Article: 336527 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:59:45 -0600
Message-ID: <8427-44A68DE1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4fSdndWxMqGwFDvZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com>

If i may add .... If you put things on the outer flexable surround on
old paper speakers it will stiffen the movement of the cone and reduce
low or bass notes .

Many of the 4 and 5 inch speakers already sound pretty tinny but what
does one expect from a small speaker ?? :-) Anything added to the
surround should be a flexable substance such as the fabric glue
mentioned to help maintain a nicer tone quality .

On several occasions where i had a pretty faded or glued cracks ugly
cone i carfully protected coil holes & gaskets then sprayed very thin
mist coats of Krylon semi flat black spray paint on the whole cone to
recolor it .

Hair spray  8-)   i will leave that to you guys .



   



Article: 336528 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: American Bosch Treasure Chest
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:06:49 -0600
Message-ID: <8425-44A68F89-342@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <21vpg.6199$so3.4270@southeast.rr.com>

I have never seen one in detail like that . Very nice .

I like how you used ``real space`` between the pictures <:-)



Article: 336529 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:30:09 -0700
Message-ID: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com>
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net>

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 06:28:24 -0500, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

>3) Record the tape directly to my computer and see if there is
>software to slow it down electronically <snip>

Bingo.  Even the cheap consumer grade digital wav editors these days
have pitch AND speed correction, each adjustable individually.  Dub it
>from your RTR right into your sound card and use whatever editor you
come across...Nero, Creative, whatever...that has the pitch/speed
facility you need.

Many of those old RTR answering machines used rim drive, so the speed
will vary as you go through the reel.  Also, they tended to use a
permanent magnet to "erase" the tape, so your RTR will be nice and
magnetized when you're done.  Get out the demagger and to a thorough
demagging job afterward.

I'd fix the machine...can't be anything too serious.

>I am not sure I want to repair something with no collectors value...
>or is it possible the thing might have an antique value? <snip>

Get it running and eBay it.  EBay proves that David Hannum (NOT P.T.
Barnum) was right...there's a sucker born every minute.  Charlie Nudo
aka CAINE has tried to make a living based on that premise alone.


Article: 336530 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: VTVM's
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:33:48 -0700
Message-ID: <t85da2h1tsut1bbg2b2ui4rfepfcv5n6s7@4ax.com>
References: <fSvog.19244$Gh.7806@trnddc02> <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <eds5a29bjienrg52h57r7k5rpeafh22le2@4ax.com> <fah9a2p27dnd7q2nlvkg9do186kid1qf8g@4ax.com> <e83g45$pcn$1@theodyn.ncf.ca>

On 30 Jun 2006 15:31:17 GMT, et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)
wrote:

>Why is the C better than the B?  I've had a 410B for almost sixteen
>years, and had the use of one for years before that.  I always assumed
>the 410B was the ultimate.  I don't have a clue how the C differs. <snip>

Same basic instrument, different probe tube and a few other changes,
including the later two tone grey paint job.  The 410C was one of the
very last H-P lab instruments to retain the old "tube era" enclosure,
along with the wildly popular 200CD.  It was the 200 variable
oscillator that made Messrs. Hewlitt and Packard famous and set the
standard for quality that became H-P.  It was sad to watch a wannabe
CEO marketeer named Carly Fiorina tear it all apart in the space of a
few years, just like Bob Allen destroyed AT&T.


Article: 336531 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Caveat Lector" <UALLBeware@9984reader.com>
Subject: Collection of Antique Radio URL's
Message-ID: <lAxpg.120$_M.111@fed1read04>
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:40:51 -0700

http://ac6v.com/antique.htm#SW

-- 
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !









Article: 336532 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: VTVM's
From: "Weldon Nudlpudl" <weldon@nudlpudl.com>
References: <fSvog.19244$Gh.7806@trnddc02> <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <eds5a29bjienrg52h57r7k5rpeafh22le2@4ax.com> <fah9a2p27dnd7q2nlvkg9do186kid1qf8g@4ax.com> <e83g45$pcn$1@theodyn.ncf.ca> <t85da2h1tsut1bbg2b2ui4rfepfcv5n6s7@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <Fyzpg.81387$mF2.27407@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 18:55:33 GMT

On  1-Jul-2006, DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote:

> Bob Allen destroyed AT&T.

Et maintenant les Français ont traîné le cadavre de Bell Labs à leur chambre à coucher.


Article: 336533 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Carter, k8vt" <k8vt@ameritech.net>
Subject: (OT) Bell Labs [was Re: VTVM's]
References: <fSvog.19244$Gh.7806@trnddc02> <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <eds5a29bjienrg52h57r7k5rpeafh22le2@4ax.com> <fah9a2p27dnd7q2nlvkg9do186kid1qf8g@4ax.com> <e83g45$pcn$1@theodyn.ncf.ca> <t85da2h1tsut1bbg2b2ui4rfepfcv5n6s7@4ax.com> <Fyzpg.81387$mF2.27407@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <LQzpg.76245$4L1.5514@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:14:51 GMT


> On  1-Jul-2006, DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> Bob Allen destroyed AT&T.

Weldon Nudlpudl wrote:

> Et maintenant les Français ont traîné le cadavre de Bell Labs à leur chambre à coucher.

Fractured French notwithstanding, what you say is sad but true. 
Unfortunately, 99.9% of the people don't even realize a national 
treasure has been lost... (Well, our Beloved Leader *did* say 
"Outsourcing is good for this country).    :-(

Did they at least spin off the little piece of the Labs that was to stay 
in America to deal with their classified/government work?


From adouglasatgis.net Tue Jul  4 21:23:49 EDT 2006
Article: 336534 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Alan Douglas <adouglasatgis.net>
Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: VTVM's
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 15:17:55 -0400
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Hi,

>Why is the C better than the B? 

   The 410C is half the size, and has only one tube; the remainder is
transistorized.

Alan


Article: 336535 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:36:09 -0500
Message-ID: <16960-44A6DCB9-237@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <U4KdneaYrdo6iDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com>

I always have liked those old push button radios.They won't stay on
station because you usually have to pull on the buttons and retune the
stations with the tuning knob and then push the buttons back in,but I
still like them.Some old cars had radios with clear bakelite knobs on
the radios,(looked like ice cubes,mostly French,I think) Sharp looking
push button radios.I bought a Zenith model C440W made in Japan,solid
state AM FM Stereo receiver at the Goodwill store this afternoon.Only
$5.00 and it works great too.
cuhulin



Article: 336536 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "philo" <philo@privacy.net>
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net> <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:13:05 -0500
Message-ID: <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net>


"DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 06:28:24 -0500, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >3) Record the tape directly to my computer and see if there is
> >software to slow it down electronically <snip>
>
> Bingo.  Even the cheap consumer grade digital wav editors these days
> have pitch AND speed correction, each adjustable individually.  Dub it
> from your RTR right into your sound card and use whatever editor you
> come across...Nero, Creative, whatever...that has the pitch/speed
> facility you need.
>
> Many of those old RTR answering machines used rim drive, so the speed
> will vary as you go through the reel.  Also, they tended to use a
> permanent magnet to "erase" the tape, so your RTR will be nice and
> magnetized when you're done.  Get out the demagger and to a thorough
> demagging job afterward.
>
> I'd fix the machine...can't be anything too serious.
>
> >I am not sure I want to repair something with no collectors value...
> >or is it possible the thing might have an antique value? <snip>
>
> Get it running and eBay it.  EBay proves that David Hannum (NOT P.T.
> Barnum) was right...there's a sucker born every minute.  Charlie Nudo
> aka CAINE has tried to make a living based on that premise alone.


Thanks for the replies everyone...

I think the first thing I'll do is just record it to a .wav file on my
computer...
then use software to get the pitch right...
then see if I can get the unit working again. Even though the unit is a
capistan drive...
>from playing it back the pitch does seem to change slightly...so there is at
least some "rim" effect.

If I do get it fixed...I'm sure I'll just keep it...as it's really too heavy
to ship!




Article: 336537 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:01:51 -0500
Message-ID: <16960-44A6E2BF-242@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <8427-44A68DE1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>

Many years ago,I read that if the bicycle handle bar grips on bicycles
are loose,if you spray some hairspray inside of the grips,that will
tighten them back up as good as new.Just another trick for hairspray.
cuhulin



Article: 336538 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Wanted Dodge or Plymouth 1940 Auto Radio Parts
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:13:12 -0500
Message-ID: <16961-44A6E568-60@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <dhtpg.147$iW2.68@trnddc03>

Or you might try    www.hemmingsmotornews.com   Several times each year
I buy a new Hemmings Motor News magazine at the Wal Mart store.I bought
one last April and about three weeks ago,I gave it to the Bell South
woman next door.She has her eye on a Chevrolet Cameo pickup truck that
she knows about in a county not far from here.I told her if she decides
not to buy that pickup truck to let me know.She likes old,old vehicles
too.
cuhulin



Article: 336539 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
References: <4fSdndWxMqGwFDvZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> <8427-44A68DE1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <V4Cpg.13330$Ud4.11936@bignews1.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 16:47:02 -0500

Ken G. wrote:
> If i may add .... If you put things on the outer flexable surround on
> old paper speakers it will stiffen the movement of the cone and reduce
> low or bass notes .
> 
> Many of the 4 and 5 inch speakers already sound pretty tinny but what
> does one expect from a small speaker ?? :-) Anything added to the
> surround should be a flexable substance such as the fabric glue
> mentioned to help maintain a nicer tone quality .
> 
I've had pretty good luck with Elmer's, or other white glue, thinned 
with water.  Brush it on.

> On several occasions where i had a pretty faded or glued cracks ugly
> cone i carfully protected coil holes & gaskets then sprayed very thin
> mist coats of Krylon semi flat black spray paint on the whole cone to
> recolor it .
> 
> Hair spray  8-)   i will leave that to you guys .
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> 



Article: 336540 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
References: <8427-44A68DE1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> <16960-44A6E2BF-242@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <o8Cpg.13331$Ud4.12287@bignews1.bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 16:50:45 -0500

cuhulin@webtv.net wrote:
> Many years ago,I read that if the bicycle handle bar grips on bicycles
> are loose,if you spray some hairspray inside of the grips,that will
> tighten them back up as good as new.Just another trick for hairspray.
> cuhulin
> 
> 
For stage, presentation or video applications, if a banner or other 
piece of scenery 'flares' under stage lighting, an application of 
hairspray will tone it down to reduce reflections without otherwise 
changing the appearance.

jak



Article: 336541 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:19:17 -0500
Message-ID: <4940-44A6F4E5-69@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>
References: <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net>

I own some old reel to reel tape recorders of various sizes.One of them
is a big three speed reel to reel tape recorder.About twenty years ago,I
saw an ad in Thrifty Nickle about a guy in a city near me.He was looking
for just such a reel to reel tape recorder.I didn't phone him though.
cuhulin



Article: 336542 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve Phipps" <kawninja@nospam.cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:42:52 -0500
Message-ID: <12ae23q7q2hb42d@corp.supernews.com>
References: <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net> <4940-44A6F4E5-69@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> <MKKdnZ6-_rNgZjvZnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@athenet.net>

I'm "sort of" a collector of reel to reel recorders. They seemed to be hard 
to find a few years ago, but now many of the local flea markets have several 
lying around for reasonable prices. Saw a super nice fancy Sony stereo reel 
to reel component model with dust cover earlier today for $25. A few months 
ago I bought a rather crude 50s era portable recorder that uses large clear 
plastic cartridges that look like 8 tracks, though it definitely predates 
them by many years.

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message 
news:MKKdnZ6-_rNgZjvZnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@athenet.net...

> the one i just bought from a friend of mine works 100% fine...
> it only cost me $30...
> way cheaper than a repair
>
> 




Article: 336543 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Katmandu" <katmandu@nospam.com>
References: <1151319964.784324.265150@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1151504980.845990.321510@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1151578170.745911.133720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <6iapg.6307$Eh1.5459@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1151678000.189606.144770@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Value of Tubes...
Message-ID: <TSEpg.9147$vl5.7251@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 00:58:27 GMT

 Reserve was only set at $60.

  Not sure what your reference to an Emerson is ????


-ERIC


"Steven" <thisjukeboxplays33rpm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151678000.189606.144770@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Katmandu wrote:
> > Transmitter/Amplifier WILL bring BIG bucks if you sell them to CB
radio/Ham
> > type folks. Been there, done that. :>)
> >
> >  Go post them on those Newsgroups and you'll have folks scrambling for
them!
> > Trust me!
>
> We'd hold that judgement until somebody figures out your reserve on a
> Heathkit amp.
>
> Bet I could buy an Emerson...
>




Article: 336544 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Katmandu" <katmandu@nospam.com>
References: <yiapg.7976$vl5.7551@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>   <1151677844.291567.63450@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <XGapg.7980$vl5.2348@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1151684726.409217.228640@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: FA: Tube Amplifier
Message-ID: <iTEpg.3372$u11.2997@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 00:58:54 GMT

> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190002465415
> > >
> > > Yeah, may be nice, but I have an entire AJ-30 to restore to operating
> > > status.
> > >
> >
> > Cool! :>)
>
> Nothing running makes it room temperature, actually.


 That would be true.

 2 hours to go on the Auction BTW.....



-ERIC




Article: 336545 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44A71AA8.A5C654B7@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Value of Tubes...
References: <1151319964.784324.265150@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1151504980.845990.321510@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1151578170.745911.133720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <6iapg.6307$Eh1.5459@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1151678000.189606.144770@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <TSEpg.9147$vl5.7251@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:00:37 GMT

Katmandu wrote:
> 
>  Reserve was only set at $60.
> 
>   Not sure what your reference to an Emerson is ????


   He's the resident bipolar troll that won't go away.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 336546 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:38:39 -0600
Message-ID: <10260-44A7239F-77@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net>
References: <V4Cpg.13330$Ud4.11936@bignews1.bellsouth.net>

had pretty good luck with Elmer's, or other white glue, thinned with
water. Brush it on.


You might try the fabric glue .. it will improve the sound quality of
the speaker over using elmers . No big deal just a suggestion 



Article: 336547 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William R. Walsh" <newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.com>
References: <1151542477.561894.120760@x69g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>   <1151543413.370847.73480@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <vOQog.16696$Z67.13634@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1151588981.202779.320850@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Voip in Amateur Radio,Voip Updated Howto,
Message-ID: <MLFpg.14641$FQ1.6772@attbi_s71>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:59:08 GMT

Hi!

> Actually, I have an extension and four phones to use, and I do
> need 911 once in a while.

I recently moved into a new house and of course the question of phone
service came up. At first I debated even *having* a phone in the place. But
then I reconsidered and thought about emergencies and the like...

I then thought about Vonage...much less expensive, supposedly easy to set
up, and I've used other people's Internet-based phone service. It seemed to
work well. However, after reading their fine print, I was really put off of
the concept...especially with regard to emergency phone calls.

Although it costs somewhat more each month, I just went ahead and gave
Verizon my business. Back when a storm roared through here and took down
several trees, they were awfully good about helping us clean things up. They
did much more than they had to, and for that I'm glad.

William




Article: 336548 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:13:32 -0500
Subject: Re: where can i buy a good record player?
From: John Stone <jmsent2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C0CC95FC.4E189%jmsent2@comcast.net>
References: <4dSdncTRMM-vVwPZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <JJCng.9224$8i2.20557@wagner.videotron.net> <Gsqdnbavwv5tYAPZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151342056.479787.76870@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <e--dnS7tv669Hz3ZnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151407992.129720.153410@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <mNWdnYNCZL7PvTzZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151539874.134260.70530@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <CbqdnergF4W7vD7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151619373.455224.3880@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <PLOdnb2cKcWswznZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <4LudnWDsUtgTqzjZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@bright.net> <1151680239.944679.249410@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <5Mmdndd3xbVN0TjZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@bright.net> <1151689695.177003.43700@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <L_6dnUGv4pglGjvZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@bright.net> <1151795163.944439.316600@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>




On 7/1/06 6:06 PM, in article
1151795163.944439.316600@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Peter Wieck"
<pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

> 
> Repeating the issue:
> 
> Coating... NEVER.
> 
> Soaking with a material that integrates with the fibers, perhaps. But
> after careful thought.
> 
I would like to know what exactly the goal is here, and how is it
accomplished? Are you trying to improve something? Frequency response,
distortion? After you've coated, soaked, whatever you call it, then what?
Without having the ability to measure before and after in some way this
seems like nothing more than a stab in the dark. The effects of changing a
cone through application of another material to it will result in changes in
stiffness, mass, absorption, and God knows what else. Without some
reasonable knowledge of driver design, the chances of these changes
resulting in an improvement seem slim at best. I am in this industry and
have seen firsthand what it takes to good results from doping cones. It
requires experience, skill, and the ability to measure loudspeaker
parameters with good resolution and repeatability. IOW, not for amateurs. If
I had a set of drivers I liked, I would never modify them myself in this
way. If the driver designers thought that doping the cone would improve the
driver, they would have done it in the first place.




Article: 336549 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Barry" <n4buq@knology.net>
Subject: RG178 or RF196
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:56:05 -0500
Message-ID: <4bd5e$44a734b1$18d649b3$19731@KNOLOGY.NET>

Does anyone know where I can buy some RG178 or RG196 coax by the foot?  I've
found it but have to buy 20' or 50'.  I'd like to be able to buy just a few
feet since that's all I really need.

Thanks,

Barry - N4BUQ




Article: 336550 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Relative value 1947 and now (filesize 190k)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 22:53:04 -0400
Message-ID: <12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com>
References: <12a163ej5penebc@news.supernews.com>   <jbyrns-0107061143270001@216-80-74-215.s215.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com> <1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

> John Byrns wrote:
>> Why do so many of the Canadian AA5 & AA6 radios shown on this catalog 
>> page
>> that was posted on the alt.binaries.pictures.radio newsgroup include the
>> Long Wave band?  I didn't realize LW was used in Canada in 1947.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Byrns
>>
>>

"nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Methinks that the ad guys were, perhaps, using 'long wave' to refer to
> standard broadcast since the sets are said to receive "Short Wave and
> Long Wave" with no mention of BC, yet the single band sets are called
> "Standard Broadcast".
> Given that, though, what about Newfoundland, which was just changing
> from British to Canadian about then, did they use LW for broadcasting??
> I think I have the GE version of that RCA in the top left and it is BC
> and SW.
> In any case, the prices were frightful when the wages for the 'common
> man' were in the $50-100/month range!!
>
> Neil S.

I've no idea about John's Long Wave question, but the pricing question sure 
is astounding to me.  As I mentioned in the original post, the RCA metal 
lunch box portable radio was $89.95 in this catalogue!  Other pages show 
men's Kodiak 14" leather lace-up work boots for $13.95, and a Daisy 1000 
shot air-rifle for $4.30, so where did they get off selling that radio for 
ninety dollars?





Article: 336551 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Relative value 1947 and now (filesize 190k)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:06:39 +0900
Message-ID: <e87d4b$a4o$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <12a163ej5penebc@news.supernews.com>   <jbyrns-0107061143270001@216-80-74-215.s215.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com> <1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com>


"Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com...
>> John Byrns wrote:
>>> Why do so many of the Canadian AA5 & AA6 radios shown on this catalog 
>>> page
>>> that was posted on the alt.binaries.pictures.radio newsgroup include the
>>> Long Wave band?  I didn't realize LW was used in Canada in 1947.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> John Byrns
>>>
>>>
>
> "nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net> wrote in message 
> news:1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Methinks that the ad guys were, perhaps, using 'long wave' to refer to
>> standard broadcast since the sets are said to receive "Short Wave and
>> Long Wave" with no mention of BC, yet the single band sets are called
>> "Standard Broadcast".
>> Given that, though, what about Newfoundland, which was just changing
>> from British to Canadian about then, did they use LW for broadcasting??
>> I think I have the GE version of that RCA in the top left and it is BC
>> and SW.
>> In any case, the prices were frightful when the wages for the 'common
>> man' were in the $50-100/month range!!
>>
>> Neil S.
>
> I've no idea about John's Long Wave question, but the pricing question 
> sure is astounding to me.  As I mentioned in the original post, the RCA 
> metal lunch box portable radio was $89.95 in this catalogue!  Other pages 
> show men's Kodiak 14" leather lace-up work boots for $13.95, and a Daisy 
> 1000 shot air-rifle for $4.30, so where did they get off selling that 
> radio for ninety dollars?
>

Can I hazard a guess that the radio tax was figured into the price in the 
catalog?





Article: 336552 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:11:09 -0400
Message-ID: <12aeeajbeoa5od5@corp.supernews.com>
References: <Kqjpg.13065$FQ1.11435@attbi_s71> <12ablsvi72gmjd2@corp.supernews.com> <U4KdneaYrdo6iDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com>


 Thanks guys, there go forty radios BACK into John's poor shed. ALL radios 
have redeeming features, if I thought like you guys I'd be living amongst 
console canyons with radios on the bed and end up dead under a fallen pile 
of 1942 RCA's.

John H. 




Article: 336553 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:14:31 -0400
Message-ID: <12aeeguq80inp1f@corp.supernews.com>
References: <8427-44A68DE1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> <16960-44A6E2BF-242@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <o8Cpg.13331$Ud4.12287@bignews1.bellsouth.net>


 It also makes a GREAT temporary blowtorch, and potato gun fuel.

John H. 




Article: 336554 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: I Guess This Page Proves...
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:31:21 -0400
Message-ID: <12aefgf60ghgoe1@corp.supernews.com>
References: <44a5b988$0$9844$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <19336-44A5D515-175@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>


"Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:19336-44A5D515-175@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net...
 >
> John . I enjoyed many of your postings that had nothing to do with ebay
> Lately it seems you have been taken prisoner by to many objects and
> their perfection .

Nah, Ken- this is called KVETCHING (mild complaining that solitcits NO 
advice or solution).


 > How are you doing in your new house ? is it full yet ? how is the yard &
> land coming ?
>

No, the house is still only half full because I take an attitude like during 
the Reign of Terror in France- is this radio good enough to stay? Otherwise, 
off with it's head, err, off to the swap with it!

I created a huge real rose bed and redid the perennial gardens in the last 
few weeks here. NOW if it would only dry out for awhile!!!.

Snoopy's radios are kinda an abomination, Ken, admit it. I (and you) would 
rather he sell them as he found them.

John H. 




Article: 336555 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:22:17 -0700
Message-ID: <e87e5f0qrf@news1.newsguy.com>
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net> <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net>

philo wrote:
> "DeserTBoB" <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 06:28:24 -0500, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> 3) Record the tape directly to my computer and see if there is
>>> software to slow it down electronically <snip>
>> Bingo.  Even the cheap consumer grade digital wav editors these days
>> have pitch AND speed correction, each adjustable individually.  Dub it
>> from your RTR right into your sound card and use whatever editor you
>> come across...Nero, Creative, whatever...that has the pitch/speed
>> facility you need.
>>
>> Many of those old RTR answering machines used rim drive, so the speed
>> will vary as you go through the reel.  Also, they tended to use a
>> permanent magnet to "erase" the tape, so your RTR will be nice and
>> magnetized when you're done.  Get out the demagger and to a thorough
>> demagging job afterward.
>>
>> I'd fix the machine...can't be anything too serious.
>>
>>> I am not sure I want to repair something with no collectors value...
>>> or is it possible the thing might have an antique value? <snip>
>> Get it running and eBay it.  EBay proves that David Hannum (NOT P.T.
>> Barnum) was right...there's a sucker born every minute.  Charlie Nudo
>> aka CAINE has tried to make a living based on that premise alone.
> 
> 
> Thanks for the replies everyone...
> 
> I think the first thing I'll do is just record it to a .wav file on my
> computer...
> then use software to get the pitch right...
> then see if I can get the unit working again. Even though the unit is a
> capistan drive...
> from playing it back the pitch does seem to change slightly...so there is at
> least some "rim" effect.
> 
> If I do get it fixed...I'm sure I'll just keep it...as it's really too heavy
> to ship!
> 
> 
Search on the web for an old trial copy of Cool Edit 96. It has all the 
features of the full version available, just not all at once-you select 
the feature set from a list when you start the program. Yes, it is old, 
but it still works under all subsequent versions of windows.

You can do pitch correction, sample rate correction, speed correction, 
noise reduction, and all that other stuff you would need for a one-shot 
project like this.

Once you have cleaned up the audio to your satisfaction, save it as a 16 
bit, 44.1Khz WAV file and then burn it to a half dozen or so CDs and 
give all but a couple to people you trust for safekeeping, and keep one 
in your work environment, if you are gainfully employed. That way, if 
your house burns down or something, you haven't lost what are 
irreplaceable recordings.

BTW, consider yourself lucky that that answering machine even HAS a 
tape! I have one that uses a digital memory chip to store the recorded 
calls. Although it was retired two years ago in favor of a much more 
advanced model, I can't get rid of it because it has the last words ever 
recorded of my father-in-law, who passed away three years ago. Until I 
figure out an absolutely non-destructive way of extracting the 
recordings on the machine and put them on a CD, My wife will not permit 
me to discard the machine.

The highest-quality way of putting it onto a  CD is to attach the 
recording leads between my computer soundcard input and the speaker 
leads inside the machine. I'm kind of afraid to open it up to do that, 
though.....If I were to inadvertently zap the memory chip and make it 
inaccessable, you would hear the sound of my wife strangling me from 
halfway around the world. :-)

Another situation that makes me long for low-tech....

-Scott


Article: 336556 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:49:06 -0400
Message-ID: <12aeghnsg35cg4f@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>


<gerryu21220@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
 >
> I found this chart, but it's rather confusing:
>
> <http://colomar.com/Shavano/crossover6db.html>
>


There are no "guesses"- keep reading the page over and over until it's 
clear. Also Google any unfamiliar terms, and look at websites like these-

http://colomar.com/Shavano/crossover12db.html

http://sound.westhost.com/lr-passive.htm
(it will make the other pages seem really really simple because they are)

I spent a couple DOZEN hours planning my Scott repro crossover box and 
ordering and assembling the parts. A best guess thrown together crossover 
will sound that way. But really you just look at the chart and chose your 
capacitors and coils. You can find inductors at partsexpress.com among other 
places or wind your own. Use 100 volt metal film or Mylar capacitors. 
Crossover point should be somewhere between 2000 and 3000 Hz I'd guess.

John H. 




Article: 336557 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:35:13 -0700
Message-ID: <e87etn0rb8@news1.newsguy.com>
References: <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net> <4940-44A6F4E5-69@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> <MKKdnZ6-_rNgZjvZnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@athenet.net> <12ae23q7q2hb42d@corp.supernews.com>

Steve Phipps wrote:
> I'm "sort of" a collector of reel to reel recorders. They seemed to be hard 
> to find a few years ago, but now many of the local flea markets have several 
> lying around for reasonable prices. Saw a super nice fancy Sony stereo reel 
> to reel component model with dust cover earlier today for $25. 

They are still very available at the fleas. I picked up an AKAI 
Quadrophonic R2R unit about two months ago at a church sale for 
peanuts....Then two weeks later, another one showed up at a flea that 
was almost identical except that it also had an 8-track cart player 
built into the side. I grabbed it, too.....also for penuts.

They are built like tanks, which is probably why so many of them survive.

If you were a true audiophile or needed a super long recording time, 
Reel-to-Reel was your only choice for years.

-Scott




Article: 336558 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
References: <Kqjpg.13065$FQ1.11435@attbi_s71> <12ablsvi72gmjd2@corp.supernews.com> <U4KdneaYrdo6iDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com> <12aeeajbeoa5od5@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:12:38 -0500
Message-ID: <44a73a69$0$9809$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
news:12aeeajbeoa5od5@corp.supernews.com...
> Thanks guys, there go forty radios BACK into John's poor shed. ALL radios 
> have redeeming features, if I thought like you guys I'd be living amongst 
> console canyons with radios on the bed and end up dead under a fallen pile 
> of 1942 RCA's.

Thanks for the visual John, I just snarfed a mouthful of lemonade all over 
my keyboard. You can send me a small wooden table radio to make up for it. 
:-)

Know what you mean, though, I had to cut myself off at 8 consoles and I 
could be talked into getting rid of some of them if I could figure out how 
to get a good price for them without having to lug or ship them anywhere. I 
guess I don't want to get rid of them badly enough to put any effort into 
selling them.....

paul 



-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com



Article: 336559 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
References: <YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net> <1151816244.381790.18070@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 00:15:53 -0500
Message-ID: <44a74943$0$9883$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"Stephanie Weil" <stephanienyc@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1151816244.381790.18070@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>I dunno about hairspray, but when I was once fighting with a brittle
> (but otherwise fine) speaker, Brenda suggested I spray a bit of 3M's
> #77 adhesive on it.

Funny you should mention that. About a week ago the distortion from my 
Westinghouse 12X16 finally got too intolerable to deal with so I pulled the 
chassis and found that the problem was the speaker cone getting weak at the 
surround. Looking around for something to strengthen it I broke out the 3M 
77 and gave it a coat. It got 80% better, but it's still not quite where I 
want it. That set with its push-pull 25L6s and 4x9 speaker generates bass 
like a console (those of you who have ever had an RCA 28X5 will know what 
I'm talking about; it's the same chassis) so any speaker problems are 
readily apparent even to a tin-ear like me. If going over it again with 
something doesn't help I'm going to have to have it reconed.

p 



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Article: 336560 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: (OT) Bell Labs [was Re: VTVM's]
From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," <Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net>
References: <fSvog.19244$Gh.7806@trnddc02> <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <eds5a29bjienrg52h57r7k5rpeafh22le2@4ax.com> <fah9a2p27dnd7q2nlvkg9do186kid1qf8g@4ax.com> <e83g45$pcn$1@theodyn.ncf.ca> <t85da2h1tsut1bbg2b2ui4rfepfcv5n6s7@4ax.com> <Fyzpg.81387$mF2.27407@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <LQzpg.76245$4L1.5514@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>
Message-ID: <IFKpg.83306$mF2.39276@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 07:34:00 GMT

On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:14:51 GMT, Carter, k8vt wrote:

> Fractured French notwithstanding, what you say is sad but true. 
> Unfortunately, 99.9% of the people don't even realize a national 
> treasure has been lost... (Well, our Beloved Leader *did* say 
> "Outsourcing is good for this country).    :-(

What the French firm bought was so different from what Bell Labs had been that you shouldn't at all think that they bought the latter.

In the face of the end to AT&T's monopolization of long distance service and ownership of RBOCs with their own monopolies, for Bell Labs to have continued as approximately what it was it would have had to have been spun-off as a "non-profit" entity, with some remarkably generous financial endowment.  Something like the Battelle Memorial Institute or perhaps like the Rand Corporation.

> Did they at least spin off the little piece of the Labs that was to stay 
> in America to deal with their classified/government work?

No.  Rather, classified information is not supposed to flow from those parts to others. (This is really no different, in principle, from the same sorts of restrictions on purely domestic firms.)


Article: 336561 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:00:37 +0200
From: "F.C. Trevor Gale" <tgale@xs4all.nl>
Subject: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'...
Message-ID: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>

From: "King Walker" <king1@surrealnet.net>

Trevor - I would like to post a message ....can you give me some ideas 
of how to do it.

I'm looking for an "elmer" in my area to teach me how to repair old 
radios and phonos.

Thanks.

Could someone please mail this gentleman (asking his area code etc 
perhaps)?`



Article: 336562 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
Subject: STRANGE Intermittent!
Message-ID: <UMOpg.6194$EJ3.5535@trnddc06>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 12:14:44 GMT

I'm sure all of you who have spent time working on old radios have seen your 
share of really strange problems.  Well, I just encountered a good one.  The 
good news is that I found the solution, but just to make you guys think, 
I'll give you the symptoms now and the solution after awhile.

This is a Delco wonderbar radio from a 1958 Corvette.  This radio is filthy 
dirty, but I can't blame anyone for wanting one of these fixed up -- after 
all, there are some pretty stiff concours shows for Corvettes, and these 
radios in ANY condition are worth a mint.

The car is presently being restored.  The customer told me the radio had 
worked up till now, then suddenly quit working.  I put it on the bench, and 
it played fine.  However it indeed needed some serious cleaning, and there 
were a few paper capacitors around the volume control that I thought would 
be a good idea to replace.

After some cleaning and recapping, I turned the radio on again.  Dead as a 
doornail!  No sound, no stations, dead.  The radio was laying on its back 
(on the heat sink), so I slanted it toward me to check a measurement. 
Suddenly it came to life!  I moved around the 12DV8 in its socket, and the 
sound cut in and out.  Aha!  Dirty tube socket!

At this point I checked all the tubes, three were weak, including the 12DV8. 
After replacing them, spraying cleaner into the sockets, and moving the 
tubes around for better contact, I turned the radio on again.  Dead.  This 
time, wiggling the tubes made no difference whatsoever, it remained dead.

Now for the REALLY strange part -- I set the radio right-side-up, and it 
began to play just fine.  Again I set it on its back, and it went dead.  Set 
it right side up again, plays fine.  Up-down-up-down, it works like a 
mercury switch.  The "break" is at about a 45 degree angle, which is where I 
wiggled the tube the first time.  In either position, tapping the PCB with a 
tuning stick did nothing.  Wiggling wires and hitting the radio did nothing. 
Inspection of the heat sink and its related insulators showed nothing. 
Resoldering every connection on the PCB did nothing.  Yet every time, if the 
radio sits upright, it goes dead, and if it sits normally it plays.

Troubleshooting even further, I've found no voltage changes when the radio 
is moved.  Everything remains perfectly normal.  When dead, I get no audio 
at the volume control, nothing in either IF, just dead.  Oscillator appears 
to be running.  Antenna is fully inserted, and playing with the connector 
did nothing.  Bottom line, everything on the PCB is solid, and I can get no 
intermittent blips or static by tapping or banging the heck out of it.  Yet, 
sitting right-side-up on the bench it plays fine, moving it upright kills 
it.  Go figure.




-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 336563 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'...
Message-ID: <%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:00:43 GMT

> I'm looking for an "elmer" in my area to teach me how to repair old radios 
> and phonos.
>
> Thanks

Elmer?  As in Fudd, or maybe glue?  That's the first time I've encountered 
THAT term!

On one hand, electronics is not something you can teach in a day, or even a 
week.  However it is certainly teachable, and if this fellow doesn't mind 
doing some reading on his own, he may be able to learn enough to allow him 
to get inside some of these radios and do something positive.  Certainly one 
of us can help him out by showing him things here and there, and answering 
questions.  But now comes the BIG question:  where in the world is King 
Walker?


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 336564 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44a7cb47$0$31655$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: STRANGE Intermittent!
References: <UMOpg.6194$EJ3.5535@trnddc06>
Date: 02 Jul 2006 13:33:59 GMT

Gary Tayman <caradio@verizon.net> wrote:
> did nothing.  Bottom line, everything on the PCB is solid, and I can get no 
> intermittent blips or static by tapping or banging the heck out of it.  Yet, 
> sitting right-side-up on the bench it plays fine, moving it upright kills 
> it.  Go figure.

Maybe a bad tube? Intermittent O/C or S/C.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Maarten Bakker.


Article: 336565 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Harley L. Miller" <hmiller106@kc.rr.com>
References: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05>
Subject: Re: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'...
Message-ID: <hbQpg.2494$qi5.879@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:51:09 GMT

Gary, the amateur radio term 'Elmer' refers to someone who mentors a new ham
as he/she is in the process of becoming a licensed, and experienced, ham
radio operator.
My Elmer, Dean by name, helped me study for exams, coached me in the
intricacies of good operation, and loaned me radio gear to help get me
started.

Harley  WB0ROQ

"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05...
> > I'm looking for an "elmer" in my area to teach me how to repair old
radios
> > and phonos.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Elmer?  As in Fudd, or maybe glue?  That's the first time I've encountered
> THAT term!




Article: 336566 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Bill Jeffrey <wjeffrey@TAKE-THIS-OUTalum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'...
References: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05>
Message-ID: <HkQpg.59344$3B.6368@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:01:11 GMT

Gary Tayman wrote:
>> I'm looking for an "elmer" in my area to teach me how to repair old
>> radios and phonos.
>> 
>> Thanks
> 
> 
> Elmer?  As in Fudd, or maybe glue?  That's the first time I've
> encountered THAT term!

Gary -  You're showing your age (too young!)  Today, an Elmer would
be referred to as a "mentor" - such a much more comforting and
correct term.

I think (but I'm not sure) that the term "Elmer" came into being during 
WWII, though I have no idea as to the actual etymology.

Bill Jeffrey



Article: 336567 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'...
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:11:39 -0400
Message-ID: <12afl12i5l6rq6a@corp.supernews.com>
References: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05> <HkQpg.59344$3B.6368@twister.nyroc.rr.com>


"Bill Jeffrey" <wjeffrey@TAKE-THIS-OUTalum.mit.edu> wrote in message 
news:HkQpg.59344$3B.6368@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
 > Gary -  You're showing your age (too young!)

Look at this eBay seller, for whom 1978 is an ancient time just after World 
War 2 and Steve Martin's monster hit a complete mystery-


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280002373916

Willy was a young boy, he never thought he'd see
People stand in line just to see the boy king.

King Tut, buried with a donkey,
Funky Tut, he's my favorite honky

Born in Arizona, moved to Babalona
King Tut

*&*&*&*&*

John H. 




Article: 336568 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:51:45 -0500
Message-ID: <21652-44A7EB91-424@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <12aeeajbeoa5od5@corp.supernews.com>

End up dead under a bunch of radios and your wife or girlfriend will
auction your stuff off on eBay.
cuhulin



Article: 336569 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:54:58 -0500
Message-ID: <21652-44A7EC52-425@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <12aeeguq80inp1f@corp.supernews.com>

Yeah,hairspray and a cigarette lighter = blowtorch.
cuhulin



Article: 336570 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:59:01 -0500
Message-ID: <21652-44A7ED45-426@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1151816244.381790.18070@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>

I wash my hair when I take my once a week Saturday night baths.I dont
put anything in my hair but Irish (because I am Scotch Irish by
ancestry) soap and water.I have two ''heads'' full of hair,wimmins.
cuhulin



Article: 336571 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net> <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net> <e87e5f0qrf@news1.newsguy.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:13:10 GMT

"Scott W. Harvey" wrote:
> 
> Search on the web for an old trial copy of Cool Edit 96. It has all the
> features of the full version available, just not all at once-you select
> the feature set from a list when you start the program. Yes, it is old,
> but it still works under all subsequent versions of windows.


   ce2kmain1.exe is the trial version I have.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 336572 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: STRANGE Intermittent!
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:35:22 -0700
Message-ID: <21721-44A7F5CA-18@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1151856327.088405.34980@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

>From Neil S.: 

>Not really enough info, but perhaps a 
>break or short at the antenna connector 
>or the antenna lead you are plugging in, 
>or you are pushing on the shaft of the 
>antenna 'peaking' trimmer and opening 
>or shorting something there.

Remember the OP (Gary) said "nothing at the volume control" when it's
dead. That at least localizes the problem 'downstream' from the
vol.control. The problem's just about gotta be related to muting. 
                  When an auto radio's case is open, generally enough RF
will get thru to be heard even with the antenna jack dead shorted.
               Bill(oc)  



Article: 336573 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:47:08 -0500
Message-ID: <24730-44A7F88C-374@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net>
References: <nJCdnWCZWctDbDrZnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Two English gals in Scotland.A dude in a pub stepped out of the pub and
across the road to ''visit'' a tree,he was so drunk,he fell down and
passed out.One of them gals whipped a ribbon out of her hair and she
tied it around his ....
When he came to,he said,,,, Well Laddy,I dont know where you have
been,but I am glad you won first prize!
cuhulin



Article: 336574 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <UMOpg.6194$EJ3.5535@trnddc06>
Subject: The SOLUTION!
Message-ID: <HgTpg.3456$Uy3.3406@trnddc04>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:21:43 GMT

I suppose the "Attaboy" of the day goes to Neil -- he just about hit the 
nail on the head!

This is a rather heavy radio for its size, and when set upright on the heat 
sink the case flexes -- just a tiny bit.  The antenna trimmer sits in the 
back, right behind one of the wonderbar return solenoids.  One of the lugs 
for the trimmer was sticking out, and just barely kissing the back of the 
solenoid.  When the radio was set on end, it touched -- when right-side-up, 
it broke contact.  Bent the lug down a little, it's fine.

I'm still not totally out of the woods.  The audio sucks, and with the tone 
control all the way treble, the volume control actually goes to null partway 
up.  So obviously there's something quirky around that volume control tap. 
I've also found and fixed a wonderbar solenoid problem (bad relay contact) 
and a few other little bugs.  This is an example of a radio that appears 
fine at first, but the more you tinker the more problems you uncover.  I 
think I'm gaining on it though.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:UMOpg.6194$EJ3.5535@trnddc06...
> I'm sure all of you who have spent time working on old radios have seen 
> your share of really strange problems.  Well, I just encountered a good 
> one.  The good news is that I found the solution, but just to make you 
> guys think, I'll give you the symptoms now and the solution after awhile.
>
> This is a Delco wonderbar radio from a 1958 Corvette.  This radio is 
> filthy dirty, but I can't blame anyone for wanting one of these fixed 
> up -- after all, there are some pretty stiff concours shows for Corvettes, 
> and these radios in ANY condition are worth a mint.
>
> The car is presently being restored.  The customer told me the radio had 
> worked up till now, then suddenly quit working.  I put it on the bench, 
> and it played fine.  However it indeed needed some serious cleaning, and 
> there were a few paper capacitors around the volume control that I thought 
> would be a good idea to replace.
>
> After some cleaning and recapping, I turned the radio on again.  Dead as a 
> doornail!  No sound, no stations, dead.  The radio was laying on its back 
> (on the heat sink), so I slanted it toward me to check a measurement. 
> Suddenly it came to life!  I moved around the 12DV8 in its socket, and the 
> sound cut in and out.  Aha!  Dirty tube socket!
>
> At this point I checked all the tubes, three were weak, including the 
> 12DV8. After replacing them, spraying cleaner into the sockets, and moving 
> the tubes around for better contact, I turned the radio on again.  Dead. 
> This time, wiggling the tubes made no difference whatsoever, it remained 
> dead.
>
> Now for the REALLY strange part -- I set the radio right-side-up, and it 
> began to play just fine.  Again I set it on its back, and it went dead. 
> Set it right side up again, plays fine.  Up-down-up-down, it works like a 
> mercury switch.  The "break" is at about a 45 degree angle, which is where 
> I wiggled the tube the first time.  In either position, tapping the PCB 
> with a tuning stick did nothing.  Wiggling wires and hitting the radio did 
> nothing. Inspection of the heat sink and its related insulators showed 
> nothing. Resoldering every connection on the PCB did nothing.  Yet every 
> time, if the radio sits upright, it goes dead, and if it sits normally it 
> plays.
>
> Troubleshooting even further, I've found no voltage changes when the radio 
> is moved.  Everything remains perfectly normal.  When dead, I get no audio 
> at the volume control, nothing in either IF, just dead.  Oscillator 
> appears to be running.  Antenna is fully inserted, and playing with the 
> connector did nothing.  Bottom line, everything on the PCB is solid, and I 
> can get no intermittent blips or static by tapping or banging the heck out 
> of it.  Yet, sitting right-side-up on the bench it plays fine, moving it 
> upright kills it.  Go figure.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
> 




Article: 336575 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: STRANGE Intermittent!
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:46:48 -0700
Message-ID: <21720-44A80688-189@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net>
References: <lLWdnfvwbbEJnzXZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@comcast.com>

>From William:

>Upstream.

Right you are, Dub. When he said "nothing at the volume control", i
erroneously assumed he was injecting signal there rather than *looking
for* signal. 
                Kudos to Neil S.   



Article: 336576 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:58:24 -0500
Message-ID: <4939-44A80940-566@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net>
References: <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net>

Let me phone a phone number and if there is an answering machine on
there,,, I imediately Hang UP! F... them!
cuhulin



Article: 336577 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:38:20 -0400
Message-ID: <12ag4l2s6trg3c8@corp.supernews.com>
References: <YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net>


"Stewart Schooley" <genus@ncweb.com> wrote in message 
news:YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net...
> Sometime back, probably a few years ago, It was mentioned here about using 
> women's hairspray on old paper coned radio loudspeakers.

Only on midranges and tweeter's- MEN'S hairspray should be used on woofers! 
The softer hold gives a deeper tone and commanding soundstage.

John H. 




Article: 336578 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve" <zarco@sonic.net>
References: <UMOpg.6194$EJ3.5535@trnddc06>
Subject: Re: STRANGE Intermittent!
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:56:36 -0700
Message-ID: <44a816e6$0$96161$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>

My first guess would be a piece-o-crud loose inside a tube
or tube base thats conductive and shorting out elements.
Same for the volume control.

Is this a Wonder Bar radio? Sold my '58 Vette last year.
It was a junker, and missing the radio (and lots more).
Hope to get one in decent condition someday.

                                    Steve 




Article: 336579 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:25:06 -0400
From: Stewart Schooley <genus@ncweb.com>
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
References: <YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net> <12ag4l2s6trg3c8@corp.supernews.com>
Message-ID: <CdCdneo4vv8XgDXZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@bright.net>

Hagstar wrote:
> "Stewart Schooley" <genus@ncweb.com> wrote in message 
> news:YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net...
> 
>>Sometime back, probably a few years ago, It was mentioned here about using 
>>women's hairspray on old paper coned radio loudspeakers.
> 
> 
> Only on midranges and tweeter's- MEN'S hairspray should be used on woofers! 
> The softer hold gives a deeper tone and commanding soundstage.
> 
> John H. 
> 
> 
Which brand will give me Basso Profundo?

Stewart


Article: 336580 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:39:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
From: John Stone <jmsent2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C0CD8B20.4E214%jmsent2@comcast.net>
References: <YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net> <12ag4l2s6trg3c8@corp.supernews.com> <CdCdneo4vv8XgDXZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@bright.net>




On 7/2/06 2:25 PM, in article CdCdneo4vv8XgDXZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@bright.net,
"Stewart Schooley" <genus@ncweb.com> wrote:

> Hagstar wrote:
>> "Stewart Schooley" <genus@ncweb.com> wrote in message
>> news:YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net...
>> 
>>> Sometime back, probably a few years ago, It was mentioned here about using
>>> women's hairspray on old paper coned radio loudspeakers.
>> 
>> 
>> Only on midranges and tweeter's- MEN'S hairspray should be used on woofers!
>> The softer hold gives a deeper tone and commanding soundstage.
>> 
>> John H. 
>> 
>> 
> Which brand will give me Basso Profundo?
> 
I usually have that problem after Mexican Food.



Article: 336581 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Relative value 1947 and now (filesize 190k)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:05:38 -0400
Message-ID: <12ag9omgv01b9b7@news.supernews.com>
References: <12a163ej5penebc@news.supernews.com>   <jbyrns-0107061143270001@216-80-74-215.s215.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com> <1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com> <e87d4b$a4o$1@news2.kornet.net>

"Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
news:e87d4b$a4o$1@news2.kornet.net...
>
> "Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com...
>>> John Byrns wrote:
>>>> Why do so many of the Canadian AA5 & AA6 radios shown on this catalog 
>>>> page
>>>> that was posted on the alt.binaries.pictures.radio newsgroup include 
>>>> the
>>>> Long Wave band?  I didn't realize LW was used in Canada in 1947.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> John Byrns
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> "nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net> wrote in message 
>> news:1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Methinks that the ad guys were, perhaps, using 'long wave' to refer to
>>> standard broadcast since the sets are said to receive "Short Wave and
>>> Long Wave" with no mention of BC, yet the single band sets are called
>>> "Standard Broadcast".
>>> Given that, though, what about Newfoundland, which was just changing
>>> from British to Canadian about then, did they use LW for broadcasting??
>>> I think I have the GE version of that RCA in the top left and it is BC
>>> and SW.
>>> In any case, the prices were frightful when the wages for the 'common
>>> man' were in the $50-100/month range!!
>>>
>>> Neil S.
>>
>> I've no idea about John's Long Wave question, but the pricing question 
>> sure is astounding to me.  As I mentioned in the original post, the RCA 
>> metal lunch box portable radio was $89.95 in this catalogue!  Other pages 
>> show men's Kodiak 14" leather lace-up work boots for $13.95, and a Daisy 
>> 1000 shot air-rifle for $4.30, so where did they get off selling that 
>> radio for ninety dollars?
>>
>
> Can I hazard a guess that the radio tax was figured into the price in the 
> catalog?


Brenda, I'm not aware of any "radio tax" in Canada in this time period. 
Radios before WWII often carry a sticker that talks about $2, IIRC, but not 
at this point in time.





Article: 336582 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:19:36 -0400
From: Stewart Schooley <genus@ncweb.com>
Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers?
References: <YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net> <12ag4l2s6trg3c8@corp.supernews.com> <CdCdneo4vv8XgDXZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@bright.net> <C0CD8B20.4E214%jmsent2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6JydnQ7izoLMtzXZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@bright.net>


> I usually have that problem after Mexican Food.

John Stone,

Did you read this comment I posted to you in our other discussion?

> 
> I started a new thread about hairspray to flush out comments about cone treatments for old radio speakers, but it seems to be going nowhere.

Now I know what was flushed and where its going........Down the sewer!!! 
  [LOL]

Stewart
> 


Article: 336583 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Crosley 517
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:37:09 -0400
Message-ID: <12agbjoqgt66gcc@news.supernews.com>
References: <1151515680.732636.32150@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <mfgfa29b4tq72cjbd2of3inogr54ji597u@4ax.com>

"George H" <george563@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:mfgfa29b4tq72cjbd2of3inogr54ji597u@4ax.com...
> On 28 Jun 2006 10:28:00 -0700, "term" <mmj789@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>I have a Crosley model 517 (Fiver). Does anyone have a speaker they can
>>sell me, mine came without one.
>
> Anyone have a photo?

http://radioatticarchives.com/images/c/Crosley_517_(1937)_Shinn.jpg




Article: 336584 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: I Guess This Page Proves...
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <44a5b988$0$9844$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <19336-44A5D515-175@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <12aefgf60ghgoe1@corp.supernews.com>
Message-ID: <swWpg.811072$084.794085@attbi_s22>
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:03:20 GMT

In article <12aefgf60ghgoe1@corp.supernews.com>, yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net 
says...
>
>
>
>Snoopy's radios are kinda an abomination, Ken, admit it. I (and you) would 
>rather he sell them as he found them.
>
>John H. 
>
>
Is Snoopyradios Dennis in Orlando ... or is it Keith Roman from Apopka who 
used to sell under something like Scoobgz ?... Keith .. he is one true
radio butcher... 
John k9uwa



Article: 336585 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "philo" <philo@privacy.net>
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net> <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net> <e87e5f0qrf@news1.newsguy.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> <lPudnQQ29ZwzmzXZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@athenet.net>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:00:31 -0500
Message-ID: <R82dnSwv9J-b3zXZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@athenet.net>


<snip>
> >
>
>
>
> I am recording the tape right now.
>
> I did download Cool Edit 96   it looks like a good app...
> but if I have troubles with it I'll give ce2kmain   a try
>



Well . it's all recoreded...and Cool Edit did the trick...
I had to "slow down" the recording by about 6% and it sounds quite good.


thanks for the suggesstion




Article: 336586 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Relative value 1947 and now (filesize 190k)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:58:07 +0900
Message-ID: <e89iu8$26c$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <12a163ej5penebc@news.supernews.com>   <jbyrns-0107061143270001@216-80-74-215.s215.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com> <1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com> <e87d4b$a4o$1@news2.kornet.net> <12ag9omgv01b9b7@news.supernews.com>


"Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:12ag9omgv01b9b7@news.supernews.com...
> "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote in message 
> news:e87d4b$a4o$1@news2.kornet.net...
>>
>> "Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com...
>>>> John Byrns wrote:
>>>>> Why do so many of the Canadian AA5 & AA6 radios shown on this catalog 
>>>>> page
>>>>> that was posted on the alt.binaries.pictures.radio newsgroup include 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Long Wave band?  I didn't realize LW was used in Canada in 1947.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> John Byrns
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> "nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Methinks that the ad guys were, perhaps, using 'long wave' to refer to
>>>> standard broadcast since the sets are said to receive "Short Wave and
>>>> Long Wave" with no mention of BC, yet the single band sets are called
>>>> "Standard Broadcast".
>>>> Given that, though, what about Newfoundland, which was just changing
>>>> from British to Canadian about then, did they use LW for broadcasting??
>>>> I think I have the GE version of that RCA in the top left and it is BC
>>>> and SW.
>>>> In any case, the prices were frightful when the wages for the 'common
>>>> man' were in the $50-100/month range!!
>>>>
>>>> Neil S.
>>>
>>> I've no idea about John's Long Wave question, but the pricing question 
>>> sure is astounding to me.  As I mentioned in the original post, the RCA 
>>> metal lunch box portable radio was $89.95 in this catalogue!  Other 
>>> pages show men's Kodiak 14" leather lace-up work boots for $13.95, and a 
>>> Daisy 1000 shot air-rifle for $4.30, so where did they get off selling 
>>> that radio for ninety dollars?
>>>
>>
>> Can I hazard a guess that the radio tax was figured into the price in the 
>> catalog?
>
>
> Brenda, I'm not aware of any "radio tax" in Canada in this time period. 
> Radios before WWII often carry a sticker that talks about $2, IIRC, but 
> not at this point in time.

I've owned radios from Canada from at least as late as the mid 1950's that 
had tax stamps on them.  This includes car radios. And given that this is a 
mail order item, I would bet that the tax would have to be prepaid to insure 
that it got paid at all.





Article: 336587 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "k35454" <k35454@direct.ca>
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net> <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net> <e87e5f0qrf@news1.newsguy.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> <lPudnQQ29ZwzmzXZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@athenet.net> <R82dnSwv9J-b3zXZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@athenet.net>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Message-ID: <3oZpg.87874$4C3.63307@newsfe13.phx>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:19:46 -0700


"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:R82dnSwv9J-b3zXZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@athenet.net...

<snip>
> >
>
>
>
> I am recording the tape right now.
>
> I did download Cool Edit 96   it looks like a good app...
> but if I have troubles with it I'll give ce2kmain   a try
>



Well . it's all recoreded...and Cool Edit did the trick...
I had to "slow down" the recording by about 6% and it sounds quite good.


thanks for the suggesstion

             Where did you find Cool Edit 96 ?   k35454.




Article: 336588 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <UMOpg.6194$EJ3.5535@trnddc06>
Subject: Re: STRANGE Intermittent!
Message-ID: <B%Zpg.42$283.13@trnddc08>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:01:21 GMT

I'm just about done with this one.  The tone problem was a capacitor lead 
shorting against the volume control tap.  Also as I replaced electrolytics, 
one of them made a noticeable difference in sound.

It's all fine now, although the audio is still just a tad on the weak side. 
All voltages are fine, everything's normal, sound is clear, but it seems as 
though it could have just a little more volume.  Then -- I noticed, this is 
one of those goofy Delco radios with the 40-ohm speaker.  Actually it's a 4 
ohm speaker with a built-in transformer on it.  The restoration shop 
(Corvette specialist) told me the original speaker is also bad; I'll leave 
it up to them to find an original style.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:UMOpg.6194$EJ3.5535@trnddc06...
> I'm sure all of you who have spent time working on old radios have seen 
> your share of really strange problems.  Well, I just encountered a good 
> one.  The good news is that I found the solution, but just to make you 
> guys think, I'll give you the symptoms now and the solution after awhile.
>
> This is a Delco wonderbar radio from a 1958 Corvette.  This radio is 
> filthy dirty, but I can't blame anyone for wanting one of these fixed 
> up -- after all, there are some pretty stiff concours shows for Corvettes, 
> and these radios in ANY condition are worth a mint.
>
> The car is presently being restored.  The customer told me the radio had 
> worked up till now, then suddenly quit working.  I put it on the bench, 
> and it played fine.  However it indeed needed some serious cleaning, and 
> there were a few paper capacitors around the volume control that I thought 
> would be a good idea to replace.
>
> After some cleaning and recapping, I turned the radio on again.  Dead as a 
> doornail!  No sound, no stations, dead.  The radio was laying on its back 
> (on the heat sink), so I slanted it toward me to check a measurement. 
> Suddenly it came to life!  I moved around the 12DV8 in its socket, and the 
> sound cut in and out.  Aha!  Dirty tube socket!
>
> At this point I checked all the tubes, three were weak, including the 
> 12DV8. After replacing them, spraying cleaner into the sockets, and moving 
> the tubes around for better contact, I turned the radio on again.  Dead. 
> This time, wiggling the tubes made no difference whatsoever, it remained 
> dead.
>
> Now for the REALLY strange part -- I set the radio right-side-up, and it 
> began to play just fine.  Again I set it on its back, and it went dead. 
> Set it right side up again, plays fine.  Up-down-up-down, it works like a 
> mercury switch.  The "break" is at about a 45 degree angle, which is where 
> I wiggled the tube the first time.  In either position, tapping the PCB 
> with a tuning stick did nothing.  Wiggling wires and hitting the radio did 
> nothing. Inspection of the heat sink and its related insulators showed 
> nothing. Resoldering every connection on the PCB did nothing.  Yet every 
> time, if the radio sits upright, it goes dead, and if it sits normally it 
> plays.
>
> Troubleshooting even further, I've found no voltage changes when the radio 
> is moved.  Everything remains perfectly normal.  When dead, I get no audio 
> at the volume control, nothing in either IF, just dead.  Oscillator 
> appears to be running.  Antenna is fully inserted, and playing with the 
> connector did nothing.  Bottom line, everything on the PCB is solid, and I 
> can get no intermittent blips or static by tapping or banging the heck out 
> of it.  Yet, sitting right-side-up on the bench it plays fine, moving it 
> upright kills it.  Go figure.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
> 




Article: 336589 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Sealing Decals
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1151822074.018005.205370@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <oe_pg.60856$1i1.14574@attbi_s72>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:17:08 GMT

In article <1151822074.018005.205370@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
kenny33012@bellsouth.net says...
>
>
>Do I simply apply lacquer over it? If it were one of my models
>
>Ken
>

In a word ... yes... give it a couple days to dry first.. if there is
any moisture left under the decal.. it will blush white when you
hit it with the clear lacquer... but yes apply a couple of protective
coats of lacquer over the decals.
John k9uwa



Article: 336590 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: WTB: Grunow 7C Chassis model 750 and 751
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
Message-ID: <Fp_pg.16956$FQ1.13546@attbi_s71>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:29:09 GMT

Looking for a Grunow 750 or 751 chassis... rusty junker is fine..
I need some coils from the chassis.. this is a Grunow General Household
model 7C Chassis.. 

John k9uwa



Article: 336591 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:55:38 -0700
Message-ID: <e8a80h0r8v@news1.newsguy.com>
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net> <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net> <e87e5f0qrf@news1.newsguy.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net>

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> "Scott W. Harvey" wrote:
>> Search on the web for an old trial copy of Cool Edit 96. It has all the
>> features of the full version available, just not all at once-you select
>> the feature set from a list when you start the program. Yes, it is old,
>> but it still works under all subsequent versions of windows.
> 
> 
>    ce2kmain1.exe is the trial version I have.
> 
> 
That's Cool Edit 2000....which has all the features enabled in the trial 
version but "Save"....pretty useless. I found a trial copy of Cool Edit 
96 on the web and have posted it here:

http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/cool96/c96setup.exe

It is an excellent waveform editor...and it runs reasonably well even on 
very old hardware.

-Scott


Article: 336592 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:59:16 -0700
Message-ID: <e8a8741r8v@news1.newsguy.com>
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net> <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net> <e87e5f0qrf@news1.newsguy.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> <lPudnQQ29ZwzmzXZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@athenet.net> <R82dnSwv9J-b3zXZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@athenet.net> <3oZpg.87874$4C3.63307@newsfe13.phx>

k35454 wrote:
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:R82dnSwv9J-b3zXZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@athenet.net...
> 
> <snip>
>>
>>
>> I am recording the tape right now.
>>
>> I did download Cool Edit 96   it looks like a good app...
>> but if I have troubles with it I'll give ce2kmain   a try
>>
> 
> 
> 
> Well . it's all recoreded...and Cool Edit did the trick...
> I had to "slow down" the recording by about 6% and it sounds quite good.
> 
> 
> thanks for the suggesstion
> 
>              Where did you find Cool Edit 96 ?   k35454.
> 
> 
I plugged "Cool Edit 96" into google, and a site that had it was the 
second or third hit down.

I have posted it here:

http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/cool96/c96setup.exe

-Scott



Article: 336593 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 00:14:56 -0500
Message-ID: <28261-44A8A7D0-534@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <R82dnSwv9J-b3zXZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@athenet.net>

Blueberry,female doggy,get your hind left foot out o' me arse!
www.cattledog.com
cuhulin



Article: 336594 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: VTVM's
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:45:32 -0700
Message-ID: <l2iha25trk3luns0ig1kmasgotn67vrkqh@4ax.com>
References: <fSvog.19244$Gh.7806@trnddc02> <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <eds5a29bjienrg52h57r7k5rpeafh22le2@4ax.com> <fah9a2p27dnd7q2nlvkg9do186kid1qf8g@4ax.com> <e83g45$pcn$1@theodyn.ncf.ca> <t85da2h1tsut1bbg2b2ui4rfepfcv5n6s7@4ax.com> <Fyzpg.81387$mF2.27407@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 18:55:33 GMT, "Weldon Nudlpudl"
<weldon@nudlpudl.com> wrote:

>On  1-Jul-2006, DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Bob Allen destroyed AT&T.
>
>Et maintenant les Français ont traîné le cadavre de Bell Labs à leur chambre à coucher. <snip>

Mais oui, la compagnie française Alcatel possède maintenant Lucent et
ce qui reste des Laboratoires. Quelle triste ! Quelle tragique !
Quelle... normale. J'ai travaillé avec Alcatel sur de nombreux
ocassions. Ils ne pourraient pas faire un plus mauvais travail que
cela qui a été fait par AT&T.

Alors!  Les crayons et les stylos marchent dans les Champs-Elysées
avec les livres et les oeufs à la bibliothèque de Paris!  C'est
magnifique, ne c'est pas?  Mais, Inspecteur Clouseau étudie et aura un
rapport circonstancié.

Charles Nudo, aka "CAINE" et 66fourdoor, est un grand morceau de
merde.  C'est vraiment!


Article: 336595 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FS-Hickok variable power supply-6.3/12.6 VAC/-100 to 400 VDC-$25
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:46:30 -0700
Message-ID: <spiha2l91j97eeok8bitt9ftvm2qftsstv@4ax.com>
References: <1151666941.837328.13480@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1151668289.025933.209340@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <fgcpg.16862$Z67.12661@tornado.socal.rr.com> <Aalpg.99$F63.38@trnddc05> <1151755246.148440.131730@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151777678.560206.84930@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 1 Jul 2006 11:14:38 -0700, "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I think you're an asshole. <snip>

Your opinion is quite correct, plus he's a petty thief and criminal.


Article: 336596 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FS-Hickok variable power supply-6.3/12.6 VAC/-100 to 400 VDC-$25
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:47:47 -0700
Message-ID: <9siha25s4478v230ojlkmftuchlq6gamjl@4ax.com>
References: <1151666941.837328.13480@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1151668289.025933.209340@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <fgcpg.16862$Z67.12661@tornado.socal.rr.com> <1151800673.566432.145250@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 1 Jul 2006 17:37:53 -0700, smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com wrote:

>there can't be too much wrong with it, is has 2 bids already, and 20
>watchers- the damn thing is a steal at that price- a new one goes for
>$500 or more on Ebay <snip>

ANYTHING on eBay from 66fourdoor, aka Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA, is
suspect.


Article: 336597 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (OT) Bell Labs [was Re: VTVM's]
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:49:46 -0700
Message-ID: <0uiha25n0l5pcch9v541e6nrqrt3ac1a9a@4ax.com>
References: <fSvog.19244$Gh.7806@trnddc02> <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <eds5a29bjienrg52h57r7k5rpeafh22le2@4ax.com> <fah9a2p27dnd7q2nlvkg9do186kid1qf8g@4ax.com> <e83g45$pcn$1@theodyn.ncf.ca> <t85da2h1tsut1bbg2b2ui4rfepfcv5n6s7@4ax.com> <Fyzpg.81387$mF2.27407@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <LQzpg.76245$4L1.5514@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:14:51 GMT, "Carter, k8vt" <k8vt@ameritech.net>
wrote:

>Did they at least spin off the little piece of the Labs that was to stay 
>in America to deal with their classified/government work? <snip>

No, the whole former AT&T part of the Labs is now part of Alcatel.
AT&T, through Bob Allen's bumbling and stupidity, lost most of their
government/military contracts, including Sandia Labs, in the '90s. The
"other" part of the Labs, "Bellcore," which was given to the RBOCs, is
still a going concern and they do have numerous government contracts.


Article: 336598 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "philo" <philo@privacy.net>
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net> <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net> <e87e5f0qrf@news1.newsguy.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> <e8a80h0r8v@news1.newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:24:35 -0500
Message-ID: <FbmdndW_mOnVSTXZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@athenet.net>


<snip>
> >
> >
> It is an excellent waveform editor...and it runs reasonably well even on
> very old hardware.
>

The copywrite date on CoolEdit96  is 1992-1996...
so I'd hope it would run on older h/w  <g>4




Article: 336599 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 06:47:55 -0500
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
From: John Stone <jmsent2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C0CE6E1B.4E284%jmsent2@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <LeKdnTnXqJiMODrZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 7/3/06 5:39 AM, in article
1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
"gerryu21220@gmail.com" <gerryu21220@gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> 8 Ohm woofer, 8 Ohm tweeter - not 16.  Two 8 Ohm wired in series
> results in 16 Ohm, then combine those in parallel with a 16 Ohm = 8 Ohm
> final result.
> 
>> 
>>> Question is, what capacitor and inductor combination should I use?
>> 
>> What frequency do you want to cross them over at?
> 
> I have no idea.  That's the dilemma.

>>> I found this chart, but it's rather confusing:
>>> http://colomar.com/Shavano/crossover6db.html
>> 
>> What's confusing? Just pick values from the chart.
> 
> I don't know how to decide the crossover point.  What point is typical
> for vintage early 60s speakers?
> 
Ok. Your calculations above are theoretically correct but utterly useless
for the exercise. You can't just run drivers in series without a crossover.
Now, regarding crossover point. We are talking about a 4" tweeter and an 8"
woofer, both cheap. The cone area of the tweeter should be sufficient to
allow a crossover point between 1-2khz. This also helps get the woofer to
roll off before getting too directional or going into breakup. So, split the
difference and choose, say, 1.5kHKz. Keep in mind that what your are doing
here is very crude. It doesn't take into account the actual frequency
response of the drivers--it assumes they are flat, and they probably aren't.
Second, it assumes an exact 8 ohm impedance, which they will not have.
Finally, it doesn't take into account the sensitivity difference between the
2 drivers. You can adjust this somewhat by using an L pad in front of the
tweeter network. So as long as you're willing to accept these limitations,
the above suggestion should work.






Article: 336600 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <LeKdnTnXqJiMODrZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:00:03 -0700
Message-ID: <BP2dnR8AzMVymzTZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com>

> I don't know how to decide the crossover point.
> What point is typical for vintage early 60s speakers?

There is no typical value. It depends on the frequency range each driver can
cover well.

It's worth noting that your original question (if I recall correctly) was
about reducing the impedance to get more power out of the amp, which you
mistakenly believed could be accomplished with a crossover.

If you've got a 10" or 12" woofer, and a 3" or 4" tweeter, you might try
1kHz. But unless you measure them, you're not going to know.




Article: 336601 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <12aeghnsg35cg4f@corp.supernews.com> <1151924712.864810.42450@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:01:48 -0700
Message-ID: <0rGdncnhJsLdmjTZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com>

> Interestingly, I've found that several have *only* a capacitor (one in
> particular is 1K MDF, if I recall).  There's even a schematic pasted
> inside which shows only a capacitor - no inductor.  Quite puzzling
> after reading about crossovers.

Not at all. The woofer eventually rolls off, usually above 1kHz. If it rolls
off at the "right" frequency, you don't need an inductor. Woofers are often
designed to roll off at a lower frequency than they would "naturally", to
eliminate the need for a coil.




Article: 336602 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <1151879916.752940.278950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151925313.318353.166810@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:03:07 -0700
Message-ID: <LNGdnRnXKcsQmjTZnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com>

> That is what I am trying to accomplish. What I've been trying to
> determine is what the crossover point should be, and whether it
> should be 6 DB or 12 DB...

It would usually be 6dB/8ve, as this is the cheapest way to do it.




Article: 336603 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Sealing Decals
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:21:25 -0600
Message-ID: <19336-44A919D5-656@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <oe_pg.60856$1i1.14574@attbi_s72>

Put a coat of lacquer on the cabinet let that dry then apply the decals
 They only need to dry for a short while Then continue with the lacquer
 You will have the most trouble free finish using Deft lacquer . 
I was given some Mowhawk spray can lacquer and tried it one last time on
an old oak mirror frame and once again it went bad .. should have known
better .. you would not want this to happen on your decals unless you
have replacement decals .
The Mowhawk lacquer went on great and looks great till it dries the next
day then it shows chalky residue in every corner and grain . I cant fix
it , have to re-strip   



Article: 336604 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: I Guess This Page Proves...
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:36:18 -0600
Message-ID: <19337-44A91D52-190@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <swWpg.811072$084.794085@attbi_s22>

This was said...

Snoopy's radios are kinda an abomination, Ken, admit it. I (and you)
would rather he sell them as he found them. 
John H. 

Is Snoopyradios Dennis in Orlando ... or is it Keith Roman from Apopka
who used to sell under something like Scoobgz ?... Keith .. he is one
true radio butcher... 
John k9uwa


Ok .. ok i suppose you could say that but are these radios any worse
than receiving them as found ? you would have to refinish and recloth
anyway ..... ??..... And i find a refinish way easier to remove :-) The
only bad thing would be if he was stripping perfect original finishes . 
Chassis can always be reworked 

John glad you are getting your land fixed up . 



Article: 336605 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:45:05 -0600
Message-ID: <19336-44A91F61-659@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
References: <21652-44A7EB91-424@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>

I could use some consoles here . I fix & resell . To bad you guys are so
far off . My neighbor is a long haul truck driver .. maybe i should find
out if he drives past ``your house``



Article: 336606 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <1151879916.752940.278950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <1151925313.318353.166810@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>   <LNGdnRnXKcsQmjTZnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com> <1151935377.305767.54650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:09:01 -0700
Message-ID: <KuednbREZLmSuDTZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com>

> 8ve???

octave




Article: 336607 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <LeKdnTnXqJiMODrZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <BP2dnR8AzMVymzTZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:11:17 -0700
Message-ID: <MZOdnd34XLoKuDTZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>

>> If you've got a 10" or 12" woofer, and a 3" or 4" tweeter,
>> you might try 1kHz. But unless you measure them,
>> you're not going to know.

> How do you measure them?

With a calibrated mic.

I think you'd be better off grabbing a bunch of non-polarized electrolytic
caps, in the range for a 500 Hz to 4kz crossover as given in the list, and
experiment to see which you like.

There is no way anyone can give you more than general advice at a distance.
There is no way to "rationally" design a crossover for two unknown drivers.




Article: 336608 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul Dietenberger" <pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com>
References: <44a5b988$0$9844$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <19336-44A5D515-175@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <12aefgf60ghgoe1@corp.supernews.com> <swWpg.811072$084.794085@attbi_s22>
Subject: Re: I Guess This Page Proves...
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:22:54 -0500
Message-ID: <44a91ae6$0$9824$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message 
news:swWpg.811072$084.794085@attbi_s22...
> Is Snoopyradios Dennis in Orlando ... or is it Keith Roman from Apopka who
> used to sell under something like Scoobgz ?... Keith .. he is one true
> radio butcher...

The guy on the Forum who went to pick up a radio from Snoopyradios 
identified the older of a father-son team as Keith (now his son Steve does 
the work) but whether it's the same Keith I can't say. Seems  pretty 
coincidental though.

p 



-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com



Article: 336609 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS)
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:47:59 GMT
Message-ID: <e8ban0$r8l$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <LeKdnTnXqJiMODrZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <BP2dnR8AzMVymzTZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <MZOdnd34XLoKuDTZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>

In article <MZOdnd34XLoKuDTZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> If you've got a 10" or 12" woofer, and a 3" or 4" tweeter,
>>> you might try 1kHz. But unless you measure them,
>>> you're not going to know.
>
>> How do you measure them?
>
>With a calibrated mic.
>
>I think you'd be better off grabbing a bunch of non-polarized electrolytic
>caps, in the range for a 500 Hz to 4kz crossover as given in the list, and
>experiment to see which you like.
>
>There is no way anyone can give you more than general advice at a distance.
>There is no way to "rationally" design a crossover for two unknown drivers.

It sounded like the poster was going to try 1- 8 inch 8 ohm and a tweeter.
Just use 1 cap on the tweeter, but youu have to adjust the sensitivity with
series parallel resistors, which also changes the crossover frequency.
I would hook up the system to a pink noise source and make adjustments untill
it sounded right, and had decent on and off axis response. There must be another
amplifier sysytem to make experiments on!!??

greg


Article: 336610 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:53:34 -0400
Message-ID: <4gspbiF1o0t45U1@individual.net>
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net> <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net> <e87e5f0qrf@news1.newsguy.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> <e8a80h0r8v@news1.newsguy.com>

Scott W. Harvey wrote:

> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> "Scott W. Harvey" wrote:
>>> Search on the web for an old trial copy of Cool Edit 96. It has all the
>>> features of the full version available, just not all at once-you select
>>> the feature set from a list when you start the program. Yes, it is old,
>>> but it still works under all subsequent versions of windows.
>> 
>> 
>>    ce2kmain1.exe is the trial version I have.
>> 
>> 
> That's Cool Edit 2000....which has all the features enabled in the trial
> version but "Save"....pretty useless. I found a trial copy of Cool Edit
> 96 on the web and have posted it here:
> 
> http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/cool96/c96setup.exe
> 
> It is an excellent waveform editor...and it runs reasonably well even on
> very old hardware.
> 
> -Scott


There is also a open source application called audacity. it is a
unix/linux/bsd app, however, it has also been ported to windows.
it's got more features than that older version of cool edit.
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
-- 
The Shadow Knows


Article: 336611 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Bill Janssen <billj@ieee.org>
Subject: Re: (OT) Bell Labs [was Re: VTVM's]
References: <fSvog.19244$Gh.7806@trnddc02> <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <eds5a29bjienrg52h57r7k5rpeafh22le2@4ax.com> <fah9a2p27dnd7q2nlvkg9do186kid1qf8g@4ax.com> <e83g45$pcn$1@theodyn.ncf.ca> <t85da2h1tsut1bbg2b2ui4rfepfcv5n6s7@4ax.com> <Fyzpg.81387$mF2.27407@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <LQzpg.76245$4L1.5514@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com> <0uiha25n0l5pcch9v541e6nrqrt3ac1a9a@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <gsaqg.4806$Oh1.924@news01.roc.ny>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:11:08 GMT

DeserTBoB wrote:

>On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:14:51 GMT, "Carter, k8vt" <k8vt@ameritech.net>
>wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Did they at least spin off the little piece of the Labs that was to stay 
>>in America to deal with their classified/government work? <snip>
>>    
>>
>
>No, the whole former AT&T part of the Labs is now part of Alcatel.
>AT&T, through Bob Allen's bumbling and stupidity, lost most of their
>government/military contracts, including Sandia Labs, in the '90s. The
>"other" part of the Labs, "Bellcore," which was given to the RBOCs, is
>still a going concern and they do have numerous government contracts.
>  
>
And Bellcore is now Telcordia.

Bill K7NOM


Article: 336612 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:09:42 -0500
Message-ID: <21652-44A93336-573@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4gspbiF1o0t45U1@individual.net>

I used to listen to the Shadow (and that creaking door) on radio back in
the 1940's and 1950's.
cuhulin



Article: 336613 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: I Guess This Page Proves...
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <44a5b988$0$9844$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <19336-44A5D515-175@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <12aefgf60ghgoe1@corp.supernews.com> <swWpg.811072$084.794085@attbi_s22> <44a91ae6$0$9824$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>
Message-ID: <uwbqg.1056651$xm3.250172@attbi_s21>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:23:54 GMT

In article <44a91ae6$0$9824$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, 
pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com says...
>
>
>The guy on the Forum who went to pick up a radio from Snoopyradios 
>identified the older of a father-son team as Keith (now his son Steve does 
>the work) but whether it's the same Keith I can't say. Seems  pretty 
>coincidental though.
>
>p 

No Question about it Paul ... Keith Roman and his son Steve... 

Interesting story here... this was prior to me knowing who the guy
was... I am at Renningers in Mt Dora, FL .. large room full of restored
looking radios and junkeboxes.. this guy and his son and wife are
setting there eatting their lunch ... there is a console there that
I know a guy looking for that exact model... so I ask these people if
they were the owners of the radios... yup they are ours.. so I tell the
guy I know someone that wants this one particular radio... and I tried
to ask the guy a couple of questions about his restoration on it and the 
refinish job on it... he got real arrogant and nasty as hell with me...
I finally just walked away... amazing when someone is trying to pass
a customer onto the guy to sell one of his radios and he wouldn't
answer questions about it... 

later I found out from other Florida Collectors / Restorers just what
a real jerk this guy is... and just how badly he messes up the
chassis work on his radios... I saw two of them ...true butcher jobs!

John k9uwa



Article: 336614 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
Subject: LANSING THIS WEEKEND...SUNNY AND 78 DEGREES
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:49:28 -0400
Message-ID: <LradnTQqHZuQ1zTZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com>

RE:  MARC "Extravaganza" in Lansing, Michigan

Just looked at the weather for this weekend in Lansing for Thurs (set up
night, no selling or display of items), Friday and Saturday.  Looks to be
sunny and highs of 78, lows down to 62 at night.  Basically, perfect for the
USA's largest antique radio swap meet!

see www.michiganantiqueradio.org  and click on Extravaganza.

The host hotel is the Holiday Inn South.  For rooms, call 517-694-8123
Mention MARC,  I dont know if there are still special room rates available.

I hear there are still  rooms available in the area.  The listing in the
MARC brochure shows these places are nearby , the same exit 104 off I-96)
Best Western  517- 393-5500
Days Inn   517-393-1650
Econolodge  517-394-7200
Ramada Ltd  517-694-0454
Super 8  517-393-8008
Regent Inn  517-393-2030

Michigan is suffering the worst economy in the nation, we have a one state
recession here.  Come visit and help us out!   Plus, this show has the
LARGEST quantity of stuff !!!   All the biggest dealers come... Alan
Jesperson,  Bruce Maeger of Waves in NYC,  lots of others.  Expect to see
the unexpected.

the general public bring their sets in too, and often offer them for sale...
you just never know what will show up.

The socializing is extensive here too.  The Friday nite "Radio Reception" is
the best antique radio social event anywhere.  As always, a  HUGE display
radios in the contest, and this year featurning Philco for its 100th
anniversary.  Should be fantastic.

Mark Oppat
MARC publicity volunteer.






Article: 336615 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Old answering machine
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:32:00 -0700
Message-ID: <sihia2leel63igjo741bc9nhjusur2u3bh@4ax.com>
References: <La2dndKp2sTAwTvZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@athenet.net> <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <Y4ydndhkZ6f7eDvZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@athenet.net> <e87e5f0qrf@news1.newsguy.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> <e8a80h0r8v@news1.newsguy.com> <4gspbiF1o0t45U1@individual.net>

On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:53:34 -0400, Radio Rambler <jim@jam.com> wrote:

>There is also a open source application called audacity. <snip>

Recommended.  I sometimes prefer its utility over ProTools.


Article: 336616 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05> <HkQpg.59344$3B.6368@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <12afl12i5l6rq6a@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'...
Message-ID: <dWbqg.1453$283.732@trnddc08>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:51:21 GMT

We never did find out what city Elmer's supposed to live in.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net> wrote in message 
news:12afl12i5l6rq6a@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Bill Jeffrey" <wjeffrey@TAKE-THIS-OUTalum.mit.edu> wrote in message 
> news:HkQpg.59344$3B.6368@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Gary -  You're showing your age (too young!)
>
> Look at this eBay seller, for whom 1978 is an ancient time just after 
> World War 2 and Steve Martin's monster hit a complete mystery-
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280002373916
>
> Willy was a young boy, he never thought he'd see
> People stand in line just to see the boy king.
>
> King Tut, buried with a donkey,
> Funky Tut, he's my favorite honky
>
> Born in Arizona, moved to Babalona
> King Tut
>
> *&*&*&*&*
>
> John H.
> 




Article: 336617 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:36:50 -0700
Message-ID: <qlhia25ka35bi4f453mutd1hmsebtr799g@4ax.com>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <LeKdnTnXqJiMODrZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 3 Jul 2006 03:39:42 -0700, "gerryu21220@gmail.com"
<gerryu21220@gmail.com> wrote:


>8 Ohm woofer, 8 Ohm tweeter - not 16.  Two 8 Ohm wired in series
>results in 16 Ohm, then combine those in parallel with a 16 Ohm = 8 Ohm
>final result. <snip>

Do NOT do this to midrange or tweeters.  The phase shift through the
voice coils will cause major comb filtering in the acoustic output,
especially on tweeters.  Many people can't tell the difference, but
it's there, and awful sounding if you know what you're listening to.
You can get away with it on woofers (and lower midranges, as well) but
anything over about 4-5 KHz, you run the risk of masking entire small
portions of the spectrum by running drivers in series.  After all, a
voice coil, as well as being a motor, is an inductor.  If you must,
run higher impedance drivers in parallel, such as two 16s for an 8 ohm
load to the crossover.  Also, when doing so, the higher L due to
multiple drivers must be considered when calculating reactive elements
in the crossover circuit.


Article: 336618 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Caveat Lector" <UALLBeware@9984reader.com>
References: <4gspbiF1o0t45U1@individual.net> <21652-44A93336-573@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: The shadow and creaking doors
Message-ID: <awcqg.217$_M.11@fed1read04>
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:31:54 -0700

The creaking door was on "INNER SANCTUM MYSTERY"
Best remembered for the opening and closing signature of the Creaking Door. 
Spine-tingling stories of man-eating plants, immortal killers, zombies, 
vampires, wolfmen, and witches were among the bone-chilling terrors heard 
every week.
URL:
http://www.bostonpete.com/isbn-0970331037.html

And as for the shadow -- he just didn't get it

He asked every week  "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?"

correct answer
women know



-- 
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






<cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message 
news:21652-44A93336-573@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net...
>I used to listen to the Shadow (and that creaking door) on radio back in
> the 1940's and 1950's.
> cuhulin
> 




Article: 336619 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <LradnTQqHZuQ1zTZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: LANSING THIS WEEKEND...SUNNY AND 78 DEGREES
Message-ID: <2Ycqg.1674$Su4.80@newsfe24.lga>
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:03:21 -0500


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message
news:LradnTQqHZuQ1zTZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com...
> RE:  MARC "Extravaganza" in Lansing, Michigan
>
> Just looked at the weather for this weekend in Lansing for Thurs (set up
> night, no selling or display of items), Friday and Saturday.  Looks to be
> sunny and highs of 78, lows down to 62 at night.  Basically, perfect for
the
> USA's largest antique radio swap meet!
>
> see www.michiganantiqueradio.org  and click on Extravaganza.
>
> The host hotel is the Holiday Inn South.  For rooms, call 517-694-8123
> Mention MARC,  I dont know if there are still special room rates
available.
>
> I hear there are still  rooms available in the area.  The listing in the
> MARC brochure shows these places are nearby , the same exit 104 off I-96)
> Best Western  517- 393-5500
> Days Inn   517-393-1650
> Econolodge  517-394-7200
> Ramada Ltd  517-694-0454
> Super 8  517-393-8008
> Regent Inn  517-393-2030
>
> Michigan is suffering the worst economy in the nation, we have a one state
> recession here.  Come visit and help us out!   Plus, this show has the
> LARGEST quantity of stuff !!!   All the biggest dealers come... Alan
> Jesperson,  Bruce Maeger of Waves in NYC,  lots of others.  Expect to see
> the unexpected.
>
> the general public bring their sets in too, and often offer them for
sale...
> you just never know what will show up.
>
> The socializing is extensive here too.  The Friday nite "Radio Reception"
is
> the best antique radio social event anywhere.  As always, a  HUGE display
> radios in the contest, and this year featurning Philco for its 100th
> anniversary.  Should be fantastic.
>
> Mark Oppat
> MARC publicity volunteer.
>

Hope you all enjoy it.  I was going to take holiday time
and drive from Winnipeg this year, but it didn't work
out.  That's one event I want to attend  at least once,
as much to meet some people on this NG as to shop.
Maybe after retirement...
Nelson




Article: 336620 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
Subject: Solution -- how to fix a spring!
Message-ID: <u5dqg.1465$283.1168@trnddc08>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 18:11:38 GMT

Have you ever run into a problem where a little spring has been stretched 
out too much?  You either search through some old cigar boxes looking for a 
suitable replacement, or else try to cut off a few turns in an attempt to 
get a little tension back into it.  Well, I just found a way to actually FIX 
it!

Today I've been working on a 66 Lincoln radio, which happens to be a Delco 
wonderbar.  Yes it is -- that's a story for another time.  Anyway, the 
return solenoid refused to work, and it's because the return switch didn't 
make contact.  I removed and disassembled the switch, and the spring was 
badly stretched out.  It was as though somebody grabbed one end and pulled 
hard.  The spring was over twice the length it was supposed to be.  By the 
way, we're talking about a very small spring, about 1/16th diameter and 1/4 
inch long -- well, about 3/4 now.

So here's the fix:  I took the spring to the bench in the garage and put the 
end in a vise, so it stuck out horizontally.  I then lit a propane torch. 
With one hand I grabbed a pair of needle nose, put it on the loose end of 
the spring, and tried to compress it.  With the other hand I put the tip of 
the flame to the spring.  Within a second, the spring easily compressed and 
stayed there!  I moved the torch away and held the spring with the pliers 
for another minute to cool, then removed it from the vise.  Perfect!

I just saved the trouble of trying to locate another original Delco return 
switch!  This one works perfectly now.

-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 336621 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <12aeghnsg35cg4f@corp.supernews.com>   <1151924712.864810.42450@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <0rGdncnhJsLdmjTZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151949187.319360.232920@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:30:43 -0700
Message-ID: <e9adnf9Km7b4_zTZnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com>

>> Not at all. The woofer eventually rolls off, usually above 1kHz.
>> If it rolls off at the "right" frequency, you don't need an inductor.
>> Woofers are often designed to roll off at a lower frequency than
>> they would "naturally", to eliminate the need for a coil.

> What does that do to the impedence, if anything?

Nothing, usually. The effect is primarily mechanical.




Article: 336622 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <LeKdnTnXqJiMODrZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <BP2dnR8AzMVymzTZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <MZOdnd34XLoKuDTZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151949054.835842.274980@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:35:38 -0700
Message-ID: <rZOdnaCD45YR_jTZnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@comcast.com>

> Looks like that's what I may have to do.  I'll try a few from the chart
> on that website and see (hear) which I like best.  I hope they are
> inexpensive.  Do they *have* to be (non-polarized) electrolytic?
> Would mylar film or orange ceramic do?

I recommended non-polarized electrolytic caps because they're cheaper than
Mylars. (They used to be.) Ceramics don't have high-enough values to be
useful.




Article: 336623 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Ken Doyle" <kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com>
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: '93 Mazda Cassette Deck - Advice Needed
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:30:04 -0400
Message-ID: <RtydnXrruem37TTZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>

If you can still get a belt kit for it, it might be worth taking it apart
for a cleaning and service.  If the belt kit is NLA, then forget it.

Ken D.

"toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Not an antique but it does have a radio.  :-]
>
> The tape transport seems to be stuck with a tape in it.  It went IN but
> not DOWN into the deck and it won't go the rest of the way IN nor will
> it come OUT.  This is an auto reverse, auto (electric) eject type (not
> mechanical).  It's a stock item, not aftermarket.  It has been working
> fine other than the fact that sometimes it goes into fast speed when
> you put a tape in so the music is playing real fast.  That appears
> unrelated and is only occasional.  This stuck thing happened suddenly.
>
> Anything simple I can do to fix it?  Cleaning, lube, screw
> tightening...or is it toast?  The car has 100,000 on it so I'm not
> looking to spend a lot of dough.  Advice appreciated.
>
> Tox
>




Article: 336624 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:07:51 -0500
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
From: John Stone <jmsent2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C0CEE347.4E33B%jmsent2@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <LeKdnTnXqJiMODrZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <BP2dnR8AzMVymzTZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <MZOdnd34XLoKuDTZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151949054.835842.274980@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <rZOdnaCD45YR_jTZnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151956492.375621.155820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>

Forget Radio Shack
Go to:
www.madisound.com
They will have what you need.
Round off the values to the nearest one they sell. It will be plenty close.
Buy the cheapest types of coils and caps they have. They will be plenty good
for what you are doing
And-cross the tweeter in lower than 3200 Hz. Try 1500 as a starting point.


On 7/3/06 2:54 PM, in article
1151956492.375621.155820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
"gerryu21220@gmail.com" <gerryu21220@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> William Sommerwerck wrote:
> 
>> I recommended non-polarized electrolytic caps because they're cheaper than
>> Mylars. (They used to be.) Ceramics don't have high-enough values to be
>> useful.
> 
> Thanks, but then there is the issue of such oddball values.  I see only
> a few non-polarized caps at Radio Shack, and none seem to match up with
> the list.  And they don't list "inductors", but rather "wirewound
> resistors"...  they also didn't list them with values of "mH".  For
> instance, if I wanted to try to crossover at 3200 Hz, the list calls
> for 6.2 uf and 0.4 mH.  If I have to combine two or more of each, why
> not list the combinations using standard values that would get the
> desired final value?  Can someone point me to EXACTLY what I would need
> to buy?
> 
> Shavano even says: "First order crossovers are fairly simple to
> implement."  That statement is SO wrong...
> 



Article: 336625 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <LeKdnTnXqJiMODrZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <BP2dnR8AzMVymzTZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <MZOdnd34XLoKuDTZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151949054.835842.274980@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <rZOdnaCD45YR_jTZnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151956492.375621.155820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:41:08 -0700
Message-ID: <mYWdnRArpaxrHTTZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com>

> Thanks, but then there is the issue of such oddball values.
> I see only a few non-polarized caps at Radio Shack, and
> none seem to match up with the list. And they don't list
> "inductors", but rather "wirewound resistors"...  they also
> didn't list them with values of "mH". For instance, if I wanted
> to try to crossover at 3200 Hz, the list calls for 6.2 uf and
> 0.4 mH.  If I have to combine two or more of each, why not
> not list the combinations using standard values that would
> get the desired final value? Can someone point me to
> EXACTLY what I would need to buy?

The values aren't critical. A change of 25% moves the crossover point by
only 1/3 of an octave.

Capacitors can be wired in parallel, and inductors in series, to get larger
values. The values add directly.

A wirewound resistor is not an inductor -- at least not intentionally.

Again, experimentation will tell a hundred times more than trying to blindly
follow a table. Remember, you're working with cheap, low-quality drivers -- 
an "exact" crossover is hardly necessary.




Article: 336626 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Daniele" <dastREMOVE@tuberadio.it>
Subject: Question about output transformers
Message-ID: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:57:54 GMT

I'm not too much into audio engineering and projecting,
but, i'd like to understand something about better sounding radios.
If the output transformer is so important in frequency response,
knowing that a set works up to 7-9Khz.. if i change the original
transformer with a modern one let's say a 20khz... will i improve
audio performances or have i to modify the circuitry?

--

Daniele     ^___^
http://www.tuberadio.it




Article: 336627 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Check out this $10,000 Zenith Trans-Oceanic Radio
From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," <Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net>
References: <o6udnaBrwpFPuQLZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@adelphia.com> <qMqog.68267$mF2.47737@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <Ekgqg.307954$Fs1.16884@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:52:36 GMT

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:06:46 GMT, Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 00:05:40 GMT, Rick Yerke wrote:
> 
> <URL:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150000896741>
>> Both $10,000 bidders have 0 feedback
>> Good luck to the seller to try and collect the money when the auction 
>> ends.
> 
> The seller is apparently overwhelmed by the fantasy of collection, as the bids have been allowed to stand -- and thus to block legitimate bids for smaller sums.  At this point, I rather hope that the seller has already spent the $10,400.

Given that he ignored advice to cancel those two bids, it is time to send Nelson-laughs to that seller: <URL:http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQuestion&requested=radiosphonos&iid=150000896741&frm=284&redirect=0&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_VI>


Article: 336628 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "graham" <grahamiba@comcast.net>
References: <1151666941.837328.13480@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>   <1151668289.025933.209340@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <fgcpg.16862$Z67.12661@tornado.socal.rr.com>   <Aalpg.99$F63.38@trnddc05> <1151955616.059540.307980@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: FS-Hickok variable power supply-6.3/12.6 VAC/-100 to 400 VDC-$25
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:59:59 -0700
Message-ID: <IfidnWuJv7bDDjTZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com>


>> >> CAINE wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&item=140002919491&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
>
> correction- make that 24 watchers, 4 bids, and $56 and climbing
>
> re: what IS wrong with RadioGary ?   he's taking his frustrations out
> on an inanimate piece of test equipment !
>
> (laughter...)


... WOW, and if it goes up another $100.00 you will have equaled your total
     eBay sales in the last 30 days ... that might cover your listing fees ...

... BTW: how is that junk selling on AudioGon? Oh my gosh, it still all there
    and still you have NO feedback ... maybe the power supply sale will
    cover AudioGon fees too ... one can always hope! 




Article: 336629 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Question about output transformers
Date: 3 Jul 2006 15:51:34 -0700
Message-ID: <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
References: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it>


toxcrusadr wrote:
> Daniele wrote:
>
> > knowing that a set works up to 7-9Khz.. if i change the original
> > transformer with a modern one let's say a 20khz... will i improve
> > audio performances or have i to modify the circuitry?
>
> I am going to take a stab at this and someone tell me if I'm wrong.  On
> AM (broadcast), the bandwidth is only 10KHz, so that is the maximum
> range of audio frequencies that can be carried.  A transformer capable
> of reproducing 20 KHz audio will have no signal to work with that high
> anyway.  One that is really good to 10 MIGHT make a difference IF the
> station is actually broadcasting the information at those frequencies,
> AND the rest of the radio has the bandwidth to handle it.  My answer
> is, biiiig "maybe."

 10 kHz is a FCC limitation, but no commercial AM station an any
sizable market puts out usable content at 10 kHz anymore. Indeed, Clear
Channel has throttled back bandwidth to 5 or 6 khz on all its stations.

 Further no old radio has a speaker that works that high.

 If you want the full bandwidth from AM radio build or buy a tuner and
feed it into a hi-fi system. But as a rule there isn't any there.



Article: 336630 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken <wklwns@cox.net>
Subject: Vibrator Powered Radios
Message-ID: <qDhqg.11961$f76.11678@dukeread06>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 19:20:48 -0400

Anyone have a feel for the current pulled by a 40's 6 volt radio and the 
later 12 volt sets? Ken



Article: 336631 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Solution -- how to fix a spring!
From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," <Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net>
References: <u5dqg.1465$283.1168@trnddc08> <1151950747.059179.18700@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <%Dhqg.89526$mF2.27055@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:21:31 GMT

On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:19:07 GMT, nesesu wrote:

> Usually, heating a
> tempered spring removes all the temper and it becomes a coil of soft
> iron wire.

That could be addressed by quenching.  Of course, one would have to either know a fair amount of metallurgy or engage in a lot of experimentation to quench properly.  'Twould be nice to see a folkwisdom assembled.


Article: 336632 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Question about output transformers
Date: 3 Jul 2006 16:40:20 -0700
Message-ID: <1151970020.581741.266450@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
References: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it>

I have found that in most pleasant sounding radios, there is a
fortuitous combination of audio circuit, tuner circuit, audio
transformer, output tubes, and speaker. I once had a 7 tube Admiral
wood table set with a single 41 output and 8" e-d speaker. It sounded
great to my old ears. Many of the Zeniths sound boomy because of their
bass-boost circuits. They use OP xformers that are puny. OP xformers
are one piece of the puzzle. I've often wondered what a big Zenith
console would sound like if I installed a large HIFI OP xformer.
Unfortunately, I think the higher freq noise would become more obvious.
Keep in mind that the old speakers have lots of limitations and really
don't sound that good compared to modern designs.



Article: 336633 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: pgonshor@aol.com
Subject: Atwater Kent 82 cathedral for trade
Date: 3 Jul 2006 16:54:45 -0700
Message-ID: <1151970885.346844.302400@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>

I have an excellent and working AK82 cathedral, one of the ones with
the turned posts on the front.  It is in really good shape.  As I have
another, I thought I'd see what kind of trade could be done before I
put it on ebay.  It would be nice to get something that I want to keep
rather than get bucks for it.  Any takers?  I'm interested in lots of
things and don't collect specific types of radios, just anything that
strikes my fancy.
Dave

AK 82:  original knobs, original grill cloth, nicely refinished in
lacquer, no rust on the chassis, filters replaced, original speaker,
original tube shields, original power tranny, small veneer repair on
the right side (you have to look hard to see it), otherwise excellent
veneer and finish.



Article: 336634 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com>
Subject: Re: Vibrator Powered Radios
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:45 +0900
Message-ID: <e8cbgf$85u$1@news2.kornet.net>
References: <qDhqg.11961$f76.11678@dukeread06>


"Ken" <wklwns@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:qDhqg.11961$f76.11678@dukeread06...
> Anyone have a feel for the current pulled by a 40's 6 volt radio and the 
> later 12 volt sets? Ken
>

Judging solely from the value of the standard fuses for those radios, I 
would estimate a 6 volt radio pulled around 10 amps (14 amp fuse) and a 12 
volt around 5 amps (7 amp fuse).





Article: 336635 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim DeClercq <jimd@panix1.panix.com>
Subject: Re: Cassette Decks: Where to get belts?
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:19:40 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e8cc6s$37n$1@reader2.panix.com>
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <RtydnXrruem37TTZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1151962006.396902.291040@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

Would you believe Detroit Ball Bearing? Take a stretched belt to a place 
that sells bearings, and they will have an o-ring in just the right size. 
You will have to buy a pack of several, so one shelf in my refrigerator 
door is partly filled with open packs of o-rings. The last pack was bought 
to fix a clamshell record player, the second last to fix an 8-track 
player.

Jim

toxcrusadr <cadyc@mchsi.com> writes:


: Ken Doyle wrote:
: > If you can still get a belt kit for it, it might be worth taking it apart
: > for a cleaning and service.  If the belt kit is NLA, then forget it.

: Thanks to one and all for the advice.  Where can you get belts for
: cassette decks?  Both auto and home.  I also have some VCRs that seem
: to work find other than making horrible noises, is this a belt slippage
: problem?  Where to you guys get your belts?  (And don't say down at the
: bar!)

: Tox


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Article: 336636 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <qDhqg.11961$f76.11678@dukeread06>
Subject: Re: Vibrator Powered Radios
Message-ID: <PBiqg.273$Og3.241@trnddc06>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:27:27 GMT

I suppose you're referring to car radios, which nearly always used a 14 amp 
fuse in the circuit.  Typical current draw when playing is around 7 amps, 
give or take.

For a 12 volt radio you can pretty much cut that in half.  They usually take 
a 7 amp fuse, and generally draw 3-4 amps when playing.  Of course hybrids 
and transistor types draw considerably less.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com



"Ken" <wklwns@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:qDhqg.11961$f76.11678@dukeread06...
> Anyone have a feel for the current pulled by a 40's 6 volt radio and the 
> later 12 volt sets? Ken
> 




Article: 336637 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "vintagetubesales" <ewilmart@gmail.com>
Subject: Steinmetz Electronics inventory sold to Vintagetubesales.com
Date: 3 Jul 2006 18:41:46 -0700
Message-ID: <1151977306.569206.206100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>

A message to all interested in buying vacuum tubes at bargain prices. I
have purchased the inventory of Steinmetz Electronics. An extensive
tube inventory will be posted within 30 days.
You may view my inventory at Vintagetubesales.com. Feel free to inquire
at ewilmart@gmail.com for information before website is finished. The
website should be up and running within 30 days. I would enjoy hearing
suggestions, comments, and any advice you may have. I also have a
quanity of military AN/USM-118B cardamatic tube testers and cards,
original Sams Photofacts, Rider manuals and schematics. I will also be
listing many radios, parts, etc. There will be constant website
additions and updates, please check back often.
Thanks, Ed Wilmart, Vintage Tube Sales.



Article: 336638 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Type 640 Mercury Battery Replacement
From: noone@telus.com
References: <1151847426.789810.80160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <EtmdnWnPFd1PTjrZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <fBkqg.101871$A8.50785@clgrps12>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 02:43:23 GMT


On  2-Jul-2006, "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

> PS: I forgot to mention that zinc-air batteries are mostly for light-drain
> applications. They wouldn't be appropriate for higher-drain applications,
such as radios.  Some of these radios (such as the classic SR-Q460F) take
four cells. That's $140 in adapters.>

Being the crazy owner of way too many Micronic Rubys, Sonys and Rubins, and
going broke buying 460 batteries, I found another alternative.  A NiMH 100H
cell (~2.7 volts).  They do require an easily made adaptor for each battery,
not as elaborate as the one mentioned in an earlier post.  I'm using them
with success in several radios - they have the advantage of being
rechargeable too (in fact the USSR Rubins were originally supplied with an
oddball ("unobtainium" of course) NiCad military battery.  The Rubin radios
came with a charger which is able to charge the NiMHs for all my radios.
Happy to help out anyone interested if they drop me a line.

Haggis.


Article: 336639 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Radios wanted Portland Salem areas
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:47:44 -0600
Message-ID: <10260-44A9D6D0-196@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net>

I will be in the northwest sometime in the next 2 months in the Portland
, Sellwood , Oregon City , Canby ,Aurora , Woodburn , Salem ,
and any reasonable surrounding areas of those .I will be on the 84
freeway from Idaho through to Portland and can stop along but not to far
off that rout as time permits .  If you have any radios for sale let me
know . Looking for decent mostly unrestored project sets .     



Article: 336640 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: djep1@juno.com
Subject: RCA K105 "C" band antenna
Date: 3 Jul 2006 20:14:07 -0700
Message-ID: <1151982847.090296.304860@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

   Does anyone have access to an RCA K105 console, and could you
scribble up the dimensions for the "C" band antenna? As I recall, it's
a mild steel rod bent into shape and stapled to the top of the
cabinet... The set I am working on now is missing it, I figured I could
"reformulate" a coat hanger into a suitable replacement...

Jeff  San Diego, Ca.



Article: 336641 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" <gerryu21220@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: 3 Jul 2006 20:22:46 -0700
Message-ID: <1151983366.094143.63050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>


William Sommerwerck wrote:
> >> Not at all. The woofer eventually rolls off, usually above 1kHz.
> >> If it rolls off at the "right" frequency, you don't need an inductor.
> >> Woofers are often designed to roll off at a lower frequency than
> >> they would "naturally", to eliminate the need for a coil.
>
> > What does that do to the impedence, if anything?
>
> Nothing, usually. The effect is primarily mechanical.

An interesting and puzzling discovery:  After yanking the Soundesign
towers apart (literally), I discovered that the "electronic crossover
network" touted on the back label consisted of nothing more than a 4 uf
capacitor.  That same label also said that they were 8 ohm, 15 watts,
and consisted of an 8" woofer and 3" tweeter.  What is puzzling is that
they were both 8 ohm speakers wired in parallel, with the capacitor
attached to the positive side of the tweeter.  So apparently, a
capacitor alone DOES affect the impedence even without a coil just as
stated above, much the same as an actual capacitor/inductor
combination.  Everything I've read, and also actually checking another
pair wired in parallel with no capacitor says that they should have
become 4 ohm - if indeed the capacitor had no effect on impedence.  I
checked these as wired and together they still show as being about 8
ohm.

So - is it actually possible to do the same with my vintage set, which
also consists of an 8" woofer and 4" (rather than 3") tweeter, both 8
ohm, and still come up with 8 ohm for the set?  Perhaps trying
different values and checking each...?

Originally, the vintage set did have an 8K electrolytic capactior
connected to the tweeter, but the polarized type and connected on the
negative side rather than positive.  This caused a delay in the
speakers coming on when attached to an amp, and the tweeter did not
work, so I had removed it.  Whoever put it in there installed the wrong
type on the wrong side.  Once removed and then wired in series, I
tested them with the amp again, and they gave a rich, full sound that
wasn't there with that cap installed and they were wired in parallel.
That put them at 16 ohm, which is what I needed for a particular amp.
(I was not aware at that time that some kind of crossover was required,
and they did play just fine.  In fact they're still playing just fine
as I currently have them wired...  However, they are kept at low
volume, which could explain why they still work with no damage to the
tweeter.)

Or should I just give up on the vintage set once and for all and just
go with the modern ones in the vintage cabinets?

(On a side note, the vintage speaker cabinets turned out to not to have
been speaker cabinets originally.  They were made by the previous owner
>from some vintage blonde furniture.  Very convincing - enough too fool
me until I got them home!  Even so, I like how they look, and will
continue using them.)



Article: 336642 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" <gerryu21220@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: 3 Jul 2006 20:34:12 -0700
Message-ID: <1151984052.833475.200650@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>


gerryu21220@gmail.com wrote:

> Originally, the vintage set did have an 8K electrolytic capactior
> connected to the tweeter, but the polarized type and connected on the
> negative side rather than positive.

Oops - I meant 8 MFD, not 8K.  My point is, could that be a clue as to
what the vintage set had originally?  An 8 uf non-polarized
electroylitic capacitor?



Article: 336643 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <21652-44A7EB91-424@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <19336-44A91F61-659@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:05:39 -0400
Message-ID: <Eqydna5DuqIVdTTZnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com>

where are you Ken?   Dan Gutowski, Bill Timoszyk and I all ship consoles
across the country via Greyhound Bus.   Up to 100lbs across the USA is about
$85,  plus packing costs.  Also, you can suggest this to sellers on eBay
sometimes they dont know they can do it.   You must insist on LARGE bubble
wrap, 5 times around the item.  You and the seller need to be accessable to
a Greyhound station, obviously.
Dan, Bill and I will also have sets at Lansing this weekend.

Mark Oppat


"Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19336-44A91F61-659@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net...
> I could use some consoles here . I fix & resell . To bad you guys are so
> far off . My neighbor is a long haul truck driver .. maybe i should find
> out if he drives past ``your house``
>
>





Article: 336644 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: donlk@webtv.net (Gridleak)
Subject: Re: Solution -- how to fix a spring!
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:57:57 -0600
Message-ID: <10260-44A9E745-213@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net>
References: <%Dhqg.89526$mF2.27055@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>

Good springs made of (of course) spring steel are sometimes difficult to
anneal as it is hard to cool them slow enough. You lucked out and got
some hardness back as it cooled. 
I have made many springs for guns and an old trick for works for small
springs is to anneal the spring so it is soft and do any shaping or
winding that is required. Then harden the spring by heating to red heat
and  quenching in oil . Be very careful now as the spring is very
brittle and is easily broken. It now needs tempering at a very even
temperature and is usually a job for an exert. But a trick that works
90% of the time is to get an empty tin can and dent in the remaining lid
so that you have a depression that will hold the spring. Fill the
depression with lube oil (most any will do) and drop in the hardened
spring making sure it is covered with the oil. Using a propane torch
heat the oil until it ignites,  leave it alone until the oil burns out
and let it cool naturally. 
You should have good spring.

DON
AC7PD





















Article: 336645 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 03:04:46 -0400
From: Tom Adkins <newton5@remove.comcast.net>
Subject: Re: LANSING THIS WEEKEND...SUNNY AND 78 DEGREES
References: <LradnTQqHZuQ1zTZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <qvednQAij91fjzfZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Mark Oppat wrote:
> RE:  MARC "Extravaganza" in Lansing, Michigan
> 
> Just looked at the weather for this weekend in Lansing for Thurs (set up
> night, no selling or display of items), Friday and Saturday.  Looks to be
> sunny and highs of 78, lows down to 62 at night.  Basically, perfect for the
> USA's largest antique radio swap meet!
> 

  Man, I was "there" until 3 weeks ago. Priorities changed my plans. Mark, like I said 
before, I'd like to see a full report on the group once it's over. That meet is a 
"must attend" for collectors from anywhere who can make it. I attended last in 1994 
and it was a premiere event even then. I can only imagine now. Those folks in Michigan 
strive to make it a great meet. (They even offer dental service ;) ).


Article: 336646 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_MY_REAL@email.com>
Subject: Re: '93 Mazda Cassette Deck - Advice Needed
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:46:31 -0700
Message-ID: <e8crra0i07@news3.newsguy.com>
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <RtydnXrruem37TTZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>

Ken Doyle wrote:
> If you can still get a belt kit for it, it might be worth taking it apart
> for a cleaning and service.  If the belt kit is NLA, then forget it.
> 
> Ken D.
> 
> "toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> Not an antique but it does have a radio.  :-]
>>
>> The tape transport seems to be stuck with a tape in it.  It went IN but
>> not DOWN into the deck and it won't go the rest of the way IN nor will
>> it come OUT.  This is an auto reverse, auto (electric) eject type (not
>> mechanical).  It's a stock item, not aftermarket.  It has been working
>> fine other than the fact that sometimes it goes into fast speed when
>> you put a tape in so the music is playing real fast.  That appears
>> unrelated and is only occasional.  This stuck thing happened suddenly.
>>
>> Anything simple I can do to fix it?  Cleaning, lube, screw
>> tightening...or is it toast?  The car has 100,000 on it so I'm not
>> looking to spend a lot of dough.  Advice appreciated.
>>
>> Tox
>>
> 
> 
Judging from the symptoms, it sounds like the grease used to lube the 
sliding parts has taken on a lot of grit or has petrified. Both are 
common complaints in a car deck, and easily remedied by cleaning off the 
old lubricant and applying a fresh coat.

Typically, these things have an arm or lever at the rear of the cassette 
slot that moves when the cassette is inserted; It is the movement of 
this arm that triggers the cassette and the rest of the mechanicals to 
drop down onto the hubs and push the pinch roller(s) against the capstan.

Replacing the belt(s) is also warranted, given the age of the unit. Some 
vendors sell kits for individual models, more often you will just have 
to measure the diameter of and width of the existing belt(s) and look 
for a replacement on-line.

-Scott


Article: 336647 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Question about output transformers
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:07:08 -0700
Message-ID: <6l4ka2l8hhae7i15e2nqs0b1mcbipf5t71@4ax.com>
References: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it> <1151961768.106465.160360@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

On 3 Jul 2006 15:51:34 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> 10 kHz is a FCC limitation, but no commercial AM station an any
>sizable market puts out usable content at 10 kHz anymore. Indeed, Clear
>Channel has throttled back bandwidth to 5 or 6 khz on all its stations. <snip>

True.  When my Accuphase T100 was new, there was still music on AM,
and some of the better stations actually had some HF signal.  Prior to
private MW feeds, telco program channels were the only way to get
signal reliably to a remote transmitter, and the best Bell System
offering for decades was 8 KHz, until the advent of FM, when 15 KHz
tariffed lines showed up.  Now, why had a good tuner?  Everything put
out by Queer Channel is crap, now made crappier by telephonic
frequency response.  Who needs HF energy for Flush Limpdick, anyway?
(well...he's not a limp dick anymore, not smuggling all that illegal
Viagra into the country, anyway!  He may to go prison this time...with
any luck, at least.)
>
> Further no old radio has a speaker that works that high. <snip>

True.

> If you want the full bandwidth from AM radio build or buy a tuner and
>feed it into a hi-fi system. But as a rule there isn't any there. <snip>

The best "tuner" ever built that I know of that had MORE than 10 KHz
selectable IF bandwidth was the Accuphase.  Of course, any good R390,
as hams will attest, will do the same and with greater sensitivity,
and coverage from DC to light...sorta.


Article: 336648 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Cassette Decks: Where to get belts?
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:09:47 -0700
Message-ID: <7v4ka2d20uspml0qh7ff7brb4qjn672mak@4ax.com>
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <RtydnXrruem37TTZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1151962006.396902.291040@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <e8cc6s$37n$1@reader2.panix.com>

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:19:40 +0000 (UTC), Jim DeClercq
<jimd@panix1.panix.com> wrote:

>Would you believe Detroit Ball Bearing? Take a stretched belt to a place 
>that sells bearings, and they will have an o-ring in just the right size. <snip>

Nonesense.  This won't work for sqaure cut and ribbon type drive
belts, and O-rings are NOT made to be stretched and stressed as are
drive belts.  They will fail in short order.

Drive belts are available at many locations online.  Action
Electronics in Anaheim has a large selection, as do many others.


Article: 336649 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: OT: '93 Mazda Cassette Deck - Advice Needed
Date: 4 Jul 2006 04:17:00 -0700
Message-ID: <1152011820.512263.65830@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>


toxcrusadr wrote:
> Not an antique but it does have a radio.  :-]
>
> The tape transport seems to be stuck with a tape in it.  It went IN but
> not DOWN into the deck and it won't go the rest of the way IN nor will
> it come OUT.  This is an auto reverse, auto (electric) eject type (not
> mechanical).  It's a stock item, not aftermarket.  It has been working
> fine other than the fact that sometimes it goes into fast speed when
> you put a tape in so the music is playing real fast.  That appears
> unrelated and is only occasional.  This stuck thing happened suddenly.
>
> Anything simple I can do to fix it?  Cleaning, lube, screw
> tightening...or is it toast?  The car has 100,000 on it so I'm not
> looking to spend a lot of dough.  Advice appreciated.
>
> Tox


http://www.studiosoundelectronics.com/cassette.htm#BELT

this place has any size drive belt you need



Article: 336650 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Check out this $10,000 Zenith Trans-Oceanic Radio
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:43:24 -0700
Message-ID: <8a6ka2h58o3mf3be4dpb0mbuva92pkqu2c@4ax.com>
References: <o6udnaBrwpFPuQLZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@adelphia.com> <qMqog.68267$mF2.47737@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <Ekgqg.307954$Fs1.16884@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>

On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:52:36 GMT, "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian,"
<Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>> <URL:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150000896741>
>>> Both $10,000 bidders have 0 feedback
>>> Good luck to the seller to try and collect the money when the auction 
>>> ends. <snip>

Pretty obvious that someone's screwing with the seller, although this
just could be yet another whacky Oriental collector obsessed with
"owning America" and having the bucks to do it.  However, I must admit
gawking longingly at that radio...it's as fine an example as I've seen
since the year it was made!  My R390 may be a far more capable
receiver, but those TOs had class...and portability!  A true monument
to days when the US made the best of everything.  Now, we make nothing
at all and are in rapid political and economic decline, which may be
why it looks so appealing now.  Here's to those better times, despite
'58 being the year of the "Ike Recession"...and the Edsel.  At least
the latter can be reasoned away by pinning it on the Ford family
drunk, King Henry II.


Article: 336651 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken <wklwns@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Vibrator Powered Radios
References: <qDhqg.11961$f76.11678@dukeread06>
Message-ID: <kIsqg.12015$f76.10469@dukeread06>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 07:56:57 -0400

Thanks all, Ken

Ken wrote:

> Anyone have a feel for the current pulled by a 40's 6 volt radio and the 
> later 12 volt sets? Ken
> 



Article: 336652 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:39:02 -0400
Message-ID: <12akrs2jrut4h70@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <LeKdnTnXqJiMODrZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   <BP2dnR8AzMVymzTZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <MZOdnd34XLoKuDTZnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151949054.835842.274980@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <rZOdnaCD45YR_jTZnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151956492.375621.155820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>


<gerryu21220@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1151956492.375621.155820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
>> I recommended non-polarized electrolytic caps because they're cheaper 
>> than
>> Mylars. (They used to be.) Ceramics don't have high-enough values to be
>> useful.
>
> Thanks, but then there is the issue of such oddball values.

Your ears won't care if you choose the particular crossover points according 
to available values that fall in the correct range (I know this irks control 
freaks). There's a lot of overlap between drivers anyway. 2800 Hz. for 
example using a 5 mfd cap for a 2nd order Butterworth and a .65 Mh inductor 
(this is a coil of magnet wire so making your own is easy enough, or 
subtract turns from a pre made larger value inductor).

John H. 




Article: 336653 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jim DeClercq <jimd@panix1.panix.com>
Subject: Re: Cassette Decks: Where to get belts?
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:39:21 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <e8dr28$bb2$1@reader2.panix.com>
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <RtydnXrruem37TTZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1151962006.396902.291040@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <e8cc6s$37n$1@reader2.panix.com> <7v4ka2d20uspml0qh7ff7brb4qjn672mak@4ax.com>

Only half nonsense. Of course, o-rings will not work for ribbon belts. The 
8-track had a square cut, and round works for that. Anything called an 
elastomer, such as o-rings, is designed, by definition, to stretch to 
twice its length without damage. Maybe what I wrote was only a quarter 
nonsense. 

Jim

DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net> writes:

: On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:19:40 +0000 (UTC), Jim DeClercq
: <jimd@panix1.panix.com> wrote:

: >Would you believe Detroit Ball Bearing? Take a stretched belt to a 
place : >that sells bearings, and they will have an o-ring in just the 
right size. <snip>

: Nonesense.  This won't work for sqaure cut and ribbon type drive
: belts, and O-rings are NOT made to be stretched and stressed as are
: drive belts.  They will fail in short order.

: Drive belts are available at many locations online.  Action
: Electronics in Anaheim has a large selection, as do many others.

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Article: 336654 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:41:03 -0400
Message-ID: <12akrvreadam099@corp.supernews.com>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <12aeghnsg35cg4f@corp.supernews.com>   <1151924712.864810.42450@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <0rGdncnhJsLdmjTZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151949187.319360.232920@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   <e9adnf9Km7b4_zTZnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151983366.094143.63050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1151984052.833475.200650@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>


 PS- Mylars are cheap enough at this voltage, and William of ALL people 
should know 'lytics don't sound quite as good.

John h. 




Article: 336655 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <12aeghnsg35cg4f@corp.supernews.com>   <1151924712.864810.42450@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <0rGdncnhJsLdmjTZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151949187.319360.232920@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   <e9adnf9Km7b4_zTZnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com>   <1151983366.094143.63050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1151984052.833475.200650@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <12akrvreadam099@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: More Speaker questions...
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 07:03:54 -0700
Message-ID: <noydndLo1Kr96DfZnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com>

> Mylars are cheap enough at this voltage, and William of
> ALL people should know 'lytics don't sound quite as good.

Yup. But we're talking cheap speakers here.




Article: 336656 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Check out this $10,000 Zenith Trans-Oceanic Radio
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <o6udnaBrwpFPuQLZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@adelphia.com> <qMqog.68267$mF2.47737@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <gAuqg.1058183$xm3.300413@attbi_s21>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:05:00 GMT

In article <qMqog.68267$mF2.47737@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, 
Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net says...
>
>
>The seller is apparently overwhelmed by the fantasy of collection, as the 
>bids have been allowed to stand -- and thus to block legitimate bi


not such a big deal really... auction ends.. bidder either coughs up the
money or else he doesn't.. in which case Joe gets relief from ebay for
the commissions to ebay and relists the radio... in case you hadn't
looked he also has a 2nd one up nearly identical.. and in that one is
a comment about the 10K auction..

John k9uwa



Article: 336657 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing)
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <21652-44A7EB91-424@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <19336-44A91F61-659@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <Eqydna5DuqIVdTTZnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <SDuqg.1058188$xm3.708457@attbi_s21>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:08:50 GMT

In article <Eqydna5DuqIVdTTZnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com>, 
moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says...
>
>
>"Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:19336-44A91F61-659@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net...
>> I could use some consoles here . I fix & resell . To bad you guys are so
>> far off . My neighbor is a long haul truck driver .. maybe i should find
>> out if he drives past ``your house``
>>

loaded up 14 consoles into the trailer for a one way trip to Lansing
yesterday .. one has $100 price tag on it.. the others are all less
than that.. mostly complete radios... just that there are way to
many of them here! More to load today!... 

Ken.. you could probably take $1000 to lansing and leave with well more
than a dozen consoles...

John k9uwa



Article: 336658 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: LANSING THIS WEEKEND...SUNNY AND 78 DEGREES
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <LradnTQqHZuQ1zTZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com> <2Ycqg.1674$Su4.80@newsfe24.lga>
Message-ID: <KJuqg.815232$084.365989@attbi_s22>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:15:06 GMT

In article <2Ycqg.1674$Su4.80@newsfe24.lga>, ngietz@mts.net says...
>
>
>
>> you just never know what will show up.
>>
>> The socializing is extensive here too.  The Friday nite "Radio Reception"
>>
>>
>> Mark Oppat
>> MARC publicity volunteer.

I love the "Thursday Nite" Bull Sessions under the big tent! As well of 
course the rest of the show!

John k9uwa



Article: 336659 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Question about output transformers
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it> <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <6Puqg.815242$084.625391@attbi_s22>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:20:50 GMT

In article <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, 
bretldwig@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>
> 10 kHz is a FCC limitation, but no commercial AM station an any
>sizable market puts out usable content at 10 kHz anymore. Indeed, Clear
>Channel has throttled back bandwidth to 5 or 6 khz on all its stations.
>

This is probably why whenever WOWO here in Ft Wayne runs "George"
that the station sounds so much better than normal with the new
transmitter ... "George" is the old Westinghouse 50KW transmitter...

George gets run at least one day per month.. 

John k9uwa



Article: 336660 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: RCA K105 "C" band antenna
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1151982847.090296.304860@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <OQuqg.815245$084.650334@attbi_s22>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:22:39 GMT

In article <1151982847.090296.304860@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
djep1@juno.com says...
>
>
>   Does anyone have access to an RCA K105 console, and could you
>scribble up the dimensions for the "C" band antenna? As I recall, it's
>a mild steel rod bent into shape and stapled to the top of the
>cabinet... The set I am working on now is missing it, I figured I could
>"reformulate" a coat hanger into a suitable replacement...
>
>Jeff  San Diego, Ca.
>


Hi Jeff ... yup one of the Consoles I loaded into my trailer for
the one way trip to Lansing is an RCA K-105 and the antenna is
in top of the radio... will measure it for you...

John k9uwa



Article: 336661 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
Subject: Upcoming Swap Meet
Message-ID: <O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:34:22 GMT

It's probably a little early to post the official reminder, but the next 
Sarasota Swap Meet is Saturday August 5, at the Knights of Columbus hall.

As you recall, it was at last year's poorly attended meet that I decided to 
take matters into my own hands and do something.  So for December I promoted 
the heck out of it, and it paid off.  April was another success.  Now comes 
August, which is usually the least attended of the year but this time who 
knows.  So there are no new plans for August -- just keep doing what we did 
the last two times.  However -- December's coming.  First off, I fully 
intend to make the December show better than last year, and second, as of 
last week I've got the dubious honor of being elected President of the club. 
Hopefully this means I'll have just a little more sway in bringing some new 
ideas to fruition.

Now -- I need your help in collecting data.  This particular meet is open 
>from 8 to 11 -- three hours.  We have around 130 "regulars" on our mailing 
list, however I don't have a figure for attendance, nor do I have one for 
vendors -- but I'm trying to get these numbers.  Admission is $5, with 
spouse free, and vendors are $5 per table, with presently no provision for 
prepayment/reservation.  (This is what we have now -- like I said, I want to 
make changes, particularly to the prices, hours, and reservation policy.)

What I'd like to know is, what are the specifics of the other shows -- both 
the big and the small?  Is it a few hours, is it all day, weekend, or Friday 
plus weekend?  What is the admission charge?  What is the vendor charge, for 
reservation and day of event?  How many vendors are there?  How many attend? 
How many run the show?

I don't need exact figures, and I'm not trying to pry into anyone's 
business.  I'm just trying to assemble some sample models to work from, to 
get ideas for this one.

I might also add that, although I've never attended any of the larger radio 
events (but would like to in the future), I'm indeed a regular at car shows, 
and in the past have helped with very similar (large) events related to 
model trains.  Yes there are differences, but there are similarities.

Also, some of you who may be involved in clubs, I wouldn't mind getting more 
information of similar aspects of the clubs as well.

Thanks.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 336662 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: RCA K105 "C" band antenna
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1151982847.090296.304860@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <G2vqg.815261$084.326962@attbi_s22>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:37:26 GMT

In article <1151982847.090296.304860@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
djep1@juno.com says...
>
>
>   Does anyone have access to an RCA K105 console, and could you
>scribble up the dimensions for the "C" band antenna? As I recall, it's
>a mild steel rod bent into shape and stapled to the top of the
>cabinet... The set I am working on now is missing it, I figured I could
>"reformulate" a coat hanger into a suitable replacement...
>
>Jeff  San Diego, Ca.
>


Hi Jeff ... the antenna is a single run of about wire size #20 
The antenna itself is 13 inches of wire by 6 inches of wire plus
the lead length is 8 inches ... so your total wire length including
the leads is 13 + 13 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 = 54 inches... the size
of the wire won't make much difference ... just the length of it..

I noticed the pricetag I put on the radio yesterday 50 bucks...
the spreader bar across the rear back is falling apart.. cabinet
needs to be striped and refinished but the wood is all good in
it... both antennas are there... it almost works.. noticed this
morning one wire to the lower antenna is disconnected is probably
why I didn't hear any stations on it yesterday .. all knobs are
there .. all pushbuttons are there... Its just that I have too
many radios here... this one is going away.. 

I take it Jeff that you have that little 2 pin plug from the C band 
antenna into the chassis?.. 

John k9uwa



Article: 336663 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "radionutz" <dmign@earthlink.net>
References: <C0C5F2C7.1104B%nlaudio@sbcglobal.net> <D-ydnT9x2-coFT3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com> <i7d3a2todre25ttnj9331kd99rt8f1mc7c@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: TUBE ID HELP, PLEASE
Message-ID: <O4vqg.2857$cd3.1750@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:39:42 GMT

Hey Alan;
I don't mean to beat a dead horse but is there any further word on the 
re-prints of your 20s books?

DON

"Alan Douglas" <adouglasatgis.net> wrote in message 
news:i7d3a2todre25ttnj9331kd99rt8f1mc7c@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>   Bootleg tubes were common around 1922. $5 for a real UV200 was a
> lot of money at the time.  Bootleggers often used bases from
> burned-out tubes.  It's marked "detector" because they couldn't pump a
> good enough vacuum for an amplifier tube.  There were also
> tube-rebuilding services advertised.
>
> Alan 




Article: 336664 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Steinmetz Electronics inventory sold to Vintagetubesales.com
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1151977306.569206.206100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <R9vqg.815271$084.446388@attbi_s22>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:45:05 GMT

In article <1151977306.569206.206100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, 
ewilmart@gmail.com says...
>
>
>There will be constant website
>additions and updates, please check back often.
>Thanks, Ed Wilmart, Vintage Tube Sales.
>

Yo Ed   Vintagetubesales.com came up that the Domain name is registered 
at Network Solutions.. but nothing else.. just under construction
etc...????????????????

John k9uwa



Article: 336665 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:19:22 -0600
Message-ID: <28138-44AA86FA-1071@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net>
References: <SDuqg.1058188$xm3.708457@attbi_s21>

Thanks guys . I`m clear over in Idaho . The cost of travel would kill it
 



Article: 336666 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
Subject: great links page!
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:49:34 -0400
Message-ID: <LKSdnVaFZ8MfEDfZnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@comcast.com>

Just happened onto this page again... and thought it deserved everyone's
attention....its got most of the best antique radio sites....

http://www.radioattic.com/links.htm

Well worth a look and a bookmark!

Mark Oppat





Article: 336667 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <SDuqg.1058188$xm3.708457@attbi_s21> <28138-44AA86FA-1071@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:05:49 -0400
Message-ID: <LJWdnaMOoI_SDDfZnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@comcast.com>

Arie Breed lives in Iowa,  if you could get there, I think he might want to
share a drive!

Try to network with others out your way.

Another great show is the Bolingbrook ARCI event just SW of Chicago in early
August.

We have collectors from California who drive or fly in to Lansing for
Extravaganza.  Since console radios sell for 3X our prices in CA, there are
some dealers who load up here.

Mark Oppat


"Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28138-44AA86FA-1071@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net...
> Thanks guys . I`m clear over in Idaho . The cost of travel would kill it
>
>
>





Article: 336668 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet
Message-ID: <3Ewqg.6139$4c7.3777@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:25:35 GMT

even the best flea markets are only going to be good for about
3 or 4 hours a day. In Charlotte ours starts at 8AM of Friday, by 11:30
or so is mainly folks just wondering around looking at stuff for the
third or forth time and visiting. That's why we other events like our
auction
in the afternoon.
Our Saturday only swap meets start around 7 or 8 and are all done
before 11AM.
I've had folks call it a waste of time because it ends so early.
I have no way to control how long the vendors stay,
when they run out of stuff to sale or just get tired, they pack and
go home.
With no other programs to fill the time, maybe starting late afternoon
Friday and continuing it on Saturday morning would work.
But unless there's something big happening don't expect many people
to still be there after noon Saturday.

I've been involved with the Charlotte show since 1979.

Ron

Gary Tayman <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06...
> It's probably a little early to post the official reminder, but the next
> Sarasota Swap Meet is Saturday August 5, at the Knights of Columbus hall.
>
> As you recall, it was at last year's poorly attended meet that I decided
to
> take matters into my own hands and do something.  So for December I
promoted
> the heck out of it, and it paid off.  April was another success.  Now
comes
> August, which is usually the least attended of the year but this time who
> knows.  So there are no new plans for August -- just keep doing what we
did
> the last two times.  However -- December's coming.  First off, I fully
> intend to make the December show better than last year, and second, as of
> last week I've got the dubious honor of being elected President of the
club.
> Hopefully this means I'll have just a little more sway in bringing some
new
> ideas to fruition.
>
> Now -- I need your help in collecting data.  This particular meet is open
> from 8 to 11 -- three hours.  We have around 130 "regulars" on our mailing
> list, however I don't have a figure for attendance, nor do I have one for
> vendors -- but I'm trying to get these numbers.  Admission is $5, with
> spouse free, and vendors are $5 per table, with presently no provision for
> prepayment/reservation.  (This is what we have now -- like I said, I want
to
> make changes, particularly to the prices, hours, and reservation policy.)
>
> What I'd like to know is, what are the specifics of the other shows --
both
> the big and the small?  Is it a few hours, is it all day, weekend, or
Friday
> plus weekend?  What is the admission charge?  What is the vendor charge,
for
> reservation and day of event?  How many vendors are there?  How many
attend?
> How many run the show?
>
> I don't need exact figures, and I'm not trying to pry into anyone's
> business.  I'm just trying to assemble some sample models to work from, to
> get ideas for this one.
>
> I might also add that, although I've never attended any of the larger
radio
> events (but would like to in the future), I'm indeed a regular at car
shows,
> and in the past have helped with very similar (large) events related to
> model trains.  Yes there are differences, but there are similarities.
>
> Also, some of you who may be involved in clubs, I wouldn't mind getting
more
> information of similar aspects of the clubs as well.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
>




Article: 336669 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bilko" <bilko2006a@msn.com>
Subject: Tiffany Tone Model 76 three-band receiver--which three bands?
Date: 4 Jul 2006 10:13:51 -0700
Message-ID: <1152033230.956936.135300@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

I have the schematic but it offers no help at all for aligning the
radio.  It's a pretty easy guess that the first two bands were .55 to
1.7 mc and 1.7 mc to 5.5 mc more or less.  I can't really tell because
there is no dial scale, but I easily aligned to those frequencies at
the full closed/full open position of the tuner.  The third band is non
responsive at any frequency.  I have no doubt it is a shortwave band so
it could be 5 to 17 mc or 7 to 22 mc or something else entirely
different.

Would one of you know what the real frequency ranges for the three
bands is and ideally, would one of you know where I can get a dial
scale.  The missing one would have been on a rectangular glass roughly
5 in. high and 4.25 in. wide with the scales in the middle on a 3.75
in. diameter centered around a hole for the dial indicator.  The
background is black with two lamps providing side illumination.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Bilko



Article: 336670 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "vintagetubesales" <ewilmart@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Steinmetz Electronics inventory sold to Vintagetubesales.com
Date: 4 Jul 2006 10:29:11 -0700
Message-ID: <1152034151.404720.225170@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
References: <1151977306.569206.206100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>


John Goller, k9uwa wrote:
> In article <1151977306.569206.206100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
> ewilmart@gmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >There will be constant website
> >additions and updates, please check back often.
> >Thanks, Ed Wilmart, Vintage Tube Sales.
> >
>
> Yo Ed   Vintagetubesales.com came up that the Domain name is registered
> at Network Solutions.. but nothing else.. just under construction
> etc...????????????????
>
> John k9uwa
Hello John, Yes, It is under construction, It will be going within a
few weeks, Thanks, Ed



Article: 336671 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Grid current limit specs for "good" output tubes?
Date: 4 Jul 2006 10:35:18 -0700
Message-ID: <1152034518.140218.14560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>

Do any manufacturers (either of old-timey tubes or new tubes or amps)
offer specific numeric limits on allowable grid current in a beam
tetrode in class A or AB1? I'm thinking specifically of tubes in the
6L6GC/807/6146 class.

I'm finding that the best of my older tubes have a grid current of a
little less than a microamp when biased at -20 or -25V on the grid,
250V or 300V on the screen, and 500V or 600V on the plate for a nominal
plate current of 30 or 40mA, most are in the low microamp range, and
some skyrocket into the hundreds of microamps or even milliamps within
minutes.

It's possible that the bad/worst ones would be perfectly acceptable in
a transformer-input class B modulator/audio amp or in a class C RF amp.

Tim.



Article: 336672 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <1151847426.789810.80160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Type 640 Mercury Battery Replacement
Message-ID: <ELyqg.15878$ci.13226@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:50:12 GMT

Cameras and meters are voltage-critiical but radios don't much care.

Ray

"Spencer" <spencer313@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1151847426.789810.80160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Recently, I solved the problem of the lack of a Type 640 Mercury
> battery as it applies to vintage photo equipment. In particular, I had
> a Honeywell Pentax Spotmeter that needed such a battery, and was
> useless without it.
>
> I ended up designing a solution, and helped save several of these
> meters from extinction.  Later, whilst searching the 'net, I noticed a
> post on this newsgroup which read, in part:
>
> "Some of you may collect vintage transistor radios of the 1960s which
> use the
> now obsolete mercury type 640 battery. Some examples are
> ultra-miniaturized
> receivers made by Sony (1R81) & Standard Radio ( the "Micronic Ruby"
> series). "
>
> I thought you should know about my solution, which I have been offering
> to the photo community.
>
> Here is the link:  http://www.ebiz2000.com/640MBA/
>
> Thank you!
> 




Article: 336673 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Grid current limit specs for "good" output tubes?
Date: 4 Jul 2006 11:54:16 -0700
Message-ID: <1152039256.715693.74430@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
References: <1152034518.140218.14560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>


shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
> Do any manufacturers (either of old-timey tubes or new tubes or amps)
> offer specific numeric limits on allowable grid current in a beam
> tetrode in class A or AB1? I'm thinking specifically of tubes in the
> 6L6GC/807/6146 class.
>
> I'm finding that the best of my older tubes have a grid current of a
> little less than a microamp when biased at -20 or -25V on the grid,
> 250V or 300V on the screen, and 500V or 600V on the plate for a nominal
> plate current of 30 or 40mA, most are in the low microamp range, and
> some skyrocket into the hundreds of microamps or even milliamps within
> minutes.
>
> It's possible that the bad/worst ones would be perfectly acceptable in
> a transformer-input class B modulator/audio amp or in a class C RF amp.
>
> Tim.
I'm no expert on this subject so I'll refer you to the Radiotron
designer's handbook. In the third edition, it talks about grid current
on pages 243 and 275-277. In brief, it says power valves should not
exceed 2-5mA. With the type 50, 10-15mA is the limit. You should read
it yourself and see if that's how you interpret it. It appears that the
grid current under discussion involves the relative presence of gas
with more gas resulting in more grid current.



Article: 336674 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "imccallum72@hotmail.com" <imccallum72@hotmail.com>
Subject: WTB Rogers or Deforest Crosley console
Date: 4 Jul 2006 12:54:27 -0700
Message-ID: <1152042867.407680.190020@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Hi, I am interested in buying Rogers of Deforest Crosley console radios
>from mid to late 1930's.  Model names and numbers include: Rogers
10-10, 10-12, 11-13.  Deforest Crosley radios include:  Jupiter, Royal
Star, Wales, Lyra, Comet.  I am located in Barrie, Ontario.  Willing to
pay cash or possible trade.  Thanks, Ian



Article: 336675 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: terry75115@yahoo.com
Subject: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Date: 4 Jul 2006 13:34:29 -0700
Message-ID: <1152045269.765910.79440@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

I have a PAM advertising clock that the motor won't move.
Does anyone know anything about these motors?

It has a rear flat mounting plate and a dial stem that's about 2" long.
It uses a side adjustment stem that's about 8" long.

please email me with any ideals.
Thanks,
Terry in Texas



Article: 336676 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: 4 Jul 2006 14:12:29 -0700
Message-ID: <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>

So how many of you think the Shuttle is a waste of taxpayers money?

Gary Tayman wrote:
> My wife was watching TV, and I heard them covering the launch of the space
> shuttle.  So I decided to go outside to watch.  I took the H-500
> Transoceanic with me, but could not find a radio station that was covering
> it.
>
> In any case, I watched, and watched, and watched, but didn't see no stinkin'
> shuttle!  There must've been a cloud in just the right place.  Usually I can
> indeed see it from my driveway, looking just over the house.  Neighbors also
> were outside looking, but could not find it.
>
> Normally, during the day it looks like an airplane flying overhead, but
> brighter and headed straight up.  At night you see a vertical bright line in
> the sky.  This, from Sarasota which is on the west coast -- across the state
> from Cape Canaveral.
>
> I definitely know when it lands here -- I hear the sonic boom.
>
>
> --
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com



Article: 336677 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Caveat Lector" <UALLBeware@9984reader.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Message-ID: <IrBqg.276$_M.268@fed1read04>
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:53:44 -0700

Go to NASA TELEVISION
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/

I use Real Player
They periodically show where the shuttle is on a map

-- 
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07...
> My wife was watching TV, and I heard them covering the launch of the space 
> shuttle.  So I decided to go outside to watch.  I took the H-500 
> Transoceanic with me, but could not find a radio station that was covering 
> it.
>
> In any case, I watched, and watched, and watched, but didn't see no 
> stinkin' shuttle!  There must've been a cloud in just the right place. 
> Usually I can indeed see it from my driveway, looking just over the house. 
> Neighbors also were outside looking, but could not find it.
>
> Normally, during the day it looks like an airplane flying overhead, but 
> brighter and headed straight up.  At night you see a vertical bright line 
> in the sky.  This, from Sarasota which is on the west coast -- across the 
> state from Cape Canaveral.
>
> I definitely know when it lands here -- I hear the sonic boom.
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
> 




Article: 336678 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Ken Layton" <KLayton888@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: 4 Jul 2006 14:54:27 -0700
Message-ID: <1152050067.776710.310500@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>


RadioGary wrote:
> So how many of you think the Shuttle is a waste of taxpayers money?
> 

I agree! Huge waste of tax dollars.



Article: 336679 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Ken Layton" <KLayton888@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Steinmetz Electronics inventory sold to Vintagetubesales.com
Date: 4 Jul 2006 14:56:37 -0700
Message-ID: <1152050196.998851.315200@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
References: <1151977306.569206.206100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>

So what happened to Steinmetz Electronics?



Article: 336680 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Caveat Lector" <UALLBeware@9984reader.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>   <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1152050067.776710.310500@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Message-ID: <sDBqg.277$_M.88@fed1read04>
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:06:16 -0700

Issy baby this Columbus thing is a complete waste of money.
Perhaps Ferdie Dear, but it is my money, Hey Christopher -- prepare to sail
And he did

Humans were made to explore, otherwise we would have been extinct dry bones 
in some drought in Africa


-- 
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

"Ken Layton" <KLayton888@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1152050067.776710.310500@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> RadioGary wrote:
>> So how many of you think the Shuttle is a waste of taxpayers money?
>>
>
> I agree! Huge waste of tax dollars.
> 




Article: 336681 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "DaveM" <masondg4499@comcast99.net>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:14:57 -0400
Message-ID: <b-ydnUm43Yf8dTfZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@comcast.com>

"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07...
> My wife was watching TV, and I heard them covering the launch of the space 
> shuttle.  So I decided to go outside to watch.  I took the H-500 Transoceanic 
> with me, but could not find a radio station that was covering it.
>
> In any case, I watched, and watched, and watched, but didn't see no stinkin' 
> shuttle!  There must've been a cloud in just the right place.  Usually I can 
> indeed see it from my driveway, looking just over the house.  Neighbors also 
> were outside looking, but could not find it.
>
> Normally, during the day it looks like an airplane flying overhead, but 
> brighter and headed straight up.  At night you see a vertical bright line in 
> the sky.  This, from Sarasota which is on the west coast -- across the state 
> from Cape Canaveral.
>
> I definitely know when it lands here -- I hear the sonic boom.
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
>

I can usually see a shuttle launch from my house too, just a bit southwest of 
Jacksonville, just by looking out the front door.  But today, the clouds were 
apparently in the line of view, and best I could see of it was about 10 minutes 
after the launch, the clouds dispersed enough for me to see the vapor trail.
I remember when the Challenger exploded, I was at work, several of us went onto 
the rear loading dock where we had a great view of launches.  Sure was a sinking 
feeling when we saw the explosion and the SRBs going off in different 
directions.  Will never forget that scene.

-- 
Dave M
MasonDG44 at comcast dot net  (Just substitute the appropriate characters in the 
address)

Some days you're the dog, some days the hydrant.




Article: 336682 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>  <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1152050067.776710.310500@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Message-ID: <xVBqg.6162$4c7.3485@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:25:33 GMT

>
> I agree! Huge waste of tax dollars.
>

And what do you think would be a better use of the tax dollars,
pay some 14 year old black welfare mother to have a few more
babies?

Ron





Article: 336683 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Art's Antique Radios" <art@myantiqueradio.com>
References: <O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06> <3Ewqg.6139$4c7.3777@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:40:18 -0500
Message-ID: <6tOdncgxj9PMczfZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com>

That is the same for all shows

If we want more public and new people in the hobby, shows need to be moved 
to Sat and Sunday.

Let the egg throwing begin!!!


" Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:3Ewqg.6139$4c7.3777@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> even the best flea markets are only going to be good for about
> 3 or 4 hours a day. In Charlotte ours starts at 8AM of Friday, by 11:30
> or so is mainly folks just wondering around looking at stuff for the
> third or forth time and visiting. That's why we other events like our
> auction
> in the afternoon.
> Our Saturday only swap meets start around 7 or 8 and are all done
> before 11AM.
> I've had folks call it a waste of time because it ends so early.
> I have no way to control how long the vendors stay,
> when they run out of stuff to sale or just get tired, they pack and
> go home.
> With no other programs to fill the time, maybe starting late afternoon
> Friday and continuing it on Saturday morning would work.
> But unless there's something big happening don't expect many people
> to still be there after noon Saturday.
>
> I've been involved with the Charlotte show since 1979.
>
> Ron
>
> Gary Tayman <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06...
>> It's probably a little early to post the official reminder, but the next
>> Sarasota Swap Meet is Saturday August 5, at the Knights of Columbus hall.
>>
>> As you recall, it was at last year's poorly attended meet that I decided
> to
>> take matters into my own hands and do something.  So for December I
> promoted
>> the heck out of it, and it paid off.  April was another success.  Now
> comes
>> August, which is usually the least attended of the year but this time who
>> knows.  So there are no new plans for August -- just keep doing what we
> did
>> the last two times.  However -- December's coming.  First off, I fully
>> intend to make the December show better than last year, and second, as of
>> last week I've got the dubious honor of being elected President of the
> club.
>> Hopefully this means I'll have just a little more sway in bringing some
> new
>> ideas to fruition.
>>
>> Now -- I need your help in collecting data.  This particular meet is open
>> from 8 to 11 -- three hours.  We have around 130 "regulars" on our 
>> mailing
>> list, however I don't have a figure for attendance, nor do I have one for
>> vendors -- but I'm trying to get these numbers.  Admission is $5, with
>> spouse free, and vendors are $5 per table, with presently no provision 
>> for
>> prepayment/reservation.  (This is what we have now -- like I said, I want
> to
>> make changes, particularly to the prices, hours, and reservation policy.)
>>
>> What I'd like to know is, what are the specifics of the other shows --
> both
>> the big and the small?  Is it a few hours, is it all day, weekend, or
> Friday
>> plus weekend?  What is the admission charge?  What is the vendor charge,
> for
>> reservation and day of event?  How many vendors are there?  How many
> attend?
>> How many run the show?
>>
>> I don't need exact figures, and I'm not trying to pry into anyone's
>> business.  I'm just trying to assemble some sample models to work from, 
>> to
>> get ideas for this one.
>>
>> I might also add that, although I've never attended any of the larger
> radio
>> events (but would like to in the future), I'm indeed a regular at car
> shows,
>> and in the past have helped with very similar (large) events related to
>> model trains.  Yes there are differences, but there are similarities.
>>
>> Also, some of you who may be involved in clubs, I wouldn't mind getting
> more
>> information of similar aspects of the clubs as well.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
>> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
>> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>>
>>
>
> 




Article: 336684 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: djep1@juno.com
Subject: Re: RCA K105 "C" band antenna
Date: 4 Jul 2006 15:40:39 -0700
Message-ID: <1152052839.020162.228410@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
References: <1151982847.090296.304860@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>


John Goller, k9uwa wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff ... the antenna is a single run of about wire size #20
> The antenna itself is 13 inches of wire by 6 inches of wire plus
> the lead length is 8 inches ... so your total wire length including
> the leads is 13 + 13 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 = 54 inches... the size
> of the wire won't make much difference ... just the length of it..
>
> I noticed the pricetag I put on the radio yesterday 50 bucks...
> the spreader bar across the rear back is falling apart.. cabinet
> needs to be striped and refinished but the wood is all good in
> it... both antennas are there... it almost works.. noticed this
> morning one wire to the lower antenna is disconnected is probably
> why I didn't hear any stations on it yesterday .. all knobs are
> there .. all pushbuttons are there... Its just that I have too
> many radios here... this one is going away..
>
> I take it Jeff that you have that little 2 pin plug from the C band
> antenna into the chassis?..
>
> John k9uwa

  John,
         Yes, found a plug to fit the socket in the chassis, the other
2 are 3 pin, (as is the "C" band socket) but I have a 2 pin plug that
hits the correct contacts. Looking at the cabinet, it looks like the
set never had the antenna installed. There is a block of wood glued to
the underside of the top, but no holes in it at all. Not even from
staples. I'll fab up a piece of hardboard to hold the wire, and
proceede. Looking at it mechanically, the leads to the plug are from
one of the corners?

  Thanks to all who replied...

Jeff  w8fbf/6



Article: 336685 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: hatespam@hatespam.com (El Barto)
Subject: Re: Steinmetz Electronics inventory sold to Vintagetubesales.com
Message-ID: <44aaef60.8787689@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>
References: <1151977306.569206.206100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <R9vqg.815271$084.446388@attbi_s22> <1152034151.404720.225170@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:46:37 GMT

"vintagetubesales" <ewilmart@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Yo Ed   Vintagetubesales.com came up that the Domain name is registered
>> at Network Solutions.. but nothing else.. just under construction
>> etc...????????????????
>>
>> John k9uwa
>Hello John, Yes, It is under construction, It will be going within a
>few weeks, Thanks, Ed

Umm, then wouldn't it be better to wait and post when it's _ready_?

No, because that would make sense.



From adouglasatgis.net Tue Jul  4 21:24:06 EDT 2006
Article: 336686 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Alan Douglas <adouglasatgis.net>
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Subject: Re: TUBE ID HELP, PLEASE
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Hi,

>Hey Alan;
>I don't mean to beat a dead horse but is there any further word on the 
>re-prints of your 20s books?

I haven't heard anything lately, and I suppose I'd be among the first
to know.

Alan


Article: 336687 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet
Date: 4 Jul 2006 16:06:47 -0700
Message-ID: <1152054407.626732.227390@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06>

No, I totally agree with you on this.  I can think of two shows up here
in the midwest that begin on a Thursday, and are practically over and
done with by Saturday morning.  How functional is that?   Who does that
appeal to besides those of us who are still part of the work force and
not retired yet?   It's a question that I never received a direct
honest answer from a local club.  The obvious is it's politically
motivated for all of the old timers in the clubs and no one else.
It's a shame, isn't it?

Art's Antique Radios wrote:
> That is the same for all shows
>
> If we want more public and new people in the hobby, shows need to be moved
> to Sat and Sunday.
>
> Let the egg throwing begin!!!
>
>
> " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3Ewqg.6139$4c7.3777@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> > even the best flea markets are only going to be good for about
> > 3 or 4 hours a day. In Charlotte ours starts at 8AM of Friday, by 11:30
> > or so is mainly folks just wondering around looking at stuff for the
> > third or forth time and visiting. That's why we other events like our
> > auction
> > in the afternoon.
> > Our Saturday only swap meets start around 7 or 8 and are all done
> > before 11AM.
> > I've had folks call it a waste of time because it ends so early.
> > I have no way to control how long the vendors stay,
> > when they run out of stuff to sale or just get tired, they pack and
> > go home.
> > With no other programs to fill the time, maybe starting late afternoon
> > Friday and continuing it on Saturday morning would work.
> > But unless there's something big happening don't expect many people
> > to still be there after noon Saturday.
> >
> > I've been involved with the Charlotte show since 1979.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > Gary Tayman <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06...
> >> It's probably a little early to post the official reminder, but the next
> >> Sarasota Swap Meet is Saturday August 5, at the Knights of Columbus hall.
> >>
> >> As you recall, it was at last year's poorly attended meet that I decided
> > to
> >> take matters into my own hands and do something.  So for December I
> > promoted
> >> the heck out of it, and it paid off.  April was another success.  Now
> > comes
> >> August, which is usually the least attended of the year but this time who
> >> knows.  So there are no new plans for August -- just keep doing what we
> > did
> >> the last two times.  However -- December's coming.  First off, I fully
> >> intend to make the December show better than last year, and second, as of
> >> last week I've got the dubious honor of being elected President of the
> > club.
> >> Hopefully this means I'll have just a little more sway in bringing some
> > new
> >> ideas to fruition.
> >>
> >> Now -- I need your help in collecting data.  This particular meet is open
> >> from 8 to 11 -- three hours.  We have around 130 "regulars" on our
> >> mailing
> >> list, however I don't have a figure for attendance, nor do I have one for
> >> vendors -- but I'm trying to get these numbers.  Admission is $5, with
> >> spouse free, and vendors are $5 per table, with presently no provision
> >> for
> >> prepayment/reservation.  (This is what we have now -- like I said, I want
> > to
> >> make changes, particularly to the prices, hours, and reservation policy.)
> >>
> >> What I'd like to know is, what are the specifics of the other shows --
> > both
> >> the big and the small?  Is it a few hours, is it all day, weekend, or
> > Friday
> >> plus weekend?  What is the admission charge?  What is the vendor charge,
> > for
> >> reservation and day of event?  How many vendors are there?  How many
> > attend?
> >> How many run the show?
> >>
> >> I don't need exact figures, and I'm not trying to pry into anyone's
> >> business.  I'm just trying to assemble some sample models to work from,
> >> to
> >> get ideas for this one.
> >>
> >> I might also add that, although I've never attended any of the larger
> > radio
> >> events (but would like to in the future), I'm indeed a regular at car
> > shows,
> >> and in the past have helped with very similar (large) events related to
> >> model trains.  Yes there are differences, but there are similarities.
> >>
> >> Also, some of you who may be involved in clubs, I wouldn't mind getting
> > more
> >> information of similar aspects of the clubs as well.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >



Article: 336688 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" <gerryu21220@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet
Date: 4 Jul 2006 16:10:31 -0700
Message-ID: <1152054631.202022.46110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
References: <O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06>


Gary Tayman wrote:
> It's probably a little early to post the official reminder, but the next
> Sarasota Swap Meet is Saturday August 5, at the Knights of Columbus hall.


Are there ever any here in Maryland?  More specifically, in or near
Baltimore?



Article: 336689 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Check out this $10,000 Zenith Trans-Oceanic Radio
From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," <Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net>
References: <o6udnaBrwpFPuQLZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@adelphia.com> <qMqog.68267$mF2.47737@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <gAuqg.1058183$xm3.300413@attbi_s21>
Message-ID: <YKCqg.93354$mF2.30804@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:22:32 GMT

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:05:00 GMT, John Goller, k9uwa wrote:

> not such a big deal really... auction ends.. bidder either coughs up the
> money or else he doesn't.. in which case Joe gets relief from ebay for
> the commissions to ebay and relists the radio...

There's a clear cost here -- time and any customers who were alienated from this product (and perhaps from his product in general) by what he _allowed_ in his first auction.  So what benefits off-set that cost?

(Were I a potential bidder here, then I'd feel as if I'd gone into a shop to make a purchase, onlyh to be blocked by rude louts about whom the proprietor was rudely making no attempt to do anything.)

> in case you hadn't
> looked he also has a 2nd one up nearly identical.. and in that one is
> a comment about the 10K auction..

"I am not sure what is going on in my other T/O auction, but here is another of the same radio."  Which doesn't provide a sensible reason for having let those bids abide.


Article: 336690 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," <Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>   <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1152050067.776710.310500@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <sDBqg.277$_M.88@fed1read04>
Message-ID: <LNCqg.93364$mF2.65540@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:25:31 GMT

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:06:16 GMT, Caveat Lector wrote:

> Issy baby this Columbus thing is a complete waste of money.

And how, exactly, did Columbus's voyage benefit the Spanish taxpayer?  Indeed, did you notice the course of the Spanish economy over the next few centuries?


> Perhaps Ferdie Dear, but it is my money,

Ah, but it wasn't.


Article: 336691 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," <Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>  <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1152050067.776710.310500@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <xVBqg.6162$4c7.3485@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
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Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:26:34 GMT

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:25:33 GMT, Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:

> pay some 14 year old black welfare mother to have a few more
> babies?

What would be the relevance of the mother's race here?

> And what do you think would be a better use of the tax dollars,

Return to the taxpayer might be nice.


Article: 336692 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," <Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <9SCqg.93380$mF2.89943@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:30:13 GMT

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:12:29 GMT, RadioGary wrote:

> So how many of you think the Shuttle is a waste of taxpayers money?

The sad  truth is that, even if we agree that space exploration is _not_ an improper use of taxpayer money, the Space Shuttle is a terrible waste.  It was supposed to save money against the earlier technology, by virtue of its reusability.  Instead, it has proved to be vastly more expensive (and, yes, that's _after_ one adjusts for over-all inflation, and even before we account for the two that were destroyed).


Article: 336693 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:41:41 -0700
Message-ID: <4942-44AAFCB5-475@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net>
References: <sDBqg.277$_M.88@fed1read04>

>From C.Lector:

>Humans were made to explore, 
>otherwise we would have been extinct 
>dry bones...

True. But this shuttle program isn't going anywhere or exploring
anything anymore. It's a freakin' white elephant and a total waste of
resources. A private-sector moon program would make a lot more sense
right now in terms of exploration.
Hrrumph. :-) 
                       oc     



Article: 336694 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06>   <3Ewqg.6139$4c7.3777@tornado.southeast.rr.com>   <6tOdncgxj9PMczfZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com> <1152054407.626732.227390@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet
Message-ID: <anDqg.3952$543.2953@trnddc04>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:05:26 GMT

As for days, I know in the past when I've been involved in model train meets 
that they usually ran Friday through Sunday.  I never quite understood the 
Friday part, as it typically turned people off who would normally arrive 
early on Saturday to get the good deals.

As for time, I didn't know that even the larger shows would be over by 11:00 
AM.  At the last meet, Dave was hurrying to clean up the place around 10:30, 
even though some vendors were still doing active business.  I would like to 
see the show run till noon anyway -- but it's a matter of how the attendance 
is doing, and how the vendors are making out.  Since people drive here from 
Tampa, Orlando, Naples, and other faraway places, I can't see trying to 
spread it out over more than one day -- unless it gets a LOT larger than it 
is now.

How does admission work?  We're presently doing $5 admission with spouse 
free, and $5 per table for vendors.  Personally I think $5 is fair enough 
for hobbyists who want to buy radios and parts, but a little high for the 
general public who spotted a flyer, came to see a show, and finds only three 
radios on display among the buy/sell tables.  Since this is the lion's share 
of income I don't want to reduce or eliminate it, but the goal is to ensure 
there's something worth paying $5 to see once inside.  One change I would 
like to make is to allow pre-registration for tables, and arrange them in 
such a way that the most desirable tables are reserved for the dealers who 
commit themselves ahead of time.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




"RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1152054407.626732.227390@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> No, I totally agree with you on this.  I can think of two shows up here
> in the midwest that begin on a Thursday, and are practically over and
> done with by Saturday morning.  How functional is that?   Who does that
> appeal to besides those of us who are still part of the work force and
> not retired yet?   It's a question that I never received a direct
> honest answer from a local club.  The obvious is it's politically
> motivated for all of the old timers in the clubs and no one else.
> It's a shame, isn't it?
>
> Art's Antique Radios wrote:
>> That is the same for all shows
>>
>> If we want more public and new people in the hobby, shows need to be 
>> moved
>> to Sat and Sunday.
>>
>> Let the egg throwing begin!!!
>>
>>
>> " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:3Ewqg.6139$4c7.3777@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
>> > even the best flea markets are only going to be good for about
>> > 3 or 4 hours a day. In Charlotte ours starts at 8AM of Friday, by 11:30
>> > or so is mainly folks just wondering around looking at stuff for the
>> > third or forth time and visiting. That's why we other events like our
>> > auction
>> > in the afternoon.
>> > Our Saturday only swap meets start around 7 or 8 and are all done
>> > before 11AM.
>> > I've had folks call it a waste of time because it ends so early.
>> > I have no way to control how long the vendors stay,
>> > when they run out of stuff to sale or just get tired, they pack and
>> > go home.
>> > With no other programs to fill the time, maybe starting late afternoon
>> > Friday and continuing it on Saturday morning would work.
>> > But unless there's something big happening don't expect many people
>> > to still be there after noon Saturday.
>> >
>> > I've been involved with the Charlotte show since 1979.
>> >
>> > Ron
>> >
>> > Gary Tayman <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> > news:O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06...
>> >> It's probably a little early to post the official reminder, but the 
>> >> next
>> >> Sarasota Swap Meet is Saturday August 5, at the Knights of Columbus 
>> >> hall.
>> >>
>> >> As you recall, it was at last year's poorly attended meet that I 
>> >> decided
>> > to
>> >> take matters into my own hands and do something.  So for December I
>> > promoted
>> >> the heck out of it, and it paid off.  April was another success.  Now
>> > comes
>> >> August, which is usually the least attended of the year but this time 
>> >> who
>> >> knows.  So there are no new plans for August -- just keep doing what 
>> >> we
>> > did
>> >> the last two times.  However -- December's coming.  First off, I fully
>> >> intend to make the December show better than last year, and second, as 
>> >> of
>> >> last week I've got the dubious honor of being elected President of the
>> > club.
>> >> Hopefully this means I'll have just a little more sway in bringing 
>> >> some
>> > new
>> >> ideas to fruition.
>> >>
>> >> Now -- I need your help in collecting data.  This particular meet is 
>> >> open
>> >> from 8 to 11 -- three hours.  We have around 130 "regulars" on our
>> >> mailing
>> >> list, however I don't have a figure for attendance, nor do I have one 
>> >> for
>> >> vendors -- but I'm trying to get these numbers.  Admission is $5, with
>> >> spouse free, and vendors are $5 per table, with presently no provision
>> >> for
>> >> prepayment/reservation.  (This is what we have now -- like I said, I 
>> >> want
>> > to
>> >> make changes, particularly to the prices, hours, and reservation 
>> >> policy.)
>> >>
>> >> What I'd like to know is, what are the specifics of the other shows --
>> > both
>> >> the big and the small?  Is it a few hours, is it all day, weekend, or
>> > Friday
>> >> plus weekend?  What is the admission charge?  What is the vendor 
>> >> charge,
>> > for
>> >> reservation and day of event?  How many vendors are there?  How many
>> > attend?
>> >> How many run the show?
>> >>
>> >> I don't need exact figures, and I'm not trying to pry into anyone's
>> >> business.  I'm just trying to assemble some sample models to work 
>> >> from,
>> >> to
>> >> get ideas for this one.
>> >>
>> >> I might also add that, although I've never attended any of the larger
>> > radio
>> >> events (but would like to in the future), I'm indeed a regular at car
>> > shows,
>> >> and in the past have helped with very similar (large) events related 
>> >> to
>> >> model trains.  Yes there are differences, but there are similarities.
>> >>
>> >> Also, some of you who may be involved in clubs, I wouldn't mind 
>> >> getting
>> > more
>> >> information of similar aspects of the clubs as well.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
>> >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
>> >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
> 




Article: 336695 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <LradnTQqHZuQ1zTZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: LANSING THIS WEEKEND...SUNNY AND 78 DEGREES
Message-ID: <orDqg.4016$543.2133@trnddc04>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:09:56 GMT

> Michigan is suffering the worst economy in the nation, we have a one state
> recession here.  Come visit and help us out!   Plus, this show has the

Hmmm . . . do you think a radio meet would save New Jersey?


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 336696 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: LANSING THIS WEEKEND...SUNNY AND 78 DEGREES
Message-ID: <g53ma2ht5repv9qubqlsqvklcrcs60usm5@4ax.com>
References: <LradnTQqHZuQ1zTZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com> <orDqg.4016$543.2133@trnddc04>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:50:23 GMT

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:09:56 GMT, "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
wrote:

>> Michigan is suffering the worst economy in the nation, we have a one state
>> recession here.  Come visit and help us out!   Plus, this show has the
>
>Hmmm . . . do you think a radio meet would save New Jersey?


I think that New Jersey is beyond saving, and I was born there.


Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 336697 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "vintagetubesales" <ewilmart@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Steinmetz Electronics inventory sold to Vintagetubesales.com
Date: 4 Jul 2006 17:55:10 -0700
Message-ID: <1152060910.420252.7640@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <1151977306.569206.206100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>


Ken Layton wrote:
> So what happened to Steinmetz Electronics?
Hello Ken, Mrs. Steinmetz retired & is living with her daughter.



Article: 336698 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "needhelp" <duboisvb2@yahoo.com>
Subject: need help with tube ID
Date: 4 Jul 2006 19:02:18 -0700
Message-ID: <1152064938.018647.224380@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>

I have acquired 4 tubes that I would like to know more about.  They are
KT88's and they are in boxes that say Gold Lion.  The boxes are bound
together with a packing strap that says"matching pair".  But the tubes
appear used and  while they are KT88's, the only identification on them
is the word ,"DYNACO" .  Can someone help me understand what I have.

Also the tester that I have does not have a setting for KT88. Is there
an equivalent tube that It may have a setting for that I could use for
testing?

Thanks for any help.



Article: 336699 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:04:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
From: John Stone <jmsent2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C0D0887B.4E494%jmsent2@comcast.net>
References: <sDBqg.277$_M.88@fed1read04> <4942-44AAFCB5-475@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net>

On 7/4/06 6:41 PM, in article
4942-44AAFCB5-475@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net, "Bill Sheppard"
<oldcoot@webtv.net> wrote:

> From C.Lector:
> 
>> Humans were made to explore,
>> otherwise we would have been extinct
>> dry bones...
> 
> True. But this shuttle program isn't going anywhere or exploring
> anything anymore. It's a freakin' white elephant and a total waste of
> resources. A private-sector moon program would make a lot more sense
> right now in terms of exploration.
> Hrrumph. :-) 
>                  
The private sector will not involve itself in something as expensive as a
moon program without any chance for payback in the foreseeable future.
The other problem with private sector involvement is that so much of what
NASA does is either directly defense based top secret activity or contains
technology that  filters directly down to the military. There has to be a
government sponsored space program. 



Article: 336700 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Grid current limit specs for "good" output tubes?
Date: 4 Jul 2006 19:06:06 -0700
Message-ID: <1152065166.029924.313170@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
References: <1152034518.140218.14560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>


AuroraOldRadios wrote:
> shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:
> > Do any manufacturers (either of old-timey tubes or new tubes or amps)
> > offer specific numeric limits on allowable grid current in a beam
> > tetrode in class A or AB1? I'm thinking specifically of tubes in the
> > 6L6GC/807/6146 class.
> >
> > I'm finding that the best of my older tubes have a grid current of a
> > little less than a microamp when biased at -20 or -25V on the grid,
> > 250V or 300V on the screen, and 500V or 600V on the plate for a nominal
> > plate current of 30 or 40mA, most are in the low microamp range, and
> > some skyrocket into the hundreds of microamps or even milliamps within
> > minutes.
> >
> > It's possible that the bad/worst ones would be perfectly acceptable in
> > a transformer-input class B modulator/audio amp or in a class C RF amp.


 The bad ones will get worse and unless they have dud value for their
appearance to collectors should be destroyed.



Article: 336701 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Ken Doyle" <kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com>
References: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it> <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6Puqg.815242$084.625391@attbi_s22>
Subject: Re: Question about output transformers
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:10:54 -0400
Message-ID: <14SdnfgEmNkKgjbZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com>


"John Goller, k9uwa"
> George gets run at least one day per month..

At night?
 I miss hearing George playing oldies while I drove up and down the east
coast.
The station that muffled George is right near here.  Nothing fun on WLIB,
what a waste.

Ken D.
NJ




Article: 336702 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:12:36 -0500
Subject: Re: need help with tube ID
From: John Stone <jmsent2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C0D08A44.4E498%jmsent2@comcast.net>
References: <1152064938.018647.224380@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>

On 7/4/06 9:02 PM, in article
1152064938.018647.224380@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, "needhelp"
<duboisvb2@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have acquired 4 tubes that I would like to know more about.  They are
> KT88's and they are in boxes that say Gold Lion.  The boxes are bound
> together with a packing strap that says"matching pair".  But the tubes
> appear used and  while they are KT88's, the only identification on them
> is the word ,"DYNACO" .  Can someone help me understand what I have.
> 
> Also the tester that I have does not have a setting for KT88. Is there
> an equivalent tube that It may have a setting for that I could use for
> testing?
> 
What you probably have are the old tubes from a Dynaco amplifier in the
boxes the replacement tubes came in. If there was a new set of Gold Lions in
those boxes, you would be sitting on some very valuable tubes. As it stands
you probably just have some worn out old tubes in fancy boxes.
If your tester has a setting for a 6550, it will work. However, be aware
that power amp tubes like this can often show good on a tester but put out
less than max power under actual use in equipment.



Article: 336703 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Ken Doyle" <kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com>
References: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it> <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6Puqg.815242$084.625391@attbi_s22>
Subject: Re: Question about output transformers
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:13:14 -0400
Message-ID: <ZOadnaytntq_vTbZnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@giganews.com>

WNEW  1130 NY used to sound so nice on a good console radio.

Ken D.

"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message
news:6Puqg.815242$084.625391@attbi_s22...
> In article <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> bretldwig@yahoo.com says...
> >
> >
> >
> > 10 kHz is a FCC limitation, but no commercial AM station an any
> >sizable market puts out usable content at 10 kHz anymore. Indeed, Clear
> >Channel has throttled back bandwidth to 5 or 6 khz on all its stations.
> >
>
> This is probably why whenever WOWO here in Ft Wayne runs "George"
> that the station sounds so much better than normal with the new
> transmitter ... "George" is the old Westinghouse 50KW transmitter...
>
> George gets run at least one day per month..
>
> John k9uwa
>




Article: 336704 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Question about output transformers
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it> <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6Puqg.815242$084.625391@attbi_s22> <14SdnfgEmNkKgjbZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com>
Message-ID: <QEFqg.816320$084.724705@attbi_s22>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:40:48 GMT

In article <14SdnfgEmNkKgjbZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com>, 
kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>
>At night?
> I miss hearing George playing oldies while I drove up and down the east
>coast.
>The station that muffled George is right near here.  Nothing fun on WLIB,
>what a waste.
>
>Ken D.
>NJ
>
>
At night they cut the power down... think to 10KW .. also there is
a huge pie cut out of the pattern .... yup to the NE from here..
so that WOWO doesn't kill the NY station ... 

In Case your not aware of how that all worked out... a few years ago
WOWO went up for sale.... the guys that own that station in NY bought 
WOWO.... then they transferred the Clear Channel... not the company
but the real clear channel on 1190 to the NY station .. cut down
WOWO power level at night and all the time the pattern change.. then
they sold it off again.. 

I am NE of the station about 30 miles and it is weaker at nite here
than a 5KW station that is same distance away from us.. 

John



Article: 336705 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: RCA K105 "C" band antenna
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1151982847.090296.304860@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152052839.020162.228410@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <uLFqg.1059331$xm3.134173@attbi_s21>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:47:54 GMT

In article <1152052839.020162.228410@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, 
djep1@juno.com says...
>
>
>
>         Yes, found a plug to fit the socket in the chassis, the other
>2 are 3 pin, (as is the "C" band socket) but I have a 2 pin plug that
>hits the correct contacts. Looking at the cabinet, it looks like the
>set never had the antenna installed. There is a block of wood glued to
>the underside of the top, but no holes in it at all. Not even from
>staples. I'll fab up a piece of hardboard to hold the wire, and
>proceede. Looking at it mechanically, the leads to the plug are from
>one of the corners?
>
>  Thanks to all who replied...
>
>Jeff  w8fbf/6
>

Hi Jeff .... no the leads come off the center of the short end
closest to the plug .. and all thats holding that antenna to
the wood block is 2 staples ... it wouldn't make any difference if you 
brought it off one corner.. the whole affair is one continuous length
of enameled wire.. plug pin to plug pin.. thin hardboard and a couple
of small screws would be excellent .. 

John k9uwa



Article: 336706 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Steinmetz Electronics inventory sold to Vintagetubesales.com
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1151977306.569206.206100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1152034151.404720.225170@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <HNFqg.816332$084.376811@attbi_s22>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:50:15 GMT

In article <1152034151.404720.225170@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, 
ewilmart@gmail.com says...
>
>
>
>Hello John, Yes, It is under construction, It will be going within a
>few weeks, Thanks, Ed
>
Hi Ed ... please remind us when its up and running ... at least you
have yours started... more than I can say for some certain people..

nose back in corner!
John k9uwa



Article: 336707 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Tiffany Tone Model 76 three-band receiver--which three bands?
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <1152033230.956936.135300@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <hUFqg.1059341$xm3.516650@attbi_s21>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:57:17 GMT

In article <1152033230.956936.135300@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 
bilko2006a@msn.com says...
>
>
>The third band is non
>responsive at any frequency.  I have no doubt it is a shortwave band so
>it could be 5 to 17 mc or 7 to 22 mc or something else entirely
>different.
>
>Bilko
>

You have an open coil is my guess on this third band.. think I would
be in there with Ohm-Meter and voltmeter .. either the ANT coil
or the OSC coil has an open in it for this third band... fix the
coil ... then pump a little RF in with signal jenny and see
what frequencies it hears.. 5 to 17 or 18 would be my guess
John k9uwa



Article: 336708 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06> <1152054631.202022.46110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet
Message-ID: <wXFqg.13027$so3.12099@southeast.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 03:00:44 GMT

>
> Are there ever any here in Maryland?  More specifically, in or near
> Baltimore?
>

You need to get your head out of the sand, you just missed a
big one last month just outside Baltimore put on by the
Mid Atlantic Antique Radio Club "MAARC".

Ron





Article: 336709 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Engineer" <analogdino@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: 4 Jul 2006 20:01:21 -0700
Message-ID: <1152068481.085796.327070@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>

A key problem with the space shuttle is that it's still a pure rocket,
i.e. all the fuel has to be lifted up by burning itself off until it's
all gone...  well, I tried to put this a better way, but you get the
idea.  Rockets are lousy lifters, very inefficient.
Much better to fly the thing up to, say, 50,000 feet with fanjets,
using nice solid air to sit on, then use a ramjet for the thinner air,
then a scramjet for the real thin air...  where are we now? 150,000
feet? Finally, burn a small pure rocket to get into orbit.
The answer? Hand the space program over to Bert Ruttan... I'm sure
that's how he would do it.
Cheers,
Roger



Article: 336710 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06>   <3Ewqg.6139$4c7.3777@tornado.southeast.rr.com>   <6tOdncgxj9PMczfZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com> <1152054407.626732.227390@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <anDqg.3952$543.2953@trnddc04>
Message-ID: <Y0Gqg.816358$084.319514@attbi_s22>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 03:06:32 GMT

In article <anDqg.3952$543.2953@trnddc04>, caradio@verizon.net says...
>
>
The Indiana Club single day events are all on a Sat .. they start at
hate to say it.. whenever the first guy shows up ... yes they all have
set start times of something like 8 AM but early arrivers get the worms..
still they are over at 11 to noon .. we have a dinner .. its something
like 3 bucks a head and bring a dish .. club furnishes the meat and
drinks for the 3 bucks... probably 50% plus of us stay for the lunch..
after Lunch ... maybe one more walk about and a bit more yakking and
most of the guys set up are packing and leaving... some pack just
before lunch.. still they are 1/2 day deals .. the 5 bucks per family
is the normal and 5 bucks to sell also... 
This year our August meet will be a free to sell and attend I think is
what Jean read in the newsletter ... 

John k9uwa



Article: 336711 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve Reeves" <stevereeves@gmail.com>
Subject: Help Sentinel Wow and Flutter Meter
Date: 4 Jul 2006 20:38:21 -0700
Message-ID: <1152070701.023647.152580@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Hi all.
  Not a Radio however it does have tubes. I need to locate a schmatic
for a Sentinel FL-3D-1 Wow and Flutter Meter. it Has 7 tubes.
0A2
6AL5
(2) 12AT7
6X4
6U8
6AV6

This was given to me and I was replacing the filters before powering it
up. I though I didn't need a schmatic till a wire going to chassis came
loose. I can't tell from visual inspection where it came from and
didn't take my normal pictures before starting work...doh.

Anyone know where to find one?
Google was not my freind.
Regards,
Steven Reeves



Article: 336712 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <RSGqg.24393$uy3.17373@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:04:01 GMT



RadioGary wrote:

> So how many of you think the Shuttle is a waste of taxpayers money?

Without that program, you wouldn't be here bitching about it on the
internet.

Jeff


-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 336713 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
Message-ID: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:04:20 GMT


Finally a Webpage.... Congrats Mark

http://www.oldradioparts.net

John k9uwa





Article: 336714 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Question about output transformers
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:50:22 -0700
Message-ID: <nmdma25gc7p0g0mpphl74s92offa222h2f@4ax.com>
References: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it> <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6Puqg.815242$084.625391@attbi_s22>

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:20:50 GMT, k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John
Goller, k9uwa) wrote:


>This is probably why whenever WOWO here in Ft Wayne runs "George"
>that the station sounds so much better than normal with the new
>transmitter ... "George" is the old Westinghouse 50KW transmitter...
>
>George gets run at least one day per month.. <snip>

A good ol' box.  The new Continentals and the like are cheap,
disposable trash.


Article: 336715 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Cassette Decks: Where to get belts?
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:52:14 -0700
Message-ID: <0qdma2h26kobfo15om1ch6dnurbbq6f9l2@4ax.com>
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <RtydnXrruem37TTZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1151962006.396902.291040@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <e8cc6s$37n$1@reader2.panix.com> <7v4ka2d20uspml0qh7ff7brb4qjn672mak@4ax.com> <e8dr28$bb2$1@reader2.panix.com>

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:39:21 +0000 (UTC), Jim DeClercq
<jimd@panix1.panix.com> wrote:

>Only half nonsense. Of course, o-rings will not work for ribbon belts. The 
>8-track had a square cut <snip>

Almost all 8 track decks ran ribbon belts.  Square cuts are usually
the province of car cassette decks and auxilliary drives, like
counters.


Article: 336716 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:18:04 -0500
From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns)
Subject: Re: Question about output transformers
Message-ID: <jbyrns-0407062318050001@216-80-74-37.s37.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com>
References: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it> <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6Puqg.815242$084.625391@attbi_s22> <14SdnfgEmNkKgjbZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com> <QEFqg.816320$084.724705@attbi_s22>

In article <QEFqg.816320$084.724705@attbi_s22>,
k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) wrote:

> In article <14SdnfgEmNkKgjbZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com>, 
> kensoldradiorepair@yahoo.com says...
> >
> >At night?
> > I miss hearing George playing oldies while I drove up and down the east
> >coast.
> >The station that muffled George is right near here.  Nothing fun on WLIB,
> >what a waste.
> >
> >Ken D.
> >NJ
> >
> At night they cut the power down... think to 10KW .. also there is
> a huge pie cut out of the pattern .... yup to the NE from here..
> so that WOWO doesn't kill the NY station ... 
> 
> In Case your not aware of how that all worked out... a few years ago
> WOWO went up for sale.... the guys that own that station in NY bought 
> WOWO.... then they transferred the Clear Channel... not the company
> but the real clear channel on 1190 to the NY station .. cut down
> WOWO power level at night and all the time the pattern change.. then
> they sold it off again.. 

I don't see how they could have "transferred the Clear Channel... not the
company but the real clear channel on 1190 to the NY station"?  I suspect
there are other stations on 1190 in the North East that would have
prevented them from actually transferring "the real clear channel on 1190
to" NY.  The downgrading of WOWO just made it possible for the NY station
to improve its nite time facilities, it didn't make it a "clear channel"
station.


Regards,

John Byrns


Surf my web pages at,  http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/


Article: 336717 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21>
Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
Message-ID: <AaHqg.12058$lk7.365@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:25:04 GMT


"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message 
news:8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21...
>
> Finally a Webpage.... Congrats Mark
>
> http://www.oldradioparts.net
>
> John k9uwa
>
>
>

Congrats to Mark!

Looks like a good start, and I'm glad to see the PayPal shopping cart included.  This 
will make ordering and paying quick & simple.

jim menning 




Article: 336718 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," <Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <RSGqg.24393$uy3.17373@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <FdHqg.317216$Fs1.31854@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:28:21 GMT

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:04:01 GMT, Jeffrey D Angus wrote:

>> So how many of you think the Shuttle is a waste of taxpayers money?
> 
> Without that program, you wouldn't be here bitching about it on the
> internet.

Uhm, no.

First of all, you're engaged in the fallacy of confusing

   X caused Y.

with

  Only X could cause Y.

(One finds people saying "Without Alexander Graham Bell, we wouldn't have telephones."  Such people have never considered a Meucci or a Gray.)

Second, the shuttle program (about which Angus asked) is not the space program, and had the space program proceeded along different lines, it still would have been one of the things promoting computer networking.


Article: 336719 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21> <AaHqg.12058$lk7.365@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:53:34 -0400
Message-ID: <oM6dnerpUMWi2DbZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>

thanks guys.  Its really nothing yet... just a small start.  I have so much
more stuff its overwhelming...  and no time to do it all right now...  so,
be patient,  much more to come.  Gotta focus on Extravaganza right now...
preping, loading... pricing,  doing media work....

Mark Oppat


"jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
news:AaHqg.12058$lk7.365@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message
> news:8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21...
> >
> > Finally a Webpage.... Congrats Mark
> >
> > http://www.oldradioparts.net
> >
> > John k9uwa
> >
> >
> >
>
> Congrats to Mark!
>
> Looks like a good start, and I'm glad to see the PayPal shopping cart
included.  This
> will make ordering and paying quick & simple.
>
> jim menning
>
>
>





Article: 336720 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <44AB42B7.D6089AB8@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:02:46 -0400
Message-ID: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

that Deoxit is the PEN version, Michael,  not the spray!  You didnt mention
that... and I just searched all over to discover it.  The pen has limited
use in antique radio.

Mark Oppat


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:44AB42B7.D6089AB8@earthlink.net...
> Item number 640-2960 is being closed out at $3.97. (Nibbling tool),
> Item number 640-4336 is being closed out at $1.97. (Deoxit Power
> Booster),
> along with a bunch of other useful items for working on old radios,
> listed on their website.
>
>
> -- 
> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
> prove it.
> Member of DAV #85.
>
> Michael A. Terrell
> Central Florida
>





Article: 336721 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net>
Subject: Re: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Date: 4 Jul 2006 22:08:28 -0700
Message-ID: <1152076108.842940.134560@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
References: <1152045269.765910.79440@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Well, Terry, step one would be to check the DC continuity of the motor
coil. If that is okay, then does the rotor turn freely? if there is any
drag there at all, the motor will not run. Usually the lubricant dries
up and becomes gummy and it is really difficult to get to the shaft
bearings to effectively lubricate them.
Choice A: find a working similar unit and put that in.
Choice B: adapt any working clock motor you can find.
Choice C: put in a simple quartz battery clock motor.

Neil S.

terry75115@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have a PAM advertising clock that the motor won't move.
> Does anyone know anything about these motors?
>
> It has a rear flat mounting plate and a dial stem that's about 2" long.
> It uses a side adjustment stem that's about 8" long.
> 
> please email me with any ideals.
> Thanks,
> Terry in Texas



Article: 336722 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Grid current limit specs for "good" output tubes?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:12:17 +1000
Message-ID: <4h101bF1pgo4aU1@individual.net>
References: <1152034518.140218.14560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1152039256.715693.74430@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>


"AuroraOldRadios"
>
> I'm no expert on this subject so I'll refer you to the Radiotron
> designer's handbook. In the third edition, it talks about grid current
> on pages 243 and 275-277. In brief, it says power valves should not
> exceed 2-5mA.


**  The OP is talking about * grid leakage current *  ( ie a tube fault) 
NOT  "grid current"  caused by the operating mode.




........  Phil 




Article: 336723 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Grid current limit specs for "good" output tubes?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:24:17 +1000
Message-ID: <4h10nuF1poc3aU1@individual.net>
References: <1152034518.140218.14560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>


<shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message 
news:1152034518.140218.14560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...


**  Groper Alert  !!

> Do any manufacturers (either of old-timey tubes or new tubes or amps)
> offer specific numeric limits on allowable grid current in a beam
> tetrode in class A or AB1? I'm thinking specifically of tubes in the
> 6L6GC/807/6146 class.


 **  You mean grid leakage  -  not "grid current".


> I'm finding that the best of my older tubes have a grid current of a
> little less than a microamp when biased at -20 or -25V on the grid,
> 250V or 300V on the screen, and 500V or 600V on the plate for a nominal
> plate current of 30 or 40mA, most are in the low microamp range, and
> some skyrocket into the hundreds of microamps or even milliamps within
> minutes.
>
> It's possible that the bad/worst ones would be perfectly acceptable in
> a transformer-input class B modulator/audio amp or in a class C RF amp.
>


 **  It is possible -  depending on what is the cause of the * LEAKAGE*.

In many cases it is nothing more than surface contamination on the plastic 
base of the tube causing  LEAKAGE current to flow from the screen pin to the 
ADJACENT  grid pin when the surface is hot.

Fixed a whole bunch of  new EL34 tubes that did that by repeatedly washing 
the bases in de-natured alcohol and drying in hot air. Other cases proved to 
be the plastic material itself -  the Chinese and Ruskies have had some 
batches of very crappy plastic.

The only reason such leakage is a problem is that the tube base gets very 
hot  in use ( ie with tubes hanging inverted) PLUS the negative grid bias is 
applied via a high value resistor. Smart designers keep that resistor value 
low as possible and provide ventilation around all output tube bases. Using 
ceramic sockets is a damn good idea too.

Amps that use transistors to drive the grids or cathodes of output tubes 
also avoid the issue.

So could  an amp that use a coupling transformer.





......   Phil






Article: 336724 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" <nobody@nowhere.com>
Subject: Re: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:41:49 -0700
Message-ID: <a8kma2tf91snn15nvso5gceqm9f6o86b7i@4ax.com>
References: <1152045269.765910.79440@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152076108.842940.134560@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

are you sure it's an AC motor and not a stepper of some kind -

On 4 Jul 2006 22:08:28 -0700, "nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net>
wrote:

>Well, Terry, step one would be to check the DC continuity of the motor
>coil. If that is okay, then does the rotor turn freely? if there is any
>drag there at all, the motor will not run. Usually the lubricant dries
>up and becomes gummy and it is really difficult to get to the shaft
>bearings to effectively lubricate them.
>Choice A: find a working similar unit and put that in.
>Choice B: adapt any working clock motor you can find.
>Choice C: put in a simple quartz battery clock motor.
>
>Neil S.
>
>terry75115@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I have a PAM advertising clock that the motor won't move.
>> Does anyone know anything about these motors?
>>
>> It has a rear flat mounting plate and a dial stem that's about 2" long.
>> It uses a side adjustment stem that's about 8" long.
>> 
>> please email me with any ideals.
>> Thanks,
>> Terry in Texas
Bill

www.wbnoble.com

to contact me, do not reply to this message, 
instead correct this address and use it

will iam_  b_   No  ble   at  msn  daught   com

-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com



Article: 336725 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:37:37 -0600
Message-ID: <8425-44AB5E31-1042@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
References: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

I have found Deoxit totally usless for anything accept maybe using the
can to prop something up .



Article: 336726 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Question about output transformers
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <mxfqg.25837$zy5.534627@twister1.libero.it> <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6Puqg.815242$084.625391@attbi_s22> <14SdnfgEmNkKgjbZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@giganews.com> <QEFqg.816320$084.724705@attbi_s22> <jbyrns-0407062318050001@216-80-74-37.s37.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com>
Message-ID: <WVJqg.816718$084.158831@attbi_s22>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:32:06 GMT

In article 
<jbyrns-0407062318050001@216-80-74-37.s37.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com>, 
jbyrns@rcn.com says...
>
> I suspect
>there are other stations on 1190 in the North East that would have
>prevented them from actually transferring "the real clear channel on 1190
>to" NY.  The downgrading of WOWO just made it possible for the NY station
>to improve its nite time facilities, it didn't make it a "clear channel"
>station.
>John Byrns

Your pretty right John .. 30 KW Daytime and 10KW Night Time
for WLIB in NY .. by killing WOWO's antenna NE and cutting power
at night ... FCC database says 9.8KW nite .. they now have much better 
coverage in NY area..... 
John



Article: 336727 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" <gerryu21220@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet
Date: 5 Jul 2006 02:07:37 -0700
Message-ID: <1152090457.051837.248410@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
References: <O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06>


 Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
> >
> > Are there ever any here in Maryland?  More specifically, in or near
> > Baltimore?
> >
>
> You need to get your head out of the sand, you just missed a
> big one last month just outside Baltimore put on by the
> Mid Atlantic Antique Radio Club "MAARC".
>
> Ron

Never heard of them.  That's typical:  I'm always a day late and a
dollar short...  I do recall reading something about one up in
Pennsylvania here on the list, but nothing about one in Baltimore.  Oh
well, thanks anyway.

Gerry



Article: 336728 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Paul P" <paulREMOVE@REMOVEppinyotREMOVE.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <RSGqg.24393$uy3.17373@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Message-ID: <_VLqg.13962$5i3.11850@trnddc01>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:48:42 GMT

I am quit sure there were people complaining about tax dollars going to 
install sewer systems 50 years ago to replace leaky septic tanks and open 
ses (sp?) pools..
PP


"Jeffrey D Angus" <jangus@socal.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:RSGqg.24393$uy3.17373@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
>
> RadioGary wrote:
>
>> So how many of you think the Shuttle is a waste of taxpayers money?
>
> Without that program, you wouldn't be here bitching about it on the
> internet.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -- 
> RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
> the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
> force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
> under the Internal Security Act of 1950. 




Article: 336729 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <8425-44AB5E31-1042@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:04:32 -0700
Message-ID: <9--dncJpdfZIATbZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>

> I have found Deoxit totally usless for anything accept [sic]
> maybe using the can to prop something up.

I don't know where you're using it.

I've used the pure stuff for years, first the red, now the gold. The former
does a great job on tin- and nickel-plated surfaces, the latter is fairly
effective on gold plating.

The various pens and sprays are a great way to increase Caig's profits. The
bottles of pure liquid -- which have a "needle" dispenser -- make more
sense.




Article: 336730 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Spencer" <spencer313@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Type 640 Mercury Battery Replacement
Date: 5 Jul 2006 04:21:51 -0700
Message-ID: <1152098511.574666.199850@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
References: <1151847426.789810.80160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Thanks for all the input.  You are right, the photo meter application
is low-current and voltage-critical, and the zinc-air cells solve the
problem beautifully.

I am intrigued by the radios you refer to, but will refrain from
researching them.  I fear I might find another hobby that I really
like.

Thanks,

S



Rune wrote:
> Cameras and meters are voltage-critiical but radios don't much care.
>
> Ray
>
> "Spencer" <spencer313@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1151847426.789810.80160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > Recently, I solved the problem of the lack of a Type 640 Mercury
> > battery as it applies to vintage photo equipment. In particular, I had
> > a Honeywell Pentax Spotmeter that needed such a battery, and was
> > useless without it.
> >
> > I ended up designing a solution, and helped save several of these
> > meters from extinction.  Later, whilst searching the 'net, I noticed a
> > post on this newsgroup which read, in part:
> >
> > "Some of you may collect vintage transistor radios of the 1960s which
> > use the
> > now obsolete mercury type 640 battery. Some examples are
> > ultra-miniaturized
> > receivers made by Sony (1R81) & Standard Radio ( the "Micronic Ruby"
> > series). "
> >
> > I thought you should know about my solution, which I have been offering
> > to the photo community.
> >
> > Here is the link:  http://www.ebiz2000.com/640MBA/
> >
> > Thank you!
> >



Article: 336731 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Terry S" <tschw10117@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
Date: 5 Jul 2006 04:51:52 -0700
Message-ID: <1152100312.637119.223290@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21>

Looks excellent, Mark. You're going to be happy it's on-line. You will
wonder why you waited so long...

Terry.


Mark Oppat wrote:
> thanks guys.  Its really nothing yet... just a small start.  I have so much
> more stuff its overwhelming...  and no time to do it all right now...  so,
> be patient,  much more to come.  Gotta focus on Extravaganza right now...
> preping, loading... pricing,  doing media work....
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>
> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:AaHqg.12058$lk7.365@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > "John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message
> > news:8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21...
> > >
> > > Finally a Webpage.... Congrats Mark
> > >
> > > http://www.oldradioparts.net
> > >
> > > John k9uwa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Congrats to Mark!
> >
> > Looks like a good start, and I'm glad to see the PayPal shopping cart
> included.  This
> > will make ordering and paying quick & simple.
> >
> > jim menning
> >
> >
> >



Article: 336732 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mike Schultz" <mls2004@SPAMSPAMSPAMverizon.net>
References: <1152045269.765910.79440@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Message-ID: <oTNqg.6399$543.4667@trnddc04>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:02:28 GMT

Pam clock motors are pieces of crap.  They are notorious for starting in the 
clockwise direction, counter-clockwise direction, or not at all, entirely at 
random.

The only solution is replacement.

-- 
Mike Schultz


<terry75115@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1152045269.765910.79440@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I have a PAM advertising clock that the motor won't move.
> Does anyone know anything about these motors?
>
> It has a rear flat mounting plate and a dial stem that's about 2" long.
> It uses a side adjustment stem that's about 8" long.
>
> please email me with any ideals.
> Thanks,
> Terry in Texas
> 




Article: 336733 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: 5 Jul 2006 05:27:05 -0700
Message-ID: <1152102425.437509.194180@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
References: <44AB42B7.D6089AB8@earthlink.net>

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Item number 640-2960 is being closed out at $3.97. (Nibbling tool),
> Item number 640-4336 is being closed out at $1.97. (Deoxit Power
> Booster),
> along with a bunch of other useful items for working on old radios,
> listed on their website.

The hand nibbler is far and away the most useful best tool for chassis
working EVER created.

The RatShack version is different than some others (e.g. the one on
page 2197 of the McMaster Carr catalog) but still worthwhile. And a lot
cheaper!

Tim.



Article: 336734 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Cassette Decks: Where to get belts?
Date: 5 Jul 2006 06:11:01 -0700
Message-ID: <1152105060.939133.200390@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>


Jim DeClercq wrote:
> Only half nonsense. Of course, o-rings will not work for ribbon belts. The
> 8-track had a square cut, and round works for that. Anything called an
> elastomer, such as o-rings, is designed, by definition, to stretch to
> twice its length without damage. Maybe what I wrote was only a quarter
> nonsense.
>
> Jim
>
> DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net> writes:
>
> : On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:19:40 +0000 (UTC), Jim DeClercq
> : <jimd@panix1.panix.com> wrote:
>
> : >Would you believe Detroit Ball Bearing? Take a stretched belt to a
> place : >that sells bearings, and they will have an o-ring in just the
> right size. <snip>
>
> : Nonesense.  This won't work for sqaure cut and ribbon type drive
> : belts, and O-rings are NOT made to be stretched and stressed as are
> : drive belts.  They will fail in short order.
>
> : Drive belts are available at many locations online.  Action
> : Electronics in Anaheim has a large selection, as do many others.
>
> --
> --
>  /"\      Jim DeClercq--jimd@panix.com--Sylvania, Ohio, USA
>  \ /      ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus!       |
>   X       against HTML mail     | Copy me into your ~/.signature|
>  / \      and postings          | to help me spread!

good points- quite few JVC, Telex, Lear Jet, Qatron 8-track decks used
round/square belts.   The latter 3 makes used dual round/square belts
on the main capstan drive pulley.  The round and square belts can be
used interchangeably, I've done that myself quite a few times.

O-rings are made to take far more pressure and adverse conditions,
heat/cold- than any drive belt ever would- using an O-ring instead of a
regular round or square belt, is making it about 10X stronger than the
belt was.  Good idea.



Article: 336735 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21> <AaHqg.12058$lk7.365@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <oM6dnerpUMWi2DbZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
Message-ID: <hWOqg.3691$Ap2.499@trnddc03>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:13:49 GMT

Kudo's to Mark!

It appears you've already learned one thing -- you don't have to spend many 
hours making a thorough online catalog with each and every part listed and 
photographed, to have a useable website.  Get the news out there that you're 
there!  Then, as time goes by, you can either leave it as is or add 
products/information at your own pace as you feel the need.

As an example, my own website features products by Custom Autosound.  If you 
want to see some work, look at the in-dash speakers page -- it has speaker 
numbers listed for each make, model, year of car, and you can click on the 
number for more information or to purchase it.  The kickpanels are similar. 
It's worth it, as I'm getting a steady stream of sales for kickpanels and 
speakers.  However I've had the website up for a long time, and only added 
this information recently.

I don't think a single page of this website is actually finished, but enough 
of it is there to work -- and I'll continue to update and change as time 
permits.  You'll find pretty much the same -- you're glad it's there, and 
you can add photos and information over time.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:oM6dnerpUMWi2DbZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> thanks guys.  Its really nothing yet... just a small start.  I have so 
> much
> more stuff its overwhelming...  and no time to do it all right now...  so,
> be patient,  much more to come.  Gotta focus on Extravaganza right now...
> preping, loading... pricing,  doing media work....
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>
> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:AaHqg.12058$lk7.365@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message
>> news:8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21...
>> >
>> > Finally a Webpage.... Congrats Mark
>> >
>> > http://www.oldradioparts.net
>> >
>> > John k9uwa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Congrats to Mark!
>>
>> Looks like a good start, and I'm glad to see the PayPal shopping cart
> included.  This
>> will make ordering and paying quick & simple.
>>
>> jim menning
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 




Article: 336736 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: terry75115@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Date: 5 Jul 2006 06:30:06 -0700
Message-ID: <1152106206.779021.181400@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
References: <1152045269.765910.79440@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>


I've determined this motor is bad.
What would be a good replacement motor and where would I buy one.
I know of one, but they sell for $69.99 +shipping and that's too much.

Thanks
Terry



Article: 336737 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 06:47:08 -0700
Message-ID: <6mgna21tc09thdvfl7bfvp2r3f205vlqsl@4ax.com>
References: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <8425-44AB5E31-1042@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:37:37 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote:

>I have found Deoxit totally usless for anything accept maybe using the
>can to prop something up . <snip>

Just about anything from RatShack is about as useful.


Article: 336738 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 06:51:04 -0700
Message-ID: <oogna2hk80d55fvf3g8khrblnqg3g4jeqo@4ax.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <RSGqg.24393$uy3.17373@tornado.socal.rr.com> <FdHqg.317216$Fs1.31854@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:28:21 GMT, "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian,"
<Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>(One finds people saying "Without Alexander Graham Bell, we wouldn't have telephones."  Such people have never considered a Meucci or a Gray.) <snip>

"Meucci....oooh!   Who's Meucci?"  "He's da Italian-American who
invented da telephone ONE year before Alexander Graham Bell."  "...and
dat's da reason you come to my home taday."  Who says people can't
learn anything from movies?  Gray's name was used later on dictation
machines and the infamous Telautograph script transmission system.


Article: 336739 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: NudoCrusher <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Cassette Decks: Where to get belts?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 06:52:33 -0700
Message-ID: <avgna25194smjkpr10eik1rlmv6i3jl5g4@4ax.com>
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <RtydnXrruem37TTZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1151962006.396902.291040@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <e8cc6s$37n$1@reader2.panix.com> <7v4ka2d20uspml0qh7ff7brb4qjn672mak@4ax.com> <e8dr28$bb2$1@reader2.panix.com> <1152105060.939133.200390@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 5 Jul 2006 06:11:01 -0700, smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com wrote:

>O-rings are made to take far more pressure and adverse conditions,
>heat/cold- than any drive belt ever would- using an O-ring instead of a
>regular round or square belt, is making it about 10X stronger than the
>belt was.  Good idea. <snip>

Now that the O-ring idea has been embraced by our apostolic idiot,
Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA, I KNOW it's wrong!


Article: 336740 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Bentonia juke joint is temple of blues
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:11:27 -0500
Message-ID: <28261-44ABC88F-794@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>

The article is in the,Local News,section of,    www.clarionledger.com
if you want to read it.The Blue Front cafe in Bentonia is a relic of the
past.Even has an old jukebox sitting in there gathering dust.Bentonia
isn't far from me,I am going to have to get over there someday and check
it out.
cuhulin



Article: 336741 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Katmandu" <katmandu@nospam.com>
References: <1151319964.784324.265150@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <1151504980.845990.321510@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <1151578170.745911.133720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   <6iapg.6307$Eh1.5459@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1151678000.189606.144770@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <TSEpg.9147$vl5.7251@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <44A71AA8.A5C654B7@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Value of Tubes...
Message-ID: <lkQqg.10783$Eh1.3198@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:49:53 GMT

> >  Reserve was only set at $60.
> >
> >   Not sure what your reference to an Emerson is ????
>
>
>    He's the resident bipolar troll that won't go away.


 Ahhh, that would make sense now. :>)




Article: 336742 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <28261-44ABC88F-794@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Bentonia juke joint is temple of blues
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:57:56 -0400
Message-ID: <OPidnTRouZl7TzbZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com>

I'm a huge blues fan.
what state are we talking here???
The link wouldnt work for me.

Mark Oppat



<cuhulin@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28261-44ABC88F-794@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net...
> The article is in the,Local News,section of,    www.clarionledger.com
> if you want to read it.The Blue Front cafe in Bentonia is a relic of the
> past.Even has an old jukebox sitting in there gathering dust.Bentonia
> isn't far from me,I am going to have to get over there someday and check
> it out.
> cuhulin
>
>





Article: 336743 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <28261-44ABC88F-794@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> <OPidnTRouZl7TzbZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Bentonia juke joint is temple of blues
Message-ID: <JzQqg.9044$Zo4.5939@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:06:17 GMT


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:OPidnTRouZl7TzbZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> I'm a huge blues fan.
> what state are we talking here???
> The link wouldnt work for me.
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>


Betonia, Mississippi.

Does this one work for you (works for me)?

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060705/NEWS/607050349/1001

jim menning 




Article: 336744 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21>   <AaHqg.12058$lk7.365@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>   <oM6dnerpUMWi2DbZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com> <1152100312.637119.223290@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:13:20 -0400
Message-ID: <dP6dnQtpoosfSzbZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@comcast.com>

No,  I know why I waited so long, and I wanted it to start in the summer...
the slower season.   Notice I didnt mention the website myself here...  I
was doing a "soft opening" on it...just to see how many orders came along
and how many folks would find it.

The Blais dials are picking up a lot since Rock Sea "closed for the
summer"... but, the rumor is he has sold the whole thing now to Radio Daze
(who bought his glass dial biz a few years ago, now they have the custom
dial and plastic dial part).

I get a lot of inquiries from customers who want a dial that has the correct
color tone and transluscency.  If its an RCA, Zenith or Philco dial, I
usually have it.  But, I can't make "custom" dials, or low demand types...
mine are real silk screen printed, in batches, on real phenolic, with the
color like you want it to be.  Expensive to make and time consuming to cut
them on a router and drill the holes....but, they are the real deal and
worth the few extra bux.

I hope to get many more pix on the site to show how extensive my parts stock
is.  Meantime, anyone reading here, just email your wants as per usual.  I
have an extensive tube stock,  phono carts and needles, idler wheels for the
real old changers,  IF cans, knobs, you name it, just email your want list
here and let me take a whack at it.

Mark Oppat


"Terry S" <tschw10117@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1152100312.637119.223290@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Looks excellent, Mark. You're going to be happy it's on-line. You will
> wonder why you waited so long...
>
> Terry.
>
>
> Mark Oppat wrote:
> > thanks guys.  Its really nothing yet... just a small start.  I have so
much
> > more stuff its overwhelming...  and no time to do it all right now...
so,
> > be patient,  much more to come.  Gotta focus on Extravaganza right
now...
> > preping, loading... pricing,  doing media work....
> >
> > Mark Oppat
> >
> >
> > "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:AaHqg.12058$lk7.365@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >
> > > "John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message
> > > news:8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21...
> > > >
> > > > Finally a Webpage.... Congrats Mark
> > > >
> > > > http://www.oldradioparts.net
> > > >
> > > > John k9uwa
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Congrats to Mark!
> > >
> > > Looks like a good start, and I'm glad to see the PayPal shopping cart
> > included.  This
> > > will make ordering and paying quick & simple.
> > >
> > > jim menning
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>





Article: 336745 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "centallica@yahoo.com" <centallica@yahoo.com>
Subject: Newbie Radio Cap Restoration in 3-gang tuning cap area question
Date: 5 Jul 2006 08:15:21 -0700
Message-ID: <1152112521.156235.203860@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Hi,

First time poster, first time radio restoration project and have hit a
road block in the project!

I'm restorong a 1936/1937 Sparton Canadian Model 107 with a tube count
of 11 including eye.

I've done all the caps under the chasis and now trying to find out how
to get at the caps in the 3-gang tuning capacitor area.

There's (4) screws on top of the chasis that allow the tuning cage be
raised up (after you de-solder 6 or so wires from below) but there's
the 3 cage-shields for each tuning area (there's 6 nuts on top of the
chasis that allow the cage-shield to be be pulled out) but once again
there's a rod that goes through all 3 tining areas preventing  the
cage-shields being pulled out successfully).

I don't know if I can or want to remove this rod after all the above is
successfully done in case it doesn't go back together easily &
successfully.  Any suggestions how to get at this area?  Can I leave
the old caps in there and still get ok results?

The schematics I have are difficult to read (on a 8 1/2 X 11" paper) as
all the numbers flow into each other and leave it open to
interpretation/guessing.  Are all the schematics the same (I got mine
>from a friend you printed them off a CD-ROM) in quality?  Anyone have a
copy they could email me to compare by chance?

I hope this radio works after this!  Hate when you second guess where
an end of a cap came from an the successfulness of this thing gonna
work :>)

Thanks and assistance is greatly appreciated!
Brian
Barrie, Ontario



Article: 336746 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
Subject: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:33:44 -0400
Message-ID: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>

If you are on the fence about coming to Lansing, here is something to think
about....

I travel from the Detroit area to Charlotte, NC for their swap every March.
Been doing that one for 12 years now.  Its about half the size of Lansing as
far as the amount of stuff available, but its a nice get away for me and the
wife in the winter, especially if we combine it with a trip to Florida to
see Leann's folks.  Its about 1300 miles round trip.  That's about 60
gallons of gas in my Caravan at 22 mpg, which is what I have repeatedly
clocked it at, fully loaded.

So, lets say you are up to 650 miles away from Lansing, as Charlotte is
approximately.  And, my mileage of 22 is about average.  So, you would burn
about 60 gallons round trip.  Gas around here is dropped back to around
$2.79/gal.  OK, so 60 gallons is $167 or so.

Gas was about $2.20 a year ago, so its 50c more per gallon, or about $30
more than last year.  Not that much...  and, that's if you are travelling a
fair distance!  You pay that much and far more in shipping a set or two off
ebay!!!

So, if you want to enjoy the largest antique radio show in the USA, and get
some great radios....

Mark Oppat





Article: 336747 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:31:06 -0500
Message-ID: <28261-44ABDB3A-831@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <dP6dnQtpoosfSzbZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@comcast.com>

Nice webpage there.The same goes for all you people who have radio
webpages.Keep up the good work.
cuhulin



Article: 336748 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Bentonia juke joint is temple of blues
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:35:34 -0500
Message-ID: <28261-44ABDC46-832@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <JzQqg.9044$Zo4.5939@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>

Mississippi here.The Home of the Blues Music and the King of Rock and
Roll,Elvis Presley.If y'all want to google it,Mississippi Trivia.
cuhulin



Article: 336749 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Bentonia juke joint is temple of blues
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:46:13 -0500
Message-ID: <28261-44ABDEC5-833@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>
References: <JzQqg.9044$Zo4.5939@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>

Check out,    www.juneberry78s.com    I think it is great.
cuhulin



Article: 336750 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "David_Winter" <d_winter@hotmail.com>
Subject: Wanted: schematic for Standard Micronic Ruby SR-H438
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:08:25 +0200
Message-ID: <44abe455$0$30299$626a54ce@news.free.fr>

Hello,

I would like to restore a miniature transistor radio made by Standard, 
called Micronic Ruby, model SR-H438.
Anyone has a schematic ?


Thanks,

David Winter 




Article: 336751 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "David_Winter" <d_winter@hotmail.com>
Subject: Wanted: schematic for Standard Micronic Ruby SR-H438
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:09:55 +0200
Message-ID: <44abe455$1$30299$626a54ce@news.free.fr>

Hello,

I would like to restore a miniature transistor radio made by Standard,
called Micronic Ruby, model SR-H438.
Anyone has a schematic ?


Thanks,

David Winter





Article: 336752 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
Subject: Charging batteries
Message-ID: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:23:51 GMT

I've got what I hope isn't a silly question.

What's the best way to charge a battery?  I have a gel cell rated at 12 
volts, 7.5 a/h.  I bought it awhile ago, and want to keep it fully 
charged -- it's a great tool; not only does it provide power and isolation 
for car radios, but on certain wonderbar types it's needed for that big 
return solenoid.  Sometimes the 10 amp bench supply isn't enough for this.

In any case, how do I go about charging?  So far, the best way I've seen is 
to connect it to the bench power supply, and adjust the output voltage so 
there is about 1/4 amp flowing into the battery -- and check back really 
often.  But what SHOULD I be doing?  Should I use a higher voltage and a 
resistor?  what's a safe current to adjust for?  I'm open to ideas.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 336753 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:20:27 -0500
Message-ID: <21652-44ABE6CB-1083@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <oogna2hk80d55fvf3g8khrblnqg3g4jeqo@4ax.com>

I get the NASA channel on DirecTV.Once in a while I tune in that channel
for Space Shuttle Discovery news.A short while ago,they were doing a
survey of the nose cone with cameras on the robotic arm.
cuhulin



Article: 336754 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mike Schultz" <mls2004@SPAMSPAMSPAMverizon.net>
References: <1152045269.765910.79440@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <oTNqg.6399$543.4667@trnddc04> <1152106206.779021.181400@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Message-ID: <fPRqg.4248$283.590@trnddc08>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:31:07 GMT

Time Savers sells a movement made by Lanshire which they say will work in a 
Pam ad clock.  I've never used one, and I don't know what difficulties you 
will encounter in mounting it, so you're on your own.  They want $23 for the 
movement plus extra for the setting stem.  You could ask them for 
recommendations.

www.timesavers.com

The movement in question is on page 33 of their catalog (available on line).

-- 
Mike Schultz


<terry75115@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1152106206.779021.181400@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> I've determined this motor is bad.
> What would be a good replacement motor and where would I buy one.
> I know of one, but they sell for $69.99 +shipping and that's too much.
>
> Thanks
> Terry
> 




Article: 336755 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lee <glog@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Cassette Decks: Where to get belts?
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <RtydnXrruem37TTZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1151962006.396902.291040@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <e8cc6s$37n$1@reader2.panix.com> <7v4ka2d20uspml0qh7ff7brb4qjn672mak@4ax.com> <e8dr28$bb2$1@reader2.panix.com> <1152105060.939133.200390@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <avgna25194smjkpr10eik1rlmv6i3jl5g4@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <44abe9ca_2@x-privat.org>
Date: 5 Jul 2006 18:33:14 +0200

NudoCrusher wrote:
> On 5 Jul 2006 06:11:01 -0700, smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
>> O-rings are made to take far more pressure and adverse conditions,
>> heat/cold- than any drive belt ever would- using an O-ring instead of a
>> regular round or square belt, is making it about 10X stronger than the
>> belt was.  Good idea. <snip>
> 
> Now that the O-ring idea has been embraced by our apostolic idiot,
> Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA, I KNOW it's wrong!

A quick google on cassette belt gives a number of sources
Regards
Lee


Article: 336756 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Help Sentinel Wow and Flutter Meter
Message-ID: <7tpna2do6i5gdf0votoa1f4kec8r8prjng@4ax.com>
References: <1152070701.023647.152580@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:44:40 GMT

On 4 Jul 2006 20:38:21 -0700, "Steve Reeves" <stevereeves@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi all.
>  Not a Radio however it does have tubes. I need to locate a schmatic
>for a Sentinel FL-3D-1 Wow and Flutter Meter. it Has 7 tubes.
>0A2
>6AL5
>(2) 12AT7
>6X4
>6U8
>6AV6
>
>This was given to me and I was replacing the filters before powering it
>up. I though I didn't need a schmatic till a wire going to chassis came
>loose. I can't tell from visual inspection where it came from and
>didn't take my normal pictures before starting work...doh.
>
>Anyone know where to find one?
>Google was not my freind.
>Regards,
>Steven Reeves


I am not familiar with the Sentinel wow and flutter meter, but there
was a well-known Varo FL-3d and FL-3d-1.  Maybe they are the same.

This place lists a manual for the Varo FL-3d-1

http://www.testequipmentcanada.com/v.html
Brian McAllister

Sarasota, Florida

email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die


Article: 336757 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:40:24 -0500
Message-ID: <21652-44ABEB78-1085@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1152106206.779021.181400@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

Any thrift stores,junk shops,flea markets,yard sales in your area? Check
around,you just might find an old electric clock with a good working
motor that will fit your clock.Every once in a while I see an old
electric clock at the Goodwill store I go to.Clock radios might have a
suitable clock motor you can use.
cuhulin



Article: 336758 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:44:15 -0500
Message-ID: <21652-44ABEC5F-1086@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1152106206.779021.181400@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

Or do a search on the internet for, Electric Clock Motors.
cuhulin



Article: 336759 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Newbie Radio Cap Restoration in 3-gang tuning cap area question
Date: 5 Jul 2006 09:58:16 -0700
Message-ID: <1152118696.847340.165750@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <1152112521.156235.203860@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>


centallica@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> First time poster, first time radio restoration project and have hit a
> road block in the project!
>
> I'm restorong a 1936/1937 Sparton Canadian Model 107 with a tube count
> of 11 including eye.
>
> I've done all the caps under the chasis and now trying to find out how
> to get at the caps in the 3-gang tuning capacitor area.
>
> There's (4) screws on top of the chasis that allow the tuning cage be
> raised up (after you de-solder 6 or so wires from below) but there's
> the 3 cage-shields for each tuning area (there's 6 nuts on top of the
> chasis that allow the cage-shield to be be pulled out) but once again
> there's a rod that goes through all 3 tining areas preventing  the
> cage-shields being pulled out successfully).
>
> I don't know if I can or want to remove this rod after all the above is
> successfully done in case it doesn't go back together easily &
> successfully.  Any suggestions how to get at this area?  Can I leave
> the old caps in there and still get ok results?
>
> The schematics I have are difficult to read (on a 8 1/2 X 11" paper) as
> all the numbers flow into each other and leave it open to
> interpretation/guessing.  Are all the schematics the same (I got mine
> from a friend you printed them off a CD-ROM) in quality?  Anyone have a
> copy they could email me to compare by chance?
>
> I hope this radio works after this!  Hate when you second guess where
> an end of a cap came from an the successfulness of this thing gonna
> work :>)
>
> Thanks and assistance is greatly appreciated!
> Brian
> Barrie, Ontario
I once made the mistake of not replacing those caps under the tuning
cap on a Sparton 987. Sure enough, a few years later one of them got
hot and shorted. I was lucky I didn't lose the transformer. I don't
know of any easy solution. I'm anxious to see what words of wisdom
other contributors will provide. I did replace those caps, but it was
very difficult. I snipped the leads close to the cap and followed the
wire nub to the right terminal or spot. I also used plenty of heat
shrink tubing to insulate the leads. Do a cold run with your soldering
iron to make sure it will fit- and see how to position it to not burn
up anything.



Article: 336760 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:03:26 -0500
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
From: John Stone <jmsent2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C0D15B0E.4E556%jmsent2@comcast.net>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>




On 7/5/06 10:33 AM, in article 8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com,
"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote:

> So, lets say you are up to 650 miles away from Lansing, as Charlotte is
> approximately.  And, my mileage of 22 is about average.  So, you would burn
> about 60 gallons round trip.  Gas around here is dropped back to around
> $2.79/gal.  OK, so 60 gallons is $167 or so.

When did you last check? Gas here in northern Illinois is at around $3.10 a
gallon and nationwide average is close to $2.90. Oil is past $74 a barrel
and rising. I think the hotel is up  from last year, and food prices have
risen as well. There's no way around it, Mark. It's getting expensive to
attend these meets. It won't stop me from coming this year, but I thought
about it much longer than I have in the past.



Article: 336761 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Tom Biasi" <tombiasi@********optonline.net>
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06>
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Message-ID: <VoSqg.744$Yf7.738@fe11.lga>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:10:42 -0400


"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06...
> I've got what I hope isn't a silly question.
>
> What's the best way to charge a battery?  I have a gel cell rated at 12 
> volts, 7.5 a/h.  I bought it awhile ago, and want to keep it fully 
> charged -- it's a great tool; not only does it provide power and isolation 
> for car radios, but on certain wonderbar types it's needed for that big 
> return solenoid.  Sometimes the 10 amp bench supply isn't enough for this.
>
> In any case, how do I go about charging?  So far, the best way I've seen 
> is to connect it to the bench power supply, and adjust the output voltage 
> so there is about 1/4 amp flowing into the battery -- and check back 
> really often.  But what SHOULD I be doing?  Should I use a higher voltage 
> and a resistor?  what's a safe current to adjust for?  I'm open to ideas.
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
>

The best way to charge any battery is follow the directions of the 
manufacturer.
Gel Cell is a lead acid battery. Follow charging instructions for those 
types of batteries.
As a "seat of the pants" method you can charge that battery at 13.5 Volts 
and keep the current under an amp.
A small lead acid battery charger like you can buy at Sears will do this 
nicely.
The model 200-71202 will also maintain a suitable float charge.
Tom 




Article: 336762 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Cassette Decks: Where to get belts?
Date: 5 Jul 2006 10:29:25 -0700
Message-ID: <1152120565.408677.319410@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>


toxcrusadr wrote:
> Ken Doyle wrote:
> > If you can still get a belt kit for it, it might be worth taking it apart
> > for a cleaning and service.  If the belt kit is NLA, then forget it.
>
> Thanks to one and all for the advice.  Where can you get belts for
> cassette decks?  Both auto and home.  I also have some VCRs that seem
> to work find other than making horrible noises, is this a belt slippage
> problem?  Where to you guys get your belts?  (And don't say down at the
> bar!)
>
> Tox

http://www.studiosoundelectronics.com/cassette.htm#BELT

ps- Tox, go to this place for VCR belts as well

another source is CEI online

belts are easy to find

keep in mind, the superior materials used in an O-ring are going to
cost a lot more than a plain rubber drive belt.  It's not unusual to
pay $5-10 each for ONE industrial o-ring.  For that much, you can buy
an entire pack of 10 belts specifically built for the machine you are
fixing.

but the O-ring idea is a good one in a pinch.  and definitely stronger
too



Article: 336763 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:36:03 -0700
Message-ID: <4942-44ABF883-536@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net>
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06>

Gary:
              I've been using these 12V gelcells as field batteries for
my RC planes for some while now, and have learned the following: if you
keep them on trickle charge constantly, even as low as 200ma, the
voltage soon goes too high (15-16V) and they're toast. I learned this
the hard way after toasting a couple of 'em. They need to be kept at no
higher than 13.8V using a 'float charger' clamped at that voltage.
                So i made a float charger based on the LM317T regulator
chip, adjusted to 13.8V, and my gelcells have been very happy ever
since. Possibly, ready-made float chargers are available thru auto
supply or motorcycle supply places, i dunno.
                R.Shack used to sell that chip, under cat.# 276-1778,
and maybe still do.                        
   Bill(oc)           



Article: 336764 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Date: 5 Jul 2006 10:50:32 -0700
Message-ID: <1152121832.661181.246340@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06>


Gary Tayman wrote:
> I've got what I hope isn't a silly question.
>
> What's the best way to charge a battery?  I have a gel cell rated at 12
> volts, 7.5 a/h.  I bought it awhile ago, and want to keep it fully
> charged -- it's a great tool; not only does it provide power and isolation
> for car radios, but on certain wonderbar types it's needed for that big
> return solenoid.  Sometimes the 10 amp bench supply isn't enough for this.
>
> In any case, how do I go about charging?  So far, the best way I've seen is
> to connect it to the bench power supply, and adjust the output voltage so
> there is about 1/4 amp flowing into the battery -- and check back really
> often.  But what SHOULD I be doing?  Should I use a higher voltage and a
> resistor?  what's a safe current to adjust for?  I'm open to ideas.
>
>
> --
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com

Rule of thumb/theory always was charge a battery the same way it is
used (slow or fast)-and preferably a slow charge when in doubt and low
amperage...

BUT...

Car batteries are charged severely FAST in a running car by the
alternator/regulator.  So in practicality, a fast charge is just as
good.  Any experienced mechanic will tell you, an alternator will
charge a battery many times faster than a dedicated battery charger
will.

Because the alternator puts out way more amperage, and slightly higher
than battery voltage.

moral- charge the hell out of it

some small electronics batteries also have a "memory" and will charge
much better, if ran completely down first until the unit they power no
longer works- but leaving a battery on drain forever will ruin it



Article: 336765 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44ABFE52.321FCB23@turneraudio.com.au>
From: Patrick Turner <info@turneraudio.com.au>
Subject: Re: Grid current limit specs for "good" output tubes?
References: <1152034518.140218.14560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:02:10 GMT



shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:

> Do any manufacturers (either of old-timey tubes or new tubes or amps)
> offer specific numeric limits on allowable grid current in a beam
> tetrode in class A or AB1? I'm thinking specifically of tubes in the
> 6L6GC/807/6146 class.
>
> I'm finding that the best of my older tubes have a grid current of a
> little less than a microamp when biased at -20 or -25V on the grid,
> 250V or 300V on the screen, and 500V or 600V on the plate for a nominal
> plate current of 30 or 40mA, most are in the low microamp range, and
> some skyrocket into the hundreds of microamps or even milliamps within
> minutes.

The ones that develop milliamps of bias grid current and hence maybe
several
+ volts across a 470k bias resistor are stuffed tubes, with gas or emitting
grids
or some leakage fault.
The makers usually specifiy the idle grid current, but seeing +0.05Vddc
across
a 470k bias R is OK. New tubes usually always have a slight -ve vdc across
the bias R but as tubes age the
grid tends to go positive, and the tube can sometimes run away thermally.



>
>
> It's possible that the bad/worst ones would be perfectly acceptable in
> a transformer-input class B modulator/audio amp or in a class C RF amp.

Just make sure that the grid current is low and the anode current remains
under control of the
grid bias voltage regardless of grid current.
Use slow blow fuses in each cathode to 0V path = about 3 times the idle
current.

Patrick Turner

>
> Tim.



Article: 336766 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:32:25 -0700
Message-ID: <4942-44AC05B9-541@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1152121832.661181.246340@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

>From 'Smogchoked..':

>..moral- charge the hell out of it. 

Uh, dude. Have you ever used these gelcells? You can charge the hell out
of car batteries for sure. But gelcells are pretty delicate critters. I
wrecked one by DIScharging it at too high a rate (by trying to 'brute
force' charge a camcorder NiCD battery from it), and the current went
considerably over 10 amps for a few seconds. The gelcell was toasted and
would not take a charge afterwards. If they're so easily wrecked by
too-high discharge current, i would assume the same is true of high
charge current, and NEVER try to charge one at higher than trickle rate.
Treat 'em with kid gloves. 

Bill(oc)  



Article: 336767 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:25:10 -0700
Message-ID: <17132-44AC1216-546@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net>
References: <4942-44AC05B9-541@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net>

Gary:
             You might consider keeping two of those in parallel as a
safety margin in case of any high current drain. 
                I have since gone to using 12 AH gels in place of the 7
AH ones for this reason. The 12s are available by special order, whereas
the 7s are sold all over the place. 
                       oc



Article: 336768 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Newbie Radio Cap Restoration in 3-gang tuning cap area question
Date: 5 Jul 2006 12:48:27 -0700
Message-ID: <1152128907.594620.302260@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
References: <1152112521.156235.203860@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Brian, I am not familiar with the Sparton 107, but I imagine it is
similar to some Rogers sets as well as Hallicrafters and others that
have paper bypass caps in totally inaccessable locations.
As you have observed, access is difficult at best and I would avoid
dismantling anythig around the tuning cap, especially if you are
inexperienced in restoration!
As mentioned by 'Aurora' the caps should be replaced since they are
undoubtedly bad and will eventually cause problems.
If you can reach the ends of the cap bodies, then you can use needle
nose pliers to grip the leads at the cap body end and twist the pliers
+/- 45 degrees until the lead breaks. Do this at each end and remove
the old cap. Form a loop on the new cap leads so they extend about 1/8"
onto the old lead stubs coming from the connection points and, again as
'Aurora" suggested, make sure you can access the connection with your
soldering iron while cold, then carefully solder the loop onto the
stub.
To make a really slim iron, you can take a Weller type 100W solder
'gun' and fabricate a 'tip' from #12 AWG 'house' wire with the
insulation stripped off. Take an 8-12" length and file the centre 1" to
a square form about 1/16" square [to help localize the heating] then
fold the wire in half, centred on that 1" with about 1/16"between the
wires back to the attachment to the 'gun'. You can shape this 'tip' to
reach into the solder location and can place bits of heat resistant
insulating material to protect components that might be touched. After
'tinning' the tip at the foldback bend, let it cool then position it at
the first solder joint, apply power and solder, then move it away a bit
and turn off and let cool some before withdrawing the tip and moving to
the next joint. You can reshape the 'tip' as needed between joints if
required.
Don't expect the tip to last more than a few 10s of connections, but
they are easy and cheap to make!
Good luck with it!

Neil S.

centallica@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> First time poster, first time radio restoration project and have hit a
> road block in the project!
>
> I'm restorong a 1936/1937 Sparton Canadian Model 107 with a tube count
> of 11 including eye.
>
> I've done all the caps under the chasis and now trying to find out how
> to get at the caps in the 3-gang tuning capacitor area.
>
> There's (4) screws on top of the chasis that allow the tuning cage be
> raised up (after you de-solder 6 or so wires from below) but there's
> the 3 cage-shields for each tuning area (there's 6 nuts on top of the
> chasis that allow the cage-shield to be be pulled out) but once again
> there's a rod that goes through all 3 tining areas preventing  the
> cage-shields being pulled out successfully).
>
> I don't know if I can or want to remove this rod after all the above is
> successfully done in case it doesn't go back together easily &
> successfully.  Any suggestions how to get at this area?  Can I leave
> the old caps in there and still get ok results?
>
> The schematics I have are difficult to read (on a 8 1/2 X 11" paper) as
> all the numbers flow into each other and leave it open to
> interpretation/guessing.  Are all the schematics the same (I got mine
> from a friend you printed them off a CD-ROM) in quality?  Anyone have a
> copy they could email me to compare by chance?
>
> I hope this radio works after this!  Hate when you second guess where
> an end of a cap came from an the successfulness of this thing gonna
> work :>)
>
> Thanks and assistance is greatly appreciated!
> Brian
> Barrie, Ontario



Article: 336769 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Tom Mills" <tsmills@pstel.net>
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06>
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:45:11 -0400
Message-ID: <vsKdnVfj9ONAuTHZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@trueband.net>

Cheep but a good 13 vdc float charger.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=42292


> I've got what I hope isn't a silly question.
>
> What's the best way to charge a battery?  I have a gel cell rated at 12 
> volts, 7.5 a/h.  I bought it awhile ago, and want to keep it fully 
> charged -- it's a great tool; not only does it provide power and isolation 
> for car radios, but on certain wonderbar types it's needed for that big 
> return solenoid.  Sometimes the 10 amp bench supply isn't enough for this.
>
> In any case, how do I go about charging?  So far, the best way I've seen 
> is to connect it to the bench power supply, and adjust the output voltage 
> so there is about 1/4 amp flowing into the battery -- and check back 
> really often.  But what SHOULD I be doing?  Should I use a higher voltage 
> and a resistor?  what's a safe current to adjust for?  I'm open to ideas.
>
>
>> 




Article: 336770 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44AC2797.B4D412C2@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
References: <44AB42B7.D6089AB8@earthlink.net> <1152102425.437509.194180@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:57:09 GMT

"shoppa@trailing-edge.com" wrote:
> 
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > Item number 640-2960 is being closed out at $3.97. (Nibbling tool),
> > Item number 640-4336 is being closed out at $1.97. (Deoxit Power
> > Booster),
> > along with a bunch of other useful items for working on old radios,
> > listed on their website.
> 
> The hand nibbler is far and away the most useful best tool for chassis
> working EVER created.
> 
> The RatShack version is different than some others (e.g. the one on
> page 2197 of the McMaster Carr catalog) but still worthwhile. And a lot
> cheaper!
> 
> Tim.


   I still prefer the original Audel nibbler, but they seem to have
disappeared a few years ago.  A harder steel frame, and a replaceable
cutting tool that was available at almost any electronics distributor.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 336771 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Stephanie Weil" <stephanienyc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: 5 Jul 2006 14:00:45 -0700
Message-ID: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>


RadioGary wrote:
> So how many of you think the Shuttle is a waste of taxpayers money?

I never think science/exploration funding is a waste of money.

If it weren't for the space shuttle, we wouldn't have things like the
Hubble Space Telescope.

Sure, it could have been sent up as payload on  a missile;  but in the
end, you always need a man's hand up there to give things a tweak and a
touch.

If anything, we need more money for research.  Eventually it benefits
mankind; if not this generation, maybe the next.

--
Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA



Article: 336772 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Stephanie Weil" <stephanienyc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: 5 Jul 2006 14:04:40 -0700
Message-ID: <1152133480.069182.281010@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
References: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com>


Ken G. wrote:
> I have found Deoxit totally usless for anything accept maybe using the
> can to prop something up .

I started using DeOxit back in 2002.  I bought four cans.  Gave two to
someone else and I'm STILL on my first can. The fourth is still
gathering dust under my bench.

I'm very happy with the stuff. A sparing amount does the trick - and
unlike the Radio Shack tuner cleaner spray, it doesn't gunk up and
attract yet MORE crap to foul up the control even more.

I wish I had enough money, I'd buy the company!  ;-P

That being said, I don't recommend it for cleaning tuning condensers.
For that, I use something called Tun-O-Wash.  It evaporates VERY
rapidly and leaves no residue, so the tuning isn't affected  as the
stuff dries.

--
Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA



Article: 336773 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Hagstar" <yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net>
Subject: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:08:25 -0400
Message-ID: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com>

Actually, no.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1930s-PHILCO-SUPER-HETERODYNE-CATHEDRAL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ160004301007

John H. 




Article: 336774 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06>
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:18:43 -0400
Message-ID: <RcWdnVqViL25sTHZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@comcast.com>

I have an Sears auto battery charger in my shop.  Owned it for many years,
its 6/12 volt.  I think you can buy them cheap, second hand even at flea
markets for $10 or so.

Mark Oppat



"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06...
> I've got what I hope isn't a silly question.
>
> What's the best way to charge a battery?  I have a gel cell rated at 12
> volts, 7.5 a/h.  I bought it awhile ago, and want to keep it fully
> charged -- it's a great tool; not only does it provide power and isolation
> for car radios, but on certain wonderbar types it's needed for that big
> return solenoid.  Sometimes the 10 amp bench supply isn't enough for this.
>
> In any case, how do I go about charging?  So far, the best way I've seen
is
> to connect it to the bench power supply, and adjust the output voltage so
> there is about 1/4 amp flowing into the battery -- and check back really
> often.  But what SHOULD I be doing?  Should I use a higher voltage and a
> resistor?  what's a safe current to adjust for?  I'm open to ideas.
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
>
>





Article: 336775 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com> <C0D15B0E.4E556%jmsent2@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:27:22 -0400
Message-ID: <Readnf8HAey2szHZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com>

here is the site that gives the gas prices across the nation...
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html

They were bobbing around $2.77-2.85 here the other day.  Not sure about
today.  take a look... interesting where the cheap gas is and where its not.

No matter what,  if you want some nice consoles (or table sets)  you can
load up at Lansing,  ship them yourself (not at the hands of the parcel
smashers!) and save some nice sets for next fall/winter's bench work.
A larger tombstone or cathedral usually costs at least $30 to ship, consoles
much more.

Mark Oppat




"John Stone" <jmsent2@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:C0D15B0E.4E556%jmsent2@comcast.net...
>
>
>
> On 7/5/06 10:33 AM, in article
8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com,
> "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote:
>
> > So, lets say you are up to 650 miles away from Lansing, as Charlotte is
> > approximately.  And, my mileage of 22 is about average.  So, you would
burn
> > about 60 gallons round trip.  Gas around here is dropped back to around
> > $2.79/gal.  OK, so 60 gallons is $167 or so.
>
> When did you last check? Gas here in northern Illinois is at around $3.10
a
> gallon and nationwide average is close to $2.90. Oil is past $74 a barrel
> and rising. I think the hotel is up  from last year, and food prices have
> risen as well. There's no way around it, Mark. It's getting expensive to
> attend these meets. It won't stop me from coming this year, but I thought
> about it much longer than I have in the past.
>
>





Article: 336776 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44AC2DF1.F51B6FD6@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06> <RcWdnVqViL25sTHZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:24:15 GMT

Mark Oppat wrote:
> 
> I have an Sears auto battery charger in my shop.  Owned it for many years,
> its 6/12 volt.  I think you can buy them cheap, second hand even at flea
> markets for $10 or so.
> 
> Mark Oppat
> 
> "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06...
> > I've got what I hope isn't a silly question.
> >
> > What's the best way to charge a battery?  I have a gel cell rated at 12
> > volts, 7.5 a/h.  I bought it awhile ago, and want to keep it fully
> > charged -- it's a great tool; not only does it provide power and isolation
> > for car radios, but on certain wonderbar types it's needed for that big
> > return solenoid.  Sometimes the 10 amp bench supply isn't enough for this.
> >
> > In any case, how do I go about charging?  So far, the best way I've seen
> is
> > to connect it to the bench power supply, and adjust the output voltage so
> > there is about 1/4 amp flowing into the battery -- and check back really
> > often.  But what SHOULD I be doing?  Should I use a higher voltage and a
> > resistor?  what's a safe current to adjust for?  I'm open to ideas.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> > http://www.taymanelectrical.com
> >
> >
> >


   Make sure that you have plenty of insurance and some place to stay
after the fire if you try that method.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 336777 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <44AB42B7.D6089AB8@earthlink.net> <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <44AC27DB.B483B028@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:31:57 -0400
Message-ID: <KK6dnRFfLPejsjHZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>

I use the Deoxit spray, as most of the time I am doing bandswitches in
radios like German sets where you cant get in there.  Pen has very limited
use for me.  For Philco pushbuttons, I can get the dremel mini wire brush in
there and polish off the oxidation, then treat with Tunerlube grease.
for rotary controls, any decent cleaner with a lubricant will work.. I
usually use Caig's spray but have many others.  Even WD40 will work fairly
well in controls.

Mark Oppat


"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:44AC27DB.B483B028@earthlink.net...
> Mark Oppat wrote:
> >
> > that Deoxit is the PEN version, Michael,  not the spray!  You didnt
mention
> > that... and I just searched all over to discover it.  The pen has
limited
> > use in antique radio.
> >
> > Mark Oppat
>
>
>    I'm truly sorry, Mark.  I had no idea that you're incapable of
> punching a hole in it and letting it drain into a bottle.
>
>
> -- 
> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
> prove it.
> Member of DAV #85.
>
> Michael A. Terrell
> Central Florida
>





Article: 336778 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Caveat Lector" <UALLBeware@9984reader.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>   <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Message-ID: <OnWqg.290$_M.244@fed1read04>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:43:10 -0700


"Stephanie Weil" <stephanienyc@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> RadioGary wrote:
>> So how many of you think the Shuttle is a waste of taxpayers money?
>
> I never think science/exploration funding is a waste of money.
>
> If it weren't for the space shuttle, we wouldn't have things like the
> Hubble Space Telescope.
>
> Sure, it could have been sent up as payload on  a missile;  but in the
> end, you always need a man's hand up there to give things a tweak and a
> touch.
>
> If anything, we need more money for research.  Eventually it benefits
> mankind; if not this generation, maybe the next.
>
> --
> Stephanie Weil
> New York City, USA
>

Well stated Stephanie 




Article: 336779 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "philo" <philo@privacy.net>
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06>
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:50:56 -0500
Message-ID: <yoednVOCC8XZqTHZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@athenet.net>


"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06...
> I've got what I hope isn't a silly question.
>
> What's the best way to charge a battery?  I have a gel cell rated at 12
> volts, 7.5 a/h.  I bought it awhile ago, and want to keep it fully
> charged -- it's a great tool; not only does it provide power and isolation
> for car radios, but on certain wonderbar types it's needed for that big
> return solenoid.  Sometimes the 10 amp bench supply isn't enough for this.
>
> In any case, how do I go about charging?  So far, the best way I've seen
is
> to connect it to the bench power supply, and adjust the output voltage so
> there is about 1/4 amp flowing into the battery -- and check back really
> often.  But what SHOULD I be doing?  Should I use a higher voltage and a
> resistor?  what's a safe current to adjust for?  I'm open to ideas.
>


A ten amp supply is plenty good...

you can charge the battery initially at 2 amps or so  then taper it down to
250 ma (or therabouts)

because it's a gel cell.... *do not* bring it up to the gassing point...

so be sure the voltage does not come up above 13.9 volts...

once it hits approx 13.9 volts at 250 ma   you could keep it there for 6
hours.

basically...the battery must NOT get hot...but a bit warm is normal




Article: 336780 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz>
References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com>
Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:01:08 -0700
Message-ID: <sbednRFfLPczqzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@giganews.com>

On the other hand, a Philco model 70 is a reasonably cool radio. And paint 
stripper is cheap :-)

I wonder if the arch piece in back is a replacement. Awfully light in color, 
for one thing.

Regards,

Phil Nelson
Phil's Old Radios
http://antiqueradio.org/index.html




Article: 336781 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: WTB: Grunow 7C Chassis model 750 and 751
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <Fp_pg.16956$FQ1.13546@attbi_s71>
Message-ID: <tKWqg.65467$1i1.11712@attbi_s72>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:07:21 GMT

In article <Fp_pg.16956$FQ1.13546@attbi_s71>, 
k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF says...
>
>
>Looking for a Grunow 750 or 751 chassis... rusty junker is fine..
>I need some coils from the chassis.. this is a Grunow General Household
>model 7C Chassis.. 
>
>John k9uwa
>


Make that a model 760 and 761 ... NOT 750 751 ... I messed up...
hope someone has one in the bone pile..

John



Article: 336782 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Rune" <rrooney@ucwphillyDOTrr.com>
References: <1151847426.789810.80160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   <ELyqg.15878$ci.13226@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> <1152098511.574666.199850@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Type 640 Mercury Battery Replacement
Message-ID: <YSWqg.16622$%h.4778@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:16:24 GMT

LOL! I know the danger well! I'm already there. Cameras, radios, trains, and 
more. So many hobbies, so little time.

Ray

"Spencer" <spencer313@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1152098511.574666.199850@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks for all the input.  You are right, the photo meter application
> is low-current and voltage-critical, and the zinc-air cells solve the
> problem beautifully.
>
> I am intrigued by the radios you refer to, but will refrain from
> researching them.  I fear I might find another hobby that I really
> like.
>
> Thanks,
>
> S
>
>
>
> Rune wrote:
>> Cameras and meters are voltage-critiical but radios don't much care.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> "Spencer" <spencer313@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1151847426.789810.80160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> > Recently, I solved the problem of the lack of a Type 640 Mercury
>> > battery as it applies to vintage photo equipment. In particular, I had
>> > a Honeywell Pentax Spotmeter that needed such a battery, and was
>> > useless without it.
>> >
>> > I ended up designing a solution, and helped save several of these
>> > meters from extinction.  Later, whilst searching the 'net, I noticed a
>> > post on this newsgroup which read, in part:
>> >
>> > "Some of you may collect vintage transistor radios of the 1960s which
>> > use the
>> > now obsolete mercury type 640 battery. Some examples are
>> > ultra-miniaturized
>> > receivers made by Sony (1R81) & Standard Radio ( the "Micronic Ruby"
>> > series). "
>> >
>> > I thought you should know about my solution, which I have been offering
>> > to the photo community.
>> >
>> > Here is the link:  http://www.ebiz2000.com/640MBA/
>> >
>> > Thank you!
>> >
> 




Article: 336783 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com> <sbednRFfLPczqzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
Message-ID: <Y6Xqg.9059$Zo4.168@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:33:28 GMT


"Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz> wrote in message 
news:sbednRFfLPczqzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
> I wonder if the arch piece in back is a replacement. Awfully light in color, for 
> one thing.
>
>

And crooked.

jim menning 




Article: 336784 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:21:47 -0500
Message-ID: <26031-44AC3B7B-754@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
References: <OnWqg.290$_M.244@fed1read04>

I am all for Space Exploration.I dont believe it is a waste of
money.Someday,we might have to send things into outer space to knock our
or change the trajectory of things out there that might threatning Earth
and all life on Earth.
cuhulin



Article: 336785 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com> <C0D15B0E.4E556%jmsent2@comcast.net> <Readnf8HAey2szHZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Message-ID: <raXqg.9060$Zo4.2041@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:37:11 GMT


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:Readnf8HAey2szHZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> here is the site that gives the gas prices across the nation...
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html
>

gasbuddy is more up-to-date.  http://www.gasbuddy.com/

It's worth checking out to plan your gas stops along the way on any long trip.

jim menning




Article: 336786 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06> <yoednVOCC8XZqTHZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@athenet.net>
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Message-ID: <THXqg.20593$Ap2.15531@trnddc03>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:12:51 GMT

What I'm trying to do is NOT be harsh to the battery.

On the side it says 12 volts.  I measured 12.3 volts, but then it's not 
charged.  Is it 12.6?  13.2?  13.8?  I can only find out after charging it.

>From what I've gathered, it seems the best way is to set the power supply 
for 13.8 volts, put a resistor in series, and let it sit for awhile.  If 
only a few milliamps flow, it may take awhile but it should charge.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message 
news:yoednVOCC8XZqTHZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@athenet.net...
>
> "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06...
>> I've got what I hope isn't a silly question.
>>
>> What's the best way to charge a battery?  I have a gel cell rated at 12
>> volts, 7.5 a/h.  I bought it awhile ago, and want to keep it fully
>> charged -- it's a great tool; not only does it provide power and 
>> isolation
>> for car radios, but on certain wonderbar types it's needed for that big
>> return solenoid.  Sometimes the 10 amp bench supply isn't enough for 
>> this.
>>
>> In any case, how do I go about charging?  So far, the best way I've seen
> is
>> to connect it to the bench power supply, and adjust the output voltage so
>> there is about 1/4 amp flowing into the battery -- and check back really
>> often.  But what SHOULD I be doing?  Should I use a higher voltage and a
>> resistor?  what's a safe current to adjust for?  I'm open to ideas.
>>
>
>
> A ten amp supply is plenty good...
>
> you can charge the battery initially at 2 amps or so  then taper it down 
> to
> 250 ma (or therabouts)
>
> because it's a gel cell.... *do not* bring it up to the gassing point...
>
> so be sure the voltage does not come up above 13.9 volts...
>
> once it hits approx 13.9 volts at 250 ma   you could keep it there for 6
> hours.
>
> basically...the battery must NOT get hot...but a bit warm is normal
>
> 




Article: 336787 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <1151671380.167474.157010@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <u8idnYNjMdAO6zjZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>   <yhrpg.79908$mF2.76945@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <1151821709.730079.177160@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Is this Philco worth the bid price?
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:19:29 -0400
Message-ID: <UuudnXnHk4YKYjrZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com>

RE: 37-116 on eBay...

RadioGary wrote:

>>>I bet they sound good once they're fired up and working.

WAY more than "good" Gary!  These are fantastic radios. Push pull 6A3
outputs as I recall., 15 tubes total.

 They require an extensive amount of time to recap and relube the dial
drive, however.  Not a set for a beginner to restore, for sure.

Mark Oppat








Article: 336788 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net>
References: <44abe455$0$30299$626a54ce@news.free.fr>
Subject: Re: Wanted: schematic for Standard Micronic Ruby SR-H438
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:29:58 -0700
Message-ID: <FbqdnfvFsrAU1jHZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@comcast.com>

That model, unfortunately, is one of several that has serious
battery-contact problems. It might not be worth fixing, but that's your
call.




Article: 336789 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: 5 Jul 2006 16:39:24 -0700
Message-ID: <1152142764.747498.222640@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>


Mark Oppat wrote:
> If you are on the fence about coming to Lansing, here is something to think
> about....
>
> I travel from the Detroit area to Charlotte, NC for their swap every March.
> Been doing that one for 12 years now.  Its about half the size of Lansing as
> far as the amount of stuff available, but its a nice get away for me and the
> wife in the winter, especially if we combine it with a trip to Florida to
> see Leann's folks.  Its about 1300 miles round trip.  That's about 60
> gallons of gas in my Caravan at 22 mpg, which is what I have repeatedly
> clocked it at, fully loaded.
>
> So, lets say you are up to 650 miles away from Lansing, as Charlotte is
> approximately.  And, my mileage of 22 is about average.  So, you would burn
> about 60 gallons round trip.  Gas around here is dropped back to around
> $2.79/gal.  OK, so 60 gallons is $167 or so.
>
> Gas was about $2.20 a year ago, so its 50c more per gallon, or about $30
> more than last year.  Not that much...  and, that's if you are travelling a
> fair distance!  You pay that much and far more in shipping a set or two off
> ebay!!!
>
> So, if you want to enjoy the largest antique radio show in the USA, and get
> some great radios....
>
> Mark Oppat

even with gas prices what they are, the difference in now and 2 years
ago still is not a real reason not to do something you enjoy.  except
for the few that make money doing this, old radios are pretty much
money up the cat's butt anyway.  it's not the gas money, it's the time,
the hotel, the food....and the biggie...the money i would spend on old
radios. it would cost me 1 large minimum.



Article: 336790 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
Date: 5 Jul 2006 16:43:59 -0700
Message-ID: <1152143039.694207.241890@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21>


Mark Oppat wrote:
> No,  I know why I waited so long, and I wanted it to start in the summer...
> the slower season.   Notice I didnt mention the website myself here...  I
> was doing a "soft opening" on it...just to see how many orders came along
> and how many folks would find it.
>
> The Blais dials are picking up a lot since Rock Sea "closed for the
> summer"... but, the rumor is he has sold the whole thing now to Radio Daze
> (who bought his glass dial biz a few years ago, now they have the custom
> dial and plastic dial part).
>
> I get a lot of inquiries from customers who want a dial that has the correct
> color tone and transluscency.  If its an RCA, Zenith or Philco dial, I
> usually have it.  But, I can't make "custom" dials, or low demand types...
> mine are real silk screen printed, in batches, on real phenolic, with the
> color like you want it to be.  Expensive to make and time consuming to cut
> them on a router and drill the holes....but, they are the real deal and
> worth the few extra bux.
>
> I hope to get many more pix on the site to show how extensive my parts stock
> is.  Meantime, anyone reading here, just email your wants as per usual.  I
> have an extensive tube stock,  phono carts and needles, idler wheels for the
> real old changers,  IF cans, knobs, you name it, just email your want list
> here and let me take a whack at it.
>
> Mark Oppat
>
 oh my gosh...now mark will answer every post with "i have that on my
website, click here"....just kidding mark.  would you like to be the
exclusive dealer on my SC mirror tops...or my AK breadboard display
stands?



Article: 336791 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Lynn Coffelt" <coffelt2@comcast.net>
Subject:  audio cassette player belts and rollers?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:01:12 -0700
Message-ID: <zuCdnbikLPdNzzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com>

     Teac A350 cassette deck, vintage 1970 or so? At one time one could buy
a kit of rubber parts (belts, rollers, etc) from several suppliers. I've
spent an hour "Googling" and cannot find much help. Where to look now, at
least for belts?
     This was a really good deck that I'd like to "tune-up" to capture my
old tapes to CD or DVD-RAM before it's too late!
Thanks for any leads.
Old Chief Lynn




Article: 336792 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Bob Weiss <bob.weiss@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <xpYqg.11991$543.8370@trnddc04>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:01:33 GMT

RadioGary wrote:
> So how many of you think the Shuttle is a waste of taxpayers money?
> 

Compared to what?

The shuttle is an aging dinosaur, but I would rather see my tax money 
going to NASA to finish the program gracefully than see it used for 
dropping bombs on Iraqi children, given away as corporate welfare to the 
likes of Halliburton and Enron, or used as a grant to some 
fundamentalist "faith-based" ripoff scam.

What we really need is a system where the distribution of the federal 
budget is determined by checkoff boxes on everybody's tax return. :) But 
that might be dangerously close to democracy.

Go Discovery! :)

Bob Weiss N2IXK


Article: 336793 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: 5 Jul 2006 17:11:50 -0700
Message-ID: <1152144710.107794.3360@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>


Who know's what gas will cost next year.  I imagine it's not going to
be a buck fifty per gallon or less.  Gas up, share the ride with a few
others, and enjoyy the fest.   I did the same thing when going to the
Dayton Hamvention this past year.   You may never see gas prices this
low again.



Article: 336794 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Wanted: schematic for Standard Micronic Ruby SR-H438
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:08:24 -0600
Message-ID: <22871-44AC5478-359@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <FbqdnfvFsrAU1jHZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Whaaa .. battery contacts are easy to make & replace . 



Article: 336795 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" <kc4yoy@NOSPAM.carolina.rr.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <xpYqg.11991$543.8370@trnddc04>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Message-ID: <dIYqg.6238$4c7.668@tornado.southeast.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:21:29 GMT

Bob Weiss <bob.weiss@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:xpYqg.11991$543.8370@trnddc04...
> What we really need is a system where the distribution of the federal
> budget is determined by checkoff boxes on everybody's tax return. :) But
> that might be dangerously close to democracy.
>
>

That's one of the problems with "democracy",
most of the people that pay taxes are way to STUPID
to be allowed to take part in that kind of decision making.

98+% of the general population is too dumb to handle
anything more complicated than a light switch.
The only reason they don't mess that up is that the
switches won't stop in the middle.

If breathing wasn't an autonomic reflex, most people
would just fall over dead because they'd forget to breath.

Heaven (or someone) help us if the general public were
allowed to make those kind of decisions.


But, that's just my opinion.

Ron






Article: 336796 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:19:21 -0600
Message-ID: <22871-44AC5709-362@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
References: <44AC3798.108E9F42@earthlink.net>

Everything i put Deoxit in got scratchy again within 3 months rather it
be band switches , pots or tube sockets . When i use WD-40 that does not
happen . Things sprayed with WD long ago are still clean . I have never
ever had WD turn hard in any control or switch .... ever  



Article: 336797 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <O%uqg.734$Og3.711@trnddc06>   <3Ewqg.6139$4c7.3777@tornado.southeast.rr.com>   <6tOdncgxj9PMczfZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com> <1152054407.626732.227390@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <anDqg.3952$543.2953@trnddc04> <Y0Gqg.816358$084.319514@attbi_s22>
Message-ID: <W0Zqg.65623$1i1.31411@attbi_s72>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:43:34 GMT

In article <Y0Gqg.816358$084.319514@attbi_s22>, 
k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF says...
>
>
Thought perhaps I might start pimping this years Summer Indiana Historical
Radio Club event ...

This year it has MOVED LOCATIONS ... no more Elkhart, IN

this year the event is being held in Ligioner, IN ... 

What?????? 

Where the hell is Ligonier, IN ????????

Well this just happens to be the home of the Indiana Historical Radio 
Society's Museum ... yes we in Indiana have a nice Museum .. full of
nice old radios... in a nicely refurbished Historical Bldg... it used
to be an old Gas Station ... one of those brick structures with the
big porch like affair to drive under to get the attendant... to fill'er
Up with Ethel please... 

The bad side... I remember when I was a kid the Gas Station!.. 

This years Event will be at the Museum... with a nice Flea Setup
down the street about 5 blocks... Ligonier Community Center 

inside and outside flea area.. your choice for setup.. 

The Community Center is also the home of the IHRS Low Power FM station
WNRL on 105.9 FM

So ... mark it down on your Calendars  August 12 th  

In Addition to the Radio meet Ted Rogers is having an open house
for the club members and guests to see his fantastic Radio Collection.

242 radios .. all 100% restored perfectly including the "Zenith Room"
with 40 some Zeniths including his 1000Z Stratosphere ... 

So plan to attend the Indiana Summer Meet... 

see U guys all at Lansing

John k9uwa



Article: 336798 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: b_hagen@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: audio cassette player belts and rollers?
Date: 5 Jul 2006 17:56:48 -0700
Message-ID: <1152147408.824026.253570@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
References: <zuCdnbikLPdNzzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Hi Lynn:

Google Russell Industries then go to their EVG division. Good people.

Bruce


Lynn Coffelt wrote:
> Teac A350 cassette deck, vintage 1970 or so? At one time one could buy
> a kit of rubber parts (belts, rollers, etc) from several suppliers. I've
> spent an hour "Googling" and cannot find much help. Where to look now, at
> least for belts?
>      This was a really good deck that I'd like to "tune-up" to capture my
> old tapes to CD or DVD-RAM before it's too late!
> Thanks for any leads.
> Old Chief Lynn



Article: 336799 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" <gerryu21220@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
Date: 5 Jul 2006 18:00:10 -0700
Message-ID: <1152147610.545174.156890@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com>

Any chance that case is from a modern repro?  Looks just like the one I
have in the shed, and that is a modern repro with a cassette on the
side.  The paint may be hiding any changes made to make the old chassis
fit...



Article: 336800 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: terry75115@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Date: 5 Jul 2006 18:13:20 -0700
Message-ID: <1152148400.901460.272440@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <1152106206.779021.181400@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>


I have research the internet with no luck.
Searching in a thrift store is no good. The motor I need only works on
a PAM clock.
It is mounted from the rear of the motor. I would say that 99% of all
clock motors are front mounted.

Terry



Article: 336801 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "William R. Walsh" <newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.com>
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06> <yoednVOCC8XZqTHZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@athenet.net> <THXqg.20593$Ap2.15531@trnddc03>
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Message-ID: <9CZqg.65662$1i1.23191@attbi_s72>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:23:17 GMT

Hi!

> On the side it says 12 volts.  I measured 12.3 volts, but then it's not
> charged.  Is it 12.6?  13.2?  13.8?  I can only find out after charging
it.

It sounds pretty well charged to me. Per my understanding, when the battery
voltage drops to 10 or 11 volts, then it is discharged. Beyond that it is
deeply discharged and you run the risk of damaging it if you leave it that
way for too long.

Most charging systems I'm familiar with do the "big" charging at 14.1 or so
volts DC. As the battery comes up, and if the regulation is working, this
should taper down to about 13.5 volts.

The biggest thing to avoid doing is overcharging the battery, or getting it
too hot. For the application, I'd seriously consider purchase of an
automotive battery charger that can "float" charge a battery in a vehicle
that's being stored. This would keep your battery up properly without the
risk of burning it up.

William




Article: 336802 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:27:00 -0400
From: Stewart Schooley <genus@ncweb.com>
Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com>   <sbednRFfLPczqzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@giganews.com>   <Y6Xqg.9059$Zo4.168@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1152147610.545174.156890@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <D9ydnWHUfObA-jHZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@bright.net>

gerryu21220@gmail.com wrote:
> Any chance that case is from a modern repro?  Looks just like the one I
> have in the shed, and that is a modern repro with a cassette on the
> side.  The paint may be hiding any changes made to make the old chassis
> fit...
> 
I don't think so. In the straight on back view you can see the two ply 
construction which ends where the arch begins.

Stewart


Article: 336803 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:49:17 -0400
From: Stewart Schooley <genus@ncweb.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>
Message-ID: <U5qdnREZMqIL8THZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@bright.net>

Gary Tayman wrote:
> My wife was watching TV, and I heard them covering the launch of the space 
> shuttle.  So I decided to go outside to watch.  I took the H-500 
> Transoceanic with me, but could not find a radio station that was covering 
> it.
> 
> In any case, I watched, and watched, and watched, but didn't see no stinkin' 
> shuttle!  There must've been a cloud in just the right place.  Usually I can 
> indeed see it from my driveway, looking just over the house.  Neighbors also 
> were outside looking, but could not find it.
> 
> Normally, during the day it looks like an airplane flying overhead, but 
> brighter and headed straight up.  At night you see a vertical bright line in 
> the sky.  This, from Sarasota which is on the west coast -- across the state 
> from Cape Canaveral.
> 
> I definitely know when it lands here -- I hear the sonic boom.
> 
> 
This isn't a social or political OT discussion so I can comment on it.

Check out this site about a fascinating government/private 
collaboration. What is interesting to me is that construction will begin 
next year and the test hole to study carbon dioxide sequestration was 
done only last year.

http://www.futuregenalliance.org/

Here's another good one. The EPA funded the research and owns the patent 
to this technology. It could be that the government can get part or all 
of the money back. Maybe make a profit....WOW!!!!

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/06/26/epa-unveils-hydraulic-hybrid-ups-delivery-truck/

Stewart


Article: 336804 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Beloved Leader" <Kim_Jong_Il@volcanomail.com>
Subject: Old Ads
Date: 5 Jul 2006 19:20:24 -0700
Message-ID: <1152152424.376391.215410@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>

Old Ads
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/

Click "Browse Ad*Access"

Old Radio Ads
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/dynaweb/adaccess/radio/@Generic__CollectionView
or
http://tinyurl.com/m9y72

Audiophiles Got an Early Start
http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/dynaweb/adaccess/radio/1922-1929/@Generic__BookTextView/1381
or
http://tinyurl.com/o5ybx



Article: 336805 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: pgonshor@aol.com
Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
Date: 5 Jul 2006 19:24:09 -0700
Message-ID: <1152152649.115385.298070@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com>


Hagstar wrote:
> Actually, no.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/1930s-PHILCO-SUPER-HETERODYNE-CATHEDRAL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ160004301007
>
> John H.
Hey guys.  Lighten up!  My mother, God rest her sole, died at the age
of 87.  She died of an automobile accident.  She loved the antique
kits.  You could paint an old thing, apply antique gel and it looked
great (to her).  Little did she know that it was ruining the radio, or
whatever.  It was the craze.  Easy for you to criticize it.  Just use
some finish remover, and you're there.  No need to make fun of it.
Dave



Article: 336806 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve Reeves" <stevereeves@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Help Sentinel Wow and Flutter Meter
Date: 5 Jul 2006 19:29:30 -0700
Message-ID: <1152152970.270350.185450@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
References: <1152070701.023647.152580@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

I'm not sure if the Varo is the same. Does anyone here own the Varo? If
so does your tube line-up match mine. I don't mind spending money for a
schematic I just don't want to waste money if it isn't the correct one.
This unit looks like it could have been a kit (or the assemblers were
having a bad soldering day) Anyone own any Sentinel equipment?
Regards,
Steven Reeves
Brian McAllister wrote:
> On 4 Jul 2006 20:38:21 -0700, "Steve Reeves" <stevereeves@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi all.
> >  Not a Radio however it does have tubes. I need to locate a schmatic
> >for a Sentinel FL-3D-1 Wow and Flutter Meter. it Has 7 tubes.
> >0A2
> >6AL5
> >(2) 12AT7
> >6X4
> >6U8
> >6AV6
> >
> >This was given to me and I was replacing the filters before powering it
> >up. I though I didn't need a schmatic till a wire going to chassis came
> >loose. I can't tell from visual inspection where it came from and
> >didn't take my normal pictures before starting work...doh.
> >
> >Anyone know where to find one?
> >Google was not my freind.
> >Regards,
> >Steven Reeves
>
>
> I am not familiar with the Sentinel wow and flutter meter, but there
> was a well-known Varo FL-3d and FL-3d-1.  Maybe they are the same.
>
> This place lists a manual for the Varo FL-3d-1
>
> http://www.testequipmentcanada.com/v.html
> Brian McAllister
>
> Sarasota, Florida
> 
> email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die



Article: 336807 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Art's Antique Radios" <art@myantiqueradio.com>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>   <1152142764.747498.222640@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152144710.107794.3360@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:39:52 -0500
Message-ID: <sbOdnZ_qf6lr6jHZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com>

For those of you South and West, save gas and don't forget Bolingbrook 
August 3-4-5.

Last year at the new location was a huge success.  This year promises to be 
even better.

Social Thursday night and selling starts Friday morning.

2 auctions on Saturday AM






"RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1152144710.107794.3360@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Who know's what gas will cost next year.  I imagine it's not going to
> be a buck fifty per gallon or less.  Gas up, share the ride with a few
> others, and enjoyy the fest.   I did the same thing when going to the
> Dayton Hamvention this past year.   You may never see gas prices this
> low again.
> 




Article: 336808 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Art's Antique Radios" <art@myantiqueradio.com>
Subject: Bolingbrook Radiofest
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:43:14 -0500
Message-ID: <gp6dnT_s-a1d5THZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com>

The event flyer is now on the club's web site at

http://www.antique-radios.org/pdf/flyer2006.pdf

And the schedule of events is at

http://www.antique-radios.org/rfdaysked2006.htm


Don't miss one of the premier shows in the Midwest.





Article: 336809 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
Subject: Add to the list of oddities
Message-ID: <mZ_qg.3137$Og3.745@trnddc06>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 02:56:18 GMT

Today I dug into a car radio (for conversion) and noticed something rather 
strange.  This is from a 56 Ford, but it's not the typical Motorola, but a 
Bendix.  Yes, for a lot of Fords of this era, you got pot luck as to whether 
it had a Motorola or Bendix radio.

In any case, it's the very first such radio I've ever seen with a printed 
circuit board and a vibrator power supply in the same box!  Generally all 
PCB car radios are either solid state or hybrid -- although some 57 Delcos 
used a PCB with the vibrator on a separate power unit.  Not only that, this 
radio doesn't use the typical 4-pin vibrator used in every other Ford, but a 
3 pin Delco type!  I bet back in the day there were a lot of return trips to 
Pep Boys, or wherever vibrators were sold.

The late 50's were definitely a transition period for car radios.  Before 
about 1953, all radios were 6 volts with vibrator power supplies.  Then some 
12 volt systems began to appear.  Then vibrator types were replaced with 
hybrid radios with transistorized outputs.  There were tube radios with 
PCB's, and there was at least one solid state radio with chassis wiring (57 
Cadillac Eldorado).  The 58 Lincoln offered FM (with tubes) and if I'm not 
mistaken, the 58 Cadillac was the last radio to use a vibrator even though 
the year before they had a solid state unit!

What really gets me is the tone controls on these radios.  For that 1953-58 
period, many radios did away with the tone controls and replaced them with 
switches.  Even stranger is the fact that the switches appeared on the 
luxury/deluxe models.  For example, a 56 Chevy wonderbar radio has a tone 
control, while the 56 Cadillac has a switch -- aside from that the radios 
are nearly identical.  Also, some tone controls were strangely built.  Some 
had one end of the pad shorted to ground; others had a "split" in the center 
of the pad; still others had a gap in the pad at one end, just before the 
terminal lug.  Why make a special control when you just don't connect 
anything to the lug?  Fortunately, except for the 61-62 T-Bird, just about 
all radios made after 1958 got their tone controls back.

Oh yes, and how can I forget the 57 T-Bird, where one knob uses a D shaft 
and the other is split?  It's the only radio I know of that does that.

Makes you wonder what they were thinking . . .



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 336810 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:57:21 -0700
Message-ID: <9067-44AC7C11-38@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: <yoednVOCC8XZqTHZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@athenet.net>

>From philo:

>basically...the battery must NOT get 
>hot...

Correct.

>...but a bit warm is normal

Yikes. If mine, which are kept floating at 13.8V, were to get the least
bit above ambient temp, i'd be freakin' out. 

Back when i destroyed 2 of 'em by charging them with an unregulated
wallwart, they were barely warm to the touch. 
                    oc   



Article: 336811 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:45:23 -0700
Message-ID: <3jroa2da7m5vjje5oju8eb79bp01tdebtf@4ax.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <xpYqg.11991$543.8370@trnddc04>

On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:01:33 GMT, Bob Weiss <bob.weiss@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Compared to what?
>
>The shuttle is an aging dinosaur, but I would rather see my tax money 
>going to NASA to finish the program gracefully than see it used for 
>dropping bombs on Iraqi children, given away as corporate welfare to the 
>likes of Halliburton and Enron, or used as a grant to some 
>fundamentalist "faith-based" ripoff scam. <snip>

Give that man a prize...well said!  Time to rise up against all this
ridiculousness in the US which is driving us toward third world status
and move on.

Typical coward in action:  Rather than pay for his crimes, Bush Bird's
big money pal, Kenny Boy Lay, just died of "heart disease."  How much
do you want to bet that Bush Bird/Cheney had him snuffed?  A guy like
Lay had to have figured, "If I'm going down, they're ALL goin' down!"


Article: 336812 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Arthur Dent" <igtowner@cox.net>
References: <zuCdnbikLPdNzzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re:  audio cassette player belts and rollers?
Message-ID: <B7%qg.111397$TK1.70529@fed1read06>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:07:11 -0700

You might try this place:
http://www.electronicscorner.com/prb.htm
Prb used to have lots of belts.
Haven't used them recently.
Glen


"Lynn Coffelt" <coffelt2@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:zuCdnbikLPdNzzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>     Teac A350 cassette deck, vintage 1970 or so? At one time one could buy
> a kit of rubber parts (belts, rollers, etc) from several suppliers. I've
> spent an hour "Googling" and cannot find much help. Where to look now, at
> least for belts?
>     This was a really good deck that I'd like to "tune-up" to capture my
> old tapes to CD or DVD-RAM before it's too late!
> Thanks for any leads.
> Old Chief Lynn
>
> 




Article: 336813 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: audio cassette player belts and rollers?
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:49:14 -0700
Message-ID: <qfuoa2hd5m8mrqejjqeunj5sspqjh95smu@4ax.com>
References: <zuCdnbikLPdNzzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com>

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:01:12 -0700, "Lynn Coffelt"
<coffelt2@comcast.net> wrote:

>     This was a really good deck that I'd like to "tune-up" to capture my
>old tapes to CD or DVD-RAM before it's too late! <snip>

Relax...your cassettes will probably outlive any CD-R/DVD-R copies.
Shelf life on that stuff is abyssmal.


Article: 336814 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>   <1152142764.747498.222640@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152144710.107794.3360@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <sbOdnZ_qf6lr6jHZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:22:52 -0400
Message-ID: <QOOdnRYF3MjgHDHZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Art,
if they plan to enforce the Friday morning start time, I will return to this
premier ARCI event this year for the first time since 1998!
My feeling is the "pre-selling" is what started the big decline at Elgin.
It got to the point in the early 90's where folks were selling 2 or 3 days
before the "start" of the event!  The Saturday just never existed in the
flea market, which was very sad as the general public would show up and see
nothing.   I remember a fair number of the general public coming to Elgin,
too, so I know they were putting out some decent publicity.

the new location is a big big plus, too.   Its great to see this event
coming back to its former glory.   Rochester, you guys listening???

Mark Oppat


"Art's Antique Radios" <art@myantiqueradio.com> wrote in message
news:sbOdnZ_qf6lr6jHZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> For those of you South and West, save gas and don't forget Bolingbrook
> August 3-4-5.
>
> Last year at the new location was a huge success.  This year promises to
be
> even better.
>
> Social Thursday night and selling starts Friday morning.
>
> 2 auctions on Saturday AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1152144710.107794.3360@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Who know's what gas will cost next year.  I imagine it's not going to
> > be a buck fifty per gallon or less.  Gas up, share the ride with a few
> > others, and enjoyy the fest.   I did the same thing when going to the
> > Dayton Hamvention this past year.   You may never see gas prices this
> > low again.
> >
>
>
>





Article: 336815 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:48:41 -0400
Message-ID: <12ap20s4cipoca2@news.supernews.com>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com> <C0D15B0E.4E556%jmsent2@comcast.net> <Readnf8HAey2szHZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com> <raXqg.9060$Zo4.2041@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <44ac561e$0$941$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>

"Martin Crossley" <Martin@g8uwm.NOSPAMabelgratis.net> wrote in message 
news:44ac561e$0$941$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> jim menning wrote:
>> "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message
>> news:Readnf8HAey2szHZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> here is the site that gives the gas prices across the nation...
>>> http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html
>>>
>>
>> gasbuddy is more up-to-date.  http://www.gasbuddy.com/
>>
>> It's worth checking out to plan your gas stops along the way on any
>> long trip.
>> jim menning
>
>
>
> http://www.petrolprices.com/
> 0.96*1.835*3.785=6.67 US dollars/US gallon.
> Martin(Stockport)

Yes, yes, yes, Martin, poor Europe, gas prices are higher there (and they 
have been since WWII, and even before, for all I know).  But two things to 
remember in Europe: nothing is -that- far away, and when you get there you 
won't find a parking space anyway, so stay home or take public transit.

:)

In our part of Canada, gas (regular) is at ~ C$1.08/litre, but who cares 
when you drive an Echo? 




Article: 336816 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06> <yoednVOCC8XZqTHZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@athenet.net> <THXqg.20593$Ap2.15531@trnddc03>
Message-ID: <_K%qg.24683$uy3.1936@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 03:49:14 GMT



Gary Tayman wrote:
> What I'm trying to do is NOT be harsh to the battery.

Then do it correctly.

Either:

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/circ/bcgla.htm
or
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/circ/bcgla2.htm

Both are simple enough to assemble with a minimal number
of parts.

Jeff

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 336817 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Eddie Brimer" <eb062559@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: 5 Jul 2006 20:50:11 -0700
Message-ID: <1152157811.336226.248970@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>


DeserTBoB wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:01:33 GMT, Bob Weiss <bob.weiss@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Compared to what?
> >
> >The shuttle is an aging dinosaur, but I would rather see my tax money
> >going to NASA to finish the program gracefully than see it used for
> >dropping bombs on Iraqi children, given away as corporate welfare to the
> >likes of Halliburton and Enron, or used as a grant to some
> >fundamentalist "faith-based" ripoff scam. <snip>
>
> Give that man a prize...well said!  Time to rise up against all this
> ridiculousness in the US which is driving us toward third world status
> and move on.
>
> Typical coward in action:  Rather than pay for his crimes, Bush Bird's
> big money pal, Kenny Boy Lay, just died of "heart disease."  How much
> do you want to bet that Bush Bird/Cheney had him snuffed?  A guy like
> Lay had to have figured, "If I'm going down, they're ALL goin' down!"

and desertedbob comes atrollin'



Article: 336818 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
References: <44AB42B7.D6089AB8@earthlink.net> <1152102425.437509.194180@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <44AC2797.B4D412C2@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <cM%qg.24684$uy3.10819@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 03:50:32 GMT

Michael A. Terrell wrote:\

>    I still prefer the original Audel nibbler, but they seem to have
> disappeared a few years ago.  A harder steel frame, and a replaceable
> cutting tool that was available at almost any electronics distributor.

Ideal makes one that is a pretty good replacement. And has replacable
cutters.

Jeff


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RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
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Article: 336819 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
References: <44AB42B7.D6089AB8@earthlink.net> <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <44AC27DB.B483B028@earthlink.net> <KK6dnRFfLPejsjHZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <yO%qg.24685$uy3.22411@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 03:53:02 GMT



Mark Oppat wrote:

> For Philco pushbuttons, I can get the dremel mini wire brush in
> there and polish off the oxidation, then treat with Tunerlube grease.

Let me know when you snag a contact with that wire brush.

> Even WD40 will work fairly well in controls.

Sigh... Do you go out of your way to do things wrong Mark?

Jeff

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 336820 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve Reeves" <stevereeves@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Help Sentinel Wow and Flutter Meter
Date: 5 Jul 2006 21:36:53 -0700
Message-ID: <1152160613.252921.230720@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <1152070701.023647.152580@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

UPDATE
  I have found a closed auction and can now verify that the Varo is the
same as mind. Here is a link to a closed auction for pictures:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7618397601
Anyone have a schematic before I dig into my pockets?
Thanks
Steve.

> > I am not familiar with the Sentinel wow and flutter meter, but there
> > was a well-known Varo FL-3d and FL-3d-1.  Maybe they are the same.
> >
> > This place lists a manual for the Varo FL-3d-1



Article: 336821 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lee <glog@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: audio cassette player belts and rollers?
References: <zuCdnbikLPdNzzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <44ac94a1_2@x-privat.org>
Date: 6 Jul 2006 06:42:09 +0200

Lynn Coffelt wrote:
>      Teac A350 cassette deck, vintage 1970 or so? At one time one could buy
> a kit of rubber parts (belts, rollers, etc) from several suppliers. I've
> spent an hour "Googling" and cannot find much help. Where to look now, at
> least for belts?
>      This was a really good deck that I'd like to "tune-up" to capture my
> old tapes to CD or DVD-RAM before it's too late!
> Thanks for any leads.
> Old Chief Lynn

Lynn..... does this help?





Article: 336822 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Lee <glog@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: audio cassette player belts and rollers?
References: <zuCdnbikLPdNzzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Message-ID: <44ac94eb_2@x-privat.org>
Date: 6 Jul 2006 06:43:23 +0200

Lynn Coffelt wrote:
>      Teac A350 cassette deck, vintage 1970 or so? At one time one could buy
> a kit of rubber parts (belts, rollers, etc) from several suppliers. I've
> spent an hour "Googling" and cannot find much help. Where to look now, at
> least for belts?
>      This was a really good deck that I'd like to "tune-up" to capture my
> old tapes to CD or DVD-RAM before it's too late!
> Thanks for any leads.
> Old Chief Lynn

Lynn.... does this help?

http://www.mainelectronics.com/belts.htm

Regards
Lee



Article: 336823 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:47:28 -0500
Message-ID: <16961-44AC95E0-230@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <yO%qg.24685$uy3.22411@tornado.socal.rr.com>

Ever had a wirebrush on an electric drill crawl up your t shirt before?
Now that's lots of fun.
cuhulin



Article: 336824 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "centallica@yahoo.com" <centallica@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Newbie Radio Cap Restoration in 3-gang tuning cap area question
Date: 5 Jul 2006 22:12:51 -0700
Message-ID: <1152162771.515760.279110@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <1152112521.156235.203860@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>


Thanks Neil and Aurora for you suggestions!

I managed to get the 3 shilds/cages that encage the gangs tonight with
ease.

Upon closer inspection, the upper gang has 2 caps, middle 4 caps and
bottom 1 cap (the middle one going to be the toughest).  One side of
the lead of each cap will be easy but the other side for the 4 in the
middle gang are in the middle directly behind the tuning mechanism.

Seems like I got my work cut-out for me and once again thanks,
Brian



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shoppa@trailing-edge.com wrote:

> Do any manufacturers (either of old-timey tubes or new tubes or amps)
> offer specific numeric limits on allowable grid current in a beam
> tetrode in class A or AB1? I'm thinking specifically of tubes in the
> 6L6GC/807/6146 class.

Some do, some don't, usually they at least give a maximum
DC grid circuit resistance spec depending on how the tube
is used (cathode or fixed biasing). With the correct value
of grid resistor, there shouldn't be much grid current,
although there's some exceptions, but not for the tube
types you're talking about.


> I'm finding that the best of my older tubes have a grid current of a
> little less than a microamp when biased at -20 or -25V on the grid,
> 250V or 300V on the screen, and 500V or 600V on the plate for a nominal
> plate current of 30 or 40mA, most are in the low microamp range, and
> some skyrocket into the hundreds of microamps or even milliamps within
> minutes.

That sounds bad, but what value of grid resistor are you using?
If it's too high, you'll have problems. Also, are you getting
any parasitic oscillations? Sometimes getting rid of that
is a headache. I've seen amplifiers where the physical layout
of the circuit itself (You've worked on RF stuff, so
I'm preaching to the choir here) was a problem.
Also, is this in an amplifier or a test rig? If in an amp,
is the output loaded and the input shorted?

BTW, 300V is too much for 6146 screens.

> It's possible that the bad/worst ones would be perfectly acceptable in
> a transformer-input class B modulator/audio amp or in a class C RF amp.

Modulator, possibly, as the DCR in the grid circuit would
be very low, but you're talking about zero-signal, the
problem should be worse if the grid is being forced
to draw current. RF? If it's not stable at DC, probably
less so at RF. Pretty much, a tube that's a dud for AF
shouldn't be any good for RF, either.


-- 
Ned Carlson
SW side of Chicago, USA
www.tubezone.net


Article: 336826 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Phil B" <pcb999@NOSPAMcomcast.net>
References: <u5dqg.1465$283.1168@trnddc08>
Subject: Re: Solution -- how to fix a spring!
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:47:12 -0400
Message-ID: <ldSdneObv84SNjHZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Hey Gary,

If it worked for you, its good enough for me. Thanks for the tip.

I'm sure there will be many replies of all sorts claiming how the 
metallurgical structure of spring metal is inconsistent with your 
observations. Screw em. If it works, it works.

Phil B

"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:u5dqg.1465$283.1168@trnddc08...
> Have you ever run into a problem where a little spring has been stretched 
> out too much?  You either search through some old cigar boxes looking for 
> a suitable replacement, or else try to cut off a few turns in an attempt 
> to get a little tension back into it.  Well, I just found a way to 
> actually FIX it!
>
> Today I've been working on a 66 Lincoln radio, which happens to be a Delco 
> wonderbar.  Yes it is -- that's a story for another time.  Anyway, the 
> return solenoid refused to work, and it's because the return switch didn't 
> make contact.  I removed and disassembled the switch, and the spring was 
> badly stretched out.  It was as though somebody grabbed one end and pulled 
> hard.  The spring was over twice the length it was supposed to be.  By the 
> way, we're talking about a very small spring, about 1/16th diameter and 
> 1/4 inch long -- well, about 3/4 now.
>
> So here's the fix:  I took the spring to the bench in the garage and put 
> the end in a vise, so it stuck out horizontally.  I then lit a propane 
> torch. With one hand I grabbed a pair of needle nose, put it on the loose 
> end of the spring, and tried to compress it.  With the other hand I put 
> the tip of the flame to the spring.  Within a second, the spring easily 
> compressed and stayed there!  I moved the torch away and held the spring 
> with the pliers for another minute to cool, then removed it from the vise. 
> Perfect!
>
> I just saved the trouble of trying to locate another original Delco return 
> switch!  This one works perfectly now.
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
> 




Article: 336827 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Phil B" <pcb999@NOSPAMcomcast.net>
References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21> <AaHqg.12058$lk7.365@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <oM6dnerpUMWi2DbZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 02:17:45 -0400
Message-ID: <ldSdneKbv84SNjHZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com>

Mark,

Take some time to submit your site to Google, Yahoo and MSN. It will take a 
few months to start showing up in the search engines. As more and more 
people find your site, your ranking will increase. Try to get links to your 
site on other radio sites. It's most productive to get your link on high 
traffic sites. This will help your Google ranking (currently zero). You 
already have a meta "keywords" line. That's good. Do all this and I predict 
your website will generate a lot of new business. The more things you can 
get into the shopping cart, the better. People like the convenience of 
clicking a few times to order rather than emailing and waiting for replies.

Phil B




"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:oM6dnerpUMWi2DbZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> thanks guys.  Its really nothing yet... just a small start.  I have so 
> much
> more stuff its overwhelming...  and no time to do it all right now...  so,
> be patient,  much more to come.  Gotta focus on Extravaganza right now...
> preping, loading... pricing,  doing media work....
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>
> "jim menning" <jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:AaHqg.12058$lk7.365@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message
>> news:8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21...
>> >
>> > Finally a Webpage.... Congrats Mark
>> >
>> > http://www.oldradioparts.net
>> >
>> > John k9uwa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Congrats to Mark!
>>
>> Looks like a good start, and I'm glad to see the PayPal shopping cart
> included.  This
>> will make ordering and paying quick & simple.
>>
>> jim menning
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 




Article: 336828 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "gameroom" <gameroomshow@gmail.com>
Subject: jukebox/coin-op collection
Date: 6 Jul 2006 00:12:00 -0700
Message-ID: <1152169920.310563.249990@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

Hi all, if you're interested in collecting coin-op related items and
old Wurlitzer juke-boxes, then check out my site and let me know what
you think: http://www.gameroomshow.com

Thanks,

Chip
gameroomshow.com



Article: 336829 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06> <yoednVOCC8XZqTHZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@athenet.net> <THXqg.20593$Ap2.15531@trnddc03> <_K%qg.24683$uy3.1936@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Message-ID: <2Z3rg.31937$543.8089@trnddc04>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:37:18 GMT

Thank you!  THAT'S the type of answer I was looking for.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Jeffrey D Angus" <jangus@socal.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:_K%qg.24683$uy3.1936@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
>
> Gary Tayman wrote:
>> What I'm trying to do is NOT be harsh to the battery.
>
> Then do it correctly.
>
> Either:
>
> http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/circ/bcgla.htm
> or
> http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/circ/bcgla2.htm
>
> Both are simple enough to assemble with a minimal number
> of parts.
>
> Jeff
>
> -- 
> RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
> the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
> force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
> under the Internal Security Act of 1950. 




Article: 336830 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," <Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:20:58 GMT

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:00:45 GMT, Stephanie Weil wrote:

> I never think science/exploration funding is a waste of money.

That's unfortunate, because everything comes witha cost, and so it's _always_ possible to have too much of such things.

> If it weren't for the space shuttle, we wouldn't have things like the
> Hubble Space Telescope.
>
> Sure, it could have been sent up as payload on  a missile;  but in the
> end, you always need a man's hand up there to give things a tweak and a
> touch.

The man (or woman) who touched it could have been sent up in a much less expensive vehicle than the shuttle.

And, of course, one could and should question whether the Hubble telescope was the right investment at the right time.

One thing that people need to understand is that resources extracted by taxation come from, amongst other things, scientific research more closely tied to things such as agricultural and medical research.  The developments and "spin-offs" from the eliminated research aren't seen exactly because they were eliminated, so people have a poor sense of the real _cost_.


Article: 336831 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: 6 Jul 2006 02:46:51 -0700
Message-ID: <1152179211.612699.30030@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07>

I know.  Tayman always starts it, and then the crud walks in.

Eddie Brimer wrote:
> DeserTBoB wrote:
> > On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:01:33 GMT, Bob Weiss <bob.weiss@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Compared to what?
> > >
> > >The shuttle is an aging dinosaur, but I would rather see my tax money
> > >going to NASA to finish the program gracefully than see it used for
> > >dropping bombs on Iraqi children, given away as corporate welfare to the
> > >likes of Halliburton and Enron, or used as a grant to some
> > >fundamentalist "faith-based" ripoff scam. <snip>
> >
> > Give that man a prize...well said!  Time to rise up against all this
> > ridiculousness in the US which is driving us toward third world status
> > and move on.
> >
> > Typical coward in action:  Rather than pay for his crimes, Bush Bird's
> > big money pal, Kenny Boy Lay, just died of "heart disease."  How much
> > do you want to bet that Bush Bird/Cheney had him snuffed?  A guy like
> > Lay had to have figured, "If I'm going down, they're ALL goin' down!"
> 
> and desertedbob comes atrollin'



Article: 336832 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Brad-io" <bradford.buck@rossnutrition.com>
Subject: Columbus Ohio Antique Radio Swap July 22 2006
Date: 6 Jul 2006 04:43:20 -0700
Message-ID: <1152186200.599853.131240@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>

Once again we're saturated with old radios here in central Ohio.  This
outdoor event is free to attend and has only a small setup fee.   See
link for directions, meet is in DeVry parking lot just south of I-70, a
few miles east of I-71.   Come early for the bargains, and don't expect
to find anyone or anything after 10 AM or so-

http://members.tripod.com/~COARA/page3.html



Article: 336833 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "David_Winter" <d_winter@hotmail.com>
References: <FbqdnfvFsrAU1jHZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <22871-44AC5478-359@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
Subject: Re: Wanted: schematic for Standard Micronic Ruby SR-H438
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:47:38 +0200
Message-ID: <44acf85c$0$8474$636a55ce@news.free.fr>

The contacts look ok in my radio, at least they are there and I can always 
use a small piece of metal to perfect the contact.

David.

"Ken G." <goodguyy@webtv.net> a écrit dans le message de news: 
22871-44AC5478-359@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net...
> Whaaa .. battery contacts are easy to make & replace .
> 




Article: 336834 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "David_Winter" <d_winter@hotmail.com>
References: <44abe455$1$30299$626a54ce@news.free.fr> <44AC2A94.85C91801@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Wanted: schematic for Standard Micronic Ruby SR-H438
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:47:59 +0200
Message-ID: <44acf871$0$20751$636a55ce@news.free.fr>

Thanks for the info, I'll look a this.

David.

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> a écrit dans le message de 
news: 44AC2A94.85C91801@earthlink.net...
> David_Winter wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to restore a miniature transistor radio made by Standard,
>> called Micronic Ruby, model SR-H438.
>> Anyone has a schematic ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David Winter
>
>
>   HW Sams TSM-51
>
>
> -- 
> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
> prove it.
> Member of DAV #85.
>
> Michael A. Terrell
> Central Florida 




Article: 336835 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mike Schultz" <mls2004@SPAMSPAMSPAMverizon.net>
References: <1152106206.779021.181400@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   <21652-44ABEC5F-1086@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <1152148400.901460.272440@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Message-ID: <dZ6rg.4880$nG2.4867@trnddc05>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:02:17 GMT

I know how Pam motors are mounted.  I have a number of Pam clocks.

So, you refuse to pay what the correct motor costs, and you're not willing 
to try to adapt something cheaper.

I'd say you're SOL on this one.

Bye, bye.

-- 
Mike Schultz


<terry75115@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1152148400.901460.272440@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> I have research the internet with no luck.
> Searching in a thrift store is no good. The motor I need only works on
> a PAM clock.
> It is mounted from the rear of the motor. I would say that 99% of all
> clock motors are front mounted.
>
> Terry
> 




Article: 336836 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mike Schultz" <mls2004@SPAMSPAMSPAMverizon.net>
References: <1152106206.779021.181400@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   <21652-44ABEC5F-1086@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <1152148400.901460.272440@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PAM clock motor HELP needed
Message-ID: <617rg.4881$nG2.373@trnddc05>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:06:26 GMT

I know how Pam motors are mounted.  I have a number of Pam clocks.

So, you refuse to pay what the correct motor costs, and you're not willing
to try to adapt something cheaper.

I'd say you're SOL on this one.

Bye, bye.

-- 
Mike Schultz


<terry75115@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1152148400.901460.272440@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> I have research the internet with no luck.
> Searching in a thrift store is no good. The motor I need only works on
> a PAM clock.
> It is mounted from the rear of the motor. I would say that 99% of all
> clock motors are front mounted.
>
> Terry
> 




Article: 336837 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Ken <wklwns@cox.net>
Subject: Re: jukebox/coin-op collection
References: <1152169920.310563.249990@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <D27rg.12620$f76.12346@dukeread06>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:07:53 -0400

Way too wide for my screen. Ken

gameroom wrote:

> Hi all, if you're interested in collecting coin-op related items and
> old Wurlitzer juke-boxes, then check out my site and let me know what
> you think: http://www.gameroomshow.com
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chip
> gameroomshow.com
> 



Article: 336838 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: 6 Jul 2006 05:41:49 -0700
Message-ID: <1152189709.284468.267430@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>


RadioGary wrote:
> Who know's what gas will cost next year.  I imagine it's not going to
> be a buck fifty per gallon or less.  Gas up, share the ride with a few
> others, and enjoyy the fest.   I did the same thing when going to the
> Dayton Hamvention this past year.   You may never see gas prices this
> low again.

Nevermind, I'm saving gas and going to the ARCI meet.   LOL.



Article: 336839 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Message-ID: <44AD07D8.A89A057A@earthlink.net>
From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
References: <44AC3798.108E9F42@earthlink.net> <22871-44AC5709-362@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:53:59 GMT

"Ken G." wrote:
> 
> Everything i put Deoxit in got scratchy again within 3 months rather it
> be band switches , pots or tube sockets . When i use WD-40 that does not
> happen . Things sprayed with WD long ago are still clean . I have never
> ever had WD turn hard in any control or switch .... ever


http://www.wd40.com/Brands/pdfs/msds-wd40_aerosol.us.pdf


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Article: 336840 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com> <1152152649.115385.298070@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
Message-ID: <FL7rg.12282$nd1.10404@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:58:13 -0400


<pgonshor@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1152152649.115385.298070@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Hagstar wrote:
>> Actually, no.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/1930s-PHILCO-SUPER-HETERODYNE-CATHEDRAL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ160004301007
>>
>> John H.
> Hey guys.  Lighten up!  My mother, God rest her sole, died at the age
> of 87.  She died of an automobile accident.

What's that got to do with the subject of this thread ?

Should I feel bad and stop commenting the poor taste of some amateur 
"antiquer" ?

My mom and Dad also like to paint things and I have the right to criticize 
their work
when I disagree...Sheesh...This world is becoming so PC...

Syl 




Article: 336841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Add to the list of oddities
From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa)
References: <mZ_qg.3137$Og3.745@trnddc06>
Message-ID: <A28rg.820250$084.119724@attbi_s22>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:16:16 GMT

In article <mZ_qg.3137$Og3.745@trnddc06>, caradio@verizon.net says...
>
>
>Makes you wonder what they were thinking . . .
>
>Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical

Automotive Engineers... rather than real radio engineers?...
John k9uwa



Article: 336842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Jeffrey D Angus <jangus@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com> <1152152649.115385.298070@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <FL7rg.12282$nd1.10404@wagner.videotron.net>
Message-ID: <J48rg.24717$uy3.12825@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:18:33 GMT



Syl wrote:
> What's that got to do with the subject of this thread ?
> 
> Should I feel bad and stop commenting the poor taste of some amateur 
> "antiquer" ?
> 
> My mom and Dad also like to paint things and I have the right to criticize 
> their work when I disagree...Sheesh...This world is becoming so PC...
> 
> Syl 

So did my dad. That cottage cheese colored paints with green marbling.
He must have ruined almost every piece of wood in the house. Except
for all the scrap lumber he coated with magazine pages after he
discovered decoupage.

The man had absolutely no taste at all. Just before he died, he painted
all the trim on the house, and the drawers in the garage safety orange
and kelly green.

Jeff

-- 
RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
under the Internal Security Act of 1950.


Article: 336843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Syl" <personne@perdu.com>
References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21>
Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
Message-ID: <L68rg.13166$nd1.13243@wagner.videotron.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:22:52 -0400


"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message 
news:8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21...
>
> Finally a Webpage.... Congrats Mark
>
> http://www.oldradioparts.net
>
> John k9uwa
>

...And using a non unique .net demain name behind an already existing .com
assure your searches will always show PTOP as your first hit...And confuse 
people
who will always type a .com after a domain name...I guess PTOP will be
happy to get more hits...

Syl 




Article: 336844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Bill <wjeffrey@NOSPAMalum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: TUBE ID HELP, PLEASE
References: <C0C5F2C7.1104B%nlaudio@sbcglobal.net> <D-ydnT9x2-coFT3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com> <i7d3a2todre25ttnj9331kd99rt8f1mc7c@4ax.com> <O4vqg.2857$cd3.1750@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <ranla2h51a2ek0ccqlbc2bjfatkldjf76a@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <yv8rg.70488$3B.63728@twister.nyroc.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:47:10 GMT

Alan Douglas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I haven't heard anything lately, and I suppose I'd be among the first
> to know.
> 
> Alan
Alan -

I couldn't believe you said that with a straight face!  They say us New 
Englanders have a dry sesne of humor, but afer your post, I'm positively 
parched!

Bill Jeffrey


Article: 336845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS)
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:05:00 GMT
Message-ID: <e8j5ad$m4t$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
References: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <8425-44AB5E31-1042@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> <6mgna21tc09thdvfl7bfvp2r3f205vlqsl@4ax.com>

In article <6mgna21tc09thdvfl7bfvp2r3f205vlqsl@4ax.com>, desertb@rglobal.net wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:37:37 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote:
>
>>I have found Deoxit totally usless for anything accept maybe using the
>>can to prop something up . <snip>
>
>Just about anything from RatShack is about as useful.

I went to my store closing sale. Started at 10-20%, now 50-80 % off.
I bought one thing, a strobe phone light. Oh, I also bought two cans of
freeze spray. Nothing else interested me.

greg


Article: 336846 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS)
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:09:00 GMT
Message-ID: <e8j5hs$m4t$3@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
References: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <8425-44AB5E31-1042@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> <1152133480.069182.281010@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>

In article <1152133480.069182.281010@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, "Stephanie Weil" <stephanienyc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Ken G. wrote:
>> I have found Deoxit totally usless for anything accept maybe using the
>> can to prop something up .
>
>I started using DeOxit back in 2002.  I bought four cans.  Gave two to
>someone else and I'm STILL on my first can. The fourth is still
>gathering dust under my bench.
>
>I'm very happy with the stuff. A sparing amount does the trick - and
>unlike the Radio Shack tuner cleaner spray, it doesn't gunk up and
>attract yet MORE crap to foul up the control even more.
>
>I wish I had enough money, I'd buy the company!  ;-P
>
>That being said, I don't recommend it for cleaning tuning condensers.
>For that, I use something called Tun-O-Wash.  It evaporates VERY
>rapidly and leaves no residue, so the tuning isn't affected  as the
>stuff dries.

I recommend going to The Home Depot and buying two cans, one a no residue
cleaner, and a can of lube recommended to improve electrical conductivity.
The great part is the price, a big can for about $4 each. Its from the CRC family.
At the electrical department.

greg


Article: 336847 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS)
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:11:40 GMT
Message-ID: <e8j5mt$m4t$4@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
References: <44AB42B7.D6089AB8@earthlink.net> <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <44AC27DB.B483B028@earthlink.net> <KK6dnRFfLPejsjHZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com> <44AC3798.108E9F42@earthlink.net>

In article <44AC3798.108E9F42@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net wrote:
>Mark Oppat wrote:
>> 
>> Even WD40 will work fairly
>> well in controls.
>
>
>   Not in anything I work on.  It dries to a hard shellac and leaves an
>insulating layer on the contacts.

It does, but it does helps protect which its designed to do.

Am I crazy, or did the WD-40 can once have tuners on the front
and other stuff?


greg
 


Article: 336848 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: shaqtopz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deoxit at Radio Shack
Date: 6 Jul 2006 07:24:47 -0700
Message-ID: <1152195885.802413.162820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
References: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com>

DeoxIT is the best stuff I've ever found.  I use it on everything from
flashlights, batteries, light bulbs to audio/video equipment.  A friend
of mine's parent was having problems with her hearing aid - the battery
(she thought) was not working.  She put in a second, third battery and
the same problem.
My friend then took one of the DeoxIT pens and wiped the contact on the
hearing aid - totally amazed - working perfectly now.  Saved her tons
of money replacing the hearing aid.
M.


Stephanie Weil wrote:
> Ken G. wrote:
> > I have found Deoxit totally usless for anything accept maybe using the
> > can to prop something up .
>
> I started using DeOxit back in 2002.  I bought four cans.  Gave two to
> someone else and I'm STILL on my first can. The fourth is still
> gathering dust under my bench.
>
> I'm very happy with the stuff. A sparing amount does the trick - and
> unlike the Radio Shack tuner cleaner spray, it doesn't gunk up and
> attract yet MORE crap to foul up the control even more.
>
> I wish I had enough money, I'd buy the company!  ;-P
>
> That being said, I don't recommend it for cleaning tuning condensers.
> For that, I use something called Tun-O-Wash.  It evaporates VERY
> rapidly and leaves no residue, so the tuning isn't affected  as the
> stuff dries.
> 
> --
> Stephanie Weil
> New York City, USA



Article: 336849 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS)
Subject: Re: Deoxit at Radio Shack
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:34:37 GMT
Message-ID: <e8j71u$mq6$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
References: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <8425-44AB5E31-1042@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> <1152133480.069182.281010@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1152195885.802413.162820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>

In article <1152195885.802413.162820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, shaqtopz@aol.com wrote:
>DeoxIT is the best stuff I've ever found.  I use it on everything from
>flashlights, batteries, light bulbs to audio/video equipment.  A friend
>of mine's parent was having problems with her hearing aid - the battery
>(she thought) was not working.  She put in a second, third battery and
>the same problem.
>My friend then took one of the DeoxIT pens and wiped the contact on the
>hearing aid - totally amazed - working perfectly now.  Saved her tons
>of money replacing the hearing aid.
>M.

A spot of spit probably would have also worked, but I like Deoxit. I liked
Electricall better. It was 10% instead of 5% solution. They stopped selling it.
100% stuff is pretty good.

greg



>
>Stephanie Weil wrote:
>> Ken G. wrote:
>> > I have found Deoxit totally usless for anything accept maybe using the
>> > can to prop something up .
>>
>> I started using DeOxit back in 2002.  I bought four cans.  Gave two to
>> someone else and I'm STILL on my first can. The fourth is still
>> gathering dust under my bench.
>>
>> I'm very happy with the stuff. A sparing amount does the trick - and
>> unlike the Radio Shack tuner cleaner spray, it doesn't gunk up and
>> attract yet MORE crap to foul up the control even more.
>>
>> I wish I had enough money, I'd buy the company!  ;-P
>>
>> That being said, I don't recommend it for cleaning tuning condensers.
>> For that, I use something called Tun-O-Wash.  It evaporates VERY
>> rapidly and leaves no residue, so the tuning isn't affected  as the
>> stuff dries.
>> 
>> --
>> Stephanie Weil
>> New York City, USA
>


Article: 336850 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Robert Murrell" <murrellr-dummy@ameritech.net>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Message-ID: <Yk9rg.60417$Lm5.39558@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:44:08 GMT

I'm all packed and ready to go.  I'll be there by 4pm to help registration 
and to set up for the first presentation under the big top.

Rob Murrell

"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com...
> If you are on the fence about coming to Lansing, here is something to 
> think
> about....
>
> I travel from the Detroit area to Charlotte, NC for their swap every 
> March.
> Been doing that one for 12 years now.  Its about half the size of Lansing 
> as
> far as the amount of stuff available, but its a nice get away for me and 
> the
> wife in the winter, especially if we combine it with a trip to Florida to
> see Leann's folks.  Its about 1300 miles round trip.  That's about 60
> gallons of gas in my Caravan at 22 mpg, which is what I have repeatedly
> clocked it at, fully loaded.
>
> So, lets say you are up to 650 miles away from Lansing, as Charlotte is
> approximately.  And, my mileage of 22 is about average.  So, you would 
> burn
> about 60 gallons round trip.  Gas around here is dropped back to around
> $2.79/gal.  OK, so 60 gallons is $167 or so.
>
> Gas was about $2.20 a year ago, so its 50c more per gallon, or about $30
> more than last year.  Not that much...  and, that's if you are travelling 
> a
> fair distance!  You pay that much and far more in shipping a set or two 
> off
> ebay!!!
>
> So, if you want to enjoy the largest antique radio show in the USA, and 
> get
> some great radios....
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>
> 




Article: 336851 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Steve Reeves" <stevereeves@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running!
Date: 6 Jul 2006 08:44:58 -0700
Message-ID: <1152200697.648166.298890@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21>


Syl wrote:
> ...And using a non unique .net demain name behind an already existing .com
> assure your searches will always show PTOP as your first hit...And confuse
> people
> who will always type a .com after a domain name...I guess PTOP will be
> happy to get more hits...
>
> Syl
Mark,
You can always register a few other domain names and have them all
point to your one website. That also helps to bring more traffic to
your website. I do agree that PTOP may get some of your business due to
having a ".net" URL. Domain names are cheap compared to the extra
business they could bring.
If you make a million send a console this way (Washington State).
<grin>
How about,
kingofcontrols.com?
marksradios?
potdealer.com? -nah that won't work but you get the idea :-)
Regards,
Steven Reeves



Article: 336852 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: 6 Jul 2006 08:58:05 -0700
Message-ID: <1152201485.629248.61550@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>


Mark Oppat wrote:
> If you are on the fence about coming to Lansing, here is something to think
> about....
>
> I travel from the Detroit area to Charlotte, NC for their swap every March.
> Been doing that one for 12 years now.  Its about half the size of Lansing as
> far as the amount of stuff available, but its a nice get away for me and the
> wife in the winter, especially if we combine it with a trip to Florida to
> see Leann's folks.  Its about 1300 miles round trip.  That's about 60
> gallons of gas in my Caravan at 22 mpg, which is what I have repeatedly
> clocked it at, fully loaded.
>
> So, lets say you are up to 650 miles away from Lansing, as Charlotte is
> approximately.  And, my mileage of 22 is about average.  So, you would burn
> about 60 gallons round trip.  Gas around here is dropped back to around
> $2.79/gal.  OK, so 60 gallons is $167 or so.
>
> Gas was about $2.20 a year ago, so its 50c more per gallon, or about $30
> more than last year.  Not that much...  and, that's if you are travelling a
> fair distance!  You pay that much and far more in shipping a set or two off
> ebay!!!
>
> So, if you want to enjoy the largest antique radio show in the USA, and get
> some great radios....
>
> Mark Oppat


great post !!  I know a few people complaining about the price of gas
every time I see them.  One of them burns a single gallon of gas a day
to/from work- and maybe another gallon a day on the weekends running
errands.

OK, let's do the math.  A gallon a day is $3 a day

30 days in a month, that's 90 dollars a month.

Is $90 a month so much, to travel where you have to go, when you have
to go- at your  convenience ?  In air conditioned or heated comfort,
with the stereo on, etc.

$3 for a gallon of liquid elixir, that will propel a 3500 pound car
with passengers 20-25 miles, I'd say that's a deal.

We have the cheapest fuel in the industrialized world- others in Europe
are paying $5-7 a gallon, and have been for nearly decades- due to
their gas/road taxes.

We have it made- at $3 a gallon, it's a steal.

So I agree with you, 100%.  Many try to put a political spin on it- but
in reality, no matter who sits in the White House, fuel prices will be
whatever the market can bear- and based on supply/demand. Even though
gas is banging on $3  a gallon, fuel useage continues to go up on a
yearly basis.



Article: 336853 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:51:47 -0500
Message-ID: <26031-44AD3FA3-870@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>
References: <44AD07D8.A89A057A@earthlink.net>

Do a search for, What is WD-40 made of?

Last week I bought a new can of WD-40,it has the new Smart Straw thingy
on it.Flip the straw up and it does it's thing,flip the straw down and
the WD-40 sprays a wide pattern.
cuhulin
..............................................................
Hey Sarge,how about taking me off KP duty? [What for?] It's bad for my
self respect and dignity
..............................................................



Article: 336854 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Add to the list of oddities
Date: 6 Jul 2006 10:11:59 -0700
Message-ID: <1152205918.296374.121710@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
References: <mZ_qg.3137$Og3.745@trnddc06><A28rg.820250$084.119724@attbi_s22>

John and Gary, it sounds like some of the projects I worked on where
someone high up in marketing came up with a goofy idea and we, in
engineering, were told it was stupid but "just do it".
We were often told to design a relatively low volume product using
"standard" parts, ie. parts used in volume on other products, even
though they were not the most appropriate for the job.
Gary, on those pot wafers, I actually had to modify a dual pot to end
the resistance element just before the end of rotation, because the
circuit REQUIRED that the 'rheostat' go open at the end of rotation,
not just be at the maximum resistance of 500k. I cannot see that as
being an issue on a tone control, though.

Neil S.

John Goller, k9uwa wrote:
> In article <mZ_qg.3137$Og3.745@trnddc06>, caradio@verizon.net says...
> >
> >
> >Makes you wonder what they were thinking . . .
> >
> >Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
>
> Automotive Engineers... rather than real radio engineers?...
> John k9uwa



Article: 336855 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet>
References: <44AB42B7.D6089AB8@earthlink.net> <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <44AC27DB.B483B028@earthlink.net> <KK6dnRFfLPejsjHZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com> <yO%qg.24685$uy3.22411@tornado.socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:24:20 -0400
Message-ID: <d8KdnSDdu_Uu2zDZnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@comcast.com>

Jeff,
NO I DON'T do things "wrong".  Most of us professionals (Goller is one,
Tayman is another, here) do things very much alike.

  I dont use WD40 in radios in my shop but I have done it in a pinch when at
someone's home who had a scratchy vol control in some portable radio.  And,
those controls are still working good, so draw your own conclusion,  I did.
I DID NOT say ever use it on a switch like a bandswitch.  NEVER do that.
But, it will do NO harm in a potentiometer, and it works in a pinch.

Off to Lansing...see some of you there!

Mark Oppat


"Jeffrey D Angus" <jangus@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:yO%qg.24685$uy3.22411@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
>
> Mark Oppat wrote:
>
> > For Philco pushbuttons, I can get the dremel mini wire brush in
> > there and polish off the oxidation, then treat with Tunerlube grease.
>
> Let me know when you snag a contact with that wire brush.
>
> > Even WD40 will work fairly well in controls.
>
> Sigh... Do you go out of your way to do things wrong Mark?
>
> Jeff
>
> -- 
> RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
> the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
> force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
> under the Internal Security Act of 1950.
>





Article: 336856 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <mZ_qg.3137$Og3.745@trnddc06><A28rg.820250$084.119724@attbi_s22> <1152205918.296374.121710@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Add to the list of oddities
Message-ID: <Licrg.5660$nG2.1558@trnddc05>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:06:35 GMT

The types of things I'm referring to make no sense.  In the case of the tone 
control, one side goes to ground and the wiper goes to a shunt capacitor. 
The other side is not connected -- bare solder lug.  So why in heaven's name 
would Delco go to the extra trouble of cutting the carbon pad on the inside 
so that it doesn't cantact the solder lug?  The control doesn't "open" at 
the end, the cut is after that.  The cut was made to prevent the solder lug 
>from being connected to the pad at all.  If nothing is soldered to it, why 
bother?  In another case -- 57 Chevy's are notorious for this -- the tone 
control is grounded on the control itself.  Again, why bother when it's easy 
enough to run a wire to ground -- and other wires are grounded such anyway. 
Some Mercury's have a tone switch that is internally grounded -- I can't 
understand the purpose of making a special switch to make a feature less 
effective.



-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:1152205918.296374.121710@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> John and Gary, it sounds like some of the projects I worked on where
> someone high up in marketing came up with a goofy idea and we, in
> engineering, were told it was stupid but "just do it".
> We were often told to design a relatively low volume product using
> "standard" parts, ie. parts used in volume on other products, even
> though they were not the most appropriate for the job.
> Gary, on those pot wafers, I actually had to modify a dual pot to end
> the resistance element just before the end of rotation, because the
> circuit REQUIRED that the 'rheostat' go open at the end of rotation,
> not just be at the maximum resistance of 500k. I cannot see that as
> being an issue on a tone control, though.
>
> Neil S.
>
> John Goller, k9uwa wrote:
>> In article <mZ_qg.3137$Og3.745@trnddc06>, caradio@verizon.net says...
>> >
>> >
>> >Makes you wonder what they were thinking . . .
>> >
>> >Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
>>
>> Automotive Engineers... rather than real radio engineers?...
>> John k9uwa
> 




Article: 336857 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz>
References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com> <1152152649.115385.298070@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:09:17 -0700
Message-ID: <LOednZf467pKzDDZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com>

> It was the craze.

In the 1960s, they closed the historic schoolhouse in my rural MN home town 
and auctioned off the contents. My Dad bought a solid oak schoolteacher's 
desk -- certainly used by one of my grade school teachers, although we never 
figured out exactly which one.

A couple of years later, Dad was inspired to "antique" the desk, covering it 
with a streaky brown coat of paint. Then the desk did some hard time out in 
a back room where they locked the Airedale at night, inspiring the lonesome 
dog to chew one corner of the top.

In college, I took the desk off their hands, and it served as my desk for 
years, until we bought this house in 1998 and I graduated to a study with a 
built-in desk. Now it's the desk in my older son's bedroom.

For more than 30 years, I have been meaning to strip off that antiquing and 
refinish it as original. The desk is at least 100 years old by now and 
deserves better!

On the other hand, it's a big project to strip and refinish a desk. And by 
now, I have almost grown fond of the antiqued finish and dog-chewed corner. 
If I hold out a few more years, I can give to one of my boys and let him do 
the refinishing . . . or not :-)

Regards,

Phil Nelson
Phil's Old Radios
http://antiqueradio.org/index.html




Article: 336858 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS)
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:30:34 GMT
Message-ID: <e8jksc$pek$2@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>
References: <44AB42B7.D6089AB8@earthlink.net> <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <44AC27DB.B483B028@earthlink.net> <KK6dnRFfLPejsjHZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com> <yO%qg.24685$uy3.22411@tornado.socal.rr.com> <d8KdnSDdu_Uu2zDZnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@comcast.com>

In article <d8KdnSDdu_Uu2zDZnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote:
>Jeff,
>NO I DON'T do things "wrong".  Most of us professionals (Goller is one,
>Tayman is another, here) do things very much alike.
>
>  I dont use WD40 in radios in my shop but I have done it in a pinch when at
>someone's home who had a scratchy vol control in some portable radio.  And,
>those controls are still working good, so draw your own conclusion,  I did.
>I DID NOT say ever use it on a switch like a bandswitch.  NEVER do that.
>But, it will do NO harm in a potentiometer, and it works in a pinch.
>
>Off to Lansing...see some of you there!


It can wash off certain heavier lubes, which will make the pot turn
rough and may shorten life. Many other sprays can do the same thing.
A spray whitgrease-like material can renew that lube.

greg

>
>"Jeffrey D Angus" <jangus@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:yO%qg.24685$uy3.22411@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>
>>
>> Mark Oppat wrote:
>>
>> > For Philco pushbuttons, I can get the dremel mini wire brush in
>> > there and polish off the oxidation, then treat with Tunerlube grease.
>>
>> Let me know when you snag a contact with that wire brush.
>>
>> > Even WD40 will work fairly well in controls.
>>
>> Sigh... Do you go out of your way to do things wrong Mark?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -- 
>> RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to
>> the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal
>> force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
>> under the Internal Security Act of 1950.
>>
>
>
>


Article: 336859 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "toxcrusadr" <cadyc@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
Date: 6 Jul 2006 12:29:45 -0700
Message-ID: <1152214185.578314.242530@s26g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com>


Phil Nelson wrote:

And by
> now, I have almost grown fond of the antiqued finish and dog-chewed corner.
> If I hold out a few more years, I can give to one of my boys and let him do
> the refinishing . . . or not :-)
>

Pretty soon the refinish job will be considered antique... On the other
hand, it's like 50's electrolytics tacked into a 30s radio - vintage,
but still bad.

Tox



Article: 336860 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
Subject: OT:  For those who like political rants, here's a good one!
Message-ID: <TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:39:31 GMT

I'll apologize in advance for the bandwidth of replies this will draw, but 
here's a news story we've all been waiting to hear.

First off, for what it's worth, last month I was driving downtown Sarasota, 
actually following a police car.  As I approached Palm Avenue, I saw the 
police car turn into an alley -- that's when I noticed there were motorcycle 
cops lined up, and others on Palm Avenue, basically ticketing everybody who 
went through the intersection.  Well, I pulled up to the intersection and 
stopped.  I waved another car to cross ahead of me, I waited for pedestrians 
to cross the street in front of me, and when I looked to ensure the coast 
was clear, I saw one the motorcycle guys looking at me.  I asked myself what 
he could possibly want -- I'm stopped, I let others go ahead of me, my turn 
signal is on, heaven knows I wasn't speeding on this congested downtown 
street.  Oh well, the coast is clear so I'll go.  Sure enough, he pulled me 
over and gave me a ticket for not stopping!  The story isn't over, I'm 
taking it to court.

In light of this, here's a news story -- in Cottageville, South Carolina, a 
certain cop was ripped apart by the mayor and police chief for not writing 
enough tickets.  What none of them knew was that the cop's recording device 
was on, and 23 minutes of the session was caught on tape!  The cop later 
quit, but somewhere along the line somebody found this recording and gave it 
to the Charleston newspaper!  The full story and recording can be found at 
Post and Courier's Web site.

Time to sit back and let the fur fly!


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 336861 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:29:48 -0700
Message-ID: <s0pqa2p0fe0sutmdeq98kksmhhe961pgdk@4ax.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>

On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:20:58 GMT, "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian,"
<Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>That's unfortunate, because everything comes witha cost, and so it's _always_ possible to have too much of such things. <snip>

This makes no sense.
>
>> If it weren't for the space shuttle, we wouldn't have things like the
>> Hubble Space Telescope.
>>
>> Sure, it could have been sent up as payload on  a missile;  but in the
>> end, you always need a man's hand up there to give things a tweak and a
>> touch.
>
>The man (or woman) who touched it could have been sent up in a much less expensive vehicle than the shuttle. <snip>

None were or are available.
>
>And, of course, one could and should question whether the Hubble telescope was the right investment at the right time. <snip>

There is NO doubt...the Hubble expanded Man's knowledge of his galaxy
and beyond far, far beyond what would have happened if information had
only been provided by terrestrial telescopes.
>
>One thing that people need to understand is that resources extracted by taxation come from, amongst other things, scientific research more closely tied to things such as agricultural and medical research.  The developments and "spin-offs" from the eliminated research aren't seen exactly because they were eliminated, so people have a poor sense of the real _cost_. <snip>

Sounds like a bunch of right wing/no tax/freeloading gibberish to me.


Article: 336862 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: DeserTBoB <desertb@rglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:31:09 -0700
Message-ID: <07pqa2dskvq85tplg2r1ijprnjs2eib6g8@4ax.com>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152047549.366259.16600@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <xpYqg.11991$543.8370@trnddc04> <3jroa2da7m5vjje5oju8eb79bp01tdebtf@4ax.com> <1152157811.336226.248970@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152179211.612699.30030@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

On 6 Jul 2006 02:46:51 -0700, "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I know.  Tayman always starts it, and then the crud walks in. <snip>

Sounds like a couple of desperate right wingers contemplating their
fate in November to me.


Article: 336863 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mike Schultz" <mls2004@SPAMSPAMSPAMverizon.net>
References: <TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06>
Subject: Re: For those who like political rants, here's a good one!
Message-ID: <X%drg.15842$5i3.1064@trnddc01>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:03:03 GMT

The Kash Register Kops are at it again.

Do you have a link to the Post and Courier story?

-- 
Mike Schultz


"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06...
> I'll apologize in advance for the bandwidth of replies this will draw, but 
> here's a news story we've all been waiting to hear.
>
> First off, for what it's worth, last month I was driving downtown 
> Sarasota, actually following a police car.  As I approached Palm Avenue, I 
> saw the police car turn into an alley -- that's when I noticed there were 
> motorcycle cops lined up, and others on Palm Avenue, basically ticketing 
> everybody who went through the intersection.  Well, I pulled up to the 
> intersection and stopped.  I waved another car to cross ahead of me, I 
> waited for pedestrians to cross the street in front of me, and when I 
> looked to ensure the coast was clear, I saw one the motorcycle guys 
> looking at me.  I asked myself what he could possibly want -- I'm stopped, 
> I let others go ahead of me, my turn signal is on, heaven knows I wasn't 
> speeding on this congested downtown street.  Oh well, the coast is clear 
> so I'll go.  Sure enough, he pulled me over and gave me a ticket for not 
> stopping!  The story isn't over, I'm taking it to court.
>
> In light of this, here's a news story -- in Cottageville, South Carolina, 
> a certain cop was ripped apart by the mayor and police chief for not 
> writing enough tickets.  What none of them knew was that the cop's 
> recording device was on, and 23 minutes of the session was caught on tape! 
> The cop later quit, but somewhere along the line somebody found this 
> recording and gave it to the Charleston newspaper!  The full story and 
> recording can be found at Post and Courier's Web site.
>
> Time to sit back and let the fur fly!
>
>
> -- 
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
> 




Article: 336864 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com>
Subject: Re: For those who like political rants, here's a good one!
Date: 6 Jul 2006 13:24:34 -0700
Message-ID: <1152217474.658794.190450@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com>
References: <TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06><X%drg.15842$5i3.1064@trnddc01>


Mike Schultz wrote:
> The Kash Register Kops are at it again.
>
> Do you have a link to the Post and Courier story?
>
> --
> Mike Schultz
>
>
> "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06...
> > I'll apologize in advance for the bandwidth of replies this will draw, but
> > here's a news story we've all been waiting to hear.
> >
> > First off, for what it's worth, last month I was driving downtown
> > Sarasota, actually following a police car.  As I approached Palm Avenue, I
> > saw the police car turn into an alley -- that's when I noticed there were
> > motorcycle cops lined up, and others on Palm Avenue, basically ticketing
> > everybody who went through the intersection.  Well, I pulled up to the
> > intersection and stopped.  I waved another car to cross ahead of me, I
> > waited for pedestrians to cross the street in front of me, and when I
> > looked to ensure the coast was clear, I saw one the motorcycle guys
> > looking at me.  I asked myself what he could possibly want -- I'm stopped,
> > I let others go ahead of me, my turn signal is on, heaven knows I wasn't
> > speeding on this congested downtown street.  Oh well, the coast is clear
> > so I'll go.  Sure enough, he pulled me over and gave me a ticket for not
> > stopping!  The story isn't over, I'm taking it to court.
> >
> > In light of this, here's a news story -- in Cottageville, South Carolina,
> > a certain cop was ripped apart by the mayor and police chief for not
> > writing enough tickets.  What none of them knew was that the cop's
> > recording device was on, and 23 minutes of the session was caught on tape!
> > The cop later quit, but somewhere along the line somebody found this
> > recording and gave it to the Charleston newspaper!  The full story and
> > recording can be found at Post and Courier's Web site.
> >
> > Time to sit back and let the fur fly!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> > http://www.taymanelectrical.com
> >
It's really up to the DA to decide what he/she is willing to prosecute,
including petty BS. There are so many political forces involved with
law enforcement, it's a miracle the real bad guys get caught and
prosecuted. I'm a volunteer for the local PD and I've done some
ride-alongs. I've heard of many horror stories of PDs misdirecting
resources. The overwhelming majority of officers I've met are
interested in getting the truly "bad guys" off the streets and aren't
interested in the petty BS that mayors, city councils, and police
chiefs seem to focus on. Mayors and city councils have their
agendas.The police chief's job is keep them happy while maintaining
some semblance of order out on the streets. I think in most BS traps
they expect victims to either rollover and pay up or act mouthy and get
into more trouble. It would be a disaster for the court if every person
ticketed showed up to respectfully defend themselves against the
charges. The courts would be clogged.



Article: 336865 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Art's Antique Radios" <art@myantiqueradio.com>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com>   <1152142764.747498.222640@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152144710.107794.3360@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <sbOdnZ_qf6lr6jHZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com> <QOOdnRYF3MjgHDHZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:38:50 -0500
Message-ID: <AJidnUPZ95BF6TDZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com>

you would have to speak to Dave Bart our current President about the 
enforcement but I know that is the direction he is headed.


"Mark Oppat" <moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message 
news:QOOdnRYF3MjgHDHZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Art,
> if they plan to enforce the Friday morning start time, I will return to 
> this
> premier ARCI event this year for the first time since 1998!
> My feeling is the "pre-selling" is what started the big decline at Elgin.
> It got to the point in the early 90's where folks were selling 2 or 3 days
> before the "start" of the event!  The Saturday just never existed in the
> flea market, which was very sad as the general public would show up and 
> see
> nothing.   I remember a fair number of the general public coming to Elgin,
> too, so I know they were putting out some decent publicity.
>
> the new location is a big big plus, too.   Its great to see this event
> coming back to its former glory.   Rochester, you guys listening???
>
> Mark Oppat
>
>
> "Art's Antique Radios" <art@myantiqueradio.com> wrote in message
> news:sbOdnZ_qf6lr6jHZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> For those of you South and West, save gas and don't forget Bolingbrook
>> August 3-4-5.
>>
>> Last year at the new location was a huge success.  This year promises to
> be
>> even better.
>>
>> Social Thursday night and selling starts Friday morning.
>>
>> 2 auctions on Saturday AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "RadioGary" <n9vu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1152144710.107794.3360@l70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Who know's what gas will cost next year.  I imagine it's not going to
>> > be a buck fifty per gallon or less.  Gas up, share the ride with a few
>> > others, and enjoyy the fest.   I did the same thing when going to the
>> > Dayton Hamvention this past year.   You may never see gas prices this
>> > low again.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 




Article: 336866 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT:  For those who like political rants, here's a good one!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:32:27 -0500
Message-ID: <16960-44AD735B-992@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06>

I believe you and I hope you win your case in court.It is true that most
(if not all) cops out on the beat have a certain quota of tickets they
are required to write up each month.Some traiffic lights aren't timed
properly and if you don't really watch out,they will go from green or
yellow to red so quickly without giving you enough time to get on by
them,they will catch you ''running'' a red light.

You would be supprised how many people I see around here running red
lights on purpose.The last time I got a ticket was about eleven years
ago when I absently mindlingly parked by a fire hydrant.Another ticket I
got a few years before that one was for speeding and another one was for
crossing a yellow line.Other than that,I guess I consider myself a safe
driver.Nowdays I am scared to get on the interstates,so I take the
slowpoke backroads.

Back around 1990,I was on vacation in Florida and I drove the Tamiami
Trail from Miami to the West coast of Florida heading North.I had read
about that antique car museum in Sarasota.I was driving along Highway 41
near down town Sarasota.That traffic along there was so thick and heavy
and it was literally stop light city.I thought I would never get away
>from there.I once got a warning ticket from a cop in Daytona Beach one
night because the low beam wasen't working on one of my vans
headlights.The next day I went to an auto parts store and bought a new
headlight bulb. 
cuhulin    



Article: 336867 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: Eric Pierce <thefirstname@ericsound.com>
Subject: Re: For those who like political rants, here's a good one!
References: <TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06> <X%drg.15842$5i3.1064@trnddc01>
Message-ID: <V_erg.455$x93.384@fe05.lga>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:09:18 -0700

Google:

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/12/1216.asp

Includes the mp3 of the recording.

Eric


Mike Schultz wrote:
> The Kash Register Kops are at it again.
> 
> Do you have a link to the Post and Courier story?
> 


Article: 336868 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06> <X%drg.15842$5i3.1064@trnddc01>
Subject: Re: For those who like political rants, here's a good one!
Message-ID: <7Lfrg.3987$Og3.2564@trnddc06>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:01:39 GMT


"Mike Schultz" <mls2004@SPAMSPAMSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message 
news:X%drg.15842$5i3.1064@trnddc01...
> The Kash Register Kops are at it again.
>
> Do you have a link to the Post and Courier story?
>
> -- 
> Mike Schultz

Sorry about that.  I cut and pasted the URL, but it didn't "take."

Here is the original story from the Post and Courier:

http://www.charleston.net/stories/?newsID=95726&section=localnews.


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com




Article: 336869 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Phil Nelson" <philnelson@nospam.xyz>
References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com>   <1152152649.115385.298070@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   <LOednZf467pKzDDZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@giganews.com> <1152214185.578314.242530@s26g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great"
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:38:31 -0700
Message-ID: <wfidnWK9XYNtDTDZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com>

> vintage, but still bad.

Agreed, and I have thought the same thing for 30-some years. Meanwhile, my 
son couldn't care less, and all those easy/fun projects keep skipping to the 
front of the line :-)

Phil Nelson




Article: 336870 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com>
Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one!
Date: 6 Jul 2006 15:57:01 -0700
Message-ID: <1152226621.237804.318060@s26g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06>


Gary Tayman wrote:
> Well, this incident happened about two miles south of that museum.
>
> For the most part I admire the officers of the SPD.  They put their lives on
> the line every day, do plenty to keep our city safe and crime-free, and
> certainly are a big help with downtown activies, of which there are plenty.
> However every so often they get into this "mode" of writing traffic tickets
> for no reason, and for the past month or so they've been doing exactly that.
> It's probably not the officers themselves, but the police chief or someone
> higher up telling them to do it.  Today I had to go downtown and there they
> were -- luckily I managed to avoid another ticket.  (Come to think of it, I
> have a 93 Cadillac Deville -- aren't these the cars with the black boxes?
> Sure wish I could decode them.)
>
> My wife is a Federal Security Officer at the Sarasota-Bradenton Airport.
> THAT'S a position that often gets ridiculed; but you should thank them -- I
> could write a book about what they have done for our safety, but that's
> another subject.  It so happens that, on the same day and about the same
> time those cops were busy fabricating violations, there was an incident at
> the airport -- a woman was making threats and wielding a large knife.
> Security guards detained her, but SPD must make the arrest.  They called SPD
> and were told they were "too busy to handle your problem!"  After trying for
> two hours, they were forced to let her go.
>
> What REALLY got me was actually about two years ago.  The new John Ringling
> Bridge was being built, and until everything was complete they had a
> construction speed limit of 30.  That's fine, and a certain degree of
> enforcement was also fine.  However they eventually finished the bridge,
> finished the details, finished the landscaping, and totally cleaned up.  The
> speed limit was still 30 -- why?  Simply because the signmaker hadn't yet
> come out to replace them with 45's.  So for a week, SPD patrol cars were
> lined up, like taxis at an airport, pulling over everybody who was going 31
> or more.  Not only were there Sarasota cars, but Venice, Englewood, Arcadia,
> and even Security backups!  They were all called on and deputized so they
> could help enforce that stupid 30mph speed limit!  Then one day the cops
> were gone, and the new signs sported "SPEED LIMIT 45."  Boy, we really
> needed that enforcement for our safety, didn't we?
>
>
>
> --
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
Your city must have a very low crime rate if the police have enough
time on their hands to write "1" over tickets. Up to about 3 over could
be attributed to speedometer error. The unofficial word here is the DA
won't prosecute for 1-4 over the limit unless something bad happened-
or in school zones. Normally it takes 9 or more to get a ticket unless
they're doing "selective enforcement" to get masses of speeders to slow
down in a dangerous stretch.



Article: 336871 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com>
Subject: Does anybody make repro grill cloths for GE S-22?
Date: 6 Jul 2006 16:05:46 -0700
Message-ID: <1152227146.546375.81660@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com>

Don't see one on the grillcloth website. And for that matter, repro
handles. The S-22 was today's $5.00 garage sale special. Bad grill
cloth, no handle, a few bad veneer spots. Otherwise complete and ok.



Article: 336872 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "AuroraOldRadios" <menwagoh@msn.com>
Subject: Re: audio cassette player belts and rollers?
Date: 6 Jul 2006 16:07:40 -0700
Message-ID: <1152227260.401067.75150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
References: <zuCdnbikLPdNzzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com>


Lee wrote:
> Lynn Coffelt wrote:
> >      Teac A350 cassette deck, vintage 1970 or so? At one time one could buy
> > a kit of rubber parts (belts, rollers, etc) from several suppliers. I've
> > spent an hour "Googling" and cannot find much help. Where to look now, at
> > least for belts?
> >      This was a really good deck that I'd like to "tune-up" to capture my
> > old tapes to CD or DVD-RAM before it's too late!
> > Thanks for any leads.
> > Old Chief Lynn

Try this guy. He always seems to have what I need for TT and tape
decks.
http://www.vintage-electronics.cc/parts.html



Article: 336873 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "philo" <philo@privacy.net>
References: <rIRqg.2329$Og3.2165@trnddc06> <yoednVOCC8XZqTHZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@athenet.net> <THXqg.20593$Ap2.15531@trnddc03>
Subject: Re: Charging batteries
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:03:39 -0500
Message-ID: <X-adndQ4c51SCzDZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@athenet.net>


"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:THXqg.20593$Ap2.15531@trnddc03...
> What I'm trying to do is NOT be harsh to the battery.
>
> On the side it says 12 volts.  I measured 12.3 volts, but then it's not
> charged.  Is it 12.6?  13.2?  13.8?  I can only find out after charging
it.


With *no* surface charge...a fully charged lead-acid battery is 12.7 v
with 12.0 being discharged.


while a wet cell can go up to 15 volts on charge

a gel cell should not charge higher than 13.9v or so




Article: 336874 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net>
References: <TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06>
Subject: Re: For those who like political rants, here's a good one!
Message-ID: <Sehrg.1837$rT1.875@newsfe22.lga>
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:45:24 -0500


"Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06...
> I'll apologize in advance for the bandwidth of replies this will draw, but
> here's a news story we've all been waiting to hear.
>
> First off, for what it's worth, last month I was driving downtown
Sarasota,
> actually following a police car.  As I approached Palm Avenue, I saw the
> police car turn into an alley -- that's when I noticed there were
motorcycle
> cops lined up, and others on Palm Avenue, basically ticketing everybody
who
> went through the intersection.  Well, I pulled up to the intersection and
> stopped.  I waved another car to cross ahead of me, I waited for
pedestrians
> to cross the street in front of me, and when I looked to ensure the coast
> was clear, I saw one the motorcycle guys looking at me.  I asked myself
what
> he could possibly want -- I'm stopped, I let others go ahead of me, my
turn
> signal is on, heaven knows I wasn't speeding on this congested downtown
> street.  Oh well, the coast is clear so I'll go.  Sure enough, he pulled
me
> over and gave me a ticket for not stopping!  The story isn't over, I'm
> taking it to court.
>
> In light of this, here's a news story -- in Cottageville, South Carolina,
a
> certain cop was ripped apart by the mayor and police chief for not writing
> enough tickets.  What none of them knew was that the cop's recording
device
> was on, and 23 minutes of the session was caught on tape!  The cop later
> quit, but somewhere along the line somebody found this recording and gave
it
> to the Charleston newspaper!  The full story and recording can be found at
> Post and Courier's Web site.
>
> Time to sit back and let the fur fly!
>
>
> --
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
>
Gary,
    I don't know if you have a locally produced TV newscast... but if the
cops do this regularly, you could call the local newsroom, and tip them off.
Film of a vehicle stopping, then getting ticketed for not doing so would be
pretty conclusive.
    News-wise, this time of year is known as the "summer doldrums", and they
might jump at the chance for a really good story.  The Herald Tribune might
get interested too, but doesn't have the option of "show and tell" like TV
does.
    Of course, the news guys may not want to jeopardize their relationship
with the cops...
Cheers,
Nelson




Article: 336875 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle?
From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," <Mc-Kiernan@bogus-subdomain.worldnet.att.net>
References: <JZyqg.8101$0G2.1987@trnddc07> <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <s0pqa2p0fe0sutmdeq98kksmhhe961pgdk@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <kzhrg.330394$Fs1.312640@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:05:36 GMT

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:29:48 GMT, DeserTBoB wrote:

>>> I never think science/exploration funding is a waste of money.
>>
>> That's unfortunate, because everything comes witha cost, and so it's _always_ possible to have too much of such things. <snip>
> 
> This makes no sense.

That's a pitiful response.  Scientific research cost resources, thus, one can have too much of it if its production has caused one to have too little of other things.  This obviously happens when a state like that of North Korea (in which there is wide-spread malnutrition and significant levels of starvation) spends money on advanced research; but it can also happen in a wealthy nation, because one is still allocating a finite amount of resources amongst competing uses.

>> And, of course, one could and should question whether the Hubble telescope was the right investment at the right time. <snip>
> 
> There is NO doubt...the Hubble expanded Man's knowledge of his galaxy
> and beyond far, far beyond what would have happened if information had
> only been provided by terrestrial telescopes.

If the resources had _instead_ been spent on _biological_ research, then we'd now know biological things that we never knew before.  If the resources had _instead_ been spent on feeding people, then people would now be alive who are instead dead.  If the resouces had _instead- been left in the market economy, then future over-all levels of production (which could fund research, feeding people, or whatever) would have been greater than they will be.  Again, we have finite resources to allocate across competing uses.  What made Hubble the right investment when it was made?  Stop wiggling your butt and think.


Article: 336876 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Add to the list of oddities
Date: 6 Jul 2006 17:07:00 -0700
Message-ID: <1152230820.232023.265740@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com>
References: <mZ_qg.3137$Og3.745@trnddc06>

As Michael said and I alluded to, they were probably using parts that
were used in other applications where those 'features' were of value.
As far as the built in ground on pots and switches, to have that done
on volume purchases costs zero. Installing a jumper wire cost [back in
1960] about 6 cents. When that 6 cents was multiplied by overhead and
markups and profit it was up to around $0.24, so it does not take much
of those savings to have a noticeable effect on final selling price.
When we were first starting to use PCBs, the 'standard cost' for a
drill hole was 1 cent. Big deal--but it was not uncommon to have
300-500 holes in a PCB, so it was more economical to put vias at
component leads than them having their own hole for example.
Once an elecrical design was complete, it was my job to make it
manufacturable and to shave off every fraction of a cent possible to
maximize profit or undercut the competition.

Neil S.

Gary Tayman wrote:
> The types of things I'm referring to make no sense.  In the case of the tone
> control, one side goes to ground and the wiper goes to a shunt capacitor.
> The other side is not connected -- bare solder lug.  So why in heaven's name
> would Delco go to the extra trouble of cutting the carbon pad on the inside
> so that it doesn't cantact the solder lug?  The control doesn't "open" at
> the end, the cut is after that.  The cut was made to prevent the solder lug
> from being connected to the pad at all.  If nothing is soldered to it, why
> bother?  In another case -- 57 Chevy's are notorious for this -- the tone
> control is grounded on the control itself.  Again, why bother when it's easy
> enough to run a wire to ground -- and other wires are grounded such anyway.
> Some Mercury's have a tone switch that is internally grounded -- I can't
> understand the purpose of making a special switch to make a feature less
> effective.
>
>
>
> --
> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>
>
> "nesesu" <neil_sutcliffe@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:1152205918.296374.121710@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > John and Gary, it sounds like some of the projects I worked on where
> > someone high up in marketing came up with a goofy idea and we, in
> > engineering, were told it was stupid but "just do it".
> > We were often told to design a relatively low volume product using
> > "standard" parts, ie. parts used in volume on other products, even
> > though they were not the most appropriate for the job.
> > Gary, on those pot wafers, I actually had to modify a dual pot to end
> > the resistance element just before the end of rotation, because the
> > circuit REQUIRED that the 'rheostat' go open at the end of rotation,
> > not just be at the maximum resistance of 500k. I cannot see that as
> > being an issue on a tone control, though.
> >
> > Neil S.
> >
> > John Goller, k9uwa wrote:
> >> In article <mZ_qg.3137$Og3.745@trnddc06>, caradio@verizon.net says...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Makes you wonder what they were thinking . . .
> >> >
> >> >Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
> >>
> >> Automotive Engineers... rather than real radio engineers?...
> >> John k9uwa
> >



Article: 336877 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net>
References: <TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06> <Sehrg.1837$rT1.875@newsfe22.lga>
Subject: Re: For those who like political rants, here's a good one!
Message-ID: <Sfirg.4372$M%2.1680@trnddc02>
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:53:06 GMT

Actually I did talk to the Herald Tribune, but as you might figure, they 
need names and specifics -- and such could jeopardize jobs.  However they 
are well aware of the SPD's "antics" (their term) and I'm sure that when the 
right story comes along, they will indeed jump on it.

That Charleston story is so good I just had to share it.  It's the best such 
story I've heard in years -- the last really good one was about 25 years ago 
in Virginia.  An FCC officer from DC was traveling to a radio station in 
western Virginia for an inspection, when he went through a small town and 
was ticketed for speeding.  Sure enough there was a speed limit sign, albeit 
hidden by a tree.  Being from out of town, he was arrested and taken to the 
couthouse right away, where of course the verdict was guilty.  When he paid 
the fine he asked, "Are we finished?"  He was told yes.  He then opened his 
Federal badge, told the judge he was an FCC officer, and demanded to inspect 
the town's radar units on the spot.  Turns out none of it was licensed!  All 
of the equipment was confiscated and that town had to pay some whopper fines 
to the FCC for violations!  The police chief admitted the town bought it 
>from a traveling salesman who told them they could make money from the 
equipment.

Hmmm . . . is there an FCC office in Florida?  Where do I apply?


-- 
Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
http://www.taymanelectrical.com


"Nelson Gietz" <ngietz@mts.net> wrote in message 
news:Sehrg.1837$rT1.875@newsfe22.lga...
>
> "Gary Tayman" <caradio@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:TFdrg.3971$Og3.3709@trnddc06...
>> I'll apologize in advance for the bandwidth of replies this will draw, 
>> but
>> here's a news story we've all been waiting to hear.
>>
>> First off, for what it's worth, last month I was driving downtown
> Sarasota,
>> actually following a police car.  As I approached Palm Avenue, I saw the
>> police car turn into an alley -- that's when I noticed there were
> motorcycle
>> cops lined up, and others on Palm Avenue, basically ticketing everybody
> who
>> went through the intersection.  Well, I pulled up to the intersection and
>> stopped.  I waved another car to cross ahead of me, I waited for
> pedestrians
>> to cross the street in front of me, and when I looked to ensure the coast
>> was clear, I saw one the motorcycle guys looking at me.  I asked myself
> what
>> he could possibly want -- I'm stopped, I let others go ahead of me, my
> turn
>> signal is on, heaven knows I wasn't speeding on this congested downtown
>> street.  Oh well, the coast is clear so I'll go.  Sure enough, he pulled
> me
>> over and gave me a ticket for not stopping!  The story isn't over, I'm
>> taking it to court.
>>
>> In light of this, here's a news story -- in Cottageville, South Carolina,
> a
>> certain cop was ripped apart by the mayor and police chief for not 
>> writing
>> enough tickets.  What none of them knew was that the cop's recording
> device
>> was on, and 23 minutes of the session was caught on tape!  The cop later
>> quit, but somewhere along the line somebody found this recording and gave
> it
>> to the Charleston newspaper!  The full story and recording can be found 
>> at
>> Post and Courier's Web site.
>>
>> Time to sit back and let the fur fly!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical
>> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars
>> http://www.taymanelectrical.com
>>
>>
> Gary,
>    I don't know if you have a locally produced TV newscast... but if the
> cops do this regularly, you could call the local newsroom, and tip them 
> off.
> Film of a vehicle stopping, then getting ticketed for not doing so would 
> be
> pretty conclusive.
>    News-wise, this time of year is known as the "summer doldrums", and 
> they
> might jump at the chance for a really good story.  The Herald Tribune 
> might
> get interested too, but doesn't have the option of "show and tell" like TV
> does.
>    Of course, the news guys may not want to jeopardize their relationship
> with the cops...
> Cheers,
> Nelson
>
> 




Article: 336878 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Mort Denison" <mldenison@suscom.net>
References: <1152227146.546375.81660@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Does anybody make repro grill cloths for GE S-22?
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:18:55 -0400
Message-ID: <Eo6dnfUOA5PnKzDZnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@suscom.com>

I've looked for several years and never found anything remotely close. 




Article: 336879 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: cuhulin@webtv.net
Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:27:34 -0500
Message-ID: <16961-44ADB886-256@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>
References: <1152226621.237804.318060@s26g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

I forget what highway it was,but just I was getting into the Destin area
(from Panama City) on the two lane section of that highway,I got pulled
over for driving too slow.The Sheriffs Deputy guy told me to speed it up
a little untill I get to the four lane section.
cuhulin



Article: 336880 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:41:55 -0400
Message-ID: <12arev6mgrmile2@news.supernews.com>
References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com> <C0D15B0E.4E556%jmsent2@comcast.net> <Readnf8HAey2szHZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com> <raXqg.9060$Zo4.2041@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <44ac561e$0$941$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> <12ap20s4cipoca2@news.supernews.com> <44ad9756$0$957$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>

"Martin Crossley" <Martin@g8uwm.NOSPAMabelgratis.net> wrote in message 
news:44ad9756$0$957$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> Buck Frobisher wrote:
<snip>
> OK Buck, point taken,but the island I live on is rather less in Europe 
> than politicians would have people believe!
> The less said about public transport, the better.
> And a passport is required to visit Europe from here, and the car ferries 
> are slow. Flying is possible, but with a low luggage allowance of about 
> two wooden radios.
> I'm not really griping about our prices, just trying to give a different 
> perspective and trying my best not to feel a bit miffed or narked by 
> people mentioning  their prices, which are lower than I can remember 
> seeing here in over 25 years!
> I didn't know what an Echo was, but a search shows it's a Toyota Yaris and 
> has reasonable fuel economy.

"Reasonable"...  Well, over here it's one of the best, and yes, it's a 
Yaris, in fact we call it a Yaris here too, since this year.  You see, I 
live in an area where the average auto is either a van (like a Dodge 
Caravan) a pickup truck, or an SUV.   Typically, they drink twice as much 
fuel as my car.  This is significant when one considers that a lot of people 
spend at least an hour each way just going to and from work.

My Echo's trunk is certified for two boxes of assorted parts, and at least 
four wooden radios carefully packed, by the way.   Sadly, this is far more 
than my home can accept until I do a serious weeding out of a ton of plastic 
radios, so no Lansing for me. 




Article: 336881 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.)
Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:43:17 -0600
Message-ID: <10259-44ADBC35-1307@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net>
References: <44AD57AF.FB086FE4@earthlink.net>

 the majority of people agree that it is the worst thing you can do to a
control.

It is not that way here . Use what ever comforts you . I use what works
well . 



Article: 336882 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "tommodern" <tedwards@designallegro.com>
Subject: REL Precedent Tuner on Ebay
Date: 6 Jul 2006 19:31:44 -0700
Message-ID: <1152239504.213202.36920@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>

View item 140002430856.



Article: 336883 of rec.antiques.radio+phono
From: "Dave" <davegoncalves@gmail.com>
Subject: Sizzling in Replacement Cap
Date: 6 Jul 2006 19:40:43 -0700
Message-ID: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Hello,

 I am working on recapping a Knight-Kit T-150 transmitter. There is a
multisection 40/40 @ 450V capacitor that I replaced with a 20/20/20/20
@ 450 V (new from AES). To make the 40uF sections, I paralleled two of
the 20uF sections together. Ground remained on the cap case. Both of
the sections see at most 350 volts.

 After I powered it up, I noticed that my 300V line dropped about 50V,
and that a sizzling sound was eminating from the capacitor vent.

 This is a new cap, and I've used this brand and model several times
before. I've not had this happen.

 Any ideas as to what is causing this to occur?

Thanks, 


Dave Goncalves