Article: 333619 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <1146140872.427772.274630@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1146143971.171892.40160@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146149933.803901.326300@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT. relay question Message-ID: <0ng5g.1640$ZL6.368@trndny04> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 04:44:44 GMT "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1146149933.803901.326300@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > from what i have read, the resistor is more durable. spike protection...many of the relays come with resistors for this purpose. the relay in this particular case did. the application is a starter relay on an indian motorcycle. Sorry, Never heard/seen of a resistor being used in any of these arc or reverse EMF supression applications. I have seen it on spark plug wires. But that is an RFI thing. Perhaps that is why Indan is failing so much. No Caps across the contacts. But there are a ot of thinkgs that I have not seen yet. > there is a failure problem in the > field. points are burning and sticking. Arc supression caps across the contacts (like the condencer on the points of an old distributer). I have seen 0.1 to 0.01 to 0.001 uf at 200-600v ceramic or better used in these applications. Just be careful your capacitor does not make an oscilator out of the circuit that you are connecting it to. If you are switching a starter solinoid/bendix and/or motor then you probably have significant reverse EMF comming back off of you starter too. That EMF is likely showing up on your relay contacts. You should be safe with a 0.1 uf 600 volt beefy ceramics. OR a big diode connected to the starter motor wires just like the relay coil as refered to below. >but everything i read seems to > indicate a diode would be better in this application. Diodes are used to suppress the reverse EMF when the magnetic field of the coil collapses. It should be connected in parallel to the coil in a polarity that it does NOT conduct when the relay is energized. A good old 1N4004 or 1N4007 should do it. I have not calculated the reversed EMF and current for a 12 volt relay of a given resistance for many years. There are may 12 volt relays used in industry for motor start/run applications. Lots of them have Bifurcated (sp?) contacts. Not exactly sure what that all entails other than a plating of a durable contact material. Sounds like with a step up in relay quality and some suppressor caps you should be "in like Flint". Paul. Article: 333620 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 04:51:06 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > > gotta fight ya on that line voltage issue, John. I dont think its that > important, usually. Most homes today still run under 120V, at least around > here. Its pretty rare they run above that... but, I know it DOES happen... > probably only 5% of homes have that. > > I have never , ever seen a set I could say that a "too high" AC line was the > cause of the failure. Sure, it could contribute... but there is always the > MAIN reason, bad capacitors, shorted tube, whatever. Have you ever done any testing to see if a radio's power transformer is saturating, or is this just another "Rule of thumb" that it can't happen? The line voltage was closer to 100 volts when these radios were built. My line voltage is 125 to 127 most of the time. That could be up to a 25 % increase over what the radio was intended to operate at. Higher line voltage will increase the current loading, also increasing the heat generated by a power transformer. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 333621 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT - Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 04:55:42 GMT "jim menning" wrote in message news:ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Bill Turner" wrote in message > news:444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net... >> >> >> Wise up, guys. Unbuilt Heathkits are collector's items, far more >> valuable than a built one. >> >> Bill, W6WRT >> > > Yep. Just keep watching this one: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624140065 > > My guess at the final bid: $707.63 > > jim menning > > > Darn, I was a little short. Winning bid: $787.77. But I'm still not surprised by that. jim menning Article: 333622 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:19:59 -0700 Message-ID: <8h6b52ppstdieoucv5hc38vhnv33113v44@4ax.com> References: On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:42:13 -0400, "gkb" wrote: >The paper I have says B&A Railroad on it. B&A Is Bangor and Arostock. That would be "Bangor & Aroostook", pronounced "Bangah and ArOOOOOstuck....ayuh!" However, B&A could also have been the Boston & Albany. Article: 333623 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Ronette Cartridge pin connections Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:22:20 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146368145.598451.67720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:35:45 -0700, Gerry wrote: > Hi - I have some Ronette barrel-style flip-over stereo cartridges, such > as a new T-1, an older 208, 105, etc. Problem is, the pins are not > properly marked as to their connections. One has no markings > whatsoever, two others have numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 - instead of R, L, RG, > LG, or color coding. What number corresponds to which connection??? > In my case, I have Red, White, Green, and Black wires on a VM > turntable. > > I know this information is out there somewhere, as I recall reading the > subject once before. I remember that it even mentioned that the output > of the cartridge is marked on the shoulder of the metal band. Another > dilemma is which side is for the Lp needle and which for the 78? > Again, no markings to designate which is which. I have noticed in some > photos that it would appear that the Lp side has the clear pickup piece > that the needle rests in, and the 78 would be on the side with the > black rubber (?) pickup piece. Is that correct? I've been Googling > for hours, and can't find any technical info on Ronette cartridges at > all... > > Thanks, Gerry > Baltimore, MD > If you have access to a microscope it is easy to tell the styli apart: the tip of the 78 stylus is much larger (3X - 4X) than the LP stylus. It doesn't take much of a microscope to see it; a cheap handheld unit will work if your hand is steady enough. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333624 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:22:48 -0700 Message-ID: <8k6b52tvog1eh108iree3opsirja0ehttj@4ax.com> References: <10936-445508F1-48@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:43:59 -0400, "gkb" wrote: >I didn't think the TTY was telegraph. TTY WAS telegraph. In the final days of telegraph service by AT&T in the mid '90s, it was all TTY technology, but it was indeed "telegraph service," right down to the "one wire" local subscriber line. The last users of telegraph service, oddly enough, were the stock marketeers and banks, who'd do anything to shave a buck. Long haul, telegraph was carried on "carrier telegraph" channel units, which would, if memory serves me correctly carry 6 telegraph channels in one C-band voice channel. Article: 333625 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:24:52 -0700 Message-ID: <9r6b52lf0gpf4sv3ereuafa1k47fjdphbj@4ax.com> References: <56e5g.1247$g01.930@trnddc01> <7226-44558745-248@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:57:57 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: >Go to a Western Union place at a H.E.B.food store in San Antonio,Texas >and place a Westren Union thingy. New Valley Corp., who wound up with what was left of WUT when the money order and telegraph parts were separated, ceased telegram service some months back. You now cannot send a telegram in the US. Article: 333626 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: ID this Console? Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:31:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146402882.486982.317000@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:14:42 -0700, Dave wrote: > Can anyone ID the console in the background of this photo? > http://tinyurl.com/72byh I have the chassis out of a Magnavox that looks something like that but the date doesn't match. One interesting thing about it though, the function switch shows "FM" but it's an AM only radio. "FM" was achieved by an adapter that you had to buy separately. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333627 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 01:05:39 -0500 Message-ID: <5950-4455A533-328@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <9r6b52lf0gpf4sv3ereuafa1k47fjdphbj@4ax.com> I was in San Antonio,Texas in 1993.I had just went back from Mexico to Texas. www.hometownfreepress.com TEXAS. Western Union SUCKS!!!!! BIG TIME!!!!!!!! (Excuse me Trollsville,Mississippi Coon Ass Language) cuhulin Article: 333628 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: One handsome Zenith.... Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:29:51 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1146227507.895679.173800@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "John Powers" wrote in message news:mOh5g.5656$An2.3488@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > I'm not a Zentih collector, but I am curious about the "Wave Magnet" box > next to the speaker. I'm assuming that it's the antenna... what is it > composed of, does it work well? > > JP It's a loop antenna. Those large loops worked quite well. Article: 333629 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: paulSPAM@paulsherwin.co.uk (Paul Sherwin) Subject: Re: FA: Euro radio of some kind (not mine) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:25:20 GMT Message-ID: <4455e0bc.3893138@news.demon.co.uk> References: <5LmdnRzNneAjqMnZRVn-rQ@comcast.com> <1146370122.881706.44810@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146449170.130927.132540@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 30 Apr 2006 19:06:10 -0700, "Terry S" wrote: >European, all right. I don't recognize it either. Wish there was a good >shot of that plate on the backside. It's early 30s, at a guess German (possibly Weimar, pre Nazis). The dial shows the BBC National LW service at Daventry - this moved to Droitwich in October 1934. Best regards, Paul -- Paul Sherwin Consulting http://paulsherwin.co.uk From adouglasatgis.net Wed May 3 22:58:28 EDT 2006 Article: 333630 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 06:40:02 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-274.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:333630 Hi, > The line voltage was closer to 100 volts when these radios were >built. 120V was not uncommon even in the 1920s, and a few places had 125V. Radios were designed to take anything. Alan -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Article: 333631 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: check this speaker mounting!!! References: <1146450935.555205.252400@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 07:28:44 -0400 That speaker looks a lot like an oval auto spk, you can see where it has been spliced in the rear view. Ken feldtm@msn.com wrote: > No, I think that dial is original. I've seen a lot of radios over the > years that used that particular style of dial. It's a generic white > dial with black scales and it usually has a compass design in the > center to emphasize worldwide reception, just like the dial that's on > that radio in this auction. A lot of catalog brand radios used a > similar black and white dial during 1935 and 1936. Most airplane radio > dials, on American radios, were either orange, tan, or black but a > scant few were, indeed, white. White dials were usually reserved for > farm battery radios where battery conservation was a high priority and > it would have been wasteful of the batteries to illuminate the dial. > As far as that speaker set up is concerned, that too looks > original. Just another, low tech, sales gimmick. I doubt it did > anything to improve the sound quality; in fact, it probably made it a > little worse. I'd have to hear one of those models, in person, to find > out for sure. > That cabinet was defiantly shlopped over with a thick application > of varnish. Who ever did it must have used a paint roller. I can't be > sure but I think I see some flies that are still stuck to it. > > Michael Feldt > www.indianaradios.com > Article: 333632 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146454213.966366.36980@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146479593.051043.148710@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Still need help with schematic for this Brunswick radio Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:56:20 GMT "Dave" wrote in message news:1146479593.051043.148710@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > Have done a Google Image Search for 'Schematic for Brunswick Model 1050 > Radio' unsuccesfully I'd like to help more, but I don't really have > that type of information readily available as I don't live in the US. > Sorry I could'nt be of any more help. Thought there might have been at > least an online store where you can buy these things. There has to be, > surely? > Damn, we were all counting on you. You were our only hope. Now Brenda Ann might as well trash the set. jim menning Article: 333633 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: Sure is amazing what folks say in ebay listings... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:20:49 -0400 "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:DqednQmSzNf8bsjZRVn-tA@comcast.com... > Yup. The AM band was abandoned decades ago. Well, he said, "I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THESE WAVES ARE no longer BROADCAST ON ANYMORE SO THE UNIT IS ONLY PICKING UP STATIC.", so who knows? Don't use no double negatives, as my teacher used to say... Article: 333634 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" Subject: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:36:27 -0500 All prices add Media Mail Shipping from 55992. Audel's Radioman's Guide (1944) 880pg $15: http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book2.jpg Coyne Applied Practical Radio Books, Vol 1-5 $10: http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book3.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book4.jpg Audel's New Electric Library, Vol 1-11 (1942) complete $40: http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book5.jpg Note: The following Riders can be purchased as a set for $20 Rider's on Volume control (1936) $5: Rider's on D-C Voltage distribution in Radio Receivers (1936) $5 Rider's on Resonance & Alignment (1936) $5: Rider's on AC currents in Radio Receivers (1936) $5: Rider's Frequency Modulation (1940) $5 Radio Mfgs of the 20s, Douglas: Vol #1 $20 hardback w/jacket http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/201.jpg Vol #2 $40 hardback w/jacket http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/202.jpg Vol #3 $20 softback http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/203.jpg Radio Servicing, Theory and Practice Abraham Marcus (1948) 750pg $10 Radio Physics Course, Ghirardi (1933) 972pg Pline has rip. $10 Electrical Essentials of Radio, Slurzberg Osterheld (1944) 529pg $10 Reply to: brianehill@HATcharter.net Remove the HAT before replying! Regards B.H. Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 333635 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:39:10 -0500 PS Guys I prefer Pay Pal if you can swing it. I have a very hard time getting to the bank sometimes. But I will take your chks and MOs if its not possible. Thanks BH Article: 333636 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" Subject: FS Chinese type 139 set Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:31:03 -0500 NOS never been fired up. I removed it from it's factory packing. It's essentially brand new. Made around 1970. I believe these were also used by the Vietcong during the war. It includes two sets of headphones and the radio has two jacks also. it has a complete extra set of new tubes and fuses etc... All its carrying straps and accessories bag are in new condition. All leather is new and pliable. Very nice unit. $200 http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio1.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio2.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio3.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio4.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio5.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio6.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio7.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio8.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio9.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio10.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio11.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio12.jpg Add Shipping from 55992 for 25lbs. Reply to: brianehill@HATcharter.net Remove the HAT before replying! Regards B.H. Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 333637 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Chris F." References: Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:44:57 GMT I posted a picture to alt.binaries.pictures.radio, check it out and you'll see what I'm talking about.... "Chris F." wrote in message news:g245g.844$A26.23970@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > A friend recently gave me a huge roll (about 5lbs) of old blank Telegraph > paper. It was by Canadian Pacific and measured about 8 1/2" wide. He was > cleaning out an estate, and said there was a whole case of this unused > paper that was going to the trash. Is it worth saving? I couldn't find > anything like it on Ebay by which to judge its value. If it's of value, I > need to know very soon so he can pick it up before it's gone. > > -- > To reply via Email, remove NOSPAM from the address > Article: 333638 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu> From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: FS Books References: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 08:24:04 -0700 Brian - I will take the three Douglas books. See private email for arrangements. Bill Jeffrey ___________________________ Brian Hill wrote: > All prices add Media Mail Shipping from 55992. > > Audel's Radioman's Guide (1944) 880pg $15: > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book2.jpg > > Coyne Applied Practical Radio Books, Vol 1-5 $10: > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book3.jpg > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book4.jpg > > Audel's New Electric Library, Vol 1-11 (1942) complete $40: > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book5.jpg > > > Note: The following Riders can be purchased as a set for $20 > Rider's on Volume control (1936) $5: > Rider's on D-C Voltage distribution in Radio Receivers (1936) $5 > Rider's on Resonance & Alignment (1936) $5: > Rider's on AC currents in Radio Receivers (1936) $5: > Rider's Frequency Modulation (1940) $5 > > Radio Mfgs of the 20s, Douglas: > Vol #1 $20 hardback w/jacket > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/201.jpg > Vol #2 $40 hardback w/jacket > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/202.jpg > Vol #3 $20 softback > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/203.jpg > > > Radio Servicing, Theory and Practice Abraham Marcus (1948) 750pg $10 > > Radio Physics Course, Ghirardi (1933) 972pg Pline has rip. $10 > > Electrical Essentials of Radio, Slurzberg Osterheld (1944) 529pg $10 > > Reply to: brianehill@HATcharter.net > Remove the HAT before replying! > > Regards > B.H. > > Brian's Radio Universe > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm > > Article: 333639 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Still need help with schematic for this Brunswick radio Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:19:31 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-44562703-438@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146489182.513682.188750@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> I will check with old man Thomas Burnside,here in Trollsville.(he isn't a troll though,in fact,he and his wife doesn't have internet access,they would probally beat you up if you bring a computer to their house) He has a lot of old radio papers and old radios and stuff like that,old clocks and different things.He lives exactly one mile West of me.He usually has something advertised for sale in Antique Radio Classified,he gets those snail mail thingys.Did y'all know High Frequency Radio was invented in this state? Kind of supprises ya,eh? cuhulin Article: 333640 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Ping Yerke Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:05:34 -0700 Message-ID: 3 days and counting. Personal checks are OK with address/phone #. Article: 333641 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: <44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:08:58 -0500 "Bill Jeffrey" wrote in message news:44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu... > Brian - > > I will take the three Douglas books. See private email for arrangements. > > Bill Jeffrey Hi Bill. How are ya? Ok there yours. Thanks Your email bounced when I tried to write you. Brian Article: 333642 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: <44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: <6qq5g.24$n67.3@fe06.lga> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:10:14 -0500 BTW my email is: brianehill@HATcharter.net Remove the HAT before replying! Article: 333643 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:26:03 -0700 Message-ID: <2hcc52lpiiucuapuc8d4scrmi3r7rnoeb1@4ax.com> References: <10936-445508F1-48@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> <8k6b52tvog1eh108iree3opsirja0ehttj@4ax.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 15:44:46 GMT, "Jeremy" wrote: >AT&T did not offer Telegraph Service. There was a consent decree from >decades back that gave AT&T the right to carry voice and Western Union to >operate the telegraph network. The HELL they didn't. The last telegraph board I worked at for AT&T was in 1992. You have bad information. AT&T inherited all those telegraph hubs via "normalization" of toll facilities and test boards by gobbling up all the toll functions of the associated companies (knowns as the LECs after Divestiture) during the "normalization" period of 1976-1984. The goal there was to get as much of the toll part of the business into AT&T Long Lines control before the "Divestiture" decree came down from Judge Green. The WUT consent decree you're talking about WAY predated that, and had to do with "telegram" service, not "telegraph" service, per se. AT&T's telegraph service to customer prem-to-customer prem. Prior to abandoning telegraph service, there was a telegraph hub and test board in every major AT&T toll center in the US. Now this is not "telegram" service, which is what I think you're confused about. AT&T was prohibited from offering "telegram" service until Divestiture was completed in 1984. After that, they were freed from that (and many other restrictions) and that's how they eventually wound up with WUT's Easylink service, which they received from the remnants of WUT circa 1990. I have an AT&T Easylink clock sitting right here on my desk, a gift from a district manager for me establishing international telex service via AT&T Easylink for all of AT&T's C-band international earth stations. By the time AT&T acquired Easylink, there WAS no "telegram" service to speak of, and "telegrams" were simply "mailgrams." However, telex service was still a big part of their business. AT&T's bungling and mismanagement killed off their Easylink subsidiary but a few years after they acquired it from WUT. Back when I hired in with Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, people distined for work in the toll sector of the business were generally sent to telegraph first to "learn the ropes" of toll service. From there, they'd go to perhaps private line testboard, or perhaps to facilities jobs, like carrier, cable and radio. When AT&T discontinued telegraph service around 1993, it was still tarriffed at $19/mo. They claimed they were losing money on every telegarph leg operating, but what they neglected to say was that all the toll equipment in the hubs and board had existed since the '30s, some of it, the latest installations being in the very early '60s. The cost they were bitching about was the monthly lease fee for the one wire subscriber leg, paid either to the LEC or independent company, like GTE, United or Continental. Also, in AT&T's beancounters' minds, all that terminal equipment at the toll offices had been fully amortized for at least 20 years, and wasn't provding a nice depreciation cushion on the bottom line. So, out it went, to the hew and cry of many subscribers who liked the 100 baud/75 mA cheapie service. Article: 333644 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <9732-44563638-29@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: MCI,,,, Worldcom flubbed the dub too.I live about five miles East of that building over there in Clinton,Mississippi.(no kin to bill klintoon.Clinton was named after an ex governor of New York,or something like that) y'all wont find any commies five miles West of me in Clinton,Mississippi.There might be some trolls over there though.I am going over there tomorrow to a discount tobacco store for a few six ounce cardboard cans of cigarette tobacco.There sure are some cute gals that work over there too. cuhulin Article: 333645 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT - Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:33:22 -0500 Message-ID: <9734-44563852-1@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: I own a Heathkit Signal Tracer.Does that count for anything? I dont know if it works.I bought it for a dollar or two at a Goodwill store a bunch of years ago. cuhulin Article: 333646 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT - Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-445639AF-462@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: They are all ''fascinating finds'',,, are they noo? Go to the discount bread store for day old bread.That ebay thingy is Too Much Money For The Amount Of Bread. cuhulin Article: 333647 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Speaking of shipping Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:41:54 -0500 Message-ID: <9731-44563A52-101@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Guten Tag,,, At least I dont use Earthlink. cuhulin Article: 333648 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Mess-ages Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-44563B58-464@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Uh Huh,,,, and Friends Dont Let Friends Use aol. www.google.com aol Utah (Gun grabbers) cuhulin Article: 333649 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:56:08 -0700 Message-ID: <6amc529b1odch3efu68gbomg1meqnemufq@4ax.com> References: <9732-44563638-29@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> On Mon, 1 May 2006 11:24:24 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: >MCI,,,, Worldcom flubbed the dub too.I live about five miles East of >that building over there in Clinton,Mississippi.(no kin to bill >klintoon.Clinton was named after an ex governor of New York,or something >like that) y'all wont find any commies five miles West of me in >Clinton,Mississippi. No, just some disgusting corporate criminals who need to be shot, that's all. I remember when McGowan's "Microwave Communications of Iowa" (that's why MCI stood for) started leasing trunk groups from AT&T Long Lines and the associated companies, and then resold them just a little bit cheaper than what the Bell System was offering for voice service. Service was LOUSY, due to their harebrained switched and local routing setup. Every week it seemed, McGowan was suing us for something. 9 out of 10 MCI suits against AT&T were dismissed. MCI always was, until the end, a cheesy, flim-flamish fraud. Article: 333650 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: check this speaker mounting!!! Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:57:59 -0400 Message-ID: <125cmi7n45iv68e@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146450935.555205.252400@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Mark Oppat wrote: > its not oval... there werent any around that time.. you are just viewing it > at an angle. Oval speakers, to my knowledge, did not appear until postwar > in the USA. One of the earliest I know of is the 4X6 speaker in some > postwar Philco table radios. > > Mark Oppat RCA came out with an oval "Ellipticon" speaker for the 28T/X models. Even though this was a '42 model I think there were some made after the war. Great radio, btw. -Bill Article: 333651 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:59:36 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Mon, 01 May 2006 16:42:18 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) wrote: >Don`t worry i am planning to send you the $25 check on my 90th birthday,30 >some years and counting.Rick Try 87 days from now...or are you planning to welsh already? Article: 333652 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:02:51 -0400 Message-ID: <125cmr0idpiml10@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <1146397864.304373.289380@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1259crbet7s8t6c@corp.supernews.com> John Byrns wrote: > OK, that is a possible hypothesis, but do we have any evidence to suggest > that Bill's "hefty" transformer has significantly lower "magnetic > coupling" than does his less "hefty" example? Bill? Sorry John, I don't have any answers. I was just relating my experiences. -Bill Article: 333653 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu> <6qq5g.24$n67.3@fe06.lga> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: <81t5g.36525$hR6.137822@weber.videotron.net> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:07:10 -0400 "Brian Hill" wrote in message news:6qq5g.24$n67.3@fe06.lga... > BTW my email is: > brianehill@HATcharter.net > Remove the HAT before replying! > Thank God your addy isn't brianehill@PANTScharter.net... I'd feel somewhat uncomfortable... Syl Article: 333654 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: <44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu> <6qq5g.24$n67.3@fe06.lga> <81t5g.36525$hR6.137822@weber.videotron.net> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:23:07 -0500 "Syl" wrote in message news:81t5g.36525$hR6.137822@weber.videotron.net... > "Brian Hill" wrote in message > news:6qq5g.24$n67.3@fe06.lga... >> BTW my email is: >> brianehill@HATcharter.net >> Remove the HAT before replying! >> > > > Thank God your addy isn't brianehill@PANTScharter.net... > I'd feel somewhat uncomfortable... > > Syl > lol! Imagine how Id feel? ; ) BH Article: 333655 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: <1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: <3jt5g.49$n67.45@fe06.lga> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:28:06 -0500 "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > you realize that the Alan Douglas books (volume 3 in particular..i > think) are bringing more than a philco 38-116 on ebay don't you? > Yea but I thought it was Vol 2. If they don't sell soon? that's where there going. All I'm getting around here is tire kickers. : ) BH Article: 333656 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jeremy" References: <9732-44563638-29@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <6amc529b1odch3efu68gbomg1meqnemufq@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:44:06 GMT "DeserTBoB" wrote in message news:6amc529b1odch3efu68gbomg1meqnemufq@4ax.com... > On Mon, 1 May 2006 11:24:24 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > >>MCI,,,, Worldcom flubbed the dub too.I live about five miles East of >>that building over there in Clinton,Mississippi.(no kin to bill >>klintoon.Clinton was named after an ex governor of New York,or something >>like that) y'all wont find any commies five miles West of me in >>Clinton,Mississippi. > > No, just some disgusting corporate criminals who need to be shot, > that's all. > > I remember when McGowan's "Microwave Communications of Iowa" (that's > why MCI stood for) started leasing trunk groups from AT&T Long Lines > and the associated companies, and then resold them just a little bit > cheaper than what the Bell System was offering for voice service. > Service was LOUSY, due to their harebrained switched and local routing > setup. Every week it seemed, McGowan was suing us for something. 9 > out of 10 MCI suits against AT&T were dismissed. > > MCI always was, until the end, a cheesy, flim-flamish fraud. MCI started, as I recall, with a single microwave link, connecting St. Louis to Chicago. The idea was for customers to bypass AT&T Long Lines and make a "local call," and Bell went ballistic over that. MCI won a court battle in which Bell was ordered to give them access to their local lines, essentially making MCI the first alternate long distance company. It was the beginning of the end of the Bell System. I worked for a company that used them in the late 70s, and I could always tell when I was on an MCI circuit because there was a faint hiss in the background, coupled with overall lower volume and a constricted frequency response. Bell always had the better connection quality--until U.S. Sprint came along and changed the entire equation by using fiber optics on their entire network. Article: 333657 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jeremy" References: <10936-445508F1-48@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> <8k6b52tvog1eh108iree3opsirja0ehttj@4ax.com> <2hcc52lpiiucuapuc8d4scrmi3r7rnoeb1@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:47:36 GMT "DeserTBoB" wrote in message news:2hcc52lpiiucuapuc8d4scrmi3r7rnoeb1@4ax.com... > On Mon, 01 May 2006 15:44:46 GMT, "Jeremy" wrote: > > >>AT&T did not offer Telegraph Service. There was a consent decree from >>decades back that gave AT&T the right to carry voice and Western Union to >>operate the telegraph network. > > The HELL they didn't. The last telegraph board I worked at for AT&T > was in 1992. You have bad information. AT&T inherited all those > telegraph hubs via "normalization" of toll facilities and test boards > by gobbling up all the toll functions of the associated companies > (knowns as the LECs after Divestiture) during the "normalization" > period of 1976-1984. The goal there was to get as much of the toll > part of the business into AT&T Long Lines control before the > "Divestiture" decree came down from Judge Green. The WUT consent > decree you're talking about WAY predated that, and had to do with > "telegram" service, not "telegraph" service, per se. > > AT&T's telegraph service to customer prem-to-customer prem. Prior to > abandoning telegraph service, there was a telegraph hub and test board > in every major AT&T toll center in the US. Now this is not "telegram" > service, which is what I think you're confused about. AT&T was > prohibited from offering "telegram" service until Divestiture was > completed in 1984. After that, they were freed from that (and many > other restrictions) and that's how they eventually wound up with WUT's > Easylink service, which they received from the remnants of WUT circa > 1990. I have an AT&T Easylink clock sitting right here on my desk, a > gift from a district manager for me establishing international telex > service via AT&T Easylink for all of AT&T's C-band international earth > stations. By the time AT&T acquired Easylink, there WAS no > "telegram" service to speak of, and "telegrams" were simply > "mailgrams." However, telex service was still a big part of their > business. AT&T's bungling and mismanagement killed off their Easylink > subsidiary but a few years after they acquired it from WUT. > > Back when I hired in with Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, people > distined for work in the toll sector of the business were generally > sent to telegraph first to "learn the ropes" of toll service. From > there, they'd go to perhaps private line testboard, or perhaps to > facilities jobs, like carrier, cable and radio. When AT&T > discontinued telegraph service around 1993, it was still tarriffed at > $19/mo. They claimed they were losing money on every telegarph leg > operating, but what they neglected to say was that all the toll > equipment in the hubs and board had existed since the '30s, some of > it, the latest installations being in the very early '60s. The cost > they were bitching about was the monthly lease fee for the one wire > subscriber leg, paid either to the LEC or independent company, like > GTE, United or Continental. Also, in AT&T's beancounters' minds, all > that terminal equipment at the toll offices had been fully amortized > for at least 20 years, and wasn't provding a nice depreciation cushion > on the bottom line. So, out it went, to the hew and cry of many > subscribers who liked the 100 baud/75 mA cheapie service. Are you referring to what was once called "ATTMAIL?" When I worked for the federal government in 1968-69, we had TWX service (at least they called it that--I don't know whether WU or Bell was providing the service). What do you mean by "telegraph service?" Was it able to connect to the Telex network? If I subscribed to that service, could I communicate with customers of RCA, ITT and WU, or would I have been restricted to just AT&T subscribers? I know that AT&T and Sprint has equivalents of MCI Mail at one time, but what sort of "telegraph" service were they offering prior to 1990? Article: 333658 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Still need help with schematic for this Brunswick radio Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 05:14:05 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1146454213.966366.36980@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146479593.051043.148710@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146489182.513682.188750@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> "Terry S" wrote in message news:1146489182.513682.188750@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > Better idea. Brenda, you send me the radio. I'll draw up a schematic > and send it to you. I keep the radio. > > Terry. Good one Terry.. :) In all seriousness, though... I could draw up a schematic myself. The problem is the radio has been hacked/cannibalized, and I need the original schematic to rebuild the circuit properly. Article: 333659 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <124tfrrpn5uss08@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: ATTENTION OHIO CONSOLE RESCUE PERSONNEL Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:54:16 -0500 Message-ID: <4456840c$0$26450$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Tom Adkins" wrote in message news:XIOdnQr_BMTfDcvZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > SOLD! To the bald guy in the glasses for $20.50!! Now I know what my > summer project > will be. :) Wow, you sure got a good deal on that one. Have fun with it. Ought to be a hell of a radio when it's done. Adding to the fun: 1936 RCAs have wiring whose insulation breaks down. Happy rewiring...... :-) paul *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** Article: 333660 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: Question for a German Radio Expert? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:22:42 +0200 Message-ID: References: John Byrns wrote: > > An auction for a Grundig 1041W Radio closed on eBay yesterday. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6623418926 > > This is an AM/FM radio with the following tube lineup: > > EC92 > EF89 > EF89 > EABC80 > EL41 > EM85 > > The functions of the tubes in the FM mode are presumably the obvious ones, > with the EC92 serving as an autodyne converter, the two EF89s serving as > IF amplifiers, the EABC80 serving as the FM detector and first audio > stage, the EL41 serving as the audio power stage, and the EM85 serving as > a tuning indicator. I hate to contemplate the local oscillator radiation > from the autodyne converter without an RF stage, it probably doesn't meet > the FCC radiation regulations. Is my assumption about the operation of > this set in the FM mode correct? > > My question is, how are these tubes used in the AM mode? Other similar > German radios use an ECC85 as the FM front end tube, with the additional > triode serving as an RF amplifier stage, and use an ECH81 triode heptode > tube instead of the first EF89, with the heptode section serving as the > first IF amplifier in the FM mode with the triode section left unused, > while in the AM mode the triode section serves as the AM local oscillator > and the heptode section serves as the mixer, with the ECC85 left unused. > > In the Grundig 1041W does the EC92 also serve as a self oscillating > converter in the AM mode? If the EC92 is used as the converter in the AM > mode, are both EF89s used in a two stage AM IF amplifier, or is one EF89 > left unused in the AM mode? Or is the EC92 left unused in the AM mode, > with the first EF89 used as a self oscillating converter? > > Any insight as to how this radio operates in the AM mode would be greatly > appreciated. > http://www.radiomuseum.org has seven documents about this radio, but I assume you have at least the circit diagram ;-) Kind Regards, Georg Article: 333661 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 00:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "frenchy" writes: >I walked by an antique store and they had a really cute little >cabinet-type acoustic phonograph, the ones with legs and a lid, but >this one was circular, not the typical square or rectangular. Not sure >if was a Victrola or not. Had little flower design painted around the >circumference. Anybody know what brand this might be? They were >closed today so could only see thru the window partially and couldn't >see what reproducer was on it, and I can't get back in there till >Friday. If it might be a Victrola I could take off lunch before that >and check it out. Thanks! One of these, by any chance? http://tinyurl.com/khdl3 Note that this has come up several times without selling at that price. Methinks that's way high. Bruce? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333662 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:32:17 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146526684.717822.6380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> frenchy wrote: > It looked too old and fancy to me to be what I think of by the term > 'crapophone' but as long as I know it's not a Victrola, I can wait a > week to check it out, thanks. I guess it could be one that was made in > England possibly, I have one of those, or another brand. Is there a > general date range that includes the typical definition of crapophone? > Again this is a floor model with the long legs, not a tabletop job... Even the Indian and the Chinese people are using shotguns to imitate wood worm holes ;-) Believe what Bruce told you ... there are the adventuresome models on ebay. Place a foto on a.b.p.r, but I don't think that somebody paitend flowers on a real Ultraphon. Kind Regards, Georg Article: 333663 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: temp codes Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 00:35:54 GMT Today, while placing an order with Mouser, I tried to get a replacement cap for that 59 T-Bird radio. It is a 22pF, 10% N150. The tech at Mouser had no problem locating several 5% caps, but had no idea what N150 means. The new caps have ratings of COG, X7R among others, and a few are marked NPO, but had no idea what I was talking about with n150. After considerable time, he finally determined that "NPO is better than N150." So I suppose I'll settle for an NPO. It is, after all, an AM radio, and the problem now is that the sensitivity above 1500 drops way off -- and this cap is out of spec. So I figure the half a pF between what an N150 and an NPO might measure at a given temperature would still have to be a major improvement over the original. Still, does anybody have some insight as to the newer terms, such as X7R? Is there a letter acronym out there that might be similar to N150? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 333664 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:38:37 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Tim Mullen wrote: > One of these, by any chance? > > http://tinyurl.com/khdl3 > > Note that this has come up several times without selling at that > price. Methinks that's way high. Bruce? TYRELL is well known here, Don't know about a company EDWARDIAN, but for this price the seller should have been able to clean the flour ;-) (Sorry Bruce, could not resist) Georg Article: 333665 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:52:29 -0600 Message-ID: <18486-4456AD4D-161@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: Those have to be ``round longer`` to become antiques ... Article: 333666 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <1146395765.140952.86280@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <445535bc$0$76686$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <1146451204.617385.225890@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: AWA B-67 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:06:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4456b077$0$6154$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Okay, the one I have uses the odd battery. Must've been a changeover at some point. "Dave" wrote in message news:1146451204.617385.225890@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > It uses a regular 9 Volt battery > Article: 333667 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: temp codes Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:12:13 -0400 Message-ID: <125dcfjgg2ncr1b@corp.supernews.com> References: Gary Tayman wrote: > > Still, does anybody have some insight as to the newer terms, such as X7R? > Is there a letter acronym out there that might be similar to N150? > > For example, these are the most common 'cheap'ceramic discs: (from the Mouser catalog) X7R is +/- 15% from -55C to +125C C0G is +/- 30ppm per degree C over the same range Z5U is -56%, + 22% from +10 to +85C Note that these are all +/- TOLERANCES and not predictable temperature compensations like an N150. -Bill Article: 333668 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 01:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> writes: >Tim Mullen wrote: >> One of these, by any chance? >> >> http://tinyurl.com/khdl3 >> >> Note that this has come up several times without selling at that >> price. Methinks that's way high. Bruce? >TYRELL is well known here, >Don't know about a company EDWARDIAN, Not a company; a British Monarch, and hence a loose stylistic period. (I wonder what "Ethelred the Unready" style looks like?) >but for this price the seller should have been able to clean the flour >;-) What?!! And ruin that Edwardian "patina"? :) >(Sorry Bruce, could not resist) >Georg May we call you Bruce? (With apologies to Monty Python) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333669 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <125dd2c95ijff01@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> However I have seen hundreds of Crapophones, but never a floor model. I couldn't imagine anyone bothering- most real floor models just aren't worth that much. John H. Article: 333670 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 03:29:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Tim Mullen wrote: > > >Tim Mullen wrote: > > >> One of these, by any chance? > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/khdl3 > >> > >> Note that this has come up several times without selling at that > >> price. Methinks that's way high. Bruce? > > >TYRELL is well known here, > >Don't know about a company EDWARDIAN, > > Not a company; a British Monarch, and hence a loose stylistic > period. (I wonder what "Ethelred the Unready" style looks like?) The 7th wife of Henry the 8th? > >but for this price the seller should have been able to clean the flour > >;-) > > What?!! And ruin that Edwardian "patina"? :) > > >(Sorry Bruce, could not resist) > > >Georg > > May we call you Bruce? Nope. Call me Brute Force, if you want ;-) > (With apologies to Monty Python) Accepted ;-) Georg Article: 333671 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 01:42:56 GMT In article <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net says... > > >"Rule of thumb" >Michael A. Terrell For me a definite "Non-Engineer" its a rule of John... developed after restoring something in excess of 1,000 radios. Since I began adding methods to drop the incoming line voltage on probably 75 percent of the radios that go out the door.. and no longer letting 6x5 rectifier tubes out the door we haven't lost a power transformer or had any other major warranty problems... many of the radios we rebuild are being played 50 to 60 hours per week. Prior to these changes I had some problems and had to replace a few transformers. This 12s265 Zenith setting on my bench is running too hot to suit me. Firm Grab on the transformer is slightly uncomfortable after 2 hours of operation. Sorry not sure how hot that is.. The only radio chassis I have written down the differences in voltage and current were on a 9s262 chassis.. Line Voltage was nutso this day.... and yes I called and they changed it a bit... Line voltage was 130 volts radio drew 0.76 amps = 99 watts 40 ohm resistor and line to radio was then 108.7 volts at 0.56 Amps = 61 Watts so a 17% drop in linevoltage = 24% drop in current = 33% drop in watts Perhaps from the above measured information you engineer types can tell us all the engineering reasons for the decreases?... If your filaments are high and your B+ and supply is high... your tubes are going to do a bit of super operating.. and current will be higher than expected for the increase?... Or some of those watts and current were simply going up in heat from the overloaded transformer?.. I do know that the transformer temp dropped a whole lot on that one. My "Normal" is to install a 21 Ohm resistor in this 9 tube chassis which gives a drop of about 9% line voltage which is enough for your normal 125 line. John k9uwa Article: 333672 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: GE A-53 Tombstone Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 19:33:11 -0600 Message-ID: <18487-4456B6D7-45@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146512035.686717.28150@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On warped thin plastic dials i have had good luck as follows . Find a nice clean counter top . Get out the cloths iron set it on low . Get out a thick heavy book . Put the dials printed side down on the counter , place one clean sheet of paper over it . Place the hot iron on that moving it around for a very short time then remove the iron and place the book on top of the warm dial & paper for a minute while it cools . Check it and repeat as much as you dare . Article: 333673 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: A round Victrola? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146526684.717822.6380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 01:49:09 GMT In article , 520066970381-0001@T-Online.de says... > > How about that table setting affair that they call a Whorehouse Lampshade with the red light in it and the nice fringe hanging down ... not sure who made it.. found one for one of my local Phonograph buddies... he was elated... think we paid $90 for it at a local auction a few years ago.. John k9uwa Article: 333674 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ATTENTION OHIO CONSOLE RESCUE PERSONNEL From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <124tfrrpn5uss08@corp.supernews.com> <4456840c$0$26450$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 01:54:21 GMT In article , newton5@remove.comcast.net says... > > > You say that like it's a bad thing ;) That just means more satisfaction >when it's >done. (After the echoes of the swearing die down). Serious Super Deal there Tom .. wave that one under the nose of Dan Gutowski Marks Oppats RCA buddy!.. John k9uwa Article: 333675 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> writes: >Tim Mullen wrote: >>(I wonder what "Ethelred the Unready" style looks like?) >The 7th wife of Henry the 8th? C|N>K! -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333676 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146526684.717822.6380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) writes: >How about that table setting affair that they call a Whorehouse >Lampshade with the red light in it and the nice fringe hanging down >... not sure who made it.. Oddly enough, one of those also just ended unloved on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624152074 A bit frou-frou for my tastes, but if I look at it from the right angle I can think of the lid looking kinda casket-like. Hmmm... Some red light bulbs, a house of ill will tie-in and you've got some possibilities. > found one for one of my local Phonograph >buddies... he was elated... think we paid $90 for it at a local auction >a few years ago.. Good deal, from what I've seen. Obviously no one thought the above example was worth the starting price, but I know these don't go too cheap. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333677 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Speaking of shipping Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:48:14 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8l94g.11338$ZQ3.10485@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Lou deGonzague wrote: > I just sent a box via USPS that was 17x17x18 and they added an extra $5 > for the size. It didn't weigh much and the postal clerk who I know > pretty good said it was something they just started to enforce. UPS calls this "dimensional weight". It is done so that they can still ding you if you have a large lightweight item that takes up a lot of space in the truck. It looks like USPS is getting a bit more stringent on the rules lately. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 333678 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: an amusing, mostly OT e-bay anectdote, not old radio related Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:14:47 -0700 Message-ID: <9hjd52he7obvirha3s863pn651ur65gghj@4ax.com> there's been some discussion of weird e-bay gonings on - follow this link to one of my auctions and read the note at the end - it should at least amuse you folks - this was almost a fun game but I guess someone has to remember when it's time to get a life here's the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4459578687 Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** Article: 333679 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:27:37 -0500 The text of my message to spoof@paypal.com; plus text of an email I received today...very strange, but has to be a scam. jak Below is the text, including headers, of an email I received. The item listed does not exist in eBay. The amount comes up as $24.08 when the email is read, but reads $2424.08 when viewed as text. I don't understand the mechanism of this probable scam, but I have no connection with either the sender, or with an auction for an antique radio. I did not click the URL referenced in the email. 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Protect = yourself against fraudulent websites by opening a new web browser (e.g. = Internet Explorer or Netscape) and typing in the PayPal URL every time you = log in to your account. ---------------------------------------------------------------- PayPal Email ID PP301 Article: 333680 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:46:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <9732-44563638-29@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <6amc529b1odch3efu68gbomg1meqnemufq@4ax.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 19:44:06 GMT, "Jeremy" wrote: >MCI started, as I recall, with a single microwave link, connecting St. Louis >to Chicago. The idea was for customers to bypass AT&T Long Lines and make a >"local call," and Bell went ballistic over that. Probalby because it was illegal. > >MCI won a court battle in which Bell was ordered to give them access to >their local lines, essentially making MCI the first alternate long distance >company. It was the beginning of the end of the Bell System. No, they were NOT given access to local lines. They were given access to trunk lines. >I worked for a company that used them in the late 70s, and I could always >tell when I was on an MCI circuit because there was a faint hiss in the >background, coupled with overall lower volume and a constricted frequency >response. Bell always had the better connection quality--until U.S. Sprint >came along and changed the entire equation by using fiber optics on their >entire network. AT&T's first long haul fiber optics route, the replacement of the 1941 Los Angeles-El Pase "A" coaxial cable went into service in 1984, with Western Electric FT Series "G" terminal equipment and lasers. The Spring "pin drop" campaign was basically 99% hype. MCI's trunk quality was crap because they used cheap and maladjusted trunk terminating equipment. Echo return loss on MCI trunks was horrid, and they'd always try to blame it on AT&T's carrier channels. As I said, MCI was a fraud from the very beginning. NOT that AT&T handled the challenge from that fraudster McGowen very well. In the end, both went down the tubes, AT&T now owned by its own best managed of the old Bell Operating Companies, Southwestern Bell Telephone, and MCI absorbed by the combination of the Bell Atlantic companies and GT&E. Article: 333681 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:05:56 -0700 Message-ID: <4ild52p0vjrhvpequ39s3i37l2akcabdpd@4ax.com> References: <10936-445508F1-48@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> <8k6b52tvog1eh108iree3opsirja0ehttj@4ax.com> <2hcc52lpiiucuapuc8d4scrmi3r7rnoeb1@4ax.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 19:47:36 GMT, "Jeremy" wrote: >Are you referring to what was once called "ATTMAIL?" No. ATTMail was AT&T cheesy email service. It was a non-starter. However, due to stupid decisions made by then-CEO Bob Allen, the ATTMail people took over what was left of Easylink, while Easylink had a far larger customer base brought over from WUT. All Allen succeeded in doing was scaring off all the former WUT customers who wanted nothing to do with ATTMail. >When I worked for the >federal government in 1968-69, we had TWX service (at least they called it >that--I don't know whether WU or Bell was providing the service). TWX was provided by all Bell Operating Companies using the 910 area code. >What do you mean by "telegraph service?" Was it able to connect to the >Telex network? If I subscribed to that service, could I communicate with >customers of RCA, ITT and WU, or would I have been restricted to just AT&T >subscribers? "Telex" has nothing to do with real telegraph service. "Telex" was the forerunner of email, used a voice grade line and modem to access its service hubs (basically servers) and could interchange traffic with any other telex service provider. Real telegraph service was one wire, 75 mA current loop service driving TTY machines...mostly Teletype Model 43s toward the end, but anything from a Model 19 to 35 teletype machine all through the years. It used no voice channel, used a single wire and ground for the current loop. > >I know that AT&T and Sprint has equivalents of MCI Mail at one time, but >what sort of "telegraph" service were they offering prior to 1990? AT&T had telegraph service from its earliest days until around 1992. All banks and stock markets had telegraph networks for stock tickers, financial data and so on. It its earliest days, real Morse traffic would run on AT&T telegraph lines until the Teletype Division of AT&T started offering teletype machines aroun WW I. Morse traffic went away around about that time by and large, replaced by Baudot (later ASCII) teletype, but when I came in the '70s, most telegraph test board positions still had keys and sounders, and if you knew Morse, you could communicate with old-time cablemen out on the line using Morse instead of one-wire voice, which seldom worked very well. The last cable splicer I worked Morse with was around 1982, and when he retired, that was the last. All the railroads were still using TTY at this time, and many old RR telegraphers went to work at Bell companies on telegraph boards after they were furloughed by the RRs. Dow Jones was probably the biggest telegraph customer of AT&T's up through the 1980s. Every exchange and many banks had a specialized "ticker machine" at their banks that would crank out quotes using 100 baud ASCII code. Other big telegraph customers were mostly financial and banking institutions. Dun & Bradstreet and Bunker-Ramo were big customer in those days, as well. It figured...when data didn't have to move fast (the fastest voice grade data transmission via modem on a conditioned voice circuit in those days was 9600 kb/s) and 50 or 100 baud would do the job, telegraph was by far more economical than voice circuit based TWX or dial-up TTY. Since telegraph only used one wire and was unsuitable for any sort of tariffed voice service, it had to be cheap, and those big banks and the NYSE just loved it. 24 hour 100 baud data for $12/mo? Sure! Most people, even back then, were paying more for their monthly residential "POTS" service, and a private line unconditioned full period voice circuit would be in the hundreds of dollars a month. Working on a distribution frame that carried telegraph service was never a pleasant task. Open circuit, a telegraph circuit's local line to the subscriber would be at a 315 VDC potential, enough to really jolt a frameman reaching across that particular frame block to solder down a pair somewhere else. Due to inherent current limiting, although the voltage would give you a nasty jolt, it was never fatal...unless you fell off a rolling ladder as a result! The jaggedness of all those soldered lugs on the typical old frame block found in many old toll offices in those days would guarantee some cuts on the hands, if one weren't wearing his frame gloves, as required by Bell safety rules. Article: 333682 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:07:25 -0700 Message-ID: <6mmd52tthjqnm5qo86roj2euque9g6hva9@4ax.com> References: On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:19:37 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) wrote: >Well you didn`t stop when i made the offer, you waited till a few days >later.So you will have to wait for your money for a few days ( something >like 10,950 days ) .Rick Welshing already? Ask Charlie Nudo what I can do to someone who does something like that to me. 87 days. $25. Personal check with address and phone # is OK. Article: 333683 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4456E45C.A4A4C272@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Still Need Heath AJ-41 Stereo Tuner Service Info Please References: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 04:49:12 GMT enigma_y_2000@yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone help me with a copy of the schematic and alignment > instructions for the old Heathkit AJ-41 AM-FM tuner. I want > to get it back to original working specs. > > I would be happy to pay for copying costs etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Email me direct please, > > enigma_y_2000@yahoo.com Sams 939, not in my collection at this time. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 333684 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:42:57 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <1146397864.304373.289380@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146507882.668929.249700@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 11:24:42 -0700, Doug wrote: > For a mains power transformer, core saturation is dependent only on the > applied primary voltage and frequency. As the load on the > transformer's secondary is increased, there will be in fact a slight > decrease in the core flux due to the voltage drop which occurs across > the DC resistance of the primary winding. > > If the secondary is short-circuited, the applied primary voltage will > be dropped across three components as below: > > Ein = Isc (Rdc pri + Rdc sec N^2 + j 2pf Ll) > > where Rdc is the primary resistance, Rdc is the secondary resistance, N > is the turns ratio (primary/secondary) and Ll is the leakage inductance > measured from the primary side. Isc is the short-circuit current > flowing in the primary in amps. > > The voltage which generates the flux in the transformer is now reduced > to : V flux sc = Ein - Isc (Rdc pri). Its value under normal load > conditions would have been : V flux = Ein - Ipri (Rdc pri) , much more > nearly equal to Ein. > > So with this little bit of arm-waving we see that the flux in the core > is greatly reduced during short circuit conditions. There is obviously > no tendency towards saturation. It is in fact the opposite situation > > If some one insists on looking at this entirely from a current > standpoint that can be done too. In a transformer in which no energy > storage takes place*, the primary and secondary ampere turns due to the > load components of current must and will always balance. in other > words: > > N pri x I pri = Nsec x > I sec. > > or N pri x I pri - Nsec x I > sec = 0 > > This balance is what causes the primary current to increase when the > secondary current is increased, and as long as this balance is > maintained there can be no change in the core flux, since the core flux > is related to the sum of the total ampere turns by the reluctance of > the magnetic circuit which has not changed. Since this balance occurs, > there is no saturation as the load on the transformer is increased. > > If one goes to the trouble of deliberately designing a transformer with > very high leakage inductance (poor coupling)then we don't follow the > above current relationship and all bets are off. To design such a > transformer however requires a specific peculiar magnetic structure > certainly not used in radio receiver transformers. > > * An example of a transformer in which energy storage takes place is > the switched-mode flyback topology. In this case, primary and > secondary load component ampere turns add to a non-zero value and an > increase in secondary current will eventually cause core saturation. > > Best regards : Doug Bannard, P.Eng. (30 year veteran of transformer > design) A word of explanation: leakage inductance is the inductance of the primary (in this case) with the secondary shorted. It is caused by magnetic flux generated by the primary that doesn't link the secondary. Normally, transformers are designed to minimize leakage inductance since it acts like an inductor in series with the transformer and causes the secondary voltage to drop under load (in addition to the drop caused by the wire resistance). Reducing it to extremely low values is expensive, requiring measures like bifilar winding (which also raises safety concerns). As a result, the final design of the transformer is, as always, a compromise. One designer will optimize one aspect and another will optimize another. What this means is that the short circuit current in the primary will vary somewhat from one make to another. Hence it is possible to design a transformer so that a primary fuse alone is adequate to protect it and it is also possible to design one so that a single fuse won't protect it. Since cost and size are always major factors, the range of variation isn't as large as it could be. Doug mentioned transformers intentionally designed to have high leakage inductance. This is usually done by winding the primary and secondary as physically separate coils (not one on top of the other). There is a space between them with laminations SEPARATING the coils (usually with an air gap to control the coupling). This forces some of the magnetic field to circulate in the primary without coupling to the secondary. This gives the transformer an output voltage that drops sharply with load. In fact, transformers like this can be designed to be short circuit proof. A transformer like this wouldn't be found in a radio. Common examples are neon sign transformers and fluorescent lamp ballasts. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333685 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Philco PT-91 Electroltic Cap replacement Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:57:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146501647.412687.183040@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 09:40:47 -0700, jeeper28 wrote: > Hey,First post to group,new to radio's,so be gentle!I have a 1940 > Philco bakelite Am,got the cap kit from just radios,my question is that > he sent 2 replacements,the schematic shows 2,yet I have 3 leads going > to the top of the shared Electrolic cap.I understand the shared > negative on bottom,but I have 1 red,1 orange,and 1blue lead all going > in the top.Thanks for any help ya'll may share.Gary You didn't say what model you had so I can only make a general comment. Watch out that it doesn't have a common POSITIVE rather than negative. Some radios had those. A previous repairer may have wired it wrong. Check the schematic. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333686 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: temp codes Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 23:12:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <125dcfjgg2ncr1b@corp.supernews.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 21:12:13 -0400, - exray - wrote: > Gary Tayman wrote: > > >> >> Still, does anybody have some insight as to the newer terms, such as X7R? >> Is there a letter acronym out there that might be similar to N150? >> >> > For example, these are the most common 'cheap'ceramic discs: > (from the Mouser catalog) > X7R is +/- 15% from -55C to +125C > C0G is +/- 30ppm per degree C over the same range > Z5U is -56%, + 22% from +10 to +85C > > Note that these are all +/- TOLERANCES and not predictable temperature > compensations like an N150. > > -Bill COG is a variation of NPO. NPO is +/- 60 PPM / deg C. Many manufacturers are dropping NPO in favor of COG. NPO and COG are also considered temperature compensating capacitors; they are used when you don't want any capacitance change. Characteristics with a P in front have a positive temperature coefficient; the capacitance goes up as the temperature increases. Watch out for Z5U and similar types. As you can see, they aren't at all stable with temperature. They also change value significantly with voltage and frequency. Some of them are also piezoelectric so they can generate voltages in response to vibrations in their environment. I once saw one that was producing low frequency signals (<1 Hz) in response to the air conditioner! That was fun to track down. People use them because they are small and cheap. They work fine for bypass capacitors but be cautious of anything else. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333687 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" References: Subject: Re: Question for a German Radio Expert? Message-ID: <5JC5g.2617$Vn.169@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 06:10:09 GMT The tube layout is wrong! The radio has one ECH81 and one EF93. There are no EF89's in this radio. Omer P.S. It's worth joining and contributing to RMorg "John Byrns" wrote in message news:jbyrns-0105062315100001@216-80-74-126.d.enteract.com... > In article , "Georg Richter" > <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote: > >> John Byrns wrote: >> > > [Snip] > >> > In the Grundig 1041W does the EC92 also serve as a self oscillating >> > converter in the AM mode? If the EC92 is used as the converter in >> the AM >> > mode, are both EF89s used in a two stage AM IF amplifier, or is one >> EF89 >> > left unused in the AM mode? Or is the EC92 left unused in the AM >> mode, >> > with the first EF89 used as a self oscillating converter? >> > >> > Any insight as to how this radio operates in the AM mode would be >> greatly >> > appreciated. >> > >> >> http://www.radiomuseum.org has seven documents about this radio, >> but I assume you have at least the circit diagram ;-) > > Hi Georg, > > Thanks for the input about the radiomuseum, but I find that site to be > generally useless. > > If I had the schematic for the 1041W I wouldn't have even been asking this > question in the first place. However I redoubled my effort at searching > cyberspace and was able to finally locate the schematic. I see that the > FM band works just as I had speculated, but the AM bands work differently > than either of my speculations, I should have realized the third obvious > possibility. On the AM bands the EC92 is used as the local oscillator, > and the first EF89 is used as the mixer with the local oscillator signal > injected into the cathode circuit. > > > Regards, > > John Byrns > > > Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 333688 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4456F9E4.49537D37@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 06:21:08 GMT "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote: > > In article <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net > says... > > > > > >"Rule of thumb" > >Michael A. Terrell > > For me a definite "Non-Engineer" its a rule of John... developed after > restoring something in excess of 1,000 radios. Since I began adding > methods to drop the incoming line voltage on probably 75 percent of the > radios that go out the door.. and no longer letting 6x5 rectifier tubes > out the door we haven't lost a power transformer or had any other major > warranty problems... many of the radios we rebuild are being played > 50 to 60 hours per week. Prior to these changes I had some problems > and had to replace a few transformers. This 12s265 Zenith setting on my > bench is running too hot to suit me. Firm Grab on the transformer is slightly > uncomfortable after 2 hours of operation. Sorry not sure how hot that is.. > > The only radio chassis I have written down the differences in voltage and > current were on a 9s262 chassis.. > > Line Voltage was nutso this day.... and yes I called and they changed it > a bit... > Line voltage was 130 volts radio drew 0.76 amps = 99 watts > > 40 ohm resistor and line to radio was then 108.7 volts at 0.56 Amps = 61 Watts > > so a 17% drop in linevoltage = 24% drop in current = 33% drop in watts > > Perhaps from the above measured information you engineer types can tell > us all the engineering reasons for the decreases?... > If your filaments are high and your B+ and supply is high... your tubes > are going to do a bit of super operating.. and current will be higher > than expected for the increase?... Or some of those watts and current > were simply going up in heat from the overloaded transformer?.. I do > know that the transformer temp dropped a whole lot on that one. > My "Normal" is to install a 21 Ohm resistor in this 9 tube chassis which gives > a drop of about 9% line voltage which is enough for your normal 125 line. > > John k9uwa John, I'm on your side! A 9% drop in line voltage will drop the power consumption to 84.16%, all other things being equal. They aren't, but they are close enough to do quick calculations. Using a 12 VAC filament transformer in buck configuration will give the same voltage to the radio with less wasted heat, and better AC line regulation which will reduce the distortion a little at higher volume where the B+ is loaded a bit more. It is also better for AC motors on phonographs and combos. The equipment we built for the military and NASA had to be tested at 90 VAC, 115 VAC and 130 VAC to guarantee that it would work over a wide range of line voltages. This raised the transformer's cost about 30% more than if we could have had it built for a fixed 115 VAC. This was a little wider than the advertised specification, to allow for aging of the power supply components. At least one unit was powered up 24/7 for over 30 years with no problems, while the competitors equipment needed annual or biannual maintenance. A simple test set can be built to look at a transformer in use to see where it starts to saturate. All you need is a line frequency current transformer with the proper load, a variac, and a scope. The current to the radio goes from the output of the variac, through the CT, and to the radio or other item you're testing. You look at the waveform on the scope and slowly turn up the voltage as you watch for the waveform to change as it starts to saturate. The CT can be put into a box with a line cord and outlet, and a pair of binding posts or BNC connector to connect the scope so that you don't tie up a variac for this one test. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 333689 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 08:55:13 -0400 "jakdedert" wrote in message > The text of my message to spoof@paypal.com; plus text of an email I > received today...very strange, but has to be a scam. > > jak The very last line is the give away: "PayPal Email ID PP301" No such thing in real Paypal emails, all scams have it. In your original email, you may read paypal.com but it will redirect you to a fake website and collect your personal info. Usual scam... Syl Article: 333690 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <3jt5g.49$n67.45@fe06.lga> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:08:00 -0400 "Brian Hill" wrote in message news:3jt5g.49$n67.45@fe06.lga... > > "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message > news:1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> you realize that the Alan Douglas books (volume 3 in particular..i >> think) are bringing more than a philco 38-116 on ebay don't you? >> > > Yea but I thought it was Vol 2. If they don't sell soon? that's where > there going. All I'm getting around here is tire kickers. : ) > > BH Brian, I know Bill Jeffrey, no tire kicker I can assure you. Double check his email, looks like he added an anti-spam to his email. As for me, I paid more than that for a complete soft cover set and am very happy with my purchase. Vol 2 only sold twice for an incredible amount. I let a Vol 2 go for 37$ 2 weeks ago on eBay... Syl Article: 333691 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:32:48 -0400 Message-ID: <44575f77$0$3682$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Syl" wrote in message news:vGI5g.60337$hR6.370756@weber.videotron.net... > "jakdedert" wrote in message > >> The text of my message to spoof@paypal.com; plus text of an email I >> received today...very strange, but has to be a scam. >> >> jak > > The very last line is the give away: "PayPal Email ID PP301" > > No such thing in real Paypal emails, all scams have it. In your original > email, you may read > paypal.com but it will redirect you to a fake website and collect your > personal > info. Usual scam... > > Syl > Man, this is all old news. I can't believe those who are just learning of it - haven't read this before - "especially" when I've seen their names online for a while. It is best to go directly to the Pay Pal site OR E-Bay site to read "any" messages. Messges sent by them or any members via them - can be found there - in a secure manner. IF you get them in your e-mail - they "can" be of suspicious nature. You have to ask yourself - am I doing anything with E-Bay or Pay Pal for them to be writing me? Most times - the answer is NO.. The other thing to remember is - they do NOT write you to ask for your personal information OR to fill out a form to change ID. ONLY when you log into their site, if any information/action is needed, will you see a reminder. The best thing to do - is to filter out E-Bay and Pay Pal e-mails, so you don't receive them in your e-mail. IF you do enough visiting to their sites, you'll know if you have any messages which need your attention. Examples of spoof e-mail from Pay Pal - is to give info to change your account as it has been hacked. OR to update your information. As to E-Bay - requests to update your info, your account has been hacked - and a real classic - a person is interested in an item you are auctioning off - giving a number and all - making it look like a legitimate e-bay question. DUH - "are" you auctioning of "that" item? 99.9 times out of 100 - NO. Surely you should be able to catch on to THAT. It should be a dead give away. But............... some just never catch on. clfe Article: 333692 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146561873.181421.287050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146567498.254762.184860@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Model 70 versus model 90 Message-ID: <2oK5g.9617$Bh.3643@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:53:50 GMT "Dave" wrote in message news:1146567498.254762.184860@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > The only difference between the two models is the number of tubes, the > Model 90 has 9, the model 70 has 7 tubes. So the two models are almost > the same, the chassis are the same size, the cabinet is the same style, > basically the same radio, albeit the number of tubes, and the > performance, which differs with the number of tubes, the more tubes, as > you most likely know produces higher quality. As for your question > about the knobs, they are exactly the same spacing apart as the cabinet > is the same. > There you go Dave, doing exactly what I warned you of when you first came here. If you don't know the right answer, keep your hands off the "send" button. Giving wrong answers can be both expensive and dangerous. You use your "Philco" email address to make it look to others as though you know something about Philcos, when you really don't. Now you give terribly wrong answers to people, talking about things you have absolutely zero knowledge of. There is no way a 90 chassis will fit into a 70 cathedral cabinet, it is wider and deeper. There is no way you should have assumed you had the answer to the question, and blurted out an answer that you really didn't know anything about. We had a real idiot come to this group a few years back, and he began to offer lots of advice and parrot other people's responses, even though he also was just a "wanna-be" old radio guy. He knew nothing about old radios, other than someday he would like to own one. His answers impressed us greatly. No one here gave bad advice as frequently as he. He may initially have had good intentions (later turned into a true nut case), but certainly confused a lot of people with his constant self-centered off-topic babbling. He drove many good people away from this group, including many of the "true experts". One village idiot is enough, we don't want you to become another "Skippy". Please learn to respond only when you have something worthwhile to add. We're not here to be your penpals when you feel lonely, we are mostly here to help others and to learn a few things ourselves. jim menning Article: 333693 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Euro radio of some kind (not mine) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:58:13 -0400 Message-ID: <125ess557fcfs3c@corp.supernews.com> References: <5LmdnRzNneAjqMnZRVn-rQ@comcast.com> Yes, see my Forum posts from a week ago on the Online Auction forum on this set. BUT oddly enough all this seller's auctions got pulled yesterday for unknown reasons. John H. Article: 333694 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:02:58 GMT "Syl" wrote in message news:vGI5g.60337$hR6.370756@weber.videotron.net... > > > The very last line is the give away: "PayPal Email ID PP301" > > No such thing in real Paypal emails, all scams have it. In your original email, you > may read > paypal.com but it will redirect you to a fake website and collect your personal > info. Usual scam... > > Syl > Better check that again Syl... ALL my email confirmations from PayPal have that line in them, whether a text email, or in light gray on HTML emails. PayPal Email ID PP242 PayPal Email ID PP843 PayPal Email ID PP286 PayPal Email ID PP343 PayPal Email ID PP120 Check some of your own PayPal confirmation emails from service@paypal.com and you should see them also. jim menning Article: 333695 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 08:18:20 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:19:37 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) wrote: >Well you didn`t stop when i made the offer, you waited till a few days >later.So you will have to wait for your money for a few days ( something >like 10,950 days ) .Rick 4 days and counting. Are you planning to welsh already? Article: 333696 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146561873.181421.287050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146567498.254762.184860@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <2oK5g.9617$Bh.3643@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1146582234.456310.14160@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Model 70 versus model 90 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:34:02 GMT "RadioGary" wrote in message news:1146582234.456310.14160@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > That's right, listen to Daddy. > Some of us are here for the hobby and to benefit others. Others are here to serve only their own needs. We all know which categories each of us fit into. jim menning Article: 333697 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 10:50:38 -0500 CAINE wrote: > I pulled 2 of the caps from the preamp circuit, suspecting they were > bad, and replaced them- these were the original foil caps made in > Germany- a few days later I decided to bite the bullet and buy a > dedicated cap tester for $70, many times I've needed one in the past- > so I tested the German caps from the Fisher 500c- much to my amazement, > these 43 year old caps, were DEAD NUTS on for specs- they were actually > closer to spec than the ones I replaced them with > > Obviously Fisher didn't put junk in these units- compared to paper caps > in the cheap mono phonograph I also have apart- the paper caps were way > off to the point the unit had garbled, distorted sound. 2 of them > coupling caps were at least 4 to 10 times over what they should be in > capacitance. > > I also tested a few of the old caps I have laying around that were used > as "run caps" on AC motors in tape decks, the 2 I tested so far were > good ! > > He's not listening.... Replace ALL of the wax paper/foil caps. Shotgun it. Don't test--REPLACE! Article: 333698 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:09:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146592833.409599.280600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 2 May 2006 11:00:33 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >Rick is worth something. You are complete waste of air and water. Get a >life, elsewhere, please. GFY, Peter the Weak. Article: 333699 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:11:36 -0700 Message-ID: <258f52tc6919r5eipq7h0ej2ohqju4k12v@4ax.com> References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 2 May 2006 09:09:50 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >Yeah, yeah.... > >I was trying to make it his idea.... especially as it relates to >electrolytics. I recently did over an AR integrated amp (70s vintage) >that played 'just fine' superficially. However, when I replaced 100% of >the electrolytics (with specific reference to the 1uF electrolytics on >the tone and phono-pre-amp boards) the change in tone and clarity was >remarkable. THEN, I tested the electrolytics on the cap-tester... Not >one of them did not leak. The only question was how badly. One was as >bad as 100K ohms. AR amps were garbage from day 1, loaded with marginal components with a so-so design. What you did was upgrade and already questionable piece of gear. Article: 333700 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:19:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> <1146588042.140889.50490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 2 May 2006 09:40:42 -0700, "Brian" wrote: >John, have you had any rectifiers short other than 6X4s or 6X5s? :::waving hand::: "5V4! 5V4!" Many a sad tale on some WECO design 6550 power amps using 5V4s for choppers. H-K shorts a specialty, P-P meltdowns not uncommon.. Better forward voltage drop and more amperage than the mediocre 5U4, however, with indirect heating to boot. MIL-spec variants seem bulletproof. Article: 333701 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Message-ID: <3uff52l0dn0ahufnrobcju4dge9bc22l3e@4ax.com> References: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:25:10 GMT On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:29:45 GMT, "Gary Tayman" wrote: >So -- since I don't read switzerese, can sosmebody explain that dual-horned >thing to me? > >I know there was some experimentation with the stereo effect as early as >about 1901, but I've never known of players, or even records, that would >reproduct it. The single-needle idea was a new concept in the 1950's, but >if not stereo, what would be the purpose o dual horns and a single needle? http://www.radiophonomania.ch/pesperanto.htm Wider Sound dispersion with 2 horns and 2 Diaphragms?? Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 333702 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1146588042.140889.50490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <5fP5g.712703$084.2961@attbi_s22> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:25:37 GMT In article <1146588042.140889.50490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, k6sti@n2.net says... > > >> radios that go out the door.. and no longer letting 6x5 rectifier tubes >> out the door we haven't lost a power transformer or had any other major > > >John, have you had any rectifiers short other than 6X4s or 6X5s? > >Brian > Hi Brian .. never had it happen to any others that I can remember.. there are a few that from design I guess same problem could occurr.. but perhaps the designers of those tubes did a better job?.. As for method to drop the line voltage... lower tube count radios are the ones that get resistors in them ... picked up some nice 21 ohm Dale aluminum finned 40 watters a while back at a Hamfest... about a buck each .. also some others... keep your eyes open out there.. they do appear... higher tube count radios... boost buck type small transformer arrangement like Michael said... Skycraft Surplus in Orlando must have figured out there was a market for all these surplus equipment transformers... this winter they were getting 4 and 5 bucks each for them... previous year I think I only paid 3 bucks each.. I pick up 12,15,18,20 volt ones...some at one amp and most at 1.5 to 2 amp ratings... John k9uwa Article: 333703 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: A round Victrola? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146526684.717822.6380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:29:31 GMT In article , tim@panix.com says... > > > Oddly enough, one of those also just ended unloved on eBay: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624152074 >Obviously no one thought the >above example was worth the starting price, but I know these don't >go too cheap. > Tim Mullen Although I am very sure I got a great deal for my local buddy at 90 bucks...am also sure that 2400 bucks is way outta sight for what one of these things should sell for. John Article: 333704 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ATTENTION OHIO CONSOLE RESCUE PERSONNEL From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <124tfrrpn5uss08@corp.supernews.com> <4456840c$0$26450$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Message-ID: <_lP5g.712711$084.391672@attbi_s22> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:32:58 GMT In article , newton5@remove.comcast.net says... > > >Thanks John. No "nose waving" yet. I've not seen it in person. I may be begging Dan to >take it off my hands...... > I AM hoping for a side by side runoff with the 12-S-471 though. It looks (in the >schematic) like RCA made much better use of all those extra tubes. That front end and >IF section looks SETI certified. ;) It sure "looks" like a great performer. No Question about that comparison .. although the Zenith is pricier .. the 15 toober RCA will run rings around the Zenith. If you decide U don't want it.. bring it to Lansing Radio meet in July.. bet someone there will take it... probably ME... John Article: 333705 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In "Gary Tayman" writes: >So -- since I don't read switzerese, Did you get the javascript popup asking you to "Choose either the "smooth" or "advanced" static modes!"? Never before have I thought of those as exclusive. > can sosmebody explain that dual-horned >thing to me? >I know there was some experimentation with the stereo effect as early as >about 1901, but I've never known of players, or even records, that would >reproduct it. The single-needle idea was a new concept in the 1950's, but >if not stereo, what would be the purpose o dual horns and a single needle? Greater volume. Both diaphragms are driven by a single needle. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333706 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:43:24 GMT In article , jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com says... > > > > >jim menning > > The Scam of course is to harvest your password... and shortly after that your bank account will be dry also.. That 7 Tube Walton that didn't meet the reserve ended last nite... me and two other bidders I know of all got Bogus "2nd Chance Offers" on it... John Article: 333707 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4457C7D6.4113F80@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> <4456F9E4.49537D37@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:00:41 GMT robert casey wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > > The equipment we built for the military and NASA had to be tested at > > 90 VAC, 115 VAC and 130 VAC to guarantee that it would work over a wide > > range of line voltages. This raised the transformer's cost about 30% > > more than if we could have had it built for a fixed 115 VAC. > > You can get transformers designed for use on 115VAC @ 60Hz and 230V > @50Hz (parallel primaries or primaries in series). The extra iron or > windings to operate and not saturate on 50Hz will give you more margin > at 60Hz. This would be (60/50)* 115V = 138V. I'd have to look to see > if the extra cost is your 30% or not. > > Some old transformers built for 116V @ 25Hz will work quite nicely at > 230V at 60Hz. Of course every secondary winding will yield twice the > voltage at the same current rating. Oh, watch that the high voltage > secondary insulation can take that twice higher voltage. Actually, they were split primaries and 50 to 400 Hz. They were built in hermetically sealed steel boxes with soldered in feed throughs. They cost from a little over $200, up to $900 each. That was one reason that the next generation of receiver switched to Vicor dual output swirtchers. A dual 5 VDC and a dual 12 VDC unit were used, and they failed like crazy. We switched to a semi-custom switcher with all four outputs and automatic line selection which had poor quality control, before switching to another supplier. I had to get in the face of the moron setting up our ISO-9001 certification and scream at him before he listened to the problems. He had insisted on being put in charge of the QC program and didn't know the first thing about electronics manufacturing. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 333708 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: <1eQ5g.26889$U74.373030@wagner.videotron.net> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:30:59 -0400 "jim menning" wrote in message news:CwK5g.9618$Bh.2382@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Syl" wrote in message > news:vGI5g.60337$hR6.370756@weber.videotron.net... >> >> >> The very last line is the give away: "PayPal Email ID PP301" >> >> No such thing in real Paypal emails, all scams have it. In your original >> email, you may read >> paypal.com but it will redirect you to a fake website and collect your >> personal >> info. Usual scam... >> >> Syl >> > > Better check that again Syl... > > ALL my email confirmations from PayPal have that line in them, whether a > text email, or in light gray on HTML emails. > > PayPal Email ID PP242 > > PayPal Email ID PP843 > > PayPal Email ID PP286 > > PayPal Email ID PP343 > > PayPal Email ID PP120 > > Check some of your own PayPal confirmation emails from service@paypal.com > and you should see them also. > > jim menning None of them will show ID PP301. I checked 25 of my Paypal emails (from hundreds). That code (PP301) is used in fake Paypal emails. I've never seen it in a any of mylegitimate Paypal emails. Syl Article: 333709 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:42:37 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> <4456F9E4.49537D37@earthlink.net> <4457C7D6.4113F80@earthlink.net> On Tue, 02 May 2006 21:00:41 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: > Actually, they were split primaries and 50 to 400 Hz. They were >built in hermetically sealed steel boxes with soldered in feed >throughs. They cost from a little over $200, up to $900 each. That was >one reason that the next generation of receiver switched to Vicor dual >output swirtchers. A dual 5 VDC and a dual 12 VDC unit were used, and >they failed like crazy. We switched to a semi-custom switcher with all >four outputs and automatic line selection which had poor quality >control, before switching to another supplier. I had to get in the face >of the moron setting up our ISO-9001 certification and scream at him >before he listened to the problems. He had insisted on being put in >charge of the QC program and didn't know the first thing about >electronics manufacturing. All "ISO-9001" certification really means that some bonehead with no engineering credentials took some courses in the new party line on QC and was hired by clueless corporate management to make them feel like their crap was "quality stuff." It has little, if any, bearing on reality. Other such corporate horseshit awards and meaningless certifications abound, another one being the "Malcolm Baldridge Award," for which brain dead AT&T CEO Bob Allen spent millions chasing while the core business of the company went down the toilet in the '90s. Article: 333710 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In "George Conklin" writes: >they used two horns and sometimes two needles next to each other >to make the sound louder. I didn't know about two needles! How did that work? Did they follow one another, tandem-style, in the groove? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333711 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146526684.717822.6380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) writes: >In article , tim@panix.com says... >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624152074 >Although I am very sure I got a great deal for my local buddy at 90 bucks...am >also sure that 2400 bucks is way outta sight for what one of these things >should sell for. Dunno. I've seen these pop up from time to time over the years, and it seems to me they were always four-figure territory. I was never sufficiently interested to remember exactly which four figures, however. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333712 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Wanted at Kutztown 05/12-13 Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:04:28 -0400 Message-ID: <125flrboajtdg1d@corp.supernews.com> Let me beat Keith P. to the punch :) Hi, I'm Vermont Console Rescue where we rescue all kinds big radios and phonos not just floor ones. If you have a cellar dwelling wooden radio that is unloved and needing a new home drop me a line IF it happens to fit in the following general categories- 1) 1932-40 2) consoles 10 tubes or more, tombs or cats 8 or more 3) multiple bands 4) RF stage a must and 2 IF stages a plus 5) unappreciated brand like Stromberg, GE, or Slivertone Nonworking and rustic appearance is fine even desired but no entire set needs reveneering projects please. I pay cash and most of these become part of my personal collection. And eye tubes are a plus. Thanks! John H. Vermont Console Rescue Article: 333713 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:23:13 +0900 Message-ID: I'll soon be closing my PayPal account. Too much crap like what happened to the seller whose link appears below, my best online source for DVD's. www.worldwidedvds.com Article: 333714 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146609800.922308.265630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 23:05:44 GMT CAINE wrote: > those German foil caps are far superior to anything you could replace > them with today > You sure about that? Even the mid level caps of today would be better than the best of 40 years ago. Also, you need to run tests with high voltage to test leakage as it might happen in your amp. Article: 333715 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:20:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: On Wed, 3 May 2006 07:23:13 +0900, "Brenda Ann" wrote: >I'll soon be closing my PayPal account. Too much crap like what happened to >the seller whose link appears below, my best online source for DVD's. > >www.worldwidedvds.com > > This is precisely why I have never accepted PayPal payments. We are set up with a merchant account and can accept cc payments directly. PayPal insists on access to your bank account so that they can protect themselves from chargebacks. Those of us who make their sales over the internet are at the mercy of disreputable buyers. When you do not have the actual cc in your possession at the time of the transaction you can never prove that the transaction was valid. The credit card companies will only accept a swipe of the actual card and a valid signature as proof. If you do internet transactions, that never happens and you are vulnerable to fraudulent claims. The only protection you have is be very wary of who you do business with. At AnaTek we have developed procedures that have successfully protected ourselves for the past 4 years, after being ripped off lots of times. It will happen again, I am sure, but not very often. That is the price of doing business on the net. PayPal protects themselves from such frauds by passing the risk on to the seller and gaining access to the seller's bank account. Want the convienence? Pay their price and take the risk, but do it with your eyes wide open. Better to open your own merchant services account and learn how to protect yourself, IMHO. John AnaTek Corporation The Electronic Repair Center at www.anatekcorp.com Article: 333716 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:39:02 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146609800.922308.265630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146612475.631419.151320@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "CAINE" wrote in message news:1146612475.631419.151320@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > put it this way- after I tested them, I wished I'd left them in- the > replacements had a wider variation than the 43 year old caps had > > anything made in Germany is going to be good- I mean these caps are > dead nuts on their printed spec > Capacitor values are not normally critical to within 20%, except in some rare instances in R/C timing circuits. Article: 333717 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> In <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> "Gary Tayman" writes: > That would be called a reverb! >"Tim Mullen" wrote in message >news:e38kod$pbo$1@reader1.panix.com... >> >> I didn't know about two needles! How did that work? Did they >> follow one another, tandem-style, in the groove? You'd think so, but I can't imagine them being side-by-side: each would only contact one groove wall, and the alignment would be a nightmare. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333718 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert Mozeleski" References: <1146592833.409599.280600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 00:14:21 GMT Killfile petey, he's just an asshole who knows everything and is never wrong. "DeserTBoB" wrote in message news:r08f525fotq9g4rbr7t3s4gkcflvmtonjv@4ax.com... > On 2 May 2006 11:00:33 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: > >>Rick is worth something. You are complete waste of air and water. Get a >>life, elsewhere, please. > > GFY, Peter the Weak. Article: 333719 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "George Conklin" References: <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Message-ID: <3aT5g.4955$DT5.1005@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 00:53:19 GMT "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:e38rl7$sbl$1@reader1.panix.com... > In <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> "Gary Tayman" writes: > > > That would be called a reverb! > > >"Tim Mullen" wrote in message > >news:e38kod$pbo$1@reader1.panix.com... > >> > >> I didn't know about two needles! How did that work? Did they > >> follow one another, tandem-style, in the groove? > > You'd think so, but I can't imagine them being side-by-side: > each would only contact one groove wall, and the alignment would > be a nightmare. There were two diaphragms and two stylii in order to double the volume. After the molded cylinders came along the polyphone faded into obscurity. They sell for a small fortune these days, and a rare. Article: 333720 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 01:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <3aT5g.4955$DT5.1005@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> In <3aT5g.4955$DT5.1005@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> "George Conklin" writes: >"Tim Mullen" wrote in message >news:e38rl7$sbl$1@reader1.panix.com... >> In <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> "Gary Tayman" > writes: >> >> > That would be called a reverb! >> >> >"Tim Mullen" wrote in message >> >news:e38kod$pbo$1@reader1.panix.com... >> >> >> >> I didn't know about two needles! How did that work? Did they >> >> follow one another, tandem-style, in the groove? >> >> You'd think so, but I can't imagine them being side-by-side: >> each would only contact one groove wall, and the alignment would >> be a nightmare. > There were two diaphragms and two stylii in order to double the volume. >After the molded cylinders came along the polyphone faded into obscurity. >They sell for a small fortune these days, and a rare. Do you have any idea how the styli were arranged in the groove? That's what I can't figure out. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333721 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:40:33 -0700 Message-ID: <22527-44580A11-315@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146588042.140889.50490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> >From Brian: >..have you had any rectifiers short other >than 6X4s or 6X5s? Yep, i had an 80 (shouldered version) short filament-to-plate, and the defect was clearly visible; an end of one of the filaments had come un-welded from its post and had sprung over, touching the plate. For the hell of it, i decided to see if it was "repairable" using a strong magnet. Turns out the filament material is magnetic, and i was able to maneuver the filament back to the other side of its post where it 'snagged', making contact again. Fired it up very carefully and it worked, but promptly hit the garbage can. Bill(oc) Article: 333722 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <125flrboajtdg1d@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Wanted at Kutztown 05/12-13 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 02:22:09 GMT He beat me! And he'll probably beat me to Kutztown next Friday too :-) I wont drag your poor wretches of console all the way to Vermont but I will bring them to Upstate NY..... Im not quite as pickey as John (yet) So Ill go back to the twenties, accept less tubes, settle with one band if the cabinet grabs your attention instead... I wont count the stages but yea... the more gizmos the better and since alot of my customers are Zenith Zombies Ill be happy with them too! My Veneer farm has had a stellar crop this year with that weekend long rain a couple weeks ago so if there are veneer problems Im with Al Anderson at his booth and you can drag as many remaining peices as there are over there :-) And while I dont have room for every one in my personal collection, everything I buy these days will get a full and detailed restoration before it leaves my basement. So bring ye wretched consoles... yea, Im trying to raise my standards in what I buy and come home with less overall but if any of you witnessed the half hour it took me to cram FOUR consoles and numerous table sets in my little VW Squareback last fall, and still have room for poor Ma in the front seat, you know I have a weakness for pretty veneers... and Ma wont be with me this Spring... and if I can get it Out, neather will that front seat! Keith PS Eye tubes were a plus for me too till I ran out :-( "Hagstar" wrote in message news:125flrboajtdg1d@corp.supernews.com... > Let me beat Keith P. to the punch :) > > Hi, I'm Vermont Console Rescue where we rescue all kinds big radios and > phonos not just floor ones. If you have a cellar dwelling wooden radio > that is unloved and needing a new home drop me a line IF it happens to fit > in the following general categories- > > 1) 1932-40 > 2) consoles 10 tubes or more, tombs or cats 8 or more > 3) multiple bands > 4) RF stage a must and 2 IF stages a plus > 5) unappreciated brand like Stromberg, GE, or Slivertone > > Nonworking and rustic appearance is fine even desired but no entire set > needs reveneering projects please. I pay cash and most of these become > part of my personal collection. And eye tubes are a plus. > > Thanks! > > John H. > Vermont Console Rescue > Article: 333723 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dennis Daly" References: <5JC5g.2617$Vn.169@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Question for a German Radio Expert? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 02:34:24 GMT "John Byrns" wrote in message news:jbyrns-0205061214090001@216-80-74-182.d.enteract.com... > In article <5JC5g.2617$Vn.169@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Omer > Suleimanagich" wrote: > > > The tube layout is wrong! > > > > The radio has one ECH81 and one EF93. There are no EF89's in this radio. > > > Hi Omer, > > Are you sure the tube layout is wrong? The reason I ask is that there are > at least four reasons to believe that the tube layout is correct < <.snipped> John Byrns > Agreed here, John. A closer look at Radiomuseum.org shows two different schematics and tube lineups for the Grundig model 1041W. One shows the EC92 pulling double-duty ahead of two EF89s, the other schematic listed under the same model using the more common ECH81 for AM osc/ mix. and EF93 I.F. amp. Den Article: 333724 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:43:30 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146592833.409599.280600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Wed, 03 May 2006 00:14:21 GMT, "Robert Mozeleski" wrote: >Killfile petey, he's just an asshole who knows everything and is never wrong. Well, he did catch me swapping the forward voltage drop ratings for silicon vis à vis selenium rectifiers awhile back, but he's more than soiled himsefl by allying himself with an onerous troll. Article: 333725 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:44:03 -0700 Message-ID: <176g529jjam4hnlns6bb93iucden77stga@4ax.com> References: <1146592833.409599.280600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Wed, 03 May 2006 00:58:49 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) wrote: >Robert: Peter was just sticking up for me and i have never had a problem with >him.I have done business with Peter in the past with no problems..The one i >should Killfile is Desertbob.Rick That's OK. I'll just bill you direct. Article: 333726 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:45:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> <4456F9E4.49537D37@earthlink.net> On Wed, 03 May 2006 00:00:09 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) wrote: >I worked at a transformer company about 30 years ago and they use to build >ferro-resonant transformers that would have a fixed output voltage when the >primary voltage reached about 90VAC and up.It was pretty cool sounding when >they went into resonance.Rick Sola...used them many times. Article: 333727 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: FS Books References: <1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:08:33 -0700 Jeez, Eddie. You sound like you think I am cheating Brian. I just checked eBay Completed Auctions. All 3 volumes were up recently, with BIN prices of $22, $50, and $22. It appears that two of them (but not all three) were hardbound. And none of them drew even a single bid, let alone their BIN price. If Brian thinks I am cheating him, he is welcome to let me know and we will cancel the deal, publicly. Or maybe Philco 38-116's are cheaper than I thought. Bill Jeffrey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eddie Brimer wrote: > you realize that the Alan Douglas books (volume 3 in particular..i > think) are bringing more than a philco 38-116 on ebay don't you? > Article: 333728 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 03:05:10 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > > Yeah, yeah.... > > I was trying to make it his idea.... especially as it relates to > electrolytics. I recently did over an AR integrated amp (70s vintage) > that played 'just fine' superficially. However, when I replaced 100% of > the electrolytics (with specific reference to the 1uF electrolytics on > the tone and phono-pre-amp boards) the change in tone and clarity was > remarkable. THEN, I tested the electrolytics on the cap-tester... Not > one of them did not leak. The only question was how badly. One was as > bad as 100K ohms. Peter, EVERY electrolytic has some leakage. You can not make one that doesn't have some leakage. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 333729 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: <78W5g.9657$Bh.2699@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 04:16:03 GMT "Bill Jeffrey" wrote in message news:Q8V5g.266384$Oe2.220116@fed1read07... > > Jeez, Eddie. You sound like you think I am cheating Brian. I just checked eBay > Completed Auctions. All 3 volumes were up recently, with BIN prices of $22, $50, > and $22. It appears that two of them (but not all three) were hardbound. And none > of them drew even a single bid, let alone their BIN price. If Brian thinks I am > cheating him, he is welcome to let me know and we will cancel the deal, publicly. > Those were Brian's auctions, and he ended the auctions early before anyone bid on them to sell to you. jim menning Article: 333730 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 22:52:17 -0700 Message-ID: <04hg52172of9kmf71imioackg8c16o0ka4@4ax.com> References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> On Wed, 03 May 2006 03:05:10 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: > Peter, EVERY electrolytic has some leakage. You can not make one >that doesn't have some leakage. The only electrolytic that is leakage-free is one that's got on open in the leads. Although dielectric losses through the electrolyte are small in a high quality 'lytic, they're still there, and due to mixing with friable aluminum oxide from the plates, gets worse with age...period. Although I've reformed 30 year old MIL grade 'lytics on ocassion, it's a dead cinch that such a reformed cap is going to show both higher-than-new leakage and ESR. Article: 333731 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:54:23 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1146592833.409599.280600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Robert Mozeleski" wrote in message news:xBS5g.70$Th.21@trnddc03... > Killfile petey, he's just an asshole who knows everything and is never > wrong. > > "DeserTBoB" wrote in message > news:r08f525fotq9g4rbr7t3s4gkcflvmtonjv@4ax.com... >> On 2 May 2006 11:00:33 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >> >>>Rick is worth something. You are complete waste of air and water. Get a >>>life, elsewhere, please. >> >> GFY, Peter the Weak. > > C'mon folks. Most everyone in here has positive things to contribute. But lately a bunch of folks have been acting like children. Let's grow up and learn how to work and play well with others, please. Article: 333732 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Muderick" References: <1EO4g.63824$_S7.17681@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> <1146411314.178563.158560@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146443725.269642.220750@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: TEAC A-4010S reel to reel - Need info about remote control Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:36:13 GMT I may be able to help who ever is looking for teac remote control assistance. contact me off line. "Beloved Leader" wrote in message news:1146443725.269642.220750@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > I see the tape decks thrown out from time to time, but I've never seen > the remote for one. > > The same site with the Teac plug info also has a link to a schematic > for a Revox A-77 wired remote. I'm sure it's similar to the Teac's > wired remote, but I'm also hesitant to suggest that a remote wired like > that one would work on the Teac. > From adouglasatgis.net Wed May 3 22:58:41 EDT 2006 Article: 333733 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: FS Books Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 06:52:36 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <78W5g.9657$Bh.2699@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-719.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news4 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:333733 Hi, The prices looked reasonable to me. Just because some idiot (or two idiots) were willing to overpay once, doesn't oblige anyone else to do the same. And don't forget, the books will probably be reprinted in the near future, and sold at their original list price. Alan -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Article: 333734 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:56:31 -0400 "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:TPednR9nirH3rsXZRVn-sw@comcast.com... > This is another urban myth, written very craftily, but it still has all > the > clues. It not true, or at least most of it is not. I wont go into > details > now because I dont have the time. but, dont take this at face value. > > Mark Oppat Somebody else says it. Paypal can't go to your bank account and take money. They must abide by the banking rules. Heck, they lost a major class action 2 years ago and I got 30$US from it for doing nothing because they did just that, freeze account and empty customers accounts for no reasons. Syl Article: 333735 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ATTENTION OHIO CONSOLE RESCUE PERSONNEL From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <124tfrrpn5uss08@corp.supernews.com> <4456840c$0$26450$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <_lP5g.712711$084.391672@attbi_s22> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:41:57 GMT In article , newton5@remove.comcast.net says... > > > Hmmmmm... Ah ... we have him thinking now... probably won't pay off the national debt like William's Vacuum Cleaner is expected to do... but a tidy little profit for hauling the beastie to Lansing ... but then you would never know just exactly how it would stack up against the Zenith 12s471 radio. John k9uwa Article: 333736 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Guild Country Belle Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:19:49 -0600 Message-ID: <18485-4458ADF5-909@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146658323.059268.28870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Hobby getting to you .. buying crank now .. Article: 333737 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Wanted at Kutztown 05/12-13 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:25:58 -0600 Message-ID: <18488-4458AF66-14@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146658017.872301.227880@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Could someone please look for a Philco 16B escutcheon there for me please ? Are there diffrent ones , if so what do you need to know ? Other option is a whole decent empty cabinet for 50$ or less Thanks Ken Article: 333738 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Philco 16B 11 tube tombstone Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:34:40 -0600 Message-ID: <18485-4458B170-913@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> My cabinet has a factory hole in the right side of the cabinet . What went there ? On the chassis , dial facing you in the front right corner are 2 black cloth wires sticking out & cut . under that corner there is a block cap where those cut wires go . The block cap is unhooked . What was this for ? Radio works as-is Ken Article: 333739 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146657945.919440.272700@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:51:12 GMT wrote in message news:1146657945.919440.272700@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > >> Paypal can deposit money into your Bank Account if you want them to, but they >> cannot take money out of your bank account > > ? They do it to me! > >> If you don`t have enough money in >> your Paypal account if a Chargeback occurs they will take what you have and >> the rest will be a Negative balance.Rick > > Can't say about charge backs, but when I buy, if there's not enough > money in the Paypal account they directly hit our business checking > account. As I recall, when setting up the original PayPal account, it > was either hand over a bank account number *or* give them a separate CC > number for them to dip into whenever there might be a negative balance. > They can only pull money out of your bank account that you have specifically authorized on a case by case basis. When you purchase something through PayPal, you have given them the permission to draw the funds from your PayPal account, your credit card, or your bank account to cover only that purchase. They can not draw money from your bank account or credit card that you don't authorize, such as through chargebacks. They can only pull it from the balance in your PayPal account. If that account balance is insufficient to do the chargeback, then they will freeze it, hoping to capture future deposits into it to satisfy the negative balance. And despite popular rumors stating otherwise, PayPal can not freeze your bank account, they can only freeze your PayPal account. jim menning Article: 333740 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: opinions-"cap wizard"-was "Fisher 500c success" Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:28:11 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <1146655907.414745.238080@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 3 May 2006 04:31:47 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: > >Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> Peter Wieck wrote: >> > >> > Yeah, yeah.... >> > >> > I was trying to make it his idea.... especially as it relates to >> > electrolytics. I recently did over an AR integrated amp (70s vintage) >> > that played 'just fine' superficially. However, when I replaced 100% of >> > the electrolytics (with specific reference to the 1uF electrolytics on >> > the tone and phono-pre-amp boards) the change in tone and clarity was >> > remarkable. THEN, I tested the electrolytics on the cap-tester... Not >> > one of them did not leak. The only question was how badly. One was as >> > bad as 100K ohms. >> >> >> Peter, EVERY electrolytic has some leakage. You can not make one >> that doesn't have some leakage. >> >> >> -- >> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to >> prove it. >> Member of DAV #85. >> >> Michael A. Terrell >> Central Florida > > >What's your opinion on this "capacitor wizard", to check caps in >circuit ? > >http://xtronics.com/capacitor-wizard.htm See a comparison of many of the ESR meters at www.anatekcorp.com/testequipment/esrcompar.htm At AnaTek we offer the Capacitor Wizard and the Atlas ESR60. We used to carry the Dick Smith ESR/Low Ohms kit but ran into difficulties with the supplier, Dick Smith Electronics, and were forced to drop that line. The Capacitor Wizard is a very nice, quality unit manufactured here in the US. That is the good news. The bad news is that the founder ran into some serious medical problems taking him out of the business. His wife is doing her best to keep it going but is struggling. We have not been able to get any Wizards for over a month now and we are one of their biggest distributors. We have many backorders and cannot predict when we can fill those or any new orders. The ESR60 is in stock and I am looking into another alternative. John AnaTek Corporation www.anatekcorp.com Article: 333741 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1146657945.919440.272700@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:11:36 -0400 wrote in message news:1146657945.919440.272700@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> Paypal can deposit money into your Bank Account if you want them to, but >> they >> cannot take money out of your bank account > > ? They do it to me! No. You authorized a _payment_, if there is not enough in your Paypal account to cover the purchase you made, you can either select your bank account (default) or your credit card to cover the balance, period. Paypal won't and _can't_ freeze your bank account or take any money from it without your consent. Syl Article: 333742 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:51:52 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <1146656126.763691.145450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 3 May 2006 04:35:26 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >> Peter, EVERY electrolytic has some leakage. You can not make one >>that doesn't have some leakage. > >Sure. > >But that leakage should be very small, not well-under 100,000 ohms. >Point being that especially with electrolytics, testing at full voltage >is the only way to get even a semi-acceptable diagnosis failing a >proper ESR meter. The most revealing test of all is to take a similar >value-voltage known-good NEW cap and compare the two. There was a schemo/parts list for a dandy ESR meter somewhere out there on the web awhile back, and it pinpoints oxided and poorly made caps of any flavor in one easy test. Wish I still had the URL! Article: 333743 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:54:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1fkh52h6dfho8phl4puanfkla489v64flv@4ax.com> References: <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <1146656126.763691.145450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4458B2D8.FD8BB629@earthlink.net> <1146670477.072313.306560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 3 May 2006 08:34:37 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >I am a believer in shotgun-recapping for vintage radios, most vintage >tube stuff, and even some *relatively* new SS stuff. But around the >late-60s/early 70s, caps did make a transition in technology and >quality. I do not do enough audio stuff to justify an ESR meter (unless >I trip over a good one inexpensively), so I make-do with hobby-type >expedients. Leakage and ESR are two, completely different phenomena. A test for one does not necessarily indicate presence of the other. Article: 333744 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:43:06 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <1146656126.763691.145450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4458B2D8.FD8BB629@earthlink.net> <1146670477.072313.306560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1fkh52h6dfho8phl4puanfkla489v64flv@4ax.com> <1146673489.110835.260380@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 3 May 2006 09:24:49 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >a) capacitance as measured (by the Fluke) >b) resistance as measured by the 'ohms' function after the cap is >charged to whatever extent by the meter How can you begin to measure "resistance" on a charged cap with any type of bridge circuit? You can't, since the charge potential makes any sort of meaningful measurement of R across or in series with the device impossible. 'Splain. Article: 333745 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: <125honepr29l771@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146657945.919440.272700@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> electron@grapevine.net wrote: > > Can't say about charge backs, but when I buy, if there's not enough > money in the Paypal account they directly hit our business checking > account. As I recall, when setting up the original PayPal account, it > was either hand over a bank account number *or* give them a separate CC > number for them to dip into whenever there might be a negative balance. > My bank markets that as a BENEFIT of the checking account. They call it Ready Reserve or something like that. If I write a check for more than I have in my checking account then they dip into checking...or could use a credit card account if I had one set up with them...or if I have neither they make an automatic loan with interest. So - my checks won't bounce because I'm a few bucks short in the checking account. Is this a bad thing or is it only bad if its PayPal? -BM Article: 333746 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Message-ID: References: <1146610287.090975.119830@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:24:59 GMT On 2 May 2006 15:51:27 -0700, "electron@grapevine.net" wrote: > >Brenda Ann wrote: >> I'll soon be closing my PayPal account. Too much crap like what happened to >> the seller whose link appears below, my best online source for DVD's. >> >> www.worldwidedvds.com > >Thank You (!) we turned down a guy last week wanting to use PayPal on a >~$200 mail order instead of V/MC/D (we have a merchant account) and my >gut told me "don't do it!" > >My sincere condolences to that particular company. I can understand >stealing food to feed your kids, maybe, but IMO people who work a >system dishonestly just to get something for free ought to spend some >time in jail. Period. > >If PayPal wasn't so darn convenient (IMO) when working Ebay (mostly >buying here, just a little selling), I wouldn't have it at all. > >Yet to be screwed but knocking on wood, >-Robert I don't do a lot of sales so PayPal is especially convenient to me. I have my PayPal account linked to a free, no minimum balance account at a bank where I have several other accounts. Only PayPal funds go into this account. When my PayPal account gets over $100, I transfer it to this bank account. When the bank account gets over $100 I do an online transfer of the funds to another account. This limits my possible surprise losses and gives me more leverage in case of a major dispute. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 333747 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:07:26 -0700 Message-ID: <8urh529nf1hmd6v62rbieqit05gcqihca9@4ax.com> References: <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <1146656126.763691.145450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4458B2D8.FD8BB629@earthlink.net> <1146670477.072313.306560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1fkh52h6dfho8phl4puanfkla489v64flv@4ax.com> <1146673489.110835.260380@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146675606.165758.176990@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 3 May 2006 10:00:06 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >>'Splain. > >Sure: > >Get any new small-value cap, say 1uF or less, not electrolytic. Connect >it to any decent VOM on the ohms-setting. Note that it will go >'infinite' almost instantly. Do the same for any old-old wax cap. Note >that it will go up usually to the meg-ohm range *OR LESS*. Sometimes it >will go way down in the the dozens or hundreds of ohms. That would be a >BAD cap. Both may even test the same on a pure-capacitance meter. Well, yes, those waxies were garbage when new, actually, so I just shotgun them in any event with film caps. True, though, that these "wax resistors" will actually show correct values for C on modern "testers." They'll usually fail on the old-time Eicos or Telohmikes, though. > >Get any new electrolytic cap, for this purpose, of 8uF - 47uF or so to >which you have a matching old-old electrolytic. Connect the VOM on the >ohms setting. It may drop to a 'negative' reading (depending on the >meter), but eventually it will start to drift upwards and settle on >some value. That value will be very high on a good cap, often much >lower on a bad one. This is irrespective of the voltage rating of the >cap, and charging takes place only to the extent that the VOM does so. Sure, but the average VOM cannot provide enough potential to make for properly formed oxide, as can a HV equipped bridge. If a 'lytic is leaking enough for a low reading of R in such a test, it's most certainly junk. In HV 'lytics of the tube era, I used to form them, then try this test and compare the results to what a Telohmike would say for leakage. Usually, the Telohmike (or even the venerable Eico) would reject the cap for leaking while the basic VOM test would show a charged leakage up in the megohms. Since the highest potential any VOM can provide would be from, say, a Simpson 260, that's only 9 volts..hardly enough to even begin to keep the oxide layer on the foil plates formed. I have a Weston KS-spec VOM that'll give 15 volts, still a pittance when dealing with a cap that's designed to stay formed at 350 VDC. Article: 333748 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: <5cth52t4sic4amr5csq67oq5sjula1rnea@4ax.com> References: <1eQ5g.26889$U74.373030@wagner.videotron.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 18:28:25 GMT > >"jim menning" wrote in message >news:CwK5g.9618$Bh.2382@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >> >> "Syl" wrote in message >> news:vGI5g.60337$hR6.370756@weber.videotron.net... >>> >>> >>> The very last line is the give away: "PayPal Email ID PP301" >>> >>> No such thing in real Paypal emails, all scams have it. In your original >>> email, you may read >>> paypal.com but it will redirect you to a fake website and collect your >>> personal >>> info. Usual scam... >>> >>> Syl >>> >> >> Better check that again Syl... >> >> ALL my email confirmations from PayPal have that line in them, whether a >> text email, or in light gray on HTML emails. >> >> PayPal Email ID PP242 >> >> PayPal Email ID PP843 >> >> PayPal Email ID PP286 >> >> PayPal Email ID PP343 >> >> PayPal Email ID PP120 >> >> Check some of your own PayPal confirmation emails from service@paypal.com >> and you should see them also. >> >> jim menning > > >None of them will show ID PP301. > >I checked 25 of my Paypal emails (from hundreds). > >That code (PP301) is used in fake Paypal emails. I've never seen it in a any >of mylegitimate Paypal emails. > >Syl > Which kind of begs the question, why would the scammers use an I.D. code that was characteristic only of scams? Seems to me it would be counter-productive for their purpose, rather like holding up a bank teller with a gun prominently labelled "fake gun". One would think a savvy scammer would randomize that code, or copy legitimate codes. Gordon Richmond Article: 333749 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <1146656126.763691.145450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4458B2D8.FD8BB629@earthlink.net> <1146670477.072313.306560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:29:39 -0500 Peter Wieck wrote: >> Leakage is measured in pa, µA, mA, A, or larger units, but not in >> ohms. > > Sure, again. > > But I typically put an ohm-meter across the leads and read where it > settles. If below 100K-ohms, typically, for an electrolytic (especially > one of small-value), it is bad as far as I am concerned. And usually > when I compare whatever reading I get to a similar voltage/capacitance > new unit (as compared to a 40+yo unit), the reading is much, much > higher. > > I am a believer in shotgun-recapping for vintage radios, most vintage > tube stuff, and even some *relatively* new SS stuff. But around the > late-60s/early 70s, caps did make a transition in technology and > quality. I do not do enough audio stuff to justify an ESR meter (unless > I trip over a good one inexpensively), so I make-do with hobby-type > expedients. > They're not that expensive if you buy the kit. I think I paid less than $80 with shipping. Now, I just have to get around to building the kit.... > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > > Article: 333750 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) References: <1146617931.037941.244620@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146663313.511423.238480@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146676562.527412.252800@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:38:16 -0500 Terry S wrote: > Eddie, as I stated, the survey and the payment were both legit. This > reversal was Paypal's error. It was not fraudulent funds, as they > presumed. > > Terry. > > No offense, Terry...I don't have any more love for PayPal than do you; but...are you absolutely sure that the survey was legit? How? Who are they? Have you gone back to the survey company to ask why PayPal took this action? jak Article: 333751 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Bought a Viking console, NOT! Message-ID: <88uh52tvbga7n7fvq724vmqbst96938mln@4ax.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 18:51:12 GMT So I was browsing through Value Village in Calgary yesterday, and what do you know? There's a pre-War Viking console radio with a little RCA 78 RPM phono sitting on top of it. Had a price sticker of $229.00 on it, marked down from an even more ridiculous price. It's a 7 tube set with an eye tube, and a little-bitty power transformer. AM-SW, a 5 band set, IIRC, but clearly a low-end console. Most of the tubes were missing, except for one metal tube, a 6SK7, I think, and the eye tube. I spoke to one of the staff, and asked if they were open to offers, thinking I'd maybe go for $40.00 on it. "Oh, no, we can't do that, but next week it'll be dropped by 50%." So I guess 3 weeks from now it might get down to reasonable territory. The veneer on this set is actually in quite nice condition. Condition of the cabinet is about the best thing it has going for it. The clerk said it had all its tubes when it came in, but somebody had stolen "all of them". Makes me wonder if it had only one metal tube in it, and the glass tubes were stolen by some dummy who thought only glass tubes were "tubes". Chances are, the eye tube is the only one in the set with any real value. I guess I'll visit there again in 3 weeks. If it's still there, and down to the circa $40 range, I'll buy it. If it's gone, I really won't have missed much. Gordon Richmond Article: 333752 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Bought a Viking console, NOT! Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:25:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1c0i529o2cp8f4s21g9dcotc7mdl46fle1@4ax.com> References: <88uh52tvbga7n7fvq724vmqbst96938mln@4ax.com> On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:51:12 GMT, Gordon Richmond wrote: >So I was browsing through Value Village in Calgary yesterday, and what do you know? >There's a pre-War Viking console radio with a little RCA 78 RPM phono sitting on top of >it. Had a price sticker of $229.00 on it, marked down from an even more ridiculous price. >It's a 7 tube set with an eye tube, and a little-bitty power transformer. AM-SW, a 5 band >set, IIRC, but clearly a low-end console. Most of the tubes were missing, except for one >metal tube, a 6SK7, I think, and the eye tube. > >I spoke to one of the staff, and asked if they were open to offers, thinking I'd maybe go >for $40.00 on it. "Oh, no, we can't do that, but next week it'll be dropped by 50%." > >So I guess 3 weeks from now it might get down to reasonable territory. The veneer on this >set is actually in quite nice condition. Condition of the cabinet is about the best thing >it has going for it. > >The clerk said it had all its tubes when it came in, but somebody had stolen "all of >them". Makes me wonder if it had only one metal tube in it, and the glass tubes were >stolen by some dummy who thought only glass tubes were "tubes". Chances are, the eye tube >is the only one in the set with any real value. Now my image of Canada is forever smashed. You have idiots and thieves up there too now, eh? I have a feeling the octal tubes were purloined by some addled brained gee-tawr player thinking they'd work in his Ampeg. Further signs that Canada is changing not for the better: over in another NG, a denizen of Winnipeg went out on a coolish day with a tam upon his head Once out and about, remarks from many of the kiddies were to the effect of, "Nice beret!," and "I never saw a beret with a little powder puff on it!" and other such strange responses. This in Winnipeg, of all places. The pioneers must be spinning in their graves. >I guess I'll visit there again in 3 weeks. If it's still there, and down to the circa $40 >range, I'll buy it. If it's gone, I really won't have missed much. Watch, if they can't get what they want for it, they may fraudBay it, since their resource pool of suckers is much larger there. Last time in Calgary, I stayed at the Palliser across from the Bay store. Cold for me in April, but the locals were in shorts...eh. Article: 333753 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jeremy" References: <1146610287.090975.119830@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 19:54:08 GMT "Brian McAllister" wrote in message news:q6ph52p1vr9rgj3if0k3lu52igvvmhsgbl@4ax.com... > On 2 May 2006 15:51:27 -0700, "electron@grapevine.net" > wrote: > >> >>Brenda Ann wrote: >>> I'll soon be closing my PayPal account. Too much crap like what happened >>> to >>> the seller whose link appears below, my best online source for DVD's. >>> >>> www.worldwidedvds.com >> >>Thank You (!) we turned down a guy last week wanting to use PayPal on a >>~$200 mail order instead of V/MC/D (we have a merchant account) and my >>gut told me "don't do it!" >> >>My sincere condolences to that particular company. I can understand >>stealing food to feed your kids, maybe, but IMO people who work a >>system dishonestly just to get something for free ought to spend some >>time in jail. Period. >> >>If PayPal wasn't so darn convenient (IMO) when working Ebay (mostly >>buying here, just a little selling), I wouldn't have it at all. >> >>Yet to be screwed but knocking on wood, >>-Robert > > I don't do a lot of sales so PayPal is especially convenient to me. I > have my PayPal account linked to a free, no minimum balance account at > a bank where I have several other accounts. Only PayPal funds go into > this account. When my PayPal account gets over $100, I transfer it to > this bank account. When the bank account gets over $100 I do an > online transfer of the funds to another account. This limits my > possible surprise losses and gives me more leverage in case of a major > dispute. > Brian McAllister > > Sarasota, Florida > > email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die I, too, had to give PayPal an "alternate" source of funds if my checking account had insufficient funds (it never does. I somehow manage to put money into my account before I try spending it. Novel idea, eh?) So I just gave them my MasterCard debit card account number, which ties right in to the same checking account that they debit from . . . Article: 333754 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: Thousands of WWII Milspec radio tubes 50% off going prices Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:42:14 -0500 Message-ID: <6115-44590796-696@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146677663.829345.7060@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> 5676, 1629. how much? CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 333755 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jeremy" References: <1eQ5g.26889$U74.373030@wagner.videotron.net> <5cth52t4sic4amr5csq67oq5sjula1rnea@4ax.com> Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: <3W76g.2573$g01.1725@trnddc01> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 19:56:47 GMT "Gordon Richmond" wrote in message news:5cth52t4sic4amr5csq67oq5sjula1rnea@4ax.com... > > >>"jim menning" wrote in message >>news:CwK5g.9618$Bh.2382@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... >>> >>> "Syl" wrote in message >>> news:vGI5g.60337$hR6.370756@weber.videotron.net... >>>> >>>> >>>> The very last line is the give away: "PayPal Email ID PP301" >>>> >>>> No such thing in real Paypal emails, all scams have it. In your >>>> original >>>> email, you may read >>>> paypal.com but it will redirect you to a fake website and collect your >>>> personal >>>> info. Usual scam... >>>> >>>> Syl >>>> >>> >>> Better check that again Syl... >>> >>> ALL my email confirmations from PayPal have that line in them, whether a >>> text email, or in light gray on HTML emails. >>> >>> PayPal Email ID PP242 >>> >>> PayPal Email ID PP843 >>> >>> PayPal Email ID PP286 >>> >>> PayPal Email ID PP343 >>> >>> PayPal Email ID PP120 >>> >>> Check some of your own PayPal confirmation emails from >>> service@paypal.com >>> and you should see them also. >>> >>> jim menning >> >> >>None of them will show ID PP301. >> >>I checked 25 of my Paypal emails (from hundreds). >> >>That code (PP301) is used in fake Paypal emails. I've never seen it in a >>any >>of mylegitimate Paypal emails. >> >>Syl >> > > > Which kind of begs the question, why would the scammers use an I.D. code > that was > characteristic only of scams? Seems to me it would be counter-productive > for their > purpose, rather like holding up a bank teller with a gun prominently > labelled "fake gun". > > One would think a savvy scammer would randomize that code, or copy > legitimate codes. > > Gordon Richmond PayPal says that they ALWAYS address emails to the actual individual's NAME that is on the account--not just to "Dear PayPal User." Same with eBay. That holds for most phishing schemes. Always look to see how they address you in the body of the email as the first test of whether they are legit. Article: 333756 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1eQ5g.26889$U74.373030@wagner.videotron.net> <5cth52t4sic4amr5csq67oq5sjula1rnea@4ax.com> Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:19:04 -0400 "Gordon Richmond" wrote in message news:5cth52t4sic4amr5csq67oq5sjula1rnea@4ax.com... >>That code (PP301) is used in fake Paypal emails. I've never seen it in a >>any >>of mylegitimate Paypal emails. >> >>Syl >> > > > Which kind of begs the question, why would the scammers use an I.D. code > that was > characteristic only of scams? Seems to me it would be counter-productive > for their > purpose, rather like holding up a bank teller with a gun prominently > labelled "fake gun". > > One would think a savvy scammer would randomize that code, or copy > legitimate codes. > > Gordon Richmond Scammers are aiming at idiots. They could add "this is a scam" within the text and they'd still catch as many idiots... Syl Article: 333757 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1eQ5g.26889$U74.373030@wagner.videotron.net> <5cth52t4sic4amr5csq67oq5sjula1rnea@4ax.com> <3W76g.2573$g01.1725@trnddc01> Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:21:17 -0400 "Jeremy" wrote in message news:3W76g.2573$g01.1725@trnddc01... > PayPal says that they ALWAYS address emails to the actual individual's > NAME that is on the account--not just to "Dear PayPal User." Same with > eBay. That holds for most phishing schemes. Always look to see how they > address you in the body of the email as the first test of whether they are > legit. I've had scam Paypal emails with my real name and eBay/Paypal ID ! It happened not long after I asked a question to an eBay seller. From now on I check the option of hiding my email address. Never trust what you see, investigate before clicking on _any_ link within an email. Look at the source code. Syl Article: 333758 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 21:19:10 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >This is another urban myth, written very craftily, but it still has all the >clues. It not true, or at least most of it is not. I wont go into details >now because I dont have the time. but, dont take this at face value. > >Mark Oppat > Think I am with Mark here on this one... something else is rotten in demark as they say... we aren't hearing the whole story. and Terry .. yes if someone pays U with some E-check thingie or a credit card... paypal will show that as in your account with a hold on it until the item clears.. and if they erroneously took back 20 bucks that belonged to you.. sooner or later your would get it back... think I would have had that survey company send it again... through paypal.. and see what happened the 2nd time... as for Brian leaving only 100 in an account that is paypal accessible.. question there Brian... how much interest does your bank pay you on your regular open savings account? How much do they pay you on your Checking account? ..... and last do you know how much and how often paypal pays interest to your paypal account?... How much of a kickback do you get when you flip out your PayPal Master card at Red Lobster and buy your wife a nice dinner?... answer is... you get 1/2 of the 3% they hosed Red Lobster for... same rate as you taking a paypal payment for something you sold.. 3% .. yup more if its over the border ... Do I sound like someone happy with PayPal? ... yup .. sorry I am one of the happy ones... large purchases from me... yes I request that the buyer does NOT use paypal ... small stuff... its quick and it works.. John k9uwa Article: 333759 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Guild Town Crier Parts needed From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 21:22:30 GMT Since we are talking about Guild Radios... had a nice email from a lady who is looking for some parts for a Guild Town Crier... Someone broke a couple of things on the one her aunt has.. she is looking for a Cherry Wood one... needs a top and some of the metal stuff on it... email me if you have one of these in your junkbox.. thanks John k9uwa Article: 333760 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <1eQ5g.26889$U74.373030@wagner.videotron.net> <5cth52t4sic4amr5csq67oq5sjula1rnea@4ax.com> Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:32:47 -0400 Message-ID: <44592f85$0$3700$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Syl" wrote in message news:Bg86g.66140$hR6.549690@weber.videotron.net... > > "Gordon Richmond" wrote in message > news:5cth52t4sic4amr5csq67oq5sjula1rnea@4ax.com... > >>>That code (PP301) is used in fake Paypal emails. I've never seen it in a >>>any >>>of mylegitimate Paypal emails. >>> >>>Syl >>> >> >> >> Which kind of begs the question, why would the scammers use an I.D. code >> that was >> characteristic only of scams? Seems to me it would be counter-productive >> for their >> purpose, rather like holding up a bank teller with a gun prominently >> labelled "fake gun". >> >> One would think a savvy scammer would randomize that code, or copy >> legitimate codes. >> >> Gordon Richmond > > Scammers are aiming at idiots. They could add "this is a scam" within the > text and they'd > still catch as many idiots... > > Syl > Syl - sadly - you are probably correct in that statement. It never ceases to amaze me how many suckers there are. Article: 333761 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Philco 16B 11 tube tombstone Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:54:10 -0600 Message-ID: <18015-44593492-951@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146696179.026724.265930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Thanks Dave for the picture ( 2nd pic didnt work) Ok this is a Philco 16 code 125 - 126 printed on the label inside the cabinet . Big huge pointed top cabinet . I have seen 3 or 4 pictures of these on the net now and all of them have a single tuning knob . Mine has the double knob tuning like a 620 has . Do i have a wrong chassis ? or i`m blind . Article: 333762 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <1146616317.918752.172890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: European tubes at Kutztown May13 Message-ID: <3mb6g.20948$ZQ3.8222@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 23:51:27 GMT HI, Im in need of a CY-1 Rectifier tube for an Austrian set I have. Might you be able to supply one? I will be at Kutztown and could pick it up then. Thanks, Keith "Jiri Placek" wrote in message news:1146616317.918752.172890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I will not bring to Kutztown pre_WW2, continental and British > pin-based, side-contact-based, and German 8-pin-based tubes except for > those someone will express interest in before the meet. There is just > too much variety in those tubes to bring them all over there. Please > let me know ASAP if you need any, it may take few days to find them in > my boxes. > > I may also bring with me AVO and/or Tesla tube testers to test European > tubes for waqlk-ins, one or two tubes perhaps for free and more for a > small fee payable to DVHRC. Please let me know as well if there is an > interest. > > Jiri Placek > Boyertown, PA > Article: 333763 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <125flrboajtdg1d@corp.supernews.com> <1146643891.283711.57050@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wanted at Kutztown 05/12-13 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 23:53:07 GMT Yea, there are limits to my insanity :) Keith "Steven" wrote in message news:1146643891.283711.57050@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I don't think he'd fix my 4589's wretched waterfall curves if I did get > it past Nebraska anyway. > Article: 333764 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Garry W Tidler" Subject: Kokomo Indiana Radio swap And Auction Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:57:58 -0400 Message-ID: <44594387$0$6153$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> This week end . http://home.att.net/~indianahistoricalradio/sched2003.htm Garry Article: 333765 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: <1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:20:58 -0500 "Bill Jeffrey" wrote in message news:Q8V5g.266384$Oe2.220116@fed1read07... > Jeez, Eddie. You sound like you think I am cheating Brian. I just > checked eBay Completed Auctions. All 3 volumes were up recently, with BIN > prices of $22, $50, and $22. It appears that two of them (but not all > three) were hardbound. And none of them drew even a single bid, let alone > their BIN price. If Brian thinks I am cheating him, he is welcome to let > me know and we will cancel the deal, publicly. > > Or maybe Philco 38-116's are cheaper than I thought. > > Bill Jeffrey Nobody is cheating me. I think I got a fair price and their going to a fellow collector I'm familiar with. BH Article: 333766 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Kokomo Indiana Radio swap And Auction From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44594387$0$6153$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 00:28:22 GMT In article <44594387$0$6153$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>, gtidler@bluemarble.net says... > > >This week end . > >http://home.att.net/~indianahistoricalradio/sched2003.htm > > >Garry > > See you there at 4 PM on Friday afternoon.... John k9uwa Article: 333767 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Thousands of WWII Milspec radio tubes 50% off going prices From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146677663.829345.7060@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 00:32:17 GMT In article , oabukovac@earthlink.net says... > > >What tubes,what list and who do we contact? > >Omer It says... email us for the list infonws@adelphia.net he is very responsive in answering email John k9uwa Article: 333768 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <44594387$0$6153$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: Kokomo Indiana Radio swap And Auction Message-ID: <36c6g.37$WP5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 00:42:39 GMT "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:GUb6g.930264$x96.885431@attbi_s72... > In article <44594387$0$6153$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>, > gtidler@bluemarble.net says... >> >> >>This week end . >> >>http://home.att.net/~indianahistoricalradio/sched2003.htm >> >> >>Garry >> >> > See you there at 4 PM on Friday afternoon.... > > John k9uwa > I'm going to have to miss this one. Can someone please take pictures for the binaries? jim menning Article: 333769 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Radio Rambler Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:56:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4bt1phF13di09U1@individual.net> References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <04hg52172of9kmf71imioackg8c16o0ka4@4ax.com> <1146640025.462638.269220@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Steven wrote: > Bob, your ESR is appalling. And your pentodes are gassy. My computer > receives nothing but static lately when I tune in your signals. Please > shield your switching power supply or replace it. > > I can't QSL peace and tranquility with all that QRM > > 73 de 1ASM hey dinius, go take your assinine comments somewhere else. you stupid bastard. -- The Shadow Knows Article: 333770 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146703296.287319.29050@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pioneer VSX-453 Manual Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 00:56:44 GMT "USSEnterprise" wrote in message news:1146703296.287319.29050@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Its not exactly an antique, at 12 years old, but I figured this might > be a good place to try. I picked up a Pioneer VSX-453 Reciever on eBay > for $40. Sound is awesome, but it didn't come with a user manual. > Anyone know where I can find one in PDF or similar? > Yes, owner and service manuals are both available here in PDF form: http://tinyurl.com/m352a jim menning Article: 333771 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: norml Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Message-ID: References: <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <3aT5g.4955$DT5.1005@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 01:10:26 GMT "Gary Tayman" wrotf: > >It was sometime in that period the idea was used to record one channel >vertical, and the other horizontal in the same groove. Not long after that, >some genius decided to move it all 45 degrees -- and voila! Modern day >stereo record. The 45/45 patent actually goes back to the '30s. There are extant experimental recordings of Philadelphia/Stokowski made in that format at that time by the Bell Labs. Norm Lehfeldt Article: 333772 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken W Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 01:15:52 GMT After reading more and more of these stories I figured the law of averages would be catching up to me sooner or later and I'd victim to fraud. So I closed my Paypal account about 6 months ago and I honestly don't miss it one bit. Ken W > I'll soon be closing my PayPal account. Too much crap like what happened to > the seller whose link appears below, my best online source for DVD's. > > www.worldwidedvds.com Article: 333773 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 01:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <3aT5g.4955$DT5.1005@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> In "Gary Tayman" writes: [George said] >>> There were two diaphragms and two stylii in order to double the volume. >>>After the molded cylinders came along the polyphone faded into obscurity. >>>They sell for a small fortune these days, and a rare. [I said] >> Do you have any idea how the styli were arranged in the groove? >> That's what I can't figure out. >From what I can see in the photo, [http://www.radiophonomania.ch/pesperanto.htm] > there's only one needle -- plain ol' steel >needle with a knurled nut holding it on, just like any other. That is a gorgeous machine, BTW, and the one that started this thread. I just love the detailing on the elbow (?) joint, where it says "Esperanto". A universal language machine? Who knew? :) I looked thru the second edition of "The Talking Machine Compendium" last night, and I saw what George was talking about. The Polyphone was an add-on for cylinder machines, and it did have two complete diaphragms, each with its own needle that followed so many degrees apart in the same groove. The ad copy said something about "natural echos instantly combined". Indeed! Can't imagine this "Polyphone" was much of a success. I'll have to look closer when I get home tonight and see if I can guess how close the reproducers were and figure out the delay. Probably wasn't pretty. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333774 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 18:54:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146592833.409599.280600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Wed, 03 May 2006 00:58:49 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) wrote: >Robert: Peter was just sticking up for me and i have never had a problem with >him.I have done business with Peter in the past with no problems..The one i >should Killfile is Desertbob.Rick 5 days and counting. 85 days until account is due. NO grace period, either. Article: 333775 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1146677663.829345.7060@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Thousands of WWII Milspec radio tubes 50% off going prices Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 02:15:42 GMT Omer Suleimanagich wrote in message news:U2a6g.3293$Vn.1280@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... > What tubes,what list and who do we contact? WHY was it necessary to send this same message SIX TIMES???? Ron Article: 333776 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146703296.287319.29050@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146710537.627274.177590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Pioneer VSX-453 Manual Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 02:49:15 GMT "USSEnterprise" wrote in message news:1146710537.627274.177590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > any place free by some chance? > Still under copyright. jim menning Article: 333777 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "oldfogie" References: <1146657945.919440.272700@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <125honepr29l771@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Message-ID: <89e6g.34380$Kn4.10451@bignews2.bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:02:15 -0500 "- exray -" wrote in message news:125honepr29l771@corp.supernews.com... electron@grapevine.net wrote: > > Can't say about charge backs, but when I buy, if there's not enough > money in the Paypal account they directly hit our business checking > account. As I recall, when setting up the original PayPal account, it > was either hand over a bank account number *or* give them a separate CC > number for them to dip into whenever there might be a negative balance. > My bank markets that as a BENEFIT of the checking account. They call it Ready Reserve or something like that. If I write a check for more than I have in my checking account then they dip into checking...or could use a credit card account if I had one set up with them...or if I have neither they make an automatic loan with interest. So - my checks won't bounce because I'm a few bucks short in the checking account. Is this a bad thing or is it only bad if its PayPal? -BM My bank also covers a check if i goof up on keeping up with the balance and write one for more than I have in the account, but they charge $30 per check for doing it. That's just like flushing money down the toilet! I've done it before, but am going to make sure not to again! Article: 333778 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: Philco 16B 11 tube tombstone Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:54:57 -0700 Message-ID: <19943-44596D01-809@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> References: <18015-44593492-951@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> Mine has a switch on the side and dual tuning knobs. Article: 333779 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "oldfogie" Subject: Phono idler needed Message-ID: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:13:49 -0500 I need the rubber tired idler for a RCA 45 rpm RP-190. RCA number is: 74077, VM # 17173, EV/Game (maybe Walsco) is 1447. And the mounting plate with idler is RCA 75759. If anyone has any one of the above, either new-old-stock, or good condition used (rubber not damaged or hardened) please let me know price wanted. There are places that re-build them with new rubber, but the price is more than I want to put into the player. Thanks, Malcolm Article: 333780 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:32:26 -0700 Message-ID: <18ti52tchgb9tam5dbq3v0ourv2i4j1rdr@4ax.com> References: <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <1146656126.763691.145450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4458B2D8.FD8BB629@earthlink.net> <1146670477.072313.306560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <88e6g.829$Ae1.422@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> On Thu, 04 May 2006 03:01:24 GMT, robert casey wrote: > >> I am a believer in shotgun-recapping for vintage radios, most vintage >> tube stuff, and even some *relatively* new SS stuff. But around the >> late-60s/early 70s, caps did make a transition in technology and >> quality. > >If one cap in a newer SS set is bad, the others, being the same vintage, >are likely nearly bad and I just shotgun them while I'm in there... MOST Japanese 'lytics from the '60s and '70s will be bad by this time. If not leaking excessively, they'll exhibit horrid ESR and/or lack of rated capacity at nominal voltage. I've had horrendous problems with 1960s vintage Nichicons (black insulating jacket) in both axial and radial lead configurations. Nichicon's quality did improve in the '80s. I agree...any Japanese 'lytics need to be shotgunned...period. A lot of Spragues from that same era, however, seem to have held their ground fairly well over the decades, but they are also suspect. Article: 333781 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:27 -0700 Message-ID: <4jti52td07b34jr4knnkesa87ak3tqn1kk@4ax.com> References: <1146592833.409599.280600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146711937.287851.120730@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On 3 May 2006 20:05:37 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >Peter is a good guy. > >But who's this "desertbob" ? > >never heard of him... > >sounds like some beaner from Mexico... <1146696571.553088.169450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146702950.029184.97930@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> My predictions turned true. Article: 333782 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:44:24 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146592833.409599.280600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Thu, 04 May 2006 03:22:42 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) wrote: >In article , desertb@rglobal.net wrote: >>On Wed, 03 May 2006 00:58:49 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) >>wrote: >> >>>Robert: Peter was just sticking up for me and i have never had a problem with >> >>>him.I have done business with Peter in the past with no problems..The one i >>>should Killfile is Desertbob.Rick >> >>5 days and counting. 85 days until account is due. NO grace period, >>either. >No Grace period? Was that in my offer? I think not.Rick Unless a grace period is SPECIFIED in a financial contract, there is none. 85 days and counting, Yerke. NO grace period. Article: 333783 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 01:17:27 -0400 Message-ID: <125j3ja94hf8r25@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146657945.919440.272700@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <125honepr29l771@corp.supernews.com> <89e6g.34380$Kn4.10451@bignews2.bellsouth.net> oldfogie wrote: > "- exray -" wrote in message > news:125honepr29l771@corp.supernews.com... > electron@grapevine.net wrote: > > > >>Can't say about charge backs, but when I buy, if there's not enough >>money in the Paypal account they directly hit our business checking >>account. As I recall, when setting up the original PayPal account, it >>was either hand over a bank account number *or* give them a separate CC >>number for them to dip into whenever there might be a negative balance. >> > > > My bank markets that as a BENEFIT of the checking account. They call it > Ready Reserve or something like that. If I write a check for more than > I have in my checking account then they dip into checking...or could use > a credit card account if I had one set up with them...or if I have > neither they make an automatic loan with interest. > > So - my checks won't bounce because I'm a few bucks short in the > checking account. > > Is this a bad thing or is it only bad if its PayPal? > > -BM > > My bank also covers a check if i goof up on keeping up with the balance and > write one for more than I have in the account, but they charge $30 per check > for doing it. That's just like flushing money down the toilet! I've done it > before, but am going to make sure not to again! > > As wicked as my bank is at least they don't do THAT! There's no charge at all. They will, however, make that temporary "loan" in a heartbeat to start collecting interest! They used to do it in $100 increments but they stopped that. Probably illegal - haha. -Bill Article: 333784 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Squelch that goes away Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:14:44 +0900 Message-ID: References: "Scott Irvine" wrote in message news:q8adnRDvtOycAcTZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@insightbb.com... >I hope someone can help me with this problem. I have a Realistic Patrolman >Auto portable Vhf/Fm radio. Don't have a model number. It is one of those >radios that you could mount some kind of bracket in your car and the radio >slid into it and you could use it in your car then you could pull it back >out and use it as a portable radio. Don't have the auto mount. It works on >4'c' batteries when used as a portable. My question is that when I wired it >to use a 6 volt AC adapter why does it lost all squelch control? Thanks for >any input, > Scott Irvine What kind of adapter is it? If it's a switcher, there's a good chance that hash from it is getting into the squelch circuit. Article: 333785 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "oldfogie" References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <1146716299.400295.222470@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Phono idler needed Message-ID: <5Zj6g.34386$Kn4.22556@bignews2.bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 04:39:29 -0500 "nesesu" wrote in message news:1146716299.400295.222470@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... FWIW, Malcolm, I turned a new one from a chunk of Nylatron bar and grooved it to take 1/8" 'O' rings of the proper ratio of sizes. I bored the centre to take the 'oilite' bearing from the original and put it back in the player which then worked perfectly. On the original idler the rubber was still soft, but no longer 'rubbery' so there was a large flat from the turntable and a deep dent where the motor shaft was resting so the table rotation had been "ka-thump-ka-thump". Neil S. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Good job, Neal. But I don't have the equipment to do that! Wish I did! I repaired one in the past by gluing a flat VCR belt around the tire,(one a little smaller than the idler diameter so it has to be stretched to go around the tire). But the small diameter part of this one is deformed so that woulddn't work. Malcolm Article: 333786 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "oldfogie" References: <1146678977.585593.228340@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wanted: small cup washer for Philco 551 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 04:42:58 -0500 "m82a1pa" wrote in message news:1146678977.585593.228340@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... Folks, I'd be grateful if you could look through your junk box and see if you have a cup washer like the one below. There's three that hold the speaker to the cabinet, and I'm missing one. Here's a couple of pictures of what I need: http://www.m82a1.us/radio/washer1.jpg http://www.m82a1.us/radio/washer2.jpg Email's m l d e n i s o n AT s u s c o m DOT n e t Let me know shipped cost. Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------ I think you can find this type washer at Lowes, or Ace Hardware. They would be bright, but you could paint them. Malcolm Article: 333787 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Stromberg-Carlson opinion Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:05:06 GMT I'm curious to hear what opinions you have of Stromberg-Carlson home radios. I just finished a conversion of a Stromberg-Carlson car radio, from a 1961 Ford Sunliner. I seriously doubt that these were installed at the factory, rather these were dealer-installed units. A good telltale sign is that the letters F-O-R-D, which are just below the dial on the Motorola sets, are replaced by four small squares. Aside from that, this radio looks original. There is only one car I know of, that ever had Stromberg-Carlson radios from the factory. That's Edsel, in 1958 and 1959, and I'm not sure about 1960. However they made some dealer-installed units for Ford, Mopar, GM, Studebaker, and probably American Motors. As far as I know they only made these radios in 1960 and 1961. What impressed me about this radio is the fact that for a dealer-installed unit, it's not half bad -- in fact I think it's better built than the factory model. This is highly unusual, as most dealer-installed radios are pure crap -- made by companies such as Karadio and Automatic. As most of you know by now, I hate Bendix car radios -- but most people here think their home radios are rather nice. In the case of Stromberg-Carlson, I think they made some of the nicer car radios, albeit short-lived. I'm curious as to whether people have the same opinion of their home radios. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 333788 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1146744535.397614.19910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: This radio is posessed! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:30:41 -0400 wrote in message > What else can you think of? Any help is appreciated. > Dave Yeah, troubleshooting instead of shot gunning. I can't read where you replaced the line cap BTW. Syl Article: 333789 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Phono idler needed Message-ID: <3xm6g.2306$Xh3.7368@weber.videotron.net> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:32:24 -0400 "Mark Robinson" wrote in message news:yqudnXJpZfDnbcTZRVn-iw@comcast.com... > Hi Malcolm, > > Gary Stork at The Voice of Music can do this. > > http://thevoiceofmusic.com/idler.htm > > He takes your old idler as a trade in and returns a re-conditioned one to > you. Also give Ed Crockett at Vintage Electronics a call at > > 601 264-4755 > > He can supply this part as well. I thought he just said he did NOT want to pay for an idler restoration. Syl From adouglasatgis.net Thu May 4 22:33:28 EDT 2006 Article: 333790 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Stromberg-Carlson opinion Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 08:26:38 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <1146741851.530605.260720@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146743397.298082.239670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-680.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:333790 Hi, I've owned a 1938 Stromberg-Carlson since high school. I forget the model number but it has p-p 6L6s, acoustic labyrinth, preset tuning with AFC, etc. It sounds very nice, but in a side-by-side comparison, a Philco "high fidelity" 201from at least two years earlier sounded noticeably better. Alan -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Article: 333791 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Phono idler needed References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <3xm6g.2306$Xh3.7368@weber.videotron.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:55:57 GMT Syl wrote: > I thought he just said he did NOT want to pay for an idler restoration. > > Syl He did. Malcolm wrote; > There are places that re-build them with new rubber, but the price is more > than I want to put into the player. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 333792 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ATTENTION OHIO CONSOLE RESCUE PERSONNEL From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <124tfrrpn5uss08@corp.supernews.com> <4456840c$0$26450$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <_lP5g.712711$084.391672@attbi_s22> <5K6dnWA7ktkaPcTZRVn-iA@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:31:16 GMT In article <5K6dnWA7ktkaPcTZRVn-iA@comcast.com>, newton5@remove.comcast.net says... > > Bill Nobles Good for your laugh of the day.... here's the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4459578687 Bill www.wbnoble.com > I missed someting? I've got a couple of beat up mid 90s Eurekas, should I save >them? ;) Ya ain't touching my green (late 60s) Kirby. >the John and Jean resto team could do so much with it. Aargh, decisions, >decisions... Your comments about too many of them... ya outta see this place! Watch the load we take to Lansing!... some of this stuff needs new homes! John k9uwa Article: 333793 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Kokomo Indiana Radio swap And Auction From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44594387$0$6153$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <36c6g.37$WP5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:40:42 GMT In article <36c6g.37$WP5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>, jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com says... > > > >I'm going to have to miss this one. Can someone please take pictures for the >binaries? > >jim menning > > Just handed Jean the camera to put in for the trip.. now all I have to do is remember to take it out and take the pictures. Regarding Louies Ville , KY ... take a look at the Ohio Antique Radio Groups meet schedule... think one per year at least is in the Cincy area? John k9uwa Article: 333794 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Philco 16B 11 tube tombstone From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <18015-44593492-951@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> <19943-44596D01-809@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:48:08 GMT In article <19943-44596D01-809@storefull-3114.bay.webtv.net>, jimfberg@webtv.net says... > > >Mine has a switch on the side and dual tuning knobs. > think that the single knob ones... those are a push pull operation to shift gears in the drive with one knob.. always the rubber in them needs replaced.. someplace around here in this mess I have an old O-ring labeled... This is right size for replacement of one of the rubber drives.. it works great if you get correct stuff in there... otherwise its turns hard or not at all.. John k9uwa Article: 333795 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Phono idler needed From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <3xm6g.2306$Xh3.7368@weber.videotron.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:51:48 GMT In article , jangus@socal.rr.com says... > > > > Well lets see now... doesn't want to pay ... and doesn't want to work to do it himself.... sounds like some other people I know.. there isn't any easy way to rebuild those idlers that I know of.. John k9uwa >Syl wrote: >> I thought he just said he did NOT want to pay for an idler restoration. >> >> Syl > >He did. > >Malcolm wrote; >> There are places that re-build them with new rubber, but the price is more >> than I want to put into the player. > >Jeff Article: 333796 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: This radio is posessed! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146744535.397614.19910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146747453.479563.79980@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:58:47 GMT In article <1146747453.479563.79980@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, pfjw@aol.com says... > > slightly different radio Zenith 805 .. this one had the crackles in it... turned out to be the wipers on the variable capacitor were not making good enough contact ... took a bunch of cleaning but that solved the problem... John k9uwa Article: 333797 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "oldfogie" References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <3xm6g.2306$Xh3.7368@weber.videotron.net> Subject: Re: Phono idler needed Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:25:47 -0500 "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:UFn6g.957583$xm3.247273@attbi_s21... In article , jangus@socal.rr.com says... Well lets see now... doesn't want to pay ... and doesn't want to work to do it himself.... sounds like some other people I know.. John k9uwa --------------------------------------------------------------------John, I don't know where you get the part that I don't want to work to do it myself! I would be glad to do what Neil did, IF I had a lathe and whatever else may be required to do that. And the cost for having it rebuilt is almost as much as I gave for the whole set (45EY3), and i just don't think it worthwhile to put that much more into it. Sooner or later I will find one somewhere at a reasonable price. There was one just on ebay, a used one, I asked and the seller said the rubber was pretty hard so i didn't get it. Malcolm Article: 333798 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <44594387$0$6153$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <36c6g.37$WP5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kokomo Indiana Radio swap And Auction Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:28:38 GMT "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:uvn6g.957570$xm3.586709@attbi_s21... > In article <36c6g.37$WP5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>, jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com > says... >> >> >> >>I'm going to have to miss this one. Can someone please take pictures for the >>binaries? >> >>jim menning >> >> > Just handed Jean the camera to put in for the trip.. now all I have to do > is remember to take it out and take the pictures. > > Regarding Louies Ville , KY ... take a look at the Ohio Antique Radio > Groups meet schedule... think one per year at least is in the Cincy area? > > John k9uwa > Thanks John and Jean. And yes, the Cincinnati group used to hold a real nice event (Radiorama) just across the river at Florence, KY. I haven't attended in several years, but I see some nice pictures supplied by Michael Feldt at this site: http://www.indianaradios.com/Radiorama%20Meet%202004.htm I believe it was the Cincinnati Antique Radio Society that hosts that event, and not the Ohio Club (ARCO) . Is anyone here a member of the Cincinnati club that can offer more info on this event? That club doesn't appear to have a website yet. jim menning Article: 333799 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: <1146744535.397614.19910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: This radio is posessed! Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:34:22 -0700 Message-ID: <445a10f1$0$65459$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> One thing folks haven't mentioned is a leakage path in the transformer. I'd remove the line caps and see if there is a change also. Its always amazed me how difficult it is to track down problems like this. These radios are really simple but can drive you nuts at times. Good luck! Steve Article: 333800 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: Subject: Re: Stromberg-Carlson opinion Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:36:54 -0700 Message-ID: <445a1189$0$65499$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> I've got several Stromberg-Carleson sets from the 1920's and '30's, and they are all top quality. Built like tanks and weigh about as much. Peformance wise, they seem to be average. Steve Article: 333801 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146678977.585593.228340@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wanted: small cup washer for Philco 551 Message-ID: <%Jo6g.40$EC.35@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 15:04:27 GMT "oldfogie" wrote in message news:l0k6g.34387$Kn4.7641@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > > "m82a1pa" wrote in message > news:1146678977.585593.228340@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > Folks, > > I'd be grateful if you could look through your junk box and see if you > have a cup washer like the one below. There's three that hold the > speaker to the cabinet, and I'm missing one. > > Here's a couple of pictures of what I need: > > http://www.m82a1.us/radio/washer1.jpg > > http://www.m82a1.us/radio/washer2.jpg > > Email's m l d e n i s o n AT s u s c o m DOT n e t > > Let me know shipped cost. > > Thanks > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > I think you can find this type washer at Lowes, or Ace Hardware. They would > be bright, but you could paint them. > Malcolm > > Cup washers, yes. One that matches a 70+ year old original with that artistic detail embossed into it, no. You must not have looked at the pictures very well. jim menning Article: 333802 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Lyndell Scott" References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <3xm6g.2306$Xh3.7368@weber.videotron.net> Subject: Re: Phono idler needed Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 15:34:49 GMT I use a quick and dirty way of restoring idlers that works ok on older turntables which are not of the highest precision to start with. If you have access to a drill press, and can find an appropriate sized O ring, then you can restore yours. This is assuming the rubber on the idler is in a groove and not moulded to the rim. Actually this type can be restored using this techique also, by using two different size O rings glued to the rim. You need an O ring about 3/16 thick and diameter being a little smaller than the rim for a snug fit. If you can't find one the correct diameter, you can cut and glue a larger one to the correct size with super glue. Remove the old tire and mount the O ring on the hub. Position it so there are no twists or uneven stretching. Use the thinnest super glue around the perimeter such that it wicks between the rubber and metal. Find a screw of the diameter of the hole in the idler and insert it into the hole and secure with a nut. If necessary use a sleeve such as shrink tubing to around the screw to make a snug fit. Mount the idler in the drill press and set the drill press to its highest speed. With the drill press running, use about 60 grit sandpaper to dress the idler to the correct dimensions. I do not claim this in any way matches the quality of one from a professional re-builder, but works for most of my applications and satifies my clients at a minimal cost to them. -- Lyndell Scott Audio Antiques http://home.flash.net/~lfscott/ Article: 333803 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Stromberg-Carlson opinion Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146741851.530605.260720@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146743397.298082.239670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> In <1146743397.298082.239670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Eddie Brimer" writes: >SC may be my favorite manufacturer. of course they made junk sets too, >but if you get above the mid-range on the pricing/quality, the SC >radios are heads above most other manufacturers. cabinets are well >built and stong. contain lots of solid walnut. the chassis are easy to >work on and quality is evident. great players too. the high end >consoles are rather rare in my flavor. (1934-1939) i have been looking >for a couple of the high tube count consoles for years and never had a >lead. i have many stromberg carlsons in my collection. most will never >leave. In the past someone called Stromberg-Carlson the Buick of radios. I think that's apt. I only have one SC radio, so mine is hardly an expert opinion, but the term I'd use to best decribe them is "solid". A nice feel to the tuning mechanism, well built, and as Eddie says, a heavy cabinet. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333804 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <1146656126.763691.145450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4458B2D8.FD8BB629@earthlink.net> <1146670477.072313.306560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <88e6g.829$Ae1.422@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <18ti52tchgb9tam5dbq3v0ourv2i4j1rdr@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:26:27 -0500 DeserTBoB wrote: > On Thu, 04 May 2006 03:01:24 GMT, robert casey > wrote: > >>> I am a believer in shotgun-recapping for vintage radios, most vintage >>> tube stuff, and even some *relatively* new SS stuff. But around the >>> late-60s/early 70s, caps did make a transition in technology and >>> quality. >> If one cap in a newer SS set is bad, the others, being the same vintage, >> are likely nearly bad and I just shotgun them while I'm in there... > > MOST Japanese 'lytics from the '60s and '70s will be bad by this time. > If not leaking excessively, they'll exhibit horrid ESR and/or lack of > rated capacity at nominal voltage. I've had horrendous problems with > 1960s vintage Nichicons (black insulating jacket) in both axial and > radial lead configurations. Nichicon's quality did improve in the > '80s. I agree...any Japanese 'lytics need to be shotgunned...period. > A lot of Spragues from that same era, however, seem to have held their > ground fairly well over the decades, but they are also suspect. > Being the owner of a fair amount of 60'-70's Japanese hifi stuff, I'd must say that reliability in general is very good, electolytics included. Most sets I get work right out of the box once cleaned up...mostly dirty/faulty relays/pots/switches/connectors...a few semiconductor issues. Now that I've got an ESR meter (and once I get around to building it), I'll run tests on some of my functional gear to see if caps are getting flaky. I do have one piece in line for service: a *monster* Technics SA 5760 receiver with a protection fault (visual inspection revealed a few burnt resistors on the driver board). If I had to shotgun the caps--even just the electolytics--I'd be looking at an daunting amount of work. However, as I've NOT found that "MOST Japanese 'lytics from the '60s and '70s will be bad by this time", I don't envision having to do so. Article: 333805 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: D'Arsonval Meter Medic Needed Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:34:30 -0400 This meter pointer goes upscale when tilted from horiz to vertical, and the opposite direction when tilted backwards to upside down. Both springs look good. There is weight at the bottom opposite the needle and one on the left side of the cross, none on the right side. I have added weight to the right side and bottom, no chg in symptom. Any ideas? Ken Article: 333806 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "oldfogie" References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <3xm6g.2306$Xh3.7368@weber.videotron.net> Subject: Re: Phono idler needed Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:42:27 -0500 "Lyndell Scott" wrote in message news:tap6g.851$zR3.542@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com... I use a quick and dirty way of restoring idlers that works ok on older turntables which are not of the highest precision to start with. If you have access to a drill press, and can find an appropriate sized O ring, then you can restore yours. This is assuming the rubber on the idler is in a groove and not moulded to the rim. Actually this type can be restored using this techique also, by using two different size O rings glued to the rim. You need an O ring about 3/16 thick and diameter being a little smaller than the rim for a snug fit. If you can't find one the correct diameter, you can cut and glue a larger one to the correct size with super glue. Remove the old tire and mount the O ring on the hub. Position it so there are no twists or uneven stretching. Use the thinnest super glue around the perimeter such that it wicks between the rubber and metal. Find a screw of the diameter of the hole in the idler and insert it into the hole and secure with a nut. If necessary use a sleeve such as shrink tubing to around the screw to make a snug fit. Mount the idler in the drill press and set the drill press to its highest speed. With the drill press running, use about 60 grit sandpaper to dress the idler to the correct dimensions. I do not claim this in any way matches the quality of one from a professional re-builder, but works for most of my applications and satifies my clients at a minimal cost to them. -- Lyndell Scott Audio Antiques http://home.flash.net/~lfscott/ Thanks for info, but that wouldn't work on this one. It is moulded, and has 2 seperate sections of different diameters. Small one contacts the motor shaft and large one contacts the turntable rim. Malcolm Article: 333807 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: D'Arsonval Meter Medic Needed Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:50:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:34:30 -0400, Ken wrote: >This meter pointer goes upscale when tilted from horiz to vertical, and >the opposite direction when tilted backwards to upside down. Both >springs look good. There is weight at the bottom opposite the needle and >one on the left side of the cross, none on the right side. I have added >weight to the right side and bottom, no chg in symptom. Any ideas? Ken Yes...keep it in one plane. Most cheaper D'arsonval meters weren't meant to be used in more than its customary mounted plane. Most consumer grade meters weren't really D'arsonvals to begin with. Article: 333808 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <1146656126.763691.145450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4458B2D8.FD8BB629@earthlink.net> <1146670477.072313.306560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <88e6g.829$Ae1.422@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <18ti52tchgb9tam5dbq3v0ourv2i4j1rdr@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:59:41 -0500 DeserTBoB wrote: > On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:26:27 -0500, jakdedert > wrote: > >> However, as I've NOT found that "MOST Japanese 'lytics from the '60s and >> '70s will be bad by this time", I don't envision having to do so. > > Do what Wieck did and do a shotgun on a moderately ho-hum piece of > gear, like that AR integrated amp. You'll immediately notice things > are a lot better. Spending some time with the ESR meter (which you > haven't built yet) and a reliable at-voltage C tester might change > your ideas about this subject. It sure did mine! > Oh, I will. However, having run performance as well as listening tests on many, many pieces, I don't envision that 'most' of the caps are going to be bad. > I must say that most of my problems have been with the black > Nichicons....they were notorious for going open, going high ESR, but > never shorting. Still, they were bad enough to warrant immediate > swap-outs when seen. I've had caps go bad, but not most of them.... jak Article: 333809 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44581D2C.A61D792@earthlink.net> <1146653879.215649.207090@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:12:17 -0500 CAINE wrote: > I'm sure if I recapped this Fisher, it would tighten up the sound a > bit...but a P-P amp is just that, only a P-Pamp > > great for guitars, but a compromise for high fidelity stereo playback > > Must be pretty good. After all, you're trying to get--is it $600 or $500, you list both prices--for it. jak Article: 333810 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <_vr6g.34424$Kn4.30969@bignews2.bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:15:14 -0500 Peter Wieck wrote: > Note that Mr. Nudo is now flogging this unit at Audigon, and on several > other NGs... > > Described as "Mint" (complete with factory-installed rust) and at a > $600 price. > > Fascinating. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > > Wow! You, Graham and I all posted the same info in just under ten minutes. Article: 333811 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Radio Rambler Subject: Re: Stromberg-Carlson opinion Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:20:38 -0400 Message-ID: <4buuvpF13a4svU1@individual.net> References: Gary Tayman wrote: > I'm curious to hear what opinions you have of Stromberg-Carlson home > radios. i'll be glad to. stromberg carlson really built fine pieces of equipment. they did not skimp on parts at all. even their low-end radios were built better then the mid & top line zeniths were. i have a pair of SC's "Dynatomic" models that were made around 1950. these still have the original "FP" can type filters in them & they still are good. they have a better sound than other radios from that era. > > I just finished a conversion of a Stromberg-Carlson car radio, from a 1961 > Ford Sunliner. I seriously doubt that these were installed at the > factory, > rather these were dealer-installed units. A good telltale sign is that > the letters F-O-R-D, which are just below the dial on the Motorola sets, > are > replaced by four small squares. Aside from that, this radio looks > original. what you should have done was look for the bendix made factory radio for that car & do the conversion on it. that stromberg that you gutted is extremely rare & may be non-existant. that stromberg would have been a fine radio just to use around the shop, or build a cabinet for it. > > There is only one car I know of, that ever had Stromberg-Carlson radios > from > the factory. That's Edsel, in 1958 and 1959, and I'm not sure about 1960. > However they made some dealer-installed units for Ford, Mopar, GM, > Studebaker, and probably American Motors. As far as I know they only made > these radios in 1960 and 1961. i have never seen one. > > What impressed me about this radio is the fact that for a dealer-installed > unit, it's not half bad -- in fact I think it's better built than the > factory model. This is highly unusual, as most dealer-installed radios > are pure crap -- made by companies such as Karadio and Automatic. and that is why i made the statement above, it was a sheer waste to gut & convert that stromburg. > > As most of you know by now, I hate Bendix car radios -- but most people > here > think their home radios are rather nice. In the case of > Stromberg-Carlson, > I think they made some of the nicer car radios, albeit short-lived. I'm > curious as to whether people have the same opinion of their home radios. > > -- The Shadow Knows Article: 333812 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <_vr6g.34424$Kn4.30969@bignews2.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:22:54 -0500 jakdedert wrote: > Peter Wieck wrote: >> Note that Mr. Nudo is now flogging this unit at Audigon, and on several >> other NGs... >> >> Described as "Mint" (complete with factory-installed rust) and at a >> $600 price. >> Fascinating. >> Peter Wieck >> Wyncote, PA >> >> > Wow! You, Graham and I all posted the same info in just under ten minutes. > > ...OTOH, he 'did' post it in at least five of the groups I normally read...all but one of them informational (not generally 'for sale') type groups, including sci.electronics.repair...and under at least two different pseudonyms as well. I guess he's looking for a quick sale, no matter who he pissed off in the meantime. My guess is that we've seen the last of him here for a while. Bob must be chafing at the bit in order to not respond to this...gotta win that $25. jak Article: 333813 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:25:41 -0400 haha...what a dip for leaving his money in a paypal account. He deserves what he got. On Wed, 3 May 2006 07:23:13 +0900, "Brenda Ann" wrote: >I'll soon be closing my PayPal account. Too much crap like what happened to >the seller whose link appears below, my best online source for DVD's. > >www.worldwidedvds.com > > It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333814 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS) Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 19:24:07 GMT Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In article <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >Note that Mr. Nudo is now flogging this unit at Audigon, and on several >other NGs... > >Described as "Mint" (complete with factory-installed rust) and at a >$600 price. > >Fascinating. I don't see how people sell things with little pics. I try to at least show some detail like this I sold 3 years ago........................ http://zekfrivolous.com/arr/ greg Article: 333815 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Phono idler needed From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <3xm6g.2306$Xh3.7368@weber.videotron.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 19:29:23 GMT In article , oldfogie@bellsouth.net says... > > > >Malcolm > > > > Well sorry if I took your post the wrong way Malcolm.. however as to value on these little RCA players. Nicely restored ones are worth more than you might think. See Flea Bay >http://cgi.ebay.com/Fully-restored-Red-RCA-45-EY-2-Record-Player-45RPM-NR_W0 QQitemZ6623457725QQcategoryZ38034> that one was a 45-EY-2 ... most don't go that high.. but they do bring a lot for what they are. John k9uwa Article: 333816 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "oldfogie" References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <3xm6g.2306$Xh3.7368@weber.videotron.net> Subject: Re: Phono idler needed Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:15:28 -0500 "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:nCs6g.931353$x96.134601@attbi_s72... In article , oldfogie@bellsouth.net says... > > > >Malcolm > > > > Well sorry if I took your post the wrong way Malcolm.. however as to value on these little RCA players. Nicely restored ones are worth more than you might think. See Flea Bay >http://cgi.ebay.com/Fully-restored-Red-RCA-45-EY-2-Record-Player-45RPM-NR_W 0 QQitemZ6623457725QQcategoryZ38034> that one was a 45-EY-2 ... most don't go that high.. but they do bring a lot for what they are. John k9uwa Man, looks like I need to paint this one red! This one is the complete player with amp and speaker, cabinet with top lid. That one wasn't red originally, ha said he had the place that rebuilt it to paint it red. If I knew I could get even half that for this one i would be more inclined to have the idler rebuilt. Malcolm Article: 333817 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "oldfogie" References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <3xm6g.2306$Xh3.7368@weber.videotron.net> <1146771835.607534.139440@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Phono idler needed Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:16:50 -0500 "Gerry" wrote in message news:1146771835.607534.139440@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Funny, I could have sworn there was some sort of chemical you could buy (from an auto parts store?) that could recondition rubber... Does it [or did it ever] exist? Gerry There is, but the small section of this idler is distorted out of shape, so that wouldn't help. Malcolm Article: 333818 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carter-K8VT Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 20:29:00 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > Note that Mr. Nudo is now flogging this unit at Audigon, and on several > other NGs... > > Described as "Mint" (complete with factory-installed rust) and at a > $600 price. > > Fascinating. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA Well, you can't say that DeserTBob didn't call it right on the nose as to its disposition...he *did* forewarn the group. Article: 333819 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146776600.464724.188010@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> In <1146776600.464724.188010@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >Fore-warned is fore-armed... which is half-an-octopus. >p.s.: One good 80 rectifier tube, ST-shape, post-paid to anywhere in >the US/Canada/Europe to anyone who can tell me the origin of the >opening phrase and who said it. Google-searching not permitted. I might >even give a globe-80 to someone who can tell me the context... so >timely today. panix5.panix.com>65% /usr/games/fortune -m forearmed %% (fortunes) (1) Alexander the Great was a great general. (2) Great generals are forewarned. (3) Forewarned is forearmed. (4) Four is an even number. (5) Four is certainly an odd number of arms for a man to have. (6) The only number that is both even and odd is infinity. Therefore, Alexander the Great had an infinite number of arms. Do I win? :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333820 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 06:43:27 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146776600.464724.188010@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1146776600.464724.188010@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > Fore-warned is fore-armed... which is half-an-octopus. > > But, as I noted in one of the other groups, the obvious > obsession/fascination that Bob has with Nudo across so many NGs > suggests that they were once married and went through a very bitter > divorce. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > > p.s.: One good 80 rectifier tube, ST-shape, post-paid to anywhere in > the US/Canada/Europe to anyone who can tell me the origin of the > opening phrase and who said it. Google-searching not permitted. I might > even give a globe-80 to someone who can tell me the context... so > timely today. > Groucho Marx' Horsefeathers?? Article: 333821 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philo" References: <1146726610.381073.16430@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6dpj52h5ljqb4gvjsl0tfhu3u2aors7q5f@4ax.com> Subject: Re: NASA has recently answered to the prediction of a mega tsunami Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: "Steve J" wrote in message news:6dpj52h5ljqb4gvjsl0tfhu3u2aors7q5f@4ax.com... > Surfs Up! > > NASA says you're full of crap. > http://politics.yahoo.com/s/space/nasasayscometfragmentswonthitearth > > one thing i've noticed is that every year there are dozens of predictions made that the entire earth will soon be destroyed. i used to worry a lot about it... but finally realized that half the time it never happens anyway Article: 333822 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146776600.464724.188010@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1146779575.168368.240740@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In <1146779575.168368.240740@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" writes: >If only for the effort it would be my wish that you did.... >But not yet. Ah, well. Can't say I wasn't forewarned! -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333823 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "oldfogie" References: <1146678977.585593.228340@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <%Jo6g.40$EC.35@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Wanted: small cup washer for Philco 551 Message-ID: <_Tu6g.12294$Sl4.1833@bignews1.bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:04:54 -0500 "jim menning" wrote in message news:%Jo6g.40$EC.35@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... "oldfogie" wrote in message news:l0k6g.34387$Kn4.7641@bignews2.bellsouth.net... > > "m82a1pa" wrote in message > news:1146678977.585593.228340@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > Folks, > > I'd be grateful if you could look through your junk box and see if you > have a cup washer like the one below. There's three that hold the > speaker to the cabinet, and I'm missing one. > > Here's a couple of pictures of what I need: > > http://www.m82a1.us/radio/washer1.jpg > > http://www.m82a1.us/radio/washer2.jpg > > Email's m l d e n i s o n AT s u s c o m DOT n e t > > Let me know shipped cost. > > Thanks > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > I think you can find this type washer at Lowes, or Ace Hardware. They would > be bright, but you could paint them. > Malcolm > > Cup washers, yes. One that matches a 70+ year old original with that artistic detail embossed into it, no. You must not have looked at the pictures very well. jim menning Sorry, seems i didn't look close enough, didn't notice the pattern on them! Malcolm B. Article: 333824 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 15:20:37 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146776600.464724.188010@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> On 4 May 2006 14:03:20 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >Fore-warned is fore-armed... which is half-an-octopus. > >But, as I noted in one of the other groups, the obvious >obsession/fascination that Bob has with Nudo across so many NGs >suggests that they were once married and went through a very bitter >divorce. No fascination, no obsession...just disgust. This fraudster has been breaking the rules on eBay for years, got caught, got his account back, got caught again, and now, to prevent bad feedback and "Safe Harbor" issues, is flogging stuff on Audiogon. I'm waiting for your admission that I was correct, Wieck. Article: 333825 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1146726610.381073.16430@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6dpj52h5ljqb4gvjsl0tfhu3u2aors7q5f@4ax.com> Subject: Re: NASA has recently answered to the prediction of a mega tsunami Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 22:29:00 GMT philo wrote in message news:WcqdnT6MrLwW68fZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@athenet.net... > but finally realized that half the time it never happens anyway > > But what about the other half of the time??? Ron Article: 333826 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: D'Arsonval Meter Medic Needed References: <1146773068.169203.209930@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 19:13:37 -0400 Neil, in step 2, I had to add weight to the pointer end, which would mean take some off the tail. The pointer seems too light. Is this normal? Nothing has been added to or removed from the pointer. How do you add weights? I'm using small pieces of putty for weights. This meter is out of a Triplett tube tester. Ken nesesu wrote: > I'm no expert but it sounds like the pointer is too heavy. Is there a > chance it has been repainted?. I cannot understand why it would have a > left weight but not a right one unless it was screwed almost off and > then fell off. The fact it has weights indicates that is should be > balanceable. > 1. lay meter horizontal face up and set pointer to zero with adjuster. > 2. set meter face vertical with pointer horizontal and adjust tail > weight for zero. > 3. with face vertical and line through pivot and zero vertical, adjust > side weights for pointer to zero. > 4. set meter so base is horizontal and face vertical and see of pointer > is still zero. If not repeat 3 to correct 4. > > Neil S. > Article: 333827 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:18:28 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146776600.464724.188010@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1146783624.136077.202720@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 4 May 2006 16:00:24 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >correction- Bob recently went through a REAL divorce of his own, from >his wife, and is on myspace trolling for female action...so he takes >out his frustrations on Usenet on a daily basis Typical right wing whackjob...get caught with your fingers in the till? Turn to character assassination! Moron. Hey Noodles! Check out your Fisher ads...they all seem to have "tendrils" on them now! Good luck selling that piece of slag...whew, what a ROUGH looking Fisher! Where'd he stow that thing...outside??? Article: 333828 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Janssen Subject: Re: D'Arsonval Meter Medic Needed References: <1146773068.169203.209930@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 23:27:37 GMT Ken wrote: > Neil, in step 2, I had to add weight to the pointer end, which would > mean take some off the tail. The pointer seems too light. Is this > normal? Nothing has been added to or removed from the pointer. How do > you add weights? I'm using small pieces of putty for weights. This > meter is out of a Triplett tube tester. Ken > > nesesu wrote: > >> I'm no expert but it sounds like the pointer is too heavy. Is there a >> chance it has been repainted?. I cannot understand why it would have a >> left weight but not a right one unless it was screwed almost off and >> then fell off. The fact it has weights indicates that is should be >> balanceable. >> 1. lay meter horizontal face up and set pointer to zero with adjuster. >> 2. set meter face vertical with pointer horizontal and adjust tail >> weight for zero. >> 3. with face vertical and line through pivot and zero vertical, adjust >> side weights for pointer to zero. >> 4. set meter so base is horizontal and face vertical and see of pointer >> is still zero. If not repeat 3 to correct 4. >> >> Neil S. >> > I have found cases where the weight had moved. See if you can slide the weight closer to the pivot. Some of them I worked on it was too easy to slide the weight on the arm. Good luck. Bill K7NOM Article: 333829 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:10:45 -0700 Message-ID: References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> On Thu, 4 May 2006 17:04:57 -0700, "Phil Nelson" wrote: >If you want a Fisher receiver, go for an 800-B (or a 400 if you don't care >about AM). I once had a 500-C and the clicking of the stereo relay was >enough to drive a person insane. You ARE kidding...right? Of course, the 800 was a better choice all around. Article: 333830 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: D'Arsonval Meter Medic Needed References: <1146773068.169203.209930@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 20:59:59 -0400 I believe that's what happened here. Bill Janssen wrote: > Ken wrote: > >> Neil, in step 2, I had to add weight to the pointer end, which would >> mean take some off the tail. The pointer seems too light. Is this >> normal? Nothing has been added to or removed from the pointer. How do >> you add weights? I'm using small pieces of putty for weights. This >> meter is out of a Triplett tube tester. Ken >> >> nesesu wrote: >> >>> I'm no expert but it sounds like the pointer is too heavy. Is there a >>> chance it has been repainted?. I cannot understand why it would have a >>> left weight but not a right one unless it was screwed almost off and >>> then fell off. The fact it has weights indicates that is should be >>> balanceable. >>> 1. lay meter horizontal face up and set pointer to zero with adjuster. >>> 2. set meter face vertical with pointer horizontal and adjust tail >>> weight for zero. >>> 3. with face vertical and line through pivot and zero vertical, adjust >>> side weights for pointer to zero. >>> 4. set meter so base is horizontal and face vertical and see of pointer >>> is still zero. If not repeat 3 to correct 4. >>> >>> Neil S. >>> >> > I have found cases where the weight had moved. See if you can slide the > weight > closer to the pivot. Some of them I worked on it was too easy to slide > the weight > on the arm. > > Good luck. > > Bill K7NOM Article: 333831 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: This radio is posessed! - update References: <1146787780.769272.61930@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 21:02:38 -0400 Could be an interstage or output transformer. Ken pgonshor@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for all the good suggestions from Peter, Gary, John and Steve . > Here's what I did: > > I used a high speed wire brush to clean the area around all rivited and > soldered joints to chassis. Then I used a 100 Watt soldering iron to > solder all the joints, making sure the solder was flowing to the > chassis as well as the entire joint. > > I checked all other soldered joints by heating them up with good solder > and observing good solder flow. > > I tried the emery board trick - didn't work. The board is too thick to > fit between the wipers on the tuning gang. Instead, I used a folded > sheet of 400 grit wet/dry sandpaper to clean the wipers throughtout the > entire travel of the gang for each section. Then I sprayed with > contact cleaner. > > There is no line capacitor. Therefore, this isn't the problem. > > Yes, the electrolytics were installed properly and with the correct > polarity: one to chassis, one to return, in correct order. > > The result of all this??? The problem is worse. There is now a "hiss" > in addition to the crackle, which is extremely vibration sensitive. > Yes, I once again replaced the tubes (as hiss is normally a tube > problem) with no effect at all. OK, time to bring out the big guns > here!!!! :>))) What else? Sincerely, I am truely appreciative of > your comments and thoughts. Execept for Sil. Sil, if you had read my > original post, you would have realized that this whole ordeal was > proceeded by a lot of troubleshooting, not shotgunning. No purpose to > your shot at me. How about a decent suggestion or shut up? Regards, > Dave > Article: 333832 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 18:02:32 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <_vr6g.34424$Kn4.30969@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <1146790014.595996.230030@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 4 May 2006 17:46:54 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >that's nothing, if you really want a treat ...watch Charlie Nudo try to sling mud at others to cover his own fraud activities on Audiogon. Reason he's flogging that thing on Audiogon? No "Safe Harbor." No "Terms of Service" worries. No fraud patrols...or so he THOUGHT, anyway. Noodles, that rusty, badly repaired thing's worth $150, max...as you'll soon find out. Once word of your poor repair acumen and the cheap Russian tubes hits all the NGs, you'll be lucky to get that. Like I said...all I have to do to you is crush and destroy...and it's working. Article: 333833 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 18:07:52 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146776600.464724.188010@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1146783624.136077.202720@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146790218.954430.140120@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 4 May 2006 17:50:18 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >yeh, right...the knobs alone are worth more than that ' 79 Honda you >drive ! The only "knob" you have is the one you call a head, Noodles. Boy, just look at the fraud warnings on all that spam! Oooops...there went 15 spam complaints, too! Article: 333834 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: The "original" Fisher 500 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 18:11:32 -0700 Message-ID: <8c9l525d4o206dgombsmd53vju31aqd12h@4ax.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9719295070&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX Here's yet another mono, early '50s (1954, was it?) Fisher 500 receiver, sans tubes. At least this seller's somewhat honest, unlike Charlie Nudo, who advertises his 500C door stop as "mint." Article: 333835 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" Subject: Anyone want a Majestic 90 in Kutztown? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 01:20:16 GMT I have a Maj 90 (although its the cabinet of the 90B pictured in radioattics archives) Its all there in back, chassis, powersupply and ballast, and speaker. With tubes but the 45's are gone (arent they all?) Cabinet needs a full restoration, its all there but there is a fair amount of loose veneer but no missing peices. Knobs missing but Mike Koste had some last year./ $20 including delivery to Kutztown, thats what I have into it and thats all Im asking. Why is someone like me selling something like this? I though having THREE of them was a bit much! They are a very pretty cabinet with quartersawn oak and such and a nice performer but I need some variety in my life. Id also entertain a trade for a similar quality and condition set, or let me know what you have? Thanks Keith topnotch@nycap.nospam.rr.com Article: 333836 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: This radio is posessed! - update From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146787780.769272.61930@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 02:56:33 GMT In article <1146787780.769272.61930@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, pgonshor@aol.com says... > > >Thanks for all the good suggestions from Peter, Gary, John and Steve . >Here's what I did: > >I used a high speed wire brush to clean the area around all rivited and >soldered joints to chassis. Then I used a 100 Watt soldering iron to >solder all the joints, making sure the solder was flowing to the >chassis as well as the entire joint. > >I checked all other soldered joints by heating them up with good solder >and observing good solder flow. > >I tried the emery board trick - didn't work. The board is too thick to >fit between the wipers on the tuning gang. Instead, I used a folded >sheet of 400 grit wet/dry sandpaper to clean the wipers throughtout the >entire travel of the gang for each section. Then I sprayed with >contact cleaner. > >There is no line capacitor. Therefore, this isn't the problem. > >Yes, the electrolytics were installed properly and with the correct >polarity: one to chassis, one to return, in correct order. > >The result of all this??? The problem is worse. There is now a "hiss" >in addition to the crackle, which is extremely vibration sensitive. >Yes, I once again replaced the tubes (as hiss is normally a tube >problem) with no effect at all. OK, time to bring out the big guns >here!!!! :>))) What else? Sincerely, I am truely appreciative of >your comments and thoughts. Execept for Sil. Sil, if you had read my >original post, you would have realized that this whole ordeal was >proceeded by a lot of troubleshooting, not shotgunning. No purpose to >your shot at me. How about a decent suggestion or shut up? Regards, >Dave > Guess I would at this point look at a few things with either or both an O-Scope and a Signal Tracer to see if you can find the first place in the curcuit that has the problem... sure sounds like the IF can but you already swapped it for another one.. maybe try again but thats probably not it.. try unplugging the 6A7 tube to see if its there with tube clear out of radio.. try grounding out pin 5 the OSC grid of the 6A7 and see if anything changes... might have to remove wire from 6a7 pin 4 down to the OSC coils and see if that makes it any different... also look at the candohm resistor ... some strange things can happen if there is a bad spot in them... like an almost open but not quite.. It truly is possessed radio... John k9uwa Article: 333837 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <1146726610.381073.16430@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6dpj52h5ljqb4gvjsl0tfhu3u2aors7q5f@4ax.com> Subject: Re: NASA has recently answered to the prediction of a mega tsunami Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 23:22:15 -0400 "philo" wrote in message news:WcqdnT6MrLwW68fZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@athenet.net... > one thing i've noticed is that every year there are dozens of predictions > made that the entire earth > will soon be destroyed. > i used to worry a lot about it... > but finally realized that half the time it never happens anyway One of my father's favourite sayings was "Look at it this way, in a hundred years we'll all look back on this and laugh." Article: 333838 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: More auction funnies Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 23:45:51 -0400 Interesting comment from a seller: "The wood is all there including the wood back .The veneer from the front and back appears to have been removed ." Oy. Article: 333839 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Message-ID: References: <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146609800.922308.265630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146612475.631419.151320@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 00:26:09 -0400 On 2 May 2006 16:27:55 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >put it this way- after I tested them, I wished I'd left them in- the >replacements had a wider variation than the 43 year old caps had > >anything made in Germany is going to be good- I mean these caps are >dead nuts on their printed spec Was Hitler made in Germany? It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333840 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Message-ID: <1mml5253v9pqpg0g6haj5bancjake3lnnu@4ax.com> References: <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146609800.922308.265630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146612475.631419.151320@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146804286.933177.282800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 00:56:02 -0400 On 4 May 2006 21:44:46 -0700, "Steven" wrote: >Hitler was an Austrian. You go first; it should be fun listening to you >scream when you're drunk and in pain, Tracy. At least I'm not fat and lazy like you Steven. It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Message-ID: <6sml52daq9jmio90cki5qhk91uuai33mi0@4ax.com> References: <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146609800.922308.265630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146612475.631419.151320@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146804286.933177.282800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 01:00:30 -0400 On 4 May 2006 21:44:46 -0700, "Steven" wrote: >Hitler was an Austrian. You go first; it should be fun listening to you >scream when you're drunk and in pain, Tracy. Oh that's right! Now I know who you are! You stared as Fat Bastard in the Austin Powers movie.... It's not Steven...it's Fat Bastard! It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: More auction funnies Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 22:21:20 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Thu, 4 May 2006 23:45:51 -0400, "Buck Frobisher" wrote: >Interesting comment from a seller: "The wood is all there including the wood >back .The veneer from the front and back appears to have been removed ." > >Oy. I had an original 1946 Leslie 31-A organ speaker that came that way, too. The adled-brained gee-tawr player idiot that had it for a short while (until he fried himself on the B+ in the amp) found that the walnut veneer was "peeling, man!"...and so he denuded the whole 5½ feet of the enclosure. Actually, he did me a favor...reveneering it was a snap! Article: 333843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Elma Farnsworth Passes...... Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 22:56:22 -0400 Message-ID: Elma was Philo Farnsworth's wife, and the first woman ever to be seen on a TV screen. At age 98, she surely must be one of the last of the original television trailblazers to pass on. Further details here: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060503/NEWS06/605030515/1012 RIP Elma....... -Scott -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Article: 333844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Powers" References: Subject: Re: Stromberg-Carlson opinion Message-ID: <5hC6g.5629$DT5.937@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 06:29:21 GMT I have a 335L console circa 1938. It has been in my family since new and has been in mostly continuous use. I recently recapped the set and it still sounds great, and works great mechanically. The console is nice walnut. Generations of my family still talk abut how cool that radio is, and about many hours tuning through the shortwave band, and now my little ones enjoy it too. Great radios! JP "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:mlk6g.912$Ae1.748@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > I'm curious to hear what opinions you have of Stromberg-Carlson home > radios. > > I just finished a conversion of a Stromberg-Carlson car radio, from a 1961 > Ford Sunliner. I seriously doubt that these were installed at the > factory, rather these were dealer-installed units. A good telltale sign > is that the letters F-O-R-D, which are just below the dial on the Motorola > sets, are replaced by four small squares. Aside from that, this radio > looks original. > > There is only one car I know of, that ever had Stromberg-Carlson radios > from the factory. That's Edsel, in 1958 and 1959, and I'm not sure about > 1960. However they made some dealer-installed units for Ford, Mopar, GM, > Studebaker, and probably American Motors. As far as I know they only made > these radios in 1960 and 1961. > > What impressed me about this radio is the fact that for a dealer-installed > unit, it's not half bad -- in fact I think it's better built than the > factory model. This is highly unusual, as most dealer-installed radios > are pure crap -- made by companies such as Karadio and Automatic. > > As most of you know by now, I hate Bendix car radios -- but most people > here think their home radios are rather nice. In the case of > Stromberg-Carlson, I think they made some of the nicer car radios, albeit > short-lived. I'm curious as to whether people have the same opinion of > their home radios. > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > Article: 333845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Ronette Cartridge pin connections Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 23:35:09 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146368145.598451.67720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1146451965.152635.34720@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146482752.597561.10490@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146612822.473915.130180@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> On Tue, 02 May 2006 16:33:42 -0700, Gerry wrote: >> The power supply being common to both channels, I suppose I'd question >> the main power suppy electrolytic capacitors first (especially if >> they're original.) No schematic to reference to here, so only other >> 'standard stab' stuff to offer, i.e. if it uses a selenium rectifier, >> maybe it's gone high resistance (low B+) etc. > >> HTH, >> -Robert >> QTS >> real email addy : Rob...@NoSpamBraught.com (remove NoSpam to reply : >> Duh!) > > Unfortunately, I have no idea what those capacitors look like, nor > where to get them. I can do most repairs to the turntable or replace a > tube, but the electronics are a bit beyond my very basic knowledge. I > could probably manage to replace them myself if someone could show me > what they look like or how they might be marked. Might be able to find > them myself looking at the schematic, but I don't know what to look > for. I'd hate to take it to a shop for repair, as it would probably > cost more than just buying another off eBay. I really like to get this > one up and running myself if I can. > > Someone else suggested checking the muting switch, but I don't believe > there is a muting switch on this model. It appears to be a cheaper > model VM turntable. The cartridge wires go through the tonearm and back > up beneath the turntable platter, connecting to the RCA plugs and on to > the amplifier. If there is a muting switch, I can't find it. > > It's a VM stereo portable with an automatic changer, nearly identical > to the photo of model 357 shown on the VM website. However, this one is > called a "Seabreeze" marketed out of Canada, but the changer is marked > clearly "Voice of Music." The changer is slightly different then that > shown. You have manually move the speed selector to neutral, pointing > it to an "R" above 78. Very cheesy plastic mechanism under the speed > selector. Another oddity is that it has a radio/phono switch, but yet > there are no connections anywhere on the unit for a radio. > > Thanks, > Gerry > Baltimore, MD > In older equipment electrolytic capacitors look like large cardboard or metal tubes. Newer parts are covered in plastic. "Large" varies with the ratings of the capacitor. One that would be used in a small tube type stereo might be an inch or so in diameter and two or three inches long. They were frequently multi-section units so there could be three or four or more wires. The metal ones were mounted on the chassis or PC board and had metal terminals all on one end. Again the number varied. The one in your unit would probably be marked something like: RED 40MFD 150V YELLOW 40MFD 150V BLACK COMMON NEGATIVE The values varied, 50 - 30 was another common one (instead of 40 - 40). Wire colors varied also although most had a red and a black wire. Since the metal can ones didn't have wires, they had symbols (square, triangle, semi-circle, and blank were commonly used) stamped into the base insulator and these symbols would replace the colors in the value list. Capacitors of this type are generally not available any more (a few types are still made). You will probably have to replace it with several single section capacitors. These can be obtained from any electronics dealer like Mouser or Digi-Key. They will be much smaller than the old one. The values will probably be different too. For example, you would use 47uF (MF and MFD have generally disappeared too) instead of 40 or 50 and 33 instead of 30. Instead of 150V, you would use 150, 160, or 200V. Be sure to observe the polarity on these capacitors. If you get it reversed it will be destroyed; it may explode. American and European made capacitors usually have the + side marked while oriental companies usually mark the - side. A good capacitor like this can hold a substantial charge for a long time. Generally they discharge through the equipment when it is turned off. However, if you turn it off before the tubes warm up or if they aren't working, you could be in for a shocking surprise. The safest way is to check with a voltmeter before you touch anything. If they are still charged they can be discharged by leaving the meter connected (which takes a long time) or by connecting a 1K, 10W resistor across them. You could also simply short them but it is possible that the current surge would damage them (but it usually doesn't). Good luck, -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333846 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: More auction funnies Message-ID: References: <1146824043.768463.113130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146824286.812649.38990@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 06:26:26 -0400 On 5 May 2006 03:18:06 -0700, "Steven" wrote: >I'm not gonna plonk you if it's so much phun ph---ing with yer head. > >Yer a riot Jack Cukoo...cukoo..skippy sure is off his rocker this morning. It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333847 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eric Belanger" Subject: Hallicrafters SX-62 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:34:46 -0400 Hello Group, I need the schematic for an HALLICRAFTERS SX-62. The one on Nostalgia Air (Riders Volume 20 - HALLICRAFTERS 20-41) is not very readable. I'm having trouble in the AM section and can not follw the schematic and read components values... I started recapping it, but some black beauty caps are almost impossible to get at! :( Thanks, Eric electro_boy@hotmail.com Article: 333848 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:57:21 -0700 Message-ID: <14608-445B67D1-645@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146804286.933177.282800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> >Hitler was an Austrian. Also his born name was Schikelgruber. But it woulda sounded dorky if everybody had to holler "heil Schikelgruber!". References: <445B3C05.2F6A6156@earthlink.net> Another option is to chuck it in a drill press as mentioned or even a hand drill laying on the bench and grind the hard rubber down just enough to get it even then superglue a thin vcr belt around it and rework it in the drill again to remove any glue & even it out . No not the best either bu it is ``budget`` Article: 333850 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ? Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:49:36 -0400 Message-ID: <125mt0ihbg5r3ab@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> CAINE wrote: > I've been comparing push pull to single ended designs now, for over 2 > years, I've yet to find a push pull that is better. > > what gives ? > You prefer 2nd Order distortion. No biggie. Some do, some don't. Article: 333851 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" Subject: overdue note Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:24:34 -0500 Guys and gals, A week or two ago, I posted a query on how to deal with veneer that had lifted on the front curve of a Majestic here. I haven't solved the problem yet, but just wanted to thank everyone who weighed-in with ideas and suggestions. I've saved them all in a file, until I can really dig into the project. Thanks, Nelson Article: 333852 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:29:52 -0700 Message-ID: <4bvm52tvb0seshtmknuaj0kba0pkfdjblu@4ax.com> References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <_vr6g.34424$Kn4.30969@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <1146829132.394567.27090@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 04:38:52 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >Bobby-Boy is averaging three (3) posts for every one of Nudo's lately. >Jilted brides are sooooo bitter. I'm still waiting for you admission that I was correct about Noodles and your apology...but seeing's how small a man you are, you probably won't. Article: 333853 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:31:56 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146823132.227586.234270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 02:58:52 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >perhaps you can "forewarn" the group, as to who travelled 40 miles to >get the Fisher, bought it, paid for the tubes and repair parts, and did >the repair. Great...now you have a rusted up, poorly repaired 500C. Price? $150. >ps- they call that guy, the "owner", in this neck of the woods, i.e. >the USA. Where are you from, communist China ? of some Red Audio >group ?? You know, where vintage stereos are communal property ?? More paranoid delusional ramblings of a mentally challenged right wing 'tardo. Article: 333854 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:36:12 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146766311.649186.159370@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146822887.266124.216810@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 02:54:47 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >The Fisher served it's purpose- interesting and fun repair. When >compared against the Akai M8 dual monoblocks, I still prefer the Akai >rig. The Fisher has more bass and is louder, but the Akai is clearer >and more detail. What a crock of shit. He got that Fisher for one purpose and one purpose only....to make a killing selling it. Look at his history...he's a fraudster and eBay hustler, and I warned this NG first. All I got for my trouble was a bunch of crap from "little men" like Peter the Weak and others. > >Fishers are often described as a "dark and smoky" sound, and after >hearing one, I agree. You wouldn't know what sounds good from what sounds bad. AFter all, after stupidly describing how you were using that Akai thing as a power amp, it was pointed out that you really don't know what you're doing with that, either. Not only that, they're not even "single ended"...moron. Oh yeah...what about those "68Q5" tubes in there? Remember, Noodles? You have no clue as to what you're talking about...you're only into this crap to make money to feed your fat face. >I can't keep every rig I fix up, just to give a listen to. Otherwise >I'd need a storage building the size of a gymnasium. So you keep some crappy jap tape deck as a power amp, and sell one of the best tube powered receivers ever built. Sure makes sense to me! Why don't you just throw your computer in the Beech Creek Septic Mudpuddle (with the unsafe dam) and go get that job at Burger King? > >Which reminds me, did you finally realize and admit to yourself, that >an Akai M8 is single ended dual monoblock, and not push-pull ? No, it isn't. I'm also tired of the "audiophool" overuse of the term, "monoblock," which means nothing. Article: 333855 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Thousands of WWII Milspec radio tubes 50% off going prices Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:37:44 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146677663.829345.7060@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Fri, 05 May 2006 05:50:09 GMT, "Omer Suleimanagich" wrote: >Earthstink problems! Friends don't let friends use Earthstink. It's run by a bunch of brainwashed Scientologist clones from that competitor to L. Ron Hoover's Scientology scam, Mindspring. Stay away...stay WAY far away. Article: 333856 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:39:00 -0700 Message-ID: References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146822993.605357.224280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 02:56:33 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >what's this "all" crap ? > >you must have a pocketful of ants or something... > >JOHN STONE nailed the open resistor problem, after I took the voltage >readings and posted them. > >The other bad resistor and shorted jumper pin, I found myself. Noodles, when you started to "fix" that thing, you were a cub bear with boxing gloves on, face it. You owe these people in here a chunk of the booty you're trying to collect for this thing. Of course, being a fraudster and petty crook, you won't do that. Article: 333857 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:40:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 05:10:06 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >Charlie: > >Look up the Native American fable: The Fox (Frog) and the Scorpion. > >Take it to heart. > >You have revealed your true nature. Let's hope we all learn from this. ...and you heard it here first. Where's my apology, Wieck? Article: 333858 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:40:01 -0700 Message-ID: References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 03:56:30 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >And Graham, you didn't contribute ANYTHING of value. How much are YOU going to contribute to those who shot the trouble for you, you fat slob? Article: 333859 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:43:13 -0700 Message-ID: References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146842379.915777.236290@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 08:19:39 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >Pete, > >are you interested in buying it ? if you are, feel free to make a >lower offer based on your assumptions > >otherwise, what's your point ? > >the front panel on that unit IS mint. No, it isn't. Even with the purposely shitty lo-res pix, I can see a lot of wear on the knob garnishes. Windex doesn't make things "mint," Noodles. That was your MO when you were trying to be the "8 track servicer of the world," wasn't it? Use Windex and Pledge, run a "beeper cleaner" through it and call it "JUST SERVICED!" on fraudBay? > >the price is negotiable- what do you want ? I'll pony up $100 for it plus S&H. It'll need a set of outputs, for sure, and a lot of other restorative work, and who knows what damage you did to it while fumbling around in there? Article: 333860 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146842379.915777.236290@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146844958.398043.52930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:45:30 -0500 Peter Wieck wrote: > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > > p.s.: Same Offer: Good 80 rectifier tube for a (without googling or > equivalent) correct definition of "tinker's dam"... to the first with > it, of course. Post Paid, Americas, Europe, Asia. > I believe it has something to do with soldering or casting metal; but I'm not claiming the prize based on this incomplete (and possibly wrong) answer. jak Article: 333861 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:51:11 -0700 Message-ID: <0a0n52pvlodcuguic6ec5a3mncnsccjku8@4ax.com> References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146842379.915777.236290@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146844958.398043.52930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 09:02:38 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >With all due respect > >p.s.: Same Offer: Good 80 rectifier tube for a (without googling or >equivalent) correct definition of "tinker's dam"... to the first with >it, of course. Post Paid, Americas, Europe, Asia. I'll take a shot at this. A "tinker" in olden times was a metalsmith, usually itinerant, who would go around fixing utensils like pots and kettles by soldering them back together. A "tinker's dam" was a clay or other dough used to contain molten solder alloy to certain place within a pot or kettle under repair. How do I know? Organ pipe making is "tinkering," and oft times, while making certain types of languids and other pipe parts, a dam is used to hold the molten tin/lead alloy (or zinc, or tin, or whatever alloy the particular stop's pipes are made from) in a certain area until it cools sufficiently to be worked. The only thing I can come up with entymologically as to why a "tinker's dam" would be something of no worth is that after forming a dam con contain the alloy, the dam material would be thrown away, as it was generally not reusable. Saw this a lot in Abbot & Seiker's pipe shop in Los Angeles. By the way...Charlie Nudo isn't worth a "tinker's dam" at any time! Article: 333862 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody... Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:55:56 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146804286.933177.282800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <14608-445B67D1-645@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> On Fri, 5 May 2006 07:57:21 -0700, oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) wrote: >>Hitler was an Austrian. > >Also his born name was Schikelgruber. But it woulda sounded dorky if >everybody had to holler "heil Schikelgruber!". Also embarrassing is the "mistake" that's occupying the California governor's office at the moment, AHHHnuld Schwarzenegger. Literal translation? "Black head" Someone send AHHHHnuld some of those little peel-off strips, stat! The voters will be "peeling him off" in November, anyway, so maybe it's not an emergency.. Article: 333863 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ? Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:56:46 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 08:27:08 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >I've been comparing push pull to single ended designs now, for over 2 >years, I've yet to find a push pull that is better. Noodles, you have trouble comparing you ass to your fat face most times. You have no qualifications or ability to make such a judgement call. Article: 333864 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: I done switched! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:58:51 -0700 Message-ID: References: <3wK6g.29$W83.5@trnddc07> On Fri, 05 May 2006 15:51:27 GMT, "Gary Tayman" wrote: >My old gtayman@mindspring.com (go ahead spammers, fill it up!) will no >longer be accessed. It's good to be rid of those wannabe Scientologists over at Earthfink, isn't it? Article: 333865 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ? Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:05:45 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146844570.022276.8790@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 08:56:10 -0700, "BH" wrote: > >CAINE wrote: >> I've been comparing push pull to single ended designs now, for over 2 >> years, I've yet to find a push pull that is better. >> >> what gives ? > >It all depends on what the word "better" means. It's as easy as pie: "Single ended": Gobs of THD usually in the 'teens, unrealistically low acoustic output even from efficient loudspeaker systems. Many unmusical/uneducated people think there's more "detail" to single ended power amplifiers because they equate the clearly audible even-ordered distortion as "more detail," when it's actually an artifact of distortion errors. Ancient 1930s amps using interstage transformer add odd-ordered harmonics to the mix, and muddled brains think this is also "more detail." Well designed and equipped "push-pull": Closer to realistic power output, but many "single ended" wags roar about "crossover distortion" and the negative slewing effects of inverse feedback. Low THD in the order of less than 1% at full rated RMS power in good designs. It "sounds like music" to someone who's had experience auditioning live performance or has dealt exclusively with recording same. The issue of "slew rate" doesn't even begin to become an issue for tube powered gear, since even the "single ended" examples can't slew anything, anyway. Neither design can begin to approach the accuracy of a well designed MOSFET power amp, either in freedom from distortion, realistic slew rate or ability to deliver realistic power levels. It's all for naught anyway, since the average cone driven loudspeaker system adds tons of harmonic (and inharmonic) energy, anyway. >BH Article: 333866 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146842379.915777.236290@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146844958.398043.52930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Message-ID: <_7N6g.4477$ix6.346843@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:50:35 -0400 "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1146844958.398043.52930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > p.s.: Same Offer: Good 80 rectifier tube for a (without googling or > equivalent) correct definition of "tinker's dam"... to the first with > it, of course. Post Paid, Americas, Europe, Asia. I believe that a tinker is (was?) a man that worked with tin. What's that expression, "tinker, tailor (mumble), sailor"? So his "dam" could have been something he used in repairs to stop liquid metal overflowing? And no, no help sought, I only used what's left of my own tired brains. cheers, Frank Article: 333867 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <1146726610.381073.16430@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6dpj52h5ljqb4gvjsl0tfhu3u2aors7q5f@4ax.com> <1146801932.166759.66860@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146843409.498167.163890@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: NASA has recently answered to the prediction of a mega tsunami Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:54:32 -0400 "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1146843409.498167.163890@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > It requires constant effort to keep the Net from spiralling into chaos. Keep up the good work, Tox. :) Article: 333868 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <3wK6g.29$W83.5@trnddc07> Subject: Re: I done switched! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:01:33 GMT I'm getting there . . . I still have Earthlink turned on, and my website's still there. That's my next step, to move it. With setup so far, I've had to call a couple of times. Calling Verizon and calling Earthlink are as different as night and day! Still, the migration takes awhile, so I'm fitting all this in while working on radios. Hopefully by next week all will be said and done. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "DeserTBoB" wrote in message news:c11n52dt2jo6v1h2pmbv2ta0c75bo89sl1@4ax.com... > On Fri, 05 May 2006 15:51:27 GMT, "Gary Tayman" > wrote: > >>My old gtayman@mindspring.com (go ahead spammers, fill it up!) will no >>longer be accessed. > > It's good to be rid of those wannabe Scientologists over at Earthfink, > isn't it? Article: 333869 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:16:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1kcn529qvalm04nn4o64b2s4cs5g4b8in4@4ax.com> References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146842379.915777.236290@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146844958.398043.52930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <0a0n52pvlodcuguic6ec5a3mncnsccjku8@4ax.com> <1146848924.487908.276140@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 10:08:54 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >Soooooo..... Close. But you overshot the mark. Rats! Article: 333870 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:17:18 -0700 Message-ID: <4lcn52tsq65kpd39k8rucekhseonnsm0hk@4ax.com> References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146842379.915777.236290@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146844958.398043.52930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <_7N6g.4477$ix6.346843@news20.bellglobal.com> On Fri, 5 May 2006 14:50:35 -0400, "Buck Frobisher" wrote: >"Peter Wieck" wrote in message >news:1146844958.398043.52930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... >> p.s.: Same Offer: Good 80 rectifier tube for a (without googling or >> equivalent) correct definition of "tinker's dam"... to the first with >> it, of course. Post Paid, Americas, Europe, Asia. > >I believe that a tinker is (was?) a man that worked with tin. What's that >expression, "tinker, tailor (mumble), sailor"? BZZZZZZZZZZZT! >So his "dam" could have been something he used in repairs to stop liquid >metal overflowing? DING DING DING! > >And no, no help sought, I only used what's left of my own tired brains. Mine are equally tired and aging faster than I'd care them to do so. Article: 333871 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <445BB402.416939BB@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: I done switched! References: <3wK6g.29$W83.5@trnddc07> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:23:42 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > > I'm getting there . . . > > I still have Earthlink turned on, and my website's still there. That's my > next step, to move it. With setup so far, I've had to call a couple of > times. Calling Verizon and calling Earthlink are as different as night and > day! > > Still, the migration takes awhile, so I'm fitting all this in while working > on radios. > > Hopefully by next week all will be said and done. Gary, you might want to downgrade the Earthlink account to a cheap dialup account for a couple months and leave an automatic redirect link at the old website till the search engines find your new website. I have a javascript that should work, if you need it. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 333872 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:36:49 -0700 Message-ID: References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146842379.915777.236290@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146844958.398043.52930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <_7N6g.4477$ix6.346843@news20.bellglobal.com> <1146858226.227527.63220@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 12:43:46 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >SOOOOooo close again. > >OK: First the Octopus Reference: > >Deacon Mushrat and Molester T. Mole were ranting on immigration, and >then decided that they were Indians (native Americans in the 60s), so >as to be the only true & pure Americans. During one of Deacons many >rants on the subject, he came up with FOREWARNED is FOREARMED... to >which Porky Porcupine answered: which is half-an-octopus. Pogo. Timely >today. Another oft-misquoted Pogo attribution: "We have seen the enemy, and it are us!" >Tinker's Dam: Common parlance (but not correct): A clay dam used to >hold liquid hot metal in place while it cooled, used by Tinkers when >repairing pots. Close-but-not-quite. Actually the term applies to the >bit of metal itself, as follows: Itinerant Tinkers repaired pots >(amongst other things) as a means of income, and usually for poor >people (but of fixed abode). Cheap pots in those days were either >poor-quality grey iron, flash-tinplate steel, or other very cheap >alloys. They very often got holes in them. A tinker would partially >melt an alloy of lead with a tiny admixture of tin and while it was in >a semi-molten state force it into the hole with a curved, narrow wooden >spatula, and shape it around the hole inside and out (I actually >observed this process once when I was in Ireland, now 32 years ago). >Quite often, this repair fails the first time the pot is used over a >hot fire... hence being taken as about the most worthless & useless >thing imaginable. Sounds right to me, although I've observed the clay "damming" method in use in an organ pipe shop. > >Bob was first-in-line with the common-usage term, and fair-being-fair, >I am willing to offer him the 80 if he believes his answer is >close-enough. But a tinker would never have repaired a 'broken' pot in >the sense he described using liquid metal. Nor would that tinker have >used clay (as a dam) to repair the more typical holes. Arguable. I'll take the 80, thanks very much. About my knowledge of this term: My great-grandfather emigrated to the US after the crushing chaos of the Potato Famine from County Cork, where poverty was the norm and the rich were English. "Tinkers" were actually the fraudsters of those times, promising to fix leaky and broken utensils in someone's home. Of course, as Peter alludes, the "patch" would simply melt when the utensil would be placed upon a hot hearth, but the fraudster/tinker would be long gone, usually with poor Paddy's shillings (or a few morsels of food) in hand, looking for another "mark." Thus, Great-Grandpa was wont to use the term "tinker's dam" and "tinkering" and "tinkerer" a lot according to my mother and her brothers, who also passed on the usage of the terms to me. All the terms were derisive, denoting someone or something that was basically worthless, usually with the aura of fraud attached. I won't even get into the lead poisoning caused by such repairs to food preparation utensils, which, later research found, was a very real problem in the British Isles among the poor in the 19th century, as it was in the early 20th here due to lead based paints and poured lead in plumbing. Charlie Nudo is a good example of a modern day "tinkerer" in Papa Dumpert's lingo. I won't even begin to say what he thought of Italians in general, but Noodles, all these decades later, seems to be proving him correct. Article: 333873 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:38:04 -0700 Message-ID: References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146855569.770943.312080@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 11:59:29 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >As you are based on your behavior an obsessed and bitter former spouse >of the individual under discussion, you do not rate as a neutral party. >Accordingly, an apology is neither necessary nor appropriate. Oh piffle. I'll consider the filament in that 80 to be your "apology." Article: 333874 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Heriberto" Subject: RCA Q36 SCHEMATICS NEEDED Message-ID: <445bcb54_1@x-privat.org> Date: 6 May 2006 00:01:56 +0200 Hi All: I have a RCA q36 receiver, maked about 1947.- I needed schematics him, for controller voltages in tubes socket.- Anyhone can help me? Thanks in advance Heriberto LU6DBU Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita http://www.x-privat.org/join.php Article: 333875 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gene" Subject: eBay feedback meaningless Date: 05 May 2006 17:56:25 EDT Message-ID: Hi, All. This may be old news to many of you, but it was a revelation for me. eBay allows users to create as many aliases as they want. There is no obvious connection between aliases and they don't share feedback. The upshot of this is: 1. You cannot know who you are dealing with. 2. You cannot know the true history of anyone. 3. You cannot leave meaningful feedback, as the alias will simply be abandoned and another created if any unfavorable feedback arrives. I have been aware of eBay's history of protecting problem sellers, but this is a wrinkle I didn't know about. Buyer beware! -G Article: 333876 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <3wK6g.29$W83.5@trnddc07> <445BB402.416939BB@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: I done switched! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 22:05:05 GMT That's exactly what I intend to do. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:445BB402.416939BB@earthlink.net... > Gary Tayman wrote: >> >> I'm getting there . . . >> >> I still have Earthlink turned on, and my website's still there. That's >> my >> next step, to move it. With setup so far, I've had to call a couple of >> times. Calling Verizon and calling Earthlink are as different as night >> and >> day! >> >> Still, the migration takes awhile, so I'm fitting all this in while >> working >> on radios. >> >> Hopefully by next week all will be said and done. > > > Gary, you might want to downgrade the Earthlink account to a cheap > dialup account for a couple months and leave an automatic redirect link > at the old website till the search engines find your new website. I > have a javascript that should work, if you need it. > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Article: 333877 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: nospam4me@mytrashmail.com Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <3aT5g.4955$DT5.1005@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> Tim Mullen wrote: > In "Gary Tayman" writes: > Can't imagine this "Polyphone" was much of a success. I'll have to look > closer when I get home tonight and see if I can guess how close the reproducers > were and figure out the delay. Probably wasn't pretty. I bet the "Polyphone" would have rapidly worn out the records played with it too! -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Herb Oxley From: address IS Valid. Article: 333878 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: eBay feedback meaningless References: <1146868874.637827.46250@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 23:16:23 GMT It's not all that hopeless. The date that the seller has registered is helpful. I have been registered since Jan of 97 and have 932+ feedbacks with 0 negatives. I am sure I will get a - someday but do my best to avoid it. If you place a bid on an item with a seller with only a couple feedbacks and a month on Ebay you are taking a chance with your money. If it's a $10 item no big deal, a $1000 item is too big a risk in my opinion for example. Andy Evans wrote: > 3. You cannot leave meaningful feedback, as the alias will simply be > abandoned and another created if any unfavorable feedback arrives. >> > > this is very simplistic - most sellers carry on with their regular ebay > names to build up several hundred sales, even if this means 97% > feedback. Change your alias and you're back to zero sales. Buyers tend > to trust sellers with multiple sales so there's no free lunch here. > Article: 333879 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <3aT5g.4955$DT5.1005@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> In nospam4me@mytrashmail.com writes: >I bet the "Polyphone" would have rapidly worn out the records played with it >too! Hmm. No more than twice (!) as fast, I'd think. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333880 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: mike Subject: Re: eBay feedback meaningless References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 23:53:11 GMT Gene wrote: > Hi, All. > This may be old news to many of you, but it > was a revelation for me. eBay allows users to create > as many aliases as they want. There is no obvious connection > between aliases and they don't share feedback. The upshot of this is: > > 1. You cannot know who you are dealing with. > > 2. You cannot know the true history of anyone. > > 3. You cannot leave meaningful feedback, as the alias will simply be > abandoned > and another created if any unfavorable feedback arrives. > > I have been aware of eBay's history of protecting problem sellers, but > this is a wrinkle I didn't know about. > > Buyer beware! > -G > > Hi All I have a great solution to this problem. Pay with your Visa, Master card or AMEX through Paypal. Paypal with try and make you change that option back to your checking acoount, but I do it for anything purchased through e-bay. AMEX is always your best bet. If the seller screws you, all you do is call and dispute the charge through AMEX. Seller gets hit with a charge back and you loose no money. Simple, secure and easy. Amazing how quickly some trying to pull a fast one, sends the item or refunds all charges, including shipping when a sale is canceled this way. I had it happen to me when I purchases a tascam 32 from someone in San Diego. It arrived in a mess and the seller would not return e-mails or phone calls. One call was all it took to AMEX. I lost nothing and got to keep the unit as a parts unit for free. Thank you Mike Mueller Article: 333881 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: I done switched! Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:26:20 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-445BED2C-1145@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <445BEA0F.3CD20107@earthlink.net> I am still very much a computer dummy.However,for my Velocity Micro tower computer,I have Eudora. www.eudora.com cuhulin Article: 333882 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: Re: Phono idler needed Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 17:52:22 -0700 Message-ID: References: <445B3C05.2F6A6156@earthlink.net> I have one good condition phono idler sitting here, no idea what it fits - saved from some old TT I threw away - if anyone wants it for $6 including shipping, drop me a note - rubber is fine. contact me off list Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** Article: 333883 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:45:28 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-445BF1A8-1146@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Phonograph needles didn't last very long before they wore out. cuhulin Article: 333884 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: What Can We Learn From This Auction Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: <125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com> Pointed this out earlier, I hope one of you Ohio types got it. Had this been an 8 tube Zenith it would have gone got 5 times a much with half the tubes. It just goes to show looks and spin are 80% of value, and don't put high prices on your RCA/GE's because no one except a techie type wants one- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624533993 John H. Article: 333885 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 01:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146878154.574406.179370@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> In ishmole@earthlink.net writes: >On 5 May 2006 18:15:54 -0700, "Steven" wrote: >>I wanted a car the shade of those Tull tapes once... >That green is a typical 70's color. >I can't believe that was "in" once upon a time........... Ah, the 70's. A decade that not only managed to pick some of the worst colors in the universe, but combined them with brown for added effect. I grew up in that era. Probably why I have absolutely no interest in the electronics of my youth. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333886 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1146878154.574406.179370@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 02:06:08 GMT It's the color of Patrick Kennedy's car. Enough said. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:e3gttj$acr$1@reader1.panix.com... > In ishmole@earthlink.net > writes: > >>On 5 May 2006 18:15:54 -0700, "Steven" wrote: > >>>I wanted a car the shade of those Tull tapes once... >>That green is a typical 70's color. > >>I can't believe that was "in" once upon a time........... > > Ah, the 70's. A decade that not only managed to pick some > of the worst colors in the universe, but combined them with > brown for added effect. > > I grew up in that era. Probably why I have absolutely no > interest in the electronics of my youth. > > -- > Tim Mullen > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. > ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333887 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <1146792362.237251.123260@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Anyone want a Majestic 90 in Kutztown? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 02:23:45 GMT Your lucky! With used ones starting around $30 and Ebay and all most have been pulled on the sets Ive seen. In fact, about half the sets I get with pre Octals have ALL the tubes missing. Keith "Steven" wrote in message news:1146792362.237251.123260@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > I've never had one missing, and I've had maybe three chassis with one. > Maybe they're scarce on the east coast. > Article: 333888 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: What Can We Learn From This Auction Message-ID: <5QT6g.23677$ZQ3.19472@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 02:27:13 GMT Im hoping this stuff shows up at Kutztown too, and I spot it before John ;-) Keith "Hagstar" wrote in message news:125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com... > Pointed this out earlier, I hope one of you Ohio types got it. Had this > been an 8 tube Zenith it would have gone got 5 times a much with half the > tubes. It just goes to show looks and spin are 80% of value, and don't put > high prices on your RCA/GE's because no one except a techie type wants > one- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624533993 > > John H. > Article: 333889 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: What Can We Learn From This Auction Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:27:51 -0500 Message-ID: <445bfc23$0$29282$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com... > Pointed this out earlier, I hope one of you Ohio types got it. Had this > been an 8 tube Zenith it would have gone got 5 times a much with half the > tubes. It just goes to show looks and spin are 80% of value, and don't put > high prices on your RCA/GE's because no one except a techie type wants > one- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624533993 You weren't watching your own thread, Yonny. :-) It went to Tom Adkins on this list, who bought it because of your recommendation. I think the fact that he expressed interest scared everyone else on this list off of it. And simple bad luck on the seller's part; in a parallel universe this would have made triple digits. paul *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** Article: 333890 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" Subject: Restored Antique Radios & TV's FS (can bring to Kutztown!) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 02:29:03 GMT Restored Antique Radios & TV's FS http://members.aol.com/radiorest/main.htm Possible FREE delivery to the Kutztown PA Radio meet May 12th!!! I have just added several STUNNING sets including some Black dial Zeniths, some of the finest sets I've ever offered for sale!! Just be sure to click on the "Radios for sale icon" to view the sets! My Restorations are just what you're looking for if you want a set that looks and works as new. These are completely redone, not only part of the cabinet is refinished and another part left cobbled up, the entire unit is restored. These restorations are not simple "Recappings with a new power cord" I tend to every part of the chassis that needs attention, cleaning and relubing mechanical parts, rebuilding of dial assemblies, detailed refinishing or cleaning of knobs and bezels and any specific needs of a particular chassis. My sets are not "over restored", I don't rip every component and wire from the chassis and replace it just because its old, these sets are preserved in as much of their original state as possible to keep them reliable and safe. 27 years of doing antique radio restoration goes into knowing just what needs to be done and just how it should be done when I restore one. Thanks!! Keith Park Article: 333891 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 02:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146878154.574406.179370@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> In "Gary Tayman" writes: >It's the color of Patrick Kennedy's car. Enough said. If only it had been limited to use on a single car. If only. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333892 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 02:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146881274.134658.250980@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In <1146881274.134658.250980@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "CAINE" writes: >what a terrible waste of good Tull tapes- but that is kind of cool ! "Tull"?!! I thought we were talking about tulle. Mea culpa. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333893 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Fluke Voltmeter Problems? References: <1146882625.974920.198720@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 21:40:52 -0500 DumpsterDiver wrote: > On a recent trip to Brazil (Minas Gerais state) I encountered some > weird malfunctions with a Fluke DVM (Model 189). Anybody experienced > similar? Anybody have a clue as to how to avoid in the future? > > First, the Ohms function started acting up ... reading, typically, > around 65 to 100 megOhms with nothing connected between the leads, and > even with the leads removed from the meter. > > Next, refused to work altogether ... started reading "LEADS" rather > than any meaningful measurement when I turned it on. > > A quick shot of warm air directed at the front of the meter from the > Wife's hair dryer gun restored normal operation, but only temporarily. > Back in the States (New Jersey), no problem. Suspect something to do > with high humidity down there, but shouldn't the meter handle that with > no problem so long as the ambient is "non condensing"? The meter has > never been used in a marine or other salt air environment and was > recently returned from calibration / NIST certification by Fluke (I > called their tech service and they don't seem to have a clue beyond > "Send it in and we'll check it out ... $$$). > > Thanks for any help. > > > DD > I've seen various DVM's get screwy when the batteries get weak, but I'm not intimately familiar with your Fluke. Article: 333894 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 19:49:22 -0700 Message-ID: References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146842379.915777.236290@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146844958.398043.52930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146867496.279056.153690@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 15:18:16 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >Pete, > >That's a long stretch, over being proved wrong on an Akai M8 being SE, >not P-P. > >that's all it boils down to, because after that, you got hammered by >someone else who kept referencing the thread > >hey, you were the one that thought it was P-P, not me- so live with it See what happens when a Noodles ally finally wises up? Noodles gets vengeful! Article: 333895 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ? Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 19:50:55 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146849754.351698.17240@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146851527.370596.137900@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146867276.029929.136800@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 5 May 2006 15:14:36 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >a feeble attempt at being witty... That beats your perpetual state of being shitty. Noodles, you STINK! Go wash your ass! Article: 333896 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: eBay feedback meaningless Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 19:54:16 -0700 Message-ID: References: On 05 May 2006 17:56:25 EDT, "Gene" wrote: >Hi, All. > This may be old news to many of you, but it >was a revelation for me. eBay allows users to create >as many aliases as they want. There is no obvious connection >between aliases and they don't share feedback. The upshot of this is: > >1. You cannot know who you are dealing with. > >2. You cannot know the true history of anyone. > >3. You cannot leave meaningful feedback, as the alias will simply be >abandoned >and another created if any unfavorable feedback arrives. > >I have been aware of eBay's history of protecting problem sellers, but >this is a wrinkle I didn't know about. Noodles was doing it for awhile, before being busted for copyright theft that got the other of his eBay accounts shut down, "coolsitesandsounds." Look at his feedback..1217! One would think he's an OK seller, right? WRONG! He "buys" good feedback from disgruntled sellers to maintain a false aura of respectability, all the while carrying on his scams and frauds. Always look at "mutually withdrawn feedback"...one is TOO many. Also, retracted bids is a sure sign of a problem seller that's masquerading as a good one. Charlie Nudo, as "66fourdoor," is both. Article: 333897 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: George retiring Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 23:18:22 -0400 Message-ID: <125o5c0fknsf029@corp.supernews.com> References: g. beat <@ wrote: > Well George is retiring. > After 70 years in business (1936 - 2006) Better Audio & TV, Inc in Elmhurst, > IL (138 W Park Ave) will close on May 31, 2006 > > George is planning an auction of antique radios, parts and service / test > equipment shortly afterwards. > > Greg > > > > So tell us provincials...Who the heck is George? -Bill Article: 333898 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: What Can We Learn From This Auction Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 23:31:45 -0400 Message-ID: <125o654htoi7l14@corp.supernews.com> References: <125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com> <445bfc23$0$29282$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Paul Dietenberger wrote: > You weren't watching your own thread, Yonny. :-) It went to Tom Adkins on > this list, who bought it because of your recommendation. Its a good thing for Tom that I don't live within driving distance of Akron. He might not have that big smile on his face right now! -Bill Article: 333899 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com> <445bfc23$0$29282$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: What Can We Learn From This Auction Message-ID: <5aV6g.5998$jx1.262@newsfe22.lga> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:13:00 -0500 "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:445bfc23$0$29282$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > "Hagstar" wrote in message > news:125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com... > > Pointed this out earlier, I hope one of you Ohio types got it. Had this > > been an 8 tube Zenith it would have gone got 5 times a much with half the > > tubes. It just goes to show looks and spin are 80% of value, and don't put > > high prices on your RCA/GE's because no one except a techie type wants > > one- > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624533993 > > You weren't watching your own thread, Yonny. :-) It went to Tom Adkins on > this list, who bought it because of your recommendation. > > I think the fact that he expressed interest scared everyone else on this > list off of it. And simple bad luck on the seller's part; in a parallel > universe this would have made triple digits. > > paul Bet the white powder made a difference, too. I'd be interested to know what Tom finds it is... Nelson Article: 333900 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: Zenith 12S232 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 23:59:31 -0400 Message-ID: <125o7p5r2n25ob6@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146886911.578112.269230@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> harriscd.wa@netzero.com wrote: > Can anybody tell me what one is worth and how to sell it? > > Thanks > Dave H. > ebay. -Bill Article: 333901 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 22:20:52 -0600 From: hayseed Subject: Re: Fluke Voltmeter Problems? References: <1146882625.974920.198720@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <445c23ee$0$14922$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com> As a field service engineer, worked on a big semiconductor test system that failed low level leakage diagnostics. Measurement range was 1nanoamp and would fail about 3 -4 times a day, then pass. The test system was located in a climate controlled room in the middle of a large non-air conditioned factory on the eastern seaboard. Temps and humidity were both around 100. Problem turned out to be a bad air-conditioning system that was allowing the room's humidity to climb above 70% causing the test system to measure the leakage across its PC boards in addition to the device under test. Took a while to find that problem. Article: 333902 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Herbert Morrison, May 6, 1937: "It's burst into flames, and Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:32:44 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-445C26EC-1163@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146887858.915841.59460@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Something I once read that said something caused the Blimp's fabric (or whatever they used to treat the fabric with) to catch fire and that caused the explosion. cuhulin Article: 333903 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-445C2A39-1165@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Avocado kitchen appliances and Avocado washing and drying machines used to be one of the ''in'' colors too.I was watching a movie on tv yesterday and one of the tv commercials was about a new Sears top loading washing machine that has a big window in the lid.Why the heck would anybody want to buy something like that? cuhulin Article: 333904 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Hallicrafters SX-62 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 21:37:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: Eric Belanger wrote: > Hello Group, > > I need the schematic for an HALLICRAFTERS SX-62. The one on Nostalgia Air > (Riders Volume 20 - HALLICRAFTERS 20-41) is not very readable. I'm having > trouble in the AM section and can not follw the schematic and read > components values... > http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/hallicra/sx62/ -Scott -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Article: 333905 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 22:16:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <9730-445C2A39-1165@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> On Fri, 5 May 2006 23:46:49 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: >Avocado kitchen appliances and Avocado washing and drying machines used >to be one of the ''in'' colors too.I was watching a movie on tv >yesterday and one of the tv commercials was about a new Sears top >loading washing machine that has a big window in the lid.Why the heck >would anybody want to buy something like that? Front loaders will soon be the standard, as they have been in Europe for years now, and they generally all have windows. Top loaders are wasteful of both water and power. Why one would have a window is beyond me. Front loaders have windows to alert the user when the tub has water in it. Water conservation is becoming a very serious issue, and not just out here, either. Seems like half of Flori-DUH is on fire right now due to drought, and the long range predictions show that the south will start to dry out alarmingly over the next few decades, courtesy of climatic change. Due to a drier climate and a rising sea level due to ice mass melting, a good chunk of Flori-DUH will sink below sea level sooner than most people think. No great loss there, although it'll be a navigational hazard. Maybe they can poof it up a bit with Jeb Bush's fat head. I ran a Westinghouse front loader for years and saved acre-feet a year of water over the usual Sears/Whirlpool top loader. I now have a Whirlpool front loader and it's even better, both at saving water and power and at cleaning clothes. Top loaders are a thing of the past. Article: 333906 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 00:47:07 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-445C385B-1168@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146893660.211886.302920@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> I think the website the tv commercial gave out was www.sears.com/oasis It was definetly a Sears top loading washing machine with a big window in the lid that pretty woman was standing by with the lid up,and then she was loweed the lid down on that new Sears top loading washing machine.(with the big window in the lid) It has to be true,because I saw her (oooops,washing machine) on tv.It was sort of a brown color washing machine with that window in the lid. cuhulin Article: 333907 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: I posted a cool magazine cover from 1953 on the binaries. Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 00:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-445C3926-1170@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146893344.494709.155600@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Accessing them binaries is old hat for webtv.Name the binary,and I can most likely access it.Dont name any porn binaries because I wont go there. cuhulin Article: 333908 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Powers" References: <8c9l525d4o206dgombsmd53vju31aqd12h@4ax.com> Subject: Re: The "original" Fisher 500 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 06:10:32 GMT I have one of these... really nice sounding set. I just finished recapping it about a month ago. I even have the mahagony, or is it walnut, cabinet for it. I did not enjoy dropping the bucks on the two multisection caps it needed, but it was fun. JP "DeserTBoB" wrote in message news:8c9l525d4o206dgombsmd53vju31aqd12h@4ax.com... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9719295070&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX > > Here's yet another mono, early '50s (1954, was it?) Fisher 500 > receiver, sans tubes. At least this seller's somewhat honest, unlike > Charlie Nudo, who advertises his 500C door stop as "mint." Article: 333909 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Powers" References: <1146878154.574406.179370@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146882566.398471.316960@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 06:25:21 GMT Wow, that's great. I have an SX-1050 that I use in my garage and I've owned both a 74 Scamp with a slant six and a 73 Duster with a V8. JP "Steven" wrote in message news:1146882566.398471.316960@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > Good. More for me. I'll be 40 in June, and my SX-1500T is on it's way > home from repairs. I still shudder from the sight of pieces of a 1972 > 340 Duster in Lime Green littered from one end to the other of a parts > yard not once, but three times that year as I looked for parts for my > '72 Duster Twister (Forest Green, Slant Six). It's sad to see your > dream car as somebodies' wreck and know you'll never get one. > Article: 333910 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 02:57:52 -0500 Message-ID: <6116-445C5700-239@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: When I was in the Army at Fort Hood,Texas (22nd Chemical Company) in 1965,I came home on one of them three day leaves thingys.I saw an ad in my local hometown newspaper about a 1963 VW beetle car (green color VW) for sale for $1,100.00.The guy who had the car for sale lived about two miles from me.I went over there and I paid him $1,100.00 cash money new nited states American Dollars (do y'all really know why America is in the middle East? I know,,, do y'all? there are several other reasons) Now,I done forgot what my point of biew was.I better hit the sack.As I told them two divorced wimmins next door to me about an hour ago and my little doggy and I stepped next door and I hollered up through their kitchen window,,,,, y'all,go to bed,its late. cuhulin Article: 333911 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 03:05:06 -0500 Message-ID: <6115-445C58B2-1118@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146898852.906105.217230@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Oh,now I remember.Me and my 1963 VW car were sitting at a red light at the intersection of Rose Street and Robinson Street and a jerk cut too short around that corner and pranged the right front fender and front hood area of my poor old VW car.My insurance paid to get it all repaired.The lonaner car the auto body shop loaned me was an old Plymouth Valiant slant six engine car.That old Valiant slant six was a great running car. cuhulin Article: 333912 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: I posted a cool magazine cover from 1953 on the binaries. Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 03:10:46 -0500 Message-ID: <6115-445C5A06-1119@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146896524.956606.49650@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Webtv does some things computers can't do (dont forget now,I also own and use my Velocity Micro ProMagix tower computer www.velocitymicro.com) and computers do many things Webtv is impossible to do.I have the best (or worst,depending on how y'all want to look at it) of both Worlds. cuhulin Article: 333913 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ? Message-ID: <86po52p97a020f7is9kebp43qdavdghocm@4ax.com> References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146849754.351698.17240@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146851527.370596.137900@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146867276.029929.136800@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146885647.008652.66640@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 04:57:00 -0400 On 5 May 2006 20:20:47 -0700, "Steven" wrote: >I have an Onkyo, a JVC and a Philips > >Please don't bother me with older crap than I've got... > >Unless it has shortwave. > >(and three Pioneers and a Technics) >(2 Lafayettes and a Sansui A-80) >(a Scott RS1000 in need of repairs but then, WHAT DOESN'T)? > >(retarded troll howling ignored) Sanford and son.... It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333914 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: eBay feedback meaningless Message-ID: <7epo5219nqtp5odhjcfpfek3jn5qai6mos@4ax.com> References: <1146879480.407527.190430@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 05:01:15 -0400 On 5 May 2006 18:38:00 -0700, "Steven" wrote: >Gene is a regular FA poster who rarely gets a response. >Andy frequents music-related groups, but this could be his first trip >into RAR+P (via R.A.T)? >Mike is just stupid. > >I smell a troll. Let's see what crossposting we get... That's your unerarms that you smell. It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333915 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: ATTENTION OHIO CONSOLE RESCUE PERSONNEL Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:32:53 -0400 Message-ID: <125p9c9eglrv2e2@corp.supernews.com> References: <124tfrrpn5uss08@corp.supernews.com> <4456840c$0$26450$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <_lP5g.712711$084.391672@attbi_s22> <5K6dnWA7ktkaPcTZRVn-iA@comcast.com> Okay I found the thread :) Excellent! john H. Article: 333916 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: What Can We Learn From This Auction Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: <125p9k53s4gtm13@corp.supernews.com> References: <125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com> <445bfc23$0$29282$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:445bfc23$0$29282$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > > You weren't watching your own thread, Yonny. :-) It went to Tom Adkins on > this list, who bought it because of your recommendation. > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** I often miss posts to older threads now using Outlook because I can't seem to get it to display posts purely by time posted. It defaults to a tree structure which leaves everything sorted based on the date the thread started not the current posts. AOL's Spyscape doesn't even come with a reader anymore, I may have to go back to the Netscape 4 version. John H. Article: 333917 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: What Can We Learn From This Auction Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:38:59 -0400 Message-ID: <125p9nn3j0jmt32@corp.supernews.com> References: <125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com> <445bfc23$0$29282$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Had I lived in Buffalo, say, I would have bid $90- anyway, instead I posted here so the discovery wouldn't be wasted on a fish tank or bar builder. John H. Article: 333918 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 06:55:01 -0700 Message-ID: <2fap52dv67l59irdfcascn53drour7atip@4ax.com> References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146842379.915777.236290@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146844958.398043.52930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <_7N6g.4477$ix6.346843@news20.bellglobal.com> <1146858226.227527.63220@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1146909694.417587.319160@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 6 May 2006 03:01:34 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >Peter, > >any idiot can make a post complicated to read... > >it takes a real genius to simplify a post, and make is easy to read > >get it ? Translation: Charlie Nudo is an uneducated, room temperature IQ lout. Proper syntax and a more than monosyllabic vocabulary confuse him no end. Thus, anyone who writes with a degree of style and proper usage is trying to confuse him, in his limited mind. That neatly exposes why he gets his "news" from other fat headed louts like Flush Limpdick, Bill "The Pervert" O'Reilly and other liars. Article: 333919 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The "original" Fisher 500 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 06:58:29 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8c9l525d4o206dgombsmd53vju31aqd12h@4ax.com> On Sat, 06 May 2006 06:10:32 GMT, "John Powers" wrote: >I have one of these... really nice sounding set. I just finished recapping >it about a month ago. I even have the mahagony, or is it walnut, cabinet for >it. I did not enjoy dropping the bucks on the two multisection caps it >needed, but it was fun. I cannot recollect at ths time, but I seem to remember a similar tuner-preamp of the same era was was usually paired with the WX-80 5881-based power amp on the "loaf of bread" chassis. Also very nice sounding, especially for its time, around 1950. Most original applications of this duo were usually paired with an Altec 604 based bass reflex speaker and a Garrard changer or possible an early Thorens with a GE cartridge. Article: 333920 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ? Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 07:00:06 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146849754.351698.17240@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146851527.370596.137900@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146867276.029929.136800@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146885647.008652.66640@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146909445.099637.93220@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> On 6 May 2006 02:57:25 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >Anyone ever heard of a Bradford ? BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! W.T. Grant's house brand, used on everything from boom boxes to window fans. Also the "Bradford House" "restaurant." Article: 333921 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fluke Voltmeter Problems? Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 07:07:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146882567.967198.167050@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146909601.854012.233350@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On 6 May 2006 03:00:01 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >I have a Fluke Improper usage, Noodles...you ARE a fluke, not "have a Fluke." Fluke test gear over the years has been quirky for me. I had a Fluke 6060A/AN AM/FM generator that was particularly onerous, and had a propensity to go insane right in the middle of an alignment. I particularly didn't like an FM MPX signal fed into its mod in jack. Things would go swimmingly for awhile, then a "fail" code would appear, I'd have to power down, boot it back up, and no trace of trouble would reappear. Repeated trips to Fluke's depot never found a problem. I've had a Fluke 6006A DVM, however, that for unknown reasons maintains secondary standard voltage accuracy between calibration periods with ease. Even Fluke cannot believe it. Article: 333922 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Hickok meter or equiv. needed Message-ID: <5z27g.17776$ZW3.8737@dukeread04> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 10:39:55 -0400 To buy, for a 533A, 600A or 800A tube tester. Or a 500 micro amp meter close to the same size, approx 5" X 5". Ken Article: 333923 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ? Message-ID: <0rep52deg7c4acsr5phq7dec3qlusmttbm@4ax.com> References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146849754.351698.17240@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146851527.370596.137900@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146867276.029929.136800@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146885647.008652.66640@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <86po52p97a020f7is9kebp43qdavdghocm@4ax.com> <1146909175.571934.300540@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 11:06:33 -0400 On 6 May 2006 02:52:55 -0700, "Steven" wrote: >Redd Foxx is dead, Demond Wilson a preacher. > >Yawn. You must have been tamed by a woman. I know. You have all their crap. It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333924 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: eBay feedback meaningless Message-ID: <8tep52ljqs4q37em8mkeq815p33trifj78@4ax.com> References: <1146879480.407527.190430@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <7epo5219nqtp5odhjcfpfek3jn5qai6mos@4ax.com> <1146909050.877910.64110@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 11:07:58 -0400 On 6 May 2006 02:50:50 -0700, "Steven" wrote: > >Beerbarrel wrote: >> On 5 May 2006 18:38:00 -0700, "Steven" wrote: >> >> >Gene is a regular FA poster who rarely gets a response. >> >Andy frequents music-related groups, but this could be his first trip >> >into RAR+P (via R.A.T)? >> >Mike is just stupid. >> > >> >I smell a troll. Let's see what crossposting we get... >> >> >> That's your unerarms that you smell. >> >> It's Christianity vs. Islam. Let's get this party started! > >I don't have any unerarms? Maybe it's Mary's crotch then. It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333925 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Sony Earth Orbiter CRF-5100 need power cord help Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:35:01 -0600 Message-ID: <22127-445CC225-409@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146922624.864109.14700@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Sony used that cord on many of there small tv sets . here should be plenty of extras Article: 333926 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Westinghouse model 503 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 16:46:05 GMT Bought one of these at an auto swap meet last night for $15. Missing the knobs, but all the guts are there. It's basically an octal-tube AA5 with a bandspread 25m SW band added. Nearly all the finish on the wood cabinet is gone. I figure the best repair is to completely strip it and re-stain and re-laquer. Comments, anyone? Is there a source for repro decals and knobs? This set uses two concentric knobs on each side; volume/tone on the left, and tuning/bandswitch on the right. I'm pretty certain the shaft diameters/stem depths vary from side to side, too. It'll go on the shelf for now, until the round tuit supply improves. :>) Gordon Richmond Article: 333927 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!! Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 10:58:06 -0700 Message-ID: <4sop52pu9n18p6keo6nnt9cl91dpb5cq05@4ax.com> References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146926064.049071.291940@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On 6 May 2006 07:34:24 -0700, "CAINE" wrote: >ps- you are totally mistaken here- on a hunch I checked the "fisher >handbook" c. 1962 that I got with this amp > >directly from the handbook, per AVERY FISHER > >"The Fisher 800-c- this superb receiver is IDENTICAL (emphasis added) Emphasis is italics...dimbulb. >to the 500-c as described on page 37, except that it (the 800c) >includes, in addition, a high performance AM tuner section" > >It then goes on to list specs- total power, distortion, RMS, freq. >response, hum & noise, channel sep., bass/treble controls, input >sense., phono high, tape head inputs, and entire FM tuning section is >IDENTICAL > >repeat- I- DENTICAL > >same exact parts- Tuner is different to accommodate an AM section...bastardu. Article: 333928 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ? Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 10:58:56 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146849754.351698.17240@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146851527.370596.137900@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146867276.029929.136800@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146885647.008652.66640@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <86po52p97a020f7is9kebp43qdavdghocm@4ax.com> <1146909175.571934.300540@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <0rep52deg7c4acsr5phq7dec3qlusmttbm@4ax.com> On Sat, 06 May 2006 11:06:33 -0400, Beerbarrel wrote: >It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Let's destroy both and free the world from stupidity! Article: 333929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: WTB: Accuphase T-100 line-up and schemo Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 11:02:56 -0700 Message-ID: My photocopied T-100 manual hasn't withstood the test of time! The xerographed pages managed to shed a lot of their toner, leaving me with basically a puzzle. I had set up to do the "grand alignment" of this mighty tuner, only to find the chart unreadable. Anyone have a copy of this manual for sale? They seem tough to find, even back when the Accuphase was a scant ten years old. Article: 333930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ? References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 18:39:47 GMT CAINE wrote: > I've been comparing push pull to single ended designs now, for over 2 > years, I've yet to find a push pull that is better. > > what gives ? > Single ended amps tend to have more 2nd harmonic distortion, which, in small amounts (say 40dB down) can sound pleasant. Also single ended amps are rather inefficient in terms of input power to output power. Push pull amps can be more power efficient, but can suffer more 3rd harmonic distortion products. The second harmonic products will cancel out inside the amp. Problem is that the 3rd harmonic sounds really bad, about 10dB worse sounding than an equal amount of 2nd harmonic. Again, at levels around 40 dB down. Negative feedback loops reduce total distortion, but, as whatever caused the distortion in the first place will also distort the error correction. This will produce small amounts of higher order harmonics, some of which can sound really bad. This may be why some audiophiles or audiophools disdain negative feed back.... Article: 333931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Al Z." References: Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 16:13:47 -0400 Message-ID: <445ce898$0$29324$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> I'd still rather have a Leg Lamp! "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:moSdnQeFyJZGcsbZRVn-pQ@giganews.com... > http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=85522.0 > > Phil Nelson > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** Article: 333932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "g. beat" <@> References: <125o5c0fknsf029@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: George retiring Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 14:36:56 -0500 Message-ID: "- exray -" wrote in message news:125o5c0fknsf029@corp.supernews.com... > > So tell us provincials...Who the heck is George? > Past officer and volunteer member of ARCI http://www.antique-radios.org/index.htm Their next meet is June 6, 2006 at DuPage Country Fairgrounds, in conjunction with the 6-Meter Club of Wheaton gb Article: 333933 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 14:43:13 -0500 Message-ID: <7227-445CFC51-314@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <445ce898$0$29324$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> I want one of those old radio lamps,or lamp radios,whatever they are called. cuhulin Article: 333934 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Stone" References: <125nuik9s5m81f3@corp.supernews.com> <1146880632.185534.118910@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What Can We Learn From This Auction Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 19:55:07 GMT We have also learned it has been a damned > poor market to sell much of anything on eBay, yet new consumer sales > figures show Americans went and bought NEW goods (exc. automobiles) at > I've bought a good amount of stuff off eBay the last few months. A replacement electroluminescent display light for the LCD in my Pro-2005 scanner, lawn mower parts, lionel train parts, a radiator for one of my cars. Maybe stuff that people don't have a need for isn't selling like it used to ? Article: 333935 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Large Panel Meters Message-ID: <5M77g.17783$ZW3.5264@dukeread04> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 16:35:06 -0400 Does anyone know any electronics suppliers that sell large panel meters, around 5" X 5"? Ken Article: 333936 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Scott Phantom Switch/ Ping Scott Harvey/ Scott Experts Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:05:41 -0400 Message-ID: <125q3tarlfpoo64@corp.supernews.com> I'll be soon finishing up replacing what turned out to be almost SIXTY paper caps in my Scott Phantom AM/FM. I gave up the idea of restuffing them early on as it's been quite grueling enough anyway. However the power switch (typical piggybacked control with 500K volume pot) is broken (no continuity despite cleaning). I have another loose Scott one, but it's funny how the same switch is quite broken on my parts chassis too. SO- what would you do- put a power relay in the power amp chassis or replace the entire Scott control with a sturdier one? The OEM switch is rated 3 amp and UL listed but it's clearly not up to snuff. Or can it be "soft started" somehow? I have great volume and sensitivity on shortwave now but low sensitivity and volume on AM (no FM yet- haven't recapped that section quite fully, plus it's old FM). Of course I suspect stage RF alignment issues. I will post pictures tonight of the replaced caps under the really tight areas beneath the bandswitch that Scott mentioned. ALSO, I'm taking a long time figuring out the trimmer screws- and Rider's isn't helpful for such. If anyone knows which ones are which I'd appreciate it! I'm pretty sure which are the FM trimmers, but the others are confusing- thanks! John H. Article: 333937 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <1146726610.381073.16430@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6dpj52h5ljqb4gvjsl0tfhu3u2aors7q5f@4ax.com> <1146782184.968932.251830@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146790366.277617.211860@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146799981.413094.210360@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: NASA has recently answered to the prediction of a mega tsunami Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:25:44 GMT Think of it as an opportunity. You could sell "Glacier-chilled cryogenic tubes" then. Ray "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1146799981.413094.210360@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >I stopped counting all the fake end of the world / disaster prophecies > a long time ago. I live in the Mile-Hi city so it would take a heck of > a tsunami to reach me. Same for melting polar icecaps. I could be at > risk for glaciers if another Ice-age happened, however. > Article: 333938 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "J. Severyn" References: <5M77g.17783$ZW3.5264@dukeread04> Subject: Re: Large Panel Meters Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 14:37:52 -0700 Message-ID: 4 1/2 inch analog meters are available from many sources. Mouser carries 4 1/2 square Simpson meters http://www.mouser.com/catalog/626/1626.pdf Both Mouser and Allied carries the Jewell rectangular units which are 3.96 x 5.1 inches http://www.alliedelec.com/catalog/pf.asp?FN=1051.pdf But I could not find a real 5x5 although I only looked for about 5 minutes. Regards, John Severyn "Ken" wrote in message news:5M77g.17783$ZW3.5264@dukeread04... > Does anyone know any electronics suppliers that sell large panel meters, > around 5" X 5"? Ken > Article: 333939 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: eBay feedback meaningless Message-ID: <6l7q52t1tistnashpki3kdrmlfcgfcar3p@4ax.com> References: <1146879480.407527.190430@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <7epo5219nqtp5odhjcfpfek3jn5qai6mos@4ax.com> <1146909050.877910.64110@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <8tep52ljqs4q37em8mkeq815p33trifj78@4ax.com> <1146952578.321513.27360@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 18:10:07 -0400 On 6 May 2006 14:56:18 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" wrote: > >Beerbarrel wrote >> >> >> >> It's Christianity vs. Islam. Let's get this party started! > > > IOW you want a lot of people to die over one of two fictional deities? It's them or us.....I'd rather it be them. It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333940 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ? Message-ID: References: <1146849754.351698.17240@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146851527.370596.137900@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146867276.029929.136800@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146885647.008652.66640@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <86po52p97a020f7is9kebp43qdavdghocm@4ax.com> <1146909175.571934.300540@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <0rep52deg7c4acsr5phq7dec3qlusmttbm@4ax.com> Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 18:12:12 -0400 On Sat, 06 May 2006 10:58:56 -0700, DeserTBoB wrote: >On Sat, 06 May 2006 11:06:33 -0400, Beerbarrel >wrote: > >>It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! > >Let's destroy both and free the world from stupidity! If we really wanted to get rid of stupidity we would all put you in a kill file with you butt buddy Charlie Nudo. It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started! Article: 333941 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Large Panel Meters References: <5M77g.17783$ZW3.5264@dukeread04> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 20:15:33 -0400 Thanks. Weow, those prices are wild. I guess meters are not in anymore. Ken J. Severyn wrote: > 4 1/2 inch analog meters are available from many sources. Mouser carries 4 > 1/2 square Simpson meters > http://www.mouser.com/catalog/626/1626.pdf > > Both Mouser and Allied carries the Jewell rectangular units which are 3.96 x > 5.1 inches > http://www.alliedelec.com/catalog/pf.asp?FN=1051.pdf > > But I could not find a real 5x5 although I only looked for about 5 minutes. > > Regards, > John Severyn > > "Ken" wrote in message > news:5M77g.17783$ZW3.5264@dukeread04... > >>Does anyone know any electronics suppliers that sell large panel meters, >>around 5" X 5"? Ken >> > > > Article: 333942 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <1146616317.918752.172890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <3mb6g.20948$ZQ3.8222@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1146946626.658181.64660@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: European tubes at Kutztown May13 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 00:38:57 GMT Thanks for looking! let me know if one turns up but if it doesnt I would be interested in a dud to rebase a tube into... The Minerva is the only european set I have and its tubes are the only euro tubes I have. Thanks, Keith "Jiri Placek" wrote in message news:1146946626.658181.64660@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Keith- > > I have not found any CY1 so far, only boxes of VY1 that is the same > based tube but with 55 V / 50 mA heater. CY1 (C=200 mA) has a 20 V > filament so you could perhaps substitute it with US tubes - GE Tube > Manual lists 26Z5 (26V / 200 mA or 28Z5 (28 V / 240 mA). An extra > resistance would be helpful given todays higher power line voltages. > Notice that C-tubes were used in AC/DC or other transformerless radios > so you need to maintan voltage drops across the heater filaments > string. > > I can provide you a dud if you do not have an 8 side-contact base. A > SS option would be a 100 Ohm / 5W resistor instead of the heater plus a > silicone diode with 200 Ohm / 5W resistor in series. > > Jiri Placek > Boyertown, PA > Article: 333943 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" Subject: Need a Porthole chassis and Kutztown? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 00:41:52 GMT I have a 12" Porthole chassis, 1950 G version no pix tube but otherwise complete that I could bring. Its from a combo cabinet LMK Keith Article: 333944 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: European tubes at Kutztown May13 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:29:12 -0400 Message-ID: <125qjbb6qkuqi78@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146616317.918752.172890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <3mb6g.20948$ZQ3.8222@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1146946626.658181.64660@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Keith Park wrote: > Thanks for looking! let me know if one turns up but if it doesnt I would be > interested in a > dud to rebase a tube into... The Minerva is the only european set I have > and its tubes are the only euro tubes I have. If you can't find one let me know. I can spare one. -Bill Article: 333945 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck References: <9730-445C2A39-1165@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 01:36:22 GMT cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Avocado kitchen appliances and Avocado washing and drying machines used > to be one of the ''in'' colors too. Last time they did major work on our local town library they installed in the basement a kitchen with all the appliances and cabinets in avocado green. This was in 1969. This library is to close next week for remodeling, don't know if they are going to redo that kitchen, as it is in good condition. Article: 333946 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Philco 16B escutcheon Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 20:22:38 -0600 Message-ID: <25525-445D59EE-1885@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> I cant find the old thread under stevens 1500 posts :-) More info . My radio is a big deco pointed top tombstone 11 tubes . Its 4 band and takes the plastic escutcheon . I still need one please . And question . mine has 2 knob tuning instead of one i see in every picture . Why ? Thanks Article: 333947 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Old Radios Subject: Where to get jensen speakers reconed? Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:57:42 -0500 Message-ID: I have a 12" and an 8" Jensen that need reconing. Anyone know where I can have these done? Or, would anyone have either of these for sale? Thanks. Mark. Article: 333948 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <5M77g.17783$ZW3.5264@dukeread04> Subject: Re: Large Panel Meters Message-ID: <4me7g.16201$P65.14771@southeast.rr.com> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 04:05:20 GMT Ken wrote in message news:M_a7g.17786$ZW3.12015@dukeread04... > Thanks. Weow, those prices are wild. I guess meters are not in anymore. Ken Ken, I'd suggest you search hamfests for your meters. I needed some for work and when the boss found out they were more than a C note each he killed the project. I found just what I needed at a hamfest for less than $10 each. Ron Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com Article: 333949 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Large Panel Meters References: <5M77g.17783$ZW3.5264@dukeread04> <4me7g.16201$P65.14771@southeast.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 06:07:00 -0400 I'll do that, Ron. Can't believe those prices. At those rates, I must have several thousand bucks in spare meters, but not the one I need. Be on the lookout for a 500 ua 5 X 5" one. Ken Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > Ken wrote in message > news:M_a7g.17786$ZW3.12015@dukeread04... > >>Thanks. Weow, those prices are wild. I guess meters are not in anymore. > > Ken > > > Ken, I'd suggest you search hamfests for your meters. > I needed some for work and when the boss found out they > were more than a C note each he killed the project. > I found just what I needed at a hamfest for less than $10 each. > > Ron > > Radio Collection Web Page, > http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com > > >