From: Moon-Ryul Jung (moon@saint.soongsil.ac.kr)
Date: Tue Jan 23 2001 - 05:39:41 EST
Carlton,
you wrote:
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This discussion might want to branch out and include Luke 9:44 QESQE
hUMEIS
EIS TA WTA hUMWN TOUS LOGOUS TOUTOUS. You, put these words in your ears!
My
grandson would say Jesus told them to "stick it in their ear!"
As an aside, I would say that TOUTOUS is in the predicate position and
makes the object more demonstrative. Is that confusing? not much.
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This comment seemed to be made having my confusion in mind.
I said saying TOUTOUS is in the predicate position is misleading.
Now I know clearly that the predicate position has nothing to do with
predication (being predicate to something) but simply refers to the
position OUTSIDE of the article-noun configuration. What I am saying is
simply:
it is misleading to say that something is in the predicate position when
it has nothing
to do with predication.
This terminology has misled even Carl, although he regretted having made
misleading statements.
He said:
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I've sometimes wondered (but this is purely speculative on my part)
whether,
when we say (e.g.) EKEINOS hO ANHR HSPASATO ME,
are we then offering TWO predications about hO ANHR:
(1) he greeted/welcomed me (HSPASATO ME),
and (2) he is somewhat distant from me. Can the linguists enlighten us?
I really have only observed this this behavior of the demonstratives
and the demonstrative pronouns.
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I suspect that this statement was partly caused by the convention to call
EKEINOS to be in the
predicate position relative to hO ANHR.
To me, EKEINOS is a modifier within an NP which is required to be
positioned OUTSIDE OF
the article-noun configuration. This position is in contrast to the
position of attributive or
descriptive adjectives which are required to be positioned WITHIN the
article-noun
configuration. The position outside of the article-noun configuration is a
predicate position
when it is a constituent of "noun sentence". But when it is a constituent
of a noun phrase,
it has nothing to do with predication and so should not be called to be in
the predicate position.
If my statement do not make much sense, I must miss something here. Please
help me then.
Moon
Moon-Ryul Jung
Associate Professor
Sogang Univ, Seoul, Korea
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