From grargall@alphalink.com.au Sat Aug 7 23:54:54 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:44:05 +1000 From: Argall Family To: Greg & Lei Gunthorp , Lorin Unterberger , sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: RE: organic chicken feed recipes. [ The following text is in the "iso-8859-1" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ] [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] I wonder if the highest value of the soy beans might not be as a rotation, to broadcast into tired crop areas, for nitrogen fixing, before allowing the poultry to free range through the weeds and soy bean plants [not aware of any toxicity in the plants]. Aside from Greg's comment on treating beans before feeding with them, legumes tend to be around 35% protein, and chicks, growers and layers need protein value declining form about 17 to 13% or so, so soy beans would be a good protein lift. Generally, our birds have a great preference for variety. They go crazy over the occasional treat of what is sold here as pigeon mix, with a protein content around 25%, and with big variety of seeds. With some chicken breeds, e.g. Isa Brown, you have to be careful, as high protein diets tend to produce bird-busting big eggs. Hence my thought that the highest value of the soy beans might be to feed them to the soil, allow them to help strengthen fallow ground with their strong growth and nitrogen fixing, before running the chickens through as clean-up and manuring tractors. Dennis To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "unsubscribe sanet-mg". If you receive the digest format, use the command "unsubscribe sanet-mg-digest". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". All messages to sanet-mg are archived at: http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail From hey4hogs@kuntrynet.com Sat Aug 7 23:55:29 1999 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:18:20 -0500 From: Greg & Lei Gunthorp To: Argall Family , Lorin Unterberger , sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: organic chicken feed recipes. [ The following text is in the "ISO-8859-1" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ] [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] Why can't they genetically engineer a soybean plant with no trypsin inhibitors? :) Seriously though, ladino clover as a ground reconditioner and as a source of protein for non-ruminants can not be beat. Soybeans as a grazing crop have a very narrow harvesting window. Been there and done that on ones that the weeds got away from me on. I would think brassicas would be a better choice for annuals. Is anybody doing any work on a soybean plant that can be fed without making the bean crushers rich (ie ADM, price fixer to the world and the likes)? Best wishes, Greg Gunthorp Free Range hog farmer ---------- > From: Argall Family > To: Greg & Lei Gunthorp ; Lorin Unterberger ; sanet-mg@ces.ncsu.edu > Subject: RE: organic chicken feed recipes. > Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 7:44 PM > > I wonder if the highest value of the soy beans might not be as a rotation, > to broadcast into tired crop areas, for nitrogen fixing, before allowing the > poultry to free range through the weeds and soy bean plants [not aware of > any toxicity in the plants]. > > Aside from Greg's comment on treating beans before feeding with them, > legumes tend to be around 35% protein, and chicks, growers and layers need > protein value declining form about 17 to 13% or so, so soy beans would be a > good protein lift. Generally, our birds have a great preference for variety. > They go crazy over the occasional treat of what is sold here as pigeon mix, > with a protein content around 25%, and with big variety of seeds. With some > chicken breeds, e.g. Isa Brown, you have to be careful, as high protein > diets tend to produce bird-busting big eggs. Hence my thought that the > highest value of the soy beans might be to feed them to the soil, allow them > to help strengthen fallow ground with their strong growth and nitrogen > fixing, before running the chickens through as clean-up and manuring > tractors. > > Dennis > > > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command > "unsubscribe sanet-mg". If you receive the digest format, use the command > "unsubscribe sanet-mg-digest". > To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command > "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". > > All messages to sanet-mg are archived at: > http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "unsubscribe sanet-mg". If you receive the digest format, use the command "unsubscribe sanet-mg-digest". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". All messages to sanet-mg are archived at: http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail From hey4hogs@kuntrynet.com Sat Aug 7 23:56:31 1999 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:20:25 -0500 From: Greg & Lei Gunthorp To: Nathan/Rachna Boone Cc: sanet Subject: Re: organic chicken feed recipes. [ The following text is in the "ISO-8859-1" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ] [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] Ladino clover is a cool season pasture component that will run the highest levels of protein and amino acid levels (protein building blocks) of any pasture species. It will easily bloat ruminants if it makes up too much of a percentage of the pasture. I would strongly suggest you go to the University library and pick up some old books on poultry production. An old Morrison Feeds and Feeding, pre 1960, would be a good place to start. I've got several old hog production books around here. I used to have an old poultry production book. The research has already been done to demonstrate the effectiveness of various pasture species in non-ruminant animal production. Ladino clover was clearly the best choice. It might be debatable now days whether alfalfa should be the king of pastures for chickens and hogs because a lot more money has been spent on grazing alfalfa species. A good non-ruminant grazing program in the midwest can be built around clovers, alfalfa, brassicas(primarily rape), and some vegetative grass. Percentage reduction in feed is going to depend a lot on the quality of pasture grown. I've got sows that I haven't fed since January. They gleaned corn fields all winter and are doing just fine now on pasture. We are getting so dry now that I'm going to have to start feeding them. Good luck, Greg Gunthorp Free Range Hog Farmer ---------- > From: Nathan/Rachna Boone > To: Greg & Lei Gunthorp > Subject: Re: organic chicken feed recipes. > Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 11:36 PM > > Dear Greg, > > What's so special about ladino clover and non-ruminants? I'm > working with a pastured poultry project here in New Mexico and I'm all ears > for non-corn/soy feeding options for more protein. > > Have you every looked at cowpeas as a substitute for soy? I don't > have any nutritional info available, but think it could be a solution for > on-farm feed without expensive processing. Any thoughts? > > > Thanks, > > > Nathan Boone > Agricultural Consultant > 200-B Callecita Place > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > Tel: 505.992.0649 > Fax: 508.302.7761 > Email: nrboone@roadrunner.com > To Unsubscribe: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "unsubscribe sanet-mg". If you receive the digest format, use the command "unsubscribe sanet-mg-digest". To Subscribe to Digest: Email majordomo@ces.ncsu.edu with the command "subscribe sanet-mg-digest". All messages to sanet-mg are archived at: http://www.sare.org/san/htdocs/hypermail