From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Jan 14 07:40:09 2001 Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by luna.oit.unc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05054 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00178 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:43:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200101141243.HAA00178@listserv.albany.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:42:59 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8d)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0009E" To: adamf@METALAB.UNC.EDU Content-Length: 35235 Lines: 756 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 02:14:30 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "David L. Green" Subject: Goldenrod Gallery of Visitors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Goldenrod is unique among the flowers. It gives our bees their last chance at a good winter feed. It is not only rich in nectar, but has a very high quality, protein-rich pollen. (Goldenrod is NOT responsible for your allergies. The pollen is heavy and sticky, designed for insect pollination, not wind. The only way to get goldenrod pollen in your nasal passages is to stick the flower up your nose! Wind-blown ragweed pollen is a more common culprit for allergies.) This plant gives us a unique opportunity to study pollinator/preditor/plant relationships. Goldenrod attracts more varieties of insects than just about any other flower. It really brings out the wasps, which may not even visit flowers until goldenrod blooms. Here is a photodocumentation of the all but one of the visitors seen on goldenrod in three days of observation. Only one small wasp was so spooky that it was impossible to catch her picture. Not only are there pollinators, but also large numbers of predators. You can see this series of pictures at: http://pollinator.com/goldenrod.htm Many of these are not identified, and if you can help pin these down, it would be appreciated. Tips on photography and how to maximize the study opportunity are quite welcome. Dave Green ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:07:03 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: A Rapid Field & Laboratory Method to Detect Varroa jacobsoni MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings! The below link pertains to "A Rapid Field & Laboratory Method to Detect = Varroa jacobsoni " Old news for some, but maybee of interest to those that did not read the = article ,printed in the bee journal. http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/fieldtest.htm Regards, Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com =20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:16:51 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: unsolicitated email MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received a note from www.localhoneyforsale.com asking for people to list their local honey and other honeybee related items for sale. These sites exist to collect data on their members and sell it to others. Nonetheless, sometimes it can be worthwhile to use their services to sell to others. I presume, but cannot be certain, that they got my email address from this list. Therefore others may also have been solicited. Before providing my personal data I tried to search for others who may have signed up. I used information I have on reliable beekeepers and searched in their area of the country. I tried 10 such searches, and each time was told that there was not any seller located in that area code or zip code! The email to me was signed by "Terence Golla", but I could not find any reference to that name in the current American Beekeeping Federation membership directory. The web site does not provide the name of any owner, founder, etc., nor did I find any way to contact them by email. I decided to not become a "member", which means that I did not provide the requested personal information. Lloyd Mailto: Lloyd@rossrounds.com. Lloyd Spear Owner, Ross Rounds, Inc. The finest in comb honey production. Visit our web site at http://www.rossrounds.com. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:21:19 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: unsolicitated email MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lloyd Spear wrote: > I presume, but cannot be certain, that they got my email > address from this list. Therefore others may also have been solicited. I too received the solicitation. However, if the addresses were lifted from BEE-L it can only be from individual postings. The list of subscribers is closed to all but the list owner. The subscription list was made private after a similar incident where an individual repeatedly submitted an ad to BEE-L and after 4 attempts with no approval, the ad was sent individually to each subscriber. localhoneyforsale.com must be targeting contributors, whose email addresses are listed in the archives. Aaron Morris - thinking some people will do ANYTHING for a buck. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:13:16 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: Re: unsolicitated email MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! Have you read their privacy statements? Link below: http://www.localhoneyforsale.com/policy/privacy.asp Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Spear" To: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 2:16 PM Subject: unsolicitated email > I received a note from www.localhoneyforsale.com asking for people to list > their local honey and other honeybee related items for sale. These sites > exist to collect data on their members and sell it to others. Nonetheless, > sometimes it can be worthwhile to use their services to sell to others. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:03:58 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: localhoneyforsale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Midnite Bee asked if the privacy statement had been reviewed. Yes, in detail. "They" (and not knowing who "they" are, is bothersome) promise that they will not give out the list to consumers. Again, the purpose of these sites is to accumulate email lists to sell to others. Obviously, only a business would buy a list! Lloyd Mailto: Lloyd@rossrounds.com. Lloyd Spear Owner, Ross Rounds, Inc. The finest in comb honey production. Visit our web site at http://www.rossrounds.com. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:33:46 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Michael Churchill Subject: Re: unsolicitated email In-Reply-To: <200009291815.OAA01474@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:16 PM 9/29/00 -0400, you wrote: >I received a note from www.localhoneyforsale.com asking for people to list >their local honey and other honeybee related items for sale. These sites >The email to me was signed by "Terence Golla", but I could not find any >reference to that name in the current American Beekeeping Federation >membership directory. The web site does not provide the name of any owner, >founder, etc., nor did I find any way to contact them by email. Lloyd, Perhaps this will help. This is the info on the DNS domain registration for honeyforsale.com (my comments in parens): Registrant: (this is who actually purchased the domain name) Cimarron Ravine Technologies 28313 E. 161st Street Coweta, Oklahoma 74429 United States Registrar: Dotster (http://www.dotster.com) (This is who they bought the domain through) Domain Name: LOCALHONEYFORSALE.COM Created on: 11-MAY-00 (This is when the domain first came into existance - i.e. how long they've been in this business) Expires on: 11-MAY-01 (the domain is paid for for one year - 1 or 2 years is typical) Last Updated on: 21-SEP-00 (DNS last updated their databse about this account a few days ago - typical) Administrative Contact: (This is who handles the bills) Golla, Terence tfgolla@cimarronravine.com Cimarron Ravine Technologies 28313 E. 161st Street Coweta, Oklahoma 74429 United States 918-486-8293 Technical Contact: (this is who handles the network maintainence on the domain) Golla, Terence tfgolla@cimarronravine.com Cimarron Ravine Technologies 28313 E. 161st Street Coweta, Oklahoma 74429 United States 918-486-8293 Domain servers in listed order: (FWIW, they are hosted at Interland in Atlanta, GA) DNS1.INTERLAND.NET DNS2.INTERLAND.NET Mike Churchill, Beginning Beekeeper | What's the buzz all about? mike.churchill@netmechanic.com http://www.netmechanic.com - Power Tools for Your Web Site Link and HTML testing, Server Reliability Testing, Website Promotion Tools ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:50:33 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Sascha Subject: Help needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone,I am first year beekeeper with two hives and need some = help.It seems to me that the stronger colony is robbing the weaker = colony,it also seems that the weaker colony for some reason has no = queen.I have seen that in the brood chamber there is no brood and = nothing else.The frames are empty.In the uper chamber there is still = some honey left.What should I do,can I save this colony or it is to late = because of the coming autumn. Thanks in advance and sorry if this is unappropriate place to ask such = questions. Sascha Mrkailo,Serbia PS:How can I get acces to archives off BEE-L? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:08:43 -0500 Reply-To: cspacek@ev1.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Curtis Spacek Subject: melting box thermostat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I robbed a thermostat from an old space heater which was thrown out by a neighbor.install a thermometer from the local auto parts store through a small holr drilled in the door near the top of the door.these are very accurate.be sure to seal the holes where the cord and thermometer enter the box.I have to open the door to adjust the thermostat but once set it doesn't need to be adjusted.mine has an on/off switch contained with the controller which is handy when the box is not in use.sugared honey can be taken from drums ,put in gallon jars and melted in a couple of days.wet honey can be dried this way also. Curtis Spacek ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 07:19:52 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: N Gravel Subject: Winterizing an observation hive ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone ! I have an observation hive of 8 medium size frames in 4 story high. The hive have a west entrance and is situated in a heated room. I am situated 100 mi. (160 km) north of Vancouver, BC, we have fairly = mild winter with snow on the ground for about 3 to 4 months of the year. What would be your suggestions for keeping that hive through the winter = in its location. My first concern would be nosema. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:20:17 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bob Harrison Subject: Attack of the Killer Bees! Hello All, "Attack of the Killer Bees" are the first words in a article on page 36 of the October 2000 "Outside" magazine. The article was wrote by Michelle Penze. Maybe Dr. Ericson or Dr. Kellum will remember talking to her as they are quoted in her article. I will only quote one sentance from the article so you can get the picture. quote: Within seconds,a black cloud of 15,000 furious *DRONES* poured out of a nearby tree and smothered her face and upper body with over 500 stings." The article has one picture of a bee closeup tring to make it appear scary with the below caption quote: Slingshot: Apis mellifera scutella,in your face The article was poorly done. Not even the name Scutellata was spelled correctly so the reader could research the subject on their own. Also all school childern are tought in school that drones have not got a stinger. I guess Miss Pentz missed this small fact which should make most readers wary of her article. I do not blame Dr. Ericison or Dr. Kellum as reporters have misquoted many people. I only caution all researchers and beekeepers to be on gaurd when dealing with reporters. Sincerely, Bob Harrison ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:27:10 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bob Harrison Subject: re Attack of the Killer bees Hello All, If you have not heard the group insurance for ABF members is changing companys with the old insurance company saying they simply can not provide coverage. Each bee operation will be evaluated on its own merits to see if coverage will be provided and a estimate will be mailed back after the forms are sent to their office. Before ALL ABF members were accepted. My form was mailed to Hartford about a week ago. I should know soon about the costs. The new company has raised the liability for the entry level policy by 1,000,000 so i expect the entry level fees to go up. Why the change? The basic policy went up by almost $100 two years ago with the old company after being the same all the time i have bought insurance. Why the change? "Attack of the Killer Bees" I believe the news media are and are going to be the problem. As * Joe Friday* from the old detective story said. We are only interested in the facts. Only the facts. Our local channel 5 reporter Brian Webb tried to turn a tragic wreck into a bee scare story last spring but the people involved all were aware of his motives. A semi loaded with beehives was sitting at the entrance to a rest area on I29 north in Platte county Missouri about six am in the morning . Two people in a car drunk drove into the back of the semi loaded with beehives. killing one of the people in the car. The axle was knocked crossways from the trailer on the semi and four hives of bees were dislodged from one skid. The driver of the truck was not charged as the truck was legally parked. Brian Webb called me wanting to come out and get a picture of a open hive of bees and ask a few questions. I said sure as long as you put in writing i get to approve the final story for correctness. Needless to say he didn't come out. When the story ran on the news the story was about how dangerous a load of millions of stinging bees were and very little about two drunk people in a car plowing into a parked semi of bees. People have to be pretty drunk to drive into a truck loaded with white beehives. The driver of the load of bees did not own the bees. He simply moved bees. The bees were picked up in a holding yard and he didn't know who owned the bees. He asked Brian" bees are freight to me and i carry insurance so what difference does the ownership matter to your story"? A company out of Kansas arrived to transfer the bees to another flatbed. They told Brian they were asked not to tell who hired them to transfer the beehives. Brian was very upset when he talked to me. I told him he should work on the car accident story and leave the "danger to the public angle out". On the evening of the second day the story was focused on the point that the car driver had been given a driving while intoxicated and that the bees had been removed without incident. My point is for all to understand that Brian Webb wanted to turn a tragic car wreck into a front page news story at the beekeeping industrys expense. When a wreck happens and the news media calls you try to do damage control for the benefit of the industry. Sincerely, Bob Harrison Beekeeper with a commercial truck drivers license. retired Teamster of 30 years over 2,000,000 miles without a chargeable accident. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:49:57 -0500 Reply-To: cspacek@ev1.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Curtis Spacek Subject: ragging on martha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I really don't understand the underlying attitudes towards martha stewart having bees in her back yard.the show apparrently has a very large viewer base.by mrs. stewart making it known she has bees probably has done far more to promote beekeeping and to educate the general populous as to the need for honey bees in our daily lives than most of us will ever accomplish in a lifetime.whether she is a so called bee-haver ( > which is not really a very nice thing to label someone and was coined by one of the list members in order to elevate himself above others ) or a beekeeper (a person who keeps bees) is not very important in the overall scheme of things.the objective was to promote bees and beekeeping by a t.v. personality ,for which we should all be thankful.pollinators are vital to the survival of a great many life forms,both plant and > animal, on this planet and there are a great number of people who haven't a clue as to the interdependance of various forms of life involved in producing the food on their dinner tables.my point in general is can't we put egos aside and work toward our common goals?martha stewart viewers may just be inclined to support beekeepers efforts in washington and be a little more willing to suppport spending tax dollars to fund > research projects and marketing efforts.beeing considered,as one list member noted,small potatoes in washington d.c. we surely can use and APPRECIATE all the help we can get from those sympathetic to our common goals. Thank you Martha!!! Curtis Spacek, 3rd generation Texas beekeeper ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 06:50:39 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: Help needed In-Reply-To: <200009301219.IAA01136@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have seen that in the brood chamber there is no brood and > nothing else.The frames are empty.In the uper chamber there is still > some honey left. What should I do,can I save this colony or it is to late > because of the coming autumn. Welcome to BEE-L. It is too late for a hive with no brood and 'nothing else'. At this point, just combine the two colonies for winter and split the large colony next spring. Check the archives for many ideas on how to combine. Just visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/ and follow the link about searching. Use the keyword 'combine' > Thanks in advance and sorry if this is unappropriate place to ask such questions. It is not exactly inappropriate, but this type of problem has been dealt with here many times in the past. As you guessed, the archives could be very helpful. As it happens, there is very little discussion on this list in the last few days, so we are inclined to let just about anything through -- just so people know that the list is still working. Otherwise we get email asking if BEE-L still works. On the other hand, when things get very busy, the moderators often just ignore basic beginner questions. The simple reason is that when the list volume gets too high we get email saying that there are too many posts on BEE-L, and some people even quit the list because they cannot keep up with the number of emails they get. I would like to remind people with good internet connections that the best way I have found to limit the volume is to visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BEE-L/, choose "How do I join BEE-L or change my subscription options?" and then choose the Index (HTML format) [HTML INDEX] option. That results in only one email a day no matter how much traffic there is but requires that you read BEE-L while connected to the net. Another solution is to set the options to 'Digest' which sends you one email a day with all the posts included. > PS:How can I get acces to archives off BEE-L? I hope this answers that question. allen --- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:44:51 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Attack of the Killer Bees! In-Reply-To: <200009301535.LAA03349@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:20 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: I don't know anything about Miss Pentz and have not seen the article. However, as per blaming or not blaming Drs. Erickson and Kellum - it may not simply be a matter of misquoting them. Over the last year, I have had the unpleasant experience of seeing numerous and often erroneous articles published about our work. These articles and web sites quote me extensively -- only problem, many of the reporters never talked to me. How a reporter can quote someone without talking to them is a mystery to me. Worst case was the article quoting Herb, who said he helped design and was a key player in our work. Only problem, we have no idea who Herb is. Cheers Jerry Jerry J. Bromenshenk jjbmail@selway.umt.edu http://www.umt.edu/biology/bees ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:38:00 -0500 Reply-To: busybeeacres@discoverynet.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: bob harrison Subject: Re: Winterizing an observation hive ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit N Gravel wrote: >>> > What would be your suggestions for keeping that hive through the winter = > in its location. > My first concern would be nosema. Hello all, I really wouldn't think bringing the hive through winter would be such a big task as long as you can feed and medicate them. Fumidil B by directions should take care of the nosema. You can feed by drilling a small hole in the top and using a bear. We take several through the winter in Missouri. We close their entrances but open their entrance when ever weather permits for cleansing flights. I think its really easier to put the observation hive back into a hive and build a new hive in the spring but being able to watch the bees all winter has its rewards. The biggest problem might be in the size of the nest. Both the observation hives at Osage Honey farm and the Berry Patch get cold enough trough the wall so that the queens stop laying and they do cluster for much of the winter. Without stored pollen i can't see that they would rear brood all winter. Your climate is different than ours so i may not be the beekeeper to answer your question only giving our experiances in case they might help. Sincerely, Bob Harrison ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:26:41 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Richard Yarnell Organization: Oregon VOS Subject: Re: Attack of the Killer Bees! In-Reply-To: <200009302047.QAA06804@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It is a nuissance, I'm sure, but it is very important to stop rogue reporters who are too lazy to do their homework and who are in a position to damage personal reputations and misrepresent the state of the art (any art). A letter to the Publisher or Managing Editor must be written every time misquoting, or mis-represention takes place. The reporter must learn that he's accountable. The other side of the coin is cooperation whenever possible but with the caveat that the article must be approved for accuracy prior to publication. If the media doesn't take pride it its work, the the rest of us have to take pride in what we do and insist that our work be properly represented to the rest of the world. On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Jerry J Bromenshenk wrote: > At 10:20 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > > I don't know anything about Miss Pentz and have not seen the article. > However, as per blaming or not blaming Drs. Erickson and Kellum - it may > not simply be a matter of misquoting them. Over the last year, I have had > the unpleasant experience of seeing numerous and often erroneous articles > published about our work. These articles and web sites quote me > extensively -- only problem, many of the reporters never talked to me. How > a reporter can quote someone without talking to them is a mystery to me. --------------- Richard Yarnell, SHAMBLES WORKSHOPS | No gimmick we try, no "scientific" Beavercreek, OR. Makers of fine | fix we attempt, will save our planet Wooden Canoes, The Stack(R) urban | until we reduce the population. Let's composter, fly tying benches | leave our kids a decent place to live. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:51:45 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: AL Subject: Re: ragging on martha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Curtis Spacek wrote: > > > I really don't understand the underlying attitudes towards martha stewart ... she has ... done far more to promote beekeeping ... than most of us will ever accomplish in a lifetime. I seriously doubt that. whether she is a so called bee-haver ( > > which is not really a very nice thing to label someone and was coined by one of the list members in order to elevate himself above others ) Actually I think it was coined by a master beekeeper to refer to folks who don't assume the full responsibility of caring for bees - sometimes like myself I'm sorry to say. BTW, does Martha assume the full responsibility or does she employ someone to do that for her? If I hire someone to cook for me, may I call myself a chef? If I hire someone to plow my land, may I call myself a farmer? If I... well you probably get my point. >martha stewart viewers may just be inclined to support beekeepers efforts in washington and be a little more > willing to suppport spending tax dollars to fund > > research projects and marketing efforts. If something Martha does promotes "spending tax dollars", that's enough reason to grab the remote. Thats enough reason to cancel the program!!! > in washington d.c. we surely can use and APPRECIATE all the help we can get from those sympathetic to our common goals. > In Washington DC, *everything* is for sale and *everything* has a price, including sympathy. I just don't have the spare coin to finance that sympathy.... AL -- Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt, British House of Commons ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:12:46 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Attack of the Killer Bees! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jerry Bromenshenk and others have commented on the devious behavior of reporters. It reminds me of the posting by Tom Sanford in a beta edition of his newsletter (May, 1999), as follows: ********** Here is the beta edition of the May Newsletter. Again, comments are solicited. Tom Sanford Apis-Apicultural Information and Issues Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Volume 17, Number 5, May 1999 The following should always be kept in mind when talking to reporters: 1. Individual Rights -- No one from the press has the right to violate your individual rights. 2. Honesty -- Never mislead or lie to a reporter. If the situation is under litigation, say this is so; if there is a question about profits, dollars or proprietary information, you can defer/refuse answering based on not informing competitors in the marketplace. 3. Buzz Words -- Never repeat an expression or inflammatory statement made by a reporter. As an example, if you are asked to what do you attribute this catastrophe, do not repeat the word "catastrophe." It then becomes attributable to you and you alone; you will "own" it. 4. Hostility -- Never get angry; keep cool and remember the reporter always has the last word. 5. Off the Record -- There is no such thing; if you don't want it reported, don't say it. 6. Estimates -- Never make numerical estimates in time or dollars. Say that the incident is under investigation and you will provide accurate information when it becomes available. 7. Reporter Verification -- Ask for identification, the purpose of a reporter's activities, media affiliation and telephone number. 8. Bridging -- Try to bridge the gap between a reporter's wish to be negative and providing a positive statement about your activity. 9. Statistics -- If you are not aware of statistics provided by a reporter, say so and ask for them in writing before commenting. 10. Deadlines -- All reporters are on deadlines, but you are not. Take all the time necessary to avoid hasty comments. The fact that a microphone is stuck in your face doesn't mean you have to say something. Dead air time is not likely to appear on television. ******** Those rules, of course, hardly apply when writers breach professional behavior to the extent given in the recent postings. Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 963-8508 (home phone) 967 Garcia Road (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 [http://www.beesource.com/pov/wenner/index.htm] ******************************************************************** * * "To have one's opinions prefabricated can be a source of great * comfort and relief. It relieves one of the responsibility of * choice." * Murray Levin, 1971 * ********************************************************************