Article: 334841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: THE HIGH COST OF SHIPPING.
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:07:07 -0700
Message-ID: <ohsb72lors76v48475jda1to8sib1ueghj@4ax.com>
References: <18948-44747902-44@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <1148578161.699326.194080@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 25 May 2006 10:29:21 -0700, "Stephanie Weil"
<stephanienyc@gmail.com> wrote:

>Bill. Maybe it's time to raise prices? :(
>
>I hate to say it...but the cost of everything has gone up a lot lately. <snip>

True, but the Bushies say, "Inflation?  WHAT inflation?"


Article: 334842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02> <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02> <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Message-ID: <POmdg.7158$GM.945@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:36:31 GMT


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>
> I still dont understand why everyone insists on the long lead caps.   I
> think its because they only know to install the cap to the same points,  and
> that is often a messy job.  Mine are MUCH neater, usually.
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>

20 years from now when someone is recapping a radio you previously worked on, they 
will be scratching their head trying to figure out WTF you did to it.  Putting the 
leads back to where they match the service literature makes more sense than trying to 
make the radio appear "neater".

jim menning 




Article: 334843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Larry Fowkes" <oldradio@gmail.com>
References: <ZMKdnWkTg-p5bejZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: OK get this...
Message-ID: <Shndg.17245$fb2.1231@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:09:38 GMT

Odds are that this guy is going to elecrocute himself before he gets the new 
control installed. Since the taper is missing I hope all the ohms didn't 
fall out, maybe you should tell him to check in the box. LOL

Larry


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:ZMKdnWkTg-p5bejZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...
>I sold a volume control to a customer, mail order.  Its a special control,
> spec'd by IRC in their 1940 catalog as a replacement for the rare original
> dual pot in the Philco 70, 90, and a few other sets.
>
> I said the control I was sending was the correct value and had the right
> taper for this application.  I was also sending the 2 additional resistors
> needed and a copy of the IRC page showing the modified schematic.
>
> I got a email a few days later.  They got the control but couldnt find the
> "taper"!
>
> AARRRGGGHHH!!!!  remind me why I do this....
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>
> 




Article: 334844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OK get this...
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:54:28 -0700
Message-ID: <g8vb72t3i0f3ckhhi0vlc5q12eh2bce6oe@4ax.com>
References: <ZMKdnWkTg-p5bejZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Thu, 25 May 2006 14:36:37 -0400, "Mark Oppat"
<moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote:

>I sold a volume control to a customer, mail order.  Its a special control,
>spec'd by IRC in their 1940 catalog as a replacement for the rare original
>dual pot in the Philco 70, 90, and a few other sets.
>
>I said the control I was sending was the correct value and had the right
>taper for this application.  I was also sending the 2 additional resistors
>needed and a copy of the IRC page showing the modified schematic.
>
>I got a email a few days later.  They got the control but couldnt find the
>"taper"!
>
>AARRRGGGHHH!!!!  remind me why I do this.... <snip>

It's just a reminder that stupid people are everywhere, and seeing
that there's no practical way to avoid them, you might as well use
them as chew toys along your way.  Maybe you could've send him a
picture of a "tapir" as a follow-up, along with a hated competitor's
business card.


Article: 334845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:15:25 -0500
Message-ID: <15322-4476024D-172@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4475D385.1900BF0E@earthlink.net>

I WONDER HOW THE "THREE YEAR BROADCAST COURSE" CAME ABOUT.  IN 1953 IT
WAS ABOUT 8 MONTHS AND I MEET MANY WHO WENT THROUGH THAT FORT MONMOUTH
COURSE.  THEY WERE SHIPPED TO THE SITES WITH THE TROOPS TO RUN BC-610'S
( ON THE BC BAND) ON A ONE SHIFT A DAY SCHEDULE.  THERE WERE THREE MOS'S
IN THE CLASS.  DEPENDING ON YOUR GRADE YOU WE GROUPED WITH THE
TRANSMITTER, RECEIVER, OR TERMINAL EQUIPMENT.  I WONDER HOW THEY GOT
THEIR MONEYS WORTH OUT OF SOMEONE WHO WAS ONLY IN FOR A THREE YEAR
HITCH.


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 334846 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Variac Question
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:40:41 -0700
Message-ID: <ju1c72ps7anbrccpac9k8bvum06li1cu66@4ax.com>
References: <92Ocg.57112$Qq.51561@tornado.texas.rr.com> <aqi77296t2giu5bijkn21j1uustd5oe3t3@4ax.com> <1148484774.574849.235660@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <RBidg.1748$ho5.142013@news20.bellglobal.com> <nqhb72lgk0l1tcp99iemldjvf3otvmmfue@4ax.com> <1148584696.393855.59210@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 25 May 2006 12:18:16 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>Perhaps you are killfiled?
>
>I refuse to pay for a newsreader... that cost (even at $5/month) <snip>

Idiot...if you weren't blowing all your coin on AOHell, you could get
a better ISP AND NNTP access and buy an extra radio every few
months...but NO!  Still on AOHell...the Internet compliment to "goo
goo groopz."

You DO have a lot in common with Noodles, don't you?  Also,
unfortunately for you, you can't killfilter at all.


Article: 334847 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Variac Question
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:26:38 -0700
Message-ID: <b78c72pvdrgs4u6g4lghiqhk3p83u7ebrj@4ax.com>
References: <92Ocg.57112$Qq.51561@tornado.texas.rr.com> <aqi77296t2giu5bijkn21j1uustd5oe3t3@4ax.com> <1148484774.574849.235660@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <RBidg.1748$ho5.142013@news20.bellglobal.com> <nqhb72lgk0l1tcp99iemldjvf3otvmmfue@4ax.com> <1148584696.393855.59210@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <ju1c72ps7anbrccpac9k8bvum06li1cu66@4ax.com> <1148588749.476500.59700@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 25 May 2006 13:25:49 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>I would respectfully submit that our total access for AOL, internet,
>DSL, local, long-distance, two land-lines and three wireless lines is
>less than yours, being packaged at a flat-rate of $98/month. <snip>

ROFLMAO!!!  Try HALF that.


Article: 334848 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OK get this...
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:27:25 -0700
Message-ID: <a98c72t7im53lhhar6cn29fvgbcluofp8t@4ax.com>
References: <ZMKdnWkTg-p5bejZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <1148582911.840966.321820@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148586977.985348.195790@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 25 May 2006 12:56:18 -0700, "toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com> wrote:

>Tell them it's tapered to the right so make sure they only turn it with
>their right hand!  And make sure they don't let the smoke out.
>I wonder if you could sell them some replacement vacuum for their
>tubes?  It wears out you know. <snip>

Not only that, but unterminated outputs let electrons run all over the
floor!


Article: 334849 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OK get this...
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:28:58 -0700
Message-ID: <3c8c72l9ni6eh3jfvdq667c3ds3o4lv9ul@4ax.com>
References: <ZMKdnWkTg-p5bejZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <5Lodg.7143$p13.4250@trnddc07>

On Thu, 25 May 2006 20:49:05 GMT, "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
wrote:

>So what color taper did you send him?
>
>Way back, many years ago when Xerox made their 800 ETS typing systems (these 
>were early word processors, using a separate CPU and a Diablo printer) I had 
>a particular service call that I was too busy to take -- so someone else 
>went.  Later I heard about it.  "Just what kind of customers do you have 
>anyway?"  As he was servicing the CPU, the lady came over to the typewriter 
>and pressed the keyboard.  "You did it again!" she exclaimed.  "Every time 
>someone works on this machine, they change the keyboard touch."
>
>So this quick-witted technician asked her to sit down and start typing.  He 
>took a small screwdriver and inserted it into an imaginary hole in the back. 
>As she typed, he kept turning it and asking, "How is it now?"  She said to 
>keep going -- a little more, little more, there, that's it!  What can I say, 
>it got him out of there!
>
>Of course there was another customer who asked how long before a print wheel 
>ran out of letters . . . <snip>

...and people wonder why Korporate Amerika is such a failure....


Article: 334850 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <vbJbg.36281$mh.29156@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1148583368.842258.23140@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <z8qdg.990724$xm3.411652@attbi_s21>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:24:31 GMT

In article <1148583368.842258.23140@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
rally2xs@att.net says...
>
>
>We generally stay at the Holiday Inn at one of the Sidney exits.  $69
>Thursday night (business rates), $59 Friday and Saturday nights. 
>Dave Head
>K8DH
>
15 mpg avg x 80 miles = 5 gallon x 3 = 15 bucks per day added to
room rate for gas... plus whatever you figure your sleep time
lost is worth
John k9uwa



Article: 334851 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1148597836.746474.119980@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Beware:1934 Scott 15 in a Napier cabinet scam auction going on
Message-ID: <vPqdg.7169$GM.4219@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:10:19 GMT


<feldtm@msn.com> wrote in message 
news:1148597836.746474.119980@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I see on ebay that the same E. H. Scott All Wave 15 with the Napier
> cabinet, which was sold about a week ago, is up for auction again but
> this time from a different source. I suspect the account, of which this
> auction is featured on, has been hijacked. The auction says it's from
> Kentucky but there is a posted phone number that points to Malvern, PA.
> The seller urges any potential buyer to call that number for a possible
> early purchase of the radio outside the realms of the current auction.
> Any thoughts from anybody else about this auction?
>
> Michael Feldt
> www.indianaradios.com
>

Michael, why don't you save us all the trouble of having to locate the 2 auctions? 
Give us the links, please.

jim menning 




Article: 334852 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rob Mills" <robmills@cox.net>
Subject: WTB: Battery cover for GE Super II
Message-ID: <6Vqdg.72871$IZ2.14617@dukeread07>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:16:21 -0500

I need a battery cover for a GE 72885a Super II.
The Super 1 and 3 covers do not work.

Rob Mills 




Article: 334853 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1148597836.746474.119980@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <vPqdg.7169$GM.4219@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1148599584.420603.126480@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Beware:1934 Scott 15 in a Napier cabinet scam auction going on
Message-ID: <iardg.7171$GM.932@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:34:38 GMT


<feldtm@msn.com> wrote in message 
news:1148599584.420603.126480@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Ah, good idea. The auction number for the auction in question is
> 6632513446.
> Link:http://cgi.ebay.com/1934-SCOTT-ALLWAVE-XV-15-RADIO_W0QQitemZ6632513446QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Michael Feldt
> www.indianaradios.com
>

Have you called the new seller?  I just did.  ;o)

Maybe we all should.  I used a phone card so he couldn't get any information from the 
number I dialed from.

He claims the previous listing was when his brother tried to sell the radio for him, 
but the buyer backed out.  I told him I was only 30 miles away from Glendale, KY 
where he says the radio is, and I'd like to see it, and if I liked it, I'd bring the 
cash.  He then said that he moved from Kentucky to New York just yesterday, so it 
would be impossible for me to see it.  Then his cell phone started flaking out, and I 
lost him.

Scam, for sure.  I have reported it to eBay, let's hope nobody wires him any cash 
before the auction is taken down.

jim menning





Article: 334854 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02> <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02> <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com> <POmdg.7158$GM.945@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <tuadncrkcY32o-vZRVn-sg@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Message-ID: <eordg.7174$GM.1111@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:49:30 GMT


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:tuadncrkcY32o-vZRVn-sg@comcast.com...
>
> Jim,
>
> oh for chrissakes!  C'mon, you have better sense that that. My installations
> match the schematic exactly!

I never said they wouldn't match the schematics.  Schematic yes, chassis layouts, no.

> Secondly,  nobody is going to EVER recap these sets.  These mylar caps last
> essentially forever... and, AM will be gone in less than 10 years so I doubt
> there will be much demand for any more repairs.  The electrolytics I use
> will likely last 30+ years anyways too.

They may indeed last a long time, but the radio can still fail for plenty of reasons, 
and a serviceman may face frustration trying to figure out your new connection 
points.

>
> There is no views of these sets that show any lead wiring, even the postwar
> sets dont show it.

Huh?  That's funny.  What are all those diagrams in Riders?  What are all the 
pictures in the Sam's Photofacts for?  Why do they show the parts placement *and* the 
terminals they connect to?

> The only service lit that does is the RCA Redbooks
> (mostly the pre 1938 sets) and a few others like Stromberg-Carlson,  because
> they are wired like telephone rack equipment.
>

My Philco literature also has this.  As does the forementioned Riders and Sam's 
series, the most popular servicing literature available to the hobby.

> Jim,  I am wondering about you now.  I thought you were an experienced
> servicer.

Experienced enough to have seen in the past many sets that were wired far differently 
than the way they left the factory.  I wonder how many of them never worked after 
they were previously serviced due to wiring errors by the servicer.  That's why even 
when I relocate filter caps I include a diagram to show the changes made for the 
benefit of the next person to own and/or service the set.

The advantage of you making the set "neater"?  None.  It's obviously only for your 
convenience, if as you say, your radios will never need repairs in the future.

Realistically yours,

jim menning


>
> Mark Oppat
>
>
> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:POmdg.7158$GM.945@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message
>> news:xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com...
>> >
>> > I still dont understand why everyone insists on the long lead caps.   I
>> > think its because they only know to install the cap to the same points,
> and
>> > that is often a messy job.  Mine are MUCH neater, usually.
>> >
>> > Mark Oppat
>> >
>> >
>>
>> 20 years from now when someone is recapping a radio you previously worked
> on, they
>> will be scratching their head trying to figure out WTF you did to it.
> Putting the
>> leads back to where they match the service literature makes more sense
> than trying to
>> make the radio appear "neater".
>>
>> jim menning
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 




Article: 334855 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Pete Bertini" <radioconnection@cox.net>
References: <1148594584.308472.100560@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1148596103.479142.319780@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1148598710.326309.264240@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148599716.994073.278800@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: NOS HALLICRAFTERS 1L6 TUBES FOR ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC
Message-ID: <OFrdg.72875$IZ2.52955@dukeread07>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:08:08 -0400


<infonws@adelphia.net> wrote in message 
news:1148599716.994073.278800@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>I usually deal in audio tubes hence the reason for the listing better
> than NOS or spec. Where is the current price of $25-30? Even Radio Daze
> who is the cheapest lists them for $45. Like AES and Radio Daze I will
> guarantee my tubes. This rarely happens on eBay.


Findatube.com has them listed for $29.00 NOS. And, Bob stands behind
his tubes.  Unfortunately, your prices are FAR from being in the hobby 
class.

Pete




Article: 334856 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:33:59 -0500
Message-ID: <44763f91$0$24331$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"Tom Adkins" <newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> They seem like a good idea but I've never had or used one. Does anybody 
> here use one with any regularity? Pros?, Cons?

It's just a different way to troubleshoot. Not something you strictly need 
but if your mind works in the way of searching for troubles starting with 
the front end and going to the audio stages you would appreciate having one. 
I find mine useful because I can keep my eyes on the radio and just listen 
to the signal the set is giving instead of having to look up at a scope 
screen.

Besides, you get a neat little test speaker if you don't have one already, 
probably worthwhile for that reason alone. If you can buy one that fits your 
budget and have the room for it, go for it.

The major trick is that you will need a demodulator probe. Most old shop 
tracers use banana jacks so if you use unshielded banana plug probes you'll 
have to disassemble one to put the resistor (50Kohms) and the diode (1N34 or 
similar) in series with and right at the tip. In a perfect world you might 
convert the tracer to coax and use shielded cable instead but I never 
bothered.

Happy shopping
paul 



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Article: 334857 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <a6Qbg.311$W97.160@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <hgacg.6128$y4.2967@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <a5mdncWDlts13-zZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <Drtcg.6034$8G3.1855@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <Feqdnbmzva5wPe_ZRVn-rA@comcast.com> <ztOcg.1235$W97.1078@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <t2Scg.17244$jb2.1367@newsfe14.phx> <xg7dg.1427$W97.628@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <447514D8.2BD3AC30@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 38-116 output transf? Its the right one!
Message-ID: <vmsdg.73$3B.1@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:55:55 GMT

I know, been too lazy to drag it out of the basement, but soon if I need to!

Keith

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:447514D8.2BD3AC30@earthlink.net...
> Keith Park wrote:
>>
>> Driven by a transformer
>> Yes, the 6L6's test strong and equil, I do have others and will noodle 
>> with
>> that idea too.
>>
>> Keith
>
>
>   A couple minutes with a scope would tell you what you want to know.
>
>
>
> -- 
> My sig file can beat up your sig file! 




Article: 334858 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: NOS HALLICRAFTERS 1L6 TUBES FOR ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC
References: <1148594584.308472.100560@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148596103.479142.319780@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <cpsdg.26587$qd2.4558@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:59:08 -0400

Peter Wieck wrote:
> To quote Anthony McAuliffe:
> 
> Nuts!
> 
> A couple of cautionaries:
> 
> 1. Only (repeat: ONLY) Sylvania made the 1L6 tube. Sylvania branded
> these tubes for many re-sellers and OEMs such as Zenith, Hallicrafters,
> RCA, FADA and doubtless many others.
> 2. Hallicrafters never sold 1L6-based radios to the military. Therefore
> there is no reason why tubes branded in this way would have come from a
> military source (NOTE: The OP does not say that the Halli tubes are
> military-sourced!).
> 3. The only way bulk-pack Halli-branded tubes would be floating around
> is from an original-factory-delivered source. This may be of interest
> in and of itself.
> 4. One wonders at the reason for the 'not-so-good' lettering. If these
> tubes were bulk-packaged for use by Hallicrafters in their factory and
> were handled and/or repacked since, that could explain it in part.
> 5. Even then, the 1L6 was an expensive tube.
> 
> But, these prices are nuts. Just my opinion. Best of luck selling them.
> It would help to state which type of tube tester was being used as they
> will test all over the map on an emissions-type tester, essentially
> such tests are meaningless on those testers. 
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 
Hallicrafters did make several tube portable shortwave radio. The
model S-72, but it used a 1R5 as the converter.  They also made the
model S-93 which is listed in my Communications Receivers book as a
battery/AC/DC set but the tube complement isn't given.  This web site
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/hallicraft_s_93_s93.html shows that it did
use a 1L6.  So we know that Hallicrafters made at least one set using
this tube, so they would have had some branded with their name on it.
Maybe the Government had purchased some of these sets even though they
were not specificly a military radio?  (could have been for use
by MARS or CAP?)

Now as far as price is concerned....
Well this gentleman says he will stand by his tubes and make good on
one found defective.  In most cases on ebay you takes your chances.
I don't know how rare these bottles really are, but I've been hearing
that many of the companies listing them on their web sites for less
don't actually have them in stock.  So this leaves you with
taking chances on NOS in box tubes found on ebay (which may often be
used pulls stuffed into the box that a new tube came in when it was
replaced), or going with one of Bill Turners loktal to mini converters
and a 1LC6 or 1LA6 tube (which isn't a bad idea if it fits).

I'd rather his bottles be tested by a good GM type tube tester since
I don't know how battery tubes die.  (Some tubes DO fade away with
low emission, but others just gradually get gassy and loose transconductance).



Article: 334859 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <WKsdg.748724$084.178691@attbi_s22>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:21:58 GMT

In article <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, 
newton5@remove.comcast.net says...
>
>
>  Recently I've been acquiring test equipment and "stuff" to get back into 
the radio 
>hobby. Over the years I've seen a lot of signal tracers, like the Eico 147 
and others. 
>They seem like a good idea but I've never had or used one. Does anybody here 
use one 
>with any regularity? Pros?, Cons?

Excellent little piece of test equipment. I have two.. an Eico here and
a Heathkit in Florida.. give me one of these and a signal jenny and
a multimeter and there is very little you can't find with that setup.. 

John k9uwa



Article: 334860 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Erich Angell <e.angell@att.net>
Subject: replacement if slugs
Message-ID: <lMsdg.164217$eR6.99536@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:23:29 GMT

I periodicly need replacement tuning slugs for various radio repairs..
Sometimes (in fact often) my poorly stocked scrap pile deos not have the
size I need.

Has anyone found a good source for these? Google seems to not know of any.

As a last resort can anyone outline an emergency rescue procedure that is
foolproof?


Article: 334861 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Best way to clean up Zenith Copper chassis?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:10:48 -0600
Message-ID: <7641-44765598-373@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
References: <h9mb72163hqmunvbdhojhvbs2bjsai2lmf@4ax.com>

Take an ordinary chrome pull up antenna and use one of its links as a
circle cutter to neetly remove the tape from around rivets .
It helps to poke the end of a needle nose pliers into one end of the
antenna link then push & twist it to sharpen the tubing link . 



Article: 334862 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: NOS HALLICRAFTERS 1L6 TUBES FOR ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1148594584.308472.100560@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148599716.994073.278800@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <4Rsdg.748730$084.375682@attbi_s22>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:28:32 GMT

In article <1148599716.994073.278800@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, 
infonws@adelphia.net says...
>
>
>Where is the current price of $25-30? 

http://findatube.com/

Bob Dobush ... lists them at $29 for new and $16 for used tested..
and Bob backs his tubes.. 

John k9uwa



Article: 334863 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
Subject: 38-116  Got it!
Message-ID: <UQsdg.77$3B.60@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:28:20 GMT

Previous recapping attempt got the plate and grid lead switched on one of 
the output tubes, essentially reversing one side of the output transformer. 
THAT would do it wouldnt it!

This set KICKS A$$  Man that thing pumps when you crank it up... and the 
bass switch is working properly now too and YES it does do something.

Now I get to go and have some fun playing with it :-)

Keith





Article: 334864 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:32:19 -0400
Message-ID: <127cml7bullpu59@corp.supernews.com>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02> <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02> <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com> <POmdg.7158$GM.945@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <tuadncrkcY32o-vZRVn-sg@comcast.com>

"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:tuadncrkcY32o-vZRVn-sg@comcast.com... !
> Secondly,  nobody is going to EVER recap these sets.  These mylar caps 
> last
> essentially forever... and, AM will be gone in less than 10 years

God, mark- WHERE do you get your data? Even the folks you MAKE AND SELL the 
digital AM transmitters predict  " at least twenty years of analog 
broadcasting". In fact my money is on the whole thing going the way of AM 
stereo.

John H. 




Article: 334865 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02> <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02> <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com> <POmdg.7158$GM.945@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <tuadncrkcY32o-vZRVn-sg@comcast.com> <eordg.7174$GM.1111@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:33:32 -0500
Message-ID: <44764d86$0$24215$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:eordg.7174$GM.1111@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
> news:tuadncrkcY32o-vZRVn-sg@comcast.com...
>> Secondly,  nobody is going to EVER recap these sets.  These mylar caps 
>> last
>> essentially forever... and, AM will be gone in less than 10 years

I dunno. Never underestimate the power and inertia of a large installed 
base, even in the face of well funded opposition. Digital TV is way further 
along than digital radio and look how long it's taken to get that to go 
anywhere. There are many more radios than TVs in existence.

> They may indeed last a long time, but the radio can still fail for plenty 
> of reasons, and a serviceman may face frustration trying to figure out 
> your new connection points.

If you open a previously working, recently failed unit and find all new caps 
and whatnot I consider it safe to assume you can throw out the original 
chassis layout diagram - assuming there was one in the first place. The 
majority of pre-war sets in Rider's didn't have one.

Which is not to say that finding parts in different places than expected 
doesn't make t-shooting a little more difficult. But it shouldn't be 
impossible. I prefer to assume that anybody who can move parts and still end 
up with a properly working unit has made informed decisions. Maybe I'm just 
an optimist. :-)

paul



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Article: 334866 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Message-ID: <opmc72djn1iqhn7hi7rnsruq4tfkcq0dq1@4ax.com>
References: <1148387094.307140.47350@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-2305061527230001@216-80-74-244.d.enteract.com> <1148469742.590632.88770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <pdq872tro6c6fqfod0ettr21g9q7cspj08@4ax.com> <1148483043.127849.205550@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148486793.194779.47490@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148498168.630583.67000@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-2505061036170001@216-80-74-134.d.enteract.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:39:19 GMT

On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:36:17 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>These SE stereo amplifiers may go for more than the M8 on eBay but some of
>the price difference is made up for by lower shipping costs, the M8 weighs
>nearly a ton.

I think that it weighs more like 52 or 57 lbs.  I used to occasionally
carry one (actually an M6, but they weigh about the same) back and
forth to work when I was in South Africa.  It was only about 5 blocks
but at the end it felt like it did weigh a ton. 


Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 334867 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Shawn K <r-520@REMOVETHISshaw.ca>
Subject: ATTN: RADIORAMBLER -> Re: FREE MONDAY: old test gear, just pay shipping
References: <ufmcg.181313$P01.100180@pd7tw3no> <50eum5$4fogjk@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <yDtdg.190989$WI1.143966@pd7tw2no>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 02:22:22 GMT

Hi, I have been trying to reach you by e-mail (by the reply address on 
the e-mail you sent me), but the message bounces back to me. Anyway, I 
have figured out the shipping charges, it will cost you about $65 US to 
ship both to you ($28 for the signal generator, $37 for the scope). I'll 
send you the packages, then once they arrive, just send me a money order 
for the total.  The price on the stamps will be in CAN funds. Still 
interested? Let me know, there are others interested....


Radio Rambler wrote:
> Shawn K wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi folks, cleaning out my shop, I have some old test gear that I want to
>> get rid of, free for the taking, just pay the shipping costs from
>> Surrey, BC, Canada, V3R 4K8. None of these things have been tested, no
>> manuals.
>>
>> 1) Precision E-200-C signal generator, all knobs present.
>>
>> 2) Canadian signal generator, model SG-1, all knobs present. <----
>>
>> 3) Eico 460 scope, fuse holder on back is broken off, one knob not  <-----
>> original.
>>
>> I am hoping that there are a few people who can make use of these,
>> otherwise they'll be headed for the trash bin.
>>
>> REMOVETHIS from my e-mail address to reply.
>>     
>
>
> i am interested in both 2 & 3
> just let me know what the shipping cost to ship it to 26101
> thanx
>   
-- 

REMOVETHIS from my e-mail to reply...

Shawn K
www.thisoldradio.com


Article: 334868 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Greed, One of the Seven Deadly Sins
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:47:35 -0400
Message-ID: <127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Eveready-Tube-Floor-Model-59-Radio-Record-Play_W0QQitemZ6631060101

As I predicted, this offensively priced radio from a clutching, scraping, 
angry clueless seller continues to stink up the eBay listings, relisted over 
and over and over. They're SO generous they lowered the BuyItNow from a 
grand to a bargain $599- !!! They seem like the type to break it up for 
firewood rather than sell it with no reserve so the market can tell then 
it's worth two hundred, MAX.

John H. 




Article: 334869 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
References: <1148594584.308472.100560@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <YZKdnX0qZ9GN9evZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: NOS HALLICRAFTERS 1L6 TUBES FOR ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:48:52 -0500
Message-ID: <44765f2f$0$24300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:YZKdnX0qZ9GN9evZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com...

snip snippety snip

You know, Graham, you're entitled to your occasionally-valid opinions on the 
parsimony of radio collectors....but there is a difference between being 
cheap and being dumb. Rational consumers generally will not pay $50 for 
something that can be bought for $30 without sacrificing quality.

paul 



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Article: 334870 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: 38-116  Got it!
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:51:31 -0400
Message-ID: <127cr9nvmgcv66@corp.supernews.com>
References: <UQsdg.77$3B.60@twister.nyroc.rr.com>


"Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:UQsdg.77$3B.60@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Previous recapping attempt got the plate and grid lead switched on one of 
> the output tubes

This is why I can't understand Phil Nelson's comment regarding recapping a 
radio without making it work first. Caps end up miswired even if you recap a 
WORKING radio checking along the way it still works, imagine how utterly 
screwed up a non-working one can get by the time it's done being recapped 
blind.

John H. 




Article: 334871 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone in Idaho interested in a lot of Sams Photofacts?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:54:33 -0400
Message-ID: <127crfc8a7b4da8@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1148610448.463262.292330@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

 Only problem is there are almost no old radios in Twin Falls, and they are 
all worth less than fifty dollars anyway.

John H. 




Article: 334872 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:00:52 -0400
Message-ID: <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02> <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02> <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com>


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com...
> Gary and all,
>
> >
> I still dont understand why everyone insists on the long lead caps.   I
> think its because they only know to install the cap to the same points,

Unless it is ABSOLUTELY impossible I would never think of installing a cap 
at a different location. Whether it is electrically equivalent is utterly 
irrelevant. So you're saying you know more about where the caps belong than 
the engineer who designed it? Sometime where the ground goes and the 
dressing of the leads is critical. If the engine of the Corvette you were 
restoring would fit in the trunk more easily, would you put it in there?  Do 
you always assume people who do things differently than you always act out 
of total ignorance?

John H. 




Article: 334873 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Greed, One of the Seven Deadly Sins
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:02:01 -0400
Message-ID: <127crtd2vga2n3e@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com>


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
news:127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com...
>  they lowered the BuyItNow from a grand to a bargain $599- !!!

Sorry, $649-

John H. 




Article: 334874 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OK get this...
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:08:32 -0500
Message-ID: <9581-44767130-311@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <Shndg.17245$fb2.1231@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>

Windshield wiper for a billy goat's a..
cuhulin



Article: 334875 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:03:59 -0500
Message-ID: <9583-4476701F-20@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <WKsdg.748724$084.178691@attbi_s22>

I own a few old signal tracers.One of them is a Heathkit signal
tracer.It is sitting on my dining room table right now.
Dining room tables are for working on old radios,not for eating off of.
cuhulin



Article: 334876 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:17:02 -0400
Message-ID: <127cspi3q6eahc0@corp.supernews.com>

.....just to open the bidding. People like this don't seem to grasp the 
concept of AUCTION. It's an idea that instead of you getting a swelled head 
counting all your unhatched chickens you let other people help advise you on 
how much something is worth-

http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Victrola-Mahogany-Floor-Model-VV-110-10306-1921_W0QQitemZ663244158

In contrast, see how this decent, honest seller (who is clearly NOT a lazy 
chiseling Yuppie who thinks they won the lottery) has this stunning and far 
more interesting phono hanging there (currently) at $55- with NO RESERVE.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tiger-Oak-Victor-Victrola-XIV-78rpm-Record-Phonograph_W0QQitemZ6632334672

I don't know these folks, of course, except by their ads. But there's not 
much more to know.

John H. 




Article: 334877 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
References: <1148594584.308472.100560@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <YZKdnX0qZ9GN9evZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com> <44765f2f$0$24300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>
Subject: Re: NOS HALLICRAFTERS 1L6 TUBES FOR ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:20:52 -0500
Message-ID: <447666b1$0$24252$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote in message 
news:44765f2f$0$24300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>Rational consumers generally will not pay $50 for something that can be 
>bought for $30 without sacrificing quality.

Hmmm. Misplaced modifier. Let's try that again.

Rational consumers generally will not pay $50 for an item when an identical 
item can be bought for $30. 



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Article: 334878 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "clfe" <Nospam@clfurent.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <WKsdg.748724$084.178691@attbi_s22>
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:26:24 -0400
Message-ID: <44767530$0$3679$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net>

"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message 
news:WKsdg.748724$084.178691@attbi_s22...
> In article <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> newton5@remove.comcast.net says...
>>
>>
>>  Recently I've been acquiring test equipment and "stuff" to get back into
> the radio
>>hobby. Over the years I've seen a lot of signal tracers, like the Eico 147
> and others.
>>They seem like a good idea but I've never had or used one. Does anybody 
>>here
> use one
>>with any regularity? Pros?, Cons?
>
> Excellent little piece of test equipment. I have two.. an Eico here and
> a Heathkit in Florida.. give me one of these and a signal jenny and
> a multimeter and there is very little you can't find with that setup..
>
> John k9uwa
>

I've used them. have two smaller units here - sold the 147 I had. They're 
ok, but I can live with or without. I prefer using other methods. I'd say I 
use one "maybe" 10% of the time.

 




Article: 334879 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
Subject: Stark VTVM info
Message-ID: <JFudg.2842$vs5.632@newsfe23.lga>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:34:41 -0500

Anyone have info on calibrating a Stark VMK-3A
VTVM?  I've come in contact with a newbie who
needs some tools.  This one is nice, but I have no
info on several cal. pots on the back, and how to
adjust 'em.  It'll get recapped before he gets it.
Cheers,
Nelson




Article: 334880 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: ATTN: RADIORAMBLER -> Re: FREE MONDAY: old test gear, just pay shipping
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:35:16 -0400
Message-ID: <4dnbbmF1bf5etU1@individual.net>
References: <ufmcg.181313$P01.100180@pd7tw3no> <50eum5$4fogjk@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> <yDtdg.190989$WI1.143966@pd7tw2no>

Shawn K wrote:

> Hi, I have been trying to reach you by e-mail (by the reply address on
> the e-mail you sent me), but the message bounces back to me. Anyway, I
> have figured out the shipping charges, it will cost you about $65 US to
> ship both to you ($28 for the signal generator, $37 for the scope). I'll
> send you the packages, then once they arrive, just send me a money order
> for the total.  The price on the stamps will be in CAN funds. Still
> interested? Let me know, there are others interested....
> 
> 
> Radio Rambler wrote:


Thanx for going through all the trouble of getting the shipping cost. it
appears to be more than i can afford right now. i did not think that
shipping would cost so much.
i am sorry that the email bounced, apparently, cox is listed in one of the
DNSBLs.
go ahead & sell them to the next offer. thanx for answering my enquiry.

-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 334881 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:55:30 -0700
Message-ID: <ksuc72hqkn7csqeo4s4i3547t3ugsf46jq@4ax.com>
References: <jbyrns-2305061527230001@216-80-74-244.d.enteract.com> <1148469742.590632.88770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <pdq872tro6c6fqfod0ettr21g9q7cspj08@4ax.com> <1148483043.127849.205550@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148486793.194779.47490@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148498168.630583.67000@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-2505061036170001@216-80-74-134.d.enteract.com> <52ob725if29v971p7ugj1v3iqom7253a1n@4ax.com> <447635AF.603AF6EA@earthlink.net>

On Thu, 25 May 2006 22:54:50 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>   I still have a spare record amp for a Scully 280. <snip>

Oooh!  What kind of shape?  I think I may have it sold for you, but I
have to check with the client.  Good workhorse, those 280-8s, and
becoming more desireable all the time.


Article: 334882 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:01:40 -0700
Message-ID: <jcvc72hp92g0btgddchn1hg6r5td5g9e3k@4ax.com>
References: <4475D385.1900BF0E@earthlink.net> <TtKdnbnnbvcmp-vZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@giganews.com>

On Thu, 25 May 2006 19:18:19 -0400, "Ken Doyle"
<kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Nice story, but even a purple heart wouldn't give you the right to be a
>prick. <snip>

Looks like Doyle's got that area covered already, anyway.


Article: 334883 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:06:59 -0700
Message-ID: <1kvc72lmbh0pr37o4u1t4jb8if9b37ib3k@4ax.com>
References: <127cspi3q6eahc0@corp.supernews.com>

On Thu, 25 May 2006 23:17:02 -0400, "Hagstar"
<yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote:

>In contrast, see how this decent, honest seller (who is clearly NOT a lazy 
>chiseling Yuppie who thinks they won the lottery) has this stunning and far 
>more interesting phono hanging there (currently) at $55- with NO RESERVE. <snip>

Look for more outrageous auction reserves and eBay scams this summer,
as the real estate bubble deflates.  A lot of people thought
"flipping" was a career move, and now they're sitting on top of
property they can't move.  The money to feed their greed has to come
>from somewhere, so....caveat emptor!


Article: 334884 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: THE HIGH COST OF SHIPPING.
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:23:02 -0500
Message-ID: <17757-447682A6-268@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <equdnaisMYmR4uvZRVn-qg@comcast.com>

That married Irish woman in England asked me if I would snail mail some
Maybelline products to her.She said there are some Maybelline products
available at stores (such as Walgreen's,there are seven Walgreen's
stores in my area,one of them is a mile and a half behind Blueberry
doggys couch) in America that are not available in England.I asked her
what kind of Maybelline products does she want? 

I would be happy to buy them and snail mail them to her.I used to buy
Revlon products and Salem cigarettes at a PX store in Saigon in 1964 for
my Vietnamese girlfriends.So,what's the difference?
cuhulin
  



Article: 334885 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: NOS HALLICRAFTERS 1L6 TUBES FOR ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC
References: <1148594584.308472.100560@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148596103.479142.319780@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <cpsdg.26587$qd2.4558@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <YAvdg.120$eI4.1@bignews2.bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:35:28 -0500

Ken Scharf wrote:
><snip>

>>
> Hallicrafters did make several tube portable shortwave radio. The
> model S-72, but it used a 1R5 as the converter.  They also made the
> model S-93 which is listed in my Communications Receivers book as a
> battery/AC/DC set but the tube complement isn't given.  This web site
> http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/hallicraft_s_93_s93.html shows that it did
> use a 1L6.  So we know that Hallicrafters made at least one set using
> this tube, so they would have had some branded with their name on it.
> Maybe the Government had purchased some of these sets even though they
> were not specificly a military radio?  (could have been for use
> by MARS or CAP?)
> 

Just for general information, the most likely destination for Halli' 
branded 1L6's was probably the TO knockoff TW-1000 and TW-2000...same 
tube lineup as the later 'real' Transoceanics.

Of course, at least Paul D. knows this, as he sold me my TW-1000....

jak



Article: 334886 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: THE HIGH COST OF SHIPPING.
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:31:36 -0500
Message-ID: <17757-447684A8-269@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4475AA92.4727B046@earthlink.net>

Michael A. Terrell,you got that right! And,Service to my County,Yep,me
too.
cuhulin



Article: 334887 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: THE HIGH COST OF SHIPPING.
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:01:06 -0500
Message-ID: <17757-44768B92-272@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4475AC3E.5ECF9C20@earthlink.net>

I own a trailer.It is an old tandem wheel (two wheels on each side) all
steel factory built open trailer.14 feet long (not counting the lenght
of the trailer tongue) by 7 and a half feet wide.I bought it for $350.00
>from Mr.Herbert Brown,he lives down the street from me.He is about 86
years old.He was in the U.S.Army 149th Signal Company in Europe in World
War Two,in Motor Pool.He and his Company were on their way to Bastone
when the Battle of the Bulge was winding up.What's in my old trailer
parked in my driveway? Nothing but some old tree branches I cut down and
an old 12 volt battey and those roof shingles Katrina blew off my roof
last year.I dont live in a trailer and I never have,but even if I
did.that wouldn't make me trailer trash.
www.clarionledger.com/katrinabook
www.seacoastonline.com/2000news/1_12obit.htm
cuhulin



Article: 334888 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Anyone in Idaho interested in a lot of Sams Photofacts?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:02:05 -0600
Message-ID: <4535-44768BCD-479@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net>
References: <CISdnTic060g5uvZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com>

It sounds like the ones i was offered years ago . Is the guys name
Francis or ``Bus``



Article: 334889 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:08:12 -0500
Message-ID: <17757-44768D3C-273@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1kvc72lmbh0pr37o4u1t4jb8if9b37ib3k@4ax.com>

I dont like auctions.I like to buy things at lowwww lowwww
prices.Auctions just dont make any sense to me at all where people are
driving the prices up highhhh highhhh highhhh.
Tain't worth it,MaGee.
cuhulin



Article: 334890 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: NOS HALLICRAFTERS 1L6 TUBES FOR ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC
References: <1148594584.308472.100560@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148596103.479142.319780@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <cpsdg.26587$qd2.4558@bignews6.bellsouth.net> <YAvdg.120$eI4.1@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <44768E32.D436AF34@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Uawdg.265$eI4.142@bignews2.bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:15:54 -0500

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> jakdedert wrote:
>> Ken Scharf wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>> Hallicrafters did make several tube portable shortwave radio. The
>>> model S-72, but it used a 1R5 as the converter.  They also made the
>>> model S-93 which is listed in my Communications Receivers book as a
>>> battery/AC/DC set but the tube complement isn't given.  This web site
>>> http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/hallicraft_s_93_s93.html shows that it did
>>> use a 1L6.  So we know that Hallicrafters made at least one set using
>>> this tube, so they would have had some branded with their name on it.
>>> Maybe the Government had purchased some of these sets even though they
>>> were not specificly a military radio?  (could have been for use
>>> by MARS or CAP?)
>>>
>> Just for general information, the most likely destination for Halli'
>> branded 1L6's was probably the TO knockoff TW-1000 and TW-2000...same
>> tube lineup as the later 'real' Transoceanics.
>>
>> Of course, at least Paul D. knows this, as he sold me my TW-1000....
>>
>> jak
> 
> 
>    Another possibility:  Hallicrafters might have been the low bidder to
> supply spare 1L6 tubes for other radios.  A lot of COTS spare parts are
> not provided by the OEM on military contracts.
> 
> 
Possible, but doubtful, as nobody but Sylvania made the 1L6; although a 
bid might have come up that Hallicrafters lowballed due to an overstock 
of the type, after discontinuing the above receivers.

As far as I know, Halli' never actually 'made' tubes...did they?

jak



Article: 334891 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:16:18 -0500
Message-ID: <17757-44768F22-274@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4475D385.1900BF0E@earthlink.net>

U.S.Army,three years,I Joined up.October 1962 to October 1965.January
1964,from boot camp at Fort Gordon,Georgia to Scott Air Force
Base,Illinois.(ARADCOM,Nike Hecules Missiles) through September
1963.October and November 1963,Fort Knox,Kentucky.(ammo school)
1964,Vietnam.January through October 1965,Fort Hood,Texas.I did my three
years in the U.S.Army and then I went on back to civilian life.God Bless
America.God Bless our Troops.
cuhulin 



Article: 334892 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: THE HIGH COST OF SHIPPING.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:44:56 -0500
Message-ID: <17757-447695D8-283@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148620313.060801.31780@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Trash pick up days are Tuesdays and Fridays in this city of confusion I
live in.
cuhulin



Article: 334893 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "John Powers" <johnpowers6@earthlink.net>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02> <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Message-ID: <v%xdg.7892$y4.4622@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:20:59 GMT

Gary,

I don't know exactly how close to original you want to be, but the HV 
multi-section could be replaced with a twist-lock. They are usually 1" or 1 
3/8" diameter and they can go up to 525V, so they fit above the chassis, 
maybe even fitting in the original clamp, and they have a metal can so they 
look ok.

Just an idea.

JP


"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02...
>I know what you're saying.  In fact, it has been remarked before that 
>certain Philco radios are hard to service because every component has 
>something else in the way.  The Philco 54 I have is one of these.  Yes, 
>it's a bit crowded, but working with car radios I'm somewhat used to it.
>
> It's not so bad for the most part -- when you recap, you usually end up 
> gaining a fair amount of space.  But what about those electrolytics? 
> Nearly all of them are three-parts, 22/400, 20/400, 20/25.  You can't buy 
> new replacements anywhere at any price (that I know of), so you gotta 
> stick new ones underneath -- but where?  I think this is my biggest 
> challenge when servicing these.
>
> I've seen a number of radios where new caps are soldered to the old posts. 
> I HATE these, as I've seen leaky and shorted filters -- a LOT of them on 
> car radios.  Generally I remove the components and wires, break off the 
> terminals entirely, solder a terminal strip to the chassis, and rewire to 
> the strip.  The new filters go wherever they'll fit.  The 20/25 is easy, 
> but the others can be quite fun.
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
>
> "Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> wrote in message 
> news:OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com...
>>> whine.
>>
>> Well, you're right, nobody held a gun to my head and said, Buy This. I 
>> have only myself to blame.
>>
>>> famous for what Loctal sockets are famous for, and only a small Chinese 
>>> woman has fingers small enough to pull one of those tubes out.
>>
>> Always fun. When I was removing one of the loctals in this set, the glass 
>> envelope shattered in my fingers.
>>
>> Wish I had a good under-chassis photo of the "1942" Philco console that I 
>> owned several years ago. It's one of those cobbled together from a 
>> left-over prewar auto radio chassis bolted into an ugly wooden console 
>> cabinet, and sold after domestic radio production was shut down for the 
>> war. I gave away the whole thing after it sat in my garage for a year or 
>> two.
>>
>> There's no reason apart from cheapness to make the chassis so cramped in 
>> this large-ish tabletop radio/phono. If they had used the available space 
>> inside the cabinet, the chassis could easily be twice the size. But this 
>> way they could use the same tin pan & basic design in any number of 
>> smaller radios, I suppose.
>>
>> Phil Nelson
>>
>>
>
> 




Article: 334895 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Beware:1934 Scott 15 in a Napier cabinet scam auction going on
Message-ID: <0sld72d3ms4j9o7cv0ggno0663lr3ac66k@4ax.com>
References: <1148597836.746474.119980@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <vPqdg.7169$GM.4219@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1148599584.420603.126480@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <iardg.7171$GM.932@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:25:55 GMT

On Thu, 25 May 2006 23:34:38 GMT, "jim menning"
<jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote:

>
>He claims the previous listing was when his brother tried to sell the radio for him, 
>but the buyer backed out.  

Interestingly, the original buyer is now NARU.


Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 334896 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Message-ID: <hPCdg.12074$qn2.7645@trnddc04>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:49:17 GMT

What's with the political correctness?

"Uh, a lot of people might disagree with me, but I personally think a signal 
tracer is a useful tool.  Yes, I may be a bit weird, and I suppose a few 
others might also find it handy at times, but remember that a lot of people 
don't have them and they'll make fun of you if they catch you using one . . 
."

You can drive your car without gasoline, if someone pushes it.  For heaven's 
sake, a signal tracer is indeed a handy tool, particularly for working on 
these older radios -- and anything audio.  When I work on a radio, the first 
step, after assuring it's safe to apply power, is to touch the tracer probe 
to the volume control to see if I get sound to that point.  If not, work 
backwards through the IF.  If so, head forward to the power output.

As an example, I just rebuilt a 56 Chevy Delco.  The current draw was fine, 
so I turned it on and listened -- totally dead.  I turned on the tracer and 
touched the probe to the volume control -- sounds great.  I then touched it 
to some of the pins of both output tubes -- also great, and really strong at 
the plates.  So what's left?  The output transformer and the speaker. 
Touched it to the speaker connector, nothing.  However the plates have 
voltage, so we know the transformer primary is there; must be the secondary. 
A visual inspection showed a transformer wire that had broken, that was 
supposed to be soldered to the chassis.  Reattached it, radio plays fine. 
This troubleshooting process took maybe 5 minutes.

The Eico 147 is a wonderful little tracer.  It also has a current measuring 
tool, kinda hokey but it's better than nothing.  The only thing I don't like 
about it is the fact that it uses tubes.  I'm certainly not going to listen 
to it buzz and crackle all day, so it's only on when I actually use it.  But 
then when I'm ready, I have to sit and wait for it to warm up.  The one I'm 
using now is a later model Eico that's solid state.  Of course these are 
easy to build too (just take a spare portable radio and fasten a probe to 
the volume control), but it's really just as easy to locate a good used one 
at a surplus store or swap meet.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com





"Tom Adkins" <newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>  Recently I've been acquiring test equipment and "stuff" to get back into 
> the radio hobby. Over the years I've seen a lot of signal tracers, like 
> the Eico 147 and others. They seem like a good idea but I've never had or 
> used one. Does anybody here use one with any regularity? Pros?, Cons? 




Article: 334897 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: 38-116  Got it!
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <UQsdg.77$3B.60@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <pmDdg.3799$1i1.2253@attbi_s72>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:26:45 GMT

In article <UQsdg.77$3B.60@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com 
says...
>
>
>This set KICKS A$$  Man that thing pumps when you crank it up... and the 
>bass switch is working properly now too and YES it does do something.
>
>Keith
>
>
>
15 toober Philcos are "Real Radios" .... not only in the audio department
but also excellent front ends.. nice repeatable dial arrangements..
Lots of radio there..
Congrats on finding the foulup... 
John k9uwa



Article: 334898 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <127cspi3q6eahc0@corp.supernews.com>
Message-ID: <RwDdg.3810$1i1.2772@attbi_s72>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:37:53 GMT

In article <127cspi3q6eahc0@corp.supernews.com>, yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net 
says...
>
>
>I don't know these folks, of course, except by their ads. But there's not 
>much more to know.
>
>John H. 
>
>
Well in this case you have two things different here...

#1 is that one seller is a phono guy and after reading the description
you are more comfortable with this guy who actually fixed this thing
himself... 

#2 problem this is the big one... if you want to sell something then
put it in a store and put a price tag on it ... buyers will either buy
it or if the price is too high then you can pay expensive storage on
it at one of the junk malls... if your going to have an auction for
the item... then get real ... start the auction bidding at a price
that will draw bidders.. and let the real market determine what the
value of the item is... some of these idiots on fleabay haven't a clue
as to how to auction an item... 

John k9uwa



Article: 334899 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Anyone in Idaho interested in a lot of Sams Photofacts?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1148610448.463262.292330@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <127crfc8a7b4da8@corp.supernews.com> <BfGdnUcnxdD38uvZRVn-vQ@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <xzDdg.3812$1i1.2105@attbi_s72>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:40:45 GMT

In article <BfGdnUcnxdD38uvZRVn-vQ@comcast.com>, grahamiba@comcast.net says...
>
>
>
>"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
>news:127crfc8a7b4da8@corp.supernews.com...
>> Only problem is there are almost no old radios in Twin Falls, and they are 
all 
>> worth less than fifty dollars anyway.
>>
>> John H.
>
>... he has spoken ... 
>
>
and John is right on target ... the early ones will sell for a little
bit.. the others... fireplace fodder unless someone just plain
wants them....
John k9uwa



Article: 334900 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:48:56 -0500
Message-ID: <18384-44770748-18@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148645337.157290.150740@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

I really dont have anything agains't auctions,I have been to a couple of
them before.At one of them in Byram about 15 years ago,I bought a big
Craftsman metal lathe in excellent condition and still mounted on the
heavy duty wooden bench ($350.00) and a big metal bandsaw ($40.00) and
two old wagon wheels ($50.00).

The electronic thingys someone else mentioned,things like that show up
at the Goodwill store every once in a while.That Goodwill store is seven
tenths of a mile South of me and there are two other Goodwill stores,one
of them is in Pearl and the other one is in Ridgeland and there is a
Salvation Army thrift store and Jones Flea Market in Pearl and at least
half a dozen other flea markets and assorted junk shops around here and
of course there are lots of yard sales too and the classifieds in the
various newspapers.

I do get to the Goodwill store near me once in a while,but I literally
do not have any room for any more old things unless I get rid of
something else first.A couple of days ago,after I went to the Goodwill
store,I drove my 1978 Dodge van over to Pete Robertson's auto repair
shop on JR Lynch Street for a new safety sticker.(my old one ran out of
date on August 2004)

Of course my old van is always full of old things (I think old junk sits
there and breeds more old junk) I bought from the Goodwill store.I gave
the guy (Mike Robertson,he owns the auto shop now since his dad passed
away a few years ago.I have known those folks since back in the 1960's)
a very nice Murray ladies three speed in the hub bicycle for free.The
tires on the bicycle still have those little rubber thingys on them just
like all new bicycle tires have.I bought that bicycle at the Goodwill
store last year for $8.00.I just need to get rid of a lot of my old
junk.
cuhulin
       



Article: 334901 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4477091f$0$31639$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
References: <1148387094.307140.47350@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2305061527230001@216-80-74-244.d.enteract.com>   <1148469742.590632.88770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2405062133030001@216-80-74-101.d.enteract.com>   <1148556439.367103.236460@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1148558874.222507.197710@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <a5db72dugnegpkng15spb4u8omodaqef81@4ax.com>   <1148579173.608171.65640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1148643715.116566.232220@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1148645019.544991.197950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148645832.577404.258620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: 26 May 2006 13:56:47 GMT

CAINE <winchester1886@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If you want to solder in caps, into your own radios, that are way out
> of spec, by all means Peter, have at it.

It's all about leakage current and ESR. You nor Peter can change anything 
about that.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 334902 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1148597836.746474.119980@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <vPqdg.7169$GM.4219@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1148599584.420603.126480@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <iardg.7171$GM.932@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0sld72d3ms4j9o7cv0ggno0663lr3ac66k@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Beware:1934 Scott 15 in a Napier cabinet scam auction going on
Message-ID: <cXDdg.7293$GM.702@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:06:00 GMT


"Brian McAllister" <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:0sld72d3ms4j9o7cv0ggno0663lr3ac66k@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 23:34:38 GMT, "jim menning"
> <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>He claims the previous listing was when his brother tried to sell the radio for 
>>him,
>>but the buyer backed out.
>
> Interestingly, the original buyer is now NARU.
>
>


And the new auction is now gone.

jim menning 




Article: 334903 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:52:09 -0500
Message-ID: <18384-44771619-28@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148652296.534179.327050@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

When I croak,I guess my next oldest sister (she is three years older
than I am,I am sixty four years old) and her hubby will get a junk
dealer to look over my old thingys and let him make an offer.[Just get
all of that old junk out of here! so we can clean up his old house and
sell it]

At any rate,I hope they take good care of my little doggy (doggy,she
owns the couch)   www.cattledog.com   Maybe their daughter (their
daughter owns a preschool day care center and my sister works for her
daughter,looking after those rug rats) will want my little doggy.
cuhulin 



Article: 334904 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Greed, One of the Seven Deadly Sins
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:18:38 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e5768e$lng$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com>    <xIidndQ3iOZ48-vZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1148646482.820213.232170@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

In <1148646482.820213.232170@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> writes:

>a) anything actually sold on eBay is necessarily overpriced. Why?
>Because out of the countless tens-of-thousands of potential bidders for
>any given item in any given category, only one (1) was willing to pay
>the final price. Therefore that person is nuts as countless thousands
>of others were not willing to pay that price.

   Yabbut....

   The same can be said about anything at a flea market, collectibles
show, swap meet, or even a store.  It's not exactly the same in the
case where a bidding war breaks out, but when there's a high reserve
(such as the auction in question) and only one person is willing to
meet the price they get the one on the shelf.

   One thing that does make eBay different is a narrow window of
opportunity.  I'd been looking for a Scott 6T11 television for a
few years.  Not rabidly, mind you, but I'd like to get one some day.
A few months back I noticed one go for a very reasonable price.
I noticed a few days too late.  Oh, well.  As you say, there will
be another one.

>similar item into the market. All of a sudden, there are six of them.

>c) John, and others like him are 'bothered' because radios such as that
>one are bits of history-on-the-hoof.

   That brings to mind a rather interesting mental image. :)

   Peter, you can't have it both ways -- either this is a tragedy
in the making, or "there will always be another one".  Reality is
probably somewhere in between.

   For the record, I think this set is neat as hell, and from what
I've seen of John's stylings and tastes, I can't think of a better
match.  Hopefully the stars will align and somehow he winds up with
it.

   Yes, it's a drag when folks set "unreasonable" reserves on things.
I was recently after a shoe-fitting fluoroscope (in Lancaster, no
less!) where the reserve was revealed to be a grand.  Because of
this, I didn't bid.  After the auction ended at $200 I e-mailed
the seller with an offer of $300.  Never heard back from them.
This being a consignment, the owner might have felt for that price
they'd rather keep it themselves.  There will be another.

>Just to test what goes at eBay, look up reproduction metal signs,
>reproduction prints or any of several other similar items. They sell
>(when they sell) typically for ~125% of direct-source prices. Go
>figure. 

   And there's other items you can get cheaper, or might not have
been able to find at all without considerable effort in the days
before.  Such is life.

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Article: 334905 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:37:49 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com>    <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02>    <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com>    <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02>    <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com>    <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com> <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

In <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> writes:

>NTSC can be "obsoleted"

   NTSC sooooo needs to go away.  Any transport mechanism that gets rid
of irrevocably smashing luma and chroma together is alright by me.  Yes,
it's possible nowadays to do a near-perfect decode with 3D combs, but,
jeezus!  The flaming hoops you have to jump thru to do so; all crammed
into a consumer set.

   I've got an Accom encoder in each color correct room that feeds....
a waveform monitor. :)  Other than that, composite video has long been
history in post-production, and good riddance!

   Decoders for legacy sets will be available dirt cheap.  Hell, serial
digital component -> NTSC/PAL (auto switching) composite has been a
single chip for years now.  I've got a box sitting on my desk that does
that, and is half the size of a pack of cigarettes.  When ATSC really
ramps up and they start stamping these things out like toasters, all
you'll need for an NTSC set is a convertor box feeding a modulator
(aka a dead VCR) and Bob's your uncle.

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Article: 334906 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Larry Fowkes" <larry@lfowkesNOSPAM.com>
References: <1148610448.463262.292330@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone in Idaho interested in a lot of Sams Photofacts?
Message-ID: <omFdg.17511$fb2.9667@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:43:16 GMT

If no one comes forward for them I wonder if a larger public library would
be interested. That way they would be available for many people to use and
the family would get a nice tax deduction to boot.

Larry




Article: 334907 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <JFudg.2842$vs5.632@newsfe23.lga> <44768CF9.D3FA1044@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Stark VTVM info
Message-ID: <opFdg.3584$I_7.1908@newsfe21.lga>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:48:12 -0500


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:44768CF9.D3FA1044@earthlink.net...
> Nelson Gietz wrote:
> >
> > Anyone have info on calibrating a Stark VMK-3A
> > VTVM?  I've come in contact with a newbie who
> > needs some tools.  This one is nice, but I have no
> > info on several cal. pots on the back, and how to
> > adjust 'em.  It'll get recapped before he gets it.
> > Cheers,
> > Nelson
>
>
>    Does it really need calibrated or does he just want to play with the
> pots?  Unless its been tampered with, or there are burnt precision
> resistors it should be close enough to work on old radios.
>
    Yeah, I guess I got ahead of myself... should check it against the
meters I have here before worrying about calibration.  I just started
with the assumption that it prolly was off the mark due to age, and
wanted to pass it on to him in fine-tuned condition.
    I'm one of these guys that likes to have all the tech info on every
device in the place.
    Cheers,
    Nelson




Article: 334908 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Beware:1934 Scott 15 in a Napier cabinet scam auction going on
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:04:18 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e578u2$k14$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1148597836.746474.119980@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <vPqdg.7169$GM.4219@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1148599584.420603.126480@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <iardg.7171$GM.932@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0sld72d3ms4j9o7cv0ggno0663lr3ac66k@4ax.com>

In <0sld72d3ms4j9o7cv0ggno0663lr3ac66k@4ax.com> Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid> writes:

>On Thu, 25 May 2006 23:34:38 GMT, "jim menning"
><jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote:

>>He claims the previous listing was when his brother tried to sell the radio for him, 
>>but the buyer backed out.  

>Interestingly, the original buyer is now NARU.

   After getting a Scott Napier, what more do you need? :)

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Article: 334909 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:15:38 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e579j9$57p$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com>    <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02>    <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com>    <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02>    <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com>    <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com>    <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com> <1148659298.961196.183840@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

In <1148659298.961196.183840@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> writes:

>What the hell else that's actually good do you recommend then?

   Component digital.

>YOU sit here for 15 hours watching a digital feed to an analog
>transmitter fail miserably and nobody at channel seven notices, even
>though it's their subchannel on the DTV signal also. It's just the news
>over and over and a few features with college sports added.

   There's your problem -- watching fifteen hours of television.
Good Goddess, turn the damn thing off after an hour and go do
something else!

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Article: 334910 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:39:08 -0500
Message-ID: <18357-44772F2C-13@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>
References: <e579j9$57p$1@reader1.panix.com>

I own some old Philco tube type and Philco radios.Best as I
remember,they all work too.LQQK,if an old Radio by any name works
OK,leave it alone and enjoy the old Radio(s) Why do y'all have to go so
hog wild crazy about recapping and all of that stuff? It doesn't make
any sense to me at all.
cuhulin 



Article: 334911 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:44:56 -0500
Message-ID: <18356-44773088-42@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>
References: <e579j9$57p$1@reader1.panix.com>

NO!,,, your problem is telling people about how they should run their tv
sets.The Long Voyage Home movie is on Radio tv now.
cuhulin



Article: 334912 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OK get this...
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:49:23 -0500
Message-ID: <18356-44773193-43@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148660071.025984.282430@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

If it's white smoke,your car is running too lean.If it's black
smoke,your car probally needs new rings and a balve (valve) job.It could
be any one of a number of thangys.Maybe you ought to start pedaling a
bicycle?
cuhulin



Article: 334913 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Greed, One of the Seven Deadly Sins
Message-ID: <9CGdg.77$As2.27@trnddc02>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:08:21 GMT

I'm not quite sure why I'm contributing to this thread -- it'll just keep it 
going ad infinitum.  However suffice it to say that one either has sales 
skills or one does not.

You can take a nice Zenith Walton and put it for sale in an antique store on 
the other side of town, stick a price tag of $50 on it and it will probably 
sit there for months.  But notify a group of radio collectors and where do 
you start?  Two thousand?  Three thousand?  It'll be gone in a second.

The same goes for eBay and similar auctions.  Not everybody understands the 
values of these pieces.  Someone might be on there every day making money 
buying/selling radios, while someone else may have found an old console in 
his uncle's attic.  The market is the market, and we've all passed up pricey 
items and have snapped up bargains.  So it is what it is -- no need to 
criticize.


-- 
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Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com



"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
news:127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com...
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Eveready-Tube-Floor-Model-59-Radio-Record-Play_W0QQitemZ6631060101
>
> As I predicted, this offensively priced radio from a clutching, scraping, 
> angry clueless seller continues to stink up the eBay listings, relisted 
> over and over and over. They're SO generous they lowered the BuyItNow from 
> a grand to a bargain $599- !!! They seem like the type to break it up for 
> firewood rather than sell it with no reserve so the market can tell then 
> it's worth two hundred, MAX.
>
> John H.
> 




Article: 334915 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: 500 radio auction in Anaheim
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:33:12 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e57hl8$bvh$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <udOdncwazv5Vt-rZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com>

In <udOdncwazv5Vt-rZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com> "Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> writes:

>Did anyone else get a notice about this?

>http://www.international-auction-gallery.com/calendarprev/clickhereforauctionpreview.html

>Too far away for me. If it were closer, I'd go just to see what things sell 
>for.

>Lots of ho-hum stuff, but I see a few interesting things mixed in there. 
>Nothing looks restored. If they sell things in lots, as mentioned, somebody 
>could go home with some bargains.

   Not picking on that auction in particular, but I've always loved
auction speak.  You know, where every single item listed is an
Extremely Important, Early, Rare & Unusual Nut, Bolt, and Matching
Washer...

   Cracks me up.

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Article: 334916 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:38:40 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e57hvg$bvh$2@reader1.panix.com>
References: <e579j9$57p$1@reader1.panix.com> <18356-44773088-42@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>

In <18356-44773088-42@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> cuhulin@webtv.net writes:

>NO!,,, your problem is telling people about how they should run their tv
>sets.

   Are you talking about me?  It's not me per se, but other folks have
ALWAYS told you how you have to run your tee-vee.  Since just about when
you were born they've insisted you watch 525 lines per frame.  The
bastards! :)

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Article: 334917 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:40:06 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com>    <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02>    <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com>    <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02>    <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com>    <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com>    <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com> <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

In <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Stephanie Weil" <stephanienyc@gmail.com> writes:

>Tim Mullen wrote:

>>    NTSC sooooo needs to go away.

>The day that happens, then...I hope you buy me a new television set to
>replace what turned into a very expensive and heavy doorstop. :)

   C'mon, Steph!  You snipped the part I wrote about cheap demodulators!

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Article: 334918 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Greed, One of the Seven Deadly Sins
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:16:13 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e57k5s$8gn$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com> <9CGdg.77$As2.27@trnddc02>

In <9CGdg.77$As2.27@trnddc02> "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> writes:

>The market is the market, and we've all passed up pricey items and
>have snapped up bargains.  So it is what it is -- no need to 
>criticize.

   What he said.

   There's so much nifty stuff out there, if something comes along
that's more than you're willing to pay just shrug and go on to the
next.

   If that one item is the one and only thing you'll ever covet,
consider yourself lucky and consider several hundred bux a bargain.

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Article: 334919 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Pete Bertini" <radioconnection@cox.net>
References: <1148594584.308472.100560@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <YZKdnX0qZ9GN9evZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com>   <44765f2f$0$24300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>   <447666b1$0$24252$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <1148641155.564236.152910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: NOS HALLICRAFTERS 1L6 TUBES FOR ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC
Message-ID: <nGIdg.77028$IZ2.74592@dukeread07>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:29:15 -0400


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1148641155.564236.152910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>  >
> One more speculation: Betcha if all of us (and I _am_ an offender here)
> were to count up our hoarded 1L6s and drop them on the market
> all-at-once, there would be a pretty severe price drop. I expect I have
> 15 or so, including those in actual use, as well as six 1U6s and one
> 1AC6, and half-a-dozen DK92s. Many millions were made of all four
> types.
>
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA

Peter

Several years ago the government surplused a large batch of 1L6s...

The price dropped for a few months, but then rose
back up fairly quickly. I suspect collectors are hoarding more
of these devices than we might imagine!

Pete 




Article: 334920 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:24:21 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com>
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In <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> "Stephanie Weil" <stephanienyc@gmail.com> writes:

>Tim Mullen wrote:

>>    C'mon, Steph!  You snipped the part I wrote about cheap demodulators!

>I saw it, Tim.

>But what good is a demod box going to do me when I take a 5" B&W tv set
>out on a trip somewhere? Even better...what about my pocket LCD 2" TV
>set?

   Fair enuff.  I hadn't considered mobile usage.  The whole =concept=
of watching teevee when you're outdoors just doesn't want to penetrate
my brain.  But anyway, sooner or later someone will come along with a
battery powered box you can strap on.

   And to underline all this: no way do I think broadcast analog is
going anywhere within the next decade or two.

>Why do _I_ as a viewer have to pay for an extra gew-gag to get the same
>service that's coming directly through my TV antenna into my analog
>set?

   Because it's *not* the same service.

   For the specific application you mentioned above, sure, you'll
never notice.  For that matter I'd never notice on most of my sets
if anyone was broadcasting in color.  Could still all be black & white
so far as I'm concerned.

   However, standards are not, and should not be, promulgated to
fill either my or your niche viewing habits.

>'course the whole Digital OTA vs. Analaog OTA is rendered moot.  Most
>of the USA watches TV via cable or  DirecTV "pizza dishes".

   For the record, I've worked in post-production for twenty years
and was a design engineer for RCA Broadcast Systems before that.
However, I've never worked in broadcast per se, don't have cable,
and watch very little television.  So I'm not an expert on delivery
methods, and don't care a whole lot one way or the other.

>The few people watching antenna-delivered TV  are probably not in the
>socioeconomic brackets that advertisers covet anyway.

   Even though I work in the industry advertising mystifies me.
One slot will be for a dollar object (can of soda).  Next comes
something for $35,000 (a car).  Then we're back to selling a
dollar candy bar.  Weird.

   For the Hummers and Lexus ads you might have a point, but
almost everybody across the economic spectrum buys soda, detergent,
etc.

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Article: 334921 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Message-ID: <a0re721ngcq91r0kt1ataki5l612orp7lr@4ax.com>
References: <4475D385.1900BF0E@earthlink.net> <1148676546.396353.29560@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:59:23 -0400

On 26 May 2006 13:49:06 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>big deal- my grandfather fought in the trenches of France as a
>artilleryman, and was decorated during WWI, he was mustard gassed by
>the Germans- my 2 uncles fought in WWII, Atlantic and Pacific theaters.
> One had his destroyer kamikazed oiut from under him, and ended up
>floating in the Pacific on a life vest- he's deaf in one ear to this
>day from it.  The other drove landing craft.  My dad and other 2 uncles
>were Korea and Nam vets. One fought in Korea, then later volunteered
>for 2 tours of duty in Nam.  My cousin flew jets in Desert Storm, and
>bombed Bagdad. My other cousin served in Iraqi Freedom. Therefore,  I
>am not impressed with anyone's peacetime military service.  That's
>basically collecting a check for doing nothing.   No different than the
>national guard or reserves.  I can shoot a rifle better than any
>peacetime soldier I know, what's that say ?  nuff said.


Says you are one of the stupiest fucks on this planet is what it says!
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
prove it. 


*Used with express written permission of its creator.


Article: 334922 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44776dc4$0$31641$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
References: <1148387094.307140.47350@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2305061527230001@216-80-74-244.d.enteract.com>   <1148469742.590632.88770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2405062133030001@216-80-74-101.d.enteract.com>   <1148556439.367103.236460@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1148558874.222507.197710@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <a5db72dugnegpkng15spb4u8omodaqef81@4ax.com>   <1148579173.608171.65640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1148643715.116566.232220@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1148645019.544991.197950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1148645832.577404.258620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <4477091f$0$31639$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <1148675832.051460.276070@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: 26 May 2006 21:06:12 GMT

CAINE <bb69@epix.net> wrote:
> so you're saying that, if the leakage current was ok, and the ESR was
> good, but the cap had a value twice as much as printed on the cap, and
> twice as much as the print called for, you'd put that in the space
> shuttle, and it's good to fly, you'd sign right off on that as a-ok

The cap would not have this twice-as-high value on your meter if the 
leakage current is within specs. Having said that I'm off to lurking 
again, so don't bother discussing any further.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 334923 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:08:29 -0500
Message-ID: <15714-44776E4D-69@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <a0re721ngcq91r0kt1ataki5l612orp7lr@4ax.com>

I was back and forth from Scott Air Force Base,Illinois and
SL60,(SL60,near Pacific,Missouri) I never was issued a Secret Clearance
card that I was suppose to have untill about two months later.
cuhulin,(sekert aigint mannnn,,,,,) 



Article: 334924 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:04:37 -0500
Message-ID: <15714-44776D65-67@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <a0re721ngcq91r0kt1ataki5l612orp7lr@4ax.com>

I am extremly Impressed with the Great Men and Women in our
U.S.Military.That is really a Big Deal.
cuhulin



Article: 334925 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Message-ID: <4vre72t0vo938ikssr2chg8aq7li778l4f@4ax.com>
References: <a5db72dugnegpkng15spb4u8omodaqef81@4ax.com> <1148579173.608171.65640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148643715.116566.232220@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148645019.544991.197950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148645832.577404.258620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148653361.190982.88990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148660593.060862.326040@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148667214.877057.218100@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:16:10 GMT

On 26 May 2006 11:13:34 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

Peter,

"Never try to teach a pig to sing...it wastes your time and it annoys
the pig."


Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 334926 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 07:08:15 +0900
Message-ID: <e57u5o$4g6$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1148387094.307140.47350@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2305061527230001@216-80-74-244.d.enteract.com>   <1148469742.590632.88770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2405062133030001@216-80-74-101.d.enteract.com>   <1148556439.367103.236460@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1148558874.222507.197710@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <a5db72dugnegpkng15spb4u8omodaqef81@4ax.com>   <1148579173.608171.65640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1148643715.116566.232220@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1148645019.544991.197950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1148645832.577404.258620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <4477091f$0$31639$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <1148675832.051460.276070@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <44776dc4$0$31641$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>


<maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl> wrote in message 
news:44776dc4$0$31641$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> CAINE <bb69@epix.net> wrote:
>> so you're saying that, if the leakage current was ok, and the ESR was
>> good, but the cap had a value twice as much as printed on the cap, and
>> twice as much as the print called for, you'd put that in the space
>> shuttle, and it's good to fly, you'd sign right off on that as a-ok
>
> The cap would not have this twice-as-high value on your meter if the
> leakage current is within specs. Having said that I'm off to lurking
> again, so don't bother discussing any further.
>


IIRC, most electrolytic caps are spec'd at -20/+100% in the first place. 
Isn't it only tantalums that are any closer?  Values of electrolytic caps 
are only critical in timing circuits (e.g. horizontal and vertical 
oscillators in television sets)





Article: 334927 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 01:23:11 +0200
Message-ID: <e582l0$qjr$03$1@news.t-online.com>
References: <127cspi3q6eahc0@corp.supernews.com>

Hagstar wrote:
> .....just to open the bidding. People like this don't seem to grasp
the
> concept of AUCTION. It's an idea that instead of you getting a
swelled head
> counting all your unhatched chickens you let other people help
advise you on
> how much something is worth-
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Victrola-Mahogany-Floor-Model-VV-110-10306-
1921_W0QQitemZ663244158

Removed item, says eBay.

> In contrast, see how this decent, honest seller (who is clearly NOT
a lazy
> chiseling Yuppie who thinks they won the lottery) has this stunning
and far
> more interesting phono hanging there (currently) at $55- with NO
RESERVE.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tiger-Oak-Victor-Victrola-XIV-78rpm-Record-Phonogr
aph_W0QQitemZ6632334672

This is an exciting machine! Sold in Germany as "Polyfar" by
the German Gramophone Company, but always w/o the wheels.
No idea if imported or license manufactured as an exact copy.
My "Polyfar" is missing the record store mimik in the lower
compartment.
Doesn't matter, I payed 40 DM (~20 EUR) 35 years ago from an estate
sale,
CIF-price ... too much?  ;-)

Kind Regards,
Georg






Article: 334928 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <127cspi3q6eahc0@corp.supernews.com> <e582l0$qjr$03$1@news.t-online.com>
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
Message-ID: <JzMdg.7304$GM.716@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:55:21 GMT


"Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote in message 
news:e582l0$qjr$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Victrola-Mahogany-Floor-Model-VV-110-10306-
> 1921_W0QQitemZ663244158
>
> Removed item, says eBay.
>

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ6632441582

jim menning 




Article: 334929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com>   <W_adnUy7AabWcevZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com> <1148655432.624972.216550@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jM6dnXODioG6CerZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Greed, One of the Seven Deadly Sins
Message-ID: <zCMdg.7305$GM.6208@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:58:23 GMT


"graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:jM6dnXODioG6CerZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com> wrote in message 
> news:1148655432.624972.216550@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>> PS graham should lighten up.
>
>>John is one of the best restorers
>
> ... that might be
>
>>and contributors to this group, and if he wants to bitch about an auction,
>> at least it's intelligent bitching from one who makes valuable
>> contributions.
>
> ... well, doing a quick count of the posts he has started since 8/26/05
>    50 out of 86 are links to ebay and includes, what I assume you
>    mean "intelligent bitching" ... just not sure how valuable those
>    contributions are ....
>

I'd guess a whole lot more valuable than your complaining of them.

jim menning 




Article: 334930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com>   <W_adnUy7AabWcevZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1148655432.624972.216550@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <jM6dnXODioG6CerZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com>   <zCMdg.7305$GM.6208@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1148688921.417450.91180@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Greed, One of the Seven Deadly Sins
Message-ID: <H7Ndg.7309$GM.923@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:33:43 GMT


"RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1148688921.417450.91180@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Thank you Mr. Knowitall
>

It appears I have some toilet paper stuck to my shoe.

jim menning 




Article: 334931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Greed, One of the Seven Deadly Sins
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:43:52 -0400
Message-ID: <127f86e1shijl3c@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com> <W_adnUy7AabWcevZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com>


"William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:W_adnUy7AabWcevZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> As I predicted, this offensively priced radio from a clutching,
>> scraping, ... seller...
>
> You've been reading "A Christmas Carol", haven't you? (I think you left 
> out
> "grasping" and "covetous".)
>
>

No, I know about half by heart :)

I will be posting plenty more eBay links as I only post terrific buys and 
entertaining jokes. Also I don't ever post other people's auctions just to 
make my own teasers seem less offensive (such people also never post on the 
Forum because most posts there don't involve selling anything).

John H. 




Article: 334932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <UQsdg.77$3B.60@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <127cr9nvmgcv66@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: 38-116  Got it!
Message-ID: <ooNdg.132$3B.113@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:51:32 GMT

This is a good point.  I often just dig in and do it but once past the 
filters and grid caps on the output tubes it sure would hurt to bring it up 
on a variac....

Keith


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
news:127cr9nvmgcv66@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com> wrote in message 
> news:UQsdg.77$3B.60@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> Previous recapping attempt got the plate and grid lead switched on one of 
>> the output tubes
>
> This is why I can't understand Phil Nelson's comment regarding recapping a 
> radio without making it work first. Caps end up miswired even if you recap 
> a WORKING radio checking along the way it still works, imagine how utterly 
> screwed up a non-working one can get by the time it's done being recapped 
> blind.
>
> John H.
> 




Article: 334933 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: 500 radio auction in Anaheim
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <udOdncwazv5Vt-rZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com> <1148672978.792732.21760@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <6pNdg.992373$xm3.5706@attbi_s21>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:52:18 GMT

In article <1148672978.792732.21760@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
tschw10117@aol.com says...
>
>
>I saw very little there of any real "importance", but I did see several
>items of moderate interest. If anyone goes, I'll have you place a proxy
>for me on that Airline Movie dial console. ;-)
>
>Terry.
>
Think that is the 13 toober Movie Dial ... nice radio
John k9uwa



Article: 334934 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <a6Qbg.311$W97.160@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <hgacg.6128$y4.2967@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <a5mdncWDlts13-zZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <Drtcg.6034$8G3.1855@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <Feqdnbmzva5wPe_ZRVn-rA@comcast.com> <ztOcg.1235$W97.1078@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <t2Scg.17244$jb2.1367@newsfe14.phx> <xg7dg.1427$W97.628@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <447514D8.2BD3AC30@earthlink.net> <vmsdg.73$3B.1@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <44766025.BF6ADFB8@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 38-116 output transf? Its the right one!
Message-ID: <dsNdg.133$3B.62@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:55:37 GMT

My head may be Red, But the audio is no longer dead!

Keith


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:44766025.BF6ADFB8@earthlink.net...
> Keith Park wrote:
>>
>> I know, been too lazy to drag it out of the basement, but soon if I need 
>> to!
>>
>> Keith
>
>
>   Its easier to drag out the scope than to keep beating your head
> against the wall! ;-)
>
>
> -- 
> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
> prove it.
> Member of DAV #85.
>
> Michael A. Terrell
> Central Florida 




Article: 334935 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Looking for a label scan on a Philco 51/51A tube shield
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <WZCdnSPTffHDnfPZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@suscom.com>
Message-ID: <1xNdg.992383$xm3.605917@attbi_s21>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 01:00:45 GMT

In article <WZCdnSPTffHDnfPZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@suscom.com>, 
mldenison@suscom.net says...
>
>
>Got a 50/50A tube shield for my Philco Colonial.  Need the label from the 
>51/51A tube shield.  Thanks. 
>
>
Hi Mort... my part time helper is supposed to bring the 551 chassis back
on Tuesday so I should then be able to take pictures etc
John k9uwa



From adouglasatgis.net Sat May 27 23:47:19 EDT 2006
Article: 334936 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Alan Douglas <adouglasatgis.net>
Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Ungluing, then regluing, badly glued wood parts?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:49:38 -0400
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Hi

> So the remaining glue must be 1946 vintage. Whatever it is, the 
>excess drips have dried very hard and are very dark brown. If you pry them 
>off with a razor blade, they Ping like bits of broken glass.

   That describes resorcinol glue very well.  I've used it; that was a
two-part adhesive, a powder with a small amount of liquid stirred in.
I couldn't tell you its chemical composition off the bat, but it was
used for making waterproof plywood, I believe.

Alan


Article: 334937 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Pete Bertini" <radioconnection@cox.net>
References: <4475D385.1900BF0E@earthlink.net> <sdmb72lhb0gmvv2jsvcif2m2foits6k0t9@4ax.com> <wqidnZ-N14oYoOvZ4p2dnA@bright.net>
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Message-ID: <oNNdg.77529$IZ2.20065@dukeread07>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:18:03 -0400

 > DeserTBoB wrote:
 >> There are a few other ass warts in here as well, like the pandering
>> Byrns and that Moustache Pete/Uncle Ginzo character who can't seem to
>> figure the RMS power of a sine wave.

Stupid ass. 0.707 times the peak for RMS of a SINE WAVE. What the
fuck does that have to do with complex waveforms--like video? Go
climb back into your bottle and go into a stupor for the weekend.
Too bad usenet is the only outlet for your sad, lonely and pathetic
existence. Pissant.





Article: 334938 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Robert Murrell" <murrellr-dummy@ameritech.net>
Subject: OT and FA: Funny, at least to me
Message-ID: <KNNdg.17680$fb2.13541@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 01:18:34 GMT

http://cgi.ebay.com/stunning-RARE-aircraft-DECO-marble-LAMP-PICTURE-FRAME_W0QQitemZ7418067955QQcategoryZ63547QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

At least its electric.  Its being auctioned from Munich, Germany.  It has "A 
vintage quadrimotor plane is hovering over the lamp."  They probably don't 
recognize it because very few Germans ever say this plane from the top.




Article: 334939 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Robert Murrell" <murrellr-dummy@ameritech.net>
References: <KNNdg.17680$fb2.13541@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: OT and FA: Funny, at least to me
Message-ID: <JTNdg.17681$fb2.14649@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 01:24:57 GMT

I should admit that a proper display should also include a 109 or 190 
blowing the engines off.

"Robert Murrell" <murrellr-dummy@ameritech.net> wrote in message 
news:KNNdg.17680$fb2.13541@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> http://cgi.ebay.com/stunning-RARE-aircraft-DECO-marble-LAMP-PICTURE-FRAME_W0QQitemZ7418067955QQcategoryZ63547QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> At least its electric.  Its being auctioned from Munich, Germany.  It has 
> "A vintage quadrimotor plane is hovering over the lamp."  They probably 
> don't recognize it because very few Germans ever say this plane from the 
> top.
>
> 




Article: 334940 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: A Question
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:52:29 -0400
Message-ID: <127fc734h504t5a@corp.supernews.com>

What is the first best phrase to use for a response to a troll?

Netscape- "Create filter from message"
Explorer- "Block sender"

Remember, the darkness beneath their bridge is brightened most by your 
indignation. ALL attention is welcome to them as they are so desperate for 
it, anger is especially delightful. The angrier your words, the more you 
show they have gotten TO you, the happier you will make them.

Though of course happy is only a relative term for those who contribute 
little but tearing at the contributions of others like apes smashing a TV 
because they can't work the remote. They are our own terrorists- unable to 
build they try to tear down, and trick you into falling into their dark 
hole.

John H. 




Article: 334941 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <JFudg.2842$vs5.632@newsfe23.lga> <44768CF9.D3FA1044@earthlink.net> <opFdg.3584$I_7.1908@newsfe21.lga> <44772FD6.C53A4212@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Stark VTVM info
Message-ID: <PlOdg.3587$I_7.977@newsfe21.lga>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:58:47 -0500


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:44772FD6.C53A4212@earthlink.net...
> Nelson Gietz wrote:
> >
> > "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:44768CF9.D3FA1044@earthlink.net...
> > > Nelson Gietz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anyone have info on calibrating a Stark VMK-3A
> > > > VTVM?  I've come in contact with a newbie who
> > > > needs some tools.  This one is nice, but I have no
> > > > info on several cal. pots on the back, and how to
> > > > adjust 'em.  It'll get recapped before he gets it.
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Nelson
> > >
> > >
> > >    Does it really need calibrated or does he just want to play with
the
> > > pots?  Unless its been tampered with, or there are burnt precision
> > > resistors it should be close enough to work on old radios.
> > >
> >     Yeah, I guess I got ahead of myself... should check it against the
> > meters I have here before worrying about calibration.  I just started
> > with the assumption that it prolly was off the mark due to age, and
> > wanted to pass it on to him in fine-tuned condition.
> >     I'm one of these guys that likes to have all the tech info on every
> > device in the place.
> >     Cheers,
> >     Nelson
>
>
>    Most of the service shop type VTVMs I've seen had three calibration
> pots:
>
> 1: DC   calibration. Set this one first.
> 1: AC   calibration. Set this one next.
> 3: Ohms calibration. Set this one last.
>
Thanks, Michael.
With this info and maybe extrapolating from my 410B instructions, I'll
get 'er lined up.
Nelson




Article: 334942 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Robert Mozeleski" <robert.mozeleski@verizon.net>
References: <4475D385.1900BF0E@earthlink.net> <sdmb72lhb0gmvv2jsvcif2m2foits6k0t9@4ax.com> <wqidnZ-N14oYoOvZ4p2dnA@bright.net>
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Message-ID: <XEOdg.69$%C6.0@trnddc08>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 02:17:27 GMT

So you are saying he is special because he has been here so long and is grandfathered in? Sorry. That's your opinion. Here's mine: 
What, if anything he contributed to the "forum" has nothing to do with this group either. Go praise him there. The way some of the 
"grandfathers" and "net cops" treat any newcomers here is sad. You don't like bill or michael or anybody else, learn to use a kill 
file.
That way, you are your own moderator.

> It is beyond my capacity to understand. New people come into this group and make Bill Meacham out to be a bad guy. I think you 
> should spend some time searching this group and the Forum and see how long and how much Bill has contributed to both groups




Article: 334943 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Robert Mozeleski" <robert.mozeleski@verizon.net>
References: <4475D385.1900BF0E@earthlink.net> <sdmb72lhb0gmvv2jsvcif2m2foits6k0t9@4ax.com> <wqidnZ-N14oYoOvZ4p2dnA@bright.net> <oNNdg.77529$IZ2.20065@dukeread07>
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Message-ID: <9HOdg.70$%C6.53@trnddc08>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 02:19:49 GMT

Uhmmm, another one, dirty fowl language right before a holiday. Makes you wonder.

"Pete Bertini" radioconnection@cox.net wrote in message

What the fuck does that have to do with complex waveforms--like video? Go
> climb back into your bottle and go into a stupor for the weekend. 




Article: 334944 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Robert Mozeleski" <robert.mozeleski@verizon.net>
References: <1148594584.308472.100560@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1148596103.479142.319780@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148597278.621040.159500@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: NOS HALLICRAFTERS 1L6 TUBES FOR ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC
Message-ID: <sMOdg.72$%C6.1@trnddc08>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 02:25:28 GMT

Let me guess, petey wieck said your post was off topic or he said it was not allowed. Tell him to get lost. He's on AOL, that should 
explain him.


<infonws@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:1148597278.621040.159500@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Peter,
>
> I'm sorry my post upset you so much.
>
> Here are the facts:
>
> They are Branded Hallicrafters. I can submit a photo for anyone who is
> interested.
>
> They came in a large military shipment. Go figure.
>
> Everything else stated is as we see them. Lettering? Age, environment.
> We have no interest in cheating or misrepresenting anything. We have
> perfect feedback on Audiogon and eBay.
>
> Audiogon - bte
> Ebay - lahu
>
> These prices are based on the following:
>
> AES lists them for $49.95 IF they have them which they do not. Other
> that do have them list them higher. If anyone wants to make an offer we
> will consider it.
>
> They sell used on eBay for close to this price all the time.
>
> We used a calibrated TV-3 tester.
>
> I hope this answers your questions.
>
> And, beyond that, we guarantee satisfaction with our sales or return
> the tube for a refund.
>
> Gary
> 




Article: 334945 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Roger Blake <rogblake10@iname10.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02> <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02> <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com> <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com> <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>
Message-ID: <slrne7fejp.bqe.rogblake10@moog.netaxs.com>
Date: 27 May 2006 02:32:38 GMT

In article <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>, Tim Mullen wrote:
> In <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> writes:
>    NTSC sooooo needs to go away.

No it does not. It has served well for over 50 years, and would have
continued to do so but for the corrupt FCC bureaucrats.

>    Decoders for legacy sets will be available dirt cheap.

I have no interest in purchasing "decoders," dirt cheap or not.
As far as I am concerned, broadcast television ceases to exist
when analog broadcasts stop.

> you'll need for an NTSC set is a convertor box feeding a modulator
> (aka a dead VCR) and Bob's your uncle.

Not acceptable.

-- 
  Roger Blake
  (Subtract 10 for email.)


Article: 334946 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:34:27 -0400
Message-ID: <127felo570qdta7@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127cspi3q6eahc0@corp.supernews.com> <1148644854.966148.81800@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1148644854.966148.81800@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> John:
>
> Lamar, PA is 71 miles from our summer house, which is west and north of
> Kutztown, north of I80. Do you have an interest in this beast?

Thanks much Peter but no, I just wanted others to have a shot at it who 
don't have a house full of phonos already. I'm pretty sure it will go fairly 
high in price too. BUT next time I see a great PA buy I will remember your 
offer!

John H. 




Article: 334947 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:37:18 -0400
Message-ID: <127fer3nj7hnmaf@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127cspi3q6eahc0@corp.supernews.com>

 Sorry, add a "2" to the end of that first link to make it work.

John H. 




Article: 334948 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: THE HIGH COST OF SHIPPING.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:47:38 -0700
Message-ID: <3dff72t0ah6v3r70n32c464quu99gdo38h@4ax.com>
References: <4475AA92.4727B046@earthlink.net> <17757-447684A8-269@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> <1148620313.060801.31780@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 25 May 2006 22:11:53 -0700, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrow@earthlink.net> wrote:

>So when does the county come by your trailor <snip>

WHY is this becoming one of the most misspelled words in American
English of late?

It's "TRAILER."


Article: 334949 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:46:02 -0700
Message-ID: <caff72hgdobaul2qe1gc4r2vtl521qcnn8@4ax.com>
References: <1148486793.194779.47490@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148498168.630583.67000@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148499253.763127.147840@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-2405061453470001@216-80-74-32.d.enteract.com> <1148502711.685972.121330@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-2405062134580001@216-80-74-101.d.enteract.com> <1148564735.995393.128060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148645585.126779.138320@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 26 May 2006 05:13:05 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Peter,
>
>but you have never listened to an M8 through efficient speakers- so how
>would you know how good or bad it is ? <snip>

Oh, it's bad...4 watts into full range, if shitty, speakers?  My 8
track in my car sounds better.


Article: 334950 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:44:58 -0700
Message-ID: <96ff72h9kei9hp1moc84g0d9t0g2iu61mc@4ax.com>
References: <1148481927.833748.151710@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <Br_cg.7047$uM4.2802@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1148482872.036833.145230@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <j249725go67j0uvuhvojbie7bqkvtduub5@4ax.com> <1148497509.793925.262760@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <EI-dna_gLaE7VunZ4p2dnA@giganews.com> <1148553651.772220.319390@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1zidg.7378$uM4.3152@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1148651449.073001.317680@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 26 May 2006 06:50:49 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>anyone can waltz right into here, and do whatever they want- as long as
>it's not illegal and enforced as such- you don't own the internet, so
>stop trying to police it. <snip>

OK, taking your defective premise into practice, let's have a look at
your fraudBay feedback, shall we?

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=66fourdoor&Dirn=Received+by

>to wit, who the hell would do the speed limit, if no one ever got a
>ticket ?  nobody would. <snip>

Again, your basic concepts of morality and the law are deeply flawed.
That's why you're known worldwide as a crook and fraudster.  You're
reaping the just desserts of your criminal behavior and greed.


Article: 334951 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:49:02 -0700
Message-ID: <offf72t034gp24moig7c4e6tbj4arcehc9@4ax.com>
References: <pdq872tro6c6fqfod0ettr21g9q7cspj08@4ax.com> <1148483043.127849.205550@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148486793.194779.47490@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148498168.630583.67000@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-2505061036170001@216-80-74-134.d.enteract.com> <52ob725if29v971p7ugj1v3iqom7253a1n@4ax.com> <447635AF.603AF6EA@earthlink.net> <ksuc72hqkn7csqeo4s4i3547t3ugsf46jq@4ax.com> <44768B9A.F42E5994@earthlink.net> <1148660238.423233.285310@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 26 May 2006 09:17:18 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>don't sell that Bob guy anything, unless you want your own personal net
>stalker for the next 2 years...he'll plaster your personal info,
>address, phone # all over Usenet, and also call your house and hang up
>about 10 times <snip>

All things Noodles has tried to do to me, not me to him.  For a look
at a really messed up brain, look at his feedback:

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=66fourdoor&Dirn=Received+by


Article: 334952 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:51:49 -0700
Message-ID: <glff72h9tb1csls0plc69n1d9vnk7ftri3@4ax.com>
References: <jbyrns-2305061527230001@216-80-74-244.d.enteract.com> <1148469742.590632.88770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <pdq872tro6c6fqfod0ettr21g9q7cspj08@4ax.com> <1148483043.127849.205550@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148486793.194779.47490@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148498168.630583.67000@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-2505061036170001@216-80-74-134.d.enteract.com> <1148643554.677119.80440@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 26 May 2006 04:39:14 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>yes, if you look under "akai reel to reel" you may find a few- I used
>"M8" in my search
>
>but still, 3 of them is not a lot- Peter was talking "dozens"- there is
>not dozens of M8's for sale
>
>the beauty of the M8 is, the SE dual monoblocks are ready to play a
>phonograph or CD input as is
>
>IMO they are the best audio deal one can buy, if they are tuned up and
>maintained.  I still have not heard a competing unit that sounds better
>
>the shipping isn't too bad on them- mine only cost $32 to ship in <snip>

4 watts...my 8 track in my car sounds better.  Give it up, fraud boy.


Article: 334953 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:51:11 -0700
Message-ID: <8hff721fn08776dhi6efl9vm7ovhdoaol2@4ax.com>
References: <1148469742.590632.88770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <pdq872tro6c6fqfod0ettr21g9q7cspj08@4ax.com> <1148483043.127849.205550@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148486793.194779.47490@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148498168.630583.67000@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-2505061036170001@216-80-74-134.d.enteract.com> <52ob725if29v971p7ugj1v3iqom7253a1n@4ax.com> <447635AF.603AF6EA@earthlink.net> <ksuc72hqkn7csqeo4s4i3547t3ugsf46jq@4ax.com> <44768B9A.F42E5994@earthlink.net>

On Fri, 26 May 2006 05:01:16 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>DeserTBoB wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 25 May 2006 22:54:50 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >   I still have a spare record amp for a Scully 280. <snip>
>> 
>> Oooh!  What kind of shape?  I think I may have it sold for you, but I
>> have to check with the client.  Good workhorse, those 280-8s, and
>> becoming more desireable all the time.
>
>
>   I'll dig it out over the weekend and let you know on Tuesday. <snip>

No rush, but I do have a client who is rebuilding a 280.  I did the
transport for him and installed a new set of Flux heads, but he only
had 7 out of 8 record amps that were in good shape.  The eighth was
rather thrashed physically, and someone with Nudo-like abilities got
into the electronics.


Article: 334954 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:52:16 -0700
Message-ID: <fmff7217hs8a4filvjqrgalb430tja7frm@4ax.com>
References: <jbyrns-2305061527230001@216-80-74-244.d.enteract.com> <1148469742.590632.88770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <pdq872tro6c6fqfod0ettr21g9q7cspj08@4ax.com> <1148483043.127849.205550@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148486793.194779.47490@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148498168.630583.67000@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-2505061036170001@216-80-74-134.d.enteract.com> <1148644018.778180.11770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

On 26 May 2006 04:46:58 -0700, "CAINE" <winchester1886@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>ps- yes, the 770 Roberts is the same deck- but the 720 is not.  It's a
>little different, isn't it ?
>
>Notice how all the M8's are gone now. <snip>

Hey, moron...it's the SAME BASIC THING.


Article: 334955 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:54:52 -0700
Message-ID: <npff72tr5vn8han9vapvcs0ilvhhap4r38@4ax.com>
References: <1148556439.367103.236460@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148558874.222507.197710@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <a5db72dugnegpkng15spb4u8omodaqef81@4ax.com> <1148579173.608171.65640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148643715.116566.232220@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148645019.544991.197950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148645832.577404.258620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4477091f$0$31639$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <1148675832.051460.276070@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 26 May 2006 13:37:12 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>so you're saying that, if the leakage current was ok, and the ESR was
>good, but the cap had a value twice as much as printed on the cap, and
>twice as much as the print called for, you'd put that in the space
>shuttle, and it's good to fly, you'd sign right off on that as a-ok <snip>

Quit trying to "pose," Noodles...it doesn't work.  You don't even know
what ESR is, or what Q is, or how to measure either with that shitball
"cap tester" you got.  You don't even know what a cap is to start
with, or how a tube works, or anything.  Go shoot yourself...commit a
public service suicide.


Article: 334956 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:58:05 -0700
Message-ID: <cuff72tmgqv1toaibdrbdjamseog2irq3g@4ax.com>
References: <1148558874.222507.197710@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <a5db72dugnegpkng15spb4u8omodaqef81@4ax.com> <1148579173.608171.65640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148643715.116566.232220@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148645019.544991.197950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148645832.577404.258620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148653361.190982.88990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148660593.060862.326040@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 26 May 2006 09:23:13 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>Peter,
>
>The caps I've been taking out of these 30 year old units, many are
>TWICE THE VALUE of what is printed on them <snip>

He's not comprehending, because he can't.  Just kill file the thieving
bastard.  Take a look at the REAL "66fourdoor" feedback, as well:

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=66fourdoor&Dirn=Received+by
>
>so they are 200% off
>
>are you suggesting leaving them in ?
>
>quite a few are 50% out of spec
>
>anyone working in the electronics field, would not have their job, and
>possibly their head, if they knowingly agreed to that level of slop-
>esp. in defense, aeronautics, etc.
>
>I'll accept the variance printed on the cap, not over.
>
>so if it's +/- 10%, ok <snip>

You're a complete idiot with no knowledge and a big mouth.  Go shoot
yourself.


Article: 334957 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:07:12 -0700
Message-ID: <mfgf7297lp8qk24s5deu2rk7of42itj59p@4ax.com>
References: <a5db72dugnegpkng15spb4u8omodaqef81@4ax.com> <1148579173.608171.65640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148643715.116566.232220@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148645019.544991.197950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148645832.577404.258620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148653361.190982.88990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148660593.060862.326040@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <447733BB.53478A96@earthlink.net> <1148675477.727340.316130@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 26 May 2006 13:31:17 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>Don't try number semantics with me- my bachelor's is in accounting.
>You haven't a prayer there. <snip>

...which he also doesn't possess.  He also made a posting over in
a.c.8-t-t that he held dual degress in "electronics and banking."
Judging from his ignorance of the most basic electronics, and his 99%
failure rate lately on eBay, I'd say that's convincing evidence that
those were a fraud, too.  He later said that he ran a "garage" near
"Dumbs", PA for twelve years.  A grease monkey with a BS in
accounting?  Maybe if he worked for Enron....


Article: 334958 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:07:51 -0700
Message-ID: <ljgf72t09bbejb8lub0jhjjtaa8k167nlt@4ax.com>
References: <1148579173.608171.65640@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148643715.116566.232220@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148645019.544991.197950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148645832.577404.258620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148653361.190982.88990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148660593.060862.326040@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148667214.877057.218100@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148674890.850392.241350@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 26 May 2006 13:21:30 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>I'm talking <snip>

...out of your ass, as usual.

Go shoot yourself.


Article: 334959 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:09:18 -0700
Message-ID: <gkgf72t43prhq4nfcdt9a2b7h1mdvntq1h@4ax.com>
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On 26 May 2006 13:25:56 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>semantics- and all a matter of personal verbage <snip>

No, it's a matter of:

1.) Your ignorance of anything electronic.
2.) Your personality disorider which causes you to act as the "POSEUR"
all the time to try to get acceptance.
3.) Your low IQ.

Go shoot yourself.  You're what Darwin would've called "a mistake."


Article: 334960 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:12:10 -0700
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On 26 May 2006 09:28:08 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>
>Peter Wieck wrote:
> Specifications certainly matter, the range
>> of which has to do with the application. In tone circuits, I typically
>> try for 5% or less... with modern caps, 2% or less usually is no
>> difficulty. But I have a proper cap checker and I know how to use it.
>
>> Peter Wieck
>> Wyncote, PA
>
>
>ps- and that didn't seem to help you, with the Akai M8 schematic, now
>did it... <snip>

Another non-sequitur post from Noodles.  If he loses an argument, he
simply flip-flops the subject to reflect badly upon the other person
in some other way, the favorite mechanation of the paranoid delusional
right wing 'tard, which Charlie Nudo surely is.

Hey Noodles!  Your butt buddy in Washington sure looked bad saying
that all his "Bring it on" and "Wanted: dead or alive" bullshit was a
"mistake!"  He still hasn't reconciled to the "Mission: Accomplished"
fiasco.


Article: 334961 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:13:32 -0700
Message-ID: <msgf7293h3dmk5aopep9b3vgbac2asjiud@4ax.com>
References: <1148387094.307140.47350@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2305061527230001@216-80-74-244.d.enteract.com>   <1148469742.590632.88770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2405062133030001@216-80-74-101.d.enteract.com> <1148556439.367103.236460@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jfLdg.5606$921.4398@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Fri, 26 May 2006 22:25:19 GMT, robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>It's the leakage current doing that.  It's confusing the meter.  But the 
>confusion differs from one scale to the next, and thus you can use that 
>inconsistency to determine that the cap under test needs to be replaced. <snip>

WAY over his puny little head.  He thinks that $50 shitbox "cap
wizard" he bought is a lab instrument.

Hey Noodles!  Want to buy an H-P Universal Bridge to find out what's
REALLY going on with those caps?  Only $1000...your price.  I have
two!


Article: 334962 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: THE HIGH COST OF SHIPPING.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:22:59 -0700
Message-ID: <v0hf72ps3qaii2488qauoltadkrnm2tu5u@4ax.com>
References: <18948-44747902-44@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <LNOdnbOdGtyWmujZRVn-hg@comcast.com> <fT8dg.6053$oa3.5866@trnddc08> <jp9dg.102598$yN.1593044@weber.videotron.net> <NrydnekwA-J_t-jZRVn-uA@comcast.com> <lmfa72tqdj119autdatcarj7j9oonrj918@4ax.com> <equdnaisMYmR4uvZRVn-qg@comcast.com>

On Fri, 26 May 2006 00:14:34 -0400, Tom Adkins
<newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote:

>DeserTBoB wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 May 2006 20:56:25 -0700, "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>.. a carbureted Ford 390 .... it would be cheaper to send it
>>>  Priority Mail!!! <snip>
>> 
>> 
>> They weren't all that bad, but not all that good.  Best I got from a
>> 4V 390 on the road was 20 in a '68 Galaxie XL with a T-10 4 speed. The
>> one in my '66 Landau got 18, tops.  Compare that, however, to my 1950
>> Ford Custom Fordor with a 239 flathead...16 tops and only 110 HP. With
>> overdrive, it MIGHT get 18.  Those flatties were nothing if not
>> inefficient!
>21.5 with a VERY light foot in a 68 XL\GT 428 2x4 4 speed. Between Cleveland and 
>Portsmouth, Ohio on I-71 and US23. Before and after that all bets were off, closer to 10. <snip>

For a dual quad setup, that's astoundingly good, especially on a 428.

Best mileages ever from "big US cars:"  26 MPG on a '70 Olds 88, Olds
350 2 bbl, 2.56 "C" rear end, Indio, CA to Tucson, AZ, 65 MPH.  A slug
for power, but an economy champ.  Better:  '86 Chrysler Fifth Avenue,
318 2bbl, Barstow CA to Laughlin NV, cruise set at 60:  30 MPG.  Top
HP:  120.  Interestingly, the carbureted Chrysler could match my later
'92 Cad SDV, same route, same speed, and the Cad had MPFE and FWD.
But, if you mashed down on the Cad, you got 300 BHP.

My XL 390 would usually give around 12 around town, around 19 on the
road, tops.  The 20 I got was the best it ever turned in, and that was
after judicious tuning and addition of B-W cruise control.  It was
still a great car, though...for the times.  Now?  A boatanchor.


Article: 334963 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: THE HIGH COST OF SHIPPING.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:23:54 -0700
Message-ID: <rhhf7211kh89od5vausejb24etc535tctj@4ax.com>
References: <equdnaisMYmR4uvZRVn-qg@comcast.com> <17757-447682A6-268@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>

On Thu, 25 May 2006 23:23:02 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>That married Irish woman in England asked me if I would snail mail some
>Maybelline products to her.She said there are some Maybelline products
>available at stores (such as Walgreen's,there are seven Walgreen's
>stores in my area,one of them is a mile and a half behind Blueberry
>doggys couch) in America that are not available in England.I asked her
>what kind of Maybelline products does she want? 
>
>I would be happy to buy them and snail mail them to her.I used to buy
>Revlon products and Salem cigarettes at a PX store in Saigon in 1964 for
>my Vietnamese girlfriends.So,what's the difference?
>cuhulin <snip>

Huh?  Did anyone else follow this segue?


Article: 334964 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:37:53 -0700
Message-ID: <tkhf72lutquks300993kijftavh8ks55ui@4ax.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <hPCdg.12074$qn2.7645@trnddc04>

On Fri, 26 May 2006 12:49:17 GMT, "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
wrote:

>The Eico 147 is a wonderful little tracer.  It also has a current measuring 
>tool, kinda hokey but it's better than nothing.  The only thing I don't like 
>about it is the fact that it uses tubes.  I'm certainly not going to listen 
>to it buzz and crackle all day, so it's only on when I actually use it.  But 
>then when I'm ready, I have to sit and wait for it to warm up.  The one I'm 
>using now is a later model Eico that's solid state.  Of course these are 
>easy to build too (just take a spare portable radio and fasten a probe to 
>the volume control), but it's really just as easy to locate a good used one 
>at a surplus store or swap meet. <snip>

I prefer using a scope to look at the envelope for level, if it's
already lit up and the probe's in front of me, else I grab the ol'
147.  Some guys used to like to have a 410B, so they could look at
levels, but...with that, just WTF are you really seeing?  With a 147,
you know by the garbled output that it's either real or an oscillation
or whatever.  Back in the day of the 147 and others, average repairmen
or hams didn't have access to 100 MHz scopes....they just didn't
exist!  Lucky the guy who had a 545 Tek with all the plug-ins and that
was good for what...40 megs?  I can't remember.  In any case, having
that big ol' boatanchor cluttering up your work station (I had the RM
version, so it was in the rack in front of me) was pretty daunting.
However, if the scope was already heated up (usually was in winter),
I'd just grab the probe and go to work back tracing as you
outlined...the classic shooting procedure...go output backward.  If
the scope wasn't on, I'd use a 147.  End result?  The same, and the
147 didn't gobble up power!

Now that a lot of 460-series scopes are out there on the cheap, it's
easy for the average Joe to have a 100 MHz scope to poke into the FM
RF stage and look at levels, etc.  But you are correct...the old
tracers sped up the job, and the result of "go/no-go" testing with one
fix about 95% of cases of trouble.  For most radio troubles, a sig
tracer's the most cost effective way to go, and it shoots trouble on
stuff like this as well as an H-P 410B or scope.  If you're tweaking
an RF stage for better senstivity with parts swapouts and the like,
having a scope or RF VTVM would be better, of course.


Article: 334965 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:44:51 -0700
Message-ID: <poif729j0ejo0h2kanq0j2fum91psfqb0t@4ax.com>
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On 26 May 2006 13:49:06 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>big deal- my grandfather fought in the trenches of France as a
>artilleryman, and was decorated during WWI, he was mustard gassed by
>the Germans- my 2 uncles fought in WWII, Atlantic and Pacific theaters.
> One had his destroyer kamikazed oiut from under him, and ended up
>floating in the Pacific on a life vest- he's deaf in one ear to this
>day from it.  The other drove landing craft.  My dad and other 2 uncles
>were Korea and Nam vets. One fought in Korea, then later volunteered
>for 2 tours of duty in Nam.  My cousin flew jets in Desert Storm, and
>bombed Bagdad. My other cousin served in Iraqi Freedom. Therefore,  I
>am not impressed with anyone's peacetime military service.  That's
>basically collecting a check for doing nothing.  <snip>

Just what you do on a daily basis, eh, Noodles?

You never served.  You're a coward.


Article: 334966 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:56:45 -0700
Message-ID: <msif729im2fl21ff3cifrars7i6rg169sc@4ax.com>
References: <4475D385.1900BF0E@earthlink.net> <sdmb72lhb0gmvv2jsvcif2m2foits6k0t9@4ax.com> <wqidnZ-N14oYoOvZ4p2dnA@bright.net> <oNNdg.77529$IZ2.20065@dukeread07>

On Fri, 26 May 2006 21:18:03 -0400, "Pete Bertini"
<radioconnection@cox.net> wrote:

> > DeserTBoB wrote:
> >> There are a few other ass warts in here as well, like the pandering
>>> Byrns and that Moustache Pete/Uncle Ginzo character who can't seem to
>>> figure the RMS power of a sine wave.
>
>Stupid ass. 0.707 times the peak for RMS of a SINE WAVE. <snip>

Wrong...the RMS power of a 1 V P-P sine across 124 ohms is 1
milliwatt.  You threw me for a loop with the most common trap in
calculating RMS power from voltage...the ol' .707 figure.  We're
talking POWER, dummy.  Your math is wrong, I was right.  You
lose...again.

> What the
>fuck does that have to do with complex waveforms--like video? <snip>

Amplitude.  1 V P-P is the same P-P amplitude as 140 IRE.  Bell Labs
figured that since, at the time, a sine generator was the only test
gear available to sent a lineup signal and A scope were simply not
common or usually available, use of a thermocouple power meter, like a
70B, was the preferred way to go.  If the video trunk could handle a 1
V P-P sine all through the video bandwidth, it could be reasonably
concluded that the trunk and A3A were in good shape.  Once Tek SS
generators and A scopes became common, they were used instead,
although "toning out" a trunk was still the lineup procedure of choice
for routines.

> Go
>climb back into your bottle and go into a stupor for the weekend. <snip>

I do not drink..at all...period.  Next?

>Too bad usenet is the only outlet for your sad, lonely and pathetic
>existence. Pissant. <snip>

Self-description is good for you.


Article: 334967 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:01:41 -0700
Message-ID: <kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com>
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 20:24:21 +0000 (UTC), Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
wrote:

>   And to underline all this: no way do I think broadcast analog is
>going anywhere within the next decade or two. <snip>

I agree.  Although Japan, Inc, is putting enormous pressure to convert
wholesale, NTSC will be around for at least 20 years.  The politicos
know there are too many good NTSC sets out there and people who refuse
to have to pay for a "stunt box" to convert (that they have to shell
out for) that any move to allow the broadcasters to dump NTSC will
raise the ire of the electorate.  NTSC will probably be gone after I'm
gone.


Article: 334968 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Brief Hiatus
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:04:23 -0700
Message-ID: <nsjf72ho9b3udmm17lppq9q21jk82uq6lm@4ax.com>
References: <1148673199.960043.23430@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 26 May 2006 12:53:20 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>My wife and I will be out stalking wild fleas in upstate PA, amongst
>other things... so, Mr. Nudo will have some peace. <snip>

While you're out an about, take a sideleg to the wondrous Butthole
Valley in NE PA and visit "Dumbs," home of Chuckie Noodles!  Take a
baseball bat or crowbar with you, as well.


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Article: 334970 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:27:10 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com>

I don't mean to offend any of you and you all are entitled to your
opinions.  However, that is not a reason for frequenting this newsgroup. 
I would like to take advantage of the vast experience that you all have
repairing and restoring radios, tvs, and phonographs.  I think the group
would be better served by keeping personal opinions of others to
yourselves or communicating them in private emails. These personal emails
are a real turnoff to any newcomer I suspect. 

There.  I have it off my chest.  Thanks for listening.

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Article: 334971 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:35:31 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.27.04.35.31.733417@yahoo.com>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com> <1148704340.478417.92140@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On Fri, 26 May 2006 21:32:20 -0700, Steven wrote:

> Have you ever read this newsgroup in five years?
> 
> Respectfully, as I know I have...
> 
> it's a poor trick question.
Yes, I have.  I know that there has always been some of the personal
stuff, but I honestly don't remember the amount of it that I've been
seeing recently.  One easy solution is to plonk the authors, but I also
know that I would miss some useful posts if I did that.

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Article: 334972 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:41:16 -0500
Message-ID: <18356-4477D86C-247@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>
References: <poif729j0ejo0h2kanq0j2fum91psfqb0t@4ax.com>

Sergeant York movie is on tv now.(a great old movie) What is the name of
that song the postman guy was singing when he was riding that mule? I
need to find the lyrics to that song so I can learn it.
cuhulin



Article: 334973 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:51:24 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.27.04.51.24.168880@yahoo.com>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com> <1148704340.478417.92140@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <pan.2006.05.27.04.35.31.733417@yahoo.com> <1148705280.198485.300750@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On Fri, 26 May 2006 21:48:00 -0700, Steven wrote:

> We have decided that plonking is futile. Several of us have tried to
> dissuade two parties from a flame war, none of us worked together, and
> many of us became disillusioned, bitter or seem to have lost faith. Is it
> worse than some others? NO. But it just sits there festering.
> 
> Is that what you've noticed?
Definitely.  I can only conclude that the offenders crave the attention
even if it is negative.  It's just disappointing to have to see all that
stuff in addition to the inevitable spam that all news groups are
suffering from as well.


*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***


Article: 334974 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "N. Morrow" <nomail@none.com>
References: <udOdncwazv5Vt-rZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
Subject: Re: 500 radio auction in Anaheim
Message-ID: <G2Rdg.86438$H71.55547@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 05:01:26 GMT

> "Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> wrote:
> Did anyone else get a notice about this?
>
>
http://www.international-auction-gallery.com/calendarprev/clickhereforauctio
npreview.html
>
> Too far away for me. If it were closer, I'd go just to see what things
sell
> for.
>
> Lots of ho-hum stuff, but I see a few interesting things mixed in there.
> Nothing looks restored. If they sell things in lots, as mentioned,
somebody
> could go home with some bargains.
>
> Phil Nelson

Interested in getting some opinions here. Not being an experienced
collector, the comment 'Lots of ho-hum stuff' gets me to thinking about the
person who collected all of this. Is there some point where collecting
crosses the line into obsessive hoarding? And in the end, where does it all
get you? Some executor of an estate trying to squeeze every nickel out of
it. Oh well, I'm rambling. Maybe I'm upset because I'm about 90 minutes away
... but no time .. and no money.

-Nick





Article: 334975 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:13:05 -0500
Message-ID: <18356-4477DFE1-258@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>
References: <tkhf72lutquks300993kijftavh8ks55ui@4ax.com>

I have one or two old Signal Generators.What are they used for as
regards radios? I bought them at a Goodwill store many years ago.I have
no idea if they work or not.
cuhulin



Article: 334976 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: 500 radio auction in Anaheim
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:27:28 -0600
Message-ID: <19938-4477E340-67@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <G2Rdg.86438$H71.55547@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>

I see lots of real nice radios there . I would go if i had a truck big
enough .

Isn`t that area radio poor ? things should go high . 



Article: 334977 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:44:20 -0600
Message-ID: <19937-4477E734-266@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.35.31.733417@yahoo.com>

I hate to see this too . Several of us have tried everything possible to
fix the problem but nothing will work . Some people cant control
themselves .

There are other radio forums that have better control .    



Article: 334978 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: A Question
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:00:32 -0600
Message-ID: <19937-4477EB00-269@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <127fc734h504t5a@corp.supernews.com>

This has noting to do with old equipment . What makes you post this type
stuff ? You seem to know how to restore things well and correct peoples
mistakes regularly so why do you post this knowing it will create
hundreds of worthless responses .   

Stop or get out . 

You know better ?? post only vintage equipment related things here and
nothing but vintage equipment things here .  



Article: 334979 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:03:17 -0700
Message-ID: <isqf72pu57hr49fm9s7pokqr39cq5pvu9o@4ax.com>
References: <tkhf72lutquks300993kijftavh8ks55ui@4ax.com> <18356-4477DFE1-258@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>

On Sat, 27 May 2006 00:13:05 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>I have one or two old Signal Generators.What are they used for as
>regards radios? I bought them at a Goodwill store many years ago.I have
>no idea if they work or not. <snip>

You're dangerous.


Article: 334980 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:05:25 -0700
Message-ID: <b0rf72pe7a8klil7e8a07rpo6dfudif6i8@4ax.com>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com> <1148704340.478417.92140@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <pan.2006.05.27.04.35.31.733417@yahoo.com> <1148705280.198485.300750@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <pan.2006.05.27.04.51.24.168880@yahoo.com>

On Fri, 26 May 2006 21:51:24 -0700, "Gerald D. Pine"
<gdpine@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 May 2006 21:48:00 -0700, Steven wrote:
>
>> We have decided that plonking is futile. Several of us have tried to
>> dissuade two parties from a flame war, none of us worked together, and
>> many of us became disillusioned, bitter or seem to have lost faith. Is it
>> worse than some others? NO. But it just sits there festering.
>> 
>> Is that what you've noticed?
>Definitely.  I can only conclude that the offenders crave the attention
>even if it is negative.  It's just disappointing to have to see all that
>stuff in addition to the inevitable spam that all news groups are
>suffering from as well. <snip>

Please do not feed the troll.  Quoting him defeats my kill filter.


Article: 334981 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: mark@NOSPAMmarktitterington.com (Mark T)
Subject: Need photo of GE J805 Console
Message-ID: <4477f392.1326704099@news.east.cox.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 06:39:46 GMT

I have found two sources of knobs for this radio. Now I'm trying to
determine exactly what are the *correct* knobs. Size? Pointer/No
Pointer? Dark or Medium brown? I can probably determine that is I had
a good picture of one with the original knobs. Can anyone help me out
here? If you can, email me direct at: MARK at RITRADINGCO dot COM

Thanks
Mark in RI [RIMARK]


Article: 334982 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: NOS HALLICRAFTERS 1L6 TUBES FOR ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC
References: <1148594584.308472.100560@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <YZKdnX0qZ9GN9evZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@comcast.com>   <44765f2f$0$24300$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>   <447666b1$0$24252$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <1148641155.564236.152910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <xHSdg.49440$QU3.11673@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 01:54:08 -0500

Peter Wieck wrote:
> Or. Rational Collectors with open eyes will find the occasional box of
> five 1U6s at locations such as Kutztown for $10 each. I happened to get
> the box that was left over at the end of the meet. The Club table keeps
> a Hickok 539B (my unit, as it happens) for those who wish to test
> potential 'high end' tube purchases. We tested three (3) 1L6s last go,
> prices ran up to, but not above $20. They all tested just fine, BTW.
> 
Good deal....
> But the 1U6 purchase led me to the thread a few days back on their
> utility as a drop-in replacement (with resistor) for the 1L6.
> 
> The G503 that I found recently at a roadside garage sale came in at
> about that, with a 1L6 that happened to have a radio attached to it.
> 
that's the point, completely beat TO's show up for much less than this 
guy wants for his 'one' tube.

> Halli used the 1L6 primarily in their TW-XXXX series clones, and so
> would have purchased a some stock of them from Sylvania. I do not know
> if Sylvania was their primary OEM supplier (it was to Zenith & Crosley,
> for example), but of the major makers, only Philco, RCA and Sylvania
> made both their radios and the tubes that went into them. I would be
> fascinated to know the history of this lot of tubes.
> 
I, too, would be interested; but I think we've already put the OP off 
with derogatory (however deserved or not) comments.

> As to the Military purchasing 1L6s other than directly from Sylvania,
> that is dubious. What is entirely possible is that Sylvania shipped a
> lot of Halli-branded tubes to the Military based on a canceled order
> from Halli, or even a simple mix-up on the shipping dock. THAT is what
> interests me about this.
> 
That's a reasonable hypothesis...probably will never know.

> One more speculation: Betcha if all of us (and I _am_ an offender here)
> were to count up our hoarded 1L6s and drop them on the market
> all-at-once, there would be a pretty severe price drop. I expect I have
> 15 or so, including those in actual use, as well as six 1U6s and one
> 1AC6, and half-a-dozen DK92s. Many millions were made of all four
> types. 

I only have three, one for each of my TO knockoffs.  BT's conversion 
won't work for any of those; although someday I might breadboard a 
solid-state replacement.  In the meantime, I reserve the 1L6's for my 
daily driver 7-BX-10 Strato' and keep an 1R5 in the other two.
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 
> 



Article: 334983 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 18:40:28 +0900
Message-ID: <e596ni$ftl$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02> <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02> <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com> <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com> <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com> <slrne7fejp.bqe.rogblake10@moog.netaxs.com>


"Roger Blake" <rogblake10@iname10.com> wrote in message 
news:slrne7fejp.bqe.rogblake10@moog.netaxs.com...
> In article <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>, Tim Mullen wrote:
>> In <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Steven" 
>> <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> writes:
>>    NTSC sooooo needs to go away.
>
> No it does not. It has served well for over 50 years, and would have
> continued to do so but for the corrupt FCC bureaucrats.
>
>>    Decoders for legacy sets will be available dirt cheap.
>
> I have no interest in purchasing "decoders," dirt cheap or not.
> As far as I am concerned, broadcast television ceases to exist
> when analog broadcasts stop.
>
>> you'll need for an NTSC set is a convertor box feeding a modulator
>> (aka a dead VCR) and Bob's your uncle.
>
> Not acceptable.
>
> -- 
>  Roger Blake

Amen... I hate my uncle Bob.  DTV doesn't interest me in the least.. I've 
seen 740i or whatever it is (I can't recall at the moment) and to my 
critical eye it doesn't look as clean as analog (which, by the way, rarely 
presents as 525 lines on your home television, it's closer to 300-320 on the 
better ones).  And convertors will never look as good as the original analog 
signal, either, because you can't possibly convert in real time without some 
loss (ask anyone who makes recordings off television on their computer, or 
even a home DVD recorder). You can approximate a good looking picture if you 
have a good codec, but it will never have the resolution of the original 
signal.

And... my favorite bugaboo... you can't hook your portable you take 
camping/to the beach/on the road to a set top converter.  And there don't 
seem to even be plans for those type sets in the works yet for DTV because 
the signal processors eat batteries like crazy.





Article: 334984 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Message-ID: <QEVdg.288$%C6.35@trnddc08>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:15:12 GMT

When somebody makes a personal attack on someone else, it says more about 
that particular person than it does about his target.

I hate to say it, but a constant bickering between two people has a way of 
attracting attention to both.  So while they're continually putting each 
other down, they're helping each other out -- which is ironic, because both 
have attitude problems, made apparent by their posts.

This newsgroup is wide open.  There are no moderators, there is no way of 
kicking anybody out, so anybody has the ability to post messages here --  
just like on any street corner.  In spite of the spam, trolls, bickering, 
and other nonsense, I still think this newsgroup has its merit in that 
anybody -- from retired technician to a very green inheritance recipient, 
can ask questions about old radios or related equipment.

Is this newsgroup idea becoming outdated?  Maybe.  If it is, the biggest 
reason is because the majority of the general population isn't even aware 
that newsgroups exist at all.  For every person that gets through with a 
question on what to do with an old radio he found in the atic, there are at 
least 100 others with the same question that don't know where to ask.  An 
easy-to-spot website with a moderated message area can be wonderful, if in 
some way it can attract -- and allow posts from -- new people with these 
types of questions.  Then if the message area becomes abused, the sources of 
the abuse can be kicked off.  But this will take the efforts of someone with 
a lot of extra time, as the biggest abusers have a way of continually coming 
back with 10,000 different identities.  In other words they are professional 
abusers.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com



"Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com...
>I don't mean to offend any of you and you all are entitled to your
> opinions.  However, that is not a reason for frequenting this newsgroup.
> I would like to take advantage of the vast experience that you all have
> repairing and restoring radios, tvs, and phonographs.  I think the group
> would be better served by keeping personal opinions of others to
> yourselves or communicating them in private emails. These personal emails
> are a real turnoff to any newcomer I suspect.
>
> There.  I have it off my chest.  Thanks for listening.
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** 




Article: 334985 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
References: <1kvc72lmbh0pr37o4u1t4jb8if9b37ib3k@4ax.com> <17757-44768D3C-273@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> <X5Ldg.8170$y4.1818@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <WGXdg.162$3B.113@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 12:33:58 GMT

Hey Mark, I got a kick out of hearing about the Hop Bottom action. I was 
there a few years ago and bought a PortoBarRadio there. My wife is from 
Montrose, PA and we go down often to visit. You are right about getting 
out in the country if you want to find bargains.


Mark S wrote:
> <cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message 
> news:17757-44768D3C-273@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net...
>> I dont like auctions.I like to buy things at lowwww lowwww
>> prices.Auctions just dont make any sense to me at all where people are
>> driving the prices up highhhh highhhh highhhh.
>> Tain't worth it,MaGee.
>> cuhulin
>>
> 
> Depends on where. I scored a beautiful 811K at a firehouse auction in Hop 
> Bottom PA. Hop Bottom is rural PA town if you couldn't guess. $25 I think? 
> Yikes, some caps, an antenna coil, and a little Howard's Feed n' Wax and 
> boy, what a radio. That was in 2003 I think, the buyers have become a little 
> more knowledgable since. Only problem is that I usually go with my wife and 
> end up dragging who knows what back home...."another set of chairs? Where 
> are those things gonna go"? *sigh* Maybe tain't worth it,  MaGee.
> MarkS 
> 
> 


Article: 334986 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44784f99$0$31654$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com>   <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02>   <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com>   <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02>   <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com>   <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com>   <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>   <slrne7fejp.bqe.rogblake10@moog.netaxs.com> <1148699238.991832.208240@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: 27 May 2006 13:09:45 GMT

System A had 405 lines. Most wide-screen transmissions in Europe nowadays 
don't have any more visible lines than the old system A. By far the 
superior system was the French system E, having 819 lines and 14MHz 
channel width (11.15MHz between the video carrier and the audio carrier). 
Unfortunately this was a short lived system, I think it was abandoned even 
before the transition to colour TV. Had it not been abandoned, we could 
have named it "Analogue HDTV".

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 334987 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Message-ID: <2aog72h2gkng9qp1otcdpplhm3mnsgspss@4ax.com>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com> <1148732830.556520.323430@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:36:45 -0400

On 27 May 2006 05:27:10 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>explanation- DeserTBob interfered with auctions on Ebay, got banned
>from Ebay, and followed me over here to vent about it
>
>Peter Wieck thought a single ended amp was push pull, got exposed on
>this group for it, and also has been livid with revenge ever since
>
>and that attitude has spread to others on the group
>
>but overall, this group has exhibited that tendency for a long time
>before this- they attack any for sale/for auction ads for actual
>radios- they don't contribute to repair tech threads, and attack the
>posters instead, but threads like this seem to be what they prefer
>
>I'd have fun moderating this site.  Wieck and DeserTBob would be
>banned- permanently- as well as Steven and Terrell


I for one appeciate what your relatives did for this country, but you
showed your lack of knowledge about the military in one statement. Why
should anyone believe you about other topics? I've spent the last 26
years as a guardsman. I'm not talking about working just on weekends
either. I'm talking about doing it day in and day out. I can also tell
you that I've spent probably as much time in the desert as Peter
Wieck. Those 14 hour days and 7 day work weeks get old quick. As a
matter of fact, while you were opening your Barbie dolls at Christmas
last year I was working on the flightline in some foreign country to
help a bunch of folks that probably want to do away with Christmas
anyway. I don't know why I'm complaining! I'm just a reservist! I
don't do anything anyway.
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
prove it. 


*Used with express written permission of its creator.


Article: 334988 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: To whom it may concern, regarding my military service.
Message-ID: <02pg7290g1qvbt7kcdh3gds5c9am1it2ot@4ax.com>
References: <4475D385.1900BF0E@earthlink.net> <1148676546.396353.29560@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <a0re721ngcq91r0kt1ataki5l612orp7lr@4ax.com> <4477C85C.C3077145@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:47:45 -0400

Mike,

I think that you are wasting energy. Caine will never understand that
every individual soldier, sailor, airman and marine make the military
work. I could brag about my dad during Korea, my father in law at the
Battle of the Bulge or my brother in the Army. Every American family
has their heros and they should be proud of them. It's funny how Caine
can brag about someone else's accomplishments but not his own. I guess
Caine has not had any to speak of. He is the expert rifleman though.
He ought to put that trait to good use and sign up. Unfortunately for
him, some soldier would probably stick his gun up his butt for him
after he got through beating him in the forehead with it for running
his smart mouth. 

Tracy








On Sat, 27 May 2006 04:17:01 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Beerbarrel wrote:
>> 
>> On 26 May 2006 13:49:06 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >big deal- my grandfather fought in the trenches of France as a
>> >artilleryman, and was decorated during WWI, he was mustard gassed by
>> >the Germans- my 2 uncles fought in WWII, Atlantic and Pacific theaters.
>> > One had his destroyer kamikazed oiut from under him, and ended up
>> >floating in the Pacific on a life vest- he's deaf in one ear to this
>> >day from it.  The other drove landing craft.  My dad and other 2 uncles
>> >were Korea and Nam vets. One fought in Korea, then later volunteered
>> >for 2 tours of duty in Nam.  My cousin flew jets in Desert Storm, and
>> >bombed Bagdad. My other cousin served in Iraqi Freedom. Therefore,  I
>> >am not impressed with anyone's peacetime military service.  That's
>> >basically collecting a check for doing nothing.   No different than the
>> >national guard or reserves.  I can shoot a rifle better than any
>> >peacetime soldier I know, what's that say ?  nuff said.
>> 
>> Says you are one of the stupiest fucks on this planet is what it says!
>> __________________________________________________________
>> 
>> KE4ODD
>> 
>> Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
>> prove it.
>> 
>> *Used with express written permission of its creator.
>
>
>
>   GEEZE! He's still around?
>
>   You're right, Tracy.  Where does he think they find soldiers and
>sailors when a war starts?  Who maintains the equipment and facilities
>to make sure we are ready to protect ourselves, and our allies?  What it
>tells me is that he wasn't man enough to even attempt to serve, so he
>has to condemn others who did.  Also, 1972-194 wasn't peacetime in
>Vietnam, so I did serve during an "undeclared" war.  The bases i worked
>at trained helicopter pilots in Alabama, and then a year at the US army
>cold weather test site where we did real life environmental testing on
>all types of military gear, weapons, equipment, and even survival gear. 
>He would have died during survival training and no one would have cared,
>till his body was found when the ice melted the next summer.  Of course,
>it would have been cleaned up with the front end loaded and dump truck
>that followed the annual buffalo migration through the base.
>
>   As far as what's its face shooting a rifle, its a lot harder to hit a
>target with a rifle than a big mouth.  I was better than my instructor
>with the beat up M16 I had in basic. It was sent back from Vietnam to be
>repaired, but I still hit every target after a couple test shots.  They
>shipped them new weapons and were supposed to repair these before our
>cycle started, but the schedule was moved up two weeks and there was no
>time for the armory to make the repairs.  Most of the The rifling was
>gone and it curved every shot to the right and up about five degrees. 
>Hell, because of that, I consistently took down the 25 and 75 meter
>targets with a single shot.  Try handling a machine gun, grenades, or
>antitank weapons, you shilling moron.

__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
prove it. 


*Used with express written permission of its creator.


Article: 334989 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS...........
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:58:26 -0500
Message-ID: <15671-44786912-183@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
References: <r3Ydg.8410$y4.5695@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>

Nice looking Victor - Victrola,I believe it is worth the money.I own a
wooden cabinet floor model wind up phonograph and the cabinet was made
by a furniture company in Louisiana.A guy by the name of Thomas Burnside
(he advertises things for sale in Antique Radio Classified
www.antiqueradio.com  ) who lives one mile West of me said he thinks one
of the springs in the motor (I think he once told me the motor has two
springs in it) either needs to be repaired or replaced.

I think the phonograph dates back to the 1940's.Nothing fancy about the
cabinet though,it is just a plain jane cabinet.The phonograph's speaker
is built into the bottom of the cabinet.I bought it for $35.00 at a
thrift store.I dont remember what the brand name of the cabinet is,there
is a little brass plate inside the cabinet with the company name and
address on the plate,Baton Rouge,I believe it is.Someday I will clear
enough of my junk away from it so I can take another look at it.

I own two more wind up phonographs too.One of them is a childs
phonograph,it is in good condition and it does work ok.The other one is
a wooden cabinet table top phonograph.It is missing some parts,the motor
and lower box part of the cabinet is there,the top part of the cabinet
is missing and so is the top lid that folds down.A retired Fireman guy
was interested in buying it from me.He knows where he can buy parts and
fix it up.I think I can find parts on the internet and fix it up myself.
cuhulin



Article: 334990 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 07:55:20 -0700
Message-ID: <62qg72lisdr4h8lunjfj1fi40iomotpkis@4ax.com>
References: <1148645019.544991.197950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148645832.577404.258620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148653361.190982.88990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148660593.060862.326040@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148667214.877057.218100@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148675156.017057.218920@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <%oLdg.5612$921.4136@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1148727546.854829.300480@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 27 May 2006 03:59:06 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>If you went from 39K to 60K, you got a 21K raise
>
>21/39= your pay rate increase in percentage
>
>60/39= what your new pay rate is, compared to your old pay rate, in
>percentage
>
>I was rating the caps total value per the second method, they were
>twice what they should be, 200%
>
>it's semantics <snip>

No, it's not...it's stupidity on your part...as usual.


Article: 334991 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:05:11 -0700
Message-ID: <j9qg72djm84pitus7lprtrid5fji4s1u0q@4ax.com>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com> <1148732830.556520.323430@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <2aog72h2gkng9qp1otcdpplhm3mnsgspss@4ax.com>

On Sat, 27 May 2006 10:36:45 -0400, Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
wrote:

>I can also tell
>you that I've spent probably as much time in the desert as Peter
>Wieck. <snip>

Oh no...sounds too much like....

....CAMP WILSON!!!!!!!!!  AUUUUUGH!


Article: 334992 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: ken scharf <wa2mzeNOSPAMBOTS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: TO info requested
Message-ID: <Po_dg.59597$MM6.15454@bignews3.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 11:39:48 -0400

I just saw this TO listed on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ZENITH-8G005YT-TRANSOCEANIC-TUBE-RADIO_W0QQitemZ6631970156QQcategoryZ38035QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I bet the one tube that lights up is the 117z4 rectifier tube (you can't
see if the others light anyway unless the room is very dark).  It looks
like it is missing the wave magnet though.  Wonder how bad this one
would be to fix.  Someone also replaced the power cord with a three wire
type.

If I ever go after a tube type TO I think this is the model I'd look for 
(I like Loktal tubes).


Article: 334993 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <JFudg.2842$vs5.632@newsfe23.lga> <44768CF9.D3FA1044@earthlink.net> <opFdg.3584$I_7.1908@newsfe21.lga> <44772FD6.C53A4212@earthlink.net> <PlOdg.3587$I_7.977@newsfe21.lga> <4477C32E.F7E2BB6F@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Stark VTVM info
Message-ID: <vB_dg.30371$fu.20540@newsfe15.lga>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:54:43 -0500


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4477C32E.F7E2BB6F@earthlink.net...
> Nelson Gietz wrote:
> >
> > "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:44772FD6.C53A4212@earthlink.net...
> > >
> > >    Most of the service shop type VTVMs I've seen had three calibration
> > > pots:
> > >
> > > 1: DC   calibration. Set this one first.
> > > 1: AC   calibration. Set this one next.
> > > 3: Ohms calibration. Set this one last.
> > >
> > Thanks, Michael.
> > With this info and maybe extrapolating from my 410B instructions, I'll
> > get 'er lined up.
> > Nelson
>
>
>    BAMA has a number of different VTVM schematics and a lot of them look
> like they were copied from an old RCA tube manual.
>
Thanks again!
    I'll go a-hunting there.  Have one in a tube manual here, as well.
Nelson




Article: 334994 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Shawn K <r-520@REMOVETHISshaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith Trans-Ocenic 8G005 - Surge resistor R18 runs hots
References: <1148743424.881172.219120@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Oc%dg.195693$7a.70027@pd7tw1no>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:34:54 GMT

I haven't started restoring my 8G005 yet, but I did look under the 
chassis. I am going to have to replace most of the wiring, because the 
old rubber insulation is flaking off in many places. Check your wiring, 
maybe you have a short somewhere there.

ea3qp wrote:
> Hello list,
> i'm a new member and I'd like to ask to the TO Oracle to try to fix
> tihs problem.
> 
> I'm triying to repair a Trans-oceanic model 8G005, the surge resistor
> (R18 in the schematics) it runs  very hot (with only 50v input) so my
> guess is the it's a short. I've changed all the electrolitic capacitors
> and also the capacitors connected to chasis as C13 (2 capacitor with
> the same name) but the problems persist and don't arrive power to the
> tubes (for exemple i'm reading 0 volts after R19 and also 0 volts in
> the tubes.
> 
> Anybody can give some ligth on that?.
> 
> For sure will be appreciate your help.  
> 
> Regards 
> 
> Eugeni - ea3qp
> 


-- 

Shawn K
www.thisoldradio.com


Article: 334995 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Trying to identify ca. 1968 - 1969  all-band portable
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 11:37:23 -0700
Message-ID: <v17h72ps6k5fcosaqe17qi53b80q7kmffn@4ax.com>
References: <EQ%dg.8491$y4.5032@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Sat, 27 May 2006 17:17:24 GMT, Northe Osbrink
<northe@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Does anyone have any idea what this radio might be (I'm trying to find 
>an image, if possible). It's an AM-FM-SW transistor portable with 
>sliderule dial. Not Sony, possibly Sharp or National-Panasonic. 
>Distinguishing feature is a "tuning meter," that does use a meter 
>movement, but shows signal strength in terms of red vs. green illumination.
>
>I purchased one of these radios in the 1968 - 1969 time frame from the 
>exchange while in the Army in Viet Nam. <snip>

I remember those over there, but never saw them sold stateside.  I
seem to recall they were Matsushita.


Article: 334996 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim DeClercq <jimd@panix1.panix.com>
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 18:55:38 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e5a7b9$1bn$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <1147480090.222846.96640@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <9PGdnWPyNJpR1fjZRVn-qg@comcast.com> <4465570E.7C194FA0@earthlink.net> <BpydnYSGGLQV-PjZ4p2dnA@comcast.com>

Teac RC2 rubber conditioner, Profold Rubber roller cleaner and 
rejuvenator, from printer supply places, and even, carefully, automotive 
rubber seal sweller from your parts store. 

Jim DeClercq

Mark Oppat <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> writes:

: yep, thats what the first treatment smells like alright! Tub it on, rub it
: off.

: the Sears Rubber Lubricant I use second...it has an oily smell, and the you
: rub it on then rub it off... they dont tell you that on the directions but
: thats the way to use it.

: Mark Oppat


: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
: news:4465570E.7C194FA0@earthlink.net...
: > Mark Oppat wrote:
: > >
: > > none of the chemicals work if the surface is already hardened.  If it
: > > 'cracks' when you flex it, you gotta take off the bad surface, and the
: only
: > > way to do that is with precision equipment, as the idler wheels have to
: be
: > > dead perfect or you will hear the flutter.
: > >
: > > I have two treatments, I forget the first one but the second is an OLD
: can
: > > of SEARS "Rubber Lubricant" in what looks like a large 3 in 1 oil can.
: I
: > > dont know where I got it but it sure perks up old rubber for better
: > > traction.
: >
: >
: >    What does it smell like? Oil of Wintergreen is one old treatment, but
: > it has a VERY strong odor.  I tried to get some through a pharmacy and
: > ended up with a bottle of synthetic, instead of what I wanted.  It is
: > used as an external pain reliever when diluted with rubbing alcohol.
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > -- 
: > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
: > prove it.
: > Member of DAV #85.
: >
: > Michael A. Terrell
: > Central Florida
: >




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Article: 334997 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Greed, One of the Seven Deadly Sins
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:09:19 -0400
Message-ID: <127h8v5chmt1pbc@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127cr2a9v659e10@corp.supernews.com> <W_adnUy7AabWcevZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com> <127f86e1shijl3c@corp.supernews.com> <N-ednS8zy-9Zp-XZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com>

I saw him do The Carol live but didn't notice that......

"William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:N-ednS8zy-9Zp-XZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> You've been reading "A Christmas Carol", haven't you?
>>> (I think you left out "grasping" and "covetous".)
>
>> No, I know about half by heart :)
>
> This is OT, but have you heard the Patrick Stewart reading? For some 
> reason,
> he drops the line "There's more of gravy about you than the grave."
>
> 




Article: 334998 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:12:47 -0400
Message-ID: <127h95lsfg57476@corp.supernews.com>
References: <e579j9$57p$1@reader1.panix.com> <18357-44772F2C-13@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>


<cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:18357-44772F2C-13@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net...
  Why do y'all have to go so
> hog wild crazy about recapping and all of that stuff? It doesn't make
> any sense to me at all.

No old radios "work". They may make some sound for a few minutes or hours 
before belching choking smoke, but that's not WORKING.

John H.
 




Article: 334999 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
Subject: Philco 38-690 sets on eBay
Message-ID: <rB1eg.7153$3q2.3874@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 19:17:43 GMT

How many times have there been 3 of these for sale on eBay at once?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6633006804

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6632657172

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6632543771

I usually see less than 5 of these on eBay in a full year.

jim menning 




Article: 335000 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve Stone" <zzspfleck@citlink.netzz>
References: <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02>    <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com>    <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02>    <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com>    <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com>    <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>    <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com> <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com> <kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Message-ID: <lJ1eg.2295$Oh1.1679@news01.roc.ny>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 19:26:09 GMT


"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message 
news:kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 26 May 2006 20:24:21 +0000 (UTC), Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
> wrote:
>
>>   And to underline all this: no way do I think broadcast analog is
>>going anywhere within the next decade or two. <snip>
>
> I agree.  Although Japan, Inc, is putting enormous pressure to convert
> wholesale, NTSC will be around for at least 20 years.

Is this taking into consideration the hard stop date the FCC has in place to 
turn off NTSC (think it is in Feb 2009 ?)
and the bandwidth wolves breathing hot and heavy at their doors with lots of 
money looking for a slice of the 700 MHz freqs ?

I have a DirecTV H20 DBS/OTA digital receiver. A few of my friends have 
picked up OTA ATSC receivers at Radio Shack fire sales.
It takes a good signal to get a clean ATSC picture without pixelization but 
it sure beats watching analog at 60 miles out from the transmitter.
There are abuses by the broadcasters of multichannel ATSC. Who needs 8 feeds 
of "praise the lord and pass the plate" in six languages by 8 different 
"ministers" or  5 shopping feeds ? Some of my local PBS stations have done a 
nice job by splitting what they have into channels for kids, adults, and 
special events. NBC and ABC ATSC feeds now include 24 hour weather channels, 
which is great since the Weather Channel is more into reruns of disasters 
flicks these days. It does not take much to convert the output of a cheap 
eBay sourced ATSC tuner into channel 3 NTSC. usable by those collectors 
items. I know, not the same but technology marches on.. otherwise we'd all 
be listening to spark gap.

Steve
 




Article: 335001 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com> <QEVdg.288$%C6.35@trnddc08>
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Message-ID: <eK1eg.88124$sm4.420527@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:26:26 -0400

"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:QEVdg.288$%C6.35@trnddc08...
> When somebody makes a personal attack on someone else, it says more about 
> that particular person than it does about his target.
>

No wonder this ng has lost most of his best contributors in the past years.
You can't tell the difference between the good guyz and the useless.
Tip of the hat for your continuous effort...

As far as I'm concerned, Bill Meacham a.k.a eXray, has contributed
100 times what many, taken as a lump, have contributed to this ng.
(Excluding of course a few good contributors, you know who you are...)

Go ahead, scan a few schematics once in a while and call this a _valuable_
contributionand call yourself an asset to the group...

Guess we have differing views on the "definition" of  "contributor".

eXray is a Do'er, not a talker like so many here and is an extremely 
valuable asset
to a Forum or a ng. If you can't see this, well don't whine about this ng 
dying.

I don't know (well, maybe a little) the reason of eXray blowing a fuse, but 
it ain't
my business to take side, so I just shut up and let the thread die, as 
opposed
as some talkers who loooove to make the thread last indefinitely to make 
them look
"good" by telling everyone to behave....but still feed the trolls on a 
regular
basis...See what I mean ? As far as I'm concerned, you all deserve your new
"environment", plenty. I'm quite surprised it ain't worse than it is now.

Heck, even John Byrns doesn't show up anymore.

Nobody's perfect...

Of course, JMHO...

Syl 




Article: 335002 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
Message-ID: <u42eg.88720$sm4.420953@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:50:10 -0400


"Bruce Mercer" <maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net> wrote in message 
news:y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net...
> Is there any workaround that allows you to hook up a modern CD player to 
> the "Phonograph" input line for radios of the late 20's and 30's? The 
> input line was meant for the magnetic horse-shoe pickups of the day. What 
> would I need in order to do this? Thanks
> Bruce

2V output...I doubt any portable CD has enough output. You can use
an interstage transformer to boost slightly the CD output to drive the
phono input. The frequency response may slightly suffer but the radio
won't reproduce much over 5-6Khz anyway.

Syl 




Article: 335003 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Caveat Lector" <UALLBeware@9984reader.com>
Subject: E-Ham is back Up
Message-ID: <ib2eg.177785$bm6.106974@fed1read04>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 12:58:06 -0700



-- 
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !









Article: 335004 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Shawn K <r-520@REMOVETHISshaw.ca>
Subject: Re: TO info requested
References: <Po_dg.59597$MM6.15454@bignews3.bellsouth.net> <u9CdnX5S45-XNuXZ4p2dnA@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <Nc2eg.197939$WI1.83487@pd7tw2no>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 19:59:41 GMT

Actually Bill, this set uses two wave magnets, one mounted on the front 
lid, and the other is a horse-shoe unit with a three prong plug that 
plugs into the rear of the set close to the RF coils. The G500 was the 
first set to only use one wavemagnet.

One problem with this set: it used the old rubber insulated wire. It 
looks like I am going to have to rewire my entire chassis, most of the 
insulation has flaked off.

Bill Cohn wrote:
> ken scharf wrote:
>> I just saw this TO listed on ebay.
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ZENITH-8G005YT-TRANSOCEANIC-TUBE-RADIO_W0QQitemZ6631970156QQcategoryZ38035QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 
>>
>>
>> I bet the one tube that lights up is the 117z4 rectifier tube (you can't
>> see if the others light anyway unless the room is very dark).  It looks
>> like it is missing the wave magnet though.  Wonder how bad this one
>> would be to fix.  Someone also replaced the power cord with a three wire
>> type.
>>
>> If I ever go after a tube type TO I think this is the model I'd look 
>> for (I like Loktal tubes).
> 
> Ken,
> 
> The wave magnet is there. It is the black plastic thing mounted to the 
> flip up panel. This model used the rod antenna for shortwave and it did 
> not have a wave magnet for shortwave like the pre WWII model.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bill - N9MHT


-- 

Shawn K
www.thisoldradio.com


Article: 335005 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Message-ID: <km2eg.1498$%h.191@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:09:52 GMT

It becomes really easy to spot the good and bad threads here. Just ignore 
the bad ones. Nobody forces you to read every message in every thread.

Just skip any posts you aren't interested in - whole threads or topics if 
you like. Your reader should allow you to set it to filter things if you 
can't stand to see the names on a list when you come here.

There are far worse corners of the net than this. It's easily controlled 
here. I just ignore it. Besides, the only alternatives are extremely 
limiting and we really wouldn't be better off if this place became like 
them.

Ray

"Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com...
>I don't mean to offend any of you and you all are entitled to your
> opinions.  However, that is not a reason for frequenting this newsgroup.
> I would like to take advantage of the vast experience that you all have
> repairing and restoring radios, tvs, and phonographs.  I think the group
> would be better served by keeping personal opinions of others to
> yourselves or communicating them in private emails. These personal emails
> are a real turnoff to any newcomer I suspect.
>
> There.  I have it off my chest.  Thanks for listening.
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** 




Article: 335006 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net> <u42eg.88720$sm4.420953@weber.videotron.net>
Message-ID: <yo2eg.175$3B.143@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:12:14 GMT

I'm surprised a magnetic pickup could produce 2v output. Modern mag 
carts only do millivolts. Was there a preamp before the chassis?

Syl wrote:
> "Bruce Mercer" <maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net> wrote in message 
> news:y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>> Is there any workaround that allows you to hook up a modern CD player to 
>> the "Phonograph" input line for radios of the late 20's and 30's? The 
>> input line was meant for the magnetic horse-shoe pickups of the day. What 
>> would I need in order to do this? Thanks
>> Bruce
> 
> 2V output...I doubt any portable CD has enough output. You can use
> an interstage transformer to boost slightly the CD output to drive the
> phono input. The frequency response may slightly suffer but the radio
> won't reproduce much over 5-6Khz anyway.
> 
> Syl 
> 
> 


Article: 335007 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: Re: TO info requested
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 22:16:33 +0200
Message-ID: <e5ac32$87b$00$1@news.t-online.com>
References: <Po_dg.59597$MM6.15454@bignews3.bellsouth.net> <u9CdnX5S45-XNuXZ4p2dnA@comcast.com>

Bill Cohn wrote:

> ken scharf wrote:
> > I just saw this TO listed on ebay.
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ZENITH-8G005YT-TRANSOCEANIC-TUBE-RADIO_W0Q
QitemZ6631970156QQcategoryZ38035QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> >
> > I bet the one tube that lights up is the 117z4 rectifier tube (you
can't
> > see if the others light anyway unless the room is very dark).  It
looks
> > like it is missing the wave magnet though.  Wonder how bad this
one
> > would be to fix.  Someone also replaced the power cord with a
three wire
> > type.
> >
> > If I ever go after a tube type TO I think this is the model I'd
look for
> > (I like Loktal tubes).
>
> Ken,
>
> The wave magnet is there. It is the black plastic thing mounted to
the
> flip up panel. This model used the rod antenna for shortwave and it
did
> not have a wave magnet for shortwave like the pre WWII model.
>
> Regards,
>

It is missing the "short wave magnet" with it's "wavebooster"
(for 19, 25 and 31m).

Not allowed to use together with the "waverod".
(From 8G005 "Instructions and Log", Fig.6)

Kind Regards
Georg




Article: 335008 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Caveat Lector" <UALLBeware@9984reader.com>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com> <km2eg.1498$%h.191@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Message-ID: <Uy2eg.177789$bm6.6389@fed1read04>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:23:16 -0700

Because it is a free and unmoderated news group and folks do what ever the 
hell they want, regardless of the guidelines.

Ignore em totally and they usually go away. Responding only encourages em to 
return

-- 
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !




Article: 335009 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:03:24 -0500
Message-ID: <20128-4478BE9C-304@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>
References: <e5a7b9$1bn$1@reader1.panix.com>

Automotive rubber seal sweller stuff.I once read an article in an auto
magazine about that stuff.(something like Transmission Seal,or something
like that) The article said it has shellac in it.It will swell up
shrunken seals to some extent,but later on the seals will shrink even
more and the seals will leak more than before.
cuhulin  



Article: 335010 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:25:12 -0700
Message-ID: <prgh72dqp6habpsd09nle30th7qrmng5rp@4ax.com>
References: <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02>    <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com>    <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com>    <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>    <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com> <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com> <kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com> <lJ1eg.2295$Oh1.1679@news01.roc.ny>

On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:26:09 GMT, "Steve Stone"
<zzspfleck@citlink.netzz> wrote:

>
>"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message 
>news:kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 26 May 2006 20:24:21 +0000 (UTC), Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   And to underline all this: no way do I think broadcast analog is
>>>going anywhere within the next decade or two. <snip>
>>
>> I agree.  Although Japan, Inc, is putting enormous pressure to convert
>> wholesale, NTSC will be around for at least 20 years.
>
>Is this taking into consideration the hard stop date the FCC has in place to 
>turn off NTSC (think it is in Feb 2009 ?) <snip>

...which has slipped twice already, and the 2/09 date won't make it
either.  Bush Bird and the Repukes will be gone, and the money
grubbers who want to slice up the 700MHz slot may not have the pull
they now have.


Article: 335011 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Tim Mullen <tim@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:48:43 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e5ahfr$a4c$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02> <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com> <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02> <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com> <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com> <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com> <slrne7fejp.bqe.rogblake10@moog.netaxs.com> <e596ni$ftl$1@news2.kornet.net>

In <e596ni$ftl$1@news2.kornet.net> "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> writes:

>I've seen 740i or whatever it is (I can't recall at the moment)

   That might've been 720P: 1280x720 pixels at a progressive frame
rate of 59.94Hz.  The sports people love 720P because of the refresh
rate, but we rarely do it.  In fact, when a client asks for it I have
them do the laydown in 1080Psf/23.98 and make a conversion dub.  As
I've mentioned before, about 80% of our HD work is 1080Psf: 1920x1080
at a 23.976 progressive scan frame rate.  Perfect match for film,
except those shot at 30fps.  Then we go with 1080i: 1920x1080 interlace,
with a 59.94Hz field rate and a 29.97Hz frame rate.

>and to my critical eye it doesn't look as clean as analog (which, by
>the way, rarely presents as 525 lines on your home television, it's
>closer to 300-320 on the better ones).  And convertors will never
>look as good as the original analog signal, either, because you can't
>possibly convert in real time without some loss

   I think I know what you're saying when you refer to analog -- you
mean the current transmission medium.  But to pick a nit, analog
originated teevee doesn't exist anymore.  Our telecines have Kodak
imaging heads with a line-array CCD.  This immediately hits high speed
ADC's, and the first test point is right after the converters.  It's
not even a television signal before that.  The array has way more
pixels.  As far as I know all live cameras function more or less the
same way (excepting area arrays instead of line, of course).  No one's
ever seen a "true" analog originated signal for years.  Tape decks are
all digital, too.  One-inch helical machines went away fifteen years
ago.  Even if you hooked up an analog-input monitor to the back of
a source device it would be impossible to watch a signal that hadn't
gone thru quite a bit of digital processing.

>And... my favorite bugaboo... you can't hook your portable you take 
>camping/to the beach/on the road to a set top converter.  And there don't 
>seem to even be plans for those type sets in the works yet for DTV because 
>the signal processors eat batteries like crazy.

   There's been ongoing complaints over the coding format (8VSB)
picked for the USA because, according to the detractors, it's not
as robust in mobile applications.  I never realized that many people
took the indoors with them when they went outdoors!

-- 
                                        Tim Mullen
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Article: 335012 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: TO info requested
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:35:22 -0700
Message-ID: <nfhh729ke57r3hgintdvl8jn2qbqe8328c@4ax.com>
References: <Po_dg.59597$MM6.15454@bignews3.bellsouth.net> <u9CdnX5S45-XNuXZ4p2dnA@comcast.com> <Nc2eg.197939$WI1.83487@pd7tw2no>

On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:59:41 GMT, Shawn K <r-520@REMOVETHISshaw.ca>
wrote:

>Actually Bill, this set uses two wave magnets, one mounted on the front 
>lid, and the other is a horse-shoe unit with a three prong plug that 
>plugs into the rear of the set close to the RF coils. The G500 was the 
>first set to only use one wavemagnet.
>
>One problem with this set: it used the old rubber insulated wire. It 
>looks like I am going to have to rewire my entire chassis, most of the 
>insulation has flaked off. <snip>

Once rewired/capped and lined up, how good a performer is this TO,
assuming it has both WMs?


Article: 335013 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 18:15:07 -0500
Message-ID: <15714-4478DD7B-233@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <20128-4478BE9C-304@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>

DOESN'T SOMEONE HAVE A SMALL LATHE WITH A TOOL POST GRINDER WHO COULD
MAKE A LITTLE ADDED MONEY TURNING THE OLD IDLER DOWN, CEMENTING AN 'O'
RING TO THE SURFACE AND TURN THE 'O' RING DOWN TO A FLAT SURFACE.  THE
WHOLE PROCEDURE IS RELATIVELY SIMPLE ONCE YOU HAVE THE LATHE AND TOOL
POST GRINDER AND IT CERTAINLY A LOT BETTER THAN THE ASSORTED RUBBER
CONDITIONERS AND SUCH I SEE RECOMMENDED HERE.   


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 335014 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: TO info requested
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 09:33:31 +0900
Message-ID: <e5ar1v$aqd$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <Po_dg.59597$MM6.15454@bignews3.bellsouth.net> <u9CdnX5S45-XNuXZ4p2dnA@comcast.com> <Nc2eg.197939$WI1.83487@pd7tw2no> <nfhh729ke57r3hgintdvl8jn2qbqe8328c@4ax.com>


"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message 
news:nfhh729ke57r3hgintdvl8jn2qbqe8328c@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:59:41 GMT, Shawn K <r-520@REMOVETHISshaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Actually Bill, this set uses two wave magnets, one mounted on the front
>>lid, and the other is a horse-shoe unit with a three prong plug that
>>plugs into the rear of the set close to the RF coils. The G500 was the
>>first set to only use one wavemagnet.
>>
>>One problem with this set: it used the old rubber insulated wire. It
>>looks like I am going to have to rewire my entire chassis, most of the
>>insulation has flaked off. <snip>
>
> Once rewired/capped and lined up, how good a performer is this TO,
> assuming it has both WMs?

The 8G005 is a great radio. I've had a couple of them in the past few years. 
They clean up really nice.. and very hot front ends. Also, the audio is 
superior to other TO's because of the P-P output's higher power.





Article: 335015 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <rB1eg.7153$3q2.3874@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Philco 38-690 sets on eBay
Message-ID: <9z6eg.183$3B.26@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 00:56:37 GMT

How come the closer they get to ME the higher the price is?  EXPONENTIALLY?

Sigh!  Am I gonna have to drive to Oklahoma?

Keith

"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:rB1eg.7153$3q2.3874@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> How many times have there been 3 of these for sale on eBay at once?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6633006804
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6632657172
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6632543771
>
> I usually see less than 5 of these on eBay in a full year.
>
> jim menning
> 




Article: 335016 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: ken scharf <wa2mzeNOSPAMBOTS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: TO info requested
References: <Po_dg.59597$MM6.15454@bignews3.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <Lt7eg.32700$qd2.1165@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:59:29 -0400

ken scharf wrote:
> I just saw this TO listed on ebay.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ZENITH-8G005YT-TRANSOCEANIC-TUBE-RADIO_W0QQitemZ6631970156QQcategoryZ38035QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> 
> I bet the one tube that lights up is the 117z4 rectifier tube (you can't
> see if the others light anyway unless the room is very dark).  It looks
> like it is missing the wave magnet though.  Wonder how bad this one
> would be to fix.  Someone also replaced the power cord with a three wire
> type.
> 
> If I ever go after a tube type TO I think this is the model I'd look for
> (I like Loktal tubes).

There are two similar TO's on ebay right now.  One has a 7 pin min tube
rectifier, the other an octal based one (or is it a loktal?).
Other than that I think these two models are nearly the same, right?


Article: 335017 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: NASA has recently answered to the prediction of a mega tsunami
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:17:56 -0500
Message-ID: <15672-44790854-54@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148781165.601789.130560@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

I will worry about it after the Indianapolis 500 race tomorrow and my
BBQ dinner settles down.Untill then,All bets are off.
cuhulin



Article: 335018 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
References: <20128-4478BE9C-304@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <15714-4478DD7B-233@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <hW7eg.7859$uM4.4330@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:29:33 GMT



Bill Turner wrote:
> DOESN'T SOMEONE HAVE A SMALL LATHE WITH A TOOL POST GRINDER WHO COULD
> MAKE A LITTLE ADDED MONEY TURNING THE OLD IDLER DOWN, CEMENTING AN 'O'
> RING TO THE SURFACE AND TURN THE 'O' RING DOWN TO A FLAT SURFACE.  THE
> WHOLE PROCEDURE IS RELATIVELY SIMPLE ONCE YOU HAVE THE LATHE AND TOOL
> POST GRINDER AND IT CERTAINLY A LOT BETTER THAN THE ASSORTED RUBBER
> CONDITIONERS AND SUCH I SEE RECOMMENDED HERE.  

Well, I wasn't going to mention it yet, but yes, I do.
My recent addition to the new shop.
http://www.smithy.com/midas1220ltd.htm

Jeff


-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 335019 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: 16b Chassis
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1148779021.194285.305540@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <JV8eg.6022$No1.1030@attbi_s71>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 03:37:13 GMT

In article <1148779021.194285.305540@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, 
n9vu@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Do you think this chassis will work out in a 16b tombstone?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6631581160
>
>Gee, I hope so.  :)
>


in a word.... Yup thats the one...

John k9uwa



Article: 335020 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: 38-116  Got it!
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <UQsdg.77$3B.60@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <127cr9nvmgcv66@corp.supernews.com> <ooNdg.132$3B.113@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <Z8OdnQyRwOfCF-XZRVn-jQ@giganews.com>
Message-ID: <409eg.6029$No1.4605@attbi_s71>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 03:44:00 GMT

In article <Z8OdnQyRwOfCF-XZRVn-jQ@giganews.com>, philnelson@nospam.xyz 
says...
>
>
>Taking notes can also help you avoid wiring mistakes on a complex project 
>like a boatanchor or TV. On my current TV project, every time I replace any 
>component, it is marked off on the schematic, parts list, and parts layout 
>diagram. That may be overkill, but it does force me to stop and look at the 
>component a second time -- doublecheck its value, etc. -- before racing on 
>to the next one.
>
>Phil Nelson
>
>

Well I have a part time guy that does some of my cap replacement work
for me.... I just spent 2 hours looking for two problems in this zenith
thats on the bench now... one he had replaced the caps, bad wiring and
anything obvious in it... 

yup just two little errors... on a new wire that wasn't soldered at
all.. and that tube filament didn't light up... that was the easy
one... the hard one was a cap that was wired to wrong tube pin... only
off by one pin ... rf bypassed the OSC instead of the cathode... 

personally ... I keep a pair of clip leads on the bench... I do an ID
on a part thats going to be replaced... I find the new part... then I
cut out the old part and replace it... If the wife yells... or the phone rings 
or the doorbell rings... whatever the intrusion ... the clip leads go
in where the part was first... before I answer the phone or whatever.. 

it sure saves on making mistakes..
John k9uwa



Article: 335021 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net>
Message-ID: <z39eg.6078$1i1.3421@attbi_s72>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 03:47:43 GMT

In article <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net>, 
maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net says...
>
>
>Is there any workaround that allows you to hook up a modern CD player to the 
>"Phonograph" input line for radios of the late 20's and 30's? The input line 
>was meant for the magnetic horse-shoe pickups of the day. What would I need 
>in order to do this? Thanks
>Bruce 
>
>
I regularily install Phono Inputs where there were none in a lot of these
old radios to input FM Tuners,CD Players, your XM radio ... they seem to
work for me...
John k9uwa



Article: 335022 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Philco 38-690 sets on eBay
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <rB1eg.7153$3q2.3874@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <9z6eg.183$3B.26@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <W79eg.6083$1i1.781@attbi_s72>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 03:52:22 GMT

In article <9z6eg.183$3B.26@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, 
topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com says...
>
>
>How come the closer they get to ME the higher the price is?  EXPONENTIALLY?
>
>Sigh!  Am I gonna have to drive to Oklahoma?
>
>Keith

Naw Keith that one in OK was on before he has some high reserve on it
didn't make it last time a few weeks ago... go for one that closer....

I am saved this time... none of them are close to me... 
lots of radio there

John k9uwa




Article: 335023 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net> <u42eg.88720$sm4.420953@weber.videotron.net> <yo2eg.175$3B.143@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
Message-ID: <889eg.92725$sm4.483382@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:51:28 -0400


"Lou deGonzague" <zenith@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:yo2eg.175$3B.143@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> I'm surprised a magnetic pickup could produce 2v output. Modern mag carts 
> only do millivolts. Was there a preamp before the chassis?
>

We are talking early magnetic horseshoe cartridges here. They do put out
2V, as loud as the early crystal cartridges. Actually, the crystal came out 
after the
magnetic if I am not mistaken.

All the early horseshoe cartridges I rebuilt put out a solid 3.5V (I have my 
technique
to achieve this). Modern magnetic can only put out 5mv at a 
specific -standard- velocity
because of the mass of the magnet and coils. Multiply the mass of a modern 
magnetic
motor by 50 and you now have an early horseshoe. Divide also the compliance
by as much...The reason it is preferable, make that -mandatory-,  to use 
steel needles
on early magnetic phono cartridges. The needle wears before the record does.

Syl 




Article: 335024 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net> <z39eg.6078$1i1.3421@attbi_s72>
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
Message-ID: <Ya9eg.92799$sm4.484285@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:54:43 -0400


"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message 
news:z39eg.6078$1i1.3421@attbi_s72...
> In article <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net>,
> maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net says...
>>
>>
>>Is there any workaround that allows you to hook up a modern CD player to 
>>the
>>"Phonograph" input line for radios of the late 20's and 30's? The input 
>>line
>>was meant for the magnetic horse-shoe pickups of the day. What would I 
>>need
>>in order to do this? Thanks
>>Bruce
>>
>>
> I regularily install Phono Inputs where there were none in a lot of these
> old radios to input FM Tuners,CD Players, your XM radio ... they seem to
> work for me...
> John k9uwa

And where in the circuit do you install such input ?
What is the audio output compared to the radio ?
What is the frequency response ? Uniform or suffers from lack of bass ?
Working and "optimal" are two different things.

Syl 




Article: 335025 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net> <z39eg.6078$1i1.3421@attbi_s72> <Ya9eg.92799$sm4.484285@weber.videotron.net> <447926D2.5DEE3165@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
Message-ID: <%W9eg.94033$sm4.497693@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 00:45:59 -0400


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:447926D2.5DEE3165@earthlink.net...

>   The obvious point is to break the circuit at the top of the volume
> controland switch in the extrenal input at that point.  It worked for me
> on a lot of radios 40 years ago.

That is the obvious, adding a coupling cap also is an obvious move,
but it ain't fun listening to a CD then switch to radio and have volume
overload because you had to turn the volume control way past the
comfortable level when listening to the CD. If proven necessary after
a trial, the simple method of adding an interstage (from a transistor radio)
transformer will do the trick. That is what I meant....Sure it works...
Mixing resistors for both CD channels is also obvious but I don't
see it mentioned anywhere.

>Of course, what the hell do I know?  I'm not a "do'r".

Have I stroke a nerve ? I hope you won't chew that bone for long. Michael, 
Life's too short.

Syl





Article: 335026 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: 16b Chassis
Message-ID: <TVaeg.7419$3q2.2834@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 05:53:55 GMT


"Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> wrote in message 
news:4MmdnVG7faVYpOTZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> And I have to say Boo to the seller, who pulled the chassis and is peddling the 
> console cabinet (with speaker) separately.
>
> Watch for the cabinet to go up in smoke from his fireplace in less than 24 hours. 
> The speaker will go into the garbage.
>
> :-(
>
> Phil Nelson
>
>

Is that the same escutcheon Ken G. is looking for?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6631791473

jim menning 




From adouglasatgis.net Mon May 29 13:20:33 EDT 2006
Article: 335027 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Alan Douglas <adouglasatgis.net>
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Hi,
   Resorcinol is similar to Bakelite, impervious to almost anything. I
once restored a badly-glued mahogany cabinet and had to saw the old
joints apart with a jeweler's saw.  I actually used resorcinol on that
one, since there were large gaps in the joints and I wanted the dark
brown color.  Incidentally I had the proportions wrong in my last
post: the powder is the catalyst and the primary component is the
liquid.

Alan


Article: 335028 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 11:31:01 GMT

In article <Ya9eg.92799$sm4.484285@weber.videotron.net>, personne@perdu.com 
says...
>
>
>usually like Michael said... top of the volume control... depends on
what the shove into the unit but the level isn't usually all that far off..
if you come from a simple CD player from an earphone jack... guess what
you have a volume control on the CD player that you can set that level
pretty close to match what the radio was doing before you flipped
the switch... 

couple of RCA jacks and a couple resistors and stereo become mono... 

yup it isn't maybe the greatest... but then if you wanted sound quality
you wouldn't be shoving stereo into this old radio anyway... you would
use your home stereo system... 

John


>And where in the circuit do you install such input ?
>What is the audio output compared to the radio ?
>What is the frequency response ? Uniform or suffers from lack of bass ?
>Working and "optimal" are two different things.
>
>Syl 
>
>



Article: 335029 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: John Bartley <oldrad@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
References: <20128-4478BE9C-304@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <15714-4478DD7B-233@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> <hW7eg.7859$uM4.4330@tornado.socal.rr.com>
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 07:31:27 -0400

Jeffrey D Angus wrote:
>
> My recent addition to the new shop.
> http://www.smithy.com/midas1220ltd.htm
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 

Hmmm ... drool ... nice one Jeff. Combo lathe/mill. I'd like to have a 
vertical mill too. Right now I do what milling I can on my old Atlas 10" 
lathe.


-- 
regards from ::

John Bartley
43 Norway Spruce Street
Stittsville, Ontario
Canada, K2S1P5

( If you slow down it takes longer
        - does that apply to life also?)


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Article: 335030 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
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Subject: Chicago Coin ? 
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Ever seen one of these juke boxes ? (see photo on binaries)

Jim 




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Article: 335031 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
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Subject: Parts Needed for Coronado Series 7TL
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I need to locate a dial face, escutiuon, and knobs for this radio.
Anyone out there have such things?

See Photo in Binaries Group

Jim 




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Article: 335032 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
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Correct that to a Coronado Series 7LL 




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      1950-1952 Chicago Coin Band-Box
      Description: Band Box, Chicago Coin, 1950 to 1952, deposit a coin and 
the curtains open and the animated manikin musicians play a tune by the 
"world's smallest band", aka "Strike up the band". The Chicago Coin bandbox 
usually accompanied a jukebox and could work in unison with it. It was 
advertised as "A Speaker That Looks Like An Orchestra - The World's Smallest 
Band." Chicago Coin's Bandbox adverstising read:

        "A speaker for any juke box or hideaway* that makes any location a 
standout. Whole families travel miles to hear and see it play. Lifelike 
motion of musicians playing their instruments and swaying to the music 
intrigues the public. (Puts more money in your juke box -- increases bar 
business.)"
      Basically an extension speaker for a juke box, the Chicago Coin 
Bandbox is a small stage with a curved front. Two and a half feet high and 
four feet wide, by two feet deep and weighs about eighty pounds. The 
attached jukebox closes a switch which causes the bandbox's lights to go on 
and the curtains to draw back revealing a dance band of seven players with 
their instruments. They move as if playing until the end of the music. The 
figures were made of sponge rubber and decay over the years. There is some 
question about the number of figures in the band box. The stage has a 
miniature dummy microphone and some restorations have a 'singer'. But most 
collectors agree the singer was not part of the original design (and the 
flyer does not have a singer).




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                  gn4radios.com
                  This domain is currently expired.

                  Does anyone have another URL ?

                  Jim




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Article: 335035 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 06:47:35 -0700
Message-ID: <rdaj72dfevghrohnulri9m7dguu8hgdb71@4ax.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <pe6dna8nOqK5AuTZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Sun, 28 May 2006 09:08:16 -0400, Tom Adkins
<newton5@remove.comcast.net> wrote:

>  Thanks for all of the input guys. I think I'll get one and give it a try. <snip>

You won't be sorry.  The more troubleshooting you do on radio, the
more you'll come to appreciate its simplicity and speed.


Article: 335036 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 09:17:39 -0500
Message-ID: <15671-4479B103-337@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
References: <hW7eg.7859$uM4.4330@tornado.socal.rr.com>

DOES THIS IMPLY THE DESIRE TO DO THE WORK?


CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse  caps, short answers, stroke.
Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide.  






Article: 335037 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
References: <hW7eg.7859$uM4.4330@tornado.socal.rr.com> <15671-4479B103-337@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <Lfjeg.7548$9W5.3191@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:23:23 GMT

Bill Turner wrote:
> DOES THIS IMPLY THE DESIRE TO DO THE WORK?

Yes.

Additionally, the shop next door is Hamilton Prototypes,
so I have access to a "real" vacuum forming machine.

Jeff

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 335038 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:15:59 -0500
Message-ID: <15715-4479BEAF-70@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <fSfeg.31$EF1.2617@news20.bellglobal.com>

I also own an old small Craftsman (I guess y'all could call it a model
lathe) lathe.I bought it for $10.00 at a yard sale many years ago.I dont
know a durn thing about actually operating a lathe.Look in the
classified back pages of Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines
once in a while.Sometimes there are some ads in there about lathes.
cuhulin 



Article: 335039 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Chicago Coin ?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:22:50 -0500
Message-ID: <15714-4479C04A-331@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <2fheg.7543$GM.2613@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>

When I was in the Army,at Fort Hood,one evening I was sitting at the
lunch counter at a cafe in Killeen,Texas.(Killeen is next door to Fort
Hood) I put some money in that thingy and I played that Third Man theme
music on the jukebox.The pretty gal behind the counter said,Who is
playing that? I didn't say a word.
cuhulin



Article: 335040 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net>
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net> <uWieg.1183$ho6.32@trnddc07>
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
Message-ID: <%qjeg.22205$XV5.16776@fed1read10>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 08:35:23 -0700

I agree on the transmitter!!!!!!! its on all day, every day. Fed it into a 
long wire around the eves of the house and its about all I listen to. For 
source programming I use Itunes, talk/spoken work and Antioch 1710. I listen 
to it in the shop, in the house, even out in the yard on a walkman when I 
mow!!! The kids listen to the Whistler every night before bed.... I did add 
an FM tuner (solid state mini from RS) to the console in the entry way, as 
the wife likes on of the local country stations. The console has a phono 
jack on it all ready. Sure does sound nice!!!!!

bob in phx
"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:uWieg.1183$ho6.32@trnddc07...
> This might begin to sound like a broken record (no pun intended), but what 
> I do -- and recommend -- is forget the line input entirely and use an 
> AMT-3000 transmitter.  the audio signal will be correct for any radio, as 
> will the frequency curve and other audio processing.  You do not have to 
> make any modifications to any of your radios, and you certainly don't have 
> to worry about line isolation!  When I work in the shop, I often listen to 
> either OTR or my favorite CD's -- with either one I simply put a CD in the 
> player, turn on the transmitter, then turn on the Atwater-Kent in the 
> shop.  If I need to work on the bench in the garage, I'll turn on a 
> Crosley to the same station, and listen to the same program.  If I go to 
> the kitchen to eat lunch, I can take a portable radio, such as the Zenith 
> TO, and listen to it there.  On top of that, the transmitter doubles as a 
> great signal source when servicing radios on the bench.
>
> If you don't feel like purchasing such a transmitter, you can always do as 
> others have suggested, and use whatever works -- capacitor, interstage 
> transformer, etc. -- and either feed it to the top of the volume control 
> on each radio, or use the radio's input jack if it has one.  Audio 
> processing -- what you hear is what you get -- if you're not particular 
> it's probably fine.  Now -- I indeed have an RCA cathedral radio (future 
> project) and an "RCA Victrola" phono designed for it (another future 
> project) that may eventually be assembled together.  However this will be 
> a novelty, not something I'll use every day.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
>
> "Bruce Mercer" <maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net> wrote in message 
> news:y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>> Is there any workaround that allows you to hook up a modern CD player to 
>> the "Phonograph" input line for radios of the late 20's and 30's? The 
>> input line was meant for the magnetic horse-shoe pickups of the day. What 
>> would I need in order to do this? Thanks
>> Bruce
>>
>
> 




Article: 335041 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <3%heg.7547$GM.4080@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Great Northern Antiques ?
Message-ID: <0yjeg.7691$3q2.2708@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:42:52 GMT


"James Hilins" <oldradio@wi.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:3%heg.7547$GM.4080@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
>                  gn4radios.com
>                  This domain is currently expired.
>
>                  Does anyone have another URL ?
>
>                  Jim
>
>
>
>
>

Call, mail, fax, or email him directly.  Here is the info from his advertising:


Alan Jesperson, PO Box 17338, Minneapolis MN 55417. (612) 727-2489, 11 am-4:30 pm. 
Fax during business hours (612) 821-4820, 11-4:30 Tues.-Fri., Sat 10-3. E-mail: 
mte612@aol.com

jim menning




Article: 335042 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1148827539.740004.286640@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: CHICAGO SALVAGE STOCK STORE
Message-ID: <oHjeg.7692$3q2.2838@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:52:52 GMT


"vitoroliveira" <bigeye@sapo.pt> wrote in message 
news:1148827539.740004.286640@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hello dear honorable members and Radio lovers,
>
> Today I got one old catalog from 1920's CHICAGO SALVAGE STOCK STORE,
> Chicago, Ill. There are not cover pages and I ask if someone can help
> me to identify the correct year of this old catalog (146 pages...,
> tubes, a lot of Cadillac, Polydyne, etc.. radio models).
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Vitor Oliveira
> Portugal
>

Is that the same catalog you posted to alt.binaries.pictures.radio a couple of days 
ago under a different address from Portugal?

If so, please have enough courtesy to go back to that group and you'll see they've 
already been very helpful in answering your question.

jim menning 




Article: 335043 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: CHICAGO SALVAGE STOCK STORE
Message-ID: <XKjeg.7693$3q2.6351@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:56:39 GMT


"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:oHjeg.7692$3q2.2838@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "vitoroliveira" <bigeye@sapo.pt> wrote in message
>
> Is that the same catalog you posted to alt.binaries.pictures.radio a couple of days 
> ago under a different address from Portugal?
>

Yes, it was you, I see now the address is the same, just the display name has been 
changed.  And yes, your answers are over at alt.binaries.pictures.radio.

jim menning





Article: 335044 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1148779021.194285.305540@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <JV8eg.6022$No1.1030@attbi_s71> <4MmdnVG7faVYpOTZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com>
Subject: Re: 16b Chassis
Message-ID: <3Zjeg.7695$3q2.4065@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 16:11:43 GMT


"Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> wrote in message 
news:4MmdnVG7faVYpOTZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> And I have to say Boo to the seller, who pulled the chassis and is peddling the 
> console cabinet (with speaker) separately.
>
> Watch for the cabinet to go up in smoke from his fireplace in less than 24 hours. 
> The speaker will go into the garbage.
>
> :-(
>
> Phil Nelson
>
>

>From the seller when asked about the logic of splitting up the cabinet and speaker 
>from the radio chassis:

"It would be very difficult to ship together. It's very heavy thats why we chose to 
do the auction separetly."

jim menning 




Article: 335045 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Rubber revitalizer?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 11:18:43 -0500
Message-ID: <15714-4479CD63-354@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <Lfjeg.7548$9W5.3191@tornado.socal.rr.com>

At sixty four years old,,,,, what I need is something that can
''revitalize'' me.Indianapolis 500 Pre-Race is on Radio (tv is actually
part of Radius = Radio) now.
cuhulin



Article: 335046 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: 16b Chassis
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:31:42 -0600
Message-ID: <777-4479D06E-121@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <TVaeg.7419$3q2.2834@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>

Yes Jim thats the esc. i`m in need of , thanks for remembering .

So far ...I found a broken esc. that will do ...but still would like a
complete one .

 John G. is looking out for me and sent me that auction link . 

If someone here wins the chassis and the cabinet gets no bids could the
winner please try to get that escutcheon from the guy please & i will
buy it from you at 20$ shipped .   

Thanks everyone 



Article: 335047 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 09:47:00 -0700
Message-ID: <0ukj72t0c5ktahlj3e289d2bdmijsv9v9p@4ax.com>
References: <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>    <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com> <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com> <kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com> <lJ1eg.2295$Oh1.1679@news01.roc.ny> <prgh72dqp6habpsd09nle30th7qrmng5rp@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2805061050180001@216-80-74-228.d.enteract.com>

On Sun, 28 May 2006 10:50:17 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:


>As usual in your zeal to flame Bush and the Republicans you ignore the
>facts, of course the Republicans can take some solace in the fact that it
>is your SOP to ignore the facts in all your posts. <snip>

See, I knew I'd get it out of him sooner or later...Byrns is a wing
nut.  No WONDER you teamed up with a scumball like Charlie Nudo!

Birds of a feather....


Article: 335048 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:07:09 -0700
Message-ID: <h2lj72h0ucosfj2pvh74v8oc05vhh9bk88@4ax.com>
References: <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>    <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com> <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com> <kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com> <lJ1eg.2295$Oh1.1679@news01.roc.ny> <prgh72dqp6habpsd09nle30th7qrmng5rp@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2805061050180001@216-80-74-228.d.enteract.com>

On Sun, 28 May 2006 10:50:17 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>At that point the broadcasters said they wanted digital broadcasting, that
>changed the course of the FCC from a simple repacking of the UHF
>Television spectrum, to the development of a new digital television
>system, the rest is history.  It was my impression at the time that the
>Television broadcasters were actually not so much interested in digital
>Television broadcasting as they were in preventing a raid on their
>spectrum, and they thought that digital Television would save the day, and
>spectrum for them, as it turned out they miscalculated and the FCC pared
>back their spectrum anyway, as the congress had ordered. <snip>

It's all about bandwidth, NOTHING to do with public welfare at all, as
it should be, since Congress has declared the airwaves to be a "pubic
resource," not a corporate property, as they treat it now.  Digits
conserve bandwidth...that's the only reason for the corporate
broadcasters to want it, so they can allow the FCC shills to lop off
parts of their reserved spectrum for new wireless gee-gaws.  Due to
conglomeration and convergence in the industry, it's those same
corporations that will reap benefits on the new stuff while still
making money converting the old stuff.  End result?  More money out of
consumers' pocket to fund the conversion and buy the new "toys" and
DTV sets.  It should be noted that "Japan Inc." has lobbied heavily
for hastened conversion, so they can have a captive market for DTV
capable sets at higher prices.

Conversion from FM to QPSK on the INTELSAT satellite system in the
'80s was an example of just how efficient bandwidth conservation of
digital conversion can be.  Due to the introduction of bit stuffing
compression in new statmuxes along with the lack of needed sideband
energy as needed on FM carriers, a conservation of about 10 to 1
occurred when converting from FM carriers carrying analog mux to QPSK
carrying "stuffed" digital streams in IDR (Intermediate Data Rate)
bearer service.  So, the broadcasters convert to digits, save some
bandwidth (the conservation factor is a bit less here) and then
another subsidiary grabs the bandwidth then auctioned off and makes
even more money with new "toy" services.  The citizen has to pay for
cost of conversion, and also becomes more reliant on either cable or
DBS (both "pay" services) since DTV's effective reception area is
usually half or less than vestigial sideband AM.  We've already seen
this with the cable operators...they're ramming digitization down
subscribers' throats (at a higher cost factor) while being able to
cram 3x as much crap onto their existing coax distribution plant.  To
hasten conversion, Comcrash and others are noising up existing analog
channels with "hash" from adjacent digital channels, removing DTS
sound from many analog channels and generally providing poor analog
service at an increased price.  Thus, the consumer eventually gives
up, pays the money and goes to digital in desperation.

Winners:  Corporations   Losers:  Citizens


Article: 335049 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:34:41 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-4479DF31-352@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <e5ahfr$a4c$1@reader1.panix.com>

What's all the aggravation about Philco radios about,anyway? I own some
old tube type Philco and transistor Philco radios.Hurry up and recap
them? I wouldn't even know where to begin.They all still do work
anyway.Old saying goes,If it ain't broke,dont fix it.
cuhulin
(leave it along)



Article: 335050 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:35:42 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-4479DF6E-354@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <e5ahfr$a4c$1@reader1.panix.com>

I need a ''recappin'' Ladies?
cuhulin



Article: 335051 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:36:35 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-4479DFA3-355@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <44790000.43256468@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>

''Cheap''?
cuhulin



Article: 335052 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:43:09 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-4479E12D-356@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <jbyrns-2805061050180001@216-80-74-228.d.enteract.com>

You want to tell me about Katrina! I live 140 miles North of the
Mississippi Gulf Coast and Katrina blew about ten shingles off of the
top of my house roof.Blueberry doggy,she and I were sitting in my dining
room,,, scared s..tles! I hope a ''Katrina'' never finds you.
www.clarionledger.com/katrinabook

Those photos in the book are,,,, Amazing!
cuhulin



Article: 335053 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:47:02 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-4479E216-357@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <0ukj72t0c5ktahlj3e289d2bdmijsv9v9p@4ax.com>

My old buddys oldest son is a wing nut in the Mississippi Air National
Guard and he works at the Missisippi Adjuntant Generals Office.Something
you have agains't Wing Nuts!?!
cuhulin 



Article: 335054 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:55:10 -0500
Message-ID: <8240-4479E3FE-10@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <0ukj72t0c5ktahlj3e289d2bdmijsv9v9p@4ax.com>

I have flown in Airplanes and Helicopters before,when I was in the
U.S.Army.Even a U.S.Airforce Jet Plane (the seats face backwards) on the
way home from Vietnam in late December 1964.((Get them off the
Base!!!,y'all probally dont know where I am coming from,on that one]]
Gee,I love all kinds of Aircraft,but I hate flying.
cuhulin



Article: 335055 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:56:12 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-4479E43C-359@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <h2lj72h0ucosfj2pvh74v8oc05vhh9bk88@4ax.com>

www.krud.com
cuhulin



Article: 335056 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Chicago Coin ?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <2fheg.7543$GM.2613@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <15714-4479C04A-331@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <Eomeg.6903$No1.2124@attbi_s71>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 18:57:40 GMT

In article <15714-4479C04A-331@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>, 
cuhulin@webtv.net says...
>
>
>When I was in the Army,at Fort Hood,one evening I was sitting at the
>lunch counter at a cafe in Killeen,Texas.(Killeen is next door to Fort
>Hood) I put some money in that thingy and I played that Third Man theme
>music on the jukebox.The pretty gal behind the counter said,Who is
>playing that? I didn't say a word.
>cuhulin
>

Did my Basic Training and was stationed there for a while afterwards at 
Ft Hood ... lots of nice stuff at the other end of the Lake on the 
beaches... Temple Texas and be careful on the way to the lake ...
the Speed Traps at Harker Heights... That was a lot of years ago!
John k9uwa



Article: 335057 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Great Northern Antiques ?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <3%heg.7547$GM.4080@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1148829754.078228.145960@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Brmeg.6907$No1.5007@attbi_s71>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:00:49 GMT

In article <1148829754.078228.145960@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
tschw10117@aol.com says...
>
>
>Interesting. Looks like it expired about 2 weeks ago.
>
>I just saw Alan at the NARC swap meet last weekend. I know he's still
>in business.
>
>Terry.

I talked to him I think it was Tuesday ... asked him about the 
Webpage...answer was... we are changing to a different web storage
place so pretty soon the website will be back up again... not to
worry Alan isn't going anyplace soon ...

John k9uwa



Article: 335058 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net> <z39eg.6078$1i1.3421@attbi_s72> <Ya9eg.92799$sm4.484285@weber.videotron.net> <447926D2.5DEE3165@earthlink.net> <%W9eg.94033$sm4.497693@weber.videotron.net> <44793248.C53E93AB@earthlink.net> <jbyrns-2805060839450001@216-80-74-75.d.enteract.com> <4479B409.616D72F@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Oumeg.6981$1i1.4078@attbi_s72>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:04:14 GMT

In article <4479B409.616D72F@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net 
says...
>
>
>   Like I said, its just me.  If the material is in stereo there are
>plenty of stereo amps and speakers around here and converting it to mono
>loses the separation.
>Michael A. Terrell

agree with Michael... but when customer says... I wanna be able to listen
to my XM radio out of my Antique Zenith playing some oldies or my Fibber McGee 
and Molly ... what are you going to do?...

Answer .. install what the paying customer wants... always tell them
that it won't be stereo.... thats OK .. still want to hear it coming
out of my Zenith Speaker..

John k9uwa



Article: 335059 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Chicago Coin ?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:08:09 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-4479F519-374@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <qpSdnaLIfptfdOTZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com>

Blueberry doggy,,, she is makin them ooom ooooom noises and slurpin out
my right ear again.That means she needs to take me out in the front yard
again for whatever.
cuhulin 



Article: 335060 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Chicago Coin ?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:18:26 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-4479F782-375@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4479EA39.27B8ABCA@earthlink.net>

You couldn't handle Dogpatch.For that matter,I doubt if I could
either.Back to the Indianapolis 500 Race on Radio tv now.At least,I can
handle that.
cuhulin



Article: 335061 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Chicago Coin ?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:26:16 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-4479F958-376@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <Eomeg.6903$No1.2124@attbi_s71>

January to about two months later 1965,,, I was in the 502nd Supply and
Transportation Company at Fort Hood.Untill I pissed off a certain son of
a bitch Officer,,, then I got transfered to the 22nd Chemical Company at
Fort Hood.I liked that much better.Just like I pissed off Major Rosa at
Shannon Wright Compound www.114thaviationcompany.com    in 1964.Major
Rosa,,, You A..hole,,, May the Bird of Happiness fly up your nose too!
cuhulin



Article: 335062 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:30:21 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-4479FA4D-377@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

RCA are the best tv sets.Forget all them other greasy kidstuff so-called
tv sets.
cuhulin
(and,Stay the Hell away from anything that has the Zenith name on it) 



Article: 335063 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 06:37:11 +0900
Message-ID: <e5d538$55$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>    <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com> <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com> <kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com> <lJ1eg.2295$Oh1.1679@news01.roc.ny> <prgh72dqp6habpsd09nle30th7qrmng5rp@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2805061050180001@216-80-74-228.d.enteract.com> <h2lj72h0ucosfj2pvh74v8oc05vhh9bk88@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2805061555230001@216-80-74-35.d.enteract.com>


"John Byrns" <jbyrns@rcn.com> wrote in message 
news:jbyrns-2805061555230001@216-80-74-35.d.enteract.com...
>
> That is all just hot air to avoid the question which was, given that the
> cutoff of analog Television is now chiseled in the stone of law, how do
> you see analog Television being given a reprieve?
>
> You seem to want to paint the issue as a political one, an "us" vs. "them"
> sort of thing.  For my part I don't see any difference between the
> Republicans and the Democrats on this issue.
>
> What are the options for saving analog Television?
<snippage>

The only thing that MAY put off the demise of analog television is if the 
sheeple get off their arses and away from the TV long enough to call or 
write their elected representatives and let them know they can't afford to 
upgrade all their televisions to DTV. With the cutoff as is, it's going to 
be like the 50's again, with just one television per household in many 
(most?) cases.




Article: 335064 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: hatespam@hatespam.com (Veritas)
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Message-ID: <447a1b09.24245517@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>
References: <44790000.43256468@news.houston.sbcglobal.net> <8237-4479DFA3-355@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 21:51:49 GMT

cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>''Cheap''?
>cuhulin
>

Cheaper than I can buy a crappy VCR. :-)




Article: 335065 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
Subject: Ow or Wow?
Message-ID: <8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:41:08 GMT

Maybe I should dig out my old one and fix it...

Are these really that sought after?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6632112694 




Article: 335066 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Brief Hiatus
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:37:25 -0500
Message-ID: <18384-447A2625-569@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148854871.088274.16720@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

There was a guy by the last name of Polzy (spelling,you can't spell
Pennsylvania anyway,it's Penns Woods) in boot camp.He was from somewhere
in Penns Woods.I sort of know a guy my age,(sixty four) he is from
Croatia. [German by ancestry] I guess he thinks he is a Penns
Woodisian,but although he became an American in 1949 or 1950,he will
never be a real Ameican.
cuhulin
    



Article: 335067 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Brief Hiatus
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:48:32 -0500
Message-ID: <15714-447A28C0-425@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148854871.088274.16720@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

And there was Varner,from Penns Woods,in our Company in Vietnam in
1964.He was a Crew Chief on one of our Helicopters.His budyy was
Keach,Keach was a coin collector.I still want to know if Harold Pack is
in Parkersburg West By God Virginia.
cuhulin   



Article: 335068 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
Message-ID: <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:41:14 GMT


EthanInNC <ethaninnc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> I recently acquired a GE 4870 digital clock radio. This seems to be a
> stripped down version of the 4880. I assume it was made around 1980 or
> so.

OK I know you're going to think I'm a bad guy...
But would someone PLEASE tell me what a clock radio made
in 1980 is doing on an antique radio newsgroup???

Ron




Article: 335069 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:55:23 -0500
Message-ID: <15714-447A2A5B-428@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <jbyrns-2805061552200001@216-80-74-35.d.enteract.com>

A Wing Nut is anybody who is in the U.S.Air Force or Air National
Guard.Sayyyy,,,,, did I ever tell y'all about  my WAF girlfriend at
Scott Air Force Base,Illinois?
cuhulin 



Article: 335070 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:58:31 -0500
Message-ID: <15714-447A2B17-429@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <447a1b09.24245517@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>

Most I ever paid was twenty dollars.Not worth it,MaGee.
cuhulin



Article: 335071 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Ow or Wow?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:09:01 +0900
Message-ID: <e5dafc$1bv$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>


"Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com> wrote in message 
news:8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> Maybe I should dig out my old one and fix it...
>
> Are these really that sought after?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6632112694
>

HO-LY SHITE!!!!  Those radios generally go for about 10% of that... and 
they're POS radios.. nowhere near as good as the AM-only counterparts.





Article: 335072 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: At the Flea Today...
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:19:33 -0400
Message-ID: <127kc0eskieb224@corp.supernews.com>

I found a Grunow 571 console, complete but needing a complete restoration. 
The tag said FIVE bucks, I didn't argue. It's just a 5 tube thing but will 
make a nice gift for a friend I have in mind who needs a small console for 
her condo.  It's been a good weekend, after finding the functioning Edison 
Standard model D yesterday for $40- at an estate sale (the remains of its 
case show it had been in a house fire).

John H. 




Article: 335073 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Ow or Wow?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:13:20 -0500
Message-ID: <15717-447A3CA0-1@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>
References: <e5dafc$1bv$1@news2.kornet.net>

Too busy watching old World War Two era movies on Radio tv now.Flying
Leathernecks movie is on Radio tv now.I saw that movie when it first
came out.I am,busy.
cuhulin  



Article: 335074 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net> <z39eg.6078$1i1.3421@attbi_s72> <Ya9eg.92799$sm4.484285@weber.videotron.net> <447926D2.5DEE3165@earthlink.net> <%W9eg.94033$sm4.497693@weber.videotron.net> <4479E532.A5CDED99@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
Message-ID: <Tfreg.4338$q13.74785@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:29:31 -0400


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:4479E532.A5CDED99@earthlink.net...
> Syl wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:447926D2.5DEE3165@earthlink.net...
>>
>> >   The obvious point is to break the circuit at the top of the volume
>> > controland switch in the extrenal input at that point.  It worked for 
>> > me
>> > on a lot of radios 40 years ago.
>>
>> That is the obvious, adding a coupling cap also is an obvious move,
>> but it ain't fun listening to a CD then switch to radio and have volume
>> overload because you had to turn the volume control way past the
>> comfortable level when listening to the CD. If proven necessary after
>> a trial, the simple method of adding an interstage (from a transistor 
>> radio)
>> transformer will do the trick. That is what I meant....Sure it works...
>> Mixing resistors for both CD channels is also obvious but I don't
>> see it mentioned anywhere.
>>
>> >Of course, what the hell do I know?  I'm not a "do'r".
>>
>> Have I stroke a nerve ? I hope you won't chew that bone for long. 
>> Michael,
>> Life's too short.
>>
>> Syl
>
>
>   You don't need a coupling cap if the only thing connected to the top
> of the volume control is the external input.  If it has a DC bias on it,
> its not a good choice to feed anything else.  The line out or earphone
> out should already have a DC blocking capacitor.  Another capacitor can
> roll the audio off, even more.
>

It seems whatever I say you will disagree with. Fine with me. Using the 
right
size cap will NOT roll off the frequency response, and I feel more 
comfortable to use
a coupling cap or isolating caps I should say between ground and input but 
hey,
it ain't my radio and my CD player. Let the reader decide.

Syl 




Article: 335075 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:50:30 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.29.00.50.30.276693@yahoo.com>
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com>

On Sun, 28 May 2006 22:41:14 +0000,  Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:

> 
> EthanInNC <ethaninnc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> I recently acquired a GE 4870 digital clock radio. This seems to be a
>> stripped down version of the 4880. I assume it was made around 1980 or
>> so.
> 
> OK I know you're going to think I'm a bad guy... But would someone PLEASE
> tell me what a clock radio made in 1980 is doing on an antique radio
> newsgroup???
> 
> Ron
When is something an antique, Ron.  I remember as a kid thinking that all
these ration coupons and WWII stuff was really antique.  And that was in
the fifties (making me definitely an antique).

Gerald


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Article: 335076 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <rB1eg.7153$3q2.3874@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <9z6eg.183$3B.26@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <W79eg.6083$1i1.781@attbi_s72>
Subject: Re: Philco 38-690 sets on eBay
Message-ID: <k0seg.3462$W97.3266@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 01:21:20 GMT

Although Id upgrade at the right price, I think Ill stick with my 38-116 
:-)

Keith

"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message 
news:W79eg.6083$1i1.781@attbi_s72...
> In article <9z6eg.183$3B.26@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com says...
>>
>>
>>How come the closer they get to ME the higher the price is? 
>>EXPONENTIALLY?
>>
>>Sigh!  Am I gonna have to drive to Oklahoma?
>>
>>Keith
>
> Naw Keith that one in OK was on before he has some high reserve on it
> didn't make it last time a few weeks ago... go for one that closer....
>
> I am saved this time... none of them are close to me...
> lots of radio there
>
> John k9uwa
>
> 




Article: 335077 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <127kc0eskieb224@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: At the Flea Today...
Message-ID: <Y5seg.3463$W97.2443@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 01:27:20 GMT

Good deal! Grunows work better than their tubcount may imply usually.

Keith


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
news:127kc0eskieb224@corp.supernews.com...
>I found a Grunow 571 console, complete but needing a complete restoration. 
>The tag said FIVE bucks, I didn't argue. It's just a 5 tube thing but will 
>make a nice gift for a friend I have in mind who needs a small console for 
>her condo.  It's been a good weekend, after finding the functioning Edison 
>Standard model D yesterday for $40- at an estate sale (the remains of its 
>case show it had been in a house fire).
>
> John H.
> 




Article: 335078 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <pan.2006.05.29.00.50.30.276693@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
Message-ID: <Hiseg.9021$Qg.8604@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 01:40:55 GMT

> When is something an antique, Ron

Technically, there are very few radios or pieces of
radio equipment because the legal definition of
an antique is 100 years old.

As far a radios are concerned, I would say an antique radio would have to
have been made before World War 2.


Ron

Radio Collection Web Page,
http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com





Article: 335079 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:10:41 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.29.02.10.40.531226@yahoo.com>
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <pan.2006.05.29.00.50.30.276693@yahoo.com> <Hiseg.9021$Qg.8604@tornado.southeast.rr.com>

On Mon, 29 May 2006 01:40:55 +0000,  Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:

>> When is something an antique, Ron
> 
> Technically, there are very few radios or pieces of radio equipment
> because the legal definition of an antique is 100 years old.
> 
> As far a radios are concerned, I would say an antique radio would have to
> have been made before World War 2.
> 
> 
> Ron
> 
> Radio Collection Web Page,
> http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com

Okay.  As far as the radios that I really enjoy restoring, I'm with you. 
About 1939 or 1940 seems to me to be a point where there was a significant
reduction in the quality of the radios.  However, I tend to also accept
any radios that have tubes rather than transistors or ICs as legitimate
antiques.  I guess that sooner than we realize we may be able to collect
antique radios using your 100+ year old definition.



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Article: 335080 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:17:42 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.29.02.17.41.430422@yahoo.com>
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <pan.2006.05.29.00.50.30.276693@yahoo.com> <447A4D8A.7EA59933@earthlink.net>

On Mon, 29 May 2006 01:25:32 +0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> "Gerald D. Pine" wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 28 May 2006 22:41:14 +0000,  Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> > EthanInNC <ethaninnc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> >> I recently acquired a GE 4870 digital clock radio. This seems to be a
>> >> stripped down version of the 4880. I assume it was made around 1980
>> >> or so.
>> >
>> > OK I know you're going to think I'm a bad guy... But would someone
>> > PLEASE tell me what a clock radio made in 1980 is doing on an antique
>> > radio newsgroup???
>> >
>> > Ron
>> When is something an antique, Ron.  I remember as a kid thinking that
>> all these ration coupons and WWII stuff was really antique.  And that
>> was in the fifties (making me definitely an antique).
>> 
>> Gerald
>> 
>> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
> 
> 
>    I believe the newsgroup charter says anything 1964 or older.
>   
>    news:sci.electronics.repair deals with newer electronics.

That news group charter is pretty much consistent with my own attitude as
to what is an antique.  I guess that there are some early transistor
radios that could be classified as antique according to the 1964 cutoff
though, making my attitude about antiques having tubes a bit narrower. 
Personally, I'm not really very concerned about the definition.  However,
do you know what the basis for the 1964 limit is?  I know that I had a
transistor radio about that time, maybe a year or two earlier.  Is that
really the consensus date for the widespread switch from tubes to
transistors.



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Article: 335081 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:43:53 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.29.02.43.43.445495@yahoo.com>
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <pan.2006.05.29.00.50.30.276693@yahoo.com> <447A4D8A.7EA59933@earthlink.net> <pan.2006.05.29.02.17.41.430422@yahoo.com> <447A5EB1.5D37A6D2@earthlink.net>

On Mon, 29 May 2006 02:38:44 +0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> "Gerald D. Pine" wrote:
>> 
>> That news group charter is pretty much consistent with my own attitude
>> as to what is an antique.  I guess that there are some early transistor
>> radios that could be classified as antique according to the 1964 cutoff
>> though, making my attitude about antiques having tubes a bit narrower.
>> Personally, I'm not really very concerned about the definition. 
>> However, do you know what the basis for the 1964 limit is?  I know that
>> I had a transistor radio about that time, maybe a year or two earlier. 
>> Is that really the consensus date for the widespread switch from tubes
>> to transistors.
> 
> 
>    I wasn't here when the group was created.
> <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/browse_frm/thread/ca1a114d77aff4a1/ca4c551b1719511c?q=faq+charter&rnum=4#ca4c551b1719511c>
> says 1960 is the cutoff date, but I have heard 1964 so often that was what
> I stated.

I guess that 1960 pretty well makes it a vacuum tube cutoff then.


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Article: 335082 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <1148387094.307140.47350@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2305061527230001@216-80-74-244.d.enteract.com>   <1148469742.590632.88770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2405062133030001@216-80-74-101.d.enteract.com> <1148556439.367103.236460@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Message-ID: <3vteg.3636$7e.1596@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:02:23 GMT

Get a _real_ cap analyzer. Those cheapo or combo units are worthless for 
vintage electronics.

They can't tell leakage from capacitance. The high readings are a clue but 
can not be relied upon.

About the only use they have is for measuring cables or choosing _new_ caps 
for a project. They are of no use for analyzing old and leaky caps. I have 
had several brands of them over the years - all major names - and they won't 
tell you what you need to know in old circuits. You can never be sure if 
it's within tolerance or leakage being displayed. They may be fine for new 
equipment but not of any use for old.

Analyzers are on eBay all the time and well worth the price if you work on 
more than a few pieces a year.

Ray

"CAINE" <streambredbrownie@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1148556439.367103.236460@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> cap tolerances- I recapped my Telex 8-track deck a few days ago- the
> original caps were so far out, some were TWICE the actual value printed
> on them.  After replacing them all, that deck sounds much better.
>
> the reason I look at cap values is this- while switching from one range
> to another on the cap checker, if the value fluctuates greatly, that
> means the cap is bad.  I'm just following the directions in the cap
> checker manual- that's the recommended procedure in the manual to find
> a bad cap.
>
> sure enough, the coupling caps in the push-pull phono amp, fluctuated
> greatly from scale to scale, when removed and checked.  The old caps in
> the Telex 8-track amp circuit also showed fluctuation from scale to
> scale.  This cap checker appears to be working as advertised.
> 




Article: 335083 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Huge vintage e-books collection on Usenet
From: Larry <noone@home.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97D1ECC837CC9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:16:22 -0400

Just thought you guys would like to know someone posted an amazing array of 
vintage radio and electronics books, including the Beitmans, to newsgroup:

alt.binaries.e-book.technical

Also posted recently is an amazing array of ARRL articles on the same 
newsgroup.

Bon Appetit!

Larry W4CSC
Bandwidth IS our FRIEND!


Article: 335084 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <1148387094.307140.47350@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-2305061527230001@216-80-74-244.d.enteract.com> <1148481865.043890.57750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-CORRECTION-C7 and R22 were problems
Message-ID: <hPteg.3594$ci.609@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:23:57 GMT

Better expect to replace all non-ceramic caps on these old Japanese items. 
They were usually paper, sometimes in oil, but almost always bad (leakage or 
worse) within 20 years.

The electrolytics are probably leaking electrically too, increasing the load 
on the transformer. They may not show it with hum either but still load 
things down. That will come back to haunt you later.

These units have often been sitting unused for 25-30 years and have 
deteriorated from lack of use. Reforming is not likely to be practical 
either and they could fail at any time afterward anyway.

I always expect to have to do major replacement of caps on these things and 
have seldom been disappointed in that area. Even the later solid-state units 
need massive recapping to bring them back to usable condition.

That's the "joy" of working on this old stuff but you do feel like you 
accomplished something after so much work.

Ray


"CAINE" <streambredbrownie@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1148481865.043890.57750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> John Byrns wrote:
>> In article <1148387094.307140.47350@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, 
>> "CAINE"
>> <streambredbrownie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I recently purchased a spare Akai M8 R2R to tinker with- like to
>> > rebuild it to spec to replace the one I'm currently using as my main
>> > system.  This newest one has a problem- one channel does not have as
>> > much output as the other. There is also a smell coming from it, that
>> > appears to be coming from one of the monoblocks power supply
>> > transformer.
>> >
>> > Each monoblock power supply has a 2-section lytic  cap, with (2) 20uf
>> > sections in each cap.  I intend on replacing those.   There is also (2)
>> > other 20 uf lytic caps per monoblock that I intend on replacing.
>> >
>> > Looking at the problem monoblock closely, I saw that the 5K ohm
>> > resistor at location R28 on schematic, is discolored in the middle from
>> > heat- I cut it out and it still checks at 5K- but am replacing that
>> > also.
>> >
>> > question- would a defective lytic cap in the power supply, make the
>> > transformer overheat, and that resistor get hot ?
>> >
>> > here is the schematic that was previously posted here by someone else.
>> >
>> > http://i1.tinypic.com/muwg8z.gif
>> >
>> > the resistor is located at the upper right, second tube from the right
>> >
>> > opinions ?
>>
>>
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
>> Is your email down?  I sent you an email asking about the "Motorola 
>> Single
>> Ended Push Pull Tube Combo 3 Channel" you had listed on eBay, but I
>> haven't received a response yet.
>>
>> As far as the problems with your Akai M8 go, Bill Cohn pretty well 
>> covered
>> most of my "opinions", but I will go over them again anyway.
>>
>> As Bill noted R28 is part of the bias oscillator circuit, which isn't
>> needed when using the amplifiers alone.  The most likely cause of R28
>> overheating is serious leakage in C29, but I would say just pull the 6AR5
>> and be done with it if you aren't using the recorder function.
>>
>> That raises the question of how you have the M8 electronics package
>> configured for use as a stereo amplifier?  Have you made any 
>> modifications
>> to facilitate this?  Unlike some other recorders it appears that the M8
>> doesn't make provision for a mode allowing it to be used as an amplifier,
>> a few simple modifications would be in order to facilitate such use with
>> the best results.
>>
>> Assuming the voltage reducing transformer is in use and set correctly, 
>> the
>> most likely causes of overheating in the power transformer are bad
>> electrolytic capacitors in the power supply, or a leaky coupling 
>> capacitor
>> feeding the grid of the 6BQ5.  You can tell which it is by measuring the
>> cathode voltage of the 6BQ5, if the voltage is higher than normal then 
>> the
>> coupling capacitor is likely to be the problem.  Or if you have a high
>> impedance voltmeter you can check the 6BQ5 grid voltage, if there is the
>> slightest hint of positive voltage on the grid then you most likely have 
>> a
>> leaky coupling capacitor.
>>
>> As far as the lack of output in one channel goes, I would first replace
>> the coupling capacitors, and check to see that the B+ voltage is normal,
>> then check the values of all the relevant resistors, and if that doesn't
>> turn up the problem I would proceed from there.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Byrns
>>
>>
>> Surf my web pages at,  http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/
>
>
> heads up guys- I misread the schematic- the cap that was soldered in
> backwards was C7- 20 mf- and the resistor that showed overheating was
> R22- 5K ohm
>
> furthermore- since I got this deck, it seemed to play "ok" with
> headphones albeit reduced output from the bad channel- but when hooked
> to the external speakers, can't drive them as well and becomes
> distorted at high volume setting- and exhibits low output volume
> compared to my other Akai M8
>
> I'm going to change all the coupling caps next, and also the caps on
> the volume controls
> 




Article: 335085 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e5dafc$1bv$1@news2.kornet.net>
Subject: Re: Ow or Wow?
Message-ID: <DTteg.3795$7e.3293@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:28:35 GMT

Kind of what I think of them. 1st-generation ghetto blasters.

Of course, I never restored the one I got years ago. It's on the "to-do" 
list. I might think better of it in rebuilt form.

Ray

"Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
news:e5dafc$1bv$1@news2.kornet.net...
>
> "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com> wrote in message 
> news:8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>> Maybe I should dig out my old one and fix it...
>>
>> Are these really that sought after?
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6632112694
>>
>
> HO-LY SHITE!!!!  Those radios generally go for about 10% of that... and 
> they're POS radios.. nowhere near as good as the AM-only counterparts.
>
>
> 




Article: 335086 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: WTMA-AM 1250 Charleston, SC, anniversary day tomorrow...
From: Larry <noone@home.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97D1F00C9F3D8noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:35:38 -0400

Anyone in range of 5KW WTMA-AM, 1250 Khz, in Charleston, SC, might want to 
warm up the filaments and give a listen in the morning and again at 3PM as 
they replace the normal local gripe radio talking heads with a program 
about the station's history since its inception in 1939.  Promised are 
interviews with station employees and lots of old tapes from the 40's, 
50's, 60's (when the station was THE rock station here) and up to the 
present awful bitch-bitch-bitch talk format common to AM today, where they 
say "News Talk 1250 - WTMA" about 100 times every 10 minutes so you don't 
forget the station's licensed called letters or what frequency your RF amp 
is tuned to.  They're awful proud of that callsign and frequency..(d^:)

Might be a fun listen.  I'm listening on my 1939 Motorola 41D portable, 
which is native to Charleston its whole life since the station came 
alive....(c;

73 DE W4CSC

NNNN



Article: 335087 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Ungluing, then regluing, badly glued wood parts?
References: <Q5-dnc6kKMf2k_fZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@giganews.com>   <f6edne8MMdxik_fZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <1147802795.573844.216180@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <RLqag.76910$gE.40545@dukeread06> <126kg93aecrr3cf@corp.supernews.com> <TXuag.3097$x4.159@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <n_OdndyrCpiL1urZRVn-sg@giganews.com> <5b8f7211frvk49jlkj0v1s0amml8b23bdl@4ax.com> <B6-dnTqzlJB8meTZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@giganews.com> <bnvi721ssqk85nosdoi7l354e3a10cbkv4@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <31ueg.8067$uM4.4149@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 03:38:39 GMT



Alan Douglas wrote:

> Hi,
>    Resorcinol is similar to Bakelite, impervious to almost anything.

Are we talking about the same stuff here?

http://chemfinder.cambridgesoft.com/result.asp?mol_rel_id=108-46-3

Jeff


-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 335088 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:42:06 -0700
Message-ID: <sbrk72ljqbvuc4bvd6lfpgtppi8hoomfij@4ax.com>
References: <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com> <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com> <kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com> <lJ1eg.2295$Oh1.1679@news01.roc.ny> <prgh72dqp6habpsd09nle30th7qrmng5rp@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2805061050180001@216-80-74-228.d.enteract.com> <h2lj72h0ucosfj2pvh74v8oc05vhh9bk88@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2805061555230001@216-80-74-35.d.enteract.com> <e5d538$55$1@news2.kornet.net>

On Mon, 29 May 2006 06:37:11 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
<brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote:

>The only thing that MAY put off the demise of analog television is if the 
>sheeple get off their arses and away from the TV long enough to call or 
>write their elected representatives and let them know they can't afford to 
>upgrade all their televisions to DTV. With the cutoff as is, it's going to 
>be like the 50's again, with just one television per household in many 
>(most?) cases. <snip>

Actually, that might be a GOOD thing.>


Article: 335089 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:45:08 -0700
Message-ID: <tgrk721j5ti25t7skamcmbncnobbmd43jv@4ax.com>
References: <jbyrns-2805061552200001@216-80-74-35.d.enteract.com> <15714-447A2A5B-428@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>

On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:55:23 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>A Wing Nut is anybody who is in the U.S.Air Force or Air National
>Guard.Sayyyy,,,,, did I ever tell y'all about  my WAF girlfriend at
>Scott Air Force Base,Illinois? <snip>

No, a "wing nut" is a rabid right wing crazy person, one who likes to
listen to morons like Rush Limpdick and Bill O'Reilly...THAT kind of
"wing nut."


Article: 335090 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Akai M8 problem-question-discolored resistor-PING-J.Byrns-J.Stone
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:50:20 -0700
Message-ID: <eprk72tufn875h0blehig0i0qel9bfjcji@4ax.com>
References: <1148643715.116566.232220@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148645019.544991.197950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148645832.577404.258620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148653361.190982.88990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148660593.060862.326040@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1148667214.877057.218100@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4vre72t0vo938ikssr2chg8aq7li778l4f@4ax.com> <1148727606.225228.62440@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <447A5FB7.A7DBABBA@earthlink.net>

On Mon, 29 May 2006 02:43:04 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>CAINE wrote:
>> 
>> "never take advice from someone living in Florida- they can't even
>> punch a clean hole in a voting card- let alone work on radios"
>
>
>   The last gasp of a failed argument?  You know that you're wrong, but
>it would kill you to admit it. <snip>

I posted a few "wrong" posts over in the other troll group where
Noodles lives, and he just POUNCES on anything he sees as wrong.  So,
since he is quite obviously wrong, I think your responses to this
idiot should be more forceful...either that, or make him drink from
one of the pollutes streams or that septic mudpuddles in his
area..."Dumbs" PA.


Article: 335091 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Brief Hiatus
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:51:41 -0700
Message-ID: <qtrk72hsk4dntm476aoeu3u04se4tpsl0q@4ax.com>
References: <1148854871.088274.16720@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <18384-447A2625-569@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>

On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:37:25 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>There was a guy by the last name of Polzy (spelling,you can't spell
>Pennsylvania anyway,it's Penns Woods) in boot camp.He was from somewhere
>in Penns Woods.I sort of know a guy my age,(sixty four) he is from
>Croatia. [German by ancestry] I guess he thinks he is a Penns
>Woodisian,but although he became an American in 1949 or 1950,he will
>never be a real Ameican. <snip>

Why...he's too smart?  Most Americans are pretty stupid, that's right.


Article: 335092 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Anyone know about American Beauty Radio and tubes?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:06:43 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447A7353-457@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148874326.719696.86820@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

I own two big old American Beauty soldering irons.They work too.
cuhulin



Article: 335093 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:10:54 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447A744E-459@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <sbrk72ljqbvuc4bvd6lfpgtppi8hoomfij@4ax.com>

U.S.fed govt.All about Ruining everything.
Pogo Possum said it right,,,,,
We Have Met The Enemy And He Is Us.
cuhulin



Article: 335094 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Ow or Wow?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:16:37 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447A75A5-460@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

$305.00 for that? Heckkkkkkkk NO!
cuhulin



Article: 335095 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Gordon Richmond <richmond@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: Ungluing, then regluing, badly glued wood parts?
Message-ID: <n13l72t7d4vln9ahbf3s6plc6q55cum07j@4ax.com>
References: <f6edne8MMdxik_fZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <1147802795.573844.216180@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <RLqag.76910$gE.40545@dukeread06> <126kg93aecrr3cf@corp.supernews.com> <TXuag.3097$x4.159@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <n_OdndyrCpiL1urZRVn-sg@giganews.com> <5b8f7211frvk49jlkj0v1s0amml8b23bdl@4ax.com> <B6-dnTqzlJB8meTZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@giganews.com> <bnvi721ssqk85nosdoi7l354e3a10cbkv4@4ax.com> <zpidnZEWb66q9-fZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 05:54:45 GMT

>>   Resorcinol is similar to Bakelite, impervious to almost anything.
>
>Tough stuff, indeed. I did a little research and it appears to be ranked 
>right up there with epoxy.
>
>Plan B, here we come!
>
>Phil Nelson
>
You don't suppose chilling the glue line with dry ice or liquid nitrogen would make it so
brittle it could be easily snapped?

I remember using Resorcinol glue when building a model boat.

Gordon Richmond


Article: 335096 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Ow or Wow?
References: <8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <1148867511.000115.260550@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Vcweg.37129$qd2.24163@bignews6.bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 01:08:40 -0500

Beloved Leader wrote:
> Handsome radio. The handle looks to be in new condition. Is is leather
> or vinyl? When did the manufacturers stop putting Conelrad markings on
> the dial?
> 
> Price seems, uh, high.
> 
> 
Agreed on all counts; and this listing contains one of my pet peeves. 
It's really annoying to click a link promising a 'larger image' only to 
get one that is only incrementally larger...if at all.

Why do they do that?



From oldradio-at-wi.rr.com Mon May 29 13:20:42 EDT 2006
Article: 335097 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Reply-To: "James Hilins" <oldradio-at-wi.rr.com>
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See Photo in Binaries Group

I need to locate a dial face, escutiuon, and knobs for this radio.
Anyone out there have such things?



Jim




Article: 335098 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <127fc734h504t5a@corp.supernews.com> <19937-4477EB00-269@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: A Question
Message-ID: <EiCeg.2090$hv1.2061@trnddc01>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:03:32 GMT

So what's the proper way to respond to trolls, flames, or any other type of 
unwanted messages?

Here's MY response:

"





                                                                             
                  "

If everyone responded that that type of answer, the problem would be licked.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com



"Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:19937-4477EB00-269@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net...
> This has noting to do with old equipment . What makes you post this type
> stuff ? You seem to know how to restore things well and correct peoples
> mistakes regularly so why do you post this knowing it will create
> hundreds of worthless responses .
>
> Stop or get out .
>
> You know better ?? post only vintage equipment related things here and
> nothing but vintage equipment things here .
> 




Article: 335099 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <1148867511.000115.260550@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Ow or Wow?
Message-ID: <VtCeg.2091$hv1.636@trnddc01>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:15:33 GMT

To answer your questions about the Civil Defense marks, I don't know the 
exact date, but it was about 1963.  The reason I know this is because I own 
a 64 Thunderbird.  The original radio did not have these markings, nor do 
any radios in the 65 and 66 Birds, even though they're interchangeable. 
However I've been told that the very first few 64 radios had them, but were 
removed when the program was dropped.  One day I came across a junk 64 radio 
WITH the marks, and naturally I cleaned up the dial and installed it on my 
64.  Since my car was built in January 1964, and of course the radios, and 
radio parts, had to have been built before that, this would place the 
decision sometime in 1963.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com





"Beloved Leader" <Kim_Jong_Il@volcanomail.com> wrote in message 
news:1148867511.000115.260550@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Handsome radio. The handle looks to be in new condition. Is is leather
> or vinyl? When did the manufacturers stop putting Conelrad markings on
> the dial?
>
> Price seems, uh, high.
> 




Article: 335100 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 06:52:44 -0700
Message-ID: <v3vl72h6jqb1laj0k5d6ij31h9ki37i1gj@4ax.com>
References: <sbrk72ljqbvuc4bvd6lfpgtppi8hoomfij@4ax.com> <8237-447A744E-459@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>

On Sun, 28 May 2006 23:10:54 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>U.S.fed govt.All about Ruining everything.
>Pogo Possum said it right,,,,,
>We Have Met The Enemy And He Is Us. <snip>

Right attribution, wrong quote:

"We have met the enemy...and it are us!"

Correct, from Walt Kelly's "Pogo" strip many years ago.


Article: 335101 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Caveat Lector" <UALLBeware@9984reader.com>
References: <127fc734h504t5a@corp.supernews.com> <19937-4477EB00-269@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <EiCeg.2090$hv1.2061@trnddc01>
Subject: Re: A Question
Message-ID: <gjDeg.177912$bm6.164354@fed1read04>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 07:12:30 -0700

Au contraire Gary
The best response is NO RESPONSE
Drives em nuts

-- 
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:EiCeg.2090$hv1.2061@trnddc01...
> So what's the proper way to respond to trolls, flames, or any other type 
> of unwanted messages?
>
> Here's MY response:
>
> "
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> "
>
> If everyone responded that that type of answer, the problem would be 
> licked.
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
>
>
> "Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> wrote in message 
> news:19937-4477EB00-269@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net...
>> This has noting to do with old equipment . What makes you post this type
>> stuff ? You seem to know how to restore things well and correct peoples
>> mistakes regularly so why do you post this knowing it will create
>> hundreds of worthless responses .
>>
>> Stop or get out .
>>
>> You know better ?? post only vintage equipment related things here and
>> nothing but vintage equipment things here .
>>
>
> 




Article: 335102 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: 16b Chassis
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1148779021.194285.305540@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1148850637.164233.258450@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <GlDeg.995801$xm3.498828@attbi_s21>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:15:03 GMT

In article <1148850637.164233.258450@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
n9vu@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>Absolutely correct.  Funny thing is I get this EMAIL from the seller
>stating that they will give me a price for the item I bought (the
>chassis) plus shipping in a crate!!   I said WOE, the chassis in a
>crate?   Seems a bit extreme.   The seller just EMAILed appologizing
>and stated that was meant for the winner of the cabinet.
>
>Anyone want a spare 16b chassis?   Let me know.
>
Ken G wants the escutcheon from the cabinet
John



Article: 335103 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <447B0391.410AE357@cbfamily.net>
From: chuck <chuck_brown@cbfamily.net>
Subject: Re: NOT !!!  Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
References: <vbJbg.36281$mh.29156@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:11 GMT

New radios with all bells + whistles
cheaper then a 20yr old as is doa rig

what kills hamfests is lack of interest

buyers of estate gear at dirp cheap prices
that markup to sell on ebay and hamfests.





Article: 335104 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net>
Subject: Re: NOT !!!  Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
Message-ID: <an5m72lmjihgkbgm6rbgc32ki84e1m5neb@4ax.com>
References: <vbJbg.36281$mh.29156@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1148583368.842258.23140@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <z8qdg.990724$xm3.411652@attbi_s21> <1148640796.729981.50510@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <447B0391.410AE357@cbfamily.net>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:43:53 GMT

On Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:11 GMT, chuck <chuck_brown@cbfamily.net> wrote:

>New radios with all bells + whistles
>cheaper then a 20yr old as is doa rig

And even cheaper when you buy it at the Hamvention - same rig in the store a
day later is $50 more...

>what kills hamfests is lack of interest

Sure, but the reason for the lack of interest is the crux of the situation.

>buyers of estate gear at dirp cheap prices
>that markup to sell on ebay and hamfests.

Some people gotta make a buck...  But the Hamvention is coming back, I think -
there were _definitely_ more people there than last year, and equal or more
exhibitors both in the flea market and inside.  We may yet get back to the
state of affairs where there's 30,000 people coming to the Hamvention again,
complete with a banquet and free buses, and buses to the motels.  We can hope -
its a great weekend.

We do need more ham radio gear and less outright junk in the flea market, tho.

Dave Head 


Article: 335105 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <1148914774.245469.311870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
Message-ID: <AEEeg.11946$8T4.9924@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:43:28 GMT


"EthanInNC" <ethaninnc@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1148914774.245469.311870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Well, you have my deepest apologies. When I did a search to find groups
> that previously had messages related to the 4870, 4880, or 4885, this
> was the only group that did. On several occasions.
>
> I will withdraw my request and wait another half century before wasting
> your time again.
>
> Ethan
>

Don't let a few folks try to scare you away.

Most people here are open-minded enough to realize the members of this group can and 
do help serve the needs of those with "collectible" radios, TVs, phonos, etc., 
regardless of the specific name of the group or the out-of-date charter.  The term 
"antique" has been debated many times here in the past, but no matter what, you can't 
please everyone.  Those who founded the group obviously gave little thought to the 
future of the hobby, the effects of outside influences such as the creation of eBay, 
and the way the newsgroup would have to evolve in order to fit the needs of the 
community.  They created the group to serve their own needs at the time it was 
created.  If certain people want to ignore your request, they can easily do so by 
ignoring the thread.  In any event, your post and request are far more on topic than 
a lot of the other stuff going on here right now.

Your radio and/or the sister models have indeed been discussed here many times 
before.  They were another step in the evolution of radio, and anyone with a 
comprehensive knowledge of radio history will recognize them as such.

The schematic is available from Howard W. Sams, in Photofact 2027-3.  It is still 
protected by copyright, so they are the only legitimate source for this, unless 
someone wants to send you a used copy or a GE factory manual.

www.samswebsite.com

Good luck!

jim menning




Article: 335106 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:20:28 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.29.16.20.27.435353@yahoo.com>
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <1148914774.245469.311870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On Mon, 29 May 2006 07:59:34 -0700, EthanInNC wrote:

> Well, you have my deepest apologies. When I did a search to find groups
> that previously had messages related to the 4870, 4880, or 4885, this was
> the only group that did. On several occasions.
> 
> I will withdraw my request and wait another half century before wasting
> your time again.
> 
> Ethan
Ethan,
Hey, don't go away.  It's not as though you committed some unforgivable
sin by asking about a 1980's radio.  As you see from the discussions that
followed, those who chartered the group apparently grabbed a convenient
date that seemed to most to be a reasonable cutoff. Sorry if I totally
dragged the discussion away from your original question.  I don't have any
information personally on radios newer than around 1960, so I couldn't
help.
Gerald


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Article: 335107 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: 16b Chassis
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:12:31 -0600
Message-ID: <17161-447B1D6F-123@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148850637.164233.258450@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

The cabinet got no bids . I asked the seller if i could buy the esc. off
the cabinet and they said they would put it on ebay with BIN ..  now how
am i supposed to find that !   :-)  



Article: 335108 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: nospam4me@mytrashmail.com (Herb Oxley)
Subject: Re: Why the personal stuff on this newsgroup lately?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:11:16 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e5f9vj$1sl$1@reader1.panix.com>
References: <pan.2006.05.27.04.27.09.586745@yahoo.com> <QEVdg.288$%C6.35@trnddc08>

Gary Tayman <caradio@verizon.net> wrote:
> easy-to-spot website with a moderated message area can be wonderful, if in 
> some way it can attract -- and allow posts from -- new people with these 
> types of questions.  Then if the message area becomes abused, the sources of 
> the abuse can be kicked off.  But this will take the efforts of someone with 
> a lot of extra time, as the biggest abusers have a way of continually coming 
> back with 10,000 different identities.  In other words they are professional 
> abusers.

Then the next steps are those who wish to post to the forum supply their 
phone number with a best time to call AND/OR they can mail a postcard or 
letter requesting posting priveleges.

..a former FidoNet Sysop



-- 
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 Herb Oxley
 From: address IS Valid.


Article: 335109 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: 16b Chassis
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1148850637.164233.258450@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <17161-447B1D6F-123@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <AUGeg.8304$No1.2135@attbi_s71>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:17:04 GMT

In article <17161-447B1D6F-123@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>, 
goodguyy@webtv.net says...
>
>
>The cabinet got no bids . I asked the seller if i could buy the esc. off
>the cabinet and they said they would put it on ebay with BIN ..  now how
>am i supposed to find that !   :-)  
>
If he puts it up for Just You as a BIN then you should get an email
>from ebay telling you to click here for it... if he puts it up
with a BIN for the whole world ... then he should tell you but might
not..

guess then I would go to the Radio category and put in Philco in
the search box .. and sort it in high dollar first... so the auctions
are in money order... then follow it down to the 20 buck range
and it should be there

John k9uwa



Article: 335110 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Huge vintage e-books collection on Usenet
Message-ID: <60jm72pvf8p3r3mjl9euql385457g1hrem@4ax.com>
References: <Xns97D1ECC837CC9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <OKednX_BQrSQkebZRVn-rw@trueband.net>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:31:33 -0400

On Mon, 29 May 2006 10:58:18 -0400, "Tom Mills" <tsmills@pstel.net>
wrote:

>What type of reader do I need to down load e-books?


They are in PDF format Tom.
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
prove it. 


*Used with express written permission of its creator.


Article: 335111 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brian Hill" <good@it.net>
Subject: HBR receiver
Message-ID: <ToIeg.280$rG3.232@fe03.lga>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:59:47 -0500

Hi guys. I just lucked out and got this nice old HBR receiver. I haven't
received it yet but was woundering if any of you recognize it? I checked
Kees site and didn't see any that may resemble it. It lookes very well built
>from the pics. Check it out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9732180863&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1


-- 

Regards
B.H.

Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm





Article: 335112 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: Re: Ow or Wow?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:59:31 +0200
Message-ID: <e5fjrc$b7b$03$1@news.t-online.com>
References: <8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e5dafc$1bv$1@news2.kornet.net> <DTteg.3795$7e.3293@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

Rune wrote

> Kind of what I think of them. 1st-generation ghetto blasters.
>
> Of course, I never restored the one I got years ago. It's on the
"to-do"
> list. I might think better of it in rebuilt form.
>

Ray,

or others ...

do you have the type of that radio handy?

Thank you very much in advance.

Kind Regards,
Georg




Article: 335113 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: Q: Special Service Broadcast Receiver 5SD2 or SSD2 ... Manufacturer?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:15:23 +0200
Message-ID: <e5fkp4$d8s$03$1@news.t-online.com>

Hi all,

I have posted pictures on a.b.p.r ... if you have no access please
email.

Unlike other military receivers no brand labeled.

Not mine, but I have to verify.

Any information is welcome, thank you.

Kind Regards,
Georg




Article: 335114 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: GE "Musaphonic" AA5
References: <C_SdnSDii_v71-bZRVn-ig@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <R8Jeg.88136$H71.3015@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:50:57 GMT

Mark Oppat wrote:

> So,  I decide this set cant be scrapped.  It had a shorted 50C5, a weak
> 35W4,  and I change out the AC bypass and audio coupling cap.  Left the
> filter cap, it plays with no hum...  What a GREAT garage radio!  Great
> fidelity.
> Too bad its worth nothing...

> Mark Oppat

Mark,

Welcome to the club....<grin>.

Your radio reminds me of my Zenith H845( )table radio. Real walnut wood 
case, shock mounted tuner assembly,  negative feedback winding on the 
output transformer, TWO speakers (an 8" and a tweeter) and EIGHT(!) 
tubes plus a selenium (9 tubes if it would have had a 35W4)...and it's 
worth nothing. Go figure.


Article: 335115 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e5dafc$1bv$1@news2.kornet.net> <DTteg.3795$7e.3293@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <e5fjrc$b7b$03$1@news.t-online.com>
Subject: Re: Ow or Wow?
Message-ID: <OvJeg.1833$%h.517@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:15:26 GMT

Type? Model is P-865 (with usual A, B, etc. after it, depending on date made 
(version, modification.)

Ray

"Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote in message 
news:e5fjrc$b7b$03$1@news.t-online.com...
> Rune wrote
>
>> Kind of what I think of them. 1st-generation ghetto blasters.
>>
>> Of course, I never restored the one I got years ago. It's on the
> "to-do"
>> list. I might think better of it in rebuilt form.
>>
>
> Ray,
>
> or others ...
>
> do you have the type of that radio handy?
>
> Thank you very much in advance.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Georg
>
> 




Article: 335116 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <C_SdnSDii_v71-bZRVn-ig@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: GE "Musaphonic" AA5
Message-ID: <LSJeg.4088$7e.824@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:39:55 GMT

The Musaphonic series are overlooked gems. Sleepers. Most are 6-tubers, have 
phono inputs, and were for the serious (if low-end) listener. They have way 
better bass and overall sound than the regular sets but people buy what 
strikes their eyes/fancy and most of the Musaphonics are not eye-catchers. 
Some are sort of ugly to today's eyes.

They also fall into that later period where radios were just something to 
make noise, catch a ballgame, or wake you up, were cheap, sounded bad, and 
they don't look like neat old antiques or cool "jet age" stuff.

Without knowing that these are exceptions it's easy to pass them by as 
eyesores or anonymous junkers, hence they sit on tables at flea markets and 
on eBay and go for $5-10 when they go at all.

It's kind of ironic that people will bid up cheesy little Japanese AA5s (is 
that a contradiction?) that will sound awful no matte what and pass nice GE, 
Zenith, and Motorola ones by as "common junk." I guess it depends upon 
whether you buy them to hear or to display.

Ray


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:C_SdnSDii_v71-bZRVn-ig@comcast.com...
>I got this junky table radio in  a recent pile of stuff.  So, I go to scrap
> it out... you know, steal the speaker and output tranny.   I had tried the
> set and it played distorted so I figured just junk it,  the cabinet is
> cracked, the knob bright is missing on the tuning pointer and its nothing
> but a cheap AA5, right?
>
> First, I notice the speaker is a 5" cone, one inch larger than the usual.
> Then, I see the tranny was on the chassis not the speaker, and it has 7
> leads!  So, I suspected this was a better than average AA5, so I pulled 
> the
> schematic.  sure enough,  the output tranny supplied a feedback loop to 
> the
> preamp stage thru the volume control (note its a 4 meg , tapped at 2 meg
> that doubles as a phono input control!).
> Also the tranny is used as a filter choke,  similar to many German radios 
> I
> see.
>
> So,  I decide this set cant be scrapped.  It had a shorted 50C5, a weak
> 35W4,  and I change out the AC bypass and audio coupling cap.  Left the
> filter cap, it plays with no hum...  What a GREAT garage radio!  Great
> fidelity.
> Too bad its worth nothing...
>
> pix in the binaries
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>
> 




Article: 335117 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken <wklwns@cox.net>
Subject: Re: GE "Musaphonic" AA5
References: <C_SdnSDii_v71-bZRVn-ig@comcast.com> <C0A0C920.495E4%jmsent2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9VJeg.1894$f76.884@dukeread06>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:42:29 -0400

They DO use the OT as a filter device by running the pri AC through it. 
The hum bucker winding is in the speaker circuit only.  Ken

John Stone wrote:

> I picked up a non-descript 50's Motorola with an oversize speaker. 6 tubes:
> 2-12AV6  ,12BE6, 12BA6, 2-35C5. Used a selenium rectifier. P-P 35C5's can be
> pretty impressive. That radio really sounded good and played loud.
> As for the extra winding on the OT, I think it's more accurate to refer to
> it as a hum bucking winding rather than a filter choke.
> 
> 
> On 5/29/06 2:59 PM, in article C_SdnSDii_v71-bZRVn-ig@comcast.com, "Mark
> Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote:
> 
> 
>>I got this junky table radio in  a recent pile of stuff.  So, I go to scrap
>>it out... you know, steal the speaker and output tranny.   I had tried the
>>set and it played distorted so I figured just junk it,  the cabinet is
>>cracked, the knob bright is missing on the tuning pointer and its nothing
>>but a cheap AA5, right?
>>
>> First, I notice the speaker is a 5" cone, one inch larger than the usual.
>>Then, I see the tranny was on the chassis not the speaker, and it has 7
>>leads!  So, I suspected this was a better than average AA5, so I pulled the
>>schematic.  sure enough,  the output tranny supplied a feedback loop to the
>>preamp stage thru the volume control (note its a 4 meg , tapped at 2 meg
>>that doubles as a phono input control!).
>>Also the tranny is used as a filter choke,  similar to many German radios I
>>see.
>>
>>So,  I decide this set cant be scrapped.  It had a shorted 50C5, a weak
>>35W4,  and I change out the AC bypass and audio coupling cap.  Left the
>>filter cap, it plays with no hum...  What a GREAT garage radio!  Great
>>fidelity.
>>Too bad its worth nothing...
>>
>>pix in the binaries
>>
>>Mark Oppat
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 



Article: 335118 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <C_SdnSDii_v71-bZRVn-ig@comcast.com> <C0A0C920.495E4%jmsent2@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: GE "Musaphonic" AA5
Message-ID: <73Keg.3958$ci.3166@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:53:07 GMT

There was another version of it with an RF amp and a 3-section tuning cap. 
Got 3 here.

They don't sound as good as the Musaphonics, though. Nice, but not as clear 
and with muted bass. Speech sounds gritty. Like the Zeniths with the 6X9 
speakers they are pleasant but not great. Loud, yes, but the transformer is 
too small. I considered trying a transformer from a B&H projector to see if 
it helped but never got around to it.

I never cared much for GE but I will give them credit for a few nice models 
I only recently discovered are worth looking into.

Ray

"John Stone" <jmsent2@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:C0A0C920.495E4%jmsent2@comcast.net...
>I picked up a non-descript 50's Motorola with an oversize speaker. 6 tubes:
> 2-12AV6  ,12BE6, 12BA6, 2-35C5. Used a selenium rectifier. P-P 35C5's can 
> be
> pretty impressive. That radio really sounded good and played loud.
> As for the extra winding on the OT, I think it's more accurate to refer to
> it as a hum bucking winding rather than a filter choke.
>
>
> On 5/29/06 2:59 PM, in article C_SdnSDii_v71-bZRVn-ig@comcast.com, "Mark
> Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote:
>
>> I got this junky table radio in  a recent pile of stuff.  So, I go to 
>> scrap
>> it out... you know, steal the speaker and output tranny.   I had tried 
>> the
>> set and it played distorted so I figured just junk it,  the cabinet is
>> cracked, the knob bright is missing on the tuning pointer and its nothing
>> but a cheap AA5, right?
>>
>>  First, I notice the speaker is a 5" cone, one inch larger than the 
>> usual.
>> Then, I see the tranny was on the chassis not the speaker, and it has 7
>> leads!  So, I suspected this was a better than average AA5, so I pulled 
>> the
>> schematic.  sure enough,  the output tranny supplied a feedback loop to 
>> the
>> preamp stage thru the volume control (note its a 4 meg , tapped at 2 meg
>> that doubles as a phono input control!).
>> Also the tranny is used as a filter choke,  similar to many German radios 
>> I
>> see.
>>
>> So,  I decide this set cant be scrapped.  It had a shorted 50C5, a weak
>> 35W4,  and I change out the AC bypass and audio coupling cap.  Left the
>> filter cap, it plays with no hum...  What a GREAT garage radio!  Great
>> fidelity.
>> Too bad its worth nothing...
>>
>> pix in the binaries
>>
>> Mark Oppat
>>
>>
>>
> 




Article: 335119 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <5pydnU3o3Yl5xebZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@adelphia.com>
Subject: Re: looking for an RCA 45 phono motor
Message-ID: <R5Keg.4089$7e.2094@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:56:01 GMT

If it's not rusted it is probably just frozen from dry lube. Have you tried 
oil and letting it soak/penetrate?

Ray

"David" <davewt@adelphia.net> wrote in message 
news:5pydnU3o3Yl5xebZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
> Hi all
> Does anyone have a RCA phono motor for the RP190 45 rpm changer they want 
> to sell?
> It needs to be the 117 volt version. (Some were made to operate at 85 
> volts for the amps that had a 6SQ7 and 25L6 tubes.)
> I need the 117 volt version.
> I have one that can't be taken apart and it is frozen up. (No screws and 
> nuts like they normally have.)
> Dave
> 




Article: 335120 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Huge vintage e-books collection on Usenet
From: Larry <noone@home.com>
References: <Xns97D1ECC837CC9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <OKednX_BQrSQkebZRVn-rw@trueband.net>
Message-ID: <Xns97D2B902CCAACnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:10:59 -0400

"Tom Mills" <tsmills@pstel.net> wrote in news:OKednX_BQrSQkebZRVn-
rw@trueband.net:

> What type of reader do I need to down load e-books?
> 

Wow...all kinds of smartass answers but no answers to your question, Tom.

To download the binaries, I recommend Xnews from http://xnews.newsguy.com 
which is free.  The manual is there, too.  It's easy once you do a little 
reading.  Xnews will download the headers, assemble them into a single 
line, you click the Q field on the list to indicate the ones you want and 
click the Rubix cube icon at the bottom for Xnews to start downloading 
the que as you clicked them, putting them where you tell it to from the 
popup window.

The acrobat .pdf files are directly readable after download with Adobe's 
Acrobat Reader, also free, from www.adobe.com if you don't already have 
it loaded as it's part of Windows XP, now.  You only need the basic, free 
version to read any of these files.

Some files are compressed with WinRAR into a RAR group.  Winrar is from 
http://www.rarlabs.com and you can download a trial version which will 
operate a month, I think, before you must buy it.  WinRAR checks the 
whole file stack for accuracy and if it's not correct, warns you.  It 
doesn't do a great job repairing it, that's the PAR and PAR2 files' job 
posted with most rar sets.

To correct errors, the par files the poster included run free with 
Quickpar.  Once installed, Quickpar takes over automatically any par 
files you doubleclick on.  Check AUTOREPAIR and it will go from checking 
the files directly to repairing the errors by itself.  It's uncanny how 
par files can correct trashed binary files from Usenet.  Quickpar is 
from:
http://www.quickpar.org.uk/
It's freeware.

This should get you started....well, until all the disk drives are 
stuffed and you're on your way to get more and a DVD burner...(c;

Sorry for the ignorant posters trying to trash your downloading.  Totally 
unnecessary....



Article: 335121 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: WTMA-AM 1250 Charleston, SC, anniversary day tomorrow...
From: Larry <noone@home.com>
References: <Xns97D1F00C9F3D8noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <1148887208.079406.92140@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97D2B937B614noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:12:12 -0400

"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in 
news:1148887208.079406.92140@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> That seems to be an excellent situation for you, and very fitting. Have
> a fun time celebrating, Larry!
> 

It was great!  I heard many DJs from back in the 60's when I came to town.  
Love those old station IDs before the computers took over station 
management...(c;



Article: 335122 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Huge vintage e-books collection on Usenet
From: bele2009 <electro_boy@hotmail.com>
References: <Xns97D1ECC837CC9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Message-ID: <Xns97D2C5DDD7E78electroboyhotmailcom@205.237.233.50>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:26:04 GMT

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
news:Xns97D1ECC837CC9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253: 

> Just thought you guys would like to know someone posted an amazing
> array of vintage radio and electronics books, including the Beitmans,
> to newsgroup: 
> 
> alt.binaries.e-book.technical
> 
> Also posted recently is an amazing array of ARRL articles on the same 
> newsgroup.
> 
> Bon Appetit!
> 
> Larry W4CSC
> Bandwidth IS our FRIEND!


I don't see this group on my news server :( (news.videotron.ca)

Is there another news server I can access who has this group ?

Thanks,

Eric


Article: 335123 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Huge vintage e-books collection on Usenet
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:09:08 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.05.30.00.09.04.431126@yahoo.com>
References: <Xns97D1ECC837CC9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <Xns97D2C5DDD7E78electroboyhotmailcom@205.237.233.50>

On Mon, 29 May 2006 23:26:04 +0000, bele2009 wrote:

> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
> news:Xns97D1ECC837CC9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253:
> 
>> Just thought you guys would like to know someone posted an amazing array
>> of vintage radio and electronics books, including the Beitmans, to
>> newsgroup:
>> 
>> alt.binaries.e-book.technical
>> 
>> Also posted recently is an amazing array of ARRL articles on the same
>> newsgroup.
>> 
>> Bon Appetit!
>> 
>> Larry W4CSC
>> Bandwidth IS our FRIEND!
> 
> 
> I don't see this group on my news server :( (news.videotron.ca)
> 
> Is there another news server I can access who has this group ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Eric
Try Teranews.  It's on their server.


*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***


Article: 335124 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Huge vintage e-books collection on Usenet
Message-ID: <o96n725ln35htb1vv65tgc1vhn717kvvug@4ax.com>
References: <Xns97D1ECC837CC9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <OKednX_BQrSQkebZRVn-rw@trueband.net> <Xns97D2B902CCAACnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:04:43 -0400


Actually none of the radio books seem to be rar'd so you can skip that
advice. They are either DJVU or PDF's. Most folks have adobe. If not
you can get it from adobe's web site. You can also download a DJVU
reader plugin for your browser. You can find it by doing a search for
it with Google. Also, you might try Forte Agent for a news reader it
has built in Yenc support. If you can read messages in this group you
should be able to download those messages with the same reader you are
using now.


On Mon, 29 May 2006 18:10:59 -0400, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>"Tom Mills" <tsmills@pstel.net> wrote in news:OKednX_BQrSQkebZRVn-
>rw@trueband.net:
>
>> What type of reader do I need to down load e-books?
>> 
>
>Wow...all kinds of smartass answers but no answers to your question, Tom.
>
>To download the binaries, I recommend Xnews from http://xnews.newsguy.com 
>which is free.  The manual is there, too.  It's easy once you do a little 
>reading.  Xnews will download the headers, assemble them into a single 
>line, you click the Q field on the list to indicate the ones you want and 
>click the Rubix cube icon at the bottom for Xnews to start downloading 
>the que as you clicked them, putting them where you tell it to from the 
>popup window.
>
>The acrobat .pdf files are directly readable after download with Adobe's 
>Acrobat Reader, also free, from www.adobe.com if you don't already have 
>it loaded as it's part of Windows XP, now.  You only need the basic, free 
>version to read any of these files.
>
>Some files are compressed with WinRAR into a RAR group.  Winrar is from 
>http://www.rarlabs.com and you can download a trial version which will 
>operate a month, I think, before you must buy it.  WinRAR checks the 
>whole file stack for accuracy and if it's not correct, warns you.  It 
>doesn't do a great job repairing it, that's the PAR and PAR2 files' job 
>posted with most rar sets.
>
>To correct errors, the par files the poster included run free with 
>Quickpar.  Once installed, Quickpar takes over automatically any par 
>files you doubleclick on.  Check AUTOREPAIR and it will go from checking 
>the files directly to repairing the errors by itself.  It's uncanny how 
>par files can correct trashed binary files from Usenet.  Quickpar is 
>from:
>http://www.quickpar.org.uk/
>It's freeware.
>
>This should get you started....well, until all the disk drives are 
>stuffed and you're on your way to get more and a DVD burner...(c;
>
>Sorry for the ignorant posters trying to trash your downloading.  Totally 
>unnecessary....

__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
prove it. 


*Used with express written permission of its creator.


Article: 335125 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Another Seller Who Needs to Look Up the Word "Auction"
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:00:26 -0400
Message-ID: <127n69l5ns4ipd4@corp.supernews.com>

Nice radio, and even might be worth a grand or more, but STARTING at 2 
grand?

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1930-s-Wells-Gardner-6F-16-tube-2-chassis-radio_W0QQitemZ6633623973

John H. 




Article: 335126 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <1148950192.351006.181430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: anyone here troublshoot a cordless phone before?
Message-ID: <2UMeg.4003$xO5.2420@trnddc03>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 01:06:06 GMT

Just for kicks, I'd kick it and go buy a new one.

I have no idea what a discreet transistor is doing in a modern phone, but I 
would assume it's probably part of a voltage regulator.  You're certainly 
welcome to pull it out and check it, and if bad, replace it, and if by some 
miracle the phone starts working, congratulations.  However devices like 
this are generally made up of dedicated IC's, and possibly even a flash ROM 
of some sort which may have its programming corrupted.  Even if you 
determined the bad IC, and even if you could get a replacement, after time 
and materials it's more cost effective to buy a new phone.  Yes it can be 
rewarding to service your own gizmos, but items like this are simply not 
condusive to the hobbyist.  That's why us tinkerers stick with old radios.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




"billccm" <billccm@msn.com> wrote in message 
news:1148950192.351006.181430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hello All:
>
> I have a Panasonic Cordless Phone model KX-TG2248S on  the bench. It's
> symptom is a flashing "E3" error code and no operation.
>
> I have 3.3 Vcc at several test points, but near where the 6V B+ enterts
> the PCB, there is a transistor that looks a bit overheated, and
> measures a short on C, B, and E. I have not removed it from the
> circuit, but I am certain it is probably junction shorted. The xsistor
> is marked "D1758" which I think crosses to a NTE2526.
>
> Anyhow, does anyone know what circuit this xsistor is working in
> (perhaps a pass transistor to a regulated circuit)?
>
> Just for kicks, I'd like to troubleshoot and fix this phone.
>
> Thanks for any advice. Take care,
>
> Bill
> 




Article: 335127 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: GE "Musaphonic" AA5
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 19:10:37 -0600
Message-ID: <17161-447B9B8D-138@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
References: <C_SdnSDii_v71-bZRVn-ig@comcast.com>

When i was a young lad we had a brown GE in the kitchen . It was the one
with the speaker portion taller than the rest of the cabiet and a red
spot for a dial light . 
My dad kept taking it to the shop for static .. back then they could not
figure out bad IF cans . 



Article: 335128 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <1148950192.351006.181430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: anyone here troublshoot a cordless phone before?
Message-ID: <IlNeg.25046$Lg.7999@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 01:37:44 GMT


billccm <billccm@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1148950192.351006.181430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I have a Panasonic Cordless Phone model KX-TG2248S on  the bench. It's
>

OH NOOOOoooo, now antique cordless phones????

Ron




Article: 335129 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Red Panty Man" <coverom@kooksonline.com>
References: <vbJbg.36281$mh.29156@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1148583368.842258.23140@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <z8qdg.990724$xm3.411652@attbi_s21> <1148640796.729981.50510@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <447B0391.410AE357@cbfamily.net> <an5m72lmjihgkbgm6rbgc32ki84e1m5neb@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: NOT !!!  Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:54:13 -0400
Message-ID: <2f85a$447ba696$d1cc56c1$20794@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>


"Dave Head" <rally2xs@att.net> wrote in message
news:an5m72lmjihgkbgm6rbgc32ki84e1m5neb@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:11 GMT, chuck <chuck_brown@cbfamily.net> wrote:
>
> >New radios with all bells + whistles
> >cheaper then a 20yr old as is doa rig
>
> And even cheaper when you buy it at the Hamvention - same rig in the store
a
> day later is $50 more...

A savings of $50 is a hill-o-beans when the
radio sells for 5G anyway and is buillt inside
like a cheap VCR (most Icoms fall into this category)




Article: 335130 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>  <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com>  <1148914774.245469.311870@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  <AEEeg.11946$8T4.9924@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1148949714.782846.236320@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
Message-ID: <AoNeg.25048$Lg.9298@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 01:40:48 GMT


EthanInNC <ethaninnc@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
> And, to avoid giving offense to the others, I'll make sure that any
> future posts I make to this group only deal with radios that have a
> gentle orange glow in the back.

Oh what the heck, post whatever you like.
You might as well, someone just posted a message
about an antique cordless phone...

It's the end of the world as we know it...

Would anyone be interested in a moderated group
just for pre WW2 radios?


Ron

--

Radio Collection Web Page,
http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com






Article: 335131 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net>
Subject: Re: NOT !!!  Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
Message-ID: <40an72toi82484mmt3p1931bb88nn2jt6v@4ax.com>
References: <vbJbg.36281$mh.29156@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1148583368.842258.23140@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <z8qdg.990724$xm3.411652@attbi_s21> <1148640796.729981.50510@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <447B0391.410AE357@cbfamily.net> <an5m72lmjihgkbgm6rbgc32ki84e1m5neb@4ax.com> <2f85a$447ba696$d1cc56c1$20794@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 02:04:06 GMT

On Mon, 29 May 2006 21:54:13 -0400, "Red Panty Man" <coverom@kooksonline.com>
wrote:

>
>"Dave Head" <rally2xs@att.net> wrote in message
>news:an5m72lmjihgkbgm6rbgc32ki84e1m5neb@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:11 GMT, chuck <chuck_brown@cbfamily.net> wrote:
>>
>> >New radios with all bells + whistles
>> >cheaper then a 20yr old as is doa rig
>>
>> And even cheaper when you buy it at the Hamvention - same rig in the store
>a
>> day later is $50 more...
>
>A savings of $50 is a hill-o-beans when the
>radio sells for 5G anyway

I was thinking more like a hi-end HT, at maybe $350 instead of the regular
price of $400.

>and is buillt inside
>like a cheap VCR (most Icoms fall into this category)

Not the Kenwoods I buy.  I think ICOM makes some fine radios, too - they're
pretty well respected, and most everybody wants a 756...

Dave Head

Dave Head

>


Article: 335132 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: TELEVISION restorers???
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 19:03:38 -0700
Message-ID: <5u9n72hmol35mt04ltrdoqk0id4vmaqbtm@4ax.com>
References: <Nv6dnQG3muuS2ubZRVn-rg@comcast.com> <1148930208.991923.281260@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <l-adnbvsdoGKGebZnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Mon, 29 May 2006 20:06:09 -0400, "Mark Oppat"
<moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote:

>Ok how do you set the damn clock? <snip>

Go to DOS, type "time" at the command prompt, enter correct time in
HH:MM:SS, "Enter".

If you have XP, yer screwed...well, not really, but it's not as easy.


Article: 335133 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Another Seller Who Needs to Look Up the Word "Auction"
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 19:06:40 -0700
Message-ID: <v4an72pp5h15qc5530pf7bgtgs64t19mhq@4ax.com>
References: <127n69l5ns4ipd4@corp.supernews.com>

On Mon, 29 May 2006 21:00:26 -0400, "Hagstar"
<yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote:

>Nice radio, and even might be worth a grand or more, but STARTING at 2 
>grand?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1930-s-Wells-Gardner-6F-16-tube-2-chassis-radio_W0QQitemZ6633623973 <snip>

Hey, it's fraudBay...home to stupid buyers.


Article: 335134 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Ungluing, then regluing, badly glued wood parts?
References: <Q5-dnc6kKMf2k_fZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@giganews.com>   <f6edne8MMdxik_fZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <1147802795.573844.216180@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <RLqag.76910$gE.40545@dukeread06> <126kg93aecrr3cf@corp.supernews.com> <TXuag.3097$x4.159@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <n_OdndyrCpiL1urZRVn-sg@giganews.com> <5b8f7211frvk49jlkj0v1s0amml8b23bdl@4ax.com> <B6-dnTqzlJB8meTZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@giganews.com> <bnvi721ssqk85nosdoi7l354e3a10cbkv4@4ax.com> <31ueg.8067$uM4.4149@tornado.socal.rr.com> <PfWdnbBBKaIz_ubZ4p2dnA@giganews.com>
Message-ID: <6rOeg.88244$H71.62320@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 02:51:46 GMT

Phil Nelson wrote:
>  Seems like a bit of overkill for a cheap radio cabinet, but
> what do I know about which glues they used in 1946? Maybe Philco got a few 
> trainloads of this stuff as military surplus.
> 
> Phil Nelson

Your surplus theory is probably pretty close to the mark. IIRC, 
resorcinol was invented for and used to assemble the WWII plywood glider 
fleet that was used for the D-Day invasion...

(BTW, from several articles I've read, those gliders were a pretty scary 
proposition. A tip of the hat to the brave men that piloted them and to 
their passengers).


Article: 335135 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net>
References: <1148952551.083979.42610@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: My wife's going to kill me when she finds out.
Message-ID: <SROeg.22245$XV5.14818@fed1read10>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:19:37 -0700

I know the feeling!!!!!!!!!!!!

but much to my wife's credit.... I am still around!!!!

bob in phx
"AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> wrote in message 
news:1148952551.083979.42610@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I offered $150 for a monster Capehart 410H. Very good shape, even has
> owners manual. 20 tubes, 2 big speakers, 3 chassis. The cabinet looks
> like the Capehart Chippendale I saw on a website except I think this
> one is 1939-40. There are small pieces of 78 rpm records under the
> changer, looks like I'll need to do some adjusting.
> 




Article: 335136 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net>
Subject: my wife wanted to kill me once, when I..........(you fill in the blank)
Message-ID: <8TOeg.22246$XV5.16351@fed1read10>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:21:00 -0700

Just wondering what's the most trouble you got in for bringing home 
something radio related.......

bob in phx 




Article: 335137 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <8TOeg.22246$XV5.16351@fed1read10>
Subject: Re: my wife wanted to kill me once, when I..........(you fill in the blank)
Message-ID: <PkPeg.4561$jJ1.2087@newsfe16.lga>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:55:03 -0500


"Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8TOeg.22246$XV5.16351@fed1read10...
> Just wondering what's the most trouble you got in for bringing home
> something radio related.......
>
> bob in phx

Mine was most unhappy (but never to the point of mayhem) when I insisted on
bringing
home what we both think is the UGLIEST radio in the house... a Northern
Electric 1331.
See abpr.  It fascinated me because it has a relay-operated mute system for
tuning between
stations. It's 'way back in the queue...
Cheers,
    Nelson




Article: 335138 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <127n69l5ns4ipd4@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Another Seller Who Needs to Look Up the Word "Auction"
Message-ID: <oNPeg.12016$8T4.4320@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 04:23:48 GMT


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
news:127n69l5ns4ipd4@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Nice radio, and even might be worth a grand or more, but STARTING at 2 grand?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1930-s-Wells-Gardner-6F-16-tube-2-chassis-radio_W0QQitemZ6633623973
>
> John H.
>

Didn't we have the Airline version (#62-197) of this on eBay last fall?  I can't 
remember what it sold for.

jim menning 




Article: 335139 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1148954291.709159.205860@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <nNWdnXTLcavMV-bZRVn-pA@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Philco Radio restoration
Message-ID: <aXPeg.12075$8T4.7081@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 04:34:14 GMT


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:nNWdnXTLcavMV-bZRVn-pA@comcast.com...
>
> where are you located???   The model # you give is not a USA model,  are you
> in Canada?
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>


39-6443?  Sounds like it may even be the Philco part number for the label inside the 
cabinet.

jim menning





Article: 335140 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: TELEVISION restorers???
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:30:20 +0900
Message-ID: <e5gl66$1pv$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <Nv6dnQG3muuS2ubZRVn-rg@comcast.com> <1148930208.991923.281260@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <l-adnbvsdoGKGebZnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@comcast.com> <5u9n72hmol35mt04ltrdoqk0id4vmaqbtm@4ax.com>


"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message 
news:5u9n72hmol35mt04ltrdoqk0id4vmaqbtm@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 29 May 2006 20:06:09 -0400, "Mark Oppat"
> <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote:
>
>>Ok how do you set the damn clock? <snip>
>
> Go to DOS, type "time" at the command prompt, enter correct time in
> HH:MM:SS, "Enter".
>
> If you have XP, yer screwed...well, not really, but it's not as easy.

What you talking about? Setting the time on a computer is as simple as can 
be, and you don't need to touch a command prompt. Just double click on the 
clock in the lower left corner of the screen and a properties window comes 
up.  Just set the time by highlighting the hour/minute/second as needed, 
then use the up/down arrows to set the time, or simply type it in.





Article: 335141 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <127n69l5ns4ipd4@corp.supernews.com> <oNPeg.12016$8T4.4320@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <p-GdnczJGq2AUObZ4p2dnA@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Another Seller Who Needs to Look Up the Word "Auction"
Message-ID: <M3Reg.12533$8T4.940@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 05:51:40 GMT


"graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:p-GdnczJGq2AUObZ4p2dnA@comcast.com...
>
> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
> news:oNPeg.12016$8T4.4320@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
>> news:127n69l5ns4ipd4@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> Nice radio, and even might be worth a grand or more, but STARTING at 2 grand?
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1930-s-Wells-Gardner-6F-16-tube-2-chassis-radio_W0QQitemZ6633623973
>>>
>>> John H.
>>>
>>
>> Didn't we have the Airline version (#62-197) of this on eBay last fall?  I can't 
>> remember what it sold for.
>
> ... not sure if 'we' had it on eBay jim, but I, think it went
>    for over $5,000.00, or was it $500.00 or $50.00, damn,
>    I just can't remember ...
>

I know that it was discussed here on this group at the time it was on eBay.  If 
you're not interested graham, please learn to kill file any post with eBay in it. 
Many of the others here appreciate the chance to see these unusual radios when they 
make their rare appearances.

jim menning





Article: 335142 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: TELEVISION restorers???
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:15:48 +0900
Message-ID: <e5gnrf$2c9$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <Nv6dnQG3muuS2ubZRVn-rg@comcast.com> <1148930208.991923.281260@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <l-adnbvsdoGKGebZnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@comcast.com> <5u9n72hmol35mt04ltrdoqk0id4vmaqbtm@4ax.com> <e5gl66$1pv$1@news2.kornet.net> <pI6dnTM77IZmRubZRVn-jg@comcast.com>


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:pI6dnTM77IZmRubZRVn-jg@comcast.com...
> yup, did it.  Have no idea why it was off..  Thanks for the reminder.  I 
> pay
> no attention to those details usually...  I just use the thing.
>
> Man, its still hot outside!  (Detroit area.)  Feels like New Orleans, 
> where
> I was the beginning of May!
>
> Mark Oppat
>

You're very welcome.
Take care, stay well.




Article: 335143 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:01:59 -0700
Message-ID: <e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <pe6dna8nOqK5AuTZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>

Tom Adkins wrote:
> Tom Adkins wrote:
> 
>>  Recently I've been acquiring test equipment and "stuff" to get back 
>> into the radio hobby. Over the years I've seen a lot of signal 
>> tracers, like the Eico 147 and others. They seem like a good idea but 
>> I've never had or used one. Does anybody here use one with any 
>> regularity? Pros?, Cons?
> 
> 
>  Thanks for all of the input guys. I think I'll get one and give it a try.

I have two of the 147s, a 150 (solid-state version of the 147) and a 
couple of the heathkit models.

In my opinion, one of the best pieces of old-radio test gear you can 
own...makes finding that problem stage a snap.

Apparently a lot of old radio guys agree with me-a 147 in excellent 
condition went for over $50.00 at one of club's donation auctions 
recently. That doesn't sound remarkable until you realize that most 
other pieces of vintage EICO test gear has trouble cracking the $5.00
barrier.

-Scott

-Scott
-- 
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Article: 335144 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <1148989053.597094.122450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: collectors` stories
Message-ID: <vOWeg.15264$Zc7.201995@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:24:11 -0400


"Darkness Swallows Me" <darkness.swallows.me@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1148989053.597094.122450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> hi everyone!!!!
> i`m going to write a book about collectors & antiques, with a special
> focus on the history of small items, how they changed throw the years
> and how they changed the relationships between people.
> for instance: razor blade, which in the old days men went to the barber
> and now the blade become a shaving machine which u use it alone in your
> home and dont have an interaction with the barber and his costumers
>
> thanks everyone!
>
> my e-mail is:
>
> darkness.swallows.me@gmail.com
>
> have a great day!


Hire someone to write the book in your place. Your writing sucks.

Syl 




Article: 335145 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: 16b Chassis
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 07:29:02 -0600
Message-ID: <776-447C489E-795@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1148982636.952916.193070@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Thanks guys .. My quest for a Philco escutcheon .

I feel like the guy who was out in the streets and dropped his quarter
that is now rolling down down a hill .. chasing it along in slow motion
while bumping into other people making them drop things and slosh coffee
cups .
I trip and fall right in front of a sewer grille and watch the quarter
fall down in it .  

Philco oh Philco where are you .



Article: 335146 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: ken scharf <wa2mzeNOSPAMBOTS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <pan.2006.05.29.00.50.30.276693@yahoo.com> <447A4D8A.7EA59933@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <vtIeg.65051$iB2.59713@bignews4.bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:08:10 -0400

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> "Gerald D. Pine" wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 May 2006 22:41:14 +0000,  Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
>>
>>> EthanInNC <ethaninnc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I recently acquired a GE 4870 digital clock radio. This seems to be a
>>>> stripped down version of the 4880. I assume it was made around 1980 or
>>>> so.
>>> OK I know you're going to think I'm a bad guy... But would someone PLEASE
>>> tell me what a clock radio made in 1980 is doing on an antique radio
>>> newsgroup???
>>>
>>> Ron
>> When is something an antique, Ron.  I remember as a kid thinking that all
>> these ration coupons and WWII stuff was really antique.  And that was in
>> the fifties (making me definitely an antique).
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
> 
> 
>    I believe the newsgroup charter says anything 1964 or older.
>   
>    news:sci.electronics.repair deals with newer electronics.
> 
> 
At one time I'd have used age as a deciding factor.  Now, I'd also base
it on the technology used.  For example, some people would consider
anything playing phonograph records as an antique as nothing made for
the consumer market today includes phonograph equipment.  Of course the
audiophools would think differently.  (and I still own equipment that
can play phonograph records, in fact I just bought two new Audiotechnica
magnetic phono cartridges for my turntables!)

Very soon anything that can pick up NTSC analog tv will be obsolete and
an antique by this standard.

If you consider anything that uses tubes to be antique I must warn you
that certain communications gear using tubes were being made as late as
1980!  (and I don't mean hybrid gear with only tubes in the transmitter
finals!  R.L. Drake and Heathkit still had tube gear for sale as late
as this date.)

Yes, I would consider early transistor radios to be antiques.  (Those
made in the USA anyway, anything from the far east is NOT.  Sorry Sony!)


Article: 335147 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: my wife wanted to kill me once, when I..........(you fill in
References: <8TOeg.22246$XV5.16351@fed1read10>   <PkPeg.4561$jJ1.2087@newsfe16.lga> <1148998665.915626.238770@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <lIYeg.9113$9W5.529@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:32:49 GMT



Steven wrote:
> I've no wife or girlfriend.

What happened to that freak show you were whining about
last year?

Jeff

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Article: 335148 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken <wklwns@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Keepers
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <vVZeg.2141$f76.1872@dukeread06>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:55:06 -0400

It will be intresting to see what your thoughts on this will be when 
you're 85. Or will you be sticking around for your estate sale? Ken

Peter Wieck wrote:

> I was thinking the other day after introducing a total of six
> radios/related items into the house.... Of my entire collection which
> units are absolute keepers, that will be pried from my cold-dead
> fingers.
> 
> It comes down to in no particular order:
> 
> Sparton 558 (Blue Glass) Sled
> Zenith 9S262 Shutter/Robot Dial w/6T5
> Zenith B600L in near-perfect condition
> Zenith 7G605 Sailboat
> 
> Near-but-not-quite:
> 
> Motorola 6T tabletop
> Zenith 808 or 807
> Zenith G500
> 
> More-or-less all the rest may come and go, that top four are the ones
> that I see as primary examples of their species. Not necessarily
> top-end, but certainly indicative. And the not-quites will come and go
> to acquire a challenge-radio and/or another indicative-specimen type.
> 
> Your thoughts? No limit as to quantity, but this is based on EXISTING
> radios in the collection, not "wants". 
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 



Article: 335149 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: Need Schematic for GE 4870 Clock Radio
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:25:16 -0700
Message-ID: <e5i2nf0307d@news2.newsguy.com>
References: <1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <eGpeg.9014$Qg.2093@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <pan.2006.05.29.00.50.30.276693@yahoo.com>

Gerald D. Pine wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 22:41:14 +0000,  Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
> 
> 
>>EthanInNC <ethaninnc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1148852761.307661.132180@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>I recently acquired a GE 4870 digital clock radio. This seems to be a
>>>stripped down version of the 4880. I assume it was made around 1980 or
>>>so.
>>
>>OK I know you're going to think I'm a bad guy... But would someone PLEASE
>>tell me what a clock radio made in 1980 is doing on an antique radio
>>newsgroup???
>>
>>Ron
> 
> When is something an antique, Ron.  I remember as a kid thinking that all
> these ration coupons and WWII stuff was really antique.  And that was in
> the fifties (making me definitely an antique).
> 

I tend to interpret the guidelines for posting here somewhat loosely.. 
Although the group is predominantly designed to address the concerns of 
those who collect vintage radios (meaning those with tubes), there are 
some solid-state radios that could be considered "vintage" and due to 
their unique design or construction have acquired some collector 
interest, and are appropriate topics for discussion in this group. The 
GE 48XX series of digital clock radios definitely qualifies under this 
umbrella.

First sold in the 1970s, It was the first clock radio to have direct 
entry of time, alarm, and radio frequencies. The radio could be set so 
that a couple could be woken up at two different times to two different 
stations. It also had reliable power-failure battery backup using a 
commonly available battery that is easily replaced by the user. These 
are merely cool features today; in the late 70s they were almost 
revolutionary. My parents bought two of them for their home right when 
they were first introduced, and I did not see another clock radio with 
similar features on the market for many years afterward. Even today, the 
functional elegance of the design holds up very well. It was and is an 
engineering tour-de-force for GE.

I have two of them, the original model with the red LED display and the 
second-generation one with the blue flourescent display. (that display 
is a vacuum tube, BTW, so technically it qualifies as a radio with at 
least one tube :-) ). The original model had some fairly serious 
problems with keyboard reliability as it aged, which is the issue that 
you will most likely see discussed in this group.

As for the question posed by the original poster, I think there is a 
Sams photofact out there someplace for this model or one similar to it. 
If I had to guess what the problem was off the top of my head, it is 
probably a capacitor associated with some sort of filter designed to 
keep noise from the CPU from polluting the RF and/or audio stages. 
That's only a WAG, though...A schematic would indeed be good to have.

-Scott

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Article: 335150 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <1148971674.202426.8460@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith 12S471 reproduction parts source needed!
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:52:26 -0400
Message-ID: <L96dnZHOucaBCeHZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com>

Eddie,
that is a great set, one of my fav's.  I had one but sold it about 5 years
ago for a very strong price!

anyways,  I have some 1940 Zenith original and repro stuff in stock.   You
will probably want to stay with original on the missing button, to match
color tone.

email me at moppat at comcast dot net

Mark Oppat


"Eddie" <taliesin1935@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1148971674.202426.8460@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Lucky me...I stopped at a rummage sale by my house, and they didn't
> have much...the guy was trying to get rid of his old PIANO, and I
> wasn't biting. He asked what I was looking for. Of course, I said "If
> you had radios I'd be interested!" He said he had an old wood one in
> the back of the garage...and voila...there sat a very restorable,
> intact (mostly) Zenith 12S471. I personally think, to my eyes, is one
> of the most beautiful Zeniths ever made. 40 bucks, and a few minutes
> later, it was home in my shop. Almost complete, except for the main
> tuning knob assembly by the shutter lever. (that is still there) and
> the glass and center decorative tuning needle cover. I NEED these
> parts, anybody know of a source for reproduction knobs? Oh yeah, one of
> the tuning pushbuttons is gone, too.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ed White
>
>





Article: 335151 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: OT and FA: Funny, at least to me
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:39:34 -0700
Message-ID: <e5i3i8030nf@news2.newsguy.com>
References: <KNNdg.17680$fb2.13541@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>

Robert Murrell wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/stunning-RARE-aircraft-DECO-marble-LAMP-PICTURE-FRAME_W0QQitemZ7418067955QQcategoryZ63547QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> At least its electric.  Its being auctioned from Munich, Germany.  It has "A 
> vintage quadrimotor plane is hovering over the lamp."  They probably don't 
> recognize it because very few Germans ever say this plane from the top.
> 
> 
Check out this other item from the same seller:

http://cgi.ebay.com/stunning-BAKELITE-rare-STREAMLINE-deco-RED-TRIM-RADIO_W0QQitemZ6632793164QQcategoryZ38034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Not a bad looking set-That oval dial is pretty wild-looking.

-Scott


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Article: 335152 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: Ow or Wow?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:57:15 -0700
Message-ID: <e5i4je0sk@news2.newsguy.com>
References: <8Gpeg.3143$7e.1752@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

Rune wrote:

> Maybe I should dig out my old one and fix it...
> 
> Are these really that sought after?
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6632112694 
> 
> 
Rather plain, and not my cup of tea, but its condition appears to be 
incredibly perfect judging from the photos. That's probably why the 
price went through the roof.

-Scott


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Article: 335153 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brian Hill" <good@it.net>
References: <ToIeg.280$rG3.232@fe03.lga> <c9%eg.9555$y4.7432@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: HBR receiver
Message-ID: <a31fg.12$212.0@fe04.lga>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:30:13 -0500


"Northe Osbrink" <northe@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message 
news:c9%eg.9555$y4.7432@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Brian,
>
>
>
>> Hi guys. I just lucked out and got this nice old HBR receiver. I haven't
>> received it yet but was woundering if any of you recognize it? I checked
>> Kees site and didn't see any that may resemble it. It lookes very well 
>> built
>> from the pics. Check it out:
>
> Your receiver is homebrew -- the pictures make it look like a good job. 
> There were a series of HBR receivers in _QST_ magazine construction 
> articles beginning sometime in the 1950s and running over a period of 
> perhaps 10 years in various versions such as HBR-14, HBR-16, HBR-8, 
> HBR-11, HBR-12, etc.
>
> The one you won has a beautiful English-made Eddystone tuning dial.
>
> Here are a couple of Web sites concerning the receivers:
>
> http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/HBR/hbr.html
> http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/HK/HK.html
>
> Northe
> N6KO
>

I'm familiar with everything you've told me. I just want to find out who 
built it.

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Article: 335154 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:07:44 -0700
Message-ID: <e5i8np0scg@news1.newsguy.com>
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John Byrns wrote:

>
> 
> As usual in your zeal to flame Bush and the Republicans you ignore the
> facts, of course the Republicans can take some solace in the fact that it
> is your SOP to ignore the facts in all your posts.
> 
> First I don't believe that there was ever a hard stop date, to slip in the
> first place, until after Katrina when the congress got all worked up about
> the communications problems in New Orleans and passed a law setting a hard
> date of February 17 2009 for the cutoff of analog Television.  Prior to
> Katreina there was a soft date sometime in 2006.

The original mandate was to wait until a certain percentage of the 
populace already had digital-ready TVs....I think it was 50% or 
thereabouts, as I recall. The assumption was that it would only take a 
few years to achieve that, and thus the changeover would be realitively 
painless.

Problem is, most of the existing TVs out there are pretty dependable, so 
  the pace of adoption was glacial. That nebulous time-frame didn't suit 
the feds, so they mandated that all TVs over 19 inches that are sold in 
this country be equipped with DTV tuners starting in July 2006.

It was at that time that a hard date was set for the demise of analog 
TV. Originally, it was set to go bye-bye at the end of 2008, but the 
networks squawked at that date because of the possible ratings impact it 
would have on their coverage of several sporting events, predominiantly 
the NFL playoffs and the NCAA basketball tournament. There are also 
issues related to the funding of government subsidies of analog to DTV 
converter boxes for low-income people, so the date was pushed back to 2009.

As it stands now, it is my understanding that the "official" cut-off 
date for analog TV is sometime in July, 2009. I can't imagine any 
eleventh-hour issue that will save Analog broadcast television now. Most 
of the people in the major cities won't care because they have cable and 
will not see any need to change for years (the current crop of cable 
boxes seamlessly work with just about any type of TV out there). The 
satellite TV industry has similar technology for dealing with analog 
TVs. The only people left are those who insist on receiving over-the-air 
analog broadcasts, and they are becoming an increasingly marginalized 
bunch. Then there are guys like us who will now have fully restored 
vintage TVs that will be useless for actually receiving anything over 
the air as standalone devices. Nobody's going to care about or 
accomodate that, because our vintage sets make up about .00001% of the 
TV population.

Face it folks...It's a done deal. analog TV is dead come 2010, for 
better or worse. By no means is that all bad either. The picture I have 
seen on TVs that are receiving DTV even in non-HDTV mode are very nice, 
with an overall cleanliness that is very hard to achieve with 
over-the-air analog.

Strange as it may seem, it may be Bush's policies that cause another 
slip in the schedule. Back in 1996, the economy was booming and a 
balanced federal budget seemed at least a possibility  The huge revenues 
generated by selling the freed-up spectrum was going to help keep the 
Federal budget nearly balanced beyond 2005. We all know now that that 
ain't gonna happen, spectrum sale or not, consequently the hot push to 
relieve broadcasters of the spectrum ain't so hot anymore.....Maybe that 
fact will compel congress to keep analog TV around a little longer. I'm 
not holding my breath, though.

-Scott






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Article: 335155 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Keepers
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <XB2fg.997878$xm3.139060@attbi_s21>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:15:36 GMT

In article <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
pfjw@aol.com says...
>
>
Sets to be pried out of my cold dead fingers in no particular order.

Zenith 16a61
Zenith 9 tuber Walton ... yup I parted with the 12 this 9 has been
with me for a long time... sentimental attachment
Zenith 6B107 with speaker
Spartan Bluebird
Zenith 12s265
Zenith 10s470 as well as being nice radio.. it also has sentimental
attachments
Stromberg Carlson 1/2 round mirror chairside
Crosley Corner setting baby grand console with bench
Zenith model 72 Console... lots of sentimental attachment plus its
>from the early era
AK-10C breadboard


probably lots of the others that live here also... but they
are mostly in the also ran category

John k9uwa




Article: 335156 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: my wife wanted to kill me once, when I..........(you fill in
References: <8TOeg.22246$XV5.16351@fed1read10>   <PkPeg.4561$jJ1.2087@newsfe16.lga>   <1148998665.915626.238770@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <lIYeg.9113$9W5.529@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <1149000026.994757.28190@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149011474.935413.33180@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <i4CdnUpVEIoECOHZ4p2dnA@adelphia.com>
Message-ID: <g23fg.9028$8G3.2116@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:45:48 GMT

Showed up at the house with my van loaded and a woman with a pickup 
truck also fully loaded. I told her I was going to look at a radio! Took 
several days for her to cool down, and a couple sales on Ebay made 
everything back to normal, whatever that is?

Roger D Johnson wrote:
> toxcrusadr wrote:
>> My wife wanted to kill me when I...
>>
>> Bought the generic store brand knockoff of her Vidal Sassoon overpriced
>> shampoo and poured it into the empty Vidal bottle to see if she would
>> notice, just to prove a point.  Ah, newlyweddedness.  She has gotten a
>> bit more frugal in her shopping, but I never did that again.  Ouch!
>>
>> Tox
>>
> I remember several years ago, a TV program packaged regular dishwasher
> detergent in a fancy bottle and gave it to women as a new shampoo for
> evaluation. They all raved about it!
> 
> 73, Roger
> 


Article: 335157 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Looking for a label scan on a Philco 51/51A tube shield
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <WZCdnSPTffHDnfPZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@suscom.com> <1xNdg.992383$xm3.605917@attbi_s21> <-uydnWfLr8fEOOrZ4p2dnA@suscom.com>
Message-ID: <F73fg.997915$xm3.418660@attbi_s21>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:51:33 GMT

In article <-uydnWfLr8fEOOrZ4p2dnA@suscom.com>, mldenison@suscom.net says...
>
>
>Outstanding, John.  It's the next one up on the bench.  Still no word on the 
>motors, dimmit. 
>
>
Hi Mort ... look in your email for a couple of scans of the 51 label
John



Article: 335158 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: My wife's going to kill me when she finds out.
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1148952551.083979.42610@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149023801.196517.145740@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <0b3fg.755483$084.599150@attbi_s22>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:55:09 GMT

In article <1149023801.196517.145740@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
menwagoh@msn.com says...
>
>
>

too big to totally hide that one!
The Instructions say .. something like 4 records up to 12 or whatever
the max is will be OK... less records and yup.... its a cruncher
instead of a changer! Think Bruce has at least one of them.. amazing
devices to watch operate.. 

John k9uwa



Article: 335159 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: my wife wanted to kill me once, when I..........(you fill in the blank)
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <8TOeg.22246$XV5.16351@fed1read10>
Message-ID: <te3fg.997927$xm3.73024@attbi_s21>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:58:49 GMT

In article <8TOeg.22246$XV5.16351@fed1read10>, rbelisle1@cox.net says...
>
>
>Just wondering what's the most trouble you got in for bringing home 
>something radio related.......
>
>bob in phx 
>
>
We had just spent 3 days or so doing a "Restack" in the garage
and loaded out a nice trailer load for Lansing.. sold about 99%
of it there... and the next day after we came back home I get a phone
call from a local Ham buddy... said I have a pickup truck load
that has your name on it! and he brought it out... the boss was
NOT HAPPY with that load!

John k9uwa



Article: 335160 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brian Hill" <good@it.net>
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <vVZeg.2141$f76.1872@dukeread06> <1149004638.610851.64580@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <447C6E6C.E815D322@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Keepers
Message-ID: <Jx3fg.23$Z53.21@fe03.lga>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:19:21 -0500


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:447C6E6C.E815D322@earthlink.net...
> Peter Wieck wrote:
>>
>> I intend to stick around for my funeral.
>
>
>   Well, it IS your funeral, as the old saying goes. ;-)
>
>
> -- 
> My sig file can beat up your sig file!

Hey you guys aren't going to be buried in anything that resembles a radio, 
are you? :)


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Article: 335161 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brian Hill" <good@it.net>
References: <1148952551.083979.42610@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: My wife's going to kill me when she finds out.
Message-ID: <Uz3fg.24$Z53.0@fe03.lga>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:21:41 -0500


"AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> wrote in message 
news:1148952551.083979.42610@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I offered $150 for a monster Capehart 410H. Very good shape, even has
> owners manual. 20 tubes, 2 big speakers, 3 chassis. The cabinet looks
> like the Capehart Chippendale I saw on a website except I think this
> one is 1939-40. There are small pieces of 78 rpm records under the
> changer, looks like I'll need to do some adjusting.
>

You can always paint flowers on it or chickens like the ones we see on Ebay 
>from time to time. Women like that kinda stuff :)

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Article: 335162 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Dual 6L6 Output in a Table Set
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:54:02 -0400
Message-ID: <127pmotnmtl8bb6@corp.supernews.com>

And hi fidelity IF trannies, both unique in the Emerson line. Someone may 
wish to get this, I have one already!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6632516133

John H. 




Article: 335163 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Philco Two-fer In Delaware
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:00:43 -0400
Message-ID: <127pn5eavnve6b8@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1149019050.403242.113070@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>


"Mike Koste" <michael.koste@zurichna.com> wrote in message 
news:1149019050.403242.113070@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> (Not mine) $15 for a pair of 40-180's? The knobs alone are worth
> considerably more than that.

But not if they are attached to two 40-180's. In Indiana you can buy 1939 
and later radios cut up for campground firewood.

John H. 




Article: 335164 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Philco Two-fer In Delaware
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:04:33 -0400
Message-ID: <127pncjrbfqhg41@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1149019050.403242.113070@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149019202.695009.90650@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <JradnTLgjO7bTOHZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com>


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:JradnTLgjO7bTOHZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> easy sets to restore, but the open front leaves the grille cloth 
> vulnerable.
> I happened into some great cloth for these a while ago... but its very 
> rare
> to find the right stuff without paying the repro price.
>


Are you friends with eBay's White Bedsheet Guy? I just give John O. my 
money.

John H. 




Article: 335165 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Another Seller Who Needs to Look Up the Word "Auction"
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:11:30 -0400
Message-ID: <127pnplnqmbrm8f@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127n69l5ns4ipd4@corp.supernews.com>   <oNPeg.12016$8T4.4320@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>   <p-GdnczJGq2AUObZ4p2dnA@comcast.com>   <M3Reg.12533$8T4.940@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>   <IoqdnWcqVpU20eHZRVn-jg@comcast.com>   <1148997113.157758.145990@r44g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1149011200.155666.165360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>


"toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com> wrote in message 
news:1149011200.155666.165360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

 [Actually
> Yonny could lighten up too, he really is on a roll about ebay lately,
> but he has posted so much interesting stuff about radios for years that
> I hesitate to criticize.]
>


I hate to waste the things I find without sharing them. I also post plenty 
of things folks SHOULD buy. That Wells Gardner is on my want list, and I'd 
pay well for one. Such kvetching is just that- a Yiddish term for a mild 
complaint requesting no solution (offering a solution is almost rude, and 
very New England). I don't understand STILL truly why folks "start" an 
auction at full value- why bother?

John H. 




Article: 335166 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Keepers
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:30:01 -0400
Message-ID: <127posbresjp9cd@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1149005555.071123.149780@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <1149016667.399897.244660@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <UMKdneOekfd3MOHZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@adelphia.com> <1149021891.464954.267040@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

 Simple criteria for me- mostly too heavy to move again, high performance-

Stromberg 70, 68, 140L consoles
Scott Phantom in Braemar (once complete)
Victor "L Door" VV-VXI in mahogany
Zenith porthole TV table set, 12"  "Claridge" model
Silvertone giant gold dial sets, console and table
Philco 116 tombstone early shouldered cabinet

Nad likely I'll keep the mystery Mystic Radio Model Airline tombstone 
forever too that I got at Kutztown this month as it's such a nice icon.

John H.





Article: 335167 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: OT and FA: Funny, at least to me
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:40:15 -0400
Message-ID: <127ppfht5u4qn48@corp.supernews.com>
References: <KNNdg.17680$fb2.13541@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> <e5i3i8030nf@news2.newsguy.com>


GREAT definition for the term Deco there- I'm gonna use that one, thanks! 
Read the whole copy on that listing, it's very informative.

John H. 




Article: 335168 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Keepers
Message-ID: <k%5fg.3702$W97.737@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 01:07:28 GMT

Im still putting togeather a part of my site that shows off my personal 
collection, most if not all of which will be with me till the end.  Add a 
Majestic 72  Stromberg Carlson 63, AK30 in a Pooley  and you pretty much got 
it all!  I DID sell my 9 S 262 but am keeping a 9 S 365  (same cabinet)

Here they are:  http://members.aol.com/radiorest/collection.htm

(forgive a couple typo's, it still under construction)

Keith


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I was thinking the other day after introducing a total of six
> radios/related items into the house.... Of my entire collection which
> units are absolute keepers, that will be pried from my cold-dead
> fingers.
>
> It comes down to in no particular order:
>
> Sparton 558 (Blue Glass) Sled
> Zenith 9S262 Shutter/Robot Dial w/6T5
> Zenith B600L in near-perfect condition
> Zenith 7G605 Sailboat
>
> Near-but-not-quite:
>
> Motorola 6T tabletop
> Zenith 808 or 807
> Zenith G500
>
> More-or-less all the rest may come and go, that top four are the ones
> that I see as primary examples of their species. Not necessarily
> top-end, but certainly indicative. And the not-quites will come and go
> to acquire a challenge-radio and/or another indicative-specimen type.
>
> Your thoughts? No limit as to quantity, but this is based on EXISTING
> radios in the collection, not "wants".
>
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 




Article: 335169 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Did Capehart Make Floor Model Stereos...
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:10:56 -0400
Message-ID: <127pr93j2clcka4@corp.supernews.com>

...in the 1960's? An unspecified locally advertised Capehart is described as 
such. Or must it be something earlier?

John H. 




Article: 335170 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Did Capehart Make Floor Model Stereos...
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:26:49 -0400
Message-ID: <127ps6sqn7es4fe@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127pr93j2clcka4@corp.supernews.com>

Never mind, I Googled it and found they DID make some real cheesy 
stereos..........

John H. 




Article: 335171 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Keepers
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:26:44 -0600
Message-ID: <19938-447CF0D4-265@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <k%5fg.3702$W97.737@twister.nyroc.rr.com>

I tend to keep to many radios . Many of them i just cant find the time
to get restored . Not enough hours in life .

Zenith 10S130 , 5S126 , 5S127 , 6S128 , 6S321 , 6P430 , glass rod and
some other Zeniths . Stewart Warner 1262 . Sentimental Philco 610
tombstone & Gilfillan ?? table set .
Do jukeboxes count ? Seeburg G 

  



From adouglasatgis.net Wed May 31 10:20:52 EDT 2006
Article: 335172 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Alan Douglas <adouglasatgis.net>
Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: The Rocket Radio, some questions?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:49:30 -0400
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Hi,
   John asked:

> What I don't
>understand is why Sears lavished money on features like the fancy cabinet,
>the power transformer, and the push button tuning mechanism, yet its five
>tubes they didn't see fit to give it a superhetrodyne circuit?

   My guess is that this model was intended for the urban market,
where there were plenty of high-power local stations, so the superhet
circuit was not necessary.  Or perhaps they ran out of cabinet space?

Alan


Article: 335173 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Keepers
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:25:25 +0900
Message-ID: <e5iunb$nkm$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <CridnQuiEsRZYOHZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>


"Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> wrote in message 
news:CridnQuiEsRZYOHZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
> 1. My Grandma's GE 429 plastic kitchen radio
>
> 2. Hallicrafters SX-88
>
> 3. Joan Fontaine's leather A600L TransOceanic
>
> 4. Sparton Bluebird
>
> 5. Stewart-Warner R192 "Good Companion"
>
> 6. Colonial Globe
>
> 7. Trophy baseball
>
> Hey, I like round radios -- so shoot me :-)
>
> All the rest (including all the TVs) are readily replaceable or could go 
> bye-bye tomorrow without tears. In the last year or so, I have gotten rid 
> of three or four dozen sets, and bought maybe five or six.


When you going to do another wholesale clearance, Phil? I'm gonna run out of 
projects soon.  I've even completed the SX-25, except for the replacement 
tubes.





Article: 335174 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <8TOeg.22246$XV5.16351@fed1read10> <te3fg.997927$xm3.73024@attbi_s21>
Subject: Re: my wife wanted to kill me once, when I..........(you fill in the blank)
Message-ID: <pe7fg.4$nn1.1@newsfe23.lga>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:18:18 -0500


"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message
news:te3fg.997927$xm3.73024@attbi_s21...
> In article <8TOeg.22246$XV5.16351@fed1read10>, rbelisle1@cox.net says...
> >
> >
> >Just wondering what's the most trouble you got in for bringing home
> >something radio related.......
> >
> >bob in phx
> >
> >
> We had just spent 3 days or so doing a "Restack" in the garage
> and loaded out a nice trailer load for Lansing.. sold about 99%
> of it there... and the next day after we came back home I get a phone
> call from a local Ham buddy... said I have a pickup truck load
> that has your name on it! and he brought it out... the boss was
> NOT HAPPY with that load!
>
> John k9uwa
>
I'm gonna save a couple of these for Mrs., so she knows I'm not
bad at all...
Nelson




Article: 335175 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The Rocket Radio, some questions?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:15:40 -0700
Message-ID: <otup72ln7qinf0mr4m873li9nknol6g9gu@4ax.com>
References: <jbyrns-3005061919320001@216-80-74-228.d.enteract.com>

On Tue, 30 May 2006 19:19:31 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>On the other hand, even though it is a full five tube radio, it uses a
>simple TRF design just like the four tube cheapies.  What I don't
>understand is why Sears lavished money on features like the fancy cabinet,
>the power transformer, and the push button tuning mechanism, yet its five
>tubes they didn't see fit to give it a superhetrodyne circuit? <snip>

Same reason GM put obsolete, inefficient 2 speed automatic
transmissions in their top of the line Chevies until at least
1968...people don't know any better, generally.
>
>Does anyone have an idea what Sears thinking might have been on this
>radio?  Did they blow the budget on the cabinet, power transformer, and
>tuning mechanism, so they couldn't afford the additional cost of the two
>IF transformers needed for the subperhetrodyne circuit, while still
>hitting their desired price point?  When did the superhetrodyne patent
>expire, was it still in effect in 1939 so that patent royalties would have
>further added to the cost of using a superhetrodyne circuit? <snip>

Sears never did build a thing...everything's a "job lot" purchase from
a manufacturer.  The manufacturer prolbably had the TRF design offered
a a good pricing point, and Sears, knowing non-technical people would
be attracted to the fancy woodwork and push button gee-gaws thought
it'd be a good seller and profit maker.

You don't know much...do you?


Article: 335176 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Robert Murrell" <murrellr-dummy@ameritech.net>
References: <KNNdg.17680$fb2.13541@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>   <JTNdg.17681$fb2.14649@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> <1149038876.746248.261260@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: OT and FA: Funny, at least to me
Message-ID: <Pn7fg.88533$H71.18097@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 02:41:51 GMT

Its possible, but the tail looks very much like the mid to late B-17 models. 
The only FW-200s pictures I've seen have a straight tail.

"nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:1149038876.746248.261260@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Actually, I think the 'plane is a FW-200 'Condor', the long range
> maritime patrol plane used to spot convoys for the Wolf Packs. It looks
> very much like the photo in a book I was just reading.
>
> Neil S.
> 




Article: 335177 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: anyone here troublshoot a cordless phone before?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:41:12 -0700
Message-ID: <euvp72teuoab075n8qs96ckbup7el2748a@4ax.com>
References: <1148950192.351006.181430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <IlNeg.25046$Lg.7999@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <Ru1fg.7008$921.6761@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Tue, 30 May 2006 19:59:45 GMT, robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>> OH NOOOOoooo, now antique cordless phones????
>
>Some of which can be overheard on pre-war FM sets (the 45MHz b'cast 
>band)/   :-) <snip>

...or on any general coverage receiver with an FM demod.  "Listening
in" to any wireless phone call is NOT illegal, BTW.  Only corded
phones on a wired-to-wired call are protected by secrecy of
communicadtions law.  Anything else is fair game, according to "the
Supremes."  AT&T learned this the hard way when they found some guys
with a MW receiver and FM demod out in the desert picking off calls in
both directions using two SLMs and a tape deck.  AT&T tried to
prosecute, to no avail.  It was on "public airwaves," and thus, if
anyone can cobble up the receiver, the signal is theirs to use.

That's one reason AT&T, at first, largely abandoned digital MW radio
before Viturbi encoding became available; the security threat was all
too real, and corporate accounts where flocking to any carrier who
would ever suggest that their network was more secure.  Prior to
digitization of the network, several encoding schemes of the FDM
baseband were tried, with the usual problems.  Once the fiber
facilities were in place, most FM MW radio was turned down
permanently.   NOT that fiber optics provides and solace in privacy.
Back in '03, Bush Bird's NSA dispatched the USS Jimmy Carter out to
the Pacific to park on the ocean floor above the TPC cables to pick
off traffic off of the fiber optic undersea routes...which they're
still doing.


Article: 335178 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: On The Forum the other Day...
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:32:36 -0400
Message-ID: <127q3inknkua6a7@corp.supernews.com>

....I started looking for the "Block sender" button.

But there isn't one, is there?

John H. 




Article: 335179 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Huge vintage e-books collection on Usenet
From: Larry <noone@home.com>
References: <Xns97D1ECC837CC9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <Xns97D2C5DDD7E78electroboyhotmailcom@205.237.233.50>
Message-ID: <Xns97D3F1A2C1AB9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:44:55 -0400

bele2009 <electro_boy@hotmail.com> wrote in 
news:Xns97D2C5DDD7E78electroboyhotmailcom@205.237.233.50:

> Is there another news server I can access who has this group ?
> 

Usenetserver.com is $3 for 3 days trial.  Signup online at 
www.usenetserver.com.  They are very complete, very long retention and you 
get 10 simultaneous ports with UNLIMITED downloading for $15/month or 
cheaper if you buy 3 months at a time.  They are the finest usenet service 
I ever found and very responsive to your questions on their own support 
newsgroup.  They are in Atlanta, but that makes no difference across the 
net.  I download from them 24/7 with Xnews....and they don't mind!...(c;

If you find out about a group they don't have, a simple message in their 
support newsgroup will get it online within an hour for downloading as soon 
as it loads from their many, many upstream providers.

While you're looking at the site, click up the status webpage where you can 
see the loading of their system.  They have amazing bandwidth that never 
overloads.

Usenet isn't just about text and hasn't been for many years....



Article: 335180 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve Phipps" <kawninja@nospam.cableone.net>
Subject: Re: collectors` stories
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:45:41 -0500
Message-ID: <127q4b3ksifnpd1@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1148989053.597094.122450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <vOWeg.15264$Zc7.201995@wagner.videotron.net> <1148994081.080892.264920@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

I was in a flea market the other day and saw a first generation reel to reel 
Phone Mate answering machine complete with original 4 prong phone cord and 
docs / manuals. Just about hauled it home for 15 bucks, if anything just for 
historical purposes, but the house is already bursting at the seams with 
"artifacts" like this...

Steve P.

"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1148994081.080892.264920@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

> But apart from all that, a fascinating topic. I keep thinking about the
> telephone... when I was a kid there was one, black, rotary dial, and in
> the kitchen. No answering machines, and everyone was expected to let
> the phone ring 10 times 




Article: 335181 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
From: Larry <noone@home.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <pe6dna8nOqK5AuTZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97D460CB1AAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:01:55 -0400

"Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in 
news:e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com:

> Does anybody here use one with any 
>>> regularity? Pros?, Cons?
> 

While its great to have the "real thing", the best audio signal tracer I 
ever had is a simple Radio Shack "telephone amplifier" they've been 
dumping, recently, for $10.  I bought 8.  I fix electronic organs/pa 
systems/etc...music audio.

The ones I'm using are a little flat white plastic speakerbox with a 
thumbwheel volume control, 1/8" input jack that comes with a magnetic 
suction cup phone pickup I don't use, and has a pushbutton power switch 
with a little red "stick" that pokes up to show the button is down in the 
on position.  Its input is a JFET and is infinite impedance, never 
loading a thing.  It's also very sensitive to the millivolt level, making 
it great for tracing noises with no signal.  

Its input circuit is very sensitive to self destructing DC voltages, too, 
so I built a little test lead that plugs into it.  The probe has a 1M 
resistor in series with the probe tip built inside the plastic handle at 
the tip to isolate the circuit from the wiring.  A .005 uF, 1KV disc 
ceramic blocks any DC from passing to the JFET input and a 10K resistor 
across the input on the low side of the cap makes a dandy attenuator 
against the 1M in series.  If your application still overdrives the 
input, just lower the 10K to a 1K to make it even more insensitive.  The 
amp is WAY too sensitive the way it comes, unless you're listening to 
Hammond tonewheel generator outputs in the millivolt range.

My only complaint is the damned power button depresses in my toolbox, 
killing the 9V battery.  So, I have to open the little pop-open case and 
unplug the battery after each use before storing it in the junk.  Because 
of these little amps, I haven't carried a scope in years.  I can touch 
the tip down through a complex analog organ and find the problems very 
fast because you can HEAR the problems...missing audio, distortion, open 
coupling caps, dead tubes and transistors, etc., are real easy.

To troubleshoot RF/IF, simply build a second input test probe with a 
detector in it.  There's LOTS of audio gain in the amp to hear the audio 
rectified from a 1N34 or 1N60 detector.  I suppose the purists could 
build a probe with a hunk of galena and a catwhisker...(c;  I can hear 
local AM radio stations by touching the RF/IF test probe to anything 
metal, grounding the low side to anything else metal...all at once!



Article: 335182 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: WTMA-AM 1250 Charleston, SC, anniversary day tomorrow...
From: Larry <noone@home.com>
References: <Xns97D1F00C9F3D8noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <1148887208.079406.92140@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Xns97D2B937B614noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <1148949281.047987.225200@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1148970677.769915.265190@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97D42899B9E4noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:14:40 -0400

"Jeff, WB8NHV" <jeffhs@ameritech.net> wrote in 
news:1148970677.769915.265190@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> Internet radio
> is much better than the broadcast variety for a number of reasons: one,
> no commercials; two, no reception problems;  three, much more variety
> of music over Internet stations than over standard AM or FM.
> 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/

All the home channels are there, as well as BBC World Services.

When the Neilson people called me, she asked me what my favorite radio 
station was.  I told her, "Wow, that's a tough question.  I like BBC2 as 
much as I do BBC4....but....I guess I'd have to say BBC2, how's that?"

The phone was silent as she digested the data.  Then, she wanted to know 
what LOCAL radio station I listened to.  "Oh, no.  Who'd listen to that 
advertising crap for hours?", I replied.  "There's nothing to listen to 
on Charleston radio stations, any more."

I guess they marked me off the list.  They never called back.  Give BBC a 
try.  So far, I've been unsuccessful trying to get them to stream UK 
television channels as well, even with my offer of a subscription to do 
so.  So, I have to get my BBC TV from 
alt.binaries.multimedia.comedy.british where the posters post great old 
British TV comedies like "Are You Being Served".  Someone posted the 
entire series of my favorite Canadian TV show, "The Red Green Show" from 
its first crude episode on.  "Possum Lodge" and his antics are just 
hilarious....(c;

Why can't WE have TV like that in the USA??

Tune in BBC2 and listen to the ON DEMAND of the last Malcolm Laycock 
show.  Pipe it through your AM transmitter to one of your fantastic old 
radios.  This group will appreciate the music Malcolm plays each week.  
You can listen to the last radio show of ANY radio show on BBC Radio at 
the click of a mouse.

I offered to pay my share of the British radio tax to pay for such great 
programmes.  They graciously declined my offer and invited me to listen 
all I wanted, 24/7.  I listen a lot....



Article: 335183 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
From: Larry <noone@home.com>
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Message-ID: <Xns97D43A8C4788noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:21:16 -0400

"Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in 
news:e5i8np0scg@news1.newsguy.com:

> Maybe that 
> fact will compel congress to keep analog TV around a little longer. I'm 
> not holding my breath, though.
> 

Wait until the public finds out the REAL reason for DTV.....PAY DTV.

Want to watch Monday Night Football on your UHF TV antenna?  Call 1-800-
FEED-US-MONEY, give the nice lady your credit card and she'll turn on the 
football game through your ADDRESSABLE DTV, right over the air.  Ain't that 
nice?!

One spam channel of infomercials open to keep the FCC bureaucrats happy.
3 pay TV channels to sell with nearly good programs on it.
or
1 WIDESCREEN pay TV channel in HDTV for "just a little more money".

The pay movie comes on Channel 19 at 8PM in HDTV.  Don't forget where your 
Mastercard is laying.  You're gonna need it.....



Article: 335184 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <127q3inknkua6a7@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: On The Forum the other Day...
Message-ID: <AD8fg.40413$q13.282519@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:08:50 -0400


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
news:127q3inknkua6a7@corp.supernews.com...
> ....I started looking for the "Block sender" button.
>
> But there isn't one, is there?
>
> John H.


Good news is...You _can_ get rid of idiots on ARF...

But they are everywhere on the net...Are we thinking of the same dog ?

Syl 




Article: 335185 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: anyone here troublshoot a cordless phone before?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:29:44 -0700
Message-ID: <gm6q725m245tae72end1es2jgbq2ario1k@4ax.com>
References: <1148950192.351006.181430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <IlNeg.25046$Lg.7999@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <Ru1fg.7008$921.6761@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <euvp72teuoab075n8qs96ckbup7el2748a@4ax.com> <1149047319.766406.174340@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

On 30 May 2006 20:48:39 -0700, "billccm" <billccm@msn.com> wrote:

>So, your advice to trash the phone is correct. I am just the kind of
>guy that doesn't always take the easy way out. When I volunteered for
>the Salvation Army's repair depot in the late 1970s as a repair tech, I
>was amazed at how many things were donated (discarded) just because of
>a blown fuse, loose solder connection, or even a bad AC cord! Even
>microwave ovens were discarded with just a loose door saftey switch
>sometimes. So, it taught me not to just discard and replace without at
>least looking at the unit's insides. No need to flame a guy for at
>least trying. <snip>

That's the way I am, too.  Something just needs a minor repair, do it
and get more years out of it and save your money!  Calcium clogging
the boiler of your Mr. Coffee?  Open it up, rod it out, get another 5
years out of it, then rod it out again.  I've got one of the first
Chinese Mr. Coffees with digital timers, and it's now 9 years old and
still working fine.  I see my neighbors throw away perfectly good
stuff every day, while I just fix mine and bank the money.  Being part
scot, I'm nothing if not thrrrrrrrrrrrifty!

You may try getting the original manufacturer to at least give you
some info on reflashing the memory, if you're really a die-hard.


Article: 335186 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <447D22B0.4AAE4CAF@incharge.com>
From: charles <charles@incharge.com>
Subject: Re: NOT !!! Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
References: <vbJbg.36281$mh.29156@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 04:59:30 GMT

hi john,

nobody else is complaing about my writing skills.

got to go hand an antenna...

"John S." wrote:

> > Not!!!
>
> What are you talking about....not what.  Try writing in complete
> sentences.
>
> chuck wrote:
> > New radios with all bells + whistles
> > cheaper then a 20yr old as is doa rig
> >
> > what kills hamfests is lack of interest
> >
> > buyers of estate gear at dirp cheap prices
> > that markup to sell on ebay and hamfests.



Article: 335187 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: On The Forum the other Day...
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:02:20 -0600
Message-ID: <14386-447D235C-1041@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <AD8fg.40413$q13.282519@weber.videotron.net>

Dont post this stuff anymore  



Article: 335188 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Roger <Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net>
Subject: Re: Ebay & "The Market"
Message-ID: <js9q72l2thc732ece4m8c6s1rtolre40be@4ax.com>
References: <vbJbg.36281$mh.29156@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <9d2d5$44704bda$d1cc5848$21530@snip.allthenewsgroups.com> <12725vt81v3bfbd@corp.supernews.com> <m39cg.36461$mh.27894@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1148312047.828984.28290@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4471E3CC.D527CD4A@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 01:20:31 -0400

On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:16:51 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Peter Wieck wrote:
>> 
>> a) the west, southwest and south in general suffer from a dearth of
>> good radios. This has been the case for the over 20 years I have been
>> in the hobby and remains the case today. Exceptions include Florida &
>> Maryland... stretch to make MD a 'southern' state although it is below
>> the Mason/Dixon line.
>
>
>   According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the
>southern tip of new England. :(


Michigan!

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Article: 335189 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Roger <Delete-Invallid.stuff.groups@tm.net>
Subject: Re: Ebay & "The Market"
Message-ID: <i0aq721v4o2lh2rffv5trvdc17qfo9hkog@4ax.com>
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Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 01:23:37 -0400

On 30 May 2006 06:55:19 -0700, "Steven"
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I suppose next you'll attack yard sales. You're despicable.

Who?  You didn't include any quote to know to whom you are referring
and these posts don't necessarily fall in the expected order.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Article: 335190 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:26:44 -0500
Message-ID: <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Millions of cheap analog tv sets are being sold everyday.When the big
switch to HDTV comes,some folks will go to the local ''discount stores''
and get their new HDTV sets.
cuhulin



Article: 335191 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:41:03 -0700
Message-ID: <q1bq72l0d47ovu27651ldhiomvsrb2bea6@4ax.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <pe6dna8nOqK5AuTZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com> <Xns97D460CB1AAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>

On Wed, 31 May 2006 00:01:55 -0400, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>"Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in 
>The 
>amp is WAY too sensitive the way it comes, unless you're listening to 
>Hammond tonewheel generator outputs in the millivolt range. <snip>

Why do that?  Just bypass the manuals and drawbars and go directly
into the preamp!  Why complicate simplicity?


Article: 335192 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Keepers
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <vVZeg.2141$f76.1872@dukeread06> <1149004638.610851.64580@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Dnafg.371$ED2.120@bignews2.bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 01:06:56 -0500

Peter Wieck wrote:
> I intend to stick around for my funeral. 
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
> 
> 
I'm gonna be at mine, but don't expect me to interact...much.

My only keeper so far is my 7-BX-10--sentimental value.

OTOH, my wife would tell you that I have never parted with anything, ever.

jak



Article: 335193 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:18:56 -0700
Message-ID: <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com>
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>

On Wed, 31 May 2006 00:26:44 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>Millions of cheap analog tv sets are being sold everyday.When the big
>switch to HDTV comes,some folks will go to the local ''discount stores''
>and get their new HDTV sets.<snip>

China has been "dumping" shitball TV sets in the US for the last few
years.  Longevity's about 3 or 4 years on these pieces of garbage,
which usually wind up being sold at junk outlets like Wally-Fart and
drug stores.  China's "dumping" is what was responsible for the
collapse of Five Islands in TN, the last domestic producer of TV sets,
the former Philips plant.  The plant was scooped up by Toshiba to make
plasma sets, but not after firing most of the work force.

I doubt that the Chinese will be doing anything similar with digital
sets anytime soon, but the analog set "dumping" continues, aided and
abetted by crap mechants like Wally-Fart.


Article: 335194 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "clfe" <Nospam@clfurent.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>   <pe6dna8nOqK5AuTZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>   <e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com>   <Xns97D460CB1AAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>   <q1bq72l0d47ovu27651ldhiomvsrb2bea6@4ax.com> <1149058697.224878.87400@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 06:05:12 -0400
Message-ID: <447d6a1f$0$3683$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net>


"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1149058697.224878.87400@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> The Eico 147 is in fact the canonical signal tracer.  You can build
> one easily yourself if you want. I modify them to use a standard scope
> probe with a BNC on the front and an internal detector. I do virtually
> no consumer radios but they are still handy for various purposes.
>
> If I actually build one from scratch I will use a larger wood cab and
> a Fender Champ speaker so it will double as a practice amp for guitar.
> An Eico will work for that electrically, if a little low on gain, but
> the metal box will sound horrible and the speaker will die.  Ever tried
> to get one like that reconed?
>
> The tube Eico should be as quiet as a solid state one and is harder to
> kill electrically. This is important as consumoradio people, no
> offense, tend towards the fucktardesque. I have learned the hard way
> NEVER let friends or acquaintences into them anywhere near good gear
> like Audio Precision audio boxes or IFR service monitors. I have one
> "former friend" who is now banned from my acquaintenceship until he
> pays for the brand new IF block I bought on his promise after he put
> the B+ from a table radio into the antenna port. He has no intention of
> doing so and I have no intention of letting him on my property or
> talking to him again.
>

Reminds me of my "new" Freq counter........ A friend asked to borrow it, so 
I let him. He brought it back a couple days later telling me he 
"recalibrated it" - it was off frequency. I told him, it was "brand new". 
While I suppose it is possible for that to happen - a new unit not being 
calibrated, I don't believe that was the issue.
Needless to say - no more loaning. I was able to get it back on frequency 
using a good signal source. As a rule, I don't "borrow" that I can't replace 
or buy for myself. I don't loan out. and I DO NOT allow ANYONE near my test 
bench - unless - I need a pair of extra hands and ask someone for their 
help. 




Article: 335195 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <AD8fg.40413$q13.282519@weber.videotron.net> <14386-447D235C-1041@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: On The Forum the other Day...
Message-ID: <h4ffg.40979$q13.286784@weber.videotron.net>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:29:01 -0400


"Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:14386-447D235C-1041@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net...
> Dont post this stuff anymore

But he's right...At least ARF has control over it as opposed to 
here...Unfortuntely.
At least it's one of the benefit of being _moderated_.

Syl 




Article: 335196 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Another Seller Who Needs to Look Up the Word "Auction"
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:37:48 -0600
Message-ID: <776-447D9C2C-937@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <127n69l5ns4ipd4@corp.supernews.com>

WOW thats something else . Be fun to play with that & see how it sounds
 If i saw that plane jane cabinet somewhere i would never figure it
having such great guts .