Article: 337330 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:08:03 +0900 Message-ID: References: > Tom Adkins (newton5@remove.comcast.net) writes: >> I see some rectifiers of various types, some light bulbs, a couple of >> coils, a >> magnet, a rheostat, and maybe even a tube. Maybe a power supply with >> multiply >> redundant rectifiers for those critical applications ;) Ebay item >> 320005998272 Wow.... that looks like something I built when I was 10 years old out of tubes and parts scavenged from the dozen or so 20's and 30's radios I found around an old farmhouse we rented in central Utah.. only I plugged mine in and let out all the magic smoke. From daxtATpacifierDOTcom Sat Jul 15 10:00:44 EDT 2006 Article: 337331 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "David Axt" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: eico HF12A schematic? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:16:15 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <12bbp06nr6d41c5@corp.supernews.com> Reply-To: "David Axt" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xt-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-10!sn-xt-sjc-06!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337331 Does anybody have a schematic to the Eico HF12A amp that the would like to share or know where I can get one? Thanks, David Article: 337332 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Date: 13 Jul 2006 02:53:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1152784416.780678.81350@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> > Eddie Brimer wrote: > > http://www.californiahistoricalradio.com/photos66.html Man, I wish I lived in California! And I wish I had the money to buy some of these! :-( Gerry Article: 337333 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: 13 Jul 2006 04:03:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1152788606.113842.114940@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Tom Adkins wrote: > I see some rectifiers of various types, some light bulbs, a couple of coils, a > magnet, a rheostat, and maybe even a tube. Maybe a power supply with multiply > redundant rectifiers for those critical applications ;) Ebay item 320005998272 > > Would be cool as a Haunted Lab Halloween display, static of course. Yikes! So, a copper-oxide rectifier, some amber balls, some random tubes and such, a buzzer, a rheostat, a hammer & anvil speaker magnet, some light bulbs, a coil, some tubes (including an audion??) gives one??? Ah, yes.... One of THOSE!! (Sorry) Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA p.s.: S.W.A.G .... If it ever worked, I am guessing that it made the bulbs blink alternately. BTW, those amber balls are worth some bucks if they are real. Article: 337334 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Date: 13 Jul 2006 04:18:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1152789515.581129.54100@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Scott W. Harvey wrote: > Eddie Brimer wrote: > > http://www.californiahistoricalradio.com/photos66.html > > > > > > i spy what appears to be an AK model 10 neutrodyne breadboard. i am > > also seriously digging that juke and the high end victrola. wish i were > > there. that victrola would be in my living room saturday night. > > > Ah yes, KRE LIVE! You BET I'm going....If I were restricted to going to > a single radio event, this is the one I would attend. It is awesome. > > This event is going to be HUGE, probably the biggest vintage radio event > on the west coast. The organizers have really busted their butts to make > this year's KRE LIVE! an event that will go down in radio history. If > you are going to be anywhere near Berkeley on Saturday, you MUST attend! > > And the auction is only part of it! > > Take a tour of CHRS's ever expanding and improving headquarters, the > site of a real honest-to-goodness vintage radio station, KRE. KRE's > control room was the one used in the Wolfman Jack scene in the movie > "American Graffiti". Vintage radiophiles will enjoy the CHRS museum and > radio repair shop. Check it out! > > Hams will enjoy checking out W6CF, CHRS's club ham station. CHRS's > resident hams will be broadcasting to those far away during the event, > and there are many rare and excellent pieces of vintage gear in the > shack. Check it out! > > There will be a live performance by the Broadcast Legends. If you've > ever wanted to see how dramas were performed in the golden age of radio, > this is your ticket. Last year's performance of the Lone Ranger was > entertaining to listen to and fascinating to watch, and this year's > performance promises to be even better. Check it out! > > Three (count'em) bands will also be performing at this event, The Jon > Hammond Trio, Frankye Kelly & Friends, and The Tamsen Donner Band. Check > it out! > > In addition to the auction, there will be a donation flea market, > featuring items that didn't quite make the cut for the auction. There's > a lot of great stuff to be had here...In fact, I got some of my most > interesting finds of the year out of this area at last year's event. > Check it out! > > If you get hungry, there will be delicious Aidell's premium sausages and > Peet's Coffee available, as well as the usual bottled water and soft > drinks. Check it out! > > And last but not least, the Auction...Over 100 quality items will be > auctioned off.... If it is anything like last year's event, there will > be more than what is shown on the CHRS web site now. Look at those > photos-there is truly something for everyone. Check it out! > > MC'ing this year's event will be Carter B. Smith, one of the most > illustrious names in Bay Area radio. > > The fun starts at 10:00AM this Saturday. Gates open at 9:30AM. Admission > is $5.00 at the gate, the best $5.00 you'll spend this summer. Check it > out! > > -Scott did you say 5.00???? WOW! Article: 337335 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 13 Jul 2006 05:19:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1152793167.614404.99720@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <17499-44B56726-469@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> Ken G. wrote: > I dont replace it with anything . If you look at a hundred radios 3 > might have asbestos . The asbestos radios dont have any different parts > than the other 97 radios . > > Asbestos is a known hazard May some of it be minor . I firmly stand on > safely removing it away from others reach . Most people remove hazards > from other peoples reach . I will never understand this ``cover up a > hazard with goo`` . Ken: It is not "covered", it is "encapsulated". Essentially, the fibers absorb, are bound, and are surrounded by material that will prevent them from becoming exposed or airborne in a harmful form. Asbestos is dangerous in a single mode. If that mode is prevented, it is quite a useful material. Much as many of the items under your sink or inside your medicine cabinet or in your garage. Such as: aspirin, pine-oil cleaner, anti-freeze, insect spray, weed killer, and so forth, too numerous to mention. As to removal, and all kidding aside, if you are using the proper techniques, the proper materials, and the proper disposal methods, more power to you. But short of having a relationship with an abatement contractor such that you have access to licenses, disposal sites and the various forms and such... Well, you get the picture. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337336 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 13 Jul 2006 05:25:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1152793558.316987.318730@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152733787.747332.285930@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Bill Sheppard wrote: > From Peter: > >...even when cut or abraided, the fibers > >tend to be bound to the binding materials >and therefore not friable. > > Aha. Makes sense. So even if copious amounts of brake dust are inhaled > (as in a brake shop), each individual dust particle is actually an > aggregate that is not carcinogenic like isolated asbestos fibers would > be. Right? > oc Something like that. The better term would be 'less' carcinogenic, as there is always a chance that the occasional few bare fibers of the proper size (< 0.4 microns) could become airborne without any attached aggregates. And it must also be noted that dust raised by compressed air of particles easily discerned by the naked eye does not fit that mode typically. But there are (very few) cases of brake-shop workers contracting asbestosis in several forms... but far less than ship workers, insulation workers, even asbestos abatement workers. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337337 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: ST tubes; RCA's mystery tube code Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:03:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3c2e17b86710d76a80c1bed70797b1d9@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Does anyone know when the transition from S tube bulbs to ST occurred? I would like to keep my radio collection somewhat accurate. And am I correct is assuming that apart from 01-A's and 80's, the S-bulbs always have a high temp filament? Also, for 40+ years I have wondered the purpose of the octagonal ring that surrounds the tube designation on RCA tubes- each ring has an opening and each ring has a short line sticking out from the ring; they are always in different places. Do any tube experts know the purpose? -Pete O AI2V Article: 337338 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: 13 Jul 2006 07:35:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1152801351.077923.305700@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: >Tom Adkins wrote: >Ebay item 320005998272 Would any particular part of this agglomeration of electronic detritus be of any use in repairing something useful? Jeeze. It looks like something that crawled out from behind the boiler. :-/ -- Steph weil New york Article: 337339 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: 13 Jul 2006 07:39:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1152801590.694496.58820@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Peter Wieck wrote: > p.s.: S.W.A.G .... If it ever worked, I am guessing that it made the > bulbs blink alternately. BTW, those amber balls are worth some bucks if > they are real. What's the deal with those marbles anyway? -- Steph Article: 337340 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 13 Jul 2006 07:44:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1152801877.541436.286330@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Ken G. wrote: > I remove every one i get and rid anyone else in the future of its > possible trouble . I was repairing a Bendix for a co-worker sometime last year. There was a pad of asbestos glued to the inside of the plate covering the bottom of the chassis. While debating what to do with it (on this forum), I took the plate outside and put it in a transparent bag. Shook the plate a bit and the clump of crap fell off and crumbled. Wiped the plate with a damp paper towel. Problem solved. -- Steph From daxtATpacifierDOTcom Sat Jul 15 10:00:45 EDT 2006 Article: 337341 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "David Axt" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: eico HF12A schematic? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:53:51 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <12bcnauqn6f5351@corp.supernews.com> Reply-To: "David Axt" References: <12bbp06nr6d41c5@corp.supernews.com> <44B6139A.94A7D269@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!sn-xt-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-post-sjc-02!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337341 "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44B6139A.94A7D269@earthlink.net... > David Axt wrote: >> >> Does anybody have a schematic to the Eico HF12A amp that the would like >> to >> share or know where I can get one? >> >> Thanks, >> David > > > Sams Photofact 448-7 has the HF12. > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Thanks! How do I get a hold of a Sams Photofact? -David Article: 337342 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "kb8xi" Subject: potentiometers Date: 13 Jul 2006 07:53:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1152802431.447484.95110@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> I have an older (1937) table model Philco, with a bad volume pot. Is there a good way to restore this item. Getting the proper replacement, with the center tap, may be difficult. Article: 337343 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:06:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1921d23911d858bd0ea8c3aa307d0c92@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <1152801590.694496.58820@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> What's the deal with those marbles anyway? ***The "marbles" are used to stabilize the action of the velocity modulator; without them a type of reverse Barkhausen oscillation would occur in the transmission line to the klystron output probes. The marbles are Yttrium-iron-garnet spherical oscillators, phase locked through the constant-current feedback from the magnetron sampling detector- you would see this on the retrace of the planned position indicator if you shut off the blanking pulse. I hope this answers you question. -Pete O. AI2V Article: 337344 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "barryh" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 13 Jul 2006 08:12:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1152803544.501654.63780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <17499-44B56726-469@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> Peter Wieck wrote: > As to removal, and all kidding aside, if you are using the proper > techniques, the proper materials, and the proper disposal methods, more > power to you. But short of having a relationship with an abatement > contractor such that you have access to licenses, disposal sites and > the various forms and such... Well, you get the picture. The two "bomber" Transoceanics I have, have the stuff lapping over the chassis shelf where the asbestos is particularly crumbly and flaky. I have not attempted to remove the chassis as yet. I just know it will fly around and who knows what's under the chassis in amongst the circuitry? (How do you get rid of that? Vaccum??? Air blast it outdoors?) Years ago, I used to make wooden models and Ambroid was popular. I haven't seen it around lately -- nor Duco cement -- in local stores, but, as I recall, it was amber/orange in color -- and I thought it was also a nitrocellulose product. At any rate, I wouldn't have thought it was particularly heat resistant. Offhand, I might have gone for epoxy as a sealant, but that would be difficult to work with. Anyway, Peter, it would be helpful if you gave us a step-by-step -- really down to the nits -- as to how you go about it. ... something like this -- and I'm second-guessing: 1. Keep radio in plastic bag. 2. Take outside and stay upwind of it -- check what's downwind 3. Put on filter mask (type/model?) 4. Carefully remove from bag, Close up bag and tape. 5. Remove chassis and set aside -- 6. Pick up any loose particles .... How? Tape? 7. Mix x parts Ambroid with y parts acetone. 8. Apply to asbestos -- (How -- brush? Pour it on and spread around?) 9. How to deal with edge overlap -- extra coats? 10. How many coats? 11. Allow X hrs/days to dry. 12. Wrap up and discard brush. As long as we've gone this far on this topic, might as well go a bit further. Another question: What happens after the Ambroid coating is set? Is it thin enough to soak into the asbestos, so that when you go to replace the chassis, put the screws through, etc. that, even if some bits come off they will be aggregated in the glue? I might think that the stuff is still fluffy under the coating whereby if a piece breaks off, particularly where it slops over the chassis shelf, "friable" particles could still be released. I noticed an ebay auction where the seller mentioned that the shelf was "covered in cardboard for personal safety." That didn't sound very confidence-inspiring. However, an extra step might be to glue some material over it. It would have to be thin -- maybe "fish paper" -- that gray stuff? Barry Article: 337345 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: eico HF12A schematic? References: <12bbp06nr6d41c5@corp.supernews.com> <44B6139A.94A7D269@earthlink.net> <12bcnauqn6f5351@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:19:47 GMT David Axt wrote: > Thanks! How do I get a hold of a Sams Photofact? http://www.samswebsite.com/photofacts.html Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337346 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: 13 Jul 2006 15:42:48 GMT Message-ID: References: <1152801590.694496.58820@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1921d23911d858bd0ea8c3aa307d0c92@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> "Pete_O" (stateasylum@private) writes: > What's the deal with those marbles anyway? > > ***The "marbles" are used to stabilize the action of the velocity > modulator; without them a type of reverse Barkhausen oscillation would > occur in the transmission line to the klystron output probes. The marbles > are Yttrium-iron-garnet spherical oscillators, phase locked through the > constant-current feedback from the magnetron sampling detector- you would > see this on the retrace of the planned position indicator if you shut off > the blanking pulse. I hope this answers you question. -Pete O. AI2V > I thought it was something simple, like the builder simply lost his marbles. Michael Article: 337347 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1152802431.447484.95110@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: potentiometers Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:50:11 -0400 Message-ID: I have nearly any value pot you could need, including the tapped ones! Mine are aftermarket types mostly, like Centralab, IRC, Clarostat or Mallory, but the values and the install would be the same. Philco had an extention shaft in many sets so coupling to that is a little different. Also, any pots with bad switches can be sent here and I often have an exact match for the switch. Sometimes I can install new elements in old pots, but that is limited. Mark Oppat The "King of Controls" www.oldradioparts.net "kb8xi" wrote in message news:1152802431.447484.95110@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > I have an older (1937) table model Philco, with a bad volume pot. Is > there a good way to restore this item. Getting the proper replacement, > with the center tap, may be difficult. > > Article: 337348 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:53:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3000-44B66C94-503@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152793167.614404.99720@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> >From Peter: >It is not "covered", it is "encapsulated". >Essentially, the fibers absorb, are bound, >and are surrounded by material that will >prevent them from becoming exposed or >airborne in a harmful form. I'm showin' my ignirance again here, but when the "encapsulating" agent has soaked into the asbestos matting and cured solid, does that not defeat the heat-insulating property of the matting? Seems like the preferred method would be to "envelope" rather than "encapsulate". Maybe an envelope of metalized mylar or similar 'skin' to seal the stuff in? oc Article: 337349 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: FA: Silvertone 1955 wrong speaker Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:11:12 -0400 Message-ID: Not mine, but this is that top of line Silvertone I've mentioned here before that has the fully variable mechanical IF, but the speaker has been changed to a PM. Matching model is the 1905, different cabinet. http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-1936-SILVERTONE-TOMBSTONE-RADIO-MODEL-1955_W0QQitemZ230007322121QQihZ013QQcategoryZ50595QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem If you have some good electrodynamic 8" speakers this might be a good set for ya, and could go real cheap. Mark Oppat Article: 337350 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: 13 Jul 2006 09:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1152808153.428963.159220@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: Pete_O wrote: > I hope this answers you question. -Pete O. AI2V Uhh....huhhh........ ^_^;; steph Article: 337351 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 13 Jul 2006 09:31:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> http://www.albundy.net/episodes/season_5/02/5020001.jpg Shown in an episode of the old "Married With Children" sit-com. Minutes after that shot, it gets destroyed by Al Bundy with a basebal bat. Anyone recognize this thing, or was it just a cardboard prop? -- Steph Weil New York Article: 337352 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: Dial Covers Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:52:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <12436-44B5A512-1231@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:42:42 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote: >John B have you figured out Zenith console square domed covers ? I made >one out of thick plastic that turned out perfect but i will be damned if >i can get it to work again . Must have been luck ? I have done some square domed ones, not sure if they are what you are talking about. I find that thin plastic does not work well for square or rectangular covers as it creases in the corners. Thick plastic does much better. I stock 0.020" through 0.090" plastic. The thicker ones are a bit touchy with regard to bubbling. I think that there might be some moisture trapped in the material and it vaporizes when heated. I am experimenting with a process to remove the moisture, if it is there. Toss one at me and I will see what I can do. John Reproduction dialcovers at www.anatekcorp.com/dialcovers/dialcovers.htm Article: 337353 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:05:17 -0700 Message-ID: Reminds me of the "robots" that I made for my boys when they were small. Basically a bunch of electromechanical junk lashed together with wire and hot glue. Anybody know who they are referring to here? ------------- The gentleman that owns this piece of vintage radio equipment has been liquidating his collection with us here on eBay for the past 5 months. He is an avid collector and is well known as a regular writer for 3 large, well-known Antique Radio and Electronic magazines. ------------- Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337354 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: FA: Silvertone 1955 wrong speaker Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: Not mine, but this is that top of line Silvertone I've mentioned here before **They are great sounding, no question about that. I went nuts with mine for a long time- I forget why but the B+ was too high in the oscillator- that caused terrible RF harmonic distortion and horrible dial accuracy with far more images than usual. A good reason to have a quality o'scope. -Pete O. AI2V Article: 337355 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:47 GMT Looks like it says "LXI Series"...which, if memory serves, was a Sears brand. The next pic shows a radio that looks like it has a different top. Maybe they took a shot of a real radio and then destroyed a prop? That was such an amazingly pointless show... William Article: 337356 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44B68AED.8A2DE169@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:04:08 GMT "William R. Walsh" wrote: > > Looks like it says "LXI Series"...which, if memory serves, was a Sears > brand. The next pic shows a radio that looks like it has a different top. > Maybe they took a shot of a real radio and then destroyed a prop? > > That was such an amazingly pointless show... > > William Now, now, it wasn't pointless. It showed that some white trash could move into a cheap track house, and just how pathetic an ex jock could become. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337357 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44B68AED.8A2DE169@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Message-ID: <5%vtg.42495$Zo4.6308@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:09:05 GMT "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44B68AED.8A2DE169@earthlink.net... > > Now, now, it wasn't pointless. It showed that some white trash could > move into a cheap track house, and just how pathetic an ex jock could > become. > > What's a "track house"? Never heard of that before. jim menning Article: 337358 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 13 Jul 2006 11:57:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1152817020.648867.240400@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> jim menning wrote: > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message > news:44B68AED.8A2DE169@earthlink.net... > > > > Now, now, it wasn't pointless. It showed that some white trash could > > move into a cheap track house, and just how pathetic an ex jock could > > become. > > > > > > > What's a "track house"? Never heard of that before. > > jim menning Hi Jim, I think you are taking a poke at his spelling? But just in case you really wanted to know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tract_housing Regards, Steven Reeves Article: 337359 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44B68AED.8A2DE169@earthlink.net> <5%vtg.42495$Zo4.6308@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1152817020.648867.240400@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:58:47 GMT "Steve Reeves" wrote in message news:1152817020.648867.240400@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > jim menning wrote: >> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message >> news:44B68AED.8A2DE169@earthlink.net... >> > >> > Now, now, it wasn't pointless. It showed that some white trash could >> > move into a cheap track house, and just how pathetic an ex jock could >> > become. >> > >> > >> >> >> What's a "track house"? Never heard of that before. >> >> jim menning > > Hi Jim, > I think you are taking a poke at his spelling? > But just in case you really wanted to know > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tract_housing > Regards, > Steven Reeves > I wasn't poking at him, I thought I was missing a reference to something that may have been a Southern term. "Tract house" I understand, and was probably what he meant. Thanks. jim menning Article: 337360 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 13 Jul 2006 12:31:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1152819116.743349.326240@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152793167.614404.99720@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Bill Sheppard wrote: > I'm showin' my ignirance again here, Not really, these are not very intuitive terms, but they are accurate. but when the "encapsulating" agent > has soaked into the asbestos matting and cured solid, does that not > defeat the heat-insulating property of the matting? > Seems like the preferred method would be to "envelope" > rather than "encapsulate". Maybe an envelope of metalized mylar or > similar 'skin' to seal the stuff in? > oc Encapsulation: Concrete is an "encapsulation" of several types of aggregate in a cement paste, with the cement being ~15% by-volume of the total, excluding the water. Sand and gravel (inert, non-binding materials) make up the remaining 85%. The nature of concrete becomes a combination of the materials included within it. Envelope: A cute birthday card such as one would give one's SO is "enveloped" in an outer covering, which will often equal in volume exceed by area the enclosed contents. And the nature of the contents is unchanged should the external coating be removed, and the nature of the envelope is not affected by its contents. Now that we have defined-by-illustration the intent, the Ambroid Cement *CUT 50% with acetone* is the "cement paste" that then binds the aggregate (asbestos fibers). Ambroid is formulated to resist heat, hot liquids and hot solvents (it is designed to resist a combination of hot methanol, nitromethane and castor-oil, after all) without failure. Asbestos fibers are quite absorbent as typically formulated in this application, so the thinned glue will penetrate well. In the case of the asbestos, the actual by-volume of material added will be considerably less than 15% when cured, but the aggregate will be fully encapsulated. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337361 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 13 Jul 2006 12:44:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1152819885.931645.210430@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <17499-44B56726-469@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> barryh wrote: > Peter Wieck wrote: > > As to removal, and all kidding aside, if you are using the proper > > techniques, the proper materials, and the proper disposal methods, more > > power to you. But short of having a relationship with an abatement > > contractor such that you have access to licenses, disposal sites and > > the various forms and such... Well, you get the picture. > > > The two "bomber" Transoceanics I have, have the stuff lapping over the > chassis shelf where the asbestos is particularly crumbly and flaky. I > have not attempted to remove the chassis as yet. I just know it will > fly around and who knows what's under the chassis in amongst the > circuitry? (How do you get rid of that? Vaccum??? Air blast it > outdoors?) > > Years ago, I used to make wooden models and Ambroid was popular. I > haven't seen it around lately -- nor Duco cement -- in local stores, > but, as I recall, it was amber/orange in color -- and I thought it was > also a nitrocellulose product. At any rate, I wouldn't have thought it > was particularly heat resistant. Offhand, I might have gone for epoxy > as a sealant, but that would be difficult to work with. > > Anyway, Peter, it would be helpful if you gave us a step-by-step -- > really down to the nits -- as to how you go about it. ... something > like this -- and I'm second-guessing: > > 1. Keep radio in plastic bag. > 2. Take outside and stay upwind of it -- check what's downwind > 3. Put on filter mask (type/model?) > 4. Carefully remove from bag, Close up bag and tape. > 5. Remove chassis and set aside -- > 6. Pick up any loose particles .... How? Tape? > 7. Mix x parts Ambroid with y parts acetone. > 8. Apply to asbestos -- (How -- brush? Pour it on and spread around?) > 9. How to deal with edge overlap -- extra coats? > 10. How many coats? > 11. Allow X hrs/days to dry. > 12. Wrap up and discard brush. > > As long as we've gone this far on this topic, might as well go a bit > further. > > Another question: What happens after the Ambroid coating is set? Is > it thin enough to soak into the asbestos, so that when you go to > replace the chassis, put the screws through, etc. that, even if some > bits come off they will be aggregated in the glue? I might think that > the stuff is still fluffy under the coating whereby if a piece breaks > off, particularly where it slops over the chassis shelf, "friable" > particles could still be released. > > I noticed an ebay auction where the seller mentioned that the shelf was > "covered in cardboard for personal safety." That didn't sound very > confidence-inspiring. However, an extra step might be to glue some > material over it. It would have to be thin -- maybe "fish paper" -- > that gray stuff? > > Barry http://www.geocities.com/wa2ise/radios/repair.htm gives a very slightly edited version of my technique. But to clarify: My preference towards Ambroid is that it is formulated against heat and solvents when-cured. It is also commonly available. Our local Home Depot stocks it, for instance. The color helps identify to any future owner that your representation is accurate* (see below). I mix up the liquid and pour it over the mat, then using a small, soft brush spread it around the corners, edges and any cracks so as to be sure to soak through. The first application is poured until the surface remains shiny and stops soaking. THEN it is allowed to cure. Then the second application (usually much lighter), then cure again. *Leave a note in the radio somewhere stating what you have done (see above). Covering over asbestos does two (bad) things: 1. It introduces a material that is fundamentally different in nature >from the asbestos. 2. It does nothing to prevent accidental mechanical disturbance of the asbestos, or to prevent problems if disturbed. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337362 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 13 Jul 2006 13:54:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1152824094.079501.140940@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44b2a69c$0$34575$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Carter, k8vt wrote: > "Zonolite" insulation (looks a little like popcorn), DO NOT TOUCH IT !!! > > This is an "expanded" form of a mineral that is a great insulator but > also contained a lot of asbestos. It was used extensively as a home > insulation in the 50s-60s-70s. > > This stuff is *unbelievably* NASTY. Do not take my word for this but > rather refer to the following book: > > "An Air That Kills" by Andrew Schneider, call number 363.1791 S > There is a lot of information out there, this Zonolite thing blew up in just the past couple of years. Do a Google news search on it, or the NY Times, or look at EPA.gov for fact sheets. Note there was also a lot of expanded mica (vermiculite) used in potting mixes :-o Most of the Zonolite came from Libby, MT where the whole town practically has lung disease. Regarding Peter's comment on removing the asbestos - and I'm not advocating leaving or removing here - you don't need abatement contractors, special disposal sites or anything like that. Small amounts like you would find in a radio can be disposed of in the trash by double bagging and labeling ASBESTOS. This is allowed under Federal law for residences, up to 35 sq. ft. of material I think. If you are a business, different story. Tox Article: 337363 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: 13 Jul 2006 14:17:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1152825477.354467.91490@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Stephanie Weil wrote: > Peter Wieck wrote: > > > p.s.: S.W.A.G .... If it ever worked, I am guessing that it made the > > bulbs blink alternately. BTW, those amber balls are worth some bucks if > > they are real. > > What's the deal with those marbles anyway? > > -- > Steph Not mere glass marbles, but *AMBER* marbles... The Greek name for Amber is "elektron", the root of electricity. Amber has always had an associate with static electricity and has many unusual properties. At one time, it was thought to be a precursor to the "philosopher's stone" for this reason. If those are real amber marbles, intact and contain inclusions, they are worth something. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA From adouglasatgis.net Sat Jul 15 10:00:48 EDT 2006 Article: 337364 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ST tubes; RCA's mystery tube code Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:41:57 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $19.95 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3c2e17b86710d76a80c1bed70797b1d9@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-653.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337364 Hi, Pete asked: >Does anyone know when the transition from S tube bulbs to ST occurred? I >would like to keep my radio collection somewhat accurate. And am I >correct is assuming that apart from 01-A's and 80's, the S-bulbs always >have a high temp filament? 1932. I don't quite follow the other question. > >Also, for 40+ years I have wondered the purpose of the octagonal ring that >surrounds the tube designation on RCA tubes- each ring has an opening and >each ring has a short line sticking out from the ring; they are always in >different places. Do any tube experts know the purpose? Date and factory code. The details were available in a handout at an AWA meet years ago, by Bro. Pat Dowd, and may still be available >from the Tube Collectors Assoc., www.tubecollectors.org Alan Article: 337365 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 13 Jul 2006 15:05:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1152828340.175760.250330@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> The 'next pic shows a radio that looks like it has a different top' is probably a result of "Take 2" [or 3 or 4 or 5] since I doubt they would have a bunch of identical radios to smash. Neil S. William R. Walsh wrote: > Looks like it says "LXI Series"...which, if memory serves, was a Sears > brand. The next pic shows a radio that looks like it has a different top. > Maybe they took a shot of a real radio and then destroyed a prop? > > That was such an amazingly pointless show... > > William Article: 337366 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Solomon Subject: Re: Low cost SMD Oven for making SMD samples and Prototypes Message-ID: References: <1152701893.605620.41090@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:22:27 GMT On 12 Jul 2006 03:58:13 -0700, "erica" wrote: >This SMD Oven Controller (SMDOC-01) is designed to use with a toaster >oven. It provide a low cost solution for making SMD prototypes and >samples. The temperature profile is similar to the expensive industrial >SMD oven provided. So, the sample quality is as good as the industrial >oven can do. It is capable for packages including 0402, BGA, QFP, SOP, >SSOP, TSSOP, SOT, etc. It is an indispensable tool for R&D and making >samples. It is very suitable for electronic companies, laboratories, >universities and hobbyists. SMD Oven Controller (SMDOC-01) is only >US$206, including oven (PCB size is large up to 19 x 17cm) is US$283. >Voltage 220V, 8A fused. > >Features: >1.Small, low price, performance comparable to expensive industrial SMD >oven. >2.Capable for any SMD packages. An indispensable tool for R&D, sample >making and small batch production. >3.No hand soldering. No painful. No difficult. Save time. >4.Connectable to PC via RS232 for profile setup and temperature >monitor. It can also operate independently without PC. >5.Simple to use. LEDs indication for each stage of pre-heat, soak, >reflow and cooling. Alarm and power cut off after finished. > > >Product information : http://www.auto-system.com >Please send me email : erica@auto-system.com for any inquiry or order. Hell, just use a heat gun. Works fine if you watch what you're doing! Article: 337367 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jj" Subject: philips capella 643 Date: 13 Jul 2006 16:20:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1152832856.111094.253240@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I have a Philips Capella 643 in near mint condition, and wondering if there is any interest in a buyer. You can e-mail me @ jeffrey_j6@yahoo.com Article: 337368 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Janssen Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44B68AED.8A2DE169@earthlink.net> <5%vtg.42495$Zo4.6308@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:22:53 GMT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020201010309040400030209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jim menning wrote: >"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message >news:44B68AED.8A2DE169@earthlink.net... > > >> Now, now, it wasn't pointless. It showed that some white trash could >>move into a cheap track house, and just how pathetic an ex jock could >>become. >> >> >> >> > > >What's a "track house"? Never heard of that before. > >jim menning > > > > The rail road companies used them for the track crew. Bill K7NOM --------------020201010309040400030209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jim menning wrote: 
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What's a "track house"?  Never heard of that before.

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--------------020201010309040400030209-- Article: 337369 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: ST tubes; RCA's mystery tube code Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:39:23 -0400 Message-ID: <5dad455648d5ab6117dafa056302f253@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <3c2e17b86710d76a80c1bed70797b1d9@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> And am I >correct is assuming that apart from 01-A's and 80's, the S-bulbs always have a high temp filament? 1932. I don't quite follow the other question. **Tnx for the info, Alan. The other part of the question was from an observation- that the S-bulb tube filaments glow very bright near-white(like an 01-A) while the same type tube in the ST bulb have filaments that glow the usual reddish-orange. Maybe I'm the only one who noticed??? -Pete Article: 337370 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:40:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3000-44B6DA07-556@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152819116.743349.326240@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> >From Peter: >Asbestos fibers are quite absorbent.... so >the thinned glue will penetrate well. In >the case of the asbestos, the actual >by-volume of material added will be >considerably less than 15% when cured, >but the aggregate will be fully >encapsulated. Understood. But again the question (to repeat): When the ambroid has soaked into the asbestos matting and cured, does the aggregate become more heat-conductive and lose insulating efficiency? Or does its insulating efficiency remain unchanged from that of the the raw asbestos? Take brake linings which are (were) an asbestos-containing aggregate. Their primary design criterion is not to insulate, but to operate at high temperatures without mechanically degrading. oc Article: 337371 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: tbavis@_remove_this_rochester.rr.com (Tom Bavis) Subject: Re: eico HF12A schematic? Message-ID: <44b6e28e.7056718@news-server> References: <12bbp06nr6d41c5@corp.supernews.com> <44B6139A.94A7D269@earthlink.net> <12bcnauqn6f5351@corp.supernews.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:21:32 GMT On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:53:51 -0700, "David Axt" wrote: > >"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message >news:44B6139A.94A7D269@earthlink.net... >> David Axt wrote: >>> >>> Does anybody have a schematic to the Eico HF12A amp that the would like >>> to >>> share or know where I can get one? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> David >> >> >> Sams Photofact 448-7 has the HF12. >> >> >> -- >> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to >> prove it. >> Member of DAV #85. >> >> Michael A. Terrell >> Central Florida > >Thanks! How do I get a hold of a Sams Photofact? Schematic is online at The EICO site: http://users.erols.com/fiddler.interport/EICO.HTM > >-David > > Article: 337372 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 13 Jul 2006 18:16:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1152839783.422407.58070@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1152819116.743349.326240@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Bill Sheppard wrote: > From Peter: > >Asbestos fibers are quite absorbent.... so >the thinned glue will > penetrate well. In > >the case of the asbestos, the actual > >by-volume of material added will be > >considerably less than 15% when cured, > >but the aggregate will be fully > >encapsulated. > > Understood. But again the question (to repeat): When the ambroid has > soaked into the asbestos matting and cured, does the aggregate become > more heat-conductive and lose insulating efficiency? Or does its > insulating efficiency remain unchanged from that of the the raw > asbestos? > > Take brake linings which are (were) an asbestos-containing aggregate. > Their primary design criterion is not to insulate, but to operate at > high temperatures without mechanically degrading. > oc Bill: Point is that "insulation" characteristics and "high temperature" characteristics are quite similar (but emphatically not identical). Ambroid *does* resist high temperatures, not nearly as well as asbestos, but certainly better than similar formulations made without that requirement. So, the short answer is that the behavior of the asbestos *will* be reduced somewhat over the bare material, but at the same time, the film-strength of the material will be greatly enhanced. So, the ultimate performance as insulation will likely be very similar after treatment as before. But in terms of pure *fire* protection, plain asbestos will be best. Obviously. Against warping, charring or similar, it will be a close-run thing. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337373 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" Subject: CC-AWA Summer Swap meet Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:40:27 GMT The CC-AWA Summer Swap meet is Saturday July 22 in Valdez, NC. You can find all the details and driving directions on the CC-AWA web page at; http://cc_awa.homestead.com/Summer.html As with ALL of our Saturday swap meets, admission is FREE. It's just $5 for vendor setup. Hope to see ya there. Article: 337374 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:54:10 -0400 Message-ID: <12be1qjhugao217@corp.supernews.com> References: <1152747221.592329.85840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1152784416.780678.81350@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1152784416.780678.81350@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> Eddie Brimer wrote: >> > http://www.californiahistoricalradio.com/photos66.html > > Man, I wish I lived in California! And I wish I had the money to buy > some of these! You'd need it, radios and phonos are worth twice as much there because everything is so new. Look at LA of the early 1930's- barely a city. John H. From adouglasatgis.net Sat Jul 15 10:00:49 EDT 2006 Article: 337375 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ST tubes; RCA's mystery tube code Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:43:25 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $19.95 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3c2e17b86710d76a80c1bed70797b1d9@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <5dad455648d5ab6117dafa056302f253@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-665.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news4 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337375 Hi, >**Tnx for the info, Alan. The other part of the question was from an >observation- that the S-bulb tube filaments glow very bright >near-white(like an 01-A) while the same type tube in the ST bulb have >filaments that glow the usual reddish-orange. Maybe I'm the only one who >noticed??? -Pete There were developments in cathode insulators (for faster warmup) going on about that time, as AC tubes were still relatively new, so quite possibly the newer heaters ran at a lower temperature. Alan Article: 337376 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gerald D. Pine" Subject: Stewart-Warner lowboy console cabinet needs to be matched to radio Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:18:13 -0700 Message-ID: I picked up a nice little lowboy radio today (at least I thought that was what I was picking up). It turned out to be just the cabinet. the console is about the size of a small night stand with a fold down cover over the radio face and two lower drawers for storage. As near as I can tell it probably contained either a Stewart-Warner 1105 or a Stewart-Warner 1154. Now for a long shot. Is there by chance anyone out there who might have the chassis for one of these models without a cabinet. I'd be happy to work out a deal either way so that one of us ended up with both the chassis and the cabinet. If I get a positive response to this post, I'm also going to buy a lottery ticket. Thanks. Gerald -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337377 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:57:56 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Stephanie Weil wrote: > http://www.albundy.net/episodes/season_5/02/5020001.jpg > > Shown in an episode of the old "Married With Children" sit-com. > > Minutes after that shot, it gets destroyed by Al Bundy with a basebal > bat. > > Anyone recognize this thing, or was it just a cardboard prop? > > -- > Steph Weil > New York > Genuine radio, Sears Roebuck, early to mid-1980s. Probably manufactured for sears by Sanyo. "Married with Children" was the first show ever aired on Fox, and its only genuine hit for a long, long time. It ran longer on that network than any other show except "The Simpsons" and "America's Most Wanted". It's a sleazy, pointless show, but compared to the crap that Fox runs now, it is high art. -Scott Article: 337378 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "radiogrambloke" Subject: Various Valves For Sale and Record Stylus Date: 13 Jul 2006 22:25:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1152854710.212639.314990@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Hi , If your looking for a particular valve,record stylus or perhaps a radio, you may even would like one repaired , restored either mantle, wooden upright , radiogram or even a gramophone. Please feel free to contact me with your enquiry. Kind Regards Pete The Radio-Gram Bloke Article: 337379 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "kb8xi" Subject: Re: potentiometers Date: 13 Jul 2006 22:37:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1152855427.565773.102730@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152802431.447484.95110@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> My thanks to all who replied to my post. I decided to carefully clean the pot, using a soft cloth on the carbon surface, and cleaned all contact surfaces of dirt, etc. I also reset the the contact spring distances. The regenerated pot now works well on an analog ohm meter, with no gaps or variations, and works perfectly in the radio a 1937 table model Philco, Model No. 37-630), which has been in our family since being originally purchased by my grandfather. I was also able to rejuvenate the original tuning meter used in this model. One note for the Mark Oppat response...I had already on hand a center tapped replacement pot, but it did not have the shaft that mated with the original Philco extension shaft mentioned (the pot was mounted on the rear chassis on the 1937 Philco sets), and would have required extensive machining of the supplied shaft. Hence the rebuilding. A note for those working on the 1937 Philcos...the sub chassis on the volume control end, must be disconnected from the main chassis ( 7 self taping screws), before you can remove and disconnect the volume control. Roland Burgan, KB8XI Mark Oppat wrote: > I have nearly any value pot you could need, including the tapped ones! Mine > are aftermarket types mostly, like Centralab, IRC, Clarostat or Mallory, > but the values and the install would be the same. Philco had an extention > shaft in many sets so coupling to that is a little different. > > Also, any pots with bad switches can be sent here and I often have an exact > match for the switch. Sometimes I can install new elements in old pots, > but that is limited. > > Mark Oppat > The "King of Controls" > www.oldradioparts.net > > > "kb8xi" wrote in message > news:1152802431.447484.95110@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > I have an older (1937) table model Philco, with a bad volume pot. Is > > there a good way to restore this item. Getting the proper replacement, > > with the center tap, may be difficult. > > > > Article: 337380 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "barryh" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 14 Jul 2006 01:15:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1152864911.362813.42380@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152819116.743349.326240@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > Point is that "insulation" characteristics and "high temperature" > characteristics are quite similar (but emphatically not identical). > Ambroid *does* resist high temperatures, not nearly as well as > asbestos, but certainly better than similar formulations made without > that requirement. So, the short answer is that the behavior of the > asbestos *will* be reduced somewhat over the bare material, but at the > same time, the film-strength of the material will be greatly enhanced. > So, the ultimate performance as insulation will likely be very similar > after treatment as before. But in terms of pure *fire* protection, > plain asbestos will be best. Obviously. Against warping, charring or > similar, it will be a close-run thing. > Hi Peter (and list) Many thanks for the details. It would be nice if this were all published on a web site or two. Thinking about it further, it seems there is an inconsistency in the manufacturers' application of asbestos (or at least Zenith's) and I wonder if you or someone could explain. The 7G's have the coating and maybe some 8G's -- I don't recall. Plus, this thread started with someone asking about a wooden Emerson. Apparently, the asbestos under the chassis was a "sometimes" thing from the late 30's through maybe early 50's. Just sorting out the Transoceanics: The 7G's had hot-running rectifier tubes as did the 8G's, though the later ones used the minature version. Starting with the G-500's, they went to selenium rectifiers. Otherwise, all the other tubes were cool running 1.5 volt filament types, whether locktal or miniature. The 8G's had the highest tube count (8). As far as under-chassis components are concerned, perhaps they moved from wax covered caps to molded plastic (black beauties) over that early time frame. If the concern were either heat/warpage and/or possible fire prevention, what caused them to use asbestos earlier, then discontinue using it -- whereby most of the 8G's and all later models (G-500, H-500 and (x)-600's) just have raw wood? In other words, they apparently stopped using it in/around 1948, but I don't see much difference in heat/fire factors between the models going forward. I doubt if the hazards of asbestos were identified by then -- or were they? Barry Article: 337381 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jtoth624@gmail.com Subject: FA: VINTAGE IMPERIAL PARTY-TIME SOLID STATE RECORD PLAYER Date: 14 Jul 2006 03:15:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1152872139.997155.177840@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> http://tinyurl.com/pgyvg Article: 337382 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <1152802431.447484.95110@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: potentiometers Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:44:37 GMT Shoot mark Oppat an email, moppat at comcast dot net. He has a huge inventory of pots and can probably fix you up with whatever you need. Larry Fowkes "kb8xi" wrote in message news:1152802431.447484.95110@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > I have an older (1937) table model Philco, with a bad volume pot. Is > there a good way to restore this item. Getting the proper replacement, > with the center tap, may be difficult. > Article: 337383 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <1152802431.447484.95110@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: potentiometers Message-ID: <1CKtg.171853$F_3.160213@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:46:21 GMT Oops, guess I should read the replys before posting. "Larry Fowkes" wrote in message news:pAKtg.171852$F_3.131350@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > Shoot mark Oppat an email, moppat at comcast dot net. He has a huge > inventory of pots and can probably fix you up with whatever you need. > > Larry Fowkes > > > "kb8xi" wrote in message > news:1152802431.447484.95110@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > I have an older (1937) table model Philco, with a bad volume pot. Is > > there a good way to restore this item. Getting the proper replacement, > > with the center tap, may be difficult. > > > > Article: 337384 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 14 Jul 2006 04:41:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1152877276.351298.248240@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Now, now, it wasn't pointless. It showed that some white trash could > move into a cheap track house, and just how pathetic an ex jock could > become. >Central Florida And made millionaires out of a bunch of 5th-rate actors... if they were intelligent enough to hold onto it. Just like our politicians, we get exactly the television we deserve. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337385 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: asbestos in Emerson....remove it? Date: 14 Jul 2006 05:29:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1152880147.673613.278350@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152819116.743349.326240@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> barryh wrote: I doubt if the > hazards of asbestos were identified by then -- or were they? > > Barry "White Lung Disease" has been known and indentified for as long as asbestos has been mined. The secondary effects started to be noticed and identified shortly after WW-I, and more specifically after WW-II, and in the 50s first amongst construction workers spraying fire-proofing on steel buildings. So, yes, they were. Did that concern drill down to the consumer level? Not hardly as one could still purchase asbestos-based furnace-cement OTC at any hardware store into the 70s. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337386 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Smokey" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:29:57 -0500 Message-ID: <12bf6u2jkcfg287@corp.supernews.com> References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Too bad Steph Weil's legitimate question gets bombarded with so many frivolous and inane answers. Everyone's a comedian. After reading the stupid replies I wonder how could their author's possibly call "All In The Family" "pointless." Clearly the respondents have no idea what is "pointless" and what is valid. Sorry, Steph...your genuine question brought out the morons and few who can help. Smokey P.S. By the way, scholars consider "Married With Children" a "social satire" much like "All In The Family." Certainly not up to the high standards of the esteemed respondents to this thread. Perhaps they're happier now with their survival shows and phoney "idol" contests. "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message news:1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > http://www.albundy.net/episodes/season_5/02/5020001.jpg > > Shown in an episode of the old "Married With Children" sit-com. > > Minutes after that shot, it gets destroyed by Al Bundy with a basebal > bat. > > Anyone recognize this thing, or was it just a cardboard prop? > > -- > Steph Weil > New York > Article: 337387 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 14 Jul 2006 06:28:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1152883733.803656.230820@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: . > > Like they say, laughter is the best medicine! No problem with that. The comment was generic vs. judgemental... really. H.L. Menken applies: Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337388 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44B68AED.8A2DE169@earthlink.net> <1152877276.351298.248240@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44B797B8.CD6CB9AB@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:30:40 -0700 Message-ID: > Just like our politicians, we get exactly the television we deserve. I'm not sure who "we" are, but plenty of terrific TV series (Brisco County, The Tick) have been dropped because the audience was (perceived) not to be large enough, or the demographics were wrong. > Come on, Peter. Not everyone wants ballet and opera on TV, or even > sports. Sometimes you need really stupid TV to let you forget what a > bastard of a day you just had, and you can thank God that you weren't > part of the Bundy clan. The dog was the smartest character on the show, > and the rest of the characters couldn't scrape together 100 IQ points > total, even if it was an open book test. It was intended to be mindless > escapism, and when you put that up against countless lawyer and > medical drama TV show clones, it was the only reason to turn the TV > on some nights. I disagree. I watched two episodes of "Married... With Children" and was impressed with the sharpness of the writing and the show's overall nastiness. I would not consider it mindless. Article: 337389 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 14 Jul 2006 08:22:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1152890558.345301.54780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Stephanie Weil wrote: > http://www.albundy.net/episodes/season_5/02/5020001.jpg > > Shown in an episode of the old "Married With Children" sit-com. > > Minutes after that shot, it gets destroyed by Al Bundy with a basebal > bat. > > Anyone recognize this thing, or was it just a cardboard prop? > > -- > Steph Weil > New York POS (Piece Of Shxt) radio. Bundy should have used something much larger to destroy it. Article: 337390 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Compare shipping carriers around the World Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:52:29 -0500 Message-ID: <26664-44B7BDBD-1141@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> www.redroller.com/shippingcarrier cuhulin Article: 337391 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: Compare shipping carriers around the World Date: 14 Jul 2006 09:13:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1152893582.742068.210610@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <26664-44B7BDBD-1141@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > www.redroller.com/shippingcarrier > cuhulin Thank you! Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337392 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Compare shipping carriers around the World References: <26664-44B7BDBD-1141@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:26:47 -0400 This url doesn't work for me??? Cannot find. Ken cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > www.redroller.com/shippingcarrier > cuhulin > Article: 337393 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:26:23 -0500 Message-ID: <26665-44B7C5AF-232@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: <12be1qjhugao217@corp.supernews.com> I own an old Bogalusa wind up phonograph.I think it dates back to before World War Two,certainly not much later than that.I guess I hope it is the only one in existence in the World.That would make it rare as hens teeth. cuhulin Article: 337394 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:45:36 -0600 Message-ID: <12807-44B7CA30-1606@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152890558.345301.54780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I agree the radio was some sort of cheap made thing .. but hay it was nicer than that couch . About the M.W.Children show and other shows like it . I see many ``guys , males`` that cant do comedy or are serious all the time who cant sit down and enjoy silliness , comedy .. to much millitary ? Its ok but to bad . I watched that show and its reruns many times . It was funny and fun . I see a new FOX show coming called ``Till death`` that reminds me of M.W.C. it looks like it will be fun too . Article: 337395 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gerald D. Pine" Subject: Stewart-Warner nightstand (french commode style??) cabinet for 1105 or 1154 chassis Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:14:13 -0700 Message-ID: Thought I'd posted this before, but don't see my post, so here goes again. I picked up a cabinet that has had a Stewart-Warner radio in it at one time and now is empty. Still has nice wooden radio face, metal escutcheon and grill cloth (hole in one side). What I'd like to do is to reunite the cabinet and an orphan chassis that someone else has. I know it's a long shot, but just in case ... The cabinet is the size and form factor of a night stand with a fold down front that covers the radio face and two drawers below the radio. I'm only guessing as to the model based on descriptions in the fifth edition of the "Collectors Guide to Antique Radios" by John Slusser et al. The cabinet description seems a good match to Stewart-Warner models 1105 and 1154. Unfortunately, there are no pictures for these models, so I could be way off. But I haven't found any other models that sound even close to the cabinet description. Here's the deal. If there's anyone out there who happens to have or to run into a chassis without a cabinet or a chassis with a hopeless cabinet for one of these models, I'd love to either acquire the chassis or to let someone else acquire the cabinet to make a complete unit. My cabinet is not perfect, but I'd say it's in generally good condition. Let me know if you happen to have one of these chassis that needs a cabinet. Gerald -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337396 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Attention Eastern Ohio Philco Phanatics Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:47:49 -0400 Message-ID: <12bfm67bk8ai306@corp.supernews.com> Erie/Cleveland area, I've camped near here on cross country trips- http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-PHILCO-TUBE-RADIO-MODEL-16B-60-NEEDS-HELP_W0QQitemZ160007185060QQihZ006 John H. Article: 337397 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: 14 Jul 2006 10:59:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> I bought a Radio Craftsmen 800 FM/AM tubed tuner/preamp form *bay (item #200002314647). It arrived today in an undersized apple box with no cushion on the bottom, no cushion on the face, and some newspaper stuffed around the sides. The face was right against the box and and the back had an L bracket that was pushed thru the box. So far I don't see any shipping damage, but I don't know how. At least the chrome looks like it will mostly polish clean. I intend to use the FM tuner with my Capehart console. I may take the tuner out of its cabinet and show off the chrome. On a happier related note, Syl's rebuilt cartridge arrived today. Can't wait to try it on the Capehart. Article: 337398 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Attention Eastern Ohio Philco Phanatics Date: 14 Jul 2006 11:02:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1152900144.667790.290040@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <12bfm67bk8ai306@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > Erie/Cleveland area, I've camped near here on cross country trips- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-PHILCO-TUBE-RADIO-MODEL-16B-60-NEEDS-HELP_W0QQitemZ160007185060QQihZ006 > > John H. I can understand why he doesn't want to ship it. I've wanted to sell my 16B but every time I think about shipping it I change my mind. Probably 3 boxes to do it right. Article: 337399 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: Attention Eastern Ohio Philco Phanatics Date: 14 Jul 2006 12:25:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1152905111.068312.263110@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <12bfm67bk8ai306@corp.supernews.com> AuroraOldRadios wrote: > Hagstar wrote: > > Erie/Cleveland area, I've camped near here on cross country trips- > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-PHILCO-TUBE-RADIO-MODEL-16B-60-NEEDS-HELP_W0QQitemZ160007185060QQihZ006 > > > > John H. > I can understand why he doesn't want to ship it. I've wanted to sell my > 16B but every time I think about shipping it I change my mind. Probably > 3 boxes to do it right. Four. Chassis doubled. Speaker in a single box, well padded. Cabinet doubled. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337400 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: 14 Jul 2006 12:31:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1152905493.928247.287640@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> AuroraOldRadios wrote: > I bought a Radio Craftsmen 800 FM/AM tubed tuner/preamp form *bay (item > #200002314647). It arrived today in an undersized apple box with no > cushion on the bottom, no cushion on the face, and some newspaper > stuffed around the sides. The face was right against the box and and > the back had an L bracket that was pushed thru the box. So far I don't > see any shipping damage, but I don't know how. At least the chrome > looks like it will mostly polish clean. Yeah, sometimes I buy stuff that happens to arrive with no damage despite incompetent packing too. For better or worse, sometimes the sellers really do believe that a box full of peanuts is appropriate packaging for something with a dozen tubes and some really heavy power transformers on a sheet metal chassis. Best case, the chassis gets bent up and a couple tubes broke. Worst case, the chassis manages to eat a hole in the side of the box and the box arrives empty (despite the fact that I paid for 30 or 40 or more pounds of shipping!) > I intend to use the FM tuner with my Capehart console. I may take the > tuner out of its cabinet and show off the chrome. On a happier related > note, Syl's rebuilt cartridge arrived today. Can't wait to try it on > the Capehart. Cool! Tim. Article: 337401 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: nospam_deepsea_77@yahoo.com (Space Charge) Subject: Re: Zenith 7S633R Transformer Replacement-Correction! Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:51:53 GMT Message-ID: <44b7f467.17687448@news1.news.adelphia.net> References: <44b2e31c.13262388@news1.news.adelphia.net> Folks, Those specs SHOULD have read: >275-0-275 @ 65ma >Secondary #1: 6.3V@.6A (NOT 65ma!) >Secondary #2: 6.3V@2.5A Looks like I just retyped the HV secondary current rating for secondary #1 in the original post. This is what you get for posting with a bad head cold! Sorry about that! :( -Lin/KJ6EF ==================== On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:45:01 GMT, nospam_deepsea_77@yahoo.com (Space Charge) wrote: >Have a 7S633R with a fried power xformer...I was thinking of trying an >off-the-shelf Hammond from AES, their P/N P-T270CX. > >It's got two 6V secondaries, & each seems to be rated about right for >the 6X5 rectifer, as well as having enough current capacity for the >pilot lights/tube string: > >275-0-275 @ 65ma >Secondary #1: 6.3V@65ma >Secondary #2: 6.3V@2.5A > >...but I'd like something just a bit beefier, if it exists. The cooler >it runs, the better. (But, maybe this will do.) > >Anyone have a better suggestion for a Hammond (or other) transformer >for the purpose? > >Thanks to the group in advance, > >Lin/KJ6EF >For email responses, remove "nospam_". For email responses, remove "nospam_". Article: 337402 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12bfm67bk8ai306@corp.supernews.com> <1152900144.667790.290040@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152905111.068312.263110@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Attention Eastern Ohio Philco Phanatics Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:11:18 -0400 Message-ID: Best of all... 4-5 layers of LARGE (1/2" high) bubble wrap. Boxed once is fine, but ship it assembled via Greyhound Bus. This is the ONLY way to ship larger table radios or consoles outside of a custom shipper. I have done it many times and it always works great. You and your customer must be near a bus station, however. Mark Oppat "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1152905111.068312.263110@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > AuroraOldRadios wrote: > > Hagstar wrote: > > > Erie/Cleveland area, I've camped near here on cross country trips- > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-PHILCO-TUBE-RADIO-MODEL-16B-60-NEEDS-HELP_W0QQitemZ160007185060QQihZ006 > > > > > > John H. > > I can understand why he doesn't want to ship it. I've wanted to sell my > > 16B but every time I think about shipping it I change my mind. Probably > > 3 boxes to do it right. > > Four. Chassis doubled. Speaker in a single box, well padded. Cabinet > doubled. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > > Article: 337403 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: <1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:08:44 GMT AuroraOldRadios wrote: > I bought a Radio Craftsmen 800 FM/AM tubed tuner/preamp form *bay > (item #200002314647). It arrived today in an undersized apple box > with no cushion on the bottom, no cushion on the face, and some > newspaper stuffed around the sides. The face was right against the > box and and the back had an L bracket that was pushed thru the box. > So far I don't see any shipping damage, but I don't know how. At > least the chrome looks like it will mostly polish clean. > I intend to use the FM tuner with my Capehart console. I may take the > tuner out of its cabinet and show off the chrome. On a happier related > note, Syl's rebuilt cartridge arrived today. Can't wait to try it on > the Capehart. I've the same tuner, arrived here in Italy in perfect shape, fantastic chrome too, just a bit of dust, easy work. Once re-tubed and a couple of new caps and a new eye it started sounding great. Mine is connected to a PP6L6 30W amplifier, wonderful listening. Nice piece! -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 337404 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: manyrumours@lycos.com Subject: Re: Stewart-Warner nightstand (french commode style??) cabinet for 1105 or 1154 chassis Date: 14 Jul 2006 14:31:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1152912690.250294.272850@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Gerald D. Pine wrote: > Thought I'd posted this before, but don't see my post, so here goes again. > I picked up a cabinet that has had a Stewart-Warner radio in it at one > time and now is empty. Still has nice wooden radio face, metal > escutcheon and grill cloth (hole in one side). What I'd like to do is to > reunite the cabinet and an orphan chassis that someone else has. I know > it's a long shot, but just in case ... > > The cabinet is the size and form factor of a night stand with a fold down > front that covers the radio face and two drawers below the radio. I'm > only guessing as to the model based on descriptions in the fifth edition > of the "Collectors Guide to Antique Radios" by John Slusser et al. The > cabinet description seems a good match to Stewart-Warner models 1105 and > 1154. Unfortunately, there are no pictures for these models, so I could > be way off. But I haven't found any other models that sound even close to > the cabinet description. > > Here's the deal. If there's anyone out there who happens to have or to > run into a chassis without a cabinet or a chassis with a hopeless cabinet > for one of these models, I'd love to either acquire the chassis or to let > someone else acquire the cabinet to make a complete unit. My cabinet is > not perfect, but I'd say it's in generally good condition. > > Let me know if you happen to have one of these chassis that needs a > cabinet. > > Gerald What has this got to do with an old fashioned toilet with the overhead tank? (Unless it falls on your head when you tune the "tank") Anyway, nice find and good luck (I've only seen one Atwater Kent in my life and mostly post '36 stuff). Steven (alert the usual killjoy--killFILERS) > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337405 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: manyrumours@lycos.com Subject: Re: Vast vintage radio collection & tubes, Roseburg, OR Date: 14 Jul 2006 14:43:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1152913380.537030.263090@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: graham wrote: > Not mine, nor do I know the seller, just came across it ... > > http://portland.craigslist.org/clt/181295757.html So, did you buy the lot already? Thanks for teasin' all the po' folk. Article: 337406 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: manyrumours@lycos.com Subject: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 14 Jul 2006 14:45:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Do your thang and don't bitch to me. Garcias, Steven bye Article: 337407 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <_NVtg.3952$ZH1.3832@bignews4.bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:31:28 -0500 jim menning wrote: > "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message > news:1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> http://www.albundy.net/episodes/season_5/02/5020001.jpg >> >> Shown in an episode of the old "Married With Children" sit-com. >> >> Minutes after that shot, it gets destroyed by Al Bundy with a basebal >> bat. >> >> Anyone recognize this thing, or was it just a cardboard prop? >> > > > Why construct a prop when a cheap radio like that one will do? Looks like your > typical $14.99 drug store radio. > > jim menning > > > One reason might be repeated takes would be difficult if you destroy the prop every time. OTOH, if the prop is cheap, they might buy more than one in anticipation. From babushka{AT}dom{DOT}com Sat Jul 15 10:00:53 EDT 2006 Article: 337408 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:25:38 -0500 From: "Bob" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono References: <44B01C21.E37EC970@earthlink.net> <44B1C133.8D85C95E@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: More sensitivity? 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Terrell" wrote in message news:44B1C133.8D85C95E@earthlink.net... > Bob wrote: >> >> If the radio is selective at the higher end of the band (ie...1400 to >> 1600), >> but is not so selective at the lower end (ie...560 - 1000), is there >> something that can be done to improve this radio? > > > Is it properly aligned, or was it just done "By Ear"? BTW, Please do > not top post. > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It was not aligned "by ear". Article: 337409 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Moses Subject: FA Victor Talking Mach 78 rpm records Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:38:29 -0500 Message-ID: <12bge84ji8jpp02@corp.supernews.com> A fine set of 78 rpm records in a collectors album. 6 records total http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220007502216 Article: 337410 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Compare shipping carriers around the World Date: 14 Jul 2006 19:07:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1152929235.631406.171710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <26664-44B7BDBD-1141@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> I tried it and it seems very picky about the locations; for example it would not accept "Missoula Montana" or "Kamloops, BC" as shipping or destination points. Neil S. cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > www.redroller.com/shippingcarrier > cuhulin Article: 337411 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: progress on the frankenzenith Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:11:48 GMT So I finally had a chance to do a bit of work on this. I had several helpful replies from people open but then stupid Windows Update rebooted my computer when I wasn't here so I lost them. Anyhow here's where I am so far: The chassis is marked R184364, it's a 7 tube shutterdial. All tubes are present but not all are good. The 5Y4G tests fine, it's a the ST style so it'll get left alone. The socket marked 6F6G has a 6V6 in it, this tube tested very weak. Are those two compatible? I picked up a cheap 6V6G on ebay which is good before I noticed what the socket was labeled. 6A8G, this tested weak at first but then popped up to full. The cap on the top had broken off but I soldered the wire to it and glued it back on. Seems to be in good working order now. 6F5G, this has a metal 6F5 in it, tests good, I'd like to change it at some point to an ST style tube. 6K7G, has a metal 6K7 with shorts, need to replace it. 6H6G, has a metal 6H6 which tests good, lower priority replacement Someone said something about a leaky capacitor on pin 5 of one of the tubes, which one was it and how do I locate pin 5? Seems there were originally metal shields around two of the tubes, they're both missing, anyone got any spares or will I have to try to fab my own at some point? Are they critical to operation? The brass pointer is broken off, anyone have suggestions on repairing or finding a replacement? Is it solid brass or some other metal that's plated? The smaller white pointer is gone too, if I look behind the front portion of the dial I can see a stub on the shaft, was that originally one piece or did it have a separate pointer that slipped on it? I'm thinking I can probably cut off a piece of a clock second hand and attach it but I'd like it to be as original as possible. Dial glass is missing, someone said the one from Antique Electronic supply doesn't fit, someone else said it does. Which is the case? Where can I get one that fits correctly? Article: 337412 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:35:39 -0700 Message-ID: <9tCdnYgZtIcTySXZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com> I have said this 100 times, but here goes again. I don't buy ANY used item that could be damaged in shipping unless I get the seller's agreement BEFOREHAND to pack and ship it the way that I want. If they won't agree, no deal; there's plenty of other stuff for sale. After one or two shipping heartbreaks, you will understand this precaution. Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337413 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philsvintageradios" Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: 14 Jul 2006 19:49:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1152931744.264268.70220@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: how did he plan to get the ship to the ocean. It was built in Saskatchewan? My geography is terrible , no question, but isn't saskatcewan a long way from the ocean and Finland? Phil Gordon Richmond wrote: > > I see some rectifiers of various types, some light bulbs, a couple of coils, a > >magnet, a rheostat, and maybe even a tube. Maybe a power supply with multiply > >redundant rectifiers for those critical applications ;) Ebay item 320005998272 > > > > Would be cool as a Haunted Lab Halloween display, static of course. > > Quote from the auction page: "Sold As IS and it does not work and it has not been > tested." > > Clearly, the power cord is missing. It probably got tangled about the builder's ankle as > he was being abducted by space aliens. > > Folk art, theatrical prop, or an actual attempt by some ah, "eccentric" individual to > build a radio or a time machine, or ??? > > If ever you get the opportunity to visit Saskatchewan, a must-see is the Sukanen Ship > Museum just south of Moose Jaw. The ship in question is a vessel built by one Tom Sukanen, > a Finn who came to Saskatchewan by way of Minnesota. Beset by a series of personal > tragedies, he decided he should build himself a ship and sail back to Finland. So he built > a large boat hull with a deep keel, and equipped it with steam engines of his own making. > I saw the remains of one engine. The cylinder was made of a sheet of iron, hot-rolled into > a crude cylinder, with a riveted seam. The crankshaft had no bearings on it. More a > caricature of an engine, than an honest attempt to build a functional engine; I'd liken it > to the airplanes built by cargo cults in New Guinea. Poor Tom Sukanen ended his days in a > hospital for the insane, and there is no doubt he was quite mad. But he was also quite a > worker and inventor. The ship remains as a kind of monument to a dream. > > To keep on topic, the museum also incorporates a pioneer village, complete with a circa > 1930s radio shop. Also, the Western Development Museum in the city of Moose Jaw has a nice > collection of radios. > > Gordon Richmond Article: 337414 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "graham" References: <1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <9tCdnYgZtIcTySXZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com> Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:04:42 -0700 Message-ID: "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:9tCdnYgZtIcTySXZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com... >I have said this 100 times, but here goes again. > > I don't buy ANY used item that could be damaged in shipping unless I get the > seller's agreement BEFOREHAND to pack and ship it the way that I want. If they > won't agree, no deal; there's plenty of other stuff for sale. .... on the flip side, I have rejected the buyer's packing requests because they where not good enough ... I suggested better alternatives, based on prior experience, because of the added cost, they never bid .... go figure ... Article: 337415 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:59:13 -0700 Message-ID: <22925-44B85A01-816@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: James wrote, >Someone said something about a leaky >capacitor on pin 5 of one of the tubes, >which one was it and how do I locate pin >5? That's the control grid (G1) the AF output, the 6F6. The pins are counted clockwise beginning from the keying flange. The 6V6 will work OK there. In fact it draws a slightly lower heater current (450ma vs. 700ma) so it's a little bit easier on the power tranny. Zeniths are noted for having marginally-rated power trannys, which may or may not be true of this particular set. Here's a couple of tube database sites that you'll find perpetually useful =96 www.nj7p.org/Tube.php www.nostalgiaair.org/Tubes/ =96 well worth bookmarking now that you are an official old radio guy. :-) Bill(oc) Article: 337416 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <7956-44B85BE1-1454@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152905493.928247.287640@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> A woman next door to me used to work for FedEx.She said she once saw a fork lift blades run right through a box which had a computer monitor in the box. cuhulin Article: 337417 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Compare shipping carriers around the World Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:16:53 -0500 Message-ID: <7956-44B85E25-1455@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152929235.631406.171710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> I saw the website at my today's Show Daily News free email newsletters I get from www.kimkomando.com Why the website is picky,I do not know. cuhulin Article: 337418 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philsvintageradios" Subject: interesting piece of... Date: 14 Jul 2006 20:30:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1152934224.411599.236590@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> This guy with an auto mechanics shop down the street called me up and gave me this record cutter today It is in a big suitcase. it was sitting in his mechanics shop for who knows how long, so it is well , "less than pristene" he said it used to work , someone lost the needles, then he plugged it in one day and "let the smoke out" It is made by Meissner . called a Phono recorder. model 9-1065 it has two tone arms, one for recording, one for playback, and it is a radio too. I guess the needle for playback lasted , it is a cartridge , but the one to cut records is some sort of replacable needle, and that is missing. it says "ASTATIC X-26 CRYSTAL" on the bottom of the recording tonearm. It has two inputs, two volume controls? and a switch for gain , a tone control , and two lamps ( neon lamps maybe?) for "normal" and "overload". It's seven tubes all can be pulled from the top, there is a little trough where they all fit so it doesn't need to come apart to access the tubes. any idea where I would get a needle? would a phono needle work? and what could I use to make records now that the blanks are non existant? can I check if the tonearms are any good before I invest anything into this? did I want one of these? on a related note, I noticed the other day that someone is making new record cutters and selling them on ebay. these ones supposedly use cd's as the recording medium. interesting idea I guess.. Phil Article: 337419 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Diy?? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <7956-44B86001-1456@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: <5J7tg.14192$MF6.2880@tornado.socal.rr.com> Those things he is building,they all look good to me.That plasma tweeter looks sort of an old peanut vending machine that I own. cuhulin Article: 337420 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <1152931744.264268.70220@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: A real whatzit Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:27:01 -0500 "philsvintageradios" wrote in message news:1152931744.264268.70220@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > how did he plan to get the ship to the ocean. It was built in > Saskatchewan? > My geography is terrible , no question, but isn't saskatcewan a long > way from the ocean and Finland? > > Phil > > > If ever you get the opportunity to visit Saskatchewan, a must-see is the Sukanen Ship > > Museum just south of Moose Jaw. The ship in question is a vessel built by one Tom Sukanen, > > a Finn who came to Saskatchewan by way of Minnesota. Beset by a series of personal > > tragedies, he decided he should build himself a ship and sail back to Finland. So he built > > a large boat hull with a deep keel, and equipped it with steam engines of his own making. > > I saw the remains of one engine. The cylinder was made of a sheet of iron, hot-rolled into > > a crude cylinder, with a riveted seam. The crankshaft had no bearings on it. More a > > caricature of an engine, than an honest attempt to build a functional engine; I'd liken it > > to the airplanes built by cargo cults in New Guinea. Poor Tom Sukanen ended his days in a > > hospital for the insane, and there is no doubt he was quite mad. But he was also quite a > > worker and inventor. The ship remains as a kind of monument to a dream. > > > > To keep on topic, the museum also incorporates a pioneer village, complete with a circa > > 1930s radio shop. Also, the Western Development Museum in the city of Moose Jaw has a nice > > collection of radios. > > > > Gordon Richmond > Phil, You *know* Saskatchewan is in the middle of the fershlugginer continent. :>) The nearest water is probably Old Wives' Lake south or maybe southwest of Moose Jaw... my Dad used to take me down there to hunt rabbits. (Cooey single-shot with iron sights... 14 year old boy... forget it. No rabbits were harmed in that exercise!) It would have to be one of those "magnificent obsessions", like the jilted Scotsman who built a log castle (!) in the wilds of northern Ontario. Radio content: While roaming rabbit country, we came across some of what I call "clean dumps" where farmers threw everything that quit working. I found a number of twenties and thirties radio chassis' in those dumps, in surprisingly clean and good condition. Took them home, too, but what did a 14 year old boy know about them and how to restore them? Cheers Nelson Article: 337421 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: 15 Jul 2006 03:42:35 GMT Message-ID: References: <1152931744.264268.70220@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "philsvintageradios" (philsvintageradios@yahoo.ca) writes: > how did he plan to get the ship to the ocean. It was built in > Saskatchewan? > My geography is terrible , no question, but isn't saskatcewan a long > way from the ocean and Finland? > > Phil > I think that was the key part of the story, that he made the boat but had no chance of ever being able to make use of it. Sort of like building a boat in your basement, and then realizing you can't get it out, only on a far grander scale. Michael > Gordon Richmond wrote: >> > I see some rectifiers of various types, some light bulbs, a couple of coils, a >> >magnet, a rheostat, and maybe even a tube. Maybe a power supply with multiply >> >redundant rectifiers for those critical applications ;) Ebay item 320005998272 >> > >> > Would be cool as a Haunted Lab Halloween display, static of course. >> >> Quote from the auction page: "Sold As IS and it does not work and it has not been >> tested." >> >> Clearly, the power cord is missing. It probably got tangled about the builder's ankle as >> he was being abducted by space aliens. >> >> Folk art, theatrical prop, or an actual attempt by some ah, "eccentric" individual to >> build a radio or a time machine, or ??? >> >> If ever you get the opportunity to visit Saskatchewan, a must-see is the Sukanen Ship >> Museum just south of Moose Jaw. The ship in question is a vessel built by one Tom Sukanen, >> a Finn who came to Saskatchewan by way of Minnesota. Beset by a series of personal >> tragedies, he decided he should build himself a ship and sail back to Finland. So he built >> a large boat hull with a deep keel, and equipped it with steam engines of his own making. >> I saw the remains of one engine. The cylinder was made of a sheet of iron, hot-rolled into >> a crude cylinder, with a riveted seam. The crankshaft had no bearings on it. More a >> caricature of an engine, than an honest attempt to build a functional engine; I'd liken it >> to the airplanes built by cargo cults in New Guinea. Poor Tom Sukanen ended his days in a >> hospital for the insane, and there is no doubt he was quite mad. But he was also quite a >> worker and inventor. The ship remains as a kind of monument to a dream. >> >> To keep on topic, the museum also incorporates a pioneer village, complete with a circa >> 1930s radio shop. Also, the Western Development Museum in the city of Moose Jaw has a nice >> collection of radios. >> >> Gordon Richmond > Article: 337422 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" Subject: Plug-in coils avbl Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:46:21 -0500 Folks, I came into possession of a number of plug-in coil forms, bakelite, mostly four pins, one six pin, and a couple of five pins, I think Coil forms are about two inches tall by 1 1/4 inch diameter. There's also a large one with four banana pins arranged with three, then a space, then one. It's about 2 inches dia. and maybe 1 1/4 inch winding area, on a open coil form. Bottom line, if you can use any of these, shoot me an email and we'll work out some kind of swap or something. Most of these, you'll want to rewind. Cheers, Nelson Article: 337423 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Whoever Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact References: <1152905493.928247.287640@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <7956-44B85BE1-1454@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:53:15 GMT cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > A woman next door to me used to work for FedEx.She said she once saw a > fork lift blades run right through a box which had a computer monitor in > the box. > cuhulin > Oh, you should've seen the box I got a few months ago. I wasn't an old radio, but it was an electronic item purchased off eBay. Fedex dropped it off (no signature). Part of the box bottom had come undone so there were peanuts leaking out. When I opened it, there was the most amazing collection of packing materials inside! The item itself was wrapped up in several of those tote-type paper shopping bags that looked like they came from a clothing store. And that was surrounded by a mixture of: several styles and colors of styrofoam peanuts; crumpled and shredded newspaper; wadded plastic grocery bags; pieces of a broken styrofoam sheet; and small sheets of bubble wrap. The most unusual find was that of several copies of purchase-order invoices for silverware at $100 a pop (these were mixed in w/ the packing)! Oh yeah, the item was in perfect working order when I got it out of that mess! Article: 337424 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: Subject: Re: Plug-in coils avbl Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: <44b86965$0$3630$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Nelson Gietz" wrote in message news:FyZtg.60475$wJ1.23743@newsfe13.lga... > Folks, > I came into possession of a number of plug-in coil forms, bakelite, > mostly four pins, one six pin, and a couple of five pins, I think > Coil forms are about two inches tall by 1 1/4 inch diameter. > There's also a large one with four banana pins arranged with three, > then a space, then one. It's about 2 inches dia. and maybe 1 1/4 inch > winding area, on a open coil form. > Bottom line, if you can use any of these, shoot me an email and > we'll work out some kind of swap or something. > Most of these, you'll want to rewind. > Cheers, > Nelson > Sounds like some stuff out of the ole ARC 5 type sets. I used to have a bunch of em - sold them moons ago. Article: 337425 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith References: <22925-44B85A01-816@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 04:13:24 GMT > > That's the control grid (G1) the AF output, the 6F6. The pins are > counted clockwise beginning from the keying flange. > The 6V6 will work OK there. In fact it draws a slightly > lower heater current (450ma vs. 700ma) so it's a little bit easier on > the power tranny. Zeniths are noted for having marginally-rated power > trannys, which may or may not be true of this particular set. > Here's a couple of tube database sites that you'll find > perpetually useful – www.nj7p.org/Tube.php > www.nostalgiaair.org/Tubes/ – well worth bookmarking now that you are > an official old radio guy. :-) > > Thanks, so clockwise looking up at the base of the tube, or looking down at the socket? By work "OK" do you mean it's acceptable but not ideal, or should the thing sound about the same? Hopefully whoever it was who said they had tubes will see this and get back to me as I lost the original post. Article: 337426 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: 14 Jul 2006 21:33:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1152938013.703213.217080@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: James Sweet wrote: > Thanks, so clockwise looking up at the base of the tube, or looking down > at the socket? Looking up at the base of the tube from underneath > By work "OK" do you mean it's acceptable but not ideal, or should the > thing sound about the same? You'll never notice the difference. It'll sound great. > Hopefully whoever it was who said they had tubes will see this and get > back to me as I lost the original post. That was probably Mark. moppat at comcast dot net or www.oldradioparts.net. Your entire original thread is here: http://tinyurl.com/nw2tf paul Article: 337428 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DaveW Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:13:06 GMT Scott W. Harvey wrote: > Stephanie Weil wrote: >> http://www.albundy.net/episodes/season_5/02/5020001.jpg >> >> Shown in an episode of the old "Married With Children" sit-com. >> >> Minutes after that shot, it gets destroyed by Al Bundy with a basebal >> bat. >> >> Anyone recognize this thing, or was it just a cardboard prop? >> >> -- >> Steph Weil >> New York >> > Genuine radio, Sears Roebuck, early to mid-1980s. Probably manufactured > for sears by Sanyo. > > "Married with Children" was the first show ever aired on Fox, and its > only genuine hit for a long, long time. It ran longer on that network > than any other show except "The Simpsons" and "America's Most Wanted". > > It's a sleazy, pointless show, but compared to the crap that Fox runs > now, it is high art. > > -Scott > The radio was crap. The show broke a lot of new ground though. Most of the new ground was in the area of how much sexual innuendo could be put on broadcast television, which has its merits and demerits. It also broke ground in the impossibility area with a family of 4 living in suburbia on the salary of a shoe salesman, never anything in the house to eat, the house being basically destroyed several times a season, etc. Malcolm in the Middle, South Park (now on broadcast TV) and many, many others that came later owe a lot to good old Al Bundy and the clan. It certainly has its moments in raw, completely unpretentious humor. Regards, DAve Article: 337429 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Message-ID: References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:14:40 -0400 will do ......manyfatass! On 14 Jul 2006 14:45:01 -0700, manyrumours@lycos.com wrote: >Do your thang and don't bitch to me. > >Garcias, > >Steven > >bye __________________________________________________________ KE4ODD Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to prove it. *Used with express written permission of its creator. Article: 337430 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: A real whatzit References: <1152931744.264268.70220@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:19:40 -0500 Gordon Richmond wrote: >> I think that was the key part of the story, that he made the boat but had >> no chance of ever being able to make use of it. Sort of like building a >> boat in your basement, and then realizing you can't get it out, only >> on a far grander scale. >> >> Michael > > Tom Sukanen was indeed a shipbuilder by trade back in Finland. I don't think there's any > doubt that his vessel would have been seaworthy. He planned to truck the ship (some 40-45 > feet in length, IIRC) to the South Sakatchewan River, which is not far from his place. I > doubt the river has a deep enough channel over its whole length to have floated this > vessel, but maybe he had soundings from the steamboat era. > > This ship project took him many years, and it would appear that as time passed, and his > mind deteriorated, more and more of the work he put into it was "just going through the > motions" rather than purposeful. Sad story. > > Time era was the '20s and '30s, BTW. Tom died in 1940-something. I dare say one could do a > Google search. > > Gordon Richmond > Indeed you can. The first entry points to a site which contains a six minute video where all questions are answered...and many more evoked. Article: 337431 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <1152931744.264268.70220@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: A real whatzit Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:28:37 -0500 "Gordon Richmond" wrote in message news:kfsgb2husmm9qmts0ev9g308a0r6upr40g@4ax.com... > >I think that was the key part of the story, that he made the boat but had > >no chance of ever being able to make use of it. Sort of like building a > >boat in your basement, and then realizing you can't get it out, only > >on a far grander scale. > > > > Michael > > Tom Sukanen was indeed a shipbuilder by trade back in Finland. I don't think there's any > doubt that his vessel would have been seaworthy. He planned to truck the ship (some 40-45 > feet in length, IIRC) to the South Sakatchewan River, which is not far >from his place. I > doubt the river has a deep enough channel over its whole length to have floated this > vessel, but maybe he had soundings from the steamboat era. > > This ship project took him many years, and it would appear that as time passed, and his > mind deteriorated, more and more of the work he put into it was "just going through the > motions" rather than purposeful. Sad story. > > Time era was the '20s and '30s, BTW. Tom died in 1940-something. I dare say one could do a > Google search. > > Gordon Richmond Good idea, Gordon. I came up with http://www.sukanenmuseum.ca/tomi/tomi1.html ...a heartbreaking/warming story. Nelson Article: 337432 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Looking for Sparton 301 guts From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:52:37 GMT Looking for radios from Sparton 301 radios... would like to find two of them one... the USA version and the other the Canadian version ... not interested in cabinets.. just the chassis stuff and speakers... John k9uwa Article: 337433 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 14 Jul 2006 23:00:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1152943241.197989.139630@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Beerbarrel wrote: > will do ......manyfatass! Hello, Tracy! So you won't miss me while I'm missing you all tomorrow night. Be out with two girls! Have fun. > > > > On 14 Jul 2006 14:45:01 -0700, manyrumours@lycos.com wrote: > > >Do your thang and don't bitch to me. > > > >Garcias, > > > >Steven > > > >bye > > __________________________________________________________ > > KE4ODD > > Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to > prove it. > > > *Used with express written permission of its creator. Article: 337434 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: any of you californians going to this? Date: 15 Jul 2006 00:54:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1152950052.585356.164410@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <12be1qjhugao217@corp.supernews.com> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > I own an old Bogalusa wind up phonograph.I think it dates back to before > World War Two,certainly not much later than that.I guess I hope it is > the only one in existence in the World.That would make it rare as hens > teeth. > cuhulin Gosh, Glenn, are you gonna drive out to KRE with it? It's a mighty fine old building, and they did a marvelous job fixing it up to near it's former glory (the entry was removed years ago and was really unique and cool). You should read the pages on KRE in the CHRS website, as they are just excellent, as are the pictures of KPO/KGO and others I think I either saw or linked to while at the site. Article: 337435 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carroll Senn Subject: Re: Sound editing software Message-ID: References: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:19:32 GMT Adobe Audition, works for me On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 16:41:07 GMT, "Gary Tayman" wrote: >In the past we've talked somewhat about computer software for working >with/cleaning up old recordings. > >Personally I bought Sound Forge 5.0 several years ago and have used it >extensively for cutting/pasting/mixing audio. However one day I upgraded my >computer, and when I went to install the Sound Forge, it asked for my serial >number (which I could not find). So I did the next best thing -- I found a >bootleg copy and installed that (which happened to be version 7). > >All was well until today. Out of nowhere I got an error message stating >that I have to register online to continue using the mp3 plugin -- and it >pretty much locked up on me. So -- either there is a timeout on its use, or >else some type of spyware must have determined that I was using an >unregistered copy. Imagine, I'm unregistered, but I get continual e-mails >from Sony/Sound Forge about new products, from registering the FIRST time! > >The good news -- since that last time I've cleaned the shop, and have found >the "key" to the install. So once again I'm in business, albeit with >version 5. > >But all this raises my curiosity -- what other programs are out there that >you recommend? In my opinion, Sound Forge is great for cutting/editing, but >seems to be lacking when it comes to reducing noise or fixing other >abnormalities. Next time I update, it may be to something else -- or >something to complement this one. Carroll Senn Columbia, SC TO nut and general putz Article: 337436 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" Subject: Bill Turner's collection to be auctioned by Estes Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:24:39 GMT I found this on the Antique Radio Forum, I thought you guys might be interested. Ron ----------------------------------- There's a full page ad in the latest Electric Radio Magazine that the collection of William Turner is being auctioned off July 29th at the Expo Auction Center in Burbank, Ohio. I know it must be sad for Bill to give it up, but I realize it is because of his health reasons. I hope he gets satisfaction and decent amounts of money >from the auction. Looks like there are many, many nice items going on the block. For those who don't get ER, I imagine it would also be posted on the Estes Auction web site at www.estesauctions.com Article: 337437 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Bill Turner's collection to be auctioned by Estes Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:08:40 +0900 Message-ID: References: " Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:XIVtg.19953$so3.4660@southeast.rr.com... >I found this on the Antique Radio Forum, > I thought you guys might be interested. > > Ron > > ----------------------------------- > There's a full page ad in the latest Electric Radio Magazine that the > collection of William Turner is being auctioned off July 29th at the Expo > Auction Center in Burbank, Ohio. > > I know it must be sad for Bill to give it up, but I realize it is because > of > his health reasons. I hope he gets satisfaction and decent amounts of > money > from the auction. Looks like there are many, many nice items going on the > block. > > For those who don't get ER, I imagine it would also be posted on the Estes > Auction web site at www.estesauctions.com Too bad. Hope Bill is going to be OK. Giving up the hobby could be detrimental to him. Take care, Bill, and be well. Article: 337438 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: Bill Turner's collection to be auctioned by Estes Date: 15 Jul 2006 02:54:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1152957244.632489.239120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: It leaves me quiet as well. May all those things find loving hands. Article: 337439 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mort Denison" References: Subject: Re: Radiola RS binding post terminal cap, I HAVE THEM!! Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:22:25 -0400 Message-ID: Appreciate it, Ron. Sorry for the delay. I was 'enjoying' DC for a week. Article: 337440 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: Bill Turner's collection to be auctioned by Estes Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:17:28 -0500 Message-ID: <29047-44B8DCD8-1450@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152957244.632489.239120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> THANKS FOR THE GOOD WISHES. I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPLY THE PARTS AS BEFORE. MY LEFT HAND AND LEG ARE SOMEWHAT EFFECTED BUT I WILL CONTINUE MAKING THE THINGS A CAN. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337441 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mort Denison" References: <1152541510.680512.295650@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152572568.254720.145680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152586623.568092.212630@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Radiola RS binding post terminal cap needed Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:25:50 -0400 Message-ID: Sorry folks. About the time I posted the message, antiqueradios.com had a DNS problem. Their provider somehow screwed up the address without the 'www'. Caused much consternation for a day or so. Alan has it fixed now. And appreciate Ron having the part. Article: 337442 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Warren Weber" References: <1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:58:47 -0600 Message-ID: <3cSdnaFNh7UGnyTZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@bresnan.com> "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >I bought a Radio Craftsmen 800 FM/AM tubed tuner/preamp form *bay (item > #200002314647). It arrived today in an undersized apple box with no > cushion on the bottom, no cushion on the face, and some newspaper > stuffed around the sides. The face was right against the box and and > the back had an L bracket that was pushed thru the box. So far I don't > see any shipping damage, but I don't know how. At least the chrome > looks like it will mostly polish clean. > I intend to use the FM tuner with my Capehart console. I may take the > tuner out of its cabinet and show off the chrome. On a happier related > note, Syl's rebuilt cartridge arrived today. Can't wait to try it on > the Capehart. I sold 2 Ham receivers. Each weighed 55 pounds unboxed. The way I pack things is to bandsaw styrofoam to fit item in a snug box. Then foam around first box and install in another snug box. Everything gets done this way. Also I do not charge for this. Buyer expects item to arrive in good condition and thats the way I want to be. So I lose a little, so what. I sold 3 -16 guage 24 x28 stainless steel photo trays. Boxed in wood. UPS ran a fork lift into box And refused claim because of " poor boxing" They finally paid claim. WW Article: 337443 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Warren Weber" References: <26664-44B7BDBD-1141@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> <1152929235.631406.171710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Compare shipping carriers around the World Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:02:16 -0600 Message-ID: "nesesu" wrote in message news:1152929235.631406.171710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >I tried it and it seems very picky about the locations; for example it > would not accept "Missoula Montana" or "Kamloops, BC" as shipping or > destination points. > > Neil S. Neil.. Just put in Zip code instead of city. Works for me. Only thing, won't list all the (ways) USPS can send so I wen't back to USPS site. WW > > cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: >> www.redroller.com/shippingcarrier >> cuhulin > From babushka{AT}dom{DOT}com Mon Jul 17 22:40:34 EDT 2006 Article: 337444 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:07:24 -0500 From: "Bob" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono References: <44B01C21.E37EC970@earthlink.net> <44B1C133.8D85C95E@earthlink.net> <44B86CF9.E440976A@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: More sensitivity? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:07:24 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.162.7.235 X-Trace: sv3-SDZJ2uQsVT3CHcnW/UpGPW4WlJJA104QqXBxU3alKAAcxMdAfM7HArdX8hqOPzKsgxxD0EcixrX+RIU!46qbixC4WONJe7RRAQW7e+OLicjv0stYQ+8N48SRJnr7of3tsLwBq7tB9n2SPaRBpoqqX4gKbSUt!VxToppU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337444 "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44B86CF9.E440976A@earthlink.net... > Bob wrote: >> > >> It was not aligned "by ear". > > > Well, how was it aligned? Do I have to play 20 questions, or do you > really want help? > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida It was aligned with an RF generator, AC volt meter and a Howard Sams photofact. Unless I did something really wrong, the alignment seems OK at the high end of the band, but at the low end, the stations sort of run together around 720 and 670, with hardly any separation in between like it should be. Maybe this is the way the radio was designed? The stations have better separation at the high end of the bad. Thanks. Article: 337445 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: More sensitivity? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: <18314-44B90AAD-669@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: Bob: One question: During your alignment, did you reduce the generator output to the lowest possible level while peaking the I.F.s? If not, it's easy to "miss the peak" and end up with the IF bandwidth too wide. To get 'em 'on the peak', just tune in a weak station that's down in the grass and peak it by ear. Sometimes no more than an eighth of a turn on one or more of the IF trimmers is all it takes. Bill(oc) Article: 337446 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44b91511$0$31647$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: Bill Turner's collection to be auctioned by Estes References: <1152957244.632489.239120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <29047-44B8DCD8-1450@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Date: 15 Jul 2006 16:17:21 GMT Bill Turner wrote: > THANKS FOR THE GOOD WISHES. I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPLY THE PARTS AS > BEFORE. MY LEFT HAND AND LEG ARE SOMEWHAT EFFECTED BUT I WILL CONTINUE > MAKING THE THINGS A CAN. I GUESS YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. ON A DUTCH TUBE FORUM, THERE IS A DISCUSSION GOING ON ABOUT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH A COLLECTION WHEN THE OWNER IS, OR MIGHT SOON BE, NO LONGER ABLE TO TAKE PROPER CARE OF IT. SELLING LARGE PART OF IT WHILE YOU CAN, IS BY FAR THE BEST OPTION, I THINK. I HOPE YOU WILL STAY HEALTHY ENOUGH FOR A LONG TIME, TO CONTINUE THE THINGS YOU DO AND ENJOY THEM. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 337447 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Attention Eastern Ohio Philco Phanatics Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:42:04 -0400 Message-ID: <12bi6mun722h299@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bfm67bk8ai306@corp.supernews.com> <1152900144.667790.290040@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152905111.068312.263110@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> You guys are very responsible but a bit insane. TWO boxes is the most imaginable for a Philco 16B because you can't unplug the speaker, it has to be unsoldered and resolder on arrival. The last few sales I've made (swaps and eBay) have been to people who have no idea what an RF stage is let alone how to solder. SO, your market would be somewhat limited. Phil N.'s point is well taken r.e. negotiating shipping first, but I find you can learn a LOT if the seller has enough feedback simply by reading the comments and noting they (ideally) have sent many fragile things far away with no complaints and praise for their packing. A person who mostly ships auto parts and has a 12 feedback needs coaching and offers of extra $ or else you'll get a table set sent in the Priority Mail $8.88 Flat Rate box. John H. Article: 337448 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: Bill Turner's collection to be auctioned by Estes Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:45:57 -0700 Message-ID: <7334-44B91BC5-1582@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> References: <44b91511$0$31647$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Sorry to hear this, but I am sure Bill is making a well thought out decision. Might want to keep a couple just to listen to if by chance you find anything worth listening to. I am glad you will still be making your parts up for the restorers. Article: 337449 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: interesting piece of... Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: <7334-44B91E08-1583@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152934224.411599.236590@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Sounds like one I found about 35 years ago. If I remember righ the recording needle was a V shaped unit, and was different than a playback one. My unit actually worked and had a radio in it also. It came with some blank records and the were maybe aluminum coated with plastic (or whatever it was). Article: 337450 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Message-ID: References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152943241.197989.139630@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:16:17 -0400 On 14 Jul 2006 23:00:41 -0700, "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" wrote: > >Beerbarrel wrote: >> will do ......manyfatass! > >Hello, Tracy! > >So you won't miss me while I'm missing you all tomorrow night. > >Be out with two girls! > > You taking them to a phat farm or just another buffet? __________________________________________________________ KE4ODD Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to prove it. *Used with express written permission of its creator. Article: 337451 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philsvintageradios" Subject: Re: Bill Turner's collection to be auctioned by Estes Date: 15 Jul 2006 10:42:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1152985346.088078.18400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152957244.632489.239120@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Bill Turner wrote: > THANKS FOR THE GOOD WISHES. I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPLY THE PARTS AS > BEFORE. MY LEFT HAND AND LEG ARE SOMEWHAT EFFECTED BUT I WILL CONTINUE > MAKING THE THINGS A CAN. > > > CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com > Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. > Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. When I first got into collecting radios, we had the " radio course" and I would like to thank Bill for all his interesting posts. I never had the pleasure of actually meetng , but it was in a large part the enthusuasm of Bill and the other active members in this forum that led me to this incredibly enjoyable hobby. Thanks Bill, for your many incredibly interesting posts. I hope to read many more. Phil Article: 337452 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Schwartz Subject: KLH 21 Tuning cap needed Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:19:00 GMT Hello all, I posted this on another group, and it was suggested to me that I post it here. Thanks for reading. You can reply directly to me or the group. I'm working on an old (white grill cloth) KLH Model 21 FM table radio, and the tuning shaft has pulled out of the variable capacitor. The info on the back of the capacitor is: 6620 151 25-771 TRW273 I'm guessing that 6620 is a date code, and either 25-771 or TRW273 is/are part numbers. I won't even guess about the 151. In the service info I've got the cap is C503&C509, KLH catalog #0025 and part #000771. I think the model 18 tuner and the compact system (model 20?) with the FM tuner used the same tuning capacitor. If you have a parts unit that you are willing to sell the capacitor with or with out the attached board, please let me know. Many thanks, Tim Schwartz Bristol Electronics Article: 337453 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:36:25 -0500 Message-ID: <5350-44B935A9-1461@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: Come outtttt,,,,, come outtttt,,,, (Meowwwww) me litle kitten,,,,,, let's celebrate the Harvest Moonnnnnnnnn........... cuhulin Article: 337454 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: y'all Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:34:17 -0500 Message-ID: <5350-44B93529-1460@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> ever heard of (Hey,it's raining now,, come onnnnnnn,,,,,,, Rain) a Singer guy by the name of Pig Meat Martin? I have,since back around at least the 1950's or 1960's. cuhulin Article: 337455 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" Subject: Cathedral radio with magic eye? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:46:24 -0700 Message-ID: <6pCdnYUQ6ZOapSTZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@giganews.com> A visitor to my website is trying to identify a cathedral style radio from his childhood. He says that it had a magic eye tube, and the cabinet looked similar to the Philco 90 pictured on my site. I remember some past mention in this group to the effect that Philco never used magic eyes. Which would rule out Philco unless somebody added an aftermarket eye tube. I don't recall offhand ever seeing a cathedral with a magic eye. Seems like a lot of radios with magic eyes are from the post-cathedral years. On the other hand, what do I know? Does anybody know which brands -- if any -- put magic eyes in cathedrals? Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337456 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DaveM" References: Subject: Re: Sound editing software Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:50:03 -0400 Message-ID: "Carroll Senn" wrote in message news:j26gb21lsnnrs9heaqj9q7tmn4sk9coqfc@4ax.com... > Adobe Audition, works for me > > > On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 16:41:07 GMT, "Gary Tayman" > wrote: > >>In the past we've talked somewhat about computer software for working >>with/cleaning up old recordings. >> >>Personally I bought Sound Forge 5.0 several years ago and have used it >>extensively for cutting/pasting/mixing audio. However one day I upgraded my >>computer, and when I went to install the Sound Forge, it asked for my serial >>number (which I could not find). So I did the next best thing -- I found a >>bootleg copy and installed that (which happened to be version 7). >> >>All was well until today. Out of nowhere I got an error message stating >>that I have to register online to continue using the mp3 plugin -- and it >>pretty much locked up on me. So -- either there is a timeout on its use, or >>else some type of spyware must have determined that I was using an >>unregistered copy. Imagine, I'm unregistered, but I get continual e-mails >>from Sony/Sound Forge about new products, from registering the FIRST time! >> >>The good news -- since that last time I've cleaned the shop, and have found >>the "key" to the install. So once again I'm in business, albeit with >>version 5. >> >>But all this raises my curiosity -- what other programs are out there that >>you recommend? In my opinion, Sound Forge is great for cutting/editing, but >>seems to be lacking when it comes to reducing noise or fixing other >>abnormalities. Next time I update, it may be to something else -- or >>something to complement this one. > Carroll Senn > Columbia, SC > > TO nut and general putz I like Article: 337457 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DaveM" References: Subject: Re: Sound editing software Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:54:44 -0400 Message-ID: <0bWdnRWMUbpopCTZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com> "Carroll Senn" wrote in message news:j26gb21lsnnrs9heaqj9q7tmn4sk9coqfc@4ax.com... > Adobe Audition, works for me > > > On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 16:41:07 GMT, "Gary Tayman" > wrote: > >>In the past we've talked somewhat about computer software for working >>with/cleaning up old recordings. >> >>Personally I bought Sound Forge 5.0 several years ago and have used it >>extensively for cutting/pasting/mixing audio. However one day I upgraded my >>computer, and when I went to install the Sound Forge, it asked for my serial >>number (which I could not find). So I did the next best thing -- I found a >>bootleg copy and installed that (which happened to be version 7). >> >>All was well until today. Out of nowhere I got an error message stating >>that I have to register online to continue using the mp3 plugin -- and it >>pretty much locked up on me. So -- either there is a timeout on its use, or >>else some type of spyware must have determined that I was using an >>unregistered copy. Imagine, I'm unregistered, but I get continual e-mails >>from Sony/Sound Forge about new products, from registering the FIRST time! >> >>The good news -- since that last time I've cleaned the shop, and have found >>the "key" to the install. So once again I'm in business, albeit with >>version 5. >> >>But all this raises my curiosity -- what other programs are out there that >>you recommend? In my opinion, Sound Forge is great for cutting/editing, but >>seems to be lacking when it comes to reducing noise or fixing other >>abnormalities. Next time I update, it may be to something else -- or >>something to complement this one. > Carroll Senn > Columbia, SC > > TO nut and general putz I like Wave Corrector from Ganymede http://www.wavecor.co.uk/. It's fairly cheap, easy to use, and does a fantastic job on the first run. Only works on .WAV files though, not .mp3 files. Does the recording to .WAV for you, then processes it for clicks, pops, etc. -- Dave M MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just substitute the appropriate characters in the address) Some days you're the dog, some days the hydrant. Article: 337458 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:47:36 -0500 Message-ID: <5350-44B93848-1463@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <3cSdnaFNh7UGnyTZnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@bresnan.com> I sent an item to a guy via UPS a couple of months ago.I cut two pieces of plywood to protect the item and lots of cardboard to help protct he item and a thingy I had bought at the Goodwill store which had two pillows in it,I sent all of that stuff to him in a tv/microwave heavy cardboard box I had bought at the U-Haul store.He emailed me and he said it got to him in good condition. cuhulin Article: 337459 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Cathedral radio with magic eye? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:55:49 -0400 Message-ID: <12bieho1vb9t7f@corp.supernews.com> References: <6pCdnYUQ6ZOapSTZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@giganews.com> This is probably THE exact Philco they remember that somehow ended up on eBay- http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-PHILCO-CATHEDRAL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ160000621388 I have never seen a factory tuning eye, though, in a cathedral of thousands I have looked at at various meets, collections, and pictures. The cathedral style had fallen out of favor before tuning eyes came in. John H. Article: 337460 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Sam Sneed" Subject: Instant ebayer jokes Date: 15 Jul 2006 11:56:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Here's something to try. Take any Jew, nigger, and redneck joke and substitute words "nigger", "Jew", and "redneck" with "ebayer". Each and every time, the joke makes sense and is STILL funny. Try it! Article: 337461 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Uncle Peter" References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:57:48 -0400 "Sam Sneed" wrote in message news:1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Here's something to try. Take any Jew, nigger, and redneck joke and > substitute words "nigger", "Jew", and "redneck" with "ebayer". Each and > every time, the joke makes sense and is STILL funny. Try it! > Weren't funny to begin with, and just as ignorant aftwards. Article: 337462 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Cathedral radio with magic eye? Date: 15 Jul 2006 12:04:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1152990241.238499.281940@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <6pCdnYUQ6ZOapSTZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@giganews.com> Hagstar wrote: > This is probably THE exact Philco they remember that somehow ended up on > eBay- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-PHILCO-CATHEDRAL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ160000621388 > > I have never seen a factory tuning eye, though, in a cathedral of thousands > I have looked at at various meets, collections, and pictures. The cathedral > style had fallen out of favor before tuning eyes came in. > > John H. When eye tubes came out there was a 2.5v filament version 2E5 that I think was intended to be retrofitted to the old 2.5V filament sets. That's probably what the Philco has. Article: 337463 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: A real whatzit Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:24:34 -0400 Message-ID: <12big7m1sm9v5cb@corp.supernews.com> References: <1152931744.264268.70220@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Lots of guesses here but nobody seems to have listened to the part of him building the ship in THREE PIECES to be transported to Hudson's Bay by RAFT. John H. Article: 337464 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 15 Jul 2006 12:37:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1152992255.303231.312230@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: I once knew a guy who was so fat he could date two girls at the same time and they'd never meet each other. Article: 337465 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:40:18 -0400 Message-ID: <12bih55iv3haee@corp.supernews.com> References: "James Sweet" wrote in message news:E9Ytg.181$us.88@trnddc04... > > Someone said something about a leaky capacitor on pin 5 of one of the > tubes, which one was it and how do I locate pin 5? Tubes are numbered looking from the bottom, clockwise, number one pin is first to the left of the locating pin on the center post (for 8 pin octal tubes). You need to look at any schematic of a tube base and you'll see. Tubes matter little, change all the paper capacitors and filters. Try things like running the radio without the shields *before* asking about them. If it works fine there is nothing more to do, nothing to gain in performance, nothing to ask, unless you want to add them for appearance. > > > Seems there were originally metal shields around two of the tubes, they're > both missing, anyone got any spares or will I have to try to fab my own at > some point? Are they critical to operation? > > > The brass pointer is broken off, anyone have suggestions on repairing or > finding a replacement? Is it solid brass or some other metal that's > plated? Brass can be soldered, pointers can be made, Mark O. may have some originals > > > Dial glass is missing, someone said the one from Antique Electronic supply > doesn't fit, someone else said it does. Which is the case? Where can I get > one that fits correctly? The AES ones fit okay but the knob shafts end up too short because it is a bit too convex. Any decent local clock repair shop will have a suitable 8" glass however. It is very hard restoring a radio by posting lists of detailed questions covering every small defect. Your radio's exact issues have been covered here and on antiqueradios.com exhaustively literally hundreds perhaps thousands of times. Some searching of archives using Google's Groups Search function as well as the Forum's would help you a great deal and save bandwidth here for more unique problems. John H. Article: 337466 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes Date: 15 Jul 2006 12:58:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1152993487.334229.229100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Sam Sneed and his brother get pushed off the John Hancock Center top floor in Chicago. Which one hits the ground first? Who cares? Article: 337467 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith References: <22925-44B85A01-816@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:05:04 GMT Bill Sheppard wrote: > James wrote, > > >>Someone said something about a leaky >>capacitor on pin 5 of one of the tubes, >>which one was it and how do I locate pin >5? > > > That's the control grid (G1) the AF output, the 6F6. The pins are > counted clockwise beginning from the keying flange. > There's a 0.02uF 600V going from there to a rat's nest at a terminal strip, is that the one in question? I checked it with an ohm meter and it shows open circuit but then I suppose the leakage may well only occur at operating voltage. Article: 337468 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: panisman@erols.com Subject: Re: y'all Date: 15 Jul 2006 13:11:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1152994284.990822.303730@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <5350-44B93529-1460@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > ever heard of (Hey,it's raining now,, come onnnnnnn,,,,,,, Rain) a > Singer guy by the name of Pig Meat Martin? I have,since back around at > least the 1950's or 1960's. > cuhulin Are you talking about Pigmeat Markham, by any chance? If so, here's some info on him... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigmeat_Markham --Paul Article: 337469 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:09:35 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44B94B7F-1609@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152992255.303231.312230@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> I am so fat,I look like I am pregnant with quartiplets.I have big boobies too.Now,where did I put my bra? cuhulin Article: 337470 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: 15 Jul 2006 13:27:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1152995262.226153.287030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <12bih55iv3haee@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > Tubes are numbered looking from the bottom, clockwise, number one pin is > first to the left of the locating pin on the center post (for 8 pin octal > tubes). . first pin to the right of locating pin looking from the bottom. > It is very hard restoring a radio by posting lists of detailed questions > covering every small defect. Your radio's exact issues have been covered > here and on antiqueradios.com exhaustively literally hundreds perhaps > thousands of times. Some searching of archives using Google's Groups Search > function as well as the Forum's would help you a great deal and save > bandwidth here for more unique problems. > > John H. with that outlook, all we need are the archives. not alot new under the sun when it comes to old radios. we have plenty of bandwidth. this is not HAM. i never have understood the bandwith issue. if anybody is stealing bandwidth, it is people like dinius and desertedBob. Article: 337471 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: y'all Date: 15 Jul 2006 13:34:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1152995697.105655.98650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <5350-44B93529-1460@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> panisman@erols.com wrote: > cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > > ever heard of (Hey,it's raining now,, come onnnnnnn,,,,,,, Rain) a > > Singer guy by the name of Pig Meat Martin? I have,since back around at > > least the 1950's or 1960's. > > cuhulin > > Are you talking about Pigmeat Markham, by any chance? If so, here's > some info on him... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigmeat_Markham > --Paul Nope, only It's Raining Men by the Weathergirls/Two Tons of Fun aka Martha Wash (EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!) who got shafted on C+C Music Factory credits. Article: 337472 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 15 Jul 2006 13:39:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1152995994.993112.93120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152992255.303231.312230@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > I am so fat,I look like I am pregnant with quartiplets.I have big > boobies too.Now,where did I put my bra? > cuhulin I KNOW it wasn't strapless... Karaoke Nice of you to stay, Mr. Fort. Care for tea? Oh. So sorry I seem to be out. I could reserve some rust and sediment >from my wretched hovel's supplies for you? Get your own Sierra Mist Free anyhow, sir. Theeeeeenkkeeeuuw! Article: 337473 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes Date: 15 Jul 2006 13:41:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1152996114.813710.164940@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> RadioGary wrote: > Sam Sneed and his brother get pushed off the John Hancock Center top > floor in > Chicago. Which one hits the ground first? Who cares? If he'd remembered his ACME dehydrated water and bat wings... Article: 337474 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: 15 Jul 2006 13:51:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1152996696.953419.308730@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Warren Weber wrote: > "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message > news:1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > >I bought a Radio Craftsmen 800 FM/AM tubed tuner/preamp form *bay (item > > #200002314647). It arrived today in an undersized apple box with no > > cushion on the bottom, no cushion on the face, and some newspaper > > stuffed around the sides. The face was right against the box and and > > the back had an L bracket that was pushed thru the box. So far I don't > > see any shipping damage, but I don't know how. At least the chrome > > looks like it will mostly polish clean. > > I intend to use the FM tuner with my Capehart console. I may take the > > tuner out of its cabinet and show off the chrome. On a happier related > > note, Syl's rebuilt cartridge arrived today. Can't wait to try it on > > the Capehart. > > I sold 2 Ham receivers. Each weighed 55 pounds unboxed. The way I pack > things is to bandsaw styrofoam to fit item in a snug box. Then foam around > first box and install in another snug box. Everything gets done this way. > Also I do not charge for this. Buyer expects item to arrive in good > condition and thats the way I want to be. So I lose a little, so what. I > sold 3 -16 guage 24 x28 stainless steel photo trays. Boxed in wood. UPS ran > a fork lift into box And refused claim because of " poor boxing" They > finally paid claim. WW Remember I sent a GE 12LP4A to Salt Lake and with wood, styrofoam, bubble wrap, poly wrap, gangsta wrap and two rolls of strapping tape and ONLY THEN did it it get double boxed and firmly encased in thick styrofoam. Looked a bit like a Gemini capsule. Got there okay too! PS It was censored gangsta wrap from Wal-Mart Article: 337475 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:51:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3000-44B95544-730@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: <12bih55iv3haee@corp.supernews.com> >From John H.: >Your radio's exact issues have been >covered here and on antiqueradios.com >exhaustively literally hundreds perhaps >thousands of times. Some searching of >archives using Google's Groups Search >function as well as the Forum's would >help you a great deal and save >bandwidth here for more unique >problems. John, with all respect, don't you think you're being a little short and snippish with a new guy working on his first old radio? I don't see it as a waste of bandwidth at all, even if the same issues have been covered in times past. You were a rank newbie not so terribly long ago, and everybody (includin' me) enjoyed and was edified by the interactive repair and troubleshooting sagas. Credit for wasting bandwidth would have to go to the various trolls, political flamefests etc. IMHO. Respectfully, Bill(oc) Article: 337476 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gkb" References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: Gun, pointed at your head by an EBAYER, how come your not laughing? -- "Sam Sneed" wrote in message news:1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Here's something to try. Take any Jew, nigger, and redneck joke and > substitute words "nigger", "Jew", and "redneck" with "ebayer". Each and > every time, the joke makes sense and is STILL funny. Try it! > Article: 337477 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 15 Jul 2006 14:20:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1152998403.918825.312670@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: Steve Reeves wrote: > I once knew a guy who was so fat he could date two girls at the same > time and they'd never meet each other. Hey, that sounds like Rosabelle Magee from Hoagy Carmichael's song "Huggin' and Chalkin'". Maybe they should meet. (when I met another fellow with some chalk in his hand, a-coming around the other side (over the mountain!) Over the great divide!)) :-) sorry for contributing to the nonsense...... paul Article: 337478 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes Date: 15 Jul 2006 14:25:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1152998702.497902.74200@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> gkb wrote: > Gun, pointed at your head by an EBAYER, how come your not laughing? > > -- > > "Sam Sneed" wrote in message > news:1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Here's something to try. Take any Jew, nigger, and redneck joke and > > substitute words "nigger", "Jew", and "redneck" with "ebayer". Each and > > every time, the joke makes sense and is STILL funny. Try it! > > Chill. Powder burns don' look all that good and you can probably killfile that turkey. He's pulled that before... Let's all just write ourselves a hate thread and waste all the precious time we could do other stuff in. OR NOT and go find Jim Menning a Sparton 301 chassis, figure out how to buy some of Bill Turner's excellent equipment. PS It seems that this kind of crap is a job for some of the posters, judging from some groups I see. You can send an abuse report to Yahoo! and as the founders are very conscious of ethnicity and hate values I'd bet, it might be of great help to can the account. Join me and do it too! Article: 337479 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: <17499-44B95DE8-711@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> References: >From James: >There's a 0.02uF 600V going from there >to a rat's nest at a terminal strip, is that >the one in question? Yep, that's the one. >I checked it with an ohm meter and it >shows open circuit but then I suppose >the leakage may well only occur at >operating voltage. Exactly. The ohmeter doesn't apply enough voltage across a cap to give a meaningful leakage test. The cap in this particular application comes off the plate of the 1st audio stage, which has somewhere between 50 to 100V positive on it. You can see that if there's the slightest leakage, it'll bias the grid of the output stage more positive than it should be, causing that tube to overconduct. If left unchecked, that can lead to a cascade of failures. That's why that cap should always be replaced as a matter of course. Bill(oc) Article: 337480 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:43:19 -0400 Message-ID: <12biobqjrhafg71@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bih55iv3haee@corp.supernews.com> <3000-44B95544-730@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message news:3000-44B95544-730@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net... > > > John, with all respect, don't you think you're being a little short and > snippish with a new guy working on his first old radio? You're right it does sound that way, even though I did edit it several times trying to make it NOT sound too critical. But I really do want to help, and find it terribly confusing to sort thorough all the stuff that's okay to get to the questions. I think many people who otherwise would help get bowled over by so much data. Sorry if I sounded snippety! John H. Article: 337481 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: <12biohqor6fqe3a@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bih55iv3haee@corp.supernews.com> <1152995262.226153.287030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1152995262.226153.287030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > first pin to the right of locating pin looking from the bottom. > And then we jump clockwise OVER the locating pin to number 2 ????? You start at the locating pin, the first one going clockwise is #1, that's on the left side of the pin. If I'm wrong it's amazing how many hundreds of radios I've rebuilt that way. John H. Article: 337482 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:59:21 +0900 Message-ID: References: <12bih55iv3haee@corp.supernews.com> <1152995262.226153.287030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <12biohqor6fqe3a@corp.supernews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12biohqor6fqe3a@corp.supernews.com... > > "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message > news:1152995262.226153.287030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> > >> first pin to the right of locating pin looking from the bottom. >> > > And then we jump clockwise OVER the locating pin to number 2 ????? You > start at the locating pin, the first one going clockwise is #1, that's on > the left side of the pin. If I'm wrong it's amazing how many hundreds of > radios I've rebuilt that way. > > John H. You're both saying the same thing.. sort of.. but Pin 1 is only to the right of the locating pin if the pin is facing UP, if it's facing DOWN, then it would be to the left. Better to just say clockwise from the locating pin. Article: 337483 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes--reported to Google and Yahoo! (apparent email provider) Date: 15 Jul 2006 15:02:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1153000960.134727.43470@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I reported all five of the known posts with URLs for Google groups and the header for one to Yahoo! If you want to cut and paste, do the same I would encourage it. I hope that helped. Article: 337484 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jim McShane" Subject: Slightly O/T (?) - Need help with a Heath MPX generator Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: I just obtained a used but repairable IG-37 Heathkit tube type stereo FM generator. After I opened it up I found an adjustable RF coil was broken. The plastic (?) form was broken, but the wires seem fine and the tuning slug moves in it freely. However I have no way to secure it in place. I'd love to find a replacement, Heath part # 40-607, or I'd like some help in how else I might make things right with it. RF is not the strongest part of my game. Any help is greatly appreciated! Jim McShane Need Tubes? Got a H-K Citation (Pre) Amp? Check http://pages.prodigy.net/jimmcshane Repro knobs for Citation gear in stock! Article: 337485 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:10:14 -0700 Message-ID: <20264-44B967C6-81@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Brenda Ann: >You're both saying the same thing.... Pin >1 is only to the right of the locating pin if >the pin is facing UP, if it's facing DOWN, >then it would be to the left. Better to just >say clockwise from the locating pin. Heh. I was always accustomed to it at the 12 o'clock position, where John has it at the 6 o'clock position. Different strokes... oc Article: 337486 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152998702.497902.74200@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:23:28 GMT "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" wrote in message news:1152998702.497902.74200@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > OR NOT and go find Jim Menning a > Sparton 301 chassis, WTF are you talking about? Oh, that's right. You never know. Now leave me out of your delusional rantings. jim menning Article: 337487 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:15:01 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44B968E5-1618@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152995994.993112.93120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Yes,it is a black bra.I want to buy a Wonder Bra deep push up bra.The McRae's departmental store across Highway 80 from me sells them www.metromalljackson.com but gosh,look at the price tags on them. google,Wonder Bra cuhulin Article: 337488 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:16:35 -0500 Message-ID: <19263-44B96943-95@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152998403.918825.312670@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Just because I have natural big boobies,,, dont blame it on me. cuhulin Article: 337489 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:28:26 -0500 Message-ID: <19262-44B96C0A-393@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <21079-44B10AC7-279@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> She is talllll,,,,, she is talllllllll,,, like a skinny stringnean and her boyfriend kicked her out last Tuesday just like I told her last Sunday he would. Space Shuttle Discovery heads back to Earth next Monday at around 9:00 AM Florida Alligator time zone. cuhulin Article: 337490 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "billccm" Subject: Need soem Motorola PLL ICs Date: 15 Jul 2006 16:07:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1153004825.663952.157780@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Hello: I know this isn't exactly antique radio, but these are old radio IC's. I want to get some older shortwave radio projects going. I am looking to purchase some discountined Motorola PLL ICs: MC12015: MECL PLL COMPONENTS DUAL MODULUS PRE-SCALAR- Plastic Package Case 628, Suffix P; Quantity (5) MC145151 : PLL Frequency synthesizer Plastic DIP Case 710: P suffix; Quantity (5) MC145152: PLL Frequency Synthesizer Plastic DIP Case 710: P suffix; Quantity (5) Anyone know of a source? Thanks for any help, and have a nice day, Bill Article: 337491 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: 15 Jul 2006 16:15:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1153005302.213888.150340@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <21079-44B10AC7-279@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > She is talllll,,,,, she is talllllllll,,, like a skinny stringnean and > her boyfriend kicked her out last Tuesday just like I told her last > Sunday he would. > > Space Shuttle Discovery heads back to Earth next Monday at around 9:00 > AM Florida Alligator time zone. > cuhulin waste of tax dollars!! Article: 337492 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1153004825.663952.157780@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Need soem Motorola PLL ICs Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:16:06 GMT "billccm" wrote in message news:1153004825.663952.157780@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > Hello: > I know this isn't exactly antique radio, but these are old radio IC's. > I want to get some older shortwave radio projects going. > I am looking to purchase some discountined Motorola PLL ICs: > MC12015: MECL PLL COMPONENTS DUAL MODULUS PRE-SCALAR- Plastic Package > Case 628, Suffix P; Quantity (5) > MC145151 : PLL Frequency synthesizer Plastic DIP Case 710: P suffix; > Quantity (5) > MC145152: PLL Frequency Synthesizer Plastic DIP Case 710: P suffix; > Quantity (5) > Anyone know of a source? > Thanks for any help, and have a nice day, > Bill > Have you tried here? http://www.sierraic.com/pnresults.asp?part=MC12015P http://www.sierraic.com/pnresults.asp?part=MC145151p http://www.sierraic.com/pnresults.asp?part=MC145152p They list all 3 as available. jim menning Article: 337493 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Zenith console identification and parts source Date: 15 Jul 2006 16:25:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1153005919.261776.175060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: The cabinet is a Sparton 667. I just saw one at an estate sale in Denver Friday. The Sparton I saw was in fair shape, missing the outer dial glass and it needed to be refinished. Asking price at the start of the sale was $125. I would guess a little later in the day it was marked down. Article: 337494 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Cathedral radio with magic eye? Date: 15 Jul 2006 16:42:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1153006924.156535.12070@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <6pCdnYUQ6ZOapSTZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@giganews.com> I have seen several sets with aftermarket [Amphenol] tuning eye kits installed and I even have a NIB 2E5 as mentioned below. Most installations were not done very well, but some were so well done it was only the fact that the eye assembly was mounted to the cabinet that indicated it was not a 'factory' installation. I fully agree that the 'eye' came well after the Cathedral had been displaced by the Tombstone [RCA 9T-1 for example] and other more modern cabinet styles. Neil S. AuroraOldRadios wrote: > Hagstar wrote: > > This is probably THE exact Philco they remember that somehow ended up on > > eBay- > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-PHILCO-CATHEDRAL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ160000621388 > > > > I have never seen a factory tuning eye, though, in a cathedral of thousands > > I have looked at at various meets, collections, and pictures. The cathedral > > style had fallen out of favor before tuning eyes came in. > > > > John H. > When eye tubes came out there was a 2.5v filament version 2E5 that I > think was intended to be retrofitted to the old 2.5V filament sets. > That's probably what the Philco has. Article: 337495 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith References: <12bih55iv3haee@corp.supernews.com> <3000-44B95544-730@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <3lfug.4063$Ss2.729@trnddc01> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:01:03 GMT > > > John, with all respect, don't you think you're being a little short and > snippish with a new guy working on his first old radio? I don't see it > as a waste of bandwidth at all, even if the same issues have been > covered in times past. You were a rank newbie not so terribly long ago, > and everybody (includin' me) enjoyed and was edified by the interactive > repair and troubleshooting sagas. > Credit for wasting bandwidth would have to go to the > various trolls, political flamefests etc. IMHO. > > Respectfully, > Bill(oc) > Glad to see I'm not the only one here with those thoughts, I decided to bite my tongue (or fingers as it may be) and just let it pass. I've found my post to be a success, I've gotten quite a lot of valuable information from those who were kind enough to reply and I appreciate it. I'm no newbie when it comes to finding information online however there's such a tremendous amount of information out there that weeding through it looking for the useful bits can be quite an endeavor. I enjoy the social aspect of chatting with people about this sort of thing, it's a lot more interesting than interacting with Google. Bandwidth is plentiful, this group is fairly quiet compared with some of the others I'm on, it's not like we're sitting around on 300 bps dialup anymore. As for any lurkers who are considering posting, I encourage you to do so, I enjoy following the restoration of any given piece of equipment >from start to finish. At this point I don't have a whole lot of vacuum tube related knowledge aside from Nixie tubes to contribute at this time but I have decades of playing with electronics, electricity and lighting behind me and I'm soaking up the new stuff quickly. Article: 337496 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith References: <20264-44B967C6-81@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:04:22 GMT Bill Sheppard wrote: > From Brenda Ann: > > >>You're both saying the same thing.... Pin >>1 is only to the right of the locating pin if >>the pin is facing UP, if it's facing DOWN, >then it would be to the > > left. Better to just > >>say clockwise from the locating pin. > > > Heh. I was always accustomed to it at the 12 o'clock position, where > John has it at the 6 o'clock position. Different strokes... > > oc > Sheesh, amazing how we took something so simple and managed to make it so confusing. Clockwise from the locating pin, got it, that'll be easy to remember, thanks. Article: 337497 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes Date: 15 Jul 2006 17:30:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1153009823.873274.190140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> jim menning wrote: > "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" wrote in message > news:1152998702.497902.74200@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > OR NOT and go find Jim Menning a > > Sparton 301 chassis, > > WTF are you talking about? Oh, that's right. You never know. Now leave me out of > your delusional rantings. > > jim menning CAN YOU READ? Were you looking for a chassis? And if you didn't get it because it was filter from your account, I don't care! I reported it, Bigoted worm. This is 2006 and there are more than 1 verisions of usenet so stop vomiting over it. Article: 337498 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! References: <1152992255.303231.312230@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <19261-44B94B7F-1609@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:36:07 GMT Message-ID: <2fWdnZoes6xtFCTZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@adelphia.com> In article <19261-44B94B7F-1609@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: >I am so fat,I look like I am pregnant with quartiplets.I have big >boobies too.Now,where did I put my bra? >cuhulin > Men don`t wear bras they wear the BRO or the Manzier Article: 337499 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:52:17 -0400 Message-ID: <12bj3e4176u9v54@corp.supernews.com> References: <20264-44B967C6-81@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message news:20264-44B967C6-81@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net... > > > Heh. I was always accustomed to it at the 12 o'clock position, where > John has it at the 6 o'clock position. Different strokes... > Looking at several different versions of the RCA tube manual and several hundred tube diagrams, I am unable to find any with the locating pin shown at 12 o'clock. I am not sure why it is perceived that I just came up with this position on my own out of the blue. Having never seen it illustrated in any books, diagrams or manuals any other way I assumed this was a safe point of reference. Now I realize I am the only one who noticed this, and the six o-clock position in all these diagrams is just an irrelevant fluke having no meaning to anyone else. John H. Article: 337500 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Slightly O/T (?) - Need help with a Heath MPX generator Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:58:32 +0900 Message-ID: References: "Jim McShane" wrote in message news:e9bnnj02h7p@news2.newsguy.com... >I just obtained a used but repairable IG-37 Heathkit > tube type stereo FM generator. After I opened it up > I found an adjustable RF coil was broken. The plastic > (?) form was broken, but the wires seem fine and the > tuning slug moves in it freely. However I have no way > to secure it in place. > > I'd love to find a replacement, Heath part # 40-607, > or I'd like some help in how else I might make things > right with it. RF is not the strongest part of my game. > > Any help is greatly appreciated! Can you post a photo of it somewhere (not on the binaries)? Article: 337501 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:07:04 -0400 Message-ID: <12bj49rr7bj0g19@corp.supernews.com> References: <20264-44B967C6-81@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> <12bj3e4176u9v54@corp.supernews.com> PS- Enter an octal tube number on Nostalgia Air and here- http://www.nj7p.org/Tube4.php?tube=6AD7g And see which way the locating pin is illustrated. John H. Article: 337502 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:03:17 -0500 Message-ID: <5350-44B99055-1522@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <2fWdnZoes6xtFCTZnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@adelphia.com> Let me go put my bra on. cuhulin Article: 337503 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AB9GO" Subject: Re: interesting piece of... Date: 15 Jul 2006 18:15:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1153012545.837091.125490@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152934224.411599.236590@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> They are coated with shellac and are very brittle. I have some demos recorded @ King Records saved from the dumpster on those type of disks. You CAN still get blanks. There is a place on the net that sells them for $40.00 each!!! The hip hop DJ's have music (if you can call it that!!!!) recorded on then so that they can do the "scratch" on a turntable. Randy Jim Berg wrote: > Sounds like one I found about 35 years ago. If I remember righ the > recording needle was a V shaped unit, and was different than a playback > one. My unit actually worked and had a radio in it also. It came with > some blank records and the were maybe aluminum coated with plastic (or > whatever it was). Article: 337504 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Sparton 301 and diverting a different group member's anger Date: 15 Jul 2006 18:25:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1153013104.557251.215750@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> It was John Goller's...well gee! I'm sorry but I had somebody shouting about guns at some asshole, who I reported to BOTH GOOGLE and YAHOO! Whatever apology I had for Mr. Menning was lost when he threw a shit-fit instead of correcting me. The person who so believes in manners had none. This sounds like the WWE Saturday Night show on UPN almost, but it's so crass. You are so low on a totem pole you are already buried. Do not try to converse with me ever again, Article: 337505 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 15 Jul 2006 18:29:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1153013344.251452.251580@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152998403.918825.312670@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Just because I have natural big boobies,,, dont blame it on me. > cuhulin Sumo pays good. Do you look okay in one of those Japanese wrestler thongs? : )))) LOLOL Thanks! Article: 337506 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: 15 Jul 2006 18:31:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1153013473.405789.251190@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <21079-44B10AC7-279@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> RadioGary wrote: > cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > > She is talllll,,,,, she is talllllllll,,, like a skinny stringnean and > > her boyfriend kicked her out last Tuesday just like I told her last > > Sunday he would. > > > > Space Shuttle Discovery heads back to Earth next Monday at around 9:00 > > AM Florida Alligator time zone. > > cuhulin > > waste of tax dollars!! Should we merge this with "It's amazing it arrived intact"? Article: 337507 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "t.hoehler" References: <44b2650f$0$3630$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44B2671F.B61C705D@earthlink.net> <44b2e01e$0$3631$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44B2FC00.D8802252@earthlink.net> <1152722822.455033.219540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <44b59e23$0$3628$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> Subject: Re: Parts question and tale of acquisition Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:40:16 -0400 Message-ID: <6KKdnXv13JudBCTZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@insightbb.com> "clfe" wrote in message news:44b59e23$0$3628$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net... > wrote in message > news:1152722822.455033.219540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>> > I'm kinda curious as to which of the other local stores are to be >>> > closing >>> > soon. I know the "closest" one to me seems dead MOST of the time, so >>> > if it >>> > disappears - it would be no surprise. >>> > >> >>> No published list of locations that i know of, but it would be my >>> guess that if there is no "Store Closing" signs in the windows by now, >>> its probably not on the list. >> >> Go to the store locator area on the RadioShack website... type in your >> zip code and it will list all the stores in your area, indicating which >> are closing. Many may already be closed, but there may still be some >> open, >> >> Brett I remember the hoopla in the "Flyer Side Chats" section of the Radio Shack flyers of the seventies about the number of stores worldwide and the number of new stores opening that month. Called it the StoreBoard. Sure would be ironic if they would post the same info, except the numbers running in reverse. The electronics experimenter and do it yourselfer is a dying breed . . . . .and for the few of us out here, there is Mouser. (thank God) Regards, Tom Article: 337508 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:50:38 +0900 Message-ID: References: <20264-44B967C6-81@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> <12bj3e4176u9v54@corp.supernews.com> <12bj49rr7bj0g19@corp.supernews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12bj49rr7bj0g19@corp.supernews.com... > PS- Enter an octal tube number on Nostalgia Air and here- > > http://www.nj7p.org/Tube4.php?tube=6AD7g > > And see which way the locating pin is illustrated. > > John H. It looks quite odd looking at it with the keyway on the bottom.. but it is correct. To make it look right to me, I have to mentally twist it 180 degrees. Article: 337509 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44B9A081.E65BADD3@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152943241.197989.139630@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:12:53 GMT Beerbarrel wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2006 23:00:41 -0700, "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" > wrote: > > > > >Beerbarrel wrote: > >> will do ......manyfatass! > > > >Hello, Tracy! > > > >So you won't miss me while I'm missing you all tomorrow night. > > > >Be out with two girls! > > > > > > You taking them to a phat farm or just another buffet? Want to bet they'll all be wearing the same dress? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337510 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes--reported to Google and Yahoo! (apparent References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152998702.497902.74200@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153000960.134727.43470@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:30:31 GMT Steven (not really the Antichrist) wrote: > I reported all five of the known posts with URLs for Google groups and > the header for one to Yahoo! Skippy calling for people to send complaints to Yahoo and Google? That's just too funny for words. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337511 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152998702.497902.74200@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153009823.873274.190140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153013104.557251.215750@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sparton 301 and diverting a different group member's anger Message-ID: <%Khug.165$252.101@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:45:15 GMT "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" wrote in message news:1153013104.557251.215750@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > It was John Goller's...well gee! I'm sorry but I had somebody shouting > about guns at some asshole, who I reported to BOTH GOOGLE and YAHOO! > > Whatever apology I had for Mr. Menning was lost when he threw a > shit-fit instead of correcting me. The person who so believes in > manners had none. This sounds like the WWE Saturday Night show on UPN > almost, but it's so crass. > > You are so low on a totem pole you are already buried. Do not try to > converse with me ever again, > Fuck you Dinius. Article: 337512 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152998702.497902.74200@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153000960.134727.43470@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes--reported to Google and Yahoo! (apparent email provider) Message-ID: <6Vhug.166$252.152@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:56:02 GMT "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:bxhug.16539$MF6.3683@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > Steven (not really the Antichrist) wrote: > >> I reported all five of the known posts with URLs for Google groups and >> the header for one to Yahoo! > > Skippy calling for people to send complaints to Yahoo and Google? That's > just too funny for words. > > Jeff > > Sure was peaceful around here for a few days. Someone must have bailed him out again. Maybe those two lesbians he's going to dinner with? Hmm... I wonder what they'll be eating? jim menning Article: 337513 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: <18314-44B9AD05-737@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: John, Quite a few of us old geezers had it at the 12 o'clock position long before we ever started reading tube manuals. I reakon it's because the clock face has 1 immediately following the 12, and it just felt natural for it to go that way. When looking at a basing diagram (you young'uns call it a 'pinout' nowadays), we mentally transpose it "right side up" as Brenda says. Peace :-) oc Article: 337514 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "lowalacrity" Subject: Re: interesting piece of... Date: 15 Jul 2006 21:29:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1153024170.510710.201720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152934224.411599.236590@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> AB9GO wrote: > They are coated with shellac and are very brittle. I have some demos > recorded @ King Records saved from the dumpster on those type of disks. > You CAN still get blanks. There is a place on the net that sells them > for $40.00 each!!! The hip hop DJ's have music (if you can call it > that!!!!) recorded on then so that they can do the "scratch" on a > turntable. > > Randy > > > Jim Berg wrote: > > Sounds like one I found about 35 years ago. If I remember righ the > > recording needle was a V shaped unit, and was different than a playback > > one. My unit actually worked and had a radio in it also. It came with > > some blank records and the were maybe aluminum coated with plastic (or > > whatever it was). I have one also. The radio works fine and so do the amp(s). I've come to the conclusion the the cartridges are B.O. Anyone know if there's a market for them? (the recorder and accessories) It has and some sort of brown bakalite disc thats about 3&1/2 inches across and has a cord and 1/4" mono mic plug. From WM J. Murdock. I think it's a pillow speaker >from the 40's. Anyone interested in the lot, including several self recorded records from the period. I'm a horse trader from way back. I collect radios/shortwaves, anything old and transistorized. Good shape save for a few small stains. John Article: 337515 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 15 Jul 2006 22:25:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1153027537.438999.26000@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Beerbarrel wrote: > > > > On 14 Jul 2006 23:00:41 -0700, "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" > > wrote: > > > > > > > >Beerbarrel wrote: > > >> will do ......manyfatass! > > > > > >Hello, Tracy! > > > > > >So you won't miss me while I'm missing you all tomorrow night. > > > > > >Be out with two girls! > > > > > > > > > > You taking them to a phat farm or just another buffet? > > > Want to bet they'll all be wearing the same dress? > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Fuck you, government tape rewinder. She was not feeling well enough to go and we're starting to worry about her health. She's a nice lady, a neighbor, but nearly 60 diabetic and some headaches that aren't very funny. Article: 337516 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: Sparton 301 and diverting a different group member's anger Date: 15 Jul 2006 22:26:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1153027595.965890.127500@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> jim menning wrote: > "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" wrote in message > news:1153013104.557251.215750@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > It was John Goller's...well gee! I'm sorry but I had somebody shouting > > about guns at some asshole, who I reported to BOTH GOOGLE and YAHOO! > > > > Whatever apology I had for Mr. Menning was lost when he threw a > > shit-fit instead of correcting me. The person who so believes in > > manners had none. This sounds like the WWE Saturday Night show on UPN > > almost, but it's so crass. > > > > You are so low on a totem pole you are already buried. Do not try to > > converse with me ever again, > > > > Fuck you Dinius. You have syphilis. Article: 337517 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes--reported to Google and Yahoo! (apparent email provider) Date: 15 Jul 2006 22:31:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1153027881.435512.151790@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > jim menning wrote: > > > > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > > news:bxhug.16539$MF6.3683@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > > > > > > > Steven (not really the Antichrist) wrote: > > > > > >> I reported all five of the known posts with URLs for Google groups and > > >> the header for one to Yahoo! > > > > > > Skippy calling for people to send complaints to Yahoo and Google? That's > > > just too funny for words. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > Sure was peaceful around here for a few days. Someone must have bailed him out > > again. Maybe those two lesbians he's going to dinner with? Hmm... I wonder what > > they'll be eating? > > > > jim menning > > > Hopefully Dinius, roasted on a spit over a roaring fire. > > BTW, he is posting from a different IP address. How is that? I haven't changed ISPs. I know at least two people who are very quiet while not respecting the lesbian crap. Add me in there. You guys shouldn't have made it out of 7th grade with all your limbs. Article: 337518 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Message-ID: <5vjjb2p54g567j9uog7h2b4idnce3c8m0q@4ax.com> References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152943241.197989.139630@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44B9A081.E65BADD3@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:34:53 -0400 On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:12:53 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: >Beerbarrel wrote: >> >> On 14 Jul 2006 23:00:41 -0700, "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" >> wrote: >> >> > >> >Beerbarrel wrote: >> >> will do ......manyfatass! >> > >> >Hello, Tracy! >> > >> >So you won't miss me while I'm missing you all tomorrow night. >> > >> >Be out with two girls! >> > >> > >> >> You taking them to a phat farm or just another buffet? > > > Want to bet they'll all be wearing the same dress? No not me....I'd lose that bet for sure! __________________________________________________________ KE4ODD Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to prove it. *Used with express written permission of its creator. Article: 337519 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Message-ID: <30kjb2p53ekpq4sn9qbvnfirsd728rl893@4ax.com> References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152943241.197989.139630@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44B9A081.E65BADD3@earthlink.net> <1153027537.438999.26000@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:35:20 -0400 On 15 Jul 2006 22:25:37 -0700, "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" wrote: > >Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> Beerbarrel wrote: >> > >> > On 14 Jul 2006 23:00:41 -0700, "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >Beerbarrel wrote: >> > >> will do ......manyfatass! >> > > >> > >Hello, Tracy! >> > > >> > >So you won't miss me while I'm missing you all tomorrow night. >> > > >> > >Be out with two girls! >> > > >> > > >> > >> > You taking them to a phat farm or just another buffet? >> >> >> Want to bet they'll all be wearing the same dress? >> >> >> -- >> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to >> prove it. >> Member of DAV #85. >> >> Michael A. Terrell >> Central Florida > >Fuck you, government tape rewinder. She was not feeling well enough to >go and we're starting to worry about her health. She's a nice lady, a >neighbor, but nearly 60 diabetic and some headaches that aren't very >funny. Tell her to give up buffets! __________________________________________________________ KE4ODD Service to my country? Me too and I've got my DD214 and 5 point veteran preference to prove it. *Used with express written permission of its creator. Article: 337520 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 15 Jul 2006 22:42:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153028554.685509.202010@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> That's nice. Article: 337521 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 15 Jul 2006 22:45:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1153028722.030091.119060@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Take a look at: http://www.haltabuse.org/ Shut up. Do you want to shut Usenet down completely? Now YOU are the one to speak! Article: 337522 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "More Maroons, I see" Subject: _ Date: 15 Jul 2006 22:52:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1153029165.615251.239430@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Glad to see everyone is crazy and has abandoned killfiling completely. Article: 337523 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <6pCdnYUQ6ZOapSTZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@giganews.com> <12bieho1vb9t7f@corp.supernews.com> <1152990241.238499.281940@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1153006924.156535.12070@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Cathedral radio with magic eye? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 03:47:23 -0500 "nesesu" wrote in message news:1153006924.156535.12070@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > I have seen several sets with aftermarket [Amphenol] tuning eye kits > installed and I even have a NIB 2E5 as mentioned below. Most > installations were not done very well, but some were so well done it > was only the fact that the eye assembly was mounted to the cabinet that > indicated it was not a 'factory' installation. I fully agree that the > 'eye' came well after the Cathedral had been displaced by the Tombstone > [RCA 9T-1 for example] and other more modern cabinet styles. > > Neil S. > > AuroraOldRadios wrote: > > Hagstar wrote: > > > This is probably THE exact Philco they remember that somehow ended up on > > > eBay- > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-PHILCO-CATHEDRAL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ160000621388 > > > > > > I have never seen a factory tuning eye, though, in a cathedral of thousands > > > I have looked at at various meets, collections, and pictures. The cathedral > > > style had fallen out of favor before tuning eyes came in. > > > > > > John H. > > When eye tubes came out there was a 2.5v filament version 2E5 that I > > think was intended to be retrofitted to the old 2.5V filament sets. > > That's probably what the Philco has. > To my admittedly inexperienced eye, the cathedral cited by John H. at http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-PHILCO-CATHEDRAL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ160000621388 *definitely* looks like a retrofit. Nelson Article: 337524 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave.H" Subject: Subminiature tube radio- Motorola model 53LC2 Date: 16 Jul 2006 04:22:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1153048927.400345.66040@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I was looking through the galleries at radiolaguy.com, when I came to subminiature tube radio, the Motorola model 53LC2, with what seems to be a very peculiar loudspeaker. It has no visible magnet, at least I can't see one. Can anybody explain to me how a speaker like this would work without a magnet? Thanks Dave.H Article: 337525 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave.H" Subject: Re: Subminiature tube radio- Motorola model 53LC2 Date: 16 Jul 2006 04:25:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1153049107.084536.65290@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153048927.400345.66040@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Oops, sorry, forgot the link, here it is http://www.radiolaguy.com/images/Motorola53LC2i.jpg Article: 337526 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave.H" Subject: Re: Subminiature tube radio- Motorola model 53LC2 Date: 16 Jul 2006 04:36:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1153049807.439243.251520@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1153048927.400345.66040@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I was looking through the galleries at radiolaguy.com, when I came to subminiature tube radio, the Motorola model 53LC2, with what seems to be a very peculiar loudspeaker. It has no visible magnet, at least I can't see one. Can anybody explain to me how a speaker like this would work without a magnet? http://www.radiolaguy.com/images/Motorola53LC2i.jpg Thanks Dave.H Article: 337527 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave.H" Subject: Subminiature Tube Radio Date: 16 Jul 2006 04:39:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I was browsing the galleries at RadiolaGuy.com, and came across a subminiature tube radio with a very peculiar speaker. It has no visible magnet. How would this work? View the photo at http://www.radiolaguy.com/images/Motorola53LC2i.jpg Thanks Dave.H Article: 337528 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Cathedral radio with magic eye? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:04:39 -0400 Message-ID: <12bkaquhq0oa2d@corp.supernews.com> References: <6pCdnYUQ6ZOapSTZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@giganews.com> <12bieho1vb9t7f@corp.supernews.com> <1152990241.238499.281940@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1153006924.156535.12070@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> "Nelson Gietz" wrote in message news:y0nug.45$YC3.13@newsfe23.lga... > > > To my admittedly inexperienced eye, the cathedral cited by John H. > at > http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-PHILCO-CATHEDRAL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ160000621388 > *definitely* looks like a retrofit. That's why I clearly labeled it as such. John H. Article: 337529 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Subminiature Tube Radio Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:37:41 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Dave.H" wrote in message news:1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >I was browsing the galleries at RadiolaGuy.com, and came across a > subminiature tube radio with a very peculiar speaker. It has no > visible magnet. How would this work? > > View the photo at http://www.radiolaguy.com/images/Motorola53LC2i.jpg > > Thanks > Dave.H I've had speakers like that. The magnet structure is on the front of the speaker. Allows for a thinner case on the radio. Article: 337530 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave.H" Subject: Re: Subminiature Tube Radio Date: 16 Jul 2006 05:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1153053585.196375.155330@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I had a feeling the magnet was on the front, but since theres no front on view of the speaker I couldn't confirm it. Thanks. Brenda Ann wrote: > "Dave.H" wrote in message > news:1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >I was browsing the galleries at RadiolaGuy.com, and came across a > > subminiature tube radio with a very peculiar speaker. It has no > > visible magnet. How would this work? > > > > View the photo at http://www.radiolaguy.com/images/Motorola53LC2i.jpg > > > > Thanks > > Dave.H > > I've had speakers like that. The magnet structure is on the front of the > speaker. Allows for a thinner case on the radio. Article: 337531 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44ba43ec$0$31646$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: Instant ebayer jokes--reported to Google and Yahoo! (apparent email provider) References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152998702.497902.74200@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153000960.134727.43470@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: 16 Jul 2006 13:49:32 GMT "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" wrote: > If you want to cut and paste, do the same I would encourage it. I hope > that helped. You forgot to report one. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 337532 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44ba44a7$0$31646$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: Subminiature tube radio- Motorola model 53LC2 References: <1153048927.400345.66040@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153049107.084536.65290@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Date: 16 Jul 2006 13:52:39 GMT Dave.H wrote: > Oops, sorry, forgot the link, here it is > http://www.radiolaguy.com/images/Motorola53LC2i.jpg The magnet could be on the other side of the cone. Philips made some speakers like that as well, allthough they didn't look like the magnet was just torn off. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. From babushka{AT}dom{DOT}com Mon Jul 17 22:40:45 EDT 2006 Article: 337533 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:36:34 -0500 From: "Bob" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono References: <44B01C21.E37EC970@earthlink.net> <44B1C133.8D85C95E@earthlink.net> <44B86CF9.E440976A@earthlink.net> <44B9AD8E.633F7A5D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: More sensitivity? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:36:34 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: <07WdnZ7IvZlv0yfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com> Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.162.7.235 X-Trace: sv3-T2KxfRQnYfJf9231C2uIg8ZZa3GqKjpHowh8Rznkx6GVktcC3CSfWnbQYp7Y7sPSgfyilQU/T6rMoU3!Ts/m++ta7SdeQR8Q+aBusCpt0NU96QajfaJ0uMX8+m+m2NpFy0wS43Bo4UGPcZNo8h0YVrnEJhLg!fcMEo2s= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337533 "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44B9AD8E.633F7A5D@earthlink.net... > > > How did you couple the signal generator to the radio? > Through a small loop (turns) of wire. Article: 337534 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:02:13 -0500 Message-ID: <21828-44BA6305-8@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153013344.251452.251580@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I guess ''mine'' are a size D Cup size.(I am going to ask that wonderfull lady shopper whom is always over there at the Goodwill store,Pam,what size are ''mine''? She will tell me too) I did buy a black bra over there at the Goodwill store.(I have always had an oversize breast,if you know what I mean?) I put my bra on meself yesterday.You ought to try it sometimes.Now I am looking for wimmins dresses and slacks and blouses and make up and longggg false eyelashes.I just have to do it at least once in my life before I croak.I am not crazy,I only want to try it out at least once.Thank you for bending an ear. cuhulin Article: 337535 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:05:09 -0500 Message-ID: <21826-44BA63B5-86@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <30kjb2p53ekpq4sn9qbvnfirsd728rl893@4ax.com> Nothing much wimmin despise more than to see another woman wearing the same dress. cuhulin Article: 337536 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:15:43 -0500 Message-ID: <21827-44BA662F-32@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153013473.405789.251190@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Space Shuttle Discovery is coming back home tomorrow (Monday) morning Eastern Time Zone.From news I read yesterday.Wellcome Home Astonauts. cuhulin Article: 337537 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: y'all Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:18:34 -0500 Message-ID: <21827-44BA66DA-34@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152995697.105655.98650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> www.yall.com cuhulin Article: 337538 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: y'all Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:22:31 -0500 Message-ID: <21826-44BA67C7-87@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152995697.105655.98650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> www.wlbt.com (tv news,here in Jackson) has one of the cutest weather gals y'all ever saw.Joanna Hancock. cuhulin Article: 337539 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: y'all Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:05:52 -0600 Message-ID: <12807-44BA71F0-1967@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> References: <21826-44BA67C7-87@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> No but in a stack of 78`s i drug home one was called ``huggin and a chalkin`` Its a stupid song but it really was funny the first few times i heard it . Article: 337540 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:18:16 -0600 Message-ID: <12807-44BA74D8-1969@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> References: <21826-44BA63B5-86@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Thats great Steven . I hope you can go out with the ladys more and more , then all the time . It would be nice if you could help them with their yardwork too and change the oil in cars . Great work . Article: 337541 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: WW II Benchley Park wireless Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:33:07 -0500 Message-ID: <401-44BA7853-287@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <5350-44B3D8AA-764@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> I read about this in Saga magazine,back in the 1950's.At Bletchely Park,sometimes things would get pretty hectic,to say the least.One of them women who worked at Bletchley Park (she was Irish) had the habit of cussin.An Officer guy dressed her down and he said,,,, Now,what do you have to say for yourself? she said,Balls Sir! cuhulin Article: 337542 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:59:46 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44BA7E92-1450@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153027537.438999.26000@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Tell them wimmin old Hansom Larry (that's me) says Hello. cuhulin Article: 337543 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: y'all Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:01:10 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44BA7EE6-1451@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <12807-44BA71F0-1967@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> www.juneberry78s.com cuhulin Article: 337544 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Scott W. Harvey Subject: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY, CA 7/15/06 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: Pictures (many) in binaries..... The California Historical Radio Society's annual big event was held yesterday in Berkeley. Attendance was very good as was the event itself. A fun time was had by all. The weather was nearly perfect for an outdoor event, with just enough sun to keep warm and just enough breeze not to get too warm. Although much work remains to be done, CHRS's museum and headquarters was very presentable, with many interesting displays, including an authentic vintage radio station control room and a radio repair shop. The Broadcast Legends gave several entertaining performances, Including some classic radio jingles and a performance of "The Bickersons". Three musical groups played during the auction breaks, and premium sausages, donated by Aidell's, were served during the day and were delicious. There was some very good deals to be had in the auction and flea market...A Wurlitzer Simplex 78 RPM jukebox went for $250.00. A fifteen tube RCA Magic Brain console went for $160.00. A beautifully restored silvertone tombstone sold for $250.00. On the flipside, a 9 tube Zenith blackdial Tombstone in very good condition sold for over $600.00, a price which reflects the red-hot collector interest in these sets. There were 121 lots in all and the quality of the vintage items offered for auction was uniformly excellent. A very nice twelve tube Zenith Shutterdial Chairside went home with me for $105.00, as did a Yaesu FRG-7 Communications Receiver. Another item I won was a truly mint (never used) Emerson direction-finder portable radio. In the flea market I got a Jackson 648 Tube Tester complete with manuals for $5.00 and a near-mint condition AKAI reel-to-reel complete with speakers for $10.00. Lots and lots of other very good stuff found a home for mere pocket change NOS National Panasonic and Emerson tabletop radios were being sold in the memorabilia booth, along with the usual Coffee mugs and T-Shirts. I bought one of the Panasonic Tabletops, which dates from the early 1960s and has apparently never been powered up. AM and SW bands, and pretty cute. I also bought three of the T-shirts, which are a cut above the usual shirts you see at these events, with a four-color design and pictures on both sides of the shirt. In all, an excellent event. Kudos to everyone who worked so hard to make it possible. Special Kudos to Auctioneer Mike Adams who kept everything moving at a brisk pace. -Scott P.S. Neither of the two AK 10 breadboards shown in the pictures made reserve, so they were not sold at the auction. One or both of them may still be available for sale. If you have some serious money burning a hole in your pocket and you'd like to try to get one, send me an email and I will forward your contact information to the owner. Article: 337545 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:03:17 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: My lucky day! Message-ID: Went to a craft and antique mall today and found just what I was looking for. A Philco with photofinish. It is a 37-33 and in pretty good shape. I'll put a photo on the binary page. Best of all it had two tags on it. One said $110 and the second was yellow and said SALE- $29. I grabbed it. Last summer I started work on creating a large burl pattern, but working >from photos from the internet really didn't work to get as exact a duplicate as I want. I knew I would have to get a radio to work from. Plus I had some health problems, my wife's health problems are forever, which makes me a house husband and I was getting to be like the guy who says, "If I can't have her, I'll kill her". With the little time I have for radio work I was ready to throw in the towel, get rid of the few radios I have, and walk away from the hobby. Now I am energized. I intend to duplicate this radio's photofinish and do it well enough that its use will be accepted by this group. There's nothing like having a clear goal. After this I will move to the Philco 37- 620 and 37-361 Stewart Article: 337546 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY, CA 7/15/06 Date: 16 Jul 2006 13:12:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1153080762.888891.243530@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Scott W. Harvey wrote: > Pictures (many) in binaries..... > > The California Historical Radio Society's annual big event was held > yesterday in Berkeley. Attendance was very good as was the event > itself. A fun time was had by all. The weather was nearly perfect for > an outdoor event, with just enough sun to keep warm and just enough > breeze not to get too warm. > > Although much work remains to be done, CHRS's museum and headquarters > was very presentable, with many interesting displays, including an > authentic vintage radio station control room and a radio repair shop. > > The Broadcast Legends gave several entertaining performances, > Including some classic radio jingles and a performance of "The > Bickersons". > > Three musical groups played during the auction breaks, and premium > sausages, donated by Aidell's, were served during the day and were > delicious. > > > There was some very good deals to be had in the auction and flea > market...A Wurlitzer Simplex 78 RPM jukebox went for $250.00. A > fifteen tube RCA Magic Brain console went for $160.00. A beautifully > restored silvertone tombstone sold for $250.00. On the flipside, a 9 > tube Zenith blackdial Tombstone in very good condition sold for over > $600.00, a price which reflects the red-hot collector interest in > these sets. > > There were 121 lots in all and the quality of the vintage items > offered for auction was uniformly excellent. > > A very nice twelve tube Zenith Shutterdial Chairside went home with me > for $105.00, as did a Yaesu FRG-7 Communications Receiver. Another > item I won was a truly mint (never used) Emerson direction-finder > portable radio. > > > In the flea market I got a Jackson 648 Tube Tester complete with > manuals for $5.00 and a near-mint condition AKAI reel-to-reel complete > with speakers for $10.00. Lots and lots of other very good stuff found > a home for mere pocket change > > NOS National Panasonic and Emerson tabletop radios were being sold in > the memorabilia booth, along with the usual Coffee mugs and T-Shirts. > I bought one of the Panasonic Tabletops, which dates from the early > 1960s and has apparently never been powered up. AM and SW bands, and > pretty cute. I also bought three of the T-shirts, which are a cut > above the usual shirts you see at these events, with a four-color > design and pictures on both sides of the shirt. > > > In all, an excellent event. Kudos to everyone who worked so hard to > make it possible. Special Kudos to Auctioneer Mike Adams who kept > everything moving at a brisk pace. > > -Scott > > P.S. Neither of the two AK 10 breadboards shown in the pictures made > reserve, so they were not sold at the auction. One or both of them may > still be available for sale. If you have some serious money burning a > hole in your pocket and you'd like to try to get one, send me an email > and I will forward your contact information to the owner. 250.00 for that juke? wish i would have been there. do you remember how much that nice victrola went for?....just so i can grieve. Article: 337547 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "The Archer's" Subject: Firestone S7398-1 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:36:00 -0700 Hi, I have recently aquired a Firestone S7398-1 from my grandparents estate. It is complete and in pretty good shape. When plugged in, the small lamp above the dial lights briefly, then goes out. No sound, static, or anything. Based on what I have read, this may be a problem in B+. Heres the trouble, I have no clue where to test for B+. I have the radio, schematic, multimeter, and some basic electronic experience, but no clue where to begin. I would like to return this radio to service, but obviously need some direction. Can anyone help a new guy out? Thanks in advance for any assistance. Geoff Archer Las Vegas, NV Article: 337548 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: Subject: Re: My lucky day! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:44:28 -0500 "Stewart Schooley" wrote in message news:YtidnavcxcngBifZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@bright.net... > Went to a craft and antique mall today and found just what I was looking > for. A Philco with photofinish. It is a 37-33 and in pretty good shape. > I'll put a photo on the binary page. > > Best of all it had two tags on it. One said $110 and the second was > yellow and said SALE- $29. I grabbed it. > > Last summer I started work on creating a large burl pattern, but working > from photos from the internet really didn't work to get as exact a > duplicate as I want. I knew I would have to get a radio to work from. > Plus I had some health problems, my wife's health problems are forever, > which makes me a house husband and I was getting to be like the guy who > says, "If I can't have her, I'll kill her". > > With the little time I have for radio work I was ready to throw in the > towel, get rid of the few radios I have, and walk away from the hobby. > > Now I am energized. I intend to duplicate this radio's photofinish and > do it well enough that its use will be accepted by this group. There's > nothing like having a clear goal. > > After this I will move to the Philco 37- 620 and 37-361 > > Stewart > Good catch! And I agree, there's nothing like a new project with potential to re-spark the interest... in radios and life in general. Glad you haven't walked away from the hobby! Question: Do I recall correctly that you suggested oil paints could be used as a toner for lacquer? I have a couple here that need some obscuring toner, but the actual colouring is not a *dark* brown. Cheers, Nelson Article: 337549 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY, CA 7/15/06 Message-ID: <8Cxug.721$Xc7.687@newsfe22.lga> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:49:31 -0500 "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message news:m10lb2ls8s0t754juapt9565mv0hm67p8p@4ax.com... > Pictures (many) in binaries..... > > The California Historical Radio Society's annual big event was held > yesterday in Berkeley. Attendance was very good as was the event > itself. A fun time was had by all. The weather was nearly perfect for > an outdoor event, with just enough sun to keep warm and just enough > breeze not to get too warm. > > Although much work remains to be done, CHRS's museum and headquarters > was very presentable, with many interesting displays, including an > authentic vintage radio station control room and a radio repair shop. > Wotta party! I went thru the photos once, and marked them unread so I can do it again. The control room looks like you could just sit down and spin a few... although I never had *four* turntables to work with in the places I've been. Are you in any of the photos, Scott? Cheers, Nelson Article: 337550 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: My lucky day! Date: 16 Jul 2006 14:06:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1153083967.791601.272480@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: Nelson Gietz wrote: > "Stewart Schooley" wrote in message > news:YtidnavcxcngBifZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@bright.net... > > Went to a craft and antique mall today and found just what I was looking > > for. A Philco with photofinish. It is a 37-33 and in pretty good shape. > > I'll put a photo on the binary page. > > > > Best of all it had two tags on it. One said $110 and the second was > > yellow and said SALE- $29. I grabbed it. > > > > Last summer I started work on creating a large burl pattern, but working > > from photos from the internet really didn't work to get as exact a > > duplicate as I want. I knew I would have to get a radio to work from. > > Plus I had some health problems, my wife's health problems are forever, > > which makes me a house husband and I was getting to be like the guy who > > says, "If I can't have her, I'll kill her". > > > > With the little time I have for radio work I was ready to throw in the > > towel, get rid of the few radios I have, and walk away from the hobby. > > > > Now I am energized. I intend to duplicate this radio's photofinish and > > do it well enough that its use will be accepted by this group. There's > > nothing like having a clear goal. > > > > After this I will move to the Philco 37- 620 and 37-361 > > > > Stewart > > > Good catch! > And I agree, there's nothing like a new project with potential to > re-spark the interest... in radios and life in general. Glad you haven't > walked away from the hobby! > Question: Do I recall correctly that you suggested oil paints could be > used as a toner for lacquer? I have a couple here that need some > obscuring toner, but the actual colouring is not a *dark* brown. > Cheers, > Nelson ;-0 Oh dear, I hope we don't start the Van Dyke Brown thing all over:-ppp Article: 337551 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <12807-44BA71F0-1967@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <400-44BA7EE6-1451@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: y'all Message-ID: <3Wxug.5314$k31.2459@trnddc06> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:09:19 GMT While on the subject, has anyone heard of a song called "Chaw's Gone Blues" by a group known as the Four Squires? I tried out that Juneberry thing and it never heard of either the song nor the band. I tried a few other search engines to no avail. This group had a few songs circa 1940. They were mostly comedy/parody. As for the song itself, I recall most of the words: "It happened way way way way down in the Ozark Mountains It was Maw and Paw and Chaw it happened to Now Chaw he sold his still for a fifty dollar bill and he bought hisself a purdy little car Now Chaw he never driv a car but he swore he'd make it go so he cranked her up and leaped into the seat (clear the way) The last we saw of Chaw he was hollerin' Yee and Haw and the car was tearin' round and round the shack and he went round and round and round and round and round his head was spinnin' around like a top He headed for the shack and he drove in through the back but he come right out the front without a stop." The song continues for awhile, with kazoo, washboard, and similar instruments; there are some sound effects and Chaw ends up heading for the well. The last line of the song goes like this: "And he went down and down and down and down and down His folks were so darn lazy they just let him stay But Chaw he didn't care he was just as happy there 'Cause they threw him down his vittles every day." Now THERE'S a piece of Americana if I ever heard it! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com wrote in message news:400-44BA7EE6-1451@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net... > www.juneberry78s.com > cuhulin > Article: 337552 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Firestone S7398-1 Date: 16 Jul 2006 14:09:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1153084199.427582.199550@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: The Archer's wrote: > Hi, > > I have recently aquired a Firestone S7398-1 from my grandparents estate. It > is complete and in pretty good shape. When plugged in, the small lamp above > the dial lights briefly, then goes out. No sound, static, or anything. Based > on what I have read, this may be a problem in B+. > > Heres the trouble, I have no clue where to test for B+. I have the radio, > schematic, multimeter, and some basic electronic experience, but no clue > where to begin. I would like to return this radio to service, but obviously > need some direction. Can anyone help a new guy out? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > Geoff Archer > Las Vegas, NV This is an AC/DC set with no transformer. It relies on a 35Z5GT with a filament tap to run the pilot lamp. I would test all the tubes first and especially make sure the 35Z5 has continuity on all 3 filament leads. Almost certainly the electrolytic caps will be bad as well as the paper/wax ones. I would find an isolated fused variable output power supply before working on that chassis. Anyway, start with the tubes and pilot light (should be a #47). If the line cord is bad, replace it. Safety first! Line voltage can kill. If you are not absolutely certain that you can work safely, enlist the help of a local friendly collector -there a lot of them out there. Article: 337553 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 16 Jul 2006 14:13:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1153084439.730770.24260@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <21826-44BA63B5-86@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Ken G. wrote: > Thats great Steven . I hope you can go out with the ladys more and > more , then all the time . It would be nice if you could help them with > their yardwork too and change the oil in cars . Great work . She had to cancel and her sister is in from Massachusetts too. She has some nasty pressure headaches sometimes. I worry about her. She won't tell me what my bra size is though, thank goodness. She lives in an FHA apartment complex next door. Somebody mows the lawn for everybody. I never changed my OWN. She's not my lover. It's nice to go out and talk to something without cajones for a while, though. Don't take that funny either. Article: 337554 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: 16 Jul 2006 14:15:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1153084509.331208.117010@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <9g3sg.347310$Fs1.129911@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > I have a thick hardback book floating around somewhere in my house about > Chinese inventions.Check with your local area book stores for the > book.It is interesting,to say the least. > cuhulin Karnack says he on it. Article: 337555 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: y'all Date: 16 Jul 2006 14:17:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1153084675.379521.129170@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <12807-44BA71F0-1967@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Gary Tayman wrote: > While on the subject, has anyone heard of a song called "Chaw's Gone Blues" > by a group known as the Four Squires? > > I tried out that Juneberry thing and it never heard of either the song nor > the band. I tried a few other search engines to no avail. > > This group had a few songs circa 1940. They were mostly comedy/parody. As > for the song itself, I recall most of the words: > > "It happened way way way way down in the Ozark Mountains > It was Maw and Paw and Chaw it happened to > Now Chaw he sold his still for a fifty dollar bill > and he bought hisself a purdy little car > Now Chaw he never driv a car but he swore he'd make it go > so he cranked her up and leaped into the seat (clear the way) > The last we saw of Chaw he was hollerin' Yee and Haw > and the car was tearin' round and round the shack > and he went round and round and round and round and round > his head was spinnin' around like a top > He headed for the shack and he drove in through the back > but he come right out the front without a stop." > > The song continues for awhile, with kazoo, washboard, and similar > instruments; there are some sound effects and Chaw ends up heading for the > well. The last line of the song goes like this: > > "And he went down and down and down and down and down > His folks were so darn lazy they just let him stay > But Chaw he didn't care he was just as happy there > 'Cause they threw him down his vittles every day." > > Now THERE'S a piece of Americana if I ever heard it! Woody Woodpecker cartoon no doubt Article: 337556 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Firestone S7398-1 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:21:14 GMT This is a rather hard mesage to respond to in one or two sentences, but I'll say this -- you're in good shape to have a schematic and meter in hand. Probably the first question to be answered is: just where is that lamp in the schematic? Is it a 6 volt lamp that runs parallel to the tube filaments? Is it a higher voltage lamp that uses B+? Is it some strange configuration that uses some voltage from elsewhere? I would tend to believe it's a 6v lamp in the filament circuit, but there's always that exception out there. Next thing, before you go any further with applying power, make sure you don't have a strong current flow via bad filters/rectifier/transformer. A variac or substitute power supply are best for this, but if you don't have them you can always try the proverbial light-bulb-in-series with the power cord. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "The Archer's" wrote in message news:wrxug.13678$Nv.11951@fed1read10... > Hi, > > I have recently aquired a Firestone S7398-1 from my grandparents estate. > It is complete and in pretty good shape. When plugged in, the small lamp > above the dial lights briefly, then goes out. No sound, static, or > anything. Based on what I have read, this may be a problem in B+. > > Heres the trouble, I have no clue where to test for B+. I have the radio, > schematic, multimeter, and some basic electronic experience, but no clue > where to begin. I would like to return this radio to service, but > obviously need some direction. Can anyone help a new guy out? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > Geoff Archer > Las Vegas, NV > Article: 337557 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Thread formerly known as another thread Date: 16 Jul 2006 14:22:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1153084977.350427.25660@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1152989794.950782.274540@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote: > "Steven (not really the Antichrist)" wrote: > > If you want to cut and paste, do the same I would encourage it. I hope > > that helped. > > You forgot to report one. > > -- > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Maarten Bakker. Five was enough, Dutch dude. Get your own bag. Article: 337558 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:46:05 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: Re: My lucky day! References: Message-ID: > > Good catch! > And I agree, there's nothing like a new project with potential to > re-spark the interest... in radios and life in general. Glad you haven't > walked away from the hobby! > Question: Do I recall correctly that you suggested oil paints could be > used as a toner for lacquer? I have a couple here that need some > obscuring toner, but the actual colouring is not a *dark* brown. > Cheers, > Nelson Nelson, I have never mixed oil paints directly with lacquer. I have used thinned oil paints as wipe on toners and also used oil paints for coloring scratches and damaged areas and never had a problem putting lacquer over it. Ken G has mentioned several times that he mixes oil based stains with Deft lacquer and sprays it. I did a RAR+P search on 'stain toner' and found this info; http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/search?q=stain+toner&start=10& Search around there and you will find my comment about using colored castor oil in lacquer which Hagstar responed to. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to try mixing thinned oil paints with Deft as the label clearly states it contains oils. Other lacquers? I'd give them a try too. I'm not sure what you mean about "obscuring toner", but if your intent is to reduce the brightness of a wood color I wouldn't use black unless you want a really dull, deader color. I mentioned here once that if I wanted a duller, mellower, aged look to a wood color I would use the complementary color as a toner. Since basic brown is simply a dark orange I would use blue. If the wood was lighter and toward the yellow side, I would use a blue/purple. If it had a noticely red look I would use blue/green. To avoid going overboard with these colored toners I would also mix in the wood color and test the toner on scrap first. You could also add a very little black if you think your toner needs it. The only time I've used complementary colors on a radio was for a wipe on oil color toner. Back in the days when I refinished furniture for home use I made a lot of stains and toners mixed with poly. All we need is for someone to give it a try. I don't have any lacquer except spray cans at the moment. Stewart Article: 337559 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: Subject: Re: My lucky day! Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:20:16 -0700 Message-ID: > One said $110 and the second was yellow and said SALE- $29. Can't remember the last time I found a deal like that! But then, they don't let me out much any more :-) Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337560 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: My lucky day! Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:22:44 -0600 Message-ID: <12436-44BAD854-1874@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: That is neet ... a new radio project found totaly unexpected is always fun . I didnt know you were going through all that health stuff . Thanks for sharing and glad you are feeling better . I look forward to seeing your new work on the faux for that Philco . About toners . I almost ran out of steem trying to explain that very easy toner mix .. seems like people fight it for reasons unknown . Spray can toners work great ( on trim) but they have to be orderd in these parts $$$ ... the mixture costs penneys and its always on hand . You mix up a 6 oz or so jar of the stuff and just use it when you need it . Each coat gets darker . The small amount of black simply fixes it so you dont need as many coats . Any color can be made . Here is a radio done with it . Dark walnut and ebony Minwax stain in Deft lacquer . Color may ? vary on your monitor . http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Zenith&id=new_001 Article: 337561 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Firestone S7398-1 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:39:09 -0600 Message-ID: <12436-44BADC2D-1875@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: In an AC-DC set ( no transformer ) it is normal for the dial light to come on somewhat bright then die off till the tubes light . The B+ is found first across the filter capacitors . There are many B+ points in a radio but that is a place to start . The capacitor usualy has one ground then 2 or 3 other leads consisting of 2 or 3 capacitors in the same can/part . These points are Power supply B+ . Put the meters black lead on the filters ground then touch the red lead to each other lead coming out of it . It probably simply needs that filter capacitor replaced . As for safety just simply dont stand on a cement floor with no shoes or use old metal test equipment or touch water pipes while touching the radio . I work on those all the time with nothng but a desk and digital multimeter not on cement floors Article: 337562 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <12807-44BA71F0-1967@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <400-44BA7EE6-1451@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> <3Wxug.5314$k31.2459@trnddc06> <1153084675.379521.129170@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: y'all Message-ID: <76Bug.4680$A8.480@trnddc02> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:46:59 GMT "Steven" wrote in message news:1153084675.379521.129170@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > Woody Woodpecker cartoon no doubt > What's really strange is that the Woody Woodpecker Song is the bigger hit. The freakin' Hit Paraders had to sing that stupid thing for several weeks in 1948. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 337563 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Firestone S7398-1 Date: 16 Jul 2006 17:47:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1153097257.089843.43820@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Okay, Jeff, I had a quick look for that Firestone number in Riders and it does not show up. Where did the schematic you have come from?? What you describe with the pilot lamp is quite normal for an AA5 like Aurora said this set is, EXCEPT it goes out and stays out. Normally, on an AA5 with a 35Z5, you would expect the correct pilot lamp [#47 is typical] to flash bright on turn-on, dim down very low then slowly brighten up to about half the initial flash brightness, but there are many variants on that. I doubt you have a tube tester or easy access to one, so there are other tests you can do first: Pull each tube in turn and ensure that they are in the correct socket for the type according to the tube layout diagram on the case or the schematic sheet. While you have each tube out, measure the resistance between pin 2 and 7 [looking at the bottom of the tube, the pins number clockwise from the 'key' on the centre peg] on the 35Z5, 50L6, 12SA7, 12SK7 and betwen pins 7 and 8 of the 12SQ7. In each case you should see a fairly low resistance [continuity]. A question as to where you are going to work on this set: if you are anywhere that there is ANY POSSIBILITY that you might contact ground [kitchen, garage, basement, etc.] you must isolate the set with an isolation transformer when it is out of the fully enclosed case. However, if you are in a bedroom or attic [for example] of a wood frame building, then you can clip the meter to various test points with the radio unplugged, then plug it in for a measurement then unplug before the next test set-up. DO NOT rely on turning the set on and off with it's switch since that does not disconnect power, but often turns off the neutral, rendering the whole radio 'live' and extremely dangerous for possible electrocution!!! As mentioned, it is probable that you will have to replace all the paper capacitors as well as the multi-section electrolytic, and there may be a short in the power supply section. Once you have checked the tube filament continuity as outlined above, it may be worthwhile to assemble a 100W light bulb in series with a short extention cord to test power the radio and see what level of current it draws. Typically when you apply power through a lamp like this, it will flash fairly bright, then dim and after several 10s of seconds it will slowly brighten to a fairly dim glow. If it does not flash at all, then the filament string of the set is open circuit at one or more tubes. If it flashes and dims then brightens up quite bright, then there is likely a short in the B+ circuits of the set. If you supply answers to these questions and the results of these tests, we can point you to the next step. Above all else, BE CAREFUL !! Neil S. The Archer's wrote: > Hi, > > I have recently aquired a Firestone S7398-1 from my grandparents estate. It > is complete and in pretty good shape. When plugged in, the small lamp above > the dial lights briefly, then goes out. No sound, static, or anything. Based > on what I have read, this may be a problem in B+. > > Heres the trouble, I have no clue where to test for B+. I have the radio, > schematic, multimeter, and some basic electronic experience, but no clue > where to begin. I would like to return this radio to service, but obviously > need some direction. Can anyone help a new guy out? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > Geoff Archer > Las Vegas, NV Article: 337564 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:48:20 -0600 Message-ID: <12437-44BADE54-476@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153084439.730770.24260@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> FHA apartment ... The H stands for Headache ... Take her to Arbys .. your good at getting free lunches there . Article: 337565 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: FA - remote control - someone was asking about such a thing a few weeks ago Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:55:59 -0700 Message-ID: a while back someone on this NG was wanting to turn some device on/off via remote control - I don't remember the exact thread - anyway, I've listed a remote control for a ceiling fan (here's the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300008372864 ) and if you use the lamp control part of it, then you will be able to turn on/off a resistive load nicely - if you want to switch a radio on/off or something with a transformer, I'd use a relay driven by the lamp control. As noted in the auction though, this is untested, but I expect it to go cheaply so maybe it's worth watching. Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337566 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Model Railroad paints -- not OT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:18:43 GMT I've run into a dilemma -- and maybe someone out there has a solution. When I work on car radios, be they conversions or restorations, at least 99 out of 100 have a faded dial pointer. Not a problem, as I simply repaint them. Most Motorola and Bendix radios have a metal dial pointer and I just repaint the pointer. Most Delcos have a plastic pointer that's painted on the inside -- wipe it off with lacquer thinner, and repaint. The vast majority of these radios have a fluorescent red dial pointer. I found some Floquil Fluorescent Red-Orange paint at a local model railroad hobby shop -- it's an exact match. Strange, this color is also available in the water-based Polly S version, except it's not quite the same color. It's just a tad more orange -- perfect for certain Mopar radios of the mid 1960's. It seems the tiny bottles of these paints would last a lifetime, but the constant opening-closing causes them to go bad after awhile, so about once a year I have to buy more. A few months ago I did just that, only to find the store no longer carried these colors. So instead I found similar colors in Testor's Model Master. The red stuff works, but is crappy to use -- just not the same. The lighter orange color goes on dull -- often the faded original is better than a repaint. I returned again to the hobby shop for another look -- the store has now closed entirely. Last week I drove up to St. Petersburg and visited two hobby stores, and came up totally empty. I searched for Floquil/Polly S paints in the internet and did not find a corporate website -- but found several online dealers, and none of them made any mention of these two colors. Is the stuff still available? Any suggestions? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 337567 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY,... Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:33:23 -0600 Message-ID: <12436-44BAE8E3-1880@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <8Cxug.721$Xc7.687@newsfe22.lga> First thanks for taking all those pictures .. man oh man ! and taking time to post all those . If i were more of a traveler and had more money to do so i would have gone to that . I remember seeing a story about that KRE building in ARC . Thanks for letting us see inside it . That Wurlitzer jukebox was a STEEL . I would have payed far more than that ! By you price reports it sounds like money was tight . It seems California is so short on radios the locals would have been sweeping the place clean for any prices . If i would have been there i would have been renting a u-haul to get home . Thanks again Article: 337568 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:42:37 -0600 Message-ID: <12437-44BAEB0D-480@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> NOW you guys are BUYING those Craftsmen 800 tuner ????? I tried selling one , gave up and ended up throwing it in the trash can . Geeezzzz . Article: 337569 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Model Railroad paints -- not OT Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:52:15 -0400 Message-ID: <12blragm8prii2d@news.supernews.com> References: "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:TzBug.5483$k31.4739@trnddc06... > I've run into a dilemma -- and maybe someone out there has a solution. Gary, did you try contacting Testors? Looks like Floquil is their brand... http://www.testors.com/brand_category.asp?brandNbr=2 Article: 337570 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: 16 Jul 2006 19:05:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1153101917.748308.158980@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Ken G. wrote: > NOW you guys are BUYING those Craftsmen 800 tuner ????? I tried selling > one , gave up and ended up throwing it in the trash can . Geeezzzz . Ken, I really wasn't looking for one. It was an impulse buy. I ran across it and made a low-ball bid. After I looked at it I realized it had variable output which is what I needed for my Capehart. The chrome chassis is a nice bonus. Article: 337571 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:13:56 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: Re: Model Railroad paints -- not OT References: Message-ID: Gary, I believe Polly S is now called Polly Scale. You can find it on the net. Also, search ebay for floquil and polly scale. These paints always seem to be on sale there. Stewart Article: 337572 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: FS: Antique store- not mine Date: 16 Jul 2006 19:21:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1153102903.761993.132720@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> My brother and I have consigned items (radios and etc) there and also rented a spot. Business was only fair for us. They've been trying to sell for a long time. Florence, CO is a nice place. http://cgi.ebay.com/Established-large-ANTIQUE-STORE-in-beautiful-COLORADO_W0QQitemZ4467331544QQihZ001QQcategoryZ15825QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Article: 337573 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Firestone S7398-1 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:19:10 GMT In article , toxic4@cox.net says... > > Welcome to the world of collecting and fixing up old radios.. #1.. it the bulb lites brightly then the filaments in the rest of the tubes are OK.. #2.. if the bulb at that point is burned out and you have to replace it to repeat the start up flash of the lamp then filament of 35Z5 is bad... you need a tube... Or... If the flash up occurs repeatedly on start up without changing the lamp then it might be wrong bulb ... should be a #47 #3.. as others stated... meter between black and red on one of the electrolitic capacitors... should read B+ of 125 volts or so... #4.. it you read voltage on that point.... then preceed to this... leave black lead of meter on same spot... red lead of meter to pins 3 and 4 of the 50L6 tube... see tube base... locator pin on tube base.. you count pins clockwise from this locator pin ... if you have B+ of 120 volts or so on pin 4 but not on pin 3 then your audio output transformer is open ... thats the little transformer mounted on the speaker or on the chassis with wires to speaker and to pins 3 and 4 of the 50L6 tube... #5... replace the capacitors as others have stated.... this should probably be up closer to the top of this message.... #6.... after all of the above if the thing doesn't work tell us what you have found up to this point... John k9uwa >Hi, > >I have recently aquired a Firestone S7398-1 from my grandparents estate. It >is complete and in pretty good shape. When plugged in, the small lamp above >the dial lights briefly, then goes out. No sound, static, or anything. Based >on what I have read, this may be a problem in B+. >Geoff Archer Article: 337574 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 16 Jul 2006 20:31:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1153107080.703310.172180@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153084439.730770.24260@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Ken G. wrote: > FHA apartment ... The H stands for Headache ... Take her to Arbys .. > your good at getting free lunches there . I don't drive and she really is having bad medical problems. Funny thing is the apartments are 55+ and disabled and many of the problems from Burdic House are much happier there. Article: 337575 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Fred C" Subject: radio bias cells Message-ID: <44bb044d@news.meer.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:08:40 -0400 Early radios often used bias cells that consisted of a cup with material down inside the cup. The purpose was to generate a voltage for bias voltage for tubes. The intention was to draw no current. Which was the positive terminal and what was the terminal voltage of a good cell? Can these be rejuvenated? In a few cases I have replaced them with a watch battery. Mallory manufactured these. Others? I have one old cup that is about 1/4 inch in diameter and another which is about 3/8 inch in diameter. Any and all information will be appreciated. Fred Crews fcrews@meer.net Article: 337576 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: 16 Jul 2006 20:35:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1153107337.074515.253140@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152899973.969042.93370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> AuroraOldRadios wrote: > Ken G. wrote: > > NOW you guys are BUYING those Craftsmen 800 tuner ????? I tried selling > > one , gave up and ended up throwing it in the trash can . Geeezzzz . > > Ken, I really wasn't looking for one. It was an impulse buy. I ran > across it and made a low-ball bid. After I looked at it I realized it > had variable output which is what I needed for my Capehart. The chrome > chassis is a nice bonus. Mom still has that 8-track receiver they bought in about 1970 and it's grand. I have an AC/DC multiband thing from the late 60s...it gives bonus FM coverage on VHF/PS. Otherwise it's not that bad. Article: 337577 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY,... Date: 16 Jul 2006 20:37:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1153107459.187994.147990@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <8Cxug.721$Xc7.687@newsfe22.lga> Ken G. wrote: > First thanks for taking all those pictures .. man oh man ! and taking > time to post all those . If i were more of a traveler and had more money > to do so i would have gone to that . > > I remember seeing a story about that KRE building in ARC . Thanks for > letting us see inside it . > > That Wurlitzer jukebox was a STEEL . I would have payed far more than > that ! By you price reports it sounds like money was tight . It seems > California is so short on radios the locals would have been sweeping the > place clean for any prices . > If i would have been there i would have been renting a u-haul to get > home . > > Thanks again Indeed, CHRS is simply phenomenal for what they can do. Article: 337578 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: y'all Date: 16 Jul 2006 20:42:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1153107736.211088.218150@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <12807-44BA71F0-1967@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Gary Tayman wrote: > "Steven" wrote in message > news:1153084675.379521.129170@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > Woody Woodpecker cartoon no doubt > > > > What's really strange is that the Woody Woodpecker Song is the bigger hit. > The freakin' Hit Paraders had to sing that stupid thing for several weeks in > 1948. As least they didn't have to sing "Physical", "Eye of the Tiger" or "Relax" by Frankie Goes To Hollywood. Article: 337579 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY, CA 7/15/06 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:54:33 GMT In article , scott@scottwharvey.com says... > > >Pictures (many) in binaries..... > > >-Scott > super nice Pictures .. I liked the octagonal dial tombstone.. and Wolfman Jack picture in the station! 600 was a deal on the 9s30 Zenith John k9uwa Article: 337580 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: radio bias cells Date: 16 Jul 2006 20:56:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1153108602.670120.294110@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44bb044d@news.meer.net> Fred, this has been discussed many times over the years and there are notes on rejuvination on some of the restoration web sites. As far an I have seen there were at least two types; the Mallory and another smaller one. The Mallory looks like a classic 'flying saucer'. The black face depressed in the big side is positive and the zinc cup is the negative. These are standard Leclanche cells and are nominally 1.55V when 'new'. I have had a few that were at least 60 years old and still functioning. While rejuvination is fairly easy and about 75% effective, machining a brass carrier for a 'watch battery' is also a good alternative. Just remember that the watch cell must fit in with the terminal button (-) inward and the battery cup (+) facing out, so the brass carrier must have an insulating ring between it's recess and the watch battery side walls. In most applications, the bias voltage is not at all critical and any cell between 1.2 and 1.7V should work fine. Neil S. Fred C wrote: > Early radios often used bias cells that consisted of a cup with material > down inside the cup. The purpose was to generate a voltage for bias voltage > for tubes. The intention was to draw no current. > > Which was the positive terminal and what was the terminal voltage of a good > cell? Can these be rejuvenated? In a few cases I have replaced them with a > watch battery. > > Mallory manufactured these. Others? I have one old cup that is about 1/4 > inch in diameter and another which is about 3/8 inch in diameter. > > Any and all information will be appreciated. > > Fred Crews fcrews@meer.net Article: 337581 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Antique store- not mine Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:28:20 -0400 Message-ID: <12bm4f6lnglsv42@news.supernews.com> References: <1153102903.761993.132720@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> weird listing on ebaY, the text is repeated a bunch of times. Article: 337582 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: Re: Parts question and tale of acquisition Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:43:32 -0700 Message-ID: References: <44b2650f$0$3630$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44B2671F.B61C705D@earthlink.net> <44b2e01e$0$3631$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44B2FC00.D8802252@earthlink.net> <1152722822.455033.219540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <44b59e23$0$3628$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <6KKdnXv13JudBCTZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@insightbb.com> what's killed a lot of experimenters is VLSI and surface mount- you can no longer take apart "stuff" and end up with much of use except some LEDs, wire, and switches. It's almost impossible to build a breadboard with surface mount, and new "stuff" is so cheap that it costs much more to make your own. what to do? I don't know, but it worries me that we no longer have a lot of kids that experiment with physical stuff - just software. Experimenting with software is good, but you also need to experiment with hardware, build go-karts, crystal radios, etc.... >I remember the hoopla in the "Flyer Side Chats" section of the Radio Shack >flyers of the seventies about the number of stores worldwide and the number >of new stores opening that month. Called it the StoreBoard. Sure would be >ironic if they would post the same info, except the numbers running in >reverse. >The electronics experimenter and do it yourselfer is a dying breed . . . . >.and for the few of us out here, there is Mouser. (thank God) >Regards, >Tom > Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337583 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <44b2650f$0$3630$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44B2671F.B61C705D@earthlink.net> <44b2e01e$0$3631$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44B2FC00.D8802252@earthlink.net> <1152722822.455033.219540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <44b59e23$0$3628$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <6KKdnXv13JudBCTZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: Parts question and tale of acquisition Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:07:07 -0400 Message-ID: <44bb2903$0$3671$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" wrote in message news:hgqkb2pj1tppmojibf00e52rd3l12n15i1@4ax.com... > what's killed a lot of experimenters is VLSI and surface mount- you > can no longer take apart "stuff" and end up with much of use except > some LEDs, wire, and switches. It's almost impossible to build a > breadboard with surface mount, and new "stuff" is so cheap that it > costs much more to make your own. > > what to do? I don't know, but it worries me that we no longer have a > lot of kids that experiment with physical stuff - just software. > Experimenting with software is good, but you also need to experiment > with hardware, build go-karts, crystal radios, etc.... > >>I remember the hoopla in the "Flyer Side Chats" section of the Radio Shack >>flyers of the seventies about the number of stores worldwide and the >>number >>of new stores opening that month. Called it the StoreBoard. Sure would be >>ironic if they would post the same info, except the numbers running in >>reverse. >>The electronics experimenter and do it yourselfer is a dying breed . . . . >>.and for the few of us out here, there is Mouser. (thank God) >>Regards, >>Tom >> > Bill > > www.wbnoble.com > > to contact me, do not reply to this message, > instead correct this address and use it > > will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Yeah, sadly you are correct. These kids today - for the most part, don't do any of that fun stuff. You can't get them to cut grass, shovel snow or anything else. Hell, I used to earn quite a bit of dough doing that stuff. I went out looking for jobs to do. I've said it before, I'll say it again - they are hung up on the computers, Ipods and other stuff. Just how do they think that stuff comes about - by magic? "Someone" has to know how to design and build it. Even for those places that "claim" to repair them, someone has to know how to do that too! I sure hope they enjoy their "electronics" while they can. Some day - maybe soon - WE will be Technically "bankrupt". Furthermore, I know SMD is used to save space, etc..... But as we all know, there is NOTHING wrong with using the bigger components. Smaller is not always better. Even if I'm not going ot repair the item, being I'm aging myself, I'd sure in hell like to be able to "SEE" it. There comes a time like now - when technology is self defeating. Article: 337584 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: y'all Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:29:37 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44BB2E51-1945@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <3Wxug.5314$k31.2459@trnddc06> Snuffy Smith had Maw hooked up to the plough,his little brown jug of corn squeezings hanging on the plough handle. Now,you turn to the left when I say Geeeeee,,,,,, and you turn to the right when I say Hawwwww,,,,,,,, Now Geeeeeee,,,,,,,, now Hawwwwww,,,,,,,,,,, cuhulin Article: 337585 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:40:01 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44BB30C1-1946@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153084439.730770.24260@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Well,I am a sixty four year old male and I have always had oversize boobies.I think I am about a D Cup size.Although there are several sizes of D Cup sizes.(I think) I am going to ask one of those women shoppers at the Goodwill store to tell me what size my boobies are.(she will be more than happy to oblige) Then I will head on over to McRae's department store at Metro Center Mall www.metromalljackson.com (it's just across Highway 80 from me) and get one of them wimmins over there to help me pick out a deep push up Wonder Bra. cuhulin Article: 337586 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:41:47 -0500 Message-ID: <19262-44BB312B-487@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153107080.703310.172180@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> If she is having medical problems,get her to a doctor. cuhulin Article: 337587 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: Subject: Re: Model Railroad paints -- not OT Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:01:51 GMT The domestic versions have been reformulated in recent years and some colors dropped but last I looked the old stuff was still available in the UK. Not sure about the color selections though. Testor owns them now (they also swallowed Pactra) and the line is a shadow of its former self. There are different Floquil lines for different markets, btw. Check their automotive, aircraft, military, and gaming figure lines. They may have a day-glo color that is the same or a close match to the old "railroad" color. Ray "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:TzBug.5483$k31.4739@trnddc06... > I've run into a dilemma -- and maybe someone out there has a solution. > > When I work on car radios, be they conversions or restorations, at least > 99 out of 100 have a faded dial pointer. Not a problem, as I simply > repaint them. Most Motorola and Bendix radios have a metal dial pointer > and I just repaint the pointer. Most Delcos have a plastic pointer that's > painted on the inside -- wipe it off with lacquer thinner, and repaint. > > The vast majority of these radios have a fluorescent red dial pointer. I > found some Floquil Fluorescent Red-Orange paint at a local model railroad > hobby shop -- it's an exact match. Strange, this color is also available > in the water-based Polly S version, except it's not quite the same color. > It's just a tad more orange -- perfect for certain Mopar radios of the mid > 1960's. > > It seems the tiny bottles of these paints would last a lifetime, but the > constant opening-closing causes them to go bad after awhile, so about once > a year I have to buy more. A few months ago I did just that, only to find > the store no longer carried these colors. So instead I found similar > colors in Testor's Model Master. The red stuff works, but is crappy to > use -- just not the same. The lighter orange color goes on dull -- often > the faded original is better than a repaint. I returned again to the > hobby shop for another look -- the store has now closed entirely. Last > week I drove up to St. Petersburg and visited two hobby stores, and came > up totally empty. I searched for Floquil/Polly S paints in the internet > and did not find a corporate website -- but found several online dealers, > and none of them made any mention of these two colors. > > Is the stuff still available? Any suggestions? > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > Article: 337588 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Model Railroad paints -- not OT Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:07:32 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44BB3734-1949@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Drop some marbles,clean pieces of gravel,whatever inside the bottle of paint,so as to displace the air space in the bottles.Tighten the lid back on securely.Ever opened up a can of house paint before and some of the paint had already been used before? You know how thick that paint skin on top can get. cuhulin Article: 337589 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44BB3870-1950@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153101917.748308.158980@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Everything Old is New again. cuhulin Article: 337590 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY, Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:52:22 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1153080762.888891.243530@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Eddie Brimer wrote: > > 250.00 for that juke? wish i would have been there. do you remember > how much that nice victrola went for?....just so i can grieve. > I don't remember all the prices, just the ones on items that really stood out from the crowd. I'm not a big phono fan, but I do know that The Victrolas (there were several) went relatively cheap compared to the prices I see discussed here. BTW, That phono you see in a couple of the photos with the 2x4's around it is an Edison that had never been completely uncrated. It had suffered some shipping damage when originally shipped from the factory and sat in the back of a dealership for about 50 years. It has never been used and all the parts with the exception of the one side that was damaged was in mint condition. How many of those do you see anymore? I nearly collapsed on the floor with astonishment when I saw the final price of that jukebox. It had a missing coin-op mechanism, but still....This is the kind of thing that would look cool in many homes, even one owned by someone who isn't necessary a vintage radio person. If I had had an appropriate vehicle to haul it Saturday, I would have bid $300.00 and gotten it myself. -Scott Article: 337591 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY,... Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:56:33 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8Cxug.721$Xc7.687@newsfe22.lga> <12436-44BAE8E3-1880@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> Ken G. wrote: > That Wurlitzer jukebox was a STEEL . I would have payed far more than > that ! By you price reports it sounds like money was tight . It seems > California is so short on radios the locals would have been sweeping the > place clean for any prices . I think a lot of guys in our club have reached a saturation point of real estate that they can devote to the large radio items. Sales of the tombstones was brisk, the consoles considerably less so. -Scott Article: 337592 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <19261-44BB3734-1949@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Model Railroad paints -- not OT Message-ID: <6mIug.5514$k31.4016@trnddc06> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:01:54 GMT The big thing on the model paints is to clean the top of the jar each time, and store the paint upside-down. This is a big help in terms of paint longevity. I've got some old-formula Floquil colors that have been around for many years -- some in the old square bottles. However when this paint is opened/closed/used several times a day, after a couple years it's inevtiable. I guess the answer is that apparently Testor's has purchased this line, and dropped/changed some of the colors. Someone pointed me to a website, and I've sent an e-mail to them, asking their advice. We'll see what they say. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com wrote in message news:19261-44BB3734-1949@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net... > Drop some marbles,clean pieces of gravel,whatever inside the bottle of > paint,so as to displace the air space in the bottles.Tighten the lid > back on securely.Ever opened up a can of house paint before and some of > the paint had already been used before? You know how thick that paint > skin on top can get. > cuhulin > Article: 337593 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "n cook" Subject: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:04:34 +0100 Message-ID: Proudly stating "British Made" What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type 460, TCC type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? Is it the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as 50Kohm. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Article: 337594 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <12807-44BA71F0-1967@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <400-44BA7EE6-1451@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> <3Wxug.5314$k31.2459@trnddc06> <1153084675.379521.129170@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <76Bug.4680$A8.480@trnddc02> <1153107736.211088.218150@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: y'all Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:17:38 GMT "Steven" wrote in message news:1153107736.211088.218150@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > > As least they didn't have to sing "Physical", "Eye of the Tiger" or > "Relax" by Frankie Goes To Hollywood. > No, but they did get stuck with doing "Hound Dog" on TV, with appropriate stage settings, week after week after week. I've never watched the TV version, but I understand the "Hound Dog" bit was pretty silly, embarrassing for them, and it was this song that caused the ratings to really plummet and eventually bring an end to the program. Maybe this song more than others at the moment, but there was also an underlying fundamental problem. Before the rock 'n roll era, if a song came out on sheet music it would be recorded by Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Johnny Mercer, and a host of others. Pick your favorite artist -- buy his version of the record. Beginning in the mid-1950's, the performance was as big a hit as the song itself. If you wanted to hear "Hound Dog", you wanted the Elvis version; not Roy Orbison or Fats Domino. The Hit Paraders and the Lucky Strike Orchestra, who formerly did everything else extremely well, didn't cut it when it came to doo-wops and everything that came along afterward. Actually, "Eye Of The Tiger" might not be a bad one to try, but imagine trying to do "Life Is A Rock" or "We Didn't Start The Fire." -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 337595 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rheilly Phoull" References: Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:35:21 +0800 Message-ID: <44bb59d4$0$23420$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au> n cook wrote: > Proudly stating "British Made" > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type > 460, TCC type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go > so leaky ? Is it the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water > vapour over time. ? > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as > 50Kohm. These were the start of planned obsolescence :-) My guess is the wax as you say or bad manufacturing process. -- Cheers ......... Rheilly P Where theres a will, I want to be in it. Article: 337596 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: An aside about my neighbor (brevity preferred) Date: 17 Jul 2006 02:45:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1153129541.984638.130400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153107080.703310.172180@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > If she is having medical problems,get her to a doctor. > cuhulin They're ONGOING, not an emergency, and she is waiting for her medical benefits to reauthorize a previously useful treatment. If she had a very serious problem she or anybody else would call paramedics if she couldn't drive herself. Thank you for all your concern, though, quite seriously. Article: 337597 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: 17 Jul 2006 02:53:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1153129985.744198.214350@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Rheilly Phoull wrote: > n cook wrote: > > Proudly stating "British Made" > > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type > > 460, TCC type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go > > so leaky ? Is it the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water > > vapour over time. ? > > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as > > 50Kohm. > > These were the start of planned obsolescence :-) > My guess is the wax as you say or bad manufacturing process. > > -- > > Cheers ......... Rheilly P > > Where theres a will, I want to be in it. You can't top my nym of Dr. Antichrist PhD though. Well it could be fun to make a dash at it... The concept of planned obsolescence was made feasible and completely successful by the last 40 years of my life. Article: 337598 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: 17 Jul 2006 02:54:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1153130048.110141.166620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153101917.748308.158980@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Everything Old is New again. > cuhulin I feel newly old. Article: 337599 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: 17 Jul 2006 03:09:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1153130966.967697.288610@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Gary Tayman wrote: > My wife was watching TV, and I heard them covering the launch of the space > shuttle. So I decided to go outside to watch. I took the H-500 > Transoceanic with me, but could not find a radio station that was covering > it. > > In any case, I watched, and watched, and watched, but didn't see no stinkin' > shuttle! There must've been a cloud in just the right place. Usually I can > indeed see it from my driveway, looking just over the house. Neighbors also > were outside looking, but could not find it. > > Normally, during the day it looks like an airplane flying overhead, but > brighter and headed straight up. At night you see a vertical bright line in > the sky. This, from Sarasota which is on the west coast -- across the state > from Cape Canaveral. > > I definitely know when it lands here -- I hear the sonic boom. > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com Don't tell anybody but it's having it's ride pimped. Wait til you see the rims... Article: 337600 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Sherwin" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:04:34 +0100, n cook wrote: > Proudly stating "British Made" > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type 460, TCC > type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? Is it > the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as 50Kohm. Yes, the wax is hygroscopic. The problem isn't restricted to British caps, most non-tropicalised consumer grade paper caps from the 40s and 50s will be leaky now. Paul Article: 337601 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "n cook" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:02:14 +0100 Message-ID: References: Paul Sherwin wrote in message news:e9fpoh$88t$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk... > On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:04:34 +0100, n cook wrote: > > > Proudly stating "British Made" > > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type 460, TCC > > type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? Is it > > the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? > > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as 50Kohm. > > Yes, the wax is hygroscopic. The problem isn't restricted to British caps, > most non-tropicalised consumer grade paper caps from the 40s and 50s will > be leaky now. > > Paul If they were not wax covered would they still have been be problematic ? Understandable in a damp environment but indoors would dampness get in the paper and not evaporate again if not waxed, the use of wax sealing the dampness/vapour/condensate insde each cap? -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Article: 337602 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: robert m. email me please Date: 17 Jul 2006 05:17:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1153138657.635202.264420@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> got the AK 44. need to know the shipping amount and can't find your email address. or...if anyone else knows it....... thanks, eddie Article: 337603 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry S" Subject: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 17 Jul 2006 05:27:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Ebay 140008705089 Not mine. But looks cool. Terry. Article: 337604 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Model Railroad paints -- not OT References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:27:56 -0400 I have found a first coat of white, such as Kills, makes the fluorescence brighter. Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > I've run into a dilemma -- and maybe someone out there has a solution. > > When I work on car radios, be they conversions or restorations, at least 99 > out of 100 have a faded dial pointer. Not a problem, as I simply repaint > them. Most Motorola and Bendix radios have a metal dial pointer and I just > repaint the pointer. Most Delcos have a plastic pointer that's painted on > the inside -- wipe it off with lacquer thinner, and repaint. > > The vast majority of these radios have a fluorescent red dial pointer. I > found some Floquil Fluorescent Red-Orange paint at a local model railroad > hobby shop -- it's an exact match. Strange, this color is also available in > the water-based Polly S version, except it's not quite the same color. It's > just a tad more orange -- perfect for certain Mopar radios of the mid > 1960's. > > It seems the tiny bottles of these paints would last a lifetime, but the > constant opening-closing causes them to go bad after awhile, so about once a > year I have to buy more. A few months ago I did just that, only to find the > store no longer carried these colors. So instead I found similar colors in > Testor's Model Master. The red stuff works, but is crappy to use -- just > not the same. The lighter orange color goes on dull -- often the faded > original is better than a repaint. I returned again to the hobby shop for > another look -- the store has now closed entirely. Last week I drove up to > St. Petersburg and visited two hobby stores, and came up totally empty. I > searched for Floquil/Polly S paints in the internet and did not find a > corporate website -- but found several online dealers, and none of them made > any mention of these two colors. > > Is the stuff still available? Any suggestions? > > > Article: 337605 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: My lucky day! References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:34:44 -0400 Thanks to Stewart I have started patching small blemishes with oil paints. I also have mixed oil paints with oil stain with good results, but shake well before using, it will seperate. Mixing oil base stain with lac was ok, but tricky, got to watch the proportions. It's easy to end up with a sticky surface, but a days drying helps. Keep us posted, Stewart. Ken Stewart Schooley wrote: > Went to a craft and antique mall today and found just what I was looking > for. A Philco with photofinish. It is a 37-33 and in pretty good shape. > I'll put a photo on the binary page. > > Best of all it had two tags on it. One said $110 and the second was > yellow and said SALE- $29. I grabbed it. > > Last summer I started work on creating a large burl pattern, but working > from photos from the internet really didn't work to get as exact a > duplicate as I want. I knew I would have to get a radio to work from. > Plus I had some health problems, my wife's health problems are forever, > which makes me a house husband and I was getting to be like the guy who > says, "If I can't have her, I'll kill her". > > With the little time I have for radio work I was ready to throw in the > towel, get rid of the few radios I have, and walk away from the hobby. > > Now I am energized. I intend to duplicate this radio's photofinish and > do it well enough that its use will be accepted by this group. There's > nothing like having a clear goal. > > After this I will move to the Philco 37- 620 and 37-361 > > Stewart > Article: 337606 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" Subject: Re: radio bias cells Date: 17 Jul 2006 06:05:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1153141522.661094.200180@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <44bb044d@news.meer.net> Fred C wrote: > Early radios often used bias cells that consisted of a cup with material > down inside the cup. The purpose was to generate a voltage for bias voltage > for tubes. The intention was to draw no current. > > Which was the positive terminal and what was the terminal voltage of a good > cell? Can these be rejuvenated? In a few cases I have replaced them with a > watch battery. > > Mallory manufactured these. Others? I have one old cup that is about 1/4 > inch in diameter and another which is about 3/8 inch in diameter. > > Any and all information will be appreciated. The problem with bias cells is not that their voltage drops over time, but that their internal impedance increases over time making them less effective at coupling (even given the large tube impedance they couple into.) In fact bias cells as commonly employed (say into the first audio stage triode) are actually being CHARGED by the miniscule space-charge grid leakage currents. Tim. Article: 337607 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44BB94E4.A7818877@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s References: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:47:46 GMT n cook wrote: > > If they were not wax covered would they still have been be problematic ? > Understandable in a damp environment but indoors would dampness get in the > paper and not evaporate again if not waxed, the use of wax sealing the > dampness/vapour/condensate insde each cap? Some of the wax boils away over time, and they made the capacitors out of what was available at the time. Thermal cycling will let moisture into the capacitor as the coating starts to break down. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337608 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:00:13 -0500 Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? From: John Stone Message-ID: References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> On 7/17/06 7:27 AM, in article 1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, "Terry S" wrote: > 140008705089 Very cool! Obviously the tubes are only used for amplification and magic eye. Looks like it was made in China.Even though FM stereo is mentioned, I can't see where there is a stereo amplifier as there is a single 6U8 driver tube The 6E2 appears to be a Chinese version of the EM87. So I guess there is a solid state stereo tuner in there driving a mono push pull audio amplifier. They also mention a magnetically shielded speaker, but the pictures clearly show a non shielded speaker. Still, pretty unique for a modern radio. Article: 337609 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Parts question and tale of acquisition Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:36:25 -0700 Message-ID: <17499-44BBA069-868@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> References: <44bb2903$0$3671$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> From: postmasternospam@clfurentnospam.com (clfe): >I know SMD is used to save space, >etc..... But as we all know, there is >NOTHING wrong with using the bigger >components. Smaller is not always >better..... I'd sure in hell like to be able to >"SEE" it. There comes a time like now - >when technology is self defeating. Woof. Is that ever the truth. These friggin' cell phones being a major case in point. The !@#$%^&* things must be made for girl midgets with teeny-tiny hands. I had to carve a 'normal' size case for mine out of hard balsa wood (a spinoff of model planes) just to be able to hold the thing and have it 'feel' like a telephone handset. Said case also protects it. But the damn keypad is still 'way too small. Rant over.:-) oc Article: 337610 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: isotope115@yahoo.com Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY, CA 7/15/06 Date: 17 Jul 2006 07:51:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1153147911.937279.95650@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: I have looked high and low never been able to locate the binary group with radio photos. Can someone clue me in as to the specific name of the group? Is it not carried on some of the servers? Ken Article: 337611 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: 17 Jul 2006 08:00:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1153148416.223932.174400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: The leakage is not an issue of moisture migrating into the capacitor 'jellyroll' slug directly, but once there is some moisture in the slug in combination with the sulphites in the kraft paper, they promote aluminum ions of the foil in the slug to begin to migrate into the paper dielectric. These ions eventually cause leakage paths to form through the paper, or worse, cause a moderately high conductive path that, with a high bias voltage, will cause it to carbonize and cause a high leakage path or full short. If the cap moves to a dry location the moisture theoretically will migrate out again, but the ionic migration does not reverse--just slows down. The "tropical" wax that I use in paper cap rebuilding may be somewhat better than the 'filled' potting and slug waxes of consumer grade paper caps, but it's main difference is the anti-fungicides it contains to delay the formation of molds and mill-dew on the organic components. Neil S. n cook wrote: > Proudly stating "British Made" > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type 460, TCC > type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? Is it > the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as 50Kohm. > > -- > Diverse Devices, Southampton, England > electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Article: 337612 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Where's the shuttle? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:57:56 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44BBA574-1555@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153130966.967697.288610@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> This morning,I watched Space Shuttle Discovery come in for a safe landing on the NASA tv channel.It never fails to amaze me.Wellcome Home,Astronauts. cuhulin Article: 337613 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY, References: <1153147911.937279.95650@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:08:01 GMT alt.binaries.pictures.radio isotope115@yahoo.com wrote: > I have looked high and low never been able to locate the binary group > with radio photos. Can someone clue me in as to the specific name of > the group? Is it not carried on some of the servers? > > Ken > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337614 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:00:34 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44BBA612-1556@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153130048.110141.166620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Depending on ''whatever'',once in a while I feel like I am sixteen again. cuhulin Article: 337615 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: y'all Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:08:23 -0500 Message-ID: <400-44BBA7E7-1557@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: When I used to work at that (now defunct) auto/truck/lawn mower battery factory in Florence,Mississippi back in the 1980's,Eye of the Tiger was a big hit on some of those peoples radios in there.Me,I always listened to talk radio on my G.E.Long Distance Radio while I was working.That battery acid ate all of the chrome looking paint off of my radio. cuhulin Article: 337616 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "ptrisha" Subject: sparton bluebird Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:45:44 -0400 Message-ID: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> I have a sparton bluebird radio in original condition . I believe the condition is very good . it has never been restored. there are no chips in the blue glass, however some black is missing from the back. i will be selling the radio on ebay soon but would rather just sell to someone without going that route. if interested, please let me know. Article: 337617 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44bbb4b1$0$31640$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Date: 17 Jul 2006 16:02:57 GMT Terry S wrote: > Ebay 140008705089 > Not mine. But looks cool. Looks like a hybrid design using (new or NOS?) Russian tubes. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 337618 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: More Selectivity? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:06:41 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44BBB591-1978@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <44B01BEA.7199CA3F@earthlink.net> All I do is dial around the dial.Whatever I pick up is what I pick up. cuhulin Article: 337619 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: GAS, LANSING and YOU! Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:08:56 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44BBB618-1979@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Brough one here to Jackson,Mississippi.I might go. cuhulin Article: 337620 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:13:01 -0500 Message-ID: <19261-44BBB70D-1980@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Although I am not from Indiana (I like Indiana) I lived in Martinsville,Indiana in 1947.Indiana wimmins,I am too sexy for me shirt. cuhulin Article: 337621 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Upcoming Swap Meet Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:15:21 -0500 Message-ID: <19263-44BBB799-121@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Where the H.L is Mississippi? cuhulin Article: 337622 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "n cook" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:37:59 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1153148416.223932.174400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> nesesu wrote in message news:1153148416.223932.174400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > The leakage is not an issue of moisture migrating into the capacitor > 'jellyroll' slug directly, but once there is some moisture in the slug > in combination with the sulphites in the kraft paper, they promote > aluminum ions of the foil in the slug to begin to migrate into the > paper dielectric. These ions eventually cause leakage paths to form > through the paper, or worse, cause a moderately high conductive path > that, with a high bias voltage, will cause it to carbonize and cause a > high leakage path or full short. If the cap moves to a dry location the > moisture theoretically will migrate out again, but the ionic migration > does not reverse--just slows down. > The "tropical" wax that I use in paper cap rebuilding may be somewhat > better than the 'filled' potting and slug waxes of consumer grade paper > caps, but it's main difference is the anti-fungicides it contains to > delay the formation of molds and mill-dew on the organic components. > > Neil S. > > n cook wrote: > > Proudly stating "British Made" > > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type 460, TCC > > type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? Is it > > the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? > > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as 50Kohm. > > > > -- > > Diverse Devices, Southampton, England > > electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on > > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ > Strange thing this mold/midew stuff, this is one of the strangest fault causes I've ever had Scopex 14D10 scope Nasty noise from the ps and nothing else. Using an isolation transformer and observing on a scope there was low level oscillation of the smps and one burst of oscillator per cycle of the mains.This smps is the type with the oscillator on the mains side of the pulse transformer. All active components seemed ok and no leaky caps. Putting a dc supply across the oscillator and varying the voltage the drive to the main trannie changed state at about 20V.Disconnecting the pulse transformer and testing with a megger (high v insulayion tester) there was no interwinding breakdown and the inductance of the coils looked right (no shorted turns).Eventually found the O/P was being loaded by a faulty opto-isolator that gates the beam current.It was ohmic between I/P and O/P so removed and cracked open with mole grips (vice grip locking pliers).Looking at the transparent bridge under a 30x microscope there were tiny circles of mold or fungus that had grown and coalesced forming a resistive bridge between I/P and O/P. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Article: 337623 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44BBBC34.BFA28893@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Parts question and tale of acquisition References: <44bb2903$0$3671$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <17499-44BBA069-868@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:35:32 GMT Bill Sheppard wrote: > > From: postmasternospam@clfurentnospam.com (clfe): > > >I know SMD is used to save space, > >etc..... But as we all know, there is > >NOTHING wrong with using the bigger > >components. Smaller is not always > >better..... I'd sure in hell like to be able to >"SEE" it. There comes > a time like now - > >when technology is self defeating. > > Woof. Is that ever the truth. These friggin' cell phones being a major > case in point. The !@#$%^&* things must be made for girl midgets with > teeny-tiny hands. I had to carve a 'normal' size case for mine out of > hard balsa wood (a spinoff of model planes) just to be able to hold the > thing and have it 'feel' like a telephone handset. Said case also > protects it. But the damn keypad is still 'way too small. Rant over.:-) > oc Of course they're too small. They were design and made for Asians who are typically smaller than people of European decent. Look at imported clothes. Their XL is barely a small. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337624 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44BBBE1A.2B458A40@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY, CA References: <1153147911.937279.95650@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:43:38 GMT isotope115@yahoo.com wrote: > > I have looked high and low never been able to locate the binary group > with radio photos. Can someone clue me in as to the specific name of > the group? Is it not carried on some of the servers? > > Ken Google doesn't give you access to any binaries newsgroup. You have to use a real news server. You are posting from a Comcast account. I thought they had their own news server farm. Here you go: -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337625 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: progress on the frankenzenith Date: 17 Jul 2006 10:18:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1153156688.873049.269100@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: most people reference an object from 12 o'clock, not 6 o'clock. particularly when terms like "clockwise" are used. suppose the tube manuals had the locating pin shown at 9 o'clock? would you refer to pin one as UP? and pin 8 as DOWN? or if the manual had the pin pictured at 8 o'clock.....would you say kinda up and to the left?LOL Hagstar wrote: > "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message > news:1152995262.226153.287030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > > first pin to the right of locating pin looking from the bottom. > > > > And then we jump clockwise OVER the locating pin to number 2 ????? You > start at the locating pin, the first one going clockwise is #1, that's on > the left side of the pin. If I'm wrong it's amazing how many hundreds of > radios I've rebuilt that way. > > John H. Article: 337626 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: fmmck@aol.com (Fred McKenzie) Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:52:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: In article , "n cook" wrote: > Proudly stating "British Made" > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type 460, TCC > type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? Is it > the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as 50Kohm. N. Cook- Neil pegged it. It isn't the wax that is hygroscopic as much as the paper used as a dielectric in such capacitors made until the late 50s. As a teenager, I had collected boxes of components by canibalizing equipment from a local Radio-TV repairman's trash bin. When I saved up enough money to buy a multimeter, I found that over 90 percent of the paper capacitors were leaky, and may have been the cause of the equipment failure. I learned quickly that the first step in repairing old radios, was to replace all the paper capacitors. Somewhere around 1957, the capacitor companys started using plastic dielectric, sometimes in combination with paper. Names like "Mylar", "Dipped Mylar" and "Paper-Mylar" were used to describe these newer capacitors. From my viewpoint, that marked a turning point in the reliability of electronic circuits. I understand that some people who restore antique radios, will use the case of a paper capacitor, replace the core with a mylar capacitor and seal it again with wax. Fred Article: 337627 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "The Archer's" References: Subject: Re: Firestone S7398-1 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:10:48 -0700 Thanks to everyone for the help! I have plenty of direction now and should be able to update the group in a day or so. Don't want to rush through this thing. I have a capacitor set on the way and now its time to check tubes. Geoff "The Archer's" wrote in message news:wrxug.13678$Nv.11951@fed1read10... > Hi, > > I have recently aquired a Firestone S7398-1 from my grandparents estate. > It is complete and in pretty good shape. When plugged in, the small lamp > above the dial lights briefly, then goes out. No sound, static, or > anything. Based on what I have read, this may be a problem in B+. > > Heres the trouble, I have no clue where to test for B+. I have the radio, > schematic, multimeter, and some basic electronic experience, but no clue > where to begin. I would like to return this radio to service, but > obviously need some direction. Can anyone help a new guy out? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > Geoff Archer > Las Vegas, NV > Article: 337628 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:48:48 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: Subminiature Tube Radio Message-ID: References: <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In article <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Dave.H" wrote: > I was browsing the galleries at RadiolaGuy.com, and came across a > subminiature tube radio with a very peculiar speaker. It has no > visible magnet. How would this work? > > View the photo at http://www.radiolaguy.com/images/Motorola53LC2i.jpg I don't know about the speaker but I see three subminiature tubes and one regular miniature tube inside this radio, does anyone know what function the regular miniature tube performs in the circuit? Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 337629 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Model Railroad paints -- not OT References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:54:19 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > > It seems the tiny bottles of these paints would last a lifetime, but the > constant opening-closing causes them to go bad after awhile, so about once a > year I have to buy more. A trick I've done with paint containers is, after tightly securing the lid or cap, to turn the container upside down for several seconds, then right side up again. What this does is to let the paint inside to find and seal up any pinhole gaps in the lid. The paint would dry in the pinhole cracks and thus block the vapors from most of the paint in the container from getting out. Article: 337630 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Subminiature Tube Radio References: <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:07:11 GMT > > I don't know about the speaker but I see three subminiature tubes and one > regular miniature tube inside this radio, does anyone know what function > the regular miniature tube performs in the circuit? > IIRC, that is likely a 1R5 converter tube. Article: 337631 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:15:46 GMT > Very cool! Obviously the tubes are only used for amplification and magic > eye. Looks like it was made in China.Even though FM stereo is mentioned, I > can't see where there is a stereo amplifier as there is a single 6U8 driver > tube The 6E2 appears to be a Chinese version of the EM87. So I guess there > is a solid state stereo tuner in there driving a mono push pull audio > amplifier. Is there a stereo headphone jack? Otherwise there would be no point in demodulating the stereo signal if the audio amp was mono. The tuner board looks like something used in clock radios. If so, then you could recreate this set by strapping a clock radio radio circuit board to a small mono audio amp. Maybe I'd go as far as replacing the solid state FM ratio detector diodes with vacuum tube ones, so the audio signal never touches any evil solid state devices.... :-) Article: 337632 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:43:26 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: Subminiature Tube Radio Message-ID: References: <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In article , robert casey wrote: > > > > I don't know about the speaker but I see three subminiature tubes and one > > regular miniature tube inside this radio, does anyone know what function > > the regular miniature tube performs in the circuit? > > > > IIRC, that is likely a 1R5 converter tube. It can't be the converter tube, the last digit of the tube number is a "4" which can be clearly seen in the photo, I'm guessing that it is the audio power tube, either a 1S4 or a 3S4. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 337633 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: 17 Jul 2006 13:15:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1153167351.492593.152770@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: nesesu wrote: > The leakage is not an issue of moisture migrating into the capacitor > 'jellyroll' slug directly, but once there is some moisture in the slug > in combination with the sulphites in the kraft paper, I wonder if this is part of what kills a supposedly better-sealed "Black Beauty" (paper cap sealed in a molded plastic capsule)? -- Stephanie Weil New York, USA Article: 337634 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: Subminiature Tube Radio Date: 17 Jul 2006 13:17:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1153167433.405856.139720@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Brenda Ann wrote: > I've had speakers like that. The magnet structure is on the front of the > speaker. Allows for a thinner case on the radio. Same deal in a French "SONOLOR" portable I have. Let's hope the damned thing never goes bad. >_< -- Stephanie Weil New York, USA Article: 337635 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 17 Jul 2006 14:03:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1153170225.606539.193250@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Smokey wrote: > Too bad Steph Weil's legitimate question gets bombarded with so many > frivolous and inane answers. Actually I didn't mind the side-commentary on MWC, since a few people had already answered the original question. :) -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY Article: 337636 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: ALL BUT FORGOTTEN Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:37:42 -0500 Message-ID: <21080-44BC0326-334@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> SEVERAL YEARS AGO I USED LEFT OVER LENGTHS OF DOWEL FROM MAKNG LOOP ANTENNAS AS THE HANDLE FOR A TIME SAVER USED TO COIL THE ENDS A CAPACITORS BEFORE INSTALLING THEM ON THE STUB LEFT OF THE OLD CAPACITOR. TODAY I RECEIVED AN ORDER FOR DIAL COVER KIT, THE GENTLEMAN WAS KIND ENOUGH TO STATE THAT HE STILL USES IT AND THAT IT WAS A VERY HELPFUL GADGET. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337637 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken W Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Message-ID: References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1152943241.197989.139630@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44B9A081.E65BADD3@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:55:51 GMT Man. You guys are brutal... ...talking about a guys mom and sis that way. ;) -Ken W > > >Be out with two girls! > > > > > > > > > > You taking them to a phat farm or just another buffet? > > > Want to bet they'll all be wearing the same dress? > > > Article: 337638 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Subminiature Tube Radio References: <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:57:07 GMT John Byrns wrote: > > > It can't be the converter tube, the last digit of the tube number is a "4" > which can be clearly seen in the photo, I'm guessing that it is the audio > power tube, either a 1S4 or a 3S4. > > Good eyes, John. Now that I look at it, I agree. Article: 337639 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s References: <1153148416.223932.174400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:01:46 GMT nesesu wrote: > The leakage is not an issue of moisture migrating into the capacitor > 'jellyroll' slug directly, but once there is some moisture in the slug > in combination with the sulphites in the kraft paper, they promote > aluminum ions of the foil in the slug to begin to migrate into the > paper dielectric. These ions eventually cause leakage paths to form > through the paper, or worse, cause a moderately high conductive path > that, with a high bias voltage, will cause it to carbonize and cause a > high leakage path or full short. If the cap moves to a dry location the > moisture theoretically will migrate out again, but the ionic migration > does not reverse--just slows down. MY father had mentioned (back in the early 1970's) that placing an AA5 chassis full of wax caps in a warm oven would bake out the moisture. Back then it might have been a reasonable thing to do, but today the chemical breakdowns and ion movement precludes anything other than a recap. I had an Emerson model 708 AA5 that I could not fix. Changed every cap and resistor, no go. Tubes too. Later on I found out about silver migration in IF transformer mica wafer caps. And this was in 1971... Article: 337640 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:06:10 -0400 "Terry S" wrote in message news:1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > Ebay 140008705089 > > Not mine. But looks cool. > > Terry. Tuning eye and audio _only_ are tubes...Rest is undoubtly cheap Asian electronics. I'd love to have a peek at the chassis. Aesthetic is quite good. Hope it doesn't turn out to be a cheap repro just like the Grundig reissue with a "genuine" wood cabinet. Syl Article: 337641 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:05:24 -0400 "Paul Sherwin" wrote in message news:e9fpoh$88t$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk... > On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:04:34 +0100, n cook wrote: > >> Proudly stating "British Made" >> What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type 460, >> TCC >> type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? Is >> it >> the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? >> On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as >> 50Kohm. > > Yes, the wax is hygroscopic. The problem isn't restricted to British caps, > most non-tropicalised consumer grade paper caps from the 40s and 50s will > be leaky now. > > Paul ALL paper caps go bad with time, whether they are "tropicalized" or sealed like the infamous Black Beauty. Oil caps on the other hand have a pretty good lifetime. I have a Russian made radio and the sealed oil caps are still good. There are no paper/wax caps in that radio. Parts are military grade, and I mean military grade. Syl Article: 337642 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <44bb2903$0$3671$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <17499-44BBA069-868@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> <44BBBC34.BFA28893@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Parts question and tale of acquisition Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:53:56 -0400 Message-ID: <44bc14fc$0$3658$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44BBBC34.BFA28893@earthlink.net... > Bill Sheppard wrote: >> >> From: postmasternospam@clfurentnospam.com (clfe): >> >> >I know SMD is used to save space, >> >etc..... But as we all know, there is >> >NOTHING wrong with using the bigger >> >components. Smaller is not always >> >better..... I'd sure in hell like to be able to >"SEE" it. There comes >> a time like now - >> >when technology is self defeating. >> >> Woof. Is that ever the truth. These friggin' cell phones being a major >> case in point. The !@#$%^&* things must be made for girl midgets with >> teeny-tiny hands. I had to carve a 'normal' size case for mine out of >> hard balsa wood (a spinoff of model planes) just to be able to hold the >> thing and have it 'feel' like a telephone handset. Said case also >> protects it. But the damn keypad is still 'way too small. Rant over.:-) >> oc > > > Of course they're too small. They were design and made for Asians > who are typically smaller than people of European decent. Look at > imported clothes. Their XL is barely a small. > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Boy you said a mouthful there with the differences in sizes of clothes. I had a japanese doctor ask me once how I liked working on electronics. I said - its' ok if I can get in there to get the parts out. "Your" people have such small fingers and cram that stuff in - us americans have larger fingers and can't get to them as easy. He laughed............ Article: 337643 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Another frustrating one Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:05:45 GMT Okay guys, I've got another one that's got my goat. This is an F-1440, radio from a 37 Ford. This radio has been a mess -- I've spent so many hours on it that the customer probably owes me the car. But I've rebuilt the thing end to end, and it's playing beautifully -- well, almost. When I service one of these radios, I start by removing the vibrator and rectifier. Then with a 6 volt power supply to the filaments, and a 250 volt DC supply to the B+, I apply power, monitoring current all the while. Once I had the radio playing, I then replaced caps, a couple at a time, checking periodically to ensure everything's still playing as good or better than a few minutes ago. The very last caps to be replaced were the filters, which were still good but -- you know -- replace them. Again, apply power, radio sounds great. So -- time to do the very last thing. Install a new vibrator, install the rectifier, and play the radio under its own power. As soon as the rectifier (84) warms up, it starts to pull current HARD! Remove the 84 and test -- current is fine. Reinstall the 84, strong current. Remove the 84 and reconnect the power supply, radio plays fine. Without the rectifier I get about 360 volts AC from either side of the power transformer secondary to ground, around 700 across it entirely. Any ideas? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 337644 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:14:11 -0400 "John Stone" wrote in message news:C0E1021D.4F785%jmsent2@comcast.net... > They also mention a magnetically shielded speaker, but the > pictures clearly show a non shielded speaker. They could have glued another magnet with opposite polarity on top of the speaker magnet. I do this evetytime I need to shield standard speakers. It's pretty cost effective and quite easy to do. I buy cheap car speakers at my surplus store for 1$ a piece (large magnet, 5" Delco speakers) Syl Article: 337645 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Geary Morton Subject: Re: Subminiature Tube Radio References: <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:19:43 -0400 Message-ID: In article , jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote: > In article <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > "Dave.H" wrote: > > > I was browsing the galleries at RadiolaGuy.com, and came across a > > subminiature tube radio with a very peculiar speaker. It has no > > visible magnet. How would this work? > > > > View the photo at http://www.radiolaguy.com/images/Motorola53LC2i.jpg > I would reckon the magnet is in the front of the speaker, probably to save space for the battery. I've seen this before where the magnet assembly is suspended on a frame in the front. The wires attach to a voice coil just like a conventional speaker. Geary Raleigh, NC Article: 337646 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: pgonshor@aol.com Subject: Tubes for sale Date: 17 Jul 2006 16:31:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1153179084.407801.11460@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Clearing out some excess stock. I have the following tubes for sale. Most are used and checked. I do have a limited quantity of new tubes of these types. Prices are for used tubes. 5U4GB or 5U4G $3 Some GA's also available. 26 $3 (ST only) 27 $1 (ST only) EL34 $10 EL84 $3 6L6GC $6 6U8A $1 6SN7 $2 12AX7 $2 25L6 $1 7199 $4 Bulk metal octals, 10/$1, random types. I have many other types at reasonable prices. Email for availability. Please, minimum order of $20, not including shipping. You pay shipping. Please, at these prices, no picking of brands. Tubes guaranteed to have good emission and no shorts, or your money back. Thanks, Dave Article: 337647 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Another frustrating one References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:30:33 -0400 You could try a couple diodes in place of the 84. I always replace the filter caps first, they can damage the rect tube fast. Never saw a third coil like that, but it could be a filter in the neg lead. It must be 350 ohms??? Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > Now that the thunderstorm has past, allow me to add a little: > > Yes, the 84 tests good. > > Something I did find, that stupid filter is not what it seems. You'd think > one terminal is the plus, the other terminal is another plus, and the case > is ground. Guess again -- I rewired it back as original, but the radio > still pulls current. It still pulls current if I remove all the wires from > the 84 cathode. Again, if I apply B+ to the cathode with the rectifier > removed, radio plays fine. > > The power transformer secondary ohms out at 500 ohms across the secondary, > and 600 ohms from either side to ground (but there's another coil from the > center tap to ground). > > I don't know what to think. If it's a power transformer, tell me now so I > can cut my losses and tell the guy to come pick the &^*&*! thing up and stop > pestering me every day asking if it's ready. Trouble is, it WOULD be ready > except for this. > > Article: 337648 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Another frustrating one Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:33:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3000-44BC2C45-886@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: Gary, It sounds like the 84 develops some serious H-K leakage under full voltage even tho it tests good on a tester. Have you tried another 84, or a pair of SS diodes in its place? Bill(oc) Article: 337649 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: Subject: Re: My lucky day! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:56:13 -0500 "Ken" wrote in message news:TtLug.19977$f76.14554@dukeread06... > Thanks to Stewart I have started patching small blemishes with oil > paints. I also have mixed oil paints with oil stain with good results, > but shake well before using, it will seperate. Mixing oil base stain > with lac was ok, but tricky, got to watch the proportions. It's easy to > end up with a sticky surface, but a days drying helps. > Keep us posted, Stewart. Ken > > Stewart Schooley wrote: > > > Went to a craft and antique mall today and found just what I was looking > > for. A Philco with photofinish. It is a 37-33 and in pretty good shape. > > I'll put a photo on the binary page. > > > > Best of all it had two tags on it. One said $110 and the second was > > yellow and said SALE- $29. I grabbed it. > > > > Last summer I started work on creating a large burl pattern, but working > > from photos from the internet really didn't work to get as exact a > > duplicate as I want. I knew I would have to get a radio to work from. > > Plus I had some health problems, my wife's health problems are forever, > > which makes me a house husband and I was getting to be like the guy who > > says, "If I can't have her, I'll kill her". > > > > With the little time I have for radio work I was ready to throw in the > > towel, get rid of the few radios I have, and walk away from the hobby. > > > > Now I am energized. I intend to duplicate this radio's photofinish and > > do it well enough that its use will be accepted by this group. There's > > nothing like having a clear goal. > > > > After this I will move to the Philco 37- 620 and 37-361 > > > > Stewart > > Thanks for the info Stewart and Ken. Ken, that is one Phee-nominal looking finish job, and it's that sort of not-too-dark finish you have on the trim that I was looking for. Nelson Article: 337650 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Another frustrating one Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:58:15 +0900 Message-ID: References: <3000-44BC2C45-886@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message news:3000-44BC2C45-886@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net... > Gary, > It sounds like the 84 develops some serious H-K leakage > under full voltage even tho it tests good on a tester. Have you tried > another 84, or a pair of SS diodes in its place? > Bill(oc) > Isn't an 84 a directly heated cathode (like an 80 or a 5U4?) Article: 337651 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Verne Folk Subject: Elgin R2400 Transister Date: 17 Jul 2006 17:47:10 -0700 Message-ID: Greetings: A customer called today wanting to know what batteries are used in this radio (three). I have not seen the radio and have no idea. The type is not listed on or in the radio. It is a shirt pocket AM/FM unit. I was wondering if anyone on this forum might know. Sure would appreciate any info. verne Article: 337652 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:00:45 -0600 Message-ID: <29840-44BC32BD-2221@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> I am interested .. how much ? Article: 337653 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: It's a miracle it arrived intact Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:06:59 -0600 Message-ID: <29840-44BC3433-2226@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153101917.748308.158980@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Oh ok ... An electrician friend of mine pulled an old system out of a house for a lady and left the equipment on my doorstep that day . I still have the nice Newcomb amp . The Craftsman tuner was nice and chrome . I tried to get it to work but it needed recap . I offered it for a while with zero interest .I did save parts off it before tossing it . Article: 337654 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:26:25 -0500 Message-ID: <21079-44BC38C1-1704@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: What year did tube type radios go out of style? Which company built the last ones? cuhulin Article: 337655 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:52:07 GMT Syl wrote: > "Terry S" wrote in message > news:1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > >>Ebay 140008705089 >> >>Not mine. But looks cool. >> >>Terry. > > > Tuning eye and audio _only_ are tubes...Rest is undoubtly cheap Asian > electronics. > > I'd love to have a peek at the chassis. Scroll down a little more, it's there. Or go to http://www.modixsales.com.au/ebay/images/radio_inside.jpg The rest does look like cheap Asian electronics like you'd find in a clock radio from China. > Aesthetic is quite good. Hope it > doesn't turn out > to be a cheap repro just like the Grundig reissue with a "genuine" wood > cabinet. > I do see real tubes in there, and a power transformer, but I don't see the output transformer (may be below the deck or behind the power transformer). Article: 337656 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <3000-44BC2C45-886@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Another frustrating one Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:08:08 -0500 Message-ID: <44bc3545$0$22718$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Brenda Ann" wrote in message news:e9hbir$6oi$1@news2.kornet.net... > Isn't an 84 a directly heated cathode (like an 80 or a 5U4?) No, 84/6Z4 is a heater-cathode type. Basically a slightly derated, 5-pin 6X5. HK leakage is bad news. But they're cheap. I'd probably use SS diodes anyway. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337657 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Another frustrating one Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:19:01 -0700 Message-ID: <24356-44BC4515-960@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Brenda Ann: >Isn't an 84 a directly heated cathode (like >an 80 or a 5U4?) No, it's indirectly heated. It's the old 5 pin base, with pins 1 and 5 for the heater and the cathode comes out on pin 4. Same as a 6Z4. If it was directly heated, it'd need a dedicated filament winding in the tranny which would be impractical in an auto radio. Bill(oc) Article: 337658 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Another frustrating one Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:31:37 +0900 Message-ID: References: <24356-44BC4515-960@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message news:24356-44BC4515-960@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net... > From Brenda Ann: >>Isn't an 84 a directly heated cathode (like >an 80 or a 5U4?) > > No, it's indirectly heated. It's the old 5 pin base, with pins 1 and 5 > for the heater and the cathode comes out on pin 4. Same as a 6Z4. > If it was directly heated, it'd need a dedicated > filament winding in the tranny which would be impractical in an auto > radio. That's an excellent point, which, because I never have worked on car radios of that era, I had never even considered. Never too old to learn something new. :) Article: 337659 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: robert m. email me please Date: 17 Jul 2006 19:41:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1153190477.641974.31250@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153138657.635202.264420@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Robert Mozeleski wrote: > Hello again, think it was $19.50 for the shipping for the AK. Sucker was heavy. Now i got to get rid of these, simliar to this > auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250008542397 > I have 14 of them left, all brand new in the beat up government boxes. Free you just pay shipping, or local pickup they are free! > LGS-EE-28D-OV-R-7121-2. Power out is 28V, 19.5 > A, input is 48V. > > email me your address and i will send you the money. thanks again! eddie > > > > "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1153138657.635202.264420@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > got the AK 44. need to know the shipping amount and can't find your > > email address. or...if anyone else knows it....... > > thanks, > > eddie > > Article: 337660 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:42:35 -0700 Message-ID: > I understand that some people who restore antique radios, will use the > case of a paper capacitor, replace the core with a mylar capacitor and > seal it again with wax. For more details on capacitor replacement (including restuffing), you can read: http://antiqueradio.org/recap.htm Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337661 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "graham" Subject: Hickok OZ-1, 550X in the Binaries Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:26:06 -0700 Message-ID: Found this in a metal storage shed next to a house we are setting up for an estate sale. Any idea of the value and if it doesn't sell at the sale, is anyone interested in this moldy project ... I don't know if it works and I don't want to take the time to find out ... Article: 337662 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Another frustrating one Date: 17 Jul 2006 20:28:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153193314.476484.22490@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Gary, leave the 84 in place and pull the vibrator then connect up your 250V DC supply as you had it before. If the B+ current is way up now, then pull the 84 and see if it goes back to normal. If it does, then the 84 has a hot, HV, H-K short and needs replacing. Neil S. Gary Tayman wrote: > Car radios usually have a hash choke to help filter out noise. Vibrator > power supplies are very noisy. According to the schematic, this choke is > 400 ohms. Funny, they don't give you any other readings -- no voltages or > anything, but sure enough, it plainly says 400 ohms for the choke. > > Maybe the next step may indeed be to try another 84 or a couple of diodes. > I just can't think of anything else. The voltage is there without the tube, > if I apply voltage at the cathode with the tube removed the radio plays, and > the tube pulls current with no load. I'm just trying to think about how > some intermittent winding, or short, or ANYTHING in the power transformer > could do this. Gotta be the rectifier. > > What a crappy day -- I set this thing aside, pulled out a 67 GTO, turned it > on and if you turn up the volume it oscillates. Radio plays fine at low > volume, but give it just a little -- even with no signal -- and she squeals > away. There's an electrolytic coupler -- I pulled the PCB and replaced ALL > the electrolytics, same thing. Plus the tuner is all rusty, with broken > leaf springs. I've got the springs; they're easy to replace with a > conversion, tough to reach on a repair. This is fun, I keep telling myself. > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > "Ken" wrote in message > news:ZYVug.20184$f76.16763@dukeread06... > > You could try a couple diodes in place of the 84. I always replace the > > filter caps first, they can damage the rect tube fast. Never saw a third > > coil like that, but it could be a filter in the neg lead. It must be 350 > > ohms??? Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary Tayman wrote: > > > >> Now that the thunderstorm has past, allow me to add a little: > >> > >> Yes, the 84 tests good. > >> > >> Something I did find, that stupid filter is not what it seems. You'd > >> think one terminal is the plus, the other terminal is another plus, and > >> the case is ground. Guess again -- I rewired it back as original, but > >> the radio still pulls current. It still pulls current if I remove all > >> the wires from the 84 cathode. Again, if I apply B+ to the cathode with > >> the rectifier removed, radio plays fine. > >> > >> The power transformer secondary ohms out at 500 ohms across the > >> secondary, and 600 ohms from either side to ground (but there's another > >> coil from the center tap to ground). > >> > >> I don't know what to think. If it's a power transformer, tell me now so > >> I can cut my losses and tell the guy to come pick the &^*&*! thing up and > >> stop pestering me every day asking if it's ready. Trouble is, it WOULD > >> be ready except for this. > >> > >> > > Article: 337663 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: Subject: Re: Another frustrating one Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:39:05 -0400 Message-ID: Gary, I havent run into it in eons, but once I had a tube socket with a metal shred in it. It ONLY shorted when the tube was in it! Put the 84 in and check for shorts to chassis without power. Make sure the electrolytics are discharged. Sub out that 84 anyway. Mark Oppat "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:xmVug.4163$Lw.999@trnddc07... > Now that the thunderstorm has past, allow me to add a little: > > Yes, the 84 tests good. > > Something I did find, that stupid filter is not what it seems. You'd think > one terminal is the plus, the other terminal is another plus, and the case > is ground. Guess again -- I rewired it back as original, but the radio > still pulls current. It still pulls current if I remove all the wires from > the 84 cathode. Again, if I apply B+ to the cathode with the rectifier > removed, radio plays fine. > > The power transformer secondary ohms out at 500 ohms across the secondary, > and 600 ohms from either side to ground (but there's another coil from the > center tap to ground). > > I don't know what to think. If it's a power transformer, tell me now so I > can cut my losses and tell the guy to come pick the &^*&*! thing up and stop > pestering me every day asking if it's ready. Trouble is, it WOULD be ready > except for this. > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:dJUug.3625$RV.130@trnddc08... > > Okay guys, I've got another one that's got my goat. > > > > This is an F-1440, radio from a 37 Ford. > > > > This radio has been a mess -- I've spent so many hours on it that the > > customer probably owes me the car. But I've rebuilt the thing end to end, > > and it's playing beautifully -- well, almost. > > > > When I service one of these radios, I start by removing the vibrator and > > rectifier. Then with a 6 volt power supply to the filaments, and a 250 > > volt DC supply to the B+, I apply power, monitoring current all the while. > > Once I had the radio playing, I then replaced caps, a couple at a time, > > checking periodically to ensure everything's still playing as good or > > better than a few minutes ago. The very last caps to be replaced were the > > filters, which were still good but -- you know -- replace them. Again, > > apply power, radio sounds great. > > > > So -- time to do the very last thing. Install a new vibrator, install the > > rectifier, and play the radio under its own power. As soon as the > > rectifier (84) warms up, it starts to pull current HARD! Remove the 84 > > and test -- current is fine. Reinstall the 84, strong current. Remove > > the 84 and reconnect the power supply, radio plays fine. Without the > > rectifier I get about 360 volts AC from either side of the power > > transformer secondary to ground, around 700 across it entirely. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > > > > Article: 337664 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: It's a miracle it arrived intact ALSO Date: 17 Jul 2006 20:37:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1153193831.285428.111830@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153101917.748308.158980@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> And it was about time. Article: 337665 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: 17 Jul 2006 20:42:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1153194164.132231.183210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Fred, if you are interested, I can send a series of photos showing the process I use in restuffing old cardboard cased paper caps and a new process I use to make brand new cardboard cases, since I am running out of old cap cases in some sizes, to restuff. It is really annoying when recapping a worthwhile set to find that 3 or 4 original cardboard cased caps have been replaced with plastic or ceramic cased replacements that are bad, but cannot easily be cleaned out for restuffing and are, in any case, non-OEM, so I developed a simple method of making new shells of any regular size. Neil S. Fred McKenzie wrote: > In article , "n cook" wrote: > > > Proudly stating "British Made" > > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type 460, TCC > > type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? Is it > > the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? > > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as 50Kohm. > > N. Cook- > > Neil pegged it. It isn't the wax that is hygroscopic as much as the paper > used as a dielectric in such capacitors made until the late 50s. > > As a teenager, I had collected boxes of components by canibalizing > equipment from a local Radio-TV repairman's trash bin. When I saved up > enough money to buy a multimeter, I found that over 90 percent of the > paper capacitors were leaky, and may have been the cause of the equipment > failure. I learned quickly that the first step in repairing old radios, > was to replace all the paper capacitors. > > Somewhere around 1957, the capacitor companys started using plastic > dielectric, sometimes in combination with paper. Names like "Mylar", > "Dipped Mylar" and "Paper-Mylar" were used to describe these newer > capacitors. From my viewpoint, that marked a turning point in the > reliability of electronic circuits. > > I understand that some people who restore antique radios, will use the > case of a paper capacitor, replace the core with a mylar capacitor and > seal it again with wax. > > Fred Article: 337666 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: ATTN KILLFILERS! Date: 17 Jul 2006 20:42:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1153194164.097304.31230@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152913501.733935.20870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Ken W wrote: > Man. You guys are brutal... > > ...talking about a guys mom and sis that way. > > ;) Mom is 40 miles away, one sister 55, the other 200 miles away. Sorry, my mom is in much better condition. You guys can sit here wasting all the time you like, none the wiser. Article: 337667 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: ALL BUT FORGOTTEN Date: 17 Jul 2006 20:45:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1153194343.899841.292430@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <21080-44BC0326-334@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Bill Turner wrote: > SEVERAL YEARS AGO I USED LEFT OVER LENGTHS OF DOWEL FROM MAKNG LOOP > ANTENNAS AS THE HANDLE FOR A TIME SAVER USED TO COIL THE ENDS A > CAPACITORS BEFORE INSTALLING THEM ON THE STUB LEFT OF THE OLD CAPACITOR. > TODAY I RECEIVED AN ORDER FOR DIAL COVER KIT, THE GENTLEMAN WAS KIND > ENOUGH TO STATE THAT HE STILL USES IT AND THAT IT WAS A VERY HELPFUL > GADGET. > > > CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com > Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. > Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. That's what makes it all worthwhile, Bill. Article: 337668 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 17 Jul 2006 20:54:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153194874.674599.4540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Smokey wrote: > Too bad Steph Weil's legitimate question gets bombarded with so many > frivolous and inane answers. Everyone's a comedian. After reading the stupid > replies I wonder how could their author's possibly call "All In The Family" > "pointless." Clearly the respondents have no idea what is "pointless" and > what is valid. > Sorry, Steph...your genuine question brought out the morons and few who can > help. > > Smokey > > P.S. By the way, scholars consider "Married With Children" a "social satire" > much like "All In The Family." > Certainly not up to the high standards of the esteemed respondents to this > thread. Perhaps they're happier now with their survival shows and phoney > "idol" contests. Let's see...Michael McDonald was on public TV a day-two ago, Austin City Limits, OPB and IPTV (OR and ID) have concerts and music specials overnight sometimes, Robert Plant, some Grateful Dead related concert, films about Jazz and R&B. Some 12 year old kid on the NBC contest blows blues harmonica like his soul was on fire (AMEN). If it weren't for dames I'd have a one-track mind. Article: 337669 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:55:36 -0400 "ptrisha" wrote in message news:50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > but would rather just sell to someone > without going that route. if interested, please let me know. Why not ? eBay is the place to get the most for your item...If it exists... I always had a problem with yahoo accounts...dunno, must be in the gene... Syl Article: 337670 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 17 Jul 2006 20:57:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1153195031.855794.104410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1152808266.071024.224550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> PS I don't lack for culture. My two favorite baritones are Willie Nelson and Jim Morrison. Article: 337671 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:57:36 -0400 "robert casey" wrote in message news:b9Xug.5810$vO.2650@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Syl wrote: > >> "Terry S" wrote in message >> news:1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> >>>Ebay 140008705089 >>> >>>Not mine. But looks cool. >>> >>>Terry. >> >> >> Tuning eye and audio _only_ are tubes...Rest is undoubtly cheap Asian >> electronics. >> >> I'd love to have a peek at the chassis. > > Scroll down a little more, it's there. Or go to > http://www.modixsales.com.au/ebay/images/radio_inside.jpg Thanks. I didn't see it the forst time... Just what I thought. Nice cabinet, very cheap electronics... Looks like there are stereo inputs and outputs, so the radio may be stereo, if you add another external speaker...? Syl Article: 337672 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 17 Jul 2006 21:08:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1153195732.759249.68080@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Syl wrote: > "ptrisha" wrote in message > news:50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > > > but would rather just sell to someone > > without going that route. if interested, please let me know. > > Why not ? eBay is the place to get the most for your item...If it exists... > > I always had a problem with yahoo accounts...dunno, must be in the gene... > > Syl You have a problem with the internet in general, Sylvain. There are pop'tards anywhere you think they are. Article: 337673 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 17 Jul 2006 21:13:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1153196028.005485.162540@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Syl wrote: > "robert casey" wrote in message > news:b9Xug.5810$vO.2650@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > Syl wrote: > > > >> "Terry S" wrote in message > >> news:1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > >> > >>>Ebay 140008705089 > >>> > >>>Not mine. But looks cool. > >>> > >>>Terry. > >> > >> > >> Tuning eye and audio _only_ are tubes...Rest is undoubtly cheap Asian > >> electronics. > >> > >> I'd love to have a peek at the chassis. > > > > Scroll down a little more, it's there. Or go to > > http://www.modixsales.com.au/ebay/images/radio_inside.jpg > > Thanks. I didn't see it the forst time... > > Just what I thought. Nice cabinet, very cheap electronics... > > Looks like there are stereo inputs and outputs, so the radio may be stereo, > if you add another external speaker...? > > Syl I already HAVE a Sansui SAX-200 though. Eye and all. Article: 337674 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Elgin R2400 Transister Date: 17 Jul 2006 21:23:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1153196584.705496.276570@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Verne Folk wrote: > Greetings: A customer called today wanting to know what batteries are used in > this radio (three). I have not seen the radio and have no idea. The type is not > listed on or in the radio. It is a shirt pocket AM/FM unit. I was wondering if > anyone on this forum might know. Sure would appreciate any info. verne It doesn't say UM-3 or something at all? AA might be a bit big for something that actually fits in the pocket...what are the general dimension of the compartment and the cell(s)? Maybe it ran on N? cells, or an old three number type. Some kind of camera battery type. Yes I'm guessing. Oh well. Most of mine back when I was young used 9V. Article: 337675 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:57:54 -0500 Message-ID: <29049-44BC6A52-412@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153196028.005485.162540@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> About twenty years or more ago,I read in an auto magazine that Rolls Royce (Rolls Royce/Bently) was the last to have tube type auto radios in their cars.At least in Western Europe anyway.I have a married Irish lady friend who lives in Bognor Regis,England.She lives not far from the Rolls Royce (Rolls Royce/BMW/VW whatever) factory in Goodwood. I have stacks of hard back books here about antique and classic cars.Rolls Royce used to have a factory in Massachusetts.That factory in America was using American made differentionals,wiring,some other American manufactured thingys.The American built Rolls Royce cars were more dependable and reliable than the Rolls Royce cars made in England.Rolls Royce of England stopped production of the Rolls Royce cars made in America.Rolls Royce of England's official story was they were not selling enough Rolls Royce cars in America. cuhulin Article: 337676 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "n cook" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:56:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1153194164.132231.183210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> nesesu wrote in message news:1153194164.132231.183210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Fred, if you are interested, I can send a series of photos showing the > process I use in restuffing old cardboard cased paper caps and a new > process I use to make brand new cardboard cases, since I am running out > of old cap cases in some sizes, to restuff. > It is really annoying when recapping a worthwhile set to find that 3 or > 4 original cardboard cased caps have been replaced with plastic or > ceramic cased replacements that are bad, but cannot easily be cleaned > out for restuffing and are, in any case, non-OEM, so I developed a > simple method of making new shells of any regular size. > > Neil S. > > Fred McKenzie wrote: > > In article , "n cook" wrote: > > > > > Proudly stating "British Made" > > > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type 460, TCC > > > type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? Is it > > > the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? > > > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as 50Kohm. > > > > N. Cook- > > > > Neil pegged it. It isn't the wax that is hygroscopic as much as the paper > > used as a dielectric in such capacitors made until the late 50s. > > > > As a teenager, I had collected boxes of components by canibalizing > > equipment from a local Radio-TV repairman's trash bin. When I saved up > > enough money to buy a multimeter, I found that over 90 percent of the > > paper capacitors were leaky, and may have been the cause of the equipment > > failure. I learned quickly that the first step in repairing old radios, > > was to replace all the paper capacitors. > > > > Somewhere around 1957, the capacitor companys started using plastic > > dielectric, sometimes in combination with paper. Names like "Mylar", > > "Dipped Mylar" and "Paper-Mylar" were used to describe these newer > > capacitors. From my viewpoint, that marked a turning point in the > > reliability of electronic circuits. > > > > I understand that some people who restore antique radios, will use the > > case of a paper capacitor, replace the core with a mylar capacitor and > > seal it again with wax. > > > > Fred > I suppose there is a cottage industry of taking modern 0.5,1,2W metal oxide resistors, molding in a fire cement wrapper and then painting with resistance colour-code bands. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Article: 337677 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "JOHN D" References: <1152240043.844422.301640@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1152361844.616908.127120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sizzling in Replacement Cap Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:02:05 GMT I just brought a T-150 home from a hamfest myself. I wish I hadn't damaged the front panel trying to get some sticker glue off of it. I made it look a lot worse. Just some ideas from looking at the schematic but, the 11 pin jumper plug could be misswired to put the full doubled voltage on C48, or if C47 is leaky or shorted you could get any excessive voltage up to the full doubled voltage. C47 is right above the snd section of C48 on the schematic. I measured around 750 volts for the doubled voltage on mine. I still have it on a variac so that may not have been at full line voltage, (124v here). No smoke yet. John aye bee nine jay bee Article: 337678 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Subminiature Tube Radio Date: 18 Jul 2006 03:33:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1153218820.030829.147500@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Geary Morton wrote: > In article > , > jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote: > > > In article <1153049961.141429.30410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > > "Dave.H" wrote: > > > > > I was browsing the galleries at RadiolaGuy.com, and came across a > > > subminiature tube radio with a very peculiar speaker. It has no > > > visible magnet. How would this work? > > > > > > View the photo at http://www.radiolaguy.com/images/Motorola53LC2i.jpg > > > I would reckon the magnet is in the front of the speaker, probably to > save space for the battery. I've seen this before where the magnet > assembly is suspended on a frame in the front. The wires attach to a > voice coil just like a conventional speaker. > > Geary > Raleigh, NC I believe I have the 60s car stereo version in one I got with old Calrad, Muntz, Audiovox, etc speakers that were for old 4 and 8-track players (Tenna was one I had only the instructions for. The Muntzes are gone, but if anybody needs between 6-dozen mostly 2-4 watt 4" or so 8 ohm speakers for projects I wouldn't mind trading for some small parts type stuff along ther way--knobs, etc. Article: 337679 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "ptrisha" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:00:08 -0400 Message-ID: <249214d8645e6396c166bf75a9f47ed3@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> What? I have better things to do than to try to sell imaginary radios. To all the other inquiries, I'm thinking $3500. A bluebird recently sold for $7800 in excel condition on Ebay. Article: 337680 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 18 Jul 2006 04:00:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1153220442.763702.202760@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> ptrisha wrote: > What? I have better things to do than to try to sell imaginary radios. To > all the other inquiries, I'm thinking $3500. A bluebird recently sold for > $7800 in excel condition on Ebay. Anywhere/way you can posts (or send) pictures? Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337681 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1153193314.476484.22490@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Another frustrating one Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:04:45 GMT I'll be playing with this some more, and I'll certainly let you know what I find. Meanwhile, doesn't 360 volts AC seem a bit high? I measured this with a Simpson digital meter; would think that this is RMS but I don't know. I just don't take a lot of AC readings every day. The original electrolytic is rated at 350 volts, so I seriously doubt if the B+ would be more than the typical 250. Still, this is one reason why I'm not crazy about throwing diodes in there. Seems like I've got a couple of 84's around here. I've got a big box of tubes on a hard-to-reach shelf, under a stack, and the 84's are at the bottom of the box. I suppose my chore for the day is to get to them. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "nesesu" wrote in message news:1153193314.476484.22490@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Gary, leave the 84 in place and pull the vibrator then connect up your > 250V DC supply as you had it before. If the B+ current is way up now, > then pull the 84 and see if it goes back to normal. If it does, then > the 84 has a hot, HV, H-K short and needs replacing. > > Neil S. > > Gary Tayman wrote: >> Car radios usually have a hash choke to help filter out noise. Vibrator >> power supplies are very noisy. According to the schematic, this choke is >> 400 ohms. Funny, they don't give you any other readings -- no voltages >> or >> anything, but sure enough, it plainly says 400 ohms for the choke. >> >> Maybe the next step may indeed be to try another 84 or a couple of >> diodes. >> I just can't think of anything else. The voltage is there without the >> tube, >> if I apply voltage at the cathode with the tube removed the radio plays, >> and >> the tube pulls current with no load. I'm just trying to think about how >> some intermittent winding, or short, or ANYTHING in the power transformer >> could do this. Gotta be the rectifier. >> >> What a crappy day -- I set this thing aside, pulled out a 67 GTO, turned >> it >> on and if you turn up the volume it oscillates. Radio plays fine at low >> volume, but give it just a little -- even with no signal -- and she >> squeals >> away. There's an electrolytic coupler -- I pulled the PCB and replaced >> ALL >> the electrolytics, same thing. Plus the tuner is all rusty, with broken >> leaf springs. I've got the springs; they're easy to replace with a >> conversion, tough to reach on a repair. This is fun, I keep telling >> myself. >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com >> >> >> >> "Ken" wrote in message >> news:ZYVug.20184$f76.16763@dukeread06... >> > You could try a couple diodes in place of the 84. I always replace the >> > filter caps first, they can damage the rect tube fast. Never saw a >> > third >> > coil like that, but it could be a filter in the neg lead. It must be >> > 350 >> > ohms??? Ken >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Gary Tayman wrote: >> > >> >> Now that the thunderstorm has past, allow me to add a little: >> >> >> >> Yes, the 84 tests good. >> >> >> >> Something I did find, that stupid filter is not what it seems. You'd >> >> think one terminal is the plus, the other terminal is another plus, >> >> and >> >> the case is ground. Guess again -- I rewired it back as original, but >> >> the radio still pulls current. It still pulls current if I remove all >> >> the wires from the 84 cathode. Again, if I apply B+ to the cathode >> >> with >> >> the rectifier removed, radio plays fine. >> >> >> >> The power transformer secondary ohms out at 500 ohms across the >> >> secondary, and 600 ohms from either side to ground (but there's >> >> another >> >> coil from the center tap to ground). >> >> >> >> I don't know what to think. If it's a power transformer, tell me now >> >> so >> >> I can cut my losses and tell the guy to come pick the &^*&*! thing up >> >> and >> >> stop pestering me every day asking if it's ready. Trouble is, it >> >> WOULD >> >> be ready except for this. >> >> >> >> >> > > Article: 337682 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <21080-44BC0326-334@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: ALL BUT FORGOTTEN Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:14:24 GMT I suppose we could start a complete new newsgroup on the merits of old tools, both manufactured and homemade. My grandfather, back when he worked for the B&O Railroad, and later in the gun factory of the Washington Navy Yard, had a way of making his own tools for whatever purpose he intended. Many years later I inherited one of the tool boxes. There was some weird stuff in there! Some of those tools were sold off, some remain in the family, and some of them -- yes, certain ones, are in my own toolbox and I use them every day. Most notable, though not homemade, are three open-end wrenches with the Ford logo on them. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Bill Turner" wrote in message news:21080-44BC0326-334@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net... > SEVERAL YEARS AGO I USED LEFT OVER LENGTHS OF DOWEL FROM MAKNG LOOP > ANTENNAS AS THE HANDLE FOR A TIME SAVER USED TO COIL THE ENDS A > CAPACITORS BEFORE INSTALLING THEM ON THE STUB LEFT OF THE OLD CAPACITOR. > TODAY I RECEIVED AN ORDER FOR DIAL COVER KIT, THE GENTLEMAN WAS KIND > ENOUGH TO STATE THAT HE STILL USES IT AND THAT IT WAS A VERY HELPFUL > GADGET. > > > CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com > Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. > Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. > > > > Article: 337683 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1153194164.132231.183210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:22:48 GMT In regards to these "cottage industries", is there anybody out there selling "new" OEM resistors and capacitors? Among my many, many future projects is my Atwater Kent 60. In the process of fixing it up, just about all the carbon resistors have been replaced. These are white ceramic with soldered ends. I've kept the old ones, with the high hopes that one day I'll try to make some sort of reproduction that can go back in the radio. If somebody is selling these I may be interested. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "n cook" wrote in message news:e9i45l$snp$1@inews.gazeta.pl... > nesesu wrote in message > news:1153194164.132231.183210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> Fred, if you are interested, I can send a series of photos showing the >> process I use in restuffing old cardboard cased paper caps and a new >> process I use to make brand new cardboard cases, since I am running out >> of old cap cases in some sizes, to restuff. >> It is really annoying when recapping a worthwhile set to find that 3 or >> 4 original cardboard cased caps have been replaced with plastic or >> ceramic cased replacements that are bad, but cannot easily be cleaned >> out for restuffing and are, in any case, non-OEM, so I developed a >> simple method of making new shells of any regular size. >> >> Neil S. >> >> Fred McKenzie wrote: >> > In article , "n cook" >> > > wrote: >> > >> > > Proudly stating "British Made" >> > > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type > 460, TCC >> > > type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? > Is it >> > > the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? >> > > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as > 50Kohm. >> > >> > N. Cook- >> > >> > Neil pegged it. It isn't the wax that is hygroscopic as much as the > paper >> > used as a dielectric in such capacitors made until the late 50s. >> > >> > As a teenager, I had collected boxes of components by canibalizing >> > equipment from a local Radio-TV repairman's trash bin. When I saved up >> > enough money to buy a multimeter, I found that over 90 percent of the >> > paper capacitors were leaky, and may have been the cause of the > equipment >> > failure. I learned quickly that the first step in repairing old >> > radios, >> > was to replace all the paper capacitors. >> > >> > Somewhere around 1957, the capacitor companys started using plastic >> > dielectric, sometimes in combination with paper. Names like "Mylar", >> > "Dipped Mylar" and "Paper-Mylar" were used to describe these newer >> > capacitors. From my viewpoint, that marked a turning point in the >> > reliability of electronic circuits. >> > >> > I understand that some people who restore antique radios, will use the >> > case of a paper capacitor, replace the core with a mylar capacitor and >> > seal it again with wax. >> > >> > Fred >> > > I suppose there is a cottage industry of taking modern 0.5,1,2W metal > oxide > resistors, molding in a fire cement wrapper and then painting with > resistance colour-code bands. > > -- > Diverse Devices, Southampton, England > electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ > > > Article: 337684 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1153196028.005485.162540@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <29049-44BC6A52-412@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:31:53 GMT Just how late was Rolls still using tubes? Thumbing through old Sams and other lit, it seems the very last reference to a new radio with tubes was an aftermarket made around 1966 -- but this does not include overseas material. I recall a friend of mine (who does phenomenal car restoration!) was once commenting on a transmission from a Rolls. A rebuild kit costs well over $1,000. A rebuild kit for an Oldsmobile was around $300, and there's only one small part in the entire kit that's different. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com wrote in message news:29049-44BC6A52-412@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net... > About twenty years or more ago,I read in an auto magazine that Rolls > Royce (Rolls Royce/Bently) was the last to have tube type auto radios in > their cars.At least in Western Europe anyway.I have a married Irish lady > friend who lives in Bognor Regis,England.She lives not far from the > Rolls Royce (Rolls Royce/BMW/VW whatever) factory in Goodwood. > > I have stacks of hard back books here about antique and classic > cars.Rolls Royce used to have a factory in Massachusetts.That factory in > America was using American made differentionals,wiring,some other > American manufactured thingys.The American built Rolls Royce cars were > more dependable and reliable than the Rolls Royce cars made in > England.Rolls Royce of England stopped production of the Rolls Royce > cars made in America.Rolls Royce of England's official story was they > were not selling enough Rolls Royce cars in America. > cuhulin > Article: 337685 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carter, k8vt" Subject: Re: Another frustrating one References: <1153193314.476484.22490@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <9O4vg.8691$2v.5457@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:50:13 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > > Meanwhile, doesn't 360 volts AC seem a bit high? I measured this > with a Simpson digital meter; would think that this is RMS but I > don't know. I just don't take a lot of AC readings every day. Not familiar with your Simpson DMM, but it is probably expecting something close to a sine wave and with a vibrator, you are closer to a square wave. This may account for the high AC reading you are getting. > The original electrolytic is rated at 350 volts, so I seriously doubt > if the B+ would be more than the typical 250. Still, this is one > reason why I'm not crazy about throwing diodes in there. Just temporarily put a resistor in series with the output of the diodes. For the 20 or 30 seconds it will take to make your test, it shouldn't hurt a thing. (or just sub the 84 and hope your replacement 84 is good)! :-) Article: 337686 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: isotope115@yahoo.com Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY, CA 7/15/06 Date: 18 Jul 2006 06:32:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1153229546.559116.318840@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: I was looking on the comcast server, but for some reason couldn't find the posting. Once I had the name of the specific group, I was able to find it and see the pictures. Thanks. Ken Article: 337687 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Another frustrating one Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:50:44 -0700 Message-ID: <24356-44BCE734-999@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> References: Gary, It'd probably be worthwhile to take all the precautions necessary in dealing with a 6X5 (in its propensity for H-K shorts), including fusing the B+. And explain it to the customer in detail, so should the radio ever quit suddenly, he wouldn't be blindsided. Bill(oc) Article: 337688 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Solution -- sort of Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:10:28 GMT Are we having fun yet? So I set this aside to work on something else -- a 49 Ford. Another one that pulls current -- may be a power transformer. So back on the shelf it goes, and out comes a 53 Buick. Tuner broken, volume control broken, no audio, no signal, whatta mess! So what the heck -- out comes the 37 Ford again. Went to that box of tubes in the garage, found an 84 right on top. Plugged it in, the radio plays! WHEW! Thanks everyone. I'm sure it's obvious to you all, I've got some pretty sad stuff around here -- but the most burned-out piece of equipment in the entire shop right now is -- ME! In any case, I'm not quite done with the 37 Ford. There is a metal box that the fellow gave me with the radio, and he asked me what it is. It was plugged into the antenna connector, and has a long stretch of wire wrapped up. Since the antenna is mounted at the top of the windshield, this box is obviously not original -- but what is it? He may have to use it, as the connector on the radio is a bayonet type and the antenna is a Motorola plug. Still, it's a mystery. I suspect it's some sort of wave trap. I've got a photo on the binaries. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:dJUug.3625$RV.130@trnddc08... > Okay guys, I've got another one that's got my goat. > > This is an F-1440, radio from a 37 Ford. > > This radio has been a mess -- I've spent so many hours on it that the > customer probably owes me the car. But I've rebuilt the thing end to end, > and it's playing beautifully -- well, almost. > > When I service one of these radios, I start by removing the vibrator and > rectifier. Then with a 6 volt power supply to the filaments, and a 250 > volt DC supply to the B+, I apply power, monitoring current all the while. > Once I had the radio playing, I then replaced caps, a couple at a time, > checking periodically to ensure everything's still playing as good or > better than a few minutes ago. The very last caps to be replaced were the > filters, which were still good but -- you know -- replace them. Again, > apply power, radio sounds great. > > So -- time to do the very last thing. Install a new vibrator, install the > rectifier, and play the radio under its own power. As soon as the > rectifier (84) warms up, it starts to pull current HARD! Remove the 84 > and test -- current is fine. Reinstall the 84, strong current. Remove > the 84 and reconnect the power supply, radio plays fine. Without the > rectifier I get about 360 volts AC from either side of the power > transformer secondary to ground, around 700 across it entirely. > > Any ideas? > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > Article: 337689 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: REPORT FROM CHRS ANNUAL KRE LIVE! EVENT AND AUCTION...BERKELEY, References: <1153147911.937279.95650@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <44BBBE1A.2B458A40@earthlink.net> <1153229546.559116.318840@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <796vg.24334$Z67.10756@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:22:59 GMT You're welcome Ken. Jeff isotope115@yahoo.com wrote: > I was looking on the comcast server, but for some reason couldn't find > the posting. Once I had the name of the specific group, I was able to > find it and see the pictures. Thanks. > > Ken > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337690 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 18 Jul 2006 07:25:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1153232757.370794.259530@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > ptrisha wrote: > > What? I have better things to do than to try to sell imaginary radios. To > > all the other inquiries, I'm thinking $3500. A bluebird recently sold for > > $7800 in excel condition on Ebay. > > Anywhere/way you can posts (or send) pictures? > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA where is the radio located. i am sure a fellow newsgroup member would be glad to take a look at it for me. that is....if you don't mind. Article: 337691 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Chris F." Subject: Sparton 98 Console Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:46:03 GMT Someone recently brought this nice console to me for restoration, it looks like a pretty straightforward job but there are a couple of things I need help with. First, I cannot locate a schematic for this. The model 99 schematic is not close, I'm not sure why the 98 is not listed in the RCC index. Second, I wondered if anyone has replacement dial glass for this radio. The plastic bubble is fine, but the mirrored glass with the numbers on it is cracked (suggesting that someone broke it while the chassis was removed for repairs). If anyone has a dial for this please let me know. Thanks. -- To reply via Email, remove NOSPAM from the address Article: 337692 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Solution -- sort of Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:35:46 GMT Okay, here's the verdict: That mystery box is some sort of balun or RF trap, and IS part of the original radio. I didn't see it in the Rider's at first, but there it is, going off the left side of the page as if they didn't "plan ahead." I did a little final tweaking and cleaning, let the radio play for awhile, and I think it's finally ready to go. As for the others, forget them for now. It's time to pour a cold, tall one, sit back and relax, and rest awhile. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:oZ5vg.8719$A8.2317@trnddc02... > Are we having fun yet? > > So I set this aside to work on something else -- a 49 Ford. Another one > that pulls current -- may be a power transformer. So back on the shelf it > goes, and out comes a 53 Buick. Tuner broken, volume control broken, no > audio, no signal, whatta mess! > > So what the heck -- out comes the 37 Ford again. Went to that box of > tubes in the garage, found an 84 right on top. Plugged it in, the radio > plays! WHEW! Thanks everyone. > > I'm sure it's obvious to you all, I've got some pretty sad stuff around > here -- but the most burned-out piece of equipment in the entire shop > right now is -- ME! > > In any case, I'm not quite done with the 37 Ford. There is a metal box > that the fellow gave me with the radio, and he asked me what it is. It > was plugged into the antenna connector, and has a long stretch of wire > wrapped up. Since the antenna is mounted at the top of the windshield, > this box is obviously not original -- but what is it? He may have to use > it, as the connector on the radio is a bayonet type and the antenna is a > Motorola plug. Still, it's a mystery. I suspect it's some sort of wave > trap. I've got a photo on the binaries. > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:dJUug.3625$RV.130@trnddc08... >> Okay guys, I've got another one that's got my goat. >> >> This is an F-1440, radio from a 37 Ford. >> >> This radio has been a mess -- I've spent so many hours on it that the >> customer probably owes me the car. But I've rebuilt the thing end to >> end, and it's playing beautifully -- well, almost. >> >> When I service one of these radios, I start by removing the vibrator and >> rectifier. Then with a 6 volt power supply to the filaments, and a 250 >> volt DC supply to the B+, I apply power, monitoring current all the >> while. Once I had the radio playing, I then replaced caps, a couple at a >> time, checking periodically to ensure everything's still playing as good >> or better than a few minutes ago. The very last caps to be replaced were >> the filters, which were still good but -- you know -- replace them. >> Again, apply power, radio sounds great. >> >> So -- time to do the very last thing. Install a new vibrator, install >> the rectifier, and play the radio under its own power. As soon as the >> rectifier (84) warms up, it starts to pull current HARD! Remove the 84 >> and test -- current is fine. Reinstall the 84, strong current. Remove >> the 84 and reconnect the power supply, radio plays fine. Without the >> rectifier I get about 360 volts AC from either side of the power >> transformer secondary to ground, around 700 across it entirely. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com >> >> > > Article: 337693 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: Subject: Re: Yet another one Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:43:56 -0400 Message-ID: So, this set is doing the SAME thing? Gary, are you disconnecting your power supplies negs when testing? I dont know how, but could there be a short path if you dont entirely unhook your test system? Mark Oppat "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:Hc5vg.4258$Lw.455@trnddc07... > Hoo boy -- so I set these aside for the time being, to see what else is on > store for me. > > I pull out a 49 Ford -- M1-A1. Remove the vibrator and 6X5, apply 250 > volts, fine. I apply filament power, radio plays. So THIS TIME, since I at > least have these more common vibrators on hand, I installed a known good > vibrator and the 6X5. DEAD SHORT! Removed the 6X5, same thing. Removed > vibrator, current returns to normal. > > Set this one aside -- -- -- NEXT! > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:E%Xug.4227$Lw.2085@trnddc07... > > Car radios usually have a hash choke to help filter out noise. Vibrator > > power supplies are very noisy. According to the schematic, this choke is > > 400 ohms. Funny, they don't give you any other readings -- no voltages or > > anything, but sure enough, it plainly says 400 ohms for the choke. > > > > Maybe the next step may indeed be to try another 84 or a couple of diodes. > > I just can't think of anything else. The voltage is there without the > > tube, if I apply voltage at the cathode with the tube removed the radio > > plays, and the tube pulls current with no load. I'm just trying to think > > about how some intermittent winding, or short, or ANYTHING in the power > > transformer could do this. Gotta be the rectifier. > > > > What a crappy day -- I set this thing aside, pulled out a 67 GTO, turned > > it on and if you turn up the volume it oscillates. Radio plays fine at > > low volume, but give it just a little -- even with no signal -- and she > > squeals away. There's an electrolytic coupler -- I pulled the PCB and > > replaced ALL the electrolytics, same thing. Plus the tuner is all rusty, > > with broken leaf springs. I've got the springs; they're easy to replace > > with a conversion, tough to reach on a repair. This is fun, I keep > > telling myself. > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > > > > > "Ken" wrote in message > > news:ZYVug.20184$f76.16763@dukeread06... > >> You could try a couple diodes in place of the 84. I always replace the > >> filter caps first, they can damage the rect tube fast. Never saw a third > >> coil like that, but it could be a filter in the neg lead. It must be 350 > >> ohms??? Ken > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Gary Tayman wrote: > >> > >>> Now that the thunderstorm has past, allow me to add a little: > >>> > >>> Yes, the 84 tests good. > >>> > >>> Something I did find, that stupid filter is not what it seems. You'd > >>> think one terminal is the plus, the other terminal is another plus, and > >>> the case is ground. Guess again -- I rewired it back as original, but > >>> the radio still pulls current. It still pulls current if I remove all > >>> the wires from the 84 cathode. Again, if I apply B+ to the cathode with > >>> the rectifier removed, radio plays fine. > >>> > >>> The power transformer secondary ohms out at 500 ohms across the > >>> secondary, and 600 ohms from either side to ground (but there's another > >>> coil from the center tap to ground). > >>> > >>> I don't know what to think. If it's a power transformer, tell me now so > >>> I can cut my losses and tell the guy to come pick the &^*&*! thing up > >>> and stop pestering me every day asking if it's ready. Trouble is, it > >>> WOULD be ready except for this. > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > Article: 337694 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:09:34 -0400 Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its Summer, you get some deals now. Mark Oppat Article: 337695 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "ptrisha" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:41:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153232757.370794.259530@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> I am located in west haven, ct. Article: 337696 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Yet another one Date: 18 Jul 2006 09:52:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1153241545.854441.140350@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: As I understand this one in Gary's description, the 'short' occurs when the vibrator is plugged in and regardless of whether the rectifier is there or not. In this case I would think the probelm is: Timing capacitor on transformer shorted; wrong type vibrator; burned out transformer, in that order. IMHO, the only way to look at the output voltage of a vibrator power supply transformer is with a 'scope with suitable HV probe. The waveform with a new vibrator and proper timing cap and correct load is a fairly good square wave, but if any of those are not exactly correct, then the waveform becomes very spiky and readings on a DVM are all over the place depending on the method the DVM uses to derive the reading. I recently restored an RCA Vibrator power pack for Battery radios and, since the 4V synchronous vibrator was old and contacts irratic plus the timing cap was bad, the output voltage was all over the place [75-145V] when it should be about 90-100V. Looking at the secondary of the transformer, the peaks were a mass of spikes and any reading on a DVM was useless. The only practical solution was to make a 4V SS vibrator, to eliminate the two sets of flaky contacts and the need for the timing cap, and the results were a nice square wave with tiny leading edge overshoots and a steady 100V no load and 90V full load [15mA] at 4V input. Something I discovered in that unit was that a 0.5uF bypass cap on the input voltage supply to the primary centre tap of the transformer was installed INSIDE the potted transformer can [looks like a standard auto radio transformer] along with an RF choke. The cap was a bit leaky, but I had no choice but to leave it since it is inaccessable. Neil S. Mark Oppat wrote: > So, this set is doing the SAME thing? Gary, are you disconnecting your > power supplies negs when testing? I dont know how, but could there be a > short path if you dont entirely unhook your test system? > > Mark Oppat > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:Hc5vg.4258$Lw.455@trnddc07... > > Hoo boy -- so I set these aside for the time being, to see what else is on > > store for me. > > > > I pull out a 49 Ford -- M1-A1. Remove the vibrator and 6X5, apply 250 > > volts, fine. I apply filament power, radio plays. So THIS TIME, since I > at > > least have these more common vibrators on hand, I installed a known good > > vibrator and the 6X5. DEAD SHORT! Removed the 6X5, same thing. Removed > > vibrator, current returns to normal. > > > > Set this one aside -- -- -- NEXT! > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > > > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > > news:E%Xug.4227$Lw.2085@trnddc07... > > > Car radios usually have a hash choke to help filter out noise. Vibrator > > > power supplies are very noisy. According to the schematic, this choke > is > > > 400 ohms. Funny, they don't give you any other readings -- no voltages > or > > > anything, but sure enough, it plainly says 400 ohms for the choke. > > > > > > Maybe the next step may indeed be to try another 84 or a couple of > diodes. > > > I just can't think of anything else. The voltage is there without the > > > tube, if I apply voltage at the cathode with the tube removed the radio > > > plays, and the tube pulls current with no load. I'm just trying to > think > > > about how some intermittent winding, or short, or ANYTHING in the power > > > transformer could do this. Gotta be the rectifier. > > > > > > What a crappy day -- I set this thing aside, pulled out a 67 GTO, turned > > > it on and if you turn up the volume it oscillates. Radio plays fine at > > > low volume, but give it just a little -- even with no signal -- and she > > > squeals away. There's an electrolytic coupler -- I pulled the PCB and > > > replaced ALL the electrolytics, same thing. Plus the tuner is all > rusty, > > > with broken leaf springs. I've got the springs; they're easy to replace > > > with a conversion, tough to reach on a repair. This is fun, I keep > > > telling myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > > > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > > > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ken" wrote in message > > > news:ZYVug.20184$f76.16763@dukeread06... > > >> You could try a couple diodes in place of the 84. I always replace the > > >> filter caps first, they can damage the rect tube fast. Never saw a > third > > >> coil like that, but it could be a filter in the neg lead. It must be > 350 > > >> ohms??? Ken > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Gary Tayman wrote: > > >> > > >>> Now that the thunderstorm has past, allow me to add a little: > > >>> > > >>> Yes, the 84 tests good. > > >>> > > >>> Something I did find, that stupid filter is not what it seems. You'd > > >>> think one terminal is the plus, the other terminal is another plus, > and > > >>> the case is ground. Guess again -- I rewired it back as original, but > > >>> the radio still pulls current. It still pulls current if I remove all > > >>> the wires from the 84 cathode. Again, if I apply B+ to the cathode > with > > >>> the rectifier removed, radio plays fine. > > >>> > > >>> The power transformer secondary ohms out at 500 ohms across the > > >>> secondary, and 600 ohms from either side to ground (but there's > another > > >>> coil from the center tap to ground). > > >>> > > >>> I don't know what to think. If it's a power transformer, tell me now > so > > >>> I can cut my losses and tell the guy to come pick the &^*&*! thing up > > >>> and stop pestering me every day asking if it's ready. Trouble is, it > > >>> WOULD be ready except for this. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Article: 337697 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <26665-44BD0FE1-346@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: Kind of like Mercedes Benz cars,,, too much complicated stuff to get the job done.I own a Rolex Oyster Perpetual stainless steel wristwatch.I bought it at the U.S.Navy (I was in the U.S.Army,I Joined up,I didn't get drafted,RA 14808903) Fleet Store in Hong Kong on my five days R & R,1964That Rolex wristwatch didn't keep much better time than my old wind up Timex wristwatch.I quit wearing a wristwatch (and undies too) years and years ago. cuhulin Article: 337698 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:46:38 -0500 Message-ID: <26664-44BD106E-1722@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: Seeeeeeee the U.S.A.in your Chevrolet,,,,,,,,, America is better by farrrrrrr,,,,,,,,, ~ Dinah Shore. cuhulin Article: 337699 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Another frustrating one From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <24356-44BCE734-999@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:55:38 GMT In article <24356-44BCE734-999@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>, oldcoot@webtv.net says... > > >Gary, > It'd probably be worthwhile to take all the precautions >necessary in dealing with a 6X5 (in its propensity for H-K shorts), >including fusing the B+. And explain it to the customer in detail, so >should the radio ever quit suddenly, he wouldn't be blindsided. > Bill(oc) > better to just put in a pair of diodes and a resistor and leave the tube completely out of the radio... JOhn k9uwa Article: 337700 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: 18 Jul 2006 09:59:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153241950.739234.153660@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Actually, I usually paint them with the BED colour code after bending the leads at a sharp right angle and adding some epoxy on each end to give the 'dogbone' radial leaded shape. [BED= Body-End-Dot coding that was common just before the colourbanding became common.] Neil S. n cook wrote: > nesesu wrote in message > news:1153194164.132231.183210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Fred, if you are interested, I can send a series of photos showing the > > process I use in restuffing old cardboard cased paper caps and a new > > process I use to make brand new cardboard cases, since I am running out > > of old cap cases in some sizes, to restuff. > > It is really annoying when recapping a worthwhile set to find that 3 or > > 4 original cardboard cased caps have been replaced with plastic or > > ceramic cased replacements that are bad, but cannot easily be cleaned > > out for restuffing and are, in any case, non-OEM, so I developed a > > simple method of making new shells of any regular size. > > > > Neil S. > > > > Fred McKenzie wrote: > > > In article , "n cook" > wrote: > > > > > > > Proudly stating "British Made" > > > > What makes all those yellow tubular wax covered caps, Dubilier type > 460, TCC > > > > type 343, 645 etc 300V to 750V caps in range 1 to 100nF go so leaky ? > Is it > > > > the wax is actually hygroscopic and absorbs water vapour over time. ? > > > > On DVM resistance scale in Meg ohms but on a Megger then as low as > 50Kohm. > > > > > > N. Cook- > > > > > > Neil pegged it. It isn't the wax that is hygroscopic as much as the > paper > > > used as a dielectric in such capacitors made until the late 50s. > > > > > > As a teenager, I had collected boxes of components by canibalizing > > > equipment from a local Radio-TV repairman's trash bin. When I saved up > > > enough money to buy a multimeter, I found that over 90 percent of the > > > paper capacitors were leaky, and may have been the cause of the > equipment > > > failure. I learned quickly that the first step in repairing old radios, > > > was to replace all the paper capacitors. > > > > > > Somewhere around 1957, the capacitor companys started using plastic > > > dielectric, sometimes in combination with paper. Names like "Mylar", > > > "Dipped Mylar" and "Paper-Mylar" were used to describe these newer > > > capacitors. From my viewpoint, that marked a turning point in the > > > reliability of electronic circuits. > > > > > > I understand that some people who restore antique radios, will use the > > > case of a paper capacitor, replace the core with a mylar capacitor and > > > seal it again with wax. > > > > > > Fred > > > > I suppose there is a cottage industry of taking modern 0.5,1,2W metal oxide > resistors, molding in a fire cement wrapper and then painting with > resistance colour-code bands. > > -- > Diverse Devices, Southampton, England > electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on > http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Article: 337701 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry S" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 18 Jul 2006 09:59:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1153241962.023599.95710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: You really didn't have to share that bit of personal data. But then it's just another bit of your troll-ism. cuhu...@webtv.net wrote: > Kind of like Mercedes Benz cars,,, too much complicated stuff to get the > job done.I own a Rolex Oyster Perpetual stainless steel wristwatch.I > bought it at the U.S.Navy (I was in the U.S.Army,I Joined up,I didn't > get drafted,RA 14808903) Fleet Store in Hong Kong on my five days R & > R,1964That Rolex wristwatch didn't keep much better time than my old > wind up Timex wristwatch.I quit wearing a wristwatch (and undies too) > years and years ago. > cuhulin Article: 337702 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: sparton bluebird From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <249214d8645e6396c166bf75a9f47ed3@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Message-ID: <1v8vg.85353$1i1.8511@attbi_s72> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:02:53 GMT In article <249214d8645e6396c166bf75a9f47ed3@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com>, ptrishaf@yahoo.com says... > > >What? I have better things to do than to try to sell imaginary radios. To >all the other inquiries, I'm thinking $3500. A bluebird recently sold for >$7800 in excel condition on Ebay. > Would think perhaps the 7800 one was either a peach colored one.. much rarer than the cobalt blue .. or else two someones... went nutso after it for some reason.. never seems to happen to my stuff on the bay!... something in the 3 to 3.5 k range is about normal for a blue one in perfect condition... and yes I have a blue one.... restored and excellent... and no mine isn't for sale.. John k9uwa Article: 337703 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:05:19 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1&s spagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > >you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its >Summer, you get some deals now. > >Mark Oppat > > > Looks like it was sucked up by one of our newsgroup readers... nevinsk .... congrats .. nice score John k9uwa Article: 337704 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:01:00 -0500 Message-ID: <26664-44BD13CC-1725@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: I think it was a phoney prop they destroyed.Those movie studios rent out props,to destroy a real prop radio,I think is a NO NO! One of my favorite old movie actors is Wallace Beery.Margaret O' Brien once said Wallace used to pinch her real hard when she was a kid,and he used to steal her lunch too.Wallace used to ''borrow'' movie studio props and rent them out to other movie studios. One day,some folks from a movie studio went over to his house and they turned over a wooden boat,and there was their movie studio name painted on the bottom of that boat.Wallace was a real hound dog,he used to go to the bars and juke joints and get in some real serious fights. cuhulin Article: 337705 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:11:34 GMT In article , personne@perdu.com says... > > > > >Syl > > Yo Syl ... what happened to your website?.. went to look at your bit about making new old resistors.. the tech stuff won't work on the site.. John k9uwa Article: 337706 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Yet another one From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:13:20 GMT In article , caradio@verizon.net says... > > >Removed the 6X5, same thing. Removed >vibrator, current returns to normal. > >Set this one aside -- -- -- NEXT! >Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical would do same thing with this one Gary .. put in pair of diodes and deep six the 6x5 permanently... John k9uwa Article: 337707 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: ALL BUT FORGOTTEN Date: 18 Jul 2006 10:15:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1153242947.837442.240910@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <21080-44BC0326-334@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Bill Turner wrote: > SEVERAL YEARS AGO I USED LEFT OVER LENGTHS OF DOWEL FROM MAKNG LOOP > ANTENNAS AS THE HANDLE FOR A TIME SAVER USED TO COIL THE ENDS A > CAPACITORS I still have mine too Bill, and use it all the time. Handiest pigtailing tool ever. Tox Article: 337708 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:17:16 GMT "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:wK2dnZdX6sqFmiDZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its > Summer, you get some deals now. > > Location, location, location. jim menning Article: 337709 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <26665-44BD0FE1-346@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> <1153241962.023599.95710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:29:45 GMT "Terry S" wrote in message news:1153241962.023599.95710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > You really didn't have to share that bit of personal data. > Or 99 and 44/100 of his other inane and insipid posts. > > But then it's just another bit of your troll-ism. > I think he and the other fatuous resident troll should become pen-pals, and leave the newsgroup alone. jim menning Article: 337710 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Solution -- sort of References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:53:21 -0400 Gary, your jobs sound so intresting it makes me want to start working on some old car stuff. Help me get over this. Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > Okay, here's the verdict: > > That mystery box is some sort of balun or RF trap, and IS part of the > original radio. I didn't see it in the Rider's at first, but there it is, > going off the left side of the page as if they didn't "plan ahead." > > I did a little final tweaking and cleaning, let the radio play for awhile, > and I think it's finally ready to go. > > As for the others, forget them for now. It's time to pour a cold, tall one, > sit back and relax, and rest awhile. > > > Article: 337711 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:56:17 -0400 Pickups are a killer, a profit killer. Ken jim menning wrote: > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > news:wK2dnZdX6sqFmiDZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com... > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 >> >>you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its >>Summer, you get some deals now. >> >> > > > Location, location, location. > > jim menning > > Article: 337712 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Great source for packing materials Date: 18 Jul 2006 10:59:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Just thought I'd share this, esp. in light of the recent thread on packing (#459 in a long series). I have found furniture stores to be a great source of packing. We just got a Denver Mattress/Sofas n More etc. store (kind of a 3-in -one store, can't remember the third one). Anyhow they recycle cardboard but all their foam sheets, styrofoam blocks, and bubble wrap goes into a big dumpster! :-o There are all types, from the real thin foam that rips easy to 1/4" thick foam sheets to std. bubble wrap to super duper Mil Spec bubble wrap - this is bubble wrap made of very heavy plastic and backed with foam. Big ol sheets of it too. The size of armoires and queen sized head boards, I guess. And foam blocks 2" thick by 18" by 2 ft. long. All there for the harvesting. And they said they were glad to have me take it because their trash service is on an as-needed, pay as you dump basis, so this saves them money. I'm always careful to leave things cleaner than when I got there. No excuse for bad packing folks! Tox PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 Article: 337713 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:07:30 -0400 Message-ID: yup, its not too far for Ken Nevins to travel to Ohio to get that set! Great score for him. There was another Detrola console that started at $39.95 that got no bids... anyone close to Kingston, TN might want this! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&item=280006664374&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Mark Oppat "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:jx8vg.85356$1i1.77008@attbi_s72... > In article , > moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1 &s > spagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > > >you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its > >Summer, you get some deals now. > > > >Mark Oppat > > > > > > > Looks like it was sucked up by one of our newsgroup readers... > nevinsk .... congrats .. nice score > > John k9uwa > > Article: 337714 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Date: 18 Jul 2006 11:33:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1153247606.679108.7490@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: > n cook wrote: > I suppose there is a cottage industry of taking modern 0.5,1,2W metal oxide > resistors, molding in a fire cement wrapper and then painting with > resistance colour-code bands. Our own Syl Vanier did that. I saw the procedure documented on his homepage. That right there convinced me he had totally lost his mind. ;) -- Stephanie Weil New York City, USA Article: 337715 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Sparton 98 Console Date: 18 Jul 2006 11:54:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1153248899.344114.192850@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: Chris, I see that there are two listngs for the Sparton 99 in the RCC according to MYE. An early model is in RCC on page Sparton 2, while a later model 99 (1938-39) is on page Sparton 63. Also, according to MYE, the Sparton models 88, 98 and 108 are all similar, but none are listed as having an RCC diagram. As an aside, any given model from a manufacturer [does not apply to 'branders'] will generally have a circuit quite similar to other models >from about the same years, as long as you 'read between the lines' a bit. Usually they did not totally redesign sets, but made incremental changes from model to model and year to year, so a close look at the data sheets from the period will often allow putting together a useable schematic from a section of this and a section of that, using the chassis as a reference. Neil S. Chris F. wrote: > Someone recently brought this nice console to me for restoration, it looks > like a pretty straightforward job but there are a couple of things I need > help with. First, I cannot locate a schematic for this. The model 99 > schematic is not close, I'm not sure why the 98 is not listed in the RCC > index. > Second, I wondered if anyone has replacement dial glass for this radio. > The plastic bubble is fine, but the mirrored glass with the numbers on it is > cracked (suggesting that someone broke it while the chassis was removed for > repairs). If anyone has a dial for this please let me know. > Thanks. > -- > To reply via Email, remove NOSPAM from the address Article: 337716 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Solution -- sort of Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:12:21 GMT What's your address -- I'll send you these! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Ken" wrote in message news:Be9vg.1$5H.0@dukeread06... > Gary, your jobs sound so intresting it makes me want to start working on > some old car stuff. Help me get over this. Ken > > Gary Tayman wrote: > >> Okay, here's the verdict: >> >> That mystery box is some sort of balun or RF trap, and IS part of the >> original radio. I didn't see it in the Rider's at first, but there it >> is, going off the left side of the page as if they didn't "plan ahead." >> >> I did a little final tweaking and cleaning, let the radio play for >> awhile, and I think it's finally ready to go. >> >> As for the others, forget them for now. It's time to pour a cold, tall >> one, sit back and relax, and rest awhile. >> >> >> > Article: 337717 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Yet another one Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:21:59 GMT Except it won't fix the radio. I have a dead short with the 6X5 removed. It only goes away when I remove the vibrator -- and this is a "test" vibrator that I keep around for the purpose -- it's mechanical, but known good. There's not much in between. The 6 volts is fed to the primary center tap, and both ends of the primary go to the vibrator. The secondary has a grounded center tap, with both ends going to the plates of the 6X5. Without the vibrator, current is fine, meaning there's no DC short in the transformer. With the vibrator and without the 6X5 it pulls current, meaning either there's a short in the secondary, shorted cap in the secondary, or, well, that's about it. After awhile, when I'm in the mood, I'll dig back into it. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:QE8vg.41565$FQ1.24025@attbi_s71... > In article , caradio@verizon.net says... >> >> >>Removed the 6X5, same thing. Removed >>vibrator, current returns to normal. >> >>Set this one aside -- -- -- NEXT! >>Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > > would do same thing with this one Gary .. put in pair of diodes and > deep six the 6x5 permanently... > > John k9uwa > Article: 337718 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philsvintageradios" Subject: Re: My lucky day! Date: 18 Jul 2006 12:38:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1153251501.578530.50750@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: I can't see the binaries, but glad we didn't l;oose you from the hobby. .. similar situation for me, restoring an old house is taking all my time, but with radios and parts all over, I doubt if I will forget about my hobby. The good thing about old radios is that they don't seem to mind the wait :) You have come up with some great ideas about working with these finishes. I love the idea of transferring the image from paper, and then washing off the paper, I keep meaning to try that one as an experiment. It sounds like fun. Phil Stewart Schooley wrote: > Went to a craft and antique mall today and found just what I was looking > for. A Philco with photofinish. It is a 37-33 and in pretty good shape. > I'll put a photo on the binary page. > > Best of all it had two tags on it. One said $110 and the second was > yellow and said SALE- $29. I grabbed it. > > Last summer I started work on creating a large burl pattern, but working > from photos from the internet really didn't work to get as exact a > duplicate as I want. I knew I would have to get a radio to work from. > Plus I had some health problems, my wife's health problems are forever, > which makes me a house husband and I was getting to be like the guy who > says, "If I can't have her, I'll kill her". > > With the little time I have for radio work I was ready to throw in the > towel, get rid of the few radios I have, and walk away from the hobby. > > Now I am energized. I intend to duplicate this radio's photofinish and > do it well enough that its use will be accepted by this group. There's > nothing like having a clear goal. > > After this I will move to the Philco 37- 620 and 37-361 > > Stewart Article: 337719 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Solution -- sort of References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:44:58 -0400 I'm cured. Gary Tayman wrote: > What's your address -- I'll send you these! > > > Article: 337720 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" Subject: FA: Western Electric Amplifier manual, MINT!!! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:50:58 GMT Western Electric model 6025B Amplifier manual, MINT!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200006883405&ssPageName=A DME:B:EF:US:2 This Western Electric manual looks like it just came out of a time machine. It is MINT+. This is for the very rare model 6025B amplifier. You're not likely to find a better example of a 1920s piece of paper, anywhere. Buyer to pay Priority Mail postage and insurance on final bid amount. International bidders please contact me before bidding to assure that item can be mailed to you with Global Priority Mail. Payment via PayPal ONLY. There's no way you will find a better example. This is not a reprint, it is 100% original. Article: 337721 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" Subject: Jackson Tele Volter 706 Message-ID: <1dbvg.45219$zy5.912172@twister1.libero.it> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:08:29 GMT Looking for schematics.. user manual or whatever may be useful to restore it, scans or copies, glad to pay for them. -- Daniele http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 337722 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Another frustrating one Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:15:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20263-44BD4179-1164@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> References: >better to just put in a pair of diodes and a >resistor and leave the tube completely >out of the radio... >JOhn k9uwa Question is- since the B+ will come on instantly with the diodes, is the filters' voltage rating gonna give enough headroom before the tubes warm up? oc Article: 337723 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:20:08 -0400 "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:aD8vg.41563$FQ1.6385@attbi_s71... > In article , > personne@perdu.com > says... >> >> >> >> >>Syl >> >> > Yo Syl ... what happened to your website?.. went to look at your bit about > making new old resistors.. the tech stuff won't work on the site.. > > John k9uwa Hi John, Restructuring the website. Will be done in a few dayz. You can still access the previous interface here: http://www.oldradioz.com/old_index.html Syl Article: 337724 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 18 Jul 2006 13:31:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1153254715.796393.119430@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1152890558.345301.54780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Ken G. wrote: > I agree the radio was some sort of cheap made thing .. but hay it was > nicer than that couch . Hahaha, Actually, aside from the dust, I really didn't mind the furniture and decor on that set, it looked OK, just like a regular house. Wonder what that stereo radio and tape deck were in the background, going towards the backyard door. Also in the kitchen area there was a little 13" TV set and early on in the show what looked like a wedge-shaped plastic radio with a large tuning knob - like one of those 1960s tube jobbies. Sometimes I wouldn't mind having a big-ass house like that, I'll tell you right now. :) And I always had a soft-spot for "the Mighty Dodge". -- Stephanie (white trash all the way) Weil NYC Article: 337725 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Gindlesberger" References: <21080-44BC0326-334@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <1153242947.837442.240910@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: ALL BUT FORGOTTEN Message-ID: <1Fcvg.4182$RV.1373@trnddc08> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:46:37 GMT I'm curious--what does it look like? Picture? John "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153242947.837442.240910@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Bill Turner wrote: >> SEVERAL YEARS AGO I USED LEFT OVER LENGTHS OF DOWEL FROM MAKNG LOOP >> ANTENNAS AS THE HANDLE FOR A TIME SAVER USED TO COIL THE ENDS A >> CAPACITORS > > I still have mine too Bill, and use it all the time. Handiest > pigtailing tool ever. > > Tox > Article: 337726 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 18 Jul 2006 14:56:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1153259809.539257.26260@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: Terry S wrote: > You really didn't have to share that bit of personal data. > > But then it's just another bit of your troll-ism. > > cuhu...@webtv.net wrote: > > Kind of like Mercedes Benz cars,,, too much complicated stuff to get the > > job done.I own a Rolex Oyster Perpetual stainless steel wristwatch.I > > bought it at the U.S.Navy (I was in the U.S.Army,I Joined up,I didn't > > get drafted,RA 14808903) Fleet Store in Hong Kong on my five days R & > > R,1964That Rolex wristwatch didn't keep much better time than my old > > wind up Timex wristwatch.I quit wearing a wristwatch (and undies too) > > years and years ago. > > cuhulin He's not a troll, dammit! This has something to do with the way he protests all the anti-homo stuff on rec.radio....Some people have no patience or decorum somedays as it is. Yippee. Article: 337727 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 18 Jul 2006 15:00:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1153260003.920344.314780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: jim menning wrote: > "Terry S" wrote in message > news:1153241962.023599.95710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > You really didn't have to share that bit of personal data. > > > > Or 99 and 44/100 of his other inane and insipid posts. > > > > > But then it's just another bit of your troll-ism. > > > > I think he and the other fatuous resident troll should become pen-pals, and leave the > newsgroup alone. > > jim menning You're one of the petulant ones, and you are entitled to whatever opinion you wish. You violated Miss Manners some time ago. Article: 337728 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 18 Jul 2006 15:02:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1153260137.655568.54840@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: Steven wrote: > jim menning wrote: > > "Terry S" wrote in message > > news:1153241962.023599.95710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > You really didn't have to share that bit of personal data. > > > > > > > Or 99 and 44/100 of his other inane and insipid posts. > > > > > > > > But then it's just another bit of your troll-ism. > > > > > > > I think he and the other fatuous resident troll should become pen-pals, and leave the > > newsgroup alone. > > > > jim menning > > You're one of the petulant ones, and you are entitled to whatever > opinion you wish. You violated Miss Manners some time ago. PS I'm not Israel and I know I'll last a while. Article: 337729 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Solution -- sort of Date: 18 Jul 2006 15:06:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1153260408.866547.139990@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: I had a look at the box on the binaries, and it would appear to be a matching transformer for either the "Under the Running Board" or "Under car" antenna system, or possibly for the "In the Roof" antenna that were all popular about that time. Some cars even had a piece of 'chicken wire screen' [with a leadout wire] insulated inside the fabric centre roof panel right from the factory. In all these systems, the parallel capacitance of the antenna was very large compared to a rod antenna in relatively free space, so some form matching was needed to get any sort of reception at all. I think you said the antenna was on the roof, but was it a whip or in the fabric panel? Neil S. Gary Tayman wrote: > Okay, here's the verdict: > > That mystery box is some sort of balun or RF trap, and IS part of the > original radio. I didn't see it in the Rider's at first, but there it is, > going off the left side of the page as if they didn't "plan ahead." > > I did a little final tweaking and cleaning, let the radio play for awhile, > and I think it's finally ready to go. > > As for the others, forget them for now. It's time to pour a cold, tall one, > sit back and relax, and rest awhile. > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:oZ5vg.8719$A8.2317@trnddc02... > > Are we having fun yet? > > > > So I set this aside to work on something else -- a 49 Ford. Another one > > that pulls current -- may be a power transformer. So back on the shelf it > > goes, and out comes a 53 Buick. Tuner broken, volume control broken, no > > audio, no signal, whatta mess! > > > > So what the heck -- out comes the 37 Ford again. Went to that box of > > tubes in the garage, found an 84 right on top. Plugged it in, the radio > > plays! WHEW! Thanks everyone. > > > > I'm sure it's obvious to you all, I've got some pretty sad stuff around > > here -- but the most burned-out piece of equipment in the entire shop > > right now is -- ME! > > > > In any case, I'm not quite done with the 37 Ford. There is a metal box > > that the fellow gave me with the radio, and he asked me what it is. It > > was plugged into the antenna connector, and has a long stretch of wire > > wrapped up. Since the antenna is mounted at the top of the windshield, > > this box is obviously not original -- but what is it? He may have to use > > it, as the connector on the radio is a bayonet type and the antenna is a > > Motorola plug. Still, it's a mystery. I suspect it's some sort of wave > > trap. I've got a photo on the binaries. > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > > news:dJUug.3625$RV.130@trnddc08... > >> Okay guys, I've got another one that's got my goat. > >> > >> This is an F-1440, radio from a 37 Ford. > >> > >> This radio has been a mess -- I've spent so many hours on it that the > >> customer probably owes me the car. But I've rebuilt the thing end to > >> end, and it's playing beautifully -- well, almost. > >> > >> When I service one of these radios, I start by removing the vibrator and > >> rectifier. Then with a 6 volt power supply to the filaments, and a 250 > >> volt DC supply to the B+, I apply power, monitoring current all the > >> while. Once I had the radio playing, I then replaced caps, a couple at a > >> time, checking periodically to ensure everything's still playing as good > >> or better than a few minutes ago. The very last caps to be replaced were > >> the filters, which were still good but -- you know -- replace them. > >> Again, apply power, radio sounds great. > >> > >> So -- time to do the very last thing. Install a new vibrator, install > >> the rectifier, and play the radio under its own power. As soon as the > >> rectifier (84) warms up, it starts to pull current HARD! Remove the 84 > >> and test -- current is fine. Reinstall the 84, strong current. Remove > >> the 84 and reconnect the power supply, radio plays fine. Without the > >> rectifier I get about 360 volts AC from either side of the power > >> transformer secondary to ground, around 700 across it entirely. > >> > >> Any ideas? > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com > >> > >> > > > > Article: 337730 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Not exactly antique, but does anyone recognize this radio? Date: 18 Jul 2006 15:08:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1153260520.724839.191660@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1152890558.345301.54780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Stephanie Weil wrote: > > > > Ken G. wrote: > > > I agree the radio was some sort of cheap made thing .. but hay it was > > > nicer than that couch . > > > > Hahaha, > > > > Actually, aside from the dust, I really didn't mind the furniture and > > decor on that set, it looked OK, just like a regular house. > > > > Wonder what that stereo radio and tape deck were in the background, > > going towards the backyard door. > > > > Also in the kitchen area there was a little 13" TV set and early on in > > the show what looked like a wedge-shaped plastic radio with a large > > tuning knob - like one of those 1960s tube jobbies. > > > > Sometimes I wouldn't mind having a big-ass house like that, I'll tell > > you right now. :) > > > > And I always had a soft-spot for "the Mighty Dodge". > > -- > > Stephanie (white trash all the way) Weil > > NYC > > > > AKA Dodgezilla? The one they lost at the car wash? Even THAT was a Plymouth Duster..I saw the grille. Article: 337731 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 18 Jul 2006 15:10:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1153260650.106575.43360@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > ptrisha wrote: > > What? I have better things to do than to try to sell imaginary radios. To > > all the other inquiries, I'm thinking $3500. A bluebird recently sold for > > $7800 in excel condition on Ebay. > > Anywhere/way you can posts (or send) pictures? > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA You lost everybody here but the Sultan of Brunei, Trish. Article: 337732 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <26665-44BD0FE1-346@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> <1153241962.023599.95710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1153260003.920344.314780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:34:54 GMT "Steven" wrote in message news:1153260003.920344.314780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > You're one of the petulant ones... You bring out the best in us. jim menning Article: 337733 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Yet another one Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:40:50 -0700 Message-ID: <17499-44BD6372-1007@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> References: Gary: Nothing like a cold one or two as a troubleshooting aid huh? :-) oc Article: 337734 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Chris F." References: <1153248899.344114.192850@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sparton 98 Console Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:57:58 GMT That's what I figured. I located a (somewhat) similar schematic and was able to get the radio going, so all I need now is the dial glass. Chances are the owner will have to be satisfied with the original glass, as finding a replacement isn't likely. "nesesu" wrote in message news:1153248899.344114.192850@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > Chris, I see that there are two listngs for the Sparton 99 in the RCC > according to MYE. An early model is in RCC on page Sparton 2, while a > later model 99 (1938-39) is on page Sparton 63. > Also, according to MYE, the Sparton models 88, 98 and 108 are all > similar, but none are listed as having an RCC diagram. > As an aside, any given model from a manufacturer [does not apply to > 'branders'] will generally have a circuit quite similar to other models > from about the same years, as long as you 'read between the lines' a > bit. Usually they did not totally redesign sets, but made incremental > changes from model to model and year to year, so a close look at the > data sheets from the period will often allow putting together a useable > schematic from a section of this and a section of that, using the > chassis as a reference. > > Neil S. > > Chris F. wrote: >> Someone recently brought this nice console to me for restoration, it >> looks >> like a pretty straightforward job but there are a couple of things I need >> help with. First, I cannot locate a schematic for this. The model 99 >> schematic is not close, I'm not sure why the 98 is not listed in the RCC >> index. >> Second, I wondered if anyone has replacement dial glass for this radio. >> The plastic bubble is fine, but the mirrored glass with the numbers on it >> is >> cracked (suggesting that someone broke it while the chassis was removed >> for >> repairs). If anyone has a dial for this please let me know. >> Thanks. >> -- >> To reply via Email, remove NOSPAM from the address > Article: 337735 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 18 Jul 2006 15:58:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1153263528.275575.263650@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: jim menning wrote: > "Steven" wrote in message > news:1153260003.920344.314780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > You're one of the petulant ones... > > You bring out the best in us. > > jim menning I don't even want to speculate what you mean by that, James. Article: 337736 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Yet another one Date: 18 Jul 2006 16:00:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1153263653.538620.4760@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: Bill Sheppard wrote: > Gary: > Nothing like a cold one or two as a troubleshooting aid > huh? :-) > oc Diet Shasta Root Beer of Sierra Mist Free, please. Article: 337737 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Yet another one Date: 18 Jul 2006 16:01:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1153263660.289174.112680@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Bill Sheppard wrote: > Gary: > Nothing like a cold one or two as a troubleshooting aid > huh? :-) > oc Diet Shasta Root Beer of Sierra Mist Free, please. Article: 337738 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Yet another one Date: 18 Jul 2006 16:01:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1153263665.703819.70710@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Bill Sheppard wrote: > Gary: > Nothing like a cold one or two as a troubleshooting aid > huh? :-) > oc Diet Shasta Root Beer of Sierra Mist Free, please. Article: 337739 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: FA: Western Electric Amplifier manual, MINT!!! Date: 18 Jul 2006 16:04:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1153263849.695930.245800@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > Western Electric model 6025B Amplifier manual, MINT!!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200006883405&ssPageName=A > DME:B:EF:US:2 > > This Western Electric manual looks like it just came out of a time machine. > It is MINT+. > This is for the very rare model 6025B amplifier. > You're not likely to find a better example of a 1920s piece of paper, > anywhere. > > Buyer to pay Priority Mail postage and insurance on final bid amount. > International bidders please contact me before bidding to assure that item > can be mailed to you with Global Priority Mail. > > Payment via PayPal ONLY. > > There's no way you will find a better example. > > This is not a reprint, it is 100% original. That's still cool, but I need twp 6025B amps if I did. Article: 337740 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Yet another one Date: 18 Jul 2006 16:06:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1153263995.936692.189040@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: Sorry. used an Army form for the request but typed hard enough to make all the copies. From babushka{AT}dom{DOT}com Tue Jul 18 23:55:35 EDT 2006 Article: 337741 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:07:28 -0500 From: "Bob" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono References: <44B01C21.E37EC970@earthlink.net> <44B1C133.8D85C95E@earthlink.net> <44B86CF9.E440976A@earthlink.net> <44B9AD8E.633F7A5D@earthlink.net> <07WdnZ7IvZlv0yfZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com> <44BA5139.7023749B@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: More sensitivity? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:06:26 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.162.7.235 X-Trace: sv3-PqwaVMe2YfVJU2tguMwjJSHTZ0lSsl5aOG9RjlUSkYxuIIJh9w6+V+x1Mf+82Z2EK2FjIph7UpVeFRb!tGulXYoPhupDXR+2shAiK0SLi7D/jDgI40yK553aTEqXNUHXPxdC4tVrg8pClMSS9grIRJxoa1Tr!ZeRvsIY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.196.98.141!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337741 "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44BA5139.7023749B@earthlink.net... > Bob wrote: >> >> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message >> news:44B9AD8E.633F7A5D@earthlink.net... >> > >> > >> > How did you couple the signal generator to the radio? >> > >> >> Through a small loop (turns) of wire. > > > How close to the radio's antenna? If its too close it will detune > the front end. The preferred method is through a small capacitor, or a > 10K ohm resistor to reduce loading the tuned circuit, unless the radio > has an antenna terminal. If it does, you need a matching network > between the signal generator and the radio. > > Does the radio have an RF amp stage (three section tuning capacitor), > or does the antenna go straight to the converter stage? > > Is there a local 50 KW station on the low end of the band? > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida The antenna is a built in loopstick, no chance to move it around. No provisions for an external antenna. The tuning cap is 2 gang, no rf stage. I have several 50k stations nearby, WLS 890, WGN 720, WBBM 780, WSCR 670. I'm not sure what this has to do with the sensitivity of the radio...(?) Can you please explain the proper way to get the signal from the RF generator to the radio? You mention "through a small capacitor"...What value of capacitor, why type of capacitor? I have a feeling I have the rf signal too strong, although my generator has no provision for turning down the output. Thanks! Article: 337742 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ALL BUT FORGOTTEN From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <21080-44BC0326-334@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <1153242947.837442.240910@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1Fcvg.4182$RV.1373@trnddc08> Message-ID: <5Vdvg.844316$084.111744@attbi_s22> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:12:01 GMT In article <1Fcvg.4182$RV.1373@trnddc08>, jhgphd@verizon.net says... > > >I'm curious--what does it look like? Picture? > >John Hi John ... it is nothing but a piece of dowel rod about 4 inches long.... the handle... and sticking out of the end of it is a VERY stiff wire .... this allows you to wrap leads or wires around the end of the tool to make a spring looking end to the lead... and yes I have one from Bill ... and NO you can't have it.. I also use the tool on most every radio I operate on... John k9uwa Article: 337743 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Another frustrating one From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <20263-44BD4179-1164@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:13:45 GMT In article <20263-44BD4179-1164@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>, oldcoot@webtv.net says... > > >Question is- since the B+ will come on instantly with the diodes, is the >filters' voltage rating gonna give enough headroom before the tubes warm >up? > oc > > In the Auto Radio am sure that they will be OK .. so far never had a filter blow up in a home radio either... NO RADIO goes out of this place with a 6x5 tube in it .... and the 84 is a close 2nd cousin with same problem.. John k9uwa Article: 337744 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:18:37 GMT In article <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, cadyc@mchsi.com says... > > >No excuse for bad packing folks! > >Tox > >PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a >breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 > Jean visited today our local warehouse for one of the local appliance / furniture stores .. they are happy to also give us cardboard as well as all the other stuff .. yes they have a recycler that picks it up ... but they have to PAY him for hauling the stuff away.... will be packing up a console cabinet this evening ... real close to totally free packing materials.. Anytime we get low on cardboard and packing we visit the same warehouse .. JOhn k9uwa Article: 337745 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:35 GMT In article , personne@perdu.com says... > > >Hi John, > >Restructuring the website. Will be done in a few dayz. You can still access >the >previous interface here: http://www.oldradioz.com/old_index.html > >Syl > > Thanks Syl and others about the epoxy etc... no hurry for me .. its a radio project that I will be doing this winter. Just want to get all the stuff we need ahead of time for this one. John k9uwa Article: 337746 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: BEITMANN"S 1929-1957 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:40:15 -0500 Message-ID: <5350-44BD715F-2026@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> ALL INCLUSIVE, TWO OF MANY ISSUES. EXCELLENT CONDITION. $135.00 INCLUDING SHIPPING. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337747 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Fred C" References: <44bb044d@news.meer.net> <1153141522.661094.200180@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: radio bias cells Message-ID: <44bd8e64$1@news.meer.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:43:57 -0400 I did a search and found a few web sites one of which gave rejuvenation info. Site was: www.philcorepairbench.com/biascell.htm Two methods of rejuvenation were shown. One is to uncrimp cap over the carbon, dissassemble add pure water and reassemble. Result- maxout put on VTVM and dig. meter was about .5 volt. This was on a small unit whose diameter is 7/16 inch. The other- diameter is 5/8 inch. Drilled .04 hole through carbon, and inserted water through to bottom of cap. Voltage only came to .95 volts which is disappointing. I have read that original voltage was 1.2 to 1.5 volts. So far, repair doesn't look to good. I have used watch batteries before with good results. Fred Crews Article: 337748 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: Wax covered capacitors from the 1950s Message-ID: <3tgvg.96551$8W2.1403182@wagner.videotron.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:07:07 -0400 "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:D8evg.1087135$xm3.274381@attbi_s21... > In article , > personne@perdu.com > says... >> >> >>Hi John, >> >>Restructuring the website. Will be done in a few dayz. You can still >>access >>the >>previous interface here: http://www.oldradioz.com/old_index.html >> >>Syl >> >> > Thanks Syl and others about the epoxy etc... no hurry for me .. its > a radio project that I will be doing this winter. Just want to get > all the stuff we need ahead of time for this one. > > John k9uwa Oops, try this one: http://www.oldradioz.com/old_index.htm HTM not HTML Syl Article: 337749 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 18 Jul 2006 19:34:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1153276496.776663.194540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > In article <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > cadyc@mchsi.com says... > > > > > >No excuse for bad packing folks! > > > >Tox > > > >PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a > >breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 > > > > Jean visited today our local warehouse for one of the local > appliance / furniture stores .. they are happy to also give > us cardboard as well as all the other stuff .. yes they have > a recycler that picks it up ... but they have to PAY him for > hauling the stuff away.... > > will be packing up a console cabinet this evening ... real close > to totally free packing materials.. > > Anytime we get low on cardboard and packing we visit the same > warehouse .. > > > JOhn k9uwa Used bubble wrap is starting to become scarcer here, as is polyfoam/vinyl wrap and styrofoam sheeting. Methinks my po'folk brethren are either catching on or less of it is being used and more judiciously. When really nice stereos start to become cheaper than shipping, you might expect that. You have a great setup. Article: 337750 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:35:01 -0400 Message-ID: <12bra3gd2c5orb8@corp.supernews.com> References: Hell, 38-116 and 37-116's both went for under well $100- each today too. But my friend in NJ was not psyched about driving 200 miles and borrowing a truck and holding this 2nd one 'til Kutztown for me- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&item=270006735157 http://cgi.ebay.com/PHILCO-ANTIQUE-TUBE-RADIO-38-116_W0QQitemZ110007718950QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38034 John H. Article: 337751 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12bra3gd2c5orb8@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:53:11 -0400 Message-ID: wow, both unreal "steals"! Shows there are super quality sets out there at bargain prices... on that "Evil eBay"! great scores, Yonny. Mark Oppat "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12bra3gd2c5orb8@corp.supernews.com... > Hell, 38-116 and 37-116's both went for under well $100- each today too. > But my friend in NJ was not psyched about driving 200 miles and borrowing a > truck and holding this 2nd one 'til Kutztown for me- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&item=270006735157 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/PHILCO-ANTIQUE-TUBE-RADIO-38-116_W0QQitemZ110007718950QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38034 > > John H. > > >