the name "By Owner". "Buy owner" is an unusual combination of words, at least in print, as apposed to "by owner". This may make a difference. -- Lyndell Scott Audio Antiques http://home.flash.net/~lfscott/ Article: 332359 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <24669-443337FA-1673@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:03:35 GMT In article , lfscott@flash.net says... > > A few others that are somewhat misleading SaleByOwnerRealty.com forsalebyowner.com fsbo.com John k9uwa Article: 332360 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:28:50 -0700 Message-ID: <7340-4433C612-1@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: <-6adnY0CfrXZza7ZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> Phil: When you talk about 'alignment' and 'sweep generator' in the same sentence, presumably you're referrin' to aligning the video strip. Indications that it needs vid alignment would include: smearing, ringing, lack of resolution etc. But you've stated that the picture is fine. Since the set uses a dedicated sound IF strip (non-intercarrier), it seems like alignment issues should be confined to the sound IF strip (with the possible exception of the mixer plate coil in the tuner). oc Article: 332361 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4433D110.D46BED6D@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? References: <7d37bb094ebcde5a3ec335195403df89@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1144190563.850629.262580@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144197418.537847.208110@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4433229C.FB04E3C5@earthlink.net> <12369die6gi4n12@corp.supernews.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:16:07 GMT - exray - wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > > > > Can this character prove beyond any shadow of doubt that he was the > > very first seller to use that term on E-bay? > > Wouldn't matter if he did. That alone wouldn't give him any special > authority. > > If you want to trademark something then you do the rote and trademark > it. You can't apply copyright law, as loose as it may be, to something > like this. > > -Bill You missed the point I was making. He has as much chance of proving he used it first as he has of having a right to keep others from using it. ;-) -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 332362 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1144256080.352812.116850@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Unanticipated Loop Message-ID: <5_TYf.11904$FD4.6225@dukeread07> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:27:06 -0400 "Brian" wrote in message news:1144256080.352812.116850@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I > frame. The frame was acting as an RF loop and shunting or detuning the > internal antenna loop in the Philco. It makes me wonder how often > similar effects happen due to wiring in the wall behind a radio. > > Brian > I think you hit it, Brian... A nearby, full shorted loop would couple and screw up the tuned loop's Q and make it lossy as heck. Pete Article: 332363 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: can an eBayer do this? Message-ID: <2898325gd6usr5a2rp0vtebgebkve6eful@4ax.com> References: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:16:11 GMT On a related subject, This is at the bottom of the page on Manilow.com: " Barry Manilow is a registered trademark of Hastings, Clayton & Tucker, Inc. All Rights Reserved." Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 332364 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:29:58 -0400 Speaking of rain at a radio meet, it's something you have to work around. Can you imagine what a mess it would have been for EVERONE to move inside. I would have rather quit. But I can tell you, I sold everything I brought, around 20 items, and most was sold by noon Friday. I'm glad I stayed for the 'rain'. Ken Hagstar wrote: > My Great Aunt Neddie was always trying to run away from living with my > grandfather and walk back to Scranton, Pennsylvania from Florida. SO I > suppose it was fitting that my first day of the two day trip to the > Charlotte, NC AWA Conference with a small load of stuff to sell was cut > short by a surprise repair stop at Scranton Ford. The van had been in the > shop in Vermont for an engine miss that appeared randomly on the way home > from the Nashua, NH meet in January. They gave it new spark plugs and fuel > filter as well as some Drigas and it seemed cured- until the missing > returned fiercely west of Port Jervis, NY and then the "check engine" light > finally came on. > > I didn't make it to camping in south PA as I planned, instead the dogs and I > spent the night at a slightly seedy Econolodge. Next morning after replacing > one of the eight individual ignition coils, $228.00 poorer, we were on our > way down I-81 again. I was fixed by 10 am but I still had 700 miles to > Charlotte. I decided instead to make for a campground near Roanoke, VA about > 150 miles closer for that night. I-81 is a simply GORGEOUS way to slip down > south between all the cities- it runs in a long long saddle between ridges > of the Appalachians. You see almost nothing ugly the whole way- well, maybe > Scranton..... > > The engine miss appeared again in southernmost PA. By this point I wondered > if *anyone* could fix a 2002 E-150 properly. No "check engine" this time > though, so I decided to press on. The van made it with only very occasional > missing though the rest of the trip. An ace mechanic I know now believes > it's likely a sticky vane in the Mass Airflow Sensor that just needs some > CRC Electronic Cleaner. > > The campsite was beautiful, and the next day I worked my way south in a > leisurely manner to see eddie b. in SC just over the border from Charlotte. > We had a great time, I really enjoyed the visit and meeting his family and > pets. Oh, and we looked and talked about some radios and phonos :). My host > traded me a nice Truetone D-724 for a recapped dilapidated Zenith 805 > cathedral and a few other things, and I camped to by the barn with the dogs > in my little RV/radio swap vehicle (it has heat and TV etc.). Eddie has some > very nice pieces including a few quite unusual phonos. > > The weather was fine if cool up to this point, but the next morning at dawn > when I arose for the swap it was raining lightly. I drove to the Sheraton in > Charlotte assuming we'd be under cover for the flea. As explained on the > website in detail the Sheraton and AWA supposedly had a whole plan worked > for foul weather that hadn't yet been needed. Wasn't I surprised when I was > told no, we'd be out in the drizzle all day. > > As a result most good merchandise never came out of seller's vehicles, and > the stuff that did was mostly scary fixer-uppers that clearly had seen rain > before. or nice stuff quickly became fixer-uppers. I didn't dare bring out > my Scott console, and the RCA 262 as it is got a good deal of blush on the > lacquer after sitting under partial cover half the day. I sold all the > junk/fixer-uppers I brought and almost none of the nice stuff I managed to > display in the end of the van under cover. But that's the breaks of late for > me. At least I almost covered my expenses. I found the fee of $55- at the > door for admission and one space in the rain steep. I had to sing Mozart's > "Requiem" that Sunday back in Vermont so I couldn't possibly stay for > Saturday too. So I headed out about noon pretty well soaked and working on a > bad back. > > There was snow the next morning in the Virginia mountains on the new Spring > leaves, but the trip home was otherwise uneventful. At the flea I picked up > an Atwater Kent 558 cathedral that needs grill work and a speaker (that I > have) for $175-, and for $40- a polyblond Truetone 7A that I posted > pictures of earlier. But I'm not sure the drive is worth it for the meet if > the weather is poor, at least I have the visit with eddie to remember > fondly. Thanks again for his gracious hospitality, I finally had real > barbeque and ribs %) > > Sincerely, > John H. > > Article: 332365 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" Subject: CHANGED DATE FOR SPENCER SWAP MEET Message-ID: <7FYYf.56655$915.29769@southeast.rr.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:46:11 GMT CHANGED DATE FOR SPENCER SWAP MEET. Due to a scheduling conflict with the North Carolina Transportation Museum (Spencer Shops), we are forced to change the published date for this years CC-AWA Spring Swap Meet. The NEW date is Saturday May 20th. Yes we know this is the same day as the Dayton Hamfest, there's nothing that can be done about this year. You can find detailed driving directions on the CC-AWA web page at www.cc-awa.org . As always with our Saturday events, admission is FREE, vendor setup is only $5. If you've never attended this event before please understand that these events start early and are all over before 12noon. The park officially opens the gates at 8AM, but folks are usually there by around 7AM. If you sleep late and show up at 10 or 11 all you'll get to see is the early birds packing up and heading home. We're sorry for any confusion this may cause, but this is the only solution at this late date. We look forward to seeing everyone there. Article: 332366 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <1144072687.197582.119080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Annual Spring Post - Unwanted Radio Inhabitants Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:49:42 GMT You didnt mention Carpenter ants! I once had a victrola, it looked perfect but the wall on one side had an ant colony and they started to wake when I brought it inside and warmed it up. Fortunately some Tri tet and a wad of RTV solved the problem. When I wound it up and put a record on it the first thing I heard was the theme to the Pink Panther... Dead ant Deat ant.... Deat ant dead ant dead ant dead ant dead aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant............. Keith "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1144072687.197582.119080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > All: > > It's that time of year again when the sap rises and vintage radio > hunters (apply that 'vintage' any way you like) begin their hunt for > wild radios to capture, bring home and tame. Just beware of unwanted > hitch-hikers. > > Insects & other Arthropods: Wasps, spiders, various beetles and other > vermin often make homes in the nooks and crannies of vintage radios, > especially those stored in barns, sheds, unfinished basements and > attics with relatively open access to the outside. > > Cautionary Notes: > > a) what kills insects often does not kill spiders. What kills either > _can_ kill you. Be careful. > b) there are two spiders that can have fatal bites *commonly* found in > the US: The Brown Recluse and the Black Widow. The Brown Recluse is > found about anywhere south of the Mason Dixon line (and is moving north > with the warmer winters) and actually prefers to hang around human > habitations. The black widow is found pretty much everywhere now in the > continental US, but more-so in warmer areas. They tend to avoid humans, > but will go anywhere where there is quiet and prey... so barns and > sheds and attics qualify. Bees, wasps, centipedes and spiders not > normally seen as 'dangerous' all can sting or bite. Some are allergic. > Note that a Baby Spider can bite too. > c) Vermin that are not normally perceived as being 'radio-related' such > as fleas and deer ticks (Lyme) can also inhabit vintage radios. Fleas > lay eggs off their host most of the time, as do all ticks. And if deer > mice are living in, or have lived in a radio, then these pests will be > there. Ticks can transmit much more than Lyme as well. As can fleas > (but not Lyme). > > Warm-Blooded Vermin: Mice, shrews, bats, etc.: > > Bats are protected species in most US states, usually quite obvious if > in a radio, and if they are roosting in a radio, it will smell to > high-heaven (at least when warm). Bats in some areas are (rarely) > carriers of rabies but should be assumed to be so, especially if you > get close enough to them to know that they are there. Mice carry Hanta > Virus, now endemic throughout the US. Exposure to fresh urine or feces > of either can transmit either disease (See the CDC postings on both). > > Snakes: Sometimes very rarely snakes will live in a radio, or lay eggs > or nest in one, especially if it is a barn or shed radio. Snakes may > remain passive for many hours and show up at the most awkward times... > so DO check under the chassis. Keep in mind that very, very few snakes > are poisonous, and even fewer would tend to hang around where people > hang regularly. But that does not make it any less surprising should > one show up unexpectedly. King Snakes and Corn Snakes lay eggs amongst > others. Garter-snakes, copperhead and rattle-snakes do not. > > So: Quarantine any 'new' radio to your collection until you have > determined that it is free of all vermin, dangerous or otherwise. Use > your nose and eyes to look for evidence of inhabitation, past or > present. Use ordinary common-sense precautions such as gloves and maybe > a mask against dust or dirt. > > Poisons: Use what works. But when in doubt, moth-crystals and heat will > kill most things (but not all eggs) in time. Seal the radio in a > plastic bag with moth crystals and let sit in the sun for a couple of > days. > > DO NOT BE KIND-HEARTED if you find anything alive in a radio. Kill it > and dispose of it properly. Likely whatever it is does not belong where > you are, and should not be 'turned loose' onto an unprepared/unfamiliar > ecosystem. And ecosystems can be as small as a couple-of-miles square > or less, so the 'next county' may as well be the next several states. > > Other Notes: > > Liquid Lysol, Pine-Sol and other similar materials that become cloudy > when mixed with water and/or contain Phenol or Phenolic analogs are > universally dangerous to cats large and small and in any dose at all. > They are very effective as a cleaner/disinfectant/deodorizer, but > more-than-ordinary cautions should be taken if cats are around at any > stage before a unit is fully dry if these cleaners are used. Dogs can > be attracted to strong scents and may inadverently become exposed to > whatever is in the radio... and dogs can (and do) get Lyme, Hanta and > Rocky-Mountain Spotted Fever amongst other things. > > Otherwise, enjoy the season and I hope to see a bunch of you at > Kutztown! > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 332367 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" Subject: Free Wednesday! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:05:51 GMT Hi all, I never have time to do this on friday so here goes! Its raining in NY again and that makes for great Veneer farming! Before I put these cabinets out for a harvest Ill offer them here for anybody who can use them for FREE! but you have to pick them up, I will NOT ship, they are just outside of ALbany NY 1) 1954 RCA TV cabinet, has doors, mahogony with perfect original finish, inlay, nice for color conversion or liquer cabinet. no chassis or speaker 2) Philco 37-610 console, this is the one with the waterfall sides and yes, the veneer is cracked on the curves which is why I dont want to keep it. Comes with a chassis but no knobs or speaker and I think the dial may be iffy. 3) Old Majestic style highboy cabinet, nearly all the legs are cut off , has nice doors but the veneer on top needs replacement. Make nice licquer cabinet too. No chassis or speaker, or inner front panel. Let me know if anything interests anybody. Keith Article: 332368 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1144283410.682648.258640@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Great Radio Station from Wollongong, New South Wales Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:45:27 GMT "Dave" wrote in message news:1144283410.682648.258640@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > >I live in Wollongong and our local radio station is i98 FM at 98.1 MHZ > listen to it at www.i98.com.au and click listen now opens in Media > Player Great station the DJs are hilarious > What has this modern stuff got to do with old radios or phonos Dave? jim menning Article: 332369 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: GE E-62 table radio From: lherault@bu.edu References: <1236dajgjbko743@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:32:21 GMT Thanks, Bill. Article: 332370 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1144164868.701277.51550@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144252996.901919.305390@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144253547.563640.142430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144290437.831619.305490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: help on MW model 403 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:09:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4434810c$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1144290437.831619.305490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > thanks for the heads up paul. so you think that was a factory kludge? > i hope to get to take a better look at it tomorrow night. when i first > looked at it, it just looked wrong. i spent about 30 minutes trying to > figure out the mistake "I" was making. got frustrated and walked away. > maybe i was just in one of those clouds where nothing makes sense. > every had that happen? Every day, Eddie. Every day. :) All kidding aside, it's a rather different set. Coils mounted close together and in unusual places; and figuring out that sliding power switch/band switch mechanism is a brain-bending exercise if you haven't done one before. The bad part is that it's exposed on top, and mine was really filthy. You'd think such a huge chassis with relatively few caps would be somewhat easy to service. You'd be wrong. Just make sure the cathode of your 6J5 osc tube is connected to that coil and not broken off and floating in midair. That was what was wrong with mine. My caps are especially leaky and I haven't yet found a carbon resistor still in tolerance. And I have a lot of flying junction "air terminals" in this set too. I suspect they may be original though I'm not sure. Even with only a dozen caps left to replace, this chassis promises to be a time-eater. paul Article: 332371 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Unanticipated Loop Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:06:35 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1144256080.352812.116850@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144258465.029527.306520@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > As much the frame as the mirror is also a shield.. good or bad > depending on the quality of the silvering, but none-the-less not fully > transparent to RF. > I remember three years ago, when my last child was born, I brought my Grundig Sat 700 and a pair of headphones with me to the maternity center to pass the time when mother and baby were both asleep. The room we were in had more glass than an aquarium, and yet the radio was so deaf sitting right next to the window that I thought it was malfunctioning. I took the radio outside and immediately the reception was off the scale. The windows were tinted. The material they were tinted with must have been some sort of metallic coating that was very unfriendly to RF. I wish I could have such splendid shielding available to me when I align my restored radios. Perhaps this phenonmenon could be used to some advantage. If a shield is good enough to deafen a radio, it should be also good to minimize RFI coming from dimmers, computers, wallwarts and other electronic vermin. With the radio near the shielded spot and a good shielded cable leading to an outside antenna, it might be possible to get better reception than would otherwise be possible anywhere else in the house. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 332372 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:11:24 -0700 Message-ID: References: <27721-443316BA-78@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <-6adnY0CfrXZza7ZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> Phil Nelson wrote: > > Guess it's time to quit whining and hit the books. Out in the shop I have an > old EICO 360 sweep generator (never tried it out and it probably needs > restoration, but I think the manual's somewhere), Don't waste time looking for the manual if you don't know exactly where it is....You can download a copy of it here: http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/eico/360/ -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 332373 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:46:44 -0400 Message-ID: <12393p9psbv55f5@corp.supernews.com> References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> "Ken" wrote in message news:XpYYf.9586$9h5.5558@dukeread09... > Can you imagine what a mess it would have been for EVERONE to move inside. Yes, I do it all the time. That's what handtrucks are for. The New England clubs rarely have any outdoor events. Hate to ruin nice radios in the frequent inclement weather. John H. Article: 332374 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Earthstink References: <1144290399.843613.296120@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <%f1Zf.23340$WK1.15035@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:00:43 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > An update: It's been a month, and I'm still down. Re: my previous rant. It is now day 45 with DSL at the shop. SBC swore up and down on a stack of dead cats that by golly, it would up and running today, and sent a tech out to hook it up. He ran the line levels and said, "Gee, it's -37 dB, that's not going to work. There'a problem between here and the Central Office. Sigh. here we go again. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 332375 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:45:01 -0700 Message-ID: References: <-6adnY0CfrXZza7ZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <7340-4433C612-1@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:20:35 -0700, Phil Nelson wrote: >> it seems like alignment issues should be confined to >> the sound IF strip (with the possible exception of the mixer plate coil >> in the tuner). > > Yah, if aligning the sound strip cures the problem, I certainly won't mess > with the video. That has only a couple of minor issues, such as not being > able to quite center horizontally, which may be fixed by replacing a > resistor or two. > > The manual seems to say you align the sound discriminator first, then the > sound IF, so I guess that's where I'll start. > > Regards, > > Phil Nelson I don't know if this applies to the 630TS, but some sets with magnetic focus had oversize holes in the focus magnet. Then it was mounted on pivots. Tilting it provided the centering adjustment. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 332376 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Unanticipated Loop Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:59:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1144256080.352812.116850@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:54:40 -0700, Brian wrote: > I was pretty much done restoring a Philco 40-155 and wanted to try it > out in the room that has my other old radios. I was out of space so I > put the radio on a folding table that I temporarily placed in front of > a closet door. It worked, but AM broadcast signals were a lot weaker > than they had been on the bench. I moved the table a couple feet out > into the room and signal strength really improved. I put the table back > and then happened to move the sliding closet door. Signal strength > became normal. The closet has a mirror door with a rectangular metal > frame. The frame was acting as an RF loop and shunting or detuning the > internal antenna loop in the Philco. It makes me wonder how often > similar effects happen due to wiring in the wall behind a radio. > > Brian Back when I was in high school in the '60s, my dad had a hardware store. I had a bench in a back room. I had an old TRF radio with no AVC. When someone opened the front door (maybe 100 ft away) the radio would change volume. When the door closed, it went back to what it was. I suspect it had something to do with the burglar alarm wiring but I never investigated. Sometimes things go the other way. A few years ago, my church got a modular metal building to provide some extra classroom space. They put one of those "atomic" clocks in one of the rooms. Since I had no experience with one of them, I wondered how accurate it actually was. One night I brought my Heathkit AR3. I strung a wire near the window but mostly next to the wall. WWV came in just fine. The clock was about 1/4 second slow. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 332377 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:17:15 -0700 Message-ID: References: <27721-443316BA-78@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <-6adnY0CfrXZza7ZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> Phil Nelson wrote: > Thanks, I did find the EICO 360 manual. The instrument was completely dead. > After recapping and the usual spritzing, it seemed to come back to life . . > . except I'm not sure how to tell whether whether it's accurate, or working > at all. I guess you can tell I have never used one of these. > > The construction manual says you can calibrate it using either a signal > tracer or a receiver capable of receiving 54mhz and above. Neither of which > I have. > Why not use one of your vintage TVs (motorola 7 incher perhaps) as the receiver? The channel frequencies are known, so you could probably get the calibration pretty close. I've never had the need to align one of these puppies, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 332378 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Free Wednesday! References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:30:58 GMT Keith, I have a Philco battery set that I think that chassis would work in. I sent you an email, Thanks Keith Park wrote: > Hi all, > > I never have time to do this on friday so here goes! > Its raining in NY again and that makes for great Veneer farming! > > Before I put these cabinets out for a harvest Ill offer them here for > anybody who can use them for FREE! > but you have to pick them up, I will NOT ship, they are just outside of > ALbany NY > > 1) 1954 RCA TV cabinet, has doors, mahogony with perfect original finish, > inlay, nice for color conversion or liquer cabinet. no chassis or speaker > > 2) Philco 37-610 console, this is the one with the waterfall sides and yes, > the veneer is cracked on the curves which is why I dont want to keep it. > Comes with a chassis but no knobs or speaker and I think the dial may be > iffy. > > 3) Old Majestic style highboy cabinet, nearly all the legs are cut off , has > nice doors but the veneer on top needs replacement. Make nice licquer > cabinet too. No chassis or speaker, or inner front panel. > > Let me know if anything interests anybody. > > Keith > > Article: 332379 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:04:04 +0900 Message-ID: References: <27721-443316BA-78@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <-6adnY0CfrXZza7ZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:tb-dnWAgzb_wMqnZRVn-rw@giganews.com... > Thanks, I did find the EICO 360 manual. The instrument was completely > dead. After recapping and the usual spritzing, it seemed to come back to > life . . . except I'm not sure how to tell whether whether it's accurate, > or working at all. I guess you can tell I have never used one of these. > > The construction manual says you can calibrate it using either a signal > tracer or a receiver capable of receiving 54mhz and above. Neither of > which I have. > > I guess I could lash it up to the TV and an oscilloscope as described in > the 630TS alignment instructions, and see if anything shows up on the > scope screen. But what would that prove, except that I'm working on a > known-funky TV with a possibly-funky old tube instrument? I'm leery of > twiddling things on the TV without having any idea whether this thing is > putting out a correct signal in the first place. > > Ideas? Usable test gear here consists of a multimeter, signal generator, > oscilloscope (which I'm not very good at using), and digital radio that > can receive up thru the usual SW frequencies (which I use to verify > settings on my signal generator). Were it me working on something like this, I would find out what the IF frequency is for the sound IF section, feed in an AM signal of low level at the input end, and connect a scope to the detector output, with the detector purposely tuned a bit off to one side. Then I'd peak the amp stages for maximum on the scope. After that was done, then I would adjust the detector for a null. Article: 332380 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave McClellan" References: Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Message-ID: <5E8Zf.1$fW6.0@fe07.lga> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:24:05 -0400 I have not checked the alignment instructions lately (recall that I recently posted that I have a 630TS that has been restored and has the same problem - in my case, I do get sound, but NOT the best sound and best picture at the same tuning position). You might look into checking T2 first (the sound takeoff transformer in the tuner). It has a cap across the secondary that may have drifted or is bad). Notice that the secondary resonates at the lower sound frequency (primary is tuned to the higher picture frequency). If the transformer is bad or badly out of alignment, you will get the symptoms you listed. It might be possible to adjust if without touching the sound and picture IF strips. Maybe you can just peak the secondary at the correct frequency. I had the same problem you did with my signal generator (an Eico Post Marker Sweep Generator) in that I do not have the appropropriate crystals for the required marker frequency, and the built in marker generator is not accurate enough to align the set. One of these days I plan on looking into the possibility of injecting the markers from an external signal generator monitored using a counter or digital radio, or finding a way of monitoring the internal marker generator. Good luck, Dave Article: 332381 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Smokey" Subject: Re: moldy tube tester Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:45:53 -0500 Message-ID: <123a6u1rg675ec1@corp.supernews.com> References: <9roVf.10299$k75.3874@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <2hdd2218ck659q4k9o81rcueo035q3lrk5@4ax.com> Is there any way a mouse could have entered the unit? (Mice can flatten themselves to only 1/2-inch or less. As mice walk, particularly shrews, they leave a deposit of urine. I have had old gear that had mouse urine on components that, as they heated up, smelled awful. If any of the tubes have bakelite bases check around the bulb and base seal area as the urine probably ran down the tube side but pooled at the junction of the bulb and base. Also mice can crawl in the wire lead hole of even the smallest transformers. Check to see if there is anything there also. Good luck. Smokey -- Important note: When replying to my e-mail please delete the words, "nospam" >from my e-mail address. "Chris F." wrote in message news:m6kWf.51151$VV4.832840@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > tomato juice...believe it or not. It very well could be that there's > > a potting material or a lacquer or something used in the manufacturing > > of this boatanchor that' giving off the odor...and I'd be concerned > > about that. A lot of stuff used in old electronics manufacture is > > highly carcinogenic. > > > > Sounds like an old DuMont. > > Yeah I tend to also think it's some kind of material inside the unit, but I > can't imagine what it would be. I've never encountered anything like it > before, and I've seen (and smelled) leakage or breakage of just about every > type of component imaginable. > It's an old Stark SK-1 actually. I dated it from the tube lineup > (5Y3-6SN7-etc), even if it had some collector value, I doubt any collector > would want it stinking up their display rack. In fact that's why I had to > banish it to a storage building.... > > Article: 332382 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <9roVf.10299$k75.3874@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <2hdd2218ck659q4k9o81rcueo035q3lrk5@4ax.com> <123a6u1rg675ec1@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: moldy tube tester Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:53:38 -0400 "Smokey" wrote in message news:123a6u1rg675ec1@corp.supernews.com... > Is there any way a mouse could have entered the unit? (Mice can flatten > themselves to only 1/2-inch or less. As mice walk, particularly shrews, they > leave a deposit of urine. > > Smokey > > -- Incontinent mice???? Pete Article: 332383 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Earthstink Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: <123aacgiaa1875d@corp.supernews.com> References: <1144290399.843613.296120@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144333048.118581.115250@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> RadioGary wrote: > Gary Tayman wrote: > >>An update: It's been a month, and I'm still down. The only way I've >>been able to communicate is through google groups. All this began when >>I signed up for Earthlink's Truevoice phone system. Guess what? The >>phone doesn't work either. They've sent me more modems (and charged >>me) and none of them work. I've contacted them 21 times. I've lost >>count of the number of hours I've been on hold, but I'm no closer to a >>solution than I was a month ago. > > Basically they all suck. > Clearly, part of the issue is that Earthlink - or whoever - depends on using someone else's network (phone company or cable company) and they are basically powerless to get anything repaired if thats where the problem is...and thats often the case. Back in the early 70s, in our cable system, part of the plant was owned by the phone company and was leased to CATV. We were not allowed to touch their plant, not even for new connections. New installation orders, service work, etc all had to be called into the phone company. And the phone company people would not go to a customer and actually LOOK at the TV set to see if a problem had been resolved. It was a massive hot-potato toss until we finally started doing our own repairs to their plant. I don't think Earthlink is gonna do that but you can see the potential for major customer service failures. Even with my ISP - which is THE phone company - its a different department and they can't do so much as submit a complaint or repair order in behalf of an internet customer. I have to call the phone company Repair Service number (811) if the net people consider my problem to be a connection issue. You can guess how often they use that to "clear" the problem on their end. -Bill Article: 332384 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: moldy tube tester Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:17:16 -0700 Message-ID: <12640-443530FC-115@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: >Incontinent mice???? > >Pete It all Depends. Sorry, back to corner.... :-) oc Article: 332385 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Earthstink From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1144290399.843613.296120@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144333048.118581.115250@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <123aacgiaa1875d@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:55:50 GMT In article <123aacgiaa1875d@corp.supernews.com>, exray@coqui.net says... > > I had a Cable TV Phone this winter while in Florida. Where we are located is in Bright House Cable system. Internet is roadrunner.. not real happy with them. but thats another story. discussion here is the cable TV Phone service. I have to say that we had a few problems... the internet and the phone would go out at same time and the modem would attempt to get itself all reset. After one changeout of the modem it was determined that the problem wasn't with our modem.. but some other piece of equipment in their system. It effected people in a general area.. It got a bit better before we left FL ... and Bright House is working on finding the problem.. I do have to say that they were really prompt coming out to fix the stuff and tried hard to keep us in service. Their techs both on the phone and in person all seemed to be competant people.. Note here to Gary... it takes a bit of doing but long term.. it is REALLY REALLY WORTH IT .. to get a Real Webstorage spot for your Website and Domain Name... mine cost me about 100 bucks a year... it has in 5 years ... NEVER HAD AN OUTAGE that I am aware of... I kept my freebie website with Concentric my dialup ISP as a mirror for about a year... then I set it for a ReDirect to the new site. Think long term Gary it would be worth it to you to switch the website.. John k9uwa Article: 332386 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Unanticipated Loop From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1144256080.352812.116850@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144258465.029527.306520@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:14:02 GMT In article , NOT_MY_REAL@email.com says... > > >With the radio near the shielded spot and a good shielded cable leading >to an outside antenna, it might be possible to get better reception than >would otherwise be possible anywhere else in the house. > >-Scott > Maybe here is the time to talk about outside or attic type antennas? Shameless Plug here a little bit. I have a local buddy that makes up the needed transformers to do the following: #1.. you need to match the old radio from its wanted hi-impedance down to 50-75 ohms. #2... install shielded coax from this transformer to the start point of your antenna. #3.. since your antenna is a single long wire.. it is again a Hi-Impedance antenna... therefore you need the 2nd transformer to raise impedance back up to what the antenna is.. At the start point of the antenna you need a ground wire... one that goes to a ground rod.. or your copper pipe plumbing if you have that in your home. Antenna... longer and higher is always better. In the Attic as long as the roof isn't made from some sort of metal... like a tin roof... you can take a roll of wire and a staple gun up into your attic.. just go back and forth in the attic stapling the wire to the rafters.. If you have an attic you can walk around in.... in about 15 minutes you can string up 400 to 1000 feet of wire ... now this antenna WILL pick up interference from stuff in your house.. Flourescent lites, Dimmers, Variable Speed ceiling fans all sorts of stuff.. so better if you can put that wire antenna outside someplace... Now once you decide to put it outside.. think about lightning protection a little bit.. this antenna will work great if you run 400 or more feet and it doesn't have to be high up in the air..... 6 foot or so is fine... iin fact a long .. low wire will be better for signals you want to hear... and also hear less atmospheric noise than same antenna that is up much higher... Us Ham Radio Low band operators call these things beverage antennas... thats because a guy named Dr. H. H. Beverage is the one who dreamed them up many years ago... John k9uwa Article: 332387 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44357DD0.F3CC95F5@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: moldy tube tester References: <12640-443530FC-115@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:45:57 GMT Bill Sheppard wrote: > > >Incontinent mice???? > > > >Pete > > It all Depends. > > Sorry, back to corner.... :-) > > oc Duck, when you crawl back under the workbench! ;-) -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida From adouglasatgis.net Fri Apr 7 12:08:40 EDT 2006 Article: 332388 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: My First Spring Meet in the Carolinas, 2006 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:47:03 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1bva32pr9te9haih6v4sjqqhmvdv69mo1r@4ax.com> References: <122rlk3lahffk44@corp.supernews.com> <12393p9psbv55f5@corp.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-282.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:332388 HI, >> Can you imagine what a mess it would have been for EVERONE to move inside. > Then why would they advertise that they had a rain contingency plan? I guess it depends on your definition of rain. Mine would be "enough water to damage radios left outside." Alan -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Article: 332389 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Forum Down? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:31:52 -0400 Message-ID: <123b26f1h3f37cb@corp.supernews.com> I can't get into anything but the main page today (4/6/06) John H. Article: 332390 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:55:07 +0900 Message-ID: References: <5E8Zf.1$fW6.0@fe07.lga> "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:wN6dnXyUf8hh9qjZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@giganews.com... >> I suppose it wouldn't do any harm to hook everything up and do a trial, >> just to see what -- if anything -- shows up on the scope. > > Well, the trial results are inconclusive . . . except maybe to reveal that > I failed Oscilloscopes 101 :-( > > Here are the instructions from the 630TS service manual: > > "SOUND IF ALIGNMENT > > Connect the sweep oscillator to the second sound IF amplifier grid. > > Connect the oscilloscope to the third sound IF return (terminal A T112) in > series with a 33K isolating resistor. > > Insert a 21.25 mc. marker signal from the signal generator into the second > sound IF grid. > > Adjust T112 (top and bottom) for maximum gain and symmetry about the 21.25 > mc. marker. The pattern obtained should be similar to that shown in Figure > 18B. > > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/RCA630TS23.jpg > " > Here's the scene: > > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/RCA630TS22.jpg > > I fed the 21.25mhz output from the signal generator to the external marker > input of the sweep generator. Whose output is connected to 2nd sound IF > grid. Oscilloscope is connected via the 33K resistor to terminal A of > T112. > > I was able to dial up a nice wave (well, sine-ish) on the oscilloscope. > However, there's no hint of a marker pip on the wave. And twiddling the > knobs on both sweep generator and signal generator had no visible effect > whatsoever. > > In fact, I could get the same waveform on the scope after turning off > everything except the oscilloscope. Which leads me to wonder if I am > measuring anything at all. The waveform disappeared when I disconnected > the output from the sweep generator to the TV, however. > > I didn't connect any of the grounds amongst these devices (fear of Bzzt!). > > I just noted that the instructions seem to imply you should (or can) > connect the signal generator marker output directly to second sound IF > grid, rather than sending it to the sweep generator. But if the sweep > generator were working properly, would that matter? If you didn't connect any of the grounds what you're likely looking at is stray 60 Hz AC. Article: 332391 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Forum Down? Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:01:17 -0400 Message-ID: <123b3tfr0vuqt5b@corp.supernews.com> References: <123b26f1h3f37cb@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > I can't get into anything but the main page today (4/6/06) > > John H. > > Working ok here. There was a complaint posted about it suddenly not working with the Opera browser so apparently something is going on. -Bill Article: 332392 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: Forum Down? Message-ID: References: <123b26f1h3f37cb@corp.supernews.com> <123b3tfr0vuqt5b@corp.supernews.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:38:13 GMT On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:01:17 -0400, - exray - wrote: >Hagstar wrote: > >> I can't get into anything but the main page today (4/6/06) >> >> John H. >> >> > > >Working ok here. There was a complaint posted about it suddenly not >working with the Opera browser so apparently something is going on. > >-Bill I am getting the same thing as John. Even when I switch from Opera to IE. Alan did say that it would be down for about a day sometime this week while new software or something was installed. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 332393 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: Forum Down? Message-ID: References: <123b26f1h3f37cb@corp.supernews.com> <123b3tfr0vuqt5b@corp.supernews.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:40:51 GMT On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:38:13 GMT, Brian McAllister wrote: >On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:01:17 -0400, - exray - wrote: > >>Hagstar wrote: >> >>> I can't get into anything but the main page today (4/6/06) >>> >>> John H. >>> >>> >> >> >>Working ok here. There was a complaint posted about it suddenly not >>working with the Opera browser so apparently something is going on. >> >>-Bill > > >I am getting the same thing as John. Even when I switch from Opera to >IE. > >Alan did say that it would be down for about a day sometime this week >while new software or something was installed. > > >Brian McAllister > >Sarasota, Florida > >email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die I do see by the main page that others are able to post, but Alan also said that it may be some time before all the DNS servers had the updated info. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 332394 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <1144072687.197582.119080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144281380.742958.294030@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Annual Spring Post - Unwanted Radio Inhabitants Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:07:36 GMT They only got into the core wood, never touched the outer or inner Veneer, just an access hole at the bottom edge. And this was a standup one on wheeled legs too so the wood wasnt in contact with the ground.... Keith "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1144281380.742958.294030@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Very peculiar. Carpenter ants don't actually eat wood... they eat plant > sap and aphid honey. It is quite odd that they would have a colony on > something so small as a Victrola. > > I have seen stranger things in my time, though. > > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 332395 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Earthstink Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:20:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1144290399.843613.296120@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144333048.118581.115250@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <123aacgiaa1875d@corp.supernews.com> In <123aacgiaa1875d@corp.supernews.com> - exray - writes: >Clearly, part of the issue is that Earthlink - or whoever - depends on >using someone else's network (phone company or cable company) and they >are basically powerless to get anything repaired if thats where the >problem is...and thats often the case. Your "last mile" always depends on the ILEC (Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier), and that's where I've had problems, with Verizon. No matter who I go with I can't get away from Verizon. But the folks I get connectivity from, Covad (http://covad.net) are far more clued than most and are better at beating up Verizon. When I had an outage I was constantly being called by Covad to check in on Verizon's inability to sort out a pair of wires. Who you buy your connection from most certainly does matter. Not only are you trusting them to deal with the ILEC, but also with peering points to hand off your traffic to the Cloud. >Back in the early 70s, in our cable system, part of the plant was owned >by the phone company and was leased to CATV. We were not allowed to >touch their plant, not even for new connections. New installation >orders, service work, etc all had to be called into the phone company. >And the phone company people would not go to a customer and actually >LOOK at the TV set to see if a problem had been resolved. It was a >massive hot-potato toss until we finally started doing our own repairs >to their plant. I've never been inside the local switch, but from what I understand there's a big cage around the DSLAM (the bank of DSL modems at the "other end") where wires pass in and out to the telco equipment. :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 332396 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <5E8Zf.1$fW6.0@fe07.lga> In "Phil Nelson" writes: >> If you didn't connect any of the grounds what you're likely looking at is >> stray 60 Hz AC. >Back to o'scope kindergarten! I know this isn't the "correct" way, and it's not "safe", but I always float my scope. Just put a three-prong to two-prong adapter on the power cord and be careful not to lick anything. :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 332397 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: New in original box Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:00:25 -0400 Message-ID: <123bhtrlcl7u119@corp.supernews.com> References: <1144374130.288800.234060@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Dave wrote: > The seller says this RCA radio from 1940s is new in box never used > http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-working-1940s-RCA-licensed-wood-radio_W0QQitemZ6617626691QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6608260241 Article: 332398 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: New in original box Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 02:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1144374130.288800.234060@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <123bhtrlcl7u119@corp.supernews.com> <39ib32dhspbotvg44bbka2cu90mtmd6mab@4ax.com> In <39ib32dhspbotvg44bbka2cu90mtmd6mab@4ax.com> ISH writes: >On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:00:25 -0400, - exray - wrote: >>Dave wrote: >> >>> The seller says this RCA radio from 1940s is new in box never used >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-working-1940s-RCA-licensed-wood-radio_W0QQitemZ6617626691QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >>See: >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6608260241 >nice profit! Remember "day trading"? "Bay trading", perhaps? If you can do that trick once a week, consistently, you'll make out okay for the time invested. Otherwise... rough way to make a living. My hat's off to anyone who can make it work. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 332399 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1144374130.288800.234060@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: New in original box Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:17:33 -0400 "Dave" wrote in message news:1144374130.288800.234060@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > The seller says this RCA radio from 1940s is new in box never used > http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-working-1940s-RCA-licensed-wood-radio_W0QQitemZ6617626691QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The box sure looks new and unused, so that must be true. Syl Article: 332400 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1144374130.288800.234060@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: New in original box Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:18:14 -0400 "Dave" wrote in message news:1144374130.288800.234060@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > The seller says this RCA radio from 1940s is new in box never used > http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-working-1940s-RCA-licensed-wood-radio_W0QQitemZ6617626691QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The box sure looks new and unused, so that must be true. Syl Article: 332401 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: New in original box Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: <123bl32f0r55bef@corp.supernews.com> References: <1144374130.288800.234060@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144377402.325167.50660@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1144377896.070772.168540@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I have a couple of radios I listed as "Beautiful, Working" on the 'Bay - we'll see what comes of it :) John H. Article: 332402 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1144374130.288800.234060@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144377402.325167.50660@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1144377896.070772.168540@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <123bl32f0r55bef@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: New in original box Message-ID: <1UkZf.40601$ty4.34424@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 03:20:29 GMT "Hagstar" wrote in message news:123bl32f0r55bef@corp.supernews.com... > > I have a couple of radios I listed as "Beautiful, Working" on the 'Bay - we'll see > what comes of it :) > > John H. > Looks like igolioto's competitor "larry21751" may have dibs on "lovely, working". http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlarry21751QQhtZ-1 jim menning From adouglasatgis.net Fri Apr 7 12:08:42 EDT 2006 Article: 332403 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Sound woes on RCA 630TS TV Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:13:17 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Lines: 13 Message-ID: <1llb32dr9s4otl2l9crqhrnrlo5q9dbnmv@4ax.com> References: <5E8Zf.1$fW6.0@fe07.lga> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-842.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:332403 Hi, When I aligned a 1950 Zenith porthole, it took a lot of fiddling to get useful sweep displays on the scope, and I was using a much better sweeper than the Eico (not to mention the Tek 7000 scope). Here's the Forum thread, which also has some scope displays posted: http://antiqueradios.com/forums/Forum6/HTML/001602.html and a more recent one with some discussion of sweepers: http://antiqueradios.com/forums/Forum6/HTML/002313.html Alan -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Article: 332404 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <1144374130.288800.234060@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144377402.325167.50660@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1144377896.070772.168540@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <123bl32f0r55bef@corp.supernews.com> <1UkZf.40601$ty4.34424@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: New in original box Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:42:21 -0500 "jim menning" wrote in message news:1UkZf.40601$ty4.34424@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Hagstar" wrote in message > news:123bl32f0r55bef@corp.supernews.com... > > > > I have a couple of radios I listed as "Beautiful, Working" on the 'Bay - we'll see > > what comes of it :) > > > > John H. > > > > Looks like igolioto's competitor "larry21751" may have dibs on "lovely, working". > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlarry21751QQhtZ-1 > > jim menning > That Zenith cabinet design's not a bad idea. You CAN'T set a potted plant on top. But I dunno about "lovely". Nelson Article: 332405 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Forum Down? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:52:26 -0600 Message-ID: <8005-4435F00A-407@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> References: <1144367430.468558.69240@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> There was a thread last week announcing some shutdown time to make some changes . Article: 332406 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Unanticipated Loop From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1144256080.352812.116850@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144351747.234710.140290@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <6doZf.880586$x96.322208@attbi_s72> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:07:47 GMT In article <1144351747.234710.140290@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, k6sti@n2.net says... > > >I visited a guy a couple months ago who had the transformer at the end >of the coax and then a single wire without a ground. Even though he was >an EE, he was surprised when I pointed out that he wasn't reducing >noise with that setup. > >Brian > Yup if you don't ground the 2nd transformer you will get all the crap picked up by the whole length of the coax back into all the noise makers in your house ... John k9uwa Article: 332407 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: New in original box Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1144374130.288800.234060@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144377402.325167.50660@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1144377896.070772.168540@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <123bl32f0r55bef@corp.supernews.com> <1144379415.179183.43530@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1144380005.612551.290580@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1144381102.346569.294160@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1144384409.269958.199330@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> In <1144384409.269958.199330@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> "Steven" writes: >Yes, or I wouldn't have found the link in the first place to see >igolioto's stuff in the first place. >Would you like his response? Not much about any dried caps. >I can't answer when I'm not online....it is a good question, four of >the 7 tubes are metal tubes, and as such, when operated for the first >hour or so of first being installed, the tubes smell like crayons, that >waxy smell. Resistors under chassis smelled similarly. Regards. I assume the above paragraph is a direct quote from the seller. >A smell. Did RCA Victor testing procedures operate a newly-built set >long enough to do what he says? >Not once was the set even operated by this fellow long enough to tell >if it worked. Somebody paid $500 for a fib/white lie and they will >expect the thing to work! Operating the set for an hour should be sufficent to tell if it works. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 332408 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: For You Phono Guys Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:43:01 -0400 "graham" wrote in message news:W6ydnUFxVJdh6qvZRVn-sg@comcast.com... > ... check this out, watch the video, speakers on ... > > http://www.grand-illusions.com/toycollection/record_runner/ I have the ice cream truck version in my collection. Cool and clever toy. Syl Article: 332409 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: For You Phono Guys Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In "graham" writes: >... check this out, watch the video, speakers on ... >http://www.grand-illusions.com/toycollection/record_runner/ I don't know why, but those circular/spiral grooved things just make you want to do neat stuff with them. One of the reasons, I think, that records have such a long and illustrious history. "For those of you that don't remember vinyl records, they are what people had before CDs, and they needed a special turntable to play them." Oy! -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------