Article: 335197 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:10:19 -0700
Message-ID: <kt8r72t4ibch9r1277453g3ium8a6am75t@4ax.com>
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com> <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1149079572.562367.300910@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149080053.923469.84680@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 31 May 2006 05:54:13 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>Might do you some good....
>
>I refer you to Ecclesiastes 10, with special reference to Verse 18. No
>judgement rendered, but from this distance, it sure seems to apply. <snip>

More religious claptrap.  No wonder you're on AOHell!


Article: 335198 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 07:09:46 -0700
Message-ID: <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com>
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On 31 May 2006 05:31:53 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>Actually, the only "Thing" aiding and abetting this so-called dumping
>(the Chinese balance-of-payments suggests otherwise, surely) is the
>American Public, AKA the "great unwashed". <snip>

True enough.

>You go on about Corporate
>America... which, in fact is doing only and exactly what is expected of
>it... providing you with Chinese coffee-makers and extracting
>everything it can from its workers as a matter of simple survival. <snip>

Don't try to reflect this maelstrom of political and economic sludge
on me, buster...I can't even BUY anything US made anymore without a
lot of searching around!  Korporate Amerika killed off our domestic
manufacturing, and with it, the middle class.

>But don't blame Globalization or Corporate Anything for what you (in
>general) <snip>

Quit generalizing that "I" want this garbage.  I don't.  This trash is
for people like Nudo...with mercury poisoned brains!

>And don't try to 'opt out' of that blame
>either... you are the one bragging about your Chinese Coffeemaker,
>after all. <snip>

I didn't buy it...my clueless wife did.  I wanted a Bunn.  Once the
damage was done, however, it was done, so I made do.

> All that crap is just about avoidance... it is sure handy to
>blame others so as not to have to own any of it yourself....  I refer
>you to Matthew 7, in its entirety, but with special reference to Verses
>3-5.  <snip>

Religious claptrap is just that....religious claptrap.  It's for
people like you and Noodles.

Back into your cage!


Article: 335199 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net> <uWieg.1183$ho6.32@trnddc07> <CISdneOzY9KmMODZ4p2dnA@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:32:14 -0500
Message-ID: <447da990$0$26746$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"Bruce Mercer" <maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net> wrote in message 
news:CISdneOzY9KmMODZ4p2dnA@sigecom.net...
> I have a transmitter. I still would like to be able to hook a CD to a 
> radio with a line in for various
> reasons, thus the question.

Well, Bruce, like most folks I just install a jack with the signal connected 
to the top of the volume control (input from the detector stage) and ground 
to the radio's B-. If the device is battery powered and the output is a 
headphone jack, the signal level will be pretty low and you'll have to turn 
it up all the way or use a pre-amp. An AC powered CD player with line-out 
jacks will not present you with this particular problem as the signal level 
should be high enough.

You may want to install a switch to cut off the connection from the detector 
output to the volume control when you want to listen to the CD. And if the 
original source is stereo you'll want one of those two-input-to-one-output Y 
connectors. And finally, if you feel you want a coupling cap between the 
input jack and the volume control you can use something on the order of 
.02uF. 



-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com



Article: 335200 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Small uF value Capacitors for Brunswick 15 Radio
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:38:57 -0700
Message-ID: <10964-447DB891-176@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149088629.028729.269470@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Radio Daze and Antique Electronic Supply both sell film caps in those
values at 630 volts. That would be what I would use to recap that set.



Article: 335201 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:57:08 -0700
Message-ID: <00fr72l2cm3ugdov1iqtvnn2oalmo9pbth@4ax.com>
References: <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com> <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com> <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com> <kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com> <lJ1eg.2295$Oh1.1679@news01.roc.ny> <prgh72dqp6habpsd09nle30th7qrmng5rp@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2805061050180001@216-80-74-228.d.enteract.com> <e5i8np0scg@news1.newsguy.com> <1149087824.069167.187990@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 31 May 2006 08:03:44 -0700, "Stephanie Weil"
<stephanienyc@gmail.com> wrote:

>That's interesting because our much-vaunted Time Warner digital cable
>system compresses the HELL out of most of the channels.  Even the "on
>demand" Pay-per-view stuff.<snip>

Yes...it's pretty much a ripoff.  The compression makes the resolution
just slightly worse than a VHS-HQ home machine, but people don't see
the noise, so they think it's "digital clarity."  It's the biggest
ripoff in TV history.

>You watch these things and you can notice the pixillation, like you're
>watching something that was downloaded from a bit-torrent and then
>burned on Video CD.  And if I can see this on a "blurry" analog TV set,
>imagine what it would look like on a "clean" digital set? <snip>

Even on a "clean" NTSC set with comb filters and good CRT, it's
annoying and just plain bad.

>I tried one of the freebie on-demand channels -- the "Anime Network" --
>and I couldn't watch anything.  About 30 seconds into the cartoon, the
>damned signal stuttered to a halt and broke up into little boxes.
>
>Tried another one of those channels - "National Geographic on Demand"
>-- and the same thing.
>
>Can you imagine the people "renting" pay-per-view movies and having to
>put up with this? <snip>

They will, because they don't know any better.  The US has become a
nation of sheep, ripe for the shearing at will by korporate nabobs
with ever fatter wallets.  Just take a look at the compensation some
of these idiots get, and you start to get mad.  Look further how Wall
St. diefies some of these flam-flam schlock artists like "Neutron
Jack" Welch, and you get madder.


Article: 335202 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1149095641.206332.13960@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for a 78RPM
Message-ID: <Zhkfg.19822$8T4.7636@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:23:05 GMT


<eqlipse@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1149095641.206332.13960@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> I am interested on buying a 78RPM from Rex Records, recorded in 1935,
> Vera Lynn and the Casani Club Orchestra, singing "I'm in the mood for
> love". Please, may you help me?
>
> Kind regards in advance,
>
> Eqlipse.
>

Do you need the original on 78, or are you just looking for that particular 
rendition?

If you are only looking for the performance, it's available on this CD:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4876014158

jim menning





Article: 335203 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve Stone" <zzspfleck@citlink.netzz>
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Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Message-ID: <OImfg.2492$oa1.1615@news02.roc.ny>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:08:14 GMT


> Then: A vehicle for driving is with great specificity not an
> "investment", except as it protects you and your family. There is no
> reason on earth to buy a 'new' car as compared to a decent, well-kept
> used car except for technology.

Not true for used Lincolns. Trust me. 




Article: 335204 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:57:11 -0500
Message-ID: <16029-447E0327-205@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

When Chrysler merged with Daimler,I told people Chrysler messed up.Click
on    www.autoblog.com    and scroll on down and click on Daimler
Chrysler (64) and scroll on down and check out that billboard in
Johnnesburg,Africa and on the billboard is a picture of some sort of
little tooty pooty Daimler Chrysler (or whatever it is) car.To the right
of the picture of the car,it says,
German Engineering                            Swiss Innovation
American Nothing.

No way on Earth would I ever buy a Daimler Chrysler anything!
I went over to my old buddys home this morning to let him give me my
free haircut.(but he won't let me cut his hair) On the way back home,I
saw a nice looking 1950 Ford car for sale at Craft's Used Car lot on
Highway 80.In the 1970's I used to own a 1950 Ford car just like that
one I saw today.Just for the heck of it,I might phone the used car lot
and ask them how much do they want for that car.

By way,if you want a real SUV,look around and find an old Army Duce and
a half truck.I used to drive one in Vietnam in 1964.With a full load and
in low low range and in all wheel drive,those trucks can go anywhere.
cuhulin
 



Article: 335205 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Keepers
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:04:55 -0400
Message-ID: <127s1b65r9jhie5@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <CridnQuiEsRZYOHZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com> <e5iunb$nkm$1@news2.kornet.net> <8uSdnW9SbNsAfuDZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@giganews.com>


"Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> wrote in message 
news:8uSdnW9SbNsAfuDZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
  Why is it so much easier and faster to take things apart than
> to put them back together?

But of course-  it's Entropy. The act of living equals greatly increasing 
GENERAL disorder to create pockets of order i.e. us and all we do. Kinda 
like a refrigerator that runs on burning propane, I reckon.

The more unfinished projects you have, the longer you will live. "I can't 
die, I have to finish these radios". This seems to be the general consensus 
among collectors I've met.

John H. 




Article: 335206 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Dual 6L6 Output in a Table Set
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:11:19 -0400
Message-ID: <127s1jr9f8qeo86@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127pmotnmtl8bb6@corp.supernews.com>   <1149035750.597215.171390@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1149075653.686103.227750@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>


 Rant well understood- and true! MY version of this Emerson DS365 came quite 
securely packed, but had been shaken so severely the chassis (mounted on 
ears to side rails inside the cabinet from below) had come loose and bashed 
the speaker loose too. It does weigh 25 lb. I'd bet, and the design is prone 
to shipping damage.

John H. 




Article: 335207 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: Re: My wife's going to kill me when she finds out.
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:14:06 +0200
Message-ID: <e5l0uv$2gc$02$1@news.t-online.com>
References: <1148952551.083979.42610@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Uz3fg.24$Z53.0@fe03.lga>

Brian Hill wrote <good@it.net>


> You can always paint flowers on it or chickens like the ones we see
on Ebay
> from time to time. Women like that kinda stuff :)

Brian,

<good@it.net> is bouncing ... pleas email me: rarp at n78 dot de

> Brian's Radio Universe
> http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm
>

Famous collection!

Kind Regards,
Georg




Article: 335208 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Another Seller Who Needs to Look Up the Word "Auction"
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:23:05 -0400
Message-ID: <127s29vjktq6497@corp.supernews.com>
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"Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1149034806.595665.159980@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>  .  ain't many deals to be had on the
> good stuff on ebay.
>

One must be cagey, true. But I got this original grill for about half of 
what a repro costs, without it the player might very well have been parted 
out-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6629827554

And this World's Fair just needs a speaker, these are usually pricey-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6626536662&rd

John H. 




Article: 335209 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Hooking a CD player to an old radio line input
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <y_KdnZgZX_nqOuXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net> <uWieg.1183$ho6.32@trnddc07> <CISdneOzY9KmMODZ4p2dnA@sigecom.net> <447da990$0$26746$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <a8OdnZMh-ulemOPZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net>
Message-ID: <1Ynfg.11387$1i1.1663@attbi_s72>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:32:45 GMT

In article <a8OdnZMh-ulemOPZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sigecom.net>, 
maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net says...
>
>
>Thanks guys.
>My next question was going to be could I use a boombox CD player and connect 
>the headphones output to the input of the radio in question, acting as sort 
>of a preamp. Thanks for the answers.
>Bruce
>
Just completed similar hookup today on a Zenith 12s568Z chassis ... remove 
wire from detector and put it on the switch.. wire back to top of volume
control and other side to a pair of RCA jacks .. driving it at the moment
for test purposes with an Elcheapo AM/FM/CD player ... the wifes player
>from the garage/shop .. Earphone jack to Radio.. level is more than
adequate.... about 1/3 volume on the CD player seems to set the level
about the same on the radio ...
John k9uwa



Article: 335210 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149079863.783856.272840@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <6%nfg.11391$1i1.5325@attbi_s72>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:36:02 GMT

In article <1149079863.783856.272840@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, 
mldenison@suscom.net says...
>
>
>About a year ago, I lucked out and got a 147A untouched and
>unassembled.  I had a blast putting it together.  Reminded me of the
>old Heathkit days.  Now I have to learn how to use it.  I bet John does
>too :>)
>
Yup built a few Heathkits in my days.. and a couple other kit items..
John



Article: 335211 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149105491.961278.193070@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Keepers
Message-ID: <58ofg.28484$Lg.3921@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:45:37 GMT


Eddie Brimer <eb062559@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1149105491.961278.193070@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> AK 44 in a pooley "cellarette" cabinet
>

You found a model 44 for the Pooley cabinet?

I'm still looking for some info in the Pooley bar.

Ron





From oldradio-at-wi.rr.com Thu Jun  1 22:53:54 EDT 2006
Article: 335212 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Reply-To: "James Hilins" <oldradio-at-wi.rr.com>
From: "James Hilins" <oldradio@wi.rr.com>
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Subject: Dial Face Close-up Photo Needed
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I need a close up photo of a Coronado Series 7LL dial face, escution, and 
knobs. Something suitable for searching for  replacement parts with.

If you can make a digital scan of the dial face so much the better.

Locating this one has been more of a challenge than I expected.

Thanks Jim 




Article: 335213 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Dan Schwartzman <schwartzman@verizon.net>
Subject: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton K-7 1937
Message-ID: <w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:49:00 GMT

Hello all- I am an infrequent participant here, but am looking for a 
little help. I am repairing a Clinton K7 table set from 1937 or so, with 
  a transformerless circuit involving 6A7, 6D6, 75, 43, and 25Z5, with a 
ballast tube as well. I have recapped and realigned the set without the 
benefit of the schematic, which was not published in Riders, but it is 
similar to many other sets of the era, and it wasn't too hard to figure 
out the trimmers and such. The set is a two band set, with broadcast and 
SW from 2.2-7.4 mc, and is playing, but the set is whistling like crazy 
between stations, especially on the low end of the broadcast band.  The 
IF is apparently 465 and the set tracks properly, but I can't get rid of 
the oscillations. Adding a true ground to the chassis helps, but not 
totally. I have gone over the circuit and darn near replaced every 
resistor and capacitor, except for a couple of mica caps, and have even 
modified the circuit a little, adding some extra bypass caps, to no 
avail. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Dan Schwartzman, Easton, PA
KB3MXP



Article: 335214 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "David D. Berkowitz" <ddb@berkowitzguitars.com>
Subject: Capehart 410M
Message-ID: <Tkpfg.13072$lN5.126@trnddc04>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:07:31 GMT

Anyone know where I can get parts for a Capehart 410.  I need the radio for 
the case I got.

--db 




Article: 335215 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:53:55 -0700
Message-ID: <0h7s729suq3r1vumhsam5m4pl2finr2pi4@4ax.com>
References: <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <16029-447E0327-205@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>

On Wed, 31 May 2006 15:57:11 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>When Chrysler merged with Daimler,I told people Chrysler messed up.Click
>on    www.autoblog.com    and scroll on down and click on Daimler
>Chrysler (64) and scroll on down and check out that billboard in
>Johnnesburg,Africa and on the billboard is a picture of some sort of
>little tooty pooty Daimler Chrysler (or whatever it is) car.To the right
>of the picture of the car,it says,
>German Engineering                            Swiss Innovation
>American Nothing.
>
>No way on Earth would I ever buy a Daimler Chrysler anything! <snip>

They're the best domestic vehicles currently being produced.

>I went over to my old buddys home this morning to let him give me my
>free haircut.(but he won't let me cut his hair) On the way back home,I
>saw a nice looking 1950 Ford car for sale at Craft's Used Car lot on
>Highway 80.In the 1970's I used to own a 1950 Ford car just like that
>one I saw today.Just for the heck of it,I might phone the used car lot
>and ask them how much do they want for that car. <snip>

14 MPG around town, MAYBE 16 on the road.  Why?

>By way,if you want a real SUV,look around and find an old Army Duce and
>a half truck.I used to drive one in Vietnam in 1964.With a full load and
>in low low range and in all wheel drive,those trucks can go anywhere. <snip>

They also have Continental multi-fuel engines that'll run on vegetable
or peanut oil...a perfect shoo-in for biodiesel, although any diesel
will run nicely on biodiesel.  Mine does!


Article: 335216 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:51:32 -0700
Message-ID: <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com>
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 15:42:38 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote:

>DesertBob doesn't have one of the world's great minds, he both wants the
>corporations, U.S. corporations, to provide the goods he wants at low
>prices, i.e. without ripping off the "citizens", while at the same time he
>also wants them to provide high paying jobs for the "citizens". <snip>

That's how it was before the RayGun "Era of Greed" started, if you'd
care to take a look.  It was also the most profitable and rich era of
this nation's history.  Now, we're heading toward third world
status...quickly...with a few fat cats hogging 75% of the wealth, a
very similar situation we had in the US around 1900.

>What is this "K" ILO "C" all about, I don't follow you at all here, but
>then as you know I am sometimes easily confused? <snip>

You're always confused.  "K" ILO "C"?  Maybe he goes to Knights of
Columbus meetings?

WHO CARES?


Article: 335217 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: collectors` stories
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:13:10 -0400
Message-ID: <127s8o9ne4hhha8@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1148989053.597094.122450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>


"Darkness Swallows Me" <darkness.swallows.me@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1148989053.597094.122450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

>   dont have an interaction with the barber and his costumers
>
>

I still have my Barber of Seville costume from last Halloween.

John H. 




Article: 335218 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <447E3380.26C25D7@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Keepers
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:24:35 GMT

Stephanie Weil wrote:
> 
> Brenda Ann wrote:
> 
> > When you going to do another wholesale clearance, Phil? I'm gonna run out of
> > projects soon.  I've even completed the SX-25, except for the replacement
> > tubes.
> 
> Woman, you have SERIOUSLY got to be kidding me?!!?
> 
> Weren't you complaining to me just the other day about you having no
> space and literally working on top of piled up radios?  :-P
> 
> --
> Steph


   She likes it that way! ;-)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 335219 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Well of course it doesn't work DUFUS!
Message-ID: <nRqfg.67697$MM6.59823@bignews3.bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:50:51 -0400

http://cgi.ebay.com/GE-Tube-Battery-Radio-Vintage-Burgundy-Carry-Case_W0QQitemZ9733389672QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50595QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This guy says he plugged in the radio and it only hums.  Well from the pictures
I think I can say I know why.  Nothing a missing 1R5 wouldn't fix!


Article: 335220 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com> <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com> <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com>
Message-ID: <mSqfg.7517$921.3024@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:51:30 GMT


> DesertBob doesn't have one of the world's great minds, he both wants the
> corporations, U.S. corporations, to provide the goods he wants at low
> prices, i.e. without ripping off the "citizens", while at the same time he
> also wants them to provide high paying jobs for the "citizens".  He
> doesn't seem to realize that the two are logically incompatible in an
> increasingly competitive world, the combination of the two being
> potentially detrimental to corporate survival.  I am not sure where he
> expects his high paying jobs with U.S. corporations to come from if the
> corporations don't survive.
> 
That's easy, you just make the corporations stop paying the CEOs the 
hundred million dollar salaries.  Many times those bozos screw up their 
companies anyway.


Article: 335221 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:01:58 -0700
Message-ID: <oues721pchpgip3h5v647qoc4qjr5cmq8n@4ax.com>
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com> <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com> <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com> <mSqfg.7517$921.3024@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:51:30 GMT, robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>That's easy, you just make the corporations stop paying the CEOs the 
>hundred million dollar salaries.  Many times those bozos screw up their 
>companies anyway. <snip>

Examples:

Bob Allen, AT&T
Lay & Skilling, Enron (well, at least they got theirs...hopefully)
"Neutron Jack" Welch, GE (a disaster in the making)
Bernie Ebbers, MCI
Roger Smith, GM (who set the stage for the current GM disaster)

...and on and on and on.  All these halfwits had/have multimillion
dollar compensation packages and options worth much more, and all set
courses that eventually led to or is leading to the collapse of their
respective companies.


From adouglasatgis.net Thu Jun  1 22:53:55 EDT 2006
Article: 335222 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Alan Douglas <adouglasatgis.net>
Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton K-7 1937 table set
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Hi,
   Are there any riveted connections making poor contact?  Did you
replace any resonant bypass capacitors with ordinary ones? (pretty
unlikely, but you did ask)

Alan


Article: 335223 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Dan Schwartzman <schwartzman@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton K-7
References: <w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02><h6pfg.11434$ho6.3922@trnddc07> <1149116385.854271.52520@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <_Drfg.14042$lN5.11027@trnddc04>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:44:26 GMT

AuroraOldRadios wrote:

> Are there tube shields on the converter and IF tubes? If so, are they
> properly grounded? Do all IF windings have good continuity? Has the
> osc. coil been moved? Have you changed the converter tube? Does the
> volume control have proper resistance?
> 
Changed out the AVC cap and no better. Changed the 6A7 tube, no better. 
All shields ok.  The volume control was bridged with a 250k resistor and 
I took this out, maybe a little better, but still whistling. All IF 
windings are good.  I may just live with the whistling, but as the 
repair is for a friend, I hate to send it out less than stellar. Thanks 
for the leads.



Article: 335224 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Dan Schwartzman <schwartzman@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton K-7
References: <w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02><h6pfg.11434$ho6.3922@trnddc07> <1149116385.854271.52520@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e7fs72he8sog0k16p2i9qj4mikq514o8r1@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5Grfg.14066$lN5.1053@trnddc04>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:46:41 GMT

Alan Douglas wrote:

> Hi,
>    Are there any riveted connections making poor contact?  Did you
> replace any resonant bypass capacitors with ordinary ones? (pretty
> unlikely, but you did ask)
> 
> Alan
What do you mean by resonant bypass cap?  I don't know this concept. 
The set had  .01 paper caps, typical, and I tried ceramic discs first at 
.0082 mf then tried film caps at the same rating. No difference.  I will 
   check all the riveted connections next. Thanks.



Article: 335225 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <447E495F.4E3E0D84@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:58:00 GMT

Peter Wieck wrote:
> 
> Bobby-Boy.... My, my, my. You are one ignorant patch of pond-scum, you
> are. In the 60s and early 70s, the US had no real competition at any
> serious level in much of anything. So, during that period, "OUR"
> corporations sold us a bunch of cheaply made, high-priced (as compared
> to wages) crap with no fear. Compare a 70s "Quasar" Televison to
> today's bit of Chinese garbage, and you will actually find _if you look
> with an honest eye_ that the Chinese crapper is a better design using
> fewer parts, less energy, delivers a better picture with better
> resolution, and so forth. Not only that, but when it gets to you via
> Wall Mart, it has come 8000 miles by boat and truck, been handled a
> dozen times... and works right out of the box.  Compare a 1975 Plymouth
> K-Car, Ford Torino, Chevy Impala to a 1975 Benz, Volvo, Saab, VW, even
> a Toyota of the time. What killed American Industry was a combination
> of stick-in-the-mud complacency by Corporate R&D, featherbedding Union
> workers (BTW, in 1982, the average US Steel-Worker made 3.25 hours of
> productivity for 8 hours of pay), and an American Public who
> all-of-a-sudden could get more-for-less by buying off-shore. Some, even
> much of which was (and remains) better made than similar home-built
> products. This was true of Radios (Zenith stopped making radios
> domestically in the 80s, and they were the last), Televisions...
> compare that Sony Trinitron of the 70s to that RCA or that Panasonic to
> that Quasar... and what's worse is that they weren't even cheaper. Just
> better.
> 

   Gee, Peter, I still have the Quasar color TV my dad bought when they
first came out in the late '60s.  It got a new CRT at nine years old,
was hit by lightning three times, and it still works  Show me a Chinese
color TV that makes it 40 years.  Most don't last 4 years.


   As far as Motorola's quality in the '70s, they stopped spending money
on test equipment and training for the production line because sales
were down.  They were still geared to building tube TVs and radios. 
They ignored it till the failure rate for new TVs off the end of the
production line was over 100%. (Multiple failures on some items.)  Like
so many other businesses they were in over the years, they cut and ran
by selling the consumer electronics division to Matsushita, along with
the Quasar name.  The first thing Matsushita did was close the plants to
upgrade them, along with employee training to use the new tools and
methods.  The whole place was modernized and twenty to thirty year old
production and test equipment was all replaced.  It lowered the failure
rate off the production line to under 10%, which translates into lower
failure rates under warranty.

  Since then they have spun off or sold a lot of divisions, to the point
almost nothing new has the Motorola name anymore.  Even their
semiconductor division is chopped to pieces and renamed Freescale. 
There was a long thread on news:sci.electronics .design about it, and
the fact that Freescale required a password to access their website and
the registration script rejected every requested password for a long
list of reasons.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 335226 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Dan Schwartzman <schwartzman@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton K-7
References: <w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02> <1149127137.638956.218550@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <LWrfg.14246$lN5.12618@trnddc04>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:04:27 GMT

pgonshor@aol.com wrote:

> Put a longer antenna wire on it.
> Dave
> 
That did help some, and I have an 80 foot long wire in the attic hooked 
up. I can try my G5RV, but the owner of the set will not have an 
outdoors long wire to use.  Thanks for the suggestion.



Article: 335227 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton K-7
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02> <1149127137.638956.218550@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <LWrfg.14246$lN5.12618@trnddc04>
Message-ID: <G7sfg.11378$No1.4000@attbi_s71>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:18:14 GMT

In article <LWrfg.14246$lN5.12618@trnddc04>, schwartzman@verizon.net 
says...
>
>

As mentioned by someone else... Tube Shields... on this set it will
go bonkers without them being there are grounded to the chassis.
John k9uwa



Article: 335228 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:19:34 -0700
Message-ID: <10471-447E4EB6-555@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net>
References: <w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02>

Dan:
               Try switching off everything in the radio's vicinity
containing a switchmode power supply, like computers etc. Also try the
radio in a different location, away from stray RF noise sources. 
                 Bill(oc)



Article: 335229 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Dual 6L6 Output in a Table Set
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:54:30 -0400
Message-ID: <127slna2nuf4ea@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127pmotnmtl8bb6@corp.supernews.com> <CdadnSptWY6pzOPZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com>

 As Vincent Price used to say on "Batman"-

:Eggcellent! You'll like it!

John H. 




Article: 335230 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:54:20 -0700
Message-ID: <hjls729ggsqre79qikp1u09u1iukjukf29@4ax.com>
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On 31 May 2006 18:28:32 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>Compare a 70s "Quasar" Televison to
>today's bit of Chinese garbage, and you will actually find _if you look
>with an honest eye_ that the Chinese crapper is a better design using
>fewer parts, less energy, delivers a better picture with better
>resolution, and so forth. <snip>

That's not where it's made nor by whom...that's technological
advancement.  BTW, father-in-law's 19" Quasar is still working just
fine, TYVM.

>Compare a 1975 Plymouth
>K-Car <snip>

Chrysler didn't make K-cars in 1975.

As usual, you're just a bag of hot air who loves to see himself in
text.  Prepare to meet your fate in the kill file.

*plonk*


Article: 335231 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:55:51 -0700
Message-ID: <6ols72hdi7jqq8p0hgdfulqhbl67li2ffj@4ax.com>
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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:58:00 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>   Gee, Peter, I still have the Quasar color TV my dad bought when they
>first came out in the late '60s.  It got a new CRT at nine years old,
>was hit by lightning three times, and it still works  Show me a Chinese
>color TV that makes it 40 years.  Most don't last 4 years. <snip>

See?  Again, Peter the Weak blows hot air out his commodious ass.

Enjoy the kill filter, Peter the Weak!  Maybe you can play jerkoff
games with Steven and Skippy!


Article: 335232 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
Subject: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco
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Message-ID: <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:17:12 GMT

Peter Wieck wrote:

> Compare a 70s "Quasar" Televison to today's bit of Chinese garbage,
> and you will actually find _if you look with an honest eye_ that the
> Chinese crapper is a better design using fewer parts, less energy,
> delivers a better picture with better resolution, and so forth.

Peter,

Let me respectfully disagree with your TV example. I'm not sure of the 
point you are trying to make with it (other than demonstrating an 
intuitive grasp of the obvious).

CERTAINLY a 2006 TV set is better, waaaaay better than a 70's set. Less 
parts, less energy, better picture, better resolution? You betcha!

Can you say 'large scale integration undreamed of in the 70s'? Can you 
say 'greatly improved phosphor technology/chemistry'? Can you say 
'digital comb filter technology undreamed of in the 70's'? Lower noise 
front end transistors?

Sure you can!

Bottom line...it would seem that what you are describing (at least with 
your TV example) is due to vast improvements in technology, not 'us vs. 
them'.

Also, FWIW, as the past owner of a brand new 1975 Audi Fox and 1977 
Mercedes 300D, their quality control was nothing to write home about. I 
thought the build quality/reliability of my '63 FI, '70 and '74 Vettes 
was much better (and now that I think about it, my '99 BMW Z-3 had its, 
ahem, "quirks").

Otherwise, I generally agree with most of your other points...



Article: 335233 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:59:51 -0700
Message-ID: <pqls72932giad4qhc69dmrg4a9mkh6ais1@4ax.com>
References: <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com> <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com> <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com> <mSqfg.7517$921.3024@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <oues721pchpgip3h5v647qoc4qjr5cmq8n@4ax.com> <1149125963.616731.133440@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 31 May 2006 18:39:23 -0700, "Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

>Jack Welch made GE the most successful corporation on earth based on
>growth, profit and stability. They are one of the very last full-line
>Domestic manufacturers of appliances, and one of two (2) still making
>small-appliance (home refrigerators & window AC units) compressors in
>the US. <snip>

They don't "make" ANY of that crap here.  It's all "offshored."

> The second maker (Frigidaire) is threatened. <snip>

Frigidaire is a Swedish property, has been for over a decade.

You'd really do well to read a paper now and then.

Enjoy your kill file seat!

>GE is #1 or #2 in every line it has, from appliances to
>aircraft engines, from turbines to locomotives. <snip>

Ask ANY railroader about GE power...you'll get the same answer every
time...trash.  Welch cornered that market by pricing GM, who had their
heads up their asses, out of the market for the most part.  Now, EMD
only makes traction motors and alternators, along with engine parts,
in La Grange, IL.  All the assembly happens in London, ON.  The crappy
quality control of the products that came from London sealed EMD's
fate, as did the disastrous "H" engine.


Article: 335234 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  <1149105491.961278.193070@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  <58ofg.28484$Lg.3921@tornado.southeast.rr.com> <1149127910.802197.107350@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Keepers
Message-ID: <5jtfg.11677$Qg.631@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:38:41 GMT


Eddie Brimer <eb062559@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1149127910.802197.107350@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I remembered you saying that an AK bar was
> sold at the Muchow auction.  After a bunch of searching I found this.
>
> http://users3.ev1.net/~wck5/muchow/auct36.jpg


I just posted a scan of a photo I took of the AK Pooley
bar at Dr. Muchow's when I first visited him in 1985.
It's on the binaries NG.
What a tour that was, Ralph spent about 3 hours showing
me everything, it was a thrill. When I got home I just wanted
to toss all my junk out in the backyard. I knew I'd never have
anything like that.

Good luck on finding the missing model 44.

Ron

--

Radio Collection Web Page,
http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com





Article: 335235 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:06:02 -0400
Message-ID: <4e77dgF1d8aaaU1@individual.net>
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com> <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com> <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com> <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com> <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Peter Wieck wrote:


> 
> Bobby-Boy.... My, my, my. You are one ignorant patch of pond-scum, you
> are. In the 60s and early 70s, the US had no real competition at any
> serious level in much of anything. So, during that period, "OUR"
> corporations sold us a bunch of cheaply made, high-priced (as compared
> to wages) crap with no fear. Compare a 70s "Quasar" Televison to
> today's bit of Chinese garbage, and you will actually find _if you look
> with an honest eye_ that the Chinese crapper is a better design using
> fewer parts, less energy, delivers a better picture with better
> resolution, and so forth. Not only that, but when it gets to you via
> Wall Mart, it has come 8000 miles by boat and truck, been handled a
> dozen times... and works right out of the box.  Compare a 1975 Plymouth
> K-Car, Ford Torino, Chevy Impala to a 1975 Benz, Volvo, Saab, VW, even
> a Toyota of the time. What killed American Industry was a combination
> of stick-in-the-mud complacency by Corporate R&D, featherbedding Union
> workers (BTW, in 1982, the average US Steel-Worker made 3.25 hours of
> productivity for 8 hours of pay), and an American Public who
> all-of-a-sudden could get more-for-less by buying off-shore. Some, even
> much of which was (and remains) better made than similar home-built
> products. This was true of Radios (Zenith stopped making radios
> domestically in the 80s, and they were the last), Televisions...
> compare that Sony Trinitron of the 70s to that RCA or that Panasonic to
> that Quasar... and what's worse is that they weren't even cheaper. Just
> better.

hey wieck, this is where your ignorance shows.
i was in the home electronics service industry in the late sixties & early
seventies & i can tell you right now that that all of the electronic
equipment that was made in the orient since the late seventies was / is
garbage. this shit from china is even worse. there are NO better
televisions made any more. they are cheap & disposable. what really pisses
me off is when ignorent bastards like you try to force your opinions as
fact.
apparently, you have no idea that this chinese made garbage has forced the
television service industry almost completely out of buisness.
what killed the electronics industry was the government-sanctioned "dumping"
of electronics from the japanese at below market value. this was going on 
throughout the sixties & seventies. our electronics industry couldent 
compete on those terms. zenith radio corporation fought a long legal battle
against the U.S. trade office for years with no relief, yes, our government
under the nixon administration was the beginning to the end of our
electronics industry.

> 
> You need to read some history. And you need to understand some
> home-truths. If the first bits and pieces that came from off-shore
> stayed on the store shelves, that would have been that. But they did
> not. They got snapped up. And so did what followed. And the Japanese
> discovered that with a little bit of attention to detail and a
> near-fanatical attention to quality, they could eat our lunch, get a
> good start on our breakfast and ultimately threaten our dinner. AND WE
> LET IT HAPPEN. Each day we chose to purchase a gas-hog and send more
> than 2/3 of our oil money off-country (just over 25% to Canada and
> Mexico, 20% to the Middle East, 20% to Argentina, Nigeria and similar,
> 5% to Russia/North Sea & just under 30% domestic), we dig a shovel-full
> of our own grave. Every time we felt 'entitled' to a living, we dig
> some more. Every time we bitch about the cost of education and whine
> about school failure and school taxes without getting directly
> involved, we use a D9 High-Wheel and a Track-Hoe to dig even faster and
> harder.
> 
> The world owes me _nothing_ that I do not work for. I am not entitled
> to _anything_ that I have not earned by my own efforts, knowledge and
> skills. It is up to _ONLY_ me to keep my skills and knowledge current
> and relevant so that I may continue to _EARN_ a living by my own
> willing efforts. There is no _free lunch_. There is no _guarantee_ of a
> job anywhere, anytime, any how. The merest expectation of any of this
> is the first step on a deadly, inevitable trail of failure. Do you know
> the definition of "Profit"? It is the difference between what you
> produce is worth and what you are paid. Unless that difference exists,
> you will never have an opportunity to produce _ANYTHING_. Even for
> yourself. Just think about that before you react. If you can (think,
> that is).
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA


spoken like a true globalist.
as far as i am concerned, you are a traitor.
-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 335236 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <447E6E47.19C8FEA9@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 04:34:16 GMT

Peter Wieck wrote:
> 
> YIKES!!
> 
> "Only" 10%......
> 
> "Only" 10%......
> 
> Consider the implications of that statement.


   I did when I posted it.  Its you who doesn't understand the
"Implications"


> Those years when I worked as a machinist, if I had a 10%
> failure-in-service rate, thousands of people might be _Dead_. There was
> a period of time between ~1975 and ~1980-or-so, when about every GE
> turbofan engine had a part in it with my signature and/or initials +
> employee-number on it (depending on the part). Were that part to fail
> the engine would shut down almost instantly, and possibly
> spectacularly.


   See below about a spectacular failure!

 
> Each morning, the foreman would start the day: REMEMBER, you are paid
> by the hour, NOT by the piece. Get it right, take your time, get it
> right.
> 
> We took the work very seriously. Later, Westinghouse Europe awarded the
> company some very critical cooling-train parts for breeder reactors in
> France. Some of those also had my signature on them and some are still
> in service. The company still exists, still is healthy and still takes
> good care of its people... and STILL pays them by the hour, not by the
> piece. Although that foreman is amongst the departed. MHRIP.
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA



   Obviously, you know nothing absolutely about electronics
manufacturing, or electrical QC.  The "failure" can be anything from a
bad part, a part in the wrong place, a bad solder joint, unsigned
paperwork, or cosmetic damage.  It can be boards sent back for an ECO
that were produced before the change was signed off.  Its faster o keep
making the board and have a part or two changed later than to shut the
whole line done for days while the ECO goes through the channels. For
the startup of a new line with all new equipment that is hand assembled
it was the target for the first few weeks, till they ECO'd out the
problems.  Being a machinist is a whole different game.  With modern CNC
machines the failure rate is a lot lower than it used to be.

   My test stamp is in on parts in orbit, and we didn't have 0% off the
assembly line. We made sure the equipment was 100% before we shipped
it.  You better hope we didn't ship any crap.  Microdyne was NASA's
supplier for "Command Destruct Receivers", along with Telemetry
receivers. If one of the "Command Destruct Receivers" fails they may not
be able to destroy an out of control missile.   Some Telemetry receivers
were in service over 30 years with zero downtime when I left the
company.



-- 
My sig file can beat up your sig file!


Article: 335237 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:42:56 -0700
Message-ID: <4ivs72pasba17i9c4hltg69tu2037mf88k@4ax.com>
References: <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com> <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com> <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com> <1148904006.983920.49750@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <OImfg.2492$oa1.1615@news02.roc.ny> <1149106286.506644.42000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

On 31 May 2006 13:11:26 -0700, "Stephanie Weil"
<stephanienyc@gmail.com> wrote:

>That's because they've usually done time at a taxi-cab company - more
>commonly a "Livery" type service. <snip>

Maybe in Noo Yawk.  Nowhere else in creation does that happen.


Article: 335238 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Sofa Slug <sofaslug403spamnot@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton K-7
References: <w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02>
Message-ID: <wpvfg.43734$Lm5.21735@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:02:04 GMT

Some good suggestions have been provided already, but I'll add my 2 cents...

Did you ground the new capacitors to the same places as the originals? 
Usually new caps can use closer grounds, but in some critical circuits 
the longer ground paths were important.

I've also had some luck with this type of problem by dressing wires in 
RF/IF areas as close to the chassis as possible. Try using something 
non-conductive like a popsicle stick to carefully move wires around 
and/or press them flat against the chassis. See if this has any effect 
on the oscillation.

If you have not already done so, you might try increasing the AVC bypass 
cap value.

Have any of the original IF xfrmrs been changed? If so, try swapping the 
plate windings on the new xfrmr(s).

As a last ditch effort, you could try detuning the IF a bit by "stagger 
tuning" maybe 5-10 KC on either side of the peak. This will lower the 
gain of course, but there may be enough reserve gain to get away with it.


Article: 335239 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:52:50 -0700
Message-ID: <ksvs725an2d91qborhp8g398j25dt4kmhr@4ax.com>
References: <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com> <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com> <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com> <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com> <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4e77dgF1d8aaaU1@individual.net>

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:06:02 -0400, Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com> wrote:

>hey wieck, this is where your ignorance shows. <snip>

Daily.  When's the last time that poppinjay ever posted anything about
anything regarding electronics or radio?

>i was in the home electronics service industry in the late sixties & early
>seventies & i can tell you right now that that all of the electronic
>equipment that was made in the orient since the late seventies was / is
>garbage. this shit from china is even worse. there are NO better
>televisions made any more. they are cheap & disposable. what really pisses
>me off is when ignorent bastards like you try to force your opinions as
>fact. <snip>

Which is why he's in the kill file bucket, along with "Skippy" and
Steven the whacky juke box foamer.

>apparently, you have no idea that this chinese made garbage has forced the
>television service industry almost completely out of buisness.
>what killed the electronics industry was the government-sanctioned "dumping"
>of electronics from the japanese at below market value. this was going on 
>throughout the sixties & seventies. our electronics industry couldent 
>compete on those terms. zenith radio corporation fought a long legal battle
>against the U.S. trade office for years with no relief, yes, our government
>under the nixon administration was the beginning to the end of our
>electronics industry. <snip>

Amen to THAT!  Zenith blew millions trying to force the Nixon Repukes
to do their job...execute the law as proscibed by Congress...all to no
avail.  GE, prior to being screwed up by "Neutron Jackass," also was
in the frey, but as soon as the Jackass took over, one of the first
things he did was start shutting down US plants.  Now, be it known
that I never saw a "good" GE color TV from Buffalo...period...but it
wasn't the plant nor the workers' fault...it was bad engineering.
Welch, wanting quick results so he could justify his completely out of
line compensation demands, started shutting down domestic production
and tanked their part in the industry.

>> The world owes me _nothing_ <snip>

....except a foot up your ass and a trip to the kill file toilet.

*kerFLUSH*


Article: 335240 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02>
Subject: Re: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton K-7 1937 table set
Message-ID: <Vmwfg.4479$7e.1702@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:07:33 GMT

The last 2 times this happened to me I found it was an odd combination of 
the new style film caps having different reactions with nearby parts like 
coils and tube bases and leads. I went through everything 5 times before 
that - even took apart and recapped the IFs (they were fine) and replaced 
all the resistors in the RF and IF circuits. No change.

Then the discovery.

It _seems_ that the modern caps do not contain or resist nearby fields like 
the old paper and foil ones did. There's no "outside foil" shield effect. 
Normally this isn't a problem but there is the occasional layout and design 
where it matters.

The cure is placement away from the location the original part occupied near 
antenna entry, rf coil, or oscillator coil - and sometimes high-gain stages 
such as RF amps.

I went nuts checking and rechecking things and still having whines and 
putt-putts until I stuck an older-style paper (in epoxy) cap in place of one 
in the RF amp and osc section of a set and had the problem instantly clear 
up.

A little experimentation demonstrated that I could locate the current film 
caps elsewhere and not have it near the sensitive area and get the desired 
result. Placing it in the original location set up some feedback or field 
disruption issue.

These are usually caps that filter the AVC or bypass one of the early 
stages. Just for the heck of it, try hooking subs up with long leads to get 
them out of the vicinity of where the original was mounted and see what 
happens. If things change for the better you're on the right track.

In one tight chassis I had to make a little shield around the cap with some 
self-adhesive aluminum grounded to the same place as the cap (B- or chassis, 
depending on design.) I wrapped it in insulating tube to prevent shorts and 
the set is happy with it.

Not saying that this is your problem but I wouldn't be shocked if it were.

Ray

"Dan Schwartzman" <schwartzman@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02...
> Hello all- I am an infrequent participant here, but am looking for a 
> little help. I am repairing a Clinton K7 table set from 1937 or so, with a 
> transformerless circuit involving 6A7, 6D6, 75, 43, and 25Z5, with a 
> ballast tube as well. I have recapped and realigned the set without the 
> benefit of the schematic, which was not published in Riders, but it is 
> similar to many other sets of the era, and it wasn't too hard to figure 
> out the trimmers and such. The set is a two band set, with broadcast and 
> SW from 2.2-7.4 mc, and is playing, but the set is whistling like crazy 
> between stations, especially on the low end of the broadcast band.  The IF 
> is apparently 465 and the set tracks properly, but I can't get rid of the 
> oscillations. Adding a true ground to the chassis helps, but not totally. 
> I have gone over the circuit and darn near replaced every resistor and 
> capacitor, except for a couple of mica caps, and have even modified the 
> circuit a little, adding some extra bypass caps, to no avail. Any 
> suggestions would be appreciated. Dan Schwartzman, Easton, PA
> KB3MXP
> 




Article: 335241 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <C_SdnSDii_v71-bZRVn-ig@comcast.com> <17161-447B9B8D-138@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: GE "Musaphonic" AA5
Message-ID: <gGwfg.3671$%h.31@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:28:12 GMT

That's the problem with most of the ones with the raised speaker housings - 
noisy IFTs. (All of them can suffer from it though the plug-in style is the 
worst.)

A pain to fix but the result is great.

Ray

"Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:17161-447B9B8D-138@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net...
> When i was a young lad we had a brown GE in the kitchen . It was the one
> with the speaker portion taller than the rest of the cabiet and a red
> spot for a dial light .
> My dad kept taking it to the shop for static .. back then they could not
> figure out bad IF cans .
> 




Article: 335242 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <447ec501$0$31638$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>   <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com>   <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com>   <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com>   <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com> <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Date: 01 Jun 2006 10:44:17 GMT

Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net> wrote:
> CERTAINLY a 2006 TV set is better, waaaaay better than a 70's set. Less 
> parts, less energy, better picture, better resolution? You betcha!

This is only partially true for Europe. Philips was one of the first to 
make virtually indestructible television sets, most notably their first 
solid state set, the K9 of 1972 and its late seventies successor, the K11 
with inline tube. Those sets were very reliable, but still had a somewhat 
high energy consumption (195 watts). The most reliable CRT television sets 
EVER were made in the early eighties. Grundig started their first line of 
CUC chassis around that time. Philips introduced the K40 chassis, which 
was not only very dependable (after some minor modifications, most notably 
the 1993 recall in which Philips technicians came to the customer's homes, 
for free, to fix the then 6 to 11 year old sets because some loose solder 
connections could cause a fire hazard when the TV was left playing with 
obvious defects) but had similair energy consumption to now modern sets 
(around 90 watts for a 22 or 26" set). Both Philips and Grundig had their 
share of problems after that, especially Grundig that continued for 
several years to use HV triplers which were very unreliable. My daily 
driver is a 1991 high-end Grundig TV, in which the tripler was swapped for 
a better one. It has a somewhat better picture compared to older sets, and 
is reliable enough. Later sets may be nicer in features, but I haven't 
seen anything significantly better in picture or manufacturing quality. 
Keep in mind I am talking about high-end models now. Low-end brands always 
had problems, and I certainly wouldn't advise people to buy one of those, 
unless cheap second hand.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 335243 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Hammarlund HQ-100 tube placement chart needed
Message-ID: <HuBfg.5459$W97.2210@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:57:11 GMT

I have the manual but it does not include a tube placement chart. I am 
fixing this for a friend and am not sure the tubes are correctly placed.


Article: 335244 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <pe6dna8nOqK5AuTZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com> <Xns97D460CB1AAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Subject: Re: Power Button fix
Message-ID: <uyBfg.14417$xO5.5538@trnddc03>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:01:14 GMT


"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message 
news:Xns97D460CB1AAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in
> news:e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com:
>
> My only complaint is the damned power button depresses in my toolbox,
> killing the 9V battery.

Glue a grommet of appropriate size around the button.  I have an antenna 
analyzer that I did this to. The carry case pushes the button in.  Works 
great.

PP 




Article: 335245 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca>
Subject: RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) TAGS
Message-ID: <0RBfg.1479$Su3.131282@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:53:14 -0230

The increasing use of RFID tagging systems?
Apology for slightly off topic but maybe of interest to Long Wavers. Others?
Was just listening to a radio programme; good ole 640 kilocycles AM btw, to 
someone who has implanted RFID tags in both hands and uses these to operate 
his car, open his front door etc.
What seemed interesting was that frequencies of 124 and 137 kilohertz were 
mentioned!
Had always imagined that these RFID things worked at much higher 
frequencies.
Apart from some European 'Long Wave' broadcasters 100 to 300 kHz. is the 
band used for 'Radio Beacons'; a frequency band that doesn't appear on most 
North American radios? Also below most IFs.
The speaker also implied that some 'scanners' ( I guess that's the devices 
that are either handheld or are part of the cash register/check out)  can be 
quite cheap; like $40 new?
Could any of those devices, as they become more common (used/surplus etc.) 
be of any interest, of concern, or possibly of use to those of us who 
experiment or fix radios etc.?
BTW: Also heard about someone with an RFID tagged ski jacket (for avalanches 
rescue) who set off exit alarms when walking past certain stores. 




Article: 335246 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02> <Vmwfg.4479$7e.1702@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton K-7 1937 table set
Message-ID: <b4Cfg.8$_k6.7@newsfe22.lga>
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 08:38:56 -0500


"Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com> wrote in message
news:Vmwfg.4479$7e.1702@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> The last 2 times this happened to me I found it was an odd combination of
> the new style film caps having different reactions with nearby parts like
> coils and tube bases and leads. I went through everything 5 times before
> that - even took apart and recapped the IFs (they were fine) and replaced
> all the resistors in the RF and IF circuits. No change.
>
> Then the discovery.
>
> It _seems_ that the modern caps do not contain or resist nearby fields
like
> the old paper and foil ones did. There's no "outside foil" shield effect.
> Normally this isn't a problem but there is the occasional layout and
design
> where it matters.
>
> The cure is placement away from the location the original part occupied
near
> antenna entry, rf coil, or oscillator coil - and sometimes high-gain
stages
> such as RF amps.
(Snipped)
Ray

It seems to me that you may have hit on something important when we're
using the new caps.  Many of the older ones had a mark indicating "outer
foil".
If the new ones are still made with two coiled foils (I haven't opened one),
one of the foils "should" be on the outside, and maybe simply reversing the
cap end-for-end would solve the problem.  I sort of thought of that in
passing
on a couple of  occasions, but the thought never really seemed important as
long as things worked, and I just went on to replace the next one.
    Is there any way to tell which would be the outer foil on the new ones?
    Cheers,
    Nelson





Article: 335247 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Chris F." <zappymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
Subject: Raytheon RK-45 Tubes
Message-ID: <uLCfg.16000$A26.371771@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:23:22 GMT

  A friend who recently acquired an estate of old radios, brought me what he 
thought was an amplifier from an old Hammond organ, to sell for him. 
However, it says "Model G Tuning Fork Regulator", so I'm assuming it isn't 
an amp at all - though I'm not really sure just what it is. The interesting 
part is that among the tubes are a pair of ceramic-based Raytheon RK-45 's, 
and I can't find any vendor or Ebay seller who has these for sale, so I 
could determine their value. At this point, I'm thinking the tubes are worth 
far more than the unit itself, and am considering selling them separately - 
would that be a good idea?

-- 
To reply via Email, remove NOSPAM from the address 




Article: 335248 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <447EFA5A.3CE80CF8@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philcoin 
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>   <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com>   <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com>   <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com>   <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com>   <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> <1149165148.133345.164470@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <I6CdnaVTw-4qbOPZnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:32:06 GMT

Bill Cohn wrote:
> 
> Peter Wieck wrote:
> > But, for all that, the US makes _NO_ LCD screens of any kind, and never
> > did. Only one VCR was ever made (assembled, actually) in the US, and it
> > did not last. Anyone here remember it? No DVD/CD transports are made in
> >
> > Peter Wieck
> > Wyncote, PA
> >
> 
> Cartravision - 1973 or 1974. It was a flop in the marketplace.
> 
> I was working for Zenith at the time designing TV sets. I think we did a
> good job at the time. We were developing new technologies in that
> consumer product space. I would easily compare my products with those of
> Sony or any of the other offshore companies at the time. At that time we
> were producing televisions in plants in Chicago and Taiwan. The designs
> all came from the US. It was increasingly difficult to get US sourced
> parts as these products, resistors and capacitors, were not made here.
> 
> Bill Cohn - N9MHT


   The test fixtures and some prototype Cartrivision assemblies were
still in the Cincinnati, Ohio AVCO Electronics plant when Cincinnati
Electronics took over the military electronics operation. They were
still in storage when I worked QC on the PRC-77 radio a few years later,
along with maybe 1000 pieces of excess test equipment.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 335249 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve" <zarco@sonic.net>
Subject: who rebuilds meters?
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:44:57 -0700
Message-ID: <447efd6e$0$96959$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>

A friend just bought a used Henry amp, and the meters need
to be rebuilt. Can anyone here suggest a good reliable person
that does this? TIA.

                             Steve 




Article: 335250 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <447F05DA.3840D72@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philcoin 
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>   <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com>   <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com>   <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com>   <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com>   <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   <1149165148.133345.164470@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <I6CdnaVTw-4qbOPZnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149171532.833003.39380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <5P-dnekpbsxdZ-PZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:21:10 GMT

Bill Cohn wrote:
> 
> Peter Wieck wrote:
> > Bill Cohn wrote:
> >> Peter Wieck wrote:
> >>> But, for all that, the US makes _NO_ LCD screens of any kind, and never
> >>> did. Only one VCR was ever made (assembled, actually) in the US, and it
> >>> did not last. Anyone here remember it? No DVD/CD transports are made in
> >>>
> >>> Peter Wieck
> >>> Wyncote, PA
> >>>
> >> Cartravision - 1973 or 1974. It was a flop in the marketplace.
> >>
> >> I was working for Zenith at the time designing TV sets. I think we did a
> >> good job at the time. We were developing new technologies in that
> >> consumer product space. I would easily compare my products with those of
> >> Sony or any of the other offshore companies at the time. At that time we
> >> were producing televisions in plants in Chicago and Taiwan. The designs
> >> all came from the US. It was increasingly difficult to get US sourced
> >> parts as these products, resistors and capacitors, were not made here.
> >>
> >> Bill Cohn - N9MHT
> >
> > Cartravision was a unique format, was it not?
> >
> > I had "GO VIDEO" in mind, briefly (very briefly) assembled in Arizona
> > before leaping overseas. Their claim to fame was both the US flag
> > (assembled in) flag on the box, and the fact that they were a
> > dual-deck. As I remember, they were quite expensive for not-so-hot
> > results.
> >
> > Peter Wieck
> > Wyncote, PA
> >
> Cartravision had a unique cassette and used a form of compression
> referred to as skip field as it only recorded every third field. That
> made for rather poor resolution. Cartravision was sold by Sears under
> the Silvertone brand and Admiral also had a model in their product line.
> 
> By the way the company I work for now, Videotek a division of Harris,
> makes their products in Pottstown, PA.
> 
> Bill Cohn - N9MHT


   Is that the same Videotek that used to gut Sony Trinitron TV sets to
convert them into video monitors?  They pulled the tuners and added
pairs audio and video inputs, along with an A-B switch.  WACX TV in
orlando had several of them in the late '80s when I was one of the
engineers there.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 335251 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:30:38 -0700
Message-ID: <0q1u729afkq8mkil69i8feq2tjr0stvuss@4ax.com>
References: <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com>   <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com>   <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com>   <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com> <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> <PcOdnf31iKXpUuPZRVn-jg@comcast.com>

On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 04:29:55 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

>But this difference goes back to the '70s. The first Sony Trinitrons knocked
>the pants off American-made sets for picture quality. They didn't have
>better technology (except, arguably, the CRT); they just used it better.
>That is, they cared about producing a better set with a better picture. <snip>

The only thing Sony had going was the Trinitron CRT, which neatly got
rid of all the previous dynamic convergence problems that buyers were
used to getting on conventional CRTs.  In retrospect, it was a given
that people wouldn't have a serviceman come out and properly align a
set; they'd just sit and bitch about it.  The Trinitron eliminated
that irritant, and thus, people thought they were "better."  They
weren't.  The rest of the electronics was fraught with failures, as is
any Sony product even today.


Article: 335252 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
From: Larry <noone@home.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <pe6dna8nOqK5AuTZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com> <Xns97D460CB1AAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <q1bq72l0d47ovu27651ldhiomvsrb2bea6@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97D57A003E3ACnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:59:32 -0400

DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in 
news:q1bq72l0d47ovu27651ldhiomvsrb2bea6@4ax.com:

> Why do that?  Just bypass the manuals and drawbars and go directly
> into the preamp!  Why complicate simplicity?
> 
> 

I work on more than just Hammonds....



Article: 335253 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) TAGS
From: Larry <noone@home.com>
References: <0RBfg.1479$Su3.131282@news20.bellglobal.com>
Message-ID: <Xns97D57AB4EFC73noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:03:41 -0400

"Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:0RBfg.1479$Su3.131282@news20.bellglobal.com: 

> BTW: Also heard about someone with an RFID tagged ski jacket (for
> avalanches rescue) who set off exit alarms when walking past certain
> stores. 
> 
> 

I carry as many "hot" alarm tags as I can stuck to my wallet.  Best Buy, 
Circuit City, Sears, etc., all "go off" as I come INTO the stores.  I tell 
'em I have a metal plate in my head...(c;



Article: 335254 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:19:02 -0400
Message-ID: <4e8ibpF1ckg0uU1@individual.net>
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com> <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com> <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com> <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com> <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4e77dgF1d8aaaU1@individual.net> <1149136516.100516.266590@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Steven wrote:

> 
> Radio Rambler wrote:

> 
> KNOWS WHAT?
> 
> Most "Japanese" electronics went to Taiwan, then Korea, Malaysia then
> China if the Japanese company wasn't simply purchased by Hong Kong
> interests. Sony TVs were built in America for quite some time. A lot of
> things are built in Mexico (which you'd think was helping Mexicans, but
> I guess not).

this is where YOUR stupidity shows, Dinius
Sony tv's were never built here. the chassis was usually made in japan or
malaysia.

-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 335255 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:13:21 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447F1221-1122@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149128557.405053.207770@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

I will always stick up for American manufactured products.(I do
appreciate other peoples opinions,both pro and con) How many times have
y'all been driving along and seen old,old,old American manufactured
vehicles still plugging along on the roads,highways,interstates,you name
it.Good old American Iron last forever.How many old,old,old foreign name
brand vehicles do y'all see still plugging along out there?
cuhulin 



Article: 335256 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:29:14 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447F15DA-1123@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>

Back in the 1930's,or before,or not too long after,Mercedes Benz and
Fiat had factories in New York.(LQQK it up if y'all dont believe me) and
in the 1940's,Rolls Royce had a factory in Massachutessetts.(I apologize
if I didn't spell Mass right) Rolls Royce's ''official'' explanation for
pulling out of America was not enough sales.

The real truth (concerning Rolls Royce (LQQK it up) was the Rolls Royce
factory in America was building Rolls Royce cars better and the cars
were more reliable than the Rolls Royce cars built in England.

I know a married Irish woman whom is married to an Irish guy and they
live in Bognor Regis,England.They live not far from the Rolls Royce
(BMW/Rolls Royce) factory at Longwood.
cuhulin 



Article: 335257 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:32:30 -0500
Message-ID: <8238-447F169E-225@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4e77dgF1d8aaaU1@individual.net>

Peter Wieck makes perfectly good sense.Peter,I am not ''funny'' and I am
not kissing up to you.
cuhulin



Article: 335258 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:35:08 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447F173C-1124@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <447E6E47.19C8FEA9@earthlink.net>

I dont know much about electronics.That doesn't make me stupid,it makes
me dumb.
cuhulin



Article: 335259 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:33:01 -0700
Message-ID: <622u725bs43nr5th6tg8ajetp9qqr3fivv@4ax.com>
References: <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com>   <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com>   <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com>   <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> <1149165148.133345.164470@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <I6CdnaVTw-4qbOPZnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:53:08 -0500, Bill Cohn <billcohn1.comcast.net>
wrote:

>I was working for Zenith at the time designing TV sets. I think we did a 
>good job at the time. <snip>

Oh yes...those Zeniths were truly the "zenith" of the US television
market.  I've had two of the 25"ers (forgot the chassis number by
now), one of which is still working fine.  Those were fantastic sets.

>It was increasingly difficult to get US sourced 
>parts as these products, resistors and capacitors, were not made here. <snip>

Exactly.  Foreign interests, notably the Japanese, priced traditional
domestic producers out of the market for non-MIL-spec or industrial
grade stuff, and it all went overseas.


Article: 335260 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:48:44 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447F1A6C-1125@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149136516.100516.266590@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

My RCA 27 inch screen tv set was put together in Mexico.(let me get that
RCA remote and see how many hours I have on it now,since first turned on
October 15,1999,,, 44,553 hours,as of right now) I bought it on October
15,1999 at a Wal Mart store.So far,it is still working just as good as
new.I only use it for my webtv thangy.I have another tv set for watching
old,old movies on DirecTV.Sure,I can get them little picture in picture
thingys on both tv sets.But what is the use of little pictures in medium
size tv sets anyway? Do I want to look at those Hungarian wimmins in a
little picture in picture thingy? Heck NO! I like them on full
screen.But,that's just me.
cuhulin



Article: 335261 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:12:19 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447F1FF3-1126@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <447ec501$0$31638$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>

All of my webtv equipment says Philips Magnavox on there.Now,I realize
this isn't a politics website.But I sort of know a woman whom lives in
Lima,Ohio and she is all about politics talking stuff.(y'all might find
her at   www.pipelinenews.com   it might be a dot org) She has (she is
about 57 years old) worked at several American factories in the Lima
area before,as usual,fed govt sold them down the River,she worked at a
Murray Bicycle factory in the Lima area,other Lima factories.Philips put
a new factory in the Lima area a few years ago.She once told me she
doesn't like my atrocious language and she won't email me
anymore.(Rosie,I still likes ya) I used to wait up to about 2:30 AM
every morning/night for good old Rosie to get home from work and she and
I used to talk some politics.I sent her some politics (rackjite and
others) sites she had never heard of before.

Hows the Fishing at Indian Lake,Rosie?
cuhulin



Article: 335262 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:17:09 -0500
Message-ID: <8239-447F2115-67@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <PcOdnf31iKXpUuPZRVn-jg@comcast.com>

World War Two,We knocked the britches off of all them furriners.We are
knocking the britches off of them islam jihads now.
cuhulin
[Keep On Knocking] 



Article: 335263 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Chris F." <zappymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
References: <uLCfg.16000$A26.371771@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject: Re: Raytheon RK-45 Tubes
Message-ID: <YIFfg.16088$A26.373602@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 17:45:28 GMT

My mistake - these are RK-49, not RK-45. I found some NOS RK-49's selling 
for $40 apiece. But if anyone has any info on the value of this Hammond 
regulator, I'd like to know.

"Chris F." <zappymanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:uLCfg.16000$A26.371771@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>  A friend who recently acquired an estate of old radios, brought me what 
> he thought was an amplifier from an old Hammond organ, to sell for him. 
> However, it says "Model G Tuning Fork Regulator", so I'm assuming it isn't 
> an amp at all - though I'm not really sure just what it is. The 
> interesting part is that among the tubes are a pair of ceramic-based 
> Raytheon RK-45 's, and I can't find any vendor or Ebay seller who has 
> these for sale, so I could determine their value. At this point, I'm 
> thinking the tubes are worth far more than the unit itself, and am 
> considering selling them separately - would that be a good idea?
>
> -- 
> To reply via Email, remove NOSPAM from the address
> 




Article: 335264 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Power Button fix
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <pe6dna8nOqK5AuTZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com> <Xns97D460CB1AAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <uyBfg.14417$xO5.5538@trnddc03>
Message-ID: <%NFfg.6644$EX2.3896@bignews5.bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:50:20 -0500

Paul P wrote:
> "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message 
> news:Xns97D460CB1AAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>> "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in
>> news:e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com:
>>
>> My only complaint is the damned power button depresses in my toolbox,
>> killing the 9V battery.
> 
> Glue a grommet of appropriate size around the button.  I have an antenna 
> analyzer that I did this to. The carry case pushes the button in.  Works 
> great.
> 
> PP 
> 
> 
> 
I've done the same thing, only used a slice of an appropriately-sized 
plastic bottle cap...a little more robust, but same concept.




Article: 335265 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:53:24 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447F2994-1146@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4e8ibpF1ckg0uU1@individual.net>

My stupidity shows when it shows.Once in a while though,I think I am at
least halfway right.
cuhulin



Article: 335266 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:59:58 -0500
Message-ID: <8238-447F2B1E-232@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <622u725bs43nr5th6tg8ajetp9qqr3fivv@4ax.com>

Zenith equals over priced,overated,JUNK.Zenith never built anything that
was any good.I worked at a Zenith factory in the Shytown area in 1960.
At zenith,The Name Means Junk,Crap! F..k You,Zenith!!!! JUNK!
cuhulin



Article: 335267 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:00:48 -0500
Message-ID: <8238-447F2B50-234@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <622u725bs43nr5th6tg8ajetp9qqr3fivv@4ax.com>

Zenith SUCKS!
cuhulin



Article: 335268 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:05:55 -0500
Message-ID: <8239-447F2C83-70@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <622u725bs43nr5th6tg8ajetp9qqr3fivv@4ax.com>

Ther's a party,,,,,, a party goin on,,,,,, at Rapids Water Park.Let me
git my 11 inches of kitestring on and head on over to Rapids On The
Reservoir.
cuhulin



Article: 335269 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
References: <1149128557.405053.207770@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <8237-447F1221-1122@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <wqGfg.779$jB5.527@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:34:04 GMT

cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

> I will always stick up for American manufactured products.(I do
> appreciate other peoples opinions,both pro and con) How many times have
> y'all been driving along and seen old,old,old American manufactured
> vehicles still plugging along on the roads,highways,interstates,you name
> it.Good old American Iron last forever.How many old,old,old foreign name
> brand vehicles do y'all see still plugging along out there?
> cuhulin 
> 
The Pinto I had just out of college was constantly breaking down.  The 
Honda I had after that held up very well.  I think the American auto 
makers forgot how much people hate being stranded on the road by a 
broken down car...


Article: 335270 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:21:21 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447F3021-1158@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <h2lj72h0ucosfj2pvh74v8oc05vhh9bk88@4ax.com>

Well,go buy some old Philco Radios and be happy.I own a bunch of old,old
Philco tube type and transistor Philco Radios and they all work OK.
cuhulin 



Article: 335271 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:28:34 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447F31D2-1160@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <Xns97D57A003E3ACnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>

I trarrrrced herrr little footprints in the snow,,,,,,,,,, I traced
herrrr little footprinths in the snowwwwwww,,,,,,,,

A Cowboys Calf had got out of the Barn,he traced herrrr little
footprints in the snow.He Saddled up,went out and brought that Calf back
to the Barn.
True Story.
cuhulin



Article: 335272 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Power Button fix
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:31:16 -0500
Message-ID: <8237-447F3274-1162@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <%NFfg.6644$EX2.3896@bignews5.bellsouth.net>

I think that BEllSouth woman next door wants me to ''push her button''
I am scared.
cuhulin  



Article: 335273 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>   <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com>   <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com>   <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com>   <mSqfg.7517$921.3024@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>   <oues721pchpgip3h5v647qoc4qjr5cmq8n@4ax.com> <1149125963.616731.133440@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <ziGfg.7727$921.659@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:25:35 GMT


> Jack Welch made GE the most successful corporation on earth based on
> growth, profit and stability. They are one of the very last full-line
> Domestic manufacturers of appliances, and one of two (2) still making
> small-appliance (home refrigerators & window AC units) compressors in
> the US. The second maker (Frigidaire) is threatened. They are the
> _last_ domestic full-line manufacturer of light bulbs (properly,
> lamps). GE is #1 or #2 in every line it has, from appliances to
> aircraft engines, from turbines to locomotives. Welch may have been one
> reprehensible human being, but he was one helluva manager. And what he
> started pretty much still obtains today. And, for the record, I have no
> love whatsoever for GE....

He destroyed a great job I once had at RCA Labs.  Haven't bought 
anything made by GE since.  (They probably haven't noticed....)


Article: 335274 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <447F51ED.11B11E8C@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a 
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>   <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com>   <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com>   <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com>   <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com>   <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   <1149165148.133345.164470@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <I6CdnaVTw-4qbOPZnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149171532.833003.39380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <5P-dnekpbsxdZ-PZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com> <447F05DA.3840D72@earthlink.net> <V8Sdnbag3Zikk-LZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:45:54 GMT

Bill Cohn wrote:
> 
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> 
> >
> >    Is that the same Videotek that used to gut Sony Trinitron TV sets to
> > convert them into video monitors?  They pulled the tuners and added
> > pairs audio and video inputs, along with an A-B switch.  WACX TV in
> > orlando had several of them in the late '80s when I was one of the
> > engineers there.
> >
> >
> 
> Yes. But we have come a long way from that part of the business. The
> company has not done that for over 15 years. We are now making Video
> Test and Measurement that is starting to outclass the traditional market
>   Tektronix my previous employer.


   I was just curious.  They filled a need when Conrac and others were
just too damn expensive to be able to have a few extra monitors around a
TV studio. I used to add audio and video inputs & outputs to the
original Motorola Quasar TVs to work on R-R VTRs.

   Is any documentation still availible for the monitors?  I think I
still have one in storage that needs repaired.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 335275 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <w3pfg.44975$As2.16161@trnddc02> <Vmwfg.4479$7e.1702@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <b4Cfg.8$_k6.7@newsfe22.lga>
Subject: Re: Looking for help with oscillations and whistling in Clinton K-7 1937 table set
Message-ID: <%BIfg.4344$%h.3821@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:02:51 GMT

I haven't found a reliable method of identifying "outside foil" and it 
doesn't seem to matter with these film caps anyway. The coating on the film 
is so thin it can be seen through (think of semi-silvered window film or 
sunglasses). Light gets through and so does other radiation.

Some older caps were marked with a line to indicate the outside lead but 
again it really made no functional difference. I tried flipping them before 
I tried other measures. No difference at all.

They are perfectly good replacements except for this quirk in a few special 
circumstances. Now that I have stumbled onto it I can deal with it but it 
drove me and a couple of friends nuts for a long while. Now I don't have to 
live with deliberately mis-aligned radios to get by.

Ray

"Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net> wrote in message 
news:b4Cfg.8$_k6.7@newsfe22.lga...
>
> "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com> wrote in message
> news:Vmwfg.4479$7e.1702@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>> The last 2 times this happened to me I found it was an odd combination of
>> the new style film caps having different reactions with nearby parts like
>> coils and tube bases and leads. I went through everything 5 times before
>> that - even took apart and recapped the IFs (they were fine) and replaced
>> all the resistors in the RF and IF circuits. No change.
>>
>> Then the discovery.
>>
>> It _seems_ that the modern caps do not contain or resist nearby fields
> like
>> the old paper and foil ones did. There's no "outside foil" shield effect.
>> Normally this isn't a problem but there is the occasional layout and
> design
>> where it matters.
>>
>> The cure is placement away from the location the original part occupied
> near
>> antenna entry, rf coil, or oscillator coil - and sometimes high-gain
> stages
>> such as RF amps.
> (Snipped)
> Ray
>
> It seems to me that you may have hit on something important when we're
> using the new caps.  Many of the older ones had a mark indicating "outer
> foil".
> If the new ones are still made with two coiled foils (I haven't opened 
> one),
> one of the foils "should" be on the outside, and maybe simply reversing 
> the
> cap end-for-end would solve the problem.  I sort of thought of that in
> passing
> on a couple of  occasions, but the thought never really seemed important 
> as
> long as things worked, and I just went on to replace the next one.
>    Is there any way to tell which would be the outer foil on the new ones?
>    Cheers,
>    Nelson
>
>
> 




Article: 335276 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:51:02 -0700
Message-ID: <qnku72dqm4shq6lvn65g25jc0n99u80ieq@4ax.com>
References: <1149128557.405053.207770@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <8237-447F1221-1122@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>

On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:13:21 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>I will always stick up for American manufactured products.(I do
>appreciate other peoples opinions,both pro and con) How many times have
>y'all been driving along and seen old,old,old American manufactured
>vehicles still plugging along on the roads,highways,interstates,you name
>it.Good old American Iron last forever.How many old,old,old foreign name
>brand vehicles do y'all see still plugging along out there? <snip>

I have a 28 year old Honda Accord that gets 34 MPG and has 34°F air
conditioning.  Everything in that car still works, even the electric
clock.


Article: 335277 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:52:34 -0700
Message-ID: <cqku72tu692lultkquev9ig14o9vcon9dq@4ax.com>
References: <1149128557.405053.207770@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <8237-447F1221-1122@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <wqGfg.779$jB5.527@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:34:04 GMT, robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>The Pinto I had just out of college was constantly breaking down. <snip>

Some Pintos were pretty hardy cars, notably the ones with the 2000 and
2300 cc German-made engines.  Anything after 1975 was junk.  None of
them were very good cars, per se...lots of wasted space in the design,
and not terrribly efficient.


Article: 335278 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:53:41 -0700
Message-ID: <4uku7217do87fsd3bvlequ16n6r3r3r8t4@4ax.com>
References: <4e77dgF1d8aaaU1@individual.net> <8238-447F169E-225@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>

On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:32:30 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

>Peter Wieck makes perfectly good sense.<snip>

Enough of the trailer trash.

*plonk*


Article: 335279 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Phil...
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 17:23:42 -0400
Message-ID: <4e9471F1dh54lU1@individual.net>
References: <622u725bs43nr5th6tg8ajetp9qqr3fivv@4ax.com> <8238-447F2B50-234@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>

cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

> Zenith SUCKS!
> cuhulin

your full of shit!
-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 335280 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a  Philcoinages]
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:04:46 -0700
Message-ID: <65lu725ub1uq8q3g5knsg0f4pun3ma0h3a@4ax.com>
References: <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com>   <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   <1149165148.133345.164470@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <I6CdnaVTw-4qbOPZnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149171532.833003.39380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <5P-dnekpbsxdZ-PZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com> <447F05DA.3840D72@earthlink.net> <V8Sdnbag3Zikk-LZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com> <447F51ED.11B11E8C@earthlink.net>

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:45:54 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>   I was just curious.  They filled a need when Conrac and others were
>just too damn expensive to be able to have a few extra monitors around a
>TV studio. I used to add audio and video inputs & outputs to the
>original Motorola Quasar TVs to work on R-R VTRs. <snip>

Conrac....oy, what a nightmare THEY were.

In the '80s, Conrac became a "non-business."  At our earth station we
got from GTE, they had a few Conrac/Trinitron monitors in need of
repair...bad power supplies, noisy vertical amps, you name it.  The
Conrac plant out in Monrovia was close enough, and I was way
overloaded with stuff preparing for the conversion from linear to
circular polarization on two of our antennas, so we farmed out the
work to Conrac.  Off to Monrovia they went in the back of the company
station wagon.

Six months later, after several phone calls ("Where the hell are our
monitors???") some guy in the warehouse calls back, "Are these yours?"
He read the tags and sure enough, they were ours, and we were told to
come pick them up...now...or they'd get scrapped.  (!!)  Off I went to
retrieve them.  A bill for $762 awaited, which I authorized.  Got them
back to the stations, plugged the gennie into them...they didn't do a
THING to them!  Called Conrac back...no answer??  A trip down there a
month later showed the placed locked up tight and no one around.  I
kept them as I referred the matter of fraud to company legal, and we
just replaced everything with new Teks.

I never did find out WTF happened at the Monrovia facility, but word
was that Conrac was so delirious ripping off the US military on bogus
contracts, they didn't think a thing of ripping us off for undone
repairs.

When things died down a bit, I got into those Conracs and cleaned them
up.  Even when everything was per spec, they were NOT a very good
monitor; the Teks outclassed them in every way.  Later, word came from
30 Rock (NBC) and CBS that they frowned upon us using Teks to
evaluated incoming video from the birds...the monitors were simply too
good!  By that time, the networks were using consumer TV sets, without
the good comb filters and others niceties, to see what the end user
would see.  It was, indeed, a revealtion...a baseband signal that
looked fine on a Tek would be shedded crap on one of those cheapie
TVs!


Article: 335281 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:06:49 -0700
Message-ID: <2mlu72lqd83hf368nav50bcu132l99t8q1@4ax.com>
References: <V8Sdnc9fj7Sz3uvZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <pe6dna8nOqK5AuTZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <e5gn5p019mj@news2.newsguy.com> <Xns97D460CB1AAnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <q1bq72l0d47ovu27651ldhiomvsrb2bea6@4ax.com> <Xns97D57A003E3ACnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:59:32 -0400, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>I work on more than just Hammonds.... <snip>

Good...cook me up some keyer LSIs for my Conn 652!


Article: 335282 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Well of course it doesn't work DUFUS!
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:28:15 +0900
Message-ID: <e5nm1v$ohg$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <nRqfg.67697$MM6.59823@bignews3.bellsouth.net> <SCGfg.783$jB5.158@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>


"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message 
news:SCGfg.783$jB5.158@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Ken Scharf wrote:
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/GE-Tube-Battery-Radio-Vintage-Burgundy-Carry-Case_W0QQitemZ9733389672QQihZ008QQcategoryZ50595QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>
>> This guy says he plugged in the radio and it only hums.  Well from the 
>> pictures
>> I think I can say I know why.  Nothing a missing 1R5 wouldn't fix!
>
> I'd still recap the wax caps, though

As well as the filter, if it's humming without the 1R5 in it. 




Article: 335283 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Phil...
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 17:29:17 -0400
Message-ID: <4e94hgF1dn2pqU1@individual.net>
References: <622u725bs43nr5th6tg8ajetp9qqr3fivv@4ax.com> <8238-447F2B1E-232@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>

cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:

> Zenith equals over priced,overated,JUNK.Zenith never built anything that
> was any good.I worked at a Zenith factory in the Shytown area in 1960.
> At zenith,The Name Means Junk,Crap! F..k You,Zenith!!!! JUNK!
> cuhulin

i can get (and keep) a 30 to 50 year old zenith set going with very little
effort. hell, my daily watcher is a 30 year old zenith chromacolor 2. it
has a picture just as good as the high-end shit they sell today. what's
more amaizing is that it still has the original CRT. it has never been
rejuvenated.
cuhulin, you dont know what you are talking about.
-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 335284 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Phil...
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:42:23 +0900
Message-ID: <e5nmse$om5$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <622u725bs43nr5th6tg8ajetp9qqr3fivv@4ax.com> <8238-447F2B1E-232@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4e94hgF1dn2pqU1@individual.net>


"Radio Rambler" <jim@jam.com> wrote in message 
news:4e94hgF1dn2pqU1@individual.net...
> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:
>
>> Zenith equals over priced,overated,JUNK.Zenith never built anything that
>> was any good.I worked at a Zenith factory in the Shytown area in 1960.
>> At zenith,The Name Means Junk,Crap! F..k You,Zenith!!!! JUNK!
>> cuhulin
>
> i can get (and keep) a 30 to 50 year old zenith set going with very little
> effort. hell, my daily watcher is a 30 year old zenith chromacolor 2. it
> has a picture just as good as the high-end shit they sell today. what's
> more amaizing is that it still has the original CRT. it has never been
> rejuvenated.
> cuhulin, you dont know what you are talking about.
> -- 
> The Shadow Knows

At least it isn't a System 3.. They should have changed their slogan for 
those. "Quality? What Quality?"  I did warranty repairs for those and we got 
probably 10-15% of the ones sold locally in for repairs dead out of the box. 
I agree with you though that the old Zenith stuff was head and shoulders 
above most of the competition. 




Article: 335285 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Well of course it doesn't work DUFUS!
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:18:35 -0600
Message-ID: <17160-447F67BB-1330@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
References: <e5nm1v$ohg$1@news2.kornet.net>

Was the guy humming or the radio ?



Article: 335286 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brian Hill" <good@it.net>
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <vVZeg.2141$f76.1872@dukeread06> <1149004638.610851.64580@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <447C6E6C.E815D322@earthlink.net> <Jx3fg.23$Z53.21@fe03.lga> <447CE402.A2DFCF9A@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Keepers
Message-ID: <1UJfg.515$gw1.209@fe05.lga>
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:30:20 -0500


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:447CE402.A2DFCF9A@earthlink.net...
> Brian Hill wrote:
>>
>> Hey you guys aren't going to be buried in anything that resembles a 
>> radio,
>> are you? :)
>
>
>   I don't think they let you do that at a Veterans cemetery.
>
>
> -- 
> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
> prove it.
> Member of DAV #85.
>
> Michael A. Terrell
> Central Florida

I think a vet should be allowed to be buried in anything he wants.

BH 




Article: 335287 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brian Hill" <good@it.net>
References: <1149003373.274035.257890@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <vVZeg.2141$f76.1872@dukeread06> <1149004638.610851.64580@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <447C6E6C.E815D322@earthlink.net> <Jx3fg.23$Z53.21@fe03.lga> <OJmfg.9917$y4.6718@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Keepers
Message-ID: <wUJfg.516$gw1.101@fe05.lga>
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:30:51 -0500


"robert casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message 
news:OJmfg.9917$y4.6718@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>
>> Hey you guys aren't going to be buried in anything that resembles a 
>> radio, are you? :)
>>
>>
> Maybe a tombstone style radio...    :-)

There ya go :)

BH 




Article: 335288 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: test
Message-ID: <gtKfg.6081$W97.5158@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:10:04 GMT

test


Article: 335289 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:10:03 -0400
Message-ID: <4e9dutF1djvlkU1@individual.net>
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com> <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com> <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com> <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com> <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4e77dgF1d8aaaU1@individual.net> <1149136516.100516.266590@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4e8ibpF1ckg0uU1@individual.net> <1149179056.094845.228030@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Steven wrote:


> 
> They were assembled in San Diego, weren't they?

No, only the wood cabinet was assembled here in the U.S. & the finished
chassis / CRT was installed. that does NOT mean that the set was made in
U.S.A.

> 
> And why the fuck do I care anymore? For some pissant's argument?

Dinius, YOU ARE the pissant.

-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 335290 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Phil...
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:22:39 -0400
Message-ID: <4e9emgF1do7buU1@individual.net>
References: <622u725bs43nr5th6tg8ajetp9qqr3fivv@4ax.com> <8238-447F2B1E-232@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4e94hgF1dn2pqU1@individual.net> <e5nmse$om5$1@news2.kornet.net>

Brenda Ann wrote:

> At least it isn't a System 3.. They should have changed their slogan for
> those. "Quality? What Quality?"  I did warranty repairs for those and we
> got probably 10-15% of the ones sold locally in for repairs dead out of
> the box. I agree with you though that the old Zenith stuff was head and
> shoulders above most of the competition.

yes, i remember the system-3 chassis. that was the beginning of zeniths
downfall.
i really was fond of the Zenith tubed chassis. those were considered the
best
-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 335291 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Dial Face Close-up Photo Needed
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:48:37 -0600
Message-ID: <17161-447F8AE5-342@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>
References: <C4udnc2gxtpGzePZ4p2dnA@comcast.com>

I know the feeling . I think parts are out there but getting in contact
with enough people is impossible .
I have had very hard luck Finding ordinary dial escutcheons for Zenith
or Philco .

I had been looking for a Philco 16B escutcheon all over the internet .
Tonight a friend showed up at my door with one he found local .     



Article: 335292 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:13:09 -0500
Message-ID: <18384-447F90A5-1330@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149186561.645856.136840@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

I am not a polygamist.What makes you think that?
cuhulin



Article: 335293 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:20:38 -0500
Message-ID: <18384-447F9266-1331@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149186838.027515.91650@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

One of those divorced women who live next door to me was going to get a
new license plate sticker for her car.(1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
SL car) But her boyfriend didn't give her enough money.After she paid
her water bill and a couple of other bills,she was short about $10.00
lacking getting her license plate sticker.Since I am not her boyfriend,I
am not going to cover the $10.00 difference.
cuhulin



Article: 335294 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <gtKfg.6081$W97.5158@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: test
Message-ID: <mRMfg.11784$aD6.6189@newsfe16.lga>
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:53:47 -0500


"Lou deGonzague" <zenith@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:gtKfg.6081$W97.5158@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> test

'Bout zero dB here.





Article: 335295 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: How useful is a signal tracer?
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:46:49 -0500
Message-ID: <26666-447F9889-1111@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <2mlu72lqd83hf368nav50bcu132l99t8q1@4ax.com>

I need to get in my kitchen and rattle those pots and pans.It's past my
suppertime.
cuhulin



Article: 335296 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <gtKfg.6081$W97.5158@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   <mRMfg.11784$aD6.6189@newsfe16.lga>   <edadnY2w3LNgA-LZRVn-qA@qx.net> <1149214901.473041.59800@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: test
Message-ID: <fCNfg.16324$xO5.12360@trnddc03>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:44:27 GMT

I suggest replacing the caps anyway.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com



"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1149214901.473041.59800@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Theresa McCarty wrote:
>> 5 by 5
>
> Thank God It's Amplitude Modulated. Carrier is looking swell.
> 




Article: 335297 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Phil Witt <w4imm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Michael Terrell - Videotek
Message-ID: <bjav72hsupgq5jleh8gj4f4i1ff9k02lem@4ax.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:04:25 -0500

Check the binaries for a couple of pictures, especially the Videotek
monitor made out of a Sony consumer set.

Phil


Article: 335298 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Dial Face Close-up Photo Needed
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <a_ofg.8912$3q2.7609@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <C4udnc2gxtpGzePZ4p2dnA@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <k2Ofg.758845$084.403315@attbi_s22>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:14:24 GMT

In article <C4udnc2gxtpGzePZ4p2dnA@comcast.com>, moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet 
says...
>
>
>If you hang in there, dilligently posting here and the Radio Forum and run
>ads in ARC (with pix only, nobody knows what you need otherwise),  and add a
>permanent search on eBay, you MIGHT find that bezel within a year or two.  I
>mean that seriously.
>
>Mark Oppat
>

Spent 4 years looking for a WG Airline Escutcheon ... first one I found
was attached to a whole radio... so yup I bought the whole radio. Now
at least I knew what the thing looked like that I was looking for! ...
took a couple more years to find one... 

Strange I sold that 2nd radio to another local collector last week who
does his own restorations ... I need to revisit that first one and
clean the controls and get it back up and running again... it was one
of my early restorations.. didn't have DeOxit then ...

That radio is another that stays in my collection ... nice tombstone but 
mostly it stays because of its history and the source of it to me... Old Ham 
and Father of one of my school buddies ... both are gone now...

John k9uwa



Article: 335299 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Dual 6L6 Output in a Table Set
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <127pmotnmtl8bb6@corp.supernews.com> <CdadnSptWY6pzOPZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <25Ofg.1001348$xm3.466998@attbi_s21>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:17:18 GMT

In article <CdadnSptWY6pzOPZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com>, 
moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says...
>
>
>Hey Yonny,  thanks for the lead on this set.  I won it!
>
>Mark Oppat

Amazing!... Terminology that is... "I Won It!" sounds like Mark
won the lottery .... now there.... that would be a luck win.. 

in this case ... correct terminology is... I was willing to pay
more money than anyone else for this old radio!... 

Back to my evening drink... and my nose into the corner!
John k9uwa



Article: 335300 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "oldfogie" <oldfogie@bellsouth.net>
References: <127pr93j2clcka4@corp.supernews.com>   <127ps6sqn7es4fe@corp.supernews.com> <1149039572.793815.89960@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8YudnU-8rZoPNuDZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@sigecom.net> <_tmdndqQavUXVuDZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Did Capehart Make Floor Model Stereos...
Message-ID: <%iOfg.68075$MM6.29775@bignews3.bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:31:51 -0500

They made very good ones in the '50s. I still have a Capehart RP154
Radio/phono I bought new about 1955.
Had great sound, (but mono). Haven't even turned it on in years.
Malcolm B.




Article: 335301 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: test
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:35:40 -0500
Message-ID: <26666-447FB20C-1128@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <fCNfg.16324$xO5.12360@trnddc03>

I saw it too.
cuhulin



Article: 335302 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mannyt" <collinscollector45567@yahoo.nosp.om>
References: <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02> <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com> <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com> <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com> <1148665951.755079.63870@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com> <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com> <kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com> <lJ1eg.2295$Oh1.1679@news01.roc.ny> <prgh72dqp6habpsd09nle30th7qrmng5rp@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2805061050180001@216-80-74-228.d.enteract.com> <e5i8np0scg@news1.newsguy.com> <Xns97D43A8C4788noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:10:27 -0400
Message-ID: <c20d7$447fbae2$d1cc563a$9495@snip.allthenewsgroups.com>


"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97D43A8C4788noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in
> news:e5i8np0scg@news1.newsguy.com:
>
> > Maybe that
> > fact will compel congress to keep analog TV around a little longer. I'm
> > not holding my breath, though.
> >
>
> Wait until the public finds out the REAL reason for DTV.....PAY DTV.
>
> Want to watch Monday Night Football on your UHF TV antenna?  Call 1-800-
> FEED-US-MONEY, give the nice lady your credit card and she'll turn on the
> football game through your ADDRESSABLE DTV, right over the air.  Ain't
that
> nice?!
>
> One spam channel of infomercials open to keep the FCC bureaucrats happy.
> 3 pay TV channels to sell with nearly good programs on it.
> or
> 1 WIDESCREEN pay TV channel in HDTV for "just a little more money".
>
> The pay movie comes on Channel 19 at 8PM in HDTV.  Don't forget where
your
> Mastercard is laying.  You're gonna need it.....

It don't bother me one damm bit. I do not have cable or
dish tv as what's on the local fare is bad enough. Utter mindless
claptrap. TV could go bye-bye tomorrow and I'd not miss it
at all. AM and FM radio is all I need. (same goes for Sat radio.
Sirus and XM can go pound crap if they think I'll pay for radio)
When radio goes away there is always shortwave that will
always be there.



Article: 335303 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William R. Walsh" <newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.com>
References: <1148989053.597094.122450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <vOWeg.15264$Zc7.201995@wagner.videotron.net>   <1148994081.080892.264920@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1149000621.884533.117400@r44g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: collectors` stories
Message-ID: <N4Qfg.758991$084.451205@attbi_s22>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:33:33 GMT

Hi!

> Is life so much more urgent now that we must all be always available
> for constant contact? Does our very existence now demand that we be
> reachable 24 hours, from every point on the globe?

Perhaps so, but at 23 I'm trying to hide. I hate telephones, but it hasn't
always been that way.

As it stands now, I don't answer the phone unless I'm good and feeling like
it. I don't carry a cell phone and probably never will. Despite being in the
field of IT, I don't (and won't ever) have a pager.

I have a cell phone. It's several generations out of date, (it is new enough
to be digital, however) doesn't have a color screen or camera and I've had
it long enough to have put a second battery in it out of necessity. (How
many people can say that?) It sits in my truck (although I can't find it
now) and waits should I ever have a roadside emergency. I've never had to
use it for that purpose. The longest I've ever spoken on it was about 15
minutes, and only because a storm took down the hardwired phone lines.

> Damn phones.

I've said this before..in fact, I just got done saying it above.

http://greyghost.dyndns.org/phonerant.htm

What hasn't been added to that "rant" is my recent purchase of a home. I
seriously question whether or not I'll have any phone at all. The only
reason I'd want one is to sync the odd old computer in my computers
collection to the NIST clock over a modem. Most have network cards,
however...and TCP/IP stacks available...

(And no. I really, really, really, really, really don't care to hear any
argument about what I said in the rant link above with regard to cell
phones.)

William




Article: 335304 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Clive" <cashaw@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:30:05 +0200
Message-ID: <e5opds$dq8$1@news.al.sw.ericsson.se>
References: <odqdnWKpLpL5RenZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com>   <OF8dg.8177$Ar6.1798@trnddc02>   <OYWdna3bb8mJo-jZRVn-qQ@giganews.com>   <Omhdg.8238$Ar6.5318@trnddc02>   <xo2dnbJNHtz8cOjZRVn-jg@comcast.com>   <127crr7std22n26@corp.supernews.com>   <1148618385.034999.39510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <e577cd$olh$1@reader1.panix.com>   <slrne7fejp.bqe.rogblake10@moog.netaxs.com> <1148699238.991832.208240@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44784f99$0$31654$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>


<maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
news:44784f99$0$31654$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> System A had 405 lines. Most wide-screen transmissions in Europe nowadays
> don't have any more visible lines than the old system A. By far the
> superior system was the French system E, having 819 lines and 14MHz
> channel width (11.15MHz between the video carrier and the audio carrier).
> Unfortunately this was a short lived system, I think it was abandoned even
> before the transition to colour TV. Had it not been abandoned, we could
> have named it "Analogue HDTV".
>
>

Indeed the horizontal resolution on 405 lines was greater then that on 625
lines. Proper black level clamping giving lovely crisp pictures, though
liable to interference. Indeed when 625 lines was introduced into the UK in
1964, many people were put off from investing in it as many perceived the
405 line picture to look better.

I think the French 819 lines system lasted from around 1950 into the
mid-70's. Secam Colour tests were indeed tried out on 819 lines but the
sheer bandwith required would have meant only one national channel within
the existing frequency bands. The pictures from 819 lines were though very
smeary.....




Article: 335305 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Phil Witt <w4imm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Michael Terrell - Videotek
Message-ID: <bac082dc9tujp7ofq8n5lql03dhupffmfb@4ax.com>
References: <bjav72hsupgq5jleh8gj4f4i1ff9k02lem@4ax.com> <447FAD7A.D7DEBA19@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:41:48 -0500

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:16:09 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Phil Witt wrote:
>> 
>> Check the binaries for a couple of pictures, especially the Videotek
>> monitor made out of a Sony consumer set.
>> 
>> Phil
>
>
>   Thanks, that is what I remember using.  Are those Tektronix 528 or
>529 waveform monitors?

The CCUs are for  IVC 500s . The WFMs are 528s.


Article: 335306 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Phil Witt <w4imm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Michael Terrell - Videotek
Message-ID: <lic082dt11d6g1uj6jvpickaheh9503lr4@4ax.com>
References: <bjav72hsupgq5jleh8gj4f4i1ff9k02lem@4ax.com> <l46dnd7PTbjQsh3ZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:43:46 -0500

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:28:12 -0500, Bill Cohn <billcohn1.comcast.net>
wrote:

>Phil Witt wrote:
>> Check the binaries for a couple of pictures, especially the Videotek
>> monitor made out of a Sony consumer set.
>> 
>> Phil
>
>Interesting photo Phil. The TV below the Videotek monitor is a Zenith 
>12" Black and White set I helped design in 1974. The waveform monitors 
>look like Tektronix 528s. Since I worked at Zenith and Tektronix and now 
>Videotek it is old home week.
>
>Bill Cohn - N9MHT

Videotek has come a long way since those monitors.


Article: 335307 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Did Capehart Make Floor Model Stereos...
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <127pr93j2clcka4@corp.supernews.com>
Message-ID: <PCWfg.1002002$xm3.390822@attbi_s21>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:59:27 GMT

In article <127pr93j2clcka4@corp.supernews.com>, yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net 
says...
>
>
>...in the 1960's? An unspecified locally advertised Capehart is described as 
>such. Or must it be something earlier?
>
>John H. 
>
>
Farnsworth then Capehart now ITT Industries ... Fort Wayne, IN is where
most of this stuff was built.. some is good and some is junk.. I will
be posting pictures of a large Panamuse that we restored a few years
ago ... it was a model 413H ... 
John k9uwa



Article: 335308 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Capehart 410M
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <Tkpfg.13072$lN5.126@trnddc04> <1149219789.097500.193090@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <iNWfg.1002021$xm3.362813@attbi_s21>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:10:38 GMT

In article <1149219789.097500.193090@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, 
JMElfelt@aol.com says...
>
>
>
>David D. Berkowitz wrote:
>> Anyone know where I can get parts for a Capehart 410.  I need the radio for
>> the case I got.
>>
>> --db
>
>
>Do you know if your Capehart 410 cabinet is compatible with the guts of
>a Capehart 414?  Somewhere deep in the jungle formerly known as my
>garage I have most of the radio components for a 414 that was parted
>out some years ago.  No turntable, speaker, or tubes, but both chassis,
>the dial, and the knobs should be there.  If any of that will work,
>give me a holler.
>
>Jim Elfelt
>Amarillo, TX
>
I posted pictures of a Capehart Panamuse 413 to the binary newsgroup for 
comparison to the 410 and 414 ...
John k9uwa



Article: 335309 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 06:59:36 -0700
Message-ID: <e5pg9c0b9m@news2.newsguy.com>
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>   <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com>   <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com>   <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com>   <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com>   <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   <1149165148.133345.164470@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <I6CdnaVTw-4qbOPZnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149171532.833003.39380@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Peter Wieck wrote:

> Cartravision was a unique format, was it not?

Very unique. AFAIK, the first videocassette format, and the only one 
ever to use continuous loop cartridges. Four years before the first 
Betamax and WAY ahead of its time in consumer technology, price and 
business model. Cartrivision was (for awhile) based in San Jose, and I 
used to encounter a half-dozen or so surplus Cartivision decks every 
year at the Silicon Valley flea markets in the early 1980s. Even today, 
I will see a pre-recorded Cartrivision tape in my travels once in a 
great while. As often as not, the seller has no clue what it is.
> 
> I had "GO VIDEO" in mind, briefly (very briefly) assembled in Arizona
> before leaping overseas. Their claim to fame was both the US flag
> (assembled in) flag on the box, and the fact that they were a
> dual-deck. As I remember, they were quite expensive for not-so-hot
> results.

Actually GO-VIDEO was not the only one. NEC assembled some of its VCRs 
in Oregon in the 1980s. My father bought one, and it eventually got 
handed down to me. The quality wasn't bad, he used it for a number of years.

Yes, that's right...NEC actually made VCRs, but you'd have been hard 
pressed to actually find one in a store anywhere. The one my father had 
is the only one I have ever actually seen in the flesh. For all I know 
Oregon may have been the only place in the USA where they were sold.

With regards to GO-VIDEO, their reasons for having their early decks 
made in the USA was political rather than economic. Back then, the 
notion of having a consumer deck that could copy tapes without having to 
rely on a seperate second deck was a legal hot potato-hot enough that 
none of the major manufacturers would go there. The suits behind 
GO-VIDEO had a legitimate fear that lobbyists from the likes of the MPAA 
might compel congress to legislate them out of existence. The "made in 
USA" thing was supposed to give these efforts some pause (after all, 
what congressman would want to be known for shutting down an enterprise 
employing american workers?)

Well, the MPAA did whine a bit, but the legal uproar over the dual deck 
was pretty underwhelming. Panasonic soon came out with its own version 
of a dual deck, as did a few others, and GO-VIDEO's American 
manufacturing went bye-bye soon thereafter. AFAIK, they are still in 
business.

-Scott



> 
> Peter Wieck 
> Wyncote, PA
> 


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Article: 335310 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:10:48 -0700
Message-ID: <e5pgud0c63@news2.newsguy.com>
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Peter Wieck wrote:

>>"Neutron Jack" Welch, GE (a disaster in the making)
>>
> 
> 
> Jack Welch made GE the most successful corporation on earth based on
> growth, profit and stability. They are one of the very last full-line
> Domestic manufacturers of appliances, 

Peter,

It looks like you may have to cross GE off your list in this regard.

I am in the process of remodeling my house....we just got the new 
appliances delivered last week, all GE. The oven and refrigerator both 
clearly show "Made in Mexico" on their labels.

And we're not talking about cheap, low-end shit here....The combined 
price of both pieces is over $4000.

-Scott



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Article: 335311 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:11:29 -0700
Message-ID: <e5pkg70ctc@news1.newsguy.com>
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Peter Wieck wrote:


> 
> But, for all that, the US makes _NO_ LCD screens of any kind, and never
> did. 

It is interesting that you use the LCDs as an example, because it so 
clearly defines the management failure that is killing American 
manufacturing.

Back in the 1980s there was a significant push to make silicon valley a 
center of excellence in the design and manufacture of flat-panel LCD 
technology. The american semiconductor manufacturers did quite a bit of 
preliminary work towards this goal, but eventually decided not to go 
anywhere with it because they determined that production yields of 
displays that could actually be sold to a customer were too low to 
produce them profitably. So, in essense, they let the Japanese have that 
business without much of a fight.

The Japanese manufacturers began manufacturing the displays, and the 
yields were lousy, just as predicted. In fact, they lost money on every 
LCD panel sold for quite awhile after production began.....BUT the 
large-scale production gave them the lessons they needed to learn, and 
the solutions to the yield problems came soon thereafter, and the 
displays were then profitably produced.

  We know now what happened-flat panels are ubiquitous, they are 
everywhere in computers, cars, TVs, even high-end refrigerators....The 
manufacturers that took the risks got the rewards, the ones that didn't, 
didn't.

And therein lies the rub...American management, by and large, seems to 
have lost its nerve. They will get their huge salaries and colossal 
severance packages regardless of performance, so why take take any risks 
when you can ride the gravy train for as long as it lasts? Nowadays, it 
is a brave CEO who can say to wall street "Be patient with me, and take 
a long-term view, and sustainable profitabilty will come".

For every management Mozart like Neutron Jack, there are dozens, perhaps 
  hundreds, of management Sallieris like Ken Lay, Carly, and Chainsaw 
Al, who know how to play the game but produce very little of any lasting 
value to their companies and their shareholders.

Compare that with some of the old-school captains of industry, like 
Ford, Sarnoff, or Hewlett and Packard. Some of those guys were not 
particularly likable, but they had the capacity to take intellegent 
risks and put their resources into developing products and technologies 
which ensured stability and survival of their enterprises for a long 
time. The Japanese, and to a lesser extent, the Europeans, understand 
this, we have lost it on the altair of quarterly profits.

-Scott




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Article: 335312 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Phil...
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:13:49 -0700
Message-ID: <3ro0829dfgajegsg6ijlbk1khhb13caklu@4ax.com>
References: <622u725bs43nr5th6tg8ajetp9qqr3fivv@4ax.com> <8238-447F2B1E-232@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4e94hgF1dn2pqU1@individual.net> <e5nmse$om5$1@news2.kornet.net> <4e9emgF1do7buU1@individual.net>

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:22:39 -0400, Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com> wrote:

>yes, i remember the system-3 chassis. that was the beginning of zeniths
>downfall.
>i really was fond of the Zenith tubed chassis. those were considered the
>best <snip>

No lie there.  Zenith made RCA look like schlock merchants.  While the
government took bribes from Japan, Inc, Zenith, desperate to cut costs
to stay competitive, introduced the horrid System 3 line to try to
compete.  It ate them alive, as Brenda Ann said.

Coolin', or whomever he is, probably didn't make the cut at the Zenith
factory due to low IQ.


Article: 335313 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Phil...
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:14:16 -0700
Message-ID: <9uo082t1adi45ep57enevbi26gu2rjhplr@4ax.com>
References: <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   <8237-447F15DA-1123@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <1149188289.493164.8940@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <blLfg.367$lp.197@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:09:43 GMT, robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>It's mostly idiot American management and wildly overpaid CEOs that did 
>us in. <snip>

Damned right.


Article: 335314 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:15:47 -0700
Message-ID: <rvo0829ng0dkqng3ktbfh87fe8gc4lspp5@4ax.com>
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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:10:03 -0400, Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com> wrote:

>Steven wrote:
>
>
>> 
>> They were assembled in San Diego, weren't they?
>
>No, only the wood cabinet was assembled here in the U.S. & the finished
>chassis / CRT was installed. that does NOT mean that the set was made in
>U.S.A.
>
>> 
>> And why the fuck do I care anymore? For some pissant's argument?
>
>Dinius, YOU ARE the pissant. <snip>

I have him in my kill file aquarium.  He's swimming around with the
likes of Peter the Weak, Yerke the Welsher, Byrns the Deluded and
Coolin', the trailer denizen.


Article: 335315 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44806bde$0$31645$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
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Date: 02 Jun 2006 16:48:30 GMT

Scott W. Harvey <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote:
> Very unique. AFAIK, the first videocassette format, and the only one 
> ever to use continuous loop cartridges. Four years before the first 
> Betamax and WAY ahead of its time in consumer technology, price and 
> business model. Cartrivision was (for awhile) based in San Jose, and I 
> used to encounter a half-dozen or so surplus Cartivision decks every 
> year at the Silicon Valley flea markets in the early 1980s. Even today, 
> I will see a pre-recorded Cartrivision tape in my travels once in a 
> great while. As often as not, the seller has no clue what it is.

I think Philips had the first videocasette format. Around 1972 they 
introduced the so called VCR system. The casette was squarish, with both 
spools sitting on top of eachother.

> Yes, that's right...NEC actually made VCRs, but you'd have been hard 
> pressed to actually find one in a store anywhere. The one my father had 
> is the only one I have ever actually seen in the flesh. For all I know 
> Oregon may have been the only place in the USA where they were sold.

Same story here in Europe, I have seen a very few NEC manufactured VHS 
machines made in the mid to late eighties, maybe three or so. I think the 
tag said 'made in Japan', though.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 335316 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: snarl@trin.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:49:53 -0700
Message-ID: <a2q0821hh1l224q4rn63njuisjkuo15vpg@4ax.com>
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:10:27 -0400, "Mannyt"
<collinscollector45567@yahoo.nosp.om> wrote:

>"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns97D43A8C4788noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>> "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote in
>> news:e5i8np0scg@news1.newsguy.com:
>>
>> > Maybe that
>> > fact will compel congress to keep analog TV around a little longer. I'm
>> > not holding my breath, though.
>>
>> Wait until the public finds out the REAL reason for DTV.....PAY DTV.
>>
>> Want to watch Monday Night Football on your UHF TV antenna?  Call 1-800-
>> FEED-US-MONEY, give the nice lady your credit card and she'll turn on the
>> football game through your ADDRESSABLE DTV, right over the air.  Ain't
>that
>> nice?!
>>
>> One spam channel of infomercials open to keep the FCC bureaucrats happy.
>> 3 pay TV channels to sell with nearly good programs on it.
>> or
>> 1 WIDESCREEN pay TV channel in HDTV for "just a little more money".
>>
>> The pay movie comes on Channel 19 at 8PM in HDTV.  Don't forget where
>your
>> Mastercard is laying.  You're gonna need it.....
>
>It don't bother me one damm bit. I do not have cable or
>dish tv as what's on the local fare is bad enough. Utter mindless
>claptrap. TV could go bye-bye tomorrow and I'd not miss it
>at all. AM and FM radio is all I need. (same goes for Sat radio.
>Sirus and XM can go pound crap if they think I'll pay for radio)
>When radio goes away there is always shortwave that will
>always be there.

Bravo!  We haven't had a TV for over 4 years.  You couldn't pay us to
put one back in either.  Mindless drivel brought to you by <insert
commercial entity here> delivered via some sanctimonious talking
heads... Pfeh!

Snarl



Article: 335317 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:45:36 -0700
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On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:11:29 -0700, "Scott W. Harvey"
<NOT_MY_REAL@email.com> wrote:

>The Japanese manufacturers began manufacturing the displays, and the 
>yields were lousy, just as predicted. In fact, they lost money on every 
>LCD panel sold for quite awhile after production began.....BUT the 
>large-scale production gave them the lessons they needed to learn, and 
>the solutions to the yield problems came soon thereafter, and the 
>displays were then profitably produced. <snip>

You've hit the crux of American upper management...myopia.

Most US CEOs and managers can't see beyond the 18 month bottom
line....they're trained that way when they get their MBAs (about as
phony a Masters degree that ever landed on parchment) and they usually
do not have the mental capacity to engage in "long thinking."  The
examples are numerous...Roger Smith, Henry Ford II, Bob Allen, Jackoff
Welch, Carly Fiorina...all had short terms goals in mind when they did
what they did...and now, all of those companies are either crashing
and burning, have been bought out by others, or are perched on the
percipice.

>And therein lies the rub...American management, by and large, seems to 
>have lost its nerve. They will get their huge salaries and colossal 
>severance packages regardless of performance, so why take take any risks 
>when you can ride the gravy train for as long as it lasts? Nowadays, it 
>is a brave CEO who can say to wall street "Be patient with me, and take 
>a long-term view, and sustainable profitabilty will come". <snip>

Jackoff Welch was once asked about strategic blunders in regards to
GE's consumer product line, and he replied, "Who cares?  I'll be
retired by then."
>
>For every management Mozart like Neutron Jack, there are dozens, perhaps 
>  hundreds, of management Sallieris like Ken Lay, Carly, and Chainsaw 
>Al, who know how to play the game but produce very little of any lasting 
>value to their companies and their shareholders. <snip>

You can put Welch in that column as well.  He, like Allen at AT&T, was
focused on short term bottom line gains, not long term strategic or
technical prowess.

>Compare that with some of the old-school captains of industry, like 
>Ford, Sarnoff, or Hewlett and Packard. Some of those guys were not 
>particularly likable, but they had the capacity to take intellegent 
>risks and put their resources into developing products and technologies 
>which ensured stability and survival of their enterprises for a long 
>time. The Japanese, and to a lesser extent, the Europeans, understand 
>this, we have lost it on the altair of quarterly profits. <snip>

Exactly.  There's a dichotomy at Ford that bears some looking
at...Henry and his drunken scion, Henry II.  While Henry just happened
to have the raw talent to make it work and worked hard to achieve his
dream of mass production of automobiles, Henry II in later years sat
in Dearborn in his plush fake Tudor styled office, blundering and
blathering and boozing through the '60s and '70s, wasting corporate
money on such Detroit losers as the Renaissance Center (now GM's new
HQ, a bad omen) and personally making several car line decisions that
almost tanked the company.  Lee Iacocca sure had the last laugh on
that drunken sot! Not that Iacocca was the "god" everyone (including
himself) believed him to be, either.  He badly underrated the
incursion of Honda into the US car market, and had no clue as to the
real quality of their product, and thus neglected the mini-car market
until too late.  He was basing his view of the Japanese invaders on
junk cars from the Chrysler takeover target, Mitsubishi, which he
wanted to make the Japanese part of his "Global Motors" multinational
automaker.  Reality also formed that takeover, as Chrysler at the time
was still reeling from years of mismangement and simply didn't have
the cash on hand to buy a huge chunk of juggernaut Toyota, and his
much-hated Ford had their fingers already into Nissan.

After a series of other Ford family hand picked "mismanagers," Ford's
back in the hands of the family again, for better or worse.  Whether
Billy Boy can bring Ford back or not remains to be seen, but he's
following the typical US auto maker screwups...big SUVs, muscle
cars...totally unacceptable products for the new reality of $4/gallon
and up gasoline.  He's made token statements regarding hybrids and
multi-fuelers, but the numbers are way too small to put Ford in a
leadership position, and they, like GM, are basically being led around
by the Japanese while being nipped at the heels by the Germans with
DaimlerChrysler.  Auto watchers are now thinking there may be a
tectonic shift in ranking...Toyota will pass GM, while DaimlerChrysler
may run around Ford.  There is also speculation that Toyota may force
a hostile takeover of GM.  If that happens, the USA is finished as an
leading industrial nation.


Article: 335318 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Well of course it doesn't work DUFUS!
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:39:07 -0500
Message-ID: <22703-448077BB-58@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149268895.821354.110880@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Nawwwww,,, I wont say that one either.But y'all wimmins get me driff.
cuhulin 



Article: 335319 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:45:23 -0500
Message-ID: <22703-44807933-60@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <e5nmse$om5$1@news2.kornet.net>

I worked a Zenith factory in Shytown in Illynoys in 1960.One day,I got
called into the office,,,,, y'all dont want to hear about that one.She
toned me down.
cuhulin 



Article: 335320 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Zenith
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:50:40 -0500
Message-ID: <22703-44807A70-61@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>

never made anything that was any good.
Tinkle Tinkle little Jeep,how I wonder where you are,,, like a bed pan
in the sky,,,,,,,,,
cuhulin



Article: 335321 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Did Capehart Make Floor Model Stereos...
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:01:23 -0500
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References: <1149266204.617760.204910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Stephanie,I was humpin ammo at 22 years old in Vietnam in 1964 (my
brother was over there too,Saving Private Ryan never did anything for us
two Ryans,  www.ryans.org   [[I dont mind though,screw it!]] before you
was even a gleam in your moms and dads ee.Little Jeeps,I own two of
y'all,a made in the Springtime of 1942 World War Two Willys Jeep and a
1948 Willys civilian Jeep.Maybe someday,I might get started fixin y'all
two Jeeps up.But dont bet on it.  www.willystech.com    Parts Board.
www.jeepdoc.com 
cuhulin  



Article: 335322 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:03:51 -0500
Message-ID: <22704-44807D87-11@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149106286.506644.42000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

I dont know anything about how to repair radios.Where are my shoes?
cuhulin  



Article: 335323 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca>
References: <0RBfg.1479$Su3.131282@news20.bellglobal.com> <Xns97D57AB4EFC73noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>
Subject: Re: RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) TAGS
Message-ID: <R9%fg.1819$Su3.156555@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:42:12 -0230


"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message 
news:Xns97D57AB4EFC73noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> "Stan" <stanford@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in
> news:0RBfg.1479$Su3.131282@news20.bellglobal.com:
>
> I carry as many "hot" alarm tags as I can stuck to my wallet.  Best Buy,
> Circuit City, Sears, etc., all "go off" as I come INTO the stores.  I tell
> 'em I have a metal plate in my head...(c;
>
Good for you; hope you have some fun with that!
Whether one agrees with all this 'security' and anti-identity theft stuff, 
or not; it's probably only by pointing out the weaknesses, foolishness and 
potential for clashes of the many various systems that problems will be 
resolved.

Read, within last two years, for example the use of a power line carrier 
system providing certain communications which interfered so badly with 
ambulance and emergency vehicle radio communications, in one European 
country (Autria I think?), that a Civil Defence-Emergency Measures exercise 
had to be cancelled!

Imagine something like that during a repeat of  hurricane Katrina or while 
reacting to a serious plane crash at Washington Airport? Maybe stretching it 
a bit but .....................
E.g. "Oops sorry; the RFID tags on the spilled out airline baggage 
interfered with use of crash site medical lap-tops to send vital trauma 
data. As a result some initial crash survivors died!"
And whoever would have thought of those darn light dimmers that interfere 
with AM radio; should be illegal! 




Article: 335324 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:13:46 -0500
Message-ID: <22704-44807FDA-12@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <a2q0821hh1l224q4rn63njuisjkuo15vpg@4ax.com>

I couldn't live without my DirecTV subscription service.(I am a tv hound
dog) Take for instance the flick,He Ran All the Way flick is on tv right
now on the TCM tv channel.y'all cats dont expect me to miss that great
old 1951 movie,do y'all? H..l NO!
cuhulin



Article: 335325 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Dr.X" <Dr.X@NOSPAMnull.com>
References: <1149270807.364803.105330@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Tubes in TRAM D201
Message-ID: <lz%fg.11521$eQ4.6084@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:37:05 GMT

<radiotubes@fast.net> wrote in message
news:1149270807.364803.105330@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hi-
>
> I came across D201 printed circuit version.  The unit looks complete
> except two missing octal tubes.  I have no schematics or service manual
> - is it avaiable somewhere on net for downloading?  Can someone please
> let me know what octal tubes should I put in sockets?  Thanks.
>
> Jiri Placek
> Boyertown, PA

MayCom claims to have a schematic (and parts too)

http://www.maycomcomm.com/parts/tram.htm

hth
Good luck.
-Dr.X




Article: 335326 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) TAGS
References: <0RBfg.1479$Su3.131282@news20.bellglobal.com> <Xns97D57AB4EFC73noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <R9%fg.1819$Su3.156555@news20.bellglobal.com>
Message-ID: <L00gg.663$lp.77@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:08:27 GMT


> Read, within last two years, for example the use of a power line carrier 
> system providing certain communications which interfered so badly with 
> ambulance and emergency vehicle radio communications, in one European 
> country (Autria I think?), that a Civil Defence-Emergency Measures exercise 
> had to be cancelled!
> 
> Imagine something like that during a repeat of  hurricane Katrina or while 
> reacting to a serious plane crash at Washington Airport? Maybe stretching it 

Broadband over powerline.  Ham radio is fighting that as hard as we can. 
  Visit www.arrl.org   It trashes up our bands and would interfere with 
our ability to hear weak emergency signals from disaster areas like 
Katrina and earthquakes and such.


Article: 335327 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "clfe" <Nospam@clfurent.com>
References: <1149270807.364803.105330@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <lz%fg.11521$eQ4.6084@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Tubes in TRAM D201
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:42:32 -0400
Message-ID: <448094eb$0$3705$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net>

"Dr.X" <Dr.X@NOSPAMnull.com> wrote in message 
news:lz%fg.11521$eQ4.6084@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> <radiotubes@fast.net> wrote in message
> news:1149270807.364803.105330@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi-
>>
>> I came across D201 printed circuit version.  The unit looks complete
>> except two missing octal tubes.  I have no schematics or service manual
>> - is it avaiable somewhere on net for downloading?  Can someone please
>> let me know what octal tubes should I put in sockets?  Thanks.
>>
>> Jiri Placek
>> Boyertown, PA
>
> MayCom claims to have a schematic (and parts too)
>
> http://www.maycomcomm.com/parts/tram.htm
>
> hth
> Good luck.
> -Dr.X
>
>

Make sure is it the 201 or 201A........ I have both manuals complete. IF you 
like, e-mail me for price.

clfe 




Article: 335328 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:33:42 -0500
Message-ID: <25600-44809296-90@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>
References: <tgrk721j5ti25t7skamcmbncnobbmd43jv@4ax.com>

Big deal,Lucille.I own some old tube type and transistor Philco
radios.Cry me a River.
cuhulin



Article: 335329 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:38:50 -0500
Message-ID: <25600-448093CA-92@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149275897.832407.161710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

And now,Not as a Stranger movie is on tv.y'all expect me to turn off my
tv set and miss that good old movie? Lets go pull wild mountain
thyme.Wil Ye Go,Lassie,Go,,,,,,,
cuhulin



Article: 335330 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Carter-K8VT <k8vt@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>   <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com>   <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com>   <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com>   <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com>   <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   <1149165148.133345.164470@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <e5pkg70ctc@news1.newsguy.com> <1149275897.832407.161710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <2O0gg.33812$fb2.33776@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:01:02 GMT

Peter Wieck wrote:

<major snippage>

> Either we become the best, brightest, smartest, hardest working
> people on earth,

It pains me to say it, but sadly, I see no way of that happening. Our 
educational system has gone too far down the tubes for that and TV, the 
Great Moronizer, has already turned most people's brains into mush, 
people who haven't a clue about your snipped points above.

> or we get left in the wake of that ship... which has already left the
> dock.


Article: 335331 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Dual 6L6 Output in a Table Set
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:30:41 -0400
Message-ID: <1281bg92q0of0a7@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127pmotnmtl8bb6@corp.supernews.com> <CdadnSptWY6pzOPZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com> <25Ofg.1001348$xm3.466998@attbi_s21>


 Yeah, John it's a luck win- he's lucky I found it and that it was marketed 
so poorly. I paid $65-on Goodwill for mine!

John H. 




Article: 335332 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Rola Pedestal Recreator 1926
From: "LOP" <castles@yestertronics.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:04:55 -0700
Message-ID: <1149285493_3467@sp6iad.superfeed.net>

I have the Rola Cone Speaker minus the pedestal. It seems to have some sort 
of switched power input going into the back of the speaker seperate from the 
audio wires. Is this some sort of grill cloth backlighting?

Thanks for any history you can give me on this speaker,     Don and Liz 



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Article: 335333 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4480C3E6.3FD00DA8@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Sprague "Atoms" & "Orange-Drop" Caps
References: <1149281745.195039.9080@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:04:41 GMT

Stephanie Weil wrote:
> 
> OK.  First I'll come out and say that I'm wondering if Sprague has
> modernized their capacitor manufacturing facilities over the past
> umpteen decades.
> 
> Why is it that
> 
> 1. Sprague is still pumping out Atoms capacitors with the "old" value
> tables (i.e. 30 uFd, 50 uFd, etc.) instead of the modern day values
> that other companies like Nichicon, Nippon Chemicon, etc. use (33 uFd,
> 47, uFd, etc.)?
> 
> 2. A Sprague .047ufd/630 volt Orange Drop film capacitor is about the
> same size as its old paper counterpart.   And the same type of product
> made by Xicon or Cornell-Dubilier is about a third the size, and
> flatter!!
> 
> Weird.   It's kind of like comparing a 47 ufd/160 volt electrolytic
> made by Nichicon with one made by Xicon.
> 
> Nichicon's product is usually smaller (so guess which one I usually
> prefer to buy if possible, even if it is a few pennies more expensive).
> 
> --
> Stephanie Weil
> New York City, NY


   The Sprague ATOM line is intended for replacment use only these days,
and a lot of industrial equipment was built over 50 years with Sprague
ATOM capacitors so why change the markings?  Try to explain that 47 is
50 or 20 is 22 to some grunt equipment repairman patching a 50+ year old
conrtroller back togther, and you'll have them using anything they can
find as a replacment part.  I used to order parts for a local aluminum
extruder and they only wanted the origanl type parts so the next guy
didn't get lost when none of the numbers matched.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 335334 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4480C4C9.1A4343BF@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Did Capehart Make Floor Model Stereos...
References: <127pr93j2clcka4@corp.supernews.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:08:29 GMT

Stephanie Weil wrote:
> 
> So I go to Crosley's website and see this:
> 
> http://www.crosleyradio.com/prods/cr44cd.html
> 
> To quote:
> 
> << Crosley's station broadcast a gamut of programming but reached its
> 500,000-watt peak in 1932 when President Franklin D. Roosevelt first
> flipped the gold plated switch from the White House to transmit his
> Fireside Chats. At that time, the impressive Turntable Console CD was a
> common fixture in homes nationwide. >>
> 
> REALLY?!  I had no clue that CD players were a common fixture in
> 1932-era households! :-D
> 
> --
> Steph (how stupid can they  be?) Weil


   Sure!  And everyone watched the Fireside Chats live on their 27" LCD
computer monitors with 5.1 surround sound connected to the Whitehouse
though a private 1 Gb/s fiber optic network. ;-)


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 335335 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: Ping Scott W. Harvey
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 02:06:41 +0200
Message-ID: <e5qjqi$jrc$01$1@news.t-online.com>

Scott,

reply to your last email bounced.

I found a website with some informations for Levy 3611.
http://grandlivre.doctsf.com/fiche.php?ref=25917

Would have to write you some comments.

Thanks,
Georg




Article: 335336 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: OT: Sprague "Atoms" & "Orange-Drop" Caps
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 02:17:39 +0200
Message-ID: <e5qkf4$ch7$03$1@news.t-online.com>
References: <1149281745.195039.9080@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Stephanie Weil wrote:

> OK.  First I'll come out and say that I'm wondering if Sprague has
> modernized their capacitor manufacturing facilities over the past
> umpteen decades.
>
> Why is it that
>
> 1. Sprague is still pumping out Atoms capacitors with the "old"
value
> tables (i.e. 30 uFd, 50 uFd, etc.) instead of the modern day values
> that other companies like Nichicon, Nippon Chemicon, etc. use (33
uFd,
> 47, uFd, etc.)?

Because there is no law forcing the new value scheme?

Our calibrated wine glasses had to be changed by law
>from 0,25 ltr. to 0,2 ltr.
>from 0,125 ltr. to 0,1 ltr.

Did not affect me ... beer drinker ;-)

Kind Regards
Georg




Article: 335337 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Dual 6L6 Output in a Table Set
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <127pmotnmtl8bb6@corp.supernews.com> <1149284619.738921.193590@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <wH4gg.14812$1i1.10767@attbi_s72>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:27:08 GMT

In article <1149284619.738921.193590@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, 
thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>
>He won it!
>

I Two it!




Article: 335338 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:10:25 -0700
Message-ID: <u9o182tjoinq8jgbcgm3si653nhh0qilm1@4ax.com>
References: <e57i25$bvh$3@reader1.panix.com> <1148671230.532512.227120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <e57o5l$dmn$1@reader1.panix.com> <kmjf721prrbatgqpv721g9p32i0vda4it2@4ax.com> <lJ1eg.2295$Oh1.1679@news01.roc.ny> <prgh72dqp6habpsd09nle30th7qrmng5rp@4ax.com> <jbyrns-2805061050180001@216-80-74-228.d.enteract.com> <e5i8np0scg@news1.newsguy.com> <Xns97D43A8C4788noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <c20d7$447fbae2$d1cc563a$9495@snip.allthenewsgroups.com> <a2q0821hh1l224q4rn63njuisjkuo15vpg@4ax.com>

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:49:53 -0700, snarl@trin.net wrote:

>Bravo!  We haven't had a TV for over 4 years.  You couldn't pay us to
>put one back in either.  Mindless drivel brought to you by <insert
>commercial entity here> delivered via some sanctimonious talking
>heads... Pfeh! <snip>

All one has to do is edit out the commercial messages in broadcast OR
cable TV to see the real content.  I did this a few times on various
channels.   What's left is not much at all; most of the
"entertainment" energy is devoted to selling crap!


Article: 335339 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:11:14 -0700
Message-ID: <vco182p9ho533fl7q11v93hn13pvk9og9m@4ax.com>
References: <22703-44807A70-61@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <1149285683.186834.107630@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 2 Jun 2006 15:01:23 -0700, nc183d@aol.com wrote:

>
>cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:
>> never made anything that was any good.
>> Tinkle Tinkle little Jeep,how I wonder where you are,,, like a bed pan
>> in the sky,,,,,,,,,
>> cuhulin
>
>Ah........ what brought this on? Has the Zenith brand somehow offended
>you?<snip>

Obviously, he got fired from one of their plants.


Article: 335340 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Well of course it doesn't work DUFUS!
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:29:21 -0600
Message-ID: <28953-4480E5F1-158@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <22703-448077BB-58@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>

Yes.

Good answer .



Article: 335341 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Zenith
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:26:55 -0600
Message-ID: <28953-4480E55F-157@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <22703-44807A70-61@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>

Please dont post this kind of junk here .



Article: 335342 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4480E56B.29AC1450@sympatico.ca>
From: john stewart <jh.stewart@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: The Rocket Radio, some questions?
References: <jbyrns-3005061919320001@216-80-74-228.d.enteract.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:27:07 -0400

John Byrns wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Terry Schwartz has a web page describing the restoration of his 1939 Sears
> Silvertone "Rocket" Radio, you can find the web page here:
>
> http://members.aol.com/tschw10117/silv6110.htm
>
> This radio has always been a conundrum to me.  On the one hand it has a
> beautiful cabinet that must have cost more than the average cheap radio
> cabinet, it also has an expensive power transformer to reduce heat and
> provide added audio power, and it also has a complex mechanical push
> button tuning mechanism.
>
> On the other hand, even though it is a full five tube radio, it uses a
> simple TRF design just like the four tube cheapies.  What I don't
> understand is why Sears lavished money on features like the fancy cabinet,
> the power transformer, and the push button tuning mechanism, yet its five
> tubes they didn't see fit to give it a superhetrodyne circuit?
>
> Does anyone have an idea what Sears thinking might have been on this
> radio?  Did they blow the budget on the cabinet, power transformer, and
> tuning mechanism, so they couldn't afford the additional cost of the two
> IF transformers needed for the subperhetrodyne circuit, while still
> hitting their desired price point?  When did the superhetrodyne patent
> expire, was it still in effect in 1939 so that patent royalties would have
> further added to the cost of using a superhetrodyne circuit?
>
> Speaking of patents, when did the AVC patent expire?  Why do TRF radios
> like the "Rocket" radio almost always use resistance attenuators in the
> antenna/first RF stage, rather than AVC and a normal audio volume
> control?  This design practice extended into the post war miniature tube
> era, by which time the AVC patent had surely expired, so it must have been
> more than simply a patent royalty issue?
>
> Regards,
>
> John Byrns
>
> Surf my web pages at,  http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/

The circuit is in Beitmans on Sheet 186. Three other Sears circuits are in
Beitmans, all superhets. On of them may predate the subject circuit since it
uses 24A's, but who knows! The IF in that one is at 175 KHZ, so I suppose that
is some kind of time indicator.

Cheers, John Stewart



Article: 335343 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Heriberto" <lu6dbu@tapalquenet.com.ar>
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1149296755.402723.169110@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
Message-ID: <4480e98a_1@x-privat.org>
Date: 3 Jun 2006 03:44:42 +0200

too much complicated, because current of filament is different (0.150 To
versus 0.300 A), unless it is a single valve that is fed on the network, in
which case is necessary to redimensionar the resistance in series. -

Heriberto
LU6DBU

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:1149296755.402723.169110@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Gerry wrote:
> > Is it possible to substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?  I have plenty of
> > 50C5s, but I've never even heard of a 25C5 until today.  Searching the
> > web suggests that they are identical exept for the "heater rating".  I
> > found this spec sheet at this link:
> > http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf
> > <http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf>
> >
> > Gerry
>



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Article: 335344 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: media@gte.net (Don Worsham)
Subject: Rek-O-Kut S320/S260 headshell 
Message-ID: <4480eab7.66777687@news.gte.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:50:28 GMT

Anyone have one for sale?


Article: 335345 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:20:23 -0700
Message-ID: <26910-4480F1E7-66@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

Gerry:
                Is this 25C5 used in a phonograph or a radio? And what
other tube(s) are in the lineup?
                Bill(oc) 



Article: 335346 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Smokey" <nospamrtelegrapher@hotmail.com>
Subject: WTB: 2SC2314 (NTE-295) transistor
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:36:14 -0500
Message-ID: <1281teasi3cka69@corp.supernews.com>

Does anyone have a 2SC2314 (NTE-295) NPN RF transistor they'd be willing to
sell me?

Thanks!

Smokey
Wisconsin
telegrapher@hotmail.com


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Article: 335347 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net>
References: <127pr93j2clcka4@corp.supernews.com>   <127ps6sqn7es4fe@corp.supernews.com>   <1149039572.793815.89960@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <8YudnU-8rZoPNuDZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@sigecom.net>   <_tmdndqQavUXVuDZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1149266204.617760.204910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149267110.990587.27720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Did Capehart Make Floor Model Stereos...
Message-ID: <9J6gg.22928$XV5.4836@fed1read10>
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:43:46 -0700

OMG, They are even making a replica princess phone. Any good thrift shop has 
at least 10 of them on the shelf!!!! Unbelievable!!!

bob in phx
"Stephanie Weil" <stephanienyc@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1149267110.990587.27720@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> So I go to Crosley's website and see this:
>
> http://www.crosleyradio.com/prods/cr44cd.html
>
> To quote:
>
> << Crosley's station broadcast a gamut of programming but reached its
> 500,000-watt peak in 1932 when President Franklin D. Roosevelt first
> flipped the gold plated switch from the White House to transmit his
> Fireside Chats. At that time, the impressive Turntable Console CD was a
> common fixture in homes nationwide. >>
>
> REALLY?!  I had no clue that CD players were a common fixture in
> 1932-era households! :-D
>
> --
> Steph (how stupid can they  be?) Weil
> 




Article: 335348 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net>
Subject: how to remove paint from a vinyl or leatherette radio. 
Message-ID: <DK6gg.22929$XV5.9130@fed1read10>
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:45:20 -0700

How can I remove the paint from vinyl or leatherette covered radio... It 
looks like it might be latex, but then again it could be oil based... any 
ideas....

bob in phx 




Article: 335349 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <1149281745.195039.9080@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <e5qkf4$ch7$03$1@news.t-online.com>
Subject: Re: Sprague "Atoms" & "Orange-Drop" Caps
Message-ID: <tO6gg.2053$3i3.1841@trnddc08>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:51:05 GMT

That's an interesting point.

Why is it that we have such interesting values for caps and resistors? 
Instead of 5k, 8k, or .5uf, we have 4.7k, 8.2k, .47uf, etc.  I've never 
known it to be an old or new way of measuring; these resistor types have 
been around for ages.  Come to think of it, the older caps were usually 
round numbers, but tolerances are such that it doesn't really matter in most 
cases.  Seriously, what's the difference between a 47uf and a 50 uf 
electrolytic?  With a tolerance of +100/-50%?


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote in message 
news:e5qkf4$ch7$03$1@news.t-online.com...
> Stephanie Weil wrote:
>
>> OK.  First I'll come out and say that I'm wondering if Sprague has
>> modernized their capacitor manufacturing facilities over the past
>> umpteen decades.
>>
>> Why is it that
>>
>> 1. Sprague is still pumping out Atoms capacitors with the "old"
> value
>> tables (i.e. 30 uFd, 50 uFd, etc.) instead of the modern day values
>> that other companies like Nichicon, Nippon Chemicon, etc. use (33
> uFd,
>> 47, uFd, etc.)?
>
> Because there is no law forcing the new value scheme?
>
> Our calibrated wine glasses had to be changed by law
> from 0,25 ltr. to 0,2 ltr.
> from 0,125 ltr. to 0,1 ltr.
>
> Did not affect me ... beer drinker ;-)
>
> Kind Regards
> Georg
>
> 




Article: 335350 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <22703-44807A70-61@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith
Message-ID: <uS6gg.2085$3i3.475@trnddc08>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:55:22 GMT

I'm not quite sure what prompted that on, but personally I place Zenith in 
there with many of the other brands, such as Philco, Motorola, RCA, and 
Crosley.  They all made quality radios, they all made junky radios, they all 
had their good traits and their bad ones.  They're all collectible today, 
and I have no personal preference -- I enjoy them all.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


<cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:22703-44807A70-61@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
> never made anything that was any good.
> Tinkle Tinkle little Jeep,how I wonder where you are,,, like a bed pan
> in the sky,,,,,,,,,
> cuhulin
> 




Article: 335351 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: Sprague "Atoms" & "Orange-Drop" Caps
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:44:21 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.03.03.44.21.179478@nospam.com>
References: <1149281745.195039.9080@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:55:45 -0700, Stephanie Weil wrote:

> OK.  First I'll come out and say that I'm wondering if Sprague has
> modernized their capacitor manufacturing facilities over the past
> umpteen decades.
> 
> Why is it that
> 
> 1. Sprague is still pumping out Atoms capacitors with the "old" value
> tables (i.e. 30 uFd, 50 uFd, etc.) instead of the modern day values
> that other companies like Nichicon, Nippon Chemicon, etc. use (33 uFd,
> 47, uFd, etc.)?
> 
> 2. A Sprague .047ufd/630 volt Orange Drop film capacitor is about the
> same size as its old paper counterpart.   And the same type of product
> made by Xicon or Cornell-Dubilier is about a third the size, and
> flatter!!
> 
> Weird.   It's kind of like comparing a 47 ufd/160 volt electrolytic
> made by Nichicon with one made by Xicon.
> 
> Nichicon's product is usually smaller (so guess which one I usually
> prefer to buy if possible, even if it is a few pennies more expensive).

First point, Sprague no longer exists.  They went out of business years
ago.  Their product lines were bought by a variety of other companies,
Vishay and Barker Microfarads come to mind.  Vishay at least is still
using the name as in "Vishay/Sprague".  I don't know if they use the old
Sprague trademark (a 2 in a circle).

Vishay, having bought other capacitor companies as well, does indeed
produce the types of capacitors you mention.  But they chose to keep the
old lines too.  If the products sell, why not?  Antique radio types
are at least partially responsible.  When someone talks about or actually
recaps a radio, how many of those use Orange Drops?

To answer Gary's question, resistors (and other parts) used to come in
values like 100K, 250K, 500K, and 750K.  Then, in the '30s equipment (not
just broadcast radios) became more sophisticated and needed more accurate
resistors (closer tolerance) and also a greater variety of values.  At
first, this was taken care of by using custom parts.  But it is easy to
see the problems with that.

To fix this, they developed a series of values that are about 40% apart. 
These numbers were 10, 15, 22, 33, 47, 68.  If you take any number and
reduce it by 20%, it is about the same as the next lower number increased
by 20%.  So no matter what values was needed, there was a 20% resistor
that covered it.

For those who needed 10% values, the series 10, 12, 15, 18, 22, 27, 33,
39, 47, 56, 68, and 82 works the same way.  If you did the calculation
suggested in the paragraph above, you would have gotten values close to
the new ones in this list.  With this series, any value can be covered
with a 10% tolerance.

Similarly with 5% you get 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 27,
30, 33, 36, 39, 43, 47, 51, 56, 62, 68, 75, 82, and 91.

AFAIK, they didn't make up a new series for 2% parts but used the 5%
values.  There is a series for 1% parts but I don't have it memorized and
I wouldn't want to type it anyway.  There is also a series for 0.1%. 
Anything with a closer tolerance than that is still custom.

-- 
Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz.
Then replace nospam with sacbeemail.


Article: 335352 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Shawn K <r-520@REMOVETHISshaw.ca>
Subject: Re: how to remove paint from a vinyl or leatherette radio. 
References: <DK6gg.22929$XV5.9130@fed1read10>
Message-ID: <8O7gg.225209$WI1.63507@pd7tw2no>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 03:59:00 GMT

Try nail polish remover.

Bob in Phx wrote:
> How can I remove the paint from vinyl or leatherette covered radio... It 
> looks like it might be latex, but then again it could be oil based... any 
> ideas....
> 
> bob in phx 
> 
> 


-- 

Shawn K
www.thisoldradio.com


Article: 335353 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:02:08 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.03.04.02.06.325168@nospam.com>
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1149298786.336474.157020@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:39:46 -0700, Peter Wieck wrote:

> 
> Gerry wrote:
>> Is it possible to substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?  I have plenty of
>> 50C5s, but I've never even heard of a 25C5 until today.  Searching the
>> web suggests that they are identical exept for the "heater rating".  I
>> found this spec sheet at this link:
>> http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf
>> <http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf>
>>
>> Gerry
> 
> OK... here is the skinny on that. A 50C5 operates at 50V, a 25C5 at
> 25V. So...
> 
> If in a series-string circuit, a 50C5 *might* work, in some few
> circuits it *may* even be a good substitution *IF* that circuit was
> designed against a lower line-voltage in the past and/or is robust
> enough that it will still operate with all the other tubes in the
> string being somewhat starved.
> 
> Otherwise, it is very unlikely to work in a parallel filament circuit.
> 
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA

It still wouldn't work.  All the other tubes in the set that calls for a
25C5 have 0.3A heaters.  The 50C5 is 0.15A.  So the other tubes would get
less current than normal and not work properly.  The 50C5 would get too
much current and burn out prematurely.

If the circuit in question is a 1 tube phono amplifier, the tube heater is
in series with the 95V turntable motor.  Using a 50C5 would starve the
motor for current while giving short life on the tube.

FWIW, here are all the members of the 50C5 family and their heater ratings:

6CU5		6.3V	1.2A
12CU5/12C5	12.6V	0.6A
17CU5/17C5	16.8V	0.45A
25C5		25V	0.3 A
50C5		50V	0.15A
25B5 and 50B5 are electrically the same as 25C5 and 50C5 but have
different pin connections.

Note that the 35C5 is NOT in this list.  That is because it isn't
equivalent to the others (check a tube manual).  Here is the short list
for this one:

6AS5		6.3V	0.8A
35C5		35V	0.15A
35B5 is the same as 35C5 with different pin connections.

-- 
Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz.
Then replace nospam with sacbeemail.


Article: 335354 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Coin operated radios
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:33:29 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.03.04.33.28.566369@yahoo.com>

I've just picked up a couple of project radios, and I'm hopeful that
someone here may have had some experience with these radios or similar
ones and be able to point me toward some information.  The radios are coin
operated radios from the late 40s or early 50s designed for motel use I
assume.  One is a table top radio and the manufacturer is listed as
Pacific Electron Products Corp.  The other is a small console unit
manufacturered by Coin Radio of America.  I'm not too concerned about the
radio receiver components as they appear to be pretty standard designs and
and shouldn't be much trouble to restore beyond the usual capacitor
replacements and possibly tube replacements.  However, I'm new to the coin
mechanisms and it would be nice to get some tips.  I'm already looking
around in the jukebox/coin machine sites and clock sites.  

I found no information on either company in Riders or Beitman.  Any
suggestions?  I haven't taken any photos yet as one is in pieces in a box
and the other isn't too photogenic whole even.

Thanks.

 

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Article: 335355 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net>
References: <pan.2006.06.03.04.33.28.566369@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Coin operated radios
Message-ID: <lr8gg.22933$XV5.13601@fed1read10>
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:41:19 -0700

a friend of mine used to have one and it only took the silver dimes... dont 
know if that helps or not!!!!

bob in phx
"Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:pan.2006.06.03.04.33.28.566369@yahoo.com...
> I've just picked up a couple of project radios, and I'm hopeful that
> someone here may have had some experience with these radios or similar
> ones and be able to point me toward some information.  The radios are coin
> operated radios from the late 40s or early 50s designed for motel use I
> assume.  One is a table top radio and the manufacturer is listed as
> Pacific Electron Products Corp.  The other is a small console unit
> manufacturered by Coin Radio of America.  I'm not too concerned about the
> radio receiver components as they appear to be pretty standard designs and
> and shouldn't be much trouble to restore beyond the usual capacitor
> replacements and possibly tube replacements.  However, I'm new to the coin
> mechanisms and it would be nice to get some tips.  I'm already looking
> around in the jukebox/coin machine sites and clock sites.
>
> I found no information on either company in Riders or Beitman.  Any
> suggestions?  I haven't taken any photos yet as one is in pieces in a box
> and the other isn't too photogenic whole even.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> 




Article: 335356 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
Message-ID: <Dv8gg.5152$ci.473@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:47:31 GMT

Probably not, depending on what it is in and how it is powered.

I used to keep whole sleeves of these on hand (25C5) as they were hard to 
get on short notice. Bell & Howell and a couple other brands used them in 
their 16MM projectors. B&H 500s used 3 each - 2 for audio output and one for 
exciter supply.

These are usually used (except for a couple of old color TVs) in series 
circuit systems and all the tubes have to have matching current draw or 
things don't work.

If it's in something like the projector there's no good way to convert it 
unless you want to replace ALL the tubes and convert to 6.3V heaters. If 
it's in a simple thing like a phono (instead of a 25L6 perhaps) it will be 
in series with a motor and present bigger problems.

Get the right tube. Redesigning things will cost/take 10 times as much and 
may still not be satisfactory. They really are not that hard to find, even 
today.

eBay even has some listed: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9734942474

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5760755841

If all else fails I probably still have some in the shop supplies.

Ray

"Gerry" <gerryu21220@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Is it possible to substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?  I have plenty of
> 50C5s, but I've never even heard of a 25C5 until today.  Searching the
> web suggests that they are identical exept for the "heater rating".  I
> found this spec sheet at this link:
> http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf
> <http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf>
>
> Gerry
> 




Article: 335357 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Coin operated radios
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:53:18 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.03.04.53.14.236797@yahoo.com>
References: <pan.2006.06.03.04.33.28.566369@yahoo.com> <lr8gg.22933$XV5.13601@fed1read10>

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:41:19 -0700, Bob in Phx wrote:

> a friend of mine used to have one and it only took the silver dimes...
> dont know if that helps or not!!!!
> 
> bob in phx
> "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2006.06.03.04.33.28.566369@yahoo.com...
>> I've just picked up a couple of project radios, and I'm hopeful that
>> someone here may have had some experience with these radios or similar
>> ones and be able to point me toward some information.  The radios are
>> coin operated radios from the late 40s or early 50s designed for motel
>> use I assume.  One is a table top radio and the manufacturer is listed
>> as Pacific Electron Products Corp.  The other is a small console unit
>> manufacturered by Coin Radio of America.  I'm not too concerned about
>> the radio receiver components as they appear to be pretty standard
>> designs and and shouldn't be much trouble to restore beyond the usual
>> capacitor replacements and possibly tube replacements.  However, I'm new
>> to the coin mechanisms and it would be nice to get some tips.  I'm
>> already looking around in the jukebox/coin machine sites and clock
>> sites.
>>
>> I found no information on either company in Riders or Beitman.  Any
>> suggestions?  I haven't taken any photos yet as one is in pieces in a
>> box and the other isn't too photogenic whole even.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>> 
>>
I guess it means that I'll also have to start collecting coins again, at
least silver dimes, if that is the case with mine.  


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Article: 335358 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Coin operated radios
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:55:48 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.03.04.55.48.884105@yahoo.com>
References: <pan.2006.06.03.04.33.28.566369@yahoo.com> <1149310187.962814.31530@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:49:48 -0700, Ken Layton wrote:

> Some of these radios used coin mechanism components manufactured by
> National Rejectors, Inc. (www.nationalrejectors.com). National was very
> big back in the 1950's and 1960's manufacturing all types of coin handling
> products from coin timer boxes for kiddie rides to coin accumulator/credit
> units in cigarette machines to vending changers in pop machines to
> multi-coin acceptors in jukeboxes to single coin acceptors in arcade &
> pinball machines. National only concentrates on the vending machine and
> slot machine equipment today though.
> 
> Some coin acceptor components in your radio may be available today from
> the remaining coin acceptor manufacturers like Coin Mechanisms, Inc.
> (www.coinmech.com) and Happ Controls (www.happcontrols.com).
> 
> Ken Layton
> Olympia, Wash.

Thanks.  Probably the hardest to find thing that I'm missing is the
faceplate/coin slot for the table top radio.  It's not too important for
the functioning, but a nuisance esthetically when I get the rest restored.
 The two coin op manufacturers may prove very useful to know about.  



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Article: 335359 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <TM8gg.816$o4.264@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 05:05:55 GMT

Gerry wrote:

> Is it possible to substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?  

No.  Definitely will not work.  It's likely in a series heater circuit, 
and the resistances of the other heaters in the equipment would not 
correctly divide up the powerline voltage for each tube anymore if a 
50C5 is in place of a 25C5.  The 50C5 would end up seeing something like 
100V on the heater.  A few seconds of this would not hurt the tube, as 
tubes being manufactured have twice the rated heater voltage applied for 
short periods of time.  But it won't work correctly as an amplifier 
tube, and not last real long.

Some record players placed the phono motor in series with the 25C5 
heater, and a 50C5 here would also get overvoltaged.  Bad idea.



Article: 335360 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jay in the Mojave <jay123a@qnet.com>
Subject: Re: Tubes in TRAM D201
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:11:17 -0700
Message-ID: <12826fn9snc4h98@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1149270807.364803.105330@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

Hello Jiri:

I have a Tram D201A, a 40 channel radio. Its flat kicks a$$ way more 
than my Buddy Base or General Radiotelephone radios. Well worth the 
money to get em humming again.

And they look great!

Jay in the Mojave


radiotubes@fast.net wrote:

> Hi-
> 
> I came across D201 printed circuit version.  The unit looks complete
> except two missing octal tubes.  I have no schematics or service manual
> - is it avaiable somewhere on net for downloading?  Can someone please
> let me know what octal tubes should I put in sockets?  Thanks.
> 
> Jiri Placek
> Boyertown, PA
> 


Article: 335361 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:51:14 +0900
Message-ID: <e5rpfb$61a$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <26910-4480F1E7-66@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> <1149328869.833248.154290@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>


"Gerry" <gerryu21220@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1149328869.833248.154290@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bill Sheppard wrote:
>> Gerry:
>>                 Is this 25C5 used in a phonograph or a radio? And what
>> other tube(s) are in the lineup?
>>                 Bill(oc)
>
> Yes - it's a General Electric phonograph, RP 1120.  It only has two
> tubes:  25C5 and 6AT6 - two tubes I've never heard of before.  Problem
> is that it's taking 1 - 2 minutes to warm up now rather than just a few
> seconds.  It's also one of those models that's stereo if you connect
> another amp.  That never worked very well...  So, I took out the stereo
> cartridge (actually, I swapped out the V-M turntable with another that
> was mono).  Not a very good amp to begin with, and not really worth
> putting any money into for new tubes.  That's why I was asking about
> substitutes, as I've got boxes and boxes of old tubes - just not those
> numbers.


Are the tube filaments in series with the phono motor? If so, it MAY be 
possible to use a 35C5 (or maybe a 50C5) and 12AT6/12AV6. If the motor still 
runs, and the tubes are not lighting up brighter than they should, this 
would solve the slow warmup problem, too. Those are unusual tubes to use in 
a phono, it's a lot more common that they would be a 50C5 and a 12AT6 
(sometimes only a 35C5 in series with the phono motor, with a high output 
cartridge directly into the 35C5 grid).





Article: 335362 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com>
Subject: OT:  Breezeshooters Hamfest June 4th 
Message-ID: <TCegg.4029$3i3.1344@trnddc08>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:44:51 GMT

Butler PA June 4th Breezeshooters hamfest 8am to 3pm.  Butler Farm Show 
Grounds.  Talk-in 147.960 (-).

See You there!

www.breezeshooters.net

PP




Article: 335363 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <448175FF.5A330963@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Sprague "Atoms" & "Orange-Drop" Caps
References: <1149281745.195039.9080@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <e5qkf4$ch7$03$1@news.t-online.com> <tO6gg.2053$3i3.1841@trnddc08>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:44:52 GMT

Gary Tayman wrote:
> 
> That's an interesting point.
> 
> Why is it that we have such interesting values for caps and resistors?
> Instead of 5k, 8k, or .5uf, we have 4.7k, 8.2k, .47uf, etc.  I've never
> known it to be an old or new way of measuring; these resistor types have
> been around for ages.  Come to think of it, the older caps were usually
> round numbers, but tolerances are such that it doesn't really matter in most
> cases.  Seriously, what's the difference between a 47uf and a 50 uf
> electrolytic?  With a tolerance of +100/-50%?


It has to do with tolerance.  To make sure there is no gap in available
resistance values the numbers chosen allowed any value needed to be hand
picked from the 10 % tolerance range. The 50 is from the older 20%
tolerance group, and the decent electrolytics were rated -20/+100%.  If
you have any that were rated -50/+100% they would have been from the
first standard of 50% tolerance.

http://www.logwell.com/tech/components/resistor_values.html Shows a
table with the different standards side by side.  The chart is for
resistors, but capacitors use the same system.  This site is geared to
downhole, hi-rel equipment used in oil well drilling industry, but they
have good information on components.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 335364 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lou deGonzague <zenith@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: how to remove paint from a vinyl or leatherette radio. 
References: <DK6gg.22929$XV5.9130@fed1read10>
Message-ID: <GXegg.22814$8G3.3972@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:07:02 GMT

If it is latex then denatured alcohol will remove it.

Bob in Phx wrote:
> How can I remove the paint from vinyl or leatherette covered radio... It 
> looks like it might be latex, but then again it could be oil based... any 
> ideas....
> 
> bob in phx 
> 
> 


Article: 335365 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: Re: Sprague "Atoms" & "Orange-Drop" Caps
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:09:22 +0200
Message-ID: <e5ru5j$3vd$02$1@news.t-online.com>
References: <1149281745.195039.9080@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <e5qkf4$ch7$03$1@news.t-online.com> <tO6gg.2053$3i3.1841@trnddc08>

Gary Tayman wrote:

> That's an interesting point.
>
> Why is it that we have such interesting values for caps and
resistors?
> Instead of 5k, 8k, or .5uf, we have 4.7k, 8.2k, .47uf, etc.  I've
never
> known it to be an old or new way of measuring; these resistor types
have
> been around for ages.  Come to think of it, the older caps were
usually
> round numbers, but tolerances are such that it doesn't really matter
in most > cases.  Seriously, what's the difference between a 47uf and
a 50 uf
> electrolytic?  With a tolerance of +100/-50%?
>

A glass of beer 0,5 ltr. ... +100% is a big mess, -50% I would loud
complain ;-)

http://www.logwell.com/tech/components/resistor_values.html

Same for capacitors.

Kind Regards,
Georg


> --
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
>
> "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote in message
> news:e5qkf4$ch7$03$1@news.t-online.com...
> > Stephanie Weil wrote:
> >
> >> OK.  First I'll come out and say that I'm wondering if Sprague
has
> >> modernized their capacitor manufacturing facilities over the past
> >> umpteen decades.
> >>
> >> Why is it that
> >>
> >> 1. Sprague is still pumping out Atoms capacitors with the "old"
> > value
> >> tables (i.e. 30 uFd, 50 uFd, etc.) instead of the modern day
values
> >> that other companies like Nichicon, Nippon Chemicon, etc. use (33
> > uFd,
> >> 47, uFd, etc.)?
> >
> > Because there is no law forcing the new value scheme?
> >
> > Our calibrated wine glasses had to be changed by law
> > from 0,25 ltr. to 0,2 ltr.
> > from 0,125 ltr. to 0,1 ltr.
> >
> > Did not affect me ... beer drinker ;-)
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Georg
> >
> >
>
>




Article: 335366 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Smokey" <nospamtelegraph@intergate.com>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:08:48 -0500
Message-ID: <12832cclj6m88ef@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

Seems like an awful lot  of labor-intensive work to reconfigure the
circuit for an "iffy" outcome. Email me your address and I'll mail you a
50C5.

Smokey
telegrapher@hotmail.com

"Gerry" <gerryu21220@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Is it possible to substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?  I have plenty of
> 50C5s, but I've never even heard of a 25C5 until today.  Searching the
> web suggests that they are identical exept for the "heater rating".  I
> found this spec sheet at this link:
> http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf
> <http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf>
>
> Gerry
>





Article: 335367 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: John Bartley <oldrad@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) TAGS
References: <0RBfg.1479$Su3.131282@news20.bellglobal.com>   <Xns97D57AB4EFC73noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <1149280660.681882.268820@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Cmggg.2099$Su3.177702@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:44:05 -0400

Stephanie Weil wrote:

> 
> But they did notice the old anti-theft sticker coil thing that was
> still in there.  It had never been de-activated from back when I had
> bought the book initially. :-)
> 
> --
> Steph
> 

Hmmm - reminds me of a radio show I was listening to a year or so ago. 
They were discussing RFIDs and they pointed out that some of these 
devices are programmed (no expert here, so not sure of terminology) to 
work in more than one retail establishment. If you buy for example, an 
dress/suit/whatever in one store and they deprogram just their code and 
then you bring the article into another store that sells the same 
manufacturers product but maybe under another name, the device might set 
off the alarms. In the program I listened to the wearer was charged with 
theft, but was able to produce a receipt from another store ...

There's some privacy issues there that bother me, something akin to "who 
owns the black box in your new vehicle" ?? and why should "whoever" be 
able to track your movements?

I service power tools and often see these tags inside the equipment when 
  we take them apart for repairs - the average person doesn't know that 
they're there.

cheers

-- 
regards from ::

John Bartley
43 Norway Spruce Street
Stittsville, Ontario
Canada, K2S1P5

( If you slow down it takes longer
        - does that apply to life also?)


Article: 335368 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: Dial Face Close-up Photo Needed
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 07:30:10 -0700
Message-ID: <e5s6en02vt@news4.newsguy.com>
References: <a_ofg.8912$3q2.7609@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <WsadnUwAepal1RzZRVn-ug@comcast.com>

Mark Oppat wrote:
> Is this the dial face you need ???
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Truetone-Radio-Western-Auto-1930s-Floor-Model-Console_W0QQitemZ6634216567QQihZ012QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 

Damn...an auction page written in Flash, that's a first.

Hopefully it will be the last. Many people will not be able to view this 
without the plugin.

-Scott




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Article: 335369 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: how to remove paint from a vinyl or leatherette radio.
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:57:17 -0600
Message-ID: <2889-4481A34D-245@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net>
References: <GXegg.22814$8G3.3972@twister.nyroc.rr.com>

Goof off cleaner comes to mind .



Article: 335370 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: N7ZZT - Eric Oyen <n7zzt@127.0.0.1>
Subject: Re: Tubes in TRAM D201
References: <1149270807.364803.105330@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <F3igg.3847$_m5.1219@fed1read09>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:41:53 -0700

radiotubes@fast.net wrote:

> Hi-
> 
> I came across D201 printed circuit version.  The unit looks complete
> except two missing octal tubes.  I have no schematics or service manual
> - is it avaiable somewhere on net for downloading?  Can someone please
> let me know what octal tubes should I put in sockets?  Thanks.
> 
> Jiri Placek
> Boyertown, PA

oh man, those are classic.
I still wish I had kept the one I bought all those years ago. too bad
horsetrading was the name of the game back in the 1980's.

-- 
DE N7ZZT
Eric Oyen
Phoenix, Arizona
e-mail: n7zzt(at)hotmail(dot)com
the difference between intelligence and stupidity is that intelligence 
has its limits.


Article: 335371 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Zenith
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <22703-44807A70-61@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <1149285683.186834.107630@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <F6igg.1003616$xm3.241069@attbi_s21>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:43:33 GMT

In article <1149285683.186834.107630@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, 
nc183d@aol.com says...
>
>
>Ah........ what brought this on? Has the Zenith brand somehow offended
>you?
>
please quit feeding the trolls



Article: 335372 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Congress May Screw Up Your HD Picture
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:54:49 -0500
Message-ID: <25401-4481B0C9-178@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>

The article is at    www.tvpredictions.com
if y'all want to check it out.
cuhulin



Article: 335373 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Coin operated radios
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:08:01 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.03.16.08.00.530380@yahoo.com>
References: <pan.2006.06.03.04.33.28.566369@yahoo.com> <1149349676.726843.173850@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:47:56 -0700, Carter Cook wrote:

> 
> I've redone a number of coin-op radios and found that the coin accepting
> mechanisms and timers were usually operational, at least after cleaning.
> Occasionally, the contact points of the AC switch needed a little buffing
> or adjustment. The switch and timer mechanism is very much like that which
> you will find in a clock radio.
> 
> The one thing that was always missing from the coin-op radios I've had was
> the key to the coin box. I always have to burgle the lock.
> 
> One of the most interesting applications for coin-op appliances was the
> coin-op refrigerator. In the 30s, people could buy on credit an electric
> refrigerator which was plugged into a sealed, armored coin/timer
> mechanism. The "black box" was then plugged into the AC outlet. The buyer
> had to feed the coin mechanism once a week with the proper amount of
> coins. Failure to feed the kitty would disconnect the refrigerator. The
> seller would come around every few weeks to collect the payments

Unfortunately, I'm following in your footsteps as far as the keys to the
coin box are concerned.  It's reassuring to hear that the coin mechanism
doesn't usually require too much effort.  I'm also working on an old
jukebox, so I should be familiar with coin mechanisms by the time I finish
with the jukebox and the two radios.

-- 
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Article: 335374 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4481b8dd$0$31648$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: OT: Sprague "Atoms" & "Orange-Drop" Caps
References: <1149281745.195039.9080@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <e5qkf4$ch7$03$1@news.t-online.com>
Date: 03 Jun 2006 16:29:17 GMT

Georg Richter <520066970381-0001@t-online.de> wrote:
> Our calibrated wine glasses had to be changed by law
> from 0,25 ltr. to 0,2 ltr.
> from 0,125 ltr. to 0,1 ltr.
> Did not affect me ... beer drinker ;-)

In some countries, beer glasses are calibrated ;-) In the Czech republic 
they are calibrated to 0,5ltr, in the UK and Ireland they are also 
calibrated, and even larger: 0,568 ltr.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 335375 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Dave Burson" <dlbdesig@pacbell.net>
References: <Psbgg.850$lp.55@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pictorial example how to repair IF-transformers
Message-ID: <PQjgg.15725$VE1.9566@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:41:04 GMT


"Omer Suleimanagich" <oabukovac@earthlink.net> wrote in message 
news:Psbgg.850$lp.55@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Please check this pictorial, it says everything!
>
> http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/pictorial_example_how_to_repair_if_transformers.html
>
> Omer
>
Thank you Omer & John Bartley.  This is very helpful to perpetual newbies 
like me.

Dave Burson 




Article: 335376 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: Re: OT: Sprague "Atoms" & "Orange-Drop" Caps
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:50:03 +0200
Message-ID: <e5slkr$rqq$02$1@news.t-online.com>
References: <1149281745.195039.9080@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <e5qkf4$ch7$03$1@news.t-online.com> <4481b8dd$0$31648$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <Lojgg.964$o4.42@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>

Omer Suleimanagich wrote

> I guess Andy Capp can't do without that "pint" of beer, S.I. or no
S.I.!

Was that the guy who had invented "recapping"?

>
> Marten wrote

> > Georg Richter wrote:
> >> Our calibrated wine glasses had to be changed by law
> >> from 0,25 ltr. to 0,2 ltr.
> >> from 0,125 ltr. to 0,1 ltr.
> >> Did not affect me ... beer drinker ;-)
> >
> > In some countries, beer glasses are calibrated ;-) In the Czech
republic
> > they are calibrated to 0,5ltr, in the UK and Ireland they are also
> > calibrated, and even larger: 0,568 ltr.

Here 0,2 ltr / 0,3 ltr. / 0,4 ltr. / 0,5 ltr. glasses,
the "Mass" 1,0 ltr. (glass, or glazed stonewarebut - seldom correct
filled ;-)
and the "Stiefel" with 0,25 ltr. / 0,5 ltr., 1,0 ltr. and 2,0 ltr.

Prost,
Georg




Article: 335377 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Jon" <jon@NOscapturaSPAM.com>
Subject: Not so new - but not quite anyique yet
Message-ID: <7ilgg.8941$W97.7184@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:20:35 GMT

I usually stick to working on tube radios, but a free projection TV followed 
me home recently. It works good, and has a bright picture, but need a little 
TLC to get the colors to line up properly. The set is a Fisher PT-800A. 
Anyone have a scan of the service manual for this set?


-- 
Jon Scaptura
Endicott, NY

See my antique radios here:
http://www.binghamtonradio.com/gallery2/v/Antique_radios/
and the workbench webcam:
http://www.binghamtonradio.com/webcam





Article: 335378 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jim rozen  <jim_member@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) TAGS
Date: 3 Jun 2006 12:38:08 -0700
Message-ID: <e5sof008qk@drn.newsguy.com>
References: <0RBfg.1479$Su3.131282@news20.bellglobal.com>   <Xns97D57AB4EFC73noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <1149280660.681882.268820@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Cmggg.2099$Su3.177702@news20.bellglobal.com>

In article <Cmggg.2099$Su3.177702@news20.bellglobal.com>, John Bartley says...

>There's some privacy issues there that bother me, something akin to "who 
>owns the black box in your new vehicle" ?? 

Or, the really sticky one, "who owns the source code, and who owns the
non-volatile data inside that black box?"

Answer, the manufacturer does.  You cannot, for the most part, 
read any of the data that your driving stored inside that computer.
The code needed to read it out is proprietary and cannot be 
obtained by the user.  Only dealers or law enforcement folks
with a court order can crack that nut.

And, just *try* asking your dealer to download the data.  

Jim


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Article: 335379 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: John Bartley <oldrad@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Pictorial example how to repair IF-transformers
References: <Psbgg.850$lp.55@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <PQjgg.15725$VE1.9566@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>
Message-ID: <Pxmgg.4776$EF1.308057@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:45:38 -0400

Dave Burson wrote:
> 
> Thank you Omer & John Bartley.  This is very helpful to perpetual newbies 
> like me.
> 
> Dave Burson 
>  

You're very welcome for the article, but I can't take credit for the 
idea. When I encountered this problem, I searched the internet and found 
the solution described in any number of places. All I did was put words 
and photos together. Credit where due (I think) :: I believe I first 
heard about the soldering iron "push-thru' trick from exray.

More recently the idea of mounting replacements "under-chassis" was 
again discussed on another forum and I have to agree with others that 
except in cases where under-chassis cosmetics are important, it seems to 
be much easier than trying to fit the replacements inside the can, 
especially when the exact value is in doubt.


-- 
regards from ::

John Bartley
43 Norway Spruce Street
Stittsville, Ontario
Canada, K2S1P5

( If you slow down it takes longer
        - does that apply to life also?)


Article: 335380 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Congress May Screw Up Your HD Picture
References: <25401-4481B0C9-178@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <Ppngg.4048$ED2.1939@bignews2.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:45:19 -0400

cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:
> The article is at    www.tvpredictions.com
> if y'all want to check it out.
> cuhulin
> 
If cable operators don't want to carry HDTV, fine.
The thing is though, if their customers want the HDTV
signal they will go else where, like maybe directTV or
some other sat service.  Also, if cable operaters advertise
that they have hidef service, they better deliver it in
hidef or they will have a class action suit on their hands
and end up forking out refunds.

I think what the article is saying is that cable operators
don't want to be forced into delivering every single hidef
signal that the broadcasters deliver, but want to pick
and choose according to market demands.  I'm ok with that,
a free market usually finds a level of supply and demand that
works out.


Article: 335381 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Usngg.4049$ED2.807@bignews2.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:48:37 -0400

Gerry wrote:
> Is it possible to substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?  I have plenty of
> 50C5s, but I've never even heard of a 25C5 until today.  Searching the
> web suggests that they are identical exept for the "heater rating".  I
> found this spec sheet at this link:
> http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf
> <http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf> 
> 
> Gerry
> 
WHY?  25C5 tubes are NOT rare or expensive.  (OK you probably
have a few 50C5's in the junk box).  But it won't work well
or for long if you try and the cost of the power resistor
required to balance things out and the work of installing it
isn't worth the effort.  Get a 25C5 tube.


Article: 335382 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: What's a Grid Glow Tube?
From: "LOP" <castles@yestertronics.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:11:31 -0700
Message-ID: <1149372289_12401@sp6iad.superfeed.net>
References: <1149338236.837890.281040@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

 Take a look at the following site for an application of a Grid Glow Tube.

http://earlyradiohistory.us/1930ads.htm

     Don and Liz
"DumpsterDiver" <morcegao@att.net> wrote in message 
news:1149338236.837890.281040@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Recently saw this item and I don't have a clue.  Anybody know what
> these are and what they are used for?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9735915193
>
>
> DD
>
> 



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Article: 335383 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: novatech@eskimo.com (Steven Swift)
Subject: Re: Fluke Meter Problem ... Resolution
Date: 3 Jun 2006 22:37:27 GMT
Message-ID: <e5t2v7$r75$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>
References: <1147349441.807261.228630@q12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1147349825.993023.116270@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> writes:

>Actually, they are pretty resistant to that sort of thing. I kept my
>Fluke under Saudi Eastern-Province conditions for 2.5 years (common
>conditions were 100+F @ 80+% RH) without a problem, even making the
>transition from cool inside to HHH outside.

>Perhaps at some time in the past, a drop of sweat or some such got into
>that socket, not just a bit of sweat off the leads. Any meter I have, I
>clean the sockets regularly (OK, once a month or so).

>Peter Wieck
>Wyncote, PA

But it can be spotty depending on where they bought the circuit boards,
whether that particular unit had rework, technician thumb print, etc.

We had a devil of a time keeping the factory clean after we designed those
things.

Steve Swift
ex-Flukie, 20+ years.
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Article: 335384 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Bill Eitner <kd6tas@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tubes in TRAM D201
References: <1149270807.364803.105330@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <Jfogg.45748$Lm5.10809@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:42:49 GMT

	6L6 in both sockets.

	www.cbtricks.com for service literature
--
radiotubes@fast.net wrote:
> Hi-
> 
> I came across D201 printed circuit version.  The unit looks complete
> except two missing octal tubes.  I have no schematics or service manual
> - is it avaiable somewhere on net for downloading?  Can someone please
> let me know what octal tubes should I put in sockets?  Thanks.
> 
> Jiri Placek
> Boyertown, PA
> 


Article: 335385 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: robert casey <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Pictorial example how to repair IF-transformers
References: <Psbgg.850$lp.55@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <PQjgg.15725$VE1.9566@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> <Pxmgg.4776$EF1.308057@news20.bellglobal.com>
Message-ID: <efogg.8700$921.1152@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:42:18 GMT

IF transformers from some Zenith radios use a nut and screw stud to hold 
the mica caps in place.  With those, I just take the mica wafer out and 
scrape the silver migration paths away with an Xacto knife, and then put 
it back in the transformer.  The scraped mica surface should block 
future migration.  This avoids having to guess at the cap sizes and a 
realignment.


Article: 335386 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
References: <1149354243.441590.103530@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: deal or no deal?
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:14:49 -0500
Message-ID: <448218c2$0$26811$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com> wrote
> sitting here thinking about the value of old radios. pondering what
> sets are undervalued, what sets are overvalued.

That's an easy one Eddie.

Everything I want to sell on eBay is undervalued.
Everything I want to buy on eBay is overvalued.

;-)

paul 



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Article: 335387 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Congress May Screw Up Your HD Picture
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:37:06 +0900
Message-ID: <e5t9rp$71d$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <25401-4481B0C9-178@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>   <1149371743.631853.82010@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1149374564.412051.212260@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149376775.621719.14610@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>


"Steven_" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1149376775.621719.14610@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Engineer wrote:
>> frenchy wrote:
>> > Now I know why I don't have cable, they are a-holes.  I should pay them
>> > $ to give me a standard def Super Bowl, when I can already watch it on
>> > free TV with my antenna in HD for free?  Yeaaaaaah.
>> >
>> > cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:
>> > > The article is at    www.tvpredictions.com
>> > > if y'all want to check it out.
>> > > cuhulin
>>
>> Hmm... this cable thing has me really p****d off.  We subscribe to
>> Rogers digital cable plus the entry level movie option (don't ask me
>> what its called, I can't understand Rogers moronic promo stuff...) and
>> hi-speed Internet (that was the motivation.)  The TV programming is
>> just terrible.  In 100 plus channels, most nights we say "nothing on
>> TV", or we watch British TV reruns, some twice!  I'd rather be in the
>> basement playing with AM tube radios and building tube amplifiers...
>> <g>
>> As for HDTV, I'd willingly buy a large LCD TV but I refuse to pay for
>> the cable service at today's rates - I'm paying too much already for
>> c**p programming.  My wife has even suggested we go back to rabbit
>> ears...
>> BTW, I spoke to a lady at a garage sale last week - she was sellijng a
>> pair of half-decent Cerwin-Vega loudspeakers (cheap, but not my
>> favourite, so did not buy them.)  She told me she had just upgraded her
>> home theatre system to include a 50 inch HDTV. "Ho, Ho",  I said, "That
>> will cost you a few bucks more a month for cable!".  "Oh, no", she
>> said, "I just have basic cable, the HDTV is for my DVD movies".  Sounds
>> OK to me.
>> Cheers,
>> Roger
>
> Been telling you the electronics industry would screw us that way. They
> know the OTA systems are garbage, it's software that suits them.


I'll have to find the artical again, but I read some time back that cable 
systems will not be allowed to 'downres' DTV signals.. which means that they 
also wouldn't be allowed to convert them to analog for the old sets.





Article: 335388 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Congress May Screw Up Your HD Picture
References: <25401-4481B0C9-178@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>   <1149371743.631853.82010@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1149374564.412051.212260@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149376775.621719.14610@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <e5t9rp$71d$1@news2.kornet.net>
Message-ID: <lQqgg.72997$iB2.927@bignews4.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:41:57 -0400

Brenda Ann wrote:
> "Steven_" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:1149376775.621719.14610@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> 
>>Engineer wrote:
>>
>>>frenchy wrote:
>>>
>>>>Now I know why I don't have cable, they are a-holes.  I should pay them
>>>>$ to give me a standard def Super Bowl, when I can already watch it on
>>>>free TV with my antenna in HD for free?  Yeaaaaaah.
>>>>
>>>>cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The article is at    www.tvpredictions.com
>>>>>if y'all want to check it out.
>>>>>cuhulin
>>>
>>>Hmm... this cable thing has me really p****d off.  We subscribe to
>>>Rogers digital cable plus the entry level movie option (don't ask me
>>>what its called, I can't understand Rogers moronic promo stuff...) and
>>>hi-speed Internet (that was the motivation.)  The TV programming is
>>>just terrible.  In 100 plus channels, most nights we say "nothing on
>>>TV", or we watch British TV reruns, some twice!  I'd rather be in the
>>>basement playing with AM tube radios and building tube amplifiers...
>>><g>
>>>As for HDTV, I'd willingly buy a large LCD TV but I refuse to pay for
>>>the cable service at today's rates - I'm paying too much already for
>>>c**p programming.  My wife has even suggested we go back to rabbit
>>>ears...
>>>BTW, I spoke to a lady at a garage sale last week - she was sellijng a
>>>pair of half-decent Cerwin-Vega loudspeakers (cheap, but not my
>>>favourite, so did not buy them.)  She told me she had just upgraded her
>>>home theatre system to include a 50 inch HDTV. "Ho, Ho",  I said, "That
>>>will cost you a few bucks more a month for cable!".  "Oh, no", she
>>>said, "I just have basic cable, the HDTV is for my DVD movies".  Sounds
>>>OK to me.
>>>Cheers,
>>>Roger
>>
>>Been telling you the electronics industry would screw us that way. They
>>know the OTA systems are garbage, it's software that suits them.
> 
> 
> 
> I'll have to find the artical again, but I read some time back that cable 
> systems will not be allowed to 'downres' DTV signals.. which means that they 
> also wouldn't be allowed to convert them to analog for the old sets.
> 
> 
> 
I think they CAN downres the signals for analog delivery (in fact they
might HAVE TO because of copy protection shit) but they won't be able
to downres for digital delivery.  Since analog cable acts as a set top
box for people with old non-digital tv's and anybody getting their tv
via cable counts toward the percent required to allow shutting down
the old analog signals, you can bet that the tv stations WANT cable to
deliver their DTV signals over analog.

What I hope the cable people are not allowed to do is to scramble and
encrypt their DTV signals of over the air stations.  That way I won't
need a cable box to get 'broadcast' DTV if I just hook the cable up to
a DTV ready TV set.  Stuff like HBO, SHOWTIME, etc would be scrambled
and encrypted so you'd need a cable box or cable card to get, but anything
that you can get for free over the air should be available for just
the basic cable rate, even if it's HDTV or DTV delivered.


Article: 335389 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Zenith phono what is the real tube lineup???
Message-ID: <Ngrgg.73005$iB2.27123@bignews4.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:12:18 -0400

In one photo you can see that there are two 7 pin miniature tubes
in this set, yet the tube lineup data pasted to the radio
shows only octal tubes.  Did Zenith pull a fast one here?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ZENITH-5R086Z-WOOD-PHONOGRAPH-TUBE-RADIO_W0QQitemZ6634568861QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Article: 335390 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <Ngrgg.73005$iB2.27123@bignews4.bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith phono what is the real tube lineup???
Message-ID: <8Ergg.20327$8T4.14048@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:33:40 GMT


"Ken Scharf" <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net> wrote in message 
news:Ngrgg.73005$iB2.27123@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> In one photo you can see that there are two 7 pin miniature tubes
> in this set, yet the tube lineup data pasted to the radio
> shows only octal tubes.  Did Zenith pull a fast one here?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-ZENITH-5R086Z-WOOD-PHONOGRAPH-TUBE-RADIO_W0QQitemZ6634568861QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Look at the supplement label in the auction for the other tubes.

jim menning 




Article: 335391 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: deal or no deal?
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:11:31 -0400
Message-ID: <1284jrd463kmecd@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1149354243.441590.103530@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <uYqdnZ3am8pQWhzZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com> <1149356840.193944.67050@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

 Don't know about the Scott cabinets being over valued, eddie. My Braemar is 
solid clear walnut. It suffers mostly from being plain to the point of 
homely. Stein does say the cabinet alone is worth some $1500- , but that's 
in line with the rest of his values. They are exactly right- for a truly 
mint example, which is to say one in dozens offered for sale.

John H. 




Article: 335392 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: deal or no deal?
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:15:57 -0400
Message-ID: <1284k3po98ftp4a@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1149354243.441590.103530@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <uYqdnZ3am8pQWhzZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com>   <1149356840.193944.67050@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1149373672.650075.117790@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>


"AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com> wrote in message 
news:1149373672.650075.117790@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>

>
> It seems that classic Capeharts are under-valued.  Of course, they all 
> came with phonos.

A Capehart is a PHONOGRAPH with a radio attached really.

John H. 




Article: 335393 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Charlie Hugg" <hug-a-bug1@cox.net>
Subject: Need knob for American Bosch 360
Message-ID: <Ptsgg.35572$4H.15369@dukeread03>
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:29:56 -0500

Hi,

This is my first time on the newsgroup.  A friend is looking for a knob for 
an American Bosch 360 radio.  Does anyone have one or know where one can be 
obtained.

Thanks,
Charlie




Article: 335394 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Yet another "Skippy" nym to killfile. :(
Message-ID: <jpl4825e4g0sa8feocnmkvmqsseqatt7ue@4ax.com>
References: <25401-4481B0C9-178@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> <1149371743.631853.82010@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1149374564.412051.212260@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149376775.621719.14610@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <448225DE.C84B7626@earthlink.net> <1149380592.684900.120650@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1149381204.307410.121920@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:45:17 -0400

On 3 Jun 2006 17:33:24 -0700, "Steven"
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Happy Fucking PLONK yourself. Go hide again.
>Don't get Budweiser in your Exlax now



Another Stupid Stevie post!
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
prove it. 


*Used with express written permission of its creator.


Article: 335395 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Finally Really Fired Up the Scott Phantom
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 01:01:02 -0400
Message-ID: <1284q8nt7jlt76c@corp.supernews.com>

And I picked this up for the first time at quite listenable volume and 
clarity from 700 miles away in Vermont-

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/info?call=CHTN&service=AM

John H. 




Article: 335396 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Remember those worn out Fisher tubes?
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:53:39 -0700
Message-ID: <fpp4825532s54b212r7vs7kn7geb45l4em@4ax.com>
References: <mpl16257cj7l1t4fj7ldqa1a08m9heqk2d@4ax.com> <1147198143.980301.190970@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1149337666.479294.115240@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

On 3 Jun 2006 05:27:46 -0700, smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com wrote:

>good point- the tubes were sold, and the winner left good feedback-
>just something to keep in mind, about DB and his inflammatory animation <snip>

66fourdork aka Charlie Noodles with a new spam account...after getting
eight others shut down on his ass.


Article: 335397 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Fisher 500c is Back
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:57:00 -0700
Message-ID: <eup48210u1jjmm55jmi0ijan727tmqgujf@4ax.com>
References: <l8udnRnYfLaKrR_ZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:58:02 -0700, "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Check out what he is offering. We routinely have these
>types at our estate sales and are lucky to
>get $25.00 to $50.00 for them. But, I am sure his are in
>'mint' condition .... so these seem like a real bargain!!
>
>Notice, he still has no feedback, yet his 'mint' 500c
>was sold through AudioGon, he says  ... knowing
>the people that participate in AudioGon, I am sure
>he has received wonderful emails about his junk ...
>
>http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?vintelec&1154523254 <snip

He has no ads up...what'd he do this time?  I see where he's spamming
Audiogon ads to the hilt, but no ad.  I don't care if he spams
those...as long as he's gone from eBay, I couldn't care less.


Article: 335398 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" <nobody@nowhere.com>
Subject: Re: RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) TAGS
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:39:35 -0700
Message-ID: <jqv482tn2ho5rki0poq5dobnklnh5kqhar@4ax.com>
References: <0RBfg.1479$Su3.131282@news20.bellglobal.com>   <Xns97D57AB4EFC73noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> <1149280660.681882.268820@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Cmggg.2099$Su3.177702@news20.bellglobal.com> <e5sof008qk@drn.newsguy.com>

you can read some of that stuff via OBD-II or CAN interfaces - don't
know how much - it's been a decade since I was doing relevant studies
with GM on this.

by the way, if anyone is interested, I have OBD-II to RS232 converters
for Ford and GM that I don't need (got a pkg deal and I need the
european ISO variant, so these others are surplus to me) - if you want
one, drop me a note (off the list - you can get my email from my web
site, www.wbnoble.com - the return address I use for posting is bogus
of course) or unmangle this  (will    i   am  _b_   no  ble@   ms  n.
theusual) - you can read about these types of goodies at
www.scantool.net among other places

On 3 Jun 2006 12:38:08 -0700, jim rozen  <jim_member@newsguy.com>
wrote:

>In article <Cmggg.2099$Su3.177702@news20.bellglobal.com>, John Bartley says...
>
>>There's some privacy issues there that bother me, something akin to "who 
>>owns the black box in your new vehicle" ?? 
>
>Or, the really sticky one, "who owns the source code, and who owns the
>non-volatile data inside that black box?"
>
>Answer, the manufacturer does.  You cannot, for the most part, 
>read any of the data that your driving stored inside that computer.
>The code needed to read it out is proprietary and cannot be 
>obtained by the user.  Only dealers or law enforcement folks
>with a court order can crack that nut.
>
>And, just *try* asking your dealer to download the data.  
>
>Jim
Bill

www.wbnoble.com

to contact me, do not reply to this message, 
instead correct this address and use it

will iam_  b_   No  ble   at  msn  daught   com

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Article: 335399 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: deal or no deal?
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:47:02 -0600
Message-ID: <17247-448281E6-397@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149354243.441590.103530@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Undervalued .. Geman made table radios . They outsound almost any other
table radio .

Overvalued .. The Zenith Walton series .. ridiculous ! and catalin
``shrinking`` radios 



Article: 335400 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Emerson Tube Radio Volume Control Inoperative
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:53:20 -0600
Message-ID: <17247-44828360-398@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149381059.430417.191760@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Did it work before you replaced all the capacitors ? If you shot gun to
many parts all at once mistakes are easy to make .
 



Article: 335401 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Congress May Screw Up Your HD Picture
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:58:30 -0600
Message-ID: <17247-44828496-399@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <25401-4481B0C9-178@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>

My lawnmower has grass stuck under it . My toilet has hard water stains
and my fence has several bee hives on it .



Article: 335402 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Dial Face Close-up Photo Needed
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 01:05:55 -0600
Message-ID: <17247-44828653-400@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <k2Ofg.758845$084.403315@attbi_s22>

John said ``didnt have Deoxit then``
........
And dont need it now either .. JUNK.. spit would work better :-)



Article: 335403 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Finally Really Fired Up the Scott Phantom
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 01:11:33 -0600
Message-ID: <17247-448287A5-401@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1284q8nt7jlt76c@corp.supernews.com>

Thats quite a distance . How far s Roswell New Mexico from Idaho ? i
used to listen to a station in RNM when it played old music . Came in
real clear here evenings on about anything .  



Article: 335404 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <Usngg.4049$ED2.807@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <1149383900.708531.62510@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-0406060006500001@216-80-74-240.d.enteract.com>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
Message-ID: <K%vgg.5911$ci.2679@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 07:31:54 GMT

That's exactly the problem!

Ray

"John Byrns" <jbyrns@rcn.com> wrote in message 
news:jbyrns-0406060006500001@216-80-74-240.d.enteract.com...
> In article <1149383900.708531.62510@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Bret
> Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  If the 50C5 were the only suitable tube on earth available, yes you
>> could use it by redesigning the series heater string and providing its
>> own power supply for its heater. It would be good exercise to do this
>> on paper.
>>
>>  First, we unhook the 25C5 heater from its place in the string and
>> replace it with the appropriate value resistor.  We know the 25C5 has
>> 25 volts across its heater and consumes 300 mA. So its hot resistance
>> is 83.3 ohms. We put in a resistor of that value  and then we hook the
>> 50C5 filament across the AC line with a series dropping resistor, which
>> value we determine the same way.
>>
>>  Now we are going to pull more current from the AC line and much more
>> of it will be unnecessary waste heat. But if we do this, use the
>> primary of any cheap common 115/230 power transformer    pulled from a
>> dead consumer appliance or radio (and most of them are) as an
>> autoformer we only have to drop 10 volts with a series resistor instead
>> of 70 with a resistor for the 50C5. We will still waste a little more
>> power and make more heat but not as much. Of course the unit will no
>> lognger work on 110 VDC. Do you have an antique farm wind generator or
>> an old powerboat with a 110VDC supply? I didn't think so either.
>>
>>  Taking it further, we could replace ALL the tubes with 12 or 6 (or any
>> other value) heaters, wire them in parallel, and use a transformer with
>> a heater winding and a B+ winding and make a much better radio, all
>> told.
>>
>>  Now whether we SHOULD is arguable, but if you don't enjoy thinking
>> about these things and doing them once in a while, you need a different
>> hobby.
>
>
> Bret, while your thinking about this problem may have been enjoyable, it
> still led you to the same basic conclusion as all the other people who
> want to send Gerry a new 25C5.  The probabilities are that the 25C5 Gerry
> already has is perfectly good, and that the real problem is the
> modification that Gerry made to this phono.  The clues to the likely true
> situation are found Gerry's statements that "Problem is that it's taking 1
> - 2 minutes to warm up now rather than just a few seconds." and "actually,
> I swapped out the V-M turntable with another that
> was mono".  It is likely that this phono had the 25C5 and 6AT6 heaters
> wired in series with the original phono motor.  The replacement changer
> most likely had a motor designed for operation directly from 120 volts, so
> that when it was connected in the series string arrangement the current
> through the motor, and hence the heater current for the tubes was
> considerably less than the 300 mA the tubes were designed for, hence the
> slow warm-up.  Gerry could verify this by measuring the voltage across the
> tubes heaters, he will probably find that it is considerably less than the
> 27.6 volt rating for the total of the two heaters.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> John Byrns
>
>
> Surf my web pages at,  http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ 




Article: 335405 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4482c43d$0$31648$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <Usngg.4049$ED2.807@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <1149383900.708531.62510@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: 04 Jun 2006 11:30:06 GMT

Bret Ludwig <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote:
> replace it with the appropriate value resistor.  We know the 25C5 has
> 25 volts across its heater and consumes 300 mA. So its hot resistance
> is 83.3 ohms. We put in a resistor of that value  and then we hook the
> 50C5 filament across the AC line with a series dropping resistor, which
> value we determine the same way.

Or, for the more advanced designer, calculate whether you can run the 
series string or the 50C5 with a series diode directly from the AC line. 
Or do like Philips in their later B/W TV sets: wire a suitable capacitor 
in series with the heater string.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 335406 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Yet another "Skippy" nym to killfile. :(
Message-ID: <hth5821ivqj7ustl94gqi4cui449a2auk9@4ax.com>
References: <25401-4481B0C9-178@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> <1149371743.631853.82010@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1149374564.412051.212260@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149376775.621719.14610@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <448225DE.C84B7626@earthlink.net> <1149380592.684900.120650@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1149381204.307410.121920@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jpl4825e4g0sa8feocnmkvmqsseqatt7ue@4ax.com> <1149408755.864489.236880@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 07:45:33 -0400

On 4 Jun 2006 01:12:35 -0700, "Steven"
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Beerbarrel wrote:
>> On 3 Jun 2006 17:33:24 -0700, "Steven"
>> <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Happy Fucking PLONK yourself. Go hide again.
>> >Don't get Budweiser in your Exlax now
>>
>>
>>
>> Another Stupid Stevie post!
>> __________________________________________________________
>>
>> KE4ODD
>>
>> Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
>> prove it.
>>
>>
>> *Used with express written permission of its creator.
>
>Come to borrow underarm deodorant?


I'll bet as fat as you are you go through it by the gallon.
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
prove it. 


*Used with express written permission of its creator.


Article: 335407 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: On The Forum the other Day...
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:14:03 -0400
Message-ID: <1285jkl3q34sv70@corp.supernews.com>
References: <127q3inknkua6a7@corp.supernews.com> <AD8fg.40413$q13.282519@weber.videotron.net>


"Syl" <personne@perdu.com> wrote in message 
news:AD8fg.40413$q13.282519@weber.videotron.net...
>
 >
> But they are everywhere on the net...Are we thinking of the same dog ?
>


I am a bit "tired" of some folks there who rarely if ever work on radios but 
believe they know more about them (and most other things) than anyone.

John H. 




Article: 335408 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Smokey" <nospamtelegraph@intergate.com>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:19:04 -0500
Message-ID: <1285jrgofijv3ef@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <12832cclj6m88ef@corp.supernews.com> <dLednTVtivN5IRzZRVn-jA@comcast.com>

Sigh. Thank you for correcting me. Jeez.
Gerry: Email me your address and I'll ship you a 25C5.

Smokey

P.S. The word, "Anyway" is not spelled with an "S".

"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message
news:dLednTVtivN5IRzZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> I think you mean you will mail him a 25C5, thats what he needs!  I have
all
> the xxC5's in stock.  I recently needed a 50C5 for that GE Musaphonic I
> posted about earlier,  and went thru 3 used ones before finding a good one
> (I have NOS in stock, just wanted to use up some old stock).  Anyways, the
> xxC5's seem prone to shorts.
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>
> "Smokey" <nospamtelegraph@intergate.com> wrote in message
> news:12832cclj6m88ef@corp.supernews.com...
> > Seems like an awful lot  of labor-intensive work to reconfigure the
> > circuit for an "iffy" outcome. Email me your address and I'll mail you a
> > 50C5.
> >
> > Smokey
> > telegrapher@hotmail.com
> >
> > "Gerry" <gerryu21220@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > > Is it possible to substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?  I have plenty of
> > > 50C5s, but I've never even heard of a 25C5 until today.  Searching the
> > > web suggests that they are identical exept for the "heater rating".  I
> > > found this spec sheet at this link:
> > > http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf
> > > <http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/093/5/50C5.pdf>
> > >
> > > Gerry
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>




Article: 335409 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1149383270.354947.241400@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1149384248.392282.52130@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1149386414.768100.138900@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1149394304.794604.51300@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith porthole TV and another 40's console cheap FA
Message-ID: <NzBgg.20349$8T4.10773@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:51:41 GMT


"Dave" <anaconda89@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1149394304.794604.51300@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> What model # is it?
>

Why?  You're not having it shipped to Australia, are you?  Try asking the seller over 
on eBay.

jim menning 




Article: 335410 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Mr. Fisher 500c is Back
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:02:16 -0600
Message-ID: <6062-44830408-550@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149434064.589660.121600@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

Stop posting this junk 



Article: 335411 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Roger Blake <rogblake10@iname10.com>
Subject: Re: (OT) Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
References: <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com> <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com> <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com> <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <Y_sfg.4844$VE1.3706@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> <1149165148.133345.164470@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <e5pkg70ctc@news1.newsguy.com> <uap082t03jq8uc9ifl2695ba68ogmnbudq@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <slrne8626q.hn2.rogblake10@moog.netaxs.com>
Date: 04 Jun 2006 16:22:44 GMT

In article <uap082t03jq8uc9ifl2695ba68ogmnbudq@4ax.com>, DeserTBoB wrote:
> and up gasoline.  He's made token statements regarding hybrids and
> multi-fuelers, but the numbers are way too small to put Ford in a

Hybrids suck, if someone gave me one I'd give it back. A Rube Goldberg
drivetrain reliant on hundreds of pounds of expensive, short-lived batteries,
all yielding around the same fuel efficiency of a 25-year-old VW Rabbit diesel.

Thanks, but no thanks. (Diesel and multi-fuel may at least make some kind
of sense. Hybrids will be rotting in junkyards soon enough, when the cost
to replace the battery back exceeds the value of the vehicle.)

-- 
  Roger Blake
  (Subtract 10 for email.)


Article: 335412 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Finally Really Fired Up the Scott Phantom
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:12:00 -0600
Message-ID: <6062-44830650-556@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1149409169.191900.247180@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Ah yes i listen to KRVN at times 



Article: 335413 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Roger Blake <rogblake10@iname10.com>
Subject: Re: The death of NTSC [was Re: Why I haven't bought a Philco in ages]
References: <1149024077.251495.188280@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <16028-447D2914-817@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <e5dq72d9eab0l7r6ai2e51nijvm8mpctpm@4ax.com> <1149078713.720486.113970@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <sk8r729vkfo6nhk1pircrq88kjh91638hc@4ax.com> <1149096310.867782.319360@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jbyrns-3105061542380001@216-80-74-96.d.enteract.com> <ra7s72tvagitnbalu7io5te6t60cvh9781@4ax.com> <1149125312.187785.213740@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <hjls729ggsqre79qikp1u09u1iukjukf29@4ax.com> <1149165309.261424.253000@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <slrne862ia.hn2.rogblake10@moog.netaxs.com>
Date: 04 Jun 2006 16:28:52 GMT

In article <1149165309.261424.253000@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Peter Wieck wrote:
> designation, but I deliberately picked 1975 as it is taken by many as
> the absolute worst year for the American automobile industry in terms
> of product, quality, and aptness. 

I drive a 1975 AMC Hornet, which after more than 30 years still runs just
fine, thank you very much. (It has never needed major drivetrain work,
only the replacement of normal wear-and-tear items.) Seems like a good
enough year to me.

-- 
  Roger Blake
  (Subtract 10 for email.)


Article: 335414 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Still looking for Leutz knob
Message-ID: <1gEgg.37683$Lg.3122@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:55:25 GMT


I'm looking for a very special knob.
They were used on Leutz superhets.
They are made up from a General Radio
main knob and a 4" metal dial skirt installed
by E.I.S. Experimenters Information Service.

I need ONE to complete my Leutz C-7 Special.
I will gladly pay $50 for one in nice condition.

Here's a URL to a web page with close-up
photos of the knob.
http://radioheaven.homestead.com/grknob.html

PLEASE, look through your junque boxes
and see if you have one of these.


Ron

Radio Collection Web Page,
http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com

WANTED!
http://radioheaven.homestead.com/grknob.html





Article: 335415 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Fisher 500c is Back
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:46:11 -0700
Message-ID: <jg3682hrnvif20ahbqqknikr9upau8msm9@4ax.com>
References: <l8udnRnYfLaKrR_ZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com>   <eup48210u1jjmm55jmi0ijan727tmqgujf@4ax.com> <1149433249.306080.268750@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <yLqdnb_X7LQYZB_ZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:17:28 -0700, "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net>
wrote:

>> Perhaps because both of them already sold, you DUMB ASS. <snip>

So you canceled the ads to avoid paying fees?  Forwarded to Audiogon's
staff for review.
>
>... right, can't wait to see the feedback you get on AudioGon
>   still haven't seen the feedback from the 500C, what's up
>   with that?<snip>

As usual, he lied...like he always does, due to mental illness caused
by excessive ingestion of mercury from his toxic NE Pennsylvania
environment.>


Article: 335416 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Fisher 500c is Back
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:47:37 -0700
Message-ID: <0k3682h1mlscbrpe3qhsnrhg4tpvd6murt@4ax.com>
References: <l8udnRnYfLaKrR_ZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149433163.864147.75660@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 4 Jun 2006 07:59:23 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>
>graham wrote:
>> Check out what he is offering. We routinely have these
>> types at our estate sales and are lucky to
>> get $25.00 to $50.00 for them. But, I am sure his are in
>> 'mint' condition .... so these seem like a real bargain!!
>>
>> Notice, he still has no feedback, yet his 'mint' 500c
>> was sold through AudioGon, he says  ... knowing
>> the people that participate in AudioGon, I am sure
>> he has received wonderful emails about his junk ...
>>
>> http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?vintelec&1154523254 <snip>

Ad was canceled.
>
>That would explain why someone just sent a tractor trailer here last
>week, to pick one up for $100, and ship it to Maine at the cost of $300  <snip>

Liar.
>
>That also would explain why the guts alone are worth nearly $200 <snip>
Liar.
>
>Wow, you are one DUMB ASS. <snip>

Wow, you are a nutbag with a brain full of mercury.


Article: 335417 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Fisher 500c is Back
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:50:25 -0700
Message-ID: <oo3682pjmpi1qihvnoblo1cbq2int6uku4@4ax.com>
References: <l8udnRnYfLaKrR_ZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1149386094.821996.75090@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1149433410.269381.164040@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <c5OdnSuijO2-ZB_ZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:15:49 -0700, "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>"CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote in message 
>news:1149433410.269381.164040@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Notice how Graham, like DeserTBob, has become obsessed with my stereo
>> items for sale- to the point of searching for them outside of Usenet
>> and Google.  Then dragging the link back here and posting it.
>
>... not obsessed at all, I spend alot of time on AudioGon ... my interest
>    is in high-end audio and don't want the crap you post for sale there
>
>> There's that Twilight Zone music again.  I can smell Graham's house
>> stench from here.
>
>... must be the Maine Coon, he is getting old, kind of like you ...  <snip>

Note that this spammer/troll/nutcase is now spamming under a new
account:

smogchokedlosangeles@hotmail.com

Keep those spam complaints rolling it...we got two more of his
addresses shut down last time...let's go for them all!


Article: 335418 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Gordon Richmond <richmond@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: deal or no deal?
Message-ID: <0p7682tp54o53e5mv7m67vh9958nmlk3qd@4ax.com>
References: <1149354243.441590.103530@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <uYqdnZ3am8pQWhzZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com> <1149356840.193944.67050@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1149373672.650075.117790@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:01:12 GMT

>
>> midwest was bascially a very cheap made cabinet with a lot of flash.  i
>>  had the misfortune to have to restore a couple and they have to rank
>> as one of the most overated out there. i would buy one for a low price,
>> but wouldn't give anywhere near what some are going for these days.
>> i said scott cabinets...not scott radios. scott radios are keepers.
>> the cabinets are noce, but not that much above any other high end
>> console.
>> emerson...many cheap radios in decent cabinets. if i hade to take one
>> off my list for being overvalued, it would be the nice emerson wood
>> cabinet radios.
>> in order to end up being collectible, something must be desireable, and
>> at least somewhat unusual and a lttle difficult to fine.  beanie babies
>> define the word fad as far as collecting. everybody thought their
>> newest beanie was collectible, only to find out they made 3 million of
>> them.  odd as it may sound, i expect beanies to someday become a
>> collectible again. may take 30 years, but it will happen.
>
>It seems that classic Capeharts are under-valued. Of course, they all
>came with phonos. The plain-jane dime a dozen radios that some of the
>Ebay sellers overkill with polished brass and thick finishes are
>currently overpriced. I'd like to see the resale value on some of
>those. As said before, most Zeniths are over-priced. 1930s RCAs are
>under-priced, usually.


Speaking of '30s RCAs, I spotted a model C-15 console at an antique store yesterday. Looks
like a 12-tuber with eye tube, and both the dial/knob area AND the speaker grille live
behind cabinet doors like on a China cabinet.

Seems to be a well-made set, but the finish would need to be re-done. The dial glass is
real murky, but intact.

Any idea what it'd be worth?

Gordon Richmond


Article: 335419 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: deal or no deal?
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:14:33 -0400
Message-ID: <12868okfbs02hae@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1149354243.441590.103530@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <uYqdnZ3am8pQWhzZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com> <1149356840.193944.67050@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1149373672.650075.117790@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0p7682tp54o53e5mv7m67vh9958nmlk3qd@4ax.com>


"Gordon Richmond" <richmond@telusplanet.net> wrote in message 
news:0p7682tp54o53e5mv7m67vh9958nmlk3qd@4ax.com...
> >
 > Speaking of '30s RCAs, I spotted a model C-15

Sounds like a C15-3, one of these greatest radios EVER. This has 15 tubes 
total. Value varies- one on eBay recently went for about fifty dollars. BUT 
if it were, say, from Michigan and being sold by an RCA collector it would 
be worth $250- to $300- for the same radio. But if it were a 15 tube Zenith 
those prices must be multiplied by ten despite the poorer performance and 
build. Collectors don't like doors on their radios.

John H. 




Article: 335420 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1149448668.097719.98180@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Is this a real Philco cabinet
Message-ID: <TwGgg.20373$8T4.10185@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:29:55 GMT


"RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1149448668.097719.98180@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Check this out, just wondering.  Doesn't look like a fake DO IT
> YOURSELF cabinet.  I checked archives on web sites, don't see it
> anywhere.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6633476480&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1
>

It is a 37-630 chassis, and it's got the proper labels in the cabinet.  I believe 
you'll discover this is the 37-630MX Philco.

jim menning 




Article: 335421 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1149448668.097719.98180@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <S4ydnZojC4xkrx7ZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Is this a real Philco cabinet
Message-ID: <ByGgg.20374$8T4.14155@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:31:45 GMT


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:S4ydnZojC4xkrx7ZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> Ramierez' Philco book shows this as a 37-640.  They must have put the wrong
> sticker on it!  Its fairly rare, compared to the others that chassis fits.
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>

It appears to be labeled correctly, after all it IS a 37-630 chassis in it.  Probably 
a 37-630MX console.

jim menning 




Article: 335422 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1149448668.097719.98180@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <S4ydnZojC4xkrx7ZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ByGgg.20374$8T4.14155@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Is this a real Philco cabinet
Message-ID: <5FGgg.20375$8T4.3331@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:38:41 GMT


"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:ByGgg.20374$8T4.14155@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
> news:S4ydnZojC4xkrx7ZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> Ramierez' Philco book shows this as a 37-640.  They must have put the wrong
>> sticker on it!  Its fairly rare, compared to the others that chassis fits.
>>
>> Mark Oppat
>>
>>
>
> It appears to be labeled correctly, after all it IS a 37-630 chassis in it. 
> Probably a 37-630MX console.
>
> jim menning
>

I'd like to retract that, I'm looking at the wrong service bulletin, it may indeed be 
a 37-640 in that cabinet, but it is definitely an original Philco cabinet.

jim menning 




Article: 335423 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1149448668.097719.98180@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <TwGgg.20373$8T4.10185@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Is this a real Philco cabinet
Message-ID: <IFGgg.20379$8T4.11866@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:39:20 GMT


"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:TwGgg.20373$8T4.10185@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:1149448668.097719.98180@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Check this out, just wondering.  Doesn't look like a fake DO IT
>> YOURSELF cabinet.  I checked archives on web sites, don't see it
>> anywhere.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6633476480&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1
>>
>
> It is a 37-630 chassis, and it's got the proper labels in the cabinet.  I believe 
> you'll discover this is the 37-630MX Philco.
>
> jim menning
>

I'd like to retract that, I'm looking at the wrong service bulletin, it may indeed be 
a 37-640 in that cabinet, but it is definitely an original Philco cabinet.

jim menning 




Article: 335424 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1149448668.097719.98180@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <TwGgg.20373$8T4.10185@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <IFGgg.20379$8T4.11866@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Is this a real Philco cabinet
Message-ID: <%NGgg.20380$8T4.24@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:48:11 GMT


"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:IFGgg.20379$8T4.11866@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
> news:TwGgg.20373$8T4.10185@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>> news:1149448668.097719.98180@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Check this out, just wondering.  Doesn't look like a fake DO IT
>>> YOURSELF cabinet.  I checked archives on web sites, don't see it
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6633476480&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1
>>>
>>
>> It is a 37-630 chassis, and it's got the proper labels in the cabinet.  I believe 
>> you'll discover this is the 37-630MX Philco.
>>
>> jim menning
>>
>
> I'd like to retract that, I'm looking at the wrong service bulletin, it may indeed 
> be a 37-640 in that cabinet, but it is definitely an original Philco cabinet.
>
> jim menning
>

Further research here (Philco bulletin 251A) does indeed show the 37-630 was 
available in the "MX" cabinet.  And Philco bulletin 251 lists the tuner part number 
visible in the listings (31-1818) as the correct part number for the 37-630, not the 
37-640.

Maybe I need to retract my retraction, and again state I do believe this to be a real 
and correctly labeled Philco model 37-630MX.  ;o)

jim menning 




Article: 335425 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <1149338236.837890.281040@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <1149372289_12401@sp6iad.superfeed.net> <1149389362.146387.132050@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: What's a Grid Glow Tube?
Message-ID: <zqHgg.4391$9c7.2087@trnddc06>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:31:27 GMT

Yes, the function of capacitors was definitely well-known at the time, but 
consider the fact that this is a very different time.  I don't know what the 
proper time constant would require, but you might expect to need a 500uF or 
1000 uF electrolytic -- available cheap today but unheard of at the time. 
On the other hand, cheap labor was widespread, and it was nothing to build a 
mechanical contraption to take care of the timing needs.




-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"DumpsterDiver" <morcegao@att.net> wrote in message 
news:1149389362.146387.132050@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> LOP wrote:
>> Take a look at the following site for an application of a Grid Glow Tube.
>>
>> http://earlyradiohistory.us/1930ads.htm
>>
>>      Don and Liz
>>
>
> COOL AND A HALF!  Gotta be a contender for the all-time Rube Goldberg
> Award in the radio area!
>
> Wonder if anybody ever actually built one of these gizmos or if Lee
> DeForest was just joking around or what.  Using the beam of light to
> send the "mute" signal sounds straightforward enough, but using a
> mechanical spring & pneumatic cylinder for the time delay sounds a bit
> tongue-in-cheek, no?  I mean, like, they DID have condensers and
> resistors even way back in 1930, so you'd think they'd have figured a
> way to make an RC circuit of some sort perform the timing countdown
> function.
>
> Or maybe a mouse on a treadmill, or ...
>
>
>
> DD
> 




Article: 335426 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Yet another "Skippy" nym to killfile. :(
Message-ID: <eog68213smu1jgpugl4cfl7g7h3u7s7sn9@4ax.com>
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Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:32:10 -0400

On 4 Jun 2006 09:41:52 -0700, "Steven"
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
>>    The boy just doesn't get PLONK, does he? :(
>
>Plonk happens if you stop responding and actually PLONK.
>
>While you and Tracy were busy leapfrogging each other for a great
>insult I went over to Weiser with the neighbor lady and had a really
>nice time at karaoke.
>
>I also got the barbeque bottle filled and now can properly introduce
>carcinogens into meat (and tater tots and buns)...that gas grille was
>one of the best things I have bought, cost 70 dollars, and I built it
>myself a few Julys ago. 32,000 BTU dual burners, huge hood with three
>racks and better than most of my friends' gas barbeques that cost more.
>
>I still have money too.
>
>Now, plonk me and don't hit your head retracting into your shell?


That was a great insult wasn't it? You could be a poster boy for Right
Guard I'm sure only they would need a billboard for you.
__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
prove it. 


*Used with express written permission of its creator.


Article: 335427 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: Talk about retentive....
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:34:18 -0400
Message-ID: <4eguedF1ed2saU1@individual.net>
References: <zOGdnWNQsvem5B_ZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <J9udnWha-t-d4R_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com> <qa-dnf9rQNZdLh_ZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@athenet.net> <yyBgg.1227$o4.833@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <pOudncFPJuj0lh7ZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com>

Tom Adkins wrote:

>  I didn't really have a choice. I misplaced the Win2K CD some time in
> the past. Windows 98 is just an emergency fix. I was literally using the
> CD as a coaster.

yes, there is a choice.....linux.
windows 9x is no longer supported & updates are no longer available.

-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 335428 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Emerson Tube Radio Volume Control Inoperative
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:55:56 -0700
Message-ID: <18414-448348DC-198@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: <E9-dnUW-GZ8-rh7ZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com>

>From Daniel R.:

>I am able to tune in some stations but 
>unable to control the volume. It is always >low.

It sounds like you are saying the volume's low and the volume control
has no effect. Is this correct?  

>I Ohm'd out the pot for the volume and it 
>looks ok, no dead spots.

But have you verified that the bottom (ground) lug of the pot actually
has continuity to the resistance element? A way to verify this is to
connect the ohmeter between the bottom lug and the wiper (middle lug)
and turn the control. The meter should show the resistance changing. It
should swing smoothly from a very low value up to the full value of the
element. 
                  Bill(oc)



From oldradio-at-wi.rr.com Mon Jun  5 00:31:17 EDT 2006
Article: 335429 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
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Not exactly although it probably would fit.

Jim 




Article: 335430 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Free to a good home near Ft Walton Beach FL
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
Message-ID: <seIgg.17504$No1.7948@attbi_s71>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:26:48 GMT

Majestic Console...  1958 grundig majestic M 72 PX comes to you complete 
with some free 45's and 78's that are still new condition records.... 

If anyone is interested in picking this one up ... send me an email
and I will send you the email address and phone number of the guy who
wants to donate it to a collector... 

email to us is   

k9uwa   aht     arrl   dought  net

John k9uwa



Article: 335431 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:28:10 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.04.21.28.10.701172@nospam.com>
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1149298786.336474.157020@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <pan.2006.06.03.04.02.06.325168@nospam.com> <9T8gg.819$o4.818@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 05:12:37 +0000, robert casey wrote:

> 
>> Note that the 35C5 is NOT in this list.  That is because it isn't
>> equivalent to the others (check a tube manual).  Here is the short list
>> for this one:
>> 
>> 6AS5		6.3V	0.8A
>> 35C5		35V	0.15A
>> 35B5 is the same as 35C5 with different pin connections.
>> 
> There's also the 11C5, 11V  0.45A, otherwise the same as the 35C5

Thanks, I hadn't heard of that one.  I bet a lot of ignorant service men
substituted 12C5s and wondered why the customer complained of longer
warm-up time.

-- 
Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz.
Then replace nospam with sacbeemail.


Article: 335432 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net>
References: <DK6gg.22929$XV5.9130@fed1read10> <5KadnTfLZP7w0R7ZnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@bresnan.com>
Subject: Re: how to remove paint from a vinyl or leatherette radio. 
Message-ID: <3zIgg.22964$XV5.7858@fed1read10>
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:47:06 -0700

The short answer,,, Denatured Alcohol removed all traces of the latex 
paint!!!

the long story is I now know why it was painted!!! Its a snake skin pattern 
under the paint... hideous to say the least,,, but the kids seem to like 
it.....


Bob in phx.
"Warren Weber" <hiview68NO SPAM@1236bresnan.net> wrote in message 
news:5KadnTfLZP7w0R7ZnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@bresnan.com...
>
> "Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net> wrote in message 
> news:DK6gg.22929$XV5.9130@fed1read10...
>> How can I remove the paint from vinyl or leatherette covered radio... It 
>> looks like it might be latex, but then again it could be oil based... any 
>> ideas....
>>
>> bob in phx
> Bob.. I just removed some paint from a leather camera case with "Fast 
> Orange" hand cleaner. Did not affect the leather at all. WW
> 




Article: 335433 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: Talk about retentive....
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:03:29 -0400
Message-ID: <4eh3luF1ej59oU1@individual.net>
References: <zOGdnWNQsvem5B_ZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <J9udnWha-t-d4R_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com> <qa-dnf9rQNZdLh_ZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@athenet.net> <yyBgg.1227$o4.833@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <pOudncFPJuj0lh7ZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <4eguedF1ed2saU1@individual.net> <1149454984.372122.25750@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Steven wrote:

> 
> Radio Rambler wrote:

> 
> Try July 6th.
> 
> You do Linux. Support has little to do with using Windows, and that's
> only Microsoft's deal.

bullshit!!
there were a plethora of critical safety updates during the 9x lifespan.
however, microsoft decided to do away with the critical updates for the
older OSs earlier this year.
in other words, without those critical patches, your PC is likely to become
oW3nd once connected to the internet.

but then again, dinius, your stupid enough to run windows in that state
anyway.

> 
> I've been using Windows since 1986, and I hear OS/2 was better than
> BOTH.

another big lie.
-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 335434 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: Talk about retentive....
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:06:50 -0400
Message-ID: <4eh3rsF1ej59oU2@individual.net>
References: <zOGdnWNQsvem5B_ZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <J9udnWha-t-d4R_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com> <qa-dnf9rQNZdLh_ZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@athenet.net> <yyBgg.1227$o4.833@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <pOudncFPJuj0lh7ZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <4eguedF1ed2saU1@individual.net> <1149455068.318694.120670@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

Steven wrote absolutely nothing of any value:

guess what dinius, you found your way into my bozo-bin (killfile)

-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 335435 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: how to remove paint from a vinyl or leatherette radio. 
References: <DK6gg.22929$XV5.9130@fed1read10> <5KadnTfLZP7w0R7ZnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@bresnan.com> <3zIgg.22964$XV5.7858@fed1read10>
Message-ID: <RCJgg.59123$QU3.3448@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:01:41 -0500

Bob in Phx wrote:
> The short answer,,, Denatured Alcohol removed all traces of the latex 
> paint!!!
> 
> the long story is I now know why it was painted!!! Its a snake skin pattern 
> under the paint... hideous to say the least,,, but the kids seem to like 
> it.....
> 
> 
> Bob in phx.
> "Warren Weber" <hiview68NO SPAM@1236bresnan.net> wrote in message 
> news:5KadnTfLZP7w0R7ZnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@bresnan.com...
>> "Bob in Phx" <rbelisle1@cox.net> wrote in message 
>> news:DK6gg.22929$XV5.9130@fed1read10...
>>> How can I remove the paint from vinyl or leatherette covered radio... It 
>>> looks like it might be latex, but then again it could be oil based... any 
>>> ideas....
>>>
>>> bob in phx
>> Bob.. I just removed some paint from a leather camera case with "Fast 
>> Orange" hand cleaner. Did not affect the leather at all. WW
>>
> 
> 
> 
I've used Simple Green and Elbow Grease, combined with a fingernail....



Article: 335436 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Yet another "Skippy" nym to killfile. :(
Message-ID: <erp68216runmr6s2ghji37iggbgenoj4mt@4ax.com>
References: <1149380592.684900.120650@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1149381204.307410.121920@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <jpl4825e4g0sa8feocnmkvmqsseqatt7ue@4ax.com> <1149408755.864489.236880@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <hth5821ivqj7ustl94gqi4cui449a2auk9@4ax.com> <4482D117.7ECE6F2F@earthlink.net> <1149439312.076189.87340@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <eog68213smu1jgpugl4cfl7g7h3u7s7sn9@4ax.com> <1149460458.150115.273070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:06:55 -0400

You can stand? Hahahahaha....without rolling away?

On 4 Jun 2006 15:34:18 -0700, "Steven"
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Beerbarrel wrote:
>> On 4 Jun 2006 09:41:52 -0700, "Steven"
>> <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> >
>> >>    The boy just doesn't get PLONK, does he? :(
>> >
>> >Plonk happens if you stop responding and actually PLONK.
>> >
>> >While you and Tracy were busy leapfrogging each other for a great
>> >insult I went over to Weiser with the neighbor lady and had a really
>> >nice time at karaoke.
>> >
>> >I also got the barbeque bottle filled and now can properly introduce
>> >carcinogens into meat (and tater tots and buns)...that gas grille was
>> >one of the best things I have bought, cost 70 dollars, and I built it
>> >myself a few Julys ago. 32,000 BTU dual burners, huge hood with three
>> >racks and better than most of my friends' gas barbeques that cost more.
>> >
>> >I still have money too.
>> >
>> >Now, plonk me and don't hit your head retracting into your shell?
>>
>>
>> That was a great insult wasn't it? You could be a poster boy for Right
>> Guard I'm sure only they would need a billboard for you.
>> __________________________________________________________
>>
>> KE4ODD
>>
>> Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
>> prove it.
>>
>>
>> *Used with express written permission of its creator.
>
>At least I can stand to pose without help.

__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
prove it. 


*Used with express written permission of its creator.


Article: 335437 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Beerbarrel <beerbarrel@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Yet another "Skippy" nym to killfile. :(
Message-ID: <k2v682lcosah9smcrdql65e12iek6sfgmt@4ax.com>
References: <jpl4825e4g0sa8feocnmkvmqsseqatt7ue@4ax.com> <1149408755.864489.236880@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <hth5821ivqj7ustl94gqi4cui449a2auk9@4ax.com> <4482D117.7ECE6F2F@earthlink.net> <1149439312.076189.87340@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <eog68213smu1jgpugl4cfl7g7h3u7s7sn9@4ax.com> <1149460458.150115.273070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <erp68216runmr6s2ghji37iggbgenoj4mt@4ax.com> <1149462536.890652.315740@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:36:56 -0400

I guess you are safe in a hurricane. 


On 4 Jun 2006 16:08:56 -0700, "Steven"
<thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Beerbarrel wrote:
>> You can stand? Hahahahaha....without rolling away?
>
>Pay for the Google satellite service and find out, 007.
>
>Killfiling is a lie.

__________________________________________________________

KE4ODD

Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to
prove it. 


*Used with express written permission of its creator.


Article: 335438 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Mike <bj_blazkowicz@cyberdude.com>
Subject: Stoneage tube?
Message-ID: <sj0782hfqda44m4s9gobjnbdpsfagj68qg@4ax.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:55:23 GMT

http://cgi.ebay.com/STRANGE-ROCK-W-EMBEDDED-MANMADE-LIKE-PART_W0QQitemZ6269877795QQihZ010QQcategoryZ413QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting


Article: 335439 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <1149448668.097719.98180@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <TwGgg.20373$8T4.10185@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>   <IFGgg.20379$8T4.11866@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>   <%NGgg.20380$8T4.24@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1149466493.300459.222930@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Is this a real Philco cabinet
Message-ID: <XpLgg.20396$8T4.19523@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:03:51 GMT


"RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1149466493.300459.222930@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>


>
> Jim,
>
> What does the MX stand for?  In my short career of collecting Philcos I
> haven't run across this acryonym in their ID's.   Thanks to you and all
> for the info.  Looks like I won that old set.   :)
>

That may be a question that Alan Douglas or Ron Ramirez may know the answer to.  I 
thought X alone meant console, and CSX was a chairside console.  MX, I don't know.  I 
just thought it was maybe a price point difference, but I think on some models 
different letters may have meant different things such as battery set, set with 
record changer, etc.  I know Philco used a lot of suffixes in the first decade, even 
more so on the Canadian sets.

Does anyone out there know for sure?  It would be nice if someone could share a 
suffix reference guide for the Philco line with all of us.

jim menning 




Article: 335440 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycapnospam.rr.com>
References: <sj0782hfqda44m4s9gobjnbdpsfagj68qg@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Stoneage tube?
Message-ID: <AULgg.9990$3B.2686@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:36:32 GMT

Ill bet a half million its a 45!

I doubt Id ever get that desperate for a 45 no matter how many end up in 
Japan!

Keith


"Mike" <bj_blazkowicz@cyberdude.com> wrote in message 
news:sj0782hfqda44m4s9gobjnbdpsfagj68qg@4ax.com...
> http://cgi.ebay.com/STRANGE-ROCK-W-EMBEDDED-MANMADE-LIKE-PART_W0QQitemZ6269877795QQihZ010QQcategoryZ413QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting 




Article: 335441 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: collectors` stories
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1148989053.597094.122450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <vOWeg.15264$Zc7.201995@wagner.videotron.net>   <1148994081.080892.264920@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1149000621.884533.117400@r44g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <g_ednXgVFNt74h7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@sigecom.net>
Message-ID: <l9Mgg.1005638$xm3.83660@attbi_s21>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:54:25 GMT

In article <g_ednXgVFNt74h7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@sigecom.net>, 
maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net says...
>
>
>at 'my' convenience.
>
>Bruce
>
>
Here its simple... Wife has two phones.. one land line and one cell phone..
Me .. I talk if she tells me that the call is for me... sometimes you knows
to tell them that I will call back. 
John k9uwa





Article: 335442 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: deal or no deal?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1149354243.441590.103530@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1149466235.672832.210290@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <NbMgg.1005642$xm3.940694@attbi_s21>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:57:01 GMT

In article <1149466235.672832.210290@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
eb062559@aol.com says...
>
>
>it is agreed.  the rca high end consoles are undervalued.  how about
>silvertone consoles?
>

just fired up an RCA 816K this evening ... bet thats the first time in
at least 25 years this one has been able to sing... amazing and I haven't
done the alignment and a lot of other stuff to it yet... just the recap
and rewire and reresistor bit is all thats done to date... and this
beast sounds excellent already!... 

John k9uwa



Article: 335443 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Phil Witt <w4imm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Stoneage tube?
Message-ID: <ka7782tfi4d4td5navlbihsdu6ptodnfo3@4ax.com>
References: <sj0782hfqda44m4s9gobjnbdpsfagj68qg@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:58:02 -0500

On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:55:23 GMT, Mike <bj_blazkowicz@cyberdude.com>
wrote:

>http://cgi.ebay.com/STRANGE-ROCK-W-EMBEDDED-MANMADE-LIKE-PART_W0QQitemZ6269877795QQihZ010QQcategoryZ413QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Reminds me of the 6E5 I found growing in my flower bed. Or was it a
1629?


Article: 335444 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Gordon Richmond <richmond@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: deal or no deal?
Message-ID: <31f782prlal6b85scu4kdkamudl1vl13kg@4ax.com>
References: <1149354243.441590.103530@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <uYqdnZ3am8pQWhzZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com> <1149356840.193944.67050@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1149373672.650075.117790@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0p7682tp54o53e5mv7m67vh9958nmlk3qd@4ax.com> <1149466492.367125.209240@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 05:12:49 GMT

>
>Gordon Richmond wrote:
>
>> Speaking of '30s RCAs, I spotted a model C-15 console at an antique store yesterday. Looks
>> like a 12-tuber with eye tube, and both the dial/knob area AND the speaker grille live
>> behind cabinet doors like on a China cabinet.
>>
>> Seems to be a well-made set, but the finish would need to be re-done. The dial glass is
>> real murky, but intact.
>>
>> Any idea what it'd be worth?
>>
>> Gordon Richmond
>
>i wouldn't hestitate to go 150-200 for a good example locally.  maybe
>more. extremely undervalued if you are looking for a good performing
>set. plus it doesn't have the incredible shinking plastic dial trim
>found on many RCA's. in other words, i would be on it like black ants
>on a milkshake straw.


Seller wants $245 for it. Other than it's apparently missing one 6F6 and one 6C5, it looks
pretty darn complete.

Funny, the style of it doesn't do much for me, and I agree the doors are somewhat
off-putting. It looks sort of transitional between the ornate early '30s consoles, and the
more streamlined Machine Age or "deco" consoles of the late '30s.

In any case it's miles away from me, but the next time I pass that way, I'll try the
seller on with an offer. He has a nifty Rockola jukebox, too, and a few small radios.

Gordon Richmond


Article: 335445 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <448404fb$0$31648$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
References: <1149295644.081050.123880@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   <Usngg.4049$ED2.807@bignews2.bellsouth.net>   <1149383900.708531.62510@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <jbyrns-0406060006500001@216-80-74-240.d.enteract.com>   <1149420511.693705.311320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <4482CF6E.2575F17F@earthlink.net> <1149465039.652201.308590@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Date: 05 Jun 2006 10:18:35 GMT

Gerry <gerryu21220@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't doubt you in that V-M made 90 VAC motors.  At the moment, I
> can't put the original changer back in.  I'm using it as a stand-alone
> turntable at work.  I installed a nice Sonotone 8T cartridge in it, and
> it works great with an old Panasonic reciever with 8-track.
> (Quadraphonic!  I had no idea there even was such a thing as a
> four-channel Quad 8-track.)  As I said previously, I've used both
> changers as stand-alone units.  This one is clearly marked "115V-60C
> Dec 13, 1957" and I'm 99.9% certain the original is as well.  It's
> running just fine on regular 120V.  If the motor were indeed 90V,
> wouldn't I have problems with the speed - or worse?  I'm just curious,
> as I have three with the identical motors, and all work just fine on
> 120V.  They are the type with the idler wheel with the turret, and the
> motor itself moves up and down to change speeds.

More important question, where is the heater string connected to? Did you 
take voltage measurements across the heaters already? Over here in the 
Netherlands we have an ancient saying "meten is weten", to be translated: 
"measuring leads to knowledge".

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 335446 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "YourChance" <best4life@best4life.com>
Subject: 30 Days, 23,000 Dollars! Here's How You Can Do It Too! H=
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:50:05 +0300
Message-ID: <447deb80@news.incirlik.net>

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$9.00 to $23,000 in 30 days!

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   all the others (2 - 6) up one number;
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>From PayPal:

"Dear Member,

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. . .

REQUIREMENTS
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2. A PayPal Premier or Business account. (It's simple and free to get a
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Now follow the steps: 1-4
________________________________________

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Make sure the subject of the payment says *PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR E-MAIL
LIST* (this keeps the program 100% legal. So please don't forget!)


#1)  vivalentine@fsmail.net
#2)  alwaysyoung2k@yahoo.co.uk
#3)  m.blueberry@hotmail.com
#4)  thesilverfox79@hotmail.com
#5)  tmj-@hotmail.com
#6)  angrykitty@hush.com


Remember, all of this is legal! You are creating an e-mail list service
business. If you have any doubts, please refer to Title 18
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STEP 3 - Adding Your e-mail address.

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move the other addresses up one place (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3,
3 becomes 2, 2 becomes 1, your e-mail address becomes 6) put YOUR email
address (the one used in your PayPal account) as 6th on the list.

**MAKE SURE THE E-MAIL ADDRESS YOU SUPPLY IS EXACTLY AS IT
APPEARS IN YOUR PAYPAL ACCOUNT.**

STEP 4 - Copy the message to newsgroups, message boards, etc

You are now ready to post your copy of this message to at least 200
newsgroups, message boards, etc. (there are currently more than fifty-eight
thousand newsgroups).

All you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you
make - as well as everyone else on the list! In this situation, your job
is to let as many people see this letter as possible.  You can even start
posting the moment your e-mail is confirmed. Payments will still appear
in your PayPal account even while your bank account is being confirmed.

HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS & MESSAGE BOARDS

Step 1: You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag
your CURSOR to the bottom of this document, and select 'copy' from the edit
menu. This will copy the entire letter into your computer's temporary memory.

Step 2: Open a blank Notepad file and place your cursor at the top of the
blank page. From the Edit menu select Paste. This will paste a copy of the
letter into Notepad so you can add your e-mail address to the list. Or copy
it to a Word document and place in the e-mail on completion.

Step 3: Save your new Notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do your
postings in different sittings, you'll always have this file to go back to.

Step 4: Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various
newsgroups, on-line forums, message boards, bulletin boards, chat sites,
discussions, discussion groups, online communities, etc. Example: go to any
search engine like Yahoo.com, Google.com, AltaVista.com, Excite.com and
search with subjects like: millionaire message board, money-making message
board, opportunity message board, money-making discussions, business
bulletin board or money making forum, etc. You will find thousands of
message boards. Click them one by one and you will find the option to post
a new message.

Step 5: Take a look at these message boards and post this article as a new
message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting 'Paste' from
the 'Edit' menu. Fill in the Subject. This will be the header everyone sees
as they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click
the post message button. You're done with your first one!

Congratulations! THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
newsgroups and post away.  After you get the hang of it, it will take about
30 seconds for each newsgroup!

REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS AND/OR MESSAGE BOARDS YOU POST IN,
THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF
200** That's it! You will begin receiving money within days!
**JUST MAKE SURE THE E-MAIL ADDRESS YOU SUPPLY IS EXACTLY AS IT
APPEARS ON PAYPAL.**

Why it works so well:

Out of 200 postings, say I receive only five replies (a very conservative
estimate). So then I made $7.50 with my e-mail address at number 6 on the
letter. Now, each of the five people who just sent me $1.50 make the MINIMUM
200 postings, each with my e-mail address 5th and only five people respond
to each of the original five, that is another $37.50 for me, now those 25
each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my e-mail address in 4th place and only
five replies each, I will bring in an additional $187.50! Now, those 125
people post the MINIMUM 200 with my e-mail address in 3rd and only receive
five replies each, I will make an additional $1,387.50! OK, now here is the
fun part. Each of those 625 people post a MINIMUM of 200 letters with my
e-mail address in 2nd place and they only receive five replies: that just
made me $4,687.50! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to
200 newsgroups with my e-mail address at number 1 and if still only five
people per 200 newsgroups react, I will receive $23,437.50! With an original
investment of only $9.00!

AMAZING!! When your e-mail address is no longer on the list, you just take
the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out only another $9.00 to
addresses on the list, putting your address at number 6 again. And start
posting again.

The thing to remember is, thousands of people all over the world are
connecting to the Internet and reading these articles every day, JUST LIKE
YOU are now!! So can you afford $9 to see if it really works?? I think so.

Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. As long as people
follow through with sending out only a trifling $9, it works!








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Article: 335447 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Mr. Fisher 500c is Back
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:30:48 -0700
Message-ID: <bvf882dnu30ivikd02m9qto1jl54lqe3ok@4ax.com>
References: <1149434064.589660.121600@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <6062-44830408-550@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>   <euKdna4HHJh9OR7ZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149510359.796538.208230@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <vICdney9e7sFqBnZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@comcast.com>

On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 06:46:02 -0700, "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>"CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote in message 
>news:1149510359.796538.208230@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>> graham- that's how big your brain is- a gram
>
>... two words, one a name , one a noun, they
>     are spelled and pronounced differently..
>
>... I don't understand the connection ... <snip>

There is none.  Don't forget, Charlie Nudo's brain is saturated with
mercury and other toxins from breathing fumes from the Centralia, PA
coal fire all his life.


Article: 335448 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: "graham" post history- nothing but constant FS/FA flames
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:32:47 -0700
Message-ID: <k3g88291j7dlq5c7044escndbkbrq9f72t@4ax.com>
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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 06:52:27 -0700, "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net>
wrote:

>... that is true, I am not tech person and I don't
>    pretend to be, do you? <snip>

The answer here is yes, and he's a petty thief and con artist to boot.


Article: 335449 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Nudo lies again...junk consoles reappear on Audiogon
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:36:54 -0700
Message-ID: <59g8825qe5kfr93irh3josuamahu54qt47@4ax.com>

Remeber those junk consoles that Noodles said he "sold?"  He
lied...again...as usual.  They're back on Audiogon, after his ads
mysteriously disappeared.  Also, note his feedback...ZERO.  That
Fisher 500C NEVER SOLD.  I'm sure it'll turn up somewhere else soon.

Now you know why I've been trying to put this 'tard out of business
for so long.


Article: 335450 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Nudo lies again...junk consoles reappear on Audiogon
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:49:58 -0700
Message-ID: <mkk882dvpern77fepivs38eiiq7qujopje@4ax.com>
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On 5 Jun 2006 07:59:12 -0700, "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Do you have a life? <snip>

Do you?  Most hams don't.


Article: 335451 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Nudo lies again...junk consoles reappear on Audiogon
References: <59g8825qe5kfr93irh3josuamahu54qt47@4ax.com>   <1149519552.412613.35920@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1149522689.973538.33930@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <ZHYgg.8344$G95.8076@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:10:33 GMT

Steven wrote:

[ snip ]

Ya know Skippy, you're like a fly. You just buzz around and have to
stop and sample every piece of crap you come across and add to it.

Jeff

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 335452 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <sj0782hfqda44m4s9gobjnbdpsfagj68qg@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Stoneage tube?
Message-ID: <UzZgg.5169$9f2.4595@trnddc04>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:10:12 GMT

I don't know -- the $500,000.00 price seems fair enough, but to pay extra 
for the CD -- I think I'll pass.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com



"Mike" <bj_blazkowicz@cyberdude.com> wrote in message 
news:sj0782hfqda44m4s9gobjnbdpsfagj68qg@4ax.com...
> http://cgi.ebay.com/STRANGE-ROCK-W-EMBEDDED-MANMADE-LIKE-PART_W0QQitemZ6269877795QQihZ010QQcategoryZ413QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting 




Article: 335453 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bill Morris" <zac@mw.net>
Subject: Anyone have a junk Motorola A1 or 5A1 portable?
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:44:18 -0400
Message-ID: <44847b81$0$1008$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>

Need one to build a project. Must have the original knobs.

Pls contact me at batterymaker at gmail dot com.

Bill




Article: 335454 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FS: super nice RCA Victor stereo console-original owner retirement sale
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:58:52 -0700
Message-ID: <plv882d7q0a7a6h1aj344egebj28l7kv1d@4ax.com>
References: <1149532758.322077.156320@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

On 5 Jun 2006 11:39:18 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?vintelec&1154693335&view&1149532663
>
>this is one cherry piece of furniture- was dusted and waxed monthly for
>the last 40+ years- it is solid state and was being used as living room
>furniture until YESTERDAY- carefully transported- check pictures <snip>

Remember this?  One of the consoles that were supposedly "sold?"  The
ads were pulled.  This guy's so deluded he doesn't even know when he's
lying anymore.


Article: 335455 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim Mueller <wrongname@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: Can I substitute a 50C5 for a 25C5 Tube?
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:29:19 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.05.19.29.18.787704@nospam.com>
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:31:37 +0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> Gerry wrote:
>> 
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> 
>> > V-M made a lot of different versions of the same basic turntable for
>> > decades.  They did use both 120 VAC and 90 VAC motors.  Hook the old
>> > motor up and test the warmup time.  Its fairly easy to excjhange the
>> > motors, or just the feild coils.
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> I don't doubt you in that V-M made 90 VAC motors.  At the moment, I
>> can't put the original changer back in.  I'm using it as a stand-alone
>> turntable at work.  I installed a nice Sonotone 8T cartridge in it, and
>> it works great with an old Panasonic reciever with 8-track.
>> (Quadraphonic!  I had no idea there even was such a thing as a
>> four-channel Quad 8-track.)  As I said previously, I've used both
>> changers as stand-alone units.  This one is clearly marked "115V-60C
>> Dec 13, 1957" and I'm 99.9% certain the original is as well.  It's
>> running just fine on regular 120V.  If the motor were indeed 90V,
>> wouldn't I have problems with the speed - or worse?  I'm just curious,
>> as I have three with the identical motors, and all work just fine on
>> 120V.  They are the type with the idler wheel with the turret, and the
>> motor itself moves up and down to change speeds.
>> 
>> Anyway - back to the fidelity issue:  Would adding a tweeter (or
>> dual-cone speaker, or a capacitor between the existing speakers) be
>> enough to get more of the high frequencies?  And even if one of those
>> options is possible, how can I determine what ohm speakers to use?
>> There's no schematic, nor are the original speakers marked.  I would
>> normally just disconnect them and connect another and try it out, but
>> these buggers are soldered in.  I suppose I could desolder them and add
>> regular slip-on clips...
>> 
>> Suggestions?
>> 
>> Gerry
> 
> 
>    They are impedance protected but they will overheat and burn up, in
> time.  The speed is locked to the AC line frequency.

If you got the machine used, one possibility is that a previous owner
replaced the changer or motor and used the wrong type.  After this didn't
fix the original symptoms or caused new ones they decided to get rid
of it.  That's where you came in.  Just speculation, but we've all seen
examples of previous incompetent repair work.  Never assume that something
is right just because that's how it was when you got it!

You can get a pretty good idea of a speaker's impedance by measuring it's
DC resistance and increasing it a little.  For example, an 8 ohm speaker
will measure about 6 to 7 ohms on an ohmmeter.  For low cost (and even a
lot of not-so-low-cost) American made tube equipment, 3.2 ohms was almost
universal.  If you have two speakers in parallel, that means the output
transformer probably matches 1.6 ohms.

The small speakers used in cheap radios and phonographs deliberately
rolled off both the low and high frequency response.  The low end was cut
to eliminate 60Hz hum from the poorly filtered power supply.  The high end
was sacrificed to eliminate the 10KHz (9KHz in Europe) beat between radio
stations on adjacent channels.  Even though the latter doesn't apply to
record players, manufacturer's weren't going to get special speakers for
units intended for people who didn't care about the sound anyhow.  (Those
who did care about the sound bought more expensive, frequently console,
sets.)  So you can't get more high frequencies by putting a capacitor in
series with an existing speaker.  If the speaker can't do it, you can't
get it. This could, however, make the sound appear to be higher but what
is really happening is that you would be getting less of the low notes and
it would just sound higher by comparison.

All phonographs that were complete in one cabinet were designed
(intentionally or not) as a system.  It is difficult to prevent vibration
>from the speaker from getting into the stylus and going 'round again. 
This is called acoustic feedback and it muddies the sound.  If the gain is
high enough it causes oscillation, just like getting the microphone of
a PA system too close to the speaker.  The designers dealt with this in
various manners such as adjusting the frequency response of the
amplifier/speaker combination, vibration isolation or damping, or cabinet
structure.  If you change the amplifier and speakers and modify the
cabinet of your unit, you may run into a similar problem.  This doesn't
mean it can't be done, it's just a potential problem to watch out for.

Also, get comfortable soldering.  If you stay in this hobby you will be
doing a lot of it!

-- 
Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com

To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz.
Then replace nospam with sacbeemail.


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Hi,

>> What does the MX stand for? 

   I thought X meant an inclined baffle board, but I don't know about
M.

Alan


Article: 335457 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Removing paint from grille cloth
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <z8Ugg.3320$Tk5.163826@weber.videotron.net>
Message-ID: <Nb1hg.1006651$xm3.910169@attbi_s21>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:17:33 GMT

In article <z8Ugg.3320$Tk5.163826@weber.videotron.net>, 
eric_belanger@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>I have a nice Philco 87 highboy, the onw with a tapestry grille cloth. The
>
>Eric
>
>
buy a new correct grillecloth  yes a correct one available from John
at www.grillecloth.com

John k9uwa



Article: 335458 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: OT Gold Embossing on Record Storage Albums-
References: <WLmdnd22stG-OxnZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@sigecom.net>
Message-ID: <RI1hg.5132$ED2.2968@bignews2.bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:53:27 -0500

Bruce Mercer wrote:
> Does anybody know a techinique to enhance the gold embossing on record 
> storage albums that have either faded, been 'cleaned' almost off, or just 
> faded' ?
> I am restoring a set of four and they have elaborate embossing, each with a 
> varying degree of gold retention since they all came from different places. 
> I don't care how tedious it is, just if it can be done and how. Any ideas, 
> pointers are appreciated.
> 
> Bruce 
> 
> 
> 
It was originally done with a machine that used heat to impress the 
image.  The media is a high-temp plastic 'tape' with the gold material 
in a powdered form on one side.  A stamp is inserted in the machine, 
heated, and then pressed onto the label to form the image (and the 
impression).

I used to have an embossing machine for making advertising novelties and 
personalized match book covers.  That was 35 years ago, but I've seen 
them since.  I'll bet the embossing media is still available.  One could 
use that with a soldering iron or other source of heat to touch up the 
image.

jak



Article: 335459 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <4484B3A5.4851DB0@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT Gold Embossing on Record Storage Albums-
References: <WLmdnd22stG-OxnZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@sigecom.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:44:09 GMT

Bruce Mercer wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know a techinique to enhance the gold embossing on record
> storage albums that have either faded, been 'cleaned' almost off, or just
> faded' ?
> I am restoring a set of four and they have elaborate embossing, each with a
> varying degree of gold retention since they all came from different places.
> I don't care how tedious it is, just if it can be done and how. Any ideas,
> pointers are appreciated.
> 
> Bruce


   I used to use gold embossing film to repair the lettering on library
books, and to put the dewy decimal number on the spine in my Jr. High
school library back in the mid '60s.  They used an old wood burning iron
with a thin tip to melt the color off the film and onto the book covers.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 335460 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: Re: deal or no deal?
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:24:25 +0200
Message-ID: <e62efa$9go$03$1@news.t-online.com>
References: <1149354243.441590.103530@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  <17247-448281E6-397@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> <1149529550.500643.144690@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>


toxcrusadr wrote:

> Ken G. wrote:
> > Undervalued .. Geman made table radios . They outsound almost any
other
> > table radio.
>
> I wanted to mention that Eddie's great discussion earlier in the
thread
> left out Philips.  I don't know how common they are over here, but I
> have a big table set (Capella 643, ca. 1955).  I think it has 11
tubes
> and 4 speakers.  I'm looking forward to working on it some time.
> Blonde cabinet, big dial with AM-FM-SW including all the Euro cities
on
> the dial.   Paid $12.50 for it at auction.  That particular sale was
> deffly undervalued just from looking at the thing.

The Philips top models are really state-of-the-art.
Yours has 2xEL84 single ended, bi-amplifying bass and treble.
Don't forget to recap ... full of black Wima beauties.

Take a look at the models with 2xEL86 push-pull w/o OT,
but 800-Ohm speakers.

The highest class is the model without built-in speakers:
One BIG bass-reflex corner speaker, two satelite speakers for treble.

Also their later Philetta bakelite models are famous for their size,
the Americans would love them ... all are AC/DC powered ;-)

Kind Regards,
Georg




Article: 335461 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Ron H" <rnharsh@nospam.net>
References: <25401-4481B0C9-178@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Congress May Screw Up Your HD Picture
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:21:35 -0500
Message-ID: <4484beba$0$27173$8d2e0cab@news.newsgroup-binaries.com>

Who gives a rip? Nothing on TV is worthy of high def.... maybe congress
should mandate content quality rather than picture quailty.  The whole HDTV
BS is a ploy to move the broadcast TV up into the GHz spectrum and vacate
the VHF-UHF spectrum so it can be auctioned off for billions!


Ron H.


<cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> The article is at    www.tvpredictions.com
> if y'all want to check it out.
> cuhulin
>


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Article: 335462 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Congress May Screw Up Your HD Picture
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:45:25 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.06.00.45.22.149021@yahoo.com>
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:26:42 -0700,
William Sommerwerck wrote:

>> Who gives a rip? Nothing on TV is worthy of high def...
> 
> I assume you mean commercial, broadcast TV.
> 
> 
>> Maybe Congress should mandate content quality rather than picture
>> quailty.
> 
> You mean, specify that all programs adhere to a Fundamentalist point of
> view?
> 
> 
>> The whole HDTV BS is a ploy to move the broadcast TV up into the GHz
>> spectrum and vacate the VHF-UHF spectrum so it can be auctioned off for
>> billions!
> 
> Well, that's part of it...

This discussion raises an interesting question.  As I sit here reading
through an antique radio news group and planning my next restorations, I
am listening to a Sirius jazz channel now and will be switching to NPR
on my Bose radio in a few minutes.  Does anyone actually listen to their
restored radios without adding a transmitter connected to some useful
source of programming?  Or do the radios largely sit on the shelf after
they are completed as mine do?  At least we have an NPR station here on
a.m. that can give the old radios some opportunities to be used, but other
than that it's pretty bleak unless you happen to love call-in talk shows,
which I don't.


-- 
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Article: 335463 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <WLmdnd22stG-OxnZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: OT Gold Embossing on Record Storage Albums-
Message-ID: <Ja5hg.5247$9f2.1866@trnddc04>
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 01:49:29 GMT

I might be off base, I don't know, but have you thought about a gold pen?

You can find silver and gold pens in any drug store or Wal-Mart.  I don't 
use Gold very often, but I indeed use silver.  A lot of car radios have 
silver trim around the dial; early 70's Mopars are a good example.  My 64 
Thunderbird has all of the speedometer numbers outlined in silver; mine were 
worn off and I had quite an evening going over the numbers with a silver 
pen -- 8 years later it still looks great.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com



"Bruce Mercer" <maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net> wrote in message 
news:WLmdnd22stG-OxnZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@sigecom.net...
> Does anybody know a techinique to enhance the gold embossing on record 
> storage albums that have either faded, been 'cleaned' almost off, or just 
> faded' ?
> I am restoring a set of four and they have elaborate embossing, each with 
> a varying degree of gold retention since they all came from different 
> places. I don't care how tedious it is, just if it can be done and how. 
> Any ideas, pointers are appreciated.
>
> Bruce
> 




Article: 335464 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Phil Witt <w4imm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Stoneage tube?
Message-ID: <vfr982dnpqpoh9kbkukhhtgrn47jp0b77q@4ax.com>
References: <sj0782hfqda44m4s9gobjnbdpsfagj68qg@4ax.com> <ka7782tfi4d4td5navlbihsdu6ptodnfo3@4ax.com> <xrNgg.13782$3e2.166789@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:53:53 -0500

On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:24:12 -0400, "Syl" <personne@perdu.com> wrote:

>
>"Phil Witt" <w4imm@mindspring.com> wrote in message 
>news:ka7782tfi4d4td5navlbihsdu6ptodnfo3@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:55:23 GMT, Mike <bj_blazkowicz@cyberdude.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/STRANGE-ROCK-W-EMBEDDED-MANMADE-LIKE-PART_W0QQitemZ6269877795QQihZ010QQcategoryZ413QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
>>
>> Reminds me of the 6E5 I found growing in my flower bed. Or was it a
>> 1629?
>
>Strange, I thought it was Bill Turner who had one growing in his garden...
>
>Syl 


Naw. Bill's was in the snow. I'll look for mine and post it in the
binaries if I find it.



Article: 335465 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Phil Witt <w4imm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: You can get a great deal on eBay...
Message-ID: <tlt982h00rigkvnbpeg5sr2p7iqkfviv94@4ax.com>
References: <j7GdnY2TL_6dUxnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149559259.860458.22990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:32:10 -0500

On 5 Jun 2006 19:00:59 -0700, feldtm@msn.com wrote:

>And this has what to do with antique radios and phonos?

Guess it means you can get a good deal on a radio, too. My wife has a
cute little International Kadette....I keep wanting to call it an Opal
Kadette....on eBay right now. Dirt cheap. 


Article: 335466 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (2) #80 Sylvania full wave rectifier tubes-$10
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:43:44 -0700
Message-ID: <8eu982d9fralooeufa4f3b1oa6ol8079f2@4ax.com>
References: <1149505784.542694.176510@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <kZadnbgoHeA5PhnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com> <1149543668.242919.319210@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <O6adnU4avL0DO4ejnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>

On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:33:21 -0400, "Ken Doyle"
<kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Oh I see, this is a FA post without FA in the header.
>No thanks, I'll buy from someone that cares about his fellow man's quality
>of life.
>
>Ken D. <snip>

Good call.  As can be seen by this asshole's history under as many as
ten different email accounts on Google Groups, he couldn't care less
about anyone else but himself.


Article: 335467 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: super nice RCA Victor stereo console-original owner retirement sale
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:41:36 -0700
Message-ID: <jau982hbeu755ecrb9ssv6ussf7pfqtj3g@4ax.com>
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On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:56:04 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

>Waxy yellow build-up -- WAXY YELLOW BUILDUP! <snip>

BUT....the whole cabinet functions as a giant wax capacitor!


Article: 335468 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Singer/Gertson gennie from fraudBayer
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:01:20 -0700
Message-ID: <abv9825daog0hfsqc7kjvun2v10iuocvg4@4ax.com>

Here's a rare bird I haven't seen in decades, and a good one in its
day.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9736991831&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1

Too bad it's being offered by yet another unintelligent moron on
fraudBay.  Check out "unit works fine," but "as-is, no refunds," and
"can be moded (??) to work on FM."  Obviously, this goof wouldn't know
a gennie if it him him/her/it in the butt.  If it were working AND
with the manual AND cheaper, an interesting piece to have on the
bench...although I'll stick with my 2016A!


Article: 335469 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Arthur Dent" <igtowner@cox.net>
References: <WLmdnd22stG-OxnZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: OT Gold Embossing on Record Storage Albums-
Message-ID: <Xy7hg.93016$TK1.28203@fed1read06>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:31:54 -0700

The blank Ampex reel to reel tapes I used to buy years ago,
came with a strip of gold on paper or plastic, that was used
to label the spine of the tape box.
Maybe, you could find one of those at a thrift store or swap meet.
Glen

"Bruce Mercer" <maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net> wrote in message 
news:WLmdnd22stG-OxnZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@sigecom.net...
> Does anybody know a techinique to enhance the gold embossing on record 
> storage albums that have either faded, been 'cleaned' almost off, or just 
> faded' ?
> I am restoring a set of four and they have elaborate embossing, each with 
> a varying degree of gold retention since they all came from different 
> places. I don't care how tedious it is, just if it can be done and how. 
> Any ideas, pointers are appreciated.
>
> Bruce
> 




Article: 335470 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gerald D. Pine" <gdpine@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Congress May Screw Up Your HD Picture
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:19:31 -0700
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.06.05.19.27.935436@yahoo.com>
References: <25401-4481B0C9-178@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> <4484beba$0$27173$8d2e0cab@news.newsgroup-binaries.com> <Q-ednVhmc-VSVhnZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com> <pan.2006.06.06.00.45.22.149021@yahoo.com> <1149570154.994986.289910@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>

On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:02:35 -0700, Steven wrote:

> 
> Gerald D. Pine wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:26:42 -0700,
>> William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>
>> >> Who gives a rip? Nothing on TV is worthy of high def...
>> >
>> > I assume you mean commercial, broadcast TV.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Maybe Congress should mandate content quality rather than picture
>> >> quailty.
>> >
>> > You mean, specify that all programs adhere to a Fundamentalist point
>> > of view?
>> >
>> >
>> >> The whole HDTV BS is a ploy to move the broadcast TV up into the GHz
>> >> spectrum and vacate the VHF-UHF spectrum so it can be auctioned off
>> >> for billions!
>> >
>> > Well, that's part of it...
>>
>> This discussion raises an interesting question.  As I sit here reading
>> through an antique radio news group and planning my next restorations, I
>> am listening to a Sirius jazz channel now and will be switching to NPR
>> on my Bose radio in a few minutes.  Does anyone actually listen to their
>> restored radios without adding a transmitter connected to some useful
>> source of programming?  Or do the radios largely sit on the shelf after
>> they are completed as mine do?  At least we have an NPR station here on
>> a.m. that can give the old radios some opportunities to be used, but
>> other than that it's pretty bleak unless you happen to love call-in talk
>> shows, which I don't.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> 
> I have 890 KDJQ and 1380 KSRV playing great oldies in two flavors. 1380
> "The Cruise" plays the standard classic oldies and 89 DJQ favors ALL the
> oldies including the "plan B", "lost" variety and lots of R&B/soul
> classics. There are Christian, classic country style Christian, classic
> country, American standards, and another 1kw oldies station at 1490, ALL
> on AM in this valley. Of course I have no need for a transmitter, and I
> love that!

You are in a good position.  I used to be able to listen to an oldies
station in Chicago that had lots of 40's music and Chuck Shaden and Stan
Freburg for old-time radio shows.  Then they changed the format of the
music station (to what I don't remember except that I never listened to
it).  Chuck Shaden changed to a different station on fm as I recall and
then only maybe once a week.  That left Stan Freeburg.  Here in Tucson
where I now live, there just isn't much of anything.  However, Sirius has
an old-time radio shows station as well as other non-oldies music and
sports that I like.  Radio is pretty much of a waste land on am except for
a local NPR station.  Sigh!!

-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com



Article: 335471 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: You can get a great deal on eBay...
References: <j7GdnY2TL_6dUxnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1149559259.860458.22990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <tlt982h00rigkvnbpeg5sr2p7iqkfviv94@4ax.com> <1149569270.942480.144320@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <hY8hg.1301$Ah.758@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:07:09 GMT

Steven wrote:

> I'm 40 in three weeks.

Great, so we're all taking bets then on prostate cancer, heart
attack or a stroke. Time, the great equalizer....

Jeff

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Article: 335472 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: (2) #80 Sylvania full wave rectifier tubes-$10
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:08:04 +0900
Message-ID: <e63giq$677$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <1149505784.542694.176510@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <kZadnbgoHeA5PhnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com> <1149543668.242919.319210@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>


"CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote in message 
news:1149543668.242919.319210@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ken Doyle wrote:
>> I assume these are for sale (FS)?
>> I'll take them.
>> Where do I send the check?
>>
>> Ken D.
>>
>> "CAINE" wrote:
>>
>> > recently picked up a box of tubes from a collector, will be listing
>> > them by part number
>> >
>
> you can send the check here, after you realize I don't subscribe to
> outdated netiquette, and also after you win the auction
>

Etiquette, whether in person or on the net, is not outdated. It's just being 
ignored by the ever-growing number of people who don't give a shit about 
anyone but themselves or anything but their own narrow self interests.





Article: 335473 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (2) #80 Sylvania full wave rectifier tubes-$10
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:08:54 -0700
Message-ID: <dhva82hg6kbigsnp7sdil7f16pa2kth4nk@4ax.com>
References: <1149505784.542694.176510@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <kZadnbgoHeA5PhnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com> <1149543668.242919.319210@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <e63giq$677$1@news2.kornet.net> <1149592611.827867.266090@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 6 Jun 2006 04:16:51 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>The most important part of etiquette, is NOT being so rude as to force
>your etiquette on others. <snip>

Noodles' idea of "etiquette":  I can be an asshole, but you can't.
It's the mantra of the right wingers.  They become paranoid when you
start being an asshole right back at them...they don't know what to
do.


Article: 335474 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FS: super nice RCA Victor stereo console-original owner retirement sale
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:10:54 -0700
Message-ID: <hjva82d2jp4d70fqds62393fil83va922f@4ax.com>
References: <1149532758.322077.156320@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <plv882d7q0a7a6h1aj344egebj28l7kv1d@4ax.com> <1149536535.869267.3100@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1149543612.091715.311230@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <vuedncX8RKWbeRnZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149592979.619808.123210@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 6 Jun 2006 04:22:59 -0700, "CAINE" <bb69@epix.net> wrote:

>you forgot these:
>
>Fisher 500c <snip>

Never sold

>(3) 8-track car decks <snip>

Who cares?

>(450) 8-track tapes <snip>

Who cares?

>Marconi tube amp-tuner-turntable <snip>

Junk...never sold

>add about $850, "gram".... <snip>

More lies.  This ass was boasting how he was making $3000/month last
year on fraudBay auctions.  I forwarded that to the IRS when I ratted
him out for Federal tax evasion.


Article: 335475 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
Subject: Newsgroup freezes
Message-ID: <gMhhg.3729$PY6.2838@trnddc05>
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:08:44 GMT

This might be a little OT, but I'm reminded of it whenever I read this 
newsgroup.

Lately I've had a problem reading Usenet messages.  As you well know, I've 
switched from Earthlink to Verizon because of a problem that Earthlink still 
has yet to fix.  However because of the website I have yet to turn off 
Earthlink.

Quite often when I go to RAR+P, I'll begin reading the latest messages --  
such as Caine and Desertbob duking it out.  After about the third message, 
the system seems to "freeze"; in other words it seems to have trouble 
reading the next message.  After 60 seconds I get an error message.  However 
if I click on a different message, select stop, then click on the message 
again, it usually brings it up right away.  It does it with Outlook using 
Verizon, and it also does it with XNews which, at the moment, is still 
accessing Earthlink.  it doesn't appear to be a network problem with either; 
rather something internal on the computer that keeps it from reading certain 
messages.

Any clues?


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 335476 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "David D. Berkowitz" <ddb@berkowitzguitars.com>
References: <Tkpfg.13072$lN5.126@trnddc04> <1149219789.097500.193090@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <iNWfg.1002021$xm3.362813@attbi_s21>
Subject: Re: Capehart 410M
Message-ID: <KFihg.6453$Id2.3830@trnddc03>
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:10:02 GMT


"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message 
news:iNWfg.1002021$xm3.362813@attbi_s21...
> In article <1149219789.097500.193090@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> JMElfelt@aol.com says...
>>
>>
>>
>>David D. Berkowitz wrote:
>>> Anyone know where I can get parts for a Capehart 410.  I need the radio 
>>> for
>>> the case I got.
>>>
>>> --db
>>
>>
>>Do you know if your Capehart 410 cabinet is compatible with the guts of
>>a Capehart 414?  Somewhere deep in the jungle formerly known as my
>>garage I have most of the radio components for a 414 that was parted
>>out some years ago.  No turntable, speaker, or tubes, but both chassis,
>>the dial, and the knobs should be there.  If any of that will work,
>>give me a holler.
>>
>>Jim Elfelt
>>Amarillo, TX
>>
> I posted pictures of a Capehart Panamuse 413 to the binary newsgroup for
> comparison to the 410 and 414 ...
> John k9uwa
>

how do I get to the binary newsgroup?

All the best,

David 




Article: 335477 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <gMhhg.3729$PY6.2838@trnddc05> <1149614388.025650.256360@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Newsgroup freezes
Message-ID: <C9khg.6137$im3.1766@trnddc01>
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:52:18 GMT

Steven,

Regarding the 6/6/06 thing, the problem didn't begin today; it's been doing 
it for awhile.  However being the date that it is, I ran a virus check 
(McAfee) and SpySweeper both before doing much of anything else.

Another quick note -- how many of you remember this is also D-Day?  It also 
had the 6-6-6 connotation, having begun at the 6th hour of the 6th day of 
the 6th month.

The only thing weird that's happened so far today -- I subscribe to two 
Thunderbird mailing lists, and I got two separate "digests" (which normally 
contain 25 messages each) that were blank.  The only other thing, my wife 
got a call today -- the job she applied for 9 months ago was just accepted. 
They had to do a full background check for her security clearance.  She will 
be starting in a couple of weeks, working for a federal judge.

As for the flames and bickering on the newsgroup, it's getting fun and I'm 
starting to look forward to it.  Kinda reminds me of the last time I took a 
cruise to Mexico -- the couple in the cabin next to us were fighting, making 
noise.  My wife was complaining -- I told her to grab a cup and put it 
against the wall next to her ear.  Next thing you know we were both 
listening in and having a good laugh!

Reminds me of the old time radio show, "The Bickersons."



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1149614388.025650.256360@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Gary Tayman wrote:
>> This might be a little OT, but I'm reminded of it whenever I read this
>> newsgroup.
>>
>> Lately I've had a problem reading Usenet messages.  As you well know, 
>> I've
>> switched from Earthlink to Verizon because of a problem that Earthlink 
>> still
>> has yet to fix.  However because of the website I have yet to turn off
>> Earthlink.
>>
>> Quite often when I go to RAR+P, I'll begin reading the latest messages --
>> such as Caine and Desertbob duking it out.  After about the third 
>> message,
>> the system seems to "freeze"; in other words it seems to have trouble
>> reading the next message.  After 60 seconds I get an error message. 
>> However
>> if I click on a different message, select stop, then click on the message
>> again, it usually brings it up right away.  It does it with Outlook using
>> Verizon, and it also does it with XNews which, at the moment, is still
>> accessing Earthlink.  it doesn't appear to be a network problem with 
>> either;
>> rather something internal on the computer that keeps it from reading 
>> certain
>> messages.
>>
>> Any clues?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
>> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
>> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
> That means your request is timing out. It doesn't do that on Google, so
> I suspect monkey business.
>
> Seeing as that silly 6/6/6 date thing is here and nobody got scabies
> yet, maybe you should tighten up your firewall controls or I guess if
> it hurts when you read it, just don't read it?
> 




Article: 335478 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Newsgroup freezes
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:43:09 -0700
Message-ID: <guib82t5m1hp0bpjkqhfbpup82pqosjo7p@4ax.com>
References: <gMhhg.3729$PY6.2838@trnddc05>

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:08:44 GMT, "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Quite often when I go to RAR+P, I'll begin reading the latest messages --  
>such as Caine and Desertbob duking it out.  After about the third message, 
>the system seems to "freeze"; in other words it seems to have trouble 
>reading the next message.  After 60 seconds I get an error message.  However 
>if I click on a different message, select stop, then click on the message 
>again, it usually brings it up right away.  It does it with Outlook using 
>Verizon, and it also does it with XNews which, at the moment, is still 
>accessing Earthlink.  it doesn't appear to be a network problem with either; 
>rather something internal on the computer that keeps it from reading certain 
>messages.<snip>

No, it's your NNTP server, and they all do it from time to time.
You'll be picking up articles just fine, and then all of the sudden,
due to traffic demands, your request to retrieve gets waylaid while
the server's clogged up doing something else.  Not to worry, it's not
your client.  Some clients handle delayed response better than others;
Agent and Xnews give you an error message.  Even though it may take
longer, at least it's faster and better than "goo goo groopz," which
is "Usenet for 'Tards!"

I have the same exact latency issue on Newsdawg, Supernews and Newsguy
every now and then.  A LOT of it also has to do with whether or not
you have a direct server connection, or if your ISP is simply
"outsourcing"  your NNTP account elsewhere.  My freebie news account
with my ISP does it a lot; Supernews VERY seldom.


Article: 335479 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Newsgroup freezes
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:44:06 -0700
Message-ID: <j6jb82lndaqog42ls9isljfmg6iisfq2l0@4ax.com>
References: <gMhhg.3729$PY6.2838@trnddc05> <1149618223.161517.293060@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 6 Jun 2006 11:23:43 -0700, smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com wrote:

>That is because Bob and his friends are HACKERS, and are "pinging" your
>computer with jamming software.  Once he gets your email address and
>server ISP number, he begins jamming people.  The guy needs a good
>beating... <snip>

CAINE aka 66fourdoor aka Charlie Nudo, suffering from a mercury
poisoned brain, under yet another name.


Article: 335480 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brian Hill" <good@it.net>
References: <j7GdnY2TL_6dUxnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1149559259.860458.22990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <1q6dnZgqKKRx9RjZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149596753.409136.254470@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: You can get a great deal on eBay...
Message-ID: <d8lhg.23$8U4.12@fe05.lga>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:59:04 -0500


"Peter Wieck" <pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1149596753.409136.254470@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> > And this has what to do with antique radios and phonos?
>>
>> Because A Certain Person recently claimed that when you bought something 
>> on
>> eBay, you _always_ paid more than it was really worth.
>
> Yep.
>
> I did. And I continue to support that contention. It is my position
> that the wildness (and wilderness) of eBay that has highly polished,
> common (albeit pretty) AA5 bakelite radios going in the $200 range are
> the true outliers. Those are obscenely overpriced. But if the common
> AA5 in commonly-as-found condition sells typically from $15 - $30
> (often much-less) at every garage sale, flea-market, swap meet and
> junk-shop every day of the week, that is pretty much the benchmark.
> Given a typical $15 shipping cost, that does not leave a whole lot of
> room in the range-of-prices from eBay.... before it is overpriced.
>
> Take your camera: You got it at $0.99. Great. That may not be
> overpriced, and the exception that proves the rule. But the reality of
> the situation is that the bulk of people who wanted *your* camera
> either have already gotten it... perhaps at a higher price, or no
> longer want it. But the brute fact of the matter is that *you* were the
> only one that wanted it, even at $0.99 this time. To the seller, that
> is all that it was worth.
>
> I use an automatic sniping program that searches for specific items and
> sets a very specific snipe. All I do is 'approve' each snipe based on
> the description, to a total of about 20 minutes per week. In the months
> of May and June (so far), I set some 100 snipes and got two (2) items.
> I was second on four (4) items. Total expendature including shipping
> was under $400. One item was quite rare and 'usually' sells in the
> $600+ range... but being 'rare' does not make it worth that. Did I pay
> too much at ~$340? Very likely I did, even if I got it by $0.50 below
> my top snipe. But I have always wanted one of it... so. The other item
> ($45 w/shipping) already has a home for $100 after upgrades, so it will
> be a net-positive acquisition and give me an hour or so of pleasant and
> productive bench-time. That there were six of it out there and this was
> the _only_ one that came in under my snipe-limit shows the results of
> saturation. But that unit was only worth $20 to me... No More. Others
> overpaid. I overpaid were I to actually have to use it. That I have a
> ready buyer who likes my upgrades and modifications *AND* is willing to
> overpay for it (and believe me, I have told him) is my luck, not the
> norm.
>
> No, eBay is _never_ a "Buyer's Market" excepting very specific items
> that are in plentiful supply and available elsewhere for the same
> trouble. Take the Ramsey FM100B (and look it up if you don't believe
> me). Do a search on "completed auctions". See what was paid... then see
> what one can buy a new kit for, and a new wired unit for. Revealing.
> (NOTE: This example (one of many) will vary based on what has been sold
> lately, but pick your own example otherwise).
>
> At the same time, sometimes one gets lucky with an unsophisticated
> seller and Buy-it-now, or a poor description, or a series misspellings
> or some such. But again, those are not typical and may not be
> legitimately held as examples of the market.
>
> As to prices dropping... sure. eBay represents (for most anyway)
> discretionary income. When the economy tanks, there are fewer buyers.
> At the same time, there are more sellers attempting to raise cash. And
> these same buyers who _overpaid_ for their crap when they bought it, or
> bought it anticipating 'last-seen' on eBay prices may well be
> disappointed. But the brute fact of the matter is that if it actually
> sells on eBay, it is a pretty good bet that it sold for more than what
> was paid for it or is actually worthless so any price is more than it
> is worth.
>
> Peter Wieck
> Wyncote, PA
>

If it wasn't for Ebay. All of us wouldn't have had a chance to see allot of 
the stuff we have seen, let alone be able to bid on it.

Regards
B.H.

Brian's Basement
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/6.htm

Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm 




Article: 335481 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Newsgroup freezes
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:40:54 -0700
Message-ID: <vhpb82pg50i285jfnetj9rg7rp9ce5nf07@4ax.com>
References: <gMhhg.3729$PY6.2838@trnddc05> <1149614388.025650.256360@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <C9khg.6137$im3.1766@trnddc01>

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:52:18 GMT, "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Steven,
>
>Regarding the 6/6/06 thing, the problem didn't begin today; it's been doing 
>it for awhile. <snip>

The 6/6/06 thing is all hype by Fox Studios to rile up the
christonuts.  There's no big bug deal centered around 6/6/06.

>Another quick note -- how many of you remember this is also D-Day?  It also 
>had the 6-6-6 connotation, having begun at the 6th hour of the 6th day of 
>the 6th month. <snip>

Funny how the wing nuts seem to forget that, armchair patriots that
they are.

>As for the flames and bickering on the newsgroup, it's getting fun and I'm 
>starting to look forward to it.  Kinda reminds me of the last time I took a 
>cruise to Mexico -- the couple in the cabin next to us were fighting, making 
>noise.  My wife was complaining -- I told her to grab a cup and put it 
>against the wall next to her ear.  Next thing you know we were both 
>listening in and having a good laugh! <snip>

You have to take everything in context.  Shame some of the idiots in
this group can't do that.  At least I have jolly good fun at Noodles'
expense!

>Reminds me of the old time radio show, "The Bickersons." <snip>

...with Don Ameche and Frances Langford, often heard until lately
(before the CBS goons forcibly retired George Nickelaw, general
manager) on KNX 1070 on Sundays at 10 PM.  Now THAT'S radio!  Other
frequently heard shows were Benny, Crosby, The Green Hornet, Dragnet
and Gunsmoke.  Since Les Mooooooooonves has decided to get more
control over CBS AM stations, they now rerun cooking shows that no one
listens to.  No wonder Letterman lampoons that jerk so often!  Another
soon-to-be casualty:  The 1938 Columbia Square studios, soon to be
torn down and turned into a strip mall.  The art deco structure was
home to many of the shows that were recorded right in the same studios
in the '40s and '50s.  Now, KNX operates out of a rented office
building, similar to what KFI does now.  Their former grand studios
built by Earle C. Anthony on Vermont Avenue were torn down in 2000.


Article: 335482 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: You can get a great deal on eBay...
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:42:51 -0700
Message-ID: <g5qb821c6phjitu905j4vr0t85val258vn@4ax.com>
References: <j7GdnY2TL_6dUxnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1149559259.860458.22990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <1q6dnZgqKKRx9RjZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149596753.409136.254470@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <d8lhg.23$8U4.12@fe05.lga>

On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:59:04 -0500, "Brian Hill" <good@it.net> wrote:

>If it wasn't for Ebay. All of us wouldn't have had a chance to see allot of 
>the stuff we have seen, let alone be able to bid on it. <snip>

Yeah, it was a great idea...until the fraudsters moved in on it.


Article: 335483 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <3%heg.7547$GM.4080@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0yjeg.7691$3q2.2708@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Great Northern Antiques ?
Message-ID: <5pmhg.19083$GM.16567@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:25:21 GMT


"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:0yjeg.7691$3q2.2708@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "James Hilins" <oldradio@wi.rr.com> wrote in message 
> news:3%heg.7547$GM.4080@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>>
>>                  gn4radios.com
>>                  This domain is currently expired.
>>
>>                  Does anyone have another URL ?
>>
>>                  Jim
>
> Call, mail, fax, or email him directly.  Here is the info from his advertising:
>
>
> Alan Jesperson, PO Box 17338, Minneapolis MN 55417. (612) 727-2489, 11 am-4:30 pm. 
> Fax during business hours (612) 821-4820, 11-4:30 Tues.-Fri., Sat 10-3. E-mail: 
> mte612@aol.com
>
> jim menning
>
>

I just heard from Alan, the site is back up.

www.gn4radios.com

jim menning 




Article: 335484 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de>
Subject: Re: You can get a great deal on eBay...
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:08:45 +0200
Message-ID: <e651tv$sb8$02$1@news.t-online.com>
References: <j7GdnY2TL_6dUxnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com> <1149559259.860458.22990@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

Michael Feldt wrote:

> William Sommerwerck wrote:
> > I just won a Kodak pocket instamatic 60 camera. Now, this camera
normally
> > goes for a few bucks, in it's chrome version. But I got the rare
black
> > model, which commonly sells on eBay for $20 to $30 -- for just 99
cents.
> >
> > Why? I was lucky enough to find it at a time when no one else
wanted it.

> And this has what to do with antique radios and phonos?
>
>

Go figure the purpose ... making snapshots of radios and phonos ;-)

Kind Regards,
Georg (excuse, could not resist)





Article: 335485 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
Subject: Radio on cover of AR-1
Message-ID: <ywohg.5837$9f2.2129@trnddc04>
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:49:50 GMT

I was just looking at a schematic in Sams AR-1, and while putting it away I 
noticed something on the cover.  In the background is a photo of a car radio 
with the cover open; in the upper left corner is a photo of the same radio 
as viewed from the front.  The same photo cover is used on AR-1 through 6.

But here's what gets me -- AR-1 has a copyright date of 1949, and the radio 
looks a tad newer than the 1946-48 models coved in the book.  Upon closer 
inspection it looks like a dead ringer for a Sylvania radio from a 54 
Mercury.

So what's a 54 Mercury radio doing on the cover of a 49 book?


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 335486 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.com>
Subject: Need Original Grille Cloth for AR Speakers
Message-ID: <xFohg.5779$td6.1811@trnddc02>
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:59:25 GMT

I have two of the original "Large Advent" Speakers, that I purchased new in 
1975, and I would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a source 
for replacement grille cloth in the same shade of beige as the original.

The Large Advent Speaker started out with a light beige colored grille 
cloth--somewhat skin to that on the AR3 speaker, and it later went to a 
medium brown color.  I'm looking for the original beige, not the brown.

If this stuff is available anywhere I'd really appreciate a link.

Thanks. 




Article: 335487 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <WLmdnd22stG-OxnZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: OT Gold Embossing on Record Storage Albums-
Message-ID: <O9phg.7506$7e.2468@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:33:50 GMT

About 12 years ago there was a kit to add gold and silver to certificates 
and book covers. We used them in the public affairs office back then for 
presentations, awards, etc.

Can't recall the name but something like that should be available for 
diplomas, awards, etc. to this day. Try looking in upper-end stationary and 
craft sources.

Start here:

http://www.papilio.com/metallic%20gold%20silver%20transfer%20foil%20blue%20green%20red.html

Ray

"Bruce Mercer" <maxbud12@XXXsigecom.net> wrote in message 
news:WLmdnd22stG-OxnZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@sigecom.net...
> Does anybody know a techinique to enhance the gold embossing on record 
> storage albums that have either faded, been 'cleaned' almost off, or just 
> faded' ?
> I am restoring a set of four and they have elaborate embossing, each with 
> a varying degree of gold retention since they all came from different 
> places. I don't care how tedious it is, just if it can be done and how. 
> Any ideas, pointers are appreciated.
>
> Bruce
> 




Article: 335488 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <NICdnTSjPq8HbRjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: RCA 13K in Philly area, not mine
Message-ID: <ogphg.7507$7e.2711@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:40:52 GMT

That's not Philly. It's Pittsburgh.

Ray

"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:NICdnTSjPq8HbRjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> this is a great RCA set,  well worth the effort to restore., especially if
> you are in the area of Philly.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/1936-RCA-13K-Console-13-Tubes-5-Band-Foor-Radio_W0QQitemZ6635182898QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>
> 




Article: 335489 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Radio on cover of AR-1
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:48:33 -0400
Message-ID: <128c8j35ilhsq55@news.supernews.com>
References: <ywohg.5837$9f2.2129@trnddc04>

"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:ywohg.5837$9f2.2129@trnddc04...
>I was just looking at a schematic in Sams AR-1, and while putting it away I 
>noticed something on the cover.  In the background is a photo of a car 
>radio with the cover open; in the upper left corner is a photo of the same 
>radio as viewed from the front.  The same photo cover is used on AR-1 
>through 6.
>
> But here's what gets me -- AR-1 has a copyright date of 1949, and the 
> radio looks a tad newer than the 1946-48 models coved in the book.  Upon 
> closer inspection it looks like a dead ringer for a Sylvania radio from a 
> 54 Mercury.
>
> So what's a 54 Mercury radio doing on the cover of a 49 book?
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com

Models didn't change as quickly back then, maybe it actually a '48 or '49 
model that was "repackaged" for the '54 you know it as.

Or, many reprints after AR-1 first came out, Marketing came up with a new 
picture for the covers.  Copyright date only shows when it first was issued, 
right?

regards,
Frank 




Article: 335490 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve" <zarco@sonic.net>
Subject: Zenith 8S463 IF gain???
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:15:07 -0700
Message-ID: <4486289d$0$65456$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>

Hi Guys,
Most everyone that collects and restores old radios has been
stumped by a radio at one time or another. This is the one I
haven't been able to fix. Maybe someone out there can help.

I originally re-capped this radio 10+ years ago, but the
sensitivity was horrid. I could barely hear local stations
even with a long wire antenna. I tracked the problem down
to the 1st IF stage, and most likely the transformer. When
I inject a 455 KHz modulated signal into the primary of
the 2nd IF transformer I get what I believe is normal
sensitivity. When I inject the same signal into the primary
of the 1st IF, the sensitivity is easily 10-20 times worse.
Checked tubes, all resistors, power supplies and the
possibilty of a dumb mistake when I re-capped the set.
All looks OK.

Pulled the 1st IF transformer, which has good continuity,
and hooked it up (loosely coupled) to a network analyzer.
Nice peak close to 455 KHz, and both primary and
secondary seem to tune normally, although one of the
compression type mica trimmers needs to be much tighter than
the other one.

The only thing I can think of that will cause the lack
of gain in the 1st IF is a shorted turn in the transformer.
Unlikely I know, but thats about the only thing left.

My question: does anyone know if there is any (voltage)
gain in the IF transformers in this set, or does all of
the gain come from the tubes?

                             Steve 




Article: 335491 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
References: <4486289d$0$65456$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith 8S463 IF gain???
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:24:47 -0500
Message-ID: <44861d79$0$26787$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"Steve" <zarco@sonic.net> wrote in message 
news:4486289d$0$65456$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...

> My question: does anyone know if there is any (voltage)
> gain in the IF transformers in this set, or does all of
> the gain come from the tubes?

1:1 transformer, no gain. If all else fails, for troubleshooting purposes 
you could R-C couple the mixer to the IF tube and see if you suddenly get 
better reception. If that works, you know you have to look for a new 
transformer. 



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Article: 335492 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <ywohg.5837$9f2.2129@trnddc04> <128c8j35ilhsq55@news.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: Radio on cover of AR-1
Message-ID: <eXphg.5851$9f2.2744@trnddc04>
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:26:34 GMT

Actually the 53 and 54 are similar, except one has the volume control inside 
the chrome bezel, and the other has a volume control inside the case with a 
long shaft.  Aside from that I think they're electrically the same.  However 
they're most definitely different from earlier models.  Notice all the tubes 
are miniature -- seems to me that everything 1950 and earlier used octals at 
least for the outputs, if not all the way through.

Yes, this is an original AR-1.  I don't think there is such a thing as a 
reprint.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:128c8j35ilhsq55@news.supernews.com...
> "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
> news:ywohg.5837$9f2.2129@trnddc04...
>>I was just looking at a schematic in Sams AR-1, and while putting it away 
>>I noticed something on the cover.  In the background is a photo of a car 
>>radio with the cover open; in the upper left corner is a photo of the same 
>>radio as viewed from the front.  The same photo cover is used on AR-1 
>>through 6.
>>
>> But here's what gets me -- AR-1 has a copyright date of 1949, and the 
>> radio looks a tad newer than the 1946-48 models coved in the book.  Upon 
>> closer inspection it looks like a dead ringer for a Sylvania radio from a 
>> 54 Mercury.
>>
>> So what's a 54 Mercury radio doing on the cover of a 49 book?
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
>> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
>> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
> Models didn't change as quickly back then, maybe it actually a '48 or '49 
> model that was "repackaged" for the '54 you know it as.
>
> Or, many reprints after AR-1 first came out, Marketing came up with a new 
> picture for the covers.  Copyright date only shows when it first was 
> issued, right?
>
> regards,
> Frank
> 




Article: 335493 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: tbavis@_remove_this_rochester.rr.com (Tom Bavis)
Subject: Re: Silvertone 4569 service manual or help?
Message-ID: <448638be.13208609@news-server>
References: <1149630750.367198.60810@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1149632934.054875.222570@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:27:26 GMT

On 6 Jun 2006 15:28:54 -0700, "drsprite" <patriccio@gmail.com> wrote:

>I fixed my problem, the knob needed to be re-aligned and tightened...
>
>But this still brings up a point - does anyone know of a silvertone
>4569 service manual?
>
>Thanks!
>

Riders volume 8, page 63.  

Look on Nostalgiaair.org, under Resources, Silvertone.