Article: 336884 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Add to the list of oddities References: <1152205918.296374.121710@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:08:46 -0500 Gary Tayman wrote: > The types of things I'm referring to make no sense. In the case of the tone > control, one side goes to ground and the wiper goes to a shunt capacitor. > The other side is not connected -- bare solder lug. So why in heaven's name > would Delco go to the extra trouble of cutting the carbon pad on the inside > so that it doesn't cantact the solder lug? The control doesn't "open" at > the end, the cut is after that. The cut was made to prevent the solder lug > from being connected to the pad at all. If nothing is soldered to it, why > bother? In another case -- 57 Chevy's are notorious for this -- the tone > control is grounded on the control itself. Again, why bother when it's easy > enough to run a wire to ground -- and other wires are grounded such anyway. > Some Mercury's have a tone switch that is internally grounded -- I can't > understand the purpose of making a special switch to make a feature less > effective. > So called 'tone' controls were/are pretty useless anyway. 99% were simply high-cut filters...cutting the already sparse high end and raising the volume gives an apparent bass boost, but it's only an illusion. You get just as much bass by simply turning up the gain. In the case of the ground soldered to the pot body; perhaps they came >from the supplier already wired that way...with the track cut, as well. It would save a step in the assembly process. Perhaps in another application, the extra lug was used as a tie point. Article: 336885 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:12:39 -0500 Mike Schultz wrote: > The Kash Register Kops are at it again. > > Do you have a link to the Post and Courier story? > Here in Nashville, the mayor announced that ticket revenues, as a budget line-item, would increase by one third next fiscal year...with no increase in fines. Sounds like quotas to me.... jak Article: 336886 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Sherwin" Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:40:43 -0700, Dave wrote: > I am working on recapping a Knight-Kit T-150 transmitter. There is a > multisection 40/40 @ 450V capacitor that I replaced with a 20/20/20/20 > @ 450 V (new from AES). To make the 40uF sections, I paralleled two of > the 20uF sections together. Ground remained on the cap case. Both of > the sections see at most 350 volts. > > After I powered it up, I noticed that my 300V line dropped about 50V, > and that a sizzling sound was eminating from the capacitor vent. > > This is a new cap, and I've used this brand and model several times > before. I've not had this happen. > > Any ideas as to what is causing this to occur? You've been unlucky and the new cap is bad (does happen) or there's a wiring error somewhere. Paul Article: 336887 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gameroom" Subject: Re: jukebox/coin-op collection Date: 7 Jul 2006 01:05:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1152259505.038597.204530@s16g2000cws.googlegroups.com> References: <1152169920.310563.249990@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Ken- What's your screen resolution? What browser are you using (Firefox/IE6.0)? Thanks, Chip gameroomshow.com Ken wrote: > Way too wide for my screen. Ken > > gameroom wrote: > > > Hi all, if you're interested in collecting coin-op related items and > > old Wurlitzer juke-boxes, then check out my site and let me know what > > you think: http://www.gameroomshow.com > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chip > > gameroomshow.com > > Article: 336888 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: 7 Jul 2006 03:04:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> I recently bought a Sears Silvertone amp and tuner, pulled from a Silvertone model 7408. Made a new cabinet for it (see other thread about "Silvertone Console"). The radio plays with a rich, full sound and lots of deep bass. It has a phono input that can accept a ceramic or magnetic phono cartridge, with a switch to set it either way. Well, I connected a VM turntable with a Sonotone 8T cartridge. On most amps I've used it with, it sounds great for a ceramic cart. However on the Silvertone, it sounds rather thin and flat, with fairly low volume (as compared to the radio). Is there any way to boost the sound output of the cartridge, increasing the volume and bass? On other amps, it sounds nearly as good as magnetic. I even have a few Ronette crystal cartridges that are better-sounding when paired with the amps they came with. I love the vintage look and style of the VM turntable, and I know the cartridge is capable of better sound quality. There is also a slight hum, even though there is a ground connected to the chassis of the turntable through the left channel ground. The amp sounds okay with a magnetic phono, but I'd rather continue using the VM. There is also a tape input on the amp. Could I somehow make it work through there? Any suggestions? Gerry Article: 336889 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Does anybody make repro grill cloths for GE S-22? Date: 7 Jul 2006 03:19:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1152267577.819853.9330@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> References: <1152227146.546375.81660@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> I've been searching for years for replacement grille cloth for my Westinghouse Rainbow-Tone console with no luck. It's a pink/dusty rose satiny material with a fairly large diamond pattern. The diamonds are approximately an inch or so wide by about two inches long. The edges have frayed. I could simply add some strips of material around the edges, but I don't think it would look good. Anyone seen anything like that? Gerry Article: 336890 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: nospam4me@mytrashmail.com (RadicalModerate) Subject: Interesting advert site (Duke U. Ad*Access) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: I happened to run into the following "Ad*Access" site hosted by Duke University and thought I'd pass it along for the group's viewing/reading pleasure: http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/dynaweb/adaccess/ If you drill down a bit you can access old (1920-56) US radio and TV related Ads - there is a "Radio--Tubes" subheading: http://makeashorterlink.com/?D2E85406D [1] enjoy . . . [1] I use http://makeashorterlink.com because unlike http://tinyurl.com it tells you where its going to redirect you to and gives you 5 seconds to change your mind (less likely to be abused by spammers). -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Herb Oxley From: address IS Valid. Article: 336891 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil (J. B. Wood) Subject: Re: Deoxit at Radio Shack Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:24:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <8425-44AB5E31-1042@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> <1152133480.069182.281010@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1152195885.802413.162820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> In article <1152195885.802413.162820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, shaqtopz@aol.com wrote: > DeoxIT is the best stuff I've ever found. I use it on everything from > flashlights, batteries, light bulbs to audio/video equipment. A friend > of mine's parent was having problems with her hearing aid - the battery > (she thought) was not working. She put in a second, third battery and > the same problem. > My friend then took one of the DeoxIT pens and wiped the contact on the > hearing aid - totally amazed - working perfectly now. Saved her tons > of money replacing the hearing aid. > M. > Hello, and Amen. brother. I've used DeoxIT D5 spray on electrical contacts and scratchy potentiometers and have always been impressed by both the immediate results and longevity of the treatment. I've found it very effective in reducing voltage drops at the metallic junctions of antique model railroad track (e.g. American Flyer S-gauge). Great stuff, those Caig products. Sincerely, John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory 4555 Overlook Avenue, SW Washington, DC 20375-5337 Article: 336892 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: audio cassette player belts and rollers? From: "mike48151" References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:48:04 GMT On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 02:49:14 GMT, DeserTBoB wrote: >> This was a really good deck that I'd like to "tune-up" to capture my >> old tapes to CD or DVD-RAM before it's too late! > > Relax...your cassettes will probably outlive any CD-R/DVD-R copies. > Shelf life on that stuff is abyssmal. Shelf-lfe on *-RWs is just awful, but on *-Rs, with some minor precautions, it should be several hundred years. Article: 336893 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: audio cassette player belts and rollers? From: "mike48151" References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:50:41 GMT On 5-Jul-2006, "Lynn Coffelt" wrote: > I'd like to "tune-up" to capture my old tapes to CD or DVD-RAM If by "RAM" you mean "RW", I'd advise you to avoid it. You probably want CD-R or DVD-R. The *-RW stuff won't last more than a couple of years. Article: 336894 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 04:57:31 -0700 Message-ID: > I recently bought a Sears Silvertone amp and tuner, pulled from a > Silvertone model 7408. Made a new cabinet for it (see other thread > about "Silvertone Console"). The radio plays with a rich, full sound > and lots of deep bass. It has a phono input that can accept a ceramic > or magnetic phono cartridge, with a switch to set it either way. Well, > I connected a VM turntable with a Sonotone 8T cartridge. On most amps > I've used it with, it sounds great for a ceramic cart. However on the > Silvertone, it sounds rather thin and flat, with fairly low volume (as > compared to the radio). Is there any way to boost the sound output of > the cartridge, increasing the volume and bass? On other amps, it > sounds nearly as good as magnetic. I even have a few Ronette crystal > cartridges that are better-sounding when paired with the amps they came > with. I love the vintage look and style of the VM turntable, and I > know the cartridge is capable of better sound quality. There is also a > slight hum, even though there is a ground connected to the chassis of > the turntable through the left channel ground. The amp sounds okay > with a magnetic phono, but I'd rather continue using the VM. There is > also a tape input on the amp. Could I somehow make it work through > there? Any suggestions? The Sonotone 8T, if I recall correctly, was not a conventional ceramic pickup. It was intended to be used with a matching network to feed a magnetic input. I could be wrong about this particular model, but Sonotone did make ceramic pickups for magentic inputs. Article: 336895 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152239504.213202.36920@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: REL Precedent Tuner on Ebay Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 05:02:57 -0700 Message-ID: Note that the poster is also the seller. I'm surprised the gentleman doesn't have the minuscule bit of knowledge needed to connect it to an antenna and hi-fi system to see if it works. Article: 336896 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <8dOdnV0AzqfXRjbZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com> <44ac561e$0$941$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> <12ap20s4cipoca2@news.supernews.com> <44ad9756$0$957$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:47:53 GMT So I gather you're not going to Lansing? The Sarasota show location is around the corner from my house -- I could almost walk there -- but I'll indeed be donating a little petrol to the cause. Today I'm headed to Arcadia to pass out flyers. Later I plan to visit Venice, then Englewood for the same. No I don't drive an Echo; I get to choose between a 64 Thunderbird and a Cadillac DeVille. Although I usually take the T-Bird for the enjoyment, this time I'm taking the Caddy for the air conditioning. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Martin Crossley" wrote in message news:44ad9756$0$957$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net... > Buck Frobisher wrote: >> "Martin Crossley" wrote in message >> news:44ac561e$0$941$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net... >>> jim menning wrote: >>>> "Mark Oppat" wrote in message >>>> news:Readnf8HAey2szHZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> >>>>> here is the site that gives the gas prices across the nation... >>>>> http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html >>>>> >>>> >>>> gasbuddy is more up-to-date. http://www.gasbuddy.com/ >>>> >>>> It's worth checking out to plan your gas stops along the way on any >>>> long trip. >>>> jim menning >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.petrolprices.com/ >>> 0.96*1.835*3.785=6.67 US dollars/US gallon. >>> Martin(Stockport) >> >> Yes, yes, yes, Martin, poor Europe, gas prices are higher there (and >> they have been since WWII, and even before, for all I know). But two >> things to remember in Europe: nothing is -that- far away, and when >> you get there you won't find a parking space anyway, so stay home or >> take public transit. >> :) >> >> In our part of Canada, gas (regular) is at ~ C$1.08/litre, but who >> cares when you drive an Echo? > > OK Buck, point taken,but the island I live on is rather less in Europe > than politicians would have people believe! > The less said about public transport, the better. > And a passport is required to visit Europe from here, and the car ferries > are slow. Flying is possible, but with a low luggage allowance of about > two wooden radios. > I'm not really griping about our prices, just trying to give a different > perspective and trying my best not to feel a bit miffed or narked by > people mentioning their prices, which are lower than I can remember > seeing here in over 25 years! > I didn't know what an Echo was, but a search shows it's a Toyota Yaris and > has reasonable fuel economy. > > > > Article: 336897 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! References: Message-ID: <0Qsrg.12882$MF6.11394@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:54:20 GMT From a Rodriguez cartoon in the National Lampoon... (In the Mayor's office) "Chief, I don't like to tell you how to do your job, but it's an election year and the unions are raising hell. So from now on, when the electrodes are connected to the prisoner's genitals, it's GOT to be done by a union electrician." Jeff Mike Schultz wrote: > The Kash Register Kops are at it again. > > Do you have a link to the Post and Courier story? > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 336898 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave McClellan" References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:45:43 -0400 Is the cap NEW or NOS? Do any NEW caps need to be reformed prior to use? I always reform NOS caps before use, and always use a variac to gently bring up the B+ even when NEW caps are used. Perhaps overkill. Dave "Paul Sherwin" wrote in message news:e8l20e$s2l$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk... > On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:40:43 -0700, Dave wrote: > > > I am working on recapping a Knight-Kit T-150 transmitter. There is a > > multisection 40/40 @ 450V capacitor that I replaced with a 20/20/20/20 > > @ 450 V (new from AES). To make the 40uF sections, I paralleled two of > > the 20uF sections together. Ground remained on the cap case. Both of > > the sections see at most 350 volts. > > > > After I powered it up, I noticed that my 300V line dropped about 50V, > > and that a sizzling sound was eminating from the capacitor vent. > > > > This is a new cap, and I've used this brand and model several times > > before. I've not had this happen. > > > > Any ideas as to what is causing this to occur? > > You've been unlucky and the new cap is bad (does happen) or there's a > wiring error somewhere. > > Paul Article: 336899 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Yet another question about activities Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:05:33 GMT As you know, I've been gathering information about other swap meets, both big and small, around the country -- how large, where hosted, admission/table charges, days and hours, etc. Now I've got another question: Those of you who are involved in clubs -- what activities do you provide besides swap meets? I know the Jacksonville club, of which I'm on their e-mail list, frequently hosts displays in such places as the public library, putting several museum-class radios behind glass, or even having members present to chat with the public about the hobby. I am personally planning to do a seminar for an antique shop in Arcadia, to talk to the public about restoring/collecting old radios. The shop came to me (as a result of those swap meet flyers) but I'll represent the club in doing it. I think it will boost interest, as well as fish out some other collectors who are unaware of the club or its activities. This is just one event; I would like to see more activities where radios. or the hobby, is set before the public, and where club memebers can get together for "fun" activities. This, more than anything else, will boost interest in the hobby. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 336900 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: 7 Jul 2006 07:06:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > > The Sonotone 8T, if I recall correctly, was not a conventional ceramic > pickup. It was intended to be used with a matching network to feed a > magnetic input. > > I could be wrong about this particular model, but Sonotone did make ceramic > pickups for magentic inputs. Well, I tried flipping the switch over to magnetic, but that made the input too loud and extremely distorted, just as I thought it would. I'm just wondering if there is some way to boost the gain, bump up the bass and cut the treble to more "normal" levels. Article: 336901 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great" From: "Weldon Nudlpudl" References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com> <1152152649.115385.298070@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:09:35 GMT On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:58:13 GMT, Syl wrote: >> Hey guys. Lighten up! My mother, God rest her sole, died at the age >> of 87. She died of an automobile accident. > > What's that got to do with the subject of this thread ? Hey, Syl, lighten up! My grandfather died when he was, uhm, really old. He died of, uhm, a stroke maybe. I dunno. Anyway, he's dead, so you shouldn't criticize anybody! Article: 336902 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: The Reformation (Was: Sizzling in Replacement Cap) From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <0eurg.334716$Fs1.133896@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:30:20 GMT Article: 336903 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44AE7173.9FFE72F1@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:36:55 GMT Dave wrote: > > Hello, > > I am working on recapping a Knight-Kit T-150 transmitter. There is a > multisection 40/40 @ 450V capacitor that I replaced with a 20/20/20/20 > @ 450 V (new from AES). To make the 40uF sections, I paralleled two of > the 20uF sections together. Ground remained on the cap case. Both of > the sections see at most 350 volts. > > After I powered it up, I noticed that my 300V line dropped about 50V, > and that a sizzling sound was eminating from the capacitor vent. > > This is a new cap, and I've used this brand and model several times > before. I've not had this happen. > > Any ideas as to what is causing this to occur? > > Thanks, > > Dave Goncalves It sounds like you got a bad cap. They may have stuffed the can with the wrong parts, or connected one of the caps backwards inside the can. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 336904 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:34:15 -0600 Message-ID: <14536-44AE70E7-135@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> References: <44ADF200.28A7DA8@earthlink.net> Yes, Ken. I know how you work. How do you ``know`` ? you have never been over here to see things . I dont know how you work unless i see it . Your above statement is incomplete . I guarantee my work . Article: 336905 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave McClellan" References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <0eurg.334716$Fs1.133896@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: The Reformation (Was: Sizzling in Replacement Cap) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:40:42 -0400 Neil Sutcliffe (he is a member of this newsgroup) designed an excellent capacitor reformer for me. It works well and makes quick work of capacitor reforming. It is a variable (regulated) 0-500 volts and current limited (1-10ma) power supply - uses tubes. I can set the voltage to rated value +10% and set the current to about 5ma and let it do its thing with no danger of damage. Takes only a few hours. When I used the resistance current limited method, it often took days. Perhaps Neil is willing to share his design. Dave "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," wrote in message news:0eurg.334716$Fs1.133896@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Article: 336906 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great" References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com> <1152152649.115385.298070@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:20:39 GMT Message-ID: <-LKdnaGkRO9OFDPZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@adelphia.com> In the 1930`s Philco had white plastic Rosette knobs available for customers, so that if you wanted to paint your radio white for a sunroom you could have matching knobs.They didn`t have any green knobs as far as i know.I have 3 of the white rosette knobs if anybody wants to paint a Philco cathedral white.Rick Article: 336907 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:21:04 -0500 Message-ID: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> www.tvpredictions.com Invent a device which will allow ad skipping regardless,and put it on the market and you just might have a real money maker there. cuhulin Article: 336908 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Deoxit at Radio Shack Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:36:14 -0500 Message-ID: <5350-44AE8D7E-29@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: I guess I should get ahold of a can of Deoxit and try it out,J.B.Not meaning to be too off topic,but in World War Two,U.S.Army had more Ships than the U.S.Navy,here is a link about that. http://patriot.net/~eastlnd2/Army.htm (GO ARMY) My old buddy was on the USS Ticonderoga back in the 1960's.He was a Ship Fitter/Pipe Fitter.(read that,Plumber) I own an old wind up toy Locomotive.I think it dates back to the 1940's.it is in very nice condition and it still works too. cuhulin Article: 336909 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: FS Rider's Set Northern CA From: "LOP" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:46:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1152290286_13229@sp6iad.superfeed.net> Selling a set of Rider's manuals. 12 volumes total. Volume 1 contains an abridged version of the original five Rider volumes. (One volume) Volumes 6 through 16 (Eleven volumes) I will meet you half way in Northern, CA for delivery of this set and meet you for your pick up. The price for this set is $150. Please email us directly if you are interested at tubes@yestertronics.com May your tubes remain warm and glowing, Don and Liz ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Article: 336910 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "oldfogie" References: <%je6g.34381$Kn4.2861@bignews2.bellsouth.net> <3xm6g.2306$Xh3.7368@weber.videotron.net> Subject: Re: Phono idler needed Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:47:28 -0500 "oldfogie" wrote in message news:oet6g.30585$iB2.16394@bignews4.bellsouth.net... "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:nCs6g.931353$x96.134601@attbi_s72... In article , oldfogie@bellsouth.net says... > > > >Malcolm > > > > Well sorry if I took your post the wrong way Malcolm.. however as to value on these little RCA players. Nicely restored ones are worth more than you might think. See Flea Bay >http://cgi.ebay.com/Fully-restored-Red-RCA-45-EY-2-Record-Player-45RPM-NR_W 0 QQitemZ6623457725QQcategoryZ38034> that one was a 45-EY-2 ... most don't go that high.. but they do bring a lot for what they are. John k9uwa Man, looks like I need to paint this one red! This one is the complete player with amp and speaker, cabinet with top lid. That one wasn't red originally, ha said he had the place that rebuilt it to paint it red. If I knew I could get even half that for this one i would be more inclined to have the idler rebuilt. Malcolm Sorry I've been away so long, involved in various things, but I finally gave in and sent the idlet to Ed Crockett and had it rebuilt. Thanks to all for replies and suggestions. Malcolm B. Article: 336911 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: "it has a ANTIQUE GREEN FINISH and that looks great" Date: 7 Jul 2006 10:00:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1152291647.167096.179660@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <12aoainoo2o5i49@corp.supernews.com> Rick Yerke wrote: > In the 1930`s Philco had white plastic Rosette knobs available for customers, > so that if you wanted to paint your radio white for a sunroom you could have > matching knobs.They didn`t have any green knobs as far as i know.I have 3 of > the white rosette knobs if anybody wants to paint a Philco cathedral > white.Rick I've seen those knobs and wondered what radio used them. Article: 336912 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dkelvey@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap Date: 7 Jul 2006 10:41:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1152294064.606228.306900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Dave wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am working on recapping a Knight-Kit T-150 transmitter. There is a > > multisection 40/40 @ 450V capacitor that I replaced with a 20/20/20/20 > > @ 450 V (new from AES). To make the 40uF sections, I paralleled two of > > the 20uF sections together. Ground remained on the cap case. Both of > > the sections see at most 350 volts. > > > > After I powered it up, I noticed that my 300V line dropped about 50V, > > and that a sizzling sound was eminating from the capacitor vent. > > > > This is a new cap, and I've used this brand and model several times > > before. I've not had this happen. > > > > Any ideas as to what is causing this to occur? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave Goncalves > > > It sounds like you got a bad cap. They may have stuffed the can with > the wrong parts, or connected one of the caps backwards inside the can. > > Hi It is not likely backwards in the can, if you saw how they are made. It has either failed because of needing forming or was just a bad cap. In either case it is blown now. Dwight Article: 336913 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running! Date: 7 Jul 2006 10:42:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1152294141.188867.208620@k73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21> Awesome site, good stuff, make it grow (the web site). John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > Finally a Webpage.... Congrats Mark > > http://www.oldradioparts.net > > John k9uwa Article: 336914 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: Subject: Re: audio cassette player belts and rollers? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:48:39 GMT PRB is gone. Electronics Corner doesn't carry them anymore. Russell Industries has them now. Under PRB: http://www.russellind.com/prbline/index.html EVG is also history but Russell has some, although most items are dual-line now, PRB/EVG. If you order an EVG part don't be surprised to get one marked as both or as PRB. They aren't always originals but new ones made to match the size. These are also the ones being sold on eBay all the time in the tape recorder category. Ray "Arthur Dent" wrote in message news:B7%qg.111397$TK1.70529@fed1read06... > You might try this place: > http://www.electronicscorner.com/prb.htm > Prb used to have lots of belts. > Haven't used them recently. > Glen > > > "Lynn Coffelt" wrote in message > news:zuCdnbikLPdNzzHZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> Teac A350 cassette deck, vintage 1970 or so? At one time one could >> buy >> a kit of rubber parts (belts, rollers, etc) from several suppliers. I've >> spent an hour "Googling" and cannot find much help. Where to look now, at >> least for belts? >> This was a really good deck that I'd like to "tune-up" to capture my >> old tapes to CD or DVD-RAM before it's too late! >> Thanks for any leads. >> Old Chief Lynn >> >> > > Article: 336915 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:08:16 -0400 wrote in message news:1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > William Sommerwerck wrote: >> >> The Sonotone 8T, if I recall correctly, was not a conventional ceramic >> pickup. It was intended to be used with a matching network to feed a >> magnetic input. >> >> I could be wrong about this particular model, but Sonotone did make >> ceramic >> pickups for magentic inputs. > > Well, I tried flipping the switch over to magnetic, but that made the > input too loud and extremely distorted, just as I thought it would. > I'm just wondering if there is some way to boost the gain, bump up the > bass and cut the treble to more "normal" levels. The 8TA has an output of 0,3V only so you need a sensitive input. Also, ceramic cartridges, like their crystal cousins, like to see input impedance in the megohms. If the aux input of your amp has something in the 100K or less, there is your trouble. You can always insert a 1 or 2 MegOhms resistor in series with the cartridge, but you will definitely lose on output, especially if the input impedance is around 100K (10:1). So you are stuck with two choices: a) Build a simple preamp (see www.oldradioz.com/forum and look for the thread in the phono section about a small simple preamp) ...this is not Hi-Fi but will get you there. A Fet would be better, used as a buffer between the cartridge and the input. This will work if the cartridge output is sufficient to drive the aux input from your map. b) parallel a low value resistor across the cartridge's terminals and feed the mag input. Idea is to convert from a constant amplitude to a constant velocity type. It should be very close to the RIAA curve. Try 4,7 Kohms resistors for a start. Syl Article: 336916 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:13:44 GMT I would suspect a defective cap. I've had a few over the years. It could be a miswiring of one of the caps inside or one could be/have gone bad. I would suspect one (or more) is connected backwards from the sound of things. Could be a mistake in fabrication of the multisection or mismarked (polarity) components inside. A very leaky cap can also fry. And it will pull down the voltage too. I have had a lot of problems with higher voltage caps in recent years too. They don't store well and I always have to check and reform and recheck them before using them. They don't seem to hold up as well as the lower voltage ones. Leakage is bad and capacitance at voltage drops. I have to be very careful when selecting caps for customers to avoid problems. If one goes bad in something of mine it's aggravating but if it goes wrong in someone else's gear it makes me look bad. Ray "Dave" wrote in message news:1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Hello, > > I am working on recapping a Knight-Kit T-150 transmitter. There is a > multisection 40/40 @ 450V capacitor that I replaced with a 20/20/20/20 > @ 450 V (new from AES). To make the 40uF sections, I paralleled two of > the 20uF sections together. Ground remained on the cap case. Both of > the sections see at most 350 volts. > > After I powered it up, I noticed that my 300V line dropped about 50V, > and that a sizzling sound was eminating from the capacitor vent. > > This is a new cap, and I've used this brand and model several times > before. I've not had this happen. > > Any ideas as to what is causing this to occur? > > Thanks, > > > Dave Goncalves > Article: 336917 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44AEBA72.75FF6ADF@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:48:24 GMT dkelvey@hotmail.com wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > > > It sounds like you got a bad cap. They may have stuffed the can with > > the wrong parts, or connected one of the caps backwards inside the can. > > > Hi > It is not likely backwards in the can, if you saw how they are made. > It has either failed because of needing forming or was just a bad > cap. In either case it is blown now. > Dwight Some of the newer "FP" style capacitors are just off the shelf parts soldered to the terminal board and crimped into the traditional can. Is there a date code on the part? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 336918 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:51:00 GMT robert casey wrote: > > cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > > > www.tvpredictions.com > > > > Invent a device which will allow ad skipping regardless,and put it on > > the market and you just might have a real money maker there. > > cuhulin > > > > If it's analog NTSC TV, boxes intended to strip off macrovision may be > enough. Just blank out all the stuff in the vertical interval between > the vertical sync and the top of the picture. Philips has designed a chipset that disables your remote during commercials. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 336919 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:08:59 -0700 Message-ID: Can you temporarily wire two replacements under the chassis (after disconnecting your replacement completely)? If the problem goes away, it was a bad cap -- not common, but not unheard of. Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 336920 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:02:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? From: John Stone Message-ID: References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> On 7/7/06 6:57 AM, in article mMednXWwSP6m0TPZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: > The Sonotone 8T, if I recall correctly, was not a conventional ceramic > pickup. It was intended to be used with a matching network to feed a > magnetic input. > > I could be wrong about this particular model, but Sonotone did make ceramic > pickups for magentic inputs. The 8T was a standard stereo ceramic with a moderate output. I used one for years till I switched to a Shure M3D. The 9T as I recall, came with a set of barrels to be inserted between the cable and the mag input of the amplifier. Article: 336921 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Beloved Leader" Subject: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Date: 7 Jul 2006 15:11:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Another one bites the dust. Someday, iPods will be antiques. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060707-7206.html ******************* Technology forces Chicago radio station to confront change 7/7/2006 9:47:32 AM, by Peter Pollack You can add radio to the list of media that will be facing new challenges for survival in the face of new technology. For years, WBEZ Chicago Public Radio has been a major home for jazz programming in that city, with a full one-third of its weekday schedule devoted to music, along with a bevy of music shows on the weekend. Next year, that era will be coming to an end, as the station makes the switch to an a news/talk/public affairs format. That change is in response to-among other factors-altered listening habits as WBEZ's music audience shifts to satellite radio and portable music players like the iPod. To be sure, not everyone is happy with the planned changes, and a petition site has even been set up by listeners to protest WBEZ's new focus. The station's shift leaves the third-largest US market filled with little more than a collection of cookie-cutter music outlets owned by corporate giants like Clear Channel, Infinity, and Bonneville. One rare exception is WFMT, which plays mostly classical and is itself a subsidiary of one of the local public television stations. *********** Reuters: http://today.reuters.com/stocks/QuoteCompanyNewsArticle.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-07-06T120050Z_01_N30272704_RTRIDST_0_LEISURE-RADIO-GENERAL-FEATURE.XML&rpc=66 or http://tinyurl.com/zh9hs **************** FEATURE-Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod By Deborah Cohen CHICAGO, July 6 (Reuters) - The iPod and a growing need for local news have done the unthinkable: They have cost Chicago, one of America's great jazz cities, its last major source for jazz programming on local radio. WBEZ, Chicago's National Public Radio (NPR) member station and among the oldest public radio outlets in the United States, has decided to scrap scheduled music programming -- the bulk of which was nightly jazz -- and move to a 24-hour news and public affairs format. **************** Article: 336922 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:19:24 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > I'll apologize in advance for the bandwidth of replies this will draw, but > here's a news story we've all been waiting to hear. > > First off, for what it's worth, last month I was driving downtown Sarasota, > actually following a police car. As I approached Palm Avenue, I saw the > police car turn into an alley -- that's when I noticed there were motorcycle > cops lined up, and others on Palm Avenue, basically ticketing everybody who > went through the intersection. Well, I pulled up to the intersection and > stopped. I waved another car to cross ahead of me, I waited for pedestrians > to cross the street in front of me, and when I looked to ensure the coast > was clear, I saw one the motorcycle guys looking at me. I asked myself what > he could possibly want -- I'm stopped, I let others go ahead of me, my turn > signal is on, heaven knows I wasn't speeding on this congested downtown > street. Oh well, the coast is clear so I'll go. Sure enough, he pulled me > over and gave me a ticket for not stopping! The story isn't over, I'm > taking it to court. Help me out here, Gary. I'm sure that somehow it is Bush's fault - after all, everything is - but I can't quite find the link to him. Hillary's phone was busy when I called for help, but maybe it is a right-wing conspiracy? [Yes, I've just come from Home Depot, and as always, that experience has left me feeling bitchy!] Bill Article: 336923 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:45:07 -0500 Message-ID: <29047-44AEF203-162@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: Somewhere on the internet there is a link to Speed Traps around America.You have to watch out for those too,you know.Just can't win for loseing anymore nowdays. cuhulin Article: 336924 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:12:35 -0700 Message-ID: <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> > Philips has designed a chipset that disables your remote > during commercials. And how does it know a commercial is playing? Article: 336925 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: >> The Sonotone 8T, if I recall correctly, was not a conventional ceramic >> pickup. It was intended to be used with a matching network to feed a >> magnetic input. >> I could be wrong about this particular model, but Sonotone did make >> ceramic pickups for magentic inputs. > Well, I tried flipping the switch over to magnetic, but that made the > input too loud and extremely distorted, just as I thought it would. > I'm just wondering if there is some way to boost the gain, bump up > the bass and cut the treble to more "normal" levels. Note my comment (above) about "matching network". Article: 336926 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:16:03 -0700 Message-ID: > It should be very close to the RIAA curve. Nope. If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely flat amplitude response, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved downward about 12dB on RIAA recordings. Article: 336927 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:23:36 -0700 Message-ID: > The 8T was a standard stereo ceramic with a moderate output. I used one for > years till I switched to a Shure M3D. The 9T as I recall, came with a set of > barrels to be inserted between the cable and the mag input of the amplifier. You're probably right; I stand corrected. Now, if we could just find out what the network was... It's a shame the Sonotone engineer didn't post it... http://www.roger-russell.com/sonopg/sonopc.htm I've sent him e-mail. Perhaps he'll respond... Article: 336928 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Need 120 transmitter Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:21:21 -0600 Message-ID: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run cordless . Article: 336929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:36:32 GMT > Help me out here, Gary. I'm sure that somehow it is Bush's fault - after > all, everything is - but I can't quite find the link to him. Hillary's > phone was busy when I called for help, but maybe it is a right-wing > conspiracy? > > [Yes, I've just come from Home Depot, and as always, that experience has > left me feeling bitchy!] > > Bill I can tell you. somewhere along the line Dick Cheney may have had stock in a broker package that may have included Home Depot -- which means it's his fault you had a bad day. I told you my wife is a Transportation Security Officer at the Sarasota/Bardenton airport. As such she receives a lot of intelligence on a continual basis. This will wake you up -- last week somebody was pulled aside in Houston for having suspicious materials. The Houston police let him go, saying he had nothing that should be considered contraband, and scolded the TSA officers. The fellow changed planes in Atlanta, where he was caught again. This time they investigated, and found everything needed to build a bomb onboard, and hollowed-out shoes for the purpose. Yesterday there was another incident involving a woman -- didn't catch where, and today there was some incident on a flight from Tampa to Chicago where someone attempted to enter the cockpit. I can continue with such stories, but suffice it to say the terrorists are still out there (albeit considerably weaker thanks to the removal of Saddam Hussein, whether you want to hear that or not) and the TSA, FBI, and CIA are all working together and doing a spectacular job of preventing another 9-11 attack. I'll make one more comment and then I'll stop. If you try to board a plane and someone questions you for having a 9v battery, there's a very legitimate reason. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 336930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:42:40 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Message-ID: References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> In article <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com>, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: > > Philips has designed a chipset that disables your remote > > during commercials. > > And how does it know a commercial is playing? The broadcast station or cable channel sends special information imbedded in the signal during those times they don't wan the remote to be active. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 336931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Message-ID: References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:56:55 GMT On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:21:21 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote: >I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug >the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run >cordless . Send me $4.3 Million and I will start working on the problem. I will send you annual progress reports from Tahiti. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 336932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:05:40 -0400 "Ken G." wrote in message news:12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net... >I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug > the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run > cordless . > What Brian is saying Ken is that there is no such thing. Tom Article: 336933 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Warren Weber" References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:14:06 -0600 Message-ID: "Ken G." wrote in message news:12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net... >I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug > the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run > cordless . > Ken.. This is July 7th not April 1st. (<:} Article: 336934 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:31:21 -0400 "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:mPSdnYyFoIXGZDPZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> It should be very close to the RIAA curve. > > Nope. If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely flat > amplitude response, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved downward about > 12dB on RIAA recordings. > > You say nope (generalizing), then introduce an IF...Prove to me that it doesn't work and why. Supply more than one crystal or ceramic cartridge model and make that is designed to have a "genuinely flat amplitude response" with data, references and under which conditions the crystal or ceramic cartridge has been spec'ed. I am waiting. Syl Article: 336935 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: for those who may want to put a modern tuner into something Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:40:05 -0700 Message-ID: <903ua21bo5fhnqsu1ohvguqankccbv98df@4ax.com> I put this radio shack tuner up for auction - the guts are pretty small - a single aprox 5X7 card, so if you have a nice cabinet that needs a tuner, this would be a good choice- it is powered from a separate amp, so it will take some figuring out - not hard, I just don't have the time, inclination or need to pursue it. here's the link - I expect it to go cheaply http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300005285246 I also listed a companion cassette player - looks like a nice unit, but who uses cassettes any more - may be useful for parts, or as with the tuner, you could use it http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300005288542 I suspect both these work - they were handed to me (here, get rid of these for me ) without the amp - probably the amp failed or got lost leaving these behind - but they are untested. ok, now back to the big vacuum..... Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 336936 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jim rozen Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: 7 Jul 2006 18:26:44 -0700 Message-ID: References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> In article , John Byrns says... >The broadcast station or cable channel sends special information imbedded >in the signal during those times they don't wan the remote to be active. Like I said, 'what if they gave a party and nobody came?' This is just yet one more reason I no longer care to sample the broadcast or cable tv wares. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== Article: 336937 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44AF1210.7AD5A7A1@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:02:19 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > > > Philips has designed a chipset that disables your remote > > during commercials. > > And how does it know a commercial is playing? You claim to be an EE, yet you can't do a simple search of the Philips site? It was on the local TV news recently and for once they almost knew what they were talking about. its dirt simple. The chipset uses a line in the vertical interval reserved for station use and the commercials have the code in the VBI signal to disable the remote, including the on/off switch. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 336938 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 02:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> In robert casey writes: >Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian, wrote: >> If the resources had _instead_ been spent on _biological_ research, then >we'd now know biological things that we never knew before. If the >resources had _instead_ been spent on feeding people, then people would >now be alive who are instead dead. If the resouces had _instead- been >left in the market economy, then future over-all levels of production >(which could fund research, feeding people, or whatever) would have been >greater than they will be. Again, we have finite resources to allocate >across competing uses. What made Hubble the right investment when it >was made? Stop wiggling your butt and think. >The trick is to ration out the NSF grants to research all the above and >more, to cover most of the promising bets to get the knowledge we can >use now and other knowledge that might lead to something we can make use >of. Research into supernovas or black holes might lead to something >that can be used for making fusion power plants work. I said "might", >not guaranteed though. The director of the Super Collider that had been planned for Waxahachie, Texas, bitterly complained of the project cancellation by Congress as "The revenge of the C students." Of course this won him no new friends on Capitol Hill. But he was right. It's an unfortunate state of affairs that few people people really understand how science works. Congress, and the general public, often feel funding should go to those who claim "We're going to cure cancer." Pure research doesn't work that way. Engineering does, but not research. There has never been a fundamental new discovery in science that didn't come straight out of left field. It's famously been said that had Proxmire been around in the twenties he'd have given a Golden Fleece award to Fleming for wasting the taxpayers' money by studying molds. I support the space program because it's one of the few places left where pie-in-the-sky ideas can be persued. Of course there has to be limits, and everything's a trade-off. But civilization needs those people who make it their life obsession to understand why the inside of a lightbulb darkens. It might be cheaper to just throw the bulbs away, but if you fund that guy he just might invent the radio tube. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 336939 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> jim rozen wrote: > In article > , John > Byrns says... > >> The broadcast station or cable channel sends special information imbedded >> in the signal during those times they don't wan the remote to be active. > > Like I said, 'what if they gave a party and nobody came?' > This is just yet one more reason I no longer care to sample > the broadcast or cable tv wares. > This sounds like an urban legend....What would compel TV manufacturers to include such a feature in their sets, and who would buy them, knowing the feature was there? -Scott Article: 336940 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Engineer" Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Date: 7 Jul 2006 19:56:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1152327405.372853.299830@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > "Ken G." wrote: > > > > I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug > > the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run > > cordless . (snip) "Beam me up, Scotty" Cheers, Roger Article: 336941 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:58:16 GMT On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 02:27:53 GMT, Tim Mullen wrote: > But civilization needs those people > who make it their life obsession to understand why the inside of a > lightbulb darkens. It might be cheaper to just throw the bulbs away, > but if you fund that guy he just might invent the radio tube. And so do you tax-away support for such folk? The valve, after all, was not invented under government grant. Article: 336942 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:09:05 GMT On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:58:55 GMT, robert casey wrote: > The trick is to ration out the NSF grants to research all the above and > more, to cover most of the promising bets to get the knowledge we can > use now and other knowledge that might lead to something we can make use > of. Indeed, that is the "trick". The problem is that for any resource allocation, one needs some sort of _ratios_ to direct allocation; such ratios are _prices_. Political processes generate prices that result in absurd allocations. Even if we put _saints_ in charge of the process, they'd just be guessing; and we will _never_ have saints running the process. Article: 336943 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 03:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> In "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," writes: >On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 02:27:53 GMT, Tim Mullen wrote: >> But civilization needs those people >> who make it their life obsession to understand why the inside of a >> lightbulb darkens. It might be cheaper to just throw the bulbs away, >> but if you fund that guy he just might invent the radio tube. >And so do you tax-away support for such folk? The valve, after all, was not invented under government grant. My cheekiness got the better of me in that example. The valve was engineering, not research. Of course what you say is true. I won't claim it's an easy problem, that of how we as a civilization distribute our resources. With no profit motivation it's difficult to interest corporations (or individuals) to shoulder the burden of pure research on their own. Let's look at the tube this time, instead of the valve. DeForest was wildly trying to get rich and or famous. This drove him to put in the time, money, and effort. How are you going to make a buck off of knowing the mass of an electron neutrino? Will knowing that save anyone's life? Does this mean we shouldn't bother? Particle accelerators ain't cheap, after all. I don't know which minor bit of knowledge will become the cornerstone of the next revolution. But I can almost guarantee you it'll start out as something thought to be useless. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 336944 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:16:11 -0500 Message-ID: <29047-44AF237B-197@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: Humans have the knack for Exploring.Be it interspace or outerspace,or wherever/whatever.Let the Explorations continue,is what I say.We only go around once in the Universe.Thank You for listening. cuhulin Article: 336945 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:20:41 -0500 Message-ID: <29047-44AF2489-198@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: I saw a link,I think it was in the middle isle at www.rense.com (yes,I know,it's sort of kind of a kook site to) yesterday about where ShotGun cheney invest his crooked money.Can you say Europe? cuhulin Article: 336946 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:31:06 -0400 Message-ID: <12au9ns71bog933@news.supernews.com> References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> "Tom Biasi" wrote in message news:zyDrg.4401$862.28@fe10.lga... > > "Ken G." wrote in message > news:12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net... >>I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug >> the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run >> cordless . >> > What Brian is saying Ken is that there is no such thing. > Tom Not yet anyway, but keep watching: we're not far from being able to broadcast power from solar collectors in space... Article: 336947 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:33:44 +0900 Message-ID: References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message news:e8n45702dql@news3.newsguy.com... > jim rozen wrote: >> In article >> , >> John >> Byrns says... >> >>> The broadcast station or cable channel sends special information >>> imbedded >>> in the signal during those times they don't wan the remote to be active. >> >> Like I said, 'what if they gave a party and nobody came?' >> This is just yet one more reason I no longer care to sample >> the broadcast or cable tv wares. > This sounds like an urban legend....What would compel TV manufacturers to > include such a feature in their sets, and who would buy them, knowing the > feature was there? So far they don't appear to be talking about television sets, only DVR's, to keep people from fast forwarding past the ads. They get away with it based on recent court decisions on piracy. Article: 336948 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:23:44 -0500 Message-ID: <29049-44AF2540-45@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <14536-44AE70E7-135@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> I could probally wee wee on it and do better than deoxit can. cuhulin Article: 336949 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:41:53 +0900 Message-ID: References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message news:e8n45702dql@news3.newsguy.com... > jim rozen wrote: >> In article >> , >> John >> Byrns says... >> >>> The broadcast station or cable channel sends special information >>> imbedded >>> in the signal during those times they don't wan the remote to be active. >> >> Like I said, 'what if they gave a party and nobody came?' >> This is just yet one more reason I no longer care to sample >> the broadcast or cable tv wares. > This sounds like an urban legend....What would compel TV manufacturers to > include such a feature in their sets, and who would buy them, knowing the > feature was there? > > -Scott This takes it out of the realm of urban legend: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=20060070095.PGNR.&OS=DN/20060070095&RS=DN/20060070095 You may have to copy/paste the link. Article: 336950 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44AF29D3.43142DD6@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <12au9ns71bog933@news.supernews.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:43:43 GMT Buck Frobisher wrote: > > "Tom Biasi" wrote in message > news:zyDrg.4401$862.28@fe10.lga... > > > > "Ken G." wrote in message > > news:12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net... > >>I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug > >> the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run > >> cordless . > >> > > What Brian is saying Ken is that there is no such thing. > > Tom > > Not yet anyway, but keep watching: we're not far from being able to > broadcast power from solar collectors in space... Yeah, they've been promising it for almost 50 years, now. When it happens you can use your microwave oven to protect the things you don't want to cook. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 336951 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <__Frg.338790$Fs1.239030@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:53:30 GMT On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 03:21:53 GMT, Tim Mullen wrote: > How are you going to make a buck off of knowing the mass of an > electron neutrino? Will knowing that save anyone's life? Does this > mean we shouldn't bother? Particle accelerators ain't cheap, after > all. Before anyone attempts to answer that question, then ought to ask you "When?" After all, in terms of bettering human welfare, research can be premature, exactly because it comes at the cost of more timely research, or of things of value that are not research at all. When there is _good_reason_ to expect research on the neutrino to be timely in its effect on human welfare, there will be a profit in such research. (That effect might result from a "practical" effect, or simply from the population becoming more commonly scientifcally curious.) > I don't know which minor bit of knowledge will become the cornerstone > of the next revolution. But I can almost guarantee you it'll start out > as something thought to be useless. Well, given the notion of "revolution", that might prove tautological. But, in any case, the market produces ostensibly useless results along with those whose use is immediately seen, and plenty of revolutions. In fact, it is quicker to spot and exploit the chance for revolution in its "useless" results. (I add "and exploit", think of such things as the sad history of the laser.) Article: 336952 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <29047-44AF237B-197@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <30Grg.338797$Fs1.215361@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:54:39 GMT On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 03:16:11 GMT, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Humans have the knack for Exploring.Be it interspace or outerspace,or > wherever/whatever.Let the Explorations continue,is what I say.We only go > around once in the Universe.Thank You for listening. I'm all for exploration; I just don't want to shanghai people and force them to man the ships. Article: 336953 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: 7 Jul 2006 21:24:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1152332666.635872.76590@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Wow what next? Make the commercials part of the TV show so that you can't tell where the show stops and the ad starts. Wait that would be like Jello and Lucky Strike in the middle of a Jack Benny Radio Program or Carnation Milk in a Burns in Allen TV Show. Texaco/Milton Berle....At least those ads were somewhat entertaining! Regards, Steven Reeves Article: 336954 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <29047-44AF33C5-201@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <30Grg.338797$Fs1.215361@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Shanghai is in China.I have been to China three times before.Meettttt meeeee at the slop chuteeeee by the aulddddd Wanggggg Pooooooo,,,,,,, day oldddd potatos for a firey stewwwww,,,,,,, I never been to Shanghai before though. cuhulin Article: 336955 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:30:40 -0500 Message-ID: <29049-44AF34F0-48@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: I like them funny commercials ok.Like that one years ago when a banana truck turned over and all of them cars were slip sliding around everywhere.And that Japanese commercial when that woman had just cleaned her kitchen floor and that chicken plopped down on there. cuhulin Article: 336956 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:32:00 -0500 Message-ID: <29047-44AF3540-202@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: That French condom commercial. cuhulin Article: 336957 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: REL Precedent Tuner on Ebay Date: 7 Jul 2006 21:45:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1152333908.442172.280160@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152239504.213202.36920@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > Note that the poster is also the seller. > > I'm surprised the gentleman doesn't have the minuscule bit of knowledge > needed to connect it to an antenna and hi-fi system to see if it works. William, Didn't you just post a message where you said "I suspect both these work - they were handed to me (here, get rid of these for me ) without the amp - probably the amp failed or got lost leaving these behind - but they are untested." Maybe he didn't have the "time, inclination or need to pursue it. " Thats why when I don't have time to test an item (not very often) and even when I do, I always offer a 30 day no questions asked money back guarentee. Out of over 100 sales no Refunds yet. and I never had to hoc my wares in this fourm Regards, Steven W Reeves Article: 336958 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:04:33 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> In article , "William Sommerwerck" wrote: > > It should be very close to the RIAA curve. > > Nope. If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely flat > amplitude response, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved downward about > 12dB on RIAA recordings. Nope, if the cartridge had "a genuinely flat amplitude response" then using a small value resistor in the way Syl described would give perfectly flat response through a magnetic phono input, assuming the equalization on the magnetic phono input was accurate. If the cartridge had some mechanical equalization, then the response would be raised above 2kHz, starting around 500 Hz. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 336959 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <903ua21bo5fhnqsu1ohvguqankccbv98df@4ax.com> Subject: Re: for those who may want to put a modern tuner into something Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:29:29 GMT Hi! > I put this radio shack tuner up for auction - the guts are pretty > small - a single aprox 5X7 card, so if you have a nice cabinet that > needs a tuner, this would be a good choice- it is powered from a > separate amp, so it will take some figuring out - not hard, I just > don't have the time, inclination or need to pursue it. Technics...I already pursued it and what to do is pretty straightforward. http://greyghost.dyndns.org/tunerhack/ Since then I've uncovered the audio outputs and had much better luck with a beefier AC adapter. I'd say this tuner works reasonably well... > here's the link - I expect it to go cheaply Your first link to a review seems to point to a much older tuner. > I also listed a companion cassette player - looks like a nice unit, > but who uses cassettes any more - may be useful for parts, or as with > the tuner, you could use it This is much the same story. Probably made by Technics once again, this one needs 12 volts DC. I still use cassettes, and prefer them in abusive environments where my CDs will not go! http://greyghost.dyndns.org/2003s10/radio.htm (mostly OT, but hey...) William Article: 336960 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: <21079-44AF40BE-107@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152332666.635872.76590@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In my opinion,it should be Illegal for anybody to try to ''force'' anybody to watch any commercials on tv and to ''force'' anybody to listen to any commercials on radio.Ohhhhhh,,,,,, if only I had my way.I would put an END to all commercials and advertisements Forever! I am the World worst Hater of all commercials and adverisements,PERIOD! I dont care what anybody says. cuhulin Article: 336961 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 01:54:31 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> Message-ID: Brenda Ann wrote: > > > So far they don't appear to be talking about television sets, only DVR's, to > keep people from fast forwarding past the ads. They get away with it based > on recent court decisions on piracy. > > > My DVD player, 4 year old Mintek cheapie, won't let you skip past many commercials mixed in between the previews on DVDs. I can't just FF to the movie menu. It also won't let you skip past some previews and legal disclaimers on adult videos (so I'm told). I had a DVR for about 6 months (didn't use it like I thought I would). There were comercials that "resisted" being skipped. It seemed like it was about every third one no matter what the program. It almost seemed like the software in the DVR would let you skip 2 commercials but then restarted #3 a couple of times until you skipped past it again. #4 was a cointoss. It might skip, or it might resist. This happened during playback obviously. Article: 336962 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Date: 7 Jul 2006 22:59:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1152338343.177916.290110@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> References: Ok I got a story from today. This morning my wife drives to the store to pick up some milk on the way back she gets pulled over and gets a $500 ticket for not having proof on insurance with her. We have insurance she just forgot to put the card from our insurance company in the glovebox. I tell her not to worry, when she goes to court we will show the proof and maybe get a small fine or even have the case dismissed. Later I take a look at the ticket and where you sign it it say's "copy provided". I asked if she signed anything before she got the ticket and she tells me the officer said "you don't need to sign them anymore". On the ticket it still says "by signing this you are not admitting guilt just promising to appear". Now I live in a little mayberry type town however I was raised in Los Angeles. If the cops there could issue tickets without a signature all hell would break loose. Imagine officers writing tickets to people they did not pulled over throwing away the offenders copy and then someone has a warrant for an offence they did not commit? I can't imagine tickets being issued without having a promise to appear signature with the exception of parking tickets. Regards, Steven Reeves Article: 336963 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:23:50 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. Message-ID: Maybe I can swing this toward On Topic because I've noticed that the AM band that I listen to on my antique radios is about 50% commercials during any given time period. The issue on the other thread was about not skiping commercials on DVR. I was a youngster in the 70s when cable TV came on the scene and we never had it when i was growing up. I seem to remember that one of the big selling points was "You pay x.xx per month and you get continuous programming with no commercial interruption. The fee was supposed to offset the advertisements. Wow, TV with no commercials. I've now had cable for a few years and have noticed that, on many channels, commercial time now surpasses any that I can remember on broadcast TV. I've never actually timed it, but I would be willing to say thet it is nearly a 50-50 split depending on the channel. Many segments between commercials seem to be shorter than the breaks themselves. It seems that I'm paying for advertising. Has anyone noticed this, or am I being too fussy. I "might" watch 4 hours of TV per week and i feel bombarded when I do. It seems to be the same on radio, FM and moreso on our beloved AM, aside from the lack of programming. Any thoughts? Article: 336964 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: Re: for those who may want to put a modern tuner into something Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:30:56 -0700 Message-ID: References: <903ua21bo5fhnqsu1ohvguqankccbv98df@4ax.com> thanks - deleted the link that points to the older tuner - I think this one may take DC, but I'm not sure -I didn't see a diode bridge anywhere, but then I only looked quickly. On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:29:29 GMT, "William R. Walsh" wrote: >Hi! > >> I put this radio shack tuner up for auction - the guts are pretty >> small - a single aprox 5X7 card, so if you have a nice cabinet that >> needs a tuner, this would be a good choice- it is powered from a >> separate amp, so it will take some figuring out - not hard, I just >> don't have the time, inclination or need to pursue it. > >Technics...I already pursued it and what to do is pretty straightforward. > >http://greyghost.dyndns.org/tunerhack/ > >Since then I've uncovered the audio outputs and had much better luck with a >beefier AC adapter. I'd say this tuner works reasonably well... > >> here's the link - I expect it to go cheaply > >Your first link to a review seems to point to a much older tuner. > >> I also listed a companion cassette player - looks like a nice unit, >> but who uses cassettes any more - may be useful for parts, or as with >> the tuner, you could use it > >This is much the same story. Probably made by Technics once again, this one >needs 12 volts DC. > >I still use cassettes, and prefer them in abusive environments where my CDs >will not go! >http://greyghost.dyndns.org/2003s10/radio.htm (mostly OT, but hey...) > >William > Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 336965 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 01:34:27 -0700 Message-ID: References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> Brenda Ann wrote: > "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message > news:e8n45702dql@news3.newsguy.com... >> jim rozen wrote: >>> In article >>> , >>> John >>> Byrns says... >>> >>>> The broadcast station or cable channel sends special information >>>> imbedded >>>> in the signal during those times they don't wan the remote to be active. >>> Like I said, 'what if they gave a party and nobody came?' >>> This is just yet one more reason I no longer care to sample >>> the broadcast or cable tv wares. >> This sounds like an urban legend....What would compel TV manufacturers to >> include such a feature in their sets, and who would buy them, knowing the >> feature was there? > > So far they don't appear to be talking about television sets, only DVR's, to > keep people from fast forwarding past the ads. They get away with it based > on recent court decisions on piracy. If Philips actually includes this feature in ANY product, there will be more piracy than they know what to do with......In fact, they are literally begging for piracy to happen. Think about it....There are literally hundreds of recent TV programs available on usenet and Bittorrent sites right now, most if not all with the commercials excised. They are illegal, but only a tiny percentage of viewers ever download these things because it's simpler and more user-friendly to just set the ol' TiVO to automatically record a program, and then watch it later and fast-forward through the ads. (Given that people have been doing this with their VCRs for decades, any legal argument that the practice constitutes piracy is a huge stretch). I think that the compulsory-commercial thing would annoy the hell out of just about everyone, so much so that a great many more people would start to look for alternatives such as hacking the TiVO box or downloading the programs from the internet, legality and copyrights be damned. "Aye matey! I'll be savin' me time watchin' me TV commercial free!...more time to plunder and pillage that way" :-) -Scott Article: 336966 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 19:25:03 +0900 Message-ID: References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <44AF1210.7AD5A7A1@earthlink.net> <1152332666.635872.76590@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Steve Reeves" wrote in message news:1152332666.635872.76590@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Wow what next? Make the commercials part of the TV show so that you > can't tell where the show stops and the ad starts. > Wait that would be like Jello and Lucky Strike in the middle of a Jack > Benny Radio Program or Carnation Milk in a Burns in Allen TV Show. > Texaco/Milton Berle....At least those ads were somewhat entertaining! > Regards, > Steven Reeves > Some companies are working more and more with 'product placement' ads that are integral to the program. A bit different than the Golden Age of TV.. Article: 336967 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: 8 Jul 2006 03:30:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1152354633.824355.73320@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> Syl wrote: > b) parallel a low value resistor across the cartridge's terminals and feed > the mag input. > Idea is to convert from a constant amplitude to a constant velocity type. It > should be > very close to the RIAA curve. Try 4,7 Kohms resistors for a start. > > Syl Could you describe that in a little more detail? I'm having a bit of trouble visualizing just where/how to add these resistors. Do you mean connect a resistor between the hot and ground leads of each channel, or...? Article: 336968 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:47:47 GMT On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 06:23:50 GMT, Tom Adkins wrote: > Any thoughts? First, I think that things are shown to be worse when you count _all_ the crap time -- not just what people normally recognize as ads, but also credits (which are in fact advertisements) without new story. Second, if people were less tolerant of crap time, then the profit-maximizing level of it would be lower. At an extreme, imagine what would happen if people boycotted the advertisers who bought anything beyond the first four minutes of advertising in each half-hour, or refused to watch any program with more than six minutes of crap-time per half hour. Third, deregulation shouldn't be just removal of the regulations that industries _don't_ like. There should be an immediate end to such things as municipal governments guaranteeing local monopolies to cable television companies. Article: 336969 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152354633.824355.73320@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 11:53:01 GMT yes. Across the center and shell connection of the connector. Jeff gerryu21220@gmail.com wrote: > Syl wrote: > > >>b) parallel a low value resistor across the cartridge's terminals and feed >>the mag input. >>Idea is to convert from a constant amplitude to a constant velocity type. It >>should be >>very close to the RIAA curve. Try 4,7 Kohms resistors for a start. >> >>Syl > > > Could you describe that in a little more detail? I'm having a bit of > trouble visualizing just where/how to add these resistors. Do you mean > connect a resistor between the hot and ground leads of each channel, > or...? > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 336970 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap Date: 8 Jul 2006 05:30:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1152361844.616908.127120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In regards to the questions: The capacitor is a newly manufactured device from CE Manufacturing (using old Mallory tooling). These are the new FP type caps sold by AES. To my knowledge, new capacitors working in a power supply, following a full-wave rectifer, should not need forming? I've used this model cap in previous restorations with no problems - I've even run them paralleled as I have been trying to do. I cannot imagine having wired them in reverse - it would be difficult, as the FP can is common ground (confirmed by CE Manufacturing).Only if the cap is seeing a negative voltage long enough to completely discharge and reverse-form the dielectric, could damage result. I have not seen that. I agree that the cap is likely blown. Since my posting, I have recieved another cap from the manufacturer and installed it - thinking that I had likely just recieved a bad cap. This one too hassizzled. Convinced that I must have screwed up the wiring, I traced itout, comparing it to the orignal schematic. No problems there. I measured the voltages on the caps themselves during operation - one section seems to work fine (on the rectifier side of the power supply), and the other is the one that fails (towards the load). Even eliminating nearly all the loads (removing tubes) does not seem to help the issue. I suspect that either I have some wiring issue that I have failed to find, that running the capacitor in the particular parallel combination I have been doing cuases some internal fault in the cap, or I have been very unluckly with caps. I'm going to try installing individual caps for the two 40uF sections, and see what happens. Already have lost ~60 bucks on fried multisection caps. I think that in the future I'm going to install an multisection with 2 40uF sections, and just run them singly (no parallel combinations). Thanks for the help, guys. David Goncalves Article: 336971 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44AF97B6.80C22345@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:32:31 GMT On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:32:24 GMT, Michael A. Terrell wrote: > So, how many cable TV companies do you want on your street? I want as many as a _market_ would offer, as opposed to no more than a state bureaucracy will allow. > How > often do you want to see crews replacing the utility poles with taller > ones so they can add new systems (three feet minimum between services > provided by different companies) or digging up the right of way, and how > much land do you want to give up to the city or county for public right > of way? Rather than _any_ of that, I'd like to see the most proximate infrastructure owned by neighbor associations, with charters requiring them to keep such structure accessible to various service providers. I have, by the way, lived in a sizeable neighborhood where there was no "public" right-of-way, but a service provider systematically acquired permissions in order to wire up the community. (If the owner of any one lot refused to grant permission, they were prepared to simply route around it.) (Don't ask fulminating compounding questions on the presumption that you've got a list of unanswerables and are thus entitled to use such a structure.) > The less > customers per mile, system wide, raises the operating costs to the point > that systems are turned off and abandoned. Indeed, in any industry, there is a limit to how many firms can survive ina relevant region. In some industries, that limit may be one. But if that's the natural limit, then there is _no_need_ for municipal regulation to keep out other firms. Indeed, even in cases where only one firm can (successfully) occupy a given space at a given time, _contestability_ remains an important check on the behavior of a firm. In the case of something such as cable television service, this is especially easy to see at the territorial boundaries. If one provider can eat away at those at its boundaries, and they can eat at its boundaries, then they have an incentive to _compete_. > Several cities tried having > two systems in the past, and only one survived. Having bureaucrats pre-plan the process of competition obviously wasn't a good idea; but -- also _obviously_ -- wasn't the same thing as having a deregulated _market_. > BTW, the CATV company has to pay the local government > that owns the right of way a monthly fee for every foot of cable they > build in the right of way. Indeed, there is part of the real explanation of the granting of monopolies. Municipal governments can realize more revenues if they can charge higher prices, which they can if they are leasing a monopoly right. > I left the CATV business in 1986 when it cost US $18,000 a mile to > build the trunkline (near Cincinnati, Ohio), plus the costs of the > feeders, bridging amplifiers, line extenders and line taps. Using that and other data, we might be able to ball-park the optimal size of a firm in 1986. Such approximation wouldn't tell us a whole lot relevant to the rest of discussion here. We'd also have to look at the extent to which up-stream prices for these pieces of infrastructure were _reflections_, rather _causes_ of the price of service. (Market prices of the means of production are determined by the values of their most-valued products.) > You already > have the option of two digital KU band sat services across the US and > maybe C-band, if you can get a clear shot of the birds you want. Any good or service competes with every other good or service, and various goods and services are meaningfully similar in what they deliver to what cable delivers. That fact doesn't make artificial constraints on the supply of any of them a good idea. > If it > made sense, the local governments would grant franchises to every > company that wanted to build in their jurisdiction. Politicians and bureaucrats do what "makes sense" from the perspectives of their own interests. These interest do not generally correspond to the things that would "make sense" from the perspectives of the interests of the rest of us. Article: 336972 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:37:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap From: John Stone Message-ID: References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1152361844.616908.127120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 7/8/06 7:30 AM, in article 1152361844.616908.127120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > I suspect that either I have some wiring issue that I have failed to > find, that running the capacitor in the particular parallel combination > I have been doing cuases some internal fault in the cap, or I have been > very unluckly with caps. > Given this is a transmitter, is it possible that some large amount of RF is present at that capacitor section? Electrolytics have fairly high ESR at RF frequencies. Perhaps a shorted choke? Article: 336973 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:24:48 GMT This is NONSENSE, NONSENSE, NONSENSE! Oh, it's possible someone might sue someone else, get it into court, and next thing you know the new recording devices will be built so as to force you to watch the commercials, but the entire idea is still NONSENSE! Just what exactly are commercials? They are ads which pay for the programming. By the time you see the ad it's already paid for, so not a single penny of revenue is lost if someone doesn't watch it. Such ads are (usually) beneficial to the public, as it brings an awareness of the products that are available -- features, pricing, etc. So, at least to a degree, the ads are a beneficial thing. Now: suppose an advertiser brings up a concern to the TV station, saying that its exposure will be diminished because viewers will be watching via some recording device, be it TiVo, DVD, VCR, or whatever, and may skip through the ads in order to watch the program. It is then up to the TV station to prove that they still have a tremendous viewing audience that will indeed see the ads and respond accordingly -- which is absolutely true. As for the concept of forcing viewers to watch a commercial by dasabling the TV/VCR controls, this will actually become counterproductive. Parents will think twice about letting the kids watch prime time TV, not because of the program content but because they will be forced to watch stories of "BOB, who is happy because he took some sex stimulant" or similar crap. Others will shy away from network television and migrate to the pay channels, as they have already done to some degree. In other words, programs which force us to watch the commercials will have a negative impact on the size of its viewing audience. As for me, and most of the viewing public, we generally hit the remote as soon as we realize there's an ad on that we don't care to see. After all, we have seen the Coca-Cola ad 15,000 times already, and unless you're hiding under a rock you're quite familiar with the product, and if you're thirsty, no doubt you will go to the refrigerator and get one. So what could possibly be missed by a viewer who fast-forwards through a Coke ad? On the other hand, if Chrysler unveils a new sports car that you're interested in, you might want to let the ad play so you can take a look at it. In other words, interested consumers will still benefit from the ads being there. If the ad-skipping practice should ever be proven to reduce sales, the problem can be easily dealt with by adding a little ingenuity -- not by forcing technology on the hardware, but by improving the programming. In the early days of television, it was ruled that any advertiser -- not just the show's main sponsor -- could place spots during the course of the show. This, plus scandals such as the game show debacle which eliminated sponsor logos from the set, created a scenario for TV that is much different from radio. In the radio days, Harlow Wilcox would visit the McGees and make a few comments about Johnson Wax. Jack Benny would listen the quartet singing about Lucky Strikes. Bing Crosby would tell us about the new Philco products. However with modern television the ads are totally separated from the programs -- and you have to sit through 10-11-12 annoying ads to get to the program itself. If these ads were better incorporated into the program, or better scheduled, or simply less annoying, there would be fewer "skips". It's just another example of industry refusing to change with the marketplace -- take it to court rather than adapt. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com wrote in message news:5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net... > www.tvpredictions.com > > Invent a device which will allow ad skipping regardless,and put it on > the market and you just might have a real money maker there. > cuhulin > Article: 336974 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 06:27:30 -0700 Message-ID: >> Nope. If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely >> flat amplitude response, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved >> downward about 12dB on RIAA recordings. > You say nope (generalizing), then introduce an IF...Prove to me > that it doesn't work and why. Supply more than one crystal or > ceramic cartridge model and make that is designed to have a > "genuinely flat amplitude response" with data, references and > under which conditions the crystal or ceramic cartridge has > been spec'ed. You took what I wrote quite out of context. What I wrote is correct, but it might have been clarified: "If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely flat amplitude response for a constant-amplitude stimulus, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved downward about 12dB on RIAA recordings." You're confusing the output of the pickup with a recording having a particular EQ, with the inherent behavior of the pickup itself. LPs are usually cut with velocity-sensitive cutting heads. If a "constant-velocity" disk is played with a magnetic pickup, the pickup's output is flat. No EQ is needed. There's a number of practical problems, however, with cutting LPs "constant-velocity". For one thing, it produces very large LF groove excursions, and very small HF excursions. The former is not good for playing time or trackability, the latter is not good for HF S/N ratio. Another problem is that such disks can't be easily played with cheap constant-amplitude pickups, which traditionally represented the overwhelming bulk of record-playing transducers. So a recording that's closer to constant-amplitude is needed. The "correct" way to do this would be to apply a 6dB/8ve boost across the entire spectrum, starting at around 50Hz. Unfortunately, this would require ~53dB of EQ at 20kHz, quite a bit at both the recording and playback ends. The practical solution was to not apply the EQ in the midrange. For RIAA EQ, this is the region between 500 Hz and 2300 Hz (70us). Frequencies from 50 Hz to 500 Hz, and 2300 Hz to 20 kHz are cut constant-amplitude. Frequencies outside these bands are cut constant-velocity. The fly in this ointment is playback with a constant-amplitude device, because it produces a 6db/8ve rolloff above 500 Hz, eventually shelving at about 12dB down above 2300 Hz. Phonograph manufacturers often ignored this, as it gave a mellower sound, which most listeners preferred. * A pickup with a flat amplitude response produces this shelving effect, because the recording itself -- with respect to amplitude -- is not flat. If a company such as Sonotone is trying to reproduce the recording accurately, some form of EQ above 500Hz is needed. This is usually applied mechanically. The Sonotone equalizer presumably provides a sufficiently high load impedance to avoid bass loss, and electrical EQ to remove the mechanical boost. The pickup's output should then work properly with a maganetic input. > Nope, if the cartridge had "a genuinely flat amplitude response", > then using a small value resistor in the way Syl described would > give perfectly flat response through a magnetic phono input, > assuming the equalization on the magnetic phono input was > accurate. If the cartridge had some mechanical equalization, > then the response would be raised above 2kHz, starting around > 500 Hz. Absolutely correct, but that wasn't what I was talking about -- which was what happens when you play an RIAA disk with a "genuinely flat" amplitude device. * This is the purported reason Command's pop recordings boosted the treble. See the Popular Electronics article, ca 1960. Article: 336975 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <903ua21bo5fhnqsu1ohvguqankccbv98df@4ax.com> Subject: Re: for those who may want to put a modern tuner into something Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 06:28:56 -0700 Message-ID: Don't you have a conventional audio system you can connect this tuner to? Heck, even the phono input on a table radio would work, one channel at a time! Article: 336976 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152239504.213202.36920@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1152333908.442172.280160@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: REL Precedent Tuner on Ebay Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 06:36:50 -0700 Message-ID: > William Sommerwerck wrote: >> Note that the poster is also the seller. >> I'm surprised the gentleman doesn't have the minuscule bit of knowledge >> needed to connect it to an antenna and hi-fi system to see if it works. > William, > Didn't you just post a message where you said "I suspect both > these work -- they were handed to me (here, get rid of these for > me) without the amp -- probably the amp failed or got lost > leaving these behind -- but they are untested." No, I did not. I've been involved in consumer electronics for almost 50 years, and I know how to check out just about anything electronic. Ditto for most things photographic. I don't remember ever having sold an item I was unable to test. But I've never sold anything that wasn't my own property. A person who "buys them up at auction lots with other odds and ends" may not have the knowledge or experience to test everything he comes across. Nevertheless, if you're regularly selling audio equipment, you should know the basics of testing it. If nothing else, you're hurting your own profits, because people aren't going to bid as much for an untested item, "money back if not delighted" notwithstanding. Article: 336977 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44AF97B6.80C22345@earthlink.net> <44AFAA3F.D8892477@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:40:51 GMT On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:51:29 GMT, Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Since you already know everything, I will not waste my time on your > misconcetions and lies. PLONK That's a very sad substitute for any sort of systematic refutation. But I guess you can't deliver what you haven't got. Article: 336978 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" Subject: Sonotone "Velocitone" schematic Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 07:02:48 -0700 Message-ID: <5vidnSPamKOCJjLZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com> I've posted the schmatic to alt.binariess.pictures.radio. I'm trying to figure out exactly what the circuits do, as they seem a bit backwards. Article: 336979 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Whoever Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:10:43 GMT Tom Biasi wrote: > "Ken G." wrote in message > news:12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net... >> I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug >> the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run >> cordless . >> > What Brian is saying Ken is that there is no such thing. > Tom > > If the dude hasn't figured that out, any chance I could offer him some ocean-front property in Wyoming? Article: 336980 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DumpsterDiver" Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Date: 8 Jul 2006 07:16:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1152368173.626198.186890@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Don't know Sarasota, but the game is the same here in NJ, especially in smaller towns. It's a MAJOR source of revenue for the local municipal treasuries ... approaching 35% in the most notorious ones. If you go to court without a lawyer, you have next to zero chance of winning, and, of course, a lawyer will cost you more than the value of the ticket. Even worse than the up-front cost of the fines are the "points" on your license and the insurance surcharges they bring. Here in NJ, a ticket like that will cost you at least $500 in surcharges over the following 3 years. Mainly because of the insurance issues, the courts around here were getting really clogged with folks contesting these tickets. So they have established a new "plea bargain" strategy. You go to court and they let you plead guilty to a different "violation" with a higher fine but no "points" on your license. At a recent court session I attended, at least half the cases were resolved in this way. Every couple of years, one of the newspapers will run an espose on the practice of "ticket quotas", "revenue targets", etc., complete with a list of the worst towns and the percentages of their budgets derived >from traffic fines. The same towns are always on the list, so I guess it's like they say about the weather: you can complain about it but you can't do anything about it. DD Article: 336981 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: REL Precedent Tuner on Ebay Date: 8 Jul 2006 08:52:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1152373961.399777.200560@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152239504.213202.36920@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Sorry Mr Sommerwerck I got my Williams mix up. A noble (pun intended) Mistake. if both post "had" been from the same poster it would have been the kettle and pot thing. Gosh people are gonna start cunfusing me with the other Steve (skippy) for my stupid goof. Sorry and thanks for correcting me. Steven Reeves William Sommerwerck wrote: > > William Sommerwerck wrote: > >> Note that the poster is also the seller. > > >> I'm surprised the gentleman doesn't have the minuscule bit of knowledge > >> needed to connect it to an antenna and hi-fi system to see if it works. > > > William, > > Didn't you just post a message where you said "I suspect both > > these work -- they were handed to me (here, get rid of these for > > me) without the amp -- probably the amp failed or got lost > > leaving these behind -- but they are untested." > > No, I did not. I've been involved in consumer electronics for almost 50 > years, and I know how to check out just about anything electronic. Ditto for > most things photographic. > > I don't remember ever having sold an item I was unable to test. But I've > never sold anything that wasn't my own property. A person who "buys them up > at auction lots with other odds and ends" may not have the knowledge or > experience to test everything he comes across. > > Nevertheless, if you're regularly selling audio equipment, you should know > the basics of testing it. If nothing else, you're hurting your own profits, > because people aren't going to bid as much for an untested item, "money back > if not delighted" notwithstanding. Article: 336982 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:56:31 GMT Ken G. wrote: > I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug > the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run > cordless . > Ken - All the kidding notwithstanding, and assuming you are serious and not trolling, you have to provide a little more detail. First, how much power will the radio consume? A small transistor radio wouldn't be too hard. A big Zenith console would be a lot harder. Almost all tube radios will be difficult - but to get back to the question, how many watts? Second, what is the minimum distance between the radio and the "power transmitter" that you will accept? A foot is probably do-able. Fifty feet is much harder. Third, do you have a maximum acceptable size on the power transmitter's antenna? Fourth, do you expect the radio to operate directly, in real time, from this power source? Or can the radio operate from a battery, which can be recharged "cordlessly" during the off hours? Bill Article: 336983 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:00:39 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44AFD6A7-256@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152368173.626198.186890@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I pay $165.00 every six months to American Automobile Insurance Agency office on Highway 80 here in Jackson,Mississippi for the bare minimum liability insurance on my raggity old 1978 Dodge van.I keep the card in my wallet and my insurance policy in the glove compartment of my van.Nobody ever rides in my van exept me.I dont like new vehicles that cost soooooo much money for license plates/tags and insurance.I like my old wrecks I already know how to work on and keep them running. cuhulin Article: 336984 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 11:12:11 -0500 From: Bill Cohn Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1152361844.616908.127120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Dave wrote: > In regards to the questions: > > The capacitor is a newly manufactured device from CE Manufacturing > (using old Mallory tooling). These are the new FP type caps sold by > AES. > > To my knowledge, new capacitors working in a power supply, following a > full-wave rectifer, should not need forming? I've used this model cap > in previous restorations with no problems - I've even run them > paralleled as I have been trying to do. > > I cannot imagine having wired them in reverse - it would be difficult, > as the FP can is common ground (confirmed by CE Manufacturing).Only if > the cap is seeing a negative voltage long enough to completely > discharge and reverse-form the dielectric, could damage result. I have > not seen that. > > I agree that the cap is likely blown. Since my posting, I have recieved > another cap from the manufacturer and installed it - thinking that I > had likely just recieved a bad cap. This one too hassizzled. Convinced > that I must have screwed up the wiring, I traced itout, comparing it to > the orignal schematic. No problems there. I > measured the voltages on the caps themselves during operation - one > section seems to work fine (on the rectifier side of the power supply), > and the other is the one that fails (towards the load). Even > eliminating nearly all the loads (removing tubes) does not seem to help > the issue. > > I suspect that either I have some wiring issue that I have failed to > find, that running the capacitor in the particular parallel combination > I have been doing cuases some internal fault in the cap, or I have been > very unluckly with caps. > > I'm going to try installing individual caps for the two 40uF sections, > and see what happens. Already have lost ~60 bucks on fried multisection > caps. I think that in the future I'm going to install an multisection > with 2 40uF sections, and just run them singly (no parallel > combinations). > > Thanks for the help, guys. > > David Goncalves > Dave, According to the schematic of the T150 transmitter This power supply is voltage doubler. The dual 40 MFD capacitors are indeed connect to a common ground and there is a doubler capacitor, C46 that floats from CR2 to the transformer cold side. Are the two rectifier diodes good and installed correctly? Cr-1 and C46 make up the doubler. I have restored one of these in the past and have not had a probelm. Regards, Bill Cohn - N9MHT Article: 336985 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:07:42 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44AFD84E-257@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152368173.626198.186890@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Look at a Rand McNally road atlas.There are only one or two roads (I think) into and out of New Jersey (I am not picking on the great State of New Jersey www.hometownfreepress.com New Jersey) that are not toll roads.There was a guy in the 114th Aviation Company www.114thaviationcompany.com with me in Vietnam in 1964.He is originally from New Jersey and he once said when he left New Jersey he never looked back.He is a General at Army.Mil now. cuhulin Article: 336986 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:40:08 -0400 Evidently Public Radio NOR Public TV is makeing enough money with their present format. I've noticed both are sounding a lot like AM radio in their ads. Ken Beloved Leader wrote: > Another one bites the dust. Someday, iPods will be antiques. > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060707-7206.html > > ******************* > Technology forces Chicago radio station to confront change > 7/7/2006 9:47:32 AM, by Peter Pollack > > You can add radio to the list of media that will be facing new > challenges for survival in the face of new technology. For years, WBEZ > Chicago Public Radio has been a major home for jazz programming in that > city, with a full one-third of its weekday schedule devoted to music, > along with a bevy of music shows on the weekend. Next year, that era > will be coming to an end, as the station makes the switch to an a > news/talk/public affairs format. That change is in response to-among > other factors-altered listening habits as WBEZ's music audience > shifts to satellite radio and portable music players like the iPod. > > To be sure, not everyone is happy with the planned changes, and a > petition site has even been set up by listeners to protest WBEZ's new > focus. The station's shift leaves the third-largest US market filled > with little more than a collection of cookie-cutter music outlets owned > by corporate giants like Clear Channel, Infinity, and Bonneville. One > rare exception is WFMT, which plays mostly classical and is itself a > subsidiary of one of the local public television stations. > *********** > > Reuters: > http://today.reuters.com/stocks/QuoteCompanyNewsArticle.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-07-06T120050Z_01_N30272704_RTRIDST_0_LEISURE-RADIO-GENERAL-FEATURE.XML&rpc=66 > or > http://tinyurl.com/zh9hs > > **************** > FEATURE-Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod > > By Deborah Cohen > > CHICAGO, July 6 (Reuters) - The iPod and a growing need for local news > have done the unthinkable: They have cost Chicago, one of America's > great jazz cities, its last major source for jazz programming on local > radio. > > WBEZ, Chicago's National Public Radio (NPR) member station and among > the oldest public radio outlets in the United States, has decided to > scrap scheduled music programming -- the bulk of which was nightly jazz > -- and move to a 24-hour news and public affairs format. > **************** > Article: 336987 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152239504.213202.36920@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1152333908.442172.280160@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1152373961.399777.200560@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: REL Precedent Tuner on Ebay Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 09:54:38 -0700 Message-ID: > Sorry Mr Sommerwerck I got my Williams mix up. A noble (pun > intended) Mistake. > if both post "had" been from the same poster it would have been the > kettle and pot thing. > Gosh people are gonna start cunfusing me with the other Steve (skippy) > for my stupid goof. > Sorry and thanks for correcting me. No problem. Notrhing to apologize for. Everyone makes mistakes. Heck, I thought you were the body builder. Article: 336988 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Date: 8 Jul 2006 10:00:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1152378045.618247.72390@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Another reason to get Satellite Radio in your home and car. Whine if you want about the twelve dollars per month subscription fee but I can tell you it's worth it if you rely on and listen to radio for more than an hour per day. GB Article: 336989 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: lerner@ka.net Subject: Re: Charging batteries lerner@ka.net Date: 8 Jul 2006 10:50:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1152381041.277663.114780@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: philo wrote: > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:THXqg.20593$Ap2.15531@trnddc03... > > What I'm trying to do is NOT be harsh to the battery. > > > > On the side it says 12 volts. I measured 12.3 volts, but then it's not > > charged. Is it 12.6? 13.2? 13.8? I can only find out after charging > it. > > > With *no* surface charge...a fully charged lead-acid battery is 12.7 v > with 12.0 being discharged. > > > while a wet cell can go up to 15 volts on charge > > a gel cell should not charge higher than 13.9v or so I wish there were something made that would fully discharge batteries fast so they could get a good charge. BTW Lafayette never had any stores in the Louisville area, but I too used to > drool over the stuff in the catalog. Does anyone remember the Olson stores? > We had one here in the late sixties on into the seventies, but as I recall, > it was just like an electronics parts Big Lots. Mostly junk, closeout stuff, > overstock parts etc. By 1977 they were gone./ > Regards, > Tom I shopped at those places. Lafayette had a Louisville store and Olson had a repair person that nobody knew it they were a man or lady. She I guess was strange but knew her stuff. I had a Olson receiver and my friend bought lots of Lafayette stuff. Article: 336990 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philsvintageradios" Subject: Canadian Radio Forum Date: 8 Jul 2006 11:04:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1152381857.423230.186460@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I am on the west coast of Canada (Vancouver BC) In the past few years I have been quite involved with the Canadian Vintage Radio Society. http://canadianvintageradio.com/ Our club is spread out across Canada, It has been going for a number of years and like many other clubs, we are faced with the challenge of keeping the club alive with many of the members growing older. The other challenge we face is the fact that our society, being spread over thousands of miles, can't get together to make decisions as a group. Instead we have several groups in various provinces , some more active than others, each group more or less acting on their own. We do have a publication, and because many members are not near a major city, the only involvement many have is through the newsletter. In an attempt to Improve communications amongst the society, I have created a forum for the club. This has been somewhat of a challenge, with spam machines signing themselves on as members, but it does seem to be working and it does serve a purpose particularily for buying and selling parts and for exchanging information about Canadian radios which are often unique. I have not stipulated that anyone must be a CVRS member to participate in the forum, anyone is welcome to post if they have an interest in Canadian radios. If you feel you would like to participate in this forum feel free to sign up. Please tell us a little about yourself in your profile. Note: I have been faced with the challenge of deleting many "members" which have been created by spam machines, which have the ability to sign themselves up. In order to prevent you from being accidentally deleted, please include at minimum, your province, state or country, and list a few radios which you have an interest in. I have been a fairly active reader of the RARP group and I have no intention to make the CVRS forum the biggest or most widely used forum, It is not there to compete with the other online forums. It was created in an attempt to bring better communications to our society, and to provide a place for questions and answers about Canadian radios. I still read RARP on a fairly regular basis and enjoy it thoroughly. Thanks to all, the CVRS forum can be accessed at: http://www.canadianvintageradio.com/phpBB/index.php Thanks, Phil M. Article: 336991 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:16:37 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> In article , "William Sommerwerck" wrote: > >> Nope. If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely > >> flat amplitude response, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved > >> downward about 12dB on RIAA recordings. > > > You say nope (generalizing), then introduce an IF...Prove to me > > that it doesn't work and why. Supply more than one crystal or > > ceramic cartridge model and make that is designed to have a > > "genuinely flat amplitude response" with data, references and > > under which conditions the crystal or ceramic cartridge has > > been spec'ed. > > You took what I wrote quite out of context. What I wrote is correct, but it > might have been clarified: "If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have > a genuinely flat amplitude response for a constant-amplitude stimulus, > frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved downward about 12dB on RIAA > recordings." You're confusing the output of the pickup with a recording > having a particular EQ, with the inherent behavior of the pickup itself. Actually it appears that you are the one that took what Syl said out of context, if you check back through the thread you will see that your reply was to the following comment made by Syl: "b) parallel a low value resistor across the cartridge's terminals and feed the mag input. Idea is to convert from a constant amplitude to a constant velocity type. It should be very close to the RIAA curve. Try 4,7 Kohms resistors for a start." To this you replied: "Nope. If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely flat amplitude response, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved downward about 12dB on RIAA recordings." When Syl's comment is taken in its original context it becomes clear that what you wrote is in error. Depending on the degree of mechanical equalization incorporated in the ceramic cartridge, the overall response will either be flat as Syl stated, or the highs will be boosted as a result the mechanical equalization incorporated in the cartridge, in no case will there be a downward shelving effect above 2 kHz as you claim. > > Nope, if the cartridge had "a genuinely flat amplitude response", > > then using a small value resistor in the way Syl described would > > give perfectly flat response through a magnetic phono input, > > assuming the equalization on the magnetic phono input was > > accurate. If the cartridge had some mechanical equalization, > > then the response would be raised above 2kHz, starting around > > 500 Hz. > > Absolutely correct, but that wasn't what I was talking about -- which was > what happens when you play an RIAA disk with a "genuinely flat" amplitude > device. Yes it was what you were talking about, go back and see exactly which of Syl's comments you were replying to! You quoted a fragment of Syl's comment in your original reply, so there can be little doubt about which of his comments you were referring to. I am surprised that a professional writer gets this confused in his writing, or do I have it all wrong and an ability to confuse issues is the stock in trade of professional writers? Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 336992 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <44AF97B6.80C22345@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:19:54 GMT Hi! > So, how many cable TV companies do you want on your street? Why would this be necessary? The deregulation I'm familiar with does not require each company to have their own lines in the area. For example, I don't have to buy phone service >from the "local" telephone company. If I choose to buy phone service elsewhere, the company I bought service from isn't going to run all their own lines into the area. The change is made in a switching office under (I guess) software control. All I have to do is tell the phone company who I bought service from. I've been told I could do the same with other services, like natural gas. I haven't examined that option. > I've got my DD214 to prove it. Since I'm replying to your post, I might as well ask. What is that? William Article: 336993 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:17:40 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: Sonotone "Velocitone" schematic Message-ID: References: <5vidnSPamKOCJjLZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com> In article <5vidnSPamKOCJjLZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: > I've posted the schmatic to alt.binariess.pictures.radio. I'm trying to > figure out exactly what the circuits do, as they seem a bit backwards. The first network shown, the one "for ceramic input" does not appear to be "backwards", it appears to me to be one of several standard network topologies used to equalize the bass response of a ceramic cartridge when the load resistance is too low for good bass response. The problem is that ceramic cartridges require an 8 digit load resistance, not 7 digits, if extended bass response is desired. It would be helpful if we knew what the capacity of Sonotone's "Velocitone" cartridge was, as that determines the load/network required for good low frequency response. Presumably Roger Russel also has the spec. sheet for the "Velocitone" cartridge which should include the cartridge capacity. The operation of the network "for magnetic input" is less obvious, but it probably would become obvious with the answers to the following two questions, in addition to the one posed above about the capacity of the cartridge. First, the network schematics are printed over a frequency response graph, the question is for which network/input is this the overall response curve, it is hard to believe that the networks are so exact that the response curves would lay exactly on top of one another? Second it would be helpful to have a raw response curve for the bare cartridge into an infinite load impedance without any networks connected at all. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 336994 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Frank Dresser" References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:45:35 GMT "Beloved Leader" wrote in message news:1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > Another one bites the dust. Someday, iPods will be antiques. > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060707-7206.html > > ******************* > Technology forces Chicago radio station to confront change > 7/7/2006 9:47:32 AM, by Peter Pollack > > You can add radio to the list of media that will be facing new > challenges for survival in the face of new technology. For years, WBEZ > Chicago Public Radio has been a major home for jazz programming in that > city, with a full one-third of its weekday schedule devoted to music, > along with a bevy of music shows on the weekend. WBEZ is public radio news/talk on the daytime peak listening hours. It broadcasts jazz during the off-hours. > Next year, that era > will be coming to an end, as the station makes the switch to an a > news/talk/public affairs format. That change is in response to-among > other factors-altered listening habits as WBEZ's music audience > shifts to satellite radio and portable music players like the iPod. Or maybe they're just trying to attract a consistant audience for the station. The mixed news-talk/music format disappeared from most of the rest of radio well before the iPod era. > > To be sure, not everyone is happy with the planned changes, and a > petition site has even been set up by listeners to protest WBEZ's new > focus. The station's shift leaves the third-largest US market filled > with little more than a collection of cookie-cutter music outlets owned > by corporate giants like Clear Channel, Infinity, and Bonneville. The phrase "little more than a collection of cookie-cutter music outlets" doesn't take into account the music heard on Chicago's ethnic/brokered stations. Nor does it account for the large amount of music heard on the college stations. One of the college stations covers a large part of WBEZ's area and broadcasts little but music -- nearly all jazz but also classical and folk -- 24 hours a day. And the big networks are doing a better job with music formats and playlists than they were doing even five years ago. > One > rare exception is WFMT, which plays mostly classical and is itself a > subsidiary of one of the local public television stations. > *********** > Article: 336995 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 11:59:24 -0700 Message-ID: <5100b294jc09u79q1sg6vg5cpk06tbte35@4ax.com> References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:05:36 GMT, "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," wrote: >On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:29:48 GMT, DeserTBoB wrote: >If the resources had _instead_ been spent on _biological_ research, then we'd now know biological things that we never knew before. If the resources had _instead_ been spent on feeding people, then people would now be alive who are instead dead. If the resouces had _instead- been left in the market economy, then future over-all levels of production (which could fund research, feeding people, or whatever) would have been greater than they will be. Again, we have finite resources to allocate across competing uses. What made Hubble the right investment when it was made? Stop wiggling your butt and think. Better thinkers than you (Einstein, for example) would have enthusiasticly said "yes." By the way, a certain bit of biological research that is in demand by the people and is doable and fungible now these days has been blocked by a dildo masquerading as a president. From babushka{AT}dom{DOT}com Thu Jul 13 01:39:39 EDT 2006 Article: 336996 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:01:43 -0500 From: "Bob" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: More Selectivity? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:01:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.162.7.235 X-Trace: sv3-B941CdL4qfPlLsKOGT26nbNN2n31oy332b6g5ot7UyEmaKeS+lgmstyg9KSE5pzmDWItIzbtNTK0U7r!+9rlBOt5kxkXAmUSBbdUwEsrZ2hpvc/9/PQsHO9XP/PsMh7Q4rn4knFpNHDaTWeXFRFBMD8lDdky!4V5X0O0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!bcklog1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:336996 Is there anyway to make a radio have better selectivity? Why would the same manufacture make one radio "so so" and then another model "hot", with all kinds of selectivity and sensitivity? The the difference in the design or the parts that are used? Article: 336997 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:05:26 -0700 Message-ID: >> Absolutely correct, but that wasn't what I was talking about -- >> which was what happens when you play an RIAA disk with >> a "genuinely flat" amplitude device. > Yes it was what you were talking about, go back and see exactly which of > Syl's comments you were replying to! You quoted a fragment of Syl's > comment in your original reply, so there can be little doubt about which > of his comments you were referring to. I am surprised that a professional > writer gets this confused in his writing, or do I have it all wrong and an > ability to confuse issues is the stock in trade of professional writers? I'm going to ignore that (and I don't mean that humorously). Simply hanging a low-value resistor across a ceramic pickup -- most of which _were_ designed for a fairly flat output from an RIAA LP -- will make the pickup's response rise at 6dB (because you know have, in effect, a high-pass filter with the corner at the upper end of the audio band), but it will not produce the equivalent of a constant-velocity _signal_, from the LP, because the pickup still has the built-in mechanical boost. That has to be compensated for. Which is exactly the point I was getting at -- from the other direction. Article: 336998 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:04:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 02:27:53 +0000 (UTC), Tim Mullen wrote: > The director of the Super Collider that had been planned for Waxahachie, >Texas, bitterly complained of the project cancellation by Congress as "The >revenge of the C students." Of course this won him no new friends on >Capitol Hill. > > But he was right. It's an unfortunate state of affairs that few people >people really understand how science works. Congress, and the general >public, often feel funding should go to those who claim "We're going to >cure cancer." Pure research doesn't work that way. Engineering does, >but not research. Exactly. The Super Collider was indeed the "revenge of the C students." George Bush is the "revenge of high school dropouts." > > There has never been a fundamental new discovery in science that didn't >come straight out of left field. It's famously been said that had Proxmire >been around in the twenties he'd have given a Golden Fleece award to Fleming >for wasting the taxpayers' money by studying molds. > I support the space program because it's one of the few places left >where pie-in-the-sky ideas can be persued. Of course there has to be >limits, and everything's a trade-off. But civilization needs those people >who make it their life obsession to understand why the inside of a >lightbulb darkens. It might be cheaper to just throw the bulbs away, >but if you fund that guy he just might invent the radio tube. Exactly. Nothing in Science happens by design. It's usually the happy collision of existing data and knowledge with a "fortunate accident" that brings the big rewards. Example: GE's "Lexan®" in 1954 was produced by a clumsy chemist accidently mixing two resin compounds by toppling a beaker. Many similar "accidents" happened at DuPont and others, as well as at universities all over the world. From babushka{AT}dom{DOT}com Thu Jul 13 01:39:39 EDT 2006 Article: 336999 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:03:20 -0500 From: "Bob" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: More sensitivity? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:03:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.162.7.235 X-Trace: sv3-KoMku9zEw9izO198mKmmnjpdzjfRC8k3ghO72C7y11Z/9IkhQY0EmWkuHdOp8IRR7L+EaVkmwO7ud39!lrtfn98I5vDc2gujGLUEzCdRhSWkJ63EZ0RK7O2zb1pwq3QXyAxRVBnrFuKtzpiBD/P2veLgOVmM!hVAmgP4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!bcklog1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:336999 Is there anyway to make a radio have better selectivity? Why would the same manufacture make one radio "so so" and then another model "hot", with all kinds of selectivity and sensitivity? Is the difference in the design or the parts that are used? Article: 337000 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <5vidnSPamKOCJjLZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Sonotone "Velocitone" schematic Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:19:55 -0700 Message-ID: > The operation of the network "for magnetic input" is less obvious, but it > probably would become obvious with the answers to the following two > questions, in addition to the one posed above about the capacity of the > cartridge. First, the network schematics are printed over a frequency > response graph, the question is for which network/input is this the > overall response curve, it is hard to believe that the networks are so > exact that the response curves would lay exactly on top of one another? > Second it would be helpful to have a raw response curve for the bare > cartridge into an infinite load impedance without any networks connected > at all. What confuses me about the "magnetic" input is this... A ceramic pickup can be modeled essentially as an ideal voltage source feeding a series capacitor (the element's capacitance). It and the load resistance form a high-pass filter. If the load resistane is low enough to put that corner at 10kHz or higher, the effect will be for the sigal to rise at 6dB/8ve over the audio band -- in other words, the close-equivalent of a velocity device. So far, so good. The parallel 500pF cap causes the effective load resistance to begin declining above 4kHz or so. The effect would be to move the high-pass corner frequency higher, thus increasing the attenuation at higher frequencies -- which is what we want to compensate for the mechanically generated rise in the pickup's response. So I guess it isn't as confusing as it seems. It's normal for the L and R outputs of any pickup to vary in level and frequency response. Article: 337001 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:15:37 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:23:50 -0400, Tom Adkins wrote: > Maybe I can swing this toward On Topic because I've noticed that the AM band that I >listen to on my antique radios is about 50% commercials during any given time period. > The issue on the other thread was about not skiping commercials on DVR. > I was a youngster in the 70s when cable TV came on the scene and we never had it >when i was growing up. I seem to remember that one of the big selling points was "You >pay x.xx per month and you get continuous programming with no commercial >interruption. The fee was supposed to offset the advertisements. Wow, TV with no >commercials. > I've now had cable for a few years and have noticed that, on many channels, >commercial time now surpasses any that I can remember on broadcast TV. I've never >actually timed it, but I would be willing to say thet it is nearly a 50-50 split In most time slots, the current ratio for both cable and broadcast TV is 33%...expect around 40 minutes of "programming" with 20 minutes of "crap"...commercials, self promotion, and the like. This is up 8% >from the late '70s, when the maximum any network would allow was 25%, and even that was under criticism. The reason no one watches network news anymore ISN'T the quality of the journalism (although local news in major markets is quite without much substance anymore)...it's because the ratio goes up to around 50%. I think Bob Shieffer says "We'll be right back..." more than anything else these days. I haven't timed it, but the commercial load on network and local news is perilously close to 50%. Perhaps that's why PBS's Jim Lehrer is gaining market share in almost all major markets. AM radio's even worse. With market share falling, the right wing talk mavens are cramming even more commercial load into their "shows" to compensate for lower card values. FM's not far behind either, unless there's a ratings sweep going on, during which they'll dump commercials for "much more music" promotions. But what pisses me off the most is PBS and NPR...with the new Republican in charge, they're carrying "real" commercials now. Yet another form of "corporate welfare" from the Bushies...at taxpayer expense! Article: 337002 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:29:41 -0700 Message-ID: References: <44AF97B6.80C22345@earthlink.net> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:19:54 GMT, "William R. Walsh" wrote: >The deregulation I'm familiar with does not require each company to have >their own lines in the area. For example, I don't have to buy phone service >from the "local" telephone company. If I choose to buy phone service >elsewhere, the company I bought service from isn't going to run all their >own lines into the area. The change is made in a switching office under (I >guess) software control. All I have to do is tell the phone company who I >bought service from. Another gullible consumer bamboozled by the lure of "deregulation" and false promises of a "free market" system. In California, the days of "shared" local loops is over. The PUC decided that owners of loops do NOT have to share their owned facilities with "wannabe" phone operators, also known as "cream skimmers," like MCI was in their start-up days as Microwave Communications of Iowa. This is what closed AT&T's local service (well...before SBC gobbled them up, anyway...now they own them, just like the good ol' days!) The service was always worse, and there would always be a finger pointing exercise when trouble would erupt ("It's THEIR trouble!" "No, it's THEIR trouble!" and NO recourse for the wronged subscriber. The "laissez-faire" policies have produced exactly what we had in the 1900s...duplications of switching and line plant, poorer service, higher profits and wronged customers. Read up on "deregulated phone service" in Chicago around about that time and into the '20s...it was a nightmare. A similar situation existed in San Bernardino, CA, with crooked politicans taking bribes from the telcos to divie up the town among THREE telcos...Southern California Tel & Tel (AT&T), California Water & Telephone ("Drip 'N Tinkle") and what became General Telephone. California Interstate Telephone also had a sliver north of town due to the largess of criminal local politicos. It was so bad, you had to make a toll call to call across the main drag of town, E Street, until the 1940s, when the Cal PUC stepped in and overruled local authority. We've been through this before. The only sensible course is to run the "wannabes" out of business and go back to a regulated monopoly environment...which is where we're heading now. The only caveat is that the "regulation" has to have teeth, so bad service is punished by sanctions. This is the way it was for decades, and it worked...and worked well. Americans had the best telephone service in the world, and at one of the lowest prices. That's all changed now...service sucks (especially with the free-marketeering cell operators) and costs keep going up. Witness what happened with CATV...a monopoly with no real regulation in most cases, scammers like the Rigas family ("Adolfia") were raking in billions while providing shit service. Well, they got THIERS...but the probem continues. What's needed is REAL regulation from state PUCs and the FCC...and we won't get that until we toss the Repukes in the trash can of history. > >I've been told I could do the same with other services, like natural gas. I >haven't examined that option. It's invariably always a scam. Remember Enron? >>> I've got my DD214 to prove it. > >Since I'm replying to your post, I might as well ask. What is that? References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: <5cUrg.95981$nd1.713591@wagner.videotron.net> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:05:26 -0400 "John Byrns" wrote in message news:jbyrns-0807061316380001@216-80-74-51.s51.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com... > In article , "William > Sommerwerck" wrote: > >> >> Nope. If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely >> >> flat amplitude response, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved >> >> downward about 12dB on RIAA recordings. >> >> > You say nope (generalizing), then introduce an IF...Prove to me >> > that it doesn't work and why. Supply more than one crystal or >> > ceramic cartridge model and make that is designed to have a >> > "genuinely flat amplitude response" with data, references and >> > under which conditions the crystal or ceramic cartridge has >> > been spec'ed. >> >> You took what I wrote quite out of context. What I wrote is correct, but >> it >> might have been clarified: "If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to >> have >> a genuinely flat amplitude response for a constant-amplitude stimulus, >> frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved downward about 12dB on RIAA >> recordings." You're confusing the output of the pickup with a recording >> having a particular EQ, with the inherent behavior of the pickup itself. > > Actually it appears that you are the one that took what Syl said out of > context, if you check back through the thread you will see that your reply > was to the following comment made by Syl: > > "b) parallel a low value resistor across the cartridge's terminals and > feed the mag input. Idea is to convert from a constant amplitude to a > constant velocity type. It should be very close to the RIAA curve. Try > 4,7 Kohms resistors for a start." > > To this you replied: > > "Nope. If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely flat > amplitude response, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved downward about > 12dB on RIAA recordings." > > When Syl's comment is taken in its original context it becomes clear that > what you wrote is in error. Depending on the degree of mechanical > equalization incorporated in the ceramic cartridge, the overall response > will either be flat as Syl stated, or the highs will be boosted as a > result the mechanical equalization incorporated in the cartridge, in no > case will there be a downward shelving effect above 2 kHz as you claim. > > >> > Nope, if the cartridge had "a genuinely flat amplitude response", >> > then using a small value resistor in the way Syl described would >> > give perfectly flat response through a magnetic phono input, >> > assuming the equalization on the magnetic phono input was >> > accurate. If the cartridge had some mechanical equalization, >> > then the response would be raised above 2kHz, starting around >> > 500 Hz. >> >> Absolutely correct, but that wasn't what I was talking about -- which was >> what happens when you play an RIAA disk with a "genuinely flat" amplitude >> device. > > Yes it was what you were talking about, go back and see exactly which of > Syl's comments you were replying to! You quoted a fragment of Syl's > comment in your original reply, so there can be little doubt about which > of his comments you were referring to. I am surprised that a professional > writer gets this confused in his writing, or do I have it all wrong and an > ability to confuse issues is the stock in trade of professional writers? > > > Regards, > > John Byrns > > > Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Hi John, You stole my words, exactly. I couldn't say it better. I will stop posting in this thread as it will get nowhere as usual. Discussions with William are a one way street, unfortunately. Only thing I can suggest to William is some readings on the subject, and some hands-on experience...RDH4 is on my website and there is an interesting section on the subject (somewhat limited but it's a start). Haven't seen you much around lately, hope all is well. Syl Article: 337004 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:44:27 -0700 Message-ID: References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:12:35 -0700, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: >> Philips has designed a chipset that disables your remote >> during commercials. > >And how does it know a commercial is playing? They set a bit in the VITS that the remote set decodes as "remote on/remote off." It is the most onerous example of "Big Brother" I've seen the broadcast industry pull yet. If you're smart enough to know how to strip off VITS before it hits the set, though, they're foiled....again. Article: 337005 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:46:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <4KmdnYFSU7YWZTPZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:09:57 -0700, "Scott W. Harvey" wrote: >This sounds like an urban legend It's not. >....What would compel TV manufacturers >to include such a feature in their sets The broadcast comgloms in the US. >, and who would buy them, knowing >the feature was there? American consumers, more than ever, are sheep who get fleeced every time they enter places like Wally-Fart. Article: 337006 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:51:11 -0700 Message-ID: References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <12au9ns71bog933@news.supernews.com> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:31:06 -0400, "Buck Frobisher" wrote: >Not yet anyway, but keep watching: we're not far from being able to >broadcast power from solar collectors in space... ....and remember, Tesla had a system to broadcast power via radio waves in the late 1800s. I believe Westinghouse gobbled up the patents on it, but it was never implemented. Article: 337007 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:02:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1b30b2d72knfcisgdkkjgursa55m56eb0d@4ax.com> References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> On 7 Jul 2006 07:06:11 -0700, "gerryu21220@gmail.com" wrote: >Well, I tried flipping the switch over to magnetic, but that made the >input too loud and extremely distorted, just as I thought it would. >I'm just wondering if there is some way to boost the gain, bump up the >bass and cut the treble to more "normal" levels. You seem to not know anything about RIAA equalization. Ceramics, notably Sonotones, used the fact that ceramic cartridges' output decreases almost linearly with increase in frequency to "phony up" an equalization curve. That's why most cheap "consoles" had "midrangy" sounding phonos...the lack of proper RIAA equalization in the preamp would yield a response curve that, when including the natural rolloff of any ceramic cartridge, would yield a "hump" right about the low freq turnover frequency. Why are you messing around with these cheeseball ceramics and crystals anyway? They're record ruiners and sound like garbage, even with a new stylus. Get a good, tough mag cartridge that can put up with a clunker like a V-M changer and be done with it. Ceramics and crystals only existed past the early '50s for one reason...they were cheap. I routinely throw them away. The only exception was former Sonotone engineer Dave Schwartz' MicroAcoutics, which took the "piezoelectric" concept of phono cartridge design to very high heights, besting most of the best moving magnet cartridges (and many of the moving coils) of the day in performance. Too bad his company folded after he died in the '80s...they were/are a superior sounding cartridge. Article: 337008 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:24:48 -0400 "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:rIGdndsU6Y2Sny3ZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> Absolutely correct, but that wasn't what I was talking about -- >>> which was what happens when you play an RIAA disk with >>> a "genuinely flat" amplitude device. > >> Yes it was what you were talking about, go back and see exactly which of >> Syl's comments you were replying to! You quoted a fragment of Syl's >> comment in your original reply, so there can be little doubt about which >> of his comments you were referring to. I am surprised that a >> professional >> writer gets this confused in his writing, or do I have it all wrong and >> an >> ability to confuse issues is the stock in trade of professional writers? > > I'm going to ignore that (and I don't mean that humorously). You should not. Your posts in this thread ARE confusing... > Simply hanging a low-value resistor across a ceramic pickup -- most of > which > _were_ designed for a fairly flat output from an RIAA LP -- will make the > pickup's response rise at 6dB (because you know have, in effect, a > high-pass > filter with the corner at the upper end of the audio band), but it will > not > produce the equivalent of a constant-velocity _signal_, from the LP, > because > the pickup still has the built-in mechanical boost. That has to be > compensated for. Which is exactly the point I was getting at -- from the > other direction. > You said exactly the opposite in your previous reply. Get your thoughts together and come back later, you are either confused or stuck in your innacuracies and can't find a way out. Seriously... Syl Article: 337009 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:11:29 -0500 Message-ID: <26665-44B01171-38@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: My snail mail issue of Popular Mechanics magazine (I only read my magazines when I am sitting on my porcelaine throne.Go figure) for August 2006 showed up here yesterday.There is an interesting article in the magazine about DVD recorders.Should y'all want to accept the mission to read the article. cuhulin ........................................................ This tape will self deconstruct in 30 seconds.Mission Impossible ....................................................... Article: 337010 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:15:49 -0500 Message-ID: <26665-44B01275-39@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: <5100b294jc09u79q1sg6vg5cpk06tbte35@4ax.com> And Stephen Hawking asked yahoo.com if humans would survive another hundred years. cuhulin Article: 337011 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:03:40 -0700 Message-ID: <8s30b2phplufdm3frjivcgi5dtjsde4vit@4ax.com> References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:16:03 -0700, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: >> It should be very close to the RIAA curve. > >Nope. If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely flat >amplitude response, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved downward about >12dB on RIAA recordings. ...at 10 KHz, yes. Not "shelved" flat, as you suggest. > Article: 337012 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: More sensitivity? Date: 8 Jul 2006 13:39:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1152391157.573129.46250@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Well, Bob, it's like the difference between an old VW and a BMW ; they both get you there, but the Beemer with more pizzaz. Likewise with radios. A very basic AA5 will receive local stations fairly well with sound quality that is barely adequate, while a big [Philco-Zenith-RCA-GE- whatever] console with Short wave, FM and big speakers will do a much finer job all around. That console probably has somewhere between 6 and 15 tubes, an RF amplifier [better selectivity and sensitivity] and, perhaps, variable bandwidth [sound quality/sensitvity] amplified AGC[AVC] to ease [sharpen] tuning and, as well, a much improved audio amplification and reproduction system [tone quality-distortion]. So, yes, Design is a big part of it, but the quality of components [other than speakers and the like] are much the same in both BUT in the larger chassis each stage has to do less, so, unlike the AA5 it is not necessary to squeeze ever drop of performance from them, thereby reducing noise and hum. Neil S. Bob wrote: > Is there anyway to make a radio have better selectivity? Why would the > same manufacture make one radio "so so" and then another model "hot", with > all kinds of selectivity and sensitivity? Is the difference in the design > or the parts that are used? Article: 337013 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: <1152239504.213202.36920@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1152333908.442172.280160@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: REL Precedent Tuner on Ebay Message-ID: <2%Urg.2924$bd4.1958@trnddc01> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:57:34 GMT It should be noted that among this seller's past auctions was a cassette deck and speaker which he claimed to have tested. That leaves two possibilities-either he didn't have the time or ambition to test the tuner, or he tested it and didn't like the results. -- Mike Schultz "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:DpudnT3IKYyUKDLZnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> William Sommerwerck wrote: >>> Note that the poster is also the seller. > >>> I'm surprised the gentleman doesn't have the minuscule bit of knowledge >>> needed to connect it to an antenna and hi-fi system to see if it works. > >> William, >> Didn't you just post a message where you said "I suspect both >> these work -- they were handed to me (here, get rid of these for >> me) without the amp -- probably the amp failed or got lost >> leaving these behind -- but they are untested." > > No, I did not. I've been involved in consumer electronics for almost 50 > years, and I know how to check out just about anything electronic. Ditto > for > most things photographic. > > I don't remember ever having sold an item I was unable to test. But I've > never sold anything that wasn't my own property. A person who "buys them > up > at auction lots with other odds and ends" may not have the knowledge or > experience to test everything he comes across. > > Nevertheless, if you're regularly selling audio equipment, you should know > the basics of testing it. If nothing else, you're hurting your own > profits, > because people aren't going to bid as much for an untested item, "money > back > if not delighted" notwithstanding. > > Article: 337014 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44B01D3A.618A102C@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:02:07 GMT robert casey wrote: > > > > > Philips has designed a chipset that disables your remote during > > commercials. > > > > > > I'd take it back to WalMart and say that this damm thing doesn't work... There is always the AC plug, or just not watching the damn things in the first place. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337015 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44B01F0D.E1314D9E@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <12au9ns71bog933@news.supernews.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:09:55 GMT DeserTBoB wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:31:06 -0400, "Buck Frobisher" > wrote: > > >Not yet anyway, but keep watching: we're not far from being able to > >broadcast power from solar collectors in space... > > ....and remember, Tesla had a system to broadcast power via radio > waves in the late 1800s. I believe Westinghouse gobbled up the > patents on it, but it was never implemented. It was just a huge Tesla coil and a tuned loop to pick up the radiated RF at the other end. VERY inefficient and would wipe out everything below the microwave bands for miles. Double the distance, and get 1/4 the power. The inverse square law and several other laws of physics stop it from ever being useful. You could pick up a couple watts of RF a few miles from the WLW tower when they were running 500,000 watts. Enough to power a small transistor amp on a crystal radio, but you could only pick up one or two stations, because their signal wiped out the broad front end. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337016 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:35:41 -0500 Message-ID: <26664-44B0252D-209@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: I only watch them old,old,old mostly black and white movies on tv I like.To H..l with ABC! cuhulin Article: 337017 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:38:59 +0900 Message-ID: References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <%Axrg.1267$vO.906@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <44AEBB0F.B4F7BDD7@earthlink.net> <44B01D3A.618A102C@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44B01D3A.618A102C@earthlink.net... > robert casey wrote: >> >> > >> > Philips has designed a chipset that disables your remote during >> > commercials. >> > >> > >> >> I'd take it back to WalMart and say that this damm thing doesn't work... > > > There is always the AC plug, or just not watching the damn things in > the first place. > > I rather wonder does it also kill the buttons on the DVR??? I would just set up to have the machine next to me, or get off my lazy duff to ff through the ads. Article: 337018 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Speaking of battery chargers... Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:23:18 -0400 How can you tell when a battery is not charging properly in a computer backup system? After so long a time the battery doesn't take the charge and has no capacity to run the pc, but there is no indicator that warns of this condition. I just replaced a backup unit for this reason. Ken Article: 337019 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Circuits For The Hobbyst Bookmarking? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:38:02 -0400 I can't bookmark this site 'Circuits for the Hobbyst by VA3AVR'that was referred to by Jeffery Angus in the battery charging thread. Can this be bookmarked or is it my pc? Ken From babushka{AT}dom{DOT}com Thu Jul 13 01:39:41 EDT 2006 Article: 337020 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:38:13 -0500 From: "Bob" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono References: <44B01C21.E37EC970@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: More sensitivity? 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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44B01C21.E37EC970@earthlink.net... > Bob wrote: >> >> Is there anyway to make a radio have better selectivity? Why would the >> same manufacture make one radio "so so" and then another model "hot", >> with >> all kinds of selectivity and sensitivity? Is the difference in the >> design >> or the parts that are used? > > > Why did you post the same question twice, with two different subject > lines? > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Article: 337021 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1b30b2d72knfcisgdkkjgursa55m56eb0d@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:49:50 -0700 Message-ID: > You seem to not know anything about RIAA equalization. > Ceramics, notably Sonotones, used the fact that ceramic > cartridges' output decreases almost linearly with increase > in frequency to "phony up" an equalization curve. Ceramic pickups are amplitude devices, and "inherently" flat with frequency (when loaded with an appropriately high impedance). They do not roll off. See my other posts. > The only exception was former Sonotone engineer Dave Schwartz' > MicroAcoutics, which took the "piezoelectric" concept of phono > cartridge design to very high heights, besting most of the best > moving magnet cartridges (and many of the moving coils) of the > day in performance. Too bad his company folded after he died > in the '80s... they were/are a superior sounding cartridge. It might very well have been (though I have my doubts about any transducer using electrets), but the man who ran MicroAcoutics was a liar. I told him so at a Summer CES. He didn't like it. What did he lie about? He claimed that the low output impedance of the pickup -- which had no trouble driving the cable capacitance to very high frequencies (unlike the relatively high impedances of moving-flux pickups) -- was demonstrable proof that the pickup itself had a comparably wide bandwidth. There are other factors, of course, including the effective tip mass. Article: 337022 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <5cUrg.95981$nd1.713591@wagner.videotron.net> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:52:11 -0700 Message-ID: > You stole my words, exactly. I couldn't say it better. > I will stop posting in this thread as it will get nowhere as usual. > Discussions with William are a one way street, unfortunately. > Only thing I can suggest to William is some readings on the subject, > and some hands-on experience... RDH4 is on my website and there > is an interesting section on the subject (somewhat limited but it's a > start). Everything I said was correct. Most of what you said was correct, too. You simply don't want to admit that you read it out of context. Article: 337023 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <44AF97B6.80C22345@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:58:35 GMT Hi! > Another gullible consumer bamboozled by the lure of "deregulation" and > false promises of a "free market" system. I wouldn't say that. Interesting. What you say is true of anything that involves multiple providers. (Tech support on computer software or hardware comes to mind.) Apart from long distance services (where there does appear to be some competition, and helpful competition at that) I've never considered another party for local telephone service than the local telephone company (Verizon/GTE). This is primarily because Verizon has been *very* good to me for the most part. They went above and beyond what they had to do when a storm ripped through here and damaged their lines. They not only fixed their line, but also helped clean up our yard and fallen trees. > Duhhhhhhhhhh.... That's no kind of an answer. Either you can answer the question, or you cannot. William Article: 337024 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:59:03 -0700 Message-ID: > You said exactly the opposite in your previous reply. > Get your thoughts together and come back later, > you are either confused or stuck in your innacuracies > and can't find a way out. Seriously... You are confusing the nature of amplitude-sensitive transducers IN GENERAL, with the way ceramic pickups are designed to get flat response from an LP that is not cut constant-amplitude. Any kind of amplitude-sensitive transducer -- including electret and strain-gauge -- has to have some sort of EQ to compensate for what would otherwise be non-flat output. Without this compensation -- and assuming the pickup ITSELF is designed for flat response from a constant-amplitude source -- the output from an LP will be shelved at high frequencies. What I've just said is correct, and not open to argument -- EE 201. You haven't thought this through completely, so when somebody presents the issue from a slightly different perspective, you reflexively assume they're wrong. Article: 337025 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:54:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1261-44B045C2-91@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> References: <44AF1247.9FDCFB90@earthlink.net> M.A.T. said ``Why dont you run the radios off WD-40`` Now that was funny ... I busted out laughing and still chuckling :-) Guess i`m not to far form that now ! I will install an outlet on a wd40 can and push the nozzle it just might.work . Article: 337026 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <5100b294jc09u79q1sg6vg5cpk06tbte35@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:03:31 GMT On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:59:24 GMT, DeserTBoB wrote: >> If the resources had _instead_ been spent on _biological_ research, then we'd now know biological things that we never knew before. If the resources had _instead_ been spent on feeding people, then people would now be alive who are instead dead. If the resouces had _instead- been left in the market economy, then future over-all levels of production (which could fund research, feeding people, or whatever) would have been greater than they will be. Again, we have finite resources to allocate across competing uses. What made Hubble the right investment when it was made? Stop wiggling your butt and think. > > Better thinkers than you (Einstein, for example) would have > enthusiasticly said "yes." Your _guess_ as to Einstein's opinion is poor evidence indeed. Further, in-so-far as Einstein was an old-fashioned socialist, we really wouldn't want to go by his pronouncements on economic matters even if you could extract them by way of your Ouiji board. Einstein's competences lay elsewhere. I didn't ask you to produce a authority who you would _guess_ agreed with you. In the face of alternative possibilities, I asked to to reveal "What made Hubble the right investment when it was made?" If, as you claim, it's obvious, then you can put up. > By the way, a certain bit of biological > research that is in demand by the people and is doable and fungible > now these days has been blocked by a dildo masquerading as a > president. The word "fungible" refers to things which are treated as perfect or near-perfect substitutes one for another. (Thus, dollar bills are fungible in the eyes of most people, while paintings by Da Vinci are not.) You can take solace in the fact that the President's obstruction and the resulting polemic of his opponents produced a California measure which provides for far more funding for that research than would have come from the federal government had he not blocked it. Thus, we should clearly get to see whether four or eight years of a Democratic Presidency would indeed have got people like Christopher Reeve up-and-about. Alternately, we may see an expensive illustration that a scientific programme can be recklessly over-sold. Article: 337027 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <44AF97B6.80C22345@earthlink.net> <44B01A62.E51F8041@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:04:50 GMT Hi! > Do you understand that a CATV system is not like telephone, or any > other service? My knowledge of CATV systems is not the best, especially for matters "beyond the pole" or underground cable. I did notice that my cable company is reselling someone else's Internet access....and figured that maybe the systems were in some way interconnected between companies. That's probably more assuming than I should have done... > Once again, you pay the bill to someone who subcontracts it out to > whoever owns the pipelines. If there is a problem, guess who shows up to > repair the equipment? I can guess. :-) I should really read up on this stuff because I just don't really "see" how selling your service over someone else's line provides for competition. Sure, it means choices, but is there much beyond "badge engineering" going on here? > Its the paper stating that I was honorably discharged after serving > my full six years of military service. In my case that was two years > active duty, and four years in the reserves in the US Army. First, as a > broadcast engineer at Ft. Rucker Al, where I worked in CATV and later at > a radio and TV station at Ft. Greely, Ak. Thanks for the explanation. William Article: 337028 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44AF97B6.80C22345@earthlink.net> <44B01A62.E51F8041@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:15:07 GMT On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:50:00 GMT, Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Do you understand that a CATV system is not like telephone, or any > other service? No two systems are alike, or carry the same services. To > use the same hardware to deliver a signal to your house it would still > be whoever built the system providing the service, with another layer > between you and the actual provider. With telephone service, they lease > unused lines and switching capability. There is only one trunkline from > the headend for CATV service. None of this describes an engineering necessity. Telephone companies could likewise have chosen to use fundamentally different systems, one from another. Cable systems have developed as they are because present incentives lead to incompatibility. Under different incentives, they would strive for interoperabilities. Article: 337029 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44AF97B6.80C22345@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:26:22 GMT On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 23:58:35 GMT, William R. Walsh wrote: >> Duhhhhhhhhhh.... > > That's no kind of an answer. Either you can answer the question, or you > cannot. He can answer, but he wants to depict you as stupid, since he's decided that you're on the "other" side. Article: 337030 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44B05387.BF4E76D6@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Speaking of battery chargers... References: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:53:52 GMT Ken wrote: > > How can you tell when a battery is not charging properly in a computer > backup system? After so long a time the battery doesn't take the charge > and has no capacity to run the pc, but there is no indicator that warns > of this condition. I just replaced a backup unit for this reason. Ken How old was it? Most UPS manufacturers give an estimated life, but it depends on the actual loading and how often the thing is run from the battery or batteries. My last APC UPS 650 worked for almost six years, which was twice the expected life. I was recently given two fairly new units from a computer store that closed and they are working properly. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337031 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:01:03 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> In article , "William Sommerwerck" wrote: > >> Absolutely correct, but that wasn't what I was talking about -- > >> which was what happens when you play an RIAA disk with > >> a "genuinely flat" amplitude device. > > > Yes it was what you were talking about, go back and see exactly which of > > Syl's comments you were replying to! You quoted a fragment of Syl's > > comment in your original reply, so there can be little doubt about which > > of his comments you were referring to. I am surprised that a professional > > writer gets this confused in his writing, or do I have it all wrong and an > > ability to confuse issues is the stock in trade of professional writers? > > I'm going to ignore that (and I don't mean that humorously). > > Simply hanging a low-value resistor across a ceramic pickup -- most of which > _were_ designed for a fairly flat output from an RIAA LP -- will make the > pickup's response rise at 6dB (because you know have, in effect, a high-pass > filter with the corner at the upper end of the audio band), but it will not > produce the equivalent of a constant-velocity _signal_, from the LP, because > the pickup still has the built-in mechanical boost. That has to be > compensated for. Which is exactly the point I was getting at -- from the > other direction. If that is what you were getting at "from the other direction" then why did you respond to Syl saying he was wrong? I am aware that any mechanical equalization in the pickup will cause a boost in the region around 2 kHz and above, that is why I said in my previous post, "Depending on the degree of mechanical equalization incorporated in the ceramic cartridge, the overall response will either be flat as Syl stated, or the highs will be boosted as a result the mechanical equalization incorporated in the cartridge, in no case will there be a downward shelving effect above 2 kHz as you claim." A ceramic cartridge will produce the equivalent of a constant-velocity _signal_, from the LP when connected as Syl suggested if the cartridge does not include any mechanical equalization, and there have been a few of those produced over the years, I suspect that the Micro-Acoustics cartridge that you mentioned in another post may fall in that group. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 337032 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:02:37 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <5cUrg.95981$nd1.713591@wagner.videotron.net> In article <5cUrg.95981$nd1.713591@wagner.videotron.net>, "Syl" wrote: > Hi John, > > You stole my words, exactly. I couldn't say it better. > > I will stop posting in this thread as it will get nowhere as usual. > Discussions with William are a one way street, unfortunately. > > Only thing I can suggest to William is some readings on the subject, > and some hands-on experience...RDH4 is on my website and there > is an interesting section on the subject (somewhat limited but it's a > start). > > Haven't seen you much around lately, hope all is well. Hi Syl, Yes, all is well with the family and I, thanks for inquiring. Of course there are always a few minor annoyances to cope with, the current one being that my web pages died on or around July 4th. You are a knowledgeable computer guy, I have a gut feeling that I am going to have to find someone new to host my web pages, do you have any recommendations? The service should be cost effective, include at least 20 megabytes of space, support multiple counters, and provide full statistics on page accesses. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 337033 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:03:26 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <8s30b2phplufdm3frjivcgi5dtjsde4vit@4ax.com> In article <8s30b2phplufdm3frjivcgi5dtjsde4vit@4ax.com>, desertb@rglobal.net wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:16:03 -0700, "William Sommerwerck" > wrote: > > >> It should be very close to the RIAA curve. > > > >Nope. If a crystal/ceramic pickup is designed to have a genuinely flat > >amplitude response, frequencies above 2kHz will be shelved downward about > >12dB on RIAA recordings. > > ...at 10 KHz, yes. Not "shelved" flat, as you suggest. Bob, you need to bone up on the RIAA LP equalization curve, this is one time when William is correct. The RIAA LP recording curve is essentially a constant amplitude recording characteristic, with a drop of approximately 12 dB occurring between 500 Hz and 2,122 Hz so that the response above 2,122 Hz is shelved down approximately 12 dB and is flat above 2,122 Hz, except close to the corner frequency. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 337034 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:04:44 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: Sonotone "Velocitone" schematic Message-ID: References: <5vidnSPamKOCJjLZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com> In article , "William Sommerwerck" wrote: > > The operation of the network "for magnetic input" is less obvious, but it > > probably would become obvious with the answers to the following two > > questions, in addition to the one posed above about the capacity of the > > cartridge. First, the network schematics are printed over a frequency > > response graph, the question is for which network/input is this the > > overall response curve, it is hard to believe that the networks are so > > exact that the response curves would lay exactly on top of one another? > > Second it would be helpful to have a raw response curve for the bare > > cartridge into an infinite load impedance without any networks connected > > at all. > > What confuses me about the "magnetic" input is this... > > A ceramic pickup can be modeled essentially as an ideal voltage source > feeding a series capacitor (the element's capacitance). It and the load > resistance form a high-pass filter. If the load resistane is low enough to > put that corner at 10kHz or higher, the effect will be for the sigal to rise > at 6dB/8ve over the audio band -- in other words, the close-equivalent of a > velocity device. > > So far, so good. The parallel 500pF cap causes the effective load resistance > to begin declining above 4kHz or so. The effect would be to move the > high-pass corner frequency higher, thus increasing the attenuation at higher > frequencies -- which is what we want to compensate for the mechanically > generated rise in the pickup's response. > > So I guess it isn't as confusing as it seems. Correct, the Sonotone "Network For Magnetic Input" shelves the highs down about 7 dB at 15 kHz starting around 2.5 kHz, YMMV depending on the cartridge capacitance assumed in the analysis. My speculation, in my previous post, about the Sonotone "Network For Ceramic Input" was wrong. Further analysis shows that this network depresses the response in the area between 50 and 500 Hz. This doesn't make sense to me unless the cartridge it is designed to be used with includes no mechanical equalization and has a constant amplitude response. Again YMMV depending on the cartridge capacitance assumed in the analysis. > It's normal for the L and R outputs of any pickup to vary in level and > frequency response. True enough, but what does that have to do with the topic under discussion? If it relates to my question about the response graph the network schematics are drawn over, my question related to which of the two networks response was depicted by the graph, the "ceramic input" or the "magnetic input" network? Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 337035 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:22:09 -0400 "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:JtadnSDfcPl92y3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > You haven't thought this through completely, so when somebody presents the > issue from a slightly different perspective, you reflexively assume > they're > wrong. Yeah right. Condencending as usual. And as usual, you conveniently avoid answering the simple questions I ask. Go back to the start of this thread and answer the simple questions I asked, then we can continue the discussion. Syl Article: 337036 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44B056BE.51A6AC20@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. References: <44AF97B6.80C22345@earthlink.net> <44B01A62.E51F8041@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 01:07:35 GMT "William R. Walsh" wrote: > > Hi! > > > Do you understand that a CATV system is not like telephone, or any > > other service? > > My knowledge of CATV systems is not the best, especially for matters "beyond > the pole" or underground cable. > > I did notice that my cable company is reselling someone else's Internet > access....and figured that maybe the systems were in some way interconnected > between companies. That's probably more assuming than I should have done... A number of CATV and internet providers paid for and built a private fiber optic backbone for internet access via your local cable TV system. When your CATV company offers the service it is provided by "Fiber enhanced Cable", which means that a small group of homes share one fiber. Currently, the local node offers one of three ISPs to chose from. I have Earthlink, with a 7 MB/S data rate, through Brighthouse (Time Warner). The other two choices are Road Runner or AOL. BTW, they also laid pipe for additional fiber optic cables for VOIP services at the same time. They were laid in the same trenches, and color coded. Orange for internet, and gray for VOIP. I saw it as they built it along Hwy. 452 through Lake and marion counties, her in Central Florida. > > Once again, you pay the bill to someone who subcontracts it out to > > whoever owns the pipelines. If there is a problem, guess who shows up to > > repair the equipment? > > I can guess. :-) > > I should really read up on this stuff because I just don't really "see" how > selling your service over someone else's line provides for competition. > Sure, it means choices, but is there much beyond "badge engineering" going > on here? It depends on the service, and the contract. While Earthlink shares the local fiber nodes and backbone, they have their own equipment to handle the connection between the local nodes and the main fiber optic backbone. Telephone service, on the other hand is purchased in blocks and resold by people who don't have to do the maintenance and have little, if any understanding of how the system works. > > > Its the paper stating that I was honorably discharged after serving > > my full six years of military service. In my case that was two years > > active duty, and four years in the reserves in the US Army. First, as a > > broadcast engineer at Ft. Rucker Al, where I worked in CATV and later at > > a radio and TV station at Ft. Greely, Ak. > > Thanks for the explanation. No problem. :) feel free to ask any questions you have about CATV or broadcast here, or by e-mail. If I know the answers I'll tell you. If not, I'll direct you to places where you can get other help. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337037 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Scott Phantom Restoration Now On Forum Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:15:14 -0400 Message-ID: <12b0m56c9oikc5c@corp.supernews.com> I'll put it on the binaries too soon- http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=447013#447013 John H. Article: 337038 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Look What I Bought Today for $70- Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:29:56 -0400 Message-ID: <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com> A Philco 38-7 chairside - http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Philco&id=Philco38_7before1 I have the missing speaker too, I don't have a single Conehead-o-matic Philco in my collection despite having and having had many Philcos. The dial is really neat, and I've rarely if ever seen one for sale anywhere in a chairside model. Those four holes in the bottom horz. panel you see are NOT original though, right John G. ? Thanks, John H. John H. Article: 337039 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Speaking of battery chargers... Date: 8 Jul 2006 18:39:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1152409196.304692.200780@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: One easy method is to load test each battery and then check the charging voltage. The easiest is to load the UPS to rated ouput power and then let it run to cutoff and see how that compares to specification and keep a log of times. As soon as the times start to shorten from test to test, it is time to replace the batteries! This should be done about every 2 months if you are relying on the UPS to support critical equipment. We had a huge commercial UPS system with a ton or so of gel cells and it put out 600V 3 phase at about 100A. Whenever it was called on to 'do it's thing' it failed due to a bad battery somewhere in the string, even though it self-tested automatically and regularly. Neil S. Ken wrote: > How can you tell when a battery is not charging properly in a computer > backup system? After so long a time the battery doesn't take the charge > and has no capacity to run the pc, but there is no indicator that warns > of this condition. I just replaced a backup unit for this reason. Ken Article: 337040 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:42:28 -0700 Message-ID: > If that is what you were getting at "from the other direction" > then why did you respond to Syl saying he was wrong? I said his interpretation of what I said was wrong, out of context. Most, if not all, of what he said was correct. > I am aware that any mechanical equalization in the pickup will cause a > boost in the region around 2 kHz and above, that is why I said in my > previous post, "Depending on the degree of mechanical equalization > incorporated in the ceramic cartridge, the overall response will either > be flat as Syl stated, or the highs will be boosted as a result the > mechanical equalization incorporated in the cartridge, in no case will > there be a downward shelving effect above 2 kHz as you claim." Yes, true, but that isn't what I said. I said that if the pickup was designed to have a flat amplitude response, the output from an RIAA LP _will_ be shelved. The only way to avoid the shelving is to design the pickup NOT to have a flat amplitude response. As I said, you're confusing the innate behavior of an amplitude-sensitive device, with the modifications required to make it deliver a "flat" _signal_ >from an RIAA disk. A pickup with flat amplitude response will never deliver a flat signal. > A ceramic cartridge will produce the equivalent of a constant-velocity > _signal_, from the LP when connected as Syl suggested if the cartridge > does not include any mechanical equalization, and there have been a few > few of those produced over the years, I suspect that the Micro-Acoustics > cartridge that you mentioned in another post may fall in that group. That's correct. As I explained in a previous post, loading the pickup with a "small" resistor moves the high-pass corner frequency high enough (>10kHz) to cause the pickup's electrical response to fall at 6dB/8ve -- in other words, a velocity response. If the pickup has been mechanically compensated, then further electrical EQ is needed to reduce or remove the compensation, so the signal can feed a magnetic input. Article: 337041 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jeff, WB8NHV" Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: 8 Jul 2006 18:43:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1152409428.667786.124540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <5350-44AE89F0-27@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Tom Adkins wrote: > Brenda Ann wrote: > > > > > > > So far they don't appear to be talking about television sets, only DVR's, to > > keep people from fast forwarding past the ads. They get away with it based > > on recent court decisions on piracy. > > > > > > > > My DVD player, 4 year old Mintek cheapie, won't let you skip past many commercials > mixed in between the previews on DVDs. I can't just FF to the movie menu. It also > won't let you skip past some previews and legal disclaimers on adult videos (so I'm > told). I had a DVR for about 6 months (didn't use it like I thought I would). There > were comercials that "resisted" being skipped. It seemed like it was about every third e > one no matter what the program. It almost seemed like the software in the DVR would > let you skip 2 commercials but then restarted #3 a couple of times until you skipped > past it again. #4 was a cointoss. It might skip, or it might resist. This happened > during playback obviously. I have a 1.5-year-old Cyberhome DVD player that will not let me skip the previews on disks I rent from Netflix.com. Used to bother me, now I use the time to make a cup of coffee before the program I want to see begins. My player won't skip past the FBI warnings ahead of the programs either. (If the government feels people really need to see these warnings, then for gosh sakes make them big enough to read, and give people enough time to read them! The ones on NF.com's DVDs are in such tiny type one needs a magnifying glass to see them clearly; that or else one must be very close to the TV screen.) Commercials on DVDs? I haven't seen any yet on disks I rent from NF.com, unless of course you want to count the previews of upcoming shows. I don't have a DVR unit yet (still have my old reliable Panasonic Omnivision VHS four-head VCR, bought new two or three years ago; I had a Panasonic Omnivision unit like it, the first one having VCR Plus+ and all the bells and whistles except MTS stereo sound, but a cassette jammed in it after about two years--I had to virtually wreck the thing to get the cassette out). I feel that as long as VCRs are cheaper than DVRs or DVD recorders, people will still use VCRs to time-shift programs and, of course, to watch their old VHS favorites. I have about 75 VHS tapes, mostly of 1970s-'80s TV series and old movies from AMC, TCM, etc., so my VCR is going to be staying in my entertainment system for quite a while. If I must replace it eventually, I see they are dirt-cheap now so I can get one for $30 or less at Big Lots and other discount stores. VCR's heyday may be over, but as long as folks still have old tapes, there will be a market for the machines. VHS lasted longer than Betamax, after all. The few people who still have Beta VCRs are having trouble finding tapes for them these days, but blank tapes for VHS machines are plentiful and dirt cheap (I can get RCA-branded VHS videocassettes at Big Lots for under a buck apiece). However, I do agree with those who say that today's hit movies are only available on DVD. This is very true, and one big reason for movie fans to get a DVD player as soon as possible, but for gosh sakes hang on to that VCR if you have dozens or (heavens!) hundreds of old tapes; copying this many tapes to DVD could take years or decades. Progressive scan and 3:2 pulldown means better picture quality from DVD; better even than the best VHS tapes. The price of a month's subscription to Netflix.com is less than what the cable companies charge for a month of HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc. Heck, I remember when channel 61 in Cleveland had a pay-television service back in the early '80s. I wouldn't have paid for that either. I did have HBO for a month, just to see if I would like it. I did not. No commercials, but the programming consisted of the same two or three movies played over and over again (the films themselves weren't that great either). At least with DVD rental services such as Netflix.com, you, the viewer, are able to make a list online of the movies you want to see, rather than being constrained by some pay-cable channel's humdrum (and often as family-unfriendly as it can get) assortment of movies, most being shown over and over every hour or so. The day I subscribed to Netflix.com was when I started enjoying watching television again. You may not be able to skip past commercials (if any), but at least NF.com, et al. puts programming choices in the hands of the viewers, where it belongs. Zenith's Phonevision system of the late 1950s was a crude (by today's standards) method of giving people real choices as to what they could watch on TV; it flopped and was eventually discontinued, but about 25 years later over-the-air commercial-free pay TV appeared; most major cities had a pay-TV station--in Cleveland it was old WKBF-TV 61, in Detroit it was WXON-TV 20, and so forth. However, over-air pay TV was not popular enough to support a broad enough subscriber base to survive, so it was tabled some time in the late 1980s. Pay cable movie channels appeared next, and were a success. All cable systems now have at least HBO, Cinemax and Showtime, all commercial free (but of course you do pay a subscription fee each month for the service; there is no free lunch). I don't think we are ever going to get away from commercials or previews, etc. on today's DVDs. The discs are coded so as not to allow the players to skip past the commercials, but it is done this way for a reason. Moral: commercials are here to stay, whether on live TV or DVD. Best to get used to them, as they won't die or go away. Jeff, WB8NHV Fairport Harbor, Ohio USA Article: 337042 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <8s30b2phplufdm3frjivcgi5dtjsde4vit@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:45:42 -0700 Message-ID: > Bob, you need to bone up on the RIAA LP equalization curve, this is one > time when William is correct. The RIAA LP recording curve is essentially > a constant amplitude recording characteristic, with a drop of > approximately 12 dB occurring between 500 Hz and 2,122 Hz so that the > response above 2,122 Hz is shelved down approximately 12 dB and is flat > above 2,122 Hz, except close to the corner frequency. Correct. The region between turnover and rolloff is constant-velocity, and therefore rolls off (amplitude-wise) at 6dB/8ve (since constant-velocity represent a falling amplitude for a constant-amplitude input). When the curve returns to constant-amplitude, the response has fallen by more than 12dB. Article: 337043 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Look What I Bought Today for $70- References: <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <8gZrg.18115$f76.6593@dukeread06> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:48:49 -0400 There are lots of them around. I've made at least 20 cone setting tools for people who are restoring them. Someone must have mounted a turntable using those holes. Ken Hagstar wrote: > A Philco 38-7 chairside - > http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Philco&id=Philco38_7before1 > > I have the missing speaker too, I don't have a single Conehead-o-matic > Philco in my collection despite having and having had many Philcos. The dial > is really neat, and I've rarely if ever seen one for sale anywhere in a > chairside model. > > Those four holes in the bottom horz. panel you see are NOT original though, > right John G. ? Thanks, > > John H. > > John H. > > Article: 337044 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:45:54 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B05FD2-269@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: Dont mention Ouija Boards to George Noory at www.coasttocoastam.com He will freak out. cuhulin Article: 337045 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B06175-270@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: I wont argue with Einstein,or Klaatu Barada Nikto either.All your base are belong to us.[what's that you say,Darkwing?] cuhulin Article: 337046 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:56:57 -0500 Message-ID: <401-44B06269-49@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <44B03E94.6915EF6B@earthlink.net> Whatever they come up with,,, you can bet your boots some hackers will come up with something better.Disclaimer: I am not a hacker. cuhulin Article: 337047 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Engineer" Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Date: 8 Jul 2006 19:04:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1152410698.768263.234460@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Bill Jeffrey wrote: > Ken G. wrote: > > I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug > > the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run > > cordless . > > > Ken - > > All the kidding notwithstanding, and assuming you are serious and not > trolling, you have to provide a little more detail. > > First, how much power will the radio consume? (snip) Exactly. BTW, RFID keyless entry is cordless! The door transmitter induces a few microwatts into the transceiver, e.g key fob, which then lights up and transmits the code back to the door unit, modulated on another frequency. Of course the code is not very entertaining, so we might want to try that in an cordless AA5... The base unit would fry you. Cheers, Roger Article: 337048 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: (OT) ABC Tries to Kill DVR Ad Skipping Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:08:56 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B06538-272@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152409428.667786.124540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Jeff,in all due respect,,,, I would do whatever possible,I would take Pains to skip anything fed govt plops on there. I never have said it before in this news group,but I hate fed govt with a pink purple passion. cuhulin .........................................................Were the deep [where the deep] blue pearly waters [blue pearly waters] wash upon white [wash upon] silvery sands [white silvery sands],,,,,,,,,,,,, Article: 337049 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:10:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1259-44B065A0-382@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152378045.618247.72390@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Another reason to get Satellite Radio in your home and car. Whine if you want about the twelve dollars Satellite radio i think has waken up some of the radio stations . Around here regular radio has improved . We have plenty of music on AM now . Some people dont like satellite because it has no local programing . Some of their portable players have regular radios in them . XM is still 9.99 a month , i just renewed my sub . If you listen to the radio much at all and dont care to buy CD`s then satellite radio is very much worth the money . I think the tuners for XM are down to 20$ now . I dont know where the radio stations get there information on what to play . All i know is most people under 20 years old are happy with a couple very loud rock stations , 70`s stuff is back strong with the young ones . Most people over 20 or so dont care much for all the rock stuff . I think the songs played over regular radio stations has to be registered or something because there are tens of millions of songs that i have never heard on a radio . Article: 337050 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <12b0m56c9oikc5c@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Scott Phantom Restoration Now On Forum Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 02:29:09 GMT Hi! > http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=447013#447013 What an absolutely beautiful radio! If that tuned the 88-108 FM band, I'd love to find one. Maybe I'd love to find one even though it does not appear to! (Did anyone ever make a console that looked similar to this/other consoles of a similar timeframe and received the modern FM band?) William Article: 337051 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Look What I Bought Today for $70- Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:29:47 -0400 Message-ID: <12b0qh22uogad04@corp.supernews.com> References: <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com> <8gZrg.18115$f76.6593@dukeread06> "Ken" wrote in message news:8gZrg.18115$f76.6593@dukeread06... > There are lots of them around. 38-7 Chairsides? John H. Article: 337052 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Look What I Bought Today for $70 From: "Weldon Nudlpudl" References: <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 02:33:14 GMT On 8-Jul-2006, "Hagstar" wrote: > A Philco 38-7 chairside - > http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Philco&id=Philco38_7before1 > > I have the missing speaker too, I don't have a single Conehead-o-matic > Philco in my collection despite having and having had many Philcos. The dial > is really neat, and I've rarely if ever seen one for sale anywhere in a > chairside model. Have you considered painting it a lovely antique green? Article: 337053 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Circuits For The Hobbyst Bookmarking? From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: Message-ID: <03_rg.108933$mF2.79413@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 02:43:08 GMT On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 23:38:02 GMT, Ken wrote: > I can't bookmark this site 'Circuits for the Hobbyst by VA3AVR'that was > referred to by Jeffery Angus in the battery charging thread. Can this be > bookmarked or is it my pc? I just succeeded in bookmarking it. Those pages don't have any sort of funky JavaScript or somesuch, so your problem is not with them per se. Usually, when a browser refuses to do something, there is some other process obstructing it. See whether you have some pesky dialogue box lurking somewhere. Article: 337054 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "graham" References: <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Look What I Bought Today for $70- Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:03:50 -0700 Message-ID: "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com... >A Philco 38-7 chairside - > http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Philco&id=Philco38_7before1 > .. why would anybody spend $70.00 for that? Article: 337055 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack Message-ID: <8ms0b21cnghm0dd3cvu76pogku7q6bp3pj@4ax.com> References: <9PmdnelpabH62jbZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <8425-44AB5E31-1042@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:07:54 -0400 On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:37:37 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote: >I have found Deoxit totally usless for anything accept maybe using the >can to prop something up . Maybe you should try it as a suppository. It will probably clear up that cronic constipation you seem to suffer from. __________________________________________________________ KE4ODD Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to prove it. *Used with express written permission of its creator. Article: 337056 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: djep1@juno.com Subject: Re: RCA K105 "C" band antenna Date: 8 Jul 2006 20:18:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1152415127.659500.321920@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1151982847.090296.304860@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Thanks again to John, I fab'd an antenna, and posted the pix. I'll do the alignment (in the cabinet, the chassis is missing the "degree" scale off of the tuning cap drive) the pix are at: www.oldradiosrus.com/build.html Article: 337057 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Message-ID: <9et0b2t539e010lqr3u2l1vcaiovgg0bh8@4ax.com> References: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:20:20 -0400 So why did you run the stop sign with a cop watching? On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:39:31 GMT, "Gary Tayman" wrote: >I'll apologize in advance for the bandwidth of replies this will draw, but >here's a news story we've all been waiting to hear. > >First off, for what it's worth, last month I was driving downtown Sarasota, >actually following a police car. As I approached Palm Avenue, I saw the >police car turn into an alley -- that's when I noticed there were motorcycle >cops lined up, and others on Palm Avenue, basically ticketing everybody who >went through the intersection. Well, I pulled up to the intersection and >stopped. I waved another car to cross ahead of me, I waited for pedestrians >to cross the street in front of me, and when I looked to ensure the coast >was clear, I saw one the motorcycle guys looking at me. I asked myself what >he could possibly want -- I'm stopped, I let others go ahead of me, my turn >signal is on, heaven knows I wasn't speeding on this congested downtown >street. Oh well, the coast is clear so I'll go. Sure enough, he pulled me >over and gave me a ticket for not stopping! The story isn't over, I'm >taking it to court. > >In light of this, here's a news story -- in Cottageville, South Carolina, a >certain cop was ripped apart by the mayor and police chief for not writing >enough tickets. What none of them knew was that the cop's recording device >was on, and 23 minutes of the session was caught on tape! The cop later >quit, but somewhere along the line somebody found this recording and gave it >to the Charleston newspaper! The full story and recording can be found at >Post and Courier's Web site. > >Time to sit back and let the fur fly! __________________________________________________________ KE4ODD Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to prove it. *Used with express written permission of its creator. Article: 337058 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: <401-44B076B2-50@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: My little doggy,she is licking my face.(I need to shave,eh Blueberry doggy?) Ahhhhhhh,,,,,, I hate all commercials and advertisements. cuhulin Article: 337059 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:29:29 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B07819-281@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <44AF97B6.80C22345@earthlink.net> I say tell them cable and satellite tv ''providers'' to SHOVE IT! The Customer Is Always Right. cuhulin Article: 337060 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:32:24 -0500 Message-ID: <402-44B078C8-10@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: I wish when I first signed onto DirectTV,I had,,,,,,,, Nawwwww,,,, I wont say ''that one'' either. Maybe I am too sexy for me shirt? cuhulin Article: 337061 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: An offshoot of the AD skipping thread. Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:35:24 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B0797C-282@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: I have to say it,,,,,, I can ''see'' more in real life than anything tv can pour out.Oooops. cuhulin Article: 337062 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Look What I Bought Today for $70- From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:03:48 GMT In article <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com>, yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net says... > > >A Philco 38-7 chairside - >http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Philco&id=Philc o38_7before1 >Those four holes in the bottom horz. panel you see are NOT original though, >right John G. ? Thanks, > >John H. > > Yup 4 extra holes there for some reason ... Phono is a good guess I would think... still a nice buy ... don't particularily like the dials on these things.. but they are decent working radios. I had a Philco 38-7 console at Lansing this weekend.. no one wanted it for 40 bucks... nice original finish ... radio sort of works so you know it will be OK afer recap job ... brought it back home.. If someone had said... give U 30 for it they would have had it.. John k9uwa Article: 337063 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:02:29 GMT > I don't know which minor bit of knowledge will become the cornerstone > of the next revolution. But I can almost guarantee you it'll start out > as something thought to be useless. > About 250 years ago scientists were fooling around with basic electricity concepts. They probably thought it was just pure science with no practical uses. Now it's the backbone of the civilization. Article: 337064 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <5100b294jc09u79q1sg6vg5cpk06tbte35@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:07:01 GMT > Your _guess_ as to Einstein's opinion is poor evidence indeed. Further, in-so-far as Einstein was an old-fashioned socialist, we really wouldn't want to go by his pronouncements on economic matters even if you could extract them by way of your Ouiji board. Einstein's competences lay elsewhere. > Once heard that some people in Israel wanted Einstein to run for vice president or such there. He turn it down, saying that he didn't have that kind of skill vs his skills in physics Article: 337065 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:15:25 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Re: Look What I Bought Today for $70- References: <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > In article <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com>, yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net > says... > >> >>A Philco 38-7 chairside - >>http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Philco&id=Philc > > o38_7before1 > > >>Those four holes in the bottom horz. panel you see are NOT original though, >>right John G. ? Thanks, >> >>John H. >> >> > > Yup 4 extra holes there for some reason ... Phono is a good guess I > would think... still a nice buy ... don't particularily like the > dials on these things.. but they are decent working radios. > > I had a Philco 38-7 console at Lansing this weekend.. no one wanted > it for 40 bucks... nice original finish ... radio sort of works so you > know it will be OK afer recap job ... brought it back home.. If someone > had said... give U 30 for it they would have had it.. > > John k9uwa > > A shame, I've had a 38-4 and a 38-7, same dial and very similar console cabinets but one has a higher tube count. I like them. I would have taken it home for $30-40. Article: 337066 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:19:52 -0400 Message-ID: Our once-great WDET FM in Detroit lost all its daytime weekday music shows this year. This has been a tragic blow to me and Leann. Those 3 hours of adult alternative and "music variety" (jazz, rock, folk, country, blues, blends of all and you name it) every afternoon was just what we wanted to break up the news and talk shows. Plus the host kept us informed on new music releases and local appearances, festivals, etc. Now, the station is off most all week and we miss the special shows we like more often! We are just hoping they come to their senses and bring it back. But, supposedly the station got higher ratings recently. I cant believe it. Most of our friends are pretty upset about this change. But, we hang out with a pretty music savvy crowd. Mark Oppat "Beloved Leader" wrote in message news:1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > Another one bites the dust. Someday, iPods will be antiques. > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060707-7206.html > > ******************* > Technology forces Chicago radio station to confront change > 7/7/2006 9:47:32 AM, by Peter Pollack > > You can add radio to the list of media that will be facing new > challenges for survival in the face of new technology. For years, WBEZ > Chicago Public Radio has been a major home for jazz programming in that > city, with a full one-third of its weekday schedule devoted to music, > along with a bevy of music shows on the weekend. Next year, that era > will be coming to an end, as the station makes the switch to an a > news/talk/public affairs format. That change is in response to-among > other factors-altered listening habits as WBEZ's music audience > shifts to satellite radio and portable music players like the iPod. > > To be sure, not everyone is happy with the planned changes, and a > petition site has even been set up by listeners to protest WBEZ's new > focus. The station's shift leaves the third-largest US market filled > with little more than a collection of cookie-cutter music outlets owned > by corporate giants like Clear Channel, Infinity, and Bonneville. One > rare exception is WFMT, which plays mostly classical and is itself a > subsidiary of one of the local public television stations. > *********** > > Reuters: > http://today.reuters.com/stocks/QuoteCompanyNewsArticle.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-07-06T120050Z_01_N30272704_RTRIDST_0_LEISURE-RADIO-GENERAL-FEATURE.XML&rpc=66 > or > http://tinyurl.com/zh9hs > > **************** > FEATURE-Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod > > By Deborah Cohen > > CHICAGO, July 6 (Reuters) - The iPod and a growing need for local news > have done the unthinkable: They have cost Chicago, one of America's > great jazz cities, its last major source for jazz programming on local > radio. > > WBEZ, Chicago's National Public Radio (NPR) member station and among > the oldest public radio outlets in the United States, has decided to > scrap scheduled music programming -- the bulk of which was nightly jazz > -- and move to a 24-hour news and public affairs format. > **************** > > Article: 337067 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: RCA K105 "C" band antenna From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1151982847.090296.304860@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152415127.659500.321920@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:21:11 GMT In article <1152415127.659500.321920@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, djep1@juno.com says... > > > Thanks again to John, I fab'd an antenna, and posted the pix. I'll do >the alignment >(in the cabinet, the chassis is missing the "degree" scale off of the >tuning cap drive) > >the pix are at: www.oldradiosrus.com/build.html > Hi Jeff ... if you want the "Real Thing" send me your address... no one purchased the K105 at Lansing... so I junked it out for the chassis and speaker / bezel plate... think the dial was already cracked.. I pulled the antenna out of the roof of the cabinet if you want it and the little plug.. John k9uwa Article: 337068 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Scott Phantom Restoration Now On Forum References: <12b0m56c9oikc5c@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:22:47 GMT Hagstar wrote: > I'll put it on the binaries too soon- Right now wouldn't be too soon. ;-) Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337069 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1152361844.616908.127120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 04:26:58 GMT In article , billcohn1.comcast.net says... > > >I have restored one of these in the past and have not had a probelm. > >Regards, > >Bill Cohn - N9MHT Is there a chance that the voltage goes higher than the 450 for the cap for just a short period of time... diodes working... load zero since tubes not heated up yet?.. Have seen this with a few of these old radios we work on where even a tube rectifier system gets fired up too quickly ahead of the audio tubes... Sparton 301 goes way up above 450 before it drops back to normal operation.. maybe same thing with the transmitter? John k9uwa Article: 337070 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <8TGqg.1059414$xm3.631752@attbi_s21> <1152100312.637119.223290@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152143039.694207.241890@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Mark Finally has a Webpage up and running! Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:38:16 -0400 Message-ID: <8qOdnSWvuN8-Gi3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com> You bet, Eddie. Just send me an email with the pix and info. I'll get your stuff added. Mark Oppat "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1152143039.694207.241890@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Mark Oppat wrote: > > No, I know why I waited so long, and I wanted it to start in the summer... > > the slower season. Notice I didnt mention the website myself here... I > > was doing a "soft opening" on it...just to see how many orders came along > > and how many folks would find it. > > > > The Blais dials are picking up a lot since Rock Sea "closed for the > > summer"... but, the rumor is he has sold the whole thing now to Radio Daze > > (who bought his glass dial biz a few years ago, now they have the custom > > dial and plastic dial part). > > > > I get a lot of inquiries from customers who want a dial that has the correct > > color tone and transluscency. If its an RCA, Zenith or Philco dial, I > > usually have it. But, I can't make "custom" dials, or low demand types... > > mine are real silk screen printed, in batches, on real phenolic, with the > > color like you want it to be. Expensive to make and time consuming to cut > > them on a router and drill the holes....but, they are the real deal and > > worth the few extra bux. > > > > I hope to get many more pix on the site to show how extensive my parts stock > > is. Meantime, anyone reading here, just email your wants as per usual. I > > have an extensive tube stock, phono carts and needles, idler wheels for the > > real old changers, IF cans, knobs, you name it, just email your want list > > here and let me take a whack at it. > > > > Mark Oppat > > > oh my gosh...now mark will answer every post with "i have that on my > website, click here"....just kidding mark. would you like to be the > exclusive dealer on my SC mirror tops...or my AK breadboard display > stands? > > Article: 337071 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Scott Phantom Restoration Now On Forum Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:01:36 -0700 Message-ID: References: <12b0m56c9oikc5c@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > I'll put it on the binaries too soon- > > http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=447013#447013 > > John H. > > I have a chassis for one of these that I restored about five years ago (two more are in the queue). AWESOME radio, better than 90% of the dedicated communications receivers that have passed through my hands. Did you ever figure out a way to get at the paper caps under the bandswitch in the RF deck? I was forced to leave mine alone in this section because the prospect of accidentally breaking a wafer in that switch trying to get those caps out was just too frightening. I have questioned other owners of these sets and no one I talked to has ever attempted this, for similar reasons..... -Scott Article: 337072 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 02:19:34 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B0AE06-317@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: All your base are belong to us. cuhulin Article: 337073 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 02:18:09 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B0ADB1-316@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: Well,let me click on the NASA tv channel on DirecTV again.But I think Discovery is wayyyyyy up there,somewhere. cuhulin Article: 337074 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 02:22:28 -0500 Message-ID: <401-44B0AEB4-57@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: 250 years ago,,,, them scientist haden't seen my cute twenty year old girlfriend next door to me,yet. cuhulin Article: 337075 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 02:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B0AFC9-319@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <19261-44AFD84E-257@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> TAPS. cuhulin Article: 337076 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 02:25:04 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B0AF50-318@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <9et0b2t539e010lqr3u2l1vcaiovgg0bh8@4ax.com> SALUTE. cuhulin Article: 337077 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: For those who like political rants, here's a good one! Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 02:38:49 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B0B289-320@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <19261-44AFD84E-257@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> Damn cig lighter wont light.That woman in Petal,Mississippi told me to drag myself up by my nutsack and look in my kitchen cabinet.Brand new five pack of cig lighters in there and nary a one of them will light off either.y'all want a divorced 34 year old galfriend? She has a 13 year old daughter too. cuhulin Article: 337078 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Scott Phantom Restoration Now On Forum Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 04:20:19 -0400 Message-ID: <12b1f2ammhdu1b@corp.supernews.com> References: <12b0m56c9oikc5c@corp.supernews.com> "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message news:e8q9k0019kf@news2.newsguy.com... > Did you ever figure out a way to get at the paper caps under the > bandswitch in the RF deck? Yes, I took photos and wrote a detailed article I titled "ATTENTION SCOTT HARVEY" which I guess you missed. I will post it again. John H. Article: 337079 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Scott Phantom Restoration Now On Forum Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 04:23:41 -0400 Message-ID: <12b1f8jfpf2009c@corp.supernews.com> References: <12b0m56c9oikc5c@corp.supernews.com> Per Scott H. and others who have finished theirs these Phantoms DO pick up about half of all modern FM stations through accidental heterodyning. John H. Article: 337080 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <1152133245.632442.31270@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_B4rg.98643$mF2.41172@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <9g3sg.347310$Fs1.129911@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:38:29 GMT On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 04:02:29 GMT, robert casey wrote: > About 250 years ago scientists were fooling around with basic > electricity concepts. They probably thought it was just pure science > with no practical uses. Well, Franklin thought it a practical way of killing turkeys. More to the point, he drew an analogy between new inventions and new-born babies. He didn't embrace them inspite of thinking them impractical, but regarded them as of unknown potential. Article: 337081 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: 9 Jul 2006 05:18:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1152447490.479863.111710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> DeserTBoB wrote: > On 7 Jul 2006 07:06:11 -0700, "gerryu21220@gmail.com" > wrote: > > >Well, I tried flipping the switch over to magnetic, but that made the > >input too loud and extremely distorted, just as I thought it would. > >I'm just wondering if there is some way to boost the gain, bump up the > >bass and cut the treble to more "normal" levels. > > You seem to not know anything about RIAA equalization. I have a very basic understanding of the concept. I'm just an amatuer, not an electronics expert, a sound engineer, nor an audiophile. From what I've read, it's a bit like Dolby noise reduction... > Ceramics, > notably Sonotones, used the fact that ceramic cartridges' output > decreases almost linearly with increase in frequency to "phony up" an > equalization curve. That's why most cheap "consoles" had "midrangy" > sounding phonos...the lack of proper RIAA equalization in the preamp > would yield a response curve that, when including the natural rolloff > of any ceramic cartridge, would yield a "hump" right about the low > freq turnover frequency. A lot of consoles from the 1954-1964 period also had very good sound, and they used ceramic cartridges. So do many of the mono portable Hi-Fi suitcase and tabletop models. One in particular, a V-M 562, uses a Sonotone 2T, and it sounds great. Even more surprising, I have a Columbia 618 Suitcase (made by V-M) that uses a Ronette crystal cartridge that sounds fantastic for what it is. However, other ceramic cartridges of the mid-60s and later have a fuzzy sound. The terms "rolloff" and "turnover" don't mean anything to me. So far, I've not been able to find a clear, understandable definition of what those terms mean. > > Why are you messing around with these cheeseball ceramics and crystals > anyway? Just for the pure fun of it. Apparently, you're in the wrong group: This is rec.antiques.radio+phono, not some Hi-Fi artsy-fartsy audiophile group. If that were the case, I wouldn't own an Edison cylinder player or a Victrola! I like the way the vintage equipment looks, and enjoy the vintage sound. However, vintage does not mean dull, tinny, flat or otherwise crappy sound. I know this cartidge is capable of better sound, as it works well with other amps - nearly as good as a magnetic cartidge. The problem in this Silvertone amp seems to be with the pre-amp section. The radio is twice as loud, and I actually need to turn down the bass. But to play records, I have to turn the bass all the way up and cut the treble significantly and pump up the volume, and even then the bass is rather weak. Either the ceramic section of the pre-amp is not working, or it is poorly designed. If I forget and switch back to the radio without resetting the volume and tone controls, I have to peel myself off the ceiling... > They're record ruiners and sound like garbage, even with a > new stylus. Get a good, tough mag cartridge that can put up with a > clunker like a V-M changer and be done with it. Ceramics and crystals > only existed past the early '50s for one reason...they were cheap. I > routinely throw them away. Hell, throw them my way! I'm always searching for one to fit a particular tonearm. The hardest to locate are the turnover cartridges that have a needle on both sides and a shank that goes through the end of the tonearm. Sure, I can buy them for less than $20 online, but over time that adds up and can get expensive. I usually have to get the Sonotone cartridges from England. The V-M changers were the best of their type during that era. The ones that are really garbage are the BSR changers of the late 60s on up to the 80s. Total junk. As far ruining records, I don't care. I play the ones I buy from the thift store that are only 3/$1.00. Sometimes they're 6/$1.00 on half-price day. I often buy multiple copies: one to "save" if it's in near-mint condition, and one or two to play on the vintage changers. I play my "good" records on a modern, professional turntable. That's all fine and dandy, but no where near as much fun as piling a stack of records on a cool-looking changer and listening to them the way most people did 50 years ago. No, they don't sound like modern audiophile mega-$$$ eqiuipment, but they are capable of sounding pretty damned good for 50 year-old equipment. There's just something about the pre-amp in this unit that just doesn't seem to be working as it should. If I wanted to use a magnetic cartridge, I would simply attach a more modern changer. It wouldn't look as nice, and I would lose the ability to simply flip the needle or cartridge over for 78s. I like the Sonotone cartridges, but if I have to, I'll replace this one with one that has a higher voltage output. Now that I think about it, I do have one V-M changer that uses a high-output stereo Ronette cartridge. The only drawback there is that the tonearm is wider and not the streamlined look of the earlier 1200 series changers. So, if that works, I'll just have to settle for a compromise. Gerry Article: 337082 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: 9 Jul 2006 05:45:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1152449106.355885.235060@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> gerryu21220@gmail.com wrote: > One in particular, a V-M 562, uses a Sonotone 2T, and it sounds great. Correction: The V-M 562 Hi-Fi uses an Astatic N54 cartridge. I have so many, I got them mixed up! Gerry Article: 337083 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1b30b2d72knfcisgdkkjgursa55m56eb0d@4ax.com> <1152447490.479863.111710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 05:45:34 -0700 Message-ID: > The terms "rolloff" and "turnover" don't mean anything to me. > So far, I've not been able to find a clear, understandable > definition of what those terms mean. In phono EQ, the bass is cut and the treble boosted during recording. This is reversed in playback. The frequency at which bass boost begins is called the turnover frequency; the response rises at 6dB/8ve below that point. The frequency at which treble cut begins is called the rolloff frequency; the response falls at 6dB/8ve above that point. That's as simple as I can get without going into network theory. Article: 337084 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" Subject: TV Test Patterns Message-ID: <617sg.48982$W97.11310@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:55:30 GMT A while back, someone in the group made a download available that when burned to a DVD would provide test patterns. I've lost the link. Does anyone have it bookmarked? Jon Article: 337085 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: <21080-44B0FC73-46@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <9g3sg.347310$Fs1.129911@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> About three thousand years ago in Egypt,they were using a crude battery of sorts.Yes,it is the Truth. cuhulin Article: 337086 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:57:05 -0500 Message-ID: <21079-44B0FD21-274@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <9g3sg.347310$Fs1.129911@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> I have a thick hardback book floating around somewhere in my house about Chinese inventions.Check with your local area book stores for the book.It is interesting,to say the least. cuhulin Article: 337087 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DumpsterDiver" Subject: Testing Antique Tubes, Question Date: 9 Jul 2006 06:08:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1152450503.788739.295270@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Anybody know what the "G.M. CENTERING" adjustment indicates when testing "antique" filament type triodes like 201, 71, 26, 2A3, etc.? Most tubes I check on the trusty Cardmatic are no problem, but a significant number of perfectly good tubes test "BAD" because I can't get the meter needle to zero with no grid signal using the "CENTERING" pot. When I test these tubes using a TV-2, they typically test OK, but I have to adjust the centering pot way off the "normal" mark (usually counter clockwise) to zero the meter before applying the grid signal. Apparently, the TV-2 tube tester has a wider range of centering adjustment than the Cardmatic. I have not, so far, noticed any performance differences using these these "off center" tubes in my radios. I suspect that I might see a problem in a push-pull amplifier application, but I have never tried this. So, what the heck is going on here? What tube parameters are reflected in the "centering" adjustment? And, does it matter? I wonder what kind of test result I'd get with these "eccentric" tubes on a mutual conductance tester like a TV-7 or Hickok that has no "centering" adjustment? Thanks for any enlightenment, DD Article: 337088 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <9g3sg.347310$Fs1.129911@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <21080-44B0FC73-46@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:14:01 GMT On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 12:54:11 GMT, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > About three thousand years ago in Egypt,they were using a crude battery > of sorts.Yes,it is the Truth. Well, it's at least very probable that both in Aegypt and in Babylon they were playing with batteries. And some people have noted that the Ark of the Covenant could describe a high-voltage capacitor, and that the Tabernacle could have been used to charge it. Article: 337089 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: 9 Jul 2006 06:23:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1152451413.198784.167040@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> It's all been for nothing; what should have been 8" woofers turned out to be dual-cone full-range speakers. I have no idea why the previous owner added a separate tweeter... I ended up pulling them out and installing the 80s vintage woofer and tweeter with the single 4uf capacitor. Even though they're 80s speakers, they pretty much replicate the 50s/60s era speakers, and they sound just the way I wanted! The good thing is, the woofers have cloth surrounds rather than foam, so no worries about the foam rotting. I've been looking for a set of dual-cone full-range 8 Ohm speakers, so now I have them and will use them in another project. Thanks anyway guys. Gerry Article: 337090 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:55:19 -0500 Message-ID: <21079-44B10AC7-279@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: And that cute twentys something girl moving in next door to me.I dont how to describe it,but ahe and I wink at each other like crazy,when her boyfriend isn't looking. cuhulin Article: 337091 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:04:01 -0500 Message-ID: <21079-44B10CD1-280@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <8ms0b21cnghm0dd3cvu76pogku7q6bp3pj@4ax.com> I am not constipated,I dont need any suspositories. cuhulin ....................................................... Shes complicated,,,,,,,,, gave me a Mule to rideeeeeeee,,,,,,,, ................................................... www.us963.com Jacksonnnnnnnnn Article: 337092 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <1152281171.911914.250990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <5cUrg.95981$nd1.713591@wagner.videotron.net> Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Message-ID: <2L8sg.8738$PD2.48796@weber.videotron.net> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:55:00 -0400 "John Byrns" wrote in message news:jbyrns-0807062002370001@216-80-74-185.s185.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <5cUrg.95981$nd1.713591@wagner.videotron.net>, "Syl" > wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> You stole my words, exactly. I couldn't say it better. >> >> I will stop posting in this thread as it will get nowhere as usual. >> Discussions with William are a one way street, unfortunately. >> >> Only thing I can suggest to William is some readings on the subject, >> and some hands-on experience...RDH4 is on my website and there >> is an interesting section on the subject (somewhat limited but it's a >> start). >> >> Haven't seen you much around lately, hope all is well. > > Hi Syl, > > Yes, all is well with the family and I, thanks for inquiring. > > Of course there are always a few minor annoyances to cope with, the > current one being that my web pages died on or around July 4th. You are a > knowledgeable computer guy, I have a gut feeling that I am going to have > to find someone new to host my web pages, do you have any > recommendations? The service should be cost effective, include at least > 20 megabytes of space, support multiple counters, and provide full > statistics on page accesses. > > > Regards, > > John Byrns > > > Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ John, Contact me at syl at oldradioz dot com Syl Article: 337093 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: LANSING REPORT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:26:18 -0400 Message-ID: <-6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com> Well, just got back from Lansing late last night and I thought I'd be the first to make a report... First of all, saw MANY friends there and made a few new ones I hope too. The regulars included my buddy Dan Gutowski (RCA and communications gear collector) , Don Patterson of GA (former Radio Age publisher and Ozarka expert), Dennis Smith (noted Detrola expert), Bill Timoszyk (long time radio dealer and local buddy), Gary Schneider of Playthings of Past in Cleveland, Alan Jesperson (Zenith expert and radio dealer), John Wynne of Signal Mt Tn, AWA president Geoff Bourne (sp?) , longtime Zenith collector Frank Rasada of CA, and many many more! Attendance might have been down a little, as was sellers but you'd hardly know by all the activity! It almost seemed to me like there was still the same amount of STUFF there! All the seminars were well attended (RCA/Philco expert Doug Houston and my seminars were full.. about 40 attendees each). The social night ("Radio Reception") had about 300 folks (all the tables were filled) and the Philco display was fantastic. Some of the rarest and most desirable Philcos were on display including a Model 46 110v DC cathedral (!), the super deco 201X high fidelity console (the 200X was there too!) and the two 20 tube "Philco Strat" consoles (37-690 and 38-690). The regular auction had a large estate of radios added in plus two significant features, an Air King plaskon tombstone and a Motorola circle grille Catalin. Looked like over 250 individual lots to me, but I dont know for sure. Many consoles went for under $60, and they were not shabby sets. The final "Good Buy Affair" auction ran from 5:30-7:30pm outside under the huge tent and tons of stuff went for mere dollar bids. There was a 37-9 console (no knobs or speaker) for $5 I think, a few 19" equipment boxes with lids (great for your comm gear) for $5ea, tape recorders, transformers, boxes of tubes, CB equipment, telephone stuff, power supplies, table radios by the dozens, and some mystery stuff that I have no idea what was.... and, I was the auctioneer! I dont have a tally but I think we raised about $600 there for MARC. Bret Menassa of "Bret's Old Radios" (who produces the great 3 CD's of radio restoration was at Lansing filming for a new CD on the great swaps of the USA and radio collecting. I got to participate in a neat little confab after the Radio Reception with several long time collectors talking about the future of the hobby and where its been as well. If you were one of the attendees, lets here your report here! Thanks to all who came and lets all mark Bolingbrook and Kutztown on our schedules if you can make it.... the swaps are still the best way to enjoy this great hobby! Mark Oppat Antique Audio www.oldradioparts.net Article: 337094 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Sound editing software Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 16:41:07 GMT In the past we've talked somewhat about computer software for working with/cleaning up old recordings. Personally I bought Sound Forge 5.0 several years ago and have used it extensively for cutting/pasting/mixing audio. However one day I upgraded my computer, and when I went to install the Sound Forge, it asked for my serial number (which I could not find). So I did the next best thing -- I found a bootleg copy and installed that (which happened to be version 7). All was well until today. Out of nowhere I got an error message stating that I have to register online to continue using the mp3 plugin -- and it pretty much locked up on me. So -- either there is a timeout on its use, or else some type of spyware must have determined that I was using an unregistered copy. Imagine, I'm unregistered, but I get continual e-mails >from Sony/Sound Forge about new products, from registering the FIRST time! The good news -- since that last time I've cleaned the shop, and have found the "key" to the install. So once again I'm in business, albeit with version 5. But all this raises my curiosity -- what other programs are out there that you recommend? In my opinion, Sound Forge is great for cutting/editing, but seems to be lacking when it comes to reducing noise or fixing other abnormalities. Next time I update, it may be to something else -- or something to complement this one. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 337095 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: TV Test Patterns Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:30:06 -0700 Message-ID: References: <617sg.48982$W97.11310@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Jon wrote: > A while back, someone in the group made a download available that when > burned to a DVD would provide test patterns. I've lost the link. Does anyone > have it bookmarked? > > Jon > > That was me..... http://techpreservation.dyndns.org -Scott Article: 337096 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Scott Phantom Restoration Now On Forum Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:40:51 -0700 Message-ID: References: <12b0m56c9oikc5c@corp.supernews.com> <12b1f8jfpf2009c@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > Per Scott H. and others who have finished theirs these Phantoms DO pick up > about half of all modern FM stations through accidental heterodyning. > > John H. > > Incredibly well, too...These prewar Scott sets actually receive the stations they do receive (up to 95 Mhz or so, IIRC) better than many early postwar sets with a "legit" 88 to 108 Mhz FM band. The only anomoly is that Scott chose to limit the frequency response on FM to 10 Khz, mighty good for radio in those days but somewhat lacking by contemporary stadards. Still, I was amazed at the performance of this radio on all bands, and still am. Scott knew how to build 'em right! -Scott Article: 337097 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Sound editing software References: Message-ID: <1Rasg.21769$Z67.21730@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 17:15:41 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > But all this raises my curiosity -- what other programs are out there that > you recommend? Rip Vinyl, and Wave Corrector. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337098 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Radio Rambler Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:46:53 -0400 Message-ID: <4hctogF1qpuo5U1@individual.net> References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> gerryu21220@gmail.com wrote: > I recently bought a Sears Silvertone amp and tuner, pulled from a > Silvertone model 7408. Made a new cabinet for it (see other thread > about "Silvertone Console"). The radio plays with a rich, full sound > and lots of deep bass. It has a phono input that can accept a ceramic > or magnetic phono cartridge, with a switch to set it either way. Well, > I connected a VM turntable with a Sonotone 8T cartridge. On most amps > I've used it with, it sounds great for a ceramic cart. However on the > Silvertone, it sounds rather thin and flat, with fairly low volume (as > compared to the radio). Is there any way to boost the sound output of > the cartridge, increasing the volume and bass? On other amps, it > sounds nearly as good as magnetic. I even have a few Ronette crystal > cartridges that are better-sounding when paired with the amps they came > with. I love the vintage look and style of the VM turntable, and I > know the cartridge is capable of better sound quality. There is also a > slight hum, even though there is a ground connected to the chassis of > the turntable through the left channel ground. The amp sounds okay > with a magnetic phono, but I'd rather continue using the VM. There is > also a tape input on the amp. Could I somehow make it work through > there? Any suggestions? > > Gerry Gerry in regards to this silvertone amp, it sounds to me like it requires a "high output" crystal cartridge on the ceramic input. there is a way to change that, but you will need to do some modifications to the phono input circuit. Q: does this amp use the same pair of jacks (L+R) for both magnetic or ceramic cartridges & uses a switch to choose the type of input (Mag / Cer)? if so, there are a couple of resistors that are attached to that switch that you can change that will let you change the input impedence so you can use that lower output cartridge. if you would look behind the chassis apron at the switch & describe what resistors are physically connected & their values & post a reply, i can advise which ones to change. -- The Shadow Knows Article: 337099 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Sonotone "Velocitone" schematic Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:30:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: <5vidnSPamKOCJjLZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:04:44 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote: >My speculation, in my previous post, about the Sonotone "Network For >Ceramic Input" was wrong. Further analysis shows that this network >depresses the response in the area between 50 and 500 Hz. Figures that Byrns would waste time "analyzing" junk like this. SCRAP THE CERAMIC..go magnetic. Most Sonotones were "record ruiners" due to their horrid compliance and need for heavy tracking force. The only parameter of their design and manufacturing was that they be cheap...less than a buck a unit. >> It's normal for the L and R outputs of any pickup to vary in level and >> frequency response. > >True enough, but what does that have to do with the topic under >discussion? On the cheap piece of crap cartridge like almost any ceramic or crystal, it is. Even a Stanton 500E, one of the cheesiest mag cartridges ever built, has both channels within about 1.5 dB of each other...and that cartridge is a "sled!" > If it relates to my question about the response graph the >network schematics are drawn over, my question related to which of the two >networks response was depicted by the graph, the "ceramic input" or the >"magnetic input" network? Get a life...Sonotones and other such junk should not be analyzed, but rather smashed to bits with a hammer so they cannot ruin good disks anymore. The exeption is when one wants a "correct" cartridge on a restoration...but not for real use. Article: 337100 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Radio Rambler Subject: Re: Sound editing software Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:52:56 -0400 Message-ID: <4hcu3qF1qpuo5U2@individual.net> References: Gary Tayman wrote: > In the past we've talked somewhat about computer software for working > with/cleaning up old recordings. > > Personally I bought Sound Forge 5.0 several years ago and have used it > extensively for cutting/pasting/mixing audio. However one day I upgraded > my computer, and when I went to install the Sound Forge, it asked for my > serial > number (which I could not find). So I did the next best thing -- I found > a bootleg copy and installed that (which happened to be version 7). > > All was well until today. Out of nowhere I got an error message stating > that I have to register online to continue using the mp3 plugin -- and it > pretty much locked up on me. So -- either there is a timeout on its use, > or else some type of spyware must have determined that I was using an > unregistered copy. Imagine, I'm unregistered, but I get continual e-mails > from Sony/Sound Forge about new products, from registering the FIRST time! > > The good news -- since that last time I've cleaned the shop, and have > found > the "key" to the install. So once again I'm in business, albeit with > version 5. > > But all this raises my curiosity -- what other programs are out there that > you recommend? In my opinion, Sound Forge is great for cutting/editing, > but seems to be lacking when it comes to reducing noise or fixing other > abnormalities. Next time I update, it may be to something else -- or > something to complement this one. > > Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ -- The Shadow Knows Article: 337101 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Cartrivision1" Subject: FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: 9 Jul 2006 11:04:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW Portable Radio w/ all Manuals. To view auction follow link below: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140004341552&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=004 thanks, CTV Article: 337102 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Uncle Peter" References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:16:34 -0400 "Cartrivision1" wrote in message news:1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW Portable Radio w/ all > Manuals. To view auction follow link below: > You're feedback SUCKS bigtime, dude. Article: 337103 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: norml Subject: Re: TV Test Patterns Message-ID: References: <617sg.48982$W97.11310@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:23:47 GMT "Jon" wrotf: >A while back, someone in the group made a download available that when >burned to a DVD would provide test patterns. I've lost the link. Does anyone >have it bookmarked? > >Jon > My gift this year is a video test pattern DVD for alignment and enjoyment of vintage TV sets. Most of the popular ones are on the disc, including (of course) the classic indian head and color bar patterns. I tried to offer something like this a couple of years ago, but for a variety of technical and logistical reasons, it was not a successful effort at that time. I have now cleared all the hurdles that confounded me the last time, and now have a disc and process that should work for just about everyone now. The disc can be obtained and used almost immediately because you download and burn it using your own computer.....No need to wait for the post office to deliver it! Further details are on my revamped website at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Click on "TEST PATTERN DVD" for instructions on how to download, make and use the DVD. -Scott Article: 337104 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <-6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: LANSING REPORT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:43:16 -0400 Message-ID: OOPS forgot to mention John and Jean Goller were there, too with a huge pile of very reasonably priced sets!!! Mark Oppat "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:-6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Well, just got back from Lansing late last night and I thought I'd be the > first to make a report... > > First of all, saw MANY friends there and made a few new ones I hope too. > The regulars included my buddy Dan Gutowski (RCA and communications gear > collector) , Don Patterson of GA (former Radio Age publisher and Ozarka > expert), Dennis Smith (noted Detrola expert), Bill Timoszyk (long time > radio dealer and local buddy), Gary Schneider of Playthings of Past in > Cleveland, Alan Jesperson (Zenith expert and radio dealer), John Wynne of > Signal Mt Tn, AWA president Geoff Bourne (sp?) , longtime Zenith collector > Frank Rasada of CA, and many many more! Attendance might have been down a > little, as was sellers but you'd hardly know by all the activity! It almost > seemed to me like there was still the same amount of STUFF there! > > All the seminars were well attended (RCA/Philco expert Doug Houston and my > seminars were full.. about 40 attendees each). The social night ("Radio > Reception") had about 300 folks (all the tables were filled) and the Philco > display was fantastic. Some of the rarest and most desirable Philcos were on > display including a Model 46 110v DC cathedral (!), the super deco 201X > high fidelity console (the 200X was there too!) and the two 20 tube "Philco > Strat" consoles (37-690 and 38-690). > > The regular auction had a large estate of radios added in plus two > significant features, an Air King plaskon tombstone and a Motorola circle > grille Catalin. Looked like over 250 individual lots to me, but I dont know > for sure. Many consoles went for under $60, and they were not shabby sets. > > The final "Good Buy Affair" auction ran from 5:30-7:30pm outside under the > huge tent and tons of stuff went for mere dollar bids. There was a 37-9 > console (no knobs or speaker) for $5 I think, a few 19" equipment boxes > with lids (great for your comm gear) for $5ea, tape recorders, > transformers, boxes of tubes, CB equipment, telephone stuff, power supplies, > table radios by the dozens, and some mystery stuff that I have no idea what > was.... and, I was the auctioneer! I dont have a tally but I think we > raised about $600 there for MARC. > > Bret Menassa of "Bret's Old Radios" (who produces the great 3 CD's of radio > restoration was at Lansing filming for a new CD on the great swaps of the > USA and radio collecting. I got to participate in a neat little confab > after the Radio Reception with several long time collectors talking about > the future of the hobby and where its been as well. > > If you were one of the attendees, lets here your report here! > > Thanks to all who came and lets all mark Bolingbrook and Kutztown on our > schedules if you can make it.... the swaps are still the best way to enjoy > this great hobby! > > Mark Oppat > Antique Audio > www.oldradioparts.net > > > > Article: 337105 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: <617sg.48982$W97.11310@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Subject: Re: TV Test Patterns Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:59:21 GMT That's the one. Thanks! Jon "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message news:e8ratt01hm4@news1.newsguy.com... > Jon wrote: >> A while back, someone in the group made a download available that when >> burned to a DVD would provide test patterns. I've lost the link. Does >> anyone have it bookmarked? >> >> Jon > That was me..... > > http://techpreservation.dyndns.org > > -Scott From babushka{AT}dom{DOT}com Thu Jul 13 01:39:50 EDT 2006 Article: 337106 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:00:21 -0500 From: "Bob" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono References: <44B01C21.E37EC970@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: More sensitivity? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:00:18 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.162.7.235 X-Trace: sv3-FjtpqkjdxsHbYPmH0mU8UEyYmBsH+F8uNVmTexstqCV4d5ffnyg8gXUV1ApEuKqyfMhG1iftj6xR30z!ud6BPuvIkBkCcUNE/RRB5t+30SYAzUVOQztrjqhB50n4+bOKGzzT0+bo7HaY860eLCDgk63DAAgt!mMWME8A= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!bcklog1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337106 If the radio is selective at the higher end of the band (ie...1400 to 1600), but is not so selective at the lower end (ie...560 - 1000), is there something that can be done to improve this radio? "Bob" wrote in message news:BrGdnTNX-4h43C3ZnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >I don't know...nothing else to do... > > > > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message > news:44B01C21.E37EC970@earthlink.net... >> Bob wrote: >>> >>> Is there anyway to make a radio have better selectivity? Why would the >>> same manufacture make one radio "so so" and then another model "hot", >>> with >>> all kinds of selectivity and sensitivity? Is the difference in the >>> design >>> or the parts that are used? >> >> >> Why did you post the same question twice, with two different subject >> lines? >> >> >> -- >> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to >> prove it. >> Member of DAV #85. >> >> Michael A. Terrell >> Central Florida > > Article: 337107 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Zenith console identification and parts source Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 19:45:18 GMT First I should introduce myself since I'm new to the group. I'm 27, work in the software industry and live near Seattle, WA. I've had a lifelong interest in electricity and electronics and followed the Antique Radio column in Radio Electronics for years until the magazine went out of publication. I've wanted to restore an old radio for quite some time but haven't had one. On the way home yesterday I happened to stop at a garage sale and imagine my surprise when I found a number of old radios. One was a large Zenith console, the price said $100 but he offered it for $75 when he saw me looking at it. All I had on me though was $52 so he took that and I loaded the radio in the car and drove home happily with my new treasure. So first of all I'm looking to get some more information on what it is and approximately when it was made. A picture of it is here http://sparcbox.hopto.org/pics/radio.jpg I'm also a little curious approximately how much this sort of thing is worth, though I don't intend to sell it. Next, there's a few parts I'm obviously going to need, namely the three knobs surrounding the dial and the dial glass which is also missing. Internally things look relatively intact, all the tubes are there and aside from the line cord having been replaced it doesn't look like anything has been mucked with. Obviously it will need all new electrolytics and wax capacitors, I intend to carefully gut those and put modern ones inside them. In a bit here I'll check the tubes since I happened to have borrowed a tube tester for something else recently which I'll need to give back soon. A few of the tubes have metal bottles, I'm assuming those are not the original style? Some of them are still the old bulged tubular things though which are my favorite style. I've purchased odds & ends from Antique Electronic Supply in the past, are there any other good places to find things aside from Ebay? Once I get the electrical side of things in tiptop condition I'll get started on the relatively straightforward cosmetic restoration. Thanks in advance for any information you guys can provide. Article: 337108 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: Charging batteries References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:52:09 -0400 Gary Tayman wrote: > I've got what I hope isn't a silly question. > > What's the best way to charge a battery? I have a gel cell rated at 12 > volts, 7.5 a/h. I bought it awhile ago, and want to keep it fully > charged -- it's a great tool; not only does it provide power and isolation > for car radios, but on certain wonderbar types it's needed for that big > return solenoid. Sometimes the 10 amp bench supply isn't enough for this. > > In any case, how do I go about charging? So far, the best way I've seen is > to connect it to the bench power supply, and adjust the output voltage so > there is about 1/4 amp flowing into the battery -- and check back really > often. But what SHOULD I be doing? Should I use a higher voltage and a > resistor? what's a safe current to adjust for? I'm open to ideas. > > Gary, How I charge my 12v 7amp gel cells is use a 12vac 1 amp wall transformer and a full wave bridge only, no filter capacitor. If you don't the transformer in question, I can send you one for postage only. Regards, Sal Brisindi http://www.tuberadios.com Article: 337109 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Charging batteries Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:31:05 -0700 Message-ID: <18314-44B16789-255@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Sal B.: >How I charge my 12v 7amp gel cells is >use a 12vac 1 amp wall transformer and >a full wave bridge only, no filter >capacitor. If you don't the transformer in >question, I can send you one for postage >only. How long have you been doing this? Have you measured the actual peak DC the wallwart puts out? I destroyed two 12V 7ah gelcells doing this with an unregulated, unfiltered wallwart, peak output was about 17V. Trickle was about 200ma. The first battery got up to about 15.5V and was toast. The second time, i thought i was "smart" enough to watch it and not let it get that high, but forgot and left it overnight. Second battery was toast. That's when i wised up and built a float charger to keep the voltage clamped to 13.8V. Batteries have been very happy ever since. Have you read the previous posts in this thread about the need for float charging gelcells? oc Article: 337110 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: 9 Jul 2006 13:44:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1152477873.122375.10840@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: James Sweet wrote: > First I should introduce myself since I'm new to the group. I'm 27, work > in the software industry and live near Seattle, WA. I've had a > lifelong interest in electricity and electronics and followed the > Antique Radio column in Radio Electronics for years until the magazine > went out of publication. I've wanted to restore an old radio for quite > some time but haven't had one. > > On the way home yesterday I happened to stop at a garage sale and > imagine my surprise when I found a number of old radios. One was a large > Zenith console, the price said $100 but he offered it for $75 when he > saw me looking at it. All I had on me though was $52 so he took that and > I loaded the radio in the car and drove home happily with my new treasure. > > So first of all I'm looking to get some more information on what it is > and approximately when it was made. A picture of it is here > > http://sparcbox.hopto.org/pics/radio.jpg > > I'm also a little curious approximately how much this sort of thing is > worth, though I don't intend to sell it. > > Next, there's a few parts I'm obviously going to need, namely the three > knobs surrounding the dial and the dial glass which is also missing. > > Internally things look relatively intact, all the tubes are there and > aside from the line cord having been replaced it doesn't look like > anything has been mucked with. Obviously it will need all new > electrolytics and wax capacitors, I intend to carefully gut those and > put modern ones inside them. In a bit here I'll check the tubes since I > happened to have borrowed a tube tester for something else recently > which I'll need to give back soon. A few of the tubes have metal > bottles, I'm assuming those are not the original style? Some of them are > still the old bulged tubular things though which are my favorite style. > > I've purchased odds & ends from Antique Electronic Supply in the past, > are there any other good places to find things aside from Ebay? Once I > get the electrical side of things in tiptop condition I'll get started > on the relatively straightforward cosmetic restoration. > > Thanks in advance for any information you guys can provide. welcome. you did quite well for 52.00. it's a 1938 shutterdial. (the proper zenith name is "robot dial) appears to be a 7 tuber. not sure of the model #. a quick internet search should give you the #, or i am sure someone here has seen the cabinet, or has one. the knobs will cost you more than you paid for the radio. although this is not one of the high end shutterdials, all of them are desireable sets. i would say 2-300.00 would be a good guess on the value. little less with the missing knobs. this will be a good set for your first resto. lots of room uner the chassis and easy to work on. should be a nice set restored. Article: 337111 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <5vidnSPamKOCJjLZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Sonotone "Velocitone" schematic Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:50:02 -0400 Message-ID: <482dnWLOkpL59izZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com> Bob, leave out the insults and leave in the on-topic content. My comment is that you lump all Sonotones into one shitty bag. Because you are thinking only of their cheapo stuff like what is in most "Close and play" type units. This is wrong. Sonotone made some "hi fi" type, better cartridges of that era. I dont recall all the types but I have a bunch of them NOS here. Some type #'s I recall are 14T 29T 35TS, etc. Mark Oppat "DeserTBoB" wrote in message news:que2b29rbka83cln36lsfhhf0d09n6ofeb@4ax.com... > On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:04:44 -0500, jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote: > > >My speculation, in my previous post, about the Sonotone "Network For > >Ceramic Input" was wrong. Further analysis shows that this network > >depresses the response in the area between 50 and 500 Hz. > > Figures that Byrns would waste time "analyzing" junk like this. > > SCRAP THE CERAMIC..go magnetic. Most Sonotones were "record ruiners" > due to their horrid compliance and need for heavy tracking force. The > only parameter of their design and manufacturing was that they be > cheap...less than a buck a unit. > > >> It's normal for the L and R outputs of any pickup to vary in level and > >> frequency response. > > > >True enough, but what does that have to do with the topic under > >discussion? > > On the cheap piece of crap cartridge like almost any ceramic or > crystal, it is. Even a Stanton 500E, one of the cheesiest mag > cartridges ever built, has both channels within about 1.5 dB of each > other...and that cartridge is a "sled!" > > > If it relates to my question about the response graph the > >network schematics are drawn over, my question related to which of the two > >networks response was depicted by the graph, the "ceramic input" or the > >"magnetic input" network? > > Get a life...Sonotones and other such junk should not be analyzed, but > rather smashed to bits with a hammer so they cannot ruin good disks > anymore. The exeption is when one wants a "correct" cartridge on a > restoration...but not for real use. > Article: 337112 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Dave Subject: Need Schematic and Info on RCA A-203A/SR Receiver Message-ID: <04esg.26147$8q.11208@dukeread08> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:56:27 -0700 I picked up an RCA A-203A/SR Receiver and a pretty awful (the price was right) looking but appears to be complete AR-77 at the Williams Arizona hamfest on Friday. No problem finding info on the AR-77 but have found nothing on the RCA A-203A/SR Receiver other than a mention in the Osterman book. This one is complete except missing the dial cover and dial scale. From the picture in the book looks to be a fragile plastic easily broken and easily lost dial. The pointer is still there. The radio appears complete in all other aspects however it has been painted silver. Why did people do these things? When I got my Breting 12, it had been painted blue. Anyway, I am looking for a schematic or manual or any other documentation on the RCA A-203A/SR Receiver. Does anybody have one that has the original dial that they might be able to take a photo of and e-mail me. Also, what was the original color before it was "silver plated?" Also looking for any comments, positive or negative on this receiver. Tnx and 73, Dave N7RK remove nospam to reply Article: 337113 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: 9 Jul 2006 14:18:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1152479929.178393.78820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: James, Welcome to the world of Antique Radio Restoration. There are many people on here who can give you good advice for restoring old sets like the one you have. I've relied several times on the group and it it wasn't for them, the sets wouldn't be working as well as they are. You did excellent on the set. This is a Zenith Shutter Dial set from the previous mentioned year. Whether or not it's working, or what sort of condition it's in you did not mention. Most all will need their paper capacitors replaced as they're prone to failure first. Tubes are not very critical and are over rated for going bad. To me the obvious thing that's WRONG with this set is the grill cloth. If you're doing your own cabinet restoration you can get a reproduction and easily replace what's on there now. I own a simular set I've restored, a 9S262. Feel free to EMAIL me anytime at n9vu at yahoo dot com I may be able to give you some advice on what to look for, or where to start. Take care, Gary James Sweet wrote: > First I should introduce myself since I'm new to the group. I'm 27, work > in the software industry and live near Seattle, WA. I've had a > lifelong interest in electricity and electronics and followed the > Antique Radio column in Radio Electronics for years until the magazine > went out of publication. I've wanted to restore an old radio for quite > some time but haven't had one. > > On the way home yesterday I happened to stop at a garage sale and > imagine my surprise when I found a number of old radios. One was a large > Zenith console, the price said $100 but he offered it for $75 when he > saw me looking at it. All I had on me though was $52 so he took that and > I loaded the radio in the car and drove home happily with my new treasure. > > So first of all I'm looking to get some more information on what it is > and approximately when it was made. A picture of it is here > > http://sparcbox.hopto.org/pics/radio.jpg > > I'm also a little curious approximately how much this sort of thing is > worth, though I don't intend to sell it. > > Next, there's a few parts I'm obviously going to need, namely the three > knobs surrounding the dial and the dial glass which is also missing. > > Internally things look relatively intact, all the tubes are there and > aside from the line cord having been replaced it doesn't look like > anything has been mucked with. Obviously it will need all new > electrolytics and wax capacitors, I intend to carefully gut those and > put modern ones inside them. In a bit here I'll check the tubes since I > happened to have borrowed a tube tester for something else recently > which I'll need to give back soon. A few of the tubes have metal > bottles, I'm assuming those are not the original style? Some of them are > still the old bulged tubular things though which are my favorite style. > > I've purchased odds & ends from Antique Electronic Supply in the past, > are there any other good places to find things aside from Ebay? Once I > get the electrical side of things in tiptop condition I'll get started > on the relatively straightforward cosmetic restoration. > > Thanks in advance for any information you guys can provide. Article: 337114 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: 9 Jul 2006 14:29:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1152480579.642884.109290@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Sorry, didn't see you did mention the condition. Looks like it's got potential. The only time these sets propose a "challenge" is when the previous owner modified the crap out of it to the point where you have to really dig into a schematic, go around they're mods, and bring it back to normal. It doesn't sound that way according to your description. Repro stuff is available for these sets from Alan Jesperson of Minn including all knobs you will need. I'm not certain about the dial glass, but I know repros may be available for these as well. Take care, GB Article: 337115 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "term" Subject: Emerson bf204 Date: 9 Jul 2006 15:04:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1152482698.012975.306040@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Hi, Just aquired an Emerson BF204. Anyone have any info on this one. Can't even find a schematic or anything on it. Article: 337116 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44B17F38.10001@nospam_cox.net> From: Dave Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source References: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:12:08 -0700 Hi James - I was able to get the dial glass for a Monkey Ward's Airline console I restored from a local clock restoration parts dealer. It was very inexpesive - under $10 about 2 years ago. This was the place if you can not find the glass locally. http://www.timesavers.com/ Have fun! Dave N7RK James Sweet wrote: > First I should introduce myself since I'm new to the group. I'm 27, work > in the software industry and live near Seattle, WA. I've had a lifelong > interest in electricity and electronics and followed the Antique Radio > column in Radio Electronics for years until the magazine went out of > publication. I've wanted to restore an old radio for quite some time but > haven't had one. > > On the way home yesterday I happened to stop at a garage sale and > imagine my surprise when I found a number of old radios. One was a large > Zenith console, the price said $100 but he offered it for $75 when he > saw me looking at it. All I had on me though was $52 so he took that and > I loaded the radio in the car and drove home happily with my new treasure. > > So first of all I'm looking to get some more information on what it is > and approximately when it was made. A picture of it is here > > http://sparcbox.hopto.org/pics/radio.jpg > > I'm also a little curious approximately how much this sort of thing is > worth, though I don't intend to sell it. > > Next, there's a few parts I'm obviously going to need, namely the three > knobs surrounding the dial and the dial glass which is also missing. > > Internally things look relatively intact, all the tubes are there and > aside from the line cord having been replaced it doesn't look like > anything has been mucked with. Obviously it will need all new > electrolytics and wax capacitors, I intend to carefully gut those and > put modern ones inside them. In a bit here I'll check the tubes since I > happened to have borrowed a tube tester for something else recently > which I'll need to give back soon. A few of the tubes have metal > bottles, I'm assuming those are not the original style? Some of them are > still the old bulged tubular things though which are my favorite style. > > I've purchased odds & ends from Antique Electronic Supply in the past, > are there any other good places to find things aside from Ebay? Once I > get the electrical side of things in tiptop condition I'll get started > on the relatively straightforward cosmetic restoration. > > Thanks in advance for any information you guys can provide. Article: 337117 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source References: <1152479929.178393.78820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1152480579.642884.109290@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <8kfsg.5273$Ep.2860@trnddc08> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:21:56 GMT RadioGary wrote: > Sorry, didn't see you did mention the condition. Looks like it's got > potential. The only time these sets propose a "challenge" is when the > previous owner modified the crap out of it to the point where you have > to really dig into a schematic, go around they're mods, and bring it > back to normal. It doesn't sound that way according to your > description. > > Repro stuff is available for these sets from Alan Jesperson of Minn > including all knobs you will need. I'm not certain about the dial > glass, but I know repros may be available for these as well. > > > Take care, > > GB > Wow, just hopped on here to see if a friend had emailed me and there's a bunch of replies on this thing already. I wasn't aware that the grill cloth was not original, the internet has made this sort of thing so much easier. I checked all the tubes today, several of them are bad, some have weak emission and another has shorts. It appears those all are fairly readily available though as there's a bunch of each on ebay. I looked around carefully and found no sign of any sort of modification or botched repairs, aside from the tubes being all different brands everything looks pretty well untouched since it rolled off the assembly line. One thing which became readily apparent once I started poking around is that I'm missing the large pointer that moves slowly, I only have the small brass looking one. There's a stub of the larger one but I can't tell if it's been broken off or if the stub is simply where it attaches. I haven't applied power to the set yet but I figured I'd thoroughly go through the electronics before I do that. No sense in risking burning up some irriplaceable part. Now I Just hope I don't get addicted and fill my whole house with these things. As with another hobby of restoring classic 80's video arcade games, this combines electronics, woodworking, and the general process of fixing up something old into a nice functioning unit, all things I really enjoy. I'd appreciate any photos anyone can come up with of this particular set or of parts I need. I'm curious what the dial glass looked like, was it domed? Someone else suggested a clock shop which I think is a good bet. Unfortunately the small pointer has rubbed on the black dial and scratched it. Hopefully I'll be able to touch it up somehow to make it presentable, I think in a pinch a black Sharpie marker would make it look pretty good though. Article: 337118 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <5vidnSPamKOCJjLZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <482dnWLOkpL59izZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Sonotone "Velocitone" schematic Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 15:46:30 -0700 Message-ID: > My comment is that you lump all Sonotones into one shitty bag. > Because you are thinking only of their cheapo stuff like what is > in most "Close and play" type units. This is wrong. Sonotone made > some "hi fi" type, better cartridges of that era. I dont recall all the > types but I have a bunch of them NOS here. Some type #'s I recall > are 14T 29T 35TS, etc. When the inimitable Julian Hirsch reviewed a "hi-fi" Sontone pickup (using the adapter), he remarked that there was nothing about its sound to distinguish it from a magnetic pickup. Perhaps. Article: 337119 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:04:12 -0500 Subject: Re: LANSING REPORT From: John Stone Message-ID: References: <-6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com> On 7/9/06 10:26 AM, in article -6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com, "Mark Oppat" wrote: > Attendance might have been down a > little, as was sellers but you'd hardly know by all the activity! It almost > seemed to me like there was still the same amount of STUFF there! Mark, I would say attendance was down substantially-at least on Friday. The last 2 rows of seller spaces were nearly empty, and parking spots were easy to find. I don't fault MARC in any way for this; they did their usual great job. I just think with the cost of gas ($3.10-$3.15/gal between Chgo and Lansing), and the easy availability of goods over the internet, that these meets are generally falling on hard times. I agree there was still a lot of good stuff there, and I picked up a number of parts I needed. But any number of sellers were commenting on not selling as well as they had hoped. We'll see what happens at Bolingbrook, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a smaller crowd there as well. Article: 337120 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:12:12 GMT James, Allow me to jump in and say, welcome to the fraternity of vintage radio hobbyists! There are several wonderful people who frequent this list, many of which I have met personally. There are also radio clubs and events which I highly recommend, although admittedly they are spread all over the country, and they might not exactly be within driving distance. However in lieu of a local group, there are plenty of us here -- spread all over the world, as you will soon find out. I might also add that, along with the great cameraderie and worthwhile advice, this is an unmoderated newsgroup, and there are indeed some threads which will make you wonder what's going on. Some people just like to tear each other apart I guess. The rest of us try to ignore them, or just sit back and laugh at their antics. Because of the openness of information here, and because there are always new people signing on such as yourself, I'll accept the trolls -- the good far outweighs the bad. Regarding resources -- there are PLENTY! Many of them are on this list; many others are well-known by folks on this list, so if you ever wish to know where you can find that obscure part, or how to rebuild an assembly, just ask. There is also a wide variety of interest here; for example I personally work with vintage car radios. There's one thing that's mandatory -- once you finish your project, and have the cabinet looking like new, we want to see another photo! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "James Sweet" wrote in message news:i1dsg.2534$Th7.1850@trnddc05... > First I should introduce myself since I'm new to the group. I'm 27, work > in the software industry and live near Seattle, WA. I've had a lifelong > interest in electricity and electronics and followed the Antique Radio > column in Radio Electronics for years until the magazine went out of > publication. I've wanted to restore an old radio for quite some time but > haven't had one. > > On the way home yesterday I happened to stop at a garage sale and imagine > my surprise when I found a number of old radios. One was a large Zenith > console, the price said $100 but he offered it for $75 when he saw me > looking at it. All I had on me though was $52 so he took that and I loaded > the radio in the car and drove home happily with my new treasure. > > So first of all I'm looking to get some more information on what it is and > approximately when it was made. A picture of it is here > > http://sparcbox.hopto.org/pics/radio.jpg > > I'm also a little curious approximately how much this sort of thing is > worth, though I don't intend to sell it. > > Next, there's a few parts I'm obviously going to need, namely the three > knobs surrounding the dial and the dial glass which is also missing. > > Internally things look relatively intact, all the tubes are there and > aside from the line cord having been replaced it doesn't look like > anything has been mucked with. Obviously it will need all new > electrolytics and wax capacitors, I intend to carefully gut those and put > modern ones inside them. In a bit here I'll check the tubes since I > happened to have borrowed a tube tester for something else recently which > I'll need to give back soon. A few of the tubes have metal bottles, I'm > assuming those are not the original style? Some of them are still the old > bulged tubular things though which are my favorite style. > > I've purchased odds & ends from Antique Electronic Supply in the past, are > there any other good places to find things aside from Ebay? Once I get the > electrical side of things in tiptop condition I'll get started on the > relatively straightforward cosmetic restoration. > > Thanks in advance for any information you guys can provide. Article: 337121 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John S." Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: 9 Jul 2006 16:56:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1152489361.855769.218740@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Uncle Peter wrote: > "Cartrivision1" wrote in message > news:1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW Portable Radio w/ all > > Manuals. To view auction follow link below: > > > You're feedback SUCKS bigtime, dude. Disagree completely...2 negatives from 2004 are hardly the same as two within the last 30 days. Read beyond the Ebay summary rating number before posting messages like this. Article: 337122 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 17:29:45 -0700 Message-ID: The charter of the rec.antiques.radio+phono newsgroup discourages eBay SPAM and other for-sale (FA, FS, etc.) notices from people who have never contributed anything to past discussions. The purpose of this group is to discuss antique radios and phonographs. Not to sell stuff. If you have nothing interesting to talk about, kindly find some other place to spray your SPAM. P.S. I bought my second (flawless) TO 3000-1 for $5 at a garage sale. Regards, Phil Nelson Article: 337123 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: Subject: Re: Sound editing software Message-ID: <3ghsg.3857$F8.2059@trnddc02> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:34:07 GMT Try here: www.enhancedaudio.com -- Mike Schultz "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:Dkasg.16756$LS6.3726@trnddc03... > In the past we've talked somewhat about computer software for working > with/cleaning up old recordings. > > Personally I bought Sound Forge 5.0 several years ago and have used it > extensively for cutting/pasting/mixing audio. However one day I upgraded > my computer, and when I went to install the Sound Forge, it asked for my > serial number (which I could not find). So I did the next best thing -- I > found a bootleg copy and installed that (which happened to be version 7). > > All was well until today. Out of nowhere I got an error message stating > that I have to register online to continue using the mp3 plugin -- and it > pretty much locked up on me. So -- either there is a timeout on its use, > or else some type of spyware must have determined that I was using an > unregistered copy. Imagine, I'm unregistered, but I get continual e-mails > from Sony/Sound Forge about new products, from registering the FIRST time! > > The good news -- since that last time I've cleaned the shop, and have > found the "key" to the install. So once again I'm in business, albeit > with version 5. > > But all this raises my curiosity -- what other programs are out there that > you recommend? In my opinion, Sound Forge is great for cutting/editing, > but seems to be lacking when it comes to reducing noise or fixing other > abnormalities. Next time I update, it may be to something else -- or > something to complement this one. > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > Article: 337124 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: Charging batteries References: <18314-44B16789-255@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 20:45:31 -0400 Bill Sheppard wrote: > > How long have you been doing this? Have you measured the actual peak DC > the wallwart puts out? >***snip*** > Have you read the previous posts in this thread about > the need for float charging gelcells? > oc > Hi Bill. I never had a problem charging that way, true, its not the best way but I leave it on only a couple of hours, maybe overnight tops if I connect the charger before I go to sleep. I've done that with 500ma and 1 amp transformers. Of course, float chargers are the way to go. Sal Article: 337125 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" Subject: antiqueradios.com down at least overnight Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:59:20 -0500 Message-ID: <44b1991e$0$16052$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Either the domain name or the DNS entry for antiqueradios.com was hijacked. Site now goes to a fake-search site with a zillion popups that I'm sure want to put lots of malware on your computer. Being that it's Sunday I'm sure it'll be down until midday tomorrow at least. So those of you who visit the forums there, don't bother tonight. :) paul -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337126 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Deoxit Power Booster on closeout at Radio Shack Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:56:24 -0600 Message-ID: <12436-44B1A5B8-664@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <8ms0b21cnghm0dd3cvu76pogku7q6bp3pj@4ax.com> Maybe you should try it as a suppository. It will probably clear up that cronic constipation you seem to suffer from. I dont think it would even work for that but if it works for you then great . Need another can . Article: 337127 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Uncle Peter" References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1152489361.855769.218740@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:12:25 -0400 "John S." wrote in message news:1152489361.855769.218740@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > Disagree completely...2 negatives from 2004 are hardly the same as two > within the last 30 days. Read beyond the Ebay summary rating number > before posting messages like this. > Yeah, and READ the neutrals! Folks who were dinged; but didn't wish to have full retalliation in turn. The feedback sucks. The replies to the negs speaks volumes as well. Article: 337128 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: 9 Jul 2006 18:27:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: > Wow, just hopped on here to see if a friend had emailed me and there's a > bunch of replies on this thing already. I wasn't aware that the grill > cloth was not original, the internet has made this sort of thing so much > easier. > > I checked all the tubes today, several of them are bad, some have weak > emission and another has shorts. It appears those all are fairly readily > available though as there's a bunch of each on ebay. I looked around > carefully and found no sign of any sort of modification or botched > repairs, aside from the tubes being all different brands everything > looks pretty well untouched since it rolled off the assembly line. > > One thing which became readily apparent once I started poking around is > that I'm missing the large pointer that moves slowly, I only have the > small brass looking one. There's a stub of the larger one but I can't > tell if it's been broken off or if the stub is simply where it attaches. > > I haven't applied power to the set yet but I figured I'd thoroughly go > through the electronics before I do that. No sense in risking burning up > some irriplaceable part. > > Now I Just hope I don't get addicted and fill my whole house with these > things. As with another hobby of restoring classic 80's video arcade > games, this combines electronics, woodworking, and the general process > of fixing up something old into a nice functioning unit, all things I > really enjoy. > > I'd appreciate any photos anyone can come up with of this particular set > or of parts I need. I'm curious what the dial glass looked like, was it > domed? Someone else suggested a clock shop which I think is a good bet. > > Unfortunately the small pointer has rubbed on the black dial and > scratched it. Hopefully I'll be able to touch it up somehow to make it > presentable, I think in a pinch a black Sharpie marker would make it > look pretty good though. tubesandmore.com has the glass. i wouldn't jump in and swap out all the caps and out of spec resistors etc. at one time. has nothing to do with it being your first radio resto....it can make things really complicated. i would swap the filters and get it to play before i started snatching all the caps out. i speak from experience. i get it playing, swap a couple out, check it out, then do a couple more. From adouglasatgis.net Thu Jul 13 01:39:53 EDT 2006 Article: 337129 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Testing Antique Tubes, Question Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:13:09 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $19.95 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <1152450503.788739.295270@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-108.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337129 Hi, >Most tubes I check on the trusty Cardmatic are no problem, but a >significant number of perfectly good tubes test "BAD" because I can't >get the meter needle to zero with no grid signal using the "CENTERING" >pot. The grid signal on a Cardmatic is only 222 millivolts, at 60Hz, the same 60Hz that lights the filament. If the filament isn't perfectly balanced, the Cardmatic can't tell the difference between grid signal and hum from the filament. The Cardmatic basically was never intended to test directly-heated tubes. Testers that are, either use a much larger signal voltage, or use a different signal frequency. You might get around the problem by heating the tube with DC. Alan Article: 337130 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: antiqueradios.com down at least overnight Date: 9 Jul 2006 18:39:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1152495544.810843.105990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <44b1991e$0$16052$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Paul Dietenberger wrote: > Either the domain name or the DNS entry for antiqueradios.com was hijacked. > Site now goes to a fake-search site with a zillion popups that I'm sure want > to put lots of malware on your computer. Being that it's Sunday I'm sure > it'll be down until midday tomorrow at least. > > So those of you who visit the forums there, don't bother tonight. :) > > paul > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com You can still access the site by adding "www" after "http://" most bookmarks people have saved don't have the"www" in them. Even with pop-up blockers it is a real hassle to acesss or post! Steve Reeves Article: 337131 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: antiqueradios.com down at least overnight Date: 9 Jul 2006 18:41:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1152495705.314709.133410@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <44b1991e$0$16052$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> > pop-up blockers it is a real hassle to acesss or post! > Steve Reeves Make that "access" not "acesss" Article: 337132 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" Subject: Radio ID needed Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:25:10 GMT I posted a photo on the binaries group of a radio dial. Can anyone tell me for sure what kind of radio it is? This photo is from an ebay auction I saw today for a really rough chassis. I would like to find a nice example of this set for my collection. We had one when I was a kid that had belonged to my Dad's mother. He remembered it from the mid 30s or so. Unfortunately it got dropped and the cabinet fell apart. I have no idea what happened to the rest of it. I was thinking it might be a Truetone, but I checked the Turetone web page and didn't see anything like it. Thanks in advance for your help. -- Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com WANTED! http://radioheaven.homestead.com/grknob.html Hard to find 2 pin mic connectors for BA rigs. http://radioheaven.homestead.com/2pinmicplug.html Article: 337133 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" Subject: Re: antiqueradios.com down at least overnight Date: 9 Jul 2006 19:36:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1152498987.444403.92320@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44b1991e$0$16052$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Steve Reeves wrote: > > pop-up blockers it is a real hassle to acesss or post! > > Steve Reeves > Make that "access" not "acesss" That confirms it as a DNS problem. Problem is, all the site's internal links reference "antiqueradios.com" so if you visit there with www.antiqueradios.com, the fake-search site will be referenced constantly, which means if you don't have popups blocked you're going to have a very miserable time there because you'll keep getting the ads and who knows what else. Article: 337134 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <5vidnSPamKOCJjLZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <482dnWLOkpL59izZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Sonotone "Velocitone" schematic Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:13:13 -0400 "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:482dnWLOkpL59izZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com... > Bob, leave out the insults and leave in the on-topic content. > > My comment is that you lump all Sonotones into one shitty bag. Because > you > are thinking only of their cheapo stuff like what is in most "Close and > play" type units. This is wrong. Sonotone made some "hi fi" type, better > cartridges of that era. I dont recall all the types but I have a bunch > of > them NOS here. Some type #'s I recall are 14T 29T 35TS, etc. > > Mark Oppat Mark, I consider this dumbass on the same level as skippy. If it weren't for your quoting he'd still be in the trash bin thanks to filtering. I wish you did the same. Syl Article: 337135 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:54:51 -0700 Message-ID: <23593-44B1C17B-587@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> I do not think that cabinet is a Zenith cabinet. Why is the color real light in a rectangle area below the dial? Is the inside o the cabinet dark blue? Don't worry, the chassis and speaker are worth more than you paid. The brass pointer has been cut off. The other pointer is painted black with the tip white. Don't use the shorted tube, but weak ones usually will work. The set should have a recap before plugging it in. Article: 337136 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1152489361.855769.218740@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 03:22:05 GMT "John S." wrote in message news:1152489361.855769.218740@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Uncle Peter wrote: >> "Cartrivision1" wrote in message >> news:1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> > FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW Portable Radio w/ all >> > Manuals. To view auction follow link below: >> > >> You're feedback SUCKS bigtime, dude. > > Disagree completely...2 negatives from 2004 are hardly the same as two > within the last 30 days. Read beyond the Ebay summary rating number > before posting messages like this. > I think many of us probably did read well beyond the eBay summary. At least enough to see the nature of the complaints and how you responded to them. You received 5 negatives and 5 neutrals out of 208 transactions: http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=fixyourownpc&Dirn=Received+by You gave 23 negatives or neutrals out of 286 transactions: http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=fixyourownpc&Dirn=Left+by That indicates a lot of problems. If nothing else, it shows you have a lot of communication problems with your trading partners. jim menning Article: 337137 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: 9 Jul 2006 20:31:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1152502276.364303.34590@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> I think you're right, Jim. Looks like this could be a frankenradio or son of frankenradio I would imagine. Well, big challenged looks like. Jim Berg wrote: > I do not think that cabinet is a Zenith cabinet. Why is the color real > light in a rectangle area below the dial? Is the inside o the cabinet > dark blue? Don't worry, the chassis and speaker are worth more than you > paid. The brass pointer has been cut off. The other pointer is painted > black with the tip white. Don't use the shorted tube, but weak ones > usually will work. The set should have a recap before plugging it in. Article: 337138 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "michaeljpro" Subject: Re: LANSING REPORT Date: 9 Jul 2006 20:39:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1152502779.289178.299750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <-6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com> John Stone wrote: > On 7/9/06 10:26 AM, in article -6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com, > "Mark Oppat" wrote: > > > Attendance might have been down a > > little, as was sellers but you'd hardly know by all the activity! It almost > > seemed to me like there was still the same amount of STUFF there! > > Mark, I would say attendance was down substantially-at least on Friday. The > last 2 rows of seller spaces were nearly empty, and parking spots were easy > to find. I don't fault MARC in any way for this; they did their usual great > job. I just think with the cost of gas ($3.10-$3.15/gal between Chgo and > Lansing), and the easy availability of goods over the internet, that these > meets are generally falling on hard times. I agree there was still a lot of > good stuff there, and I picked up a number of parts I needed. But any number > of sellers were commenting on not selling as well as they had hoped. > We'll see what happens at Bolingbrook, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a > smaller crowd there as well. It was my second year driving down from north of Toronto and it was worth every gallon of gas and the 6 hour drive (seemed longer this year due to all the road construction on I-69). Lansing provides us Canadian collectors the opportunity to experience a radio meet the way it should be - well organized, great people and great radios. We have nothing like it in Canada. The radios I bought at Extravaganza could not be found here at home. I primarily collect transistor radios and I couldn't believe the number of quality sets available. A special thanks goes out to John & Jean Goller for their kindness and generosity and thanks to the Michigan Radio Club for putting so much hard work into the event....world class!!! Ebay could never replace a "real, live" radio event! See you next year. Thanks, Michael. Article: 337139 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1152479929.178393.78820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1152480579.642884.109290@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <8kfsg.5273$Ep.2860@trnddc08> <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 03:43:06 GMT "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > tubesandmore.com has the glass. i wouldn't jump in and swap out all the > caps and out of spec resistors etc. at one time. has nothing to do > with it being your first radio resto....it can make things really > complicated. i would swap the filters and get it to play before i > started snatching all the caps out. i speak from experience. i get it > playing, swap a couple out, check it out, then do a couple more. > Eddie is exactly right. Paper caps, though they test bad around 80% of the time (my experience), usually don't prevent the radio from playing. If you have the ability, it's better to troubleshoot, get the radio playing, THEN recap. A lot of people use variacs to bring up the voltage slowly, just to ensure there is no extreme current draw, before putting full power to the radio. Personally I remove the vibrator and rectifier (remember I deal mainly with car radios) and put a power supply to it. I've got a high voltage power supply which provides 250 volts, measures current, and has overcurrent protection. If you're starting out and don't have any of these goodies, you can test it in a primitive fashion by putting a light bulb in series with the radio when you plug it into the wall. If the light bulb comes on bright, you want to investigate before applying full power to the radio. Once it's safe to turn on, and once you are at least to the point of hearing intelligible noises, then you can proceed with recapping. As Eddie said, do three or four at a time, then reapply power. It can be interesting to find that the sound is suddenly stronger or clearer, but more importantly you want to verify everything was done right before proceeding. If the radio worked, then suddenly quit after replacing three caps, you'll obviously want to double-check those three caps. Were the connections soldered? Is one of the leads touching the chassis? Troubleshooting a couple capacitors is far easier than troubleshooting the entire radio after you've replaced everything. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 337140 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <23593-44B1C17B-587@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 03:55:37 GMT "Jim Berg" wrote in message news:23593-44B1C17B-587@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net... >I do not think that cabinet is a Zenith cabinet. Why is the color real > light in a rectangle area below the dial? Is the inside o the cabinet > dark blue? Don't worry, the chassis and speaker are worth more than you > paid. The brass pointer has been cut off. The other pointer is painted > black with the tip white. Don't use the shorted tube, but weak ones > usually will work. The set should have a recap before plugging it in. > Looks very similar to a Sparton 667 cabinet. jim menning Article: 337141 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source References: <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <23593-44B1C17B-587@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 04:00:55 GMT Jim Berg wrote: > I do not think that cabinet is a Zenith cabinet. Why is the color real > light in a rectangle area below the dial? Is the inside o the cabinet > dark blue? Don't worry, the chassis and speaker are worth more than you > paid. The brass pointer has been cut off. The other pointer is painted > black with the tip white. Don't use the shorted tube, but weak ones > usually will work. The set should have a recap before plugging it in. > Well crap, you're right! The inside of the cabinet is painted dark blue, but I can see looking closely where it has been cut out below the dial opening and that piece patched in there. The shelf the chassis sits on has also been dropped down about 3/4". What are the chances of finding an appropriate cabinet? I'm tempted to restore and sell the chassis otherwise, or get it working, put it together and sell the whole unit. As anal as I am it would never stop bothering me to have it in the wrong cabinet. Article: 337142 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "cmdr buzz corey" Subject: Re: FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: 9 Jul 2006 21:05:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1152504337.555789.252700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Cartrivision1 wrote: > FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW Portable Radio w/ all Spam your ebay auction somewhere else Article: 337143 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Message-ID: <2cm3b251a9oinoftfp9jsgv70jmvfpokif@4ax.com> References: <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <23593-44B1C17B-587@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 04:39:36 GMT >Well crap, you're right! The inside of the cabinet is painted dark blue, >but I can see looking closely where it has been cut out below the dial >opening and that piece patched in there. The shelf the chassis sits on >has also been dropped down about 3/4". > >What are the chances of finding an appropriate cabinet? I'm tempted to >restore and sell the chassis otherwise, or get it working, put it >together and sell the whole unit. As anal as I am it would never stop >bothering me to have it in the wrong cabinet. Well, if it were me, I'd go ahead and get the set working, as a practice exercise if nothing else. Then, if the wrong cabinet offended me, I'd put it away until a chance to acquire the right cabinet came along. Gordon Richmond Article: 337144 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <-6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1152502779.289178.299750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: LANSING REPORT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: thanks so much for the kind words, Michael. We at MARC aim to please! Mark Oppat "michaeljpro" wrote in message news:1152502779.289178.299750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > John Stone wrote: > > On 7/9/06 10:26 AM, in article -6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com, > > "Mark Oppat" wrote: > > > > > Attendance might have been down a > > > little, as was sellers but you'd hardly know by all the activity! It almost > > > seemed to me like there was still the same amount of STUFF there! > > > > Mark, I would say attendance was down substantially-at least on Friday. The > > last 2 rows of seller spaces were nearly empty, and parking spots were easy > > to find. I don't fault MARC in any way for this; they did their usual great > > job. I just think with the cost of gas ($3.10-$3.15/gal between Chgo and > > Lansing), and the easy availability of goods over the internet, that these > > meets are generally falling on hard times. I agree there was still a lot of > > good stuff there, and I picked up a number of parts I needed. But any number > > of sellers were commenting on not selling as well as they had hoped. > > We'll see what happens at Bolingbrook, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a > > smaller crowd there as well. > > It was my second year driving down from north of Toronto and it was > worth every gallon of gas and the 6 hour drive (seemed longer this year > due to all the road construction on I-69). Lansing provides us > Canadian collectors the opportunity to experience a radio meet the way > it should be - well organized, great people and great radios. We have > nothing like it in Canada. The radios I bought at Extravaganza could > not be found here at home. I primarily collect transistor radios and I > couldn't believe the number of quality sets available. > A special thanks goes out to John & Jean Goller for their kindness and > generosity and thanks to the Michigan Radio Club for putting so much > hard work into the event....world class!!! > Ebay could never replace a "real, live" radio event! See you next year. > Thanks, Michael. > > Article: 337145 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <5vidnSPamKOCJjLZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <482dnWLOkpL59izZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Sonotone "Velocitone" schematic Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:30:00 -0400 Message-ID: <8bydnSl52a3ceCzZnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@comcast.com> Syl, will do. Thats the second time DB got me... I promise to ignore him >from now on so we can maintain some level of civility. Mark Oppat "Syl" wrote in message news:Wkjsg.19121$We.407271@wagner.videotron.net... > > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > news:482dnWLOkpL59izZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Bob, leave out the insults and leave in the on-topic content. > > > > My comment is that you lump all Sonotones into one shitty bag. Because > > you > > are thinking only of their cheapo stuff like what is in most "Close and > > play" type units. This is wrong. Sonotone made some "hi fi" type, better > > cartridges of that era. I dont recall all the types but I have a bunch > > of > > them NOS here. Some type #'s I recall are 14T 29T 35TS, etc. > > > > Mark Oppat > > Mark, > > I consider this dumbass on the same level as skippy. If it weren't for > your quoting he'd still be in the trash bin thanks to filtering. I wish > you did the same. > > Syl > > > Article: 337146 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Cartrivision1" Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: 9 Jul 2006 22:36:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1152509779.347604.74180@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Uncle Peter wrote: > "Cartrivision1" wrote in message > news:1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW Portable Radio w/ all > > Manuals. To view auction follow link below: > > > You're feedback SUCKS bigtime, dude. Considering at least a couple are from Ebayers no longer registered, I think 5 negatives vs. 198 positives is not a bad track record. Also the majority of the negs, the few that are there, were from buyers who never alerted me about problems, and left negatives weeks after the fact. One guy dinged me like 2 months after an item shipped. By that time it is out of my hands. I would most likely have numerous more positives but due to my bad experiences I no longer post feedback until the buyer does first. Not the best policy but it helps to protect myself from reckless buyers and their feedback. CTV Article: 337147 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Cartrivision1" Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: 9 Jul 2006 23:02:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1152511328.476020.210500@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Uncle Peter wrote: > "John S." wrote in message > news:1152489361.855769.218740@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Disagree completely...2 negatives from 2004 are hardly the same as two > > within the last 30 days. Read beyond the Ebay summary rating number > > before posting messages like this. > > > > Yeah, and READ the neutrals! Folks who were dinged; > but didn't wish to have full retalliation in turn. The > feedback sucks. The replies to the negs speaks volumes > as well. I looked at a couple of the "Neutral" feedbacks I received. One was >from a guy who bought a metal clock part that was well over 120 years old and he complained about rust. Another was from someone who gave me a neutral even though we had not participated in a transaction and I noted that in my reply. Some things are out of my hands as a seller and especially as a seller that deals mainly in vintage electronics, etc. I always list items "as-is" preciesly because I cannot guarantee perfection from used and in most case older items. If you can more power to you. CTV Article: 337149 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: D Peter Maus Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <9qhsg.5609$ye3.3887@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:10:05 GMT Gregory Morrow wrote: > Beloved Leader wrote: > >> Another one bites the dust. Someday, iPods will be antiques. >> > > > This is quite simply lazy reporting. Despite WBEZ's ending of music > programming we have for jazz the very excellent College of DuPage radio > station, WDCB...I have *long* preferred it to 'BEZ, the programming is > generally much more fresh and innovative: > Exactly. And this story is actually not news. The announcement of WBEZ's impending change was made months ago. The response to which has been a virtual firestorm of protests at Navy Pier, with a re-evaluation of the plan. It ain't over, yet. Regardless, WDCB has been picking up WBEZ's jazz fans for sometime, now, despite the weak signal. Up here in Lake and McHenry counties, WDCB is often a tough catch. And yet, there is solid audience here. > http://www.wdcb.org/ > Article: 337150 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: 10 Jul 2006 05:21:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1152534078.620945.151590@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Jim Berg wrote: > I do not think that cabinet is a Zenith cabinet. Why is the color real > light in a rectangle area below the dial? Is the inside o the cabinet > dark blue? Don't worry, the chassis and speaker are worth more than you > paid. The brass pointer has been cut off. The other pointer is painted > black with the tip white. Don't use the shorted tube, but weak ones > usually will work. The set should have a recap before plugging it in. good eye jim. i knew i didn't recognize the cabinet. how many 7 tube consoles did zenith make in 38? 3 or 4 maybe? the chassis should have a white model number stamped on it. usually above the antenna connection or thereabouts. does it still have the zenith speaker? if so, that should narrow it down. there will be a cabinet come up on ebay eventually, but it won't go real cheap and you will have to wait. i have chassis (or cabinets) i have waited years to find the right missing part. most are still sitting. your chances should be a little better on one like this since they are so common. i think if it were me, i would put the chassis on ebay and buy another radio to restore. maybe someone here will pop up with a cabinet. good luck. Article: 337151 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: FS: Lansing Radio Meet From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:30:33 GMT In article , k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF says... > > >Anyone need a Variable Bench Supply? ... think I have three different >ones in the garage plus the one on the bench... don't need 4 of >them if anyone is going to Lansing and interested in cheap and zero >shipping .... let me know... > >Also going to Lansing... Consoles .. about 10-15 of them ... most will >be $200 and under prices... just too many of them here.. did Inventory >the other day... 92 Consoles ... way too many!.. Some of them need >new homes... > >John k9uwa > Success at Lansing... most of the old consoles found new deserving homes at $20 to $50 each price range.. 3 came back home and 3 others were gutted for parts at the show! ... One of the guys got the nice Bench supply for 10 bucks or something like that.... as usual we spent a lot more than we took in.. a few notables that came home with us.. Philco 201 in remarkably nice original condition.. thats Philco's first entry into the HiFi type radio and one rare bird... Rare enough that Ron's Philco book only has a B/W photo from an early advertisement in the book... more amazing ... there was a 2nd one at the show.. Alan Jesperson brought one... he entered it into the contest and the radio took a nice ribbon.... Philco RadioBar with almost all the glassware ... both of the above were picked up for collector friends of ours.. the 201 I will have to do electronics before it leaves.. but the radiobar is already done... thanks to The Magers "Waves" from NY for bringing it to the show... Lots of fun yakking with all the collectors at the meet... The Friday Nite Band was exceptional!... John & Jean Article: 337152 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: LANSING REPORT From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <-6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:41:27 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >OOPS forgot to mention John and Jean Goller were there, too with a huge pile >of very reasonably priced sets!!! > >Mark Oppat > Most of the consoles and table radios we brought found new deserving homes! Only three came back with us ... can U believe a radio meet that had TWO of those Philco 201 consoles available?... Most people didn't know that there was a 2nd one... Thanks to Dan Gutowski who grabbed me by the shirt collar early Friday morning... said... follow me.... pointed over to a large pile of consoles coming out of a large truck .. and there was a 2nd one.. almost as perfect as the one Alan won a major ribbon in the contest with ... the one we grabbed up for Scott Shull is super nice other than the bedsheet looking grillecloth ... it was quickly snagged up and stuffed in the trailer for its ride to Indiana!... Super Great time had by all of us at Extravaganza... I know that Charlie and Stephen were discussing how to stack radios on top of Charlie's GMC Safari Van for their trip back home... and it came to the show nearly empty... John & Jean Article: 337153 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Look What I Bought Today for $70- From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <4%rsg.28810$FQ1.27608@attbi_s71> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:46:56 GMT In article , newton5@remove.comcast.net says... > > > A shame, I've had a 38-4 and a 38-7, same dial and very similar console cabinets but >one has a higher tube count. I like them. I would have taken it home for $30-40. Hi Tom ... its not that far for you to Fort Wayne, IN to get it... there are other consoles here also that need new deserving homes ... think I have 4 (four) yes 4 Zenith 6s152 consoles.... like I need 4 of the same model?.. Saw two at the show... one was Bill Timoszyk's and it was really nice.. didn't sell.. and there was another one that had that antique 50's stuff slathered all over it... including the dial bezel... my experience with that stuff if that it comes off nicely without a whole lot of work... think that one was only priced at 50 bucks or so.. John Article: 337154 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John S." Subject: Re: FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: 10 Jul 2006 06:27:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1152538078.680839.130800@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> cmdr buzz corey wrote: > Cartrivision1 wrote: > > FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW Portable Radio w/ all > > Spam your ebay auction somewhere else I disagree unless we are going to ban links to auctions by ALL members of this group and not just a select few. We will have to ban links by a few long time members who also shill their auctions. And of course we will have to ban the long-running forum sport of providing links to and nasty comments about auctions of certain competing dealers. Article: 337155 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:36:59 -0600 Message-ID: <12436-44B257FB-760@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152534078.620945.151590@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> i wouldn't jump in and swap out all the caps and out of spec resistors etc. at one time. has nothing to do with it being your first radio resto....it can make things really complicated. =A0 i would swap the filters and get it to play before i started snatching all the caps out. i speak from experience. i get it playing, swap a couple out, check it out, then do a couple more. That is the best advice you can hear . That cabinet looks real good even though its wrong . Restore it and keep it together then decide if you want to sell it or hunt for a cabinet . That radio as is restored would sell for 4 to 5 hundred $ here . Article: 337156 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Radio ID needed Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:47:34 -0600 Message-ID: <12436-44B25A76-766@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: I have 2 table radios with that dial . They both have a brass oval nailed to the front of the case marked ``Admiral`` searches show these to be made by Continental . and i believe 1937 ish vintage . Also i have seen this basic dial with different designs in the middle . Article: 337157 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "m82a1pa" Subject: Radiola RS binding post terminal cap needed Date: 10 Jul 2006 07:25:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1152541510.680512.295650@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Hi Folks, I'm searching for a binding post terminal cap to finish up the restoration of my Radiola RS. Here's a link to some photos of what I need. http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57792 Thanks, Mort Denison York, PA Article: 337158 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" Subject: Parts question and tale of acquisition Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:32:47 -0400 Message-ID: <44b2650f$0$3630$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> First of all, this is NOT an advertisement. Anyone rely on Radio Shack for parts - anymore? Seems many are getting out of that aspect. "I" had the occasion yesterday to buy out a local store of quite a bit of their stock of parts and accessories. I didn't buy the DVD, VCR, Computer stuff or IPODs - I did "ALL" the components and connectors and such. The store is closing down so I did them a favor. I bought like $3000 worth for a mere fraction of the cost. I told them - give me your best deal and they did - one hell of a deal. Now to sort it all out. "WHEN" I sell them outward and most will be at some point (saving some for projects and personal use) - I'll ditch it for 1/2 retail at least to save someone else some cash. Some items I won't have use for at all, but they were thrown in - so I'll sell them for 1/2 of retail. Maybe make some grab bags up to sell at upcoming meets, on e-bay or my web site. I often do buyouts such as this from stores, shops, estates, etc. I keep what I need and ditch the rest or throw into stock for future sale. I have come across many a good deal. I've acquired things I wanted for some time - in some cases and well, that one item was worth the buy - but selling the rest - paid for it. I AM curious though - this store was in a rather busy location - is this the start of a massive downfall? Are any of you seeing other stores dropping out? I was told there are a couple others in the area destined for the same fate. Hmmmmmmmm.......... Article: 337159 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: 10 Jul 2006 07:46:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1152542770.863258.63940@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> If it was me buying this set and saw the cabinet was not original, I still would have picked it up. For the fifty bucks you paid for it, the chassis alone restored would be worth a couple of hundred dollars. What about the speaker? Is it a Zenith speaker that plugs into the back of the chassis and does it have a large gold colored behive like thing over it? James Sweet wrote: > Jim Berg wrote: > > I do not think that cabinet is a Zenith cabinet. Why is the color real > > light in a rectangle area below the dial? Is the inside o the cabinet > > dark blue? Don't worry, the chassis and speaker are worth more than you > > paid. The brass pointer has been cut off. The other pointer is painted > > black with the tip white. Don't use the shorted tube, but weak ones > > usually will work. The set should have a recap before plugging it in. > > > > > > Well crap, you're right! The inside of the cabinet is painted dark blue, > but I can see looking closely where it has been cut out below the dial > opening and that piece patched in there. The shelf the chassis sits on > has also been dropped down about 3/4". > > What are the chances of finding an appropriate cabinet? I'm tempted to > restore and sell the chassis otherwise, or get it working, put it > together and sell the whole unit. As anal as I am it would never stop > bothering me to have it in the wrong cabinet. Article: 337160 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" Subject: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:46:43 -0700 Message-ID: <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Hi Guys, Over the weekend I picked up a cute little Emerson radio. Its an AA5 in an Ingram (wood) cabinet with 4 station pre-selector buttons on top. Can't find a model number on it. Under the chassis, and on one side, there is what I think is asbestos stapled to the inside of the cabinet. Doesn't seem to be flaking off. Should I leave it or remove it (carefully)? What have other done? Steve Article: 337161 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 10 Jul 2006 08:15:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1152544531.967195.190760@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> The generally accepted procedure is to seal it with a latex binder. Once the surface and edges are soaked with the latex and it has cured, there will be no bits of asbestos fibre coming off and it is prefectly safe. It is not safe to remove it unless asbestos handling procedures are followed, and in any case it IS there for a purpose. It is supposed to protect the wood case for overheated components [resistors, tubes, etc.] so you would need to replace it with something equally effective. Neil S. Steve wrote: > Hi Guys, > Over the weekend I picked up a cute little Emerson radio. > Its an AA5 in an Ingram (wood) cabinet with 4 station pre-selector > buttons on top. Can't find a model number on it. > > Under the chassis, and on one side, there is what I think > is asbestos stapled to the inside of the cabinet. > Doesn't seem to be flaking off. Should I leave it or > remove it (carefully)? What have other done? > > Steve Article: 337162 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:27:18 GMT In article <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, zarco@sonic.net says... > > >Hi Guys, >Over the weekend I picked up a cute little Emerson radio. >Its an AA5 in an Ingram (wood) cabinet with 4 station pre-selector >buttons on top. Can't find a model number on it. > >Under the chassis, and on one side, there is what I think >is asbestos stapled to the inside of the cabinet. >Doesn't seem to be flaking off. Should I leave it or >remove it (carefully)? What have other done? > > Steve > > I remove them ... outside with zero wind.. stuff into double sealed baggie.. also carefully wipe out any loose fibers with damp rag.. put rag also in baggie ... wear mask ... don't breathe the stuff while removing it.. John k9uwa Article: 337163 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <23593-44B1C17B-587@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:47:02 GMT In article , jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com says... > > > >Looks very similar to a Sparton 667 cabinet. > >jim menning > > Welcome to the world of collecting and restoring old radios!.. Yes it is a Non-Zenith cabinet... but not all that bad looking.. do NOT BUY THE GLASS FROM ANTIQUE ELECTRONICS SUPPLY ... IT WILL NOT FIT CORRECTLY ... the one they are selling has too much concavity to it and will set the chassis back into the cabinet too far.... your looking for an 8 1/2" glass order it from Bill Turner dialcover@webtv.net 1117 Pike Street, Saint Charles, MO 63301 Phone: 636- 949-2210 See Bill's website for the prices on the glass.. www.dialcover.com The Chassis is correct for a Walton 7 tube radio... and sold after proper restoration will bring considerably more than you paid... also if the Zenith speaker is there its worth about 1/2 of what you paid unless its the one with the accoustic adapter then its worth more than U paid for the whole works.. Also fits 7s260 would be the correct zenith console cabinet.. John k9uwa Article: 337164 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Emerson bf204 Date: 10 Jul 2006 08:56:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1152547000.605777.190710@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152482698.012975.306040@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> term wrote: > Hi, > > Just aquired an Emerson BF204. Anyone have any info on this one. > Can't even find a schematic or anything on it. You might try the schematic for BF and see if it's the same. I suspect for pre-war Emerson the letters designate a chassis type and the numbers a cabinet. Article: 337165 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <-6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1152502779.289178.299750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: LANSING REPORT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:42:24 -0400 Message-ID: just got the report from our treasurer, and the "Good Buy Affair" AKA "Donation Auction" totalled over $1100! That is a record amount, topping last year by about $400. That money goes to MARC to offset our costs of the show. BTW, Extravaganza always looses a little money each year. I dont recall for sure, but I think its about $2000 or so. Luckily, our other 3 indoor swaps make a little so we dont loose anything overall each year. The costs to put on Extravaganza include the huge tent, tables and chairs, the hotel rental for the ballroom and meeting rooms for 2 days, band for the "Radio Reception",. publicity, muchies and drinks in the hospitality area, etc. Its all volunteers, too. Mark Oppat "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:esCdnfYod_zheSzZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com... > thanks so much for the kind words, Michael. We at MARC aim to please! > > > Mark Oppat > > > "michaeljpro" wrote in message > news:1152502779.289178.299750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > John Stone wrote: > > > On 7/9/06 10:26 AM, in > article -6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com, > > > "Mark Oppat" wrote: > > > > > > > Attendance might have been down a > > > > little, as was sellers but you'd hardly know by all the activity! It > almost > > > > seemed to me like there was still the same amount of STUFF there! > > > > > > Mark, I would say attendance was down substantially-at least on Friday. > The > > > last 2 rows of seller spaces were nearly empty, and parking spots were > easy > > > to find. I don't fault MARC in any way for this; they did their usual > great > > > job. I just think with the cost of gas ($3.10-$3.15/gal between Chgo and > > > Lansing), and the easy availability of goods over the internet, that > these > > > meets are generally falling on hard times. I agree there was still a lot > of > > > good stuff there, and I picked up a number of parts I needed. But any > number > > > of sellers were commenting on not selling as well as they had hoped. > > > We'll see what happens at Bolingbrook, but I wouldn't be surprised to > see a > > > smaller crowd there as well. > > > > It was my second year driving down from north of Toronto and it was > > worth every gallon of gas and the 6 hour drive (seemed longer this year > > due to all the road construction on I-69). Lansing provides us > > Canadian collectors the opportunity to experience a radio meet the way > > it should be - well organized, great people and great radios. We have > > nothing like it in Canada. The radios I bought at Extravaganza could > > not be found here at home. I primarily collect transistor radios and I > > couldn't believe the number of quality sets available. > > A special thanks goes out to John & Jean Goller for their kindness and > > generosity and thanks to the Michigan Radio Club for putting so much > > hard work into the event....world class!!! > > Ebay could never replace a "real, live" radio event! See you next year. > > Thanks, Michael. > > > > > > > > Article: 337166 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:46:12 -0400 Message-ID: Leave it! Remember, asbestos is ONLY dangerous if abraded and inhaled. The cases of abestosis were from workers who dealt with the stuff EXTENSIVELY over a long period of time! Mark Oppat "Steve" wrote in message news:44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... > Hi Guys, > Over the weekend I picked up a cute little Emerson radio. > Its an AA5 in an Ingram (wood) cabinet with 4 station pre-selector > buttons on top. Can't find a model number on it. > > Under the chassis, and on one side, there is what I think > is asbestos stapled to the inside of the cabinet. > Doesn't seem to be flaking off. Should I leave it or > remove it (carefully)? What have other done? > > Steve > > > Article: 337167 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 10 Jul 2006 09:04:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1152547465.706331.159370@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> In any case, I would use a method that causes the least disturbance of asbestos material. Check this website for the risks. http://www.airborneasbestos.com/ Article: 337168 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Rex Hunt Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <1152410698.768263.234460@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:58:46 GMT Engineer wrote: > Bill Jeffrey wrote: >> Ken G. wrote: >>> I need a 120 volt transmitter so i can run radios cordless . You plug >>> the trans. box in the wall then the reciever box into the radio & run >>> cordless . >>> >> Ken - >> >> All the kidding notwithstanding, and assuming you are serious and not >> trolling, you have to provide a little more detail. >> >> First, how much power will the radio consume? > > (snip) > > Exactly. BTW, RFID keyless entry is cordless! The door transmitter > induces a few microwatts into the transceiver, e.g key fob, which then > lights up and transmits the code back to the door unit, modulated on > another frequency. Of course the code is not very entertaining, so we > might want to try that in an cordless AA5... The base unit would fry > you. > Cheers, > Roger > Could he possibly be thinking of a carrier current transmitter? Article: 337169 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:10:20 -0700 Message-ID: <18314-44B289FC-319@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: James: Welcome! It's always refreshing when younger folks take an interest in vintage tube radios. Warning however: it's very addictive and you will soon be assimilated. Subject: Re: LANSING REPORT Date: 10 Jul 2006 10:38:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1152553118.939751.32580@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <-6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com> It was a "grand" affair. The diligent effort that the MARC people and volunteers put into it is not lost on me. I enjoyed meeting some of the top collectors and fellow members to make it a very memorable event. I hope Dan Gutowski was able to connect with the guy own brought in the rare R-389 VLF communications receiver. It would have been a nice addition to my R-390A collection but the price was too rich for me. I enjoyed immensely the Philco history seminar put on by Doug Houston as well as your service seminar, Mark. I want to thank both you and Doug for passing on the advice on how to resolve my Philco Model 20 tracking problem. I was only able to attend Friday and had to miss the two auctions on Saturday due to another commitment. It would have been a good opportunity to pickup a radio or two. Maybe next year I will be able to book the entire weekend. Mark Goodwin MARC Member Mark Oppat wrote: > just got the report from our treasurer, and the "Good Buy Affair" AKA > "Donation Auction" totalled over $1100! That is a record amount, topping > last year by about $400. That money goes to MARC to offset our costs of the > show. > BTW, Extravaganza always looses a little money each year. I dont recall > for sure, but I think its about $2000 or so. Luckily, our other 3 indoor > swaps make a little so we dont loose anything overall each year. The costs > to put on Extravaganza include the huge tent, tables and chairs, the hotel > rental for the ballroom and meeting rooms for 2 days, band for the "Radio > Reception",. publicity, muchies and drinks in the hospitality area, etc. > > Its all volunteers, too. > > Mark Oppat > > > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > news:esCdnfYod_zheSzZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@comcast.com... > > thanks so much for the kind words, Michael. We at MARC aim to please! > > > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > "michaeljpro" wrote in message > > news:1152502779.289178.299750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > John Stone wrote: > > > > On 7/9/06 10:26 AM, in > > article -6WdnWKn8IUZgizZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@comcast.com, > > > > "Mark Oppat" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Attendance might have been down a > > > > > little, as was sellers but you'd hardly know by all the activity! > It > > almost > > > > > seemed to me like there was still the same amount of STUFF there! > > > > > > > > Mark, I would say attendance was down substantially-at least on > Friday. > > The > > > > last 2 rows of seller spaces were nearly empty, and parking spots were > > easy > > > > to find. I don't fault MARC in any way for this; they did their usual > > great > > > > job. I just think with the cost of gas ($3.10-$3.15/gal between Chgo > and > > > > Lansing), and the easy availability of goods over the internet, that > > these > > > > meets are generally falling on hard times. I agree there was still a > lot > > of > > > > good stuff there, and I picked up a number of parts I needed. But any > > number > > > > of sellers were commenting on not selling as well as they had hoped. > > > > We'll see what happens at Bolingbrook, but I wouldn't be surprised to > > see a > > > > smaller crowd there as well. > > > > > > It was my second year driving down from north of Toronto and it was > > > worth every gallon of gas and the 6 hour drive (seemed longer this year > > > due to all the road construction on I-69). Lansing provides us > > > Canadian collectors the opportunity to experience a radio meet the way > > > it should be - well organized, great people and great radios. We have > > > nothing like it in Canada. The radios I bought at Extravaganza could > > > not be found here at home. I primarily collect transistor radios and I > > > couldn't believe the number of quality sets available. > > > A special thanks goes out to John & Jean Goller for their kindness and > > > generosity and thanks to the Michigan Radio Club for putting so much > > > hard work into the event....world class!!! > > > Ebay could never replace a "real, live" radio event! See you next year. > > > Thanks, Michael. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article: 337171 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Spam: abuse@euskaltel.es Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:37:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: <44B26512.32C1C96B@earthlink.net> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:34:17 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: >Planet Seven BettyBoobs wrote: > > > Spam report it with full headers to: abuse@euskaltel.es Done. Also, our local moron, 66fourdoor on eBay, the nefariously stupid Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA, aka "CAINE" and a raft of others, is spamming again, even after having yet another Google account shut down for spamming. I note with amusement that he took particular care not to spam in HERE this time. Article: 337172 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:40:24 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 9 Jul 2006 11:04:40 -0700, "Cartrivision1" wrote: >FA: Zenith Trans Note the pretty lousy feedback. Article: 337173 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: isotope115@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Date: 10 Jul 2006 11:03:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1152554597.366789.110330@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Ken G. About thirty years ago I reviewed a proposal to beam electricity from space via a large array of microwave transmitters. Each transmnitter would be powered by a solar panel. There would be an array of receiving antennas spread over a few acres to receive the power back on earth. It appeared technically feasable, but incredibly expensive. Currently, there is a product that will beam power through a fiber optic cable. A laser is used at the transmitting end, and a photodiode provides voltage at the receiving end. It might power a small transistor radio, but not much more. Ken M. Article: 337174 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:44:52 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1152489361.855769.218740@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> On 9 Jul 2006 16:56:01 -0700, "John S." wrote: > >Uncle Peter wrote: >> "Cartrivision1" wrote in message >> news:1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> > FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW Portable Radio w/ all >> > Manuals. To view auction follow link below: >> > >> You're feedback SUCKS bigtime, dude. > >Disagree completely...2 negatives from 2004 are hardly the same as two >within the last 30 days. Read beyond the Ebay summary rating number >before posting messages like this. You're delusional. Anyone with feedback like this is suspect. The fact that he's a Usenet spammer like Charlie Nudo adds more "cause to pause." Article: 337175 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:48:32 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1152509779.347604.74180@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 9 Jul 2006 22:36:19 -0700, "Cartrivision1" wrote: >I would most likely have numerous more positives but due to my bad >experiences I no longer post feedback until the buyer does first. That's called "laying in wait," and is the mark of a schlock eBayer. "fixyourownpc" = NOT recommended. Same personality disorders as 66fourdoor/Charlie Nudo..."All my problems are caused by someone else...." Article: 337176 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:20:17 -0400 Message-ID: uh, John, do you still smoke? Mark Oppat "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:qlusg.829665$084.386310@attbi_s22... > In article <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, zarco@sonic.net > says... > > > > > >Hi Guys, > >Over the weekend I picked up a cute little Emerson radio. > >Its an AA5 in an Ingram (wood) cabinet with 4 station pre-selector > >buttons on top. Can't find a model number on it. > > > >Under the chassis, and on one side, there is what I think > >is asbestos stapled to the inside of the cabinet. > >Doesn't seem to be flaking off. Should I leave it or > >remove it (carefully)? What have other done? > > > > Steve > > > > > I remove them ... outside with zero wind.. stuff into double sealed > baggie.. also carefully wipe out any loose fibers with damp rag.. > put rag also in baggie ... wear mask ... don't breathe the stuff > while removing it.. > John k9uwa > > Article: 337177 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Eric Pierce Subject: Re: Sound editing software References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:21:58 -0700 Gary, I have used Sound Forge for years, and I'm currently on v.8. If you have a legitimate copy of Sound Forge that you purchased, you can get the serial number from them. Go to their website and there should be a customer service telephone number to call. really easy. Your not the first SF owner to misplace an serial number! Eric Gary Tayman wrote: > In the past we've talked somewhat about computer software for working > with/cleaning up old recordings. > > Personally I bought Sound Forge 5.0 several years ago and have used it > extensively for cutting/pasting/mixing audio. However one day I upgraded my > computer, and when I went to install the Sound Forge, it asked for my serial > number (which I could not find). So I did the next best thing -- I found a > bootleg copy and installed that (which happened to be version 7). Article: 337178 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 10 Jul 2006 11:32:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1152556337.631524.20730@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> nesesu wrote: > The generally accepted procedure is to seal it with a latex binder. > Once the surface and edges are soaked with the latex and it has cured, > there will be no bits of asbestos fibre coming off and it is prefectly > safe. > It is not safe to remove it unless asbestos handling procedures are > followed, and in any case it IS there for a purpose. It is supposed to > protect the wood case for overheated components [resistors, tubes, > etc.] so you would need to replace it with something equally effective. > > Neil S. > > Steve wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > Over the weekend I picked up a cute little Emerson radio. > > Its an AA5 in an Ingram (wood) cabinet with 4 station pre-selector > > buttons on top. Can't find a model number on it. > > > > Under the chassis, and on one side, there is what I think > > is asbestos stapled to the inside of the cabinet. > > Doesn't seem to be flaking off. Should I leave it or > > remove it (carefully)? What have other done? > > > > Steve Latex is not a suitable binder if heat-resistance is at issue. The technical term for the process is "encapsulation" and the idea is to bind the fibers in place and to each other so that they do not become airborne... the only time asbestos is known to be dangerous. My process is to use Ambroid Cement cut 1:1 with acetone. Soak it into the asbestos, allow to dry, soak again. This process is effective, and when cured retains the resistance of the asbestos against heat. There is a much longer description complete with cautions and caveats elsewhere in the archives. But suffice it to say that all the proper precautions should be observed for Acetone, Asbestos, work area and so-forth. This includes respirators, working outdoors and so-forth. As to removal and disposal... that is an interesting situation. It takes only one (1) fiber to cause asbestosis given enough time, and although the chances are slim why lean into the punch? And if one smokes, those odds increase hugely. Better it should be left in place and rendered inert. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337179 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Booster for ceramic cartridge? Date: 10 Jul 2006 11:37:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1152556668.496343.294720@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152266647.043604.245520@s53g2000cws.googlegroups.com> Radio Rambler wrote: > Q: does this amp use the same pair of jacks (L+R) for both magnetic or > ceramic cartridges & uses a switch to choose the type of input (Mag / Cer)? Yes, that is exactly what it has. However, I think I'll try the V-M turntable with the louder Ronette cartridge first, as soon as I can yank it from the player it's in now... Gerry Article: 337180 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Frank Dresser" References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <9qhsg.5609$ye3.3887@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:39:22 GMT "Gregory Morrow" wrote in message news:9qhsg.5609$ye3.3887@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > Beloved Leader wrote: > > > Another one bites the dust. Someday, iPods will be antiques. > > > > > This is quite simply lazy reporting. Despite WBEZ's ending of music > programming we have for jazz the very excellent College of DuPage radio > station, WDCB...I have *long* preferred it to 'BEZ, the programming is > generally much more fresh and innovative: > > http://www.wdcb.org/ > > -- > Best > Greg > > I haven't been following this story closely. Does the iPod excuse come from WBEZ, or are the reporters inventing it? Frank Dresser Article: 337181 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1152504337.555789.252700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152538078.680839.130800@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:44:38 -0500 John S. wrote: > cmdr buzz corey wrote: >> Cartrivision1 wrote: >>> FA: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW Portable Radio w/ all >> Spam your ebay auction somewhere else > > I disagree unless we are going to ban links to auctions by ALL members > of this group and not just a select few. We will have to ban links by > a few long time members who also shill their auctions. And of course we > will have to ban the long-running forum sport of providing links to and > nasty comments about auctions of certain competing dealers. > > You'll note the X-posting. No telling from which group one is responding. Cross-posting in and of itself is bad form. When it's done for (semi) commercial purposes, it's even worse. jak Article: 337182 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: 10 Jul 2006 11:57:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1152557864.561997.155780@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152494831.754578.307110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > In article , > jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com says... > > > > > > > >Looks very similar to a Sparton 667 cabinet. > > > >jim menning > > > > > Welcome to the world of collecting and restoring old radios!.. > > Yes it is a Non-Zenith cabinet... but not all that bad looking.. > > do NOT BUY THE GLASS FROM ANTIQUE ELECTRONICS SUPPLY ... > > IT WILL NOT FIT CORRECTLY ... the one they are selling has too > much concavity to it and will set the chassis back into the cabinet > too far.... > > your looking for an 8 1/2" glass order it from Bill Turner > > dialcover@webtv.net > 1117 Pike Street, > Saint Charles, MO 63301 > > Phone: 636- 949-2210 > > See Bill's website for the prices on the glass.. > > www.dialcover.com > > The Chassis is correct for a Walton 7 tube radio... and sold after > proper restoration will bring considerably more than you paid... > also if the Zenith speaker is there its worth about 1/2 of > what you paid unless its the one with the accoustic adapter then > its worth more than U paid for the whole works.. > > Also fits 7s260 would be the correct zenith console cabinet.. > > John k9uwa never had a prob with the dial glass...... Article: 337183 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:12:27 -0700 Message-ID: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Thanks for the suggestions! I'll seal it in place for now. That way it will retain its originality and heat shielding capability. Steve Article: 337184 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "wagil" Subject: WW II Benchley Park wireless Date: 10 Jul 2006 12:41:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Can anyone suggest a website or a book that discusses the role of Benchley Park in the wireless spying in WWII? Wayne G Article: 337185 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless Date: 10 Jul 2006 12:52:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1152561152.810014.152950@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Do you mean Bletchley Park in the UK?? Neil S. wagil wrote: > Can anyone suggest a website or a book that discusses the role of > Benchley Park in the wireless spying in WWII? > > Wayne G Article: 337186 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless Date: 10 Jul 2006 12:52:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1152561153.883387.201930@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wagil wrote: > Can anyone suggest a website or a book that discusses the role of > Benchley Park in the wireless spying in WWII? > > Wayne G Wasn't that Bletchly? I could be wrong. To answer your question, 'fraid not. I loved the docu-drama about the code crackers - what was that..."Enigma". Tox Article: 337187 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Travis Ogden" Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:53:03 -0500 Message-ID: <12b5c8gfcvk2l26@corp.supernews.com> References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Wayne, Do you mean "Bletchley Park" ? I Googled that and found many, many results. Travis "wagil" wrote in message news:1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Can anyone suggest a website or a book that discusses the role of > Benchley Park in the wireless spying in WWII? > > Wayne G > Article: 337188 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <1152554597.366789.110330@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <%iysg.80596$3B.26767@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:57:47 GMT isotope115@yahoo.com wrote: > Ken G. > > About thirty years ago I reviewed a proposal to beam electricity from > space via a large array of microwave transmitters. Each transmnitter > would be powered by a solar panel. There would be an array of > receiving antennas spread over a few acres to receive the power back on > earth. It appeared technically feasable, but incredibly expensive. > > Currently, there is a product that will beam power through a fiber > optic cable. A laser is used at the transmitting end, and a photodiode > provides voltage at the receiving end. It might power a small > transistor radio, but not much more. > > Ken M. Actually, I was thinking of something a lot simpler, but it doesn't make sense to go any further with design considerations until Ken replies. Bill Article: 337189 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:14:19 -0500 wagil wrote: > Can anyone suggest a website or a book that discusses the role of > Benchley Park in the wireless spying in WWII? > > Wayne G > > I've got one...somewhere. It's a bio of one of the head 'boffins' there during his war years. IIRC, it was pretty old when I picked it up used. I couldn't say what the title is, much less whether it was still in print. I really must dig out my WWII library...several hundred books worth. I keep moving, and it's hard enough to find places for everything I need at hand. jak Article: 337190 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Date: 10 Jul 2006 13:24:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1152563098.666681.296270@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> > > Currently, there is a product that will beam power through a fiber > > optic cable. A laser is used at the transmitting end, and a photodiode > > provides voltage at the receiving end. It might power a small > > transistor radio, but not much more. Now that's an idea! You could cover the fiber optic cable with cloth covering so it would look like an antique power cord. Voila! :-] Tox Article: 337191 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Date: 10 Jul 2006 13:30:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1152563447.229990.325520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Beloved Leader wrote: > FEATURE-Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod > > By Deborah Cohen > > CHICAGO, July 6 (Reuters) - The iPod and a growing need for local news > have done the unthinkable: They have cost Chicago, one of America's > great jazz cities, its last major source for jazz programming on local > radio. Unbelievable. What is a "major source for jazz"? Are there ANY others? I mean, I live in a rural area with two towns 30 mi. apart each <100,000 population. We have no less than 4 FM stations that play jazz, either mostly or at certain times. Three are affiliated with Universities, and the fourth is a non-profit community radio station. I just can't believe a market as big as Chicago can't sustain any jazz on the radio?? Or are there smaller ones such as I have described, that aren't considered "major". And if so, who cares? If they play the stuff and you can listen to it. I don't get it. Tox Article: 337192 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "The Farmers" Subject: Who makes repro Atwater Kent Breadboard Boards? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:43:20 -0500 I need a wooden board for an Atwater Kent model 1 or model 2 breadboard radio. Does anyone have a useable original board, or is there anyone that makes a good quality reproduction? Thanks, Greg Farmer Article: 337193 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "chriswch_ca" Subject: Radio wood cabinet makers ID numbers stamped in diamond? Date: 10 Jul 2006 13:49:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1152564584.358552.74330@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Where can I get a list of cabinet makers, identifying them by the number embossed in a diamond shaped stamp on the back or the bottom of the cabinet? Examples are a PHILCO 96 (stamped 25, Philco's number for the Red Lion Co.?), a Zenith 5S218 (stamped 19, Maddox Table Co.?), two Zenith 8H034 (stamped 22, Zenith's number for the Red Lion Co.?), a Zenith 4B131 (stamped 3), a Zenith 6S330 (stamped 3). Article: 337194 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:20:18 GMT wagil wrote: > Can anyone suggest a website or a book that discusses the role of > Benchley Park in the wireless spying in WWII? > > Wayne G > I think you mean Bletchley Park. At east Google gets a lot more hits on that name. Bill Article: 337195 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gregory Morrow" References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <9qhsg.5609$ye3.3887@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:25:05 GMT Frank Dresser wrote: > "Gregory Morrow" wrote in > message news:9qhsg.5609$ye3.3887@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > > > Beloved Leader wrote: > > > > > Another one bites the dust. Someday, iPods will be antiques. > > > > > > > > > This is quite simply lazy reporting. Despite WBEZ's ending of music > > programming we have for jazz the very excellent College of DuPage radio > > station, WDCB...I have *long* preferred it to 'BEZ, the programming is > > generally much more fresh and innovative: > > > > http://www.wdcb.org/ > > > > -- > > Best > > Greg > > > > > > I haven't been following this story closely. Does the iPod excuse come from > WBEZ, or are the reporters inventing it? I wonder about that myself. How much of the iPod demographic is listening to jazz and blues? Not a whole lot, I'd think... Here's the latest on the changes: http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/cst-ftr-wbez10.html# WBEZ change don't come EZ July 10, 2006 BY MIKE THOMAS Staff Reporter "In a quiet production studio at WBEZ-FM (91.5), 81-year-old radio host Dick Buckley sits before stacks of CDs (Count Basie, Louis Armstrong, Lester Young), a few vinyl albums and a large red microphone to tape his longstanding and beloved Sunday afternoon toe-tapper. Pouring over liner notes -- his eyes hooded by Andy Rooney-esque brows that complement unruly white hair and a matching beard -- he ponders which tunes to spin and what words to utter. After nearly three decades of playing what he calls "Jazz with a capital J" (that is to say, traditional as opposed to lite or experimental) and sharing his airwaves with such musical monoliths as Basie, Oscar Peterson and Sonny Stitt, "Jazz With Dick Buckley" has become embedded in his being. "I do the show," he says of his mostly regular routine. "It's one of those things I do." Come spring, Buckley won't do it anymore. In early April, management announced that Chicago Public Radio -- which includes WBEZ and its suburban satellites WBEW-FM (89.5) in Chesterton and WBEQ-FM (90.7) in Morris -- would drop music programming altogether, instead of making the satellites music-only spin-offs as originally planned. As a result, Buckley's three-hour, casually paced staple will cease to exist when the stations switch to all-news-and-talk formats. Every other music program, including "Encanto Latino" with Catalina Maria Johnson and "Comin' Home" with Niles Frantz, will suffer the same fate. "The shock was reading it in the paper instead of having them tell me in person," Buckley says, speaking more freely once his producer (who "represents management") leaves the room. "After nearly 30 years of doing the show, to read it in the paper that you're not gonna have the show anymore -- you'd think that they could've gotten in touch with me, they could've told me in person. They didn't." A pregnant pause. "It was a blow to the solar plexus." Save the music Lots of listeners -- Buckley's and others -- feel likewise. Music programming, they contend, is a vital part of grant- and listener-supported WBEZ's service to the community. In Chicago, where musical roots (of jazz and blues, in particular) run deep, the decision to drop every music block on the schedule seems especially egregious. "The real issue to us is that this is public radio," says businessman Mike Widell, a veteran WBEZ supporter and jazz maven who helms the Web site www.savethemusiconwbez.org with Chicago entertainment attorney Hillel Frankel. " 'BEZ has a good strong signal that's available throughout the area, and it's really the only station that has been playing jazz for all this time, along with other music you can't find anywhere else." Since their site -- one of two Internet rallying points where WBEZ listeners can voice dismay; the other is www.boycottcpr.com -- went up a couple of months ago, more than 3,600 people have signed a cyber petition and expressed concerns (not always nicely) on a blog. ("I am continuously amazed," one correspondent wrote, "at the cajones these unknowing buffoons display.") Several vowed to pull financial support. Why all the ire, when alternatives to regular radio abound? Don't satellite and HD radio offer songs of every conceivable sort? Isn't the Web rife with music, from streaming audio to iTunes downloads? "I work with computers all day," Chicago area editor and longtime WBEZ loyalist Susan Nelson says. "I want to be able to turn on a regular old-fashioned radio. I want to have it in the car. I don't want to have to wear a headset. I don't want to have to have a satellite dish on the edge of my house. I don't want to have to sit in front of the computer and get speakers hooked up from the computer to the rest of my house. I just want to have it the way it is." Even the University of Chicago's music faculty has weighed in. "Music for us is the soul that reaches beyond words," the department wrote in an open letter to the station. "At the end of the day, music is what makes it worth having used words -- and the end of the day in this instance might be 11 a.m. on Sunday, 8 p.m. on a weekday, or anytime we turn on Chicago Public Radio to hear music." 'Not a small thing' Much of the outrage over WBEZ's forthcoming format switch is directed toward the station's president and general manager, Torey Malatia, who's spearheading the transformation. "It never fails to amaze me when a dictator like Torey Malatia gets into a position in life where he can force his whims and ideals on the majority of a population," Daniel Arnswald wrote on the savethemusiconwbez.com blog. "It's time to demand his removal ... if for no other reason than gross ignorance." Added Debra Miller, "It shouldn't be called public radio anymore if Malatia and his board don't listen to the public and what we want." Malatia says he has listened to the public -- repeatedly. "We've been talking about this since 2000, 2001," he says. "And we've done lots and lots of public study before we would do anything like this. This is not a small thing, so it's not something you would do without thinking about it and talking to people and working with the board and staff and advisory council and surveying the audience and all kinds of stuff." The newly revamped stations will still play music -- just not as they do now. Instead, Malatia says, music will be featured "in a much more catholic way throughout the schedule, throughout the week, as opposed to in a block of time. Which means it's more likely to reach a mixture of people who are already into it and people who are novices." WBEZ will still have music segments on the morning program "Eight Forty-eight," music specials on Sunday night as well as celebrations of artists and musical milestones. "It's not like music is banned forever from the radio station," Malatia says. "But if what you're after is turning on the radio at 8 o'clock and relaxing with a good book and listening to nothing but music for long stretches of time, you'll be disappointed, because that won't be there." Worked in the past Those who've studied such shifts think WBEZ is headed in the right direction. "They should fare better financially," says Tom Taylor, editor of the industry journal Inside Radio. "The history at other public stations suggests that this is a smart business move." Talk, Taylor says, brings in "significantly more" money from donors than music. Why? "It may have more universal appeal in the sense that it sweeps across divisions. You don't have to be a classical fan, you don't have to like a particular kind of music." The expanded WBEZ news programming is expected to include both local and nationally syndicated shows. The two suburban stations, Malatia has said, will offer "more varied, highly localized news and public affairs, encompassing everything from arts, culture and music to discussion, debate, commentary and storytelling." Michael Harrison, publisher of Talkers magazine, says Chicago Public Radio's new path "is likely to make them healthier than it would be if they clung to an old paradigm. Clearly it's the smarter thing to do." It has been done several times before, with positive results. When WHYY-FM in Philadelphia dropped music programming in 1990, 3,000 letters poured in >from bristling listeners. "Yes, there were people whose good will we were never able to re-earn," Nessa Forman, the station's vice president for corporate communications, writes in an e-mail. But the 42 percent increase in listenership from 1993 to 2005 was no doubt salve a-plenty. Something similar happened in New York. Phil Redo, former general manager of WLIT-FM (93.9) in Chicago, spent several years running New York's flagship public radio station WNYC-FM/AM before heading to Boston, where he oversees five commercial FM stations for Greater Media Inc. Following WNYC's switch to mostly news and talk (it kept evening classical programming) shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, Redo says, "The station's audience grew by 40 percent in three years. And all of the listener-sensitive revenue -- the pledge drives and other related things -- increased equally." In that light, Redo characterizes WBEZ's undertaking as "a smart move." It's also a tough one, he says, "when you are eliminating something for which there is a constituency in Chicago, which has both a jazz heritage and a station that directly has a jazz heritage as part of their DNA." Few know this better than Buckley. "If I were in management's place, I'd let it alone," he says of his popular program. On the wall behind him, above a digital "On the Air" sign that's currently blank, a clock conspicuously ticks away the seconds on its large red hand. "But I've been in radio long enough that I've had stations sold out from under me several times. It's nothing new. And when management makes a decision, it's carved in stone and no amount of complaining, listener support, no amount of anything will change it." Article: 337196 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gregory Morrow" References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1152563447.229990.325520@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:31:04 GMT toxcrusadr wrote: > Beloved Leader wrote: > > FEATURE-Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod > > > > By Deborah Cohen > > > > CHICAGO, July 6 (Reuters) - The iPod and a growing need for local news > > have done the unthinkable: They have cost Chicago, one of America's > > great jazz cities, its last major source for jazz programming on local > > radio. > > Unbelievable. > > What is a "major source for jazz"? Are there ANY others? I mean, I > live in a rural area with two towns 30 mi. apart each <100,000 > population. We have no less than 4 FM stations that play jazz, either > mostly or at certain times. Three are affiliated with Universities, > and the fourth is a non-profit community radio station. I just can't > believe a market as big as Chicago can't sustain any jazz on the > radio?? The listening demographic for jazz has been shrinking for years now... Besides which 'BEZ is looking to increase it's audience share, they think that dumping jazz and blues will help do this. They are probably right, see the Chicago _Sun - Times_ article I posted... Or are there smaller ones such as I have described, that > aren't considered "major". And if so, who cares? If they play the > stuff and you can listen to it. I don't get it. See my above post regarding WDCB... -- Best Greg Article: 337197 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:35:58 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Re: Look What I Bought Today for $70- References: <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com> <4%rsg.28810$FQ1.27608@attbi_s71> Message-ID: <_MCdnXlu1_ZWSC_ZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: Hi Tom ... its not that far for you to Fort Wayne, IN to get it... there are other consoles here also that need new deserving homes ... think I have 4 (four) yes 4 Zenith 6s152 consoles.... like I need 4 of the same model?.. You, sir, are a scoundrel;) . Teasing me with consoles at a moment when I have little space to put them. And those 6s152s are sooo easy to repair, too. I keep forgetting that you have a garage+ full of radios. I'll be coming to Fort Wayne in the next few months to check out NKP 755. I'll have to arrange for a visit and maybe relieve you of some of your burden. Article: 337198 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:41:01 -0700 Message-ID: <2lj5b2l527fvdshf0dcrf522fgc04mh812@4ax.com> References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <9qhsg.5609$ye3.3887@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:25:05 GMT, "Gregory Morrow" wrote: >In early April, management announced that Chicago Public Radio -- which >includes WBEZ and its suburban satellites WBEW-FM (89.5) in Chesterton and >WBEQ-FM (90.7) in Morris -- would drop music programming altogether, instead >of making the satellites music-only spin-offs as originally planned. As a >result, Buckley's three-hour, casually paced staple will cease to exist when >the stations switch to all-news-and-talk formats. Every other music program, >including "Encanto Latino" with Catalina Maria Johnson and "Comin' Home" >with Niles Frantz, will suffer the same fate. This is only a fractionally small part of the story...it's part of the "republicanization" of NPR across the country, also seen with Pacifica Broadcasting in California a couple of years ago, and with NPR affiliate KUSC, from the "University of Spoiled Children," just to name two. The Republicans, prodded by their corporate money machine handlers, have been pushing for "mainstreaming" of NPR-affiliated outlets in order to "prep" them for commercial takeover by such goon squad corporate braodcasting juggernauts as Clear Channel and...well, there's hardly anyone else left, now, is there? In California, Pacifica, founded in the late '40s by pacifist Quakers and a longtime countercultural beacon on the FM dials of both the San Francisco and Los Angeles markets, has long been a thorn in the side of Korporate Amerika and their political lackeys. Not long ago, a major scrambling of management occured with a "corporate friendly" director installed almost immediately. Gone were the pro-labor programs, the ecclectic music programs, the wide-ranging political programs...all replaced with what could best be called "talk radio with a leftward spin....sometimes"...innocuous, non-thought provoking, generally flaccid in content and appeal. However, the shift, while pissing off many splinters of the stations' respective communities, increased market share, as the latter paragraphs of the Sun-Times article said it did in other places. The demographics of the market share they gained what exactly the target that commercial interests are most coveting...better-heeled, politically inert, luxury loving boomers with disposable income galore. Before the usual suspects say that this is just another smear of the Republicans, one should consider that the station manager involved in all the "format change" tulmult in Berkeley was none other than a minion of that "centrist" Democrat, William J. Clinton. No other Democrat in history soaked up as much corporate money as Clinton has, and of course, there must be a reason. A similar shift happened at LA's only classical station (aside form LPs and college trust owned stations) at the time, KUSC. The "University of Spoiled Children," flush with cash from corporate alumni, had a dynamite signal with a new Harris tranmitter and a great site...which money always provides. However, their fare was purely the stuff of classical public radio...ecclectic, educational, off-the-beaten-path...in short, a marvelous stew that entertained and enlightened hard core music lovers. That all changed not long before the brouhaha at Pacifica happened. Out with the old...out with all the thoughtful, student- and community-produced programming, in with the "broadcast professionals," who switched the station from a beacon for many divergent tastes into "Top 40 classical"...."All Beethoven's hits, all the time." Android-like studio announcers replaced show hosts with their banter of facts and interviews with musicians....no time for THAT! We have rich ladies in Beverly Hills to attract...and they did. True to form, KUSC's market share increased prodigeously...although the "old" listeners were kicked to the curb in favor of the well-heeled, monied elite who use "top 40 classical" as an ornament in their mansions and offices. Again, not long after all this happened, in comes the new Bush Bird Administration appointee to be president of NPR, and not long after that, came the "real commercials." The plan is abundently clear to anyone with half a brain still funcitonal...they're "grooming" NPR for a commercial spinoff...just like the House Repukes have tried recently to "spin off" the National Weather Service and many other assets of the taxpayers held to public service and devoid of corporate greed interests. Americans had better wake up, and soon...the Bushies and the Repukes in Congress are selling off your country, bit by bit, to their handlers. Once that happens, the much-talked about "Bush shadow government" of corporate interests will move out of the "shadow" and be in total control. You want that? If you do, you're most likely an idiot and probably flunked history in school...if you ever even graduated with a valid degree. Article: 337199 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Radiola RS binding post terminal cap needed Date: 10 Jul 2006 16:02:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1152572568.254720.145680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152541510.680512.295650@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mort, all I got was a "find it" page with not much clue as to what photo you are talking about. It certainly did not go to your specific item. Neil S. m82a1pa wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm searching for a binding post terminal cap to finish up the > restoration of my Radiola RS. > > Here's a link to some photos of what I need. > > http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57792 > > Thanks, > > Mort Denison > York, PA Article: 337200 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <44b2650f$0$3630$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44B2671F.B61C705D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Parts question and tale of acquisition Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:17:52 -0400 Message-ID: <44b2e01e$0$3631$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44B2671F.B61C705D@earthlink.net... > clfe wrote: >> >> First of all, this is NOT an advertisement. >> >> Anyone rely on Radio Shack for parts - anymore? Seems many are getting >> out >> of that aspect. "I" had the occasion yesterday to buy out a local store >> of >> quite a bit of their stock of parts and accessories. I didn't buy the >> DVD, >> VCR, Computer stuff or IPODs - I did "ALL" the components and connectors >> and >> such. The store is closing down so I did them a favor. I bought like >> $3000 >> worth for a mere fraction of the cost. I told them - give me your best >> deal >> and they did - one hell of a deal. Now to sort it all out. "WHEN" I sell >> them outward and most will be at some point (saving some for projects and >> personal use) - I'll ditch it for 1/2 retail at least to save someone >> else >> some cash. Some items I won't have use for at all, but they were thrown >> in - >> so I'll sell them for 1/2 of retail. Maybe make some grab bags up to sell >> at >> upcoming meets, on e-bay or my web site. >> >> I often do buyouts such as this from stores, shops, estates, etc. I keep >> what I need and ditch the rest or throw into stock for future sale. I >> have >> come across many a good deal. I've acquired things I wanted for some >> time - >> in some cases and well, that one item was worth the buy - but selling the >> rest - paid for it. >> >> I AM curious though - this store was in a rather busy location - is this >> the >> start of a massive downfall? Are any of you seeing other stores dropping >> out? I was told there are a couple others in the area destined for the >> same >> fate. Hmmmmmmmm.......... > > Radio Shack is closing a lot of older stores, and in some areas > opening newer stores in places they hope to get more sales. The oldest > store in Ocala has already closed, but the manager told me that they > were to open a new store within a year at a location that was easier to > get in and out of. The highway (40) had been widened and you had to be > damn careful getting in and out of the parking lot because the traffic > was so thick. > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida I'm kinda curious as to which of the other local stores are to be closing soon. I know the "closest" one to me seems dead MOST of the time, so if it disappears - it would be no surprise. clfe Article: 337201 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:18:17 -0600 Message-ID: <26972-44B2E039-717@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> I remove every one i get and rid anyone else in the future of its possible trouble . Article: 337202 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Radio ID needed Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:31:32 -0600 Message-ID: <26973-44B2E354-195@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> References: http://radioatticarchives.com/images/a/Admiral_A-31_(1935)_Martin.jpg For one Article: 337203 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: 10 Jul 2006 16:43:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1152574980.761190.235980@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Bill Sheppard wrote: > James: > Welcome! It's always refreshing when younger folks take an > interest in vintage tube radios. Warning however: it's very addictive > and you will soon be assimilated. Here's a couple of neat sites that might help narrow > down what the original cabinet and grille cloth may have looked like: > www.radioblvd.com/ZenithPhoto.htm www.radiophile.com/12s267.htm > > What is the tube count (incl. tuning eye), > 7 or 9? > > Bill(oc) looks like a 7 tuber. the tuning knob appears to be one piece. the 9 and 12 tube chassis had a knob for the motorized tuning. Article: 337204 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: nospam_deepsea_77@yahoo.com (Space Charge) Subject: Zenith 7S633R Transformer Replacement Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:45:01 GMT Message-ID: <44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net> Have a 7S633R with a fried power xformer...I was thinking of trying an off-the-shelf Hammond from AES, their P/N P-T270CX. It's got two 6V secondaries, & each seems to be rated about right for the 6X5 rectifer, as well as having enough current capacity for the pilot lights/tube string: 275-0-275 @ 65ma Secondary #1: 6.3V@65ma Secondary #2: 6.3V@2.5A ...but I'd like something just a bit beefier, if it exists. The cooler it runs, the better. (But, maybe this will do.) Anyone have a better suggestion for a Hammond (or other) transformer for the purpose? Thanks to the group in advance, Lin/KJ6EF For email responses, remove "nospam_". Article: 337205 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Cartrivision1" Subject: Re: Zenith Transoceanic 3000-1 AM/FM/SW/LW w/ all Manuals Last Day!! Date: 10 Jul 2006 16:48:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1152575331.387372.77810@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1152468280.780568.224940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> DeserTBoB wrote: > On 9 Jul 2006 22:36:19 -0700, "Cartrivision1" wrote: > > >I would most likely have numerous more positives but due to my bad > >experiences I no longer post feedback until the buyer does first. > > That's called "laying in wait," and is the mark of a schlock eBayer. No, that is called C.Y.A., especially since I was "negged" by a non-paying bidder who was bidding on a lot of auctions he was not paying for. I left him a negative and he turns around and did the same to me. Now if I would had been smart and did what I do now my feedback would be a lot better. Same with the guy who left me a negative 2 months after the fact. And you might want to check first before you go and trash people on usenet. We have had numerous discussions on the 8-track group. I used to think somewhat highly of you but not anymore. Have fun stalking Nudo. CTV Article: 337206 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:39:25 GMT > I think you mean Bletchley Park. At east Google gets a lot more hits on > that name. > YES, yes it's "Bletchley Park", did it really to take FOUR people to tell him the SAME THING???? Geesss... Ron Article: 337207 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless Date: 10 Jul 2006 23:57:29 GMT Message-ID: References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "wagil" (wagil@aol.com) writes: > Can anyone suggest a website or a book that discusses the role of > Benchley Park in the wireless spying in WWII? > > Wayne G > I can't remember where it mainly takes place, but "Most Secret War" by R. V. Jones was pretty good about figuring out what the Germans were doing electronically. There's at least one biography of Alan Turing, which might be of interest. Books along these lines have been discussed here before, I know I've mentioned a book about radar development during WWII but can't recall the title, so doing some searches via google on the newsgroup might turn up some titles. Obviously, there was the work to decode what the enemy was doing. But then there was the intelligence work on figuring out what the enemy was developing, and then still the work the allies did to improve the condition. To be fair, I can't remember which of these took place at Bletchley Park. Micahel Article: 337208 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: 10 Jul 2006 17:40:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Hello, OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. This is a model 16 chassis BTW. Article: 337209 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <26973-44B2E354-195@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Radio ID needed Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:05:39 GMT That's pretty close. I don't remember the speaker grill. I do remember the cabinet finish being very plain, dark and not shiny at all. But that design in the middle of the dial is it for sure, "I think"... The shape of the cabinet is right, I remember the rounded part from the top into the front panel. If anyone has one of these I would sure be interested. Ron Ken G. wrote in message news:26973-44B2E354-195@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net... > http://radioatticarchives.com/images/a/Admiral_A-31_(1935)_Martin.jpg > > For one > Article: 337210 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jim Strickland" Subject: NEC NT-625 Date: 10 Jul 2006 18:19:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1152580766.354657.198940@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Recently got my hands on an NEC NT-625. This is my first transistor radio (that I intend to fix, at least :) Any hints? I expect the problems it has amount to bad electrolytic caps and a desperate need for alignment. Also, does anyone know where I can get a schematic for this thing? Otherwise I'm stuck assuming it's a pretty generic 6 transistor circuit. Finally, does anyone know any history on this thing? From what I'm seeing online it dates to about 1960, but I can't be any more precise than that, and I'd like to be. :) -Jim Article: 337211 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44B2FD0B.9F44469F@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:21:39 GMT Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > > > I think you mean Bletchley Park. At east Google gets a lot more hits on > > that name. > > > > YES, yes it's "Bletchley Park", did it really to take FOUR people > to tell him the SAME THING???? > > Geesss... > > Ron Look at the times when it the replies were posted. The first three were within a minute of each other, so they were all typing at the same time. The next reply was 21 minutes later, and if Jak had a number of messages to read its not an unreasonable time lag. This isn't a live chat room, after all. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337212 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <1152541510.680512.295650@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152572568.254720.145680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Radiola RS binding post terminal cap needed Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:30:09 -0500 "nesesu" wrote in message news:1152572568.254720.145680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > Mort, all I got was a "find it" page with not much clue as to what > photo you are talking about. It certainly did not go to your specific > item. > > Neil S. > > m82a1pa wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I'm searching for a binding post terminal cap to finish up the > > restoration of my Radiola RS. > > > > Here's a link to some photos of what I need. > > > > http://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57792 > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mort Denison > > York, PA Neil, I ran into the same trouble. Try the link as I amended it above, with the "www" inserted. HTH Nelson Article: 337213 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: tbavis@_remove_this_rochester.rr.com (Tom Bavis) Subject: Re: NEC NT-625 Message-ID: <44b2fecf.2672187@news-server> References: <1152580766.354657.198940@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:32:12 GMT On 10 Jul 2006 18:19:26 -0700, "Jim Strickland" wrote: >Recently got my hands on an NEC NT-625. This is my first transistor >radio (that I intend to fix, at least :) Any hints? I expect the >problems it has amount to bad electrolytic caps and a desperate need >for alignment. > >Also, does anyone know where I can get a schematic for this thing? >Otherwise I'm stuck assuming it's a pretty generic 6 transistor >circuit. > >Finally, does anyone know any history on this thing? From what I'm >seeing online it dates to about 1960, but I can't be any more precise >than that, and I'd like to be. :) > >-Jim > Sams Photofact folder 617-7, from1963. Article: 337214 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1152541510.680512.295650@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Radiola RS binding post terminal cap needed Message-ID: <%YCsg.49122$R26.15531@tornado.southeast.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:15:39 GMT > I'm searching for a binding post terminal cap to finish up the > restoration of my Radiola RS. > Mort, I'll bet that's a pretty rare item... How about $5 including postage. You can pay via PayPal to kc4yoy @ carolina.rr.com 73, Ron -- Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com WANTED! http://radioheaven.homestead.com/grknob.html Hard to find 2 pin mic connectors for BA rigs. http://radioheaven.homestead.com/2pinmicplug.html Article: 337215 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:40:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco From: John Stone Message-ID: References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 7/10/06 7:40 PM, in article 1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "RadioGary" wrote: > Hello, > > OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a > stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea > .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going > > down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant > within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or > EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > > Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > Do you have enough room to parallel a .1 and a .047? Article: 337216 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:49:19 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >uh, John, do you still smoke? > >Mark Oppat Yup I know... its gonna kill me faster than the asbestos will.. I don't take the stuff out for me... I take it out for some of the non-collector idiots in some cases that I sell radios to... at least I carefully take it out and dispose of it... some fool might decide to rub it and breathe the stuff... At least the pipe I am smoking probably won't kill me quite as fast as the Cigarettes I was smoking... If I had known I would live this long I would have taken better care of this old Bod! quote from one of my older buddies! John k9uwa Article: 337217 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <26972-44B2E039-717@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:51:13 GMT In article <26972-44B2E039-717@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>, goodguyy@webtv.net says... > > >I remove every one i get and rid anyone else in the future of its >possible trouble . > Ditto... I always make sure I am upwind a little .. and wearing the respirator... John k9uwa Article: 337218 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1152541510.680512.295650@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152572568.254720.145680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Radiola RS binding post terminal cap needed Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:52:54 GMT > Neil, > I ran into the same trouble. Try the link as I amended it above, > with the "www" inserted. HTH The link worked just fine for me using Firefox. Ron Article: 337219 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <4GDsg.29646$FQ1.19136@attbi_s71> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:03:44 GMT In article <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, n9vu@yahoo.com says... > > >Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. >This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > 0.1 Mfd caps should be fine in this one John k9uwa Article: 337220 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: hochaka@sbcglobal.net Subject: 7Z6 tube Date: 10 Jul 2006 19:14:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1152584057.242759.59180@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I recently was given about a dozen tubes. In them was a 7Z6 loctal which I have never heard of, don't have a test on either of my tube testers for, is not in any of my tube substituion books, not in my RCA or Westinghouse tube manuals, and I have no idea what type or use the tube is. Does anyone here know? There were a couple of good 6L6s to make up for it though!!! Thanks, Art Article: 337221 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Zenith 7S633R Transformer Replacement From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:19:18 GMT In article <44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net>, nospam_deepsea_77@yahoo.com says... > > >Have a 7S633R with a fried power xformer...I was thinking of trying an >off-the-shelf Hammond from AES, their P/N P-T270CX. > >It's got two 6V secondaries, & each seems to be rated about right for >the 6X5 rectifer, as well as having enough current capacity for the >pilot lights/tube string: > >275-0-275 @ 65ma >Secondary #1: 6.3V@65ma >Secondary #2: 6.3V@2.5A > >Lin/KJ6EF Hi Lin ... looks like a 6X5 and the fact that Zenith transformers are just barely large enough .. back when line voltage was 115 but todays 125 and a bad 6x5 and another one bites the dust... do yourself a favor when you get the new transformer in there... bust the glass off that 6x5 ... stuff two diodes inside the old tube base 3 to 8 and 5 to 8 ... 1N4007 or 1N4004 which really is a 1N4007 with lower stamped number on it.. does two things.. gets rid of some serious filament draw and also no chance of another shorted out 6x5 killing the new transformer If you search the past of this newsgroup for 6x5 you will find lots of posts .. many of them like you looking for power transformer. the transformer that is on this chassis will work in your radio and is made to fit the hole in it... http://www.oldradioparts.com/pg20p103.jpg see this page for ordering information http://www.oldradioparts.com/pg17.htm betting that you can purchase this whole chassis from Gary for less than the price of the AES transformer... and I didn't look at it... John k9uwa Article: 337222 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4GDsg.29646$FQ1.19136@attbi_s71> Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: John's right. Those are just bypass caps. You could go up to the .22 value as well, it matters not, really. Mark Oppat "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:4GDsg.29646$FQ1.19136@attbi_s71... > In article <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > n9vu@yahoo.com says... > > > > > >Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > >This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > > > > 0.1 Mfd caps should be fine in this one > > John k9uwa > > Article: 337223 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: Zenith 7S633R Transformer Replacement Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:24:20 -0400 Message-ID: watch out for mounting size! Beefier= larger, usually larger footprint! Those original 42 Zenith xfmrs were small and they didnt leave you much room there. Mark Oppat "Space Charge" wrote in message news:44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net... > Have a 7S633R with a fried power xformer...I was thinking of trying an > off-the-shelf Hammond from AES, their P/N P-T270CX. > > It's got two 6V secondaries, & each seems to be rated about right for > the 6X5 rectifer, as well as having enough current capacity for the > pilot lights/tube string: > > 275-0-275 @ 65ma > Secondary #1: 6.3V@65ma > Secondary #2: 6.3V@2.5A > > ...but I'd like something just a bit beefier, if it exists. The cooler > it runs, the better. (But, maybe this will do.) > > Anyone have a better suggestion for a Hammond (or other) transformer > for the purpose? > > Thanks to the group in advance, > > Lin/KJ6EF > For email responses, remove "nospam_". > Article: 337224 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <26972-44B2E039-717@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:34:44 -0400 Message-ID: can I say you guys are nuts and we can still be pals? OK, YOU GUYS ARE NUTS! There, I said it...! NOBODY will ever sit there and abrade the pad in an AA5 radio and inhale it and get asbestosis and die and sue you. Wont happen. Now, removing it creates a heat/burn hazard you are creating. I dont like that. LEAVE the pads alone. If loose in there, staple them up tight. Please, get off this "asbestos is a great evil" kick, you are just perpetuating the myth created by several NY area lawyers who twisted some data into what was probably the largest noose in history which strangled and bankrupted thousands of schools for absolutely NO good. In fact, the contractors who removed the stuff made a FAR more dangerous hazard (they, and the guvmint will never admit this of course). Asbestos is dangerous if inhaled in large doses. Mainly its the BLUE asbestos that is the most dangerous. It was used in many industrial applications, and auto brakes. I would not like to live near a busy intersection where brakes are applied constantly. BTW, asbestos is accepted freely in any landfill. It is rock, after all. Mark Oppat "Ken G." wrote in message news:26972-44B2E039-717@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net... > I remove every one i get and rid anyone else in the future of its > possible trouble . > > Article: 337225 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Zenith 7S633R Transformer Replacement Date: 10 Jul 2006 19:47:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1152586033.583386.258260@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net> John, it seems to me that when I was working on my 'new to me' Zenith 7S657, that a lot of the wiring under the chassis was petrified, especially the plain rubber insulated wire. I, luckily, did not have to mess with the potted power transformer wires, so I am not sure what their condition was, but I would be concerned about the leads where they break out from the potting. Perhaps you have a way of dealing with extracting a potted transformer's leads through a small chassis hole, without ruining the insulation, that you could share with the group. At least with a shell transformer you can open the shell[s], chip off all the wire insulation and put new sleeving on. My Zenith was the first set I had worked on with a potted power transformer, although I scrapped a S-C about 50 years ago that had one, so I have never had to deal much with trying to extract petrified wiring through a chassis hole and then re-installing in same. Comments and suggestions from others welcome, too. I think this is a useful topic for all of us! Neil S. John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > In article <44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net>, > nospam_deepsea_77@yahoo.com says... > > > > > >Have a 7S633R with a fried power xformer...I was thinking of trying an > >off-the-shelf Hammond from AES, their P/N P-T270CX. > > > >It's got two 6V secondaries, & each seems to be rated about right for > >the 6X5 rectifer, as well as having enough current capacity for the > >pilot lights/tube string: > > > >275-0-275 @ 65ma > >Secondary #1: 6.3V@65ma > >Secondary #2: 6.3V@2.5A > > > >Lin/KJ6EF > > > Hi Lin ... looks like a 6X5 and the fact that Zenith transformers > are just barely large enough .. back when line voltage was 115 > but todays 125 and a bad 6x5 and another one bites the dust... > > do yourself a favor when you get the new transformer in there... > bust the glass off that 6x5 ... stuff two diodes inside the old > tube base 3 to 8 and 5 to 8 ... 1N4007 or 1N4004 which really is > a 1N4007 with lower stamped number on it.. does two things.. > gets rid of some serious filament draw and also no chance of > another shorted out 6x5 killing the new transformer > > If you search the past of this newsgroup for 6x5 you will find > lots of posts .. many of them like you looking for power transformer. > > > the transformer that is on this chassis will work in your radio and > is made to fit the hole in it... > > http://www.oldradioparts.com/pg20p103.jpg > > see this page for ordering information > > http://www.oldradioparts.com/pg17.htm > > betting that you can purchase this whole chassis from Gary for > less than the price of the AES transformer... and I didn't look > at it... > > > John k9uwa Article: 337226 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Radiola RS binding post terminal cap needed Date: 10 Jul 2006 19:57:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1152586623.568092.212630@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152541510.680512.295650@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Thanks, Nelson, that got it to work! No clue from the photo about size or anything but they look about 5/16" x 32 or 3/8" x 32 and blind holes. Don't got nothing like that! Neil S. Nelson Gietz wrote: > "nesesu" wrote in message > news:1152572568.254720.145680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Mort, all I got was a "find it" page with not much clue as to what > > photo you are talking about. It certainly did not go to your specific > > item. > > > > Neil S. > > > > m82a1pa wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > I'm searching for a binding post terminal cap to finish up the > > > restoration of my Radiola RS. > > > > > > Here's a link to some photos of what I need. > > > > > > http://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57792 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mort Denison > > > York, PA > > Neil, > I ran into the same trouble. Try the link as I amended it above, > with the "www" inserted. HTH > Nelson Article: 337227 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Beloved Leader" Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Date: 10 Jul 2006 20:10:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1152587433.739006.10430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152378045.618247.72390@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Ken G. wrote: > I think the tuners for XM are down to 20$ now . I have seen, in Sunday newspaper advertising flyers, both XM and Sirius tuners/receivers/whatever free after the rebate at CompUSA. The advertising does not say that you have to subscribe to the service to get the rebate. These must be last year's models. I used to go buy that sort of stuff, but I haven't bought any of these. Article: 337228 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Solomon Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Message-ID: <5466b2l6ajjoqkqfrl7q15jeh77go81asp@4ax.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:11:12 GMT On 10 Jul 2006 17:40:20 -0700, "RadioGary" wrote: >Hello, > >OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a >stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea >.15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going >down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant >within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or >EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > >Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. >This is a model 16 chassis BTW. You can get .15 mfd 630 volt caps here: http://www.justradios.com/orderform.html Article: 337229 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Caveat Lector" References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:14:14 -0700 Loads on Google, but here is a pretty good one on the web http://www.picotech.com/applications/colossus.html The book I have is quite good as well- see Amazon.com for Hijacking Enigma: The Insider's Tale And PBS periodically has a TV program on the subject -- highly recommended http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2615decoding.html -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "wagil" wrote in message news:1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Can anyone suggest a website or a book that discusses the role of > Benchley Park in the wireless spying in WWII? > > Wayne G > Article: 337230 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: 50A1 EQUIVALENT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:27:27 -0500 Message-ID: <5350-44B31A9F-687@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> I HAVE SOLID STATE EQUIVALENTS BACK IN STOCK AS LONG A YOU DON'T ORDER TOO MANY RIGHT AWAY, MORE GLASS GLOBES TO ARRIVE "SOON". THE BATTERIES FOR THE ZENITH TRANSOCEANIC WILL BE AVAILABLE SHORTLY. BECAUSE I CAN NO LONGER MAKE THE CONNECTORS I AM FORCED TO WAIT UNTIL THE MACHINE SHOP GETS AROUND TO IT. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337231 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Message-ID: References: <44b26854$0$96208$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:56:43 GMT On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:49:19 GMT, k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) wrote: >>uh, John, do you still smoke? >> >>Mark Oppat > >Yup I know... its gonna kill me faster than the asbestos will.. Either that or it will help the asbestos kill you faster. They seem to pack a real one-two punch. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 337232 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <5466b2l6ajjoqkqfrl7q15jeh77go81asp@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:00:22 -0400 Message-ID: I have .15 mfd caps too, if you really want them but you dont need them. Mark Oppat "Solomon" wrote in message news:5466b2l6ajjoqkqfrl7q15jeh77go81asp@4ax.com... > On 10 Jul 2006 17:40:20 -0700, "RadioGary" wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a > >stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea > >.15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going > >down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant > >within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or > >EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > > > >Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > >This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > > You can get .15 mfd 630 volt caps here: > http://www.justradios.com/orderform.html > Article: 337233 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <26972-44B2E039-717@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:32:44 -0400 Message-ID: Uh, you forgot the MOLD industry! Its the new contractor cash cow. Mark Oppat "James Sweet" wrote in message news:MhEsg.14606$Wh7.9966@trnddc07... > Mark Oppat wrote: > > can I say you guys are nuts and we can still be pals? OK, YOU GUYS ARE > > NUTS! There, I said it...! > > > > NOBODY will ever sit there and abrade the pad in an AA5 radio and inhale it > > and get asbestosis and die and sue you. Wont happen. Now, removing it > > creates a heat/burn hazard you are creating. I dont like that. > > > > > > Friend of mine started collecting old streetlights when he was a kid > (yes, and some people say collecting old radios is weird too), his dad > was paranoid about PCB's and made him remove all the ballasts and throw > them in the trash, hence the PCB's contained in the capacitors ended up > in a landfill and likely are seeping into the ground somewhere. Had they > been left alone, they'd still be sealed safely inside capacitors in old > fixtures mounted on the wall in the garage harming no one. > > > PCB's are not good for you, neither are cheeseburgers or beer, but in > either case exposure to small amounts won't cause a person to drop dead. > Same goes for asbestos, don't grind it up and snort the dust or shred it > and stuff your pillow. Another friend of mine who's in real estate tells > me the asbestos removal guys are running out of asbestos to remove, now > they're busy villanizing formaldehyde-containing fiberglass insulation, > it's always something. Sorry but I don't buy the paranoia, it's all too > easy to focus on little specific things and ignore everything else. > Article: 337234 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <26972-44B2E039-717@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:51:27 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >Uh, you forgot the MOLD industry! Its the new contractor cash cow. > >Mark Oppat fast becoming the weapon of choice by the local gestapo "Neighborhood Code Enforcement Officers" One of my renters recently had the Code Guy stop to see her... her Lawn Service Guy had fired up his Lawn Mower at 7:55 AM ... at least according to the pain in the ass next door.... Now I can also get a ticket for running my lawn mower after 9 PM ... but its OK to blow up fireworks until 11 PM .. except July 4th when I can blow them up until midnite! John k9uwa Article: 337235 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Look What I Bought Today for $70- From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <12b0n0nt7r50od6@corp.supernews.com> <4%rsg.28810$FQ1.27608@attbi_s71> <_MCdnXlu1_ZWSC_ZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com> Message-ID: <_1Hsg.1073621$xm3.1023186@attbi_s21> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:54:02 GMT In article <_MCdnXlu1_ZWSC_ZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com>, newton5@remove.comcast.net says... > > > You, sir, are a scoundrel;) . Teasing me with consoles at a moment when I >and maybe relieve you of some of your burden. that would be good.. just make sure its before the middle of Oct ... at that point its time to get outta dodge... John k9uwa Article: 337236 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Attn West Coast Collectors From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:05:39 GMT OK West Coasters.. and points in between Indiana and there... here is your big chance... yes ... sometime in mid October we are planning on leaving Indiana ... proposed route at this point is across the middle... I-70 at least to Colorado at least I think we will go that way... not sure I want to get north too far .. I don't do SNOW very well... We will be on west coast from Seattle to Southern, CA over a couple of months span... then back across the southland to FL.. John & Jeans Console Hauling Service... 100 bucks a radio fee if your in the path of our travels.. I should have room in the Van for maybe three consoles.. any more and I will feel the wrath of Jean... John k9uwa Article: 337237 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Zenith 7S633R Transformer Replacement From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net> <1152586033.583386.258260@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <%mHsg.830879$084.94626@attbi_s22> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:16:27 GMT In article <1152586033.583386.258260@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, neil_sutcliffe@telus.net says... > > Never seemed to be a problem taking the transformer out and the other one in .. the insulation on the transformer wires isn't the same crap that is on the rest of the wiring in the radio... yes it mostly has to be replaced.... hate that nasty little corner with all the stuff up to tone controls ... I think I have put about a dozen transformers in the 41 and 42 chassis.. 6 tubers and 7 tubers.. the ones with one corner cut off.. I just looked at a 7s634R which is the same chassis as the 7s633R.. Wiring on transformer was sort of soft.. enough not to be a problem. Can't say that about the rest of the wires in that one... they are the usual mess.. John k9uwa >John, it seems to me that when I was working on my 'new to me' Zenith >7S657, that a lot of the wiring under the chassis was petrified, >especially the plain rubber insulated wire. >I, luckily, did not have to mess with the potted power transformer >wires, so I am not sure what their condition was, but I would be >concerned about the leads where they break out from the potting. >Perhaps you have a way of dealing with extracting a potted >transformer's leads through a small chassis hole, without ruining the >insulation, that you could share with the group. At least with a shell >transformer you can open the shell[s], chip off all the wire insulation >and put new sleeving on. My Zenith was the first set I had worked on >with a potted power transformer, although I scrapped a S-C about 50 >years ago that had one, so I have never had to deal much with trying to >extract petrified wiring through a chassis hole and then re-installing >in same. >Comments and suggestions from others welcome, too. I think this is a >useful topic for all of us! > >Neil S. > >John Goller, k9uwa wrote: >> In article <44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net>, >> nospam_deepsea_77@yahoo.com says... >> > >> > >> >Have a 7S633R with a fried power xformer...I was thinking of trying an >> >off-the-shelf Hammond from AES, their P/N P-T270CX. >> > >> >It's got two 6V secondaries, & each seems to be rated about right for >> >the 6X5 rectifer, as well as having enough current capacity for the >> >pilot lights/tube string: >> > >> >275-0-275 @ 65ma >> >Secondary #1: 6.3V@65ma >> >Secondary #2: 6.3V@2.5A >> > >> >Lin/KJ6EF >> >> >> Hi Lin ... looks like a 6X5 and the fact that Zenith transformers >> are just barely large enough .. back when line voltage was 115 >> but todays 125 and a bad 6x5 and another one bites the dust... >> >> do yourself a favor when you get the new transformer in there... >> bust the glass off that 6x5 ... stuff two diodes inside the old >> tube base 3 to 8 and 5 to 8 ... 1N4007 or 1N4004 which really is >> a 1N4007 with lower stamped number on it.. does two things.. >> gets rid of some serious filament draw and also no chance of >> another shorted out 6x5 killing the new transformer >> >> If you search the past of this newsgroup for 6x5 you will find >> lots of posts .. many of them like you looking for power transformer. >> >> >> the transformer that is on this chassis will work in your radio and >> is made to fit the hole in it... >> >> http://www.oldradioparts.com/pg20p103.jpg >> >> see this page for ordering information >> >> http://www.oldradioparts.com/pg17.htm >> >> betting that you can purchase this whole chassis from Gary for >> less than the price of the AES transformer... and I didn't look >> at it... >> >> >> John k9uwa > Article: 337238 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: Attn West Coast Collectors Date: 11 Jul 2006 00:31:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1152603067.643992.79010@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Hi John, Are you selling any radios or just offering a service? I wish more mid-west radios could make it here 80 miles south of Seattle. Regards, Steven W Reeves John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > OK West Coasters.. and points in between Indiana and there... > here is your big chance... yes ... sometime in mid October we > are planning on leaving Indiana ... proposed route at this point > is across the middle... I-70 at least to Colorado at least I think > we will go that way... not sure I want to get north too far .. > I don't do SNOW very well... > We will be on west coast from Seattle to Southern, CA over a couple > of months span... then back across the southland to FL.. > > John & Jeans Console Hauling Service... 100 bucks a radio fee if your in > the path of our travels.. I should have room in the Van for maybe > three consoles.. any more and I will feel the wrath of Jean... > > John k9uwa Article: 337239 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gkb" References: <44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: Zenith 7S633R Transformer Replacement Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 04:53:19 -0400 Message-ID: Have the tranny rewound for today's primary voltage. -- Regards, Gary... wrote in message news:44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net... > Have a 7S633R with a fried power xformer...I was thinking of trying an > off-the-shelf Hammond from AES, their P/N P-T270CX. > > It's got two 6V secondaries, & each seems to be rated about right for > the 6X5 rectifer, as well as having enough current capacity for the > pilot lights/tube string: > > 275-0-275 @ 65ma > Secondary #1: 6.3V@65ma > Secondary #2: 6.3V@2.5A > > ...but I'd like something just a bit beefier, if it exists. The cooler > it runs, the better. (But, maybe this will do.) > > Anyone have a better suggestion for a Hammond (or other) transformer > for the purpose? > > Thanks to the group in advance, > > Lin/KJ6EF > For email responses, remove "nospam_". Article: 337240 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Sherwin" Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:41:16 -0700, wagil wrote: > Can anyone suggest a website or a book that discusses the role of > Benchley Park in the wireless spying in WWII? http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/ HTH, Paul Article: 337241 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "CAINE" Subject: FA: lot of (77) old radio-audio-tv tubes-$25 Date: 11 Jul 2006 03:14:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1152612898.198336.205930@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&item=140006652837&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 LIST: 12SK7-12SJ7-12SF7-50L6GT-6A7-42-27-12SA7-35L6-12SQ7GT-50B519T8-12BE6-35C5-12BA6 (3 PC)-6BH6-12AU6-12FX5-4JD6-17BS3-22KM6-11LQ8-5KE8-3GK5-4JC6-6HZ6-15KY8-8FG7-6GH8A-NUVISTOR 5-48B 6DS4 40C-12BL6 (2 PC)- 12K5-12BR7-6BQ7A-12AD7-12BY7A-12F8-1S2A-12AV6-50C5-OD3 (2 PC)-6L6GC-3525G-6L6-12K7GT-7C5-6K7 (2 PC)-6J7 (7 PC)- 1620 (2 PC)- 6F5 (2 PC)-12SQ7- 12BA6 (3 PC)- 35L6GT- 50BM8 UCL82 (GREAT BRITAIN)- 1146J (ITALY)- ZENITH 13 (8 PRONG)-ALSO A FEW TUBES WITH NO VISIBLE ID NUMBERS Article: 337242 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "barryh" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 11 Jul 2006 04:10:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1152616233.822260.299940@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> I have a couple of wooden Emerson AA5's. One looks like the cheese grater style which was also common in bakelite or catalin. I didn't see any asbestos in that one. I have another, which has an all wood front, but the same round dial with the "pudgy" pointer. I haven't opened that one up yet. I posted a similar question -- what to do about the asbestos -- a couple of weeks ago in connection with two 7G Transoceanics (bombers) I have which need work. The asbestos laps over the edge of the chassis shelf on those and one, in particular, is flaking. On closer inspection, I saw quite a bit of loose fibers in the case. I immediately repacked the thing as I wasn't set up to deal with it. I don't know to what extent it's all hyped up, but, from the look of the stuff, it can really fly around, is light enough to be inhaled, and >from the way it clings to the inside of the cabinet, I can just picture the stuff digging into the inside of a lung and staying there permanently. Being a smoker still and paying for the priviledge of killing myself, I'm not a health nut, but this stuff is another matter. Yeah, there are those lawyers' commercials -- mass market ambulance chasing. Incidentally, I see a number of them with fine print whereby they can't practice in NY - -Mass or NJ based. Anyway, I'm inclined to go with Peter Wieck's procedure, but would like some step-by-step detail. I also need to clean up the loose fibers. One way might be to lift them with duct tape or something tacky. I happened upon a federal asbestos-handling site where the also recommended not to disturb the stuff if it's secure and to encapsulate or cover in place. One of their recommendations was to cover with plenty of duct tape. There probably should be a US Dept of Duct Tape, and maybe an independent "Commission of Duck Tape (quack quack)". Of course, now they say one whiff of secondhand smoke will be enough to do you in -- but what about that bus that you drove behind for a mile? Barbecue? Wildfires? I think the only solution is a full-time, full-body hazmat suit, complete with inlet and outlet fittings for pumping in filtered water -- for bathing. You wouldn't want to take it off in the bathroom -- there are a lot of hazardous chemicals in there. But, seriously, those loose asbestos fibers really look nasty. Barry Article: 337243 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <18314-44B289FC-319@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Message-ID: <_fMsg.3363$Th7.1769@trnddc05> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:50:18 GMT James, Allow me to give you my personal opinion: First off, on that "incorrect" or "frankenradio" console, although it is not a concours-correct unit, all things considered it's still a very nice looking radio. The wood finish is a long way from perfect, but with a little polish it's nice enough to put on display in your family room or den and make into a nice conversation piece. Since this is your first such project, it's a great unit to practice on. After you've rebuilt the chassis and have the radio singing nicely, you can then, at your own pace, take a swing at cabinet refinishing. The proper use of toner will help cover up that rectangle under the dial. Since there is no "correct" or "incorrect" grille cloth you're free to pick whatever style you think will look good. If the color ends up not looking right you can strip it down and try again -- or you can settle for what you have, or simply darken it -- again, it's not correct or incorrect. In the world of collector cars, there are restored classics and there are customs. On one hand, some people look at customs as being "butchered" and ask why someone would mess up such a classic, but then you must consider that most such cars were pretty much junkers to begin with, and these people have used their own imagination to create a new exciting concept. As a couple of examples, the cover of Cruise News (a Florida-based car magazine I write for) has a customized Lincoln Zephyr on it. If you visit http://www.cruisenewsonline.com/ immediately you can see it on the cover. The July issue (which will be posted on the website any time now) has an interesting gold 52 Chevy -- the sides look like a Corvette and the back looks like a Cadillac; it's weird but nicely done, and it certainly grabs your attention. I saw this car at Cocoa Beach, and the photos don't do it justice! Such customs at an auction actually bring in more money than a restored version of the same car. As for me personally, I prefer originality, but I indeed appreciate customs when they're done right. It's not quite that way with radios, but I have indeed seen some nice mods -- A Crosley console comes to mind where the fellow removed the record player and replaced it with some nice woodwork over the enlarged speaker opening. I thought it was the nicest looking radio in the room -- and then he told me he modified it! In any case, I think you can make a really nice radio out of this -- and then, with some real experience under your belt, your next one (believe me, there WILL be a next one!) will be that much better. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 337244 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: Radio ID needed Date: 11 Jul 2006 05:12:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1152619959.661752.174800@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > I posted a photo on the binaries group of a radio dial. > Can anyone tell me for sure what kind of radio it is? > This photo is from an ebay auction I saw today for a > really rough chassis. > I would like to find a nice example of this set for my collection. > We had one when I was a kid that had belonged to my Dad's > mother. He remembered it from the mid 30s or so. > Unfortunately it got dropped and the cabinet fell apart. > I have no idea what happened to the rest of it. > > I was thinking it might be a Truetone, but I checked the > Turetone web page and didn't see anything like it. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > -- do you have a picture on your website? > > Radio Collection Web Page, > http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com > WANTED! > http://radioheaven.homestead.com/grknob.html > Hard to find 2 pin mic connectors for BA rigs. > http://radioheaven.homestead.com/2pinmicplug.html Article: 337245 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "wagil" Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless Date: 11 Jul 2006 06:34:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1152624855.734664.326670@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152560476.566714.303120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wagil wrote: > Can anyone suggest a website or a book that discusses the role of > Benchley Park in the wireless spying in WWII? > > Wayne G Thanks for all the good info. It gets easier to find info when I spell it correctly. (:-) I appreciate the correction and the info. Wayne g Article: 337246 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Dial Covers Date: 11 Jul 2006 06:42:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1152625365.830791.173900@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Who out there is making dial covers? I always used to send my requests to Bill Turner who did a fine job. I guess he's out of it now. Who's left? Dan Article: 337247 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: Dial Covers Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:38:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1152625365.830791.173900@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> On 11 Jul 2006 06:42:45 -0700, "Dan Olson" wrote: >Who out there is making dial covers? I always used to send my requests >to Bill Turner who did a fine job. I guess he's out of it now. Who's >left? Dan Me. See www.anatekcorp.com/dialcovers/dialcovers.htm for details. Do not be dismayed if you do not see your model listed. I am building up a supply of molds. In the meantime I will work from a sketch although an original is best. Whatcha need? John Bachman Article: 337248 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil" Subject: iPod valve amp.... Date: 11 Jul 2006 08:33:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1152631982.683737.71420@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> enjoy! http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/07/11/review_isteroid2_amp/ Article: 337249 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1152631982.683737.71420@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: iPod valve amp.... Message-ID: <%lQsg.51648$We.991378@wagner.videotron.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:29:49 -0400 "Phil" wrote in message news:1152631982.683737.71420@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > enjoy! > > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/07/11/review_isteroid2_amp/ Wow ! You can remove the tube and the amp still works and they have the balls to say it's not for show it really does something.... To your brains that is... Read this: "The downside of valve amplification, of course, is that you need to allow 10-20 minutes for the valve to warm up to hear it" ? Come again ? 20 minutes for tube warm-up ? "But since the i-Steroid works as soon as you turn it on - or if you take the valve out before turning on the power - " "I suspect there's a twin amplification system in there. " No shit Sherlock ! Talk about Bovine By-Product... Syl Article: 337250 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <5350-44B3D8AA-764@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152624855.734664.326670@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> You might ask those good folks at, soc.history.war.world-war-ii news group.No doubt someone there can give you a lot of information too regarding Bletchley Park and Enigma.Japan also had a version of the Enigma code machines.I think it was called Purple Code.Germany and Japan never did figure out we was decoding and reading their codes. cuhulin Article: 337251 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <18314-44B289FC-319@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:51:49 -0400 Message-ID: James, its smart to stay all "G" (aka "ST") types on this set as they are original. I even have most of them in the original Zenith etched base types but for this you dont want to spend that kind of money. I have many Zenith printed types too, they are more reasonably priced. These are not on my website, just for us restorers. email me at moppat at comcast dot net. Mark Oppat "James Sweet" wrote in message news:UADsg.14601$Wh7.1584@trnddc07... > Bill Sheppard wrote: > > James: > > Welcome! It's always refreshing when younger folks take an > > interest in vintage tube radios. Warning however: it's very addictive > > and you will soon be assimilated. > Here's a couple of neat sites that might help narrow > > down what the original cabinet and grille cloth may have looked like: > > www.radioblvd.com/ZenithPhoto.htm www.radiophile.com/12s267.htm > > > > What is the tube count (incl. tuning eye), > > 7 or 9? > > > > Bill(oc) > > > > > It's a 7 tube. A number of them are *very* weak though so I need to pick > up some replacements. Anyone on here got a stock of old tubes? I'd > rather purchase from other collectors than ebay or online dealers, > especially if I could get most or all the tubes I need from one place. > > Am I correct in thinking this chassis would have originally had all ST > envelope tubes? At the very least I'd like to avoid the metal ones, > there's some of those in there and they just don't have the charm of > sparkling glass tubes. I'm not one of those audiophools who thinks tubes > have magical accoustical properties but they sure are neat to look at. > Article: 337252 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: iPod valve amp.... Date: 11 Jul 2006 10:54:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1152640477.356648.173080@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152631982.683737.71420@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Syl wrote: > "Phil" wrote in message > news:1152631982.683737.71420@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > enjoy! > > > > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/07/11/review_isteroid2_amp/ > > > Wow ! You can remove the tube and the amp still works and they have > the balls to say it's not for show it really does something.... > > To your brains that is... > > Read this: > > "The downside of valve amplification, of course, is that you need to allow > 10-20 minutes for the valve to warm up to hear it" > > ? Come again ? 20 minutes for tube warm-up ? > > "But since the i-Steroid works as soon as you turn it on - or if you take > the valve out before turning on the power - " > > "I suspect there's a twin amplification system in there. " > > No shit Sherlock ! > > Talk about Bovine By-Product... > > Syl Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. H.L. Menken To which we need to add the British, and any other "public" that would even give that thing a second look. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337253 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: FA: lot of (77) old radio-audio-tv tubes-$25 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:09:33 -0700 Message-ID: <03q7b2d6aj9mutfkj9pjojr5pflh2b7l7e@4ax.com> References: <1152612898.198336.205930@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 11 Jul 2006 03:14:58 -0700, "CAINE" aka "StreamBredBrownEye" aka Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA from his reactivated spam address spammed: >http://cgi.ebay ...brought to you by your favorite tax cheat, fraudster and spammer, Charlie Nudo and his world famous NudoFraud® Industries eBay account, 66fourdoor. Another round of "no bid" auctions, eh, Noodles? Looks like when I crush somebody, I crush 'em hard! Too bad...I'm sure you could use the money to pay off those taxes and penalties you're going to be saddled with after they get done with your tax audits! Article: 337254 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jim Strickland" Subject: Re: NEC NT-625 Date: 11 Jul 2006 11:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1152642834.847557.160520@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1152580766.354657.198940@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Thanks all. :) -Jim Article: 337255 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: iPod valve amp.... References: <1152631982.683737.71420@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:51:26 -0400 What a bucket of crap. So that's what tubes are good for these days, selling solid state . They should have put a spot light on the tube, with dancing girls all around it. They say two valves, but only mention one. The other must be an 80 in the power supply. Ken Phil wrote: > enjoy! > > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/07/11/review_isteroid2_amp/ > Article: 337256 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: FS: RCA 812K cabinet Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:56:46 -0400 Message-ID: restorable empty cabinet, needs top veneer (its been removed). needs refinish. anyone want this for $20? I am in Detroit area, could bring possibly to Kutztown for $20 transport fee. This set can take the 811K chassis as well. 1938. email me at moppat at comcast dot net Mark Oppat Article: 337257 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:58:50 -0700 Message-ID: <18314-44B3F4EA-407@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: James: There's one point i was hoping someone would make, but so far no one has: if you elect to power up the radio before a full recap, there is one cap (other than the electrolytics) that is super critical and _must_ be replaced before powerup. That is the coupling cap going to the grid of the AF output tube. If it's leaky (and it's 99.9% guaranteed to be), it will drive the grid positive and make the tube overconduct. If the tube is of the 6F6, 6K6, 6L6, 6V6 family, the control grid is pin# 5. Bill(oc) Article: 337258 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: iPod valve amp.... Date: 11 Jul 2006 12:14:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1152645244.453637.58690@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152631982.683737.71420@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Ken wrote: They say two valves, but only mention > one. I think they mean a dual-triode "valve", something like a 12AU/X7 or some such. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337259 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Attn West Coast Collectors From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1152603067.643992.79010@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:48:57 GMT In article <1152603067.643992.79010@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, stevereeves@gmail.com says... > > >Hi John, > Are you selling any radios or just offering a service? I wish more >mid-west radios could make it here 80 miles south of Seattle. >Regards, >Steven W Reeves > Hi Steven ... I have a serious excess of consoles myself ... so yes I have some that we will sell.. I have an inventory list I made before Lansing.. so its a matter of scratching off the ones that went to Lansing one way and then its a matter of me typing up the list into my website on a page so all the guys can read it.. list had 92 consoles on it prior to Lansing.. some of course are our collection and not for sale.. but most are for sale.. John k9uwa Article: 337260 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Dial Covers From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1152625365.830791.173900@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:51:30 GMT In article , johnREMOVE@anatek.REMOVEmv.com says... > > >Me. See www.anatekcorp.com/dialcovers/dialcovers.htm for details. > > >John Bachman John does an excellent job ... John should you tell them that your making a nice thick plastic correctly curved one for the 5s319 327,320, 338, 339 and whatever the console is Zenith radios?.. John k9uwa Article: 337261 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: 11 Jul 2006 15:48:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1152658117.168616.220250@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Mark and all, Thanks for the advice. There's been no definitive answer on why I should have the exact value and based on where they're located and what purpose they serve, it looks like I'd be able to do this with .1's or .22's. I just thought there may be some sort of adverse effect to the installation. Getting them inside the block may not be a problem. I guess as a last resource they'd have to be externally mounted, but that would kill the original look. Thank you all for your help and advice, GB Mark Oppat wrote: > I have .15 mfd caps too, if you really want them but you dont need them. > Mark Oppat > > > "Solomon" wrote in message > news:5466b2l6ajjoqkqfrl7q15jeh77go81asp@4ax.com... > > On 10 Jul 2006 17:40:20 -0700, "RadioGary" wrote: > > > > >Hello, > > > > > >OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a > > >stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea > > >.15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going > > >down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant > > >within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or > > >EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > > > > > >Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > > >This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > > > > You can get .15 mfd 630 volt caps here: > > http://www.justradios.com/orderform.html > > Article: 337262 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: isotope115@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Need 120 transmitter Date: 11 Jul 2006 16:14:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1152659680.541124.82310@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <12807-44AEFA81-141@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> toxcrusadr wrote: > > > Currently, there is a product that will beam power through a fiber > > > optic cable. A laser is used at the transmitting end, and a photodiode > > > provides voltage at the receiving end. It might power a small > > > transistor radio, but not much more. > > > Now that's an idea! You could cover the fiber optic cable with cloth > covering so it would look like an antique power cord. Voila! :-] > > > Tox Great idea! I should correct my description of the fiber optic "power cord". setup. The receiver is a "photovoltaic power conterter". It can provide 12 volts at 6 mA. I don't see why you couldn't stack these in an array to get more power (except the cost and space required). Ken M. Article: 337263 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:04:59 -0700 Message-ID: <3000-44B43CAB-373@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152658117.168616.220250@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> >From RadioGary: >There's been no definitive answer on >why I should have the exact value and >based on where they're located and what >purpose they serve, it looks like I'd be >able to do this with .1's or .22's. Assuming those are line bypass caps (connected to both sides of the AC line, center to chassis), their value can actually be considerably lower, given that their specific function is at RF. I would be content going with .015 for both of 'em, though others' opinions may vary. Point is, the value is very non-critical in this particular application. And in the event you should ever grab the chassis and a cold water pipe at the same time, you'll get less of a 'tingle' with lower value caps there. Subject: Re: Dial Covers Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:32:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1152625365.830791.173900@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:51:30 GMT, k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) wrote: >In article , >johnREMOVE@anatek.REMOVEmv.com says... >> >> >>Me. See www.anatekcorp.com/dialcovers/dialcovers.htm for details. >> >> >>John Bachman > >John does an excellent job ... John should you tell them that your >making a nice thick plastic correctly curved one for the 5s319 327,320, >338, 339 and whatever the console is Zenith radios?.. > >John k9uwa Gosh, blushing. Guess I do not have to mention it now that you did. Thanks. John Article: 337265 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1152658117.168616.220250@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <3000-44B43CAB-373@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:36:18 -0400 Message-ID: <7t6dnWAe_8v13inZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com> Bill, he didnt say these were line bypass, which they are not. Philco used values under .05 for line bypass, as did everyone. Mark Oppat "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message news:3000-44B43CAB-373@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net... > From RadioGary: > >There's been no definitive answer on > >why I should have the exact value and > >based on where they're located and what >purpose they serve, it looks > like I'd be > >able to do this with .1's or .22's. > > Assuming those are line bypass caps (connected to both sides of the AC > line, center to chassis), their value can actually be considerably > lower, given that their specific function is at RF. > I would be content going with .015 for both of 'em, > though others' opinions may vary. Point is, the value is very > non-critical in this particular application. > And in the event you should ever grab the chassis and a > cold water pipe at the same time, you'll get less of a 'tingle' with > lower value caps there. oc > > Article: 337266 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <6AXsg.20041$O35.1364@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:42:42 GMT On my schematic that cap is a .3uf. If you look at it you see 2 terminals tied together so they used 2 .15 in parallel. RadioGary wrote: > Hello, > > OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a > stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea > .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going > down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant > within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or > EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > > Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > Article: 337267 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:12:54 -0500 Subject: Hill Plasmatronics From: John Stone Message-ID: A couple weeks back, William Sommerwerck and I were debating the relative merits of the Hill Plasmatronics speaker system. In case anyone is curious about what these are and has never seen them, there is a pair up for auction on ebay. Sound quality discussions aside, it has to take the prize for being one of the most interesting and complicated transducers ever made. http://cgi.ebay.com/HILL-PLASMATRONICS-RARE-FULL-RANGE-PLASMA-SYSTEM_W0QQite mZ150007040363QQihZ005QQcategoryZ50597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Article: 337268 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: 11 Jul 2006 18:14:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1152666874.118628.143810@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> These are NOT two in parallel. This is a model 16 chassis from a console set. Sorry if there was any confusion, but went through this with another person on a Philco site until he found the right schematic. They are not on the AC line either. I'm still wondering if they are critical. So far no one says they are. Lou deGonzague wrote: > On my schematic that cap is a .3uf. If you look at it you see 2 > terminals tied together so they used 2 .15 in parallel. > > RadioGary wrote: > > Hello, > > > > OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a > > stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea > > .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going > > down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant > > within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or > > EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > > > > Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > > This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > > Article: 337269 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: Subject: Re: Hill Plasmatronics Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:18:37 -0700 Message-ID: > A couple weeks back, William Sommerwerck and I were debating the relative > merits of the Hill Plasmatronics speaker system. In case anyone is curious > about what these are and has never seen them, there is a pair up for auction > on eBay. Sound quality discussions aside, it has to take the prize for being > one of the most interesting and complicated transducers ever made. Thjanks for posting this. Wonderful. Brings back memories. Dr. Hill is one of the few true geniuses I've ever met. He seems to actually know what he's talking about. Article: 337270 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: <12b8kth2ao8uoda@corp.supernews.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <6AXsg.20041$O35.1364@twister.nyroc.rr.com> "Lou deGonzague" wrote in message news:6AXsg.20041$O35.1364@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > On my schematic that cap is a .3uf. This can *only* be the "balancing" cap used to resonate the field coil; in this case the value is fairly critical and I'd use a pair of .15 or a .33 cap at 200 volts or more (this cap has very little voltage across it unless the field coil opens or is disconnected). John H. Article: 337271 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" Subject: Radiola RS binding post terminal cap, I HAVE THEM!! Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:53:39 GMT To the guy that was looking for the Radiola RS binding post cap. I HAVE THEM... I replied to your original message and the one on the Antique Radio Forum. I HAVE THEM. $5 includes postage. You can pay via PayPal to my email address. Ron kc4yoy(AT)carolina.rr.com -- Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com WANTED! http://radioheaven.homestead.com/grknob.html Hard to find 2 pin mic connectors for BA rigs. http://radioheaven.homestead.com/2pinmicplug.html From suptjudatcomcastdotnet Thu Jul 13 01:40:09 EDT 2006 Article: 337272 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:01:03 -0500 From: "TerryJ" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <6AXsg.20041$O35.1364@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1152666874.118628.143810@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:00:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.56.6.144 X-Trace: sv3-whjFSKsgKJaCmguCWhVHWLPruDw4j3s8IpjFJ72DKIC9xR8j5XLN8cCfVtvOuzW02mqPOfAnOMhKq73!UEIx7Y8dDpQ/l9JnZ9+ikhjj6t6LdWqpjWQgjqZU9Jv9pi0dy5XdHcqawZJ+trcjFChChyAlI0Qd!wJVu0QydTg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.196.98.141!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337272 If this is the block connected in parallel with the filter choke a single .33 at 200 V will work. The two .15 caps inside the block are connected in parallel by external wiring. The value of .3 was selected to resonate with the choke inductance at 120 cycles so the value, though not critical, should be close to the .3 shown. I can find no Model 16 schematic that uses the 6287F any other place in the circuit. "RadioGary" wrote in message news:1152666874.118628.143810@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > These are NOT two in parallel. This is a model 16 chassis from a > console set. Sorry if there was any confusion, but went through this > with another person on a Philco site until he found the right > schematic. > > They are not on the AC line either. I'm still wondering if they are > critical. So far no one says they are. > > > Lou deGonzague wrote: >> On my schematic that cap is a .3uf. If you look at it you see 2 >> terminals tied together so they used 2 .15 in parallel. >> >> RadioGary wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a >> > stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea >> > .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going >> > down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant >> > within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or >> > EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. >> > >> > Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. >> > This is a model 16 chassis BTW. >> > > Article: 337273 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: 11 Jul 2006 19:39:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1152671957.885030.293390@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> 6287F, according to the books was substituted and/or replaced by a 6287ODU if that's any help. TerryJ wrote: > If this is the block connected in parallel with the filter choke a single > .33 at 200 V will work. The two .15 caps inside the block are connected in > parallel by external wiring. The value of .3 was selected to resonate with > the choke inductance at 120 cycles so the value, though not critical, > should be close to the .3 shown. I can find no Model 16 schematic that uses > the 6287F any other place in the circuit. > "RadioGary" wrote in message > news:1152666874.118628.143810@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > These are NOT two in parallel. This is a model 16 chassis from a > > console set. Sorry if there was any confusion, but went through this > > with another person on a Philco site until he found the right > > schematic. > > > > They are not on the AC line either. I'm still wondering if they are > > critical. So far no one says they are. > > > > > > Lou deGonzague wrote: > >> On my schematic that cap is a .3uf. If you look at it you see 2 > >> terminals tied together so they used 2 .15 in parallel. > >> > >> RadioGary wrote: > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a > >> > stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea > >> > .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going > >> > down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant > >> > within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or > >> > EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > >> > > >> > Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > >> > This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > >> > > > Article: 337274 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: <12b8p56akdka6f0@corp.supernews.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <6AXsg.20041$O35.1364@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1152666874.118628.143810@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "TerryJ" wrote in message news:vr-dnelaPK9CyinZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com... I can find no Model 16 schematic that uses > the 6287F any other place in the circuit. I've done literally a dozen of these and I said the same thing, also that in this case value mattters. John H. Article: 337275 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: 11 Jul 2006 19:56:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1152672972.152059.116920@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> BTW, I should have mentioned the chassis number. Labeled Philco model 16, code 122. When I looked up this chassis though, the placement of the bakelite block was not the same. The bakelite block is located in the right rear of the chassis facing front. RadioGary wrote: > 6287F, according to the books was substituted and/or replaced by a > 6287ODU if that's any help. > > TerryJ wrote: > > If this is the block connected in parallel with the filter choke a single > > .33 at 200 V will work. The two .15 caps inside the block are connected in > > parallel by external wiring. The value of .3 was selected to resonate with > > the choke inductance at 120 cycles so the value, though not critical, > > should be close to the .3 shown. I can find no Model 16 schematic that uses > > the 6287F any other place in the circuit. > > "RadioGary" wrote in message > > news:1152666874.118628.143810@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > These are NOT two in parallel. This is a model 16 chassis from a > > > console set. Sorry if there was any confusion, but went through this > > > with another person on a Philco site until he found the right > > > schematic. > > > > > > They are not on the AC line either. I'm still wondering if they are > > > critical. So far no one says they are. > > > > > > > > > Lou deGonzague wrote: > > >> On my schematic that cap is a .3uf. If you look at it you see 2 > > >> terminals tied together so they used 2 .15 in parallel. > > >> > > >> RadioGary wrote: > > >> > Hello, > > >> > > > >> > OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a > > >> > stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea > > >> > .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going > > >> > down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant > > >> > within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or > > >> > EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > > >> > > > >> > Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > > >> > This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > > >> > > > > Article: 337276 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: 11 Jul 2006 19:59:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1152673157.502952.95670@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> This should be C86 from the Nostalgiaair schematic: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/139/M0013139.htm Article: 337277 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: iPod valve amp.... References: <1152631982.683737.71420@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:04:02 GMT Phil wrote: > enjoy! > > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/07/11/review_isteroid2_amp/ > Gak, that thing is hideous! The tube can't possibly be anything more than a preamp, and a single tube for stereo? I'd bet it's a Russian 12AX7. From suptjudatcomcastdotnet Thu Jul 13 01:40:10 EDT 2006 Article: 337278 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:18:16 -0500 From: "TerryJ" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <6AXsg.20041$O35.1364@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1152666874.118628.143810@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1152671957.885030.293390@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1152672972.152059.116920@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152673157.502952.95670@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:18:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-ID: Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.56.6.144 X-Trace: sv3-JMm1U2pHF4kgRGguceqLbDkfrqMsrfV733Wresj4ODdOQTrH1GnJAFq5/0+/t1fTsYMOJ4kj2olgYsG!rzzb+8eqsTfXjcXj0rqB3C/2DdDugd3wfbRwcablYGgGidfUmyPJmJBTjcfShby3tW2ICd027ju0!YmQirpStBA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337278 That is in parallel with the filter choke and as Hagster said is fairly critical. It is labeled as a .3 uf cap on the schematic but in fact there are two .15 uf caps in the block which are wired via external wiring in parallel. I use a .33 at 200 volt Orange drop. The voltage across the choke is well under this value. Higher voltage caps may not fit in the block. "RadioGary" wrote in message news:1152673157.502952.95670@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > This should be C86 from the Nostalgiaair schematic: > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/139/M0013139.htm > Article: 337279 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Hill Plasmatronics Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:19:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: John Stone wrote: > A couple weeks back, William Sommerwerck and I were debating the relative > merits of the Hill Plasmatronics speaker system. In case anyone is curious > about what these are and has never seen them, there is a pair up for auction > on ebay. Sound quality discussions aside, it has to take the prize for being > one of the most interesting and complicated transducers ever made. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/HILL-PLASMATRONICS-RARE-FULL-RANGE-PLASMA-SYSTEM_W0QQite > mZ150007040363QQihZ005QQcategoryZ50597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > Not only have I seen them, I had a chance to purchase a pair of them for $200.00 at a garage sale in Sunnyvale, California back in the mid-90s. Alas, with a wife and Baby and another one on the way, and a crummy 2-bedroom apartment to stick them all in, a pair of large speakers just didn't rank high on the priority meter. Did I say large? It is hard to visualize just how huge these things are unless you've seen them in the flesh. I'm 5'9" and I could barely see over the top of them. I went back to the sale the next day and they were gone. Someone passing through Sunnyvale got very lucky. They are probably enhancing the home theatre experience of someone in Silicon Valley as I am typing this. -Scott Article: 337280 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <9qhsg.5609$ye3.3887@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <2lj5b2l527fvdshf0dcrf522fgc04mh812@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:23:27 GMT I disagree with this assessment of L.A. radio! The classical music audience here is pretty dumbed down and can't tolerate sophistication. They usually freak out when you play a little, Alan Hovhaness! If you like a little eclectic classical, and want to listen to all the classical music announcer rejects, like Bernie Allen (who were kicked off of the more popular classical stations here), tune into KCSN. As for KUSC, I will never forgive the bastards for what they did to the record library of KFAC. That was one coup d'etat, with ARCO investment group and the late Yascha Heifetz's daughter in law! KFAC had the largest classical music library, west of the Mississippi. KMZT is commercial, and plays great classical music. You actually can enjoy listening to Rich Caparella and absorb the tidbit information he gives on the music and the performers. But, KUSC still rules when it comes to opera, Jim Shweida is irreplaceable! All in all, L.A. has three classical music stations, KCSN, KMZT, and KUSC. If you can get the San Bernardino station too, you are fortunate. That is more stations than any other kind of format in town! All other music formats and DJ's on other stations keep coming and going just like L.A. architecture. I'm not a great fan of what is going on in this country, but it has a lot more to do with the "doofus" factor than any orchestrated incursion by any group, etc. Until the Dems figure out what their message is and what they stand for, the Republicans and neo nuts will be impressing their agenda on the masses. Whether that is good or bad, I'll let others judge. Just remember though, it was Nixon that brought us the EPA and many other agencies that many Americans , to this day greatly appreciate. It's good when you have two parties counter weighing the other in Congress and the executive branches! Omer "DeserTBoB" wrote in message news:2lj5b2l527fvdshf0dcrf522fgc04mh812@4ax.com... > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:25:05 GMT, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote: > > >>In early April, management announced that Chicago Public Radio -- which >>includes WBEZ and its suburban satellites WBEW-FM (89.5) in Chesterton and >>WBEQ-FM (90.7) in Morris -- would drop music programming altogether, >>instead >>of making the satellites music-only spin-offs as originally planned. As a >>result, Buckley's three-hour, casually paced staple will cease to exist >>when >>the stations switch to all-news-and-talk formats. Every other music >>program, >>including "Encanto Latino" with Catalina Maria Johnson and "Comin' Home" >>with Niles Frantz, will suffer the same fate. > > This is only a fractionally small part of the story...it's part of the > "republicanization" of NPR across the country, also seen with Pacifica > Broadcasting in California a couple of years ago, and with NPR > affiliate KUSC, from the "University of Spoiled Children," just to > name two. The Republicans, prodded by their corporate money machine > handlers, have been pushing for "mainstreaming" of NPR-affiliated > outlets in order to "prep" them for commercial takeover by such goon > squad corporate braodcasting juggernauts as Clear Channel and...well, > there's hardly anyone else left, now, is there? > > In California, Pacifica, founded in the late '40s by pacifist Quakers > and a longtime countercultural beacon on the FM dials of both the San > Francisco and Los Angeles markets, has long been a thorn in the side > of Korporate Amerika and their political lackeys. Not long ago, a > major scrambling of management occured with a "corporate friendly" > director installed almost immediately. Gone were the pro-labor > programs, the ecclectic music programs, the wide-ranging political > programs...all replaced with what could best be called "talk radio > with a leftward spin....sometimes"...innocuous, non-thought provoking, > generally flaccid in content and appeal. However, the shift, while > pissing off many splinters of the stations' respective communities, > increased market share, as the latter paragraphs of the Sun-Times > article said it did in other places. The demographics of the market > share they gained what exactly the target that commercial interests > are most coveting...better-heeled, politically inert, luxury loving > boomers with disposable income galore. Before the usual suspects say > that this is just another smear of the Republicans, one should > consider that the station manager involved in all the "format change" > tulmult in Berkeley was none other than a minion of that "centrist" > Democrat, William J. Clinton. No other Democrat in history soaked up > as much corporate money as Clinton has, and of course, there must be a > reason. > > A similar shift happened at LA's only classical station (aside form > LPs and college trust owned stations) at the time, KUSC. The > "University of Spoiled Children," flush with cash from corporate > alumni, had a dynamite signal with a new Harris tranmitter and a great > site...which money always provides. However, their fare was purely > the stuff of classical public radio...ecclectic, educational, > off-the-beaten-path...in short, a marvelous stew that entertained and > enlightened hard core music lovers. That all changed not long before > the brouhaha at Pacifica happened. Out with the old...out with all > the thoughtful, student- and community-produced programming, in with > the "broadcast professionals," who switched the station from a beacon > for many divergent tastes into "Top 40 classical"...."All Beethoven's > hits, all the time." Android-like studio announcers replaced show > hosts with their banter of facts and interviews with musicians....no > time for THAT! We have rich ladies in Beverly Hills to attract...and > they did. True to form, KUSC's market share increased > prodigeously...although the "old" listeners were kicked to the curb in > favor of the well-heeled, monied elite who use "top 40 classical" as > an ornament in their mansions and offices. > > Again, not long after all this happened, in comes the new Bush Bird > Administration appointee to be president of NPR, and not long after > that, came the "real commercials." The plan is abundently clear to > anyone with half a brain still funcitonal...they're "grooming" NPR for > a commercial spinoff...just like the House Repukes have tried recently > to "spin off" the National Weather Service and many other assets of > the taxpayers held to public service and devoid of corporate greed > interests. > > Americans had better wake up, and soon...the Bushies and the Repukes > in Congress are selling off your country, bit by bit, to their > handlers. Once that happens, the much-talked about "Bush shadow > government" of corporate interests will move out of the "shadow" and > be in total control. You want that? If you do, you're most likely an > idiot and probably flunked history in school...if you ever even > graduated with a valid degree. Article: 337281 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: 12 Jul 2006 02:33:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1152696812.593311.189960@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Hey Terry, Thanks to you and all for the information. I think I'll go with two .15's from this point and find them from the above mentioned sources. Just a matter of putting this on hold until I get them which is no big thing. Again, thanks all for your help. GB TerryJ wrote: > That is in parallel with the filter choke and as Hagster said is fairly > critical. It is labeled as a .3 uf cap on the schematic but in fact there > are two .15 uf caps in the block which are wired via external wiring in > parallel. I use a .33 at 200 volt Orange drop. The voltage across the choke > is well under this value. Higher voltage caps may not fit in the block. > "RadioGary" wrote in message > news:1152673157.502952.95670@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > This should be C86 from the Nostalgiaair schematic: > > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/139/M0013139.htm > > Article: 337282 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "erica" Subject: Low cost SMD Oven for making SMD samples and Prototypes Date: 12 Jul 2006 03:58:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1152701893.605620.41090@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> This SMD Oven Controller (SMDOC-01) is designed to use with a toaster oven. It provide a low cost solution for making SMD prototypes and samples. The temperature profile is similar to the expensive industrial SMD oven provided. So, the sample quality is as good as the industrial oven can do. It is capable for packages including 0402, BGA, QFP, SOP, SSOP, TSSOP, SOT, etc. It is an indispensable tool for R&D and making samples. It is very suitable for electronic companies, laboratories, universities and hobbyists. SMD Oven Controller (SMDOC-01) is only US$206, including oven (PCB size is large up to 19 x 17cm) is US$283. Voltage 220V, 8A fused. Features: 1.Small, low price, performance comparable to expensive industrial SMD oven. 2.Capable for any SMD packages. An indispensable tool for R&D, sample making and small batch production. 3.No hand soldering. No painful. No difficult. Save time. 4.Connectable to PC via RS232 for profile setup and temperature monitor. It can also operate independently without PC. 5.Simple to use. LEDs indication for each stage of pre-heat, soak, reflow and cooling. Alarm and power cut off after finished. Product information : http://www.auto-system.com Please send me email : erica@auto-system.com for any inquiry or order. Article: 337283 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: Subject: Re: Hill Plasmatronics Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:04:17 -0700 Message-ID: The reason people sell their Plasmatronics (other than financial stress) is that they eventually get fed up with the sonic disparity between the "tweeter" (which can actually work as low as 700 Hz, at the expense of peak SPL) and the other drivers. Dr. Hill invented these speakers about a decade too soon to take advantage of improvements in conventional drivers. Dr. Hill told us that you can go as low as you want in frequency range, but each halving of the lowest frequency requires a doubling of drive power. You do the math. Article: 337284 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152631982.683737.71420@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: iPod valve amp.... Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:10:44 -0700 Message-ID: > Gak, that thing is hideous! The tube can't possibly be anything > more than a preamp, and a single tube for stereo? One tube can have two or more sections. The tube appears to be used to euphonically color the sound. Article: 337285 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: Subject: Diy?? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:24:01 GMT John Stone wrote: > A couple weeks back, William Sommerwerck and I were debating the > relative merits of the Hill Plasmatronics speaker system. In case > anyone is curious about what these are and has never seen them, there > is a pair up for auction on ebay. Sound quality discussions aside, it > has to take the prize for being one of the most interesting and > complicated transducers ever made. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/HILL-PLASMATRONICS-RARE-FULL-RANGE-PLASMA-SYSTEM_W0QQite > mZ150007040363QQihZ005QQcategoryZ50597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem An italian guy is working around an homemade project ..from scrap! Sorry, page in italian, altavista should translate it. http://www.studioerosbarone.it/diego/Plasma.htm -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 337286 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: Dial Covers Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:10:52 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44B4F4DC-789@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152625365.830791.173900@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> I NO LONGER MAKE DIAL COVERS DUE TO MY STROKE BUT I DO SELL A KIT FOR MAKING YOUR OWN. THE KIT CONSISTS OF 6 PCS 6 1/2 X 6 1/2 5 PLY 1/4" PLYWOOD FOR THE MOLDS, 6 PCS DOUBLE PROTECTED PLASTIC (NOT THE CHEAP TYPE SOLD IN HOBBY STORES) AND A PAGE OF INSTRUCTIONS USED IN MAKING OVER 5000 DIALCOVERS. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU SAVE THE EMAIL ADDRESS BELOW. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337287 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Low cost SMD Oven for making SMD samples and Prototypes References: <1152701893.605620.41090@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:48:00 GMT erica wrote: > This SMD Oven Controller (SMDOC-01) is designed to use with a toaster > oven. Ok, it probably doesn't belong here, BUT... it really is a way cool inovative solution to surface mount breadboarding. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337288 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Diy?? References: Message-ID: <5J7tg.14192$MF6.2880@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:31:29 GMT Daniele wrote: > Daniele ^___^ > http://www.tuberadio.it Send me email buddy, both addreses I tried bounced, time to update my address book. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337289 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Chicago's jazz radio gets the blues, bows to iPod Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:37:41 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1152310273.051685.279300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <9qhsg.5609$ye3.3887@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> <2lj5b2l527fvdshf0dcrf522fgc04mh812@4ax.com> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:23:27 GMT, "Omer Suleimanagich" wrote: >I disagree with this assessment of L.A. radio! > >The classical music audience here is pretty dumbed down and can't tolerate >sophistication. True...those Beverly Hills ladies in their hair salons can't take much that's mentally challenging. > >They usually freak out when you play a little, Alan Hovhaness! Heaven forbid. >If you like a little eclectic classical, and want to listen to all the >classical music announcer rejects, like Bernie Allen (who were kicked off of >the more popular classical stations here), tune into KCSN. GOOD choice...and not "republicanized" yet. Also KPCC (if you could pick it out of the noise) used to have quite a bit to choose from. However, lately it's become a yakkityak outlet along with everyone else and is now home to the LA Times' Patt Morrison...as if her column isn't enough for everyone! >As for KUSC, I will never forgive the bastards for what they did to the >record library of KFAC. That was one coup d'etat, with ARCO investment >group and the late Yascha Heifetz's daughter in law! KFAC had the largest >classical music library, west of the Mississippi. Not only largest, but finest. KUSC is run by boobs, plain and simple, who follow the "University of Spoiled Children" mantra of commercialism being best. > >KMZT is commercial, and plays great classical music. You actually can enjoy >listening to Rich Caparella and absorb the tidbit information he gives on >the music and the performers. It's garbage when compared to the halcyon days of KFAC. >But, KUSC still rules when it comes to opera, Jim Shweida is irreplaceable! Eh. >All in all, L.A. has three classical music stations, KCSN, KMZT, and KUSC. >If you can get the San Bernardino station too, you are fortunate. That is >more stations than any other kind of format in town! KVCR at San Bernardino Valley College, or the one at Cal State? Neither will refract off the interposed mountain range to get over here at all. >I'm not a great fan of what is going on in this country, but it has a lot >more to do with the "doofus" factor than any orchestrated incursion by any >group, etc. > >Until the Dems figure out what their message is and what they stand for, the >Republicans and neo nuts will be impressing their agenda on the masses. >Whether that is good or bad, I'll let others judge. The Dems' "message" is clear to any student of history of the 20th century. The problem is I do not think that they realize that the US electorate has become more stupid since their heyday, nor do I feel they fully recognize the brainwashing efforts of the fundie church industry, aided at abetted as they are by Korporate Amerika.. >Just remember though, it was Nixon that brought us the EPA and many other >agencies that many Americans , to this day greatly appreciate. False. It was the Democratic Congress that brought us the EPA, National Rail Passenger Corporation and other publically-oriented agencies and quasi-corporations. Nixon only signed them into law because at the time, there wasn't this current "neonut/christonut" movement afoot in Washington, and on the EPA and Amtrak deals, the Dems had the votes in store for override any Nixon veto. Even then, Nixon tried, at the behest of the investors who were left with Penn-Central and other failing railroads, to kill off Amtrak. However, his Secretary of Transportation, John Volpe, was earnest in making NRPC actually work, much to Nixon's displeasure. Nixon gave up rather than replace Volpe since again, the Dems had the votes and the power to really screw him up...which they did a couple of years later. Huzzah for the two party system! To show how bad the US has gotten, just imagine Bush Bird trying to pull what he's pulled now back in the '70s...he would have been impeached LONG before now.. >It's good >when you have two parties counter weighing the other in Congress and the >executive branches! We're currently "enjoying" the same kind of goverment as our old nemesis, the USSR...one party with an unchallenged head of state, his administration filled with unflinching "yes men." The same things are happening here that happened to the USSR back in the '90s...issue one being impending bankruptcy due to unbridled, irresponsible spending and borrowing from China and other economic enemies. Article: 337290 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "bsaylor@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Parts question and tale of acquisition Date: 12 Jul 2006 09:47:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1152722822.455033.219540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <44b2650f$0$3630$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> > > I'm kinda curious as to which of the other local stores are to be closing > > soon. I know the "closest" one to me seems dead MOST of the time, so if it > > disappears - it would be no surprise. > > > No published list of locations that i know of, but it would be my > guess that if there is no "Store Closing" signs in the windows by now, > its probably not on the list. Go to the store locator area on the RadioShack website... type in your zip code and it will list all the stores in your area, indicating which are closing. Many may already be closed, but there may still be some open, Brett Article: 337291 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Low cost SMD Oven for making SMD samples and Prototypes Date: 12 Jul 2006 10:32:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1152725571.188955.305850@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1152701893.605620.41090@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > Ok, it probably doesn't belong here, BUT... it really is a way cool > inovative solution to surface mount breadboarding. Showing my ignernce here. I guess I'm out of touch with how things are done in the modern age. How does a circuit board require an oven? I thought they were etched with liquids? Tox Article: 337292 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 12 Jul 2006 10:50:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1152726614.594102.221380@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> barryh wrote: The asbestos laps over the edge of the chassis > shelf on those and one, in particular, is flaking. On closer > inspection, I saw quite a bit of loose fibers in the case. I > immediately repacked the thing as I wasn't set up to deal with it. I'd have to say that this one needs removing. I think all of you have a piece of the truth, and the answer for me is a combination of all of it. If it's in good shape, I'd leave it in place, maybe seal it if I felt like it but finding and buying Amberoid cement (whatever that is) would be yet another time consuming chore for a guy who does 2-3 radios a year if that. A hand sized piece in good shape sitting on the shelf is not going to be a significant risk. Barryh's, I'd remove outdoors wearing a good mask (a real rubber seal mask with micron cartridges, not the 10 cent variety), dispose in double packaging, and wipe down the cabinet with a wet sponge. BTW, an unasked question: for those of you who always remove them, what to you REPLACE them with to prevent cabinet warping and burning? Tox Article: 337293 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" Subject: Homebrew console amp Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:34:27 GMT A friend called me to see a console he saved from thrash. The tuner was missing, still there the amplifier, the speaker and the schematic folded under the amp chassis. I've retouched up with photoshop and had good results. The amp was originally an EL34 PP and, basing with voltages and EL34 data sheets it may be able to give near about 60W (!!). Original tubeline is EF86, ECC82, 2x EL34, GZ34. The only tubes still there are: a 6SL7 and 5U4. I guess who made this amp used what was in his hands and following schematic as close as possible. The EF86 is missing but the socket is correct and correctly wired up; The 6SL7 is in place of the ECC82, the correct octal socket confirms. The 5U4 in place of the GZ34. So i guess he used a power transformer a bit different from the original since voltages are a bit different from the ones noted on schematic, also, schematic reports a power transfomer tapped for bias and, separately, a way to obtain the bias with a transformer wired without the tap, this second solution it has been adopted by the manufacturer. It's a very simple schematic, easy to be worked around, well built. The big output transformer is really attractive. We were thinking about rewiring the PP for a couple of inexpensive 6BG6 and giving it a bit of 'old looking'. I guess the only part that needs to be really modified is the bias controller section, from the original -35 to the -28 that i can see from data sheets curves for the 6BG6, but... have i to work on the bias supply near the power transformer or at the fase controller between tubes?? Suggestions are welcome about substituting the EF86 and 6SL7 with 'G' shape tubes, my friend would be thank you for this too. Schematics here: http://www.junkradios.com/public/consolamp.gif http://www.junkradios.com/public/consolamp_power.gif -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 337294 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry S" Subject: Re: Low cost SMD Oven for making SMD samples and Prototypes Date: 12 Jul 2006 11:34:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1152729271.258660.43640@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152701893.605620.41090@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Wow... yes you are. Circuit boards require an oven to reflow the solder paste placed on them during the manufacturing process. The surface mount components are placed on the footprints, often tacked down with an adhesive. The entire board goes thru an oven to heat it at a controlled rate, gently at first then ramping up, all designed to minimize the thermally induced stresses in the board and the components. Finally it reaches a temperature that reflows the solder, soldering down all the component leads or pads. Then the temperature is ramped down again at a controlled rate, again to minimize stresses. It's called a reflow profile. However, I'm finding it difficult to believe that a toaster oven can be controlled well enough to do this task... Especially for lead-free assemblies which require higher temperatures and more rigid reflow profiles.... Maybe OK for hobbyist usage, on the larger components... but it ain't gonna work on real fine pitch stuff or ball grid packages.... I'd be surprised, anyway... Terry. (doing pcb design for 20+ years now) toxcrusadr wrote: > Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > > Ok, it probably doesn't belong here, BUT... it really is a way cool > > inovative solution to surface mount breadboarding. > > Showing my ignernce here. I guess I'm out of touch with how things are > done in the modern age. How does a circuit board require an oven? I > thought they were etched with liquids? > > Tox Article: 337295 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 12 Jul 2006 11:41:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1152729702.703667.297150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> GRUMP!!! RANT WARNING RANT WARNING RANT WARNING Asbestos ain't nohow a legend, over-hyped, or over cautioned. It is a dangerous material that can manifest its effects as much as 60 years after a _SINGLE_ exposure, or only a few weeks after a large exposure. Smokers are far more prone to its effects, but anyone, anywhere can be affected if exposed. I have spent the last 35 years in or around the construction industry, and have seen my father-in-law (multiple exposure, smoker) a neighbor (single exposure, non-smoker) and quite a number of workers (mostly smokers) die from the stuff over that time. Known dangers are only from inhalation. Tests show it may be eaten, drunk, rolled in, made into gloves, clothing, whatever. As long as it stays out of lungs. So, let's look at the situation from that perspective. The point is to keep it out of lungs. Any lungs, any where. Premise: You have a radio containing asbestos. That radio is under your control. You have four legitimate (for lack of a better word) choices. 1. Get rid of the radio. 2. Get rid of the asbestos & keep the radio. 3. Render the asbestos harmless & keep the radio. 4. Do nothing, and the radio remains a shelf-queen. The first merely passes the problem on to someone who may or may not follow some of the advice rendered here and just dump the stuff in the normal trash, remove it in his/her basement (potentially exposing kits, cats, sacks and wives) or worse. The second assumes a stringent level of care and precautions that are costly and troublesome... and proper, sure disposal. That last, at least legally, is not typically within the means of most of us excepting at a significant expense. This, to me, represents the best option. And if this can be done in a way to maintain the purpose of the material in the first place, even better. The problem is _solved_ and all the peripheral requirements are eliminated. The fourth is an option. I don't like it personally, but it is infinitely better than messing with the stuff without the proper precautions or results. So, ignoring the Polyannas and the Cassandras, the choice I would make would be based on the long-term, and would I have _that_ radio in the same room with the grandchildren. Kinda-sorta makes the decision much easier to make and the choices far more limited. Ambroid (wood) Model Cement ( http://www.ambroid.com/Ambroid.html#1511 ) may be purchased at any art-supply, hobby-shop, most hardware stores, and on-line. It is cheap, as is acetone. It is only one of several similar materials that will do approximately the same job, I choose it because of its designed-in heat resistance when cured. But Duco Cement is a very similar product equally easy to find. I am not sure of its heat-resistance, however. Nail lacquer would be unsuitable as many formulations are highly flammable (nitrocellulose). END RANT. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337296 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <6AXsg.20041$O35.1364@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1152666874.118628.143810@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:10:08 GMT I don't know why I bother to answer anymore! RadioGary wrote: > These are NOT two in parallel. This is a model 16 chassis from a > console set. Sorry if there was any confusion, but went through this > with another person on a Philco site until he found the right > schematic. > > They are not on the AC line either. I'm still wondering if they are > critical. So far no one says they are. > > > Lou deGonzague wrote: >> On my schematic that cap is a .3uf. If you look at it you see 2 >> terminals tied together so they used 2 .15 in parallel. >> >> RadioGary wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a >>> stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea >>> .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going >>> down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant >>> within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or >>> EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. >>> >>> Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. >>> This is a model 16 chassis BTW. >>> > Article: 337297 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 12 Jul 2006 12:27:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1152732423.583723.264210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Peter Wieck wrote: > GRUMP!!! > > RANT WARNING RANT WARNING RANT WARNING > END RANT. > Ok, but what do you replace it with to prevent cabinet damage? I'm thinking Twinkies, just the foamy part, with the filling removed. Tox Article: 337298 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: 12 Jul 2006 12:33:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1152732820.949813.204100@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I understand your frustration with me asking questions. I think that would be the best alternative is for you not to bother to answer my questions then. I hope you remain a more pleasant person to the rest of the world. Perhaps you and Desert Bob should run away together. Have a nice day, GB Lou deGonzague wrote: > I don't know why I bother to answer anymore! > > RadioGary wrote: > > These are NOT two in parallel. This is a model 16 chassis from a > > console set. Sorry if there was any confusion, but went through this > > with another person on a Philco site until he found the right > > schematic. > > > > They are not on the AC line either. I'm still wondering if they are > > critical. So far no one says they are. > > > > > > Lou deGonzague wrote: > >> On my schematic that cap is a .3uf. If you look at it you see 2 > >> terminals tied together so they used 2 .15 in parallel. > >> > >> RadioGary wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a > >>> stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea > >>> .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going > >>> down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant > >>> within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or > >>> EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > >>> > >>> Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > >>> This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > >>> > > Article: 337299 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:25:50 -0700 Message-ID: <24356-44B54CBE-512@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152729702.703667.297150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Peter: Not disputing your analysis/ Grump/Uber-Rant. Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 12 Jul 2006 12:36:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1152733001.400041.219450@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> toxcrusadr wrote: > Ok, but what do you replace it with to prevent cabinet damage? > > I'm thinking Twinkies, just the foamy part, with the filling removed. > > Tox Biting my fingers as hard as I can to prevent snippy comments from coming through... I DO NOT remove the asbestos, so I DO NOT have to replace it. I "SAFE" it so that it can do no harm yet continue to function as-designed. Since I am still in a semi-rant mode, please excuse the tone. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337301 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 12 Jul 2006 12:49:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1152733787.747332.285930@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152729702.703667.297150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Bill Sheppard wrote: > Peter: > Not disputing your analysis/ Grump/Uber-Rant. about all the asbestos in brake linings? While it's being phased out in > newer equipment, there's decades worth of it still out there. Seems like > mechanics in auto shops would be particularly vulnerable from doing > brake jobs. I shudder to think of all the dust-laden brakes i've changed > in years past with no precautions taken. I should be keeling over any > time now. > > Bill(oc) Bill: A common question: But if... "they" don't experience a problem, it must be harmless, right? Asbestos must be 'friable' to be harmful. That is in particles small enough (< 0.4 microns, typically) and *LIGHT* enough to become airborne and small enough to get into the lungs. Typically the asbestos found in brake linings is quite heavy, thermally compromised (bound to other materials due to manufacturing binders, heat or partially fused), or any of several other reasons for it to be less volatile than asbestos *insulation*, the nature of which is to be loosely bound fibers... thereby increasing thermal insulation properties. That is not to say mechanics, especially those who use air-hoses are not at potential risk They are and there are well-documented cases due to exposure to brake-lining material. But relatively few considering the millions of exposures. Similarly, epoxy-bonded "Transite" (vs. cementicious-bonded) is still in somewhat common use in laboratory applications and acid-safes and such as even when cut or abraided, the fibers tend to be bound to the binding materials and therefore not friable. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337302 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carter, k8vt" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <26972-44B2E039-717@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <1152616233.822260.299940@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1152726614.594102.221380@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1152729702.703667.297150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <0wctg.63878$Lm5.39466@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:58:52 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > GRUMP!!! > > RANT WARNING RANT WARNING RANT WARNING > > Asbestos ain't nohow a legend, over-hyped, or over cautioned. It is a > dangerous material that can manifest its effects as much as 60 years > after a _SINGLE_ exposure, or only a few weeks after a large exposure. > Smokers are far more prone to its effects, but anyone, anywhere can be > affected if exposed. Peter, I've generally got to agree with you. Asbestos is indeed nasty stuff (although some may debate about the asbestos sheets in radios). However, let me add the following warning: Many people here on this NG are somewhat "electrically oriented", which is to say that some may do their own electrical work (as in house wiring). If you are in that category and go into the attic of a house that has "Zonolite" insulation (looks a little like popcorn), DO NOT TOUCH IT !!! This is an "expanded" form of a mineral that is a great insulator but also contained a lot of asbestos. It was used extensively as a home insulation in the 50s-60s-70s. This stuff is *unbelievably* NASTY. Do not take my word for this but rather refer to the following book: "An Air That Kills" by Andrew Schneider, call number 363.1791 S Like you, I know some electricians that used to swim in this stuff, have been diagnosed with mesotholemia and are essentially waiting to die... :-( P.S. The book also addresses the issue of asbestos in brake linings. Article: 337303 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:18:30 -0700 Message-ID: <17499-44B56726-469@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152733787.747332.285930@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> >From Peter: >...even when cut or abraided, the fibers >tend to be bound to the binding materials >and therefore not friable. Aha. Makes sense. So even if copious amounts of brake dust are inhaled (as in a brake shop), each individual dust particle is actually an aggregate that is not carcinogenic like isolated asbestos fibers would be. Right? oc Article: 337304 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Attention Paul D. Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:45:39 -0400 Message-ID: <12barcg7c01gnde@corp.supernews.com> Didn't you say a restored, working version was worth less than this? Perhaps we should e mail the high bidder :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&item=300005013227 John H. Article: 337305 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44b57bfc$0$31643$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: Low cost SMD Oven for making SMD samples and Prototypes References: <1152701893.605620.41090@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: 12 Jul 2006 22:47:24 GMT erica wrote: > This SMD Oven Controller (SMDOC-01) is designed to use with a toaster > oven. It provide a low cost solution for making SMD prototypes and Would this by any chance be based on the Elektor design? (www.elektor.com, www.elektuur.nl) Do you have permission to resell? -- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 337306 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <12barcg7c01gnde@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Attention Paul D. Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:23:29 -0500 Message-ID: <44b57753$0$29801$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> The heck with that. Since the second highest bidder likes converted sets so much too I'm gonna e-mail him to see if I can get him to take my converted 6V27 for that price. At least it works and has all the correct knobs. I could use the money. My Intrepid blew out its engine last week and I'm not paying to get it fixed. Good news is I now have a Grand Caravan so someday when I have money again I can use it to haul radios. :-) So. Bet you're tempted to sell your 6B129 now? -p. "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12barcg7c01gnde@corp.supernews.com... > Didn't you say a restored, working version was worth less than this? > Perhaps we should e mail the high bidder :) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&item=300005013227 > > John H. > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337307 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: any of you californians going to this? Date: 12 Jul 2006 16:33:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> http://www.californiahistoricalradio.com/photos66.html i spy what appears to be an AK model 10 neutrodyne breadboard. i am also seriously digging that juke and the high end victrola. wish i were there. that victrola would be in my living room saturday night. Article: 337308 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <12barcg7c01gnde@corp.supernews.com> <44b57753$0$29801$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Attention Paul D. Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:48:33 -0500 Message-ID: <44b57d09$0$29769$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:44b57753$0$29801$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... >I'm gonna e-mail him to see if I can get him to take my converted 6V27 for >that price..... (By the way, lest anyone get the wrong idea, I am kidding - I don't mess with eBayers that way......) Still, I would sell it but I'm not motivated to pack and ship it. Maybe I'll take it to the radio show on Saturday. p -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337309 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:11:23 -0600 Message-ID: <12437-44B58FAB-290@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> What alot of great looking stuff . That jukebox is a mid 30`s Wurlitzer . I have a 1936 Wurlitzer 312 thats alot like that one . Lots of fun they are . The amp has 3 .. 45`s Article: 337310 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:38:05 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote in message > i spy what appears to be an AK model 10 neutrodyne breadboard A "Neutrodyne" breadboard??? WOW, I gotta see that. Must be REALLY RARE, I thought they were all TRFs... Ron Article: 337311 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:43:20 GMT Look at the photo in the 11th row down on the right. That's a AK 55 or 60 from 1929 in a 1924 RCA cabinet. What a kluge... By the way, the AK breadboard is a RADIODYNE, not a Neutrodyne. Ron Article: 337312 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Date: 12 Jul 2006 17:57:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1152752252.502915.312130@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > Look at the photo in the 11th row down on the right. > That's a AK 55 or 60 from 1929 in a 1924 RCA cabinet. > What a kluge... > > By the way, the AK breadboard is a RADIODYNE, not a > Neutrodyne. > > Ron that's what i meant......... a mere slip of the tongue...errr...fingers. Article: 337313 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Date: 12 Jul 2006 18:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1152752712.168939.14990@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Eddie Brimer wrote: > Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > > Look at the photo in the 11th row down on the right. > > That's a AK 55 or 60 from 1929 in a 1924 RCA cabinet. > > What a kluge... > > > > By the way, the AK breadboard is a RADIODYNE, not a > > Neutrodyne. > > > > Ron > > that's what i meant......... a mere slip of the > tongue...errr...fingers. as i am sure you know, there is a "neutrowound" breadboard. i am sitting here looking at mine. which....by the way, i need a set of transformers for. Article: 337314 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:12:23 -0700 Message-ID: <44b59df8$0$96158$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> I went last year and had a blast. Didn't buy anything (had to leave early). Lots of really nice items, and a small junkfest beside the auction which is where most of the bargains were. Not sure if I'll go this year. Steve Article: 337315 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <44b2650f$0$3630$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44B2671F.B61C705D@earthlink.net> <44b2e01e$0$3631$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44B2FC00.D8802252@earthlink.net> <1152722822.455033.219540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Parts question and tale of acquisition Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:13:14 -0400 Message-ID: <44b59e23$0$3628$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> wrote in message news:1152722822.455033.219540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> > I'm kinda curious as to which of the other local stores are to be >> > closing >> > soon. I know the "closest" one to me seems dead MOST of the time, so if >> > it >> > disappears - it would be no surprise. >> > > >> No published list of locations that i know of, but it would be my >> guess that if there is no "Store Closing" signs in the windows by now, >> its probably not on the list. > > Go to the store locator area on the RadioShack website... type in your > zip code and it will list all the stores in your area, indicating which > are closing. Many may already be closed, but there may still be some > open, > > Brett > Thanks, I'll have to give that a try. Haven't been on their web site for quite some time. I know there are a few stores open here - yet, but the one that closed was in a very busy area and it just caught me by surprise, I suppose. Then they at that store mentioned others biting the dust too. Hmmmmmm. I suppose I'm really wondering if this is the beginning of the end? I and a friend of mine, used to frequent the "local" store at least once a week if not more. Spending close to a hundred dollars or more "each" - each month. They had a "good" sales staff then. Polite, not overbearing, certainly not trying to shove a computer or cell phone down your throat. They changed staff and managers and well..... we are now lucky if we go to "that" store twice a year. I can't recall the last time I spent a "dime" in that store - let alone hundreds of dollars for things. clfe Article: 337316 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:23:11 -0600 Message-ID: <12437-44B5A07F-293@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <17499-44B56726-469@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> I dont replace it with anything . If you look at a hundred radios 3 might have asbestos . The asbestos radios dont have any different parts than the other 97 radios . Asbestos is a known hazard May some of it be minor . I firmly stand on safely removing it away from others reach . Most people remove hazards >from other peoples reach . I will never understand this ``cover up a hazard with goo`` . Article: 337317 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:51:47 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: A real whatzit Message-ID: I see some rectifiers of various types, some light bulbs, a couple of coils, a magnet, a rheostat, and maybe even a tube. Maybe a power supply with multiply redundant rectifiers for those critical applications ;) Ebay item 320005998272 Would be cool as a Haunted Lab Halloween display, static of course. Article: 337318 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Dial Covers Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:42:42 -0600 Message-ID: <12436-44B5A512-1231@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: John B have you figured out Zenith console square domed covers ? I made one out of thick plastic that turned out perfect but i will be damned if i can get it to work again . Must have been luck ? Article: 337319 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <12barcg7c01gnde@corp.supernews.com> <44b57753$0$29801$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Attention Paul D. Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:47:45 GMT "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:44b57753$0$29801$88260bb3@free.teranews.com... > > Good news is I now have a Grand Caravan so someday when I have money again I can > use it to haul radios. :-) > > It's about time! I was getting tired of seeing you at the shows with the small cars and no trunk space. Be there Saturday? jim menning Article: 337320 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" Subject: Milwaukee area radio meet this Saturday July 15th Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:54:04 GMT The Wisconsin Antique Radio Club will be holding it's July meet this Saturday. Details here: http://www.geocities.com/wi_arc/meetings.html Article: 337321 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: 13 Jul 2006 03:01:41 GMT Message-ID: References: Tom Adkins (newton5@remove.comcast.net) writes: > I see some rectifiers of various types, some light bulbs, a couple of coils, a > magnet, a rheostat, and maybe even a tube. Maybe a power supply with multiply > redundant rectifiers for those critical applications ;) Ebay item 320005998272 > > Would be cool as a Haunted Lab Halloween display, static of course. The proper way to deal with something like that is to proclaim "Ah, one of those". Thus you appear to know what it is, but don't have to actually know (or lie about what it is). Michael Article: 337322 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <12barcg7c01gnde@corp.supernews.com> <44b57753$0$29801$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Attention Paul D. Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:14:16 -0500 Message-ID: <44b5ad6a$0$29829$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "jim menning" wrote in message news:lvitg.37497$Zo4.16099@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > It's about time! I was getting tired of seeing you at the shows with the > small cars and no trunk space. > > Be there Saturday? I knew you'd say something ;-) This thing is huge, too. Probably holds two more consoles than the standard length van. But it was cheap so I can abuse it a little if need be. Now I'm ready to go to Bolingbrook next month. :) I think I'll be there Sat. unless She Who Must Be Obeyed puts the kibosh on it. Maybe if I tell her I'm selling instead of buying I won't have so much hassle. Only reason why not is that the condo is for sale and it's open Sunday so I may be too busy cleaning to be there. p -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337323 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: Subject: Re: A real whatzit Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:18:42 -0500 "Michael Black" wrote in message news:e94d2l$5k$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > Tom Adkins (newton5@remove.comcast.net) writes: > > I see some rectifiers of various types, some light bulbs, a couple of coils, a > > magnet, a rheostat, and maybe even a tube. Maybe a power supply with multiply > > redundant rectifiers for those critical applications ;) Ebay item 320005998272 > > > > Would be cool as a Haunted Lab Halloween display, static of course. > > The proper way to deal with something like that is to proclaim "Ah, one of > those". Thus you appear to know what it is, but don't have to actually know > (or lie about what it is). > > Michael > Looks like a piece of folk art. But...... what if it really worked????? Nelson Article: 337324 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "graham" Subject: Vast vintage radio collection & tubes, Roseburg, OR Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:28:34 -0700 Message-ID: Not mine, nor do I know the seller, just came across it ... http://portland.craigslist.org/clt/181295757.html Article: 337325 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:38:08 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Re: A real whatzit References: Message-ID: Nelson Gietz wrote: > "Michael Black" wrote in message > news:e94d2l$5k$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > >>Tom Adkins (newton5@remove.comcast.net) writes: >> >>> I see some rectifiers of various types, some light bulbs, a couple of > > coils, a > >>>magnet, a rheostat, and maybe even a tube. Maybe a power supply with > > multiply > >>>redundant rectifiers for those critical applications ;) Ebay item > > 320005998272 > >>> Would be cool as a Haunted Lab Halloween display, static of course. >> >>The proper way to deal with something like that is to proclaim "Ah, one of >>those". Thus you appear to know what it is, but don't have to actually > > know > >>(or lie about what it is). >> >> Michael Yep, I could probably BS my way through a technical explanation. That would be fun. :) It actually reminds me of a very early Fragistat Modulation Deflector, I hear they are very effective for locating and catching Snipes. >> > > Looks like a piece of folk art. But...... what if it really worked????? > Nelson > > That's the problem. It actually looks cool to clean up for a display piece, but if I bought it, I would be too tempted to power it up "just to see what it does", bzzzztttzzzzzaaaaappppp. Article: 337326 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:36:46 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Eddie Brimer wrote: > http://www.californiahistoricalradio.com/photos66.html > > > i spy what appears to be an AK model 10 neutrodyne breadboard. i am > also seriously digging that juke and the high end victrola. wish i were > there. that victrola would be in my living room saturday night. > Ah yes, KRE LIVE! You BET I'm going....If I were restricted to going to a single radio event, this is the one I would attend. It is awesome. This event is going to be HUGE, probably the biggest vintage radio event on the west coast. The organizers have really busted their butts to make this year's KRE LIVE! an event that will go down in radio history. If you are going to be anywhere near Berkeley on Saturday, you MUST attend! And the auction is only part of it! Take a tour of CHRS's ever expanding and improving headquarters, the site of a real honest-to-goodness vintage radio station, KRE. KRE's control room was the one used in the Wolfman Jack scene in the movie "American Graffiti". Vintage radiophiles will enjoy the CHRS museum and radio repair shop. Check it out! Hams will enjoy checking out W6CF, CHRS's club ham station. CHRS's resident hams will be broadcasting to those far away during the event, and there are many rare and excellent pieces of vintage gear in the shack. Check it out! There will be a live performance by the Broadcast Legends. If you've ever wanted to see how dramas were performed in the golden age of radio, this is your ticket. Last year's performance of the Lone Ranger was entertaining to listen to and fascinating to watch, and this year's performance promises to be even better. Check it out! Three (count'em) bands will also be performing at this event, The Jon Hammond Trio, Frankye Kelly & Friends, and The Tamsen Donner Band. Check it out! In addition to the auction, there will be a donation flea market, featuring items that didn't quite make the cut for the auction. There's a lot of great stuff to be had here...In fact, I got some of my most interesting finds of the year out of this area at last year's event. Check it out! If you get hungry, there will be delicious Aidell's premium sausages and Peet's Coffee available, as well as the usual bottled water and soft drinks. Check it out! And last but not least, the Auction...Over 100 quality items will be auctioned off.... If it is anything like last year's event, there will be more than what is shown on the CHRS web site now. Look at those photos-there is truly something for everyone. Check it out! MC'ing this year's event will be Carter B. Smith, one of the most illustrious names in Bay Area radio. The fun starts at 10:00AM this Saturday. Gates open at 9:30AM. Admission is $5.00 at the gate, the best $5.00 you'll spend this summer. Check it out! -Scott Article: 337327 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Low cost SMD Oven for making SMD samples and Prototypes Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:26:48 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1152701893.605620.41090@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1152725571.188955.305850@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1152729271.258660.43640@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Terry S wrote: > > However, I'm finding it difficult to believe that a toaster oven can be > controlled well enough to do this task... Especially for lead-free > assemblies which require higher temperatures and more rigid reflow > profiles.... > > Maybe OK for hobbyist usage, on the larger components... but it ain't > gonna work on real fine pitch stuff or ball grid packages.... I'd be > surprised, anyway... > I knew someone in Silicon Valley who homebrewed one of these things out of a toaster oven. It was a fairly high-end desktop convection oven with precise temperature control, not a $19.00 Wal-Mart cheapie. The guy was an engineer who was intimately familiar with all aspects of SMD, not a backyard hobbyist. It worked pretty well at surprisingly fine pitches, but the really high density items revealed its limitations. Still, it did show that it was possible to do decent SMD from the cheap seats. -Scott Article: 337328 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) Subject: Re: Low cost SMD Oven for making SMD samples and Prototypes Date: 13 Jul 2006 05:10:31 GMT Message-ID: References: <1152701893.605620.41090@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1152725571.188955.305850@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1152729271.258660.43640@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Scott W. Harvey" (NOT_MY_REAL@email.com) writes: > Terry S wrote: >> >> However, I'm finding it difficult to believe that a toaster oven can be >> controlled well enough to do this task... Especially for lead-free >> assemblies which require higher temperatures and more rigid reflow >> profiles.... >> >> Maybe OK for hobbyist usage, on the larger components... but it ain't >> gonna work on real fine pitch stuff or ball grid packages.... I'd be >> surprised, anyway... >> > I knew someone in Silicon Valley who homebrewed one of these things out > of a toaster oven. It was a fairly high-end desktop convection oven with > precise temperature control, not a $19.00 Wal-Mart cheapie. > > The guy was an engineer who was intimately familiar with all aspects of > SMD, not a backyard hobbyist. > > It worked pretty well at surprisingly fine pitches, but the really high > density items revealed its limitations. Still, it did show that it was > possible to do decent SMD from the cheap seats. > > -Scott Keep in mind that the original poster has hit a lot of newsgroups with the same message, and multiple posting to those newsgroups to boot. That tends to give perspective to whatever it is the spammer is selling. Michael Article: 337329 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: A real whatzit Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:14:45 GMT > I see some rectifiers of various types, some light bulbs, a couple of coils, a >magnet, a rheostat, and maybe even a tube. Maybe a power supply with multiply >redundant rectifiers for those critical applications ;) Ebay item 320005998272 > > Would be cool as a Haunted Lab Halloween display, static of course. Quote from the auction page: "Sold As IS and it does not work and it has not been tested." Clearly, the power cord is missing. It probably got tangled about the builder's ankle as he was being abducted by space aliens. Folk art, theatrical prop, or an actual attempt by some ah, "eccentric" individual to build a radio or a time machine, or ??? If ever you get the opportunity to visit Saskatchewan, a must-see is the Sukanen Ship Museum just south of Moose Jaw. The ship in question is a vessel built by one Tom Sukanen, a Finn who came to Saskatchewan by way of Minnesota. Beset by a series of personal tragedies, he decided he should build himself a ship and sail back to Finland. So he built a large boat hull with a deep keel, and equipped it with steam engines of his own making. I saw the remains of one engine. The cylinder was made of a sheet of iron, hot-rolled into a crude cylinder, with a riveted seam. The crankshaft had no bearings on it. More a caricature of an engine, than an honest attempt to build a functional engine; I'd liken it to the airplanes built by cargo cults in New Guinea. Poor Tom Sukanen ended his days in a hospital for the insane, and there is no doubt he was quite mad. But he was also quite a worker and inventor. The ship remains as a kind of monument to a dream. To keep on topic, the museum also incorporates a pioneer village, complete with a circa 1930s radio shop. Also, the Western Development Museum in the city of Moose Jaw has a nice collection of radios. Gordon Richmond