From: Carl W. Conrad (cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu)
Date: Sun Feb 20 2000 - 07:07:52 EST
This is another belated contribution to the thread on Rev 1:4 that came to
me rather than to the list, so I am sending it on to the list.
>Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:33:57 +0200
>From: "John Dixon" <zoelife@webmail.co.za>
>To: cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu
>
>This phrase seems more to do with expectation of He Who is coming than
>anything else.
>Though it is certainly apocalyptically eschatological in nature it is
>also a source of comfort to those who wait not just in its
>anticipation but also in its present reality
>John Dixon
>
>On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:27:20 -0600 Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>
>>At 6:43 PM -0600 2/11/00, dell linn wrote:
>>> In the phrase, 'who is and who was and who is to come', is the
>use of
>>>ERCHOMAI an idiom? Must this latter part of the phrase refer to
>eternal
>>>existence in the future or can it refer to an actual event (an
>actual
>>>coming)? Please support your answer.
>>
>>I see there has been no other response to this as yet. Suffice it to
>say
>>that ERCETAI is common in an apocalyptic sense especially, for
>example:
>>Matt. 17:11 HLIAS MEN ERCETAI KAI APOKATASTHSEI PANTA
>>Matt. 21:5 EIPATE THi QUGATRI SIWN: IDOU hO BASILEUS SOU ERCETAI SOI
>PRAUS ...
>>Matt. 24:42 GRHGORETE OUN, hOTI OUK OIDATE POIAi hHMERAi hO KURIOS
>hUMWN
>>ERCETAI
>>
>>My impression is that this is an expression in Hebrew, "he that
>>cometh"--and if I recall aright, there was a celebrated book on the
>topic
>>(I haven't read it) by Sigmund Mowinckel, _He that Cometh_.
>>
>>So yes, although I don't think it would be said that ERCOMAI in the
>older
>>Greek tradition has the particular sense of referring to the future
>(Homer
>>refers to TA ESSOMENA when he says that the Muses know past, present
>and
>>future), yet within the Greek-speaking Jewish tradition it does have
>that
>>sense. If I'm wrong about this, I doubt not that someone will correct
>me.
>>
>>> Also, is 'seven spirits' an allusion to the Holy Spirit or is it
>>>reference to angels or other created beings? Please give support
>for your
>>>choice.
>>
>> This I'll leave to the apocalyptic buffs.
>>
>>--
>>
>>Carl W. Conrad
>//--------------------------------------
>John Dixon
>zoelife@webmail.co.za
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