From: Kevin W. Woodruff (cierpke@prodigy.net)
Date: Thu Apr 27 2000 - 16:23:59 EDT
<x-charset iso-8859-1>A good source for this topic is
K–stenberger, Andreas, ed; Schreiner, Thomas R, ed; Baldwin, H
Scott, ed
Women in the church: a fresh analysis of 1 Timothy 2:9-15 Grand
Rapids: Baker., 1995.
At 11:18 AM 4/27/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Jim,
> Thanks for your response. I have flopped back and forth on this,
>and I have read the grammars on this (BD & Rob), and still don't see an
>objective way to argue for or against this view. I have a high respect
>for your work, so this lends strong support for this view, especially in
>view of the fact that this reading is "polliticaly incorrect" yet you
>think that this is what the author intended.
>
>Michael
>
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Jim West wrote:
>
>> At 10:16 AM 4/27/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>> > The question comes with regard to the relationship of the two
>> >clauses and *oude*. Does the not allowing "a woman to teach" only relate
>> >to the "man," [that is the sentence is stating that the woman cannot teach
>> >a *man* but can teach women and children] could it be that the first
>> >clause stands independently, and thus a woman is simply not allowed to
>> >teach. He is affirming the latter, but I cannot figure an objective way
>> >to either deny or affirm his exegesis.
>> > I am well aware of the ramifications of this question and I am
>> >quite aware of the other passages that relate to this question. I am
>> >concerned with the syntax of the sentence.
>>
>> Since its syntax that "taxes" you here (pun intended) Blass-Debrunner
>> suggest (in the 17th edition of their grammar), p. 374-5, that "oudh am
>> Satzanfang oder nach ou innerhalb desselben Satzstueckes = 'auch nicht',
>> 'nicht einmal'. But since the phrase you wonder about doesnt "begin" with
>> the word-- this is not necessarily applicable.
>>
>> Perhaps oudh here could be rendered "not even".... (see Robertson, p. 1185).
>>
>> In any event this in not a very politically correct way to render the
>> verse-- but I think that the author of 1 Tim meant just that-- that women
>> should be silent and not teach, and not even have any sort of authority---
>> over men.
>>
>> Over women and children??? Who knows. The passage doesn't seem to address
>> that issue at all.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Jim
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> Jim West, ThD
>> jwest@highland.net
>> http://web.infoave.net/~jwest
>>
>>
>>
>
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