Article: 333950 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Message-ID: <mhur52919hlo73e0824n8ot6sc00ne4ntg@4ax.com>
References: <25525-445D59EE-1885@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <1146991209.719376.271190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 09:47:11 -0400

On 7 May 2006 01:40:09 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:

>
>Ken G. wrote:
>> I cant find the old thread under stevens 1500 posts :-)
>>
>> More info . My radio is a big deco pointed top tombstone 11 tubes . Its
>> 4 band and takes the plastic escutcheon . I still need one please .
>>
>> And question . mine has 2 knob tuning instead of one i see in every
>> picture . Why ?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>This one?
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/browse_thread/thread/19f811862809b267/6c2ec1246c1d1427?hl=en#6c2ec1246c1d1427


He does post a bunch of nonsense does he not? He has to be on some
sort of medication.

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 333951 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!!
Message-ID: <5lvr52tdv88849hskbaoj7ts2p7snkp77f@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 10:05:59 -0400

On Thu, 4 May 2006 11:02:33 -0700, "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net>
wrote:

>http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?vintelec&1151948685
>
>... for $500.00 or $600.00 ???
>
>.... I think all that helped him should send him a bill .....
>
>
>


That is a nice receiver. Too bad I just like boatanchors.

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 333952 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 07:45:10 -0700
Message-ID: <1t1s521invbdoautusuunhi44qqfba9pua@4ax.com>
References: <e3h22k$jl3$2@reader1.panix.com> <9730-445C2A39-1165@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <qac7g.102$t32.33@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <4IOdndsJrdnvEcDZRVn-sw@comcast.com>

On Sun, 07 May 2006 02:03:58 -0400, Tom Adkins
<newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote:

>  As of about 1999, my ex-inlaws bought a house that had an Avacado Green kitchen with 
>the dark wood trim so fashionable in the 70's. All original and working great.... 
>Yeeeccchhhh. Also had a "whole house vacuum system" plumbed into the home(Sears)along 
>with a "whole house TV antenna system" jacked into every wall(also from Sears). I 
>still say they should have sucked the whole thing into the vacuum system and watched 
>the fireworks as all that crap disintegrated, then started from scratch. The entire 
>house was 70's ick as far as it could go. <snip>

Actually, the "avocado and orange" craze started around 1967 and
lasted into the early '70s.  Tastes change, that's for sure.  20 years
>from now, that '70s kitchen will be "chic."


Article: 333953 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <e3jnnt$dud$1@news.doit.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Where to get jensen speakers reconed?
Message-ID: <JLn7g.3951$k%2.3931@trnddc03>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 14:47:05 GMT

I don't know if this question requires an easy or complex answer.

Generally it seems every metropolitan area has at least one dealer that 
offers speaker reconing -- if you can't find one in your phone book, check 
with your nearest music store (i. e. Sam Ash, Thoroughbred, or independent) 
and see who they might recommend.

If this answer is too simple, meaning there's something special/unique about 
your Jensen speakers that I don't know about, then I would ask the same 
speaker reconers what they recommend.  Quite often they can find the 
replacement parts you need in a catalog, or they may offer a better quality 
driver to replace your original with similar crossover specs.

In my recent case with Peavey speakers, a local rebuilder told me the 
original Peavey drivers simply aren't worth fiddling with.  He offered a 
much better quality drop-in replacement, and along with some cabinet 
reinforcing (another big Peavey flaw), handed me back a speaker set far 
better than what the Peavey was when new (and I've been using them and they 
sound great!)



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Old Radios" <mjmalin@wiscNOSPAM.edu> wrote in message 
news:e3jnnt$dud$1@news.doit.wisc.edu...
>I have a 12" and an 8" Jensen that need reconing.  Anyone know where I can 
>have these done?  Or, would anyone have either of these for sale?
>
> Thanks.
> Mark.
> 




Article: 333954 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Where to get jensen speakers reconed?
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 07:48:03 -0700
Message-ID: <q12s52tjrc87e4ra4heu92kql7asshterg@4ax.com>
References: <e3jnnt$dud$1@news.doit.wisc.edu>

On Sat, 06 May 2006 21:57:42 -0500, Old Radios
<mjmalin@wiscNOSPAM.edu> wrote:

>I have a 12" and an 8" Jensen that need reconing.  Anyone know where I 
>can have these done?  Or, would anyone have either of these for sale? <snip>

Weber/SVT has cone kits available for a lot of popular (meaning
gee-tawr amp application, mostly) pressed metal Jensen P and C series
speakers.  They also offer magnet slug remagnetizing services.

Damned if I can remember the site, but I'm sure you can find it.  I
bought a bunch of their cone kits and did a raft of P12-Ns a few years
ago.  They were better quality than OEM.


Article: 333955 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!!
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 07:52:00 -0700
Message-ID: <t82s52hhr7opq4q42tedi3oia52kvnp381@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <X86dnTwAX_ouC8fZ4p2dnA@giganews.com> <1146926064.049071.291940@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <4sop52pu9n18p6keo6nnt9cl91dpb5cq05@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0705060003190001@216-80-74-176.d.enteract.com>

On Sun, 07 May 2006 00:03:19 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>And the differences probably don't make the 800-C better on FM. <snip>

Exactly.  They both had the same rated sensitivity, 2 µV on FM,
considered excellent in the tube days.  In the FET days, 1.7 µV was
considered "normal."   I remember the 800C's AM section was quite
good.


Article: 333956 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!!
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 07:52:55 -0700
Message-ID: <7d2s52122k4l59trhstgspeeuhvgqd4g1o@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <X86dnTwAX_ouC8fZ4p2dnA@giganews.com> <1146926064.049071.291940@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <4sop52pu9n18p6keo6nnt9cl91dpb5cq05@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0705060003190001@216-80-74-176.d.enteract.com> <1146995588.537334.264670@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 7 May 2006 02:53:08 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>wow- awesome HH Scott webpage you have, John.  Good work ! <snip>

Great...now the rag picker's going to be looking for Scott units to
ravage and flog on the Net.


Article: 333957 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <445E0D30.C4F6C25D@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: mail from Phil's Vintage Radios
References: <tdydnfwdpqyuccDZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 15:08:35 GMT

William Sommerwerck wrote:
> 
> I received two e-mails from Phil's Vintage Radios this morning. Both looked
> legit, but Symantic Anti-Virus marked them as virus-laden and removed the
> images!
> 
> I don't know what's going on. Any idea?


   Where have you been for the last three or four years?  The SWEN virus
finds valid E-mail addresses on USENET and spreads itself by sending
itself to others in the same group, hoping that it will be opened
because the name is recognized.  Don't remember the virus E-mail flood
back then?  I was getting up to 3000 infected E-mails an hour for about
a week.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333958 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nobody@cypherpunks.to>
Subject: catalin
Message-ID: <20060507154535.3947517119@mail.cypherpunks.to>
Date: Sun,  7 May 2006 17:45:35 +0200 (CEST)




Article: 333959 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca>
Subject: catalin
Message-ID: <d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e@deuxpi.ca>
Date: Sun,  7 May 2006 11:51:51 -0400 (EDT)




Article: 333960 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 09:57:21 -0600
Message-ID: <20607-445E18E1-1895@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1147014456.815812.272020@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Thanks for those pictures . I can now see what knobs i am mising too . I
will keep trying for the escutcheon from time to time .  



Article: 333961 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: The posessed radio, final outcome
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 10:16:18 -0600
Message-ID: <20607-445E1D52-1900@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1146973898.894683.60420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Glad you got it .... Try restoring a jukebox , talk about multiple
problems .



Article: 333962 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: New date, time, and location for NWVRS swapmeet
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 10:13:41 -0600
Message-ID: <20607-445E1CB5-1899@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net>
References: <194r52133385c6oinnkntn6p0fahj20rai@4ax.com>

I lived 5 miles away from Aurora all my childhood . It is on Hiway 99E
You can get there off i-5 or take the Canby OR City exit off i-205  ,
drive aprox 12 miles on 99E through Oregon City , through Canby then
into Aurora The drive is beautifull .  

Aurora has enough antique shops quaint `eats` and coffee shop to keep
you bussy pretty much all afternoon , no need to drive you can walk to
all of them right from the Legion Hall I have done it many times .
What a great place for the meet !! Wish i was closer .  



Article: 333963 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
Subject: DON'T FORGET> The NEW date is Saturday May 20th.
Message-ID: <rbq7g.28744$Sa1.23045@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 17:33:11 GMT

DON'T FORGET> The NEW date is Saturday May 20th.
Less than TWO WEEKS away.

Yes we know this is the same day as the Dayton Hamfest,
there's nothing that can be done about this year.

You can find detailed driving directions on the CC-AWA web
page at  http://www.cc-awa.org

As always with our Saturday events, admission is FREE,
vendor setup is only $5.

If you've never attended one of our Saturday morning events
before please understand that these events start early and are all over
before 12noon.

The park officially opens the gates at 8AM, but folks are usually
there by around 7AM.
If you sleep late and show up at 10 or 11 all you'll get to see is
the early birds packing up and heading home.

We look forward to seeing everyone there.


73, Ron kc4yoy

Radio Collection Web Page,
http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com







Article: 333964 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve O'Neill" <steve.o.neill?@worldnet.att.ten>
Subject: KLH Model 8 Restoration Advice Requested
Message-ID: <SZq7g.36157$Fs1.16044@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 18:26:58 GMT

Hi:

I have an old KLH Model 8 FM recvr that's been a "display" unit till now.
I've decided to get it into operating condition.  As such, I'll be doing the
usual recap/verify resistor work.  Although the work looks pretty
straightforward, two issues are on the near horizon:

1. The speaker grille is rather discolored and brown looking.  I've removed
it w/o damage but it looks quite fragile...like it's made from twisted
tissue paper that's then been coarsely woven into a fabric.  Can this be
cleaned in any way or should I just let it be?

2. I can't locate alignment info for it, only the schematic (which was on
the bottom).  The RF/IF circuit looks fairly conventional and I could
probably extrapolate an alignment procedure from other equipment of the time
but the "certified' procedure would be reassuring.  Any alignment tips or
places to look for this info?

I'm aware that this unit gets discussed here on occasion and sometimes in
great detail but I don't recall my specific issues recently.  Google
archives haven't been working well for me in this regard either so pointers
in the right direction are much appreciated.

TIA
-- 
Steve




Article: 333965 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Message-ID: <kdis52dcl7sjuta61tggebmd8hdt5h1b9n@4ax.com>
References: <25525-445D59EE-1885@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <1146991209.719376.271190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <mhur52919hlo73e0824n8ot6sc00ne4ntg@4ax.com> <1147025251.676037.73750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 15:26:00 -0400

On 7 May 2006 11:07:31 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:

>
>Beerbarrel wrote:
>> On 7 May 2006 01:40:09 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Ken G. wrote:
>> >> I cant find the old thread under stevens 1500 posts :-)
>> >>
>> >> More info . My radio is a big deco pointed top tombstone 11 tubes . Its
>> >> 4 band and takes the plastic escutcheon . I still need one please .
>> >>
>> >> And question . mine has 2 knob tuning instead of one i see in every
>> >> picture . Why ?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >
>> >This one?
>> >
>> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/browse_thread/thread/19f811862809b267/6c2ec1246c1d1427?hl=en#6c2ec1246c1d1427
>>
>>
>> He does post a bunch of nonsense does he not? He has to be on some
>> sort of medication.
>>
>> It's Christianity vs. Islam. Let's get this party started!
>
>I told you to stay out of my posts too, you drunken bitch

So much for meds that work...

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 333966 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: KLH Model 8 Restoration Advice Requested
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 13:20:23 -0700
Message-ID: <kels52lhq6mcjf65p5d7ljrij603ovvjna@4ax.com>
References: <SZq7g.36157$Fs1.16044@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>

On Sun, 07 May 2006 18:26:58 GMT, "Steve O'Neill"
<steve.o.neill?@worldnet.att.ten> wrote:

>1. The speaker grille is rather discolored and brown looking.  I've removed
>it w/o damage but it looks quite fragile...like it's made from twisted
>tissue paper that's then been coarsely woven into a fabric. <snip>

Nicotine.  Aside from Sommerwerck's "Oxy-Clean" idea, you can also try
an aqeuous solution of household ammonia and water, which should
prevent any further bleaching.  Ammonia's about the best water
soluable solvent for nicotine there is, and I've used it many times of
nicotine coated parts and cloth.

KLH 8...neat little radio in its day; also very stable, as he said.


Article: 333967 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <bt0n52dqh4qvtv6g5p6nsa4slmvmfghkdd@4ax.com>   <1146849754.351698.17240@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146851527.370596.137900@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <YLs7g.15475$Sl4.3574@bignews1.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 16:28:51 -0400

Peter Wieck wrote:
> YIKES....
> 
> Anyone who has read Dr. Dolittle (in the original) of course would be
> able to understand and answer this question.
> 
> We, all of us are single-ended, most of the time. Pushmepullyous are
> double-ended and suffer from a significant lack that gives them (a)
> rather distorted outlook(s) on life. However, in the case of SE, only
> crap comes out of that end that the PP unit lacks. So, you have the
> choice between some distortion or pure crap all the time.
> 
> Nothing in life is perfect. 
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 
The modern equivalent of this would be the "Cat-Dog"
cartoon on cable tv.


Article: 333968 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs!
References: <44554181$0$33893$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net> <18583-44557953-204@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <8Ys7g.15476$Sl4.4725@bignews1.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 16:41:51 -0400

Bill Sheppard wrote:
> From Martin:
> 
> 
>>My slight concern would be whether the 
>>insulation of the secondary would be 
>>happy with the CT fuse opening.
> 
> 
> I used to build full-wave doubler supplies using a radio power tranny, a
> 5U4 and a pair of TV damper tubes. 800V was taken off the 5U4's
> filament, and 400V was taken off at the hv ct. The *entire* hv winding
> was that high above ground, and performed quite happily. European
> transformers might be different in the layering sequence of their
> windings, though. 
>                  Bill(oc) 
> 
Such power supplies were quite common in amateur radio transmitter
designs.  The older ARRL handbooks are full of them.  I shudder to think
of the ones where the filaments of BOTH damper tubes shared a common
filament transformer winding (though these tubes by design had a
very high heater to cathode insulation).  Some of these supplies
used Si diodes in place of the dampers, the 5U4 (or 5R4) provided
a protection from in-rush in the charging of the HV supply capacitors
but the "LV" caps had to handle the full inrush as the diodes were
instant on.  Later designs used Si diodes throughout.

Even worse as far as inter-winding voltage was using the full
secondary in a full wave voltage doubler circuit.  A popular
single 811A linear design that appeared in the ARRL handbook used a single
monster tv transformer to deliver over 1200v by this method.


Article: 333969 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <ztmdnVsjtNhSoMPZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Help ID Spark XMTR PLS
Message-ID: <k2t7g.28758$Sa1.8811@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:48:16 GMT

Carl, I think the spark coil with the spark on top and the interrupter
is old, most likely mid teens. I just happened to have been looking
through some of my early wireless catalogs just this AM and
there's lots stuff that looks like this.
As far as the base and remains of a key, I'm not sure.
The bottom key contact that's still on the board is not part
of a spark key, the contact is way to small.
The work is clearly old, may have been put together many years
ago, but I'm not sure it was ever used as a working spark transmitter.
If I run across a catalog listing for a spark coil I'll post a pic of it.

73, Ron kc4yoy

--

Radio Collection Web Page,
http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com



Carl WA1KPD <nantucketbound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ztmdnVsjtNhSoMPZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Pic on A.P.B.R.
>
> Picked this spark xmtr up at the local ham flea market this weekend and
> wonder if anyone can identify it.
> It looks like a key was part of the front and it is missing the actual
key.
>
> I presume in the bottom there was plates for a capacitor but am open to
the
> thoughts of others.
> It looks to have been commercial and I wonder if anyone has any thoughts
on
> who made it.
>
> By the way if you have really sharp eyes you will notice the price is
> $12.00. The individual selling it is a friend and when I pointed out I
> thought it was worth much more, he gave it to me !!!
>
> 73
>
>
>
> --
> Carl
> WA1KPD
> Visit My Boatanchor Collection at
> http://home.comcast.net/~chnord/wa1kpd.html
>
>




Article: 333970 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Message-ID: <gavs52t5aku7l3r9d1vpc2rtn2bh1jm26e@4ax.com>
References: <25525-445D59EE-1885@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <1146991209.719376.271190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <mhur52919hlo73e0824n8ot6sc00ne4ntg@4ax.com> <1147025251.676037.73750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <kdis52dcl7sjuta61tggebmd8hdt5h1b9n@4ax.com> <1147040162.894471.57560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 19:06:50 -0400

On 7 May 2006 15:16:03 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:

>G-zus Tracy. Lithium, glyburide and Actos (type II diabetes) lovastatin
>(cholesterol) and lisinopril (hypertension). One medication only. Are
>you trying to usurp DesertBob as head trash, or are you just ragging on
>because I blocked your email?
>
>You go get it started. You can't even go.


You aren't going to send me anymore email? There is a God!

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 333971 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Message-ID: <ip1t52hdhla3rvdofjh016q3v3hc51cdau@4ax.com>
References: <25525-445D59EE-1885@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <1146991209.719376.271190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <mhur52919hlo73e0824n8ot6sc00ne4ntg@4ax.com> <1147025251.676037.73750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <kdis52dcl7sjuta61tggebmd8hdt5h1b9n@4ax.com> <1147040162.894471.57560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <gavs52t5aku7l3r9d1vpc2rtn2bh1jm26e@4ax.com> <1147043833.566868.13430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 19:49:05 -0400

On 7 May 2006 16:17:13 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:

>I tried to take this off list, but you insisted. Someday you'll figure
>things out better.
>
>It didn't do you any good either.


No, I told you never to email me again and you keep emailing. What is
your major malfunction? Are you really that screwed up in the head?
Seems so to me!

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 333972 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:45:48 -0600
Message-ID: <18487-445E86AC-134@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1147043833.566868.13430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Can you 2 have your sex off line please :-)



Article: 333973 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Message-ID: <6f2t52t7q6jf3sv6us5hd77oeu7ublcvi1@4ax.com>
References: <1147043833.566868.13430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <18487-445E86AC-134@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:00:18 -0400

On Sun, 7 May 2006 17:45:48 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote:

>Can you 2 have your sex off line please :-)


No! You have sex with the fat boy!

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 333974 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <445E8F79.B2C6C2C1@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
References: <25525-445D59EE-1885@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <1146991209.719376.271190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <mhur52919hlo73e0824n8ot6sc00ne4ntg@4ax.com> <1147025251.676037.73750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <kdis52dcl7sjuta61tggebmd8hdt5h1b9n@4ax.com> <1147040162.894471.57560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <gavs52t5aku7l3r9d1vpc2rtn2bh1jm26e@4ax.com> <1147043833.566868.13430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <ip1t52hdhla3rvdofjh016q3v3hc51cdau@4ax.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 00:24:31 GMT

Beerbarrel wrote:
> 
> No, I told you never to email me again and you keep emailing. What is
> your major malfunction? Are you really that screwed up in the head?
> Seems so to me!


   Forward all of them to his ISP, along with the email where you told
him to stop.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333975 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Message-ID: <464t5295670sa5ded9r418b8lpp1ppnvn6@4ax.com>
References: <1146991209.719376.271190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <mhur52919hlo73e0824n8ot6sc00ne4ntg@4ax.com> <1147025251.676037.73750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <kdis52dcl7sjuta61tggebmd8hdt5h1b9n@4ax.com> <1147040162.894471.57560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <gavs52t5aku7l3r9d1vpc2rtn2bh1jm26e@4ax.com> <1147043833.566868.13430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <ip1t52hdhla3rvdofjh016q3v3hc51cdau@4ax.com> <445E8F79.B2C6C2C1@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:30:57 -0400

On Mon, 08 May 2006 00:24:31 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Beerbarrel wrote:
>> 
>> No, I told you never to email me again and you keep emailing. What is
>> your major malfunction? Are you really that screwed up in the head?
>> Seems so to me!
>
>
>   Forward all of them to his ISP, along with the email where you told
>him to stop.


I've been thinking of that Mike. The only emails that he sent me were
a threat. I never did respond to one of his posts until he responded
to one of mine. I guess I made a huge mistake in responding to him. To
his ISP they go.



It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 333976 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Scott Phantom Switch/ Ping Scott Harvey/ Scott Experts 
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:41:41 -0400
Message-ID: <125t4ucjk1ga595@corp.supernews.com>
References: <125q3tarlfpoo64@corp.supernews.com>


  I'm taking a long
> time figuring out the trimmer screws- and Rider's isn't helpful for such

DUH, I found the needed diagrams in Riders. They're in with the regular 
Phantom info.

John H. 




Article: 333977 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Message-ID: <ii5t52pvkcvkakkn1656bovjoeio2fvlp9@4ax.com>
References: <mhur52919hlo73e0824n8ot6sc00ne4ntg@4ax.com> <1147025251.676037.73750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <kdis52dcl7sjuta61tggebmd8hdt5h1b9n@4ax.com> <1147040162.894471.57560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <gavs52t5aku7l3r9d1vpc2rtn2bh1jm26e@4ax.com> <1147043833.566868.13430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <ip1t52hdhla3rvdofjh016q3v3hc51cdau@4ax.com> <445E8F79.B2C6C2C1@earthlink.net> <464t5295670sa5ded9r418b8lpp1ppnvn6@4ax.com> <1147049321.134576.47460@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:53:14 -0400

On 7 May 2006 17:48:41 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:

>Yippee. It's not my ISP. I tried to get your drunk ass off the group so
>you could bitch without bugging the rest of the group I didn't feel I
>wanted to respond to the group. Of course, you CAN keep it public and
>leave it for lawyers if need be.
>
>Keep it up. It only harms the entire group.
>
>I haven't complained to Cox. You can complain to Lycos but they aren't
>my ISP. Mail servers are a dime a dance. You and Mike have all the fun
>you think you can. Since when have you been more than a small
>interruption in anything? All you do is teach me how to survive, which
>one of you doesn't have that much time for if they try to be Crusaders
>all the time. WIPE.


You could not afford a lawyer if they were assigened to you. What a
loon!

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 333978 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Message-ID: <rq5t52t1kjnnc5jq7os2ki1ofoovplea0v@4ax.com>
References: <1147025251.676037.73750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <kdis52dcl7sjuta61tggebmd8hdt5h1b9n@4ax.com> <1147040162.894471.57560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <gavs52t5aku7l3r9d1vpc2rtn2bh1jm26e@4ax.com> <1147043833.566868.13430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <ip1t52hdhla3rvdofjh016q3v3hc51cdau@4ax.com> <445E8F79.B2C6C2C1@earthlink.net> <464t5295670sa5ded9r418b8lpp1ppnvn6@4ax.com> <1147049321.134576.47460@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <ii5t52pvkcvkakkn1656bovjoeio2fvlp9@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:58:45 -0400

On Sun, 07 May 2006 20:53:14 -0400, Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
wrote:

>On 7 May 2006 17:48:41 -0700, "Steven" <ManyRumours@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>Yippee. It's not my ISP. I tried to get your drunk ass off the group so
>>you could bitch without bugging the rest of the group I didn't feel I
>>wanted to respond to the group. Of course, you CAN keep it public and
>>leave it for lawyers if need be.
>>
>>Keep it up. It only harms the entire group.
>>
>>I haven't complained to Cox. You can complain to Lycos but they aren't
>>my ISP. Mail servers are a dime a dance. You and Mike have all the fun
>>you think you can. Since when have you been more than a small
>>interruption in anything? All you do is teach me how to survive, which
>>one of you doesn't have that much time for if they try to be Crusaders
>>all the time. WIPE.
>
>
>You could not afford a lawyer if they were assigened to you. What a
>loon!
>
>It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Let me fix that so even Steve can read it.

You could not afford a lawyer if they assigned you one from the nut
house that you reside it. I'm sorry for the typos. It's so hard to
type correctly when you are as drunk as I am.

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 333979 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: 8 May 2006 01:18:16 -0000
Message-ID: <IY9SIRNC38844.8876851852@anonymous>
From: Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Steven Dinius)
Subject: I got a new radio



-=-
This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.






Article: 333980 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: 8 May 2006 01:34:13 -0000
Message-ID: <D1R5XBOL38844.8987615741@twistycreek.com>
From: Steven Dinius <anon@comments.header>
Subject: I got a new radio





Article: 333981 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <445EA020.4DB58ED4@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 7000 - Back cover pops out from battery weight - 
References: <2u4t529o0u94tjpf90n090kosr4tqqvluq@4ax.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 01:35:36 GMT

davefr wrote:
> 
> I have a real "minty" Zenith 7000 Shortwave radio.  The back cover is
> held on by a push pin in the middle of the cover.  You push in the pin
> and it expands the surrounding prongs and it holds the cover in place.
> 
> Well, plastics back then got pretty brittle and I only have 1 of the
> four little prongs left on back of the cover.  It's not enough the
> hold it closed and the upper batterys tend to want to push the back
> cover open.
> 
> I'm sure there are plenty of workarounds but I'm looking for a method
> that doesn't require hacking, drilling, or kludging.
> 
> I'm sure I'm not the first with this issue.  Does anyone have any
> creative solutions that can leaves this radio in close to mint
> condition???
> 
> Any source of these push pins by chance??
> 
> TIA


   That depends:  What size is the hole, and how deep is it?  This
determines which one you need.  They are still used on some modern
equipment to hold Plexiglas over HV compartments.
-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333982 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: David <rickets@knac.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 7000 - Back cover pops out from battery weight - Any good fix??
Message-ID: <rdat525ib6u3kume52u7eskqlg03gtogk2@4ax.com>
References: <2u4t529o0u94tjpf90n090kosr4tqqvluq@4ax.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 02:15:30 GMT

On Sun, 07 May 2006 17:53:16 -0700, davefr <nospam@net.com> wrote:

>I have a real "minty" Zenith 7000 Shortwave radio.  The back cover is
>held on by a push pin in the middle of the cover.  You push in the pin
>and it expands the surrounding prongs and it holds the cover in place.
>
>Well, plastics back then got pretty brittle and I only have 1 of the
>four little prongs left on back of the cover.  It's not enough the
>hold it closed and the upper batterys tend to want to push the back
>cover open.
>
>I'm sure there are plenty of workarounds but I'm looking for a method
>that doesn't require hacking, drilling, or kludging. 
>
>I'm sure I'm not the first with this issue.  Does anyone have any
>creative solutions that can leaves this radio in close to mint
>condition??? 
>
>Any source of these push pins by chance??
>
>TIA
Velcro.



Article: 333983 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 19:31:31 -0700
Message-ID: <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 7 May 2006 17:26:04 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>What I noticed is this- with an SE amp, I can play it with no tone
>adjustment and no EQ- it will sound just fine. <snip>

...all of which means you've never ever heard a truly good system in
your miserable, low life.  Must've been a bitch when Papa Noodles
disowned you, eh, Noodles?
>
>With a P-P amp, I have to add treble to even get near the clarity and
>detail the SE has, with no tone control adjustment.  Also the P-P amp
>requires the loudness button on at low levels, to hear the music. <snip>

You're such a pitiful retard.  What you've just done is expose your
ignorance of both electronics in audio and human hearing in one fell
swoop...but we already knew that.

> But
>then it starts sounding irritating, so I turn off the loudness and go
>back to zero setting on treble to listen to it longer. <snip>

Mexicans like to do that...lots of "boom and tizz," nothing in terms
of fidelity.  You like that too, eh, Noodles?
>
>It's a constant adjustment battle with the P-P amp, with the SE it's
>perfect as is. <snip>

The only "adjustment" that'd be perfect here is if your computer blew
up and epix.net canceled your access at the same time.
>
>The P-P amp has more bass punch, but it's fake bass punch- it's not
>faithful to the original recording. <snip>

You wouldn't know an "original recording" if one were jammed up your
huge derrière, Noodles.  You're such a bullshitting sack of
turds...couldn't WAIT to post to show your incredibly boundless
igrnoance, could you?


Article: 333984 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <445EAE05.36D026AB@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
References: <1146991209.719376.271190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <mhur52919hlo73e0824n8ot6sc00ne4ntg@4ax.com> <1147025251.676037.73750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <kdis52dcl7sjuta61tggebmd8hdt5h1b9n@4ax.com> <1147040162.894471.57560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <gavs52t5aku7l3r9d1vpc2rtn2bh1jm26e@4ax.com> <1147043833.566868.13430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <ip1t52hdhla3rvdofjh016q3v3hc51cdau@4ax.com> <445E8F79.B2C6C2C1@earthlink.net> <464t5295670sa5ded9r418b8lpp1ppnvn6@4ax.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 02:34:54 GMT

Beerbarrel wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 08 May 2006 00:24:31 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> >Beerbarrel wrote:
> >>
> >> No, I told you never to email me again and you keep emailing. What is
> >> your major malfunction? Are you really that screwed up in the head?
> >> Seems so to me!
> >
> >
> >   Forward all of them to his ISP, along with the email where you told
> >him to stop.
> 
> I've been thinking of that Mike. The only emails that he sent me were
> a threat. I never did respond to one of his posts until he responded
> to one of mine. I guess I made a huge mistake in responding to him. To
> his ISP they go.


   Unless he's changed his ISP since I kill filed him he is posting from
Qwest.

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=70.58.132.121&email=on


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 333985 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: I got a new radio
References: <IY9SIRNC38844.8876851852@anonymous>
Message-ID: <90z7g.9086$Nk3.3103@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 03:35:33 GMT

Another name for the kill file.

Steven Dinius wrote:
> -=-
> This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333986 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bernie Bignose" <obnoxousjewbastadt@daberniebignosers.com>
References: <tdydnfwdpqyuccDZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: mail from Phil's Vintage Radios
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 23:37:01 -0400
Message-ID: <1ed9b$445ebce4$d1cc5b83$26596@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>


"William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:tdydnfwdpqyuccDZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> I received two e-mails from Phil's Vintage Radios this morning. Both
looked
> legit, but Symantic Anti-Virus marked them as virus-laden and removed the
> images!
>
> I don't know what's going on. Any idea?

I think Phil needs to check his PC for Trojans and/or remailler Worms.



Article: 333987 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: mail from Phil's Vintage Radios
References: <tdydnfwdpqyuccDZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com>   <445E0D30.C4F6C25D@earthlink.net>   <1147040934.718598.239720@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147041189.768516.98740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <_9z7g.1301$u4.142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 03:46:02 GMT

Steven wrote:

> I only got 3400 a month. Somebody must hate you or some stupid thing.
> That's sad...a week!
> 
I remember that flood of trash too.  I ended up getting a copy of 
Mailwasher 2.0.  It lets me look at all the titles of the emails sitting 
at my ISP's server without downloading the entire email.  I can tell the 
ISP server via mailwasher to delete what I mark as being trash without 
my having to download it.  Which on dial up really matters.  Also doing 
this keeps most of the viruses out.  Not all, I did get nailed by a worm 
about 2 weeks ago.  PITA.


Article: 333988 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: mail from Phil's Vintage Radios
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:58:32 +0900
Message-ID: <e3mfhk$kca$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <tdydnfwdpqyuccDZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com>   <445E0D30.C4F6C25D@earthlink.net>   <1147040934.718598.239720@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147041189.768516.98740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <_9z7g.1301$u4.142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>


"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message 
news:_9z7g.1301$u4.142@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Steven wrote:
>
>> I only got 3400 a month. Somebody must hate you or some stupid thing.
>> That's sad...a week!
>>
> I remember that flood of trash too.  I ended up getting a copy of 
> Mailwasher 2.0.  It lets me look at all the titles of the emails sitting 
> at my ISP's server without downloading the entire email.  I can tell the 
> ISP server via mailwasher to delete what I mark as being trash without my 
> having to download it.  Which on dial up really matters.  Also doing this 
> keeps most of the viruses out.  Not all, I did get nailed by a worm about 
> 2 weeks ago.  PITA.

Mailwasher is great stuff.. wouldn't be without it. I've got 5.0 Pro. 
Nothing makes it to my inbox that I don't want to make it in there.





Article: 333989 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1146991209.719376.271190@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <mhur52919hlo73e0824n8ot6sc00ne4ntg@4ax.com>   <1147025251.676037.73750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <kdis52dcl7sjuta61tggebmd8hdt5h1b9n@4ax.com>   <1147040162.894471.57560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <gavs52t5aku7l3r9d1vpc2rtn2bh1jm26e@4ax.com>   <1147043833.566868.13430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <ip1t52hdhla3rvdofjh016q3v3hc51cdau@4ax.com>   <445E8F79.B2C6C2C1@earthlink.net>   <464t5295670sa5ded9r418b8lpp1ppnvn6@4ax.com>   <445EAE05.36D026AB@earthlink.net> <1147066611.276822.149820@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Philco 16B escutcheon
Message-ID: <rYA7g.2837$WP5.2257@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 05:48:07 GMT


"Whatever" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1147066611.276822.149820@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Report made to Earthlink. Strike two. I will not tolerate your behavior
> any further. CEASE and DESIST or face sanctions. Every incident will be
> reported and contact will not be tolerated.
>
> This is your only warning. My provider will be kept up to date.
>


Please stop switching your identity so those of us who want to avoid this mess can.

jim menning 




Article: 333990 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!!
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 23:09:05 -0700
Message-ID: <ktnt52d4uhtqg7j5k3egp43csvdj0hfm3o@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com>   <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <14z7g.1292$u4.398@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Mon, 08 May 2006 03:39:41 GMT, robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>I think part of what's bugging us old timers in rar+p is that it looks 
>like he did the bare minimum repairs to get it to play, but not the 
>usual overhaul most of us do to radios and equipment we expect to get 
>many years of heavy use out of. <snip>

Duh...no kidding.  Didn't I warn "this group" about that on Day 1?
>
>Looked at his ad, I didn't see the word "mint".  He may have edited it 
>out or I just missed it.  Based on the pictures, I'd rate the appearance 
>as "reasonably decent shape, used but not abused".  I think it's dust on 
>the transformers, but if it's rust my rating would significantly drop. 
>In any event, it's not mint. <snip>

He edited it out.  He knew he might get ratted out (probably by me)
so, rather than incur the wrath of another pissed off customer, he
decided to hedge his bet.

This guy, Charlie Nudo aka 66fourdoor aka akaiam8, has a long history
of theft of copyrighted materal, counterfeiting of media and sleazy
eBay practices.  The feedback he has shows just how easily manipulated
eBay's phony feedback system is, and how gullible and/or easily bought
off eBay buyers are.  As I've learned the hard way, just about ANY
buyer with "retracted feedback" is probably a feedback scamster. Also,
look for bid retractions.  Noodles has have probably 10 since I've
been monitoring him.


Article: 333991 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: someone needs to have their eyes checked
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 23:11:30 -0700
Message-ID: <b7ot525r29j9c4uh326t5scm11cq599evh@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com>   <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146912777.737487.317160@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <l5GdnYDEYP0LRMHZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <AtGdnY5XL6sBMsPZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@insightbb.com>

On Sun, 7 May 2006 22:41:50 -0400, "t.hoehler"
<t.hoehler@insightbb.com> wrote:

>I totally agree. I rarely post on this group. I _really_ enjoy lurking, but 
>I have to say, in the last three weeks or so this ng has gone straight to 
>hell. No fun anymore, big waste of bandwidth, goodbye.
>Regards to all the adults, <snip>

As predicted, Charlie Nudo is ruining yet another Usenet group.

You can thank the "Googleheads" for providing Usenet access to retards
like Chalie Nudo.


Article: 333992 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" <nobody@nowhere.com>
Subject: fs - ohmite 50 watt, 1000 ohm rheostat, NOS
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 23:38:59 -0700
Message-ID: <lppt52hei9qb47kat39upfc6cu1igjhbqo@4ax.com>

$11 including postage in USA, NOS (new, unused, box is old and
brittle) Ohmite 50 watt 1000 ohm rheostat, ceramic, etc.

contact me off the list if interested.  
Bill

www.wbnoble.com

to contact me, do not reply to this message, 
instead correct this address and use it

will iam_  b_   No  ble   at  msn  daught   com

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Article: 333993 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: I got a new radio
References: <IY9SIRNC38844.8876851852@anonymous>   <90z7g.9086$Nk3.3103@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147062848.722513.218600@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <oaD7g.14399$MP2.1429@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:19:32 GMT

Whatever wrote:
> Are you guys having fun? I've been gone nearly 2.5 hours and I figured
> that would happen.

Do you honestly think I give a rat's ass what you think?

Sooner or later the library is going to get tired of cleaning
off various body fluids from the monitors and under the desks
>from every time you use their equipment.

Go ahead, have fun, continue to make RAR+P your personal "self-
abuse rag" it only makes it easier to get you thrown off the
net again.

Jeff

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RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333994 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:50:52 +0900
Message-ID: <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com>


"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message 
news:p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com...
> On 7 May 2006 17:26:04 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:
>
>>What I noticed is this- with an SE amp, I can play it with no tone
>>adjustment and no EQ- it will sound just fine. <snip>
>
> ...all of which means you've never ever heard a truly good system in
> your miserable, low life.  Must've been a bitch when Papa Noodles
> disowned you, eh, Noodles?
>>
>>With a P-P amp, I have to add treble to even get near the clarity and
>>detail the SE has, with no tone control adjustment.  Also the P-P amp
>>requires the loudness button on at low levels, to hear the music. <snip>
>
> You're such a pitiful retard.  What you've just done is expose your
> ignorance of both electronics in audio and human hearing in one fell
> swoop...but we already knew that.
>
>> But
>>then it starts sounding irritating, so I turn off the loudness and go
>>back to zero setting on treble to listen to it longer. <snip>
>
> Mexicans like to do that...lots of "boom and tizz," nothing in terms
> of fidelity.  You like that too, eh, Noodles?
>>
>>It's a constant adjustment battle with the P-P amp, with the SE it's
>>perfect as is. <snip>
>
> The only "adjustment" that'd be perfect here is if your computer blew
> up and epix.net canceled your access at the same time.
>>
>>The P-P amp has more bass punch, but it's fake bass punch- it's not
>>faithful to the original recording. <snip>
>
> You wouldn't know an "original recording" if one were jammed up your
> huge derrière, Noodles.  You're such a bullshitting sack of
> turds...couldn't WAIT to post to show your incredibly boundless
> igrnoance, could you?

My brain hurts... where does  he come up with all this crapola?  There is 
absolutely no reason whatsoever that a push-pull amp would sound a bit 
different than a single-ended amp given:

1) the same input signal
2) at the same level and
3) the same gain stages  (including tone control circuitry) up to the output 
drivers.

There are a lot of very clean high power push pull (cascade or standard) 
power amplifiers out there. For instance nearly every high end amp in 
existance.  There are some audiophools that think single ended amps sound 
better.. those would be the same ones that think that a CD sounds better if 
you run around the center hole with a magic marker.  I guarantee that you 
will never see a crossover point on any quality push-pull amp, and the 
frequency response curve is just as flat as can be.

The one thing that single ended amps can do better than push pull is produce 
a clean sine wave signal at frequencies far higher than the human  ear can 
hear.. but who cares? You can't hear them.  Any difference in the 'sound' of 
an amplifier is almost always due to differences in input circuitry and tone 
control circuitry.

*climbs down off her technician soapbox*





Article: 333995 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:52:52 +0900
Message-ID: <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net>

P.S. Where has he even heard a single-ended amp with more than 4 or 5 watts 
of power, anyway? Anyone? Most single ended amps are found in basic radios 
and phonographs (and old ones at that, most modern stuff is p-p/cascade... 
this includes the IC output stuff) 




Article: 333996 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: eBay silliness at it's finest.
Message-ID: <axE7g.6161$yM.1230@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 09:52:06 GMT

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/31/ebay_box_sale/

Words fail me.

Jeff

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 333997 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Dave McClellan" <dave@mcclellans.com>
Subject: Origin of BEEHIVE term?
Message-ID: <5gH7g.7$227.6@fe04.lga>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 08:58:27 -0400

Yes, I have read the archives of this group as well as searched Google.  And
yes I am aware that there is generally no agreement as to the definition of
the term.  Some apply it to any cathedral radio.  I prefer to apply it only
to ROUND TOPS.  IMHO cathedrals should have a pointed top like a gothic
cathedral window.

But my question is: WHERE DID THE TERM ORIGINATE?  Makes no sense to me.  A
so called "beehive" radio certainly does not resemble a beehive.

Just curious.




Article: 333998 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Where to get jensen speakers reconed?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <e3jnnt$dud$1@news.doit.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <sLH7g.963125$xm3.921809@attbi_s21>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:32:08 GMT

In article <e3jnnt$dud$1@news.doit.wisc.edu>, mjmalin@wiscNOSPAM.edu 
says...
>
>
>I have a 12" and an 8" Jensen that need reconing.  Anyone know where I 
>can have these done?  Or, would anyone have either of these for sale?
>
>Thanks.
>Mark.
>

Blink up www.ReCone.com and follow to your state to find a ReConer
for your speakers

John k9uwa



Article: 333999 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Who bends sheet-metal?
References: <1147090800.601154.242500@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <YXG7g.83837$dW3.77969@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> <1147093699.713233.270810@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <DiI7g.39161$MM6.15535@bignews3.bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 09:10:47 -0500

Peter Wieck wrote:
> Thank you. I tried a couple in our stable of contractors. The problem
> is something that 'small', or so they tell me. I found something at
> Mouser that will fit after multiple punches, but a NG denizen has
> offered to make me one to fit exactly. And there is a local shop that
> will do it... they have a mere 5 weeks of backlog for off-standard
> onesies. 
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 
> 
I've seen a couple of DIY articles somewhere which detail a simple brake 
made from a couple of door hinges and pieces of hardwood.  I can't seem 
to remember just where, however.  IIRC it was pretty simple...maybe half 
an hour fab time....

OTOH, Googling "DIY sheet metal brake" brings up all kinds of irrelevant 
hits.  This is the only one which might be easy enough for a one-time 
project: <http://www.garymkatz.com/Charts/HomemadeBrake.htm>

What's happened to Google these days, anyway?  It seems that every link 
is an advertising site which has little to do with the search at hand, 
or an eBay link.

jak



Article: 334000 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "gudule" <gudule88@sympatico.ca>
Subject: WTB = TOP COVER FOR EICO 666 TUBE TESTER
Message-ID: <PgJ7g.1953$aq5.88437@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:21:08 -0400

Thanks




Article: 334001 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!!
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:33:37 -0700
Message-ID: <pqou52porlctimhlpfqn8pn58hpj0sjp40@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <14z7g.1292$u4.398@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147088815.245910.311450@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 04:46:55 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>good observation- but what you old timers have to realize is, the
>Fisher 500c sold yesterday for $475, the guy is coming to my house to
>pick it up, a 5-hour round trip for him- and I am letting it hooked up
>for now to my speakers, so he can hear it first. <snip>

Wish I could be a fly on the wall at THAT audition!
>
>you fellas have to dismiss this "DeserTBob" and his bullshit stories,
>he's jading your judgment-  <snip>

"Jading...."  OK.
>
>repeat- I can't keep every radio I fix up and test- neither do all of
>you- I'm sure you've ALL sold quite a few over the years, yourselves.
>Most likely, many more than I have. <snip>

Noodles, QUIT LYING.  You have NO clue as to how to repair a "radio."
You don't know how one works.  You have no RF test gear.  You have
only a DVM you just bought, and a 1940s emissions tester.  You are, as
always, an unmitigated fraud.
>
>not every radio needs to be completely overhauled to be sale-able.
>When they opened up King Tut's Tomb, did they say "wow, all these
>ancient old gold artifacts are dusty,  they look terrible, just throw
>them away, they're worthless- and that rotted old mummy- gross- burn
>it"...no, the stuff is actually priceless. FORGET appearance, it
>doesn't matter in some cases.  But in this case, the 500c is in stellar
>condition.  The price was discounted $250 from a restored unit. <snip>

It's not "restored."  You did what you do to your 8 track
decks...wiped off the crud, smeared some Pledge on the cracked wooden
cabinet, hosed out the chassis with your QCD solvent, jammed some
cheap Russian tubes into it and that's as far as you ever get.

>Reason
>being a full resto costs $250 if farmed out to people who specialize in
>that. A restored unit goes for $700. <snip>

Noodles...QUIT LYING.  You scammed this thing on the cheap to make a
big killing, just like you tried to make a killing on that rusted '61
T-Bird and '49 Olds, and that failed, and you tried to make a killing
on 8 tracks, and that failed.  Charlie Nudo, you are a failure, as the
90% plus failure rate of your eBay auctions shows.

>there is no need to "completely restore" something, if it already
>plays. <snip>

Further ignorance shown.

> That unit was in a lot better shape than most realize.  When
>was the last time you saw an original owner Fisher 500c with manuals ?
>That's why it has value.  And the German made caps in that Fisher are
>closer to printed spec than most replacements are today ! <snip>

WTF did yo use, that "Cap Wizard?"  Give me a break.
>
>most collectors PREFER an unrestored unit that is in original condition
>and working. <snip>

Liar.

> I'd prefer an unrestored original stereo in good shape,
>to a doctored up one, anyday.   Same with old musclecars and antiques.
>the originals are worth the most, that are unrestored. <snip>

Again, a complete falsehood, and an excellent example of Charlie
Nudo's scrambled brain.


Article: 334002 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!!
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:34:01 -0700
Message-ID: <p6pu52hkdso3km6v4m98gqa7fir0vmsh4l@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1vKdnTWavIVQYMDZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1147089032.348914.93480@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 04:50:32 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>sold- $475- pickup at my location
>
>what's your problem ?
>
>jealous ? <snip>

I'll give 3 to 1 the guy leaves quickly.


Article: 334003 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now For Sale, Not Mine!!
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:35:32 -0700
Message-ID: <68pu521shjc5b4fov24l9ap8gm5ee8tdni@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1vKdnTWavIVQYMDZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1147089032.348914.93480@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <gPmdnWl1XbfJxMLZnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com> <1147099678.947372.167650@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 07:47:59 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>wake up graham- you need a reality check- condition is subjective- <snip>

...to what bullshit spin Charlie Nudo aka 66fourdoor aka akaiam8 wants
to put on it at the time to make a sale.

>you're being a bit snooty thinking that amp isn't in nice shape-
>there's a waiting list on it now, 4 people want it- <snip>

Yeah...the four rats in Noodles' pocket.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Re: Fisher 500c
>Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:37 AM
>Subject: Re: did you get the pictures
>
>
>I just viewed the pictures this morning. The Fisher looks great. Where
>do I send the check? <snip>

Fabricated email, as usual.  This is an old Charlie Nudo scam from way
back.


Article: 334004 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:39:07 -0700
Message-ID: <ibpu521hbg79rco9hauo3ql01ptcvrl9eu@4ax.com>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net>

On Mon, 8 May 2006 18:50:52 +0900, "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
wrote:

>My brain hurts... where does  he come up with all this crapola? <snip>

Charlie Nudo manufactures his own "reality" to sell crap on eBay or
elsewhere...nothing more.

>There is 
>absolutely no reason whatsoever that a push-pull amp would sound a bit 
>different than a single-ended amp given:
>
>1) the same input signal
>2) at the same level and
>3) the same gain stages  (including tone control circuitry) up to the output 
>drivers. <snip>

At normal listening levels, this would be absolutely true.  Only when
the amp is put up against the rails would the big differences between
Class AB P-P and Class A single become evident to even the most casual
and/or uneducated auditioner.
>
>There are a lot of very clean high power push pull (cascade or standard) 
>power amplifiers out there. For instance nearly every high end amp in 
>existance.  There are some audiophools that think single ended amps sound 
>better.. those would be the same ones that think that a CD sounds better if 
>you run around the center hole with a magic marker.  I guarantee that you 
>will never see a crossover point on any quality push-pull amp, and the 
>frequency response curve is just as flat as can be. <snip>

Amen to that!

>The one thing that single ended amps can do better than push pull is produce 
>a clean sine wave signal at frequencies far higher than the human  ear can 
>hear.. but who cares? You can't hear them.  Any difference in the 'sound' of 
>an amplifier is almost always due to differences in input circuitry and tone 
>control circuitry. <snip>

Well said, and completely accurate, thus proving that Charlie Nudo is
exactly as I stated from Day 1 in here...a fraud.


Article: 334005 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Standard SR-H105L
From: "IvAn" <ivek@post.htnet.hr>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:39:30 +0200
Message-ID: <e3nolj$9dp$1@ss408.t-com.hr>

Please help.

Need schematics diagram of Standard SR-H105L.

Thanks in advance

Ivan




Article: 334006 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:41:24 -0700
Message-ID: <2hpu529vbed8n1cjloujotp43ok8v13e31@4ax.com>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net>

On Mon, 8 May 2006 18:52:52 +0900, "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
wrote:

>P.S. Where has he even heard a single-ended amp with more than 4 or 5 watts 
>of power, anyway? Anyone? <snip>

To make it even more ridiculous, there is a homebrew design that was
floating around the net a few years back where the "designer" (I use
that term most loosely) had a "power amp" made up of no less than 10
WECO 417A triodes!  I had over 200 of them in stock at the time, and
made a fortune feeding them to that buffoon.

>Most single ended amps are found in basic radios 
>and phonographs (and old ones at that, most modern stuff is p-p/cascade... 
>this includes the IC output stuff) <snip>

Single-ended amps were done in these cheap applications simply because
they were CHEAP...no other reason.  What do people think they can get
out of a single triode anyway?  One thing's for sure...tons of THD!


Article: 334007 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:43:57 -0700
Message-ID: <1mpu52hjgc9it9hgmk66mba3abss0rgshm@4ax.com>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147088976.955519.302970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 04:49:37 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>But your rant <snip>

First, her posts weren't "rants," but rather, pretty well written
statements of fact.

> is more-or-less assuming all other things are equal. As
>this thread more-or-less started out with Mr. Nudo comparing his Akai
>to his recently diddled Fisher 500C, in that case, things are most
>certainly *not* equal. It is very likely that the Fisher suffers from
>any number of other defects than those that were 'fixed' in order for
>it to pass signal. So, it is equally likely that what comes out of it
>is pretty crappy having nothing to do with its inherent design. So the
>comparison may be valid but the reasons for the differences are not. <snip>

Agreed.
>
>I pity the poor fool that actually buys the thing expecting a "Mint"
>condition receiver and receives a marginally-functional item with
>potentially dangerous/damaging failure conditions as-yet untreated. <snip>

If I drove five hours (with gas at $3.25/gal) to see this turd, I
think I might be inclined to make Mr. Nudo eat it on the spot!  Nudo's
tried these frauds before, saying he has a cornucopia of willing
buyers, only for us to see the same item returning to eBay about a
month later.  Such is the MO for your average low-life fraudster.

dB


Article: 334008 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Todd Tuckey" <tntquality@aol.com>
Subject: WTB: working 3A3 tube
Message-ID: <kOJ7g.990$re6.617@trndny04>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:51:44 GMT

Looking to buy a working..can be used...3A3 tube!  Can paypal instantly or 
send $$$...Todd  tntquality@aol.com 




Article: 334009 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:53:42 -0700
Message-ID: <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147088976.955519.302970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 05:12:10 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>Speakers- 1986 Technics- efficiency rating 93db/w/m printed right on
>the front
>
>15" woofer
>3" mid
>1.5" tweeter <snip>

And, of course, Jap speakers SUCK.  And, at 5 watts, he'll get an
ASTOUNDING  105 dB/w/m with the amps at clipping!  THAT'S what he's
listening to, the hash of the "soft clipping" of those ratty little
tape recorder amps, which he equated to "detail."  TOLD ya this guy's
a nut case.  He also admits to blowing a tweeter in this door stops,
probably because of running equipment to clipping, always a fatal blow
to any cheap tweeter.

>just rebuilt professionally under the lifetime guarantee I bought with
>them, in 1986 <snip>

"Professionally rebuilt?"  A speaker??? WTF????  I recone my own
drivers and rediaphragm my own compression drivers, mostly JBLs.
What'd he do, take those turds to "Tony's Guitar Shop" in Scranton?
>
>but that's just what's hooked up now- I have 7 other pairs of vintage
>speakers, including Fisher, Sony, Allied, JVC, Sonic, Technics <snip>

Fisher = eh
Sony = expensive trash
Allied = funny
JVC = trash
Sonic = K-Mart trash
Technics = bigger trash

He had some of those teensy ESS bookshelfers awhile back, but he
needed money, and so flogged them on fraudBay.  One thing the Japanese
have NEVER been able to do...design good speaker systems.

See?  Everything I've been trying to say about Noodles is 100% true,
isn't it?

Oh yes...why the Fisher didn't wind up in his NudoFraud® Industries
eBay machine, 66fourdoor?  Fear of bad feedback that'd be
unretractable.  People that get screwed for over $100 or so generally
would never agree to placate a fraudster with a feedback withdrawl.


Article: 334010 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:54:26 -0700
Message-ID: <gcqu52d6ra990g574cmtak4lt8s9l6dffe@4ax.com>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147088976.955519.302970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147090380.803469.323450@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 05:13:00 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>ps- the "poor fool" is driving to my home to pick this unit up, and
>will get to hear it first.
>
>now who's the poor fool, Peter ? <snip>

You will be, when he sees it and then flames you on Audiogon.  If he's
a moron and buys it, well, that's your target buyer, isn't it,
Noodles?


Article: 334011 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:57:44 -0700
Message-ID: <8equ52pgn96urdbg7gj2eksvk5jr2k6n2u@4ax.com>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147090053.914060.65480@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 05:07:33 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>I have an Akai M8, that is a dual monoblock SE setup.
>
>I also bought a Zen 84B amp- but later sold it- it was slightly
>inferior to the M8.
>
>I also had a Magnavox SE amp from an old console- tested it, then sold
>the amp- that was also inferior to the M8.  It looked similar to this:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9712628189&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 <snip>

Ever seen such BS in your LIFE?
>
>notice how that Mag. SE amp went for more than the entire floor antique
>radio that was in a thread here recently- 5x more- why do you think
>that happened ?  My Mag. went for $100 BIN.  Here's the old radio from
>previous auction, that only pulled $20
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624533993 <snip>

Some idiot's going to try to make a guitar amp out of it, fool.  No
sane person would use those old pieces of crap for audio applications,
ever.

>so there you have it- <snip>

Yes, we do...Charlie Nudo is a lying sack of turds, and a room temp
IQ...in Celsius.

> an SE chassis alone, is worth more than an entire
>old radio. <snip>

Which is because:

1.) the idiot wanted to make a cheap gee-tawr amp out of it and
2.)  didn't want to pay the freight for all that cheesy wood.

>  If you want the most money for an old radio- take the SE
>amp out of it, if so equipped, and sell that separately.   That may
>sound like an insult, but it's the truth.  Take 2 old radios with SE
>amps, and they make a nice dual monoblock setup to play stereo out of. <snip>

Only ONE person alive would think this is sane...Charlie Nudo.
>
>Single ended made a huge comeback in stereo circles- SE's are being
>pumped out like hotcakes now.  SE is where it's at- what brought it on
>was, CD's sound so flat and shitty, they need a tube amp to have any
>musical quality to them. <snip>

CDs sound "flat and shitty" because they're distortion free on a good
playback system.  You want all that distortion of worn out records and
badly duplicated analog tape.  In short, you're a moron.


Article: 334012 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 08:58:45 -0700
Message-ID: <1kqu52lnr69o9jju2dh0ho68u00sdk4817@4ax.com>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147089303.737016.6680@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 04:55:03 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>Do some back to back testing- your ears will tell you different- there
>is a difference between the 2- an SE has a more open sound than a P-P,
>if you have good hearing, you can tell right off.  You need to do your
>homework there. <snip>

Too ridiculous for me to reply!
>
>P-P has distortion that is not present in SE.  It may have the same
>amount or even less PERCENTAGE wise, but it has ODD ORDER harmonic
>distortion, which sounds quite objectionable- and is why you reach for
>the volume knob to turn it down, when it's too loud and shitty
>sounding. <snip>

As usual, he knows nothing of what he speaks.
>
>A lot depends on how good you can hear, and how old you are.  To a 70
>year old with deteriorated hearing, what does it matter ?
>
>And I admit, that will be all of us, someday. <snip>

That's YOU NOW, Noodles.


Article: 334013 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: someone needs to have their eyes checked
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 09:05:43 -0700
Message-ID: <moqu529k51nnv6eujh927r3f6qvegfj5vl@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146912777.737487.317160@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <l5GdnYDEYP0LRMHZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <AtGdnY5XL6sBMsPZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@insightbb.com> <b7ot525r29j9c4uh326t5scm11cq599evh@4ax.com> <1147069715.042412.149580@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 7 May 2006 23:28:35 -0700, "Whatever"
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>And you can thank me for reporting you as the alledged perp behind the
>spoofing. <snip>

What "spoofing?"
>
>You gave yourself away with anon poster answering the challenge made to
>you in the 8 track group. You made no posts during the entire time the
>Anon posted, or even just posted and empty post. <snip>

You're speaking of Nudo, no doubt.  You have the two confused.
>
>Your harassment knows no boundaries, and any indication that you wanted
>sympathy and to ally with the group was shattered by your obscenely
>obtuse behavior that got worse and worse. You alter your affinities
>over the pettiest of things, as if all you wanted was to take advantage
>of somebody and walk ove them to the next. <snip>

Methinks you have a cognitive disorder.

>You have become Charlie as sure as you created him, the snake that eats
>itself. <snip>

Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA, has epix.net as his ISP.  He has several
"trash" MAPI email accounts, to wit:

winchester1886@yahoo.com
nativebrookie@hotmail.com

...of which several have already been banned from Google, to wit:

trippingtoo8track@yahoo.com
trippin28track@yahoo.com
coltblackpowder@hotmail.com
powerchordg@yahoo.com
dynobot@hotmail.com

...and a few of his POP3/SMTP addys:

thenudofamily@epix.net
hsf18@epix.net (banned by Google already)
analog@epix.net
bb69@epix.net

...and probably others

I use only one "trash" account on Yahoo.

Now, what were you saying about "spoofing?"  I do not understand your
contention.


Article: 334014 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: someone needs to have their eyes checked
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 09:45:52 -0700
Message-ID: <mosu52tb0f50l2c1polt6istem7eofkaqm@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146912777.737487.317160@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <l5GdnYDEYP0LRMHZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <AtGdnY5XL6sBMsPZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@insightbb.com> <b7ot525r29j9c4uh326t5scm11cq599evh@4ax.com> <1147069715.042412.149580@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 7 May 2006 23:28:35 -0700, "Whatever"
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Subject: Re: someone needs to have their eyes checked
>Date: 7 May 2006 23:28:35 -0700
>Organization: http://groups.google.com
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>Message-ID: <1147069715.042412.149580@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
>References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com>
>   <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
>   <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
>   <1146912777.737487.317160@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
>   <l5GdnYDEYP0LRMHZRVn-qQ@giganews.com>
>   <AtGdnY5XL6sBMsPZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@insightbb.com>
>   <b7ot525r29j9c4uh326t5scm11cq599evh@4ax.com>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.58.132.121
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>X-Trace: posting.google.com 1147069720 16017 127.0.0.1 (8 May 2006 06:28:40 GMT)
>X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 06:28:40 +0000 (UTC)
>In-Reply-To: <b7ot525r29j9c4uh326t5scm11cq599evh@4ax.com>
>User-Agent: G2/0.2
>X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
>Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>Injection-Info: j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.58.132.121;
>   posting-account=LDYAvQ0AAADZRPoMd8VG8UbX6p8bk4pQ
>
>And you can thank me for reporting you as the alledged perp behind the
>spoofing. <snip>

I've done an ort's worth of research.  First of all, it is "alleged,"
not "alledged."

Second, you are another "goo goo grooper," having no direct Usenet
access, and with no real clue as to Usenet or NNTP.

Third, from your header, I can see you're in Qwest territory and
posted into "goo goo" via a Qwest server on 70.58.132.121.  If you are
inferring that somehow I am Charlie Nudo, you are incorrect in that
assumption, since my IP and his are different and it would be very
difficult, nay, impossible to access both from the same geographical
location.  ALL of Charlie Nudo's posts trace back to Epix in Dallas,
PA, a little dirtbag ISP with a small geographical service area.  Nudo
has already been thrown off of a couple of other local ISPs.  Of
course, me being almost 3K miles away, have no access to epix.net.
Thus, your assertion is patently false.

If you're going to start trying to be a "net detective," at least
learn how the system works before you start making wild accusations.
And yes, I DID check you out, thinking that there was a possibility
that you were yet another Charlie Nudo clone posting from Epix.  Such
turned out to be not the case, and you're simply laboring under a
false assumption...or something.

Having been on Usenet almost since public access was allowed, I've
seen it degenerate into a morass of slimeballs and 'tards like Charlie
Nudo and many, many others.  Opening access to the NNTP/NNRP network
by "goo goo" was probably one of the worst things ever to happen to
Usenet, ever.  It allowed legions of 'tards and trolls to have access
to Usenet, where formerly, the use of a Usenet news client and access
to an NNTP server was too "heady" and complex for them, thus keeping
them out, for the most part.  We used to have "smart" trolls...now,
there are many many times more dumb ones, like Nudo.

And you're not helping, either.


Article: 334015 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: KLH Model 8 Restoration Advice Requested
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:12:09 -0700
Message-ID: <b4uu52htbbsfdghm63ecal03hqr7tte04u@4ax.com>
References: <SZq7g.36157$Fs1.16044@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   <kels52lhq6mcjf65p5d7ljrij603ovvjna@4ax.com> <1147037072.277300.270870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <19qdnfSNWZbZDMPZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Sun, 7 May 2006 17:32:39 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

>Although the Model 8 cum Model 13 was not unique -- other companies produced
>table-top FM radio/multiplexer adapter combos (there's a Web page showing
>some of them) -- but it was the best of the lot. <snip>

KLH also fielded an array of interesting, if not totally competent,
loudspeakers, which was their main market.  Like everything else in
the US today, the name has been sold to offshore-oriented (pun
intended) concerns, and now adorns really bad, cheap car stereo
speakers that are similar in size to the old Rat Shack "Minimus 7"
speakers, which raised some eyebrows back in their day.  Although the
Minimi could produce fairly good sound for their size, they were
basically "heat sinks" in terms of efficiency, coming in down around
the low 80s.

The original KLH "bookshelf" speakers were no champs in efficiency
either, although far better than the absolute worst of them all, the
ARs.  The KLHs seemed to offer oodles of "mid-bass hump" to please
most rock and pop users, while not putting out much at all below
around 60 Hz.  Nice smooth dome tweeters, though.

Getting back tot he KLH 8/13, it was about the first time that I
remember a small, but really good sounding table radio, one that
wasn't laden with the typical distortion and bad tuner which were
standard at the time.  Frequency response was hardly wide, but well
balanced, chopping the bottom and top off equally, per Messrs.
Fletcher and Munson's theory that each should be curtailed equally to
preserve the illusion of "fidelity."  We recently saw this concept of
a "hi-fi table radio" taken over by Amar Bose's shlock shop in Noo
Hampstah, which is churning out tons of cheaply made/questionably
designed "Bose Music Centers", which, like all of Dr. Bose's product,
are merely smoke and mirrors.

Another inexplicably well sounding radio, this time a portable:  A GE,
built around 1960-61, all germanium, black heavy plastic case with
phony leather grain and top mounted leather handle, window screen
grille cloth, 4" speaker, AM/FM, flashy chromium plated grille.
Astoundinly good sound, but I think that one was probably an accident
of design.  My dad STILL has that thing, it still sounds well, and is
about the only germanium powered device I've ever seen (aside from
some German product using Amperex xsistors) in which all the
germaniums haven't gone leaky.  Drifty and fairly insensitive FM
tuner, though, even after a recap and lineup.  I've never found
another one of the same model, ever.


Article: 334016 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: someone needs to have their eyes checked
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:35:17 -0700
Message-ID: <l97v52tgskci1t90jfqrnrctmgtoe8m5ko@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146912777.737487.317160@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <l5GdnYDEYP0LRMHZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <AtGdnY5XL6sBMsPZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@insightbb.com> <b7ot525r29j9c4uh326t5scm11cq599evh@4ax.com> <1147069715.042412.149580@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147111816.453432.251230@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 11:10:16 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>he created himself, just take a look what that poor excuse for a person
>will do, to a newsgroup, if you let him- a real post whore- read down
>the titles on the page
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.collecting.8-track-tapes?lnk=li
>
>he's headed for that here as well <snip>

Noodles, your projection trick won't work, as it never has.  People
know who you are, and you came into this NG to steal information to
try to make a huge, quick profit.  That's there for all to see, so
knock off the idiotic "projection" of your own character flaws upon
others.


Article: 334017 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: someone needs to have their eyes checked
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:37:52 -0700
Message-ID: <lc7v5251rup9og4nt2mulapmrd8dbgpnv4@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146912777.737487.317160@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <l5GdnYDEYP0LRMHZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <AtGdnY5XL6sBMsPZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@insightbb.com> <b7ot525r29j9c4uh326t5scm11cq599evh@4ax.com> <1147069715.042412.149580@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147111816.453432.251230@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 11:10:16 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>he created himself, just take a look what that poor excuse for a person
>will do, to a newsgroup, <snip>

For those unenlightened enough to know, in the NG he specified, he is
"duty-honor-country," the motto of the US Army Military Acadamy at
West Point, although he never served in any branch of the US armed
forces at all.  Many other right wing whack jobs do similar things.

If you trace the IP #s, you can indeed see that "duty-honor-country"
equal "CAINE" in here and is Charlie Nudo, of Drums, PA.

Sorry, Noodles...all anyone has to do to track you down is trace where
you're posting from, and you're instantly busted.


Article: 334018 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Lynn Coffelt" <coffelt2@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Help ID Spark XMTR PLS
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:29:23 -0700
Message-ID: <e3o9jp$p4k$1@emma.aioe.org>
References: <ztmdnVsjtNhSoMPZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>


"Carl WA1KPD" <nantucketbound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ztmdnVsjtNhSoMPZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Pic on A.P.B.R.
>
> Picked this spark xmtr up at the local ham flea market this weekend and
> wonder if anyone can identify it.
> It looks like a key was part of the front and it is missing the actual
key.
>
> I presume in the bottom there was plates for a capacitor but am open to
the
> thoughts of others.
> It looks to have been commercial and I wonder if anyone has any thoughts
on
> who made it.
>
> By the way if you have really sharp eyes you will notice the price is
> $12.00. The individual selling it is a friend and when I pointed out I
> thought it was worth much more, he gave it to me !!!
>
> 73
>
>
>
> -- 
> Carl
> WA1KPD

     Well, it is an induction coil for generating a spark, but for it to be
any sort of transmitter, (except for just a noise generator) it needs to
have an RF tuning circuit coil(s)/capacitor(s).
     There were induction coils similar to yours used for the spark ignition
on really ancient gasoline engines. Sometimes there was a "safety" gap
(spark gap) provided to keep the fire from jumping around inside the
induction coil if the "high tension" output lead to the engine's spark plug
(the load) became disconnected.
     I've never seen an induction coil with such a well built spark gap used
as the "safety" gap.
     To make it clear, I sure don't know what you've got! (should have kept
quiet in the first place)
Old Chief Lynn W7LTQ




Article: 334019 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Who bends sheet-metal?
Message-ID: <t0bv52tf1a41hk5rsm0hp4mmuoctvva6ch@4ax.com>
References: <1147090800.601154.242500@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <YXG7g.83837$dW3.77969@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> <1147093699.713233.270810@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <DiI7g.39161$MM6.15535@bignews3.bellsouth.net> <445F567D.314120AC@earthlink.net> <1147119448.994399.194500@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:41:00 GMT

On 8 May 2006 13:17:29 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Much faster, cheaper and easier to build or buy a brake. Lindsay
>Publications sells plans. Several metal working magazines have ads for
>moderately priced ones. Look in race car magazines for circle track
>racers or Home Shop Machinist.


Harbor Freight has this bending brake and shear and several other
brakes

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90757
Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 334020 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <445FAD46.18C2FB43@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Who bends sheet-metal?
References: <1147090800.601154.242500@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:43:57 GMT

Bret Ludwig wrote:
> 
>  Much faster, cheaper and easier to build or buy a brake. Lindsay
> Publications sells plans. Several metal working magazines have ads for
> moderately priced ones. Look in race car magazines for circle track
> racers or Home Shop Machinist.


   Harbor Freight sells a small brake.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334021 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <445FAE24.A88A9A2@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: How to use an old RCA reel to reel deck?
References: <1147119777.766181.203560@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:47:39 GMT

petervh@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I just picked up an RCA reel to reel from a garage sale, supposedly
> from the 70's. It's a 7/12" vertical deck. It came with one reel of
> tape, and one empty reel. The full reel is on the left spindle, the
> empty reel is on the right.
> 
> I want to start using tape loops on an album i'm working on...but the
> first thing I want to do is learn how to make the thing play!
> 
> How do I hook the end of the left hand reel up to the empty right hand
> reel? How do I get the tape to catch properly so it plays?
> 
> Can't find any manuals online, so I'm hoping from some help from you
> guys.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> - Peter


   There should be a slit in the hub of the empty reel.  The end of the
tape goes there, and you turn the empty reel a couple turns to make
friction hold it in place.

   What is the model number of the tape recorder?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334022 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <445FAED2.18EA2BC5@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: WTB: working 3A3 tube
References: <kOJ7g.990$re6.617@trndny04> <1147121111.589122.52880@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:50:33 GMT

BH wrote:
> 
> Surplus Sales in NB is asking 8.00 for new ones. Should not be hard to
> beat that price however as TV tubes are not exactly demand items and
> the 3A3 was popular in its day.
> 
> Bruce


  I have 23 new 3A3C tubes in stock: file:///C|/My
Documents/_Websites/Electronics/Eptub.html make me a decent offer for
one and its yours.  your choice of GE or Westinghouse.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334023 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How to use an old RCA reel to reel deck?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 14:28:01 -0700
Message-ID: <vsdv52h1nnf0cfv7e0aldhje5mgfumtpg3@4ax.com>
References: <1147119777.766181.203560@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <445FAE24.A88A9A2@earthlink.net> <1147122760.352252.181960@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 14:12:40 -0700, petervh@gmail.com wrote:

>The model is a YLG43. I was able to get the tape locked in through your
>directions...but this brings up a couple other problems..
>
>When I press play, the tape head comes up, and the tape from the left
>hand reel gets pulled out, but the right hand reel dosen't turn, so
>it's just a big mess of tape... <snip>

Belt or clutch.

You'll also find that "tape loops" may not work too well on this
machine, due to the lack of leading/trailing guides.

You're obviously a kid.  Why aren't you doing this digitally?


Article: 334024 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The Fisher 500C is Now-SOLD-
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 14:29:50 -0700
Message-ID: <91ev52p6kn60ohcr1eff8bq5885c5b304k@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1147099927.650482.131010@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 07:52:07 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>bill that <snip>

Again, I think Noodles is lying.  He always does in cases like this,
with the item only to wind up on the market somewhere else at a later
time.


From adouglasatgis.net Fri May 12 09:53:37 EDT 2006
Article: 334025 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Alan Douglas <adouglasatgis.net>
Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Origin of BEEHIVE term?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 17:19:40 -0400
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Hi,
   I doubt if the "beehive" term was used before the 1950s or 60s. For
that matter "cathedral" is relatively new too.  In the 30s they were
"midget" or "mantel" radios.

Alan
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Article: 334026 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Kokomo Indiana Radio PICTURES
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <44594387$0$6153$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <GUb6g.930264$x96.885431@attbi_s72> <36c6g.37$WP5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <jTO7g.963650$xm3.319988@attbi_s21>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:38:23 GMT

In article <36c6g.37$WP5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>, jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com 
says...
>
>

Excellent time had by us and all that attended the Kokomo, IN radio
meet this weekend!.. 

Kokomo Pictures

Click this up to see the pictures.. 

http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/Kokomo.htm

I was a good boy... only bought one Console a Zenith 10s470
Jean was ... well almost happy with me!

John k9uwa



Article: 334027 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <445FBDC3.68B7EACD@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: How to use an old RCA reel to reel deck?
References: <1147119777.766181.203560@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:54:20 GMT

petervh@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> The model is a YLG43. I was able to get the tape locked in through your
> directions...but this brings up a couple other problems..
> 
> When I press play, the tape head comes up, and the tape from the left
> hand reel gets pulled out, but the right hand reel dosen't turn, so
> it's just a big mess of tape...
> 
> As well, when I press rewind, the left hand reel starts spinning, but
> the right hand reel dosen't move, and another big mess of tape is
> created...
> 
> Lastly, when I press fast forward, nothing moves. Actually, I believe
> the whole thing shuts off, I believe the right hand reel should be
> moving here?
> 
> Am i just doing something stupid and wrong? Or is it likely that the
> right hand reel motor is shot? Or maybe just a belt fell off?
> 
> Thanks for all the help!
> 
> - Peter


   These models use a "friction disk" AKA "slipping clutch" to drive the
take-up reel and they are usually worn badly.  Some can be adjusted to
work again, while others need the clutch material replaced. The
mechanical parts are covered in Sams TR-42, which was published in 1968.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334028 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Kutztown Roll Call
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:56:06 -0400
Message-ID: <125vfjtfpe68tdf@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1147095875.631807.235110@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

 Vermont Console Rescue will be set up at #313 IIRC, same spot as last Fall. 
I'm camping outside of Binghamton Thur. PM so I'll be there be there Friday 
by noon. Look for the white van with VT plates and a black and white 
Springer and crazy old white Corgi/Border Collie. I actually don't have too 
too much to sell, but I always have something. Plus Peter from the host club 
bought my RCA 262 off the 'Bay and I have to drop it off.

Looks like maybe some rain but no hurricane. Hopefully I'll make it though 
the auction but since I'm headed back to VT in one shot Sat. I'm not 
certain. See you all there!

John H. 




Article: 334029 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Ken Doyle" <kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com>   <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1146912777.737487.317160@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <l5GdnYDEYP0LRMHZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <1147088069.059992.146550@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: someone needs to have their eyes checked
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:00:54 -0400
Message-ID: <CvadnYjPZYPLIsLZRVn-og@giganews.com>

"CAINE" wrote;
> That's a stretch- first off, I never told anyone to f-off.

> Secondly, it was John Doe and John Doe who were the "hands that
> feed".  Both emailed me privately with tips and help.
>
> I don't believe you contributed anything to that thread.
>
> Lastly, who are you, to dictate what someone can do with their own
> property ?  Based on what, your membership on this un-moderated Google
> Group ?
>
> Are you nuts ?

(nice question)

This is the same argument you give when you outright refuse to use FA in the
header of a FA post.
By the way, Google is just one (crummy) way to access Usenet Newsgroups, but
this is NOT a Google group.  Membership?  What membership?  Get a real
newsreader and you'll see what it's really all about.

Unmoderated?  Well I guess one doesn't have to be nice in public either, but
most of us prefer not to be pricks. In society, the pricks will be asked
over and over again to comply.  Some of them will never learn and will hear
the same admonishments untill they return to the soil.


> The Fisher is sold- $475- live with it.  The SE Akai rig I have sounds
> better.  The Fisher was bought to fix up and compare.  If it performed
> better than the Akai SE, it would have replaced the Akai SE.  But that
> didn't happen.  I have dozens of stereo components here.   I can't keep
> every one I test- I'd need a storage shed the size of Madison Square
> Garden to do so.  Get a reality check !

Reality check about what?  Are you telling me to f*** off again?

Be nice, this is a hobbyist hangout.
Ken D.




Article: 334030 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <445FC5EC.67CD5C24@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: How to use an old RCA reel to reel deck?
References: <1147119777.766181.203560@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:29:09 GMT

petervh@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Ok great, thanks guys. I only paid $5 for this machine, so I don't
> think I'll go to the trouble/expense of repairing the machine. I should
> be able to find one in working condition in town with a bit of
> sleuthing.
> 
> Oh, and DesertBob, I'm hardly a 'kid', I'm 20, but I grew up in the
> casette generation, where reel to reel machines were unheard of.
> Anyway, I make a lot of music using oldish lo-fi instruments and
> devices, and I'd like to do a little bit of simple tape looping to add
> some new flavours to my music (www.myspace.com/petervanhaaften).
> 
> Anyway, thanks to all those who were helpful in this thread,
> 
> - Peter


   Don't throw it out, someone may need parts.  Good tape heads are
becoming a lot harder to find, these days, along with spare motors and
other mechanical parts.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334031 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kutztown Roll Call
References: <1147095875.631807.235110@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <rWP7g.12117$TT.334@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:49:59 GMT

I plan on being there on Saturday, if the creek don't rise. I guess the 
forecast is rain but it's a few days off and the forecast could be all 
wet. I would like some opinions on bringing down 15 Riders TV manuals, 
starting with vol 1. Do you think they would bring maybe $10 ea? Do 
fixer-uppers sell there? I'll be at booth 342, stop by and and say Hi. 
How big are the tables, 6 or 8 feet?

Mike Koste wrote:
> Who's coming and where are you traveling from? Stop by and say hello,
> and don't forget to bring your odd knobs to see if I can match them up.
> 
> Mike Koste
> Gobs of Knobs
> Ambler, PA
> 
> Booths 331-333
> 


Article: 334032 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gene" <gthompsonAT@northstarneuroDOT.com>
Subject: Re: eBay feedback meaningless
Date: 08 May 2006 19:23:35 EDT
Message-ID: <e3ojtn$87e@dispatch.concentric.net>
References: <e3ghm9$kpq@dispatch.concentric.net>

"Gene" <gthompsonAT@northstarneuroDOT.com> wrote in message
news:e3ghm9$kpq@dispatch.concentric.net...
> Hi, All.
>             This may be old news to many of you, but it
> was a revelation for me. eBay allows users to create
> as many aliases as they want. There is no obvious connection
> between aliases and they don't share feedback. The upshot of this is:
>
> 1. You cannot know who you are dealing with.
>
> 2. You cannot know the true history of anyone.
>
> 3. You cannot leave meaningful feedback, as the alias will simply be
> abandoned
> and another created if any unfavorable feedback arrives.
>
> I have been aware of eBay's history of protecting problem sellers, but
> this is a wrinkle I didn't know about.
>
> Buyer beware!
>                                              -G
>
>
Thanks, everyone for your comments.
My original post was not meant to be a troll, I was just stunned that eBay
makes
it impossible to tell the difference between a new user and someone with a
past
to hide. IIRC, years ago eBay prohibited multiple ID's for reasons much like
I outlined above,
although I could be recalling incorrectly. Several people have told me I
should simply exclude
anyone with a low feedback score, but that would be about half of my
customers, almost all of
which have been a pleasure to do business with. I have never excluded anyone
>from my auctions
for low score alone, nor refused to buy from them, and I have no plans to
start. We were all
new once! I wish that I had been aware of this policy of eBay's sooner, and
though I may
be the only clueless one, my posting here was meant to save anyone like me
>from the
unpleasant experience I had.
                                                -G




Article: 334033 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <445FD73F.1EAD3F8F@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: How to use an old RCA reel to reel deck?
References: <1147119777.766181.203560@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:43:06 GMT

petervh@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Just got some advice from a musician friend of mine on how he does his
> tapelooping. In case anyone else is interested, the guy uses two tape
> decks to do it, and it dosent matter if the second one has functioning
> motors as long as the playheads function properly....
> 
> " try the following: put both reels on your fully functional (spinning)
> taperecorder (I assume you have one). Then put the defect taperecorder
> on the right side of it, and rout the tape through it's play head
> (using the conventional pathway as much as possible, make sure there is
> good contact with the playhead. So the tape goes from the left reel of
> your functional taperecorder throught that taperecorders erase- record-
> and playheads then trhough the partially defect taperecorder and then
> back to the right reel on the fully functional recorder.
> Put the non-spinning taperecoerder on pause and put the working one on
> record+play. Now all you need is a couple of cables and your looping
> devise s functional (assuming all the heads are proper). "
> 
> This should save another reel to reel from the garbage heap...
> 
> - Peter


   I have the service data if you need it, or at least on the mechanical
parts.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334034 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: someone needs to have their eyes checked
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:49:43 -0700
Message-ID: <8qlv525082j3l966cd2lv13i1sldqsr0b0@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com>   <1146826590.413661.46410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1146831006.628741.201590@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1146912777.737487.317160@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <l5GdnYDEYP0LRMHZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <1147088069.059992.146550@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <CvadnYjPZYPLIsLZRVn-og@giganews.com>

On Mon, 8 May 2006 18:00:54 -0400, "Ken Doyle"
<kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com> wrote:


>> The Fisher is sold- $475- live with it. <snip>

Most likely a lie.

>>  The SE Akai rig I have sounds
>> better. <snip>

Another lie, or too stupid to know any better.

>>  The Fisher was bought to fix up and compare. <snip>

Another lie.  He bought it because he was cruising eBay listings for
500Cs, saw a chance to make a huge lump of profit in one scam, and
went for it, only to find it was trashed.

>> If it performed
>> better than the Akai SE, it would have replaced the Akai SE. <snip>

An iidiot sitting in his hovel, using an old Jap tape deck as a power
amp...now, THAT'S nuts!  WTF do you think a pair of 6BQ5s (sorry,
Noodles, they're not "68Q5s", like you called them for months) can
produce??  In P-P, a pair of 6BQ5s can muster maybe 12 watts, tops,
unless the plates are running absolutely at maximum rated B+ and the
tube is agressively biased.  In single-ended/parallel, MAYBE 8, and
that'd be pushing it  Just what kind of realistic sound pressure
levels can anyone expect to attain with 8 WPC?  Answer:  NONE.

>> But that
>> didn't happen.  I have dozens of stereo components here. <snip>

All fodder for the NudoFraud® Industries/66fourdoor scam machine, no
doubt.

>   I can't keep
>> every one I test- <snip>

You can't test anything, you don't know HOW to test anything and
you're a complete nincompoop.  You only recently got a handheld DVM
because you had to fix that friggin' Fisher, and the guy at your local
store sold you a cheapie cap checker.  Some tech!

>> I'd need a storage shed the size of Madison Square
>> Garden to do so.  Get a reality check !
>
>Reality check about what?  Are you telling me to f*** off again? <snip>

Charlie Nudo's the one who needs psychiatric treatment, as five years
of his posts, about 350 of which he tried to delete, easily show.  The
guy is not only nuts, but criminally inclined, as well.


Article: 334035 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Origin of BEEHIVE term?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:51:15 -0700
Message-ID: <v9mv521jj8ar3kamlrjs24k2pa09vmm1s0@4ax.com>
References: <5gH7g.7$227.6@fe04.lga> <1147099708.681855.195710@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <29dv52hist4i95s9reqbkfng3u6rm936ev@4ax.com>

On Mon, 08 May 2006 17:19:40 -0400, Alan Douglas <adouglasatgis.net>
wrote:

>Hi,
>   I doubt if the "beehive" term was used before the 1950s or 60s. For
>that matter "cathedral" is relatively new too.  In the 30s they were
>"midget" or "mantel" radios. <snip>

Grandpa called his "table" radios in the '30s.  His favorite of all
time?  An Atwater-Kent.


Article: 334036 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How to use an old RCA reel to reel deck?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:54:02 -0700
Message-ID: <vcmv521thsn6ngtrc7rujvg0is6d34laja@4ax.com>
References: <1147119777.766181.203560@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <445FAE24.A88A9A2@earthlink.net> <1147122760.352252.181960@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <445FBDC3.68B7EACD@earthlink.net> <1147125870.484052.113080@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 15:04:30 -0700, petervh@gmail.com wrote:

>Oh, and DesertBob, I'm hardly a 'kid', I'm 20 <snip>

In here, that's a KID!

>but I grew up in the
>casette generation, where reel to reel machines were unheard of. <snip>

Not so.  RTR was a high end component in home machine all through the
early '80s...ReVoxes, higher end Technics and Teacs abounded.  By that
time, 10½" reels were becoming common in consumer machines, and a few
even could do 15 IPS.  CD got rid of them almost overnight.


Article: 334037 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <44594387$0$6153$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <GUb6g.930264$x96.885431@attbi_s72> <36c6g.37$WP5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <jTO7g.963650$xm3.319988@attbi_s21>
Subject: Re: Kokomo Indiana Radio PICTURES
Message-ID: <GTQ7g.11606$EC.10969@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:55:18 GMT


"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message 
news:jTO7g.963650$xm3.319988@attbi_s21...
> In article <36c6g.37$WP5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>, jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com
> says...
>>
>>
>
> Excellent time had by us and all that attended the Kokomo, IN radio
> meet this weekend!..
>
> Kokomo Pictures
>
> Click this up to see the pictures..
>
> http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/Kokomo.htm
>
> I was a good boy... only bought one Console a Zenith 10s470
> Jean was ... well almost happy with me!
>
> John k9uwa
>

Thanks for sharing John.

Did you get the Zenith from Karl Johnson?  I saw he had one recently at another meet, 
and I see him sitting in one of your pictures.

jim menning 




Article: 334038 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How to use an old RCA reel to reel deck?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:55:43 -0700
Message-ID: <7hmv52t8o9ltciuskhe4f7ksc01vkp4b2k@4ax.com>
References: <1147119777.766181.203560@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <445FAE24.A88A9A2@earthlink.net> <1147122760.352252.181960@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <445FBDC3.68B7EACD@earthlink.net> <1147125870.484052.113080@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <445FC5EC.67CD5C24@earthlink.net>

On Mon, 08 May 2006 22:29:09 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>   Don't throw it out, someone may need parts.  Good tape heads are
>becoming a lot harder to find, these days, along with spare motors and
>other mechanical parts. <snip>

The clutches on those were a bugger, as they were on V-Ms and other
low quality home machines.  I had heard of using synthetic felt as a
clutch material on these (similar to that used in a lot of single
motored cassette decks,) but I never bothered rebuilding one.  If one
could fix the clutch, this might be a so-so- collectable for the RTR
fan.


Article: 334039 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How to use an old RCA reel to reel deck?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:56:52 -0700
Message-ID: <almv521gqr46d7516de9f6uv15t4nsan6j@4ax.com>
References: <1147119777.766181.203560@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <445FAE24.A88A9A2@earthlink.net> <1147122760.352252.181960@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <445FBDC3.68B7EACD@earthlink.net> <1147125870.484052.113080@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <445FC5EC.67CD5C24@earthlink.net> <1147129295.512086.18070@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 16:01:35 -0700, petervh@gmail.com wrote:

>" try the following: put both reels on your fully functional (spinning)
>taperecorder (I assume you have one). Then put the defect taperecorder
>on the right side of it, and rout the tape through it's play head
>(using the conventional pathway as much as possible, make sure there is
>good contact with the playhead. So the tape goes from the left reel of
>your functional taperecorder throught that taperecorders erase- record-
>and playheads then trhough the partially defect taperecorder and then
>back to the right reel on the fully functional recorder.
>Put the non-spinning taperecoerder on pause and put the working one on
>record+play. Now all you need is a couple of cables and your looping
>devise s functional (assuming all the heads are proper). " <snip>

So, it's not a tape recorder at all, but a "noise source."  Hmmmm...


Article: 334040 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Origin of BEEHIVE term?
Message-ID: <cmnv52dl6oeti5st4npbf6rthaqk0b4ha7@4ax.com>
References: <5gH7g.7$227.6@fe04.lga> <1147099708.681855.195710@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <29dv52hist4i95s9reqbkfng3u6rm936ev@4ax.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:17:16 GMT

On Mon, 08 May 2006 17:19:40 -0400, Alan Douglas <adouglasatgis.net>
wrote:

>Hi,
>   I doubt if the "beehive" term was used before the 1950s or 60s. For
>that matter "cathedral" is relatively new too.  In the 30s they were
>"midget" or "mantel" radios.

I am very skep-tical of that term. ;-)
Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 334041 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Kokomo Indiana Radio PICTURES
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <44594387$0$6153$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <GUb6g.930264$x96.885431@attbi_s72> <36c6g.37$WP5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <jTO7g.963650$xm3.319988@attbi_s21> <GTQ7g.11606$EC.10969@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <UjR7g.140328$oL.70766@attbi_s71>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:25:24 GMT

In article <GTQ7g.11606$EC.10969@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>, 
jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com says...
>
>
>Did you get the Zenith from Karl Johnson?  I saw he had one recently at 
another meet, 
>and I see him sitting in one of your pictures.
>
>jim menning 
>
>
Hi Jim .... yup I usually pick up at least one from Karl at the meets..
this time it was the 10s470 he had.. Karl and Pete ... a true team!

John



Article: 334042 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:24:38 +0900
Message-ID: <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147088976.955519.302970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com>


"John Byrns" <jbyrns@rcn.com> wrote in message 
news:jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com...
> In article <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com>,
> desertb@rglobal.net wrote:
>
>> On 8 May 2006 05:12:10 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Speakers- 1986 Technics- efficiency rating 93db/w/m printed right on
>> >the front
>> >
>> >15" woofer
>> >3" mid
>> >1.5" tweeter <snip>
>>
>> And, of course, Jap speakers SUCK.  And, at 5 watts, he'll get an
>> ASTOUNDING  105 dB/w/m with the amps at clipping!
>
> Bob, you are suffering a serious case of brain fade, but then that is not
> surprising, check your math and units.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> John Byrns

By my math, he's a bit high. Figuring 3dB per doubling of the power, I get 
96dB/m at 2 watts, 99dB/m at 4 watts. So at 5 watts, it would be ~100dB/m.. 
would need 16 watts to get 105dB/m.





Article: 334043 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <1147095875.631807.235110@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Kutztown Roll Call
Message-ID: <WiS7g.24423$ZQ3.5336@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 01:32:38 GMT

Ill get there mid afternoon or so Friday, have to put in a half day of work 
before driving down!
Im with Al Anderson and his tables are in the middle about a third of the 
way down.  Im hoping to make it through the auction too...

I AM bringing the Majestic 90 Lowboy, I cant really see having THREE Of them 
and at $20 Im sure it will go, and if not it will go in the auction.  Happy 
to trade it for ??? console if anyone is interested.

Yea.... it looks like alot of rain, but since the Hurricane the weather 
there has been better than forcast and it WONT be another tropical storm. 
The pavilion idea is stellar!

Keith

"Mike Koste" <michael.koste@zurichna.com> wrote in message 
news:1147095875.631807.235110@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Who's coming and where are you traveling from? Stop by and say hello,
> and don't forget to bring your odd knobs to see if I can match them up.
>
> Mike Koste
> Gobs of Knobs
> Ambler, PA
>
> Booths 331-333
> 




Article: 334044 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A Dirty Zenith
Message-ID: <JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 01:34:33 GMT

I have a 6 G 601 D that is very similar,  Im bringing it to Kutztown to sell 
CHEAP.
Its missing the front cover though.

Keith


"RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> No, the radio doesn't play pornographic shows.   Here it is.
>
> http://radioatticarchives.com/images/z/Zenith_6-G-610M_(1941)_Fullmer.jpg
>
> This is not it, but one just like it I picked up at a Ham Radio flea
> market.   Going to need the usual inside revamping, but the case is
> dirty.  No bumps and bruises, at least none that I can see, just dirty.
> The question is how can this be cleaned safely and maybe be brought
> back to it's original luster as best as possible?
>
> Thanks to Radio Attic archives, and thanks to all for your help.
>
> GB
> 




Article: 334045 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147089303.737016.6680@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1kqu52lnr69o9jju2dh0ho68u00sdk4817@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <MFS7g.329$y4.117@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 01:57:00 GMT


>>P-P has distortion that is not present in SE.  It may have the same
>>amount or even less PERCENTAGE wise, but it has ODD ORDER harmonic
>>distortion, which sounds quite objectionable- and is why you reach for
>>the volume knob to turn it down, when it's too loud and shitty
>>sounding. <snip>
> 
> 
> As usual, he knows nothing of what he speaks.
> 
Not totally clueless, he did get the above quoted part reasonably 
correct.  For the same amount of "yuckness" the 2nd harmonic needs to be 
about 10dB higher than the 3rd harmonic, at least with my ears.  At 
around 35 dB down levels.


Article: 334046 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Origin of BEEHIVE term?
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:53:27 -0600
Message-ID: <25525-445FF617-2341@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <29dv52hist4i95s9reqbkfng3u6rm936ev@4ax.com>

In the 30s they were "midget" or "mantel" radios. 
Alan

I cant relate a Philco 90 as a ``midget``



Article: 334047 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
Subject: WANTED, Leutz/General Radio Knob
Message-ID: <KQS7g.17556$P65.8121@southeast.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 02:08:42 GMT

Here again is my semi regular wanted posting for a very special radio knob.

http://radioheaven.homestead.com/grknob.html

This type of knob was commonly used on early 20s Leutz super-het kits sold
by the Experimenters Information Service.
The knob is a combination of a large General Radio main knob and a 4 inch
numbered skirt installed at the E.I.S. shop.

I now need only ONE of these knobs to complete a Leutz super-het restoration
project.

I will gladly pay $50 for the correct knob in good condition.

PLEASE check your junk boxes and see if you have any of these knobs laying
around.

Thanks & 73,

Ron

Radio Collection Web Page,
http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com










Article: 334048 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "John Powers" <johnpowers6@earthlink.net>
References: <SZq7g.36157$Fs1.16044@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   <kels52lhq6mcjf65p5d7ljrij603ovvjna@4ax.com> <1147037072.277300.270870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <19qdnfSNWZbZDMPZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: KLH Model 8 Restoration Advice Requested
Message-ID: <3SS7g.244$x4.16@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 02:10:07 GMT

Since you mention the radio/multiplexer combos, I'm curious about the 
multiplexer jack on my Fisher 500. I've never seen a multiplexer unit for 
one of these, although I do recall seeing schematics for one at some point. 
Have any of you seen one for a 500? Did it also come with another amp or 
were the MPX and Amp in the same unit?

JP


"William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:19qdnfSNWZbZDMPZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> A very nice radio indeed and well worth using it as an everyday radio.
>> I use mine with its model 18 multiplexer for stereo operation.
>> Performance is simply outstanding. Thanks again for the multiplexer,
>> William.
>
> You're welcome. Glad you like it!
>
> Although the Model 8 cum Model 13 was not unique -- other companies 
> produced
> table-top FM radio/multiplexer adapter combos (there's a Web page showing
> some of them) -- but it was the best of the lot.
>
> 




Article: 334049 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Who bends sheet-metal?
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:16:59 -0600
Message-ID: <25525-445FFB9B-2345@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1147121320.969916.70840@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

I have one of those Harbor Freight 8`` mini breaks but never messed with
it . I dont even know fully how to use it . The handle is missing . it
was 10$ and it weighs 50 pounds 



Article: 334050 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:38:59 +0900
Message-ID: <e3ov8b$fb6$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>   <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com>   <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net>   <1147089303.737016.6680@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   <1kqu52lnr69o9jju2dh0ho68u00sdk4817@4ax.com>   <MFS7g.329$y4.117@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147141329.315009.277950@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>


"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1147141329.315009.277950@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> That isn't my problem. KSRV just changed power/pattern and landed about
> that much different in frequency, such that I had to do a major retune
> of the analog JVC that I never touched. I'm going to talk to the new
> engineer about what it is they do with only two towers that could
> bother a listener only 1/2 a mile south of a 5 kw station. I listen a
> lot and that mattered.
>

You'd be surprised what they can do with phasing and two towers. There are 
stations in Portland that can put such a strong null in one direction that 
you can't hear them at night there in town.




Article: 334051 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: I got a new radio
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:32:32 -0600
Message-ID: <25526-445FFF40-637@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1147120327.997645.88750@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

This group is for old radios 



Article: 334052 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
Subject: Isolation transformer
Message-ID: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:07:59 -0500

        All the recent talk about isolation transformers prompted me to
haul out the 1000VA unit I have here, and an old PA amp
chassis and cover to mount it on.  (It has exposed top terminals
for both windings.)  It also will nicely accomadate a 40W series load
lamp.
    I also dug out a nice 3A full scale DC ammeter, and plan to use
it with a solid state bridge rectifier to monitor the current draw.
    If I understand the math correctly, any readings would have to be
multiplied by 1.41 to get the real current measurement.  Is that correct?
    Question is... is there any way to get the ammeter to give
accurate readings?  Would a cap across its DC input make any
useful difference?
    Cheers,
    Nelson





Article: 334053 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: A Dirty Zenith
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:49:16 +0900
Message-ID: <e3p3c4$gks$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com>


"Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>I have a 6 G 601 D that is very similar,  Im bringing it to Kutztown to 
>sell CHEAP.
> Its missing the front cover though.
>
> Keith
>

How cheap is cheap? I can't come to Kutztown (don't I WISH)... but maybe 
some deal can be struck.





Article: 334054 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net>
References: <1146973898.894683.60420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <20607-445E1D52-1900@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: The posessed radio, final outcome
Message-ID: <0yy7g.16492$XV5.1674@fed1read10>
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:03:23 -0700

or an em pinball machine, or any slot machine!!!!!!!!!!!!

bob in phx
"Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:20607-445E1D52-1900@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
> Glad you got it .... Try restoring a jukebox , talk about multiple
> problems .
> 




Article: 334055 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:15:13 -0700
Message-ID: <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com>
References: <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147088976.955519.302970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net>

On Tue, 9 May 2006 10:24:38 +0900, "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
wrote:

>By my math, he's a bit high. Figuring 3dB per doubling of the power, I get 
>96dB/m at 2 watts, 99dB/m at 4 watts. So at 5 watts, it would be ~100dB/m.. 
>would need 16 watts to get 105dB/m. <snip>

Reread my earlier post about the expected output of those little ratty
tape recorder power amps...8 WPC.  At 8 watts, each speaker, assuming
93dBA/W/m should yield exactly what I said.  Why I typed 5, I have no
clue, and it is, indeed, in error.  Sorry about that!


Article: 334056 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: KLH Model 8 Restoration Advice Requested
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:16:59 -0700
Message-ID: <asc0621or86ffe0u6jeg0tq8a6edbuh6mr@4ax.com>
References: <SZq7g.36157$Fs1.16044@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   <kels52lhq6mcjf65p5d7ljrij603ovvjna@4ax.com> <1147037072.277300.270870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <19qdnfSNWZbZDMPZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <b4uu52htbbsfdghm63ecal03hqr7tte04u@4ax.com> <8vCdnbI3_LmeRMLZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <jbyrns-0805062016580001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com>

On Mon, 08 May 2006 20:16:57 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>It's been a while since I thought much about speakers, but don't you let
>the woofer Q go a bit -higher- than it should , for some of the thump rock
>listeners like? <snip>

I would think that Fs would be the parameter to watch to zero in on
that.  Many of these systems had their ports tuned purposely above Fs
to get that "humpy" mid-bass while still at least being able to extend
output below free air Fs.


Article: 334057 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Please pardon the intrusion/ we seem to have a similar infection
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:27:40 -0700
Message-ID: <i6d062dkbsm12hid29de9rl4j6o53t4k1s@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1147099927.650482.131010@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <91ev52p6kn60ohcr1eff8bq5885c5b304k@4ax.com> <1147149345.497627.298470@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 8 May 2006 21:35:45 -0700, BellinghamCPA@gmail.com wrote:

>DesertTBob/Charlie Nudos is annoying us NFL junkies as well, by, of all
>things, posting Ebay links to silly postcard auctions in a football
>discussion newsgroup. <snip>

Let's get one thing clear right now.  I am DeserTBoB.  Charlie Nudo is
a bunch of other things.  I am not Charlie Nudo, nor do I have any way
to access any epix.net server.  He has, on several ocassions, usurped
my user name, usually as DeserTBob Jr, or DeserTBoB.  One of his "goo
goo" spam accounts was shut down because of it.
>
>And, of course, you folks are correct.  DesertT/Noodles is a liar.  I
>clicked "DesertTBob"'s link for his silly auction which is here- 
>
>http://tinyurl.com/qtjsk <snip>

Yes, that's a Charlie Nudo auction.  In your particular newsgroup, he
was probably using my name as a spoof, but as "DeserTBob Jr," thinking
he's posing as me.  Please recheck the posts.  Mine will either show
up as "DeserTBoB" as the user name, or desertbob93535@yahoo.com at
times on "goo goo groopz" if I'm chasing him around to post spam or
fraud warnings on him.  I sometimes post into "goo goo groopz"
directly as an expedient to posting rat-out posts against Nudo.  In
either event, the NNTP host will always point to blocks from my ISP,
not epix.net, which all of Charlie Nudo's come from.  Some people in
here do not seem to get that fact.

>and then sent a note to the seller, "Charlie Nudos", which ebay
>confirmed by copying this to me:
>
>To: thenudofamily@epix.net
>Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:14 PM
>Subject: Question for item #6277369233 - 44 FLORIDA
>POSTCARDS-1929-1965-TOWNVIEWS-FREE
>SHIPPING-
>
>                          eBay sent this message to Charlie Nudo
>(66fourdoor).
>                          Your registered name is included to show this
>message
>originated from eBay. Learn more.
>
>...and now, I've been receiving email from DesertTBoB/Charlie via his
>"nudofamily" addy until I blocked him as sender. <snip>

You haven't blocked me, since I'm not Charlie Nudo.
>
>I may check back here at some point-  haven't thought about tubes since
>I built my ST-70 eons ago, and STILL miss it's sweetness. <snip>

One of Dave Hafler's "perfect" amps...best sound for the bucks, bar
none.


Article: 334058 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:32:49 -0700
Message-ID: <4kd0625bgv77bt8c34ovtq7qif6oqvlecq@4ax.com>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147089303.737016.6680@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1kqu52lnr69o9jju2dh0ho68u00sdk4817@4ax.com> <MFS7g.329$y4.117@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Tue, 09 May 2006 01:57:00 GMT, robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>
>>>P-P has distortion that is not present in SE.  It may have the same
>>>amount or even less PERCENTAGE wise, but it has ODD ORDER harmonic
>>>distortion, which sounds quite objectionable- and is why you reach for
>>>the volume knob to turn it down, when it's too loud and shitty
>>>sounding. <snip>
>> 
>> 
>> As usual, he knows nothing of what he speaks.
>> 
>Not totally clueless, he did get the above quoted part reasonably 
>correct.  For the same amount of "yuckness" the 2nd harmonic needs to be 
>about 10dB higher than the 3rd harmonic, at least with my ears.  At 
>around 35 dB down levels. <snip>

I find any amplified signal with 2nd harmonic above 45 dB below the
fundamental (using single tone from a Krohn-Hite low distortion source
and or 3 dB down from rated power) to be artificially "colored" or
"bright" in tonality.  Of course, 3rd harmonic products are not
multiples of the tonic tone being reproduced and will sound
discordant.  High odd harmonic content, however, is very prevalent in
various musical instruments. In the clarinet, for one, the third
harmonic of the fundamental is actually about 10 dB higher than the
fundamental, which isn't supported by the too short air column of the
instrument.

Safe to say, Charlie Nudo understands none of this, and simply parrots
snippets of this ongoing discussion from various "audiophool" NGs he
also infects from time to time.


Article: 334059 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:08:26 -0700
Message-ID: <60e062p3s8ejn5o8adjn1suurg14ul3bh3@4ax.com>
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On Tue, 9 May 2006 11:38:59 +0900, "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
wrote:

>You'd be surprised what they can do with phasing and two towers. There are 
>stations in Portland that can put such a strong null in one direction that 
>you can't hear them at night there in town. <snip>

Which, of course, is by design.  Night patterns on the 50KW KRLA up in
the "regional" part of the band at 1110 KHz with a 5 tower array, were
mind boggling to plot.  To the due east at sundown, that 50KW would
simply disappear, but if you were 20 miles east and traveled 5 miles
north from that point, it'd boom in at full quieting.  Further, if you
circumnavigated the towers doing a pattern plot, you'd come up with no
fewer than 16 full nulls!

While KRLA was a '50s (and later) legend in the LA AM market, it was
hard to sell advertising in many parts of the market due to its
off-the-wall pattern.  Oft times, advertisers couldn't get the station
when only a couple miles from the towers, so, why would they advertise
with them?  Card rates for KRLA, despite their claim of 50KW daytime
(20 DA-2 at night), were always far lower than what one would've
expected.  KFI, the competing "clear" down at 640, easily bested
KRLA's ad rates by at least 10 times per spot.  Of course, you could
advertise to nine western states (and some easterns in the winter) on
KFI.  Of course, now that their "big stick" is gone, KFI is just
basically another "regional" except at night.

I think, but not sure, KRLA was one of the few 50KW stations that far
up the band, and they also had to run directional daytime as well, but
with a four tower array.  A screwy arrangement, for sure.  Bob Hope
bought it back in '79 as a play toy for his daughter, and the "KRLA"
era was over.  It's now a Disney outlet, but since ABC Radio has shut
down, I'm not sure what they're doing, if anything.  Back in '87, the
El Monte five tower array was junked when the new Irwindale in-line
array was built and proven.  AFAIK, the new array has a much smoother
pattern.


Article: 334060 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 05:49:09 -0400
Message-ID: <1260pcppu14cl59@corp.supernews.com>
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robert casey wrote:

> 
>>> P-P has distortion that is not present in SE.  It may have the same
>>> amount or even less PERCENTAGE wise, but it has ODD ORDER harmonic
>>> distortion, which sounds quite objectionable- and is why you reach for
>>> the volume knob to turn it down, when it's too loud and shitty
>>> sounding. <snip>
>>
>>
>>
>> As usual, he knows nothing of what he speaks.
>>
> Not totally clueless, he did get the above quoted part reasonably 
> correct.  For the same amount of "yuckness" the 2nd harmonic needs to be 
> about 10dB higher than the 3rd harmonic, at least with my ears.  At 
> around 35 dB down levels.

Where do third order products play into this evaluation?  Third order 
junk increases very non-linearly once you get into the distrotion range 
and will quickly exceed harmonic distortions.

-Bill


Article: 334061 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bill Morris" <zac@mw.net>
References: <1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A Dirty Zenith
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 06:06:02 -0400
Message-ID: <44606988$0$6146$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>

I had a 5G500 that was dark brown from age.  I took a rag and soaked it in 
Windex--wet to the point where it was about to drip--and I started going 
over the airplane cloth.  The dirt literally peeled away.


"RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> No, the radio doesn't play pornographic shows.   Here it is.
>
> http://radioatticarchives.com/images/z/Zenith_6-G-610M_(1941)_Fullmer.jpg
>
> This is not it, but one just like it I picked up at a Ham Radio flea
> market.   Going to need the usual inside revamping, but the case is
> dirty.  No bumps and bruises, at least none that I can see, just dirty.
> The question is how can this be cleaned safely and maybe be brought
> back to it's original luster as best as possible?
>
> Thanks to Radio Attic archives, and thanks to all for your help.
>
> GB
> 




Article: 334062 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga>
Message-ID: <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:10:58 GMT



Nelson Gietz wrote:

>         All the recent talk about isolation transformers prompted me to
> haul out the 1000VA unit I have here, and an old PA amp
> chassis and cover to mount it on.  (It has exposed top terminals
> for both windings.)  It also will nicely accomadate a 40W series load
> lamp.
>     I also dug out a nice 3A full scale DC ammeter, and plan to use
> it with a solid state bridge rectifier to monitor the current draw.
>     If I understand the math correctly, any readings would have to be
> multiplied by 1.41 to get the real current measurement.  Is that correct?
>     Question is... is there any way to get the ammeter to give
> accurate readings?  Would a cap across its DC input make any
> useful difference?

Think about this for a minute.

Using a bridge rectifier, put the DC amp meter across the + and -
terminals of the bridge and put the AC terminals in SERIES with the
load.

The diodes are in series and have nothing to do with the peak voltage
as you would see in a typical rectifier circuit. They will typically
drop 0.7 + 0.7 Volts when conducting. This amounts to less than 1%
of the peak voltage.

In other words, the "insertion loss" of the meter in the actual
circuit between the source (wall outlet) and load (unit under test)
is negligible.

Secondly, the physical inertial of the meter should take care of the
"ripple." If you intend on putting a capacitor across the meter, it
will need to be a fairly large value, although not much voltage.

The voltage across the meter is under a volt, and the capacitance that
would be required to filter that would be closer to farads rather than
micro farads.

Jeff
-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 334063 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
Message-ID: <pP08g.9268$Nk3.7802@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:29:57 GMT

http://boners.com/grub/796314.html

Jeff

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 334064 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga>   <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Y218g.17261$Sl4.7394@bignews1.bellsouth.net>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:47:34 -0500

Peter Wieck wrote:
> UM..... UM.....
> 
> Would not putting a bridge in series with an AC line stop the line dead
> in its tracks?
> 
>                      AC
>                       \/
>           --->I-------I------>I----
>  DC -  I                           I  DC+
>           --->I-------I------>I----
>                       /\
>                      AC
> 
> At least how I read diodes...... 
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 
> 
You don't put the bridge in series with the AC line.  You put it in 
series with the meter.  The whole meter circuit is in parallel with a 
low resistance shunt and actually reads the voltage drop across the 
resistance of the shunt.  The shunt is in series with the AC load.

AC will not drive a normal moving coil meter properly.  It is a strictly 
DC device.  The needle would just vibrate if fed AC.

jak



Article: 334065 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Kutztown Roll Call
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:41:51 -0600
Message-ID: <22126-44609C1F-2054@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1147095875.631807.235110@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Is this meet over ?  if not could one of you please look for a big
plastic escutcheon for a Philco 16B tombstone for me like the one on
this radio of Pauls on the radio attic
http://radioatticarchives.com/images/p/Philco_16B_(1934)_Turney.jpg

Thanks 



Article: 334066 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga>   <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:00:39 GMT

The amp meter is a very low resistance.
Look at the diode and resistor series path like this.

0---|<|---/\/\/---|<|---o

For one direction. (the diodes are reversed for the other
direction of the AC cycle)

The resistance value is in the order of miliohms, so it has
a minial dropping effect to the load.

Jeff

Peter Wieck wrote:
> UM..... UM.....
> 
> Would not putting a bridge in series with an AC line stop the line dead
> in its tracks?
> 
>                      AC
>                       \/
>           --->I-------I------>I----
>  DC -  I                           I  DC+
>           --->I-------I------>I----
>                       /\
>                      AC
> 
> At least how I read diodes...... 
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 334067 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga>   <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
Message-ID: <sA18g.52807$uZ.7368@newsfe16.lga>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:24:00 -0500


"Jeffrey D Angus" <jangus@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> The amp meter is a very low resistance.
> Look at the diode and resistor series path like this.
>
> 0---|<|---/\/\/---|<|---o
>
> For one direction. (the diodes are reversed for the other
> direction of the AC cycle)
>
> The resistance value is in the order of miliohms, so it has
> a minial dropping effect to the load.
>
> Jeff
>
> Peter Wieck wrote:
> > UM..... UM.....
> >
> > Would not putting a bridge in series with an AC line stop the line dead
> > in its tracks?
> >
> >                      AC
> >                       \/
> >           --->I-------I------>I----
> >  DC -  I                           I  DC+
> >           --->I-------I------>I----
> >                       /\
> >                      AC
> >
> > At least how I read diodes......
> >
> > Peter Wieck
> > Wyncote, PA

Guys,
    Basically, I want to monitor the current draw of the load... not many
radios would (should) draw more than 300 watts.  Most of the parts on hand
are 3A devices.
    I did a clip lead lash-up, fed by the secondary of the isolation
transformer.  Basically, I used a silicon bridge with the AC terminals
connected in series with the load, and the DC output feeding the meter.  The
meter (with a 100 watt light bulb) gave approximately correct readings, with
no discernible needle vibration.
    I just wanted to find out whether the meter would read .707 of the
current, or 1.41.  I don't trust a stock 100 watt bulb as a calibration
device.
    Cheers,
    Nelson








Article: 334068 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Please pardon the intrusion/ we seem to have a similar infection
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 07:29:53 -0700
Message-ID: <up9162tp7plmul9t3j1ieckmj8oa04nodr@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1147099927.650482.131010@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <91ev52p6kn60ohcr1eff8bq5885c5b304k@4ax.com> <1147149345.497627.298470@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147150516.240391.270160@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147172169.162186.92210@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 03:56:09 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>he solves an "intrusion" into his own un-moderated group, by invading
>another...
>
>what does the Miami Dolphins group posting problems,  have to do with
>antique radios ?
>
>DYOFDW <snip>

Noodles outted again as a spammer and general troll.

Hear from Hotmail yet, Noodles?  You will.


Article: 334069 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Richard Kanarek <FirstInitialthenLastName@spamcop.net>
Subject: Re: Who bends sheet-metal?
Message-ID: <ou9162l3fa5vlhii60l4pgiv7plgsf17ie@4ax.com>
References: <1147090800.601154.242500@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:30:21 GMT

Greetings,

Submitted simply for your/general consideration:

www.emachineshop.com


Cordially,
Richard Kanarek



On 8 May 2006 05:20:00 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>I am looking for a small flanged-metal enclosure, about 3" high  by
>perhaps 4" square, open at the bottom but with two flanges. Is there a
>source on the net and/or someone who does onesies-twosies?
>
>I am building a capacitor enclosure for my Scott LK-150, replacing four
>multi-stage caps with all separates. But as I do not like lethal
>voltages above the chassis, I would like to enclose it, and make it
>look decent as well. I do not want to drill the chassis but to reuse
>the same rivet-holes as the present caps now use.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Peter Wieck
>Wyncote, PA



Article: 334070 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 07:32:56 -0700
Message-ID: <nv9162hehf4hghfg87joouhaifsm13f1cu@4ax.com>
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147089303.737016.6680@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1kqu52lnr69o9jju2dh0ho68u00sdk4817@4ax.com> <MFS7g.329$y4.117@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1260pcppu14cl59@corp.supernews.com>

On Tue, 09 May 2006 05:49:09 -0400, - exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote:

>Where do third order products play into this evaluation?  Third order 
>junk increases very non-linearly once you get into the distrotion range 
>and will quickly exceed harmonic distortions. <snip>

Third harmonic distortion IS harmonic distortion by definition.


Article: 334071 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <pP08g.9268$Nk3.7802@tornado.socal.rr.com> <ifb162hatg7b13594t3jo3rkoces80obr0@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
Message-ID: <Lq28g.3500$0d3.1332@trnddc08>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:20:11 GMT

Okay, since stopping this is an impossibility, my vote is to leave all the 
flaming, name-calling threads here, and move the radio-related conversations 
elsewhere.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Beerbarrel" <beerbarrel@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:ifb162hatg7b13594t3jo3rkoces80obr0@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 13:29:57 GMT, Jeffrey D Angus
> <jangus@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>http://boners.com/grub/796314.html
>>
>>Jeff
>
>
>
> I smell a lawsuit! hehehehehe
> __________________________________________________________
>
> KE4ODD
>
> It's Christianity vs. Islam. Let's get this party started! 




Article: 334072 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Uncle Peter" <radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM>
References: <20060508045749.7527317106@mail.cypherpunks.to>   <1147066838.131319.250000@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147067031.673293.228840@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: I got a new radio
Message-ID: <Ns28g.23914$fG3.22509@dukeread09>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:22:19 -0400

Steven

Go OD on something.

"Whatever" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1147067031.673293.228840@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> That is SO theatening, Bob. YAY
>




Article: 334073 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
Message-ID: <4vc16219m4cputrfif0kq18lda5ejia3mp@4ax.com>
References: <pP08g.9268$Nk3.7802@tornado.socal.rr.com> <ifb162hatg7b13594t3jo3rkoces80obr0@4ax.com> <Lq28g.3500$0d3.1332@trnddc08>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:24:57 -0400

On Tue, 09 May 2006 15:20:11 GMT, "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Okay, since stopping this is an impossibility, my vote is to leave all the 
>flaming, name-calling threads here, and move the radio-related conversations 
>elsewhere.


Goodluck!
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 334074 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: I got a new radio
Message-ID: <b3d162tk8s5p9tifbnbt51ot79c1m391rk@4ax.com>
References: <20060508045749.7527317106@mail.cypherpunks.to>   <1147066838.131319.250000@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147067031.673293.228840@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <Ns28g.23914$fG3.22509@dukeread09>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:26:01 -0400

On Tue, 9 May 2006 11:22:19 -0400, " Uncle Peter"
<radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM> wrote:

>Steven
>
>Go OD on something.
>
>"Whatever" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1147067031.673293.228840@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> That is SO theatening, Bob. YAY
>>
>


Like a big bowl of Chirizo con Queso!
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 334075 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Message-ID: <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com>
References: <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147088976.955519.302970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:45:47 -0400


If 1 watt yields 93 db then what does 3db equal?




On 9 May 2006 08:34:35 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>John Byrns wrote:
>> In article <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com>,
>> desertb@rglobal.net wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 9 May 2006 10:24:38 +0900, "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >By my math, he's a bit high. Figuring 3dB per doubling of the power, I get
>> > >96dB/m at 2 watts, 99dB/m at 4 watts. So at 5 watts, it would be ~100dB/m..
>> > >would need 16 watts to get 105dB/m. <snip>
>> >
>> > Reread my earlier post about the expected output of those little ratty
>> > tape recorder power amps...8 WPC.  At 8 watts, each speaker, assuming
>> > 93dBA/W/m should yield exactly what I said.  Why I typed 5, I have no
>> > clue, and it is, indeed, in error.  Sorry about that!
>>
>> Bob, you are just digging yourself in deeper, the brain fade is getting
>> worse.  Besides trying to ignore your problem with units, your math is
>> still flawed.  8 Watts is 9 dB above 1 Watt, 93 plus 9 equals 102, it does
>> not "yield exactly" what you said, which was "105 dB/w/m".  Does this
>> represent the accuracy level of all your posts?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Byrns
>>
>>
>> Surf my web pages at,  http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/
>
>
>good post John.  Accuracy and the poster you refer to, get along like
>the Bismarck and the Hood- the poster being the Hood.
>
>On the issue of the loudness of this setup- it's loud enough that you
>can't talk in the room without yelling, otherwise the other person
>won't hear you.
>
>100 dB is plenty LOUD enough !
>
>I haven't measured it with a SPL meter yet, but doing the math, 1 watt
>yields 93 db, 2 watts yields 96 db, 4 watt yields 99 db, 8 watts would
>yield the 102 db, but being this is 6 WPC, it's around 100 db.  You are
>correct, each time the wattage output is doubled, it adds 3 db- funny
>how the "expert" troll does't know basic electronics formulas-
>
>he thinks ohm's law carries a stiff fine !  (chuckle...)
>
>this is why the first watt is so important- and efficient speakers- one
>watt already puts it at 93dB- which isn't exactly quiet- according to
>OSHA standards, a sound level that high on a constant basis, requires
>ear protection !
>
>now, if I had crappy new bookshelf speakers with 80 db/w/m rating, this
>would never work- fortunately I got these speakers back when Technics
>still made a decent consumer priced units, in 1986
>
>if I wanted ear-splitting volume, I could always hook up my NAD 2200
>power envelope amp, rated at 400 WPC- 800 watts total, at 4 ohms- but
>why punish my ears ?  I don't want to go deaf, just want to enjoy the
>music and hear the detail
>
>and to be totally honest, I get more listening pleasure and detail from
>those 6 watts, then I ever got from the NAD with 400 WPC- transistor
>watts aren't real watts, you can rarely turn a transistor unit up
>beyond half way, without the distortion becoming intolerable

__________________________________________________________

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Article: 334076 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: A.Melon <juicy@melontraffickers.com>
Subject: Can I fuck you in the ass?
Message-ID: <894415c1aa1e7850f6fc4672f490578c@melontraffickers.com>
Date: Tue,  9 May 2006 09:31:03 -0700 (PDT)

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Article: 334077 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga>   <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <4460A857.6066526A@earthlink.net> <1147187247.891397.99910@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <iT28g.9281$Nk3.6669@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:50:38 GMT

Peter Wieck wrote:
> Now, that makes sense. Just getting past the semantic leap and seeing
> the meter sitting across the diodes. But the meter carries all the
> current? So adding overload protection diodes solves that issue?
> 
> Thanks!

Actually, all four diodes and the meter carry the current. The
diodes have a 50% duty cycle based on the AC polarity.

The additional two diodes (if used) connected
0---|<|---o
   |-|>|-|

Across the meter would keep the meter movement from suffering
any damage from an accidental short (spike in the current) by
limiting the voltage drop ACROSS the meter to .6 Volts Peak to
Peak.

Being an Amp meter, there's a very LOW voltage drop across it to
begin with.

Jeff

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Article: 334078 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4460BC3E.ADF95808@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: I got a new radio
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:00:34 GMT

Beerbarrel wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 9 May 2006 11:22:19 -0400, " Uncle Peter"
> <radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM> wrote:
> 
> >Steven
> >
> >Go OD on something.
> >
> >"Whatever" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:1147067031.673293.228840@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> That is SO theatening, Bob. YAY
> >>
> >
> 
> Like a big bowl of Chirizo con Queso!


   Or a 55 gallon drum of troll chow? 


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Article: 334079 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:04:50 -0700
Message-ID: <0cf162958dp93kj5pjmrv6b7maq8i61036@4ax.com>
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On Tue, 09 May 2006 10:19:31 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>Bob, you are just digging yourself in deeper, the brain fade is getting
>worse.  Besides trying to ignore your problem with units, your math is
>still flawed.  8 Watts is 9 dB above 1 Watt, 93 plus 9 equals 102, it does
>not "yield exactly" what you said, which was "105 dB/w/m".  Does this
>represent the accuracy level of all your posts? <snip>

Yes, you are correct.

You're also an asswipe.


Article: 334080 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:08:17 -0700
Message-ID: <5df162lc0sjl6v26givp0do4s6fl0bbbg4@4ax.com>
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On 9 May 2006 08:34:35 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>good post John.  Accuracy and the poster you refer to, get along like
>the Bismarck and the Hood- the poster being the Hood. <snip>

Shut the hell up, Noodles.  You don't even know what's being
discussed.
>
>On the issue of the loudness of this setup- it's loud enough that you
>can't talk in the room without yelling, otherwise the other person
>won't hear you.
>
>100 dB is plenty LOUD enough ! <snip>

Not on peaks, it's not...not by a long shot.
>
>I haven't measured it with a SPL meter yet, but doing the math, 1 watt
>yields 93 db, 2 watts yields 96 db, 4 watt yields 99 db, 8 watts would
>yield the 102 db, but being this is 6 WPC, it's around 100 db.  You are
>correct, each time the wattage output is doubled, it adds 3 db- funny
>how the "expert" troll does't know basic electronics formulas- <snip>

Duh...doubling of power is 3.01 dB.  You only parrot that because
you've lifted knowledge from others.  I screwed up.  I guess it's
because I'm so busy posting "stop the spammer" posts to follow all
your eBay spam, I didn't think!
>
>he thinks ohm's law carries a stiff fine !  (chuckle...) <snip>

You don't even KNOW Ohm's Law...moron.
>
>this is why the first watt is so important- and efficient speakers- one
>watt already puts it at 93dB- which isn't exactly quiet- according to
>OSHA standards, a sound level that high on a constant basis, requires
>ear protection ! <snip>

63 dB/W/M is hardly all that "efficient."
>
>now, if I had crappy new bookshelf speakers with 80 db/w/m rating, this
>would never work- fortunately I got these speakers back when Technics
>still made a decent consumer priced units, in 1986 <snip>

They sound like crap.  All Japanese speakers from the '80s do.
>
>if I wanted ear-splitting volume, I could always hook up my NAD 2200
>power envelope amp, rated at 400 WPC- 800 watts total, at 4 ohms- but
>why punish my ears ?  I don't want to go deaf, just want to enjoy the
>music and hear the detail <snip>

Your idea of "detail" is lots and lots of distortion.
>
>and to be totally honest, I get more listening pleasure and detail from
>those 6 watts, then I ever got from the NAD with 400 WPC- transistor
>watts aren't real watts, you can rarely turn a transistor unit up
>beyond half way, without the distortion becoming intolerable <snip>

Oh brother...LMAO!


Article: 334081 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:09:17 -0700
Message-ID: <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com>
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On Tue, 09 May 2006 11:45:47 -0400, Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>If 1 watt yields 93 db then what does 3db equal? <snip>

Depends on whether it's + or -, which would be either doubling or
halving of power.


Article: 334082 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:09:37 -0700
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On 9 May 2006 08:47:42 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>can God make a rock so big, that even He can't lift it ? <snip>

yes, and its name is Charlie Nudo.


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Article: 334083 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
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> But the meter carries all the current? 

   Yes, the same as an AC ammeter would.

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Article: 334084 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:12:26 -0700
Message-ID: <emf1625k3d2v61s2s01tb4cl6omplivr7n@4ax.com>
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On 9 May 2006 08:46:40 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Good observation, John- that guy is obviously on prescription
>anti-depressants just to get by. <snip>

More projection from an obvious paranoid delusional.

> He was up posting until 3:30 AM last
>night on Usenet again- check his profile. <snip>

Charlie Nudo, the grade school intellect, has trouble figured out time
zones and can't get it through his fat head that "goo goo" only shows
the time that the post finally made it into THEIR servers.

Challenge to Noodles:  Find out exactly WHEN that post was made,
Noodles.  I'm betting you can't.

>Keep in mind he's recently
>divorced <snip>

Lie.

> his dog died <snip>

Lie.  He's right here.

> he's unemployed <snip>

Lie, retired with a NICE big pension and 401k.

>, and is trolling MySpace
>looking for female company. <snip>

Lie.

> It all forms a clear picture the type of
>person he is.  Take one look at his profile on Google, and look at the
>posts he puts up.  For a real eye opener, take a look at the
>alt.collecting 8-tracks site.  He smeared it. <snip>

YOU destroyed that newsgroups, Noodles, and no, it's not a "site." You
can't even get your nomenclature correct.

>but getting back, that's exactly the reason why the efficient
>speaker/SE amp setup works.   Steve Deckert did a pretty good article
>on it a while back, this taken from his site:
>
>http://www.decware.com/newsite/mainmenu.htm
>
>go to "articles" on the left side menu, then scroll down to read it-
>also pasted below:
>
>
>High Fidelity Engineering Co.
>
>A U D I O... P A P E R
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>WHY THE SET & HIGH EFFICIENCY SPEAKER APPROACH WORKS
>
> MAY 2003
>by Steve Deckert
>
>
>
>On our audiophile forums, members have a moniker that usually includes
>a tag line. Mine say; "If the first watt sucks, why continue?"
>Having said that, this is not going to be another hard line attempt to
>convince you that SET amps are the only way to get good sound, or that
>high efficiency speakers automatically sound better than anything else.
>
>
>Over the years I have learned that for every assumption about audio
>there are exceptions that could lead one to conclude the exact
>opposite.  This "law" encompasses every facet of audio, from
>cartridges to loudspeakers and all the cables and components in
>between.
>
>Most people for example have assumed that a 2 to 8 watt per channel SET
>amp wouldn't have the balls to get out of it's own way.  It
>couldn't possibly have any real bass, but we hear the midrange is to
>die for.
>
>Most people would also assume the only way to hear any dynamics from a
>flea powered amplifier is to use big nasty horn speakers so really what
>is the point?
>
>All of these assumptions are probably a side effect of the general
>direction that high-end audio has taken since the 1960's.  Solid
>state has made high power affordable for everyone so the loudspeaker
>industry responded by making speakers less efficient to both reduce
>their size and flatten their response.
>
>Despite popular belief, you do not need horn speakers to use or enjoy a
>SET amplifier. You can also find many horn speaker designs that sound
>wonderful, better than wonderful in fact, so the question then becomes
>this:
>
>What are the advantages are to using SET amps with high efficiency
>speakers?
>
>To answer this, lets start with the advantages of a SET amplifier over
>any other type. A Single Ended Triode is the simplest circuit design
>there is, using the least number of parts.  Typically this is a driver
>stage coupled to a single output device.  Triodes do not require
>negative feedback, something found in most all push-pull circuits,
>solid state or tube.  Negative feedback is used to lower distortion
>specs and in the case of solid state devices it is often the only thing
>keeping the transistors from exploding all over the inside of your
>amplifier.  Feedback a problem?  If you don't mind the time smear it
>creates and the resulting 2 dimensional sound stage, then no I guess
>it's probably not.
>
>Aside from the amplifier's superiority by simplicity, there is a more
>profound reason for using SET amplifiers.  The magic predominately lies
>in the first watt.  By magic I mean inner detail and most of the
>dynamics. For example, a pair of 96dB speakers playing with one watt of
>power against the average noise floor in your listening room (55dB) is
>40 dB of dynamic range.  (96 - 55 = 41 dB) Adding a second watt
>increases the dynamic range by only 3 dB. For every additional 3 dB you
>need to double your power. This should clearly illustrate that there is
>over 10 times the dynamic range in the first watt as there is in the
>second.
>
>This brings us directly to loudspeakers.  A typical loudspeaker today
>is 86 dB efficient with 1 watt.  It also usually has a complex
>crossover that attempts to keep the frequency response and impedance
>flat.  The crossover alone will usually dissipate a significant portion
>of the first watt as heat before it even reaches the drivers.  To reach
>the same loudness level as the 96 dB speaker will with 1 watt requires
>over 8 watts on the 86dB speaker.  If we used 2 watts on the 96 dB
>speaker the other would require 16 watts to keep up.  If we used 4
>watts on the 96 dB speaker the other would require 32 watts to keep up.
>
>The problem here is resolution.  If you can't hit a listening level
>with the 1st watt, you're not likely to hear what's happening in
>that 1st watt.  For a driver to achieve a high efficiency it's moving
>parts must be low in mass.  That makes it dramatically faster or more
>accurate than a speaker with heavier moving parts.  If you like inner
>detail and want to hear all of the textures and layers of a good
>recording you need fast, efficient and coherent speakers.
>
>A good SET amp combined with a single full range driver with no
>crossover or a simple 2-way using minimal crossover parts on the
>tweeter only, has a purity and depth that you simply don't find in
>more conventional systems.  It is a benchmark for coherency, and noted
>for its ability to create hauntingly real holographic sound stage.
>Bass and dynamics with this combination sound more realistic in part
>from the tremendous speed and in part from the coherency.
>
>I've consulted many people about their audio systems, and the most
>common complaints include dry somewhat fatiguing sound with a fairly
>boring soundstage followed by the realization that it simply doesn't
>connect you to the music emotionally like it could.  Experience has
>taught me that by far the easiest way to get a liquid sound that
>becomes holographic with stunning clarity and detail, something that
>excites the listener, is to set him up with an SET and simple pair of
>efficient speakers. It also usually ends up being the least expensive
>solution.
>
>The biggest conformation of this is reports from audiophiles who used
>to have several hundred watts and many thousands of dollars invested in
>show winning audio gear, but now report that even a good 2 watt SET on
>efficient speakers has better dynamics and weight which they find
>simply amazing.  If you've ever observed how audiophiles rotate
>through audio gear during their lifetime you might also find it
>interesting that the ones who finally land on SET amps and good
>speakers seldom find anything they like better.
>
>The bigger is better mentality that is directly connected to more
>expensive the better is certainly the handicap that stunts most
>audiophiles from discovering truly high fidelity sound.  Will the guys
>at the audio salon laugh... yes the will.  Will your fellow audiophiles
>laugh when they hear you sold everything and got a 2-watt amplifier...
>yes the will.  Is this important to you? Only you can decide, but I
>would suggest it has little to do with high fidelity.
>
>In closing, remember this - It is dangerous to place amplifiers,
>speakers, cables etc., into neat little categories in an effort to make
>some sense of it all.  Not all tube amps sound good.  Not all solid-
>state amps sound bad. With the Internet audiophiles have been set free
>to research things in a far more unbiased way then ever before.  Before
>the Internet there were only trade magazines, and manufacture's
>literature to educate us all and it goes without saying - fairly
>biased sources.  Of course the Internet is full of misinformation, some
>intentional, some out of ignorance, but at least you can find all sides
>and make your own determinations.
>
>-Steve Deckert
>
>Copyright © 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 by Steve
>Deckert
>All Rights Reserved All graphics contained herein are also © and may
>not be used without permission.


Article: 334085 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Message-ID: <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com>
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:13:46 -0400

On Tue, 09 May 2006 09:09:17 -0700, DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 09 May 2006 11:45:47 -0400, Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>If 1 watt yields 93 db then what does 3db equal? <snip>
>
>Depends on whether it's + or -, which would be either doubling or
>halving of power.


Understood, if you start at 1 db then you need the arbitrary
beginning. In other words, if you have 1 watt at 93 db then 3 db has
to have a wattage value. I know that you can calculate it but I though
that it might already be known to save me then trouble. The way I
understand db values is that they don't carry much meaning unless they
have a base value such as dBw or dBm....or some such.
__________________________________________________________

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Article: 334086 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
References: <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <6m38g.9286$Nk3.2199@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:23:30 GMT

Beerbarrel wrote:

> The way I
> understand db values is that they don't carry much meaning unless they
> have a base value such as dBw or dBm....or some such.

That's correct.

Typically, in the RF world, 0 would be 0 dBm, or 1 mili-watt.
So +10 dBm would equal 10 miliwatts etc.

If, for example, the 93 dB was referenced to 0 dBm, then
100 dBm would equal 1 megawatt. 93 dBm would equal 2 Megawatts.
I don't think even the Rolling Stones run that much power.

Jeff


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the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
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under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 334087 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:34:18 -0700
Message-ID: <8lg162h36l34qg6brj20qjk5nvndq73aei@4ax.com>
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On Tue, 09 May 2006 12:13:46 -0400, Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
wrote:


>Understood, if you start at 1 db then you need the arbitrary
>beginning. In other words, if you have 1 watt at 93 db then 3 db has
>to have a wattage value. I know that you can calculate it but I though
>that it might already be known to save me then trouble. The way I
>understand db values is that they don't carry much meaning unless they
>have a base value such as dBw or dBm....or some such. <snip>

Exactly, it's a relative quantifier.  In telephone and audio work, dBm
(deciBels refereneced to one milliwatt) has been the standard for
almost 100 years.  In RF work, dBW is oft used.  For non-pro audio,
it's been basically a voltage expression, owing to varying hi Z loads.
I've seen it expressed as dB.775, dBu, dBv, etc....sometimes
confusing, but they do represent a reference point, although they're
calculated with 20log(E1/E2), etc.  In noise measurements for
telephone work, the classic reference was -90 dBm C weighted below a
milliwatt, expressed as dBrnC0.  Thus, a C weighted noise reading of
40 dBrnC0 would indicate a noise power -50 dB below a milliwatt, C
weighted.  However, in audio work, signal-to-noise ratio is oft seen
as dBa, with a negative ratio referenced to usually a +4 VU, which is
equivalent to a +4 dBm, the "a" signifying A-wieghting.

Let's see John Byrn mess with this now.  He seems to be merging his
efforts with NudoFraud® Industries lately, but he was correct in that
I added the acoustic power levels incorrectly...not once, but twice!


Article: 334088 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:35:48 -0400
Message-ID: <1261h7ah9p2sd9c@corp.supernews.com>
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Beerbarrel wrote:


> 
> Understood, if you start at 1 db then you need the arbitrary
> beginning. In other words, if you have 1 watt at 93 db then 3 db has
> to have a wattage value. I know that you can calculate it but I though
> that it might already be known to save me then trouble. The way I
> understand db values is that they don't carry much meaning unless they
> have a base value such as dBw or dBm....or some such.

You're correct, Tracy.  There is a standard value for sound measurement 
but I don't know how they describe it in terms of db-*something.  db 
alone is technically inaccurate but if they do it that way routinely, as 
people in various fields tend to do, then so be it.

Here's the 'zero' basis for sound intensity against which "db" 
measurements are made.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/sound/intens.html

But yes, if 1 watt gives 93 "db" of sound intensity there is a power 
level that would equate to 3 "db".  I'll let you do the math and report 
back to us :)

-Bill


Article: 334089 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:36:27 -0700
Message-ID: <n5h162toijbpnpolo3tkncav09m003nr87@4ax.com>
References: <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147088976.955519.302970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <1147191056.053745.3680@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 09:10:56 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>yet he drives a 1979 Honda shitbox... <snip>

Lie.
>
>what's worse, highly efficient speakers, or a 27 old rotbox of a car ? <snip>

What's worse is Charlie Nudo finding Usenet access through "Usenet for
Retards," Google Groups.  If you look back in his history, you'll see
many time where this troll thinks that Google "bought" Usenet, even
though many tried several times to correct him.  He thinks newsreaders
are "email programs."
>
>too funny ! <snip>

You're not funny at all, Noodles.  You're irritating and disgusting.


Article: 334090 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4460C616.2DAE92AB@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
References: <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <1261h7ah9p2sd9c@corp.supernews.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:42:37 GMT

- exray - wrote:
> 
> Beerbarrel wrote:
> 
> >
> > Understood, if you start at 1 db then you need the arbitrary
> > beginning. In other words, if you have 1 watt at 93 db then 3 db has
> > to have a wattage value. I know that you can calculate it but I though
> > that it might already be known to save me then trouble. The way I
> > understand db values is that they don't carry much meaning unless they
> > have a base value such as dBw or dBm....or some such.
> 
> You're correct, Tracy.  There is a standard value for sound measurement
> but I don't know how they describe it in terms of db-*something.  db
> alone is technically inaccurate but if they do it that way routinely, as
> people in various fields tend to do, then so be it.
> 
> Here's the 'zero' basis for sound intensity against which "db"
> measurements are made.
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/sound/intens.html
> 
> But yes, if 1 watt gives 93 "db" of sound intensity there is a power
> level that would equate to 3 "db".  I'll let you do the math and report
> back to us :)
> 
> -Bill


   Come on, Bill, I figured that you would get the units right. The term
is dB, not db. It is one tenth of of a Bel so it is dB.



-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334091 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:53:08 -0700
Message-ID: <bfh162pkg6usv3kb2lm1hq1tfg4nmompdb@4ax.com>
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On Tue, 09 May 2006 16:23:30 GMT, Jeffrey D Angus
<jangus@socal.rr.com> wrote:


>Typically, in the RF world, 0 would be 0 dBm, or 1 mili-watt.
>So +10 dBm would equal 10 miliwatts etc. <snip>

No, power ratios in RF work are generally expressed in dBW when
working on tranmitters.  Also, it's "milliwatt," not "mili-watt."
>
>If, for example, the 93 dB was referenced to 0 dBm, then
>100 dBm would equal 1 megawatt. 93 dBm would equal 2 Megawatts.
>I don't think even the Rolling Stones run that much power. <snip>

This is completely incorrect.


Article: 334092 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Please pardon the intrusion/ we seem to have a similar infection
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:56:06 -0700
Message-ID: <hbi162pi51gccikbt06ddv374rj1khk4ml@4ax.com>
References: <-_adna9OOpMo3MfZRVn-vg@comcast.com> <1147099927.650482.131010@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <91ev52p6kn60ohcr1eff8bq5885c5b304k@4ax.com> <1147149345.497627.298470@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147150516.240391.270160@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147172169.162186.92210@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1147193094.921078.267820@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 09:44:54 -0700, BellinghamCPA@gmail.com wrote:

>I presume my apology wasn't sufficient for you, but there isn't much I
>can do about that.  Given the nature of this thread to date, I don't
>think my post was entirely off-topic.
>
>In any case, the "Jr." version of DesertTBob was the particular
>offender I wrote about, so if I disparaged against one who is NOT Mr.
>Nudo, I regret the error.
>
>rt <snip>

Thank you for your clarification.

The real DeserTBoB


Article: 334093 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:56:59 -0400
Message-ID: <1261ievo6g4hf8f@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <1261h7ah9p2sd9c@corp.supernews.com> <4460C616.2DAE92AB@earthlink.net>

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> - exray - wrote:
> 

>>You're correct, Tracy.  There is a standard value for sound measurement
>>but I don't know how they describe it in terms of db-*something.  db
>>alone is technically inaccurate but if they do it that way routinely, as
>>people in various fields tend to do, then so be it.
>>
>>Here's the 'zero' basis for sound intensity against which "db"
>>measurements are made.
>>http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/sound/intens.html
>>
>>But yes, if 1 watt gives 93 "db" of sound intensity there is a power
>>level that would equate to 3 "db".  I'll let you do the math and report
>>back to us :)
>>
>>-Bill
> 
> 
> 
>    Come on, Bill, I figured that you would get the units right. The term
> is dB, not db. It is one tenth of of a Bel so it is dB.

Zing...you got me.  But given the context that its being used as a unit 
it may be something entirely different.  Yeah, thats it.  :)

-Bill


Article: 334094 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: now "it" changed names !
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:07:01 -0700
Message-ID: <eji162den7qsr5gdbt56jc3jh74n2hoghg@4ax.com>
References: <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147088976.955519.302970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147190797.715293.308600@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 09:06:37 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>John,
>
>just to show you, and the rest of the group here, the type of person
>you are dealing with-"it" just changed its name, and posted on the
>8-track site <snip>

You ass.

You change "user names" at least four or five times a day to try to
avoid detection.  I do it once, basically to rattle your cage, and you
go berserk.

Let's tally up ALL your "user names," shall we, Noodles?

CAINE
Tripping28track@yahoo.com (using a defunct email account as a user
name is in violation of Googles' ToS, by the way)
DeserTBob Jr
duty-honor-country
The MAGNATE
UNIVERSAL GENIUS
UNIVERSAL MIND
trippin28track

...and on and on and on.  However, you still, after two years, cannot
figure out that these "user names" are useless, and anyone with the
remotest clue can track you down.

For a compendium of this troll's various user names, spam MAPI
accounts and other incriminating evidence, see:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=author%3Atrippin28track@yahoo.com+OR+author%3Atrippingtoo8track@yahoo.com+OR+author%3Acoltblackpowder@hotmail.com+OR+author%3Awinchester1886@hotmail.com+OR+author%3Aanalog@epix.net+OR+author%3Athenudofamily@epix.net+OR+author%3Apowerchordg@yahoo.com+OR+author%3Ahsf18@epix.net+OR+author%3Adynobot@hotmail.com+OR+author%3Anativebrookie@hotmail.com+OR+author%3Abb69@epix.net&num=30&scoring=d&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=5&as_maxy=2006&safe=off

These are all the same person:

Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA

Sorry your little charade didn't work out for you, Noodles!


Article: 334095 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4460CC4E.604F2DB8@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
References: <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <1261h7ah9p2sd9c@corp.supernews.com> <4460C616.2DAE92AB@earthlink.net> <1261ievo6g4hf8f@corp.supernews.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:09:11 GMT

- exray - wrote:
> 
> Zing...you got me.  But given the context that its being used as a unit
> it may be something entirely different.  Yeah, thats it.  :)
> 
> -Bill


   I figured that you have spent so many hours staring at a CATV FSM
that you could NEVER forget that its dB! ;-)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334096 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Remember those worn out Fisher tubes?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:55:02 -0700
Message-ID: <mpl16257cj7l1t4fj7ldqa1a08m9heqk2d@4ax.com>

Well, the King of Fraudsters, Charlie Nudo, sees yet another scam
opportunity!

http://motors.search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&frpp=25&from=R10&satitle=&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&fmmk=&fmmd=&fylo=&fyhi=&mppfQy=&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&seller=1&sass=66fourdoor

Negative feedback, here we come!


Article: 334097 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Phil Witt <w4imm@mindspring.com>
Subject: AK power supply
Message-ID: <gil162pvbnqt0jsv07ssoevag05hhtoh6c@4ax.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:59:04 -0500

Did I see somewhere awhile back that someone was offering power
supplies for radios like AK-35 and/or others?

Thanks,

Phil


Article: 334098 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Origin of BEEHIVE term?
Message-ID: <4ul162lo10a84iqs53khu9d84uvm4qradr@4ax.com>
References: <29dv52hist4i95s9reqbkfng3u6rm936ev@4ax.com> <25525-445FF617-2341@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:58:49 GMT

On Mon, 8 May 2006 19:53:27 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote:

>In the 30s they were "midget" or "mantel" radios. 
>Alan
>
>I cant relate a Philco 90 as a ``midget``

It is a semi-giant-sized midget.


Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 334099 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve" <zarco@sonic.net>
Subject: Hoffman TV:need schematic
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:52:43 -0700
Message-ID: <4460e4fd$0$65487$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>

Gotta stop going to junkfests.

Picked up an unmolested Hoffman 17QXP pseudo
countertop TV. As far as I can tell it was built in 1952.
The chassis is #212, and there is a model number on
the back (different from 17QXP) that I cannot read.
>From my tube layout book, it appears this chassis
was used in a number of sets. Mine uses a 17HP4
rectangular CRT.

If anyone out here has, and is willing to make a copy
of the schematic and any other info, I'd like to
hear from you. Of course I'll be happy to pay for
copying and shipping. TIA.

                         Steve 




Article: 334100 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:12:54 -0400
Message-ID: <1261qds8ott5t25@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <1261h7ah9p2sd9c@corp.supernews.com> <4460C616.2DAE92AB@earthlink.net> <1261ievo6g4hf8f@corp.supernews.com> <4460CC4E.604F2DB8@earthlink.net>

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> - exray - wrote:
> 
>    I figured that you have spent so many hours staring at a CATV FSM
> that you could NEVER forget that its dB! ;-)
> 
> 

Should I now suggest that you must have meant to say dBmv?  And oh, FSMs 
have been called SLMs for the past 15 years :)

-ex


Article: 334101 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Remember those worn out Fisher tubes?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:34:34 -0700
Message-ID: <b6v1625qeht74905sekikkgq3eh6oq2b4l@4ax.com>
References: <mpl16257cj7l1t4fj7ldqa1a08m9heqk2d@4ax.com> <1147198143.980301.190970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147200532.078791.184040@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 11:48:52 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>If they are from the source some believe they are from, some of them
>are shorted, some are also surely bad otherwise. And *ALL* of them have
>been tested at least for shorts and emissions, whether or not the
>description so-states.
>
>Take it for what it's worth. Depending on how the auction description
>is worded and how artfully any questions may be answered, there may be
>no actionable fraud involved. But the apparent intention if they are
>from the suspect source is to get big bucks for otherwise worthless
>junk. 
>
>Peter Wieck
>Wyncote, PA <snip>

What he said.

dB


Article: 334102 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Hoffman TV:need schematic
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:37:03 -0700
Message-ID: <l7v162lo6p5gchbvvclikdan1gp5vgqppp@4ax.com>
References: <4460e4fd$0$65487$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>

On Tue, 9 May 2006 11:52:43 -0700, "Steve" <zarco@sonic.net> wrote:

>Gotta stop going to junkfests.
>
>Picked up an unmolested Hoffman 17QXP pseudo
>countertop TV. As far as I can tell it was built in 1952.
>The chassis is #212, and there is a model number on
>the back (different from 17QXP) that I cannot read.
>From my tube layout book, it appears this chassis
>was used in a number of sets. Mine uses a 17HP4
>rectangular CRT. <snip>

Mahogany cabinet?  I had one of those as a kid!  We also had a
butternut finished Hoffman floor model.  Green CRT filter, aka
"Hoffman EZ-Vision Television".  I seem to remember the 17QXP having
Ch. 1, but that may have been another Hoffman.  From the dealer, they
both had the station call letters for each LA area station in the
tuner knob.

Sorry I didn't keep the schemo for you now!

dB


Article: 334103 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Remember those worn out Fisher tubes?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:38:17 -0700
Message-ID: <bcv162dtnh8e6k3f4a0d6a3kdi282faq7f@4ax.com>
References: <mpl16257cj7l1t4fj7ldqa1a08m9heqk2d@4ax.com> <1147198143.980301.190970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 11:09:04 -0700, feldtm@msn.com wrote:

>I must be missing something here. What's so fraudulent about this guy
>selling used audio tubes on ebay? Looks like a pretty straightforward
>auction to me. <snip>

You have to look at his long, long history of fraud and deceit, and
I'm done explaining it.  Suffice it to say that Charlie Nudo, aka
66fourdoor, is a professional eBay scumball.

dB


Article: 334104 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:38:55 -0700
Message-ID: <jev162ta9daiosg85o4e19l0u288muev32@4ax.com>
References: <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <6m38g.9286$Nk3.2199@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147196659.922941.173760@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 10:44:19 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Jeffrey D Angus wrote:
>> Beerbarrel wrote:
>>
>> > The way I
>> > understand db values is that they don't carry much meaning unless they
>> > have a base value such as dBw or dBm....or some such.
>>
>> That's correct.
>>
>> Typically, in the RF world, 0 would be 0 dBm, or 1 mili-watt.
>> So +10 dBm would equal 10 miliwatts etc.
>>
>> If, for example, the 93 dB was referenced to 0 dBm, then
>> 100 dBm would equal 1 megawatt. 93 dBm would equal 2 Megawatts.
>> I don't think even the Rolling Stones run that much power.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>When it comes to speaker efficiency rating, it's understood- in this
>case, 93 db/w/m rating, means when 1 watt of music is applied to the
>speaker from the amp, through the speaker cable, 93 decibels of sound
>energy will result, at the distance of one meter from the speaker. <snip>

...in an anechoic environment.


Article: 334105 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:55:01 -0700
Message-ID: <kfv162l09ms65att71sjk64scn6ia26ck7@4ax.com>
References: <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <1261h7ah9p2sd9c@corp.supernews.com> <4460C616.2DAE92AB@earthlink.net> <1261ievo6g4hf8f@corp.supernews.com> <4460CC4E.604F2DB8@earthlink.net> <1261qds8ott5t25@corp.supernews.com>

On Tue, 09 May 2006 15:12:54 -0400, - exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote:

>Should I now suggest that you must have meant to say dBmv?  And oh, FSMs 
>have been called SLMs for the past 15 years :) <snip>

SLMs have been called SLMs in the telephone industry since around
1938, when the first ones appeared.

When I was raking Jones Intercoursecable over the coals for bad
equalization and horrid noise and intermod, the guy showed up with a
3" Korean TV in his truck, goes on the hub out front, and says, "Looks
good to me!"  On the 31" CRT inside, however, the noise was obviously
at least 7 to 10 IRE.  He had some very rudimentary and inaccurate
hand held spec an thing with about a 20 dB resolution, and again says,
"Looks good to me!"  A trip to the back room with the H-P spec an,
which he'd never seen before, blew that lie wide open, too.

Jones never fixed much of anything, and even their "injun-eers" didn't
understand the basics of coaxial cable transmission, such as
pre-equalization, intermod, and the like.  "Adolf-ia" gobbled them up
before Rig-ass got caught.  "Adolf-ia" was even worse.  Their motto,
as ours was at the Long Lines carrier test board back in the bad ol'
microwave days, was "Hey...the noise is FREE!"  Our coax from LA to
Airmont, NY (the "nuke hardenend" route) could even be noisier than
microwave, but that's another story.

After "Adolf-ia" came under considerable scrutiny with the Rig-ass
scandal, considerable effort in cleaning up their analog service
happened, as well as much new outside plant to replace the patchwork
of garbage installed by Jones in the '70s.  I was actually able to get
pretty clean feeds after that (albeit most of them in mono sound), and
then...the digital crap showed up.  Now, all analog channels are back
to around 7 to 10 IRE of noise, caused by sideband energy from the
QPSK crap that's interspersed between the vestigial sideband AM video
carriers.

Of course, Adolf-ia, now Com-crash, eliminated all FM radio feeds
except those mandated by local laws, so I had to construct a full wave
dual  rhombic just to get LA area FM at reasonable noise figures. And,
of couse, the price goes up almost monthly, while their crews make a
pittance compared to other outside plant and I&R people in the telecom
industry.  It's no wonder DBS is doing so well.

dB


Article: 334106 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:58:49 -0700
Message-ID: <8e0262d46pnnbh6usqir67aqitcs7u5g1h@4ax.com>
References: <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147088976.955519.302970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <1147191056.053745.3680@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147207787.736372.180600@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 13:49:47 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>Well.... consider that the 27 YO car has been paying him for 20+ years,
>instead of him paying the bank, and will retain at least scrap-value. <snip>

Although I've never owned a '79 anything, the vehicle in question
yields 29 MPG around town, 34 on the road, has a moderately good AC
powered by the old Denso 2C134 compressor, has good audio...and pays
me every time I crank it up.

>OTOH, the purported High Efficiency Speakers were crap, produce only
>crap and will remain crap from whence they came and whence they
>disappear, which will be landfill or worse. 
>
>Peter Wieck
>Wyncote, PA

What he said, ICW those horrid Jap boxes that Noodles seems to favor.
However, I won't trade my 105 dB/W/m efficiency of my custom K-horns
for anything!


Article: 334107 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
Date: 9 May 2006 14:11:28 -0700
Message-ID: <1147209088.592257.117470@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
References: <pP08g.9268$Nk3.7802@tornado.socal.rr.com>

it's not the Beulaland over there at times either.



Article: 334108 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com>
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga>   <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com> <sA18g.52807$uZ.7368@newsfe16.lga>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
Message-ID: <dh88g.5184$re6.1955@trndny04>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:59:37 GMT

>    Basically, I want to monitor the current draw of the load...

I use an AC "AmpClamp" to do this.  If I need a multiplication factor I wrap 
the single wire multiple times around the clamp portion thus multiplying the 
current draw by the number of turns.  For example, 10 turns multiplies the 
measured current by 10 (1 amp measured = 100 ma actual).  So divide what you 
read by 10.   Just don't try and wrap both sides of an AC line Zip cord 
around the clamp.  You need to use only one wire (unzipped) the hot or the 
neutral.

Other than that, if you are going to do something, do it right.

Paul. 




Article: 334109 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <446110C8.71A10D64@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
References: <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <1261h7ah9p2sd9c@corp.supernews.com> <4460C616.2DAE92AB@earthlink.net> <1261ievo6g4hf8f@corp.supernews.com> <4460CC4E.604F2DB8@earthlink.net> <1261qds8ott5t25@corp.supernews.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:01:31 GMT

- exray - wrote:
> 
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> 
> > - exray - wrote:
> >
> >    I figured that you have spent so many hours staring at a CATV FSM
> > that you could NEVER forget that its dB! ;-)
> >
> >
> 
> Should I now suggest that you must have meant to say dBmv?  And oh, FSMs
> have been called SLMs for the past 15 years :)
> 
> -ex


    The "mv" isn't relevant to the thread, and I left "The business" in
1986, when they were still called "FSM".  The only reason I picked on
you was because you have a sense of humor. ;-)

   The last meters I used calibrated in dB were a Fluke digital true RMS
voltmeter and a Boonton 9200 Digital RF millivoltmeter where you could
set the reference level needed for a test, set that as zero dB by
pushing a button and get a direct gain reading in dB.

   Someone borrowed my Sadelco FSM about 12 years ago and claimed he
returned it. I'm out the $300 I paid for it, new. It was still in brand
new condition. :(


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334110 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44611318.502A87FB@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Hoffman TV:need schematic
References: <4460e4fd$0$65487$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:11:22 GMT

Steve wrote:
> 
> Gotta stop going to junkfests.
> 
> Picked up an unmolested Hoffman 17QXP pseudo
> countertop TV. As far as I can tell it was built in 1952.
> The chassis is #212, and there is a model number on
> the back (different from 17QXP) that I cannot read.
> From my tube layout book, it appears this chassis
> was used in a number of sets. Mine uses a 17HP4
> rectangular CRT.
> 
> If anyone out here has, and is willing to make a copy
> of the schematic and any other info, I'd like to
> hear from you. Of course I'll be happy to pay for
> copying and shipping. TIA.
> 
>                          Steve


   Sams Photofacts lists it in 194-4, which is not in my collection at
this time.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334111 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 18:15:38 -0400
Message-ID: <126254e42uj2id9@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <1261h7ah9p2sd9c@corp.supernews.com> <4460C616.2DAE92AB@earthlink.net> <1261ievo6g4hf8f@corp.supernews.com> <4460CC4E.604F2DB8@earthlink.net> <1261qds8ott5t25@corp.supernews.com> <446110C8.71A10D64@earthlink.net>

Michael A. Terrell wrote:


> 
>    Someone borrowed my Sadelco FSM about 12 years ago and claimed he
> returned it. I'm out the $300 I paid for it, new. It was still in brand
> new condition. :(
> 
> 

Trust me...its worthless nowadays.  Consider it as having been "amortized"

-Bill


Article: 334112 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4461165C.CE256403@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
References: <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0805062014060001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com> <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <1261h7ah9p2sd9c@corp.supernews.com> <4460C616.2DAE92AB@earthlink.net> <1261ievo6g4hf8f@corp.supernews.com> <4460CC4E.604F2DB8@earthlink.net> <1261qds8ott5t25@corp.supernews.com> <446110C8.71A10D64@earthlink.net> <126254e42uj2id9@corp.supernews.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:25:19 GMT

- exray - wrote:
> 
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> 
> >
> >    Someone borrowed my Sadelco FSM about 12 years ago and claimed he
> > returned it. I'm out the $300 I paid for it, new. It was still in brand
> > new condition. :(
> >
> >
> 
> Trust me...its worthless nowadays.  Consider it as having been "amortized"
> 
> -Bill


   It wasn't worthless on the workbench when I was repairing modulators
and MATV amplifiers.  I also had the return loss bridge that went with
it to test 75 ohm cable, along with a pair of 50 to 75 ohm transformers
to use it in 50 ohm circuits.  This one had the UHF tuner rather than
the superband tuner, so it had other uses, as well.
 

-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334113 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Pete_O" <stateasylum@private>
Subject: Re: AK power supply
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 18:47:37 -0400
Message-ID: <1a7446d228cbbea0bda5b03516c3c408@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com>
References: <gil162pvbnqt0jsv07ssoevag05hhtoh6c@4ax.com>

Did I see somewhere awhile back that someone was offering power supplies
for radios like AK-35 and/or others?

***Almost everyone with an early battery set has a supply from
http://www.arbeiii.com/   They are great supplies; I've got two.  -Pete
O.







Article: 334114 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Phil Witt <w4imm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: AK power supply
Message-ID: <br7262tat3t2s2bt4nq1qllrbcfcdf3dpd@4ax.com>
References: <gil162pvbnqt0jsv07ssoevag05hhtoh6c@4ax.com> <1a7446d228cbbea0bda5b03516c3c408@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 18:02:36 -0500

On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:47:37 -0400, "Pete_O" <stateasylum@private>
wrote:

>Did I see somewhere awhile back that someone was offering power supplies
>for radios like AK-35 and/or others?
>
>***Almost everyone with an early battery set has a supply from
>http://www.arbeiii.com/   They are great supplies; I've got two.  -Pete
>O.

Interesting. Thanks.


Article: 334115 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:26:09 -0700
Message-ID: <o5926295mdvp06v2rgfbvnulldekpofd7d@4ax.com>
References: <pP08g.9268$Nk3.7802@tornado.socal.rr.com> <ifb162hatg7b13594t3jo3rkoces80obr0@4ax.com> <Lq28g.3500$0d3.1332@trnddc08> <1147208650.912346.259150@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147209253.066117.130690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147215180.876022.95970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 15:53:00 -0700, "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com> wrote:

>i visit there often. i have seen it get quite uncivil. even with the
>"fuzzy" attitude over ther, i admit that since the arrival of the
>lastest group of losers here, it makes the forum look really inviting. <snip>

You seem quite adept at throwing insults, but not so good at
introspection.  I've been treated as a pariah simply for outing a
known fraudster and con artist, and everything I predicted about that
goon proved true.  For my trouble, I get insults and derisions.

That doesn't speak well for those participating in here, either.


Article: 334116 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:27:04 -0700
Message-ID: <v992629cpr6qpdnso19qodijf23m6d9558@4ax.com>
References: <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <1261h7ah9p2sd9c@corp.supernews.com> <4460C616.2DAE92AB@earthlink.net> <1261ievo6g4hf8f@corp.supernews.com> <4460CC4E.604F2DB8@earthlink.net> <1261qds8ott5t25@corp.supernews.com> <kfv162l09ms65att71sjk64scn6ia26ck7@4ax.com> <1147208684.399976.147590@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 14:04:44 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>Bobby-Boy:
>
>We all feel sorry for you.
>
>So, now that that is established, Please. Go. Away.
>
>Peter Wieck
>Wyncote, PA <snip>

Where's my 80?


Article: 334117 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:29:53 -0700
Message-ID: <le9262t6lsg6m771jraeo5udds1t57ti3s@4ax.com>
References: <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com> <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net> <e3n4a0$t3e$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147088976.955519.302970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147090329.964425.117680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8qpu529a9rrhkqof0ugdm84ackupnt2ifo@4ax.com> <1147191056.053745.3680@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147208517.164350.178750@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 14:01:57 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>Of course, as one who drives a 19 yo third car (VW Westie), keep a 43
>and 45 yo amp (Dynaco & Scott) and who has never purchased a new car in
>his life, I can appreciate frugality and what it can give.
>
>Cars don't "rot" that much in California, it's not like being in the
>bottom-lands of central Pennsylvania where you are shoveling the Long
>Run and its mine run-off out of your cellar at regular intervals. Cars
>do rot there between the sulphuric acid in the ground-water and the
>salt on the roads.
>
>But I still say that you and Bobby-Boy should take your divorce
>elsewhere and at the same time count your blessings that there are no
>children at issue (well, given your two genetic predelections, Skippy
>is quite likely your love-child... the Good Lord knows there is no
>other explanation for him). <snip>

Where's my 80?


Article: 334118 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
References: <1146842828.653361.213950@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <T367g.7631$An2.3238@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>   <1147047964.067315.113080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <p3bt525l5r8odjoqa7m144h7h8sqb2b9qb@4ax.com>   <e3n468$t2e$1@news2.kornet.net>   <1147089303.737016.6680@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   <1kqu52lnr69o9jju2dh0ho68u00sdk4817@4ax.com>   <MFS7g.329$y4.117@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>   <1147141329.315009.277950@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <e3ov8b$fb6$1@news2.kornet.net> <1147144814.106668.26480@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <g1a8g.617$x4.318@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:59:08 GMT

Steven wrote:

> I am 1/2 mile ~south. You can hear them in Cambridge, Nampa and then
> they drop near Boise (but only if you had my car and the antenna was
> poorly grounded). The only thing that comes in at 1380 well if KSRV
> goes is KRKO.
> 
What might have happened is that you ended up in a partial null.  A null 
that attenuates a bit too much carrier compared to the sidebands, making 
your AM detector not work well.  Your retuning may have been able to 
compensate for it.  Synchronous AM detectors are less troubled by weak 
carriers.


Article: 334119 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <1147095875.631807.235110@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <WiS7g.24423$ZQ3.5336@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1147175311.121632.221470@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Kutztown Roll Call
Message-ID: <e6b8g.24476$ZQ3.9802@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:12:42 GMT

Yes indeed. 3 of them in the same basement would have cracked the concrete!
We do have a weather problem, Ive got a question into an expert now.
A good thing to bring for those around the perimeter would be tarps to tie 
up.

With that, we should all have that good time

Keith


"Mike Koste" <michael.koste@zurichna.com> wrote in message 
news:1147175311.121632.221470@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> As of Tuesday morning, three different sources are suggesting three
> different weather forecasts. All that is certain is a) No hurricaine,
> b) No snow, and no matter what, c) a good time will be had by all.
> Drive safely! PS: Be careful unloading that Majestic Herniaphone,
> Keith.
>
> Mike Koste
> Gobs of Knobs
> Ambler, PA
>
> Booths 331/333
> 




Article: 334120 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1147181456.280034.236750@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A Dirty Zenith
Message-ID: <89b8g.24477$ZQ3.16255@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:15:48 GMT

Sailboat.

Keith

"Jiri Placek" <radiotubes@fast.net> wrote in message 
news:1147181456.280034.236750@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Keith-
>
> does it have a sailboat ot bomber cloth?  I need a donor with a good
> bober cloth.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jiri Placek
>
> Keith Park wrote:
>> I have a 6 G 601 D that is very similar,  Im bringing it to Kutztown to 
>> sell
>> CHEAP.
>> Its missing the front cover though.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> > No, the radio doesn't play pornographic shows.   Here it is.
>> >
>> > http://radioatticarchives.com/images/z/Zenith_6-G-610M_(1941)_Fullmer.jpg
>> >
>> > This is not it, but one just like it I picked up at a Ham Radio flea
>> > market.   Going to need the usual inside revamping, but the case is
>> > dirty.  No bumps and bruises, at least none that I can see, just dirty.
>> > The question is how can this be cleaned safely and maybe be brought
>> > back to it's original luster as best as possible?
>> >
>> > Thanks to Radio Attic archives, and thanks to all for your help.
>> >
>> > GB
>> >
> 




Article: 334121 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <e3p3c4$gks$1@news2.kornet.net>
Subject: Re: A Dirty Zenith
Message-ID: <Adb8g.24478$ZQ3.10220@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:20:32 GMT

I want $15 for it, good dial, small crack in one corner of the dial cover, 
good sailboat cloth, knobs intact and nice and clean and complete looking 
inside.

Id be happy to find Peter to exchange it with in Kutztown.

keith

"Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
news:e3p3c4$gks$1@news2.kornet.net...
>
> "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com> wrote in message 
> news:JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>I have a 6 G 601 D that is very similar,  Im bringing it to Kutztown to 
>>sell CHEAP.
>> Its missing the front cover though.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>
> How cheap is cheap? I can't come to Kutztown (don't I WISH)... but maybe 
> some deal can be struck.
>
>
> 




Article: 334122 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
Subject: Kutztown I 78 construction
Message-ID: <ehb8g.24479$ZQ3.13429@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:24:26 GMT

Are all the lanes open on 78 from Kutztown exit to Allentown?

I checked the PA DOT website and it wasnt mentioned as a problem but nothing 
like a first hand account.

Thanks,

Keith




Article: 334123 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve" <zarco@sonic.net>
References: <4460e4fd$0$65487$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <l7v162lo6p5gchbvvclikdan1gp5vgqppp@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Hoffman TV:need schematic
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:35:27 -0700
Message-ID: <44614361$0$96924$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>

Yup, its the mahogany cabinet, and its in amazingly
good condition. It has the green filter you mentioned.
I don't think it has channel 1 though, but it does have
a UHF position, possibly for an external converter.
The CRT, coils, and all of the tubes test good, so it
should be fixable.

I did get a schematic. Thanks Ed!

                     Steve

"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message 
news:l7v162lo6p5gchbvvclikdan1gp5vgqppp@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 9 May 2006 11:52:43 -0700, "Steve" <zarco@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>>Gotta stop going to junkfests.
>>
>>Picked up an unmolested Hoffman 17QXP pseudo
>>countertop TV. As far as I can tell it was built in 1952.
>>The chassis is #212, and there is a model number on
>>the back (different from 17QXP) that I cannot read.
>>From my tube layout book, it appears this chassis
>>was used in a number of sets. Mine uses a 17HP4
>>rectangular CRT. <snip>
>
> Mahogany cabinet?  I had one of those as a kid!  We also had a
> butternut finished Hoffman floor model.  Green CRT filter, aka
> "Hoffman EZ-Vision Television".  I seem to remember the 17QXP having
> Ch. 1, but that may have been another Hoffman.  From the dealer, they
> both had the station call letters for each LA area station in the
> tuner knob.
>
> Sorry I didn't keep the schemo for you now!
>
> dB 




Article: 334124 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Todd Tuckey" <tntquality@aol.com>
References: <kOJ7g.990$re6.617@trndny04> <1147121111.589122.52880@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <445FAED2.18EA2BC5@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: WTB: working 3A3 tube
Message-ID: <bNb8g.431$Ky5.399@trndny08>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:58:31 GMT

Hi!  I emailed you a few days ago about a 3A3 tube...wasn't sure if you got 
the email...is $12 okay including shipping?  let me know!  Thanks!  Todd 




Article: 334125 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 19:03:28 -0700
Message-ID: <22530-446149F0-18@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net>
References: <o5926295mdvp06v2rgfbvnulldekpofd7d@4ax.com>

>From DB:

>I've been treated as a pariah simply for 
>outing a known fraudster and con artist... 
You've been treated as a pariah for barging in here and acting out
consistently as an obsessed psycho. 

>For my trouble, I get insults and 
>derisions.

Can you spell s o c i o p a t h ?   

>That doesn't speak well for those 
>participating in here, either.

"Those participating here" are long-time established members of the NG.
Interloping nutjobs and their bitchfights are not generally well
received.
                           oc    



Article: 334126 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
Subject: 38-116 buried caps!
Message-ID: <uMc8g.12653$TT.9501@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:06:02 GMT

OK, any trick for getting the wax caps buried in the bandswitch out of there 
on the Philco 38-116?
Are these stressed caps that I should be bothering to change?

There are 2 left that unless I can figure out how to teleport I cant see how 
to get them!

Thanks

Keith




Article: 334127 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Remember those worn out Fisher tubes?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:14:19 -0700
Message-ID: <sfm262to4rng7l1603p230so3c09niajou@4ax.com>
References: <mpl16257cj7l1t4fj7ldqa1a08m9heqk2d@4ax.com> <1147198143.980301.190970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147200532.078791.184040@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147222346.361168.52520@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 17:52:26 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>not the same tubes, and all of my items have a full money back
>guarantee <snip>

...hoping to find some clueless zhlub that doesn't know any better, no
doubt, just like you do with your phony alignment tapes, and just like
you did with your homemade bootleg VHS movies and quad tapes....RIGHT
NOODLES?
>
>maybe you guys should be minding your own business already ? <snip>

Yeah...we're crowding Noodles' fraud action here!  After all, the fat
slob can't afford groceries what with the recent downtown in his
fraudBay auctions.  Some 90% of Charlie Nudo auctions FAIL.
>
>any bad or shorted tubes, get tossed in the trash here <snip>

"Trash" means eBay to Noodles.
>
>thanks for being sensible, poster #2 <snip>

"Poster #2???"  LMAO!


Article: 334128 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Remember those worn out Fisher tubes?
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:15:14 -0700
Message-ID: <tkm2621ktecht9j6rdtvs2cgbmh0ptdt25@4ax.com>
References: <mpl16257cj7l1t4fj7ldqa1a08m9heqk2d@4ax.com> <1147198143.980301.190970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147222503.110696.33800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 9 May 2006 17:55:03 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.collecting.8-track-tapes/browse_frm/thread/bbdde1746f2a5f26/#
>
>keep in mind, the OP is the same piece of vomit that changed his
>username, and posted what is in the link above <snip>

...and Charlie Nudo changes his user name about four or five times A
MORNING to post all his spam.

Pot...kettle...blacker than black, Noodles.


Article: 334129 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Hoffman TV:need schematic
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:16:46 -0700
Message-ID: <5nm2629gg5t2n3t4gqv7gch4tdlvi9hm7o@4ax.com>
References: <4460e4fd$0$65487$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <l7v162lo6p5gchbvvclikdan1gp5vgqppp@4ax.com> <44614361$0$96924$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>

On Tue, 9 May 2006 18:35:27 -0700, "Steve" <zarco@sonic.net> wrote:

>Yup, its the mahogany cabinet, and its in amazingly
>good condition. It has the green filter you mentioned.
>I don't think it has channel 1 though, but it does have
>a UHF position, possibly for an external converter.
>The CRT, coils, and all of the tubes test good, so it
>should be fixable. <snip>

Those were good sets in their day, although a horridly unstable
vertical synch circuit at times.

Good luck with your restoration!  Keep us posted.


Article: 334130 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: A Dirty Zenith
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:13:37 +0900
Message-ID: <e3rp5i$k0g$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <e3p3c4$gks$1@news2.kornet.net> <Adb8g.24478$ZQ3.10220@twister.nyroc.rr.com>


"Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:Adb8g.24478$ZQ3.10220@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>I want $15 for it, good dial, small crack in one corner of the dial cover, 
>good sailboat cloth, knobs intact and nice and clean and complete looking 
>inside.
>
> Id be happy to find Peter to exchange it with in Kutztown.
>
> keith
>
> "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
> news:e3p3c4$gks$1@news2.kornet.net...
>>
>> "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com> wrote in message 
>> news:JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>>I have a 6 G 601 D that is very similar,  Im bringing it to Kutztown to 
>>>sell CHEAP.
>>> Its missing the front cover though.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>
>> How cheap is cheap? I can't come to Kutztown (don't I WISH)... but maybe 
>> some deal can be struck.

Keith,

Sounds good to me.




Article: 334131 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga>   <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <sA18g.52807$uZ.7368@newsfe16.lga>   <dh88g.5184$re6.1955@trndny04> <1147224448.438668.18610@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <1kk8g.18$G95.5@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:41:49 GMT

AuroraOldRadios wrote:

> Here's a question from a less technical person: I have an old Precision
> Series J multi-range AC ammeter. It has binding posts for 300ma, 600ma,
> 1200ma, 3 amps, 6 amps, 12 amps, 30 amps, and 60 amps as well as the
> common terminal. Would it be suitable for use in conjunction with the
> previously mentioned isolation transformer along with some kind of
> switching arrangement for the different ranges? The unit does not have
> a switch, you just attach leads to the binding post that applies to the
> expected current range.

The switch has to be able of handling the maximum current
expected to be measured. If you wanted to use all the ranges,
then the switch would have to be capable of 60 Amps.

> The user guide says this: In pure or
> effectively resistive circuits, the product of applied (voltage X
> current drain) equals the power consumption in watts.

Meters are not free. (As far as the power they suck out of a
circuit they are measuring.) As an exaggerated example, think
over an amp meter with an internal resistance of 1 ohm. At
1 amp of current, it's going to drop 1 volt across the meter.
That's 1 watt of power consumed by the meter and unavailable
for the load. Now, if that's 1 amp at 120 volts, it is  only
a small percentage of the load power. If it's 1 amp at 12
volts, it's about 8%.

Jeff


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Article: 334132 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlk8g.19$G95.10@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:43:05 GMT

Steven wrote:

> Pathetic with all the stuff to ignore.

You have it easy. At least you don't have to wade through all
your crap as well.

Jeff


-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 334133 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 06:48:07 -0700
Message-ID: <jer3625tfedu93karfjckl6hmur8m2pjkt@4ax.com>
References: <e3oqsu$eef$1@news2.kornet.net> <1mc062pmgnhm7p9agfcqoo4p6t4p009d3o@4ax.com> <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <6m38g.9286$Nk3.2199@tornado.socal.rr.com> <bfh162pkg6usv3kb2lm1hq1tfg4nmompdb@4ax.com> <o6ednRx_u9S-OfzZnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Wed, 10 May 2006 03:28:24 -0500, "Pete KE9OA"
<p.gianako@comcast.net> wrote:

>I don't think he was talking about power ratios, but instead, power levels. 
>It is true that in the RF industry (my field) dBm is used to express power 
>levels, whether you are talking about low level amplifiers or power 
>amplifiers. With transmitters, it might be a different story.
>I do understand that with this thread, power ratios are being discussed 
>instead of absolute power levels so dBm wouldn't apply here. <snip>

The expression "dBm" expresses an absolute, the amount of power level
referenced to one milliwatt into a characteristic impedance.    When
the expression is made in "dB" with no referral, then it's simply a
ratio expressing a change at whatever circuit conditions exist at that
place and time.  In consumer or "semi-pro" audio is considered, the
figure "dB775," "dBv" or "dBu" usually expressed a specific voltage,
since hi-z loads are notoriously non standard.  Thus, if simply
reading voltage, the calculation becomes a 20log(E1/E2) rather than
10log(P1/P2) used for power in watts.


Article: 334134 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 06:49:26 -0700
Message-ID: <lpr362he28uv3pvl70chd6iktmuqtvs0n7@4ax.com>
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147265249.076712.24800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 10 May 2006 05:47:29 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>If you and your spiritual parents Nudo and Bobby-Boy <snip>

Where's my 80?

Don't tell me you cannot read a message header!


Article: 334135 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com>
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga>   <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <sA18g.52807$uZ.7368@newsfe16.lga>   <dh88g.5184$re6.1955@trndny04> <1147224448.438668.18610@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1kk8g.18$G95.5@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
Message-ID: <f8n8g.2136$NB6.669@trndny03>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:54:03 GMT

> The switch has to be able of handling the maximum current
> expected to be measured. If you wanted to use all the ranges,
> then the switch would have to be capable of 60 Amps.

Additionally, your typical 120 volt wall outlet will only let you take out 
15 or 20 amps (look in your fuse box).  Perhaps determining a "max current 
expected to be measured" that you will encounter (i.e., 1200 watt hair dryer 
is about 10 amps @ 120vac) will help define how big a switch you need. Also 
how big is your isolation transformer or variac?  That will limit what you 
need to measure.

Good Luck, be safe.

PP 




Article: 334136 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:11:03 -0700
Message-ID: <214462d5t2rcea8tll1apvp1lnamim8onh@4ax.com>
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147265249.076712.24800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <lpr362he28uv3pvl70chd6iktmuqtvs0n7@4ax.com> <1147269867.652777.262020@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 10 May 2006 07:56:11 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>Once again, I have asked for your address. This makes four, two in
>public.
>
>So, to put it painfully simply, get me an address, I will mail the
>tube. Of course, if all you want is _another_ thing to bitch about,
>just continue to go on asking. <snip>

If you were bright enough to peruse the article header of anything I
author, you'd see my address is spam (and Nudo) protected.  Simply add
the three characters under the Organization line, and presto!  Contact
is established.

If you're NOT bright enough, please follow these simple instructions:

desertbob1"AT"rglobal"DOT"net

There you have it!


Article: 334137 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS)
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:52:03 GMT
Message-ID: <e3t5pe$63u$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga> <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com> <sA18g.52807$uZ.7368@newsfe16.lga> <dh88g.5184$re6.1955@trndny04> <1147224448.438668.18610@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1kk8g.18$G95.5@tornado.socal.rr.com> <f8n8g.2136$NB6.669@trndny03>

In article <f8n8g.2136$NB6.669@trndny03>, "Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> The switch has to be able of handling the maximum current
>> expected to be measured. If you wanted to use all the ranges,
>> then the switch would have to be capable of 60 Amps.
>
>Additionally, your typical 120 volt wall outlet will only let you take out 
>15 or 20 amps (look in your fuse box).  Perhaps determining a "max current 
>expected to be measured" that you will encounter (i.e., 1200 watt hair dryer 
>is about 10 amps @ 120vac) will help define how big a switch you need. Also 
>how big is your isolation transformer or variac?  That will limit what you 
>need to measure.

In switching a meter, the switch does not necessarily have to switch the whole load,
just controlling the sensitivity of the metering circuit is enough.
Not going to happen with tubes, but a solid state amp can exceed
these ratings. A motor starting will draw many times the 15 amp limit.
It would be nice to include a metering point for a VOM, and a peak reading
VOM or oscilloscope. I starting to use a handheld scope
which is automatically isolated, which could record peak currents across
a resistor. A simple meter is mighty handy measuring the transformers
load, and it even better if it has switchable ranges. A current loop will also
measure "current" So many volts per amp is all you need.

greg
.


Article: 334138 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
Message-ID: <el9462l75jnb01ppmn6k2ft0rb2qc2bfkt@4ax.com>
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147265249.076712.24800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <lpr362he28uv3pvl70chd6iktmuqtvs0n7@4ax.com> <1147269867.652777.262020@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147282786.977879.74680@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:46:35 -0400

On 10 May 2006 10:39:47 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.collecting.8-track-tapes/browse_frm/thread/a0ed3237e683fcf9/73eeed4213dbb684?q=candid+camera&rnum=2#73eeed4213dbb684
>
>take a look for yourself at this thread


Who cares what they look like from a satellite? You guys remind me of
that movie "Dumb and Dumber" except you are both dumbest!
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 334139 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
Message-ID: <a0a462hd1lu0p6a6g5qmeva9iukmcaetjt@4ax.com>
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147265249.076712.24800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <lpr362he28uv3pvl70chd6iktmuqtvs0n7@4ax.com> <1147269867.652777.262020@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147282786.977879.74680@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <el9462l75jnb01ppmn6k2ft0rb2qc2bfkt@4ax.com> <1147283383.623342.70920@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:52:59 -0400

On 10 May 2006 10:49:43 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>if it's no big deal, then post YOUR directions to YOUR house, aerial
>photos, address, and phone number
>
>practice what ya preach, troll


206 Pheasant Ridge Dr
Warner Robins, ga 31088

look it up ass!

You can't have my phone number because I don't need crap like you
calling me. You are welcome to come talk about it in person if you
have the kahunas to do so.
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 334140 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4462291C.E61F5F0D@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga> <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com> <sA18g.52807$uZ.7368@newsfe16.lga> <dh88g.5184$re6.1955@trndny04> <1147224448.438668.18610@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1kk8g.18$G95.5@tornado.socal.rr.com> <f8n8g.2136$NB6.669@trndny03> <e3t5pe$63u$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:56:54 GMT

GregS wrote:
> 
> In article <f8n8g.2136$NB6.669@trndny03>, "Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com> wrote:
> >> The switch has to be able of handling the maximum current
> >> expected to be measured. If you wanted to use all the ranges,
> >> then the switch would have to be capable of 60 Amps.
> >
> >Additionally, your typical 120 volt wall outlet will only let you take out
> >15 or 20 amps (look in your fuse box).  Perhaps determining a "max current
> >expected to be measured" that you will encounter (i.e., 1200 watt hair dryer
> >is about 10 amps @ 120vac) will help define how big a switch you need. Also
> >how big is your isolation transformer or variac?  That will limit what you
> >need to measure.
> 
> In switching a meter, the switch does not necessarily have to switch the whole load,
> just controlling the sensitivity of the metering circuit is enough.
> Not going to happen with tubes, but a solid state amp can exceed
> these ratings. A motor starting will draw many times the 15 amp limit.
> It would be nice to include a metering point for a VOM, and a peak reading
> VOM or oscilloscope. I starting to use a handheld scope
> which is automatically isolated, which could record peak currents across
> a resistor. A simple meter is mighty handy measuring the transformers
> load, and it even better if it has switchable ranges. A current loop will also
> measure "current" So many volts per amp is all you need.
> 
> greg
> .

   In a voltmeter, yes.  In a ammeter you have to select the proper
shunt, so you have to switch the full current. Otherwise, they would
have included a cheap switch which would have cost less than the binding
posts.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334141 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:07:53 -0700
Message-ID: <6oa4625c5r9l4ebsctpubeu8cp03du879g@4ax.com>
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147265249.076712.24800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <lpr362he28uv3pvl70chd6iktmuqtvs0n7@4ax.com> <1147269867.652777.262020@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147282702.994321.44930@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 10 May 2006 10:38:23 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Peter,
>
>don't send that asshole anything- he'll plaster your name, address,
>phone number all over Google Groups and Usenet, and try to blackmail
>you into giving him money. <snip>

No, I wouldn't.  Peter Wieck is, as far as I know, a reputable person
who doesn't engage in fraud on the Internet.

> He'll also put your address in Yahoo
>search, and post aerial photos to your house, and directions to your
>house. <snip>

Sounds like EXACTLY what you did to me, remember, Noodles?  Or, do I
have to pull up the archives and show all the folks in here exactly
what you did?

>just do a search on 8-track groups, and see what this character is
>capable of- he tried to get the 8-track site shut off, by forging an
>email saying he was the starter of the group, and he wanted it closed <snip>

No one can cancel any "alt" group...it just does not happen.  To
clarify more Noodles lies, the originator of that NG, Malcolm Riviera,
was so disgusted with Charlie Nudo ruining the group (like he's doing
this one now) that he wanted to shut it down.  He didn't know exactly
how to post the cancel message, so I did.  So much for that!  Despite
Noodles' exclamations to the contrary, everything I did was at the
behest of the group's originator.  If you'd like to contact him for
verification, let me know via email.

>he also posted false info about customers of mine, and one customer
>read it and came in and tore him a new asshole <snip>

Strange he doesn't pay anything from you anymore, does he, Noodles?
>
>you are very foolish to give him any of your personal information !  he
>will only abuse the priviledge <snip>

Not at all.  Only fraudsters and petty crooks get that kind of
treatment, Noodles.  You neglect to tell what little punishments have
been doled out to you by others as well, and how many "refund" checks
you've had to write to keep pissed off buyers from posting bad
feedback.


Article: 334142 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:09:35 -0700
Message-ID: <q0b462l7om34epejfeq6eol0q907kmfdnt@4ax.com>
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147265249.076712.24800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <lpr362he28uv3pvl70chd6iktmuqtvs0n7@4ax.com> <1147269867.652777.262020@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147282786.977879.74680@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <el9462l75jnb01ppmn6k2ft0rb2qc2bfkt@4ax.com> <1147283383.623342.70920@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <a0a462hd1lu0p6a6g5qmeva9iukmcaetjt@4ax.com>

On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:52:59 -0400, Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
wrote:

>You can't have my phone number because I don't need crap like you
>calling me. You are welcome to come talk about it in person if you
>have the kahunas to do so. <snip>

Oh, he will, if you impinge upon his ability to defraud people on
eBay.  His latest thing is to call me and beep three touch tones at
me.  Cute.  He also doesn't seem to realize, that as a retired AT&T
technician, I know how to trap a line.  Since I posted that awhile
back, all's been quiet, but the trap's still active.


Article: 334143 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:10:33 -0700
Message-ID: <44b4625m6c5l4pbetcufothb6vbrqaodjo@4ax.com>
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147265249.076712.24800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <lpr362he28uv3pvl70chd6iktmuqtvs0n7@4ax.com> <1147269867.652777.262020@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147283116.573085.208590@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 10 May 2006 10:45:16 -0700, "CAINE" <nativebrookie@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I'll stick to the facts, and let the readers draw their own
>conclusions:
>
>DeserTBob aka Bob Scarborough posted this:
>
>
>From: DeserTBoB <dese...@rglobal.net>
>On 11 Aug 2005 06:00:09 -0700, "cricket" <h...@epix.net> wrote:
>My boss...ROFLMAO!  Hey, shitbag.  I PAY for my stuff, just like
>everyone else.  I'm a SATISFIED CUSTOMER...something you don't even
>HAVE!  Even Frank Schoonover's wise to your scams and frauds now,
>Noodles!
>LICK it, CRICKET!
>
>
>And when Frank Schoonover found out, Frank replied with this:
>
>
>From: "frschoonover" <frschoono...@yahoo.com>
>Dear Desert Bob
>AS Charlie put it,I am really pissed off at you for telling those lies
>here.I am still a satisfied customer of Charlie Nudo and I will always
>be a satisfied customer of Charlie Nudo's.
>I am going to give you a friendly word of advice:"NEXT TIME,WHY DON'T
>YOU PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS AND SHUT YOUR BIG MOUTH AS WELL
>AS MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS".That way,we will all get along and have some
>
>
>
>nice friendly chats rather than have your"BIG FAT POTTY MOUTH"ruin the
>atmosphere in this group.
>You know DB,if I had my way,you will no longer be in this group.That's
>the truth.Sincerely Frank R.Schoonover
>P.S.That name above is my real name and I am a real person.I live in
>NIagara Falls NY,not Drums PA.I hope that I have gotten through <snip>

Noodles' only "friend" in the world.  Sad, Noodles.


Article: 334144 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS)
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:20:59 GMT
Message-ID: <e3tauc$7e5$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga> <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com> <sA18g.52807$uZ.7368@newsfe16.lga> <dh88g.5184$re6.1955@trndny04> <1147224448.438668.18610@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1kk8g.18$G95.5@tornado.socal.rr.com> <f8n8g.2136$NB6.669@trndny03> <e3t5pe$63u$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <4462291C.E61F5F0D@earthlink.net>

In article <4462291C.E61F5F0D@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net wrote:
>GregS wrote:
>> 
>> In article <f8n8g.2136$NB6.669@trndny03>, "Paul P"
> <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> >> The switch has to be able of handling the maximum current
>> >> expected to be measured. If you wanted to use all the ranges,
>> >> then the switch would have to be capable of 60 Amps.
>> >
>> >Additionally, your typical 120 volt wall outlet will only let you take out
>> >15 or 20 amps (look in your fuse box).  Perhaps determining a "max current
>> >expected to be measured" that you will encounter (i.e., 1200 watt hair dryer
>> >is about 10 amps @ 120vac) will help define how big a switch you need. Also
>> >how big is your isolation transformer or variac?  That will limit what you
>> >need to measure.
>> 
>> In switching a meter, the switch does not necessarily have to switch the
> whole load,
>> just controlling the sensitivity of the metering circuit is enough.
>> Not going to happen with tubes, but a solid state amp can exceed
>> these ratings. A motor starting will draw many times the 15 amp limit.
>> It would be nice to include a metering point for a VOM, and a peak reading
>> VOM or oscilloscope. I starting to use a handheld scope
>> which is automatically isolated, which could record peak currents across
>> a resistor. A simple meter is mighty handy measuring the transformers
>> load, and it even better if it has switchable ranges. A current loop will
> also
>> measure "current" So many volts per amp is all you need.
>> 
>> greg
>> .
>
>   In a voltmeter, yes.  In a ammeter you have to select the proper
>shunt, so you have to switch the full current. Otherwise, they would
>have included a cheap switch which would have cost less than the binding
>posts.

I'm not sure what you mean by they, but I'm suggesting the way I would do it.

greg.


Article: 334145 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:27:42 -0700
Message-ID: <mse4625990nrkbo3tlr7mdccviah4hko3m@4ax.com>
References: <jbyrns-0905061019320001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com> <1147188875.618922.144870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <6m38g.9286$Nk3.2199@tornado.socal.rr.com> <bfh162pkg6usv3kb2lm1hq1tfg4nmompdb@4ax.com> <o6ednRx_u9S-OfzZnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <jer3625tfedu93karfjckl6hmur8m2pjkt@4ax.com> <ILudnWJXDegXrf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:27:21 -0500, "Pete KE9OA"
<p.gianako@comcast.net> wrote:

>Correct...........when I am referring to dBm, I am talking about a 0dBm 
>being 1mW into a 50 Ohm load. I did understand the context that dB was being 
>used in with this thread. I didn't realize that dBu was referring to a .775V 
>reference. <snip>

Voltage is used in hi-z gear, mainly because there's no standard load
impedance, thus making true power references unreliable.

The origin of the milliwatt as the reference point?  Around the
previous turn of the century, when telephone service was starting to
become more common, Bell's laboratory (the forerunner of Bell
Telephone Labs of Holmdel, NJ and other sites) found that a milliwatt
at 1 KHz  would provide enough power to drive the horseshoe magnet
powered receivers then standard to a point where voice would be easily
intelligible.  Thus, "TLP" (Test Level Point) for subscriber loops was
set at a milliwatt, and one mW became 0 dBm later on.  Telephone loops
were (and still are) standardized at 900 ohms, so a "zero" into 900
ohms became standard for two-wire voice circuits, while "zero" into
600 ohms became standard for four-wire long circuits.

Of course, once Western Electric started improving DeForest's
"audions" in 1911, carrier telephony became reality in late the same
year (Type "C" carrier, developed with amazing speed, when you examine
the situation) and, generally, one mW wasn't really used at voice band
for four-wire anymore, all the way until the end of analog carrier
circa 1995.  By the '40s, -16 dBm became the "line up level" standard
for transmitting channel banks leading to any of the Bell's HF carrier
systems, while either a +4 or +7 became the standard for demodded
receive.  The record industry picked +4 VU as their operating standard
in studio and broadcast environments around that same time.  All Bell
long hault carriers until the end were SSSC-LSB, with a couple of
exceptions, mainly in short haul carrier, where standard AM was the
rule.  For years, we used to use standard AM table radios to monitor
the line frequencies on some short-haul AM carrier systems.

Starting in 1946, the milliwatt was again used as the standard test
level for baseband video, and a new characteristic impedance came into
common usage for the industry, 124 ohms balanced.

Can anyone in here tell me why?  Maybe you'll win Wieck's 80 tube!

dB


Article: 334146 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS)
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:35:28 GMT
Message-ID: <e3tfa2$8fq$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga> <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com> <sA18g.52807$uZ.7368@newsfe16.lga> <dh88g.5184$re6.1955@trndny04> <1147224448.438668.18610@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1kk8g.18$G95.5@tornado.socal.rr.com> <f8n8g.2136$NB6.669@trndny03> <e3t5pe$63u$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <4462291C.E61F5F0D@earthlink.net> <e3tauc$7e5$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <44623170.1E90FBDE@earthlink.net>

In article <44623170.1E90FBDE@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net wrote:
>GregS wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure what you mean by they, but I'm suggesting the way I would do it.
>> 
>> greg.
>
>
>   Do whatever you want, but don't blame me if it burns up, or destroys
>your equipment.

Did you know I can put my VOM across that shunt and just by turning the dial
or go autoranging, I can get all different sensitivity readouts!
Nothing will burn out unless I switch to the current mode.

greg


Article: 334147 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga> <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com> <sA18g.52807$uZ.7368@newsfe16.lga> <dh88g.5184$re6.1955@trndny04> <1147224448.438668.18610@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1kk8g.18$G95.5@tornado.socal.rr.com> <f8n8g.2136$NB6.669@trndny03> <e3t5pe$63u$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <4462291C.E61F5F0D@earthlink.net> <e3tauc$7e5$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <44623170.1E90FBDE@earthlink.net> <e3tfa2$8fq$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <QBr8g.26238$QU3.15058@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:59:39 -0500

GregS wrote:
> In article <44623170.1E90FBDE@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net wrote:
>> GregS wrote:
>>> I'm not sure what you mean by they, but I'm suggesting the way I would do it.
>>>
>>> greg.
>>
>>   Do whatever you want, but don't blame me if it burns up, or destroys
>> your equipment.
> 
> Did you know I can put my VOM across that shunt and just by turning the dial
> or go autoranging, I can get all different sensitivity readouts!
> Nothing will burn out unless I switch to the current mode.
> 
> greg
> 
That's part of the point I made the other day.  The meter doesn't 
directly read current.  It reads voltage drop across a shunt...which can 
be totally external to the meter circuit proper.



Article: 334148 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:29:10 -0700
Message-ID: <rgm462leufgbbp1c3t5k7g7jit9bjrda1h@4ax.com>
References: <p5e1629sf63sd3qvl8cc3t0p1tmr71ruck@4ax.com> <3kf162tohqjcpk87dej8phtp1qeqfrhnha@4ax.com> <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <6m38g.9286$Nk3.2199@tornado.socal.rr.com> <bfh162pkg6usv3kb2lm1hq1tfg4nmompdb@4ax.com> <o6ednRx_u9S-OfzZnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <jer3625tfedu93karfjckl6hmur8m2pjkt@4ax.com> <ILudnWJXDegXrf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com> <mse4625990nrkbo3tlr7mdccviah4hko3m@4ax.com> <jbyrns-1005061532530001@216-80-74-184.d.enteract.com>

On Wed, 10 May 2006 15:32:53 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>I don't really have a clue why 124 Ohms might have been used for video, <snip>

No 80 for you!

>but that is about the impedance of a common twisted pair. <snip>

Well, that depends on the frequency of interest and bandwidth, of
course.  Twisted pair, such as frame wire, was generaly considered
600-900 ohm stuff and was run unshielded in a balanced pair, whereas
"group" frequencies (59-108 KHz) were also twisted pair, but less
twist and shielded in a DF environment.

> I would be
>tempted to say that Television video might have been sent over ordinary
>twisted pair <snip>

BZZZZZZZZT!

>, but the Telephone Company's balanced video pairs that I
>remember from my days in broadcasting were not ordinary twisted pairs. <snip>

Ding!

>IIRC the Telco cables had a larger spacing, which I would think might lead
>to a higher impedance, and they were shielded, often with a hazardous
>substance.  That was the incoming video from the Telephone Company, the
>video circuits within a facility tended to be unbalanced 75 Ohm coaxial
>cable. <snip>

Anyone else?  The answer's embarassingly simple.


Article: 334149 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44626463.343982DC@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga> <Cx08g.9266$Nk3.1175@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147182076.004916.186310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <bg18g.14498$MP2.11404@tornado.socal.rr.com> <sA18g.52807$uZ.7368@newsfe16.lga> <dh88g.5184$re6.1955@trndny04> <1147224448.438668.18610@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1kk8g.18$G95.5@tornado.socal.rr.com> <f8n8g.2136$NB6.669@trndny03> <e3t5pe$63u$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <4462291C.E61F5F0D@earthlink.net> <e3tauc$7e5$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <44623170.1E90FBDE@earthlink.net> <e3tfa2$8fq$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:09:53 GMT

GregS wrote:
> 
> In article <44623170.1E90FBDE@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net wrote:
> >GregS wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what you mean by they, but I'm suggesting the way I would do it.
> >>
> >> greg.
> >
> >
> >   Do whatever you want, but don't blame me if it burns up, or destroys
> >your equipment.
> 
> Did you know I can put my VOM across that shunt and just by turning the dial
> or go autoranging, I can get all different sensitivity readouts!
> Nothing will burn out unless I switch to the current mode.
> 
> greg


   No I don't know a damn thing. 40 years of making a living repairing
and designing has taught me nothing according to people like you. 
Getting "All kinds of readings" is meaningless.  The device discussed in
this thread had multiple shunts for different ranges.  You need
different shunts for different ranges and a special switch to select the
proper shunt without leaving the meter in line with the load without a
shunt to protect it.  DO it your way, with meaningless readings and
damaged equipment if you want.  I no longer give a damn.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334150 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: 38-116 buried caps!
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <uMc8g.12653$TT.9501@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <O5v8g.143218$oL.136371@attbi_s71>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:57:34 GMT

In article <uMc8g.12653$TT.9501@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, 
topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com says...
>
>
>OK, any trick for getting the wax caps buried in the bandswitch out of there 
>on the Philco 38-116?
>Are these stressed caps that I should be bothering to change?
>
>There are 2 left that unless I can figure out how to teleport I cant see how 
>to get them!
>
>Thanks
>
>Keith
>
>
Hi Keith.. not a problem to get to those caps.. just take the chassis
apart and its easy to get into the sides of the coil area.. will send you
a jpeg image of one rolled up to get at it..
John k9uwa



Article: 334151 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <uMc8g.12653$TT.9501@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <O5v8g.143218$oL.136371@attbi_s71>
Subject: Re: 38-116 buried caps!
Message-ID: <KOv8g.12778$TT.1469@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:45:30 GMT

Thanks to John I have a Plan, thanks to everyone else's advice too.

Im taking a nice hi-res digital photo too, so I can zoom in later if 
something else comes loose.

Keith

"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message 
news:O5v8g.143218$oL.136371@attbi_s71...
> In article <uMc8g.12653$TT.9501@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com says...
>>
>>
>>OK, any trick for getting the wax caps buried in the bandswitch out of 
>>there
>>on the Philco 38-116?
>>Are these stressed caps that I should be bothering to change?
>>
>>There are 2 left that unless I can figure out how to teleport I cant see 
>>how
>>to get them!
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>
> Hi Keith.. not a problem to get to those caps.. just take the chassis
> apart and its easy to get into the sides of the coil area.. will send you
> a jpeg image of one rolled up to get at it..
> John k9uwa
> 




Article: 334152 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <e3p3c4$gks$1@news2.kornet.net> <Adb8g.24478$ZQ3.10220@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <e3rp5i$k0g$1@news2.kornet.net>
Subject: Re: A Dirty Zenith
Message-ID: <aQv8g.12780$TT.2561@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:47:02 GMT

Ill find Peter and do the transaction with him and leave him with the set so 
long as thats Ok with Him.

Sounds like a plan!

Keith

"Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
news:e3rp5i$k0g$1@news2.kornet.net...
>
> "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com> wrote in message 
> news:Adb8g.24478$ZQ3.10220@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>I want $15 for it, good dial, small crack in one corner of the dial cover, 
>>good sailboat cloth, knobs intact and nice and clean and complete looking 
>>inside.
>>
>> Id be happy to find Peter to exchange it with in Kutztown.
>>
>> keith
>>
>> "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
>> news:e3p3c4$gks$1@news2.kornet.net...
>>>
>>> "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>>>I have a 6 G 601 D that is very similar,  Im bringing it to Kutztown to 
>>>>sell CHEAP.
>>>> Its missing the front cover though.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>
>>> How cheap is cheap? I can't come to Kutztown (don't I WISH)... but maybe 
>>> some deal can be struck.
>
> Keith,
>
> Sounds good to me.
>
> 




Article: 334153 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <ehb8g.24479$ZQ3.13429@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1147263709.686199.110210@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Kutztown I 78 construction
Message-ID: <FUv8g.12781$TT.9759@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:51:49 GMT

Yea, I wanted to avoid 222 this time and take 78 to the Kutztown exit.  what 
im wondering about is the section of 78 from Allentown west to the Kutztown 
exit... where the construction has been in the past.

Thanks,

Keith


"Mike Koste" <michael.koste@zurichna.com> wrote in message 
news:1147263709.686199.110210@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Southbound 222 right after you exit 78 is under construction. No big
> deal. Other than that, it should be smooth sailing,
> 




Article: 334154 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Now do i get here with a computer ?
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:41:58 -0600
Message-ID: <10707-44628856-134@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net>

I have a computer on line now along with webtv . How do i receive the
usenet .. is it ? news groups on computer ?
My service provider is MSN the same provider as webtv  



Article: 334155 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: 38-116 buried caps!
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:00:55 -0400
Message-ID: <12653696ds24pc5@corp.supernews.com>
References: <uMc8g.12653$TT.9501@twister.nyroc.rr.com>

 I ALWAYS get my cap! So far, anyway- and I've done some tight ones like the 
Scott I posted pics of on binary recently.

It you can reach the end terminals is all that matters- analyse these 
carefully first. Often the old bypass cap goes all over the world but really 
connects #2 and #4 terminals and the new one can go between those directly 
without the detour neeeded for the old big cap.

Sometimes twisting the cap body until the leads break is needed . Sometimes 
it's the most professional way as surrounding components are FAR less 
disturbed. Use a long nosed cutter if possible but take care cutting leads 
behind. Then twist, snip, or bend n' break the wire stubs, marking the end 
terminals if needed like to get another cup of coffee. It's best to clean 
off and thread the new caps lead through of course but wrapping it tightly 
around after removing excess solder and then adding more works fine too. I 
have several sets like an AK 70 that OEM have connections everywhere simply 
set on pads in puddles of solder- no physical support other than solder. So 
any wrap around is better than that :)

As Mark says sometimes the cap can be removed and the new one relocated- 
they may have just put it there before the bandswitch or RF deck.

Good luck, godspeed,

John H. 




Article: 334156 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4462970B.8B73C128@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Now do i get here with a computer ?
References: <10707-44628856-134@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:46:03 GMT

"Ken G." wrote:
> 
> I have a computer on line now along with webtv . How do i receive the
> usenet .. is it ? news groups on computer ?
> My service provider is MSN the same provider as webtv


   You can use the "WEBTV for windows" interface, or set up a free
account on any of a number of free news servers.  What operating system
are you using?  there are some differences in how to set things up,
depending on which operating system you are using.

Here is a link to some useful software to protect your computer while
you are on line.  There are free versions of all of these for personal
use:

<http://home.earthlink.net/~computersforvets/links.html>


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334157 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <1147302983.214280.206050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <TJednQidxtojFf_ZRVn-tg@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: identify turntable in movie
Message-ID: <l5x8g.10026$k%2.7153@trnddc03>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 02:13:37 GMT

Gee, this is like the Thunderbird message group.  Would you believe, there 
are databases out there that log every TV show, and every movie, where a 
Thunderbird is spotted?

I suppose it's time to start spotting radios and turntables to see which 
ones become famous due to their appearance in a TV show.  We already know 
about the Waltons; this is the radio equivalent to the T-Bird in American 
Graffiti, or Thelma & Louise, or the most recent version of Flubber.

I came close to getting mine in a movie (Thunderbird, not radio).  They took 
photos and got information on the car, then rejected it because it was too 
"flashy" and instead used a 65 Fairlane owned by a friend of mine.  They 
spent an afternoon shooting scenes, then they went bankrupt before the movie 
ever came out.  Ho hum.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com



"graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:TJednQidxtojFf_ZRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>
> "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com> wrote in message 
> news:1147302983.214280.206050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> was watching "indecent proposal" the other week and noticed a very
>> strange turntable.  it's in the scene where she is showing him (rich
>> guy) a house and he puts an album on and asked her to dance. (gag)
>> anyway, it is probably some high dollar audiophile thing...just
>> wondering.
>
> yes it is a "high dollar audiophile thing..."
> 




Article: 334158 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: identify turntable in movie
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 02:21:21 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e3u731$l1j$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1147302983.214280.206050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <TJednQidxtojFf_ZRVn-tg@comcast.com> <l5x8g.10026$k%2.7153@trnddc03>

In <l5x8g.10026$k%2.7153@trnddc03> "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> writes:

>Gee, this is like the Thunderbird message group.  Would you believe, there 
>are databases out there that log every TV show, and every movie, where a 
>Thunderbird is spotted?

>I suppose it's time to start spotting radios and turntables to see which 
>ones become famous due to their appearance in a TV show.  We already know 
>about the Waltons; this is the radio equivalent to the T-Bird in American 
>Graffiti, or Thelma & Louise, or the most recent version of Flubber.

>"graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>news:TJednQidxtojFf_ZRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com> wrote in message 
>> news:1147302983.214280.206050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>> was watching "indecent proposal" the other week and noticed a very
>>> strange turntable.  it's in the scene where she is showing him (rich
>>> guy) a house and he puts an album on and asked her to dance. (gag)
>>> anyway, it is probably some high dollar audiophile thing...just
>>> wondering.
>>
>> yes it is a "high dollar audiophile thing..."

   I've never seen the movie, but I remember someone telling me
about it because I've got the same 'table: it's a VPI TNT with
an ET-II (Eminent Technology) tonearm.  Not so sure it'll ever
become "famous", but I gotta admit one of the reasons I bought
the bloody thing a long time ago was 'cuz it's so goddess-damn
cool looking.  And, uh, yeah -- it does a decent job of playing
records, too. :)

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 334159 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: Now do i get here with a computer ?
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:21:32 -0400
Message-ID: <4cfldeF15sp5hU1@individual.net>
References: <10707-44628856-134@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net>

Ken G. wrote:

> I have a computer on line now along with webtv . How do i receive the
> usenet .. is it ? news groups on computer ?
> My service provider is MSN the same provider as webtv

Ken
there are two ways that you can do this
1. go to www.google.com & sign up for a usenet account. you could then
access & post to usenet using your browser. this way is recommended for new
computer users. 

2. chances are, you allready have outlook express installed on your PC. it
is installed by default in every windows installation i have seen. it also
is a newsreader as well. however, i recommend that you search for a better
"stand alone" newsreader like Forte Agent, Forte Free Agent, Microplanet
Gravity, or similar. 
the one problem that you are going to have is that MSN does not provide
access to usenet with your PC. you will need to open a NNTP account with
one of several usenet feeds that are available. supernews is a good one. 

before you sign up to google or supernews it is highly recommended that you
create a email account with hotmail, or yahoo, or any freemail sites. do
NOT use your main email address as a contact or "reply to" address when you
create your google or supernews account. 
-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 334160 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: Now do i get here with a computer ?
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:23:34 -0400
Message-ID: <4cflh6F15sp5hU2@individual.net>
References: <10707-44628856-134@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> <1147310295.421895.63650@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Steven wrote:

> You either pay for a news provider or use Google Groups. I asume it
> about 23 minutes everything from which provider to which antivirus
> program, yada will come along.
> 
> AVG 7 Free is a good start, you get more if you pay but this is a great
> deal to start with. Adaware SE is the free version of Lavasoft's
> security scan program, has add-ons (at least VX-2 cleaner is a good
> start), you can work from there.
> 
> If you haven't got your antivirus scanner yet www.free.grisoft.com,
> scroll down...www.lavasoft.com for Adaware.
> 
> Note cleaning the temporary internet files (cache) will also clean most
> objects that are bugging you, though not all. I suggest creating a
> shortcut to "Internet Options" (the one that allows you to cler
> History, Cookies and temp files) and dragging it to the taskbar for
> easy access.
> 
> Good luck!

steve, 
take your smart-assed remarks somewhere else
-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 334161 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <1147265249.076712.24800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147309332.114317.58020@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Gyx8g.86$9W5.46@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 02:44:54 GMT



Steven wrote:
> Did you EVER get that Andrea TV fixed, Jeff?

No. I'm in the process of starting a business.
You know, where you WORK for a living. Oh, never mind.
That's a foreign concept to someone who just gets their
money magically every month.

Jeff


-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 334162 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: identify turntable in movie
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 02:48:35 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e3u8m3$1ke$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1147302983.214280.206050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>    <TJednQidxtojFf_ZRVn-tg@comcast.com>    <l5x8g.10026$k%2.7153@trnddc03>    <e3u731$l1j$1@reader1.panix.com> <1147314974.044389.48040@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

In <1147314974.044389.48040@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com> writes:

>thanks.  yea it is cool looking.  got to have one to play my collection
>of southern rock LPs on.  a little skynyrd on a VPI TNT would make an
>audiophile cringe wouldn't it?

   Heh.  When I'm boppin' around the house I mostly listen to hardcore
industrial -- stuff that makes you wanna go drill holes in your brain.
I sat in the "sweet spot" once to listen to Orbital's "Satan".  It
sounded awful.  I was so pleased. :)

   When not banging my head against the wall, however, the table does
make well-recorded classical & jazz very seductive indeed.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Article: 334163 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William R. Walsh" <newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.com>
References: <e3h22k$jl3$2@reader1.panix.com> <9730-445C2A39-1165@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: New use for that old 8-track deck
Message-ID: <OTx8g.143419$oL.46491@attbi_s71>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 03:07:26 GMT

Hi!

> Why the heck
> would anybody want to buy something like that?

http://greyghost.dyndns.org/doingthelaundry/

(high bandwidth recommend - plenty of pictures)

The front loaders are vastly more efficient when it comes to water use.
Electrical usage is very similar, probably due to all the spinups and
spindowns.

I don't really care for 'em...and they make the AM band on a classic (or
modern) radio unlistenable.

William




Article: 334164 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: identify turntable in movie
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 03:48:57 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e3uc79$22u$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1147302983.214280.206050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <TJednQidxtojFf_ZRVn-tg@comcast.com>   <l5x8g.10026$k%2.7153@trnddc03>   <e3u731$l1j$1@reader1.panix.com> <1147314974.044389.48040@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4_-dnVrJkcHPM__ZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com>

In <4_-dnVrJkcHPM__ZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com> "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net> writes:


>"Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com> wrote in message 
>news:1147314974.044389.48040@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>> thanks.  yea it is cool looking.  got to have one to play my collection
>> of southern rock LPs on.  a little skynyrd on a VPI TNT would make an
>> audiophile cringe wouldn't it?

>I put a photo of the TNT with the ET arm on the binaries, I have a
>VPI turntable (not this model) and it has had Skynyrd, Allman Bros.,
>Gov't Mule, Marshal Tucker on it many times ...

   Clean rock guitar can really shine on these turntables.  You hear
every little finger movement.  You'd swear you can almost hear sweat
on the guitarist's fingertips. :)  It's eerie.

   Obviously, this is lost when the guitar distortion is turned up
to "11", which is why it doesn't do much for industrial.  I'm listening
to Front Line Assembly's "Prophecy" as I type this, which I'd never
even bother spinning on the TNT.

   But, yeah -- I think southern rock would sound awesome!

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 334165 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: push pull vs. single ended- opinions ?
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:54:56 -0700
Message-ID: <mag562l5n72m0vfa2ccdjgudcejprgq54d@4ax.com>
References: <snf1625eoikoedd8lsbvvl4tmi5r2rfhr3@4ax.com> <6m38g.9286$Nk3.2199@tornado.socal.rr.com> <bfh162pkg6usv3kb2lm1hq1tfg4nmompdb@4ax.com> <o6ednRx_u9S-OfzZnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <jer3625tfedu93karfjckl6hmur8m2pjkt@4ax.com> <ILudnWJXDegXrf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com> <mse4625990nrkbo3tlr7mdccviah4hko3m@4ax.com> <jbyrns-1005061532530001@216-80-74-184.d.enteract.com> <rgm462leufgbbp1c3t5k7g7jit9bjrda1h@4ax.com> <jbyrns-1005062103470001@216-80-74-22.d.enteract.com>

On Wed, 10 May 2006 21:03:47 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>The unshielded Twisted Pair used to provide Telephone and 10BaseT Ethernet
>service in Homes and Offices is rated as 100 Ohm cable, not too far from
>your 124 Ohm figure. <snip>

Common.  Base T1/DS1, within the CO environment, would be run on
"ABAM" cable and cross connected with shielded twisted 22 ga and the
circuit impedance is 110 ohms.

>I would imagine that the impedance at video
>frequencies is also closer to 100 Ohms than to the "600-900 ohm" figure
>you refer to for "frame wire". <snip>

Well, 600 or 900 ohm is for C-weighted message usually, although 15
KHz audio also was run on the same 22 ga twisted pair on frames,
unshielded, at 600 ohms.  Such circuits usually were cabled through
the office on 50 pair 22 ga. cable.  At higher frequencies, like the
basic carrier group, each group was run on a separate 135 ohm "slow
twist" pair with a braided sleeve.  124 ohm video was run on the same
stuff in the office to interconnect various gear within the TVOC or
radio environment.  However, the local loops are just as you
described..."slow twist" wide spaced pair of 11 ga solid, rubber or
Teflon disk insulated, spiral copper shielded and lead sheathed.  In
construction, the video balanced cable design was an outgrowth of long
haul coaxial cable used in the Bell System from 1940 into the early
'80s.

Anyone else care to tackle the 124 ohm quiz?

Wieck?    Wieck?    Wieck?

Beuhler?   Beuhler?   Beuhler?


Article: 334166 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
Message-ID: <s6h562h5jfv3s6ul9ne36ebevh9i3ffml9@4ax.com>
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147265249.076712.24800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147303355.115962.24890@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1147303720.449450.162800@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:00:34 -0400

On 10 May 2006 16:28:40 -0700, "Steven"
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I'll be damned again if this didn't turn into the Itchy and Scratchy
>Show
>
>Hey, Tracy, you aren't using the airbase's network anymore are you?


Maybe, you still using your mom's account?
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 334167 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4462C80A.4FF31644@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Short reading today...
References: <1147233643.685772.7670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147265249.076712.24800@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147303355.115962.24890@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1147303720.449450.162800@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <s6h562h5jfv3s6ul9ne36ebevh9i3ffml9@4ax.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 05:15:11 GMT

Beerbarrel wrote:
> 
> On 10 May 2006 16:28:40 -0700, "Steven"
> <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> >I'll be damned again if this didn't turn into the Itchy and Scratchy
> >Show
> >
> >Hey, Tracy, you aren't using the airbase's network anymore are you?
> 
> Maybe, you still using your mom's account?


   Steven's mother on the internet?  Do you have him mixed up with
Norman Bates of "Psycho" fame?


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334168 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gizmofiddler" <file13@nojunkmail.com>
References: <1146960685.320068.257640@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Philco 38-10 knobs?
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:28:10 -0500
Message-ID: <4462caf9_3@newspeer2.tds.net>

<nc183d@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1146960685.320068.257640@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Hi All,
> I need a complete set of knobs for the Philco 38-10. It is a small
> wooden bullet set, it has the 3 regular (circa 1938) Philco knobs on
> the bottom row and the 2 part Philco knob on top with the knob and
> skirt type assembly. Originals or reproductions will be fine. Anyone
> know where I can find these?
> rgds,
> Mark S.
>

This guy (Larry) does nice work:

Old Time Replications
5744 Tobias Ave.
Van Nuys, CA 91411

Phone - 818-786-2500
Fax - 818-909-0241
E-mail - oldtimerep@aol.com
Web site - http://www.antiqueradioknobs.com 




Article: 334169 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: identify turntable in movie
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 05:53:50 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e3ujhd$2l4$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1147302983.214280.206050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <TJednQidxtojFf_ZRVn-tg@comcast.com> <l5x8g.10026$k%2.7153@trnddc03> <e3u731$l1j$1@reader1.panix.com> <s3h562lu60eequ5h45o55o38q9diktckc6@4ax.com>

In <s3h562lu60eequ5h45o55o38q9diktckc6@4ax.com> DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net> writes:

>VPI also makes a helluva disc cleaner for those too lazy to use manual
>methods and have a lot of bucks.

   They're not too bad if you pick one up used.  And they're well
built and simple, so that's not too much of a risk.  IIRC, there's
three models: the HW-17 that's automatic everything, the HW-16
where you have to (gasp! :) apply the cleaning fluid by hand, and
the HW-16.5, which I *think* is an evolution of the 16, somehow:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9722076859

   Years ago I bought a 16 that was "upgraded" to a 16.5 from a
friend for, I think, $300.  Mine looks exactly like this, complete
with the fugly fake wood grain:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9725302122

   They work great!  If you've got a lot of vinyl, especially if
you buy a lot of used records, they're fun toys.

>I dunno if the ET arm is all that good for high compliance cartridges
>though, due to its mass.  I still like my old SME 3009 Series 3 for
>that, after all these years.

   I'm using a Koetsu Rosewood Signature, and it sounds alright.
ET did something interesting with the counterweight: it's coupled
to the arm tube with a short I-beam that's compliant in the horizontal
plane but stiff vertically.  They claim this seperates horizontal
and vertical resonances.  Dunno if this is all that important in
the real world, but it's an interesting idea.

> The VPI table's greatest asset is inherent coolness.

   That's true.  I haven't even been listening to it lately and it
still looks good just sitting there! :)

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Article: 334170 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: OT, but radio related...sorta
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:03:09 -0700
Message-ID: <q5o562t5ouikt0p57hp7pifh44b5tedqhj@4ax.com>

By far the most amazing scale aircraft I've ever seen:

http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv 

It's realistic enough to give me shivers, and I know the prototype
well.  8 real turbines, and enough whistle to convince you that there
are 8 J57s on this thing!  Quite awe inspiring.


Article: 334171 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken <wklwns@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Motorola console with center bass channel
References: <1147346348.599280.229470@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <BwF8g.75336$gE.67576@dukeread06>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:48:45 -0400

I have a 1961 Heath AA-100 with a center chan, but not necessarly bass. 
The feed comes comes off both  OT, sort of a fill in, I guess. Ken

CAINE wrote:

> OK you old radio gurus, riddle me this:
> 
> I have a Motorola stereo console, phono w/AM-FM, it is an early 1960's
> unit, with the center bass channel woofer.
> 
> Is it push-pull, or single ended ?
> 
> I didn't look closely at it yet, but just wondering if anyone has
> tinkered with one of these before.
> 



Article: 334172 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <1147346348.599280.229470@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <BwF8g.75336$gE.67576@dukeread06>
Subject: Re: Motorola console with center bass channel
Message-ID: <SoG8g.7116$Fh.4227@trnddc02>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:48:50 GMT

I used to have a Heathkit stereo, and it seems it was an AA-100, but don't 
remember for sure.  It had a vinyl coated case that was rather orange-ish, a 
chrome bezel, and clear plastic knobs.  It lit up like a Christmas tree when 
turned on, and you turned it on and off by pressing the "Heathkit" logo in 
the lower right corner.  There were two pieces -- the tuner and the amp, 
both with the same styling.  Just one more of those really cool stereos I 
wish I still had . . .

However I don't remember it having a center channel.  I DO however remember 
a Fisher that had exactly that, and I was probably the only person east of 
the Mississippi that actually tried using it.  At the time I lived up north, 
in the land where houses had basements.  Ours was finished off as a large 
rec room, and the stereo had speakers in two corners, rather far from each 
other.  I used a good mono amp and third speaker, set it in the center, and 
adjusted the volume just right -- you could hear both stereo channels 
anywhere in the room, not just in the center, and it sounded great.  I'll 
take that Fisher back, AND the Heathkit.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com



"Ken" <wklwns@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:BwF8g.75336$gE.67576@dukeread06...
>I have a 1961 Heath AA-100 with a center chan, but not necessarly bass. The 
>feed comes comes off both  OT, sort of a fill in, I guess. Ken
>
> CAINE wrote:
>
>> OK you old radio gurus, riddle me this:
>>
>> I have a Motorola stereo console, phono w/AM-FM, it is an early 1960's
>> unit, with the center bass channel woofer.
>>
>> Is it push-pull, or single ended ?
>>
>> I didn't look closely at it yet, but just wondering if anyone has
>> tinkered with one of these before.
>>
> 




Article: 334173 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: WTD: Unobtainium!
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:37:22 +0900
Message-ID: <e3veki$5di$1@news2.kornet.net>

Just got my SX-25. I need some parts for it now. :)

1) grid cap for 6K8
2) P-P output transformer for 6F6 pair to 8 ohm output OR matching 
transformer for either 500 ohm or 5000 ohm to 8 ohm output (I have no way to 
come up with a speaker of either of those impedences).
3) Decals for SX-25 front panel (this thing needs to be sanded/sandblasted 
and repainted, so I know I'm going to lose the originals)

Hope someone can help me with some of this. I'm no deadbeat, I'll pay for 
it.

TIA





Article: 334174 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: FA: not mine, nice Scott 800B ?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <h6GdnYEW5aPWLv_ZRVn-vg@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <ijH8g.967194$xm3.299214@attbi_s21>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:51:10 GMT

In article <h6GdnYEW5aPWLv_ZRVn-vg@comcast.com>, moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet 
says...
>
>
>This should be a 800B, which was 1946-8, but its got an updated 3 speed
>changer from 1950-54 or so I think.  Nice...
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Scott-Floor-Console-Tube-Radio-Phono-Amp-NoRes_W0
QQitemZ6628812475QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>Mark Oppat
>
>
>
hate to say it... but if this guy put the radio chassis and amp in one
auction and that Jensen speaker in another auction... deepsixed the cabinet
and phono ... it would definitely bring more money than it will as a unit
that can't be shipped...

John



Article: 334175 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: WTB: Tube shield for Philco 51 (551)
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1147352835.703612.206160@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <HuH8g.725187$084.668473@attbi_s22>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:03:19 GMT

In article <1147352835.703612.206160@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
mldenison@suscom.net says...
>
>
>I'm restoring a Philco 551 (same as 51) and it's missing the three
>section tube shield.  Does anyone have oen they'd part with?
>

Hi Mort.. see pictures of the Kokomo, IN radio meet... we bought
for one of our locals the Philco 551. Can't offer you the one and
only shield we have thats in the radio. But it could be copied
in some form of alumunim or sheetmetal... 

John k9uwa



Article: 334176 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mike Schultz" <mls2004@SPAMSPAMSPAMverizon.net>
References: <1147352835.703612.206160@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Tube shield for Philco 51 (551)
Message-ID: <1MI8g.7464$IL2.3366@trnddc04>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:30:05 GMT

I have an extra shield from a model 20.  Any idea if that would fit?

-- 
Mike Schultz


"m82a1pa" <mldenison@suscom.net> wrote in message 
news:1147352835.703612.206160@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I'm restoring a Philco 551 (same as 51) and it's missing the three
> section tube shield.  Does anyone have oen they'd part with?
> 




Article: 334177 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Benjamaniac" <benjamaniac@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:34:58 -0600
Message-ID: <e3vlj0$41f2$1@news3.infoave.net>
References: <1147354154.095166.313110@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

     Terry...although your post well worded and shows your concern for the
newsgroup, I for one will not cut and run just because a few bozo's like to
raise hell just to get their jollies. For me, it's always been easy enough
to sort the BS from the good stuff...and there is a LOT of good stuff here.
You old timers here took me in when I was so damned green at this that I
didn't know the difference between a cap and a resistor. This group has been
where I learned 90% of everything I know today...and I would like to thank
every one of you for what you've taught me. Rest assured fellow
newsgroupies...these sorry assed trolls will pass...like bad gas...and we'll
still be here.
              Ben


"Terry S" <tschw10117@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1147354154.095166.313110@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> May 2006.
>
> We are sad today to announce the passing of our Usenet group
> Rec.Antiques.Radio+Phono.
>
> R.A.R.+P. was formed in Sept of 1994 and thrived for over a decade
> before succumbing to a fatal infection brought on by usenet trolls.
>
> For years rec.antiques.radio+phono provided us a forum for lively
> discussion on the topic of collecting, repairing and restoring antique
> radios. It was populated by intelligent, thoughtful, like-minded
> individuals, people with a common interest in old radios and phonos.
> Yet we were diverse in those interests as well, spanning the spectrums
> of experience, talents, skills and abilities. We had grizzled old
> veterans, green newbies, and everyone in between.
>
> We had diverse political and social views; we were conservatives,
> liberals, libertarians and middle-of the-roaders. We lived all over the
> world, had backgrounds as varied as humanity itself, and outlooks just
> as diverse.
>
> We talked radios, we talked politics, we discussed world events. We
> reviewed (and sometimes rewrote) history; pontificated on war,
> religion, economics, culture, ecology, economy, energy. We shared
> ideas, argued, lamented. We usually respected each others ideas,
> although at times we got hot-headed.
>
> We always got back to talking about radios. That was our common
> interest. Archaic, outmoded technology that just still happens to be
> viable. At least for now.
>
> We certainly had our share of characters. Some are still here, others
> have passed into usenet history and lore. Sadly, some have simply
> passed on....
>
> But R.A.R.+P. grew ill these last few week. R.A.R.+P. became infected
> by a few trolls from other groups, spreading their ill will, personal
> battles, hatred, and vengeful platitudes throughout this group. They
> polluted the virtual environment. The infection spread like a virtual
> pandemic, crossing into other groups as well. They even infected other
> individuals with their sickness. The individuals responsible refused to
> depart, refused to squelch their noise generating mechanisms. They
> became so vociferous that reading R.A.R.+P. became painful and futile.
>
>
> What was once a wonderful discussion group became a useless spectre of
> itself, a shadow of what it once was. No longer a place to share ideas,
> techniques, troubleshooting tips and gentle barbs. No longer a venue to
> swap services, parts, radios, and know-how. No longer a place to learn,
> to mentor, to share successes or failures.
>
> Rec.Antiques.Radio+Phono has become an inhospitable place, an
> uncomfortable place. A place to avoid.
>
> I hope this obituary is premature, but in case it is not,
>
> Rest in peace, Rec.Antiques.Radio+Phono. Rest in peace.
>
>
>
> Terry.
>




Article: 334178 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com>
References: <1147354154.095166.313110@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Message-ID: <ygJ8g.3408$Zf3.2598@trndny01>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:04:46 GMT

The liberal use of "Block Sender" helps.  I clear it once every two months 
or so and start over.

PP 




Article: 334179 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:04:48 -0400
Message-ID: <1266rlk5n58qj6f@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1147354154.095166.313110@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <ygJ8g.3408$Zf3.2598@trndny01>

Paul P wrote:
> The liberal use of "Block Sender" helps.  I clear it once every two months 
> or so and start over.
> 
> PP 
> 
> 
And for those who are crippled by not having a newsreader to block these 
ranting idiots, PUHLEEEZE don't engage them in conversation just because 
they seem to be having a cogent moment.

-Bill


Article: 334180 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Message-ID: <if1762dl0it4dg2q02dknbs9us6pr6buvn@4ax.com>
References: <1147354154.095166.313110@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <ygJ8g.3408$Zf3.2598@trndny01> <1266rlk5n58qj6f@corp.supernews.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:49:29 GMT

On Thu, 11 May 2006 13:04:48 -0400, - exray - <exray@coqui.net> wrote:

>And for those who are crippled by not having a newsreader to block these 
>ranting idiots, PUHLEEEZE don't engage them in conversation just because 
>they seem to be having a cogent moment.

And, if you just can't resist engaging an idiot, please don't quote it
(the idiot)  in your reply, as it makes you seem almost as much an
idiot, or maybe more so.


Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 334181 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William R. Walsh" <newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.com>
References: <1147354154.095166.313110@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Message-ID: <VHL8g.144341$oL.85025@attbi_s71>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:50:29 GMT

Hi!

I'm a relative newcomer to the group (and, in some ways, radio
collecting/restoration/enjoyment) but I've not seen an excessive amount of
troll activity on the group. I wouldn't call it dead.

In fact, probably some of the worst behavior I've noticed comes from some
folks that seem to have been here for a while...folks who *do* post on-topic
and interesting discussion.

William




Article: 334182 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve" <zarco@sonic.net>
Subject: ALWAYS use an isolation transformer!!!
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:18:15 -0700
Message-ID: <44638df9$0$65493$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>

Hi Guys and Gals,
I've always been in the habit of using an isolation transformer
when working on an AC/DC, or series filament sets, which
are normally sets that do not use a power transformer. If a set
has a transformer, and uses 6 volt tubes it was always safe to
do without an isolation transformer.

NOPE!

I've been working on the Hoffman TV I mentioned a few posts
back (looking for schematics). It uses 6 volt tubes and has a
power transformer. Shouldn't need to use an isolation transformer.
Looking at the schematic (luckily before I did a smoke test) I
discover that the transformer is an auto-transformer (i.e.-no
isolation) for the filaments only. B+ is right from the line!

Thanks for the schematics Ed. You may have saved my life!

                                  Steve 




Article: 334183 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz>
References: <e3veki$5di$1@news2.kornet.net>
Subject: Re: Unobtainium!
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:27:29 -0700
Message-ID: <3pCdnceS8OK3Df7ZRVn-gQ@giganews.com>

> 3) Decals for SX-25 front panel (this thing needs to be sanded/sandblasted 
> and repainted, so I know I'm going to lose the originals)

Dry transfer letters?

Phil Nelson




Article: 334184 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: WTB: Tube shield for Philco 51 (551)
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1147352835.703612.206160@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147356998.976807.274130@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <XmM8g.144393$oL.112169@attbi_s71>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:36:23 GMT

In article <1147356998.976807.274130@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, 
mldenison@suscom.net says...
>
>
>Hi John,
>
>I'm still working on that Zenith and still remember about the chassis
>:>)
>
>There's a guy that makes replicas of the tube shield but I was hoping
>to find a vintage one.
>
>Could I trouble you for a picture of the motor (from the back,
>mounted)?  I'm also trying to get a Hammond replacement and I've found
>someone that has them but he needs a picture to match it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mort
>
Hi Mort ... well the 551 cabinet with clock is here.. my part time
guy has the chassis for the usual recap and I won't see him for
a couple weeks.... so in a couple of weeks I can compare the tube
shield in the 51 to a 20 .. I do have a 20 here.. on the picture..
watch your email address will shoot a couple and send them to you.

John k9uwa



Article: 334185 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44639655.CC5CA16B@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: PANANASONIC AM/FM TUBE MODEL #730 WHAT YEAR MADE?
References: <1147375017.605933.7360@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:55:44 GMT

swingst1@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to figure out the date of manufacture of a Panasonic Model
> #730.
> 
> It has CD markings on the dial. I'm thinking early 60's?
> 
> It had a put put from the Electrolyitcs, A few hours in the Veriac  and
>  its playing like new. No hum either. I'll replace the caps when I get
> a chance.
> 
> Huge sounding radio. Even at half power, it's  very sensitive.
> 
> Any date info is greatly appreciated!!
> 
> Thanks Barry F.


   There is a Panasonic BU730 in Sams Photofacts 574-7. It was published
in 1962.

   The number posted doesn't sound like a complete model number.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334186 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <446397AA.CA1B4FDA@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Ronette Cartridge pin connections
References: <1146368145.598451.67720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:01:16 GMT

Gerry wrote:
> 
> Ok, the saga continues...  Took it apart, found the multi-section
> capacitor, but also found some single ones, the 1 inch X 3 inch
> cardboard variety.  Only mark I can remember off-hand is 100v.  Anyway
> it seems to have leaked wax from it.  After seeing this hardened pool
> of wax, I recall another phono I had did the same thing.  I just threw
> that one out, but it was the same symptom:  low volume, garbled sound,
> pool of wax. Took it to a local TV shop, but they're claiming this
> capacitor tests fine.  Doesn't make sense to me. Should I take it to
> another shop, or tell them just to replace that capacitor anyway?


   It would be cheaper to replace the cap then pay a second shop,
wouldn't it?  Did they say HOW they tested the capacitor?  There are a
lot of wrong ways, and only a few right ways.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334187 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:08:39 -0700
Message-ID: <10972-446399C7-185@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1147354154.095166.313110@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

>From Terry:

>I hope this obituary is premature...

It is premature, without a doubt. I've been here exactly 9=BD years, and
remember some political flamewars *among old-time members* that'd pale
the current little froth-fest to near nothing. Those flamewars quickly
died out, as will this little locust raid. The NG will continue to
survive and thrive.
                            Bill(oc)   



Article: 334188 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: PANANASONIC AM/FM TUBE MODEL #730 WHAT YEAR MADE?
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:05:31 -0400
Message-ID: <12679p6mdnf9k60@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1147375017.605933.7360@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44639655.CC5CA16B@earthlink.net>

Michael A. Terrell wrote:


> 
> 
> 
>    There is a Panasonic BU730 in Sams Photofacts 574-7. It was published
> in 1962.
> 
>    The number posted doesn't sound like a complete model number.
> 
> 
Might be the same thing.
CD markings had pretty much gone by 1963 although there were a few 
stragglers.  If its indeed a Panasonic versus National Panasonic I think 
that also places it about 62-63
Here's an ebay one.  They seem fairly common.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6626215297

-Bill


Article: 334189 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: identify turntable in movie
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:09:15 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e4095r$a2r$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1147302983.214280.206050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>    <TJednQidxtojFf_ZRVn-tg@comcast.com>    <l5x8g.10026$k%2.7153@trnddc03>    <e3u731$l1j$1@reader1.panix.com>    <1147314974.044389.48040@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    <4_-dnVrJkcHPM__ZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com> <1147350701.865605.215510@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

In <1147350701.865605.215510@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com> writes:

>i can't get the binaries.  i would like to see it.

   If you're talking about mine I'll take a shot of it when I get
my camera back from a friend.

>  in my minds eye, i
>conjure up an image of an audiophile sitting in an overstuffed
>chair...in an accoustically correct room....in the "sweet
>spot"....nude.....eyes closed...sipping on a glass of white
>wine....

   Heh-heh-heh... Nope, not even close! :)

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc.
------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 334190 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Uncle Pete" <radioconnectionNO@SPAMcox.net>
Subject: Email addresses
Message-ID: <xcO8g.59247$IZ2.34934@dukeread07>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:41:41 -0400

I forgot to bring over my address book from the old computer, so... If 
anyone wishes, send me an email at
radioconnection (@) cox.net and I will add you to my new address book upon 
receipt. Peter, Eddie, Jeff, Hagstar, etc...

Pete 




Article: 334191 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT, but radio related...sorta
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:55:02 -0700
Message-ID: <21c7625ov7otp5cas7078ocbg5d32avmbt@4ax.com>
References: <q5o562t5ouikt0p57hp7pifh44b5tedqhj@4ax.com> <1147333183.569706.202540@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147374225.568530.231440@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 11 May 2006 12:03:45 -0700, "toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com> wrote:

>D'OH!
>
>Wonder what happened here.  Looked like it was just cruising along, and
>dropped like a rock. <snip>

Tip stall.  Note the attitude of the wings right before it fell; the
aircraft did a 90° roll and was almost vertical.  In such an attitude,
the wings of a slow moving, large craft (well, in comparison) lose
lift, and goes into an uncontrolled dive.  If he had enough altitude
to try to get some controllable air under the wings, he might have
been able to pull it out, but something as heavy as this airframe
(this model and the prototype) would have a really tough time of it
without being damaged.

There are at least two crashes of the real thing, one of which I
witnessed in person, where the same almost exact thing happened...the
pilot erred or got a little too daring, put the B-52 up on a wingtip
and down it goes.  The one I saw was on approach to McChord AFB near
Spokane in 1987.  The pilot of the B-52G was too tight to the field on
his downwind leg and tried to bank/turn too sharply to get his final
without doing a go-round, with predictable results.  In that case, he
was banking his turn a mere 1000 ft. from the ground, so once he lost
lift, it was all over.  In that one, he was at approach speed with
partial flaps, so it only took about a 60° roll to lose lift.  NOT a
recommended sight or sound.

Shame about those chaps' model.  Word is it's being rebuilt, but what
a loss.

dB


Article: 334192 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mike Schultz" <mls2004@SPAMSPAMSPAMverizon.net>
References: <1147352835.703612.206160@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1147356998.976807.274130@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <XmM8g.144393$oL.112169@attbi_s71> <1147378701.058768.278110@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: WTB: Tube shield for Philco 51 (551)
Message-ID: <gxO8g.12495$0d3.463@trnddc08>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:03:56 GMT

The 20 shield has only three compartments.

-- 
Mike Schultz


"m82a1pa" <mldenison@suscom.net> wrote in message 
news:1147378701.058768.278110@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks, John.  The pictures will be a blessing.  I went out and looked
> on Nostalgia Air at the 20 schematic.  There's a picture of the
> underside of the chassis.  It appears the 20 has 4 tubes down the side
> but the 51 only has three tubes down the side unfortunately, if there's
> compartments for the tubes the 20 has one too many.
> 




Article: 334193 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mike Schultz" <mls2004@SPAMSPAMSPAMverizon.net>
References: <1147352835.703612.206160@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1147356998.976807.274130@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <XmM8g.144393$oL.112169@attbi_s71> <1147378701.058768.278110@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <gxO8g.12495$0d3.463@trnddc08>
Subject: Re: WTB: Tube shield for Philco 51 (551)
Message-ID: <7SO8g.12536$0d3.1407@trnddc08>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:26:11 GMT

The 20 shield is about 6.5 inches wide, and 2.25 inches wide.  Mounting is 
two screws on the rear apron of the chassis, and a spring clip on the 
chassis at the front.

-- 
Mike Schultz


"Mike Schultz" <mls2004@SPAMSPAMSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message 
news:gxO8g.12495$0d3.463@trnddc08...
> The 20 shield has only three compartments.
>
> -- 
> Mike Schultz
>
>
> "m82a1pa" <mldenison@suscom.net> wrote in message 
> news:1147378701.058768.278110@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> Thanks, John.  The pictures will be a blessing.  I went out and looked
>> on Nostalgia Air at the 20 schematic.  There's a picture of the
>> underside of the chassis.  It appears the 20 has 4 tubes down the side
>> but the 51 only has three tubes down the side unfortunately, if there's
>> compartments for the tubes the 20 has one too many.
>>
>
> 




Article: 334194 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4463C43E.15813D60@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Ronette Cartridge pin connections
References: <1146368145.598451.67720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:09:49 GMT



Gerry wrote:
> 
> Well, no - it didn't cost me anything for him to look at it.  However,
> I have the feeling he's just not "old school" enough to know how to
> work on a tube amp from 43 years ago.  While he didn't mention how he
> tested the capacitor that was leaking wax, he did say that he thought
> the transformers (that drive the speakers) appeared to be burnt.
> Unfortunately, he had no clue what would have caused that.  The good
> news is that the three tubes checked out good at 100%.  The bad news is
> I got it back unrepaired, so I'm right back where I started - no volume
> and garbled.
> 
> Gerry


   Change the cap first.


-- 
HELP! My sig file has escaped! ;-)


Article: 334195 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Jim Barnard" <jbarnard@ftc-i.net>
Subject: Zenith Info Another Try
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:16:34 -0400
Message-ID: <e40gkj$55ci$1@news3.infoave.net>

I have been trying for several months to find out information about the 
people who engineered and designed the first Zenith Royal 500 transistor 
radio as well as the Zenith Royal 500H--two big home runs for Zenith.

The radios are well documented both in hobby books and on the web; but no 
names and faces of the Zenith people behind the radios. I have posted all 
the info at my disposal about Zenith transistor radios on my website 
www.transistor-repairs.com. I would like to add some personal info about the 
grand folks who made them.

Any leads will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


-- 
Jim Barnard
www.transistor-repairs.com
Specializing in Zenith Transistor
Radio Repair/Restoration 




Article: 334196 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Darned Audiophools!
References: <1147391807.978463.196020@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <VOQ8g.12896$TT.9535@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:39:17 GMT

Dave, could you post the auction number? I did a search and got 645 
hits,I didn't realize that name was used still for cheap crap computer 
speakers. Why would they want old field coil speakers with stiff spiders 
for Hi-Fi?

pgonshor@aol.com wrote:
> There is a pair of Lansing speakers on ebay.  I have a Jackson Bell
> that needs an original Lansing speaker.  It is an early 30's cathedral
> that is a marginal performer compared to modern standards.  The speaker
> technology is "antique".  Nonetheless, I wanted an original speaker.
> These speakers on ebay are an exact match to the speaker I need.  Well,
> wouldn't you know it.  The Lansing name has driven the audiophools to
> bid these speakers (one is quite rusty) up to $330 with 5 days to go.
> Makes you think about buying Jackson Bell swans and removing the
> speaker, throwing the rest away, and make a killing with the
> audiophools with the lowly speaker.  Amazing!
> Dave
> 


Article: 334197 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:54:41 -0700
Message-ID: <k2n762tlgooicjuik52rp3q8skaevhesqb@4ax.com>
References: <1147354154.095166.313110@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <10972-446399C7-185@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> <1147394292.669211.165580@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 11 May 2006 17:38:12 -0700, "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com>
wrote:

>yea OC, i have see some good duels here also.  been in a few myself.
>but, at the end of the day the disagreement was about something of
>substance that both parties felt strongly about. we would still respect
>each other when it was over. this current group of chimps just like to
>hear themselves talk and take it to a lower level than ever before.
>what kills me is they post some page-long childish rant, then turn
>right around and try to join in on another thread like nothing
>happened.  phil, i realize that silence is the best measure,  i just
>get sick of it. <snip>

Then shut the hell up.  YOU'RE the chimp here along with some of these
others.  GIVE IT UP ALREADY.  You got Nudo now...YOU figure out what
to do with him.  As for your opinion of me, who gives a rat's ass? All
I did was try to warn this group of a documented eBay scammer and
general scumball and all I got was a bunch of crap for it.

Next time, I'll just let you people suffer the consequences, when he
comes back under yet another one of his aliases.


Article: 334198 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1147391807.978463.196020@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Darned Audiophools!
Message-ID: <4FQ8g.7399$kW2.91358@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:28:35 -0400


<pgonshor@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1147391807.978463.196020@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> There is a pair of Lansing speakers on ebay.  I have a Jackson Bell
> that needs an original Lansing speaker.  It is an early 30's cathedral
> that is a marginal performer compared to modern standards.  The speaker
> technology is "antique".  Nonetheless, I wanted an original speaker.
> These speakers on ebay are an exact match to the speaker I need.  Well,
> wouldn't you know it.  The Lansing name has driven the audiophools to
> bid these speakers (one is quite rusty) up to $330 with 5 days to go.
> Makes you think about buying Jackson Bell swans and removing the
> speaker, throwing the rest away, and make a killing with the
> audiophools with the lowly speaker.  Amazing!
> Dave


Lansing speakers using a field coil aren't common so expect to pay a premium 
even
if no audiophools around.

I sold a 15" 2 years ago for 450$US. It was in splendid condition though.

Good luck in your quest.

Syl 




Article: 334199 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <uMc8g.12653$TT.9501@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <12653696ds24pc5@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: 38-116 buried caps!
Message-ID: <_6R8g.12898$TT.7733@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:00:42 GMT

Oh Ill get it!  Now Im challenged and determined!

Keith


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
news:12653696ds24pc5@corp.supernews.com...
> I ALWAYS get my cap! So far, anyway- and I've done some tight ones like 
> the Scott I posted pics of on binary recently.
>
> It you can reach the end terminals is all that matters- analyse these 
> carefully first. Often the old bypass cap goes all over the world but 
> really connects #2 and #4 terminals and the new one can go between those 
> directly without the detour neeeded for the old big cap.
>
> Sometimes twisting the cap body until the leads break is needed . 
> Sometimes it's the most professional way as surrounding components are FAR 
> less disturbed. Use a long nosed cutter if possible but take care cutting 
> leads behind. Then twist, snip, or bend n' break the wire stubs, marking 
> the end terminals if needed like to get another cup of coffee. It's best 
> to clean off and thread the new caps lead through of course but wrapping 
> it tightly around after removing excess solder and then adding more works 
> fine too. I have several sets like an AK 70 that OEM have connections 
> everywhere simply set on pads in puddles of solder- no physical support 
> other than solder. So any wrap around is better than that :)
>
> As Mark says sometimes the cap can be removed and the new one relocated- 
> they may have just put it there before the bandswitch or RF deck.
>
> Good luck, godspeed,
>
> John H.
> 




Article: 334200 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <1147137787.383957.224560@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   <JkS7g.24425$ZQ3.9869@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   <e3p3c4$gks$1@news2.kornet.net>   <Adb8g.24478$ZQ3.10220@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   <e3rp5i$k0g$1@news2.kornet.net>   <aQv8g.12780$TT.2561@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1147344469.508674.276790@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: A Dirty Zenith
Message-ID: <n9R8g.12899$TT.5605@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:03:15 GMT

Great, Ill find you at some point.  Set is in the car already.

Keith


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1147344469.508674.276790@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Works for me. I will be at the Club Table working the clinic.
>
> No problem making the $15 fee. Brenda Ann is good for it.
>
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 




Article: 334201 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Todd Tuckey" <tntquality@aol.com>
References: <kOJ7g.990$re6.617@trndny04> <1147121111.589122.52880@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <445FAED2.18EA2BC5@earthlink.net> <bNb8g.431$Ky5.399@trndny08> <Bc-dnX9E9NK6nP7ZRVn-tw@gwi.net>
Subject: Re: WTB: working 3A3 tube
Message-ID: <LaR8g.6260$re6.850@trndny04>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:04:43 GMT

paypal sent!  Thanks very much...another old set will be up and running! 
Todd 




Article: 334202 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:13:54 -0500
Message-ID: <2313-4463E152-296@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
References: <k2n762tlgooicjuik52rp3q8skaevhesqb@4ax.com>

I HAVE LOOKED AT THE NERDS AND HE IS US.  IF YOU AND ALL THE OTHERS WILL
HOLD YOUR TONGUE  YOU WILL SOON BE FREE OF THE GARBAGE.


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 334203 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Now do i get here with a computer ?
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:18:39 -0600
Message-ID: <11610-4463E26F-460@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net>
References: <jNednVIcn67DOP_ZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com>

Thanks guys . I dont know much about the technical names of computers .
My computer is about 4 years old and has windows XP if that helps . 
I may just use webtv to see these groups as i dont spend much time in
usenet groups .
I have learned though ebay goes 15 times faster on the PC :-)   



Article: 334204 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: WTD: Unobtainium!
References: <e3veki$5di$1@news2.kornet.net>
Message-ID: <zwR8g.69846$Jk3.55266@bignews5.bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:28:13 -0400

Brenda Ann wrote:
> Just got my SX-25. I need some parts for it now. :)
> 
> 1) grid cap for 6K8
> 2) P-P output transformer for 6F6 pair to 8 ohm output OR matching 
> transformer for either 500 ohm or 5000 ohm to 8 ohm output (I have no way to 
> come up with a speaker of either of those impedences).
> 3) Decals for SX-25 front panel (this thing needs to be sanded/sandblasted 
> and repainted, so I know I'm going to lose the originals)
> 
> Hope someone can help me with some of this. I'm no deadbeat, I'll pay for 
> it.
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> 
You can use half of a 3AG fuse holder for the grid cap connector.


Article: 334205 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: ALWAYS use an isolation transformer!!!
References: <44638df9$0$65493$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <1147379641.486452.327600@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <%yR8g.69847$Jk3.43361@bignews5.bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:30:48 -0400

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>  The oltimers didn't use an isolation transformer, they had a hot and
> neutral rail on their bench and always knew which was which. All an
> isoformer does is _defines_ where the hot side is if you are going to
> connect the chassis to ground, which you have to do to use a scope or
> any other nonfloating test equipment.
> 
>  In those days they hardwired the bench. I recommend using a four
> conductor dryer outlet so you get the neutral, ground, and one of the
> hots (just do not connect to the other for 115V)  and use a neon light
> to verify which is hot like oldtimers did.
> 
>  I still like having an isoformer available but don't ned it for AC/DC
> work.
> 
>  Another alternative for AC/DC sets is use a DC B+ supply set down to
> 120 V or so. I have several JFK/MM era LabVolt panels. that provide
> 0-140VAC on outlets, and 0-350V B+ AC, and 0-10 VDC all from the variac
> and transformers plus straight 6.3 VAC and line voltage. LabVolt is
> horribly overpriced new but the old stuff can occasionally be had on
> eBay. Dipshit Don Lancaster sticks his nose up at it because "schools
> stupidly close their electronics"-no Don, they wisely close their
> electronics because they are vo-techs and no one is hiring.
> 
Might also be a good idea to install a GFI outlet to plug the radio into.


Article: 334206 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1147391807.978463.196020@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <VOQ8g.12896$TT.9535@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Darned Audiophools!
Message-ID: <RhR8g.9492$kW2.113693@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:12:23 -0400


"Lou deGonzague" <zenith@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:VOQ8g.12896$TT.9535@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Dave, could you post the auction number? I did a search and got 645 hits,I 
> didn't realize that name was used still for cheap crap computer speakers. 
> Why would they want old field coil speakers with stiff spiders for Hi-Fi?

Search for "pair lansing speaker*"

That's what I did and eBay returned just a few auctions.

Syl 




Article: 334207 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4463EE19.6095906@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Now do i get here with a computer ?
References: <jNednVIcn67DOP_ZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@giganews.com> <11610-4463E26F-460@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 02:09:38 GMT

"Ken G." wrote:
> 
> Thanks guys . I dont know much about the technical names of computers .
> My computer is about 4 years old and has windows XP if that helps .
> I may just use webtv to see these groups as i dont spend much time in
> usenet groups .
> I have learned though ebay goes 15 times faster on the PC :-)


   Ken, you can e-mail me if you have any questions about your computer.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334208 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Darned Audiophools!
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 02:51:53 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e40t88$9fg$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1147391807.978463.196020@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    <VOQ8g.12896$TT.9535@twister.nyroc.rr.com>    <RhR8g.9492$kW2.113693@wagner.videotron.net>    <1147400072.259590.204560@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1147401177.690914.49920@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

In <1147401177.690914.49920@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> pgonshor@aol.com writes:

>Interesting logic by Bret Ludwig.  Note that we are talking about a
>speaker that is ancient technology that most assuredly sound orders of
>magntide worse that a cheap Radio Shack speaker of today.  Yet, he
>formulates a position that the price of the ancient speaker should by
>100X that of the modern speaker.  Unreal!

   Check out this little darlin':

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6627654861

I doubt audiophools are responsible for that hefty price tag,
which will no doubt end quite a bit higher.  And this is a
radio that is most assuredly an order of magnitude worse than
a cheap Radio Shack unit of today.

>Also, catalin radios look really cool (I'm not a collector - cannot
>afford).  Lansing speakers from 30's JB radios sound really crappy.

   I'm with ya there.  Sound-wise speakers have come a long way.
But who knows what turns an item into a "must-have" for some
folks?

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 334209 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: identify turntable in movie
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 03:05:01 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e40u0t$knr$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1147302983.214280.206050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <TJednQidxtojFf_ZRVn-tg@comcast.com>   <l5x8g.10026$k%2.7153@trnddc03>   <e3u731$l1j$1@reader1.panix.com>   <1147314974.044389.48040@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <4_-dnVrJkcHPM__ZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com> <1147350701.865605.215510@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <isCdnaaX5KmJZP7ZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>

In <isCdnaaX5KmJZP7ZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com> "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net> writes:

>"Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com> wrote in message 
>news:1147350701.865605.215510@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>>(all tongue in cheek)

>.. I hope so, you wouldn't want it sticking out and getting in the
>   way of the music, would you? 

   graham, ya might be on to something there!  Nose too pointy?
Getting unwanted reflections from them earlobes?  Audiophile
Surgery to the rescue!

   I have several friends who are into EBM (Extreme Body Modification,
aka home surgery).  They might be able to help out. :)

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 334210 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: donlk@webtv.net (Gridleak)
Subject: Re: Darned Audiophools!
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:12:35 -0600
Message-ID: <25801-4463FD23-151@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4FQ8g.7399$kW2.91358@wagner.videotron.net>

This thread reminded me that have a pair of monstrous Altec Lancing
"Voice of the Theater" speakers that have been in storage for 30 years .
Bought them in the 60s when I could hear above 4 kc. I don't have the
model # at hand but can dig thru some junk and get them. I would like to
know where to go to find out if they have
any value to the Audioph---s er audiophiles.

DON
AC7PD





















Article: 334211 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Ronette Cartridge pin connections
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1146368145.598451.67720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147395490.361074.256530@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <2hT8g.725981$084.637762@attbi_s22>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 03:27:58 GMT

In article <1147395490.361074.256530@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
gerryu21220@yahoo.com says...
>
>


in a word... Yup that part will work fine... but .. your going to pay
those people a handling fee and postage that will pale the price of
the capacitor.... so .. before you do that... conside replacing any
other capacitors that are in this thing at the same time... one order
and get all of them... 


psst ... don't tell anyone that RadioDaze is cheaper... has same parts and 
doesn't charge a "Handling Fee" ... 

http://radiodaze.com/

still order up all the capacitors and replace all of them in that thing
... bet your problem goes away at that point!

anyone have a schematic of this phono player so we make sure that he gets
all the right parts?.. 

John k9uwa



>CAPACITOR, AXIAL LEAD ELECTROLYTIC, 100 µF @ 160 VDC
>
>C-ET100-160
>
>High quality low leakage tubular electrolytic capacitor. Rated for 85°
>C operation.
>Tolerance -20%, +50%.
>Size .63" dia. x 1.18" length
>
>Will that work?  It's only $2.39.
>



Article: 334212 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: none <""knoppix\"@(none)">
Subject: Re: WTD: Unobtainium!
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:31:58 -0400
Message-ID: <e40vgg01ug5@news3.newsguy.com>
References: <e3veki$5di$1@news2.kornet.net>

Brenda Ann wrote:
> Just got my SX-25. I need some parts for it now. :)
> 
> 1) grid cap for 6K8
> 2) P-P output transformer for 6F6 pair to 8 ohm output OR matching 
> transformer for either 500 ohm or 5000 ohm to 8 ohm output (I have no way to 
> come up with a speaker of either of those impedences).
> 3) Decals for SX-25 front panel (this thing needs to be sanded/sandblasted 
> and repainted, so I know I'm going to lose the originals)
> 

Decals won't fly...This set has a slightly wrinkly paint job, and they 
won't stick well. Silkscreening is your best bet, albeit expensive. A 
junker SX-25 with a good cabinet might be cheaper still.


-Scott
-- 
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth


Article: 334213 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: LED replacements for #44 and #47
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:26:30 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.12.04.26.29.723567@nospam.com>
References: <1147404005.992272.174080@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On Thu, 11 May 2006 20:20:06 -0700, AuroraOldRadios wrote:

> I was perusing the latest Newarkinone catalogue tonight when I noticed
> LED replacement lamps for #44 and #47 amongst others. White light
> versions are $7.91 each. A little pricey considering the regular lamps
> are about .50 each. I wonder how one of these would hold up in an AA5?
> These draw 20 ma compared to 150 ma for a 47. I know a lot of the old
> hifi stuff could use these, maybe reduce the drain on the transformer a
> little.

There are at least two considerations.  One is the color.  There are many
varieties of "white".  Most LEDs have a lot of blue in their light.  On
the other hand, incandescent lamps like the 44 and 47 that are designed
for relatively long life produce a lot of red.  If you put a typical LED
in your radio, it will light up the dial but it won't look right.  There
are "warm white" LEDs but they aren't common.

Another factor is the electrical rating.  LEDs draw a lot less current
than incandescent lamps.  If the power comes from a transformer, that
could be a good thing.  But it is a different story in an AA5.  There the
power for the light comes from the current flowing in the plate circuit of
the rectifier tube (check a schematic, the rectifier plate connects
directly to the lamp).  A portion of the rectifier heater is shunted
across the lamp to spare it from the surge current (for charging the
filter capacitors when the tubes are already hot) that result when the
radio is turned off and right back on (or if the power fails for a
second).  With a LED for the lamp, the excess plate current would flow
through the heater tap, causing the heater to fail prematurely (this also
happens when an ordinary lamp burns out).  If the rectifier heater fails,
all of the plate current and all of the heater current flows through the
LED.  This is far beyond its ratings and it will fail too.  You could
probably get it to work by shunting the LED with a resistor to bypass the
excess current in normal operation and using Zener diodes or some other
method to protect the LED in the event of a rectifier failure.  Its a lot
of work for something that is intended to make life easier!

Have fun,

-- 
Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz.
Then replace nospam with sacbeemail.


Article: 334214 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: WTD: Unobtainium!
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <e3veki$5di$1@news2.kornet.net> <e40vgg01ug5@news3.newsguy.com>
Message-ID: <kxU8g.941924$x96.688679@attbi_s72>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 04:53:36 GMT

In article <e40vgg01ug5@news3.newsguy.com>, ""knoppix\"@none" says...
>
>
>Decals won't fly...This set has a slightly wrinkly paint job, and they 
>won't stick well. Silkscreening is your best bet, albeit expensive. A 
>
>-Scott

Not saying that Silkscreening still isn't the best but.... apparently you
have never experienced Micro-Sol and Micro-Set in dealing with Decals?.

that stuff will make your decal suck down tight even on a wrinkle paint
job... available at your favorite hobby store... 

the above is also how you make decals that are flat .. set tight on
compound curved surfaces.. 

John k9uwa



Article: 334215 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: WTD: Unobtainium!
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 05:48:19 -0400
Message-ID: <1268mffd85ab428@corp.supernews.com>
References: <e3veki$5di$1@news2.kornet.net> <e40vgg01ug5@news3.newsguy.com> <kxU8g.941924$x96.688679@attbi_s72>

John Goller, k9uwa wrote:

> In article <e40vgg01ug5@news3.newsguy.com>, ""knoppix\"@none" says...
> 
>>
>>Decals won't fly...This set has a slightly wrinkly paint job, and they 
>>won't stick well. Silkscreening is your best bet, albeit expensive. A 
>>
>>-Scott
> 
> 
> Not saying that Silkscreening still isn't the best but.... apparently you
> have never experienced Micro-Sol and Micro-Set in dealing with Decals?.
> 

> John k9uwa
> 

See this example:
http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7117&highlight=decal+setting+solution

-Bill


Article: 334216 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: Darned Audiophools!
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 05:51:22 -0400
Message-ID: <1268mkuf3sn8b41@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1147391807.978463.196020@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <7IWdncT4ELjjlPnZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@giganews.com>

Phil Nelson wrote:

>>Makes you think about buying Jackson Bell swans and removing the
>>speaker, throwing the rest away
> 
> 
> Sounds like a winner. You find a bunch of J-B swans and Peter Pans, keep the 
> speakers, and ship the worthless "rest" parts to me (at my expense) instead 
> of throwing them in the garbage.

I'll take the grid cap clips!  I had to scrounge for three for a project 
just the other day.  I wound up robbing them from another chassis 
waiting restoration.

-Bill


Article: 334217 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: 1920s French Superhet - Radio LL Super Baby
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:52:50 -0400
Message-ID: <1268tosc5q82adb@corp.supernews.com>

I recently acquired this old superhet and managed to bring it to life. 
Here's some details should anyone be interested.  I found little or no 
other information on the net regarding this radio so hopefully this will 
be helpful to someone.

http://www.sparkbench.com/ll/ll.html

-Bill


Article: 334218 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1147391807.978463.196020@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147401718.583157.306210@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Darned Audiophools!
Message-ID: <_m09g.18008$kW2.213606@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:48:49 -0400


"CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote in message 
news:1147401718.583157.306210@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> And a 1970 GTO just sold for over $100,000 at auction as well.
>
> so ?
>
> that doesn't make them fools...
>
> they just have more money than you

Money never made anyone smarter...

Syl 




Article: 334219 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <k2n762tlgooicjuik52rp3q8skaevhesqb@4ax.com> <2313-4463E152-296@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Message-ID: <0I09g.18010$kW2.217429@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:11:15 -0400

"Bill Turner" <dialcover@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:2313-4463E152-296@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
>I HAVE LOOKED AT THE NERDS AND HE IS US.  IF YOU AND ALL THE OTHERS WILL
> HOLD YOUR TONGUE  YOU WILL SOON BE FREE OF THE GARBAGE.
>

Bill,

It never worked, never will. Why do you think skippy is still around ? Too 
tempting to reply.
This ng has been on artificial respirator for the past two years. Now I read 
>from someone else
what I said a year and a half ago...Many "regulars" have left the building 
for other places, unfortunately.

Syl 




Article: 334220 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:11:25 -0600
Message-ID: <364-4464978D-41@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
References: <WjV8g.1574$Jf.407@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>

There are still a few real good guys here that hang out no matter what .
There are some that refuse to try another place . The list of regular
names has become few .
This newsgroup will never change but only bounce back & fourth like it
always has .
Just use a different group or forum , problem solved :-)  



Article: 334221 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4464ad09$0$31637$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
References: <k2n762tlgooicjuik52rp3q8skaevhesqb@4ax.com> <2313-4463E152-296@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> <0I09g.18010$kW2.217429@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: 12 May 2006 15:43:05 GMT

Syl <personne@perdu.com> wrote:
> It never worked, never will. Why do you think skippy is still around ? Too 
> tempting to reply.
> This ng has been on artificial respirator for the past two years. Now I read 
> from someone else
> what I said a year and a half ago...Many "regulars" have left the building 
> for other places, unfortunately.

I am mostly lurking, but would try my best to contribute if I have 
anything useful to say. I do respond once in a while, but most of my 
knowledge is on European stuff and non-antique electronics. I still think 
the best tactic is to post useful answers, stories, experiences, hints 
etc. So that the crap is outnumbered, this should be easy to do with less 
than a handfull (I know of about four people that fall into this category 
beyond reasonable doubt, apologies if I forgot to count someone in) of 
people posting about less usefull nonsense or personal vendettas.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 334222 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4464ae89$0$31637$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: LED replacements for #44 and #47
References: <1147404005.992272.174080@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1147442953.236236.308750@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1147444745.486933.111090@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1147445796.592085.3400@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: 12 May 2006 15:49:29 GMT

shoppa@trailing-edge.com <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
> Now, if you like the cool-white or cool-blue look of the LED's and also
> like splotchy uneven illumination, that's great. I just don't like it
> myself.

An alternative could be to use electro-luminiscent foil. Philips has made 
a radio in the mid sixties, utilizing a glass electroluminiscent panel as 
green dial lighting. When this panel or its connections burn out or crack, 
it is sometimes replaced by the more modern foil that can be bought for 
case-modding in some computer shops. If I am not mistaken this foil is 
produced in several other colours as well, so it might be suitable.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 334223 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: - exray - <exray@coqui.net>
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:54:41 -0400
Message-ID: <1269fem1gjhr52f@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1147354154.095166.313110@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <10972-446399C7-185@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net>   <1147394292.669211.165580@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <k2n762tlgooicjuik52rp3q8skaevhesqb@4ax.com> <1147451677.029585.66740@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Eddie Brimer wrote:

> i commend you on your self-awareness there DB.  nobody has mentioned
> your name, but you can clearly see that you are one of the chimps we
> are talking about.  why would you automatically assume you are who we
> are talking about?
> 

Dammit eddie!  Stop it.


Article: 334224 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "DALE Allen" <radiodale@verizon.net>
Subject: WTB - Riders Vol. 23 
Message-ID: <Lu39g.180$RY2.102@trnddc02>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:21:47 GMT

I'm looking for Vol. 23 in VG or better condition. Quote including media 
mail shipping to ZIP 20170.
                          Thank you,
                                            Dale 




Article: 334225 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga> <jbyrns-0905061037290001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Isolation transformer
Message-ID: <jo59g.7275$5A6.2961@newsfe16.lga>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:33:12 -0500


"John Byrns" <jbyrns@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:jbyrns-0905061037290001@216-80-74-136.d.enteract.com...
> In article <HGT7g.62726$aD6.34931@newsfe18.lga>, "Nelson Gietz"
> <ngietz@mts.net> wrote:
>
> >         All the recent talk about isolation transformers prompted me to
> > haul out the 1000VA unit I have here, and an old PA amp
> > chassis and cover to mount it on.  (It has exposed top terminals
> > for both windings.)  It also will nicely accomadate a 40W series load
> > lamp.
> >     I also dug out a nice 3A full scale DC ammeter, and plan to use
> > it with a solid state bridge rectifier to monitor the current draw.
> >     If I understand the math correctly, any readings would have to be
> > multiplied by 1.41 to get the real current measurement.  Is that
correct?
> >     Question is... is there any way to get the ammeter to give
> > accurate readings?  Would a cap across its DC input make any
> > useful difference?
>
> It all depends on what you consider to be an accurate reading?  Using a DC
> ammeter in the circuit you describe will read the average current, not the
> RMS current, but then how many AC ammeters actually read true RMS current
> anyway?  With a resistive load, or sine wave current, a DC ammeter
> connected as you describe will give a reading equal to 90% of the RMS
> current, different factors will apply to different current wave forms such
> as those seen at the input to an old radio.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Byrns

Thanks, John, and all others who responded.  I went downstairs to the
techies at the station to ask about this, and one of them handed me an
Amprobe.  My meter, using a cliplead setup as described with the bridge and
a hundred-watt bulb, read .76 amp.  The Amprobe has  a one-tenth amp
resolution in that range, and read .8.  I did the math... .76 amp at 120VAC
came to about 101 watts, if my numbers were right.  Close enuff for my
purposes.
    Cheers,
    Nelson




Article: 334226 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Ronette Cartridge pin connections
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1146368145.598451.67720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1147426922.754531.275610@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <1w59g.726838$084.723093@attbi_s22>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:39:41 GMT

In article <1147426922.754531.275610@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
gerryu21220@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>Otherwise, I'll have to try and copy it by hand, or find someone with a
>digital camera with a macro lens...
>
>Gerry
><gerryu21220@yahoo.com>
>

Digital camera would be best... or draw it out by hand... 

John



Article: 334227 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Robert Murrell" <murrellr-dummy@ameritech.net>
Subject: Still looking for logos
Message-ID: <hJ59g.5010$fb2.477@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:53:49 GMT

I'm still looking for radio manufacturer logos for a project.  I don't have 
any logos for the following.  If you have a scan, please post in on 
alt.binaries.pictures.radio, or e-mail to me at murrellr at ameritech dih 
net.  The logos will be printed at 1.5 inch high max (up to 6 inch wide), so 
they don't have to be very high resolution.

Rob Murrell

Airline
Silvertone
Crosley - postwar
Dewald
Emerson
Philco - postwar
V-M
Heathkit




Article: 334228 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Gordon Richmond <richmond@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Ping Gary Tayman
Message-ID: <ekr962pmogdraeah5obv1hhbppjf8gesn8@4ax.com>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:26:22 GMT

This query just showed up on alt.autos.studebaker:

"I'm looking for a fader potentiometer for a late '50s Studebaker
Delco radio. One of the ones where the knob and the pot are in one
piece and has the three pins that slide into the front of the radio."

I'm fairly certain this would be a Delco proprietary part. I directed this post to Gary
because I'm pretty sure he has seen these, but if anyone else on the group has one or
knows a source, please don't hesitate to respond.

Gordon Richmond


Article: 334229 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: 1920s French Superhet - Radio LL Super Baby
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:56:25 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e42spp$cak$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1268tosc5q82adb@corp.supernews.com>

In <1268tosc5q82adb@corp.supernews.com> - exray - <exray@coqui.net> writes:

>http://www.sparkbench.com/ll/ll.html

   Cool little set, Bill.  Nice writeup and really good photos, too.

   I suppose all of Mister L's sets used that swirled aluminum front
panel?  I'm thinking of the one Scott Harvey recently found that
sported the same feature.

   If you'd ever need to replace this, look for linoleum.  I'm not
so sure the exact pattern is made, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I worked in a facility that had laminate consoles that had the
look of aluminum where someone played with a surface grinder.
It was pretty realistic.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 334230 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Unobtainium!
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 06:02:06 +0900
Message-ID: <e42t25$942$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <e3veki$5di$1@news2.kornet.net> <ZdydnRH9MJf7HPnZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com>


"Marty Friedman" <radiomf@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:ZdydnRH9MJf7HPnZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>A useable PP tranny and grid cap clip are headed for Peter in Kutztown. 2 
>out of 3 ain't bad.
> Marty F

Thanks Marty. :) A great crew we have here. Someday I'll have some 
unobtainium that someone else here can use.




Article: 334231 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Freebie Friday
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 06:04:11 +0900
Message-ID: <e42t62$94a$1@news2.kornet.net>

First two that e-mail me get a package with 5 good #44 lamps, postpaid. 




Article: 334232 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Next:
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 06:28:41 +0900
Message-ID: <e42uk0$9h9$1@news2.kornet.net>

Who's still doing dial covers? I have a simple request for something 
similar.  I need a new lens for the S meter on my SX-25. It's a simple round 
plastic lens (I'm not really concerned with whether the zero set is there or 
not), measurement to follow.

Whoever can make this e-mail me with payment information.

TIA

:)




Article: 334233 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Uncle Pete" <radioconnectionNO@SPAMcox.net>
References: <pP08g.9268$Nk3.7802@tornado.socal.rr.com> <ifb162hatg7b13594t3jo3rkoces80obr0@4ax.com> <Lq28g.3500$0d3.1332@trnddc08> <1147208650.912346.259150@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147209253.066117.130690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147215180.876022.95970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <o5926295mdvp06v2rgfbvnulldekpofd7d@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
Message-ID: <Ky79g.59568$IZ2.40043@dukeread07>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:58:54 -0400


"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message 
news:o5926295mdvp06v2rgfbvnulldekpofd7d@4ax.com...

>
> You seem quite adept at throwing insults, but not so good at
> introspection.  I've been treated as a pariah simply for outing a
> known fraudster and con artist, and everything I predicted about that
> goon proved true.  For my trouble, I get insults and derisions.
>
> That doesn't speak well for those participating in here, either.

You are your own worst enemy. You made your point, and then continued on 
into an endless obsession instead of quitting while you were ahead. Instead, 
you lost whatever credibility you had in the process, and ended up being a 
worse pariah than TippyFourDoor. And then you have the balls to cry foul?

Pete 




Article: 334234 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Next:
References: <e42uk0$9h9$1@news2.kornet.net>
Message-ID: <_389g.2158$uM4.586@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:34:34 GMT

The shop next to me does vacuum forming of plastic.
This means I'll be able to handle dial covers. Square,
round, elliptical whatever shape is necessary based on
the pattern used. Some trial and error will be needed
to develop the initial patterns.

Jeff

Brenda Ann wrote:
> Who's still doing dial covers? I have a simple request for something 
> similar.  I need a new lens for the S meter on my SX-25. It's a simple round 
> plastic lens (I'm not really concerned with whether the zero set is there or 
> not), measurement to follow.
> 
> Whoever can make this e-mail me with payment information.
> 
> TIA
> 
> :)
> 
> 

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 334235 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4465189d$0$31653$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
References: <k2n762tlgooicjuik52rp3q8skaevhesqb@4ax.com> <2313-4463E152-296@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> <0I09g.18010$kW2.217429@wagner.videotron.net> <4464ad09$0$31637$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <wf39g.18031$kW2.228309@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: 12 May 2006 23:22:05 GMT

Syl <personne@perdu.com> wrote:
>> I am mostly lurking, but would try my best to contribute if I have
>> anything useful to say. I do respond once in a while, but most of my
>> knowledge is on European stuff and non-antique electronics. I still think
>> the best tactic is to post useful answers, stories, experiences, hints
>> etc. So that the crap is outnumbered, this should be easy to do with less
>> than a handfull (I know of about four people that fall into this category
>> beyond reasonable doubt, apologies if I forgot to count someone in) of
>> people posting about less usefull nonsense or personal vendettas.
> If you wanted this to happen, you should have "protected" the right
> contributor(s) at the right time.
> I only surf this ng from time to time and rarely contribute even if I
> received emails telling me the little I contribute is useful to some.
> The noise figure has only been going up and _regulars_ just can't
> hold their fingers when trolls show up. THAT is what contributes
> somewhat to the demise of this newsgroup.
> _You_ may count 4 people who can post useful information, but a group should
> not rely on only 4 people. I actually know way more than 4 people who
> could contribute some very good info but don't bother with this ng.
> So I phone or email whenever I need information or a contact for a project.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I have counted 4 people who are potential 
disturbing factors (either because of personal vendetta's, because of 
trolling or because they post things that at times may or may not make any 
sense but are mostly semi-off-topic or clueless).

I have counted lots of people, including you, who say usefull things. I 
don't know how I should 'protect' regular contributors other than trying 
to ask useful questions whenever one come up, sharing knowledge that I may 
have and staying out of discussions about trolls or disturbing factors as 
much as possible.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 334236 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <L7udnUphgfh1jPjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>
Subject: Re: 1941 tube auto radio with shortwave
Message-ID: <nu99g.270$RY2.43@trnddc02>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:10:59 GMT

I never knew Chevrolet offered such a radio, but I know Buick made one for 
1942.

As I understand it, shortwave radios in cars were frowned on during the war, 
and if I'm not mistaken the dealers removed any such radios in cars brought 
in for service, and replaced with standard AM counterparts.

I've got no authority on this, only heresay from others, so if anyone can 
provide some insight, I'm open to hear it.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> wrote in message 
news:L7udnUphgfh1jPjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
> The following email came from a visitor to my website. I have never heard 
> of a US auto radio with shortwave, and thought it might be of interest to 
> any car radio fans in this group.
>
> I guess the glory days of shortwave are past, but I have often thought it 
> would be fun to have a shortwave radio in the car (no matter how useless).
>
> Phil Nelson
> Phil's Old Radios
> http://antiqueradio.org/index.html
>
> -------------
> I own a beautifully restored 1941 Chevrolet Cabriolet with the original 
> Delco 5 band, 9 tube radio. It is one fabulous set, with lovely tone, and 
> all the bands to play with. It was a Chevrolet dealer installed accessory 
> that came with its special antenna, and a capacitor kit that was installed 
> at the generator, the voltage regulator and somewhere else, under the 
> dash.
>
> I have heard from several sources that these radios often were removed 
> from the cars during WWII, because owners were concerned about their 
> ability to recieve foreign reception and were uncomfortable with other 
> people knowing that they could listen to foreign reception.
>
> I remember people having them in their '41 Chevs, and these folks were 
> very proud of this top of the line radio. It had "Electric Tuning" which 
> was done by solenoids, whenever you pushed the button. Mine works 
> perfectly and is a handsome, prestige accessory in the car. It surprises 
> me, how many folks recognize this radio.
> -------------
>
> 




Article: 334237 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44652C65.ADA7FA7A@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
References: <1147480090.222846.96640@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:46:30 GMT



pgonshor@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Is there any chemical, or chemicals, that revitalize rubber rollers
> such as those used in phono's from the 50's?  I know there are a bunch
> of products out there, but $10 for two ounces of stuff is a bit much
> unless it is the only way to get it.  Thanks for any help.  Regards,
> Dave


<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/browse_frm/thread/8b51dcf5be1b7f51/abeb73c687789677?lnk=st&q=Rubber+revitalizer&rnum=2#abeb73c687789677>

<http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=Rubber+revitalizer&start=0&scoring=d&>


-- 
HELP! My sig file has escaped! ;-)


Article: 334238 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44652F7B.C53EBBCC@netrax.net>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:59:39 -0400
From: Richard Gleitz <rgleitz@netrax.net>
Subject: Re: LED replacements for #44 and #47
References: <1147404005.992272.174080@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

I just bought a pair of these LEDs from Newark for my Zenith 6S229. I am
really disappointed in the results. As another post here mentioned they
are way too "cool white" looking. They just don't look right in a 1930s
radio. 

AuroraOldRadios wrote:
> 
> I was perusing the latest Newarkinone catalogue tonight when I noticed
> LED replacement lamps for #44 and #47 amongst others. White light
> versions are $7.91 each. A little pricey considering the regular lamps
> are about .50 each. I wonder how one of these would hold up in an AA5?
> These draw 20 ma compared to 150 ma for a 47. I know a lot of the old
> hifi stuff could use these, maybe reduce the drain on the transformer a
> little.


Article: 334239 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: LED replacements for #44 and #47
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:01:30 -0600
Message-ID: <4525-44652FEA-9@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1147476803.674159.133920@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

I have salvaged a few white led`s out of brand new damaged products such
as those solar yard lights . I tried one in a dial and it didnt throw
enough light all around to come close to an old style bulb . I tried
reflectors behind it and still not good . If i pointed it behind the
dial to see how it looked the light was all wierd dull white looking .
They need to come up with a glass dome that somehow reflects better or
something .       



Article: 334240 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:29:52 -0600
Message-ID: <4523-44653690-148@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1147451457.164072.239480@d71g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>

you (or I) shouldn't have to go to another group. the forum should be an
option, but not a thing i am forced into.

Eddie who is forcing you ?  All i was saying is this store does not have
what you are looking for today so try another . 

I have been on the net for 10 years and probably this group for at least
9 ? I have see guys step up and plea for a peacefull place here in every
conceivable form of terms you can ever come up with and still emotions
get carried away . Its the nature of un-moderated people .    



Article: 334241 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:51:14 -0700
Message-ID: <lrea62pg7jd9g77smukontbm39poj3jcpo@4ax.com>
References: <pP08g.9268$Nk3.7802@tornado.socal.rr.com> <ifb162hatg7b13594t3jo3rkoces80obr0@4ax.com> <Lq28g.3500$0d3.1332@trnddc08> <1147208650.912346.259150@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147209253.066117.130690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147215180.876022.95970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <o5926295mdvp06v2rgfbvnulldekpofd7d@4ax.com> <Ky79g.59568$IZ2.40043@dukeread07>

On Fri, 12 May 2006 17:58:54 -0400, "Uncle Pete"
<radioconnectionNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote:


>You are your own worst enemy. You made your point, and then continued on 
>into an endless obsession instead of quitting while you were ahead. Instead, 
>you lost whatever credibility you had in the process, and ended up being a 
>worse pariah than TippyFourDoor. And then you have the balls to cry foul?
>
>Pete  <snip>

Hey, Pete....go fuck yourself.


Article: 334242 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "JOHN D" <jawnd393one@yahoo.com>
References: <1147480090.222846.96640@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
Message-ID: <LJb9g.1054$Nw6.937@trnddc03>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 02:43:55 GMT


<pgonshor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1147480090.222846.96640@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Is there any chemical, or chemicals, that revitalize rubber rollers
> such as those used in phono's from the 50's?  I know there are a bunch
> of products out there, but $10 for two ounces of stuff is a bit much
> unless it is the only way to get it.  Thanks for any help.  Regards,
> Dave
>
http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=20%2D1890
http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts&product%5Fid=20%2D230




Article: 334243 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Darned Audiophools!
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:47:16 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e43ks4$dcj$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1147391807.978463.196020@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <VOQ8g.12896$TT.9535@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   <RhR8g.9492$kW2.113693@wagner.videotron.net>   <1147400072.259590.204560@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <1147401177.690914.49920@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1147464518.798910.227650@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1147479688.327959.211200@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4uqdncV5SK5E1vjZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com>

In <4uqdncV5SK5E1vjZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com> "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net> writes:

>... unless they are damaged, speakers don't produce distortion ...

   .... what???????????

   Of course they do.  Nothing's perfect.  From what I remember -- you
might be able to correct me here -- the best measurement techinque was
to use something akin to laser interferometry.  You bounce a laser off
the speaker to order to get an instanteous measurement of its position.

   Some modern speakers can come astonishingly close to putting the
surface of the transducer exactly where it needs to be an any given
time, but at some point something's going to flex just a little bit
the wrong way, or encounter a resonance that can't be completely tuned
out or compensated for.

   I don't think it's surprising that the weakest part of the chain
are the electromechanical transducers.  You're transducing from one
domain to the other, and that's difficult to do.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc.
------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 334244 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: 1941 tube auto radio with shortwave
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:50:25 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e43l21$dcj$2@reader1.panix.com>
References: <L7udnUphgfh1jPjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>    <nu99g.270$RY2.43@trnddc02>    <hOudnVuqkYRN1PjZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1147490577.139975.161340@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

In <1147490577.139975.161340@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> writes:

>It's a well-documented fact that aliens from Axis countries were
>required to have their shortwave bands disabled.

   Didja see that episode of the latest Star Trek (whatever it was
called) where some time-travelling aliens were helping out the
Nazis?  The Nazi/Alien lab looked too modern, I thought (I mean
the Earthling-supplied equipment).  But hey, ya take what ya can
get on tee-vee.

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc.
------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 -------


Article: 334245 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4465570E.7C194FA0@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
References: <1147480090.222846.96640@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <9PGdnWPyNJpR1fjZRVn-qg@comcast.com>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:49:58 GMT

Mark Oppat wrote:
> 
> none of the chemicals work if the surface is already hardened.  If it
> 'cracks' when you flex it, you gotta take off the bad surface, and the only
> way to do that is with precision equipment, as the idler wheels have to be
> dead perfect or you will hear the flutter.
> 
> I have two treatments, I forget the first one but the second is an OLD can
> of SEARS "Rubber Lubricant" in what looks like a large 3 in 1 oil can.  I
> dont know where I got it but it sure perks up old rubber for better
> traction.


   What does it smell like? Oil of Wintergreen is one old treatment, but
it has a VERY strong odor.  I tried to get some through a pharmacy and
ended up with a bottle of synthetic, instead of what I wanted.  It is
used as an external pain reliever when diluted with rubbing alcohol.




-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334246 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44655860.7A109531@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 1941 tube auto radio with shortwave
References: <L7udnUphgfh1jPjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>    <nu99g.270$RY2.43@trnddc02>    <hOudnVuqkYRN1PjZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1147490577.139975.161340@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <e43l21$dcj$2@reader1.panix.com>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:55:36 GMT

Tim Mullen wrote:
> 
> In <1147490577.139975.161340@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> writes:
> 
> >It's a well-documented fact that aliens from Axis countries were
> >required to have their shortwave bands disabled.
> 
>    Didja see that episode of the latest Star Trek (whatever it was
> called) where some time-travelling aliens were helping out the
> Nazis?  The Nazi/Alien lab looked too modern, I thought (I mean
> the Earthling-supplied equipment).  But hey, ya take what ya can
> get on tee-vee.


  Well, golly gee, Tim.  if they are time travelers from the future, all
they had to do was make a stop on their way back in time to pick up a
shipload of surplus electronics. ;-)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 334247 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1147391807.978463.196020@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <VOQ8g.12896$TT.9535@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   <RhR8g.9492$kW2.113693@wagner.videotron.net>   <1147400072.259590.204560@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <1147401177.690914.49920@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1147464518.798910.227650@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1147479688.327959.211200@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4uqdncV5SK5E1vjZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Darned Audiophools!
Message-ID: <Fud9g.24624$kW2.355860@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:44:30 -0400

"graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:4uqdncV5SK5E1vjZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> ... unless they are damaged, speakers don't produce distortion ...

Beg your pardon ?

Woofers produce well over 2 -5 % distortion in the bass region.
The best woofers available are in the 1% region.

The best speakers out there can hardly go below the 0.1% distortion without
becoming extemely expensive. This data is rarely found in the specs BTW.

May I suggest you do some reading on the matter ?

Syl 




Article: 334248 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1147480090.222846.96640@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
Message-ID: <xxd9g.24625$kW2.355997@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:47:34 -0400


<pgonshor@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1147480090.222846.96640@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Is there any chemical, or chemicals, that revitalize rubber rollers
> such as those used in phono's from the 50's?  I know there are a bunch
> of products out there, but $10 for two ounces of stuff is a bit much
> unless it is the only way to get it.  Thanks for any help.  Regards,
> Dave

The best product available (well, maybe not in the US) is Fedron.
Ask your local photocopier repair shop, they may accept to sell
you a few ounces for a few dollars.

MEK (Methyl-Ethyl-Ketone, I hope I get this right) is also pretty good, 
having seen the results.

Syl 




Article: 334249 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <Lu39g.180$RY2.102@trnddc02> <LbidnVmcWomp1_jZRVn-gQ@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: WTB - Riders Vol. 23 
Message-ID: <EId9g.17424$EC.6977@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 04:59:16 GMT


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:LbidnVmcWomp1_jZRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
>
> Those sell for fairly high dollar,  usually over $80.  I see no need for
> them, they cover 1952-3 or so, and Sams was doing it much better...
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>

I got $125 each for the last 2 copies I sold.

Pretty crazy considering they are both on the CDs and DVDs available for around $25.

I also sold a Rider's PA (Public Address) Volume 1 for $400.  I had no idea what it 
was worth, I'd never seen one sold before.  I had it on my table at Bolingbrook last 
year without a price on it.  Someone asked what I wanted for it, I said I was looking 
for offers on it.  His first offer was $400, and I took it right away.  I still don't 
know if it was a good deal or not, but the buyer was very happy, stating he'd been 
looking for that one for years.  I've still got one more of those here, maybe I 
should test it on eBay.  I've never seen a Rider's PA Volume 2.

Which brings up another question:  Are there any more Rider's Perpetual series beyond 
the Radio (1-23), Television (1-27), and PA (1-?) series?

jim menning





Article: 334250 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: 1941 tube auto radio with shortwave
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:14:46 +0900
Message-ID: <e43pts$601$1@news2.kornet.net>
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"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1147495039.745254.168860@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Tim Mullen wrote:
>> In <1147490577.139975.161340@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> 
>> "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> writes:
>>
>> >It's a well-documented fact that aliens from Axis countries were
>> >required to have their shortwave bands disabled.
>>
>>    Didja see that episode of the latest Star Trek (whatever it was
>> called) where some time-travelling aliens were helping out the
>> Nazis?  The Nazi/Alien lab looked too modern, I thought (I mean
>> the Earthling-supplied equipment).  But hey, ya take what ya can
>> get on tee-vee.
>
> Sounds like A Piece of the Action, which starred Vic Tayback about ten
> years before playing Mel on ALICE. Also the edisode about Gary-7, an
> operative sent from ??? to sabotage the early space program. The
> secretary, Roberta Lincoln(?) was played by a very young Teri Garr IIRC.
>

It wouldn't have been "A Piece of the Action", even if it were a TOS 
episode.  Sounds more like one from the third season of Enterprise to me. I 
can't remember the TOS episode title that involved a group from a world that 
had picked up Nazism from an errant Star Fleet captain or some such.





Article: 334251 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
References: <pP08g.9268$Nk3.7802@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <ifb162hatg7b13594t3jo3rkoces80obr0@4ax.com>   <Lq28g.3500$0d3.1332@trnddc08>   <1147208650.912346.259150@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1147209253.066117.130690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <1147215180.876022.95970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <o5926295mdvp06v2rgfbvnulldekpofd7d@4ax.com>   <Ky79g.59568$IZ2.40043@dukeread07>   <lrea62pg7jd9g77smukontbm39poj3jcpo@4ax.com> <1147485502.173691.176740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <n%e9g.1841$G95.542@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 06:27:31 GMT

Steven wrote:
> Godless spawn.

Glad to see you've finally started signing your postings.

Jeff

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 334252 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
References: <pP08g.9268$Nk3.7802@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <ifb162hatg7b13594t3jo3rkoces80obr0@4ax.com>   <Lq28g.3500$0d3.1332@trnddc08>   <1147208650.912346.259150@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1147209253.066117.130690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <1147215180.876022.95970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <o5926295mdvp06v2rgfbvnulldekpofd7d@4ax.com>   <Ky79g.59568$IZ2.40043@dukeread07>   <lrea62pg7jd9g77smukontbm39poj3jcpo@4ax.com>   <1147485502.173691.176740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <n%e9g.1841$G95.542@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147503654.030635.276010@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <iQf9g.1844$G95.1773@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:23:58 GMT

Steven wrote:
> Shut the fuck up

Spoken like the truly literate gentleman you are...

What's the matter monkeyboy, did I hit a nerve?

I hope you lay awake all night trying to figure out just how to
accomplish your goal. 'Cause it just ain't gonna happen. You're
a cancerous boil in our newsgroup, and I'm going to just keep
jabbing at it until you burst.

Jeff



-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 334253 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "John Powers" <johnpowers6@earthlink.net>
References: <1147354154.095166.313110@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <10972-446399C7-185@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net>   <WjV8g.1574$Jf.407@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1147434811.319018.145470@d71g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: R.I.P. R.A.R.+P.
Message-ID: <0Tf9g.26$921.18@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:26:52 GMT

AES seems to be the best place to buy twist-lock and other multi-section 
caps, and I can place an order on their website and pick it up the next day 
on my way home from work, so it works out nice for me. The folks who work 
there are very nice too.

JP


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1147434811.319018.145470@d71g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Try Mouser for all electronic parts but tubes, and any of several other
> sources for tubes than AES. There is also DigiKey, Fair Radio and
> Newark.
>
> AES is definitely the high-priced spread in this hobby. Their major
> virtue is that they have most things needed and do stand behind their
> goods. Shipping charges notwithstanding.
>
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 




Article: 334254 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
References: <pP08g.9268$Nk3.7802@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <ifb162hatg7b13594t3jo3rkoces80obr0@4ax.com>   <Lq28g.3500$0d3.1332@trnddc08>   <1147208650.912346.259150@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1147209253.066117.130690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <1147215180.876022.95970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <o5926295mdvp06v2rgfbvnulldekpofd7d@4ax.com>   <Ky79g.59568$IZ2.40043@dukeread07>   <lrea62pg7jd9g77smukontbm39poj3jcpo@4ax.com>   <1147485502.173691.176740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <n%e9g.1841$G95.542@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <1147503654.030635.276010@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   <iQf9g.1844$G95.1773@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147507824.169936.44100@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <4Yg9g.2427$uM4.430@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 08:40:32 GMT



Steven wrote:
[ Long rambling drivel deleted. }]

Getting pretty defensive there kid. That's good, that means
deep down inside you know you're wrong.

Jeff

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 334255 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
Subject: Car radios update
Message-ID: <ZLh9g.284$Go6.8@trnddc04>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:35:53 GMT

A while ago I had a couple of weird problems related to car radios, and I 
thought I'd provide some updates.  First of all, thank you very much for 
your ideas on both of these.

First, remember the 59 Thunderbird with the antenna trimmer problem? 
Everything was fine across the entire dial, until you reach about 1500 and 
reception dies.  I can adjust the trimmer to increase capacitance, and the 
above-1500-space comes alive.  There was a 22pf, 10%, N150 cap that was out 
of spec, and I had fun finding another -- I finally used an NPO, figuring 
it's an AM radio and the slight difference in temperature coefficient can't 
be all that noticeable.  Anyway it improved it, but it was still off -- the 
trimmer required about a quarter turn to tweak up things above 1500.

I didn't want to mess with the tuning slug.  I measured it, and it seemed to 
move those microhenry's rather steadily across the entire dial, so it's not 
as though it stopped at 1500.  Also, the slugs in these radios are nigh to 
impossible to reach unless you remove the tuner, which is a bugger.  Still I 
had to do something.  I made up a special tool, and it worked -- I was able 
to reach in and turn the slug.  Turning it inward made it worse -- that 
quarter turn became more like a half turn.  So I turned it the other way, 
and it didn't take more than a few turns to get everything to line up. 
Messing with tuning slugs are generally a last resort, but in this case it 
was required -- and fixed the problem.  It is on its way back to the 
customer.

Now for the other one -- the 37 Pontiac.  I managed to locate a 6A8G, and a 
6V7G.  The 6X5G is still elusive, but I've got a GT in there temporarily. 
It has to be a G, as the shield is fit to the shape of the tube, and I 
suppose in 1937 they still hadn't discovered the concept of partitioning off 
the vibrator power supply -- I do get some static in the tuning from it.

Anyway, the original 6A8 tested a little weak, and every other component in 
the LO circuit seemed fine.  Sure enough, a replacement 6A8 got things 
humming.  It's still not done; reception is very weak, and I can put my 
finger near or on the 6A8 grid cap and pull in stations like crazy, so I 
suppose there's still some RF tinkering to go.  However for the time being 
this is going back on the shelf while I get to some others.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 334256 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Skippy spotted in Santa Cruz
Message-ID: <j6hb62ps19btuak542p1f8m2pevmcomel0@4ax.com>
References: <Lq28g.3500$0d3.1332@trnddc08> <1147208650.912346.259150@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147209253.066117.130690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1147215180.876022.95970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <o5926295mdvp06v2rgfbvnulldekpofd7d@4ax.com> <Ky79g.59568$IZ2.40043@dukeread07> <lrea62pg7jd9g77smukontbm39poj3jcpo@4ax.com> <1147485502.173691.176740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <n%e9g.1841$G95.542@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1147503654.030635.276010@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:37:10 -0400

On 13 May 2006 00:00:54 -0700, "Steven"
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Jeffrey D Angus wrote:
>> Steven wrote:
>> > Godless spawn.
>>
>> Glad to see you've finally started signing your postings.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> --
>> RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
>> the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
>> force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
>> under the Internal Security Act of 1950.
>
>Shut the fuck up



Ahhh...the real Steven emerges!
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

It’s Christianity vs. Islam. Let’s get this party started!


Article: 334257 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1147480090.222846.96640@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <xxd9g.24625$kW2.355997@wagner.videotron.net> <7vh9g.201$mU6.45@trnddc07>
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
Message-ID: <%Qj9g.44520$kW2.366162@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:57:56 -0400

"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:7vh9g.201$mU6.45@trnddc07...
> I'll second the vote on Fedron; that's exactly what I use.  Many, many 
> years ago when I worked for Xerox in DC, they came out with a cleaning kit 
> for typewriter platens.  It was basically a pad with Fedron in it. 
> Squeeze the back of the pad, and it would break a tiny reservoir inside, 
> soaking the pad with Fedron.  Then wipe the platen clean.  It worked 
> extremely well, but had one side effect -- it has a sweet smell.  I 
> personally like it, but every time I used it the entire office would get 
> mad over the "horrible smell."
>
> I'm set.  Somewhere along the line I managed to pick up a gallon can of 
> Fedron.  For me, that's a lifetime supply.  It is (was) used by print 
> shops for cleaning metal and rubber parts.  Who knows if the government 
> has jumped in and banned it because it works -- but who cares, I've got 
> mine.

It IS banned from the US. I doubt you can still get any legally off the 
counter.

In Canada, when the stuff is bought, the buyer must sign a form stating he 
will
NOT export the product for _any_ reason and the product is tracked (from
the original container, you can of course relabel it..) Fine is extremely 
"expensive".
It is on the same ban list as Freon. _Maybe_ some states still allow it but 
I doubt it.

Syl