From: Wes Williams (WesWilliams@usa.net)
Date: Sat Dec 25 1999 - 09:27:37 EST
Dear Steve and Bill,
There has been considerable emphasis on examples in the GNT on whether or
not EIMI, when used with an adverbial phrase indicating past time, should be
copulative or "timeless." "Lack of examples" is frequently cited as a
rejection of alternatives. But there are parallels to support such
alternatives. I would appreciate your comments specifically on the parallels
that were surfaced earlier in the thread.
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:50:32 EST, Greg Stafford addressed the point about
"examples":
>>McKay is the only one of these grammarians to actually translate John
8:58.
He does so as follows, "I have been in existence since before Abraham was
born." ... <snip for brevity>
uses of EIMI as an extending-from-the-past present. If so,
then we could cite at least two examples from the NT (Joh 14:9; 15:27) and
at
least four from the LXX (Ge 31:38, 41; Jg 16:17; Ps 90:2). <<
To take just one of these examples, how would you translate the present
'form' of EIMI used with a past-time clause at John 14:9?
TOSOUTWi CRONWi MEQ hUMWN EIMI
Sincerely,
Wes Williams
Here are some other translations from popular English translations:
KJV John 14:9 Have I been so long time with you
ASV John 14:9 Have I been so long time with you
NAS John 14:9 "Have I been so long with you
NAB John 14:9 "Have I been so long with you
NWT John 14:9 "Have I been with YOU men so long a time
NIV John 14:9 "even after I have been among you such a long time?
TEV John 14:9 "For a long time I have been with you all;
NRS John 14:9 "Have I been with you all this time
NKJ John 14:9 "Have I been with you so long
BLE John 14:9 "I have been with you such a long time,
WEB John 14:9 Have I been so long time with you
RWB John 14:9 Have I been so long time with you,
LIV John 14:9 even after all this time I have been with you?
BBE John 14:9 have I been with you all this time,
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