Article: 332929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:29 -0700
Message-ID: <a8kb421j766t3q6lfc3u7mctgafc8glott@4ax.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:16:37 -0400, "Mark Oppat"
<moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote:

>now this is a set you dont see very often!   I had the X131 model that looks
>similar a few years ago but it didnt have this higher end chassis...  cant
>see the 12 tubes, it looks like a small chassis to fit them all on.... <snip>

Perhaps the seller thinks IF cans and caps are "tubes?"  A nice Bob
Pilot original I'd like to have.


Article: 332930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4445E25D.382B86FC@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e23rra$j97$2@reader1.panix.com> <iP2dnaSx7Zs0LNjZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:11:10 GMT

Tom Adkins wrote:
> 
> Tim Mullen wrote:
> > In <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com> writes:
> >
> >
> >>I thought some of you might know something about this subject.  A
> >>friend just gave me a 1952 Skil belt sander.  Very cool streamlined
> >>design, the front is a bullet shape like a 30s locomotive.
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >    Kewl!  When you get 'er ready, take her to the races:
> >
> >      http://www.nebsra.org/
> >
> > {Indoor sports with power tools.  What more could a guy want?}
> >
> 
>   Oh S***, I thought the Combine Demolition Derby at the local county fair was over
> the top! I've seen Barstool Racing, Lawn Tractor Races, etc. There should really be a
> Redneck Sports Channel for things like this. I'll bet it would top ESPN for viewership.


   Video tape it and post it to http://www.youtube.com


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: RdM <rdm@orcon.net.zz>
Subject: Identify "Mail-a-Voice" Vintage phonograph recorder?
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:22:31 +1200
Message-ID: <t5sb42prmatv71h6gt4tsai93o0uh2pg73@4ax.com>

An interesting local (NZ) auction that I've asked a question on:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Home-audio/Vintage/auction-54080884.htm
or
http://tinyurl.com/ztfaq  (nice one, tinyurl!)

I've been away for a while, changed ISP's; caught up this group with ~5k
messages to scan ... just thought someone here might know this device?

I've asked whether (in case it's not answered yet) he's tried to play back on
the device (may be record-only?) or other record players, and what speed, size
of (& quantity of!) blanks ... just an interesting curiousity. Doubt I'll buy.

Regards, and TIA;

Ross Matheson
Auckland, New Zealand. <nz, not zz!>


Article: 332932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:45:38 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e24tbi$jq3$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e23rra$j97$2@reader1.panix.com> <iP2dnaSx7Zs0LNjZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com>

In <iP2dnaSx7Zs0LNjZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com> Tom Adkins <newton5@remove.comcast.net> writes:

>  Oh S***, I thought the Combine Demolition Derby at the local county fair was over 
>the top!

   Ah.  You want Survival Research Labs:

     http://www.srl.org/

I did a show with them years ago in the parking lot of Yankee Stadium.
The fire chief rolls up:

   "O.K.  Light 'er up and let's see what you'll be doing..."

   (demonstration ensues)

   "Move the bleachers back another fifty feet."

I was in one of the trailers smoking when someone says "We were just
mixing explosives in here."  Gee, thanks for the warning.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 332933 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Larry Fowkes" <larry@lfowkesNOSPAM.com>
References: <1145358703.416754.6660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Q--dndsIVLtyG9jZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews.com>
Subject: Re: Fisher 500s
Message-ID: <owo1g.48523$_S7.16856@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:44:36 GMT


"Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> wrote in message
news:Q--dndsIVLtyG9jZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews.com...
> From the Winter 1997 issue of Vacuum Tube Valley magazine:
>
> Don't ask me why they include silicon rectifiers in the tube count.
Anyhow,
> that's what the mag sez.
>
> Folks in rec.audio.tubes may know more about this sort of thing.
>
> Phil Nelson
>

I was recently given a mint 500T unit, I think that was their first all
solid state receiver? I thought the mfg date was around 1962, were they
offering both the tubed and transistor versions concurently? Actually I was
kind of bummed when I pulled the cover to clean it up, I thought it was all
fire bottles. Interesting however to note that all the transistors are
socketed.

Larry Fowkes




Article: 332934 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bill Morris" <zac@mw.net>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:54:11 -0400
Message-ID: <444624e3$0$1013$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>

Can't help you on the model number, but I like the dial!


"GWBO" <GWBO@gwbo.net> wrote in message 
news:1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I recently bought an old Montgomery Ward Airline radio at a garage
> sale. I cannot find a model name or number on it, and I haven't been
> able to find a picture of it anywhere on the internet or in any group.
>
> There is an AM band and two short wave bands. I was surprised to find
> that it actually works. It brings in several local stations on the AM
> band. No luck with the other two bands yet.
>
> I would like to know the model number, and whether it has any value.
> Pictures can be found at:
> http://gwbo.net/Misc/FrontView.JPG
> http://gwbo.net/Misc/RearView.JPG
>
> Thank you.
> 




Article: 332935 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:10:41 -0400
Message-ID: <124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

GWBO wrote:


> 
> I would like to know the model number, and whether it has any value.
> Pictures can be found at:
> http://gwbo.net/Misc/FrontView.JPG
> http://gwbo.net/Misc/RearView.JPG
> 
> Thank you.

Looks like 62-228.  With that neat dial I'm sure you could get 100-150 
for it.

-Bill


Article: 332936 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: RdM <rdm@orcon.net.zz>
Subject: Re: Identify "Mail-a-Voice" Vintage phonograph recorder?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:49:16 +1200
Message-ID: <qsbc42p5kcvfnb832730744mh3oluvk7pl@4ax.com>
References: <t5sb42prmatv71h6gt4tsai93o0uh2pg73@4ax.com> <1145441321.720129.294740@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

"Steven" wrote:

> BRUSH,
> 
> Some sites with diagrams and info on the record (and reel if you like
> version) of this equipment are:
> 
> http://history.acusd.edu/gen/recording/begun6.html#25
> 
> http://home.hetnet.nl/~kalma99/Recordon/Recordon.htm English included
> 
> 
> That's what I found, and yes, it's the first major application of
> magnetic recording on a flat disk, predecessor in spirit to the hard
> drive as we know it, as I know it. Hopefully that will give you some
> idea on what to do with it.

Excellent information, Steven!

Thanks very much for the timely responses and the very interesting links!
I've passed the information along in the form of another question/comment.

[Limited to 500chrs a time; I gave no credits in it but will if he responds;-]

Regards,

Ross

[http://www.funduc.com/otsoft.htm#countchars is useful for limiting text chrs]
[I type/edit my text in Notepad with it running then paste into the entry box]


Article: 332937 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Message-ID: <Tmq1g.83485$Jh1.1183606@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:51:06 -0400

"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> now this is a set you dont see very often!   I had the X131 model that 
> looks
> similar a few years ago but it didnt have this higher end chassis...  cant
> see the 12 tubes, it looks like a small chassis to fit them all on....
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Pilot-Model-173-Radio-Original-Unrestored-Working_W0QQitemZ6622454140QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

A simple search for the schematic on nostalgiaair.org reveals a 12 tubes 
radio, model 173.

That is 12 tubes _including_ the eye tube _and_ a ballast.

http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/366/M0014366.pdf

Syl 




Article: 332938 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Larry Fowkes" <larry@lfowkesNOSPAM.com>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Message-ID: <kvs1g.48659$_S7.47338@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:16:33 GMT


"- exray -" <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message
news:124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com...
> GWBO wrote:
>
>
I have that same radio in my storage area, picked it up at a flea market for
$15 last year. My veneer has some cracks on the radius though, so it will be
a bit of work. I liked the big dial as well. Can't remember the model number
off hand but will look on my computer at home tonight.

Larry Fowkes




Article: 332939 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Fisher 500s
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:55:51 -0700
Message-ID: <3anc4213tol9015sj41tcgsjep4d0inged@4ax.com>
References: <1145358703.416754.6660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Q--dndsIVLtyG9jZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews.com> <owo1g.48523$_S7.16856@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:44:36 GMT, "Larry Fowkes"
<larry@lfowkesNOSPAM.com> wrote:

>I was recently given a mint 500T unit, I think that was their first all
>solid state receiver? I thought the mfg date was around 1962, were they
>offering both the tubed and transistor versions concurently? <snip>

Yes.

>Actually I was
>kind of bummed when I pulled the cover to clean it up, I thought it was all
>fire bottles. Interesting however to note that all the transistors are
>socketed. <snip>

There weren't bad units, either.


Article: 332940 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:57:37 -0700
Message-ID: <oenc42lggmupdvlj3iitrchrr18oc3cgkn@4ax.com>
References: <1145185073.406604.201160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com> <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145457745.973779.37260@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 19 Apr 2006 07:42:26 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>This does not sound right. If you are operating the machine in the
>"monitor" mode, the line-level input should go straight to the
>power-amp section (through the volume-control) with the VU meter(s)
>monitoring the level. There should be no need to go into the "record"
>mode.  <snip>

PW finds out in short order that his new "pal" is indeed everything I
said and more.


Article: 332941 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:59:12 -0700
Message-ID: <jgnc42l883gnmeihsniem39n4p07il6k95@4ax.com>
References: <1145185073.406604.201160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com> <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <5YudnXFhZ9KGy9vZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:24:16 -0500, Bill Cohn <billcohn1.comcast.net>
wrote:

>I have looked at the schematic of the Roberts 720/770 also like AKIA M7. 
>If the sound is garbled with the 6AR5 removed you have something wrong 
>with the amplifier. The Bias Osc should NOT effect the sound of the 
>amplifier. With the head plug and transport disconnected the bias osc. 
>never comes on. It is activated by a switch on the tape transport. In 
>fact if you are using the line inputs you do not need the EF86/6267 
>preamp tubes either. They are NOT in the circuit path. <snip>

Charlie Nudo, aka "CAINE" and 66fourdoor on eBay, is an electronics
"wannabe" with no clue as to what he's talking about.  That should've
been quite obvious during the Fisher 500C saga.


Article: 332942 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
References: <1145185073.406604.201160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com>   <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <5YudnXFhZ9KGy9vZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1145465068.502106.131860@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <rEu1g.6082$Es3.5123@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:42:47 GMT

CAINE wrote:
> you have to put the switch in the tape transport on, to get the line in
> to work- otherwise no sound comes out of it- the line in only works in
> record mode
> 

Depending on what you want to do here, if you never play or record any 
tapes, you could modify the amps to do line-in without the bias 
oscillator circuit.  Maybe the bias oscillator also provides some bias 
to some portion of the line-in circuits to avoid distortion? If so, 
you'd need to modify that as well.

Of course if you need it as a tape machine, then I wouldn't do any mods...


Article: 332943 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:47:05 -0700
Message-ID: <ortc42hcphib0pn8mjl5gnnjfbriq5lvgi@4ax.com>
References: <1145185073.406604.201160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com> <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <5YudnXFhZ9KGy9vZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1145465068.502106.131860@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

On 19 Apr 2006 09:44:28 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>pull the 6AR5 tube, the sounds suffers <snip>

ANYTHING in the hands of Charlie Nudo, aka "CAINE" and "66fourdoor",
suffers greatly.


Article: 332944 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:08:41 -0400
Message-ID: <124d2ltkiuin8a7@corp.supernews.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

The space saving secret is the series string part. I have a Pilot T341 
coming (similar to model 340) that has a similar small chassis with big tube 
count. Not quite that small though. But think of how small one of those 
Arvin metal sets is.....

John H. 




Article: 332945 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:13:36 -0400
Message-ID: <124d2v4oaun90e8@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com>

Yes, I'll give you a Ben Franklin myself  :)

John H.

"- exray -" <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message 
news:124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com...

> Looks like 62-228.  With that neat dial I'm sure you could get 100-150 for 
> it.
 




Article: 332946 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1145473035.745276.55770@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Philco Super-Heterodyne 9
Message-ID: <L3w1g.2360$k.2201@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:20:11 GMT


"Mike Koste" <michael.koste@zurichna.com> wrote in message 
news:1145473035.745276.55770@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>I don't think so...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-PHILCO-SUPER-HETERODYNE-9-RADIO_W0QQitemZ6623036217QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Mike Koste
> Gobs of Knobs
> Ambler, PA
>

It's pictured in the background of one of his other listings.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6272402413

jim menning 




Article: 332947 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1145473035.745276.55770@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <L3w1g.2360$k.2201@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1145474813.781045.22210@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Philco Super-Heterodyne 9
Message-ID: <Utw1g.2363$k.1658@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:48:04 GMT


"Mike Koste" <michael.koste@zurichna.com> wrote in message 
news:1145474813.781045.22210@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Nice catch, Jim.
>
> MK
>

Got a few 90's sitting around here.

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1908/img28275gr.jpg

jim menning 




Article: 332948 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4446A150.2F8F7869@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:45:47 GMT

toxcrusadr wrote:
> 
> > believe it or not.. many decent hardware stores have carbon brushes
> > of varying sizes... you might be pleasantly suprised..
> 
> Yeah, but I don't really feel like I know how to install them, or how
> you know you need them, or how to adjust them.  I worked on an old
> circular saw once, the brushes were pretty much gone.  I put new ones
> in (yep found em at Ace Hardware), and it sparked like crazy and the
> carbon glowed bright red.  Methinks I did something wrong.  It sorta
> ran, but it was scary.  The other one I worked on that did not go well
> was a metal cased drill.  Put a new cord on.  Plugged it in and the
> case was hot.  Never did figure that one out.  Besides that, I don't
> really have time for the radios, much less tools.  I would like to have
> time to learn, but unfortunately I'm looking for someone to do repairs
> and tune-ups, not a source for motor brushes.
> 
> Tox


   The armature probably had bad spots from the old brushes.  I used to
use a large ink eraser and run the motor on 12 VDC while I polished out
the bad spots.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD-214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332949 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Cardboard record
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:53:52 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e26bhg$dd3$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145062554.957315.93370@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <7ln0425ffqcf339s20iv76ahq8eesb9t7m@4ax.com> <e2102u$cpv$1@reader1.panix.com> <hp-dnfmK99AyoNvZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@sigecom.net>

In <hp-dnfmK99AyoNvZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@sigecom.net> "Bruce Mercer" <maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net> writes:

[I asked]

>>   Seriously, what's the downside of this?  Please -- no flamefest.
>> I know how to properly clean records (hell, I own a VPI wet vacuum
>> machine), but I'm curious as to what's really bad about Gary's idea
>> on that particular record.  Is it because Pledge will attract dust
>> and dirt?  Would minute residue left on the stylus be then transferred
>> to other records?

>Any buildup of 'anything' in a record groove is not a good thing.

   Gotcha.  Thanks, Bruce.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 332950 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:22:12 -0400
Message-ID: <124de0smhtild1a@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com>   <kvs1g.48659$_S7.47338@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> <1145473854.996631.201590@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

toxcrusadr wrote:

> Nice radio, with the tuning eye.  Bill, you guess a model #, is there a
> year to go with that?  Metal tubes, is that about '37 - '41?
> 
> Tox
> 
I'm not swearing yet that thats the correct model number.  But if so, 
the schematic is dated May 1936.

-Bill


Article: 332951 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com> <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <fe3b42l2h74hj6ce515f9j7h3s253k9n2a@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <H3z1g.32991$cY3.21385@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:44:55 GMT


"Blacksmith" <blacksmith1@wowway.com> wrote in message >>
> This plastic looks like nylon so maybe it did shrink. I didn't mention
> that the batteries are too large in diameter, not length. The length
> doesn't matter since the batteries are dropped into a nylon cylinder
> with a coil spring contact in the bottom. They are so tight in the
> sleeves that they contact the plastic tube all around the battery with
> no wiggle room at all.

Tube holders give me trouble too. Hope yours is removable and not built in. 
I had a couple radios that I had to take partially apart every time I 
changed batteries to push them out when they wouldn't drop out. Don't want 
to use the inertia trick to get them out of a radio...

One time I made a tube out of some plastic I had left from a project and 
used C cells in that with an end plug and bolt spacer. I slid it in the D 
holder tube. Worked pretty good. Modern Alkaline cells are more than 
powerful enough to replace Ds for radio uses.

A lot of work but it may be something to consider in a tough situation.

Ray 




Article: 332952 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Repairing TO carcass and...
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:49:18 +0900
Message-ID: <e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net>

thinking of making it into a radio again. Anyone got spare H500 parts? I 
would need to eventually find a case, both antennas, and knobs. All I have 
is this poor, beat up chassis that I am slowly bringing back to life (I DO 
love a challenge.)



-- 
Over 5 decades of great hits
Full Spectrum Radio
http://fsr.jadephoenix.org 




Article: 332953 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com> <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <fe3b42l2h74hj6ce515f9j7h3s253k9n2a@4ax.com> <n-Odnbxbh5GJg9vZRVn-gw@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <2gz1g.24127$nA3.3371@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:58:06 GMT

I don't recall having this kind of problem 20 years ago. I attribute it to 
lax standards.

I just picked up some "regular" 9V Eveready batteries today for a test 
project. Hidden in the fine print - Made in China.

Funny thing is, they fit fine. They almost look like the old Japanese ones 
>from years gone by. Maybe they are using the old tooling?

They are visibly thinner than Ray-O-Vac alkalines from Malaysia.

Ray



"William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:n-Odnbxbh5GJg9vZRVn-gw@comcast.com...
> There seems to be some variation in battery size, particularly 9V 
> batteries.
>
> I have the gut feeling that some cells are slightly larger than others, 
> and
> don't always fit comfortably into flashlights.
>
> 




Article: 332954 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:17:41 GMT

AVC wrote:
> 
>    55 years ago while serving an apprenticeship in a woodworking shop I
> plugged in a belt sander some one had left on the floor with the on
> switch locked on with the button pushed in.By the time I unplugged it
> ,that sander made like a dragster [plenty of traction] and shot thru
> the wall across the room in an unhappy customer's home.


  Ok, that's a funny story, but what does it have to do with a bad
armature?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332955 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:21:46 -0400
Message-ID: <124dhgfgnlifa41@corp.supernews.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Weird tube layout- SIX 25 volt tubes and they STILL needed a ballast? 
Subbing the 12 volt versions of the six tubes in the front end would have 
allowed two parallel strings and no ballast.

John H. 




Article: 332956 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:22:42 -0400
Message-ID: <124dhi9mp0kn171@corp.supernews.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

PS- http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/366/M0014366.htm
 




Article: 332957 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com> <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <HDz1g.39785$x97.12429@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:23:19 GMT

The product safety Nazis would have a fit.

I remember _real_ chemistry sets. The ones with cool chemicals even adults 
have trouble getting now. You could even get refills at the hobby shop when 
you used up all your potassium nitrate or sulfur. Somehow the smoke, bangs, 
splatters, small burns, and stinks didn't fluster mommies back then. (Dads 
thought they were cool too and often helped with suggestions or books.) That 
all disappeared in the 70s.

No wonder kids don't have any interest in science anymore. They never get 
their hands on it and it seems remote, unreal, and probably dangerous. By 
the time they get to High School they are conditioned to hate it.

I just went out a couple of weeks ago to try to find model supplies. Nothing 
dramatic, just paints and cements and some sheet plastic. Forget it! Most of 
the formulas that actually worked are banned now. If I want them I have to 
buy them in England. If you can't drink it you can't sell it here.

Of course, people don't build models anymore. Even railroad buildings and 
cars come ready-made now.

It seems nothing we grew up playing or learning with/from is 
politically-correct anymore. Somebody raised hell and got it banned or short 
attention spans destroyed the market.

Ray


"jakdedert" <jakdedert@bellsouth.net> wrote in message 
news:HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> Rune wrote:
>> New cells vary quite a bit in size, even in the same brand sometimes.
>>
>> I've had trouble with some brands and had others fit OK. AA, C, and D 
>> have been problems. Diameter with some, length with others, and both on 
>> some.
>>
>> If you find some really old cells you'll see that most didn't have the 
>> fancy stamped bottoms - especially protruding convex ones common today - 
>> and had simple paper wrappers or labels instead of a metal shell. Some 
>> were just the outer zinc surface with a label around it. "Leakproof" 
>> batteries added a base and heavier wrapper.
>
> I remember a science project we did in 7th grade...built a D-cell from an 
> Eveready kit.  Four components: Zinc can with paper label, carbon rod with 
> metal cap (I think that cap came installed?), a powdery black mixture 
> which was the electrolyte and tar, to pot the positive end.
>
> I either didn't get enough filling, or I tamped it down too solid...didn't 
> fill the can all the way; but it produced 1.5 volts and lasted until I 
> threw it away sometime after high school (never actually used it for 
> anything practical, but it held a charge for that long).
>
> I wonder if they'd even let kids do something that practical today....
>
> jak
> 




Article: 332958 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:25:06 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e26gsi$oi2$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> 	   <QMh1g.690480$084.173169@attbi_s22> 	   <oVh1g.2826$oW1.1036@bignews1.bellsouth.net> 	   <1145471819.184072.296600@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> 	   <4446A150.2F8F7869@earthlink.net> <1145485962.730069.71000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net>

In <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:

>AVC wrote:
>> 
>>    55 years ago while serving an apprenticeship in a woodworking shop I
>> plugged in a belt sander some one had left on the floor with the on
>> switch locked on with the button pushed in.By the time I unplugged it
>> ,that sander made like a dragster [plenty of traction] and shot thru
>> the wall across the room in an unhappy customer's home.

>  Ok, that's a funny story, but what does it have to do with a bad
>armature?

   Motivation to fix the sander. :)

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 332959 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:40:47 GMT

I wonder if kids even do that anymore. My circle always wanted to know how 
things worked or what was inside.

Of course, that was before sealed plastic centipedes filled with magic 
smoke. You could get your little mind around mechanical, electrical, and 
chemical things in those days, even as a kid.

People today, even adults, have lost any understanding of the stuff around 
them. When tubes went out so did fix-it-yourself and any desire to look 
inside things for the average person.

I fixed our 3-year-old TV last week and needed to replace a torx bit that 
got lost before putting the back on it. A friend that went to the (real) 
hardware store with me mentioned I was fixing a TV and the people there were 
all in awe. When he mentioned the old radios I do they were astounded.

Not long ago these were common feats. Drug and auto supply shops had tube 
testers. Nobody would have been impressed that you got your TV or radio 
going again. Now it's an arcane skill.

Most people don't even know what is in the box they are using to get on the 
web with or what goes on under the hood of their car. It's all too scary and 
inaccessible.

How far our culture has fallen.

Ray

<shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message 
news:1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> jakdedert wrote:
>> I remember a science project we did in 7th grade...built a D-cell from
>> an Eveready kit.  Four components: Zinc can with paper label, carbon rod
>> with metal cap (I think that cap came installed?), a powdery black
>> mixture which was the electrolyte and tar, to pot the positive end.
>>
>> I either didn't get enough filling, or I tamped it down too
>> solid...didn't fill the can all the way; but it produced 1.5 volts and
>> lasted until I threw it away sometime after high school (never actually
>> used it for anything practical, but it held a charge for that long).
>>
>> I wonder if they'd even let kids do something that practical today....
>
> When I was a kid we would saw open D cells (or even better, number 6
> cells) to get the carbon rods out to use for various experiments
> (including as electrodes for arcs). That's the reverse of what you did,
> but infinitely more practical, as we couldn't buy nice carbon
> electrodes at the corner store except inside the batteries :-).
>
> Tim.
> 




Article: 332960 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:04:49 +0900
Message-ID: <e26j67$51$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>


"Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com> wrote in message 
news:3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>I wonder if kids even do that anymore. My circle always wanted to know how 
>things worked or what was inside.
>
> Of course, that was before sealed plastic centipedes filled with magic 
> smoke. You could get your little mind around mechanical, electrical, and 
> chemical things in those days, even as a kid.
>
> People today, even adults, have lost any understanding of the stuff around 
> them. When tubes went out so did fix-it-yourself and any desire to look 
> inside things for the average person.
>
> I fixed our 3-year-old TV last week and needed to replace a torx bit that 
> got lost before putting the back on it. A friend that went to the (real) 
> hardware store with me mentioned I was fixing a TV and the people there 
> were all in awe. When he mentioned the old radios I do they were 
> astounded.
>
> Not long ago these were common feats. Drug and auto supply shops had tube 
> testers. Nobody would have been impressed that you got your TV or radio 
> going again. Now it's an arcane skill.
>
> Most people don't even know what is in the box they are using to get on 
> the web with or what goes on under the hood of their car. It's all too 
> scary and inaccessible.
>
> How far our culture has fallen.
>
> Ray

Nice to see that I'm not the only one that feels this way. People marvel at 
me for knowing things that would have been common knowledge a generation 
ago. And they try to say that there has been no dumbing-down of society.





Article: 332961 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Insufficient B+
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:13:58 -0400
Message-ID: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com>

Okay, my Scott Phantom FM has come to life after 20+ years! I finished the 
test version of the repro crossover box, and got the amp working after 
replacing the 2 main 60 (sic) mfd. filters and swapping power cords so the 
newer version tuner could mate to the older version amp.
Originally I had just a tuner with no amp, speaker, crossover, or knobs. BUT 
a parts set minus crossover appeared thanks to Dennis D. and it's coming 
together 2 years later, all 28 tubes.

BUT it seems as though something in the tuner chassis drags the B+ down from 
370 to 260 once this is plugged in, this is because resistance plummets to 3 
K or so B+ to ground from a 50K on the amp side.

I usually like to get them working before starting a shotgun recap. But 
considering there are + or minus  45 wax caps in the tuner chassis, I need a 
place to start. Has anyone tried a thermal scanner, one of these no contact 
thermometers, to check which is the shorting cap? I plan to map out tonight 
which ones are right on the B+ line and replace these first. The screen 
filter can (4- 5mfd caps) doesn't seem to be the culprit as it's removed 
>from B+ behind a resistor and I floated the ground on the can with no 
effect.

HOW do you find the bad guy?

John H. 




Article: 332962 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:16:43 -0700
Message-ID: <smkd42h731ujmom8phg8he583varpr2vq9@4ax.com>
References: <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com> <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145457745.973779.37260@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145464810.834355.12670@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145466043.290886.215450@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1145489453.432113.32650@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 19 Apr 2006 16:30:53 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>10-4, thanks Pete <snip>

10-4!  ROFLMAO!


Article: 332963 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e26j67$51$1@news2.kornet.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <jpA1g.32994$cY3.820@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:16:15 GMT

At the rate things are going _reading_ is going to be a marvel to people in 
a few years.

Ray


"Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
news:e26j67$51$1@news2.kornet.net...
>
> Nice to see that I'm not the only one that feels this way. People marvel 
> at me for knowing things that would have been common knowledge a 
> generation ago. And they try to say that there has been no dumbing-down of 
> society.
>
>
> 




Article: 332964 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: MightyMite tester-LIFE test-tubes-in the meantime
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:18:25 -0700
Message-ID: <7okd42pq066vkqm02a9u7f86bo4ac8slct@4ax.com>
References: <1145185073.406604.201160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145300033.479549.119150@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145398342.240123.194130@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9Madnd36GaOAodvZRVn-ug@comcast.com> <1145455741.579925.327490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <5YudnXFhZ9KGy9vZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1145465068.502106.131860@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <rEu1g.6082$Es3.5123@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <1145489421.345441.29720@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 19 Apr 2006 16:30:21 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>And the last high end SET amp I tried, the Akai M8 blew it away in
>power and sound quality.  I ended up selling off the new SET and
>keeping the Akai ! <snip>

Noodles' idea of an "SET" was the cheesy little amp he ripped out of a
Marconi console he destroyed and parted out on fraudBay.  We're not
dealing with a room temperature IQ here, yanno...well, in Fahrenheit,
anyway.


Article: 332965 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:21:56 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e26k74$e1l$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

In <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com> writes:

>Most people don't even know what is in the box they are using to get on the 
>web with or what goes on under the hood of their car. It's all too scary and 
>inaccessible.

>How far our culture has fallen.

   Nah.  Each generation has different interests, that's all.  Whatever's
cutting-edge at the time is what's going to attract kids.  Whether it's
telegraphy, radio, television.  Nowadays there's young punks out there
who can decode TCP packets like nobody's business and understand IP
routing algorithms.  They certainly know what's going on under the hood.
It's just a different hood.  That's progress for ya.

   However, I do know what you're saying.  I feel lucky to have grown up
when kit building was still possible and in vogue (meaning it was easy to
come across cool projects).  But just because I've got fond memories of
soldering stuff together doesn't give it any moral weight.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 332966 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4446D4BD.7A385871@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:25:14 GMT

AVC wrote:
> 
>    Story was meant to be informative rather than funny since I'm sure
> the mistake of unplugging a tool with the switch locked on has led to
> both injuries and damage. I've also had a pant leg ripped almost off by
> getting it too close to my leg, They have a lot of power.


   That is why my drill press has a power switch AND a foot switch.  I'm
disabled and I don't need any injuries that won't heal.  I don't think I
have any power tools with locking power switches anymore.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332967 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4446D4F3.B51F5F06@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> 	   <QMh1g.690480$084.173169@attbi_s22> 	   <oVh1g.2826$oW1.1036@bignews1.bellsouth.net> 	   <1145471819.184072.296600@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> 	   <4446A150.2F8F7869@earthlink.net> <1145485962.730069.71000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net> <e26gsi$oi2$1@reader1.panix.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:26:07 GMT

Tim Mullen wrote:
> 
> In <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:
> 
> >  Ok, that's a funny story, but what does it have to do with a bad
> >armature?
> 
>    Motivation to fix the sander. :)


   It sounds like it ran fine, to me. ;-)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332968 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:05:11 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e26mo7$e3e$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> 	   <QMh1g.690480$084.173169@attbi_s22> 	   <oVh1g.2826$oW1.1036@bignews1.bellsouth.net> 	   <1145471819.184072.296600@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> 	   <4446A150.2F8F7869@earthlink.net> <1145485962.730069.71000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4446C4E9.ABC86BA5@earthlink.net> <e26gsi$oi2$1@reader1.panix.com> <4446D4F3.B51F5F06@earthlink.net>

In <4446D4F3.B51F5F06@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:

>   It sounds like it ran fine, to me. ;-)

   In the most literal sense! :)

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 332969 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:17:46 -0400
Message-ID: <124doa27u3rvs9d@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

Engineer wrote:


> I can't see the short with the light behind it but before I do anything
> rash that may wreck the unit is there any "tuning capacitor repair
> lore" that denizens of this august group could share with me?
> 

If its one of those 3-gang Philips like I'm thinking about you won't be 
getting a business card between the plates!

Disconnect it from the ckt and put a battery across it.  A 9 volter will 
often do the trick.  In the dark you should be able to see a little 
spark and that will tell you which plate(s) are shorting.  If you can't 
see it then up the voltage.

-Bill


Article: 332970 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <bqc1g.4141$oQ2.1299@trnddc05>   <1145394582.674850.264450@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <3fpa42tat395293ue5hm6b1tdte7jt14rn@4ax.com> <1145460830.606017.3260@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor!
Message-ID: <K4C1g.139455$0X5.1427209@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:07:00 -0400


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1145460830.606017.3260@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Skippy (MHRIP)

'You hoping or it actually happened ?

Syl 




Article: 332971 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <c0sd42l72vvk9db710bea56vb2nvsojjkr@4ax.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e26j67$51$1@news2.kornet.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:35:48 GMT

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:04:49 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
<brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote:

>Nice to see that I'm not the only one that feels this way. People marvel at 
>me for knowing things that would have been common knowledge a generation 
>ago. And they try to say that there has been no dumbing-down of society.

I was reading an AP article in the local paper here a while back about
how cookbook editors are having to dumb-down cookbooks. Can't just say
"beat two eggs" now. The idiots who only know how to shove plastic
cartons in a microwave and punch a few buttons need to be told much
more explicitly how to go about beating two eggs.

And my mother, who used to work at one of the local high schools tells
me that many of the kids there couldn't tell time on an analog clock.

se





Article: 332972 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: EH Scott Crossover Question
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:37:35 -0400
Message-ID: <124dsvli1p04cf6@corp.supernews.com>

The first generation of the Scott Phantom FM/AM (12" woofer and 2 4" 
tweeters) used a 2,000 Hz crossover, the second generation a 6,000. Why such 
a big jump? It doesn't seem like the tweeters would do anything except on FM 
with the 6 K crossover, but clearly they added it as an improvement. I ask 
because I am in the process of repro'ing the crossover now (a 2nd order 
Butterworth design).

Thanks,
John H. 




Article: 332973 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:59:18 GMT

Rune wrote:


> Most people don't even know what is in the box they are using to get on the 
> web with or what goes on under the hood of their car. It's all too scary and 
> inaccessible.
> 
> How far our culture has fallen.

Interesting comments...but has "our culture fallen" or is it that our 
technology has greatly improved?????

Also, you talk about "most people". "Most people" never knew how to fix 
radios even in the 30s. But there were always a *few* people that *did* 
know how to fix stuff--back then AND today.

...or are you suggesting we should reject improvements /progress and 
become Luddites just so we can buy a 5U4 at the drug store again?    ;-)


Article: 332974 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: EH Scott Crossover Question
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:03:54 -0700
Message-ID: <ddud42lscst9v5tbr4uq9g5b1oasuc7ivk@4ax.com>
References: <124dsvli1p04cf6@corp.supernews.com>

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:37:35 -0400, "Hagstar"
<yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote:

>The first generation of the Scott Phantom FM/AM (12" woofer and 2 4" 
>tweeters) used a 2,000 Hz crossover, the second generation a 6,000. Why such 
>a big jump? It doesn't seem like the tweeters would do anything except on FM 
>with the 6 K crossover, but clearly they added it as an improvement. I ask 
>because I am in the process of repro'ing the crossover now (a 2nd order 
>Butterworth design). <snip>

6 KHz is the super-tweeter xover realm.  Why they'd do this is hard to
say, but I suspect maybe they were burning out tweeters.  That high's
simply TOO high for a 12" driver to cover at all without beaming and
distorting the upper end of its output.  I'd go back to 2 KHz.  What
are they using for tweeters?


Article: 332975 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:34:10 GMT


I'm wondering if anybody knows of any circuit board manufacturers who
are still producing circuit boards using the old brown XXP phenolic
laminate.

I've talked to about a dozen board manufacturers and so far none of
them even know what XXP phenolic is. I know someone is still doing it
because you can find prototyping boards made from it. For example this
one sold by Ocean State Electronics:

http://www.oselectronics.com/Images/pg_48/22-504.jpg

I have an EMail in to them asking if they would be willing to divulge
their supplier so I might be able to work my way up the chain and find
out who's making it but haven't heard back from them yet.

Any help appreciated.

se




Article: 332976 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:16:31 -0400
Message-ID: <124dv8l5qq0s93@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <124doa27u3rvs9d@corp.supernews.com> <1145500466.353891.220220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Engineer wrote:


> mixer grid, by-passing the RF stage.  Hate to do things like that,
> though.   
> Cheers,
> Roger

I'd hate to see ya do it too, Roger.  It should be fixable.  Did you 
check the obvious outer plates?  They are usually the first to get bent 
in some way.
-Bill


Article: 332977 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:24:37 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>

In <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net> writes:

>Interesting comments...but has "our culture fallen" or is it that our 
>technology has greatly improved?????

   Definitely the latter.  Have we "lost something"?  Oh, I suppose.
Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things, and will
civilization collapse because of it?  I don't think do.

   The example of kids not knowing how to read an analog clock was
also brought up, and is a favorite.  Well, what of it?  Certainly
there are still many places today where not being able to "tell time"
in this manner will be a handicap (I have lots of analog clocks around
my house -- synchronous motor driven, no less), but that's becoming
less and less the case.  Digital clocks work better.  I use analog
clocks solely becuase I like 'em and think they're beautiful.

   It's not like analog clocks are somehow salt-of-the-earth.  They're
human inventions, and have only been around several hundred years.
Few people are conversant with sundials, either.  This doesn't mean
"clockwise" no longer has any bearing.  It's still a useful term for
anything involving rotation.  The fact that some people don't know
what it means is no more relevant than people (probably the same ones)
not knowing their left from their right.

>Also, you talk about "most people". "Most people" never knew how to fix 
>radios even in the 30s. But there were always a *few* people that *did* 
>know how to fix stuff--back then AND today.

   Amen.  Very few people can make their own clothing anymore,
including me.  I buy my jeans at a store.  That works for me.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 332978 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <Tmq1g.83485$Jh1.1183606@weber.videotron.net> <jbyrns-1904062144350001@216-80-74-141.d.enteract.com>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Message-ID: <wwD1g.140532$0X5.1480525@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:48:53 -0400

"John Byrns"  wrote in message

> Hi Syl,
>
> Why doesn't anyone here seem to be able to count, there are 12 tubes in
> this radio, including the eye tube, but _not_ including the ballast!  The
> tube line up is:

Hi John,

My fault came from quickly counting tubes from the chassis drawing. I never 
looked at
the tube count from the parts list which is absent from the link I provided 
(if it's
there, it's friggin tiny). If you look at the chassis drawing from the link, 
a quick look counting
the circles with tube numbers "inside" them is confusing. _Now_ I see the 
other 6SK7 under the eye tube drawing.

I will be more cautious next time, knowing you are around watching
for a mis-step (or mis-count)...

I know of at least one manufacturer which upped it's tube count by including 
_many_ ballasts,
so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody else did.

Syl 




Article: 332979 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:53:52 -0400
Message-ID: <124e1enopkef52f@corp.supernews.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com>

Steve Eddy wrote:


> I have an EMail in to them asking if they would be willing to divulge
> their supplier so I might be able to work my way up the chain and find
> out who's making it but haven't heard back from them yet.

It takes divine intervention to get a reply from OSE.

XX phenolic board is still very plentiful but I can't say I've seen it 
copper clad in quite some time.  There's a lot of Cheap Phenolic board 
in imported consumer products but nothing of XX Grade.

GL in your search.  Best bet might be watching ebay to see if some old 
stock pops up.

-Bill


Article: 332980 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "DAVID STINSON" <d.stinson5@verizon.net>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Message-ID: <55E1g.6404$oQ2.2533@trnddc05>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:27:45 GMT


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message

> I usually like to get them working before starting a shotgun recap. But
> considering there are + or minus  45 wax caps in the tuner chassis, I need
a
> place to start....

I don't know about this set, but in most you can take a look at the
diagram and find "branch points:" places were the B+ is being
distributed in different directions.  Lift each "branch" one at a time
and see if your load goes away.  Some load will go, of course,
but you'll be looking for a big change.  Once you isolate the
"branch" that's got the leak, it's a lot easier to find the boogy.
It's worked for me many times- hope it works for you.
73 Dave S.




Article: 332981 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "DAVID STINSON" <d.stinson5@verizon.net>
References: <bqc1g.4141$oQ2.1299@trnddc05>   <1145394582.674850.264450@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <3fpa42tat395293ue5hm6b1tdte7jt14rn@4ax.com> <1145460830.606017.3260@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor!
Message-ID: <_lE1g.223$iA5.133@trnddc06>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:45:46 GMT


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote

> Stinson & Clones: ....
You know,- he's still being nice, because it's better
to be a bad architype than a good cypher.
Everyone remembers the Roman soldier with the spear.

A nice Peter--  Hmm...
I'll just have to get used to it ;-).
D.S.




Article: 332982 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <on5e4216gmmm9fmtd91eegtenjkqv0b1su@4ax.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <u6OdnQVKVN1emNrZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:11:29 GMT

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:53:33 -0500, "g. beat" <@<spam protected>>
wrote:

>Steve -
>
>Look at what DIY tube has been doing - quality boards.
>http://www.diytube.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=773
>
>IT LOOKS just like phenolic, BUT it is actually a fiberglass board 
>(non-green) - top quality.

Thanks.

Though while it doesn't look green, it also doesn't look like brown
phenolic. Either it's a really bad photograph or their "Phenolike"  is
just a plain black solder mask. The traces look rather dark brown
through the mask, but the board itself looks quite black to me which
isn't what I was looking for.

se




Article: 332983 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <f16e429musmns1qm3frj6kmju196ojp8tu@4ax.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <124e1enopkef52f@corp.supernews.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:15:06 GMT

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:53:52 -0400, - exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote:

>Steve Eddy wrote:
>
>
>> I have an EMail in to them asking if they would be willing to divulge
>> their supplier so I might be able to work my way up the chain and find
>> out who's making it but haven't heard back from them yet.
>
>It takes divine intervention to get a reply from OSE.

Hehehe. Yeah, I probably should have just called them. I'll do that if
I don't have a reply from them in the morning.

>XX phenolic board is still very plentiful but I can't say I've seen it 
>copper clad in quite some time.  There's a lot of Cheap Phenolic board 
>in imported consumer products but nothing of XX Grade.

Yeah. The only time I see it is when it's already been etched and
drilled for proto boards like the ones OSE sells.


>GL in your search.  Best bet might be watching ebay to see if some old 
>stock pops up.

Thanks. That may ultimately be the last resort if I can't find a
current supplier.

se





Article: 332984 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "HiTech RedNeck" <hitechCOLOR-OF-BLOODneck@ameritech.net>
References: <1145301291.138845.301800@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <lGZ0g.2665$Lm5.1840@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com> <1145381868.897077.158290@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: stepping down gracefully
Message-ID: <RBF1g.12712$4L1.10470@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:10:57 GMT


"ablebravo" <aburnham@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1145381868.897077.158290@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> okay.  i understand that.  thanks.  i was thinking if the consumption
> could be 30w you would need something rated for that.  tranny is 50va,
> and the watts/va converter i could find put that about the right va for
> 30w.  somewhat overkill, but not a lot.  like everything else i find
> out about radios/electronics there actually seems to be some debate
> regarding the conversion factor ;-)

Try putting the 100 ohm 10 watt resistor in the secondary circuit (in SERIES
with secondary, not in PARALLEL).  Should solve your problem.




Article: 332985 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "HiTech RedNeck" <hitechCOLOR-OF-BLOODneck@ameritech.net>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com> <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <HDz1g.39785$x97.12429@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <KIF1g.12713$4L1.5204@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:18:18 GMT


"Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com> wrote in message
news:HDz1g.39785$x97.12429@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...

> No wonder kids don't have any interest in science anymore. They never get
> their hands on it and it seems remote, unreal, and probably dangerous. By
> the time they get to High School they are conditioned to hate it.

I went to the website of a school science supply company and read their
safety recommendations concerning an experiment using... tada... water and
epsom salt.  You'da thought it was sulfuric acid.




Article: 332986 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "HiTech RedNeck" <hitechCOLOR-OF-BLOODneck@ameritech.net>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Message-ID: <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:04:19 GMT


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
news:124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com...

>  Has anyone tried a thermal scanner, one of these no contact
> thermometers, to check which is the shorting cap?

This might be using a cannon on a fly.  Use your ohmmeter, after having bled
off your B+ capacitors and removing the tubes.  If ohmmeter says something
under one ohm it's definitely shorted :-/




Article: 332987 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "HiTech RedNeck" <hitechCOLOR-OF-BLOODneck@ameritech.net>
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <124doa27u3rvs9d@corp.supernews.com> <1145500466.353891.220220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
Message-ID: <dyG1g.67760$H71.18288@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:15:21 GMT


"Engineer" <analogdino@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1145500466.353891.220220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Bill, you're right - no room for even a thin business card, these are
> **very** close plates.
> I had notions of using a low voltage souce to detect the short, even
> using a high current source to "singe" the high spot in some way but,
> as I said, I don't want to totally wreck it.

Maybe there's a speck of something like carbon or a metal shaving or bit of
solder in there.  Try flushing it out with a residue free cleaner while
completely open.

I'd be wary of hanging a battery right across the cap like someone
suggested, you might kill the battery before you can find the short, or you
might weld the spot making the problem worse.   Use something current
limited like a light bulb in series with 120 volt line.  Start with small
light bulb like a 7 watt Christmas tree bulb and increase gradually in
wattage till you can see the spark.

Would a sheet of emery paper fit in there?  That might be useful for
"sanding away" the short once you find it.




Article: 332988 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:41:38 GMT

Tim Mullen wrote:
> 
> In <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net> writes:
> 
> >Interesting comments...but has "our culture fallen" or is it that our
> >technology has greatly improved?????
> 
>    Definitely the latter.  Have we "lost something"?  Oh, I suppose.
> Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things, and will
> civilization collapse because of it?  I don't think do.
> 
>    The example of kids not knowing how to read an analog clock was
> also brought up, and is a favorite.  Well, what of it?  Certainly
> there are still many places today where not being able to "tell time"
> in this manner will be a handicap (I have lots of analog clocks around
> my house -- synchronous motor driven, no less), but that's becoming
> less and less the case.  Digital clocks work better.  I use analog
> clocks solely becuase I like 'em and think they're beautiful.
> 
>    It's not like analog clocks are somehow salt-of-the-earth.  They're
> human inventions, and have only been around several hundred years.
> Few people are conversant with sundials, either.  This doesn't mean
> "clockwise" no longer has any bearing.  It's still a useful term for
> anything involving rotation.  The fact that some people don't know
> what it means is no more relevant than people (probably the same ones)
> not knowing their left from their right.
> 
> >Also, you talk about "most people". "Most people" never knew how to fix
> >radios even in the 30s. But there were always a *few* people that *did*
> >know how to fix stuff--back then AND today.
> 
>    Amen.  Very few people can make their own clothing anymore,
> including me.  I buy my jeans at a store.  That works for me.


   There were a lot of people who couldn't read analog clocks 30 years
ago.  I designed a digital master clock system in the '70s and couldn't
sell it because their fear that people wouldn't learn to read analog
clocks if they didn't see them at school.

   Some people even had to have male and female threads explained to
them. :(


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332989 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:43:28 GMT

HiTech RedNeck wrote:
> 
> "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
> news:124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com...
> 
> >  Has anyone tried a thermal scanner, one of these no contact
> > thermometers, to check which is the shorting cap?
> 
> This might be using a cannon on a fly.  Use your ohmmeter, after having bled
> off your B+ capacitors and removing the tubes.  If ohmmeter says something
> under one ohm it's definitely shorted :-/


   What kind of power supply would allow him to have 230 volts across a
dead short?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332990 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44473BE2.9A53831A@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <55E1g.6404$oQ2.2533@trnddc05>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:45:22 GMT

DAVID STINSON wrote:
> 
> "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
> 
> > I usually like to get them working before starting a shotgun recap. But
> > considering there are + or minus  45 wax caps in the tuner chassis, I need
> a
> > place to start....
> 
> I don't know about this set, but in most you can take a look at the
> diagram and find "branch points:" places were the B+ is being
> distributed in different directions.  Lift each "branch" one at a time
> and see if your load goes away.  Some load will go, of course,
> but you'll be looking for a big change.  Once you isolate the
> "branch" that's got the leak, it's a lot easier to find the boogy.
> It's worked for me many times- hope it works for you.
> 73 Dave S.


   This is one step in the logical troubleshooting of a problem.  When
you've honed these skills, troubleshooting is a lot faster and easier. 
I've taught it for 30 years, to those who will listen.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332991 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "HiTech RedNeck" <hitechCOLOR-OF-BLOODneck@ameritech.net>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Message-ID: <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:51:18 GMT


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net...
> HiTech RedNeck wrote:
> >
> > "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
> > news:124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > >  Has anyone tried a thermal scanner, one of these no contact
> > > thermometers, to check which is the shorting cap?
> >
> > This might be using a cannon on a fly.  Use your ohmmeter, after having
bled
> > off your B+ capacitors and removing the tubes.  If ohmmeter says
something
> > under one ohm it's definitely shorted :-/
>
>
>    What kind of power supply would allow him to have 230 volts across a
> dead short?

Could be an indirect effect, such as a grid being pulled way positive due to
shorted cap from a plate to that grid, which would suck down the B+ both due
to current thru the shorted cap and the grid, and the plate current of the
tube whose grid is thus affected.




Article: 332992 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44473E8C.221D7E7C@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:56:45 GMT

Steve Eddy wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering if anybody knows of any circuit board manufacturers who
> are still producing circuit boards using the old brown XXP phenolic
> laminate.
> 
> I've talked to about a dozen board manufacturers and so far none of
> them even know what XXP phenolic is. I know someone is still doing it
> because you can find prototyping boards made from it. For example this
> one sold by Ocean State Electronics:
> 
> http://www.oselectronics.com/Images/pg_48/22-504.jpg
> 
> I have an EMail in to them asking if they would be willing to divulge
> their supplier so I might be able to work my way up the chain and find
> out who's making it but haven't heard back from them yet.
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> se


   You might have to buy it from China.  They are still dumping cheap
consumer electronics built with it on the American market.

   BTW, have you checked the online version of the EEM cataloging?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 332993 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com>
Subject: Duh!  Earthlink found the problem!
Message-ID: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:55:54 GMT

I got a phone call at 11:00 last night -- it was an Earthlink tech who was 
assigned by corporate to fix my problem.

What was it?  Drum roll please . . .

Newsgroup access was turned off!  When signing up, the server sets up 
"permissions" for accessing e-mail, the web, DSL, etc.  When Truevoice gets 
activated, sometimes this automatically shuts off the permission for Usenet. 
All a tech needs to do is turn it back on!  Everybody should know this, even 
those guys in India.

So why did it take some 30 phone calls, a month of non-service, and a call 
to corporate?  They're investigating.  Meanwhile I'm still down, sort of, as 
it takes 24 hours to restore service.  However he noticed (another duh!) 
that I have a secondary address, with mindspring instead of cybergate.  If I 
sign on using mindspring, it works.

He also told me he would straighten out the equipment problem, and that I'll 
get "compensation" for the whole mess.

My God!  How hard is THAT?  Sheesh!


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 332994 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: John Bartley <oldrad@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: OT: schematic for a tube code practice oscillator
References: <e279t4$9sdt$1@news3.infoave.net>
Message-ID: <RRJ1g.2127$DR6.158246@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:01:06 -0400

Benjamaniac wrote:
>      I'm looking for a schematic of a tube type code practice oscillator to
> build for my daughter. Sounds like a fun project to build. Anybody have a
> schematic of one of there ??
>            Ben
> 
> 


Ben,

Try the back of the RCA tube manuals. They usually have sample circuits 
in a section there and there's often a simple oscillator. If you don;t 
have such a book, let me know and I'll scan one for you.

cheers


-- 
regards from ::

John Bartley
43 Norway Spruce Street
Stittsville, Ontario
Canada, K2S1P5

( If you slow down it takes longer
        - does that apply to life also?)


Article: 332995 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:24:41 -0400
Message-ID: <124erru6bdh0b94@corp.supernews.com>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>

Sorry, guys, I'm an idiot. Turns out the massive load on this huge sets DOES 
draw the B+ down to 250 volts. The  power supply puts out 400+ volts, but 
the specs clearly call for 250 at the top of the voltage divider.

I've *never* seen a set with the B+ dropping so much undere load, so I 
assumed something was shorted and it's not ! Sorry!

John H. 




Article: 332996 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Repairing TO carcass and...
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:51:38 +0900
Message-ID: <e27sjg$f6d$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net>


"Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
news:e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net...
> thinking of making it into a radio again. Anyone got spare H500 parts? I 
> would need to eventually find a case, both antennas, and knobs. All I have 
> is this poor, beat up chassis that I am slowly bringing back to life (I DO 
> love a challenge.)


Finished recapping this carcass tonight.. all but the two that are buried 
under the BCB LO coil.. and it really sounds great now... best audio I have 
ever heard on a TO, and it's not even in a cabinet. Now I just need to work 
on getting the rest of the bands working.. as of now it's got a really hot 
BCB and 4-8 MHz bands.. nothing on the rest, I figure the coil tower is in 
drastic need of a cleansing.





Article: 332997 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com>
Subject: Sarasota Swap Meet -- this Saturday
Message-ID: <ddL1g.3645$An2.977@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:34:17 GMT

Just a reminder -- the Sarasota Antique Radio Club Show And Swap Meet is 
this Saturday.  Doors open at 8:00 AM, will run till about 11:00 AM.

>From that truckload of stuff we picked up in February, we will have four 
carloads and a pickup-load of stuff for sale at the meet.  Assorted table 
radios, some 1920's bandbox radios, lots of early TV schematics, a few early 
TV's, a wire recorder, several phonos both bakelite and wood, lots of 78 rpm 
records, and LOTS of assorted stuff!  Trust me; we don't want to fill our 
vehicles again!

It is at the Knights of Columbus on Fruitville Road in Sarasota.  From out 
of town, take I-75 to Exit 210, Fruitville Road.  Head west toward town. 
Once you pass the shopping centers, get in the left lane, and when you see a 
KFC, put your blinker on.  The Knights of Columbus is right after.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 332998 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: nospam4me@mytrashmail.com
Subject: Re: How vinyl records are made on YouTube
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:20 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e2809s$rp4$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145522136.073707.259080@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

Steven <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=forwardbound

> Just added recently, pretty interesting but no explosives

> (just vinyl getting SQUISHED by presses)

Note they use the "metal" pulled from the lacquer master as the stamper;
suggests low volume as I believe you only get 1,000 good records from a 
stamper.

-- 
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 Herb Oxley
 From: address IS Valid.


Article: 332999 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Duh!  Earthlink found the problem!
Message-ID: <jXL1g.434$U%4.34273@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:23:37 -0400

"Gary Tayman"  wrote in message

>I got a phone call at 11:00 last night -- it was an Earthlink tech who was 
>assigned by corporate to fix my problem.

Dod they read R.A.R+P ?

Syl 




Article: 333000 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "David Stinson" <d.stinson5@verizon.net>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <124erru6bdh0b94@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Message-ID: <K0M1g.11$4D2.0@trnddc01>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:29:14 GMT


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
> I've *never* seen a set with the B+ dropping so much undere load, so I
> assumed something was shorted and it's not !

You know that's got to be hard on the componants, too.
Reminds me of the Euro radios that run 350 and more volts
on a simple consumer set.  Bad idea, I think.
D.S.




Article: 333001 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Frank Dresser" <analogdial@worldnet.att.net>
References: <1145301291.138845.301800@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <9KT0g.15028$IZ2.11853@dukeread07> <1145382122.912509.287880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: stepping down gracefully
Message-ID: <ahM1g.25308$az4.13974@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:46:46 GMT


"ablebravo" <aburnham@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1145382122.912509.287880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> gread idea-- yes (see below) did that, but don't know enough to be sure
> that the supplied voltage this way is sufficient.  it's 98v when the
> minimum called for is 105 w/max of 125.
> ab
>

Only your heater string would be below Hallicrafter's minimum, which might
make the radio underperform with marginal emission tubes.  The rectifier
will charge the input filter capacitor to something close to the peak of the
AC wave form which ought to give more B+ than what you'd get with 105V DC,
assuming the rectifier tube had adaquate emission.

If the radio with the transformer in step down mode still works OK with 105
volts AC on the line, I'd be satisfied.

Frank Dresser




Article: 333002 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com>
Subject: Kutztown - Where to stay?
Message-ID: <miM1g.4$5q4.1@trndny03>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:48:02 GMT

I went last year and stayed at a ....seedy.....motel in town that double 
billed my AmEx (hopefully an innocent error).  Does anyone have a suggestion 
on motels in the area?  Where did Paris stay when she was there?

Thanks,

Paul P.





Article: 333003 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:43:10 -0600
Message-ID: <13577-44478FEE-226@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net>
References: <K0M1g.11$4D2.0@trnddc01>

Back to finding a bad cap that has partly shorted ...power up Monitor B+
then clip one lead of each cap one at a time then tack it back with
solder if you are replacing them later .



Article: 333004 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <124doa27u3rvs9d@corp.supernews.com>   <1145500466.353891.220220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <dyG1g.67760$H71.18288@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <1145537679.004569.69130@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <CsM1g.5528$WA3.4996@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:58:58 GMT

The problem with this capacitor is the very small plate spacing.
You should try using a jewelers eye loupe, at least a 10X one and
do a close physical inspection of the plates. Both  open and
closed. Look for a shiny spot where they were touching. A good
directed light source is a must for this. But it's not any more
difficult than looking for delaminated plating on surface mount
chip components.

Jeff

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the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
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under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333005 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How vinyl records are made on YouTube
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:43:28 -0700
Message-ID: <8e7f429evbgsjp3p7b0kv2e0i1oko8noq6@4ax.com>
References: <1145522136.073707.259080@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <e2809s$rp4$1@reader1.panix.com>

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:20 +0000 (UTC), nospam4me@mytrashmail.com
wrote:

>Steven <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=forwardbound
>
>> Just added recently, pretty interesting but no explosives
>
>> (just vinyl getting SQUISHED by presses)
>
>Note they use the "metal" pulled from the lacquer master as the stamper;
>suggests low volume as I believe you only get 1,000 good records from a 
>stamper. <snip>

FAR less than that.  If you got 500 "clean" vinyl copies from one
stamper, you were VERY lucky.  Most schlock released in the late '70s
and up to the end, loaded with malformations and "ticks and pops" were
run that far, but good LPs never came from such an overused stamper.


Article: 333006 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Duh!  Earthlink found the problem!
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:48:45 -0400
Message-ID: <124f7qii29v0e06@corp.supernews.com>
References: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <jXL1g.434$U%4.34273@weber.videotron.net>

Syl wrote:
> "Gary Tayman"  wrote in message
> 
> 
>>I got a phone call at 11:00 last night -- it was an Earthlink tech who was 
>>assigned by corporate to fix my problem.
> 
> 
> Dod they read R.A.R+P ?
> 
> Syl 
> 
> 
No, they can't access Usenet.
:)

-Bill


Article: 333007 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Duh! Earthlink found the problem!
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:23:10 -0500
Message-ID: <20789-4447A75E-182@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145545936.688263.226670@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

I access Usenet even with my po old dumb Philips Magnavox Mat 976 webtv
unit.How dumb is that?
By the way,for computer drivers updates,stuff like that.Check out
www.driveragent.com
cuhulin 



Article: 333008 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4447AB67.CEAB137C@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:41:17 GMT

"shoppa@trailing-edge.com" wrote:
> 
> Rune wrote:
> > Not long ago these were common feats. Drug and auto supply shops had tube
> > testers. Nobody would have been impressed that you got your TV or radio
> > going again. Now it's an arcane skill.
> 
> When I got started, the old-timers made fun of me because I could go to
> the local electronics store and buy resistors and capacitor off the
> shelf.
> 
> When they were getting started, they turned their own terminals on a
> lathe, wound their own capacitors with foil and paper and wax, and cut
> the rotors and stators of their variable caps out of pie tins. I had it
> "easy" and was a newbie who didn't understand what the real world was
> like.


   I have a couple rolls of metalized mylar and a roll of component lead
>from the plant Sprague closed in Orlando.  Want to "roll your own"? ;-)

 
> Admittedly these comparisons are commonly with a certain amount of
> hyperbole ("When I was a kid I had to walk uphil to school both ways",
> "When I was a kid I lived in a cardboard box and my dad killed me every
> day" etc.) and I can only wonder what it'll be like in another twenty
> years - "When I was a kid we had could decode TCP/IP packets by putting
> our tongue in the Cisco router socket"!
> 
> Tim.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333009 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4447AC0C.BFF428F2@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:44:02 GMT

HiTech RedNeck wrote:
> 
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net...
> > HiTech RedNeck wrote:
> > >
> > > "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > >  Has anyone tried a thermal scanner, one of these no contact
> > > > thermometers, to check which is the shorting cap?
> > >
> > > This might be using a cannon on a fly.  Use your ohmmeter, after having
> bled
> > > off your B+ capacitors and removing the tubes.  If ohmmeter says
> something
> > > under one ohm it's definitely shorted :-/
> >
> >
> >    What kind of power supply would allow him to have 230 volts across a
> > dead short?
> 
> Could be an indirect effect, such as a grid being pulled way positive due to
> shorted cap from a plate to that grid, which would suck down the B+ both due
> to current thru the shorted cap and the grid, and the plate current of the
> tube whose grid is thus affected.


   It was a rhetorical question.  If its "Shorted" there would be zero
ohms, and you can not get a 250 volt drop across a dead short.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333010 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Telefunken 5384W
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:56:40 -0500
Message-ID: <20789-4447AF38-186@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <C06CF6CC.44940%jmsent2@comcast.net>

I own a Telefunken Opus 7 radio similar to that radio.I bought it for
four dollars at a Goodwill store about ten years ago.My Telefunken Opus
7 radio is in very good to excellent physical and cosmetic condition and
it has the original knobs and has all of the tubes.The cabinet is a dark
black color and the speakers grills on the radio's sides are set at an
angle.There is an envelope glued to the inside of the rear panel of the
radio,inside of the envelope is a paper schematic of the radio.There
wasen't a power cord with the radio.I once read somewhere that I need a
polarized power cord for the radio,otherwise,I dont know if the radio
works or not.I once checked tubesandmore.com,but I didn't see a toll
free phone number at that website.

I also own a Grundig (I believe Telefunken built that Grunndig radio)
AM/FM/Shortwave/Phonograph wooden cabinet floor model radio,which I
believe, according to a date I saw in one of the two owners/operating
booklets dates to 1957.The radio does work,but it doesn't put out much
sound/audio.I bought that radio for fourteen dollars at the same
Goodwill store about twelve years ago.The radio is in good physical and
cosmetic condition and also has the original knobs and tubes.
I agree,when Grundig moved to China,those Chinese built Grundig radios
turned into crap. 
cuhulin



Article: 333011 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Kutztown - Where to stay?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:58:46 -0500
Message-ID: <20790-4447AFB6-46@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145543534.954487.291810@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

The Kutztown space alien ship.
cuhulin



Article: 333012 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT:  Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:18:40 -0500
Message-ID: <20789-4447B460-191@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

I own a lot of old,old,old hand tools and some old power tools.I love to
collect all kinds of old,old,old things.
I know how to clean them up (mineral spirits) and replace the power
cords and brushes,but alas and alack,that is about all I know how to do
with them.I dont doubt Flanagan's electric (commercial and industial)
tools sales and service company here in Jackson can repair whatever
kinds of power tools.But they probally would also tell me it would cost
more than they are worth.Those hand tools and power tools back in those
years really had style and charm and charisma and chracter,just like my
1914 Model T Ford car has. 
cuhulin



Article: 333013 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "David Stinson" <d.stinson5@verizon.net>
Subject: Cute Novelty Radio  (FA, Not Mine)
Message-ID: <owP1g.2273$gt.646@trnddc04>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:27:48 GMT

This is kinda cute, in an ugly sorta way:

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ6620396539

Cheap, too.




Article: 333014 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:44:30 -0400
Message-ID: <124fi45icfu9737@corp.supernews.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <Tmq1g.83485$Jh1.1183606@weber.videotron.net> <jbyrns-1904062144350001@216-80-74-141.d.enteract.com> <wwD1g.140532$0X5.1480525@wagner.videotron.net> <kdmdnR67P8dBktrZRVn-gw@comcast.com> <DrO1g.72865$dW3.26645@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> <CbGdnZwAO6tkX9rZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Mark Oppat wrote:

> you're not kidding, Larry.  They should've marketed that set as a space
> heater!
> 
> You wonder,  WHY load up the set with tubes that do nothing much....  since
> those tubes cost money too, and the associated sockets, etc...  seems like
> little savings in the manufacturing end.   To what result?  A ruined
> reputation and a poor performing radio (if you were expecting 10 or 11 tube
> performance!)
> 
> Mark Oppat

The 1129 is an 8 tube circuit.  Yes, I suppose they could have combined 
the detector+1st audio with a 75 instead of using two separate 76s...but 
apart from that everything else is justified.  Push-pull audio so it 
'needs' a phase inverter.
Aside from the creative marketing surrounding the 11 'tubes', is there 
any reason that it would run any hotter than any other 8 tube set?  Same 
amount of juice is being dissipated whether it be by a ballast or 
dropping resistor or even a power xfmr.

-Bill


Article: 333015 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <jXL1g.434$U%4.34273@weber.videotron.net> <124f7qii29v0e06@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Duh!  Earthlink found the problem!
Message-ID: <0QP1g.461$U%4.57116@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:48:54 -0400

"- exray -" <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message 
news:124f7qii29v0e06@corp.supernews.com...
> Syl wrote:
>> "Gary Tayman"  wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>I got a phone call at 11:00 last night -- it was an Earthlink tech who 
>>>was assigned by corporate to fix my problem.
>>
>>
>> Dod they read R.A.R+P ?
>>
>> Syl
> No, they can't access Usenet.
> :)
>
> -Bill


Thanks for the laugh....

Syl 




Article: 333016 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:21:51 -0500
Message-ID: <20789-4447D13F-205@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145485962.730069.71000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

I have an old belt sander that is mounted on a floor stand.It has a
G.E.Motor on it.I bought it years ago at the Salvation Army thrift store
for about six dollars.I didn't realize the motor was full of sawdust
when I plugged it in.It ran ok for a few seconds though.No big problem
though,I have some real good electric motors here.
cuhulin 



Article: 333017 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <5ttf42t178boddg2uljsptdcdpe9nshbe6@4ax.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <65O1g.72860$dW3.50852@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:07:18 GMT

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:50:26 GMT, Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
wrote:

>Just curious as to why you would want it...IIRC, some of that stuff was 
>hygroscopic (absorbs water) and would tend to warp.

You really wanna know? Largely for aesthetics. :)

Though while the X and XX stuff was qiute hygroscopic, the XP and XXP
material is much less so from what I understand. And technically, the
dielectric constant of XXP (or FR-2) is actually slightly better than
FR-4 glass epoxy.

se





Article: 333018 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <p0uf42h4aovqdqct43cmrmd1pcon9d0d9g@4ax.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <1145536748.834794.313670@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:10:48 GMT

On 20 Apr 2006 05:39:08 -0700, "Terry S" <tschw10117@aol.com> wrote:

>The reason you don't see it much anymore is that it doesn't meet
>current standards for flammability. Everyone has gone to FR-4 or a
>similar newer substrate.
>
>You likely couldn't get a UL listing using any of the old circuit board
>materials like XXP or G10.

Actually FR-2 would be ok with me as well. That's a fire retardant
version of XXP. But I can't even find anyone doing that. One place
that actually included FR-2 as among the materials that they make
circuit boards from on their website wrote me back and said they
couldn't find any.

Ah well. So much for being a Luddite. :)

se




Article: 333019 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Steve Eddy <steve@q-audio.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Message-ID: <47uf42t6veesppbrccckr9umrk2fh4pm40@4ax.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <44473E8C.221D7E7C@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:14:39 GMT

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:56:45 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


>   You might have to buy it from China.  They are still dumping cheap
>consumer electronics built with it on the American market.

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of and what I REALLY wanted to avoid. 

>   BTW, have you checked the online version of the EEM cataloging?

Yes. Didn't have any luck. Which wasn't surprising as their printed
catalog never really had much listed in it in the way of circuit board
substrates anyway.

se




Article: 333020 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 592 ringer
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:17:25 -0700
Message-ID: <vltf42ldovi97sgpdeoljgjjgi4nbkc41r@4ax.com>
References: <1145562761.572387.63080@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 20 Apr 2006 12:52:41 -0700, "pattyb" <pbetterly@gmail.com> wrote:

>I just purchased a Western Electric 592 aw extension ringer and I'm
>having trouble getting it to work. The connection block is labeled e bc
>k r. Can anyone tell me how to wire this? <snip>

That's the garden variety "loud" ringer used for decades...very common
in Bell companies.  My fading memory of those tells me that wiring tip
to R and ring to E should allow it to pick off the 105 VPDC off the
loop and have it ring properly.  The "ringer equivalency" will be
around 1.6A, as I remember those oldies.

>Do I need any other parts besides the bell? <snip>

Connects right across the subscriber loop; no other subset parts
necessary.


Article: 333021 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken <wklwns@cox.net>
Subject: Re: How vinyl records are made on YouTube
References: <1145522136.073707.259080@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <1XS1g.1862$fG3.164@dukeread09>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:20:56 -0400

How do you get the video? Where is the go gettie button? Ken

Steven wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=forwardbound
> 
> Just added recently, pretty interesting but no explosives
> 
> (just vinyl getting SQUISHED by presses)
> 



Article: 333022 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <ddL1g.3645$An2.977@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Sarasota Swap Meet -- this Saturday
Message-ID: <EUS1g.8852$7u6.6518@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:18:28 GMT


Gary Tayman <gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:ddL1g.3645$An2.977@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...

> some 1920's bandbox radios,

I'm kind of new to this, what is a "1920's bandbox radio"???

Ron





Article: 333023 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark S" <mshucks2@earthlink.net>
References: <miM1g.4$5q4.1@trndny03>
Subject: Re: Kutztown - Where to stay?
Message-ID: <%yT1g.9424$i41.8504@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:03:39 GMT


"Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com> wrote in message 
news:miM1g.4$5q4.1@trndny03...
>I went last year and stayed at a ....seedy.....motel in town that double 
>billed my AmEx (hopefully an innocent error).  Does anyone have a 
>suggestion on motels in the area?  Where did Paris stay when she was there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul P.
>
Hi Paul,
The Renninger's web site has a few choices, follow the website 
"accomodations" link. You might want to check out the Bed & Breakfast 
choices as well, out in PA Dutch Country they can be pretty good. I don't 
have a personal suggestion as to which one. I've only been to a few around 
the Adamstown Renningers, but they were worth it.
Best Regards,
MarkS 




Article: 333024 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44480DB5.A189EDA3@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:40:56 GMT

AVC wrote:
> 
>    Not only did it run fine , it run fast.


   Just like the one on "Home Improvement"?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333025 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Sarasota Swap Meet -- this Saturday
Message-ID: <3i4g42hijmg9v26qudd9n7ddjlfn5hhor1@4ax.com>
References: <ddL1g.3645$An2.977@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <EUS1g.8852$7u6.6518@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:59:12 GMT

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:18:28 GMT, " Ron in Radio Heaven"
<kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com> wrote:

>
>Gary Tayman <gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:ddL1g.3645$An2.977@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>> some 1920's bandbox radios,
>
>I'm kind of new to this, what is a "1920's bandbox radio"???
>
>Ron
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/1928-Crosley-Bandbox-Radio-Brochure_W0QQitemZ6617391842QQcategoryZ38034QQcmdZViewItem
Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 333026 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:46:30 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net>

In <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:

>   Some people even had to have male and female threads explained to
>them. :(

   At a summer job I once had a young woman ask me why plugs and
sockets were called male & female.  Uh-oh!

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Article: 333027 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:50:29 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e29a8l$mio$2@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>    <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>    <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net>    <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <1145534474.139792.201060@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

In <1145534474.139792.201060@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes:

>"When I was a kid we had could decode TCP/IP packets by putting
>our tongue in the Cisco router socket"!

   One of my favorite Dilberts had the characters engaged in
such one-upmanship:

   "...we only had ones and zeros..."

   "You had zeros?  We had to use the letter "O"."

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 333028 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Cute Novelty Radio (FA, Not Mine)
References: <owP1g.2273$gt.646@trnddc04> <1145570467.865589.134910@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <c7W1g.9052$3W1.7486@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:58:48 GMT

Sorry Terry, didn't see your posting. I just bagged it for myself.
It's the PERFECT gift for a friend of mine's father that's a rail
road affectionado.

Jeff

Terry S wrote:

> I like it.... and it's only a stone's throw from me....
> 
> Terry.
> 
> 
> David Stinson wrote:
> 
>>This is kinda cute, in an ugly sorta way:
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ6620396539
>>
>>Cheap, too.
> 
> 

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the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
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under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333029 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Should I re-recap?
References: <XfadnS0rZv6hD9rZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <fdW1g.9054$3W1.8946@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:05:15 GMT



Tom Adkins wrote:
>  The entire chassis has been recapped sometime in the (distant?)past. 
> All light green Cornell-Dublier caps with a couple of brown dipped CDEs 
> for good measure.

The brown dipped CDE are ok. The green Spragues are crap.
I had a Heathkit Capacitor substitution box and they were all bad.

Jeff


-- 
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the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333030 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44482FD5.FE5B0F46@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:06:35 GMT

Tim Mullen wrote:
> 
> In <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:
> 
> >   Some people even had to have male and female threads explained to
> >them. :(
> 
>    At a summer job I once had a young woman ask me why plugs and
> sockets were called male & female.  Uh-oh!


   You would be charged with sexual harassment for answering that
question, these days. :(


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333031 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4448303E.236F6BE3@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Should I re-recap?
References: <XfadnS0rZv6hD9rZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <fdW1g.9054$3W1.8946@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:08:20 GMT

Jeffrey D Angus wrote:
> 
> Tom Adkins wrote:
> >  The entire chassis has been recapped sometime in the (distant?)past.
> > All light green Cornell-Dublier caps with a couple of brown dipped CDEs
> > for good measure.
> 
> The brown dipped CDE are ok. The green Spragues are crap.
> I had a Heathkit Capacitor substitution box and they were all bad.
> 
> Jeff


   Yes, they were CDE's answer to the Sprague Orange drops.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333032 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Should I re-recap?
References: <XfadnS0rZv6hD9rZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <JwW1g.180$Gg.160@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:26:01 GMT

I have a box of NOS CD PM 655 .05 at 600v green caps and all check out 
perfect at 600v on my IT-28 for leakage. These are Difilm caps, same as 
orange drop construction. I see no need to change them, what are the 
stock numbers on them?

Tom Adkins wrote:
>  Well, I finally had time to pull the chassis on the 12-S471 and have a 
> look. I got a couple of surprises.
>  The entire chassis has been recapped sometime in the (distant?)past. 
> All light green Cornell-Dublier caps with a couple of brown dipped CDEs 
> for good measure. The electrolytics are fairly recent multi section in 
> cardboard tubes, I'll likely replace these just because. The output 
> transformer was replaced with a Stanton riveted to the chassis. I'm 
> guessing all this was done in the late 60s-early 70s. The work was 
> nicely done with no flying leads or blobby solder joints. Someone paid a 
> pretty penny to have this radio repaired way back when. The dial belt 
> was a black rubber oring, dried and broken. The power transformer 
> doesn't show any signs of overheating.
>   The biggest issues are a frozen tuning mechanism and deteriorated 
> rubber coated wiring to the tuning eye and grid caps. I'll have to 
> attend to these issues before I do anything else.
>  Now I'm wondering how reliable those green caps are. I'm not sure if 
> they are just crappy paper caps in nice molded shells. Any thoughts?
> I haven't powered it up yet because I no longer have a variac. I'm going 
> to rig up a dim bulb tester for the time being.


Article: 333033 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44483657.641B2552@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com> <OvidnXTIOqDCrNXZ4p2dnA@comcast.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:34:22 GMT

William Sommerwerck wrote:
> 
> > At a summer job I once had a young woman ask me why
> > plugs and sockets were called male & female. Uh-oh!
> 
> I hate to think how she'd have reacted to hermaphroditic connectors...
> 
> I once suggested to a major connector manufacturer that, instead of
> referring to male and female jackscrews, they call them "johnscrews" and
> "janescrews". I don't think they "got it".


   They ignored it, like your ideas of axial leads?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333034 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com>
Message-ID: <_1X1g.4475$Lm5.688@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:01:30 GMT

Tim Mullen wrote:
> In <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:
> 
>>   Some people even had to have male and female threads explained to
>> them. :(
> 
>    At a summer job I once had a young woman ask me why plugs and
> sockets were called male & female.  Uh-oh!
> 
So what is "the rest of the story"? Don't leave us hanging...


Article: 333035 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Edison cylinder spring
From: lherault@bu.edu
References: <MtW1g.320$Vn.131@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <q8X1g.2376$F65.1542@trndny04>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:08:22 GMT

Depends on where you are.  I'm in MA nearer Providence RI.  I can do it for
him.  Then there is APSCO in Davenport Center NY, George Vollema in Newyago
MI and Wyatt's in CA, just to name a few.

Ron L


Article: 333036 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1145579232.013349.315200@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Duh! Earthlink found the problem!
Message-ID: <b8X1g.651$U%4.152496@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:17 -0400


<pgonshor@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1145579232.013349.315200@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> You know, this whole problem is due to Earthlink making bookooo bucks,
> which causes them to lay-off anybody who knows anything (and gets a
> decent salary).  This is typical for them, in my opinion.  It is all
> about the $$$.  If you see an ISP not making bucks, try them.  If you
> see and ISP making money, look out for poor quality service.  India, he
> you come!
> Dave


Microsoft tech support: http://www.oldradioz.com/temp/techsupport.jpg
Like so many others...

Syl 




Article: 333037 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:11:03 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e29ig7$78v$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com> <_1X1g.4475$Lm5.688@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>

In <_1X1g.4475$Lm5.688@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com> Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net> writes:

>Tim Mullen wrote:

>>    At a summer job I once had a young woman ask me why plugs and
>> sockets were called male & female.  Uh-oh!
>> 
>So what is "the rest of the story"? Don't leave us hanging...

   Heh.  Nothing exciting.  I imagine I either said "never mind"
or gave her A Look.  No demonstration ensued. :)

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Article: 333038 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com> <_1X1g.4475$Lm5.688@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com> <e29ig7$78v$1@reader1.panix.com>
Message-ID: <FCY1g.5968$543.3955@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:48:53 GMT



Tim Mullen wrote:
>    Heh.  Nothing exciting.  I imagine I either said "never mind"
> or gave her A Look.  No demonstration ensued. :)

Working in a tool store has it's moments. A customer walked up to
my service counter and asked to borrow a file. I asked if he wanted
a flat bastard. His response? "No, give me one of those round mother
fu**ers."

Ya know, it was customers like him that had me looking forward to
coming into work.

Jeff

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the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333039 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: ZENITH bakelite tube radio Item number: 6623470686 
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:16:43 -0400
Message-ID: <124gn5kfnimlr66@corp.supernews.com>
References: <HmX1g.336$Vn.146@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <JoKdnfb2H_NexNXZRVn-vg@comcast.com>

"Thes radio has a good long AC power cord and a nice dial light"


:)




Article: 333040 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: FA Pilot radio on eBay... 12 tubes  not mine
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:39:12 -0400
Message-ID: <124gofmn0l204be@corp.supernews.com>
References: <vYKdnV6qhcA2ItjZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <Tmq1g.83485$Jh1.1183606@weber.videotron.net> <jbyrns-1904062144350001@216-80-74-141.d.enteract.com> <wwD1g.140532$0X5.1480525@wagner.videotron.net> <kdmdnR67P8dBktrZRVn-gw@comcast.com> <DrO1g.72865$dW3.26645@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> <CbGdnZwAO6tkX9rZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <124fi45icfu9737@corp.supernews.com> <S-6dndJzOq9g_dXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>

Mark Oppat wrote:

> I seem to recall the 11 tube Kadette had PP output but 4 tubes, 2 each in
> parallel.   All to drive a 6" speaker in the table set!  Goofy, and stupid.
> Seems like they were 25L6's but I cant recall without pulling the Riders.
> 
> Mark Oppat

The 1129 has a pair of 41s.

-Bill


Article: 333041 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: Phenolic Circuit Boards
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:58:55 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.04.21.04.58.55.364466@nospam.com>
References: <7q1d4219pugrb27ev9okpulq1l1u293ka1@4ax.com> <u6OdnQVKVN1emNrZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com> <on5e4216gmmm9fmtd91eegtenjkqv0b1su@4ax.com> <8Oydnf8Ehpm1TtrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:29:54 -0500,  wrote:

> "Steve Eddy" <steve@q-audio.com> wrote in message 
> news:on5e4216gmmm9fmtd91eegtenjkqv0b1su@4ax.com...
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Though while it doesn't look green, it also doesn't look like brown
>> phenolic. Either it's a really bad photograph or their "Phenolike"  is
>> just a plain black solder mask. The traces look rather dark brown
>> through the mask, but the board itself looks quite black to me which
>> isn't what I was looking for.
>>
>> se
>>
> Well on my monitor it is dark brown (dark chocolate brown).
> 
> All of these boards are .092" thick -- which matches the old style phenolic 
> in late 1950s and 1960s
> that was used with vacuum tubes circuits.
> 
> Other colors are possible as part of the solder mask screen -- ask you 
> specific shop -
> choose the PPG color of your choice.  these boards were designed by 
> University of Illinois group (DIY tube).
> 
> Blue
> http://www.diytube.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=666
> 
> Ruby Red solder mask
> http://www.diytube.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=947
> 
> g. beat

I use black solder mask on the boards I design at work.  They come out
black all over; you can hardly see the traces.  You have to turn the board
so that you can see the difference in thickness.  There are some board
shops that will custom mix colors, maybe that's what they used.

An old-time board wouldn't have any solder mask.  The traces would be bare
their entire length.  You could simulate that in a modern process by
laying out the solder mask to not cover the traces.  I don't know how hard
that is to do but it is possible; I've had our PC layout guy do it.  Then
you could use the solder mask as a color to make the board look like you
want.  Be aware that some colors of solder mask are transparent.  Ask if
they have a sample of the color you want.

-- 
Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

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Then replace nospam with sacbeemail.


Article: 333042 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: OT: schematic for a tube code practice oscillator
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:09:54 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.04.21.05.09.54.88583@nospam.com>
References: <e279t4$9sdt$1@news3.infoave.net> <RRJ1g.2127$DR6.158246@news20.bellglobal.com>

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:01:06 -0400, John Bartley wrote:

> Benjamaniac wrote:
>>      I'm looking for a schematic of a tube type code practice oscillator to
>> build for my daughter. Sounds like a fun project to build. Anybody have a
>> schematic of one of there ??
>>            Ben
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> Ben,
> 
> Try the back of the RCA tube manuals. They usually have sample circuits 
> in a section there and there's often a simple oscillator. If you don;t 
> have such a book, let me know and I'll scan one for you.
> 
> cheers

A lot of those were cathode keyed.  They put enough voltage across the
open key to shock the unwary.  They did make interesting sounds while it
was happening though.

Then there were the AC/DC units with the key connected to one side of the
power line.

-- 
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Article: 333043 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:51:32 -0700
Message-ID: <e29ocr01tqe@news4.newsguy.com>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <124erru6bdh0b94@corp.supernews.com>

Hagstar wrote:
> Sorry, guys, I'm an idiot. Turns out the massive load on this huge sets DOES 
> draw the B+ down to 250 volts. The  power supply puts out 400+ volts, but 
> the specs clearly call for 250 at the top of the voltage divider.
> 
> I've *never* seen a set with the B+ dropping so much undere load, so I 
> assumed something was shorted and it's not ! Sorry!
> 
Suggest you shotgun all the paper caps, and soon....or you WILL be 
looking for a shorted cap.

This set uses caps in several places that, if shorted, will put the full 
B+ across delicate places and destroy coils that are almost impossible 
to find replacements for.

I did one of these a few years ago, and the chassis was pristine 
underneath...it had never been repaired or even opened, and all the 
paper caps looked like new. When I first got it, I powered up the 
chassis with a variac for an initial test and three of the caps went 
south rather violently in less than 10 minutes. Don't risk it!

Also note that some of the caps feed through from the bottom to the top 
of the chassis. You can't use orange drops or rectangular caps in those 
places because they won't physically fit in the holes.

When I did mine, I replaced all of the paper caps with yellow axials 
except for two or three in the RF section. Those caps are located 
directly under the wafer switch assembly and appear to be completely 
inaccessable to mortal beings. If you figure out a way to get at those 
caps, I'm all ears.....I have two more of these chassis in the queue 
awaiting restoration.

This is an awesome set when everything is working right.....It has some 
of the loudest, clearest audio I have heard anywhere, and the 
performance on the shortwave and BC bands is like nothing I have seen 
outside of a ham shack....You will love it!

-Scott


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Article: 333044 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Silvertone World's Fair 8 tube tombstone
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:03:36 -0600
Message-ID: <10840-444867A8-480@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145592667.009085.318740@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

What about the other 43000 radios on ebay ?



Article: 333045 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Antique Power Tool Repair
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:38 -0700
Message-ID: <e29pcs01vaj@news4.newsguy.com>
References: <1145394864.111511.151420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <QMh1g.690480$084.173169@attbi_s22>   <oVh1g.2826$oW1.1036@bignews1.bellsouth.net>   <1145471819.184072.296600@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <4446A150.2F8F7869@earthlink.net> <1145485962.730069.71000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

AVC wrote:

>    55 years ago while serving an apprenticeship in a woodworking shop I
> plugged in a belt sander some one had left on the floor with the on
> switch locked on with the button pushed in.By the time I unplugged it
> ,that sander made like a dragster [plenty of traction] and shot thru
> the wall across the room in an unhappy customer's home.
> 

On the TV show "Jackass", they did a bit where one guy wore belt sanders 
on his feet to see if they would behave like electric roller skates when 
  plugged in. He invariably wound up on his butt when the electric 
sanders would take off.

Think about that....a 140+ pound guy, putting his full weight on both 
sanders, and they were still able to move far enough to knock him off 
his feet. Those are some powerful motors.

-Scott


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Article: 333046 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <HmX1g.336$Vn.146@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <JoKdnfb2H_NexNXZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <124gn5kfnimlr66@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: ZENITH bakelite tube radio Item number: 6623470686 
Message-ID: <LOZ1g.17297$5l2.256213@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:10:15 -0400

"- exray -"  wrote in message ..
> "Thes radio has a good long AC power cord

Perfect for catching Long Waves....

Syl 




Article: 333047 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Duh!  Earthlink found the problem!
Message-ID: <9sbh4216dq0n3caqbup2rjqqhugjbumghg@4ax.com>
References: <KUI1g.4424$BS2.2273@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:11:20 -0400

That's what happens when you deal with a company run by fairies....



On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:55:54 GMT, "Gary Tayman"
<gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote:

>I got a phone call at 11:00 last night -- it was an Earthlink tech who was 
>assigned by corporate to fix my problem.
>
>What was it?  Drum roll please . . .
>
>Newsgroup access was turned off!  When signing up, the server sets up 
>"permissions" for accessing e-mail, the web, DSL, etc.  When Truevoice gets 
>activated, sometimes this automatically shuts off the permission for Usenet. 
>All a tech needs to do is turn it back on!  Everybody should know this, even 
>those guys in India.
>
>So why did it take some 30 phone calls, a month of non-service, and a call 
>to corporate?  They're investigating.  Meanwhile I'm still down, sort of, as 
>it takes 24 hours to restore service.  However he noticed (another duh!) 
>that I have a secondary address, with mindspring instead of cybergate.  If I 
>sign on using mindspring, it works.
>
>He also told me he would straighten out the equipment problem, and that I'll 
>get "compensation" for the whole mess.
>
>My God!  How hard is THAT?  Sheesh!



Article: 333048 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1145572134.205546.97970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <9b52g.110815$oL.75560@attbi_s71>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:33:57 GMT

In article <1145572134.205546.97970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, 
analogdino@rogers.com says...
>
>
>Yes, first thing I did.  They are well clear.
>Cheers,
>Roger
>

If you decide to put a voltage across the cap to look for a spark.
It needs to be very low current... voltage of maybe 100 volts DC
at very low current.. it the spark is reasonably high current you
will completely ruin the cap as it welds and puts large spot
on the plate.

sometimes there is an adjuster nut on the rear and moving it slightly
tighter or loosen it a bit will clear the partial short.... also
possible small metal hair or bit of steel wool could be in the
cap.... high pressure airgun from your air compressor might clean
it out.. 

John



Article: 333049 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Should I re-recap?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <XfadnS0rZv6hD9rZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <JwW1g.180$Gg.160@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <oeadnaEBfrtqy9XZRVn-rA@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <qi52g.907944$x96.400126@attbi_s72>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:41:42 GMT

In article <oeadnaEBfrtqy9XZRVn-rA@comcast.com>, newton5@remove.comcast.net 
says...
>
>
>  I think I'm going to change them, just for peace of mind. I'll probably use 
this set 
>a lot. I'll save the take outs for other projects.

good start to change them is my opinion ... you also have another issue
with this radio... it runs... not one.. but a pair of 6x5 rectifiers.

see many previous threads about shorting out of 6x5 rectifiers and the 
resulting need to purchase a new power transformer.

think this set is also one you should consider about a 12 volt 2 amp boost 
buck arrangement transformer to lower the incoming line voltage to the
radio about 12 to 15 volts... 

John k9uwa



Article: 333050 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:45:11 -0400
Message-ID: <124hoff9tpdki7b@corp.supernews.com>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <124erru6bdh0b94@corp.supernews.com> <e29ocr01tqe@news4.newsguy.com>


"Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in message 
news:e29ocr01tqe@news4.newsguy.com...
 >>
> Suggest you shotgun all the paper caps, and soon....or you WILL be looking 
> for a shorted cap.

Yes, I know, but I do like to get them working first. BUT perhaps you're 
right- I may as well just start shotgunning because of the risks here 
(although I DO have a spare nearly complete chassis). I have traced the 
problem so far to everything coming into the mixer fine (signals and plate 
voltage) and nothing coming out. I love have a 'scope and frequency counter 
at a time like this!

John H. 




Article: 333051 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:46:50 -0400
Message-ID: <124hoii5uea6ucc@corp.supernews.com>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <124erru6bdh0b94@corp.supernews.com> <e29ocr01tqe@news4.newsguy.com>


"Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in message 
news:e29ocr01tqe@news4.newsguy.com...

>
> Also note that some of the caps feed through from the bottom to the top of 
> the chassis. You can't use orange drops or rectangular caps in those 
> places because they won't physically fit in the holes.
>

I rip the orange drops OUT of restored radios- ecch! :)

John H. 




Article: 333052 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Satellite phones, models, paging...
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:17:18 -0700
Message-ID: <eaqh42tkqpslj6rgiebc6hsckuadvdr5p1@4ax.com>
References: <1145625949.296582.47400@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 21 Apr 2006 06:25:49 -0700, "violeta" <vikica80@gmail.com> wrote:

>Satellite telephone info, new models, informations, global satellite
>telephone providers, satellite telephone base stations, paging,
>astellite FAX systems, voice over internet protocol... read more at:
>http://www.freewebs.com/sattelephones  and get the latest informations
>about satellite phones. <snip>

A Serbian spammer whose IP traces back to the nefarious RIPE.  Lots of
luck blocking this one!


Article: 333053 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1145592667.009085.318740@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <10840-444867A8-480@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>   <1145597184.544920.91740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145624454.004539.304050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Silvertone World's Fair 8 tube tombstone
Message-ID: <XU62g.3004$k.2090@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:31:03 GMT


"AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> wrote in message 
news:1145624454.004539.304050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> Seller doesn't know it's a 1934 World's Fair Radio- as advertised by
> Sears. The other 43k? Maybe there are a few other gems worth noting.
>

I think you may have the wrong radio in mind, or maybe not.  Where do you find this 
to be their "World's Fair" radio?

Looking at the original ads in the Silvertone book by Mark Stein page 75 shows no 
reference to this being their WF model.

Instead, a 6-tube battery operated set is advertised as the WF model for that year on 
page 73.  It claimed the battery operated skyscraper-styled set was "a sensation in 
our World's Fair building".

Or did they have more than one identified as a "World's Fair" model that year?

jim menning 




Article: 333054 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Uncle Peter" <radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM>
References: <1145592667.009085.318740@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <10840-444867A8-480@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>   <1145597184.544920.91740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145624454.004539.304050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <XU62g.3004$k.2090@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Silvertone World's Fair 8 tube tombstone
Message-ID: <_a72g.43778$EA3.42282@dukeread10>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:50:16 -0400


"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
news:XU62g.3004$k.2090@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> wrote in message
> news >
> Or did they have more than one identified as a "World's Fair" model that
year?
>
> jim menning
>

Hello Jim

I've always seen that set referred to as being "The World's Fair" radio...
If I can
find a referrence I'll post it. They seem to be very desirable. I think
there were
two versions.

Pete




Article: 333055 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1145592667.009085.318740@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <10840-444867A8-480@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>   <1145597184.544920.91740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145624454.004539.304050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <XU62g.3004$k.2090@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <_a72g.43778$EA3.42282@dukeread10>
Subject: Re: Silvertone World's Fair 8 tube tombstone
Message-ID: <mi72g.3005$k.883@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:58:10 GMT


" Uncle Peter" <radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM> wrote in message 
news:_a72g.43778$EA3.42282@dukeread10...
>
> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:XU62g.3004$k.2090@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news >
>> Or did they have more than one identified as a "World's Fair" model that
> year?
>>
>> jim menning
>>
>
> Hello Jim
>
> I've always seen that set referred to as being "The World's Fair" radio...
> If I can
> find a referrence I'll post it. They seem to be very desirable. I think
> there were
> two versions.
>
> Pete
>
>

Thanks Pete.  I also wonder if the "WF" association has any real premium for these 
old radios.  After all, these were far from being top-of-the-line offerings from 
Sears in 1934.  There were a lot of far better radios available in their catalogs.

jim menning 




Article: 333056 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Insufficient B+
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:13:46 -0400
Message-ID: <124i160hc86lef1@corp.supernews.com>
References: <124dkibdp7qpf37@corp.supernews.com> <TnG1g.67707$H71.10225@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <44473B6F.115BB518@earthlink.net> <W3H1g.67873$H71.58817@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> <124erru6bdh0b94@corp.supernews.com> <e29ocr01tqe@news4.newsguy.com> <124hoff9tpdki7b@corp.supernews.com>

Hagstar wrote:

> "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in message 
> news:e29ocr01tqe@news4.newsguy.com...
>  >>
> 
>>Suggest you shotgun all the paper caps, and soon....or you WILL be looking 
>>for a shorted cap.
> 
> 
> Yes, I know, but I do like to get them working first. 

Who was the guy that said "trying to get a radio playing with old wax 
caps was like trying to start a fire with wet matches"?

-ex


Article: 333057 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: ZENITH bakelite tube radio Item number: 6623470686 
Message-ID: <9p4i425lb60ksd992bn6u8dbrr62bkvt0j@4ax.com>
References: <HmX1g.336$Vn.146@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <JoKdnfb2H_NexNXZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <124gn5kfnimlr66@corp.supernews.com> <LOZ1g.17297$5l2.256213@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:15:13 GMT

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:10:15 -0400, "Syl" <personne@perdu.com> wrote:

>Perfect for catching Long Waves....

Or short WAACs

Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 333058 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca>
References: <su%0g.4183$BS2.2879@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>   <kNGdnc9q5KzzltjZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1145384584.764557.139760@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145399817.572654.144310@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: 6F6G vs. 6K6G/GT
Message-ID: <9c92g.2858$DR6.214012@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:40:16 -0230


"AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> wrote in message 
news:1145399817.572654.144310@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Yes, there were 6K6G tubes. I've had a few, too. Also, it's listed in
> Mallory's #2 (1938) tube specs. Rebased 41. RCA's favorite was 6F6 for
> low and med power and 6L6 for high power. They eventually started using
> 6K6GT in early 40's.
>
I seem to recall using 6K6 to replace a 6V6 (or maybe it was the other way 
round?). probably in either the audio or vertical output positions of 1950s 
vintage TVs.  Always IIRC the GT version.
TV repair guys then considered them to be almost interchangeable? i.e. Get 
the set fixed and get out of there!
Although they are not AFIK identical?
Don't think that included 6F6s, as far as I can remember.
I think my Hallicrafters S-53 has a 'wrong' output tube and it seems to work 
fine and nothing gets overly hot etc.
Any comments? 




Article: 333059 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <z%92g.2888$DR6.214531@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:35:07 -0230

>
>   Amen.  Very few people can make their own clothing anymore,
> including me.  I buy my jeans at a store.  That works for me.
>
> -- 
>                                        Tim Mullen
>
Completely off topic but;
Odd you should mention that Tim.
Yesterday I bought some work pants.
Strange how I needed two sizes (at least) larger waist size!
So today spent time culling old pants; several that 'almost' fitted I've 
kept, cos like old tubes and other radio bits you never know if they might 
come in useful!
Be more active coming year following some medical items during last one so 
person might shrink a bit!
At least the waistline of my one occasionally worn (mainly for funerals 
these days!), good suit can be let out.
Local self-employed tailor tells his customers that 'pants tend to shrink 
while hung in the closet'! :-) 




Article: 333060 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <kNC1g.12687$4L1.8584@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <e26utl$eao$1@reader1.panix.com> <44473B01.AF6389DB@earthlink.net> <e29a16$mio$1@reader1.panix.com> <_1X1g.4475$Lm5.688@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com> <e29ig7$78v$1@reader1.panix.com> <FCY1g.5968$543.3955@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Message-ID: <tca2g.2902$DR6.214834@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:48:50 -0230


"Jeffrey D Angus" <jangus@socal.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:FCY1g.5968$543.3955@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
>
> Tim Mullen wrote:
>>    Heh.  Nothing exciting.  I imagine I either said "never mind"
>> or gave her A Look.  No demonstration ensued. :)
>
> Working in a tool store has it's moments. A customer walked up to
> my service counter and asked to borrow a file. I asked if he wanted
> a flat bastard. His response? "No, give me one of those round mother
> fu**ers."
>
> Ya know, it was customers like him that had me looking forward to
> coming into work.
>
> Jeff
>
 I'm sure everyone has already heard/seen the supposed headline in a 
newspaper after a deranged male inhabitant from a mental asylum** sexually 
assaulted some women laundry workers and then escaped!

It read "Nut screws washers and bolts".

With my apologies! I am not sexist or anything else!

PS. **Politically correct that would be 'A hospital for the criminally 
insane'!
I'll also mention: When I asked a doctor friend who is the chief 
psychiatrist for our area "Why, would such and such an individual DO 
something like that?", his answer was a terse and to the point "Cos he's 
nuts". 




Article: 333061 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca>
References: <uLC%f.6606$i41.4286@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> <EMD%f.675$4c2.183192@weber.videotron.net>
Subject: Re: How to make a diaphragm
Message-ID: <Gna2g.2904$DR6.215008@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:00:50 -0230


"Syl" <personne@perdu.com> wrote in message 
news:EMD%f.675$4c2.183192@weber.videotron.net...
> "Gerald K4NHN" <gcromer@usit.net> wrote in message 
> news:uLC%f.6606$i41.4286@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> Any idea on how to cut and make a diaphragm for a horn speaker. Best 
>> material to use?  Has anyone tried this? It would have to be perfectly 
>> flat.
>> Gerald K4NHN
>> Cayce, SC
>
>
> Hot chocolat carboard/metal cans. The can itseld is made of cardboard with 
> aluminum inside
> but the bottom is made of very thin steel. I used common scissors to cut 
> to shape, that tells
> you how thin it is.
>
> Syl
I think Syl has the right idea; I had several war surplus headphones in 
which the diaphragm was fairly thick (compared to the flat base/end of a 
food can). They were unplated black painted steel. So with the proper 
clearance from the coil unit the steel disc should work OK?
They were anything but hi-fi and the sound was a bit tinny! (Joke?)
Also seem to remember older style British Post Office telephone handsets 
used a similar diaphragm earpiece?
One was always warned to 'slide' the diaphragm, to remove or replace it. 
Lifting the edge or slapping it back on could distort/bend/dent it! 




Article: 333062 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "george conklin" <george@nxu.edu>
References: <uLC%f.6606$i41.4286@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> <EMD%f.675$4c2.183192@weber.videotron.net> <Gna2g.2904$DR6.215008@news20.bellglobal.com>
Subject: Re: How to make a diaphragm
Message-ID: <Gvb2g.6916$Es3.492@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:45:26 GMT


"Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message 
news:Gna2g.2904$DR6.215008@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> "Syl" <personne@perdu.com> wrote in message 
> news:EMD%f.675$4c2.183192@weber.videotron.net...
>> "Gerald K4NHN" <gcromer@usit.net> wrote in message 
>> news:uLC%f.6606$i41.4286@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>> Any idea on how to cut and make a diaphragm for a horn speaker. Best 
>>> material to use?  Has anyone tried this? It would have to be perfectly 
>>> flat.
>>> Gerald K4NHN
>>> Cayce, SC
>>
>>
>> Hot chocolat carboard/metal cans. The can itseld is made of cardboard 
>> with aluminum inside
>> but the bottom is made of very thin steel. I used common scissors to cut 
>> to shape, that tells
>> you how thin it is.
>>
>> Syl
> I think Syl has the right idea; I had several war surplus headphones in 
> which the diaphragm was fairly thick (compared to the flat base/end of a 
> food can). They were unplated black painted steel. So with the proper 
> clearance from the coil unit the steel disc should work OK?
> They were anything but hi-fi and the sound was a bit tinny! (Joke?)
> Also seem to remember older style British Post Office telephone handsets 
> used a similar diaphragm earpiece?
> One was always warned to 'slide' the diaphragm, to remove or replace it. 
> Lifting the edge or slapping it back on could distort/bend/dent it!
>

A diaphragm must have smooth edges and be able to bend, otherwise it gouges 
the wall of the vagina. 




Article: 333063 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:26:35 -0400
Message-ID: <124iu22r912gb97@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <1145572134.205546.97970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <9b52g.110815$oL.75560@attbi_s71> <1145660605.927196.11540@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Engineer wrote:


> That's it for now.  I'll report any success... and either way have a
> large beer. 
> Cheers,
> Roger
> 

Sounds like you've got it under control. :)

I wouldn't mess with the adjustment nut unless it appears the whole 
thing is visually out of whack.  Instead of having one shorted plate and 
100 open ones you could end up with just the opposite.

Use an x-acto knife or something to pick at the individual plate(s).

GL,
Bill


Article: 333064 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Should I re-recap?
References: <XfadnS0rZv6hD9rZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <JwW1g.180$Gg.160@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <oeadnaEBfrtqy9XZRVn-rA@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <7Me2g.1066$TT.116@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:27:47 GMT

So why bother to  ask the question if you already made up your mind? 
There is nothing wrong with those caps. Sorry but I just don't get it. 
If they were Orange Drops would you do the same?

Tom Adkins wrote:
> Lou deGonzague wrote:
>> I have a box of NOS CD PM 655 .05 at 600v green caps and all check out 
>> perfect at 600v on my IT-28 for leakage. These are Difilm caps, same 
>> as orange drop construction. I see no need to change them, what are 
>> the stock numbers on them?
>>
> 
>  That's the ones. The 600V caps are .05 are PM-6S5,  .01 are PM-6S1, 
> etc. The 450V ones are .05 PM-4S5, .022 PM-4S22, etc.
>  I think I'm going to change them, just for peace of mind. I'll probably 
> use this set a lot. I'll save the take outs for other projects.


Article: 333065 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1145592667.009085.318740@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <10840-444867A8-480@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>   <1145597184.544920.91740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <1145624454.004539.304050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <XU62g.3004$k.2090@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>   <_a72g.43778$EA3.42282@dukeread10>   <1145657464.052200.310970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145661843.206962.245000@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Silvertone World's Fair 8 tube tombstone
Message-ID: <3vf2g.3029$k.1677@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:17:51 GMT


"AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> wrote in message 
news:1145661843.206962.245000@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> See page 68 of the Silvertone book. WORLD'S FAIR MODELS. model 1708.
> Unless they used the same cabinet for many models and called some WF
> and others not.
>

Apparently there were at least two cabinets designated World's Fair models, and some 
of the ads made note of this, and some did not.

Evidence is right there in the Stein book.  Thanks everyone!

jim menning 




Article: 333066 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
Subject: New way to ship old radio cabinets.
Message-ID: <aLf2g.3030$k.2184@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:35:02 GMT

"I did the un-thinkable and modified it so it can be shipped economically."



http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ6623895316




jim menning





Article: 333067 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Vintage
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:54:34 -0500
Message-ID: <8845-44498CDA-376@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>

I am watiching the DIY (Do It Yourself) program on DirecTV.Some guys are
working on an old vintage Airstream trailer.They mentioned a website
they were refering to,    www.vintageairstream.com  
At that website is a link to vintage radios and
www.ramseyelectronics.com
if y'all want to check it out? (what? do it your what?)
cuhulin



Article: 333068 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Satellite phones, models, paging...
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:18:23 -0700
Message-ID: <9g4j425l6ols77g1r1lqmosph638uqnt29@4ax.com>
References: <1145625949.296582.47400@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <eaqh42tkqpslj6rgiebc6hsckuadvdr5p1@4ax.com> <44493BB2.CFEAE9CD@earthlink.net>

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:10:00 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>   Yeah, Its soon going to be time to drop all messages posted through
>Google groups with News Proxy.  If enough real Usenet users did this,
>the only people to see the spam would be the others who refuse to use a
>real news server.  Google Groups should be black holed, along with Gmail
>till Google cleans up their act. <snip>

"Goo Goo Groopz" is only responsible for .4% of the traffic on Usenet,
but 15% of the spam...they just don't "get it."  I agree that "goo
goo" should be K-lined from every NNTP/NNRP server on Usenet, and it
already is on some.  It's "Usenet for 'Tards," which is why we wind up
with morons like 66fourdoor/CAINE/Charlie Nudo and his ilk.


Article: 333069 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <aLf2g.3030$k.2184@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: New way to ship old radio cabinets.
Message-ID: <PYg2g.3037$k.542@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:57:51 GMT


"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:aLf2g.3030$k.2184@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "I did the un-thinkable and modified it so it can be shipped economically."
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ6623895316
>


And this guy decides to sell a Midwest chassis and cabinet separately:

Chassis:

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ6622691533

Cabinet:

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ6622932888


Too many people making kits out of radios nowadays, instead of making radios out of 
kits.


I see this fellow is reproducing some old ScienceFair P-Box kits that RadioShack used 
to sell:

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ9715943482 




Article: 333070 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: ken scharf <wa2mzeNOSPAMBOTS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Some wacky ideas for making all-triode superhets
References: <2xk0g.7897$lb.719996@news1.epix.net> <9SC0g.2295$MM6.1463@bignews3.bellsouth.net> <6dQ0g.7917$lb.723609@news1.epix.net>
Message-ID: <YXg2g.11823$iB2.9310@bignews4.bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:00:12 -0400

DSL NAME wrote:
> Hi Ken,
> 
> Yes I thought that ideally neutralization would be the way to go.
> Especially since the main objection to neutralization of triode RF amps was
> always that it worked best over only a narrow range of frequencies, and in
> the IF strip one would have a fixed tuning so this would be avoided.  The
> problem I had was that I wasn't sure how to go about designing the IF
> transformers.  What inductance on the primary, what on the secondary, how
> mouch coupling, what range of neutralizing cap values to use, etc.  Anyone
> have any good starting points?
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> "ken scharf" <wa2mzeNOSPAMBOTS@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:9SC0g.2295$MM6.1463@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> 
>>DSL NAME wrote:
>>
>>>Acknowledging the fact that all-triode superhets died out with the
> 
> battery
> 
>>>set era, I still think its a neat exercise in exploring dinosaur
> 
> technology.
> 
>>>Last summer, I started to design and build an all-triode ('01A) superhet
>>>like the ones from the mid 1920's.  I referenced quite a few articles of
> 
> the
> 
>>>time, mostly from Radio News (an excellent early radio publication).  I
> 
> got
> 
>>>as far as winding some IF transformers, making a local osc and mixer
> 
> tube
> 
>>>and getting it to receive with a simple Ge diode detector, but with the
> 
> IF
> 
>>>strip I ran into pretty much the same problems they did back in the
> 
> 1920's,
> 
>>>namely that triodes don't let you tune the plate and the grid to the
> 
> same
> 
>>>frequency without oscillating.  The old masters had ways of trying to
> 
> deal
> 
>>>with this, but I also came up with several ideas of my own for how to
> 
> get
> 
>>>around this; most involve adding more tubes.  One idea was to try to add
>>>neutralization taps and capacitors to the IF transformers, but I wasn't
> 
> sure
> 
>>>how to work out the needed values.  A second idea was to stack a pair of
>>>triodes in a cascode topology, thus creating a sort of 'virtual pentode'
>>>(this would involve filament chokes and separate "top" and "bottom"
> 
> filament
> 
>>>supplies - rather unwieldy).  A third idea was to have multiple mixers,
>>>using a single L.O. in a kind of multiple conversion topology.  The idea
>>>being that each mixer would have some gain to it, and the input and
> 
> output
> 
>>>of each triode would be tuned to a different frequency, thus greatly
>>>reducing the chance for feedback and subsequent oscillation.  I figure
> 
> at
> 
>>>least 9 or 10 triodes would be needed for a really good set, maybe more.
> 
> I
> 
>>>ran out of filament juice with the power supply I made last summer.  I
> 
> have
> 
>>>to build one that can light up at least ten '01As at a time.  Also, I
> 
> wound
> 
>>>up a nice 1920's-style diamond-shaped loop antenna that I would like to
> 
> use
> 
>>>with something like this.  So - anyone else mess with this sort of
> 
> stuff, or
> 
>>>am I barking at the moon?
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I can't understand why you can't just neutralize the IF amps. Use a
>>bass-ackwards tickler coil if you must (IE: DEGENERATION).
>>Another idea would be to run the rf and if stages in GROUNDED GRID!
>>Couple the CATHODE (filament) to the tuned circuit via a bifilar wound
>>secondary running both filament connections through.  The gain of a
>>grounded grid stage isn't as high as grid driven, so you might need
>>an extra IF stage, but then so did early transistor radios.
>>Oh, and you can use the SAME type of converter stage that transistor
>>radios do with a single triode.
> 
> 
> 
Go check www.lindsaybks.com

he has a series of books on building radios on the cheap.  The
last one in the series shows how to wind your own IF transformers.
His are for pentodes, but to neutralize a triode I'd try winding
a tickler coil (like for a regen detector) but wire the coil
in backwards so it gives NEGATIVE feedback instead of positive.
Then vary the number of turns on the coil and the spacing from
the other windings till it's stable.  It won't be critical,
too much negative feedback will kill some gain, and not enough
the stage will still be unstable.  You can fine tune it by
putting a 5k pot across the winding.

Here's the link
http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks7/rexp5/index.html


Article: 333071 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com>
Subject: Truckload(s) of stuff in Sarasota
Message-ID: <fGh2g.4843$BS2.4716@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:46:19 GMT

Well,

All those videodisk movies, Sams folders, early TV's, lots of radios and 
record players, wire recorder, movie projector, vintage turntables, tubes, 
and other radio whatnot is stuffed into three vehicles (a car, a van, and a 
pickup with tall cap) and on its way to the swap meet.  I've still got 10 
crates full of 78 rpm records in the garage; will use the truck to get them 
after it's emptied.  But the good news is that it's ALL going to the swap 
meet.

For the most part, prices will be "make offer."  Everything that doesn't go 
at the meet will go to Goodwill.

See you there!



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 333072 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4449AD7D.800108E0@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Satellite phones, models, paging...
References: <1145625949.296582.47400@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <eaqh42tkqpslj6rgiebc6hsckuadvdr5p1@4ax.com> <44493BB2.CFEAE9CD@earthlink.net> <9g4j425l6ols77g1r1lqmosph638uqnt29@4ax.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:16:01 GMT

DeserTBoB wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:10:00 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> >   Yeah, Its soon going to be time to drop all messages posted through
> >Google groups with News Proxy.  If enough real Usenet users did this,
> >the only people to see the spam would be the others who refuse to use a
> >real news server.  Google Groups should be black holed, along with Gmail
> >till Google cleans up their act. <snip>
> 
> "Goo Goo Groopz" is only responsible for .4% of the traffic on Usenet,
> but 15% of the spam...they just don't "get it."  I agree that "goo
> goo" should be K-lined from every NNTP/NNRP server on Usenet, and it
> already is on some.  It's "Usenet for 'Tards," which is why we wind up
> with morons like 66fourdoor/CAINE/Charlie Nudo and his ilk.


   I forget.  When is it open season to hunt ilk? ;-)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333073 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Truckload(s) of stuff in Sarasota
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:27:56 +0900
Message-ID: <e2cbbm$dn$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <fGh2g.4843$BS2.4716@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>


"Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote in message 
news:fGh2g.4843$BS2.4716@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Well,
>
> All those videodisk movies, Sams folders, early TV's, lots of radios and 
> record players, wire recorder, movie projector, vintage turntables, tubes, 
> and other radio whatnot is stuffed into three vehicles (a car, a van, and 
> a pickup with tall cap) and on its way to the swap meet.  I've still got 
> 10 crates full of 78 rpm records in the garage; will use the truck to get 
> them after it's emptied.  But the good news is that it's ALL going to the 
> swap meet.
>
> For the most part, prices will be "make offer."  Everything that doesn't 
> go at the meet will go to Goodwill.
>
> See you there!
>

Ooooh Ooooh!!!! What you got on LD???





Article: 333074 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:27:12 -0400
Message-ID: <124jflof0259e9@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com>   <kvs1g.48659$_S7.47338@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   <1145473854.996631.201590@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <124de0smhtild1a@corp.supernews.com>   <9MmdnSaaMKOIQdvZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>   <_I6dndjD-L7q-drZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@gwi.net>   <o8OdnWwiOPpVAtrZRVn-ug@comcast.com>   <Ob6dnU3wOP_nxtXZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@gwi.net> <1145682497.408726.191280@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

GWBO wrote:

> 
> I've never used eBay before, but I'm thinking of testing the waters
> with this. Any suggestions as to what my starting bid should be?
> Someone suggested $100 - $150. The cabinet has a fair amount of
> scratches on it, and the eye does not appear to work.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 

Staring bid should be 0.99.  You'll attract more lurkers that way.  If 
its a desirable item it will sell for what it is worth regardless of 
where it starts although you may have a panic attack when, after 5 days, 
its still at 2 dollars.  Thats how ebay works.

IMHO.

-Bill


Article: 333075 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:31:46 -0400
Message-ID: <124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145682114.687393.11640@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

Jiri Placek wrote:

> No interesting radio experience so far but I saw near the South Point
> on the Big Island an abandoned wind farm with about 30 towers, most
> with broken blades or seizes drives.  Only two windmills were still
> spinning, apparently idle.  The whole experience was almost surreal,
> something like spacecraft junkyard from Space War, with wind whistling
> around. It makes me wonder why the wind farm is not running given the
> high cost of fuel these days.
> 
> The windfarm was apparently feeding transmitters nearby.  I could not
> get closer to transmitters but they looked abandones as well.  Any idea
> what that could be for?
> 
> Jiri Placek
> (usually) Boyertown, PA
> 

I can't speak for that particular installation but many windfarms fall 
victim to high maintenance costs and environmental concerns.  Messes 
with the local bird population, intereferes with TV reception, the 
droning noise becomes intolerable to nearby residents, etc.
If they put the same planning effort into a windfarm as they do a 
nuclear power plant we might be onto something.

-Bill


Article: 333076 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: TOMORROW - NEW ENGLAND ANTIQUE RADIO CLUB MEET!
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:33:14 -0400
Message-ID: <124jg113redii92@corp.supernews.com>
References: <3oSdnXNb48iIhNTZRVn-vQ@metrocastcablevision.com> <dAh2g.3878$An2.2442@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>

Gary Tayman wrote:

> Awww, shucks!  People will go there instead of to Sarasota!

Its April.  They've gone back home.


Article: 333077 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Replacement Knobs
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:35:59 -0400
Message-ID: <124jg66488pot07@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145665580.776431.103170@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

Kenny wrote:

> Hi!
> I just bought a GE A-53 tombstone. One of the knobs is not original and
> I would like to find one. They must have been pretty common, since my
> GE E-52 of roughly the same vintage uses the exact, same knobs.
> If anyone out there has some or know of someone who does I would really
> appreciate it!
> Thanks!
> Ken
> 
Try Dave Frush at parts2many@aol.com  I got mine from him.  ***that 
email addy may have changed? but try it anyway.
These are easy ones to find.

-Bill



Article: 333078 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" <nobody@nowhere.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:13:25 -0700
Message-ID: <86ij4298i02ikdlrtfi1v5545mbt6clsul@4ax.com>
References: <1145682114.687393.11640@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

http://www.awea.org/projects/hawaii.html

http://www.acave.us/southpoint/southpoint.htm
http://www.heco.com/CDA/default/0,1999,TCID%253D1%2526EmbedCID%253D3468%2526CCID%253D0%2526LCID%253D0%2526CTYP%253DARTC,00.html
DESCRIPTION: Apollo Energy Corporation (Apollo) is proposing to
repower its existing 7 MW wind farm (Kamao'a Wind Farm) located at
South Point, Hawaii. Under the plans, the repowered wind farm would
increase in size to 20.5 MW by using fourteen GE 1.5 MW turbines. On
October 13, 2004, HELCO and Apollo signed a PPA for as-available
energy from the repowered wind farm. HELCO submitted the PPA to the
PUC for approval on November 26, 2004. The PUC approved the PPA on
March 10, 2005. Commercial operation of the expanded wind farm is
targeted for late 2006







On 21 Apr 2006 22:01:54 -0700, "Jiri Placek" <radiotubes@fast.net>
wrote:

>No interesting radio experience so far but I saw near the South Point
>on the Big Island an abandoned wind farm with about 30 towers, most
>with broken blades or seizes drives.  Only two windmills were still
>spinning, apparently idle.  The whole experience was almost surreal,
>something like spacecraft junkyard from Space War, with wind whistling
>around. It makes me wonder why the wind farm is not running given the
>high cost of fuel these days.
>
>The windfarm was apparently feeding transmitters nearby.  I could not
>get closer to transmitters but they looked abandones as well.  Any idea
>what that could be for?
>
>Jiri Placek
>(usually) Boyertown, PA
Bill

www.wbnoble.com

to contact me, do not reply to this message, 
instead correct this address and use it

will iam_  b_   No  ble   at  msn  daught   com
*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***


Article: 333079 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:58:04 -0500
Message-ID: <8483-4449D3FC-452@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <86ij4298i02ikdlrtfi1v5545mbt6clsul@4ax.com>

Ever heard of Smokey Yunick? (Best D..n Garage in Town) I used to read
his articles in Popular Science magazines.He was a Bomber Pilot in World
War Two.What he didn't know about auto and diesel truck engines,nobody
knew.He once put up a windmill generator at his garage in Daytona
Beach.The city of Daytona Beach made him take it down.
cuhulin



Article: 333080 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1145592667.009085.318740@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <10840-444867A8-480@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>   <1145597184.544920.91740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <1145624454.004539.304050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <XU62g.3004$k.2090@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>   <_a72g.43778$EA3.42282@dukeread10>   <1145657464.052200.310970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145661843.206962.245000@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <3vf2g.3029$k.1677@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <Qxh2g.3877$An2.2845@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Silvertone World's Fair 8 tube tombstone
Message-ID: <ewm2g.3069$k.567@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:16:58 GMT


"Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote in message 
news:Qxh2g.3877$An2.2845@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>I hope I don't sound stupid here, but am I missing something?  Wasn't the World's 
>Fair in 1939, not 1934?
>
>

1933-1934 Century of Progress International Exposition in Chicago.

jim menning 




Article: 333081 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1145419906.242444.14970@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <124ca66regacv39@corp.supernews.com>   <kvs1g.48659$_S7.47338@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   <1145473854.996631.201590@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <124de0smhtild1a@corp.supernews.com>   <9MmdnSaaMKOIQdvZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>   <_I6dndjD-L7q-drZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@gwi.net>   <o8OdnWwiOPpVAtrZRVn-ug@comcast.com>   <Ob6dnU3wOP_nxtXZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@gwi.net> <1145682497.408726.191280@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <124jflof0259e9@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this radio?
Message-ID: <mBm2g.3070$k.1996@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:22:26 GMT


"- exray -" <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message 
news:124jflof0259e9@corp.supernews.com...
> GWBO wrote:
>
>>
>> I've never used eBay before, but I'm thinking of testing the waters
>> with this. Any suggestions as to what my starting bid should be?
>> Someone suggested $100 - $150. The cabinet has a fair amount of
>> scratches on it, and the eye does not appear to work.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>
> Staring bid should be 0.99.  You'll attract more lurkers that way.  If its a 
> desirable item it will sell for what it is worth regardless of where it starts 
> although you may have a panic attack when, after 5 days, its still at 2 dollars. 
> Thats how ebay works.
>
> IMHO.
>
> -Bill

Agreed.  High starting prices just discourage bidding.  Start it low, describe it 
fully and honestly with plenty of good images, and let it end at it's natural 
conclusion (don't end the auction early for any reason).  Don't be greedy by using a 
reserve, let it go for whatever the bidders think it's worth.  Last minute (or 
seconds) snipers will often surprise you.

Occasionally you will be disappointed at the results, but most of the time you will 
get what it's truly worth, or even more if two or more people "just gotta have it".

jim menning 




Article: 333082 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444A1393.FD6B892@sympatico.ca>
From: John Stewart <jh.stewart@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
References: <86ij4298i02ikdlrtfi1v5545mbt6clsul@4ax.com> <8483-4449D3FC-452@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:29:23 -0400



cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

> Ever heard of Smokey Yunick? (Best D..n Garage in Town) I used to read
> his articles in Popular Science magazines.He was a Bomber Pilot in World
> War Two.What he didn't know about auto and diesel truck engines,nobody
> knew.He once put up a windmill generator at his garage in Daytona
> Beach.The city of Daytona Beach made him take it down.
> cuhulin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokey_Yunick



Article: 333083 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Should I re-recap?
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:43:46 -0500
Message-ID: <20790-444A2502-145@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <XfadnS0rZv6hD9rZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>

THEY ARE 40 YEARS OLD.


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 333084 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <1145682114.687393.11640@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Message-ID: <36q2g.494$n13.403@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:22:07 GMT


- exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message
news:124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com...
> If they put the same planning effort into a windfarm as they do a
> nuclear power plant we might be onto something.

and it would take 20+ years to get one built...

Ron





Article: 333085 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Satellite phones, models, paging...
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:38:01 -0700
Message-ID: <pcck42t4t3fm7dcj9ld374kjl53g2ppeu1@4ax.com>
References: <1145625949.296582.47400@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <eaqh42tkqpslj6rgiebc6hsckuadvdr5p1@4ax.com> <44493BB2.CFEAE9CD@earthlink.net> <9g4j425l6ols77g1r1lqmosph638uqnt29@4ax.com> <4449AD7D.800108E0@earthlink.net>

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:16:01 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>   I forget.  When is it open season to hunt ilk? ;-) <snip>

It's easy to remember.  It coincides with the meese season.


Article: 333086 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:58:26 -0700
Message-ID: <mick42hp00dehkhqq17gdrocs0umi8rb13@4ax.com>
References: <1145682114.687393.11640@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com> <36q2g.494$n13.403@tornado.southeast.rr.com>

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:22:07 GMT, " Ron in Radio Heaven"
<kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com> wrote:

>
>- exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message
>news:124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com...
>> If they put the same planning effort into a windfarm as they do a
>> nuclear power plant we might be onto something.
>
>and it would take 20+ years to get one built... <snip>

Not true.  No other state has as much acreage devoted to wind farming
than California, and, along with geothermal, old hydroelectric and
solar, account for 12% of the entire electricity production in the
state.  After the Enron-caused/Bush-Cheney-backed "brownouts" of 2000,
wind farm construction increased prodigiously.  There are
environmental studies galore for each one, and they're usually
completed within a year of proposal.  The process was streamlined by
Gov. Gray Davis, but unfortunately, political forces beyond our
control had him tossed out in favor of AHHHHnuhld Schwarzenoodle,
whose recent approval polls now put him somewhere below Bush, who's
already at historic lows.

Two things are hampering wind development here...bird problems and
NIMBYs.  Experiments continue on how to keep red tailed hawks, condors
and other prized raptors away from the turbines, but the NIMBYs,
usually rich, selfish types with "view" lots, have succeeded in
killing small turbine power in many southern counties by insisting
that county governments charge prohibitive "fees" to block
construction by ordinary property owners.  Also regarding the bird
problem, Southern California Edison is now putting plastic "teepees"
between two phases of its 12 KV and higher distribution lines that run
on a single cross arm all over the state.  Seems that big birds, for
whatever reason, seem to think it's a great idea to land right between
the two phases on one side of the pole.  Of course, when the wings
come down, there's a fried bird.  The idea of the "teepee" is to
prevent them from landing on that side of the arm.  "Bird shorts" are
a major source of distribution service interruptions and do cause
considerable damage to the raptor population, far more than do the
turbines.  I think the idea here is to prevent raptor killings with
the "teepees" on Edison's widespread distribution grid, which would
more than offset accidental "slicing and dicing" by turbines.  Another
major service interrupter in the past:  bird poop in air gap
lightening arrestors, now generally eliminated by gas discharge
arrestors.

The latest commercial wrinkle in "green" power is roof panel/inverter
combinations, which are popping up everywhere.  I'm adding them to my
house this year.  Estimated savings on power consumption is around
65%, with a substantial state tax break as well.

dB


Article: 333087 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: dual monoblock project-push pull 6V6's
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:02:20 -0700
Message-ID: <cndk42tnh2i6n18l550eqo4odrhjapf84n@4ax.com>
References: <1145712504.115944.323910@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 22 Apr 2006 06:28:24 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>If I scavenged the amps from 2 of these phonographs, and used them as a
>dual monoblock stereo rig to play vinyl, tape, and CD's through, what
>would they sound like ? <snip>

Crap.
>
>neat setup, or not worthwhile ? <snip>

Idiot.

>being the original phonos used an Astatic-style mono flip stylus as the
>input- what would I have to change to accept line level input from
>vinyl-tape-CD ?  I'd like to keep the original preamp circuit intact-
>and not use separate preamp <snip>

No one with half a brain uses a ceramic Astatic cartidge to play
decent records.  Are you tearing apart vintage stuff again, persuing a
stupid project the reasons for which don't exist?  Yup, that's Charlie
Nudo!

http://www.myspace.com/charlienudo
>
>any suggestions ?
>
>ps- still waiting for my 7591 output tubes for the Fisher 500c <snip>

Yeah, they have to make the cathodes out of beer cans somewhere in
Siberia.  What a chump you are, Noodles.


Article: 333088 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Replacement Knobs
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:04:10 -0600
Message-ID: <20565-444A45EA-75@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145717756.580380.163500@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Store the picture on a free picture host then include the link in all
your internet posts for all to click on & see .  



Article: 333089 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:24:16 -0500
Message-ID: <8649-444A58B0-456@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>
References: <mick42hp00dehkhqq17gdrocs0umi8rb13@4ax.com>

A few weeks ago,I read about a new windfarm in Hawaii that is in
operation now.I also once read about a new technology in pipes.The pipes
are horizontal and smaller towards the middle than at the ends of the
pipes and the pipes have geneators in the middle of the pipes.A venturi
effect causes the generator blades to spin.

U.S.Navy is experimenting with Ocean Geothermal Energy.About  300 of
those units  off the coast of Los Angeles can supply all the electrical
energy Los Angeles needs.There is an article about that in either
Popular Mechanics or Popular Science magazine a few years ago.I have
been subscribing to those two magazines (the two best magazines in the
World,in my opinion) since 1949 when I was eight years old.Your local
area librarys probally have that magazine with that article.
cuhulin   



Article: 333090 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:36:07 -0400
Message-ID: <124kmrviilc4460@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145682114.687393.11640@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com> <36q2g.494$n13.403@tornado.southeast.rr.com>

  Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
> - exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message
> news:124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com...
> 
>>If they put the same planning effort into a windfarm as they do a
>>nuclear power plant we might be onto something.
> 
> 
> and it would take 20+ years to get one built...
> 
> Ron
> 

Just think if the momentum from the oil embargo in the 70s had 'stuck'. 
  By now, we (the West) might well be free from the savages that run the 
oil market.


-ex


Article: 333091 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Jim&Jennifer  Pelletier" <polgara@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: G E Frequency Modulation Radio Phonograph Combination 502
Message-ID: <L5u2g.7303$Es3.5132@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:54:51 GMT

Help- I can't find this model anywhere on the web. I have one in great 
condition, does anyone know what they're worth (approximately) or even when 
they were manufactured? Contact Jim at polgara@ix.netcom.com
Thanks 




Article: 333092 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: New way to ship old radio cabinets.
References: <aLf2g.3030$k.2184@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <9ku2g.7762$sq5.1501@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:10:13 GMT

And it comes with its own power outlet!  Save on the electric bill.


Article: 333093 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: G E Frequency Modulation Radio Phonograph Combination 502
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:26:48 -0400
Message-ID: <124ktbetliqleb3@corp.supernews.com>
References: <L5u2g.7303$Es3.5132@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>

Jim&Jennifer Pelletier wrote:

> Help- I can't find this model anywhere on the web. I have one in great 
> condition, does anyone know what they're worth (approximately) or even when 
> they were manufactured? Contact Jim at polgara@ix.netcom.com
> Thanks 
> 
> 
Its listed in the 4th Edition of Collectors Guide to Antique Radios at 
$60-70.  1948.

-Bill


Article: 333094 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: TOMORROW - NEW ENGLAND ANTIQUE RADIO CLUB MEET!
Message-ID: <5l2l42dfqimqn4katssf621bb5vdp6tf4g@4ax.com>
References: <3oSdnXNb48iIhNTZRVn-vQ@metrocastcablevision.com> <dAh2g.3878$An2.2442@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <124jg113redii92@corp.supernews.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:03:04 GMT

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:33:14 -0400, - exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote:

>Gary Tayman wrote:
>
>> Awww, shucks!  People will go there instead of to Sarasota!
>
>Its April.  They've gone back home.

Not quite all!  This week at the outlet mall in Ellenton there were at
least nine cars from Nova Scotia, as well as from other Canadian
provinces and Northern States.  This Morning at the coffee shop there
were still regulars from Wisconsin and New Hampshire and my next door
neighbors have not gone back to Pennsylvania yet.

Happiness is seeing a Canadian heading back north, with a New Yorker
under each arm. ;-)


Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 333095 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Jon" <jon@NOscapturaSPAM.com>
References: <1145522136.073707.259080@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: How vinyl records are made on YouTube
Message-ID: <n8w2g.692$Gg.89@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:14:11 GMT

"Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote in message 
news:1145522136.073707.259080@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=forwardbound
>
> Just added recently, pretty interesting but no explosives
>
> (just vinyl getting SQUISHED by presses)
>



Very cool.  By the way - you can see how it was done in back 1942 here: 
http://www.archive.org/details/CommandP1942


-- 
Jon Scaptura
Endicott, NY

See my antique radios here:
http://www.binghamtonradio.com/gallery2/v/Antique_radios/
and the workbench webcam:
http://www.binghamtonradio.com/webcam




Article: 333096 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444A95DB.58EBE90C@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TOMORROW - NEW ENGLAND ANTIQUE RADIO CLUB MEET!
References: <3oSdnXNb48iIhNTZRVn-vQ@metrocastcablevision.com> <dAh2g.3878$An2.2442@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <124jg113redii92@corp.supernews.com> <5l2l42dfqimqn4katssf621bb5vdp6tf4g@4ax.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:46:01 GMT

Brian McAllister wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:33:14 -0400, - exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote:
> 
> >Gary Tayman wrote:
> >
> >> Awww, shucks!  People will go there instead of to Sarasota!
> >
> >Its April.  They've gone back home.
> 
> Not quite all!  This week at the outlet mall in Ellenton there were at
> least nine cars from Nova Scotia, as well as from other Canadian
> provinces and Northern States.  This Morning at the coffee shop there
> were still regulars from Wisconsin and New Hampshire and my next door
> neighbors have not gone back to Pennsylvania yet.
> 
> Happiness is seeing a Canadian heading back north, with a New Yorker
> under each arm. ;-)
> 
> Brian McAllister
> 
> Sarasota, Florida
> 
> email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


   I still see all kinds of snowbirds around Ocala.  Some of them are
heading SOUTH in RVs. :(


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333097 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: dual monoblock project-push pull 6V6's
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:03:25 -0700
Message-ID: <bv9l42t9nfrb2q211th6vftsct4e4ig8dk@4ax.com>
References: <1145712504.115944.323910@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-2204061308270001@216-80-74-102.d.enteract.com> <1145741054.140090.320980@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

On 22 Apr 2006 14:24:14 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>PS:   vinyl- modern turntable with magnetic pickup
>
>I just did a few tests using just one speaker and the turntable- not
>enough volume, so definitely a preamp is in order for vinyl.
>
>can you explain the RC equalizer circuit ? <snip>

Dumbbell...doesn't even know what RIAA curve is, or what
characteristic output and loading of a mag cartridge is, yet he's an
"eggspurt."  Now that he's exposing himself for the true idiot he is,
I'll back out and let the others eat away.


Article: 333098 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:06:22 -0700
Message-ID: <g3al429l5kmrfs9fje871k7na9ct97mu18@4ax.com>
References: <mick42hp00dehkhqq17gdrocs0umi8rb13@4ax.com> <8649-444A58B0-456@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:24:16 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>U.S.Navy is experimenting with Ocean Geothermal Energy.About  300 of
>those units  off the coast of Los Angeles can supply all the electrical
>energy Los Angeles needs.There is an article about that in either
>Popular Mechanics or Popular Science magazine a few years ago.I have
>been subscribing to those two magazines (the two best magazines in the
>World,in my opinion) since 1949 when I was eight years old.Your local
>area librarys probally have that magazine with that article.
>cuhulin    <snip>

The Los Angeles Dep't of Water and Power is actively making plans for
undersea geothermal generation, with trial projects due to start
producing energy somewhere around 2010.  There's also a wealth of
escaping methane under the ocean, which just bubbles to the surface
and is lost.


Article: 333099 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:09:14 -0700
Message-ID: <p7al42lr8fqunaju8ohvsuon6m9qludjuk@4ax.com>
References: <1145682114.687393.11640@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com> <36q2g.494$n13.403@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <mick42hp00dehkhqq17gdrocs0umi8rb13@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2204061258410001@216-80-74-102.d.enteract.com>

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:58:34 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>> Not true.  No other state has as much acreage devoted to wind farming
>> than California, and, along with geothermal, old hydroelectric and
>> solar, account for 12% of the entire electricity production in the
>> state. 
>
>A more relevant factoid would be what percentage of the entire electricity
>_consumption_ in the state is provided by those sources? <snip>

All wind, solar and geothermal generation output is consumed within
the state, so the above figure would also represent that.  What's
interesting here is that the figure includes the older power
generation source, hydroelectric, and the newest, which are all the
rest.  Most of the Southern Sierras, Edison and PG&E hydro plants date
>from the Teddy Roosevelt era.

dB


Article: 333100 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:10:18 -0700
Message-ID: <scal429mbe429t22qfa1nf73op07ijgguf@4ax.com>
References: <1145682114.687393.11640@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com> <36q2g.494$n13.403@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <124kmrviilc4460@corp.supernews.com>

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:36:07 -0400, - exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote:

>Just think if the momentum from the oil embargo in the 70s had 'stuck'. 
>  By now, we (the West) might well be free from the savages that run the 
>oil market. <snip>

...and Dubya would've been flipping burgers somewhere at a Sonic
Drive-In.  His aptitude for such employment remains in question,
however.


Article: 333101 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
Subject: Restored Antique Radios & TV's FS
Message-ID: <NSx2g.518$ZQ3.378@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:11:57 GMT

Restored Antique Radios & TV's FS



http://members.aol.com/radiorest/main.htm



Possible FREE delivery to the Kutztown PA Radio meet May 12th!!!



I have just added several STUNNING sets including some Black dial Zeniths, 
some of the finest sets I've ever offered for sale!!  Just be sure to click 
on the "Radios for sale icon" to view the sets!



My Restorations are just what you're looking for if you want a set that 
looks and works as new.  These are completely redone, not only part of the 
cabinet is refinished and another part left cobbled up, the entire unit is 
restored.  These restorations are not simple "Recappings with a new power 
cord" I tend to every part of the chassis that needs attention, cleaning and 
relubing mechanical parts, rebuilding of dial assemblies, detailed 
refinishing or cleaning of knobs and bezels and any specific needs of a 
particular chassis. My sets are not "over restored", I don't rip every 
component and wire from the chassis and replace it just because its old, 
these sets are preserved in as much of their original state as possible to 
keep them reliable and safe.  27 years of doing antique radio restoration 
goes into knowing just what needs to be done and just how it should be done 
when I restore one.



Thanks!!



Keith Park




Article: 333102 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:30:59 -0500
Message-ID: <20809-444AAEA3-617@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
References: <scal429mbe429t22qfa1nf73op07ijgguf@4ax.com>

Execpt for when it is stormy weather around here,I can ''toot'' more
''wind''.Last September,I went to the once each year annual Celtic
Festival (I am going again this year too) at the farm and agricultural
thingy out there on Lakeland Drive. (because I am Scotch Irish by
ancesty,a double whammy on me) Of course I took my Kodak film camera
with me.There is a windmill generator over there wayyyyyy up high on a
steel tower and them blades were turning around and around ever soooo
slowlllyyy around.That is the only windmill generator I know about
around here. 
cuhulin



Article: 333103 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Chris F." <zappymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hickok Cardmatic Test Cards
Message-ID: <j9z2g.64413$VV4.1211588@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:39:59 GMT

Can anyone direct me to an source of information, for how to create your own 
tests cards (from original blanks) for the Hickok 123/b tube tester? Or is 
there a source for ready-made test cards?
Thanks for any help.

-- 
To reply via Email, remove NOSPAM from the address 




Article: 333104 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Cardboard record
References: <1145062554.957315.93370@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <7ln0425ffqcf339s20iv76ahq8eesb9t7m@4ax.com> <e2102u$cpv$1@reader1.panix.com> <hp-dnfmK99AyoNvZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@sigecom.net> <sfKdnSm6RqnW5dfZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@sigecom.net>
Message-ID: <miz2g.18745$tN3.14194@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:49:38 GMT

Bruce Mercer wrote:
> And for the umpteenth time use "only"
> denatured alcohol on Edison Diamond Discs. 

Bruce...what material are the Edison Diamond Discs made of?


Article: 333105 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:07:41 -0500
Message-ID: <6366-444AC54D-665@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145740845.956953.182620@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

WHAT MAKES YOUR RADIO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER 50+M YEAR OLD SET.


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 333106 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:17:34 -0700
Message-ID: <qlhl42pcle7ck3l02k6453naf8at0noggf@4ax.com>
References: <scal429mbe429t22qfa1nf73op07ijgguf@4ax.com> <20809-444AAEA3-617@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:30:59 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>Execpt for when it is stormy weather around here,I can ''toot'' more
>''wind''.Last September,I went to the once each year annual Celtic
>Festival (I am going again this year too) at the farm and agricultural
>thingy out there on Lakeland Drive. (because I am Scotch Irish by
>ancesty,a double whammy on me) Of course I took my Kodak film camera
>with me.There is a windmill generator over there wayyyyyy up high on a
>steel tower and them blades were turning around and around ever soooo
>slowlllyyy around.That is the only windmill generator I know about
>around here. <snip>

Well, maybe nowadays, yes.  Wind generators were quite common before
rural electrification through FDR'S REA, along with 100 V (nominal)
battery strings.  The "farm batteries" from manufacturers like Exide
and others vaguely resembled some multi-cell large storage batteries
seen in telephone and railroad use even today.  Most of the dynamoes
were powered by modified Aeromotors and the like.  Around WW I, in
lieu of available wind, many farmers kept their battery strings topped
up with the help of a very early Delco generator set.

dB


Article: 333107 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Hickok Cardmatic Test Cards
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:22:27 -0700
Message-ID: <guhl42h2ojfqjt10evu5k64r78mi0es0pc@4ax.com>
References: <j9z2g.64413$VV4.1211588@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:39:59 GMT, "Chris F."
<zappymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Can anyone direct me to an source of information, for how to create your own 
>tests cards (from original blanks) for the Hickok 123/b tube tester? Or is 
>there a source for ready-made test cards? <snip>

I was lucky enough to get the whole JEDEC, JAN and WECO card sets with
mine, along with a big box of blanks.  Instructions for punching out
your own blanks are in the manual for the Cardmatic.  Usually, if you
have a tube manual, you can figure out your settings directly from
there, as I have with several later design tubes.  Since "Mr. Hickok"
passed away awhile back, I have no clue as to who'd even think of
carrying this stuff anymore.

Oh yeah...the Cardmatic?  GREAT tester...if you testing oodles of
tubes in one sitting of various types.  The weight of the thing's a
definite disadvantage.  The 728's a bit more portable and yields lab
grade Gm and leakage results as well.  Big downside to Cardmatics:
those infernal card switches!

dB


Article: 333108 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Benjamaniac" <benjamaniac@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hickok Cardmatic Test Cards
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:49:30 -0600
Message-ID: <e2emf5$a0me$1@news3.infoave.net>
References: <j9z2g.64413$VV4.1211588@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>

     Try this site...I think it has what you need.
        Ben
http://www.theoldradiofixerupperguy.com/hickok_cardmatic_data.html





"Chris F." <zappymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:j9z2g.64413$VV4.1211588@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Can anyone direct me to an source of information, for how to create your
own
> tests cards (from original blanks) for the Hickok 123/b tube tester? Or is
> there a source for ready-made test cards?
> Thanks for any help.
>
> --
> To reply via Email, remove NOSPAM from the address
>
>




Article: 333109 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Barry OGrady <god_free_jones@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FS:  HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT  -
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:04:29 +1000
Message-ID: <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com>
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com>

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:00:29 -0400, Mike Nowlen <mnowlen@comcast.net> wrote:

>This UNBUILT kit is in excellent, near mint condition and appears to
>be complete with all  documentation.  
>
>Manufactured by The Heath Company, Benton Harbor, Michigan. 
>
>$200

Try $5. Fully working multimeters are cheap.

>
>Includes shipping, packing and insurance in continental US via FedEx
>Ground.  Outer shipping carton and additional packing will be
>supplied. 
>
>Email me if you need more details or specific information: 
>
>Mike Nowlen 
>mnowlen@comcast.net

Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og


Article: 333110 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444AE601.E511D5C4@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
References: <1145740845.956953.182620@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:28:00 GMT

AuroraOldRadios wrote:
> 
> It still has the schematic under the chassis cover. Most of the caps
> are encased in metal tubs. The electrolytic is a plug in with an octal
> base. Bill, this radio is made with mil spec parts, not the usual penny
> per 1000 consumer grade rubbish. That's the difference. I heard Collins
> charged The Govt more than $700 per copy (also have seen figures as
> high as $1200).

   I have a TS-382 audio generator that was built with those military
grade bathtub caps.  Every one of them is bad.  Some are under 100 Kohm
leakage, and the highest ia barely over 1 Mohm.

.
-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333111 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:59:00 -0500
Message-ID: <20810-444AED74-138@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
References: <qlhl42pcle7ck3l02k6453naf8at0noggf@4ax.com>

A couple of old buddys of mine are Railroad nuts,that is,they own
(legally own) a lot of old,old Railroad related thingys.One of them owns
some of them big old heavy glass Railroad batteries.I could probally
talk him out of one of them if I want one of them badly enough.

Now,if I wanted to build my own windmill generator,,,, I would scrounge
up an old motorcycle wheel out of one of the junkyards around here and
an alternator from a car or truck and I would rig some blades onto the
motorcycle wheel and I would buy some marine or motorhome deep cycle
batteries.I already own some big inverters.I could build my own windmill
generator if I want to.

I am thinking about building a big motor scooter along the style of the
old 1940's Salsbury motor scooters.(google,Salsbury motor scooter) I
already own a very good 12 horse power electric start twin cylinder
Briggs & Stratton engine and some big Rokon wheels.   www.rokon.com    I
own a Lincoln cracker box welding machine and an oxyacetyleny
rig,many,many kinds of tools.(a woman once told me I am so fat,I am
building a shed over my "tool'') I just need to make up my mind what I
want to do.
cuhulin  



Article: 333112 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:27:55 -0500
Message-ID: <20254-444B105B-117@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145767574.171285.112800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

I was headin on into a shopping mall in Florida (either Pensacola or
Panama City,the mall has a Spanish sounding name) about ten years ago
and there was a little bird laying right there on the ground by the
door.The bird was oviously knocked out unconcious,but its legs was
twitching around.I figure that bird had flown agains't that big plate
glass window and knocked itself out.
cuhulin 



Article: 333113 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FS:  HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT  -
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:13:48 -0700
Message-ID: <u6am42t0jdsqqv8mmos00gbkfj2ukkbae9@4ax.com>
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:04:29 +1000, Barry OGrady
<god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:00:29 -0400, Mike Nowlen <mnowlen@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>This UNBUILT kit is in excellent, near mint condition and appears to
>>be complete with all  documentation.  
>>
>>Manufactured by The Heath Company, Benton Harbor, Michigan. 
>>
>>$200
>
>Try $5. Fully working multimeters are cheap. <snip>

I think his spam is trying to target Heath collectors, of which there
are a few around, I've read.  For utility's sake, though, almost any
DMM or even a good, used VTVM would be a far better deal.


Article: 333114 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Omer  Suleimanagich" <oabukovac@earthlink.net>
References: <tZ-dnanXx9d4m9bZRVn-rw@csd.net> <CpF2g.4113$An2.1640@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Grundig 4095 restoration is complete! (pics)
Message-ID: <HZF2g.4114$An2.987@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:25:27 GMT

Also,  I would recommend a dropping resistor, 10W rated /100 ohm sandstone, 
>from the bridge rectifier to the smoothing cap.

http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/grundig_5088_usa_componant_and_alignment_questions.html

Again, that's really GOOD work!

Omer



"Omer Suleimanagich" <oabukovac@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:CpF2g.4113$An2.1640@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> That's one nice job!
>
> Just out of curiosity, how come you didn't use yellow Mylar axials instead 
> of orange drops?
>
> Did you replace the power resistor on the output tube, as well as 
> replacing the big black one around the main filter cap?
>
> In Grundigs, they seem to be problematic.  I replace those with a 10W 
> rated sandstones.
>
> If you like, you could go back to the cabinet, do a little more sanding 
> with #600, #800, and #1000, then apply a few coats of Deft lacquer.
>
> Omer
>
> P. S. Does the radio have bass distortion when listening to Rock or Jazz 
> on FM?  If it did, what did you do to improve the sound?
>
>
> "JeffS" <four_season_photo@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:tZ-dnanXx9d4m9bZRVn-rw@csd.net...
>>I just completed my first table radio restoration and I'm psyched at how 
>>good this 50 year old is working!
>>
>> Exterior was in pretty good shape, but some veneer needed to be reglued 
>> and the shellac(?) was looking a bit tired, so I lightly sanded the 
>> cabinet with #600 sandpaper and applied a light coat of linseed oil. Set 
>> has been slightly modified to accept a new Russian magic eye:
>>
>> http://www.boulder.net/~4season/grundig_4095/4095_front.jpg
>>
>> Interior after restoration:
>>
>> http://www.boulder.net/~4season/grundig_4095/4095_back.jpg
>>
>> Underside showing new Orange Drops. Multisection capacitor is actually 
>> just the shell of the old capacitor fitted over a new F&T chassis mount 
>> part from askjanfirst.com. Had to enlarge the existing hole about 3mm to 
>> accomodate the stud-mounted part. Big black caps to the lower left are 4 
>> uf and 10 uf Solen polypropylenes. Just two electrolytic caps left in 
>> this radio!
>>
>> http://www.boulder.net/~4season/grundig_4095/4095_chassis.jpg
>>
>> Just some of the parts I replaced; all but one of the vacuum tubes tested 
>> bad; fortunately I had purchased a full set of tubes from Jan beforehand:
>>
>> http://www.boulder.net/~4season/grundig_4095/4095_bad_parts.jpg
>>
>> Original AEG selenium rectifier can restuffed with silicon rectifiers + 
>> snubber capacitors:
>>
>> http://www.boulder.net/~4season/grundig_4095/rectifier.jpg
>>
>> I briefly thought about using all German-made caps and resistors, but 
>> quickly decided those weren't likely to look any more "vintage" than the 
>> orange drops. Nevertheless, there's the new F&T can, plus a few 
>> Roederstein and Electrica parts in there.
>>
>> By the way, what kind of wood is this made of?
>>
>> Jeff in Colorado
>
> 




Article: 333115 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:54:02 +0900
Message-ID: <e2fbq8$bhj$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>


"Dave" <vintagephilcos@googlemail.com> wrote in message 
news:1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I am relatively new to radios and I keep hearing about this push-pull
> audio.  What is this, and what does it do?

Push-Pull audio uses two output tubes (or a single two-section tube) and a 
split-phase driver and output transformer (i.e. the signal is fed inphase to 
one tube, and 180 degrees out of phase to the other, then recombined to make 
a single waveform on the output. I believe most P-P circuits are designated 
AB2.. someone can correct me on this if I'm in error.




Article: 333116 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:57:56 -0500
Message-ID: <20809-444B79D4-736@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
References: <e2fbq8$bhj$1@news2.kornet.net>

THE PHASE INVERTER MAY TAKE THE FORM OF A TRANSFORMER IN ITS SIMPLIEST
FORM. CLASS OF AMPLFIER IS NO IMPORTANCE.


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 333117 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Barry OGrady <god_free_jones@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FS:  HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT  -
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:18:59 +1000
Message-ID: <6lvm42h2h8fnk92lrm9ssbg24q8erpvpen@4ax.com>
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:29:16 -0700, "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net> wrote:

>"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>news:h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:00:29 -0400, Mike Nowlen <mnowlen@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>This UNBUILT kit is in excellent, near mint condition and appears to
>>>be complete with all  documentation.
>>>
>>>Manufactured by The Heath Company, Benton Harbor, Michigan.
>>>
>>>$200
>>
>> Try $5. Fully working multimeters are cheap.
>>
>>>
>>>Includes shipping, packing and insurance in continental US via FedEx
>>>Ground.  Outer shipping carton and additional packing will be
>>>supplied.
>>>
>>>Email me if you need more details or specific information:
>>>
>>>Mike Nowlen
>>>mnowlen@comcast.net
>>
>> Barry
>> =====
>> Home page
>> http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
>
>> Try $5. Fully working multimeters are cheap.
>
>but Barry, he is not selling a fully working multimeter ... 

OK, so then he should pay us to take it?

Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og


Article: 333118 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Chris F." <zappymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
References: <j9z2g.64413$VV4.1211588@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> <guhl42h2ojfqjt10evu5k64r78mi0es0pc@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Hickok Cardmatic Test Cards
Message-ID: <00M2g.64605$VV4.1223489@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:17:32 GMT

I needed this info because I'm selling one of these on Ebay right now, and 
in the auction I said that the book had instructions for making your own 
cards. Upon closer inspection, I realized that it only described how to 
punch the holes, and that's about it. I basically just want some info I can 
print and bundle with the tester.

"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message 
news:guhl42h2ojfqjt10evu5k64r78mi0es0pc@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:39:59 GMT, "Chris F."
> <zappymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Can anyone direct me to an source of information, for how to create your 
>>own
>>tests cards (from original blanks) for the Hickok 123/b tube tester? Or is
>>there a source for ready-made test cards? <snip>
>
> I was lucky enough to get the whole JEDEC, JAN and WECO card sets with
> mine, along with a big box of blanks.  Instructions for punching out
> your own blanks are in the manual for the Cardmatic.  Usually, if you
> have a tube manual, you can figure out your settings directly from
> there, as I have with several later design tubes.  Since "Mr. Hickok"
> passed away awhile back, I have no clue as to who'd even think of
> carrying this stuff anymore.
>
> Oh yeah...the Cardmatic?  GREAT tester...if you testing oodles of
> tubes in one sitting of various types.  The weight of the thing's a
> definite disadvantage.  The 728's a bit more portable and yields lab
> grade Gm and leakage results as well.  Big downside to Cardmatics:
> those infernal card switches!
>
> dB 




Article: 333119 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:25:09 -0700
Message-ID: <jn2n42l6vspri5trltkkdo2c6ditqq1j2g@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <e2fbq8$bhj$1@news2.kornet.net>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:54:02 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
<brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote:

>I believe most P-P circuits are designated 
>AB2.. someone can correct me on this if I'm in error. <snip>

In tube amplfier design, "Class AB2" defines a push-pull amplfier in
which the peak input signal voltage from the phase splitter can be
higher than the grid is negative.  That is to say, the grids in such
an amplifier's output section can actually swing positive in respect
to ground.  Clas AB1 defines one in which the input signal never
swings negative on the grids in respect to ground.  These terms are
oft confused with the solid state definitions for push-pull designs,
in wich AB1 and AB2 simply define the amount of a waveform cycle at
full power that the respective transistor(s) are driven to cutoff.


Article: 333120 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:27:15 -0700
Message-ID: <sj3n429595s6nt5mk0rn7d6tb7tor9e08b@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145794778.091494.137380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 23 Apr 2006 05:19:38 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-Ended_Triode
>
>here's another very informative page on SET amps- in order to discuss
>push pull, it helps to also know what an SE amp is, so the 2 types can
>be compared to each other <snip>

Wow...Noodles does research!  NOT that he knows what any of this
means, but it's interesting that he's mastered the art of the search
engine.  He used to plagierize most of this stuff, but after repeated
instances of getting caught, at least he now credits his source.


Article: 333121 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:32:08 -0700
Message-ID: <ko3n42hmjig5fuj9iiuc1ujn64douvmdmh@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145794778.091494.137380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 23 Apr 2006 05:19:38 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>In a single-ended triode (SET) electronic amplifier the entire audio
>signal waveform is amplified by the triode. This is in contrast to
>push-pull amplifiers. <snip>

Noodles quotes a BAD source.  Wikipedia is one of the least reliable
sources on the web for info.

In any tube amp of AB design, both tubes DO conduct all through the
waveform cycle, in contrast to solid state designs, in which each
opposing side is indeed cut off.

The info that "SETs" are distorted and inefficient is definitely true,
however, when it comes to practical application.  Much of the "SET"
hype is from "audiophools" who don't have any clue as to what they're
dealing with or listening to.


Article: 333122 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:37:39 -0700
Message-ID: <q84n42dlcsuthqbii37g6vuctgmnbkbprq@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145795934.230383.232610@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 23 Apr 2006 05:38:54 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>here is another good info page on push pull vs single ended- it's
>really a personal matter of preference- I've compared the 2 designs,
>and found the SE design shows more detail in the music, while the PP
>has more bass and volume.  I pick the SE design by preference
>
>
>http://www.aikenamps.com/SingleEnded.htm
>
>What Do the Terms "Push-Pull" and "Single-Ended" Mean? <snip>

aka "Electronics for Dummies"


Article: 333123 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Hickok Cardmatic Test Cards
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:43:01 -0700
Message-ID: <ce4n42p3rt2d4gp286hfiaq2g948e3fhv9@4ax.com>
References: <j9z2g.64413$VV4.1211588@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> <guhl42h2ojfqjt10evu5k64r78mi0es0pc@4ax.com> <00M2g.64605$VV4.1223489@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:17:32 GMT, "Chris F."
<zappymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I needed this info because I'm selling one of these on Ebay right now, and 
>in the auction I said that the book had instructions for making your own 
>cards. Upon closer inspection, I realized that it only described how to 
>punch the holes, and that's about it. I basically just want some info I can 
>print and bundle with the tester. <snip>

Anyone smart enough about tube characteristic that at least knows
which row controls what will be able to punch their own cards without
too much difficulty.  If you read the manual, you'll see (or at least
should) see where Hickok points out which row performs which function
and the values associated with it.  That, coupled with a good tube
manual, should cover all the bases.  That's how I made "roll yer own"
cards for later beam power tubes that weren't covered by my card set
originally, and it worked out perfectly.


Article: 333124 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444B929D.11D39259@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Sarasota -- great show, thanks for coming!
References: <0ot2g.579$Vn.144@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <0pSdne9wIeg6K9fZRVn-iw@comcast.com> <B8I2g.6397$BS2.4577@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:44:27 GMT

Gary Tayman wrote:
> 
> By the way, it's an H-500.  Probably the most popular of the bunch, although
> I really don't have production numbers to tell you.  It's a little earlier
> than I first thought; it's a 1951-1953 model.


   Have fun with it Gary.  I did my first Zenith Transoceanic about 35
years ago. :)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333125 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:43:38 -0700
Message-ID: <9765-444B929A-333@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>
References: <20810-444AED74-138@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>

>From 'cuhulun':

>...if I wanted to build my own windmill 
>generator,,,, I would scrounge up an old 
>motorcycle wheel out of one of the 
>junkyards around here and an alternator 
>from a car or truck...

Seems like you'd have to do some serious gearing-up to get any useful
juice out of an automotive alternator. Even in a car, they're geared up
(i.e., the pulley is smaller than the crankshaft pulley).  

>...and I would rig some blades onto the 
>motorcycle wheel...

Seems like you'd need some awful big blades to catch enuff wind to drive
the gearing to spin the alternator fast enuff...

oc
  



Article: 333126 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Replacement Knobs
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:39:54 -0600
Message-ID: <20563-444B9FCA-973@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145759994.748247.231050@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

The link does not work .. Thanks very much for getting a picture host
started it will be of great help to everyone . I`m sure its a minor
problem  



Article: 333127 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Sarasota -- great show, thanks for coming!
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:35:19 -0600
Message-ID: <20564-444B9EB7-308@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <444B929D.11D39259@earthlink.net>

Thanks for the report Gary . I sure would like to go to those places but
i`m in idaho .. waaay to far to make it sensible .

Those Zenith tansoceanic radios are good radios . I have had so many of
them i found local i am tired of them but i do like the one with the
airplane dial .  



Article: 333128 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:50:59 -0400
Message-ID: <124n8jclssbmb64@corp.supernews.com>
References: <20810-444AED74-138@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> <9765-444B929A-333@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>

Bill Sheppard wrote:
> 
> Seems like you'd have to do some serious gearing-up to get any useful
> juice out of an automotive alternator. Even in a car, they're geared up
> (i.e., the pulley is smaller than the crankshaft pulley).  
> 
> 
>>...and I would rig some blades onto the 
>>motorcycle wheel...
> 
> 
> Seems like you'd need some awful big blades to catch enuff wind to drive
> the gearing to spin the alternator fast enuff...
> 
> oc

I recall an article in Popular Something ~1970 using a car alternator. 
The specific point in that project was that it was a certain Chrysler 
model alternator that had good output at low speeds.  I can't recall how 
it was geared and I think the blades were homemade.
Anyhoo...it was a hobbyist article and they made it sound easy :)

-Bill


Article: 333129 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Its time to fill the Picture group
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:42:49 -0600
Message-ID: <20565-444BA079-86@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>

news:alt.binaries.pictures.radio 

Its getting empty .



Article: 333130 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444ba5cc$0$31645$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e26k74$e1l$1@reader1.panix.com>
Date: 23 Apr 2006 16:05:32 GMT

Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com> wrote:
> telegraphy, radio, television.  Nowadays there's young punks out there
> who can decode TCP packets like nobody's business and understand IP
> routing algorithms.  They certainly know what's going on under the hood.

Most people don't...

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 333131 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "t.hoehler" <t.hoehler@insightbb.com>
References: <1145740845.956953.182620@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <mcadnREjAqGfUNfZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1145756168.897258.104890@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <444AE601.E511D5C4@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
Message-ID: <YZN2g.913800$x96.417366@attbi_s72>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:31:52 GMT


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:444AE601.E511D5C4@earthlink.net...
> AuroraOldRadios wrote:
>>
>> It still has the schematic under the chassis cover. Most of the caps
>> are encased in metal tubs. The electrolytic is a plug in with an octal
>> base. Bill, this radio is made with mil spec parts, not the usual penny
>> per 1000 consumer grade rubbish. That's the difference. I heard Collins
>> charged The Govt more than $700 per copy (also have seen figures as
>> high as $1200).
>
>   I have a TS-382 audio generator that was built with those military
> grade bathtub caps.  Every one of them is bad.  Some are under 100 Kohm
> leakage, and the highest ia barely over 1 Mohm.
>
> .
I have an old Bell & Howell sound projector, its caps are also the bathtub 
type, even though it dates to 1954, the amplifier caps are still fine. 
Amazing, I thought. There's an rf power oscillator in there to light the 
exciter lamp. Kinda cool.
Tom 




Article: 333132 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444BB239.88C6FAED@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
References: <1145740845.956953.182620@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <mcadnREjAqGfUNfZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1145756168.897258.104890@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <444AE601.E511D5C4@earthlink.net> <YZN2g.913800$x96.417366@attbi_s72>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:59:20 GMT

"t.hoehler" wrote:
> 
> I have an old Bell & Howell sound projector, its caps are also the bathtub
> type, even though it dates to 1954, the amplifier caps are still fine.
> Amazing, I thought. There's an rf power oscillator in there to light the
> exciter lamp. Kinda cool.
> Tom

   I worked on some of those back in the '60s, and some RCA 16 mm film
chain projectors in the early '70s.


   The TS-382 is a little older, but the old rule of thumb that the
bathtubs never go bad is a lie.  I was given the TS-382 because the guy
was sure all the caps were good, but he couldn't figure out why it was
burning up three paralleled 10K ohm 2 Watt carbon comp resistors.


   BTW, if you like 16 mm projectors I have a couple parts units listed
on my website.  I know that one is a B&H. I don't have the model numbers
handy, but I'll dig them out if you're interested in them for the cost
of shipping.  I need to clean everything out of that building so I can
rewire it and replace the door.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333133 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444BB30F.A41717EF@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Short waves
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:02:54 GMT

Gary Tayman wrote:
> 
> Tinkering with this TO reminds me of something I've wondered about for a
> long time, but never got around to asking:
> 
> Why is it that all American car radios are either AM or AM/FM, while many
> radios in other countries have shortwave bands?  I've heard there was/is
> some sort of law about selling shortwave for American cars, but know nothing
> about it.
> 
> Years ago, in places like Bermuda or the Bahamas, I recall being in
> electronics shops and seeing the racks filled with aftermarket car stereos,
> all with shortwave bands in addition to AM and FM.  I've also worked on
> Blaupunkt, Becker, and other models which have these bands.  However in the
> USA, this was/is totally unheard of.
> 
> The only American shortwave car radio I know of was available in the 1942
> Buick.  Not only is the car rare because production was cut short, but I
> understand that during the war, Buick was to remove these radios from
> vehicles on the lots, and from cars brought in for service, replacing them
> with standard AM counterparts.  A few radios survived, generally from owners
> who removed them from their cars and put them back in after the war.
> 
> Any comments?


   Its really simple. Those countries have domestic SW broadcasts, and
we don't.  People don't want to pay for "Features" they can't use.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333134 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bill Turner" <noway@nohow.com>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net>
Date: 23 Apr 2006 12:02:22 -0500

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

Barry OGrady wrote:

> 
> Try $5. Fully working multimeters are cheap.



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Wise up, guys. Unbuilt Heathkits are collector's items, far more
valuable than a built one.

Bill, W6WRT


Article: 333135 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444BB666.A5A2F664@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
References: <1145740845.956953.182620@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <mcadnREjAqGfUNfZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1145756168.897258.104890@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <444AE601.E511D5C4@earthlink.net> <2tqdncoIgahsLdbZ4p2dnA@giganews.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:17:10 GMT

Phil Nelson wrote:
> 
> > grade bathtub caps.  Every one of them is bad.
> 
> I found the same thing when I tested the bathtub caps in my 2nd Scott 800B.
> They were all bad, just as bad as paper caps.
> 
> Somebody told me that most bathtubs actually *are* paper caps, only in a
> metal shell. (There also were oil-filled bathtubs, but most of them were
> larger, used for motor start, etc.)
> 
> I would at least test them, using a capacitor checker that applies the
> correct voltage.


   All of the one's I've opened are paper.  the heat from soldering the
can shut was too much for the early plastics so paper was the only
option.  They are nothing but "Black Beauties" in a metal can, oil and
all. :(

   The ones that I have opened have the bottom soldered on, and one
corner is filled where the vent hole is.  They solder around the rim,
then fill the vent while its hot so the solder doesn't spray out, or get
sucked inside. To open the can I clamp the can down and remove the
solder from the vent hole. Then I take a torch with MAP gas and use a
small but hot flame as I keep moving it around the soldered seam. This
way you don't burn the tinning off the outside of the case, or burn up
the rubber sealed terminals.  As soon as the solder is melted I put a
curved dental pick into the vent hole and pull the cover out of the
casing and switch on a fan to cool it off quickly.  be careful with the
oil inside.  Some caps may have traces of PCBs, but you can wear rubber
gloves as you wipe it out with paper towels.  The best way to dispose of
the towels is to incinerate them along with the old capacitor in a hot
fire so the PCBs are destroyed.


   I am restuffing them with molded monolithic film capacitors that
allow enough space to keep from damaging them while tacking the corners
of the cover back to the can.  I though about soldering the whole seam,
but I decided that this way people could tell that they were restuffed,
if they took out the mounting screws. I will try to take some photos of
the next one, if anyone is interested.

-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333136 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:07:40 -0700
Message-ID: <e2gc9502j28@news4.newsguy.com>
References: <1145682114.687393.11640@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com> <36q2g.494$n13.403@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <124kmrviilc4460@corp.supernews.com>

- exray - wrote:
>  Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
> 
>> - exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote in message
>> news:124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>> If they put the same planning effort into a windfarm as they do a
>>> nuclear power plant we might be onto something.
>>
>>
>>
>> and it would take 20+ years to get one built...
>>
>> Ron
>>
> 
> Just think if the momentum from the oil embargo in the 70s had 'stuck'. 
>  By now, we (the West) might well be free from the savages that run the 
> oil market.

Say what you will about Jimmy Carter's overall performance as president- 
His understanding and response to the energy situation in the 70s was 
just about spot-on....and practically everyone hated him for it at the 
time.

After Iran fell to the fundies in the late 70s, It should have been 
glaringly apparent to anyone with a pulse how f--ked we were going to be 
if we continued to go down the path we did, but somehow it just didn't 
sink in.

Still, there is hope. I'm seeing more rollerskate cars on our highways 
here in California than at any time since the early 1980s, and hybrids 
are the hottest thing going. I guess that people are finally getting 
sick of working two jobs to fill up their Navigators with $3.07/gallon 
gasoline.

As for windfarms, there is one in Livermore, with many props of 
different sizes and designs right on top of a hill that has a major 
highway running right through it. It is fascinating to drive on this 
road and see the huge windmills all around you as you climb the hill. 
It's hard to believe that these giant windmills evolved from the same 
technology that was used to power radios in rural areas in pre-REA America.

-Scott

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Article: 333137 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:39:41 -0400
Message-ID: <124nev4bt8vhg8c@corp.supernews.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e26k74$e1l$1@reader1.panix.com> <444ba5cc$0$31645$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>

maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote:

> Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com> wrote:
> 
>>telegraphy, radio, television.  Nowadays there's young punks out there
>>who can decode TCP packets like nobody's business and understand IP
>>routing algorithms.  They certainly know what's going on under the hood.
> 
> 
> Most people don't...
> 

True.  Didn't a survey by one of the major ISPs reveal that 98% of their 
customers had never heard of Usenet?

:)


Article: 333138 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:31:45 -0700
Message-ID: <21339-444BBA01-533@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: <124n8jclssbmb64@corp.supernews.com>

>From 'exray':

>I recall an article in Popular Something 
>~1970 using a car alternator. The 
>specific point in that project was that it 
>was a certain Chrysler model alternator 
>that had good output at low speeds. I 
>can't recall how it was geared....

I'd be particularly intertested in that. I carry a 12V, 12ah 'gelcell'
battery on my mountain bike. It's used to charge the lipoly flight
batteries in my RC planes (which are also carried on the bike). 
                   Been trying to come up with a genny to trickle charge
the 12V battery off the bike wheel- like a rim-driven light generator,
but with higher voltage. Even rewound a 'Dustbuster' motor, but it
hasn't sufficient current capacity. Googled and Googled under 'bike
generator', but found nothing suitable for the this particular task. O
well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. 
                Apologies for the thread drift.<g
Bill(oc) 



Article: 333139 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: paulSPAM@paulsherwin.co.uk (Paul Sherwin)
Subject: Re: Short waves
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:54:19 GMT
Message-ID: <444bbe6d.633020@news.demon.co.uk>
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:28:43 GMT, "Gary Tayman"
<gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Tinkering with this TO reminds me of something I've wondered about for a 
>long time, but never got around to asking:
>
>Why is it that all American car radios are either AM or AM/FM, while many 
>radios in other countries have shortwave bands?  I've heard there was/is 
>some sort of law about selling shortwave for American cars, but know nothing 
>about it.
>
>Years ago, in places like Bermuda or the Bahamas, I recall being in 
>electronics shops and seeing the racks filled with aftermarket car stereos, 
>all with shortwave bands in addition to AM and FM.  I've also worked on 
>Blaupunkt, Becker, and other models which have these bands.  However in the 
>USA, this was/is totally unheard of.
>
>The only American shortwave car radio I know of was available in the 1942 
>Buick.  Not only is the car rare because production was cut short, but I 
>understand that during the war, Buick was to remove these radios from 
>vehicles on the lots, and from cars brought in for service, replacing them 
>with standard AM counterparts.  A few radios survived, generally from owners 
>who removed them from their cars and put them back in after the war.

It's because of long wave broadcasting. European manufacturers would
make car radios with 2 AM bands and possibly also FM. The second AM
band would cover LW in countries where this was used, and SW
elsewhere. It's the same with Euro table radios sold in the US market
in the 50s - these usually have a 2nd SW band where the LW would be in
Europe.

Best regards, Paul
--
Paul Sherwin Consulting     http://paulsherwin.co.uk


Article: 333140 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:57:47 -0700
Message-ID: <e2gf7402nuc@news4.newsguy.com>
References: <1145740845.956953.182620@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <mcadnREjAqGfUNfZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1145756168.897258.104890@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

AuroraOldRadios wrote:

> It still has the schematic under the chassis cover. Most of the caps
> are encased in metal tubs. The electrolytic is a plug in with an octal
> base. Bill, this radio is made with mil spec parts, not the usual penny
> per 1000 consumer grade rubbish. That's the difference. I heard Collins
> charged The Govt more than $700 per copy (also have seen figures as
> high as $1200).
> 

Doesn't matter. The last R-388 (Collins 51-J3) rolled off the assembly 
line approximately 50 years ago. Those caps HAVE deteriorated with age, 
trust me.

This is one of the finest general-coverage SW receivers ever made...The 
replacement caps, which are better than those fine bathtub caps ever 
were, cost maybe $40.00. Why take a chance?

-Scott


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Article: 333141 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <1145794778.091494.137380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <rf4n42ls6jmibrgt1nmt73u54erl6v5tg4@4ax.com> <1145804765.205019.285220@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Message-ID: <WyP2g.10639$of4.180230@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:19:31 -0400

"CAINE"  wrote in message

> even order distortion is pleasing to the human ear,

...more bullshit and nonsense snipped...

Spare me with all that Audiophool bullshit.

Have you got your unidirectional wiring yet ?

rec.audio.tubes is waiting for you...Go meet Jute there, you'll make a great 
couple...
Wait...Maybe you _are_ Jute...Under one of his many aliases...Sick.

Syl 




Article: 333142 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1145740845.956953.182620@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6366-444AC54D-665@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
Message-ID: <ZzP2g.10640$of4.180611@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:20:38 -0400


"Bill Turner" <dialcover@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:6366-444AC54D-665@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net...
> WHAT MAKES YOUR RADIO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER 50+M YEAR OLD SET.

It works....for now...

Syl 




Article: 333143 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Frank Dresser" <analogdial@worldnet.att.net>
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Short waves
Message-ID: <bDP2g.35278$az4.15025@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:24:07 GMT


"Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Tinkering with this TO reminds me of something I've wondered about for a
> long time, but never got around to asking:
>
> Why is it that all American car radios are either AM or AM/FM, while many
> radios in other countries have shortwave bands?  I've heard there was/is
> some sort of law about selling shortwave for American cars, but know
nothing
> about it.
>
[snip]

The only law I'm aware of concerning SW car radios is Michigan's requirement
for a permit to monitor SW police frequencies.  I don't know if the Michigan
state police actually use SW radio anymore.

The application for the permit can be found from here.  It's COM-022.

http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1645_3500_4619---,00.html

As far as I know, radio amateurs have had mobile SW operations except during
WW2.

Frank Dresser





Article: 333144 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444BC644.B912E44A@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e26k74$e1l$1@reader1.panix.com> <444ba5cc$0$31645$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <124nev4bt8vhg8c@corp.supernews.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:24:52 GMT

- exray - wrote:
> 
> maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote:
> 
> > Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> >>telegraphy, radio, television.  Nowadays there's young punks out there
> >>who can decode TCP packets like nobody's business and understand IP
> >>routing algorithms.  They certainly know what's going on under the hood.
> >
> >
> > Most people don't...
> >
> 
> True.  Didn't a survey by one of the major ISPs reveal that 98% of their
> customers had never heard of Usenet?
> 
> :)


   Yes, and they're the 98% that think it's OK to spam usnet! ;-)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333145 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:57:37 -0700
Message-ID: <kejn42dq47glngo8334b0pcgtnpnbk5j11@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145794778.091494.137380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <rf4n42ls6jmibrgt1nmt73u54erl6v5tg4@4ax.com>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:44:11 -0400, BFoelsch <BFoelsch@comcast.net>
wrote:

>How do poor frequency response and high distortion combine to make
>great sound, as you claim in a prior post?
>
>Just curious. <snip>

Remember, this is the idiot who opines that 8 tracks sound better than
CD-As.

A lot of the "SET" fools are buffaloed into thinking this, because
they don't understand how push-pull works.  Charlie Nudo is one of
'em.


Article: 333146 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:00:06 -0700
Message-ID: <djjn42hev02pviv6q398u2iofvonqdlnp7@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145794778.091494.137380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <rf4n42ls6jmibrgt1nmt73u54erl6v5tg4@4ax.com> <1145804765.205019.285220@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 23 Apr 2006 08:06:05 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>even order distortion is pleasing to the human ear, we can tolerate
>high amounts of it in music (up to 5-10%) and the end result will still
>be quite listenable, even more pleasing than an SS or PP tube unit with
>less distortion <snip>

Horseshit.

>- what reads great in specs on paper, may sound like
>crap and be quite thin and 2-dimensional- <snip>

So, fidelity has nothing whatever to do with it?  Insanity.

> I've witnessed this first
>hand, and went from a very low distortion, great spec'd SS amp- to a
>low powered tube amp- and now getting much more listening satisfaction
>then before.  A few links that help explain it in detail: <snip>

Your psychotic brain wouldn't know good from bad, Noodles.


Article: 333147 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:07:21 -0700
Message-ID: <uljn42pgdvtc53gtsus7q72e87cshgio21@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145794778.091494.137380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <ko3n42hmjig5fuj9iiuc1ujn64douvmdmh@4ax.com> <T5CdnZW_JehFDdbZRVn-jQ@comcast.com>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:37:43 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

>> In any tube amp of AB design, both tubes DO conduct
>> all through the waveform cycle...
>
>If they did, then the design would be class A, not AB. <snip>

Sorry, I misstated the fact through convoluted composition.  Of
course, both sides conducting 100% of the waveform would be a Class A.
Now, getting back to where I should have been, the argument that
anything other than Class A wouldn't be a "push-pull" is incorrect.  A
complimentary AB would be just that.  See the practical applications
chapter of any RCA tube handbook, and you'll see how they use the
designation "push-pull" to describe various AB1 and AB2 circuit
layouts, as do many other design and engineering tomes of the times.


Article: 333148 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:11:18 -0700
Message-ID: <s3kn42ppd6dv598a6ei4agkrc306cfh5b1@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <1145794778.091494.137380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <rf4n42ls6jmibrgt1nmt73u54erl6v5tg4@4ax.com> <1145804765.205019.285220@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <WyP2g.10639$of4.180230@weber.videotron.net>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:19:31 -0400, "Syl" <personne@perdu.com> wrote:

>Wait...Maybe you _are_ Jute...Under one of his many aliases...Sick. <snip>

No, this isn't Jute; it's Charlie Nudo, aka 66fourdoor the eBay
swindler, who used to have many MAPI email accounts until Google
started shutting him down.  He's not "well" enough to be devoid of
"sock puppeting" with himself, however, as can been seen in the
archives of alt.collecting.8-track-tapes.

Nudo's electronics knowledge is actually below that of Jute...as if
that were possible.  Of course,  Peter the Weak said the same about
me, and I went back and realized I'd screwed up.  So, I screwed up
regarding selenium rectifier stacks, swapping the forward voltage drop
(which is the ACCEPTED term) of silicon with selenium, so Peter the
Weak was correct, and I was wrong.  However, he then sidled up to Nudo
as a "pal," feeding him information with which "Noodles" can botch up
an unrestored Fisher 500C.  Oh well.


Article: 333149 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:13:49 -0700
Message-ID: <4ckn4259um8g4vddmn35i705in042mgn9g@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145794778.091494.137380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <rf4n42ls6jmibrgt1nmt73u54erl6v5tg4@4ax.com> <1145810143.972117.186580@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 23 Apr 2006 09:35:44 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>here's something else you may find interesting, dealing with SE amps
>and first hand listening experience
>
>http://members.tripod.com/~gabevee/setube.html
>
>SUBJECTIVE TEST <snip>

All of which means nothing.  The human ear and brain, in concert, are
the least reliable quantifiers of audio signal quality extant. Another
interesting fact is that many of these "audiophools" have NEVER been
to a live orchestral performance of any type, and thus, have no basis
in fact with which to judge audio.  These are the same people who
think that jocking around with "tone controls" and "equalizers" is
somehow an "improvement" to the "quality" of audio, when, in reality,
they're tools meant to cover up deficiencies.


Article: 333150 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:32:43 -0700
Message-ID: <1lkn429d80mlbs2hd0cm5b8bd7elhunqpu@4ax.com>
References: <1145682114.687393.11640@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com> <36q2g.494$n13.403@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <124kmrviilc4460@corp.supernews.com> <e2gc9502j28@news4.newsguy.com>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:07:40 -0700, "Scott W. Harvey"
<NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote:

>Say what you will about Jimmy Carter's overall performance as president- 
>His understanding and response to the energy situation in the 70s was 
>just about spot-on....and practically everyone hated him for it at the 
>time. <snip>

Amen to THAT!  And, after the idiots elected RayGun, all those
alternative energy programs (and the tax breaks to common citizens)
that came in under Carter simply evaporated under the Alzheimer's
Poster Boy at the behest of who's running the current
administration...the oil congloms.

>After Iran fell to the fundies in the late 70s, It should have been 
>glaringly apparent to anyone with a pulse how f--ked we were going to be 
>if we continued to go down the path we did, but somehow it just didn't 
>sink in. <snip>

It took me about 30 years to realize that, in a complex world such as
ours, democracy is pretty much a fraud.  Stupid people are able to
elect stupid politicians, who then go into office and work to the
detriment of the stupid voters.  It's not quite what our forefathers
had envisioned.  Don't look now, but there are powerful forces (such
as the "Rev" Yung Sun Moon) that are trying to make the US a "fundie
theocracy."  If they're successful, the USA could easily become
another Iran.

>Still, there is hope. I'm seeing more rollerskate cars on our highways 
>here in California than at any time since the early 1980s, and hybrids 
>are the hottest thing going. I guess that people are finally getting 
>sick of working two jobs to fill up their Navigators with $3.07/gallon 
>gasoline. <snip>

See all the whining in the LA Times lately?  I've lambasted their
editorial staff (who recently made a Tribune-mandated shift to the
right, possibly to placate corporate ad accounts) who have generally
been bemoaning the plight of owner/operators of useless gas guzzlers
while not exactly being kind to econo-car owners (like me) who never
drive above the California maximum speed as stated in CVC 22349a, or
to mass transit.

>As for windfarms, there is one in Livermore, with many props of 
>different sizes and designs right on top of a hill that has a major 
>highway running right through it. It is fascinating to drive on this 
>road and see the huge windmills all around you as you climb the hill. 
>It's hard to believe that these giant windmills evolved from the same 
>technology that was used to power radios in rural areas in pre-REA America. <snip>

"Old" is "new" again, and Americans aren't smart enough or well read
enough, as a whole, to know any better until it's usually amost too
late.  We're getting worse, too.  As Ted Kennedy said today on "Meet
The Press," China last year graduated 650,000 engineers, while India
graduated 350,000.  The US total?  72,000.


Article: 333151 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Delco, Bendix Car radios
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:38:26 -0700
Message-ID: <nnln42939196sibkrgkqb0knl8ue9qfmiv@4ax.com>
References: <1145239752.504524.323510@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4442FC38.DFAC17CF@earthlink.net> <1145246368.562369.129880@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <9ad642lj9n328ras9fr7pujjmnlik8l8sl@4ax.com> <1145323975.699680.244460@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <3kh84250s6ohgo22gau4ssq9iqada5gfok@4ax.com> <1145352916.105055.175410@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <i90a42lb6venei7sol9d2ov1gr1mo03p9h@4ax.com> <_WN2g.228$DT5.118@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:28:42 GMT, "Gary Tayman"
<gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote:

>By the way, Cadillac put their tuning knob back on 
>in 1956. <snip>

I dunno about that.  I've had many '55 Cads, and my father had a '56
back in the day, which proved to be one of the worst year models for
the Cadillac Division ever, for various reasons.  I remember the '56
having the red tabs and the same basic E-tuner operations as my '55s,
but memory could be failing here.  It could've been a combo of the
manual knob AND the red tabs for presets.  The Delcos in my '62 Cads
were all the late low voltage cathode designs, which many people
hated, but which worked well for me for many years.  Cadillac went to
the Delco germanium radios in '63.


Article: 333152 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:02:40 -0700
Message-ID: <o0nn425tcbghmcscg6njducmlt7k18plai@4ax.com>
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <d9edndC02On3XtbZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:11:56 -0700, "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net>
wrote:

>> Wise up, guys. Unbuilt Heathkits are collector's items, far more
>> valuable than a built one.
>>
>> Bill, W6WRT
>
>... absolutely correct <snip>

I recall an unbuilt Heath AR-15 kit (WORST receiver I've ever owned in
my life, bar none) going for upwards of $500 a few years back.  The
AR-15 was beleaguered with many problems, not the least of which was a
chronicly hot-running output stage due to inadequate heat sinks.  The
MPX circuit was notoriously flaky on my example, as well, which traced
down to bad caps.  Once debugged (and with a fan on its back end) it
was a pretty good FM tuner with an adequately beefy power amp.  Sound
was....eh.


Article: 333153 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:54:48 -0400
Message-ID: <124nqd0c016p574@corp.supernews.com>
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <d9edndC02On3XtbZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com>

graham wrote:

> "Bill Turner" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message 
> news:444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> 
>>ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>>
>>Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Try $5. Fully working multimeters are cheap.
>>
>>
>>
>>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>
>>Wise up, guys. Unbuilt Heathkits are collector's items, far more
>>valuable than a built one.
>>
>>Bill, W6WRT
> 
> 
> ... absolutely correct 
> 
> 
I hear the rattle of chains having been yanked :)

-Bill


Article: 333154 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Repairing TO carcass and...
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:52:19 +0900
Message-ID: <e2gsu2$23n$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net> <e27sjg$f6d$1@news2.kornet.net>


"Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
news:e27sjg$f6d$1@news2.kornet.net...
>
> "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
> news:e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net...
>> thinking of making it into a radio again. Anyone got spare H500 parts? I 
>> would need to eventually find a case, both antennas, and knobs. All I 
>> have is this poor, beat up chassis that I am slowly bringing back to life 
>> (I DO love a challenge.)
>
>
> Finished recapping this carcass tonight.. all but the two that are buried 
> under the BCB LO coil.. and it really sounds great now... best audio I 
> have ever heard on a TO, and it's not even in a cabinet. Now I just need 
> to work on getting the rest of the bands working.. as of now it's got a 
> really hot BCB and 4-8 MHz bands.. nothing on the rest, I figure the coil 
> tower is in drastic need of a cleansing.

Finished up repairing the carcass last night. Now works on all bands, and 
dial calibration is near perfect (it's off by under a KHz anywhere on all 
bands, and within a few hundred hertz most places.)

Cleaning the coil tower with DeOxIt did the trick to bring everything back 
to life, then a good alignment to bring it all back to snuff. Couple bands 
were pretty far off, probably golden screwdriver technician work somewhere 
along the line.

 I'm happy. :) 




Article: 333155 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "t.hoehler" <t.hoehler@insightbb.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1145795934.230383.232610@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <q84n42dlcsuthqbii37g6vuctgmnbkbprq@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Message-ID: <bPS2g.941541$xm3.193548@attbi_s21>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:01:43 GMT


"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message 
news:q84n42dlcsuthqbii37g6vuctgmnbkbprq@4ax.com...
> On 23 Apr 2006 05:38:54 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>here is another good info page on push pull vs single ended- it's
>>really a personal matter of preference\>
> aka "Electronics for Dummies"

You can certainly argue this forever, but if you're talking about accuracy, 
there is not one SET amp out there that is accurate. A tube PP amp _can_ be 
more accurate, but never as accurate as a good SS design. That being said, I 
do defend tone controls, as someone other than myself mastered the original 
recording. He (she, it) _may_ have gotten it correct, but probably didn't, 
so tone controls are necessary, IMHO. Even though SS amps are more accurate, 
I enjoy listening to hollow state gear, it just sounds good. (to me).
Whew, rant over, thanks.
Tom 




Article: 333156 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "t.hoehler" <t.hoehler@insightbb.com>
References: <1145806059.606394.212640@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Slightly OT, operating onfo for Heath IT-7400
Message-ID: <ySS2g.699661$084.625027@attbi_s22>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:05:18 GMT


"nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:1145806059.606394.212640@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Does anyone have the manual for a Heath IT-7400 "IC tester" and could
> send me a copy of the operating information? Generally the operation is
> pretty obvious, but the bias from the "step" control seems to be too
> low to operate CMOS. Also, the switch positioning for 'gas discharge'
> output seems very dangerous [to the device under test].
> Any help/information appreciated!
>
> Neil S.
>
That's the switch position which checks the IC for the magic smoke. If it 
gasses out, the IC WAS good. Sorta like the fuse testers of old.
Tom 




Article: 333157 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "t.hoehler" <t.hoehler@insightbb.com>
References: <1145740845.956953.182620@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <mcadnREjAqGfUNfZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1145756168.897258.104890@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <444AE601.E511D5C4@earthlink.net> <2tqdncoIgahsLdbZ4p2dnA@giganews.com> <444BB666.A5A2F664@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
Message-ID: <70T2g.941556$xm3.447714@attbi_s21>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:15:31 GMT

>
>   I am restuffing them with molded monolithic film capacitors that
> allow enough space to keep from damaging them while tacking the corners
> of the cover back to the can.  I though about soldering the whole seam,
> but I decided that this way people could tell that they were restuffed,
> if they took out the mounting screws. I will try to take some photos of
> the next one, if anyone is interested.
>
That is exactly what I have done, just tacked the lid on in a few places. It 
just amazes me how much room you have in there even after replacing the caps 
with higher voltage units! Say what you may about technology, when it comes 
to caps, we have come a long way.
Tom 




Article: 333158 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444BFCEF.7EE3E1AD@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Repairing TO carcass and...
References: <e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net> <e27sjg$f6d$1@news2.kornet.net> <e2gsu2$23n$1@news2.kornet.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:18:09 GMT

Brenda Ann wrote:
> 
> "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message
> news:e27sjg$f6d$1@news2.kornet.net...
> >
> > "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message
> > news:e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net...
> >> thinking of making it into a radio again. Anyone got spare H500 parts? I
> >> would need to eventually find a case, both antennas, and knobs. All I
> >> have is this poor, beat up chassis that I am slowly bringing back to life
> >> (I DO love a challenge.)
> >
> >
> > Finished recapping this carcass tonight.. all but the two that are buried
> > under the BCB LO coil.. and it really sounds great now... best audio I
> > have ever heard on a TO, and it's not even in a cabinet. Now I just need
> > to work on getting the rest of the bands working.. as of now it's got a
> > really hot BCB and 4-8 MHz bands.. nothing on the rest, I figure the coil
> > tower is in drastic need of a cleansing.
> 
> Finished up repairing the carcass last night. Now works on all bands, and
> dial calibration is near perfect (it's off by under a KHz anywhere on all
> bands, and within a few hundred hertz most places.)
> 
> Cleaning the coil tower with DeOxIt did the trick to bring everything back
> to life, then a good alignment to bring it all back to snuff. Couple bands
> were pretty far off, probably golden screwdriver technician work somewhere
> along the line.
> 
>  I'm happy. :)


   Great!  Now, for the case...


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333159 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:19:32 -0500
Message-ID: <20253-444BFD74-648@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <e2fbq8$bhj$1@news2.kornet.net>

Push,pull?
cuhulin



Article: 333160 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:29:21 -0500
Message-ID: <20253-444BFFC1-653@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <bPS2g.941541$xm3.193548@attbi_s21>

www.thebuttkicker.com
cuhulin



Article: 333161 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Shorted tuning cap
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:38:14 -0400
Message-ID: <124o0esigu7km4c@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145492536.967800.219590@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <1145572134.205546.97970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <9b52g.110815$oL.75560@attbi_s71>   <1145660605.927196.11540@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <124iu22r912gb97@corp.supernews.com> <1145829053.995364.123390@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Engineer wrote:

> Saturday afternoon, raining outside so let's try the cap problem
> again...
> Done it! Fixed! Hooray...!

Congrats!

-Bill


Article: 333162 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Ebay solicitations
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:47:28 -0400
Message-ID: <124o109g2fc6a6f@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145828329.497456.138200@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1145829397.744456.232880@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1145831447.851719.198460@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

RadioGary wrote:

> Hi Steven,
> 
> Well it occured to me just before I hit the POST button my EMAIL
> address was pretty much out there, and hopefully I killed any other
> references to it.
> 
> That's the thing, Radio Attic?  I assumed their members knew better.
> Perhaps
> not.  Fortunatly this doesn't happen often.  I did report this incident
> to Ebay.  Whether they take any action is beyond me.  Maybe a virtual
> Ebay slap on the head.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> GB
> 

I know who that person is and I'm surprised they would be doing such a 
thing.  Yes, it is indeed spam and ebay frowns on using their message 
system for spamming.

You never know about some people...like the deal with the 'copyrighted' 
auction description a few weeks ago.

I use Radio Attic quite often for selling but I think its safe to say 
you have a few 'slugs' selling there just as any other venue.  No 
membership is required and there's nothing saintly about selling in one 
place versus another.

-Bill





Article: 333163 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: ISH <ishmole@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Its time to fill the Picture group
Message-ID: <b51o42lfl3dv7kl0s0k2ss5ncf4fioia8s@4ax.com>
References: <20565-444BA079-86@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:51:25 GMT

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:42:49 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote:

>news:alt.binaries.pictures.radio 
>
>Its getting empty .


Wow...how did you do that?   I clicked on it and I am there in that
group.  I use Agent Newsreader and have never seen that done with a
URL

Ish


Article: 333164 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Message-ID: <_IT2g.41186$x97.30596@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:03:22 GMT

Think of it like a two-man saw.

One man (tube or transistor) on each end. They work the saw (soundwave) back 
and forth together. One pushes, one pulls, repeat.

The two can produce much more power together than one trying to do both 
things.

(Oversimplified but the general idea.)

Ray

"Dave" <vintagephilcos@googlemail.com> wrote in message 
news:1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I am relatively new to radios and I keep hearing about this push-pull
> audio.  What is this, and what does it do?
> 




Article: 333165 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: ISH <ishmole@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor!
Message-ID: <0d2o42p5pngfunf3aut71f2ef2v8g97pph@4ax.com>
References: <bqc1g.4141$oQ2.1299@trnddc05> <1145394582.674850.264450@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <ZVi1g.95$sh.25@trnddc07> <1145447706.106877.171460@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145522279.096850.301480@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:11:44 GMT

On 20 Apr 2006 01:37:59 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:

>I just posted a link on vinyl record productrion. You won't have to
>strain for entertainment now :-P


Skippy is not dead


Article: 333166 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1145828329.497456.138200@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Ebay solicitations
Message-ID: <nMT2g.15794$gA1.367953@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:06:13 -0400

"RadioGary"  wrote in message

Why is it that people simply assume that because some of us bid and
sell on Ebay they have to offer their wares through spam EMAIL for
their web site?   Case in point.


This is spamming all right. And using the eBay message center.

Report the seller to eBay and do us all a favor.

Syl 




Article: 333167 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: ISH <ishmole@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor!
Message-ID: <f43o4292h7388bog5tgbg1bdhkun42mokr@4ax.com>
References: <bqc1g.4141$oQ2.1299@trnddc05> <1145394582.674850.264450@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <ZVi1g.95$sh.25@trnddc07> <1145447706.106877.171460@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145522279.096850.301480@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0d2o42p5pngfunf3aut71f2ef2v8g97pph@4ax.com> <1145834356.355182.321210@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:24:50 GMT

On 23 Apr 2006 16:19:16 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:

>
>ISH wrote:
>> On 20 Apr 2006 01:37:59 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I just posted a link on vinyl record productrion. You won't have to
>> >strain for entertainment now :-P
>>
>>
>> Skippy is not dead
>
>Skippy is a cartoon character in one of Jeff Angus' favorite strips,
>Mike. "He" was never alive to start with.


Yes, but I still like his peanut butter even though choosy Moms chose
Jiff

Mike


Article: 333168 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <bqc1g.4141$oQ2.1299@trnddc05> <1145394582.674850.264450@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <ZVi1g.95$sh.25@trnddc07> <1145447706.106877.171460@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145522279.096850.301480@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0d2o42p5pngfunf3aut71f2ef2v8g97pph@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor!
Message-ID: <89U2g.3273$1J4.2988@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:33:24 GMT


"ISH" <ishmole@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:0d2o42p5pngfunf3aut71f2ef2v8g97pph@4ax.com...
> On 20 Apr 2006 01:37:59 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>I just posted a link on vinyl record productrion. You won't have to
>>strain for entertainment now :-P
>
>
> Skippy is not dead

Look who's #1.

http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/reportcard.aspx?tp=10&sd=4/14/2006&ng=rec.antiques.radio%2bphono

Sure takes the fun out of this group.

jim menning 




Article: 333169 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:28:50 -0500
Message-ID: <2054-444C0DB2-860@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <_IT2g.41186$x97.30596@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

But the guy underneath that push pull saw gets a face full of sawdust.
cuhulin



Article: 333170 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:35:21 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.04.23.23.35.20.678810@nospam.com>
References: <124n8jclssbmb64@corp.supernews.com> <21339-444BBA01-533@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:31:45 -0700, Bill Sheppard wrote:

> From 'exray':
> 
>>I recall an article in Popular Something 
>>~1970 using a car alternator. The 
>>specific point in that project was that it 
>>was a certain Chrysler model alternator 
>>that had good output at low speeds. I 
>>can't recall how it was geared....
> 
> I'd be particularly intertested in that. I carry a 12V, 12ah 'gelcell'
> battery on my mountain bike. It's used to charge the lipoly flight
> batteries in my RC planes (which are also carried on the bike). 
>                    Been trying to come up with a genny to trickle charge
> the 12V battery off the bike wheel- like a rim-driven light generator,
> but with higher voltage. Even rewound a 'Dustbuster' motor, but it
> hasn't sufficient current capacity. Googled and Googled under 'bike
> generator', but found nothing suitable for the this particular task. O
> well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. 
>                 Apologies for the thread drift.<g
> Bill(oc)

Someone who used to work with me was trying to use a stepper motor for
this purpose.  I don't know if he ever got it to work.

Use a permanent magnet motor (which is most of them).  They come in all
sizes with a variety of windings.  You will probably have to experiment
since the manufacturers don't give ratings for this type of use.

-- 
Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz.
Then replace nospam with sacbeemail.


Article: 333171 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
Message-ID: <ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:44:17 GMT


"Bill Turner" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message 
news:444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>
>
> Wise up, guys. Unbuilt Heathkits are collector's items, far more
> valuable than a built one.
>
> Bill, W6WRT
>

Yep.  Just keep watching this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624140065

My guess at the final bid:  $707.63

jim menning





Article: 333172 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444C1180.2B4732D8@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Its time to fill the Picture group
References: <20565-444BA079-86@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> <b51o42lfl3dv7kl0s0k2ss5ncf4fioia8s@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:45:55 GMT

ISH wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:42:49 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote:
> 
> >news:alt.binaries.pictures.radio
> >
> >Its getting empty .
> 
> Wow...how did you do that?   I clicked on it and I am there in that
> group.  I use Agent Newsreader and have never seen that done with a
> URL
> 
> Ish


   The news: tag converts it into an active link.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333173 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: dual monoblock project-push pull 6V6's
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:49:25 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.04.23.23.49.24.713941@nospam.com>
References: <1145712504.115944.323910@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:28:24 -0700, CAINE wrote:

> I've run across a few of these old mono record players on the cheap,
> the ones in the wooden box cabinets with the hinged lids, and came up
> with an idea-
> 
> these are mono phonographs using 6V6 output tubes, in push-pull
> arrangement,
> 
> If I scavenged the amps from 2 of these phonographs, and used them as a
> dual monoblock stereo rig to play vinyl, tape, and CD's through, what
> would they sound like ?
> 
> neat setup, or not worthwhile ?
> 
> being the original phonos used an Astatic-style mono flip stylus as the
> input- what would I have to change to accept line level input from
> vinyl-tape-CD ?  I'd like to keep the original preamp circuit intact-
> and not use separate preamp
> 
> any suggestions ?
> 
> ps- still waiting for my 7591 output tubes for the Fisher 500c


Quaility varied from one to another.  If you want the two channels to
sound alike, you would need to use two of the same model amplifier.

Some people have mentioned equalization circuits.  That isn't the only
"wierd" thing to watch out for.  I have also seen notch filters in these
units which knock out a certain range of frequencies.  These are probably
to prevent acoustic feedback (the speaker is in the same cabinet as the
changer; vibrations from the speaker can be mechanically or acoustically
coupled into the record and thence to the stylus and cause oscillation). 
Whether they have a specific circuit or not, the manufacturers did
something to prevent oscillation, perhaps by using a too small output
transformer or a speaker or cartridge which doesn't reproduce certain
frequencies.  Whatever it was, there is something there.

-- 
Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz.
Then replace nospam with sacbeemail.


Article: 333174 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444C1253.ECE74E53@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor!
References: <bqc1g.4141$oQ2.1299@trnddc05> <1145394582.674850.264450@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <ZVi1g.95$sh.25@trnddc07> <1145447706.106877.171460@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1145522279.096850.301480@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0d2o42p5pngfunf3aut71f2ef2v8g97pph@4ax.com> <1145834356.355182.321210@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <f43o4292h7388bog5tgbg1bdhkun42mokr@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:49:26 GMT

ISH wrote:
> 
> Yes, but I still like his peanut butter even though choosy Moms chose
> Jiff
> 
> Mike


    JIF is spelled with one "F", but Skippy has "PP" in it!  ;-)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333175 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Repairing TO carcass and...
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:55:34 +0900
Message-ID: <e2h455$64o$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net> <e27sjg$f6d$1@news2.kornet.net> <e2gsu2$23n$1@news2.kornet.net> <444BFCEF.7EE3E1AD@earthlink.net>


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:444BFCEF.7EE3E1AD@earthlink.net...
> Brenda Ann wrote:
>>
>> "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message
>> news:e27sjg$f6d$1@news2.kornet.net...
>> >
>> > "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message
>> > news:e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net...
>> >> thinking of making it into a radio again. Anyone got spare H500 parts? 
>> >> I
>> >> would need to eventually find a case, both antennas, and knobs. All I
>> >> have is this poor, beat up chassis that I am slowly bringing back to 
>> >> life
>> >> (I DO love a challenge.)
>> >
>> >
>> > Finished recapping this carcass tonight.. all but the two that are 
>> > buried
>> > under the BCB LO coil.. and it really sounds great now... best audio I
>> > have ever heard on a TO, and it's not even in a cabinet. Now I just 
>> > need
>> > to work on getting the rest of the bands working.. as of now it's got a
>> > really hot BCB and 4-8 MHz bands.. nothing on the rest, I figure the 
>> > coil
>> > tower is in drastic need of a cleansing.
>>
>> Finished up repairing the carcass last night. Now works on all bands, and
>> dial calibration is near perfect (it's off by under a KHz anywhere on all
>> bands, and within a few hundred hertz most places.)
>>
>> Cleaning the coil tower with DeOxIt did the trick to bring everything 
>> back
>> to life, then a good alignment to bring it all back to snuff. Couple 
>> bands
>> were pretty far off, probably golden screwdriver technician work 
>> somewhere
>> along the line.
>>
>>  I'm happy. :)
>
>
>   Great!  Now, for the case...
>

Got my eye on a case on ebay... but it hasn't the escutcheon.. so I'll have 
to find that.. plus the antennae and knobs.





Article: 333176 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: Short waves
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:09:05 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.04.24.00.09.04.452217@nospam.com>
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:28:43 +0000, Gary Tayman wrote:

> Tinkering with this TO reminds me of something I've wondered about for a 
> long time, but never got around to asking:
> 
> Why is it that all American car radios are either AM or AM/FM, while many 
> radios in other countries have shortwave bands?  I've heard there was/is 
> some sort of law about selling shortwave for American cars, but know nothing 
> about it.
> 
> Years ago, in places like Bermuda or the Bahamas, I recall being in 
> electronics shops and seeing the racks filled with aftermarket car stereos, 
> all with shortwave bands in addition to AM and FM.  I've also worked on 
> Blaupunkt, Becker, and other models which have these bands.  However in the 
> USA, this was/is totally unheard of.
> 
> The only American shortwave car radio I know of was available in the 1942 
> Buick.  Not only is the car rare because production was cut short, but I 
> understand that during the war, Buick was to remove these radios from 
> vehicles on the lots, and from cars brought in for service, replacing them 
> with standard AM counterparts.  A few radios survived, generally from owners 
> who removed them from their cars and put them back in after the war.
> 
> Any comments?

Disclaimer:  I don't know if I am remembering this right, so use it as a
starting point for research to prove or disprove it.

Many years ago, I remember hearing KOMA (1520) saying that in Oklahoma it
was illegal for a car radio to be able to receive any frequency above 1500
KHz, so anyone who could hear KOMA on their car radios was breaking the
law.  They wanted people to write to the state legislature to encourage
them to change the law.

-- 
Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz.
Then replace nospam with sacbeemail.


Article: 333177 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Short waves
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <pan.2006.04.24.00.09.04.452217@nospam.com>
Message-ID: <eaV2g.117683$oL.92600@attbi_s71>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:42:50 GMT

In article <pan.2006.04.24.00.09.04.452217@nospam.com>, wrongname@nospam.com 
says...
>
>
>They wanted people to write to the state legislature to encourage
>them to change the law.
>
>-- 
>Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

Apparently Oklahoma never removed the early radio rule.. this was back
when... police cars had slightly modified radio receivers in them... tuned
up into the "Police Band" around 1700 ... Police had only receivers.. no
transmitters in the car.. they just listened and the dispatcher told
the cars who was to go where and what for... or else they requested a
car to hit a call box and call in to see what they needed to do...

today.... its all part of the AM band up to 1710 Khz
John k9uwa



Article: 333178 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com>
References: <20565-444BA079-86@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Its time to fill the Picture group
Message-ID: <28V2g.844$Vn.628@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:40:30 GMT

Ahh, so it's noe just me.  Since I've been back (using the mindspring 
address; the gate is still down) I've noticed nothing is on the binaries. 
Didn't know if I still had a problem or if nobody has anything to show.  I 
just did a test; it's working.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:20565-444BA079-86@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net...
> news:alt.binaries.pictures.radio
>
> Its getting empty .
> 




Article: 333179 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Short waves
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:50:15 -0400
Message-ID: <124o86gssci9ja5@corp.supernews.com>
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <pan.2006.04.24.00.09.04.452217@nospam.com>

Jim Mueller wrote:


> Many years ago, I remember hearing KOMA (1520) saying that in Oklahoma it
> was illegal for a car radio to be able to receive any frequency above 1500
> KHz, so anyone who could hear KOMA on their car radios was breaking the
> law.  They wanted people to write to the state legislature to encourage
> them to change the law.
> 

Something like that doesn't surprise me.  Back in the 30s the police had 
use of the freqs above 1500 and its entirely possible that such a state 
law was enacted and never repealed.  Just like those now funny 
antiquated laws like not being able to spit on a mule tied to a post 
after midnight in the rain and things like that that are still 
technically in force.

In the English islands down here in the Caribbean the imports that come 
directly from Japan often have SW radios, along with right-hand drive, 
etc.  I had a stock one from a 1994 Nissan...digital AM/FM and 
continuous SW from 2.9 to 21.9 in 5kc steps plus cassette.  Made by 
Clarion.  No direct entry and a real PITA to tune!  I programmed the 
presets to at least get me into the various SWBC bands.

-Bill


Article: 333180 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com>
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <pan.2006.04.24.00.09.04.452217@nospam.com> <eaV2g.117683$oL.92600@attbi_s71>
Subject: Re: Short waves
Message-ID: <jjV2g.848$Vn.475@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:52:31 GMT

Is it 1700 or 1710?

Also, when did the AM expand to 1600?  I know the 1700 was only recently.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message 
news:eaV2g.117683$oL.92600@attbi_s71...
> In article <pan.2006.04.24.00.09.04.452217@nospam.com>, 
> wrongname@nospam.com
> says...
>>
>>
>>They wanted people to write to the state legislature to encourage
>>them to change the law.
>>
>>-- 
>>Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com
>
> Apparently Oklahoma never removed the early radio rule.. this was back
> when... police cars had slightly modified radio receivers in them... tuned
> up into the "Police Band" around 1700 ... Police had only receivers.. no
> transmitters in the car.. they just listened and the dispatcher told
> the cars who was to go where and what for... or else they requested a
> car to hit a call box and call in to see what they needed to do...
>
> today.... its all part of the AM band up to 1710 Khz
> John k9uwa
> 




Article: 333181 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444C23C8.1E700628@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Repairing TO carcass and...
References: <e26eoj$se4$1@news2.kornet.net> <e27sjg$f6d$1@news2.kornet.net> <e2gsu2$23n$1@news2.kornet.net> <444BFCEF.7EE3E1AD@earthlink.net> <e2h455$64o$1@news2.kornet.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:03:56 GMT

Brenda Ann wrote:
> 
> Got my eye on a case on ebay... but it hasn't the escutcheon.. so I'll have
> to find that.. plus the antennae and knobs.


   Sometimes half the fun is finding all the parts. :)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333182 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Unusual windfarm on Hawaii
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:23:53 -0700
Message-ID: <ei9o42lplp589851nrr2skcn5bt76u93sd@4ax.com>
References: <1145682114.687393.11640@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <124jfuao50vu069@corp.supernews.com> <36q2g.494$n13.403@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <124kmrviilc4460@corp.supernews.com> <e2gc9502j28@news4.newsguy.com> <1145823297.345403.248560@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 23 Apr 2006 13:14:57 -0700, "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com>
wrote:

>the days
>of .50 a gallon gas are gone the way of outdoor toilets.  gone and they
>ain't never coming back.  things change. <snip>

No kiddin'.  I remember, circa 1971, three gas stations on the corner
of Ball Rd. and Katella Ave in Anaheim, CA, all across from
Disneyland, right at the start of summer.  They were having a "gas
war," a common ocurrance prior to the '74 embargo.  I watched as pump
jockeys stationed at each corner kept changing the price displays upon
orders from the station owner/manager.  At its peak, the price for 100
octane premium got down to 12.9¢...not for long, but long enough for
me to fill the tank on my '55 Olds 98!  I remember it took exactly
19.1 gallons, which cost me a whopping $2.46.  Post-embargo gas prices
are considered by me to be the point when gas started getting
"expensive," what with 50¢ regular.  It went up agian in '78 into the
80s, and once it hit the "psychological" barrier of a buck, it leveled
off for almost two decades.  Now, we're going to play a LOT of
catch-up, real quickly.

Prediction:  $4.25/gal will become reality this summer in some areas.
Trilby Lundberg's even expecting more.  SUVs, suburbans and V10
pickups will be worth scrap value by year's end.


Article: 333183 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: dual monoblock project-push pull 6V6's
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:26:38 -0700
Message-ID: <99ao42djiuadmihlkfm3he04kc35l81g2v@4ax.com>
References: <1145712504.115944.323910@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <pan.2006.04.23.23.49.24.713941@nospam.com> <1145837497.704198.10010@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 23 Apr 2006 17:11:37 -0700, "CAINE" <trippin28track@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I have 2 of the same identical model phonographs.  Each one uses (2)
>6V6 output tubes in push-pull. <snip>

They'd be worth a lot more as collectables for antique phono
collectors, rather than to be butchered as non-working trash for your
ill-destined "project."


Article: 333184 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: AM mescellany, was Short waves
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:58:37 -0700
Message-ID: <8bao429kq0oi148k6e38s84tkssq5ct318@4ax.com>
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1145828733.146410.173750@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 23 Apr 2006 14:45:33 -0700, "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Personally I think it would have been cool if American car radios would
>have included short wave.  For those of us on the road for long periods
>of time, we're used to DXing the AM broadcast band at night for
>something new to listen to.  Now with the demise of AM radio
>programming <snip>

We interrupt this post to bring you a special report on major AM
programming changes on the West Coast.

The former KGIL in Los Angeles, 1260 KHz, recently dumped its hispanic
tenants and went to a "standards" format, all music, mostly vocalists
with some jazz and big band, with radio personalities of the past,
such as Wink Martindale and many others.  The sound quality bespeaks a
VERY tidy transmitter and exciter, indeed...the best I've heard music
on AM in about 25 years, and is certainly pushing all of 5KW, as I can
easily pick it out up here in the high desert.  This programming is
simulcast to a now-sister station in Tijuana/San Diego at 540 KHz,
XESURF, although there is no Spanish ID at the hour, as there always
was on other "border" stations.  They're BOTH ID'd on the hour and
half hour as "KKGO," formerly the call of LA's only remaining
commercial jazz station, up at 105.1 MHz, since the late 1960s.
Previous to that move, jazz in LA was heard on KRHM, 102.7, which
broadcast in FM/AM simulcast stereo from 1957 up until they went MPX.
When KKGO-FM went dark, replaced by the new "classical top 40" KMZT,
the call was freed up.

Remember the ban on new three letter calls?  Gone.  Former
Drake-Chenault programmed RKO outlet in LA, KHJ, became an "all talk"
format before its time, fell into the AM ratings abyss, and then
stabilized as a hispanic yakita-yakita station for years, with the
call "KKHJ."  Well, "KK" in Spanish is pronounced "caca," and we all
know what THAT means, so the FCC allowed the owner to drop one K in
the call to return to its original call of KHJ.  Rumors abound, now
that Lieberman Broadcasting (local interests) have sold the station,
that the Top 40 format may make an unexpected return.  What they'd
play, though, is anyone's guess, unless it'd just be a simulcast of
the original FM rock oldies station in LA, the former KHJ-FM, KRTH,
100.9, a logical rumor, since now CBS owns both former RKO properties.
The original two tower array for KHJ is still in service, the towers
being free-standing "pyramid" styles dating from 1931.


Article: 333185 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Robert Murrell" <murrellr-dummy@ameritech.net>
Subject: Who was R.P.C., Chicago?
Message-ID: <1AW2g.71174$Jd.36004@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:18:37 GMT

I was given a pre-war radio made by R.P.C., Chicago.  The model number is 
605-76 (or 7G).  Its a 7-tube, 2 band, pushbutton tuning tabletop.  A net 
search turns up a note that says R.P.C. was Continental Radio & Television 
Corp.  I've never heard of them, either.  Can anyone confirm this?

Rob Murrell

P.S. A request for a schematic will probably be following soon.




Article: 333186 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Lyndell Scott" <lfscott@flash.net>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <_IT2g.41186$x97.30596@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Message-ID: <mOW2g.4818$mu2.1007@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:33:54 GMT

I don't know what this really means, but you can pull one of the output 
tubes of a PP radio and get an undestorted sound at reduce volume. At least 
my ears hear no distortion. Does this mean both tubes are are operating as 
class A amplifiers or only when one of the tubes is removed? Would one get 
the same result from a SS PP if one removed one of the transistors?-- 

Lyndell Scott
Audio Antiques
http://home.flash.net/~lfscott/ 




Article: 333187 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1AW2g.71174$Jd.36004@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Who was R.P.C., Chicago?
Message-ID: <AuX2g.3291$1J4.2109@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:21:04 GMT


"Robert Murrell" <murrellr-dummy@ameritech.net> wrote in message 
news:1AW2g.71174$Jd.36004@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>
>I was given a pre-war radio made by R.P.C., Chicago.  The model number is 605-76 (or 
>7G).  Its a 7-tube, 2 band, pushbutton tuning tabletop.  A net search turns up a 
>note that says R.P.C. was Continental Radio & Television Corp.  I've never heard of 
>them, either.  Can anyone confirm this?
>
> Rob Murrell
>
> P.S. A request for a schematic will probably be following soon.
>
>


From:  http://www.radioremembered.org/

RADIO PRODUCTS CORP.,

3800 W. Cortland St.,

Chicago, Ill,


Brands:   - Camden, Continental, Coop (1958), Crusader, Dayrad, Supertone, Admiral, 
Fearnola, Globe Trotter, Marshall, Oriole, Slagle, Sunbeam, Radiomaster, Wondertone 




Article: 333188 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <d9edndC02On3XtbZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <o0nn425tcbghmcscg6njducmlt7k18plai@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <C1Y2g.28174$Kh5.23623@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:59:09 -0500

DeserTBoB wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:11:56 -0700, "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
>>> Wise up, guys. Unbuilt Heathkits are collector's items, far more
>>> valuable than a built one.
>>>
>>> Bill, W6WRT
>> ... absolutely correct <snip>
> 
> I recall an unbuilt Heath AR-15 kit (WORST receiver I've ever owned in
> my life, bar none) going for upwards of $500 a few years back.  The
> AR-15 was beleaguered with many problems, not the least of which was a
> chronicly hot-running output stage due to inadequate heat sinks.  The
> MPX circuit was notoriously flaky on my example, as well, which traced
> down to bad caps.  Once debugged (and with a fan on its back end) it
> was a pretty good FM tuner with an adequately beefy power amp.  Sound
> was....eh.
> 
I just got an AR-1500A.  The sound is impeccable, the tuner quite nice. 
  All that was required to return it from it's long slumber in a damp 
basement was a thorough general cleaning, including the pots--some of 
which were almost frozen.

I hooked it up to a pair of vintage KLH eight inch two-way boxes in my 
wife's office.

jak



Article: 333189 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1145828329.497456.138200@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <nMT2g.15794$gA1.367953@wagner.videotron.net> <1145842203.975644.82710@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Ebay solicitations
Message-ID: <g5Y2g.13041$of4.466420@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:27:32 -0400

"RadioGary"  wrote in message

> Did it already.  I don't see where I had any other choice.

I did receive the same spam. I am not tender when it comes to spam.

In a previous post you doubted eBay will do anything about it. Wanna bet ?

Syl 




Article: 333190 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Short waves
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:33:50 -0600
Message-ID: <2395-444C552E-342@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <eaV2g.117683$oL.92600@attbi_s71>

I used to own a 1941 chevy . It had a SW radio in it .    



Article: 333191 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Its time to fill the Picture group
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:39:08 -0600
Message-ID: <2394-444C566C-1154@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <444C1180.2B4732D8@earthlink.net>

Wow...how did you do that? =A0 I clicked on it and I am there 


Webtv rules !!!



Article: 333192 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:43:46 -0600
Message-ID: <2394-444C5782-1156@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <mcadnREjAqGfUNfZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@giganews.com>

Run it and see . I have some radios here with old caps that run fine . I
was told that they are going to blow up leaving no trace of earth as we
know it , not even one trace of dust left ..... Its all up to you .



Article: 333193 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Short waves
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:12:43 -0700
Message-ID: <geno42lhs599su8g1usraireqbvg9t57p3@4ax.com>
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <pan.2006.04.24.00.09.04.452217@nospam.com> <eaV2g.117683$oL.92600@attbi_s71>

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:42:50 GMT, k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John
Goller, k9uwa) wrote:

>Apparently Oklahoma never removed the early radio rule.. this was back
>when... police cars had slightly modified radio receivers in them... tuned
>up into the "Police Band" around 1700 ... Police had only receivers.. no
>transmitters in the car.. they just listened and the dispatcher told
>the cars who was to go where and what for... or else they requested a
>car to hit a call box and call in to see what they needed to do...
>
>today.... its all part of the AM band up to 1710 Khz <snip>

I have a Philco Transitone AA5 that coverrs the "police band" up to
around 1700 KC.  Of course, LAPD and surrounding agencies went to FM
in the late '50s, so I was never able to hear any traffic of that
sort, but my grand aunt, who bought the Philco new, used to listen in
to police calls often.  Apparently, monitoring "police frequencies"
wasn't illegal at that time.

dB


Article: 333194 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Ebay solicitations
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:14:47 -0700
Message-ID: <mkno42lns7ja0e3bn4i4ppe1v89urvakob@4ax.com>
References: <1145828329.497456.138200@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <nMT2g.15794$gA1.367953@wagner.videotron.net> <1145842203.975644.82710@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <g5Y2g.13041$of4.466420@weber.videotron.net>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:27:32 -0400, "Syl" <personne@perdu.com> wrote:

>"RadioGary"  wrote in message
>
>> Did it already.  I don't see where I had any other choice.
>
>I did receive the same spam. I am not tender when it comes to spam.
>
>In a previous post you doubted eBay will do anything about it. Wanna bet ? <snip>

Then Syl won't mind helping out to turn in CAINE, aka 66fourdoor, aka
Charlie Nudo, when he spams all over Usenet for his garage store junk
and phony alignment tapes!


Article: 333195 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:21:09 -0700
Message-ID: <nnno425mu52scto4djcejiqq60rnjn9t45@4ax.com>
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <d9edndC02On3XtbZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <o0nn425tcbghmcscg6njducmlt7k18plai@4ax.com> <C1Y2g.28174$Kh5.23623@bignews8.bellsouth.net>

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:59:09 -0500, jakdedert
<jakdedert@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>I just got an AR-1500A.  The sound is impeccable, the tuner quite nice.  <snip>

I never experienced the 1500A, but I long have remembered the trouble
I had with the AR-15.  Part of the problem was that this was a factory
assembled example.  The soldering, lead dress and other details were
definitely substandard throughout, causing me to redo every joint in
the box.  Another problem was cheap capacitors.  I never did eliminate
the output overheating problem, and sold it to an early Heath
collector after lining up the tuner.

When the tuner and MPX circuit were working, it was indeed a pretty
good, if not exactly stable, FM tuner, which needed AFC to stay on
station.  AM performance was so-so, with a noisy front end, making
DXing a little more unenjoyable.  Only two sets I've ever owned excel
at that...the R390 and my Accuphase T100, about the best AM set I've
ever heard in terms of both sensitivity and audio bandwidth, all but
useless now with HDR polluting the band.  The T100's FM section is
similarly the best, easily beating anything from Mac or Fisher in
their best days.


Article: 333196 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:26:31 -0700
Message-ID: <h7oo42hh07h31otpli5o7s865mv9ef9hto@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <_IT2g.41186$x97.30596@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <mOW2g.4818$mu2.1007@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net>

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:33:54 GMT, "Lyndell Scott" <lfscott@flash.net>
wrote:

>I don't know what this really means, but you can pull one of the output 
>tubes of a PP radio and get an undestorted sound at reduce volume. At least 
>my ears hear no distortion. <snip>

You're trying to tell us that your ears have some sort of "distortion
filters" in them?  You're probably listening to about 10% THD, if
you're driving the lone tube to near full conduction.  People
uneducated about fidelity matters seems to like this brash amount of
even ordered harmonics, but music lovers who know what music sounds
like when it is recorded certainly do NOT.

>Does this mean both tubes are are operating as 
>class A amplifiers or only when one of the tubes is removed? <snip>

What kind of amplifier?

> Would one get 
>the same result from a SS PP if one removed one of the transistors?-- <snip>

Uh.....no.


Article: 333197 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Its time to fill the Picture group
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:22:03 -0600
Message-ID: <2394-444C607B-1170@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145855251.943179.130040@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

I dont know . I was cleaning out the garage AGAIN today and found the
exta webtv unit i was saving .

I walked over to the garbage can , shrugged my shoulders and threw it in
the garbage . Zip-id-ee-do-da ...  ker plunk , thump .



Article: 333198 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:26:26 -0600
Message-ID: <2395-444C6182-343@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145854929.353894.78210@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Well .... the radio on Gilligans island worked fine on original
capacitors and the batterys never died , keep stirring



Article: 333199 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT  -
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:45:16 -0600
Message-ID: <2394-444C65EC-1172@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <6N-dnZxrM6eMl9HZ4p2dnA@wightman.ca>

There is nothing better than a cardboard box full of old resistors and
metal plates in paper bags ... i cant wait to get mine . 

No really ... you walk into a room with shelves full of un-opened
cardboard boxes with Heathkit printed on them .. It would take a special
collector for this .

I found a Heathkit motor bike once . Had a regular lawnmower type engine
, complete with leaky gas tank and nerd styling . The neighbor kid beat
me in a race . He was on a 20`` bicycle . 



Article: 333200 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <d9edndC02On3XtbZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <o0nn425tcbghmcscg6njducmlt7k18plai@4ax.com> <C1Y2g.28174$Kh5.23623@bignews8.bellsouth.net> <nnno425mu52scto4djcejiqq60rnjn9t45@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <sMZ2g.14648$iB2.5841@bignews4.bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:00:36 -0500

DeserTBoB wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:59:09 -0500, jakdedert
> <jakdedert@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
>> I just got an AR-1500A.  The sound is impeccable, the tuner quite nice.  <snip>
> 
> I never experienced the 1500A, but I long have remembered the trouble
> I had with the AR-15.  Part of the problem was that this was a factory
> assembled example.  The soldering, lead dress and other details were
> definitely substandard throughout, causing me to redo every joint in
> the box.  Another problem was cheap capacitors.  I never did eliminate
> the output overheating problem, and sold it to an early Heath
> collector after lining up the tuner.

This was a kit-built example.  The seller screened carefully in order to 
find a home for her "first husband's" old receiver.  Apparently I 
passed.  IMO, it was a pretty good deal at $50.  Research indicates that 
a lot of the original AR-15's problems were indeed corrected in this and 
its predecessor AR-1500 (no 'a').  When I first benched it, it put out 
moderately better than rated power, and the audio bandwidth extended up 
into the 50 kHz range (as far as I took it).    It was developing 
something like 22 clean sine wave volts into an 8 ohm resistive load at 
55 kHz.

The AM section is pretty sensitive, FM is solid, sweet, with good 
separation.  It's a little quirky in the controls.  There's a variable 
squelch-type control (unmarked) as opposed to a simple muting switch. 
The FM stereo switch position rejects mono signals.  FM is selectable as 
'FM Mono', 'FM Stereo', 'FM Auto' (FM mono acts as would be expected).

jak



Article: 333201 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444C777A.270DBB4F@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Its time to fill the Picture group
References: <444C1180.2B4732D8@earthlink.net> <2394-444C566C-1154@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:01:09 GMT

"Ken G." wrote:
> 
> Wow...how did you do that?   I clicked on it and I am there
> 
> Webtv rules !!!


   It has nothing to do with Web TV.  It is a properly posted newsgroup
link.  Any news reader software that follows the rules will display it
as a clickable link, as long as you uses the news: prefix


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333202 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Restoration...worth the effort?
From: Gryph <gryphonn@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97AFAD01EB1661800myola@61.9.191.5>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:04:01 GMT

Hi all

I have a 1937 Fisk Radiola (battery powered). Forgive my ignorance, it is 
about 3 foot tall, 2 wide and 1.5 deep. It has a Bakelite decoration 
around the tuning 'window' (do I sound stupid)...

I have had a reply from the guy who looks after the Vintage radio site 
(http://wireless.iserv.com.au) who gave me some basic information about 
the radio (thanks Brad). It is not a dial tuner, but the long type, with 
separate windows for local and international tuning. The cabinet is 
intact, although the veneer is in poor condition. The chassis and radio 
is complete, but I haven't attempted to test it as it has some corrosion 
and looks pretty sad. The speaker is dead and rotten, and any cloth that 
was on it has long since become nesting material or food for rodents. 
There are a couple of pics on the Vintage radio site showing the front of 
the radio and the licence sticker on the back. I'll happily post pics if 
binaries are allowed in this newsgroup.

For those of you who do a lot of restoration, would it be worthwhile 
restoring this unit, or should I leave it as is? If I do restore it, it 
won't be for a while as I don't have the time at present. Would someone 
also be able to give me an opinion as to whether it has any monetory 
value (my partner and I keep it inside because we think it is 'cool'). I 
don't want it to sit around wasting away if someone else can restore it 
and get more joy from it than us. If it does have any value, can anyone 
suggest an honest price for it? 

Many thanks,
G 


Article: 333203 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444C7846.17F64D6A@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Will this old boat anchor need to be recapped?
References: <1145854929.353894.78210@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <2395-444C6182-343@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:04:33 GMT

"Ken G." wrote:
> 
> Well .... the radio on Gilligans island worked fine on original
> capacitors and the batterys never died , keep stirring


   Gee, it was solid state and only a couple years old.  The batteries
did die.  That's when they made the coconut batteries.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333204 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Larry Fowkes" <larry@lfowkesNOSPAM.com>
References: <1145861838.045018.238640@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: RCA 7T tombstone chassis bolts...what size?
Message-ID: <TI13g.19521$tN3.7703@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:25:55 GMT


<siliconvalleyEE@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145861838.045018.238640@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Missing all four them...Looks like 1/4" diameter...length I can guess
> but
> what about the thread size?...I appreciate any info...
>
> I tried everything I got short of buying bunch of them I thought I'd
> ask here...
> Thanks!
>

In 1/4" machine screws the standard pitches are 20 TPI (course) and 28 TPI
(fine). There are some bastard sizes as well, I have run across 24 TPI. If
neither of the standards will fit it may be easiest to just run a 1/4-20 tap
through the bolt holes so that you can use a standard pitch bolt. Finding
those oddball thread pitches is a pain.

Larry Fowkes




Article: 333205 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Short waves
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:03:05 -0500
Message-ID: <8484-444CCC89-154@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>

MY 1956 TAUNUS (GERMAN FORD) HAD A LONG WAVE BAND (BLAUPUNKT) THAT WAS
PERFORMER.  I JUST LEFT IT ON RADIO LUXENBOURG (SP) CONTINOUSLY.


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 333206 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Its time to fill the Picture group
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:38:49 -0600
Message-ID: <7050-444CD4E9-1082@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net>
References: <444C777A.270DBB4F@earthlink.net>

It has nothing to do with Web TV. 


Party pooper :-)



Article: 333207 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:47:27 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e2iktf$cca$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e26k74$e1l$1@reader1.panix.com> <444ba5cc$0$31645$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>

In <444ba5cc$0$31645$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl writes:

>Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com> wrote:
>> telegraphy, radio, television.  Nowadays there's young punks out there
>> who can decode TCP packets like nobody's business and understand IP
>> routing algorithms.  They certainly know what's going on under the hood.

>Most people don't...

   True.  Most people think those address-rewriting bazingas that connect
their home computer to DSL or cable broadband are routers (they're not).

   And that was my point.  Different people, different generations, have
different interests.  Just because the current generation isn't captivated
by the knowledge of their forebears -- or vice-versa -- doesn't foretell
the collapse of civilization.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc.
------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 333208 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Are modern D cells larger than in past?
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:50:15 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e2il2m$cca$2@reader1.panix.com>
References: <2toa42tdgtsp5cu5bdrcepqrrt4r3h668c@4ax.com>   <oNf1g.23939$nA3.10441@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <HOh1g.2825$oW1.1223@bignews1.bellsouth.net> <1145476266.108047.238560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <3Uz1g.39786$x97.25749@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e26k74$e1l$1@reader1.panix.com> <444ba5cc$0$31645$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <124nev4bt8vhg8c@corp.supernews.com>

In <124nev4bt8vhg8c@corp.supernews.com> - exray - <exray@coqui.net> writes:

>Didn't a survey by one of the major ISPs reveal that 98% of their 
>customers had never heard of Usenet?

   And for that may we remain eternally grateful. :)

(Sorry, Usenet closed down.  Move along, nothing to see here...)

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc.
------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 333209 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: 8 1/2" DIAL COVER
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:53:40 -0500
Message-ID: <20789-444CD864-1011@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>

WILL THE PERSON WHO SENT ME A POST ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE SEND IT AGAIN.
I DELETED IT BEFORE IT WAS READ. 


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 333210 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:03:51 -0700
Message-ID: <e6qp42h93qf75reb5pmhbcp0pmerv7s1qa@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <_IT2g.41186$x97.30596@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <mOW2g.4818$mu2.1007@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net> <1145877637.655539.3530@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 24 Apr 2006 04:20:37 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>P-P is simply a way to get more efficiency and power, with less
>distortion.
>
>The flip side is, a P-P amp will have less detail, and not a vivid a
>soundstage. <snip>

Moron alert.


Article: 333211 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:23:37 -0700
Message-ID: <edqp42pts7m6rkhdoq18ppja0tk5fbrk73@4ax.com>
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <d9edndC02On3XtbZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <o0nn425tcbghmcscg6njducmlt7k18plai@4ax.com> <C1Y2g.28174$Kh5.23623@bignews8.bellsouth.net> <nnno425mu52scto4djcejiqq60rnjn9t45@4ax.com> <sMZ2g.14648$iB2.5841@bignews4.bellsouth.net>

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:00:36 -0500, jakdedert
<jakdedert@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>This was a kit-built example.  The seller screened carefully in order to 
>find a home for her "first husband's" old receiver.  Apparently I 
>passed.  IMO, it was a pretty good deal at $50.  Research indicates that 
>a lot of the original AR-15's problems were indeed corrected in this and 
>its predecessor AR-1500 (no 'a').  When I first benched it, it put out 
>moderately better than rated power, and the audio bandwidth extended up 
>into the 50 kHz range (as far as I took it).    It was developing 
>something like 22 clean sine wave volts into an 8 ohm resistive load at 
>55 kHz. <snip>

That's quite impressive.  The AR-15 wouldn't get half that far.
>
>The AM section is pretty sensitive, FM is solid, sweet, with good 
>separation.  It's a little quirky in the controls.  There's a variable 
>squelch-type control (unmarked) as opposed to a simple muting switch. 
>The FM stereo switch position rejects mono signals.  FM is selectable as 
>'FM Mono', 'FM Stereo', 'FM Auto' (FM mono acts as would be expected). <snip>

The AR-15 had the squelch circuit as well, something I never really
figured out what they bothered to include.  It also rejected any FM
signal sans 19 KHz pilot in "stereo" mode.  Was what extremely
annoying about this particular tuner (until I benched it and tracked
down the problem) was that the 19 KHz phase lock circuit would go
bonkers at times, creating mayhem for awhile by introducing an audibe
beating in the baseband, and then finally giving up altogether, which
would blank out audio altogether in stereo mode.  The trouble traced
down to some bad foil on the MPX daughter board, bad solder and some
cheesy caps.  Once that was fixed and aligned, it was a good enough
tuner, although AFC was a necessity if you were going to listen for
more than a half hour or so.

I remember the AR-15 really sunk Heath's hi-fi rep for quite awhile,
especially after Julian Hirsch had glowed about it so much in "High
Fidelity" when it was introduced.  After that, Heath seemed to offer
less and less in terms of audio gear, and the AR-1500 seemed to be
pretty scarce among former Heath fans.  Best Heath value-for-dollar:
The W5-M Williamson amps.  With KT-66s, they'd give a comparable Mac a
run for their money.


Article: 333212 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Lyndell Scott" <lfscott@flash.net>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <_IT2g.41186$x97.30596@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <mOW2g.4818$mu2.1007@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net> <h7oo42hh07h31otpli5o7s865mv9ef9hto@4ax.com> <jomdnYeI2_44YtHZRVn-rw@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Message-ID: <B483g.11412$%m4.7461@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:40:49 GMT

"If one tube in a push pull AB1 or AB2 amp with a common cathode resistor 
for
bias is pulled the remaining tube will shift to class A in all likelihood
due to the lower current in the cathode resistor. It may or may not produce
'undistorted' sound. If the output transformer does not saturate then it may
sound good albeit with much lower power. "

What you say makes sense. The next time I work on a PP radio, I think I will 
make some measurements so see if there is a bias shift when one of the tubes 
is pulled.
-- 

Lyndell Scott
Audio Antiques
http://home.flash.net/~lfscott/ 




Article: 333213 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:53:53 -0700
Message-ID: <4t3q42tk740jchcphmp2mnrvn13ipvlrap@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <_IT2g.41186$x97.30596@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <mOW2g.4818$mu2.1007@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net> <h7oo42hh07h31otpli5o7s865mv9ef9hto@4ax.com> <jomdnYeI2_44YtHZRVn-rw@comcast.com>

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:41:11 -0400, "TerryJ" <suptjudatcomcastdotnet>
wrote:

>If one tube in a push pull AB1 or AB2 amp with a common cathode resistor for 
>bias is pulled the remaining tube will shift to class A in all likelihood 
>due to the lower current in the cathode resistor. It may or may not produce 
>'undistorted' sound. If the output transformer does not saturate then it may 
>sound good albeit with much lower power. <snip>

Many 6L6 and 6550 amps are thusly biased.  An example if the
ubiquitous Leslie organ speaker amp.  Pulling one 6550 will shift the
remaining tube into Class A and give you about 10 watts max.
Distortion is higher due to OT primary winding imbalance, but it'll
"sorta" work.  Most amps with separate cathode resistors for each side
will generally chop half the waveform off.


Article: 333214 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: dual monoblock project-push pull 6V6's
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:57:57 -0700
Message-ID: <n64q42tn3367scfld246l421adapskojss@4ax.com>
References: <1145712504.115944.323910@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <pan.2006.04.23.23.49.24.713941@nospam.com> <1145837497.704198.10010@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <99ao42djiuadmihlkfm3he04kc35l81g2v@4ax.com> <1145893898.706650.171030@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 24 Apr 2006 08:51:38 -0700, "toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com> wrote:

>On the other hand,
>
>1. Maybe he's got ones with trashed cabinets, missing turntable
>parts...who knows.  I don't advocate trashing complete and restorable
><anything>, but if it's a basket case... <snip>

He didn't.  He wrecked a perfectly nice Magnavox "phono only" model to
scarf up the cheesy power amp, thinking he was onto a "high fidelity
epiphany."  Those models are very rare.  The thread's still up in this
groups on all servers except "goo goo," where Noodles deleted his
posts to try to avoid detection as an idiot.
>
>2.  A lot of these low quality old phonos don't bring much or don't
>sell at all to collectors.  At least the parts are not in the landfill. <snip>

True, but there was some interest in that phono-only example.  Also
true, they don't bring much, because they were basically just "lo-fi"
furntiture with record-wrecking changers and ceramic cartrdiges,
capped off with a crummy little 6BQ5 amp, a tube which Noodles calls a
"68Q5" because he doesn't know anything about tubes, and misread the
designation.
>
>3.  They're his to do with what he wants...hopefully something wise... <snip>

Noodles and wise = oxymoron describing a moron.

I don't drink coffee.  I'm just out to destroy a
fraudster/spammer/general asshole.


Article: 333215 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FM Interference
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:00:53 -0700
Message-ID: <cf4q425pjs9era54q3ilgaalj7ocm46s8c@4ax.com>
References: <1145896258.266283.139980@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 24 Apr 2006 09:30:58 -0700, "Brian" <k6sti@n2.net> wrote:

>I've got a 15-kw FM station 2-1/2 miles away. The strong signal gets
>into equipment, particularly my scope, which I often run with the
>20-MHz bandwidth-limit button engaged.
>
>I also notice interference from the FM station in some of my old radios
>on shortwave. I hear a wide, raucous signal several places on the dial
>above 10 MHz. I think harmonics of the local oscillator in the FM band
>are responsible.
>
>A little Canadian Westinghouse tabletop seemed particularly sensitive
>to the FM interference. It appeared many places on the dial and was
>quite loud. It was pretty annoying to tune through. I was going to try
>to clean up the local oscillator waveform or build a lowpass filter for
>the antenna lead when I decided to try tube substitution. The radio
>uses a 6SA7 mixer with no RF stage. I had several spare 6SA7s on hand
>and I tried them all. Several reduced the FM interference, and one was
>especially effective. I left that tube plugged in and realigned the
>radio. The FM interference is greatly reduced and no longer annoying.
>The radio seems just as sensitive to SW signals with the new tube. <snip>

Per FCC regs, no FM transmitter may emit any sideband energy more than
99 KHz from the assigned center frequency.  I'd use a dipole fed into
a spec an, and if you're seeing all kinds of sideband energy (or
harmonics) from the transmitter, file a formal complaint with your
local FCC field office...as IF they'll do anything these days.


Article: 333216 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Question for Gary Tayman
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:02:46 -0700
Message-ID: <dj4q42ti1lebua084rvordof7iu4pco241@4ax.com>
References: <1145897209.153809.159080@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 24 Apr 2006 09:46:49 -0700, "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote:

>To me it's equally as sad to see AM radio on the demise, but that's
>time and technology. <snip>

See my post re AM programming.  There seems to be a rebirth of the
"standards" format, and rumors are out there that KHJ in LA may go to
a KRTH-FM Oldies Top 40 simulcast soon.  It appears that hispanic AM
is going down the tubes, as is right wing talk.


Article: 333217 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444D1E21.FF461A67@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FM Interference
References: <1145896258.266283.139980@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:52:32 GMT

Brian wrote:
> 
> I've got a 15-kw FM station 2-1/2 miles away. The strong signal gets
> into equipment, particularly my scope, which I often run with the
> 20-MHz bandwidth-limit button engaged.
> 
> I also notice interference from the FM station in some of my old radios
> on shortwave. I hear a wide, raucous signal several places on the dial
> above 10 MHz. I think harmonics of the local oscillator in the FM band
> are responsible.
> 
> A little Canadian Westinghouse tabletop seemed particularly sensitive
> to the FM interference. It appeared many places on the dial and was
> quite loud. It was pretty annoying to tune through. I was going to try
> to clean up the local oscillator waveform or build a lowpass filter for
> the antenna lead when I decided to try tube substitution. The radio
> uses a 6SA7 mixer with no RF stage. I had several spare 6SA7s on hand
> and I tried them all. Several reduced the FM interference, and one was
> especially effective. I left that tube plugged in and realigned the
> radio. The FM interference is greatly reduced and no longer annoying.
> The radio seems just as sensitive to SW signals with the new tube.
> 
> Brian

   If you are using an external antenna you need a notch filter to
reduce the RF level from the FM transmitter  reaching your receiver.  I
think that an Amidon iron powder toroid is a good choice
http://www.amidoncorp.com/aai_ironpowdercores.htm and type 12 is a good
choice of core material.  I usually use the size 50, but any of the
smaller cores will work.  Calculate the number of turns and wind it on
the core.  Connect it from the antenna wire to a small trimmer capacitor
and connect the other side of the capacitor to ground. This diverts most
of the RF from the FM transmitter to ground and passes the other signals
to the radio.

   The exact frequency is needed to give any details for building the
filter.

  
   You may be suffering from front end overload which will require
shielding of your shop from that transmitter.  Foil or screen wire
between your radio and the transmitter will attenuate signals coming
>from that direction. Make sure you ground the wire or foil as close as
possible.

-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333218 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <d9edndC02On3XtbZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <o0nn425tcbghmcscg6njducmlt7k18plai@4ax.com> <C1Y2g.28174$Kh5.23623@bignews8.bellsouth.net> <nnno425mu52scto4djcejiqq60rnjn9t45@4ax.com> <sMZ2g.14648$iB2.5841@bignews4.bellsouth.net> <edqp42pts7m6rkhdoq18ppja0tk5fbrk73@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <Vk93g.9343$MM6.862@bignews3.bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:07:12 -0500

DeserTBoB wrote:
<snip>
> 
> I remember the AR-15 really sunk Heath's hi-fi rep for quite awhile,
> especially after Julian Hirsch had glowed about it so much in "High
> Fidelity" when it was introduced.  After that, Heath seemed to offer
> less and less in terms of audio gear, and the AR-1500 seemed to be
> pretty scarce among former Heath fans.  Best Heath value-for-dollar:
> The W5-M Williamson amps.  With KT-66s, they'd give a comparable Mac a
> run for their money.
> 
It's been a long time since I've owned any fire bottle hifi amps...too 
long.  I wish I had all the ones I abandoned or threw away (at least one 
'The Fisher' and an HH Scott at some point).

Now they're priced out of my discretionary income range....

jak



Article: 333219 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Panasonic model 8 transistor - disassembly?
References: <1145896095.786042.172260@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <ym93g.9350$MM6.2429@bignews3.bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:08:58 -0500

frenchy wrote:
> I have one of these (model r-1326) pocket transistor radio and I just
> cannot figure out how to get the thing apart so I clean a very noisy
> volume control.  There are four tiny screws on top and bottom that
> mount the front panel to the case, but I just can't find any other
> screws anywhere to take the two halves apart.  Thanks!
> Frenchy
> 
> 
It's almost certainly a tab-type joint.  Without being familiar with the 
particular model, that would be my guess.  Perhaps you can post a 
picture on the binaries.

jak



Article: 333220 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bill Turner" <noway@nohow.com>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1145904838.636668.111860@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <444d2d3e_1@newsfeed.slurp.net>
Date: 24 Apr 2006 14:55:42 -0500

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

Paul Dietenberger wrote:


> Seriously, what
> makes unbuilt kit collectors tick? Not judging, just really curious.


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Nostalgia, I'm sure. Non-hams or non-kit builders probably would not be
interested at all.

Bill, W6WRT


Article: 333221 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: IT'S NOT ME.
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:02:45 -0500
Message-ID: <2055-444D3CF5-204@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>

I DON'T AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT EITHER.


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 333222 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca>
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <8484-444CCC89-154@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Short waves
Message-ID: <Ilb3g.813$fx.139577@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:56:20 -0230


"Bill Turner" <dialcover@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:8484-444CCC89-154@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
> MY 1956 TAUNUS (GERMAN FORD) HAD A LONG WAVE BAND (BLAUPUNKT) THAT WAS
> PERFORMER.  I JUST LEFT IT ON RADIO LUXENBOURG (SP) CONTINOUSLY.
>
>
Ah: Bill! Radio Luxembourg, post WWII! A nostalgic memory of my youth! The 
only alternative, then, to the 'stodgy' BBC! 




Article: 333223 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: 3 Weeks Until Kutztown
References: <1145905425.734818.236310@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <vKc3g.2288$TT.402@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:58:35 GMT

Hi Mike,I'll have a table set up. I am looking forward to meeting other 
  RARP members. Hope the weather is nice

Mike Koste wrote:
> OK folks, here's the latest:The main pavilion is SOLD OUT, but there
> will be sellers spaces available in the adjacent pavilion. The DVHRC
> table will offer tubes, capacitors, pilot lamps and club t-shirts for
> sale. We'll also be raffling off a beautifully restored '36 Stromberg
> Carlson radio. Author and historian Mark Stein will be autographing
> copies of all his Radiomania books including (for the first time
> anywhere) his soon-to-be-published edition on plastic radios. We've
> already secured a number of nice items for the Saturday afternoon
> auction too. And of course, I'll be nearby with ten or twelve thousand
> knobs for vintage radio/tv/hifi/ham and test gear. Don't forget to pack
> your orphan knobs to match for potential on-the-spot reunions. 35,000
> square feet of old radios for two big days, May 12th and 13th. All you
> need to know is rye cheer: http://www.dvhrc.org (Just click on
> "Kutztown Radio Meet").
> _________________
> Mike Koste 
> Gobs of Knobs 
> Ambler, PA
> 


Article: 333224 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: paulSPAM@paulsherwin.co.uk (Paul Sherwin)
Subject: Re: Short waves
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:04:06 GMT
Message-ID: <444d56f0.48294143@news.demon.co.uk>
References: <%WN2g.229$DT5.160@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <8484-444CCC89-154@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <Ilb3g.813$fx.139577@news20.bellglobal.com>

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:56:20 -0230, "Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>
>"Bill Turner" <dialcover@webtv.net> wrote in message 
>news:8484-444CCC89-154@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
>> MY 1956 TAUNUS (GERMAN FORD) HAD A LONG WAVE BAND (BLAUPUNKT) THAT WAS
>> PERFORMER.  I JUST LEFT IT ON RADIO LUXENBOURG (SP) CONTINOUSLY.
>>
>Ah: Bill! Radio Luxembourg, post WWII! A nostalgic memory of my youth! The 
>only alternative, then, to the 'stodgy' BBC! 

Not on LW after the 50s though. The LW TX went to the French service
and the English language stuff went to Fabulous 208 MW (can't remember
the frequency in MHz, but it was 208 metres). Quite a few British
transistor radios from the 60s had a special bandspread setting to
make it easier to tune in this station. It had a very high proportion
of the UK evening radio audience from the late 50s to the early 70s. 

The MW transmitter shut down in the 80s. You can still listen on the
internet (http://www.radioluxembourg.co.uk/) but it's not the same :-(

Best regards, Paul
--
Paul Sherwin Consulting     http://paulsherwin.co.uk


Article: 333225 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Silvertone World's Fair 8 tube tombstone
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:13:02 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e2jm1u$cd9$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1145592667.009085.318740@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <10840-444867A8-480@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>   <1145597184.544920.91740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <1145624454.004539.304050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <XU62g.3004$k.2090@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>   <_a72g.43778$EA3.42282@dukeread10>   <1145657464.052200.310970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1145661843.206962.245000@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <3vf2g.3029$k.1677@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <Qxh2g.3877$An2.2845@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <ewm2g.3069$k.567@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>

In <ewm2g.3069$k.567@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> writes:


>"Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote in message 
>news:Qxh2g.3877$An2.2845@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>>I hope I don't sound stupid here, but am I missing something?  Wasn't the World's 
>>Fair in 1939, not 1934?

>1933-1934 Century of Progress International Exposition in Chicago.

   A fun read is the sci-fi novel "A Century of Progress", by Fred
Saberhagen.  The protagonist travels into the past from our time
(with the help of folks from the future) and goes tooling around
in a radio service repair truck.  His mission takes him to the '33
World's Fair, where Hitler is scheduled to arrive via dirgible.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc.
------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 333226 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Short waves
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:12:16 -0500
Message-ID: <8845-444D5B50-788@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>
References: <Ilb3g.813$fx.139577@news20.bellglobal.com>

I VISITED THERE IN 1955 WHILE ON A TRIP THROUGH THE BENELUX COUNTRIES.
THEY HAD A SUPERB STATION BOTH FROM THE STANDPOINT OF EQUIPMENT AND
OPERATING PERSONELL. I WISHED WE HAD SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, ESPECIALLY
THE CONSOLES.  THEIR WERE CUSTOM BUILT WHILE OURS WERE PLAIN
ALTEC-LANSING. 


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 333227 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Restoration...worth the effort?
From: Gryph <gryphonn@gmail.com>
References: <Xns97AFAD01EB1661800myola@61.9.191.5> <1145873129.100199.297110@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97B06188F961F1800myola@61.9.191.5>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:38:58 GMT

Thanks Steven (replies inline)

"Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote in news:1145873129.100199.297110
@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> Binaries aren't, but if you can find a hosting service to link to it
> would be a treat, even in such sad shape as you state. It doesn't sound
> like an easy task, but many a disaster has been rescued by the members
> of this group, so little is impossible or at least worth an effort. As
> I undrstand Fisk is an important name in your radio history, although
> the company that sold them is no longer in the audio business to the
> best of my understanding. I don't have any links for you at this time,

I did a bit of research prior to posting the original because I tend to 
retain what I think is useless information for later reference. God knows 
how my brain does it, considering the abuse it's received over the past 
42 years. The Fisk Radiolas were part of the AWA brand, an Australian 
company that produced electronics right up through the '60's if I recall 
correctly. The Vintage radio site at http://wireless.iserv.com.au has a 
lot of really good information if anyone is interested. The site is run 
by a Brad, and I am a Brad as well, so please don't jump to conclusions 
and think that I am plugging a site that is mine. Just a co-incidence.

The one I have is solely battery operated I think (when I set up the site 
I'm working on, I'll post a few lo-res pics for the curious). Due to the 
remoteness of many houses back in the early 1900's here, the company 
produced different types of Fisks (and others). There were choices of 
mains power, mains and battery, or straight battery operated units.



> but Google some combination of Australia, antique wireless (or radio)
> and repair or groups/clubs. If you have access, there would probably be
> a  newsgroup or so in the aus. hierarchy (aus.radio... or antique
> etc)..
> 
> Meanwhile, It's 3 am Pacific Daylight in the US so hang on til morning
> here and remember in radios a wreck is better than NO wreck : )


Hehe, yep, no worries Steven. It's 09:33 here, so it's probably getting 
late over your way now again.

Cheers,
G
 



Article: 333228 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Restoration...worth the effort?
From: Gryph <gryphonn@gmail.com>
References: <Xns97AFAD01EB1661800myola@61.9.191.5> <JG43g.6548$BS2.2269@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Xns97B0629B0C1171800myola@61.9.191.5>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:45:17 GMT

Many thanks Gary. I've posted some other info in reply to Steven. 
I'm still in a quandary as to whether I'll pass it on, or keep it. I 
might sit down with it and see if I can clean it up a bit. If it grows on 
me some more, I'll keep restoring. If not, or if it looks like it'll cost 
me too much, I'll eeee-bayit...maybe.

Cheers,
G

"Gary Tayman" <gtayman@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:JG43g.6548$BS2.2269@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net: 

> I don't know much about this radio, and of course I haven't seen the
> photos. 
> 
> However, you might be answering your own question.  Do you think it's
> worth trying to restore?  How comfortable are you in getting into the
> electronics to get it singing again?  How good are you at woodworking?
>  Are you willing to pay someone to do these things?
> 
> As for monetary value, certain radios can really bring in the money,
> but the vast majority are good for a couple hundred at best, once
> restored.  The rule of thumb, just like with classic cars and other
> items, is this:  unless you're REALLY sharp at what you're doing, you
> won't make a profit.  So if you're looking at this radio as a way of
> making money, you're better off to walk away from it.  If you want to
> fix it up for hobby, experience, or sentimental reasons, by all means
> go for it. 
> 
> 
> 



Article: 333229 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <NSx2g.518$ZQ3.378@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1145753003.797514.87200@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Restored Antique Radios & TV's FS
Message-ID: <gsd3g.1317$Gg.1252@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:47:24 GMT

Thanks.  Yea... The Brunswick was a "Challenge set"     and ALOT of work!
It has a nice spot in my collection now... as an example of just what CAN be 
done if your really into it and the set warrants it :-)

Keith


"Dave" <vintagephilcos@googlemail.com> wrote in message 
news:1145753003.797514.87200@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>I had a look through your site, and I couldn't beleive how good a job
> you did on that Brunswick 31S.  It truly was in bad condition, but
> looks heaps better now.  By the way, good site.
> 




Article: 333230 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <1145905425.734818.236310@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <vKc3g.2288$TT.402@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: 3 Weeks Until Kutztown
Message-ID: <2Ad3g.1320$Gg.32@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:55:42 GMT

Ill be there too!  looking for those better quality Roachy sets for 
restoration, but hopefully not as roachy as my Brunswick was :-)

Keith

"Lou deGonzague" <zenith@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:vKc3g.2288$TT.402@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Hi Mike,I'll have a table set up. I am looking forward to meeting other 
> RARP members. Hope the weather is nice
>
> Mike Koste wrote:
>> OK folks, here's the latest:The main pavilion is SOLD OUT, but there
>> will be sellers spaces available in the adjacent pavilion. The DVHRC
>> table will offer tubes, capacitors, pilot lamps and club t-shirts for
>> sale. We'll also be raffling off a beautifully restored '36 Stromberg
>> Carlson radio. Author and historian Mark Stein will be autographing
>> copies of all his Radiomania books including (for the first time
>> anywhere) his soon-to-be-published edition on plastic radios. We've
>> already secured a number of nice items for the Saturday afternoon
>> auction too. And of course, I'll be nearby with ten or twelve thousand
>> knobs for vintage radio/tv/hifi/ham and test gear. Don't forget to pack
>> your orphan knobs to match for potential on-the-spot reunions. 35,000
>> square feet of old radios for two big days, May 12th and 13th. All you
>> need to know is rye cheer: http://www.dvhrc.org (Just click on
>> "Kutztown Radio Meet").
>> _________________
>> Mike Koste Gobs of Knobs Ambler, PA
>> 




Article: 333231 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: dual monoblock project-push pull 6V6's
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:01:13 -0700
Message-ID: <pgpq42lfl7co380ndniehnf5l62ic0ocv7@4ax.com>
References: <1145712504.115944.323910@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <pan.2006.04.23.23.49.24.713941@nospam.com> <1145837497.704198.10010@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <99ao42djiuadmihlkfm3he04kc35l81g2v@4ax.com> <1145893898.706650.171030@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <n64q42tn3367scfld246l421adapskojss@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2404061609590001@216-80-74-43.d.enteract.com>

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:09:58 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>In article <n64q42tn3367scfld246l421adapskojss@4ax.com>,
>desertb@rglobal.net wrote:
>
>> On 24 Apr 2006 08:51:38 -0700, "toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On the other hand,
>> >
>> >1. Maybe he's got ones with trashed cabinets, missing turntable
>> >parts...who knows.  I don't advocate trashing complete and restorable
>> ><anything>, but if it's a basket case... <snip>
>> 
>> He didn't.  He wrecked a perfectly nice Magnavox "phono only" model to
>> scarf up the cheesy power amp, thinking he was onto a "high fidelity
>> epiphany."  Those models are very rare.  The thread's still up in this
>> groups on all servers except "goo goo," where Noodles deleted his
>> posts to try to avoid detection as an idiot.
>
>Bob, you are the idiot here, and a special detector isn't even required to
>make the determination.  Assuming that the thread we are talking about is
>the current thread, what makes you think the phono in question is a
>"Magnavox" model?  I don't remember CAINE making any statement to that
>effect in this thread, and I have been following it from the beginning. <snip>

Not THIS thread....look back aways.
>
>Also Magnavox built very few models using magnetic pickups, and the
>amplifier in question was designed for use with a magnetic pickup.  I
>assume the phono was some sort of "industrial" type phono, did Magnavox
>make those? <snip>

You may or may not be an idiot, but you are certainly guilty of
shooting from the hip and having myopic vision.  Try researching
sometime; it'll save you further embarassment.
>
>The amplifier in question was originally designed for use with a magnetic
>pickup cartridge, not a ceramic.  What is all this talk about "68Q5s, I
>don't remember CAINE mentioning any power tubes other than 6V6s in this
>thread?  You must be dragging another thread into the discussion. <snip>

Yes, as I said.  Try to pay attention.
>
>> >3.  They're his to do with what he wants...hopefully something wise... <snip>
>
>Indeed.
>
>> I don't drink coffee.  I'm just out to destroy a
>> fraudster/spammer/general asshole.
>
>This post makes you look like the general fraudster/spammer/asshole what
>with all the misinformation you have dragged in. <snip>

Not misinformation.  You don't know how to research, nor do you
understand that this idiot is just that...an idiot.  Yet, you call me
the same thing.  That doesn't say much for you, now, does it?

*PLONK*

There...go swim in the cesspool.


Article: 333232 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "oldfogie" <oldfogie@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Victrolas
Message-ID: <1Fd3g.19824$Kn4.4697@bignews2.bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:00:15 -0500

I just found this forum, and though it's named radio+phono, seems to be
almost nothing about phonos, or wind up record players.
Does anyone know of a forum dedicated to wind-up  Victrolas, etc?
I just obtained a Victor VE8-30X victrola, and one or more parts are
missing. It uses an electric motor instead of wind-up. One thing I know is
missing is the brake. And there is a speed adjustment knob on the top near
the turntable, but there is nothing underneath it.
I would appreciate any info on victrola parts places, and any forums for old
phonos/record players.
Thanks, Malcolm B.




Article: 333233 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Short waves
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:04:09 -0700
Message-ID: <iqpq42hpj1uu8hseqmnqi7ljbi1db3c6om@4ax.com>
References: <Ilb3g.813$fx.139577@news20.bellglobal.com> <8845-444D5B50-788@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:12:16 -0500, dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
wrote:

>THEIR WERE CUSTOM BUILT WHILE OURS WERE PLAIN
>ALTEC-LANSING. <snip>

Altec consoles and line amp equipment, of course, were nothing to
sneeze at, either.


Article: 333234 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:22:43 -0700
Message-ID: <orqq42lbrsr35iuluusb26i1lerfd0do02@4ax.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <_IT2g.41186$x97.30596@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <mOW2g.4818$mu2.1007@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net> <1145877637.655539.3530@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9NmdnQ8soIDY9NDZnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@giganews.com>

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:11:59 -0400, "Ken Doyle"
<kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> The flip side is, a P-P amp will have less detail, and not a vivid a
>> soundstage.
>
>We don't use such terms here in RARP. <snip>

Only morons like Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA, aka "CAINE" and
"66fourdoor" would use such moronic terms to describe high amounts of
THD.  He also can't figure out why his cheap mag cartridge sounds
"tinny" and "soft" when jammed into the ceramic phono input of a
couple of cheap school phonographs.  I guess it's OK...the idiot at
least is off the streets while doing this insanity.


Article: 333235 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "clfe" <Nospam@clfurent.com>
References: <1145896258.266283.139980@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <cf4q425pjs9era54q3ilgaalj7ocm46s8c@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: FM Interference
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:30:58 -0400
Message-ID: <444d6dc5$0$3687$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net>

"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message 
news:cf4q425pjs9era54q3ilgaalj7ocm46s8c@4ax.com...
> On 24 Apr 2006 09:30:58 -0700, "Brian" <k6sti@n2.net> wrote:
>
>>I've got a 15-kw FM station 2-1/2 miles away. The strong signal gets
>>into equipment, particularly my scope, which I often run with the
>>20-MHz bandwidth-limit button engaged.
>>
>>I also notice interference from the FM station in some of my old radios
>>on shortwave. I hear a wide, raucous signal several places on the dial
>>above 10 MHz. I think harmonics of the local oscillator in the FM band
>>are responsible.
>>
>>A little Canadian Westinghouse tabletop seemed particularly sensitive
>>to the FM interference. It appeared many places on the dial and was
>>quite loud. It was pretty annoying to tune through. I was going to try
>>to clean up the local oscillator waveform or build a lowpass filter for
>>the antenna lead when I decided to try tube substitution. The radio
>>uses a 6SA7 mixer with no RF stage. I had several spare 6SA7s on hand
>>and I tried them all. Several reduced the FM interference, and one was
>>especially effective. I left that tube plugged in and realigned the
>>radio. The FM interference is greatly reduced and no longer annoying.
>>The radio seems just as sensitive to SW signals with the new tube. <snip>
>
> Per FCC regs, no FM transmitter may emit any sideband energy more than
> 99 KHz from the assigned center frequency.  I'd use a dipole fed into
> a spec an, and if you're seeing all kinds of sideband energy (or
> harmonics) from the transmitter, file a formal complaint with your
> local FCC field office...as IF they'll do anything these days.

"IF" the FM Transmitter is at fault, it would be a bit more professional or 
at least polite - to contact the Station Engineer first, maybe they're not 
aware of the issue. Give them a chance to rectify the problem if such 
exists. And as to the FCC, I do believe they "will" do something. They've 
been busting stations for many issues - ie - tower lighting, station records 
not up to date, etc. And - I'm talking some hefty fines in some cases. And 
yes, the "tower lighting" alone brings hefty fines. But things such as 
station records not up to par were fetching a few grand. So - yes - if made 
aware of a situation, I'm sure they'd take a look at it. Their first choice 
may be to forward a copy of your complaint to the station and advise them to 
clean it up - if at fault.

Otherwise, I have to agree with another poster - it could be Front end 
overload. As you've learned, some action "does" help - at times.




Article: 333236 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
Subject: Veneer experts arise!
Message-ID: <yhe3g.28$I_1.20@newsfe23.lga>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:43:13 -0500

Question for the veneer experts in this august gathering:
I have a radio here, with the veneer carried from the top back of
the console over a curve and down the front.  (Waterfall?)
Over the curve, the veneer is lifted off the backing wood, as though
the veneer was too long, or the back wood (more likely in this
climate) shrank.
The veneer is not broken, but it is standing free of the surface below.
Would you just try filling under it, or would you try to lift and
re-lay the veneer?  Photo on the binaries. (Just so there's
something there.)
Cheers,
Nelson





Article: 333237 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Stromberg-Carlson expert please!
Message-ID: <a5tq42he2b6flka4bvt32773kvfr5dlki8@4ax.com>
References: <1145908705.314596.154230@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <BLqdnQ31ILtI09DZRVn-vw@giganews.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:11:10 GMT

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:19:12 -0400, "Ken Doyle"
<kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Looks like a VM record changer.  You can get parts at
>http://www.thevoiceofmusic.com/
>
Yes, it looks like a VM model 400
Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 333238 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: dual monoblock project-push pull 6V6's
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:15:52 -0400
Message-ID: <4b5bi9Fv74rkU1@individual.net>
References: <1145712504.115944.323910@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <pan.2006.04.23.23.49.24.713941@nospam.com> <1145837497.704198.10010@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <99ao42djiuadmihlkfm3he04kc35l81g2v@4ax.com> <1145893898.706650.171030@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <n64q42tn3367scfld246l421adapskojss@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2404061609590001@216-80-74-43.d.enteract.com>

John Byrns wrote:


> 
> Bob, you are the idiot here, and a special detector isn't even required to
> make the determination.  Assuming that the thread we are talking about is
> the current thread, what makes you think the phono in question is a
> "Magnavox" model?  I don't remember CAINE making any statement to that
> effect in this thread, and I have been following it from the beginning.

apparently, you did not read bobs posting thoroughly before making this
stupid remark.
bob was reffering to a post that charlie made to this group last year. in
fact, it was due to a post that charlie was SPAMMING this (and other
groups). it turned into a long & rediculous thread in which charlie called
one of the female posters to this group a bitch.
it was about parting out a magnavox console phonograph.

> 
> Also Magnavox built very few models using magnetic pickups, and the
> amplifier in question was designed for use with a magnetic pickup.  I
> assume the phono was some sort of "industrial" type phono, did Magnavox
> make those?

Magnavox never did make a tube type console using a magnetic cartridge.
the console that nudo gutted was a early sixties model


> 
> The amplifier in question was originally designed for use with a magnetic
> pickup cartridge, not a ceramic.  

NO, your wrong, they were designed for ceramic cartridges.



> 
> This post makes you look like the general fraudster/spammer/asshole what
> with all the misinformation you have dragged in.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Byrns
> 
> 
> Surf my web pages at,  http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/

& your baseless reply to this thread make you look like a total idiot
because you would not take the time to research NUDOs history.
i warned RAR+P about this last year that nudo was going to destroy this
group, just like he did with AC8TT newsgroup
-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 333239 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Uncle Peter" <radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM>
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
Message-ID: <6_e3g.15396$NG.10809@dukeread10>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:31:42 -0400


"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>  > Yep.  Just keep watching this one:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624140065
>
> My guess at the final bid:  $707.63
>
> jim menning
>

I believe Zenith "persuaded" to discontinue that particular kit... It was a
too obvious
TO 3000 clone. I'd bet it is also a rare model in its own right.

pete




Article: 333240 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "oldfogie" <oldfogie@bellsouth.net>
References: <1Fd3g.19824$Kn4.4697@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <cdWdnSo7za6n9tDZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com>
Subject: Re: Victrolas
Message-ID: <t2f3g.8611$t61.1348@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:35:29 -0500


"Ken Doyle" <kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cdWdnSo7za6n9tDZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com...
There are some people here that are experts on acoustic phonographs.

There is also a forum here:
http://sonoraman.proboards107.com/
Warning:  They get silly at times.

Why would you need a brake with an electric motor?

Ken D.

Well, you got me there! It would stop when switched off, but I think there
was a brake  originally, there is a hole with a metal washer just by the
lever that operates the switch. I'm would be tempted to think it may have
been modified to electric from wind-up, but there is no hole in the side of
the cabinet for the wind-up crank. Am also wondering about the speed
adjustment knob with nothing under it to do anything. There is a
label/picture on the under side of the motor/turntable board showing a
picture of the motor with points to be lubricated/oiled, and it doesn't look
anything like the motor that's there,  so the motor has obviously been
replaced. I just hope it's speed is correct to give 78 rpms. (The picture
shows a governor on the motor, with a lever extending over that probably
went under the speed adj..I may have  got a pig-in-a-poke, but hope not.
Haven't actually tried it yet because the rubber motor grommets need
replacing, and tone arm needs some work.

Thanks for the replies, will check the forum mentioned.




Article: 333241 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <6_e3g.15396$NG.10809@dukeread10>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
Message-ID: <33f3g.3344$1J4.604@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:37:03 GMT


" Uncle Peter" <radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM> wrote in message 
news:6_e3g.15396$NG.10809@dukeread10...
>
> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>  > Yep.  Just keep watching this one:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624140065
>>
>> My guess at the final bid:  $707.63
>>
>> jim menning
>>
>
> I believe Zenith "persuaded" to discontinue that particular kit... It was a
> too obvious
> TO 3000 clone. I'd bet it is also a rare model in its own right.
>
> pete
>
>

Didn't Zenith and Heathkit team up in their later years?

jim menning 




Article: 333242 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444D7D6E.67DA4AD3@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:38:39 GMT

Steven wrote:
> 
> To the poster:
> 
> The way Google compiles these things, I could hope you are not "Cin" in
> alt.support.grief and we don't think our Bill could be a regular poster
> to alt.sex.passwords (sic), and no I didn't look. Since we already have
> an existing Bill Turner, who is QUITE well known, and you seem to be a
> concern to him (and since you've been here before as I recall), could
> you think about adopting a different tag at the least?
> 
> Bill has had enough problems lately.


   Look at the headers, dumbass. THIS Bill Turner is a regular poster on
the news:rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors newsgroup so why should he have
to change his name to please your paranoid little mind?  You would have
seen that the thread is cross posted to three newsgroups, if you had
bothered to look.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333243 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <444D7E20.301ECD56@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <6_e3g.15396$NG.10809@dukeread10> <33f3g.3344$1J4.604@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:41:36 GMT

jim menning wrote:
> 
> " Uncle Peter" <radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM> wrote in message
> news:6_e3g.15396$NG.10809@dukeread10...
> >
> > "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >>  > Yep.  Just keep watching this one:
> >>
> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624140065
> >>
> >> My guess at the final bid:  $707.63
> >>
> >> jim menning
> >>
> >
> > I believe Zenith "persuaded" to discontinue that particular kit... It was a
> > too obvious
> > TO 3000 clone. I'd bet it is also a rare model in its own right.
> >
> > pete
> >
> >
> 
> Didn't Zenith and Heathkit team up in their later years?
> 
> jim menning


   Zenith bought Heathkit to become "established" in the personal
computer business to bid on a number of computer contracts with the US
military.  I had the news clipping somewhere from a trade journal, but I
haven't seen it in some time.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333244 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Veneer experts arise!
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:01:51 -0400
Message-ID: <124r0og4esejlcb@corp.supernews.com>
References: <yhe3g.28$I_1.20@newsfe23.lga>

Slit the area, inject or shove yellow glue beneath, iron.

John H. 




Article: 333245 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Victrolas
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:03:20 -0400
Message-ID: <124r0r8npfui805@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1Fd3g.19824$Kn4.4697@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <cdWdnSo7za6n9tDZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com> <t2f3g.8611$t61.1348@bignews6.bellsouth.net>

To my knowledge all early Victor electric motors had brakes AND governors.

John H. 




Article: 333246 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: 3 Weeks Until Kutztown
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:07:43 -0400
Message-ID: <124r13g55a0ofa7@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145905425.734818.236310@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <vKc3g.2288$TT.402@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <2Ad3g.1320$Gg.32@twister.nyroc.rr.com>

 I'll be there, near the front of the pavilion, should have a Zenith 75 for 
sale.

Pay no attention to Keith, he's looking for decent restorable sets (pre-war 
woodens) needing only light cabinet work but that are still not expensive. 
He's already got more basket cases than a basement needs :)

John H. 




Article: 333247 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Push Pull Audio
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:15:40 -0400
Message-ID: <124r1idhi5fgbd2@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1145775882.810285.166160@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <_IT2g.41186$x97.30596@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>   <mOW2g.4818$mu2.1007@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net> <1145877637.655539.3530@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>


"CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1145877637.655539.3530@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>
> The flip side is, a P-P amp will have less detail, and not a vivid a
> soundstage.
>

Also the pacing may be affected, like the way acoustic coupling can affect 
the filament supports in non-Western Electric triodes (or NOWET's) producing 
a hideous cacophony of discordant sounds.

Much of the pacing degradation can be cured by soaking the tube bases in 
Holy Water for several weeks followed by Deep Cryogenic Sonic Molecular 
Realignment.

John H. 




Article: 333248 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Who was R.P.C., Chicago?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:41:35 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e2k28v$rid$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1AW2g.71174$Jd.36004@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net> <AuX2g.3291$1J4.2109@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>

In <AuX2g.3291$1J4.2109@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> writes:

>From:  http://www.radioremembered.org/

>RADIO PRODUCTS CORP.,

>3800 W. Cortland St.,

>Chicago, Ill,


>Brands:   - Camden, Continental, Coop (1958), Crusader, Dayrad, Supertone, Admiral, 
>Fearnola, <snip>

   'Fearnola"?!!  That's great!  From the above link they sold sets made
by Continental, Wells-Gardner, and Warwick.

   Heh.  Gotta go check out the Fearnola.  I'll no doubt be disappointed...

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 333249 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Restoration...worth the effort?
From: Gryph <gryphonn@gmail.com>
References: <Xns97AFAD01EB1661800myola@61.9.191.5> <JG43g.6548$BS2.2269@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <Xns97B0629B0C1171800myola@61.9.191.5> <IYydnTLuB-TZ9tDZRVn-rg@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97B081D8358701800myola@61.9.191.5>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:49:33 GMT

Tom Adkins <newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote in
news:IYydnTLuB-TZ9tDZRVn-rg@comcast.com: 

> Gryph wrote:
>> Many thanks Gary. I've posted some other info in reply to Steven. 
>> I'm still in a quandary as to whether I'll pass it on, or keep it. I 
>> might sit down with it and see if I can clean it up a bit. If it
>> grows on me some more, I'll keep restoring. If not, or if it looks
>> like it'll cost me too much, I'll eeee-bayit...maybe.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> G
>> 
>   You gotta watch when you start to "just clean it up a little..."
>   You'll probably 
> just keep on going.
>   A friend once gave me a really sad Majestic 30. I repaired the
>   chassis out of 
> boredom and sat the cabinet aside. It was water damaged with lots of
> missing veneer and delaminated cross banding. I almost tossed the
> cabinet out a few times.There wasn't a tight joint on it. One day I
> thought "hmm, I'll just trim this and put some glue there and see how
> that looks". 3 weeks later I gave my friend a nicely restored Majestic
> 30 for his birthday. 
> 

Hehehe, yep, sounds just like something I'd do. The cabinet on this one 
is as solid as a rock. The veneer is a bit dodgy though. The chassis is 
no good, but I have a 50's vintage AWA stereo record player and valve 
radio combo sitting out the back. It is mostly particle board, but the 
radio was working last time I tried it. The speakers are missing and I 
have no idea where they got to as they were in it when I picked it up at 
a garage sale about ten years or so ago. I'll have to see if I can 
butcher it for parts... or restore it too...dammit, I shouldn't have even 
thought about them. I'll be off on a project that'll get half finished 
again. I've got 4 cars in various states of repair that I need to do 
something with too! Too much stuff, too little time. 

Cheers,
G


Article: 333250 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1AW2g.71174$Jd.36004@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net> <AuX2g.3291$1J4.2109@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <e2k28v$rid$1@reader1.panix.com>
Subject: Re: Who was R.P.C., Chicago?
Message-ID: <u6g3g.3351$1J4.1566@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:48:58 GMT


"Tim Mullen" <tim@panix.com> wrote in message news:e2k28v$rid$1@reader1.panix.com...
>
>   Heh.  Gotta go check out the Fearnola.  I'll no doubt be disappointed...
>
>


http://www.eyetubes.com/fearnola01.htm 




Article: 333251 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Restoration...worth the effort?
From: Gryph <gryphonn@gmail.com>
References: <Xns97AFAD01EB1661800myola@61.9.191.5> <JG43g.6548$BS2.2269@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <Xns97B0629B0C1171800myola@61.9.191.5> <IYydnTLuB-TZ9tDZRVn-rg@comcast.com> <1145927259.798481.263540@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97B082701CE4D1800myola@61.9.191.5>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:53:03 GMT

"Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote in news:1145927259.798481.263540
@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> Like taking in a stray animal you swear you can't take care of. huh?
> 
> 

Yep, we do that too. Six dogs and counting again. We had 23 or so at one 
stage. Good thing we live in the bush and not the city. We've got old 
furniture in the shed, old cars in the yard, crusty old people tapping on 
the computer keyboard, hubcaps, bottles etc etc...a regular junkyard or 
treasure hunters dream and none of it is for sale (except some stuff but 
I'm not about to become a spammer :o)   ).

Cheers,
G


Article: 333252 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Veneer experts arise!
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:07:57 -0600
Message-ID: <17253-444D928D-1199@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <124r0og4esejlcb@corp.supernews.com>

Slit the area, inject or shove yellow glue beneath, iron. 
John H.

John  it seems in this case the veneer would need great force to get it
back down to stay . I have tried the iron with poor results . However if
you try this you probably want to place one layer of standard paper down
to keep from burning the veneer . 



Article: 333253 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Veneer experts arise!
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:02:28 -0600
Message-ID: <17253-444D9144-1197@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <yhe3g.28$I_1.20@newsfe23.lga>

I posted an answer in the picture NG where you put the picture . A strap
clamp and piece of plastic arrangement would work . 



Article: 333254 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Panasonic model 8 transistor - disassembly?
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:17:04 -0600
Message-ID: <17253-444D94B0-1201@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1145909810.601399.236220@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

With the front off you should be able to reach the red hose from a can
of spray into the control . wd-40 works well and wont damage plastics .
just keep control not to over spray to much   



Article: 333255 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: 8 1/2" DIAL COVER
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:23:17 -0600
Message-ID: <17254-444D9625-369@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <20789-444CD864-1011@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>

MAKE THAT CLICK ON... DISCARDED..
AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE 



Article: 333256 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: 8 1/2" DIAL COVER
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:20:11 -0600
Message-ID: <17255-444D956B-113@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <20789-444CD864-1011@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>

BILL GO TO MAIL STORAGE THEN AT THE TOP CLICK ON DELETED MAIL TO SEE
YOUR DELETED MAIL .



Article: 333257 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rob Mills" <robmills@cox.net>
References: <iork42l10eg8aeti1hghg05ifh42j00gc6@4ax.com> <h4ol42tamfj8qkjsmlm9i6q7dv5vcb4iak@4ax.com> <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> <ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <6_e3g.15396$NG.10809@dukeread10> <33f3g.3344$1J4.604@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT -
Message-ID: <pHh3g.26944$IZ2.2141@dukeread07>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:36:35 -0500


"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:33f3g.3344$1J4.604@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...

>>> Didn't Zenith and Heathkit team up in their later years?<<<

I've seen the name Heath/Zenith on motion sensing lights sold by Home Depot 
just recently. RM~




Article: 333258 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Ed" <none@this.time>
Subject: Hallicrafters R-12 Floor Model Speaker
Message-ID: <fTh3g.63683$F_3.62203@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:49:15 GMT

I have acquired one of these speakers. For those unaware, it did not come 
with a natural wood finish, but was painted gray with a red accent stripe. I 
am going to have to do some touch-up work or a repaint. Does anyone know 
what type of paint was used for it, I am guessing laquer but not sure. Any 
experiences with this speaker would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Ed 




Article: 333259 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Who was R.P.C., Chicago?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:51:52 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e2k9t8$3bg$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1AW2g.71174$Jd.36004@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net> <AuX2g.3291$1J4.2109@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <e2k28v$rid$1@reader1.panix.com> <u6g3g.3351$1J4.1566@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>

In <u6g3g.3351$1J4.1566@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> writes:

>http://www.eyetubes.com/fearnola01.htm 

   Just as I feared: not very fear-inspiring. :)

   In all seriousness, that's one strange name.  Makes you wonder what
they were thinking.  Unless, perhaps, the family name was "Fearn".

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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