Please unsubscribe Michael Lachance from the permaculture list. I do not know if he is under the ex125@mail.vt.edu address or as mlachance@vt.edu or mlachance.vtvm1. Thanks, Joan Anderson Virginia Cooperative Extension Nelson County Office PO Box 298 Lovingston, VA 22949 (804) 263-4035 fax: (804) 263-4367