From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 08:44:18 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-83.3 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,ADVANCE_FEE_2, AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8208E4856B for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SDdDJh012145 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:17 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0401B" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 82162 Lines: 1863 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 01:10:33 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chuck Norton Subject: Re: How many hives should there be in a yard? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lionel, FWIW you should also consider that colonies of feral honeybees are in far- far less numbers than there were in pre-Varroa & tracheal days such that a given area is able to support more production colonies than say 20 years ago, this is very true for sourwood yields. One of the things that you may want to consider doing is to take accurate records of yields of each hive in each yard in order to establish if there is sufficient pasturage for your hives. Say, if you run 30 hives per yard and yields for two of the yards are about the same but the other yard is off by 30% then you need to find out why: Was it because of pasturage or perhaps there’s a problem with your hives in that yard. Look at the numbers year after year they should tell you a lot. Some additional drawbacks of large yards are the spread of disease and mites; and also I hate to say a large yard can sometimes become a very small one overnight; but then too a small one can disappear overnight as well but, the loss is not as great. Chuck Norton Reidsville, NC (Where two hives side by side will fit into a yard quite well, with a NUC to spare!) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 01:30:32 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Leigh Hauter Subject: Re: How many hives should there be in a yard? Comments: cc: Chuck Norton In-Reply-To: <200401080610.i084q8um009797@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Our farm and hives are located in the middle of an Oak and Tulip tree forest in Virginia. When I took over the then 50 hives from my father-in -law 20 years ago I asked him what the upper number of hives he believed we could have at that one location. He said that he believed we could go well over 200 hives without beginning to tap the tulip tree nectar flow. I never tested his belief but I wonder what the concentration of hives would have to be before there would be more bees than nectar (that, of course, would apply to a normal year and not last year's disastrous flow from the Tulip trees). Any thoughts? :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:47:42 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bernard SAUBOT Subject: World Honey Price MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello peter and all, in the western european market, wholesale honey price have been = continuously rising for something like ten years . For this winter, the main floral qualities are sold in 300 l drums at = the following prices / kilogram : .Rape : 3 euros .Sunflower : 3 to 3.05 euros .Chesnut : 3.80 to 4 euros .Lime tree : no production .Lavender : 5.30 to 6.60 euros (very poor crop) .Alfalfa : 3.20 to 3.50 euros (with a good crop...) .Honeydew : around 3.50 to 3.80 euros, except if coming from firtree (6 = euros) .Polyfloral spring honey : 3.60 euros If you need more informations, feel welcome to ask Bernard Saubot :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:20:55 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Herv=E9=20Log=E9?= Subject: Re: World Honey Prices Comments: To: jfischer@supercollider.com In-Reply-To: <17d401c3d588$943cb1a0$7604c518@gollum> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Would anyone be interested in reporting sales > prices, quantities, > and such on an anonymous basis? > A group of people willing to try using the facility > and provide > feedback would be a big help, > Tell me what you think. I do not know how I could help but I would certainly be interested in using such tool. Hervé Laval, Qc - Canada _________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:51:10 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bernard SAUBOT Subject: G.M. bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gilles and Lee-Ann said : "Your customer is likely referring to = genetically modified plants" No, he does know what he says, he was wondering about honey foraged by = genetically modified bees, not as something existing for sure, but as = something that could happen in a near future -just questionning...- "Europe ... position is one of protectionism" I can assure that europeeans consumers position has very little -not to = say nothing- to see with protectionism . All kinds of public and private = informations have been largely given to the citizens, and : 1 the question of natural and uncontrolled spread of unwanted genes = to wild plants has never received satisfactory answers 2 most of the G.M. plants are modified to accept any amount of some = herbicides, without beeing affected, and the idea to eat those = herbicides seems unacceptable 3the final consumer must have the rigt to choose, and when given the = choice, more than 90 percent choose G.M.O. free food 4etc,etc,etc "I can drink and do enjoy excellent tap water..." Much probably, you don't really know precisely the quality of your tap = water . It would be very costy to make the required analysis to reach to = certitudes . And some fairly high level of residues of imidaclopride = (powerfull neuro-toxic from the neo-nicotinoid family) have been = recently found in underground water in Canada... Bernard SAUBOT :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:24:03 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: CSlade777@AOL.COM Subject: Re: How many hives to a yard? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 08/01/04 05:04:22 GMT Standard Time, LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU writes: > > If you are a migratory beekeeper chasing big crops as many as you can. > > I'm not sure what you mean here, Chris? If you are trying to make a > living, it would not make much (economical) sense to run 30 miles > (probably paying a helper) to work 10 hives? Dave, I was trying to separate commercial beekeepers who have to consider a whole range of economic issues to maximise their profits and will usually have to move hives around to do so, from the hobby beekeeper who just wants a hobby to pay for itself. Chris :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:36:15 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: World Honey prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernard said ".Lime tree : no production" For those Americans (and Canadians) who don't know...this is what we know as Linden, or Basswood. As the honey has a slight mint taste, the Europeans wisely call it a Lime Tree. (There are many species.) "Rape" is Canola...a type of mustard. "Honeydew", of course, is sap from evergreen trees! Something Americans several generations removed from their ancestry cannot imagine consuming, let alone collecting by the barrels (or drums)! Lloyd Lloyd Spear, Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacturers of Ross Rounds Comb Honey Equipment, Sundance Pollen Traps and Custom Printer of Sundance Labels. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:38:15 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: How many hives should there be in a yard? In-Reply-To: <1e9.16bebe86.2d2d7841@wmconnect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-18C825A1; boundary="=======409B2A7C=======" --=======409B2A7C======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-18C825A1; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Really in West Virginia I have found lots of SURPLUS honey and just need more >surplus time to work my hives. >Russ Dean Then I believe you could have more colonies per yard, and yards closer than 4 - 5 miles apart. I feel that since you state that you make "lots of surplus" that with such small yards (12 colonies) and so far apart, that lack of surplus would be a beekeeping problem, not an available forage problem. I would think you should increase the number of colonies per yard to take advantage of the resource available. Adding 10 more colonies would have no effect on per colony average, and would make your operation more efficient by eliminating driving time between yards. That said, I must admit that really large yards are sometimes a pain. The drive between yards can be a welcome diversion from being in the same location all day...ie the yard I had with 400 colonies in the spring of 1999. These bees came back from Florida at the end of April, and had to be got ready for the orchard by bloom time. While I could inspect many colonies a day...equalizing, making splits, etc...I was sure ready for a change by the end of the week. Mike --=======409B2A7C======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-18C825A1 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003 --=======409B2A7C=======-- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:30:31 -0500 Reply-To: jfischer@supercollider.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Organization: Bedford Advanced Technology Test Lab Effort Subject: Re: How many hives should there be in a yard? Leigh Hauter said: > Our farm and hives are located in the middle of an Oak and > Tulip tree forest in Virginia. That's our big spring crop too here down in Bedford County (SW VA). Its not bad honey. Its not great honey either, but it'll do. > He said that he believed we could go well over 200 hives > without beginning to tap the tulip tree nectar flow. This may well be true for the Tulip Poplar bloom, but what is this larger number of hives going to do for a living for the REST of the season? A schedule like: 1) Tulip Poplar Blooms 2) Harvest 3) 1 - 2 Month Wait - Colony Dwindles? 4) Sourwood Blooms Sounds like a recipe for starvation, unless you have something else reliable for the bees to work in step (3). Now this is not critical for smaller number of hives who will always find something or other, but if you try to "flood" the target crop of blooms with bees, you may find that they overwhelm the OTHER nectar sources. I'd guess this problem would only be worse in a heavily forested area. The whole question of "How many hives per yard"? Is similar to the question "How many lids in a jar"? The number of lids in a jar depends on the size of the jar. :) The only way to tell is to add hives, but have a "plan b", where if yield per hive goes down in terms of colony weight gain per week during a confirmed major bloom, hives get moved to "site b". > (that, of course, would apply to a normal year and not > last year's disastrous flow from the Tulip trees). You mean the disastrous complete LACK of harvested nectar! :) Last spring and summer was so wet, I started laying the keel for a boat and putting want-ads in the paper for breeding pairs of animals and gopherwood lumber. jim :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:33:44 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Re: How many hives should there be in a yard? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was only curious at seeing so many We had a fairly in depth discussion on this last year, if I recall. At that time quite a number of factors were discussed. I took a very quick look in the archives and came up empty, but this is a perennial subject, and there are many factors to consider. Anyone who is really interested might want to try various searches in the archives. I was only mildly interested and just made a cursory search, trying, "hives yard" and "colonies yard", but I am sure there must be better keys. Maybe someone else can suggest a better search? allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:49:42 -0800 Reply-To: mdshepherd@xerces.org Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Matthew Shepherd (Xerces Society)" Subject: Honey Bee Genome Assembled Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Honey Bee Genome Assembled 1/8/04 Full article in Science Daily, at:= http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040108070413.htm The National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI), one of the National= Institutes of Health (NIH), today announced that the first draft version= of the honey bee genome sequence has been deposited into free public= databases. The sequence of the honey bee, Apis mellifera, was assembled by= a team led by Richard Gibbs, Ph.D., director of the Human Genome= Sequencing Center at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston. The honey bee= genome is about one-tenth the size of the human genome, containing about= 300 million DNA base pairs. Researchers have deposited the initial assembly, which is based on six-fold= sequence coverage of the honey bee genome, into the NIH-run, public= database, GenBank (www.ncbi.nih.gov/Genbank). In turn, Genbank will= distribute the sequence data to the European Molecular Biology= Laboratory's Nucleotide Sequence Database, EMBL-Bank= (www.ebi.ac.uk/embl/index.html), and the DNA Data Bank of Japan, DDBJ= (www.ddbj.nig.ac.jp). ______________________________________________________ Matthew Shepherd, Pollinator Conservation Program Director The Xerces Society 4828 SE Hawthorne Boulevard, Portland, OR 97215, USA Tel: 503-232 6639 Fax: 503-233 6794 Email: mdshepherd@xerces.org ______________________________________________________ The Xerces Society is a nonprofit organization dedicated to protecting the diversity of life through the conservation of invertebrates. For information and membership details, see our website at www.xerces.org ______________________________________________________ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:33:02 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Russ Dean Subject: Re: How many hives should there be in a yard? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have enough hive for about 10 - 15 hives per yard for the 8 yards I run in the area. And I do enjoy the drive between them. The Dogs like hanging heads out the window to on these back roads. Its time I love with them. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:21:55 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: BEE-L moderators Subject: Notice: Attachments, Delivery problems, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trevor brought a problem to our attention and it illustrates two growing problems. Please read and understand the following, since it may soon affect you, and your BEE-L subscription. Some background: There are many possible email formats. Some include plain text and HTML, some send HTML as attachments, etc. At any rate, the moderators receive all email -- even HTML -- as plain text source code; in some cases the email is readable, and some times it is scrambled. If the email is readable in the moderators' inboxes and not too badly scrambled, all other things being equal, it is sent to the list. (The moderators cannot easily edit posts and send them on. It is basically a matter of accept or reject). 1.) Although BEE-L guidelines specify plain text only, and no attachments, some members, accidentally, or unknowingly, send email to BEE-L as HTML or attach V-cards to their outgoing email. Such messages show up in the end users' mailboxes as having attachments. Given the horror stories going around, most of us either delete such messages or have the bomb disposal robot handle them. When such a message comes via BEE-L, BEE-L members then have to decide if the message is safe or not. Inasmuch as at least one moderator must have read and examined it in plain text, if it did come from BEE-L, it is probably safe. As I say, all email is decoded by the LISTSERV and given to the moderators as plain text and we have examined it for nasties. It is then sent on, in its original form 2.) Increasingly, to protect their customers, ISPs are filtering and blocking email. Although the main thrust is at machine generated email, like the output of our LISTSERV, it also can block personal email, too. Read on. That ISP blocking, whether requested by you, the customer, or not, has two effects that will increasingly affect BEE-L members. The filter problems are described in greater detail on the BEE-L page (See tag line), but the upshot is that, increasingly, email cannot be considered reliable, and incre asingly, email may disappear on the way to the recipient, often with no notice. In the case in mentioned here, although a moderator had already attempted to notify the member of the attachment problem, his ISP has blocked our message and sent it to a folder where it will likely be ignored and indicated in a robot generated message (that was not blocked by my ISP) that we must go thru some nuisance to get onto his 'approved' list. of course we will not bother. Thus, we cannot contact him to mention why many of our readers will not open his email! --- Trevor's warning --- Thought I should draw your attention to a post that comes as a Bee-L post from (a member) under the heading of "How many hives should there be in a yard". It has an attachment which I have not opened for obvious reasons. As I recall, Bee-L did not send out posts with attachments as they were not approved. This particular post has come out about 3 or 4 times now over the past week or so. Maybe it originates from elsewhere as a virus producing email and, if so, I think it would be worthwhile warning the Bee-L members about this. Regards Trevor Weatherhead --- end note --- Thanks, Trevor, for that. I hope our explanation will set people's minds at ease. Unfortunately, however there are no guarantees, and people must be cautious. Please *be sure* any email you get, that seems to come from BEE-L or comes to your BEE-L email address, actually comes from BEE-L. Occasionally, several times, as we recall, unscrupulous operators have, against BEE-L regulations and in violation of good taste, farmed BEE-L messages for addresses, and then emailed members direct, to advertise one thing or another. This practice is generally considered to be a violation of privacy and common decency, and we apologise, but there is nothing we can do about it. Although it is not easy to harvest BEE-L addresses, please don't assume that your email address cannot be read when you post to BEE-L. Signed, Your faithful, friendly bee-l janitors. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:17:10 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Giuseppe Subject: R: [BEE-L] World Honey Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello In this address actually price of honey in Italy http://www.osservatoriomiele.org/dic03.htm and look this http://www.unaapi.it/ the italy site of association of professional beekeeping Giuseppe caboni :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:44:53 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "myriam.lefebvre@libero.it" Subject: Re: G.M. bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > "I can drink and do enjoy excellent tap water..." > And some fairly high level of residues of imidaclopride (powerfull neuro-toxic from the neo-nicotinoid family) have been recently found in underground water in Canada... > > Bernard SAUBOT Where did you get the info from? Myriam Lefebvre > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:47:26 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Anne Frey Subject: Feb. 28 Seminar in Albany NY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Southern Adirondack Beekeepers Association will host a 2004 seminar. SABA’s seminars are always worthwhile! Date and Time, Location: Saturday February 28, 2004, 9 AM-4:30 PM in Lecture Center One on the SUNY uptown campus in Albany, NY. Speakers and Topics: Dr. Nicholas Calderone, Associate Professor of Entomology and leader of honey bee research at Cornell University since 1996 will speak about "AFB: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow." Dr. Wyatt Mangum, a frequent columnist for American Bee Journal and Bee Culture and well-known bee photographer and mathematician, will present "A Close Up and Intimate Look at Queen Cells" & "Debris Under a Screen Floor, an Indicator of Colony Condition: Experience from 100 Colonies." Dr. Thomas Seeley, Professor of Neurobiology and Behavior at Cornell, will teach us about "Forest Bees and Varroa Mites" & "House-hunting by Honey Bees." Dr. Seeley focuses his research on using honey bee colonies as model systems for studying functional organization at the group level. Cost: $25/person or $40/couple, if received by February 13 (check or money order). After February 13, cost is $35/person or $50/couple. Cost includes A.M. coffee and snacks. Attendees can buy lunches nearby. Hotel: A “block” of discounted rooms is reserved for February 27 at the Marriott Fairfield Inn, just across Washington Ave. Please call by February 13 and mention "beekeeping” to get the discount. $74 + tax = $82.14 for non-smoking room with 2 queen size beds (regularly $99 + tax). Hotel has pool, whirlpool, and complimentary Continental breakfast. Marriott Fairfield 518-435-1800, #1383 Washington Ave., Albany, NY 12206 Contact: SABA, C/o Anne Frey, 4808 Skyline Dr., Delanson, NY 12053-3932 (518) 895-8744 AnneF@capital.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:54:07 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gilles and Lee-Ann Organization: Turtle River Apiaries Subject: Re: World Honey prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > "Honeydew", of course, is sap from evergreen trees! > I have several questions regarding honeydew. Can you describe its taste? Secondly, is it first gathered by aphids which is in turn collected by honeybees? Gilles :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:51:17 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Honeydew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Honeydew", of course, is sap from evergreen trees!" This was my statement, and last night I realized that I said it completely wrong! I should have said 'Honeydew, of course, is produced by aphids who feed on evergreens.' That is right, the aphids do not collect it...they produce it. Some species of ants even transport aphids to likely places, protect the ants from predators, and 'milk' the aphids for the honeydew! In Europe it is said that honeydew is a major fall crop for honeybees and is harvested from pine, spruce, and fir trees. Presumably, connoisseurs can different the taste and the highest prices are paid for honeydew collected from firs. I understand that the bees collect the honeydew from the needles, where it falls after being processed by the aphids. A search of the Bee-L archives, www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L , will return many hits including some reports of honeydew being collected in the US from oaks and maple. Lloyd Lloyd Spear, Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacturers of Ross Rounds Comb Honey Equipment, Sundance Pollen Traps and Custom Printer of Sundance Labels. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:37:29 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Honeydew In-Reply-To: <008c01c3d6d9$2f27f160$fde9d518@newdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My bees often collect honeydew late in the fall along with the aster and goldenrod. It is a thinner honey that ferments easily during the winter and is an excellent producer of dysentery in the bees. My first encounter with it was a spring visit by the State Bee Inspector who pointed it out by shaking some directly from the cells after a long winter. Colony was weak and it was the reason why. I have no idea how to describe its taste, but I like it. It has a full bodied taste, not "light" like a summer honey (more filling, great taste). It stays liquid, which is how I know if the honey is more honeydew than the quickly fermenting other fall honeys. I "over super" so collect it in the fall (along with all the other fall honey) and the bees no longer can enjoy it. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:30:34 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: waldig@NETZERO.COM Subject: Feeding in the middle of a cold winter. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I helfted my hives last night. One appeared atypically light. It was very populous with good stores going into the winter. I assume the bees did not shut down brood rearing until December and used a lot of stores. I don't want to feed syrup for the frear of stimulating brood rearing this early. I only have extracted honey - can I pour it over empty frames in a warm and insert into the hive on a nice day. Any advice will be appreciated. Waldemar Long Island, NY :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:19:40 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Honeydew In-Reply-To: <3FFEF4E9.70609@suscom-maine.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Truesdell wrote: >It stays liquid, which is how I know if the honey is more > honeydew than the quickly fermenting other fall honeys. Quickly granulating! They warned me at the hospital yesterday after general anesthesia not to write or sign anything for 24 hours (true). Should have listened. Bill Truesdell (it was the honeydew, officer) Bath, Maine :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:06:42 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: josh jaros Subject: Re: Feeding in the middle of a cold winter. In-Reply-To: <20040109.103132.512.702730@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know if I would worry that much about stimulating brood production by feeding syrup. They would need some intake of pollen in addition. If the weather is cold, the cluster formation will also keep them in check. I was worried about mine so I fed them in December a few times just to be sure. The hives were insulated and this helped keep the syrup warm. I made the syrup as thick as I possibly could. There was no moisture buildup and the bees could empty a deep frame feeder in less than a day. I never had a problem with stimulating brood production as far as I could tell and they look just dandy. The bees did all of this when the night were getting down to zero and then in the tens and twenties during the day. I don't think I would have done it had it been much colder, or without insulation. Josh --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:21:40 -0900 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tom Elliott Subject: Re: Honeydew In-Reply-To: <008c01c3d6d9$2f27f160$fde9d518@newdell> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Lloyd, Honeydew can be collected from the aphid processed sap of any trees, not only evergreens. Tom Elliott Chugiak, Alaska :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:22:49 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ian Subject: Re: Feeding in the middle of a cold winter. Sometimes I have to emergency feed a colony, closer to spring usually. I stick a frame of honey under the inner cover hole. I dont like to break cluster when it is cooler. The bees will clean the frame side right out. Flip the frame over in a few days and let the continue eating. It is a little bit of work, but it can get some hungrey hives to a nectar flow. Ian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:28:34 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike Subject: Re: Honeydew honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Truesdell wrote: "honey is more honeydew than the quickly fermenting other fall honeys." It's been many years since I have collected significant crops of fall honey generated by goldenrod and/or Astor. But in my recollections, I cannot recall any of the honey fermenting. It has granulated, with big crystals of honey as a result, but I don't think it fermented. I even got into some that I had saved from 1968 last month, and although heavily granulated, it had no fermentation smell or taste. By the way, this was produced about twenty miles north of Indianapolis, Indiana. Mike Located 1/2 way between Montgomery and Mobile :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:25:48 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Another Comb Honey Format MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was looking over the Canadian Honey Council site, and noticed this: http://www.beeosphere.com/ allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:51:22 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Borst Subject: Bees in History Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Greeks believed that bees came from dead oxen and could be raised by killing an ox and leaving it in a sealed room for thirty-two days. This story persisted for hundreds of years; directions for producing bees this way were last published as late as 1842. Until 1609, when an English beekeeper observed a queen laying eggs, queens were believed to be "kings" who ruled over their hives; Virgil wrote that bees collected their young from leaves and sweet plants; Xenophon called the queen the housewife of her hive, its guiding brain. The Dutchman Swammerdam thought that queens were fertilized by an "odoriferous effluvia" produced like an exhalation of perfume from drones. The Roman scholar Varo wrote that diarrhea in bees could be cured by giving them urine to drink and that bees gathered wax from flowers. Piny the Elder wrote that bees could be slain by echoes. It was widely believed that the sound of clashing cymbals caused bees to swarm. News bees: in Appalachian folklore, "news bees" appeared as omens to those wise enough to read them: there were yellow news bees, which meant that good things were in the offing, and black news bees which warned of imminent death. The black news bees would fly in the windows and out again, and fly straight for the nearest cemetery; they would hover making a sound like a human being talking. But what are we to make of Gerard, the English herbalist, writing that he had with his own eyes seen young geese hatched out of the barnacles on driftwood? Or Andrew Crosse achieving the spontaneous generation of insects during a chemical experiment? ;-) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:08:18 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Curtis Crowell Subject: Re: Bees in History As to the statement "It was widely believed that the sound of clashing cymbals caused bees to swarm." I have read and heard just the opposite, that this or similar sounds that mimic lightning will cause an airborne swarm to come to ground. This belief may in fact stem from old English common law that allowed the beekeeper to establish ownership of a swarm that departed from his property to fly over the property of another. By following the swarm on the ground, and making a lot of noise (banging pots,or whatever) the beekeeper could maintain ownership and recover the swarm once it did land. Kind of like calling "I've got it" when you're in the outfield running under a pop fly. /C. Crowell Hightstown, NJ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:34:59 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Russ Dean Subject: Re: Bees in History MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you heard the tale that bees couldn't sting you if you held your breath? You held your breath and the pores on you skin would close and the stinger had no place to go. I thought that was funny. Russ Dean :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:08:15 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Giuseppe Subject: honey bee Research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.rirdc.gov.au/reports/HBE/03-037.pdf look the nosema page http://www.rirdc.gov.au/reports/Index2.htm#Honeybee Thanks a lot for Australian people Giuseppe caboni :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:48:41 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Borst Subject: Bees are no bird-brains Bees are no bird-brains 9 December 2003 14:00 GMT by Henry Nicholls When it comes to judging cognitive ability, neuroscientists are guilty of prejudice against invertebrates, argues an expert in honeybee cognition. Bee brains are capable of much more than is assumed, he claims. "We have this kind of prejudice that insects or invertebrates are essentially stupid," said Martin Giurfa, a neuroethologist at the Center for Research on Animal Cognition in Toulouse, France. Because of this, researchers are failing to ask the right questions of invertebrates, he says. But the cognitive abilities of the honeybee, one of the best studied insects, are showing that insects and possibly other invertebrates can perform some quite advanced mental tasks. The current cognitive champion of the invertebrate world is the honeybee, says Giurfa. With fewer than a million neurons and a volume of just 1 mm3, the honeybee brain has "well developed learning and memory capabilities, whose essential mechanisms do not differ drastically from those of vertebrates," he notes in a special issue of Current Opinion in Neurobiology. For example, a complex odor comprised of several compounds triggers neural correlates of each of the separate elements that make up the smell, says Giurfa. But there is also "a special kind of signature for this and only this mixture that could tell the brain that there is something more than just the elements," he said. "It is clear that something is going on in the mini brain of the honeybee that is more than just a sum of the stimuli." A common explanation for the advanced nature of the honeybee brain is that selection imposed by the need to be social has driven the evolution of the insect's nervous system. But Giurfa says that the level of cognition found in the honeybee need not be restricted to social insects. "I think that it's not that invertebrates are stupid or the honey bee brain is unique, it's that we haven't raised these kinds of questions yet in other kinds of invertebrate models." For instance, he says, although Drosophila have traditionally been considered "stupid," not only is the fruit fly capable of contextual learning, attributing a different meaning to the same stimulus if encountered in a different context, it can also show selective attention, picking which of several stimuli it wants to respond to. This, in particular, is assumed to be a property found only in highly developed vertebrates, he says. Recently, Bruno van Swinderen and Ralph Greenspan, behavioral geneticists at the Neurosciences Institute in San Diego, California, carried out selective attention experiments on Drosophila. "A fly sitting on your tablecloth is not just a bag of reflexes waiting for something to happen," explained van Swinderen. "It's actively looking at you, then the wineglass, then the fork, then you again." This, he says, is fundamental to how a fly learns and to how it builds a salience map, a two-dimensional, topographically organized map that reflects the distinctiveness of objects around it. "As such, that's probably not so different from the way our brains work, except that the complexity of salience maps is probably much smaller," van Swinderen told BioMedNet News. This suggests that even Drosophila have a mind of sorts, he concludes. Greenspan, who worked with van Swinderen on the study, agrees. "The traditional reluctance to attribute such faculties to insects derives, to a large extent, from the failure to ask them the right questions," he said. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:00:11 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: beekeepers speaking Hungarian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to make contact with an American or Canadian beekeeper who may be willing to help me communicate (very briefly) with a contact in Hungary. Must be able to speak and write Hungarian. Interested parties please contact me offline. Lloyd Lloyd Spear, Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacturers of Ross Rounds Comb Honey Equipment, Sundance Pollen Traps and Custom Printer of Sundance Labels. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:08:25 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: FW: Catch The Buzz Article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- From: kim@airoot.com To: undisclosed-recipients Sent: 1/12/2004 8:46 AM Subject: Catch The Buzz Article >From Nature News Service / Macmillan Magazines, the Honey Bee Genome is now available to the public. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Thinking of building a honey bee? A draft version of the honey bee genome has been made available to the public - a move that should benefit bees and humans alike. The honey bee (Apis mellifera) is multi-talented. It produces honey, pollinates crops and is used by researchers to study human genetics, ageing, disease and social behaviour. "Without bees and pollination, the entire ecosystem would crumble," says Richard Gibbs, who led the sequencing effort at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston. Its genome is about one-tenth the size of its human equivalent, containing about 300 million DNA base pairs. Because the genome is relatively small, genes should be easy to identify, says bee researcher Steve Martin from the University of Sheffield, UK. Many of these will be similar to their human counterparts, he says. The bee genome may also help us understand the genetics of ageing and social behaviour, says Martin. Queen bees, for example, can live five times as long as their subordinates. Unpicking their genes may help researchers understand why. Honey monsters The genome's publication is good news for beekeepers and victims of bee stings alike. Across the globe bees are threatened by a pesticide-resistant mite called varroa. The bug, which has spread from Asia, weakens the insects, making them susceptible to fatal infections. "The new information may help researchers generate varroa-resistant bee strains," says Claire Waring, editor of the beekeeping journal Bee Craft. Such insects would be healthier and produce more honey. It may also help us understand aggressive bee behaviour, says Gibbs. Stroppy swarms of Africanized bees can attack and kill people and animals. The genome may reveal the genes linked to bad bee behaviour. "This may help us deal with the problem," he says. Researchers have deposited the draft sequence with GenBank, a public database run by America's National Institutes of Health. It will also be published on European and Japanese databases. The project began in 2003, when the US Department of Agriculture and the National Human Genome Research Institute donated more than US$7 million. This is the first time that the amassed sequence data have been made publicly available. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kim Flottum Editor, Bee Culture Magazine http://www.beeculture.com/beeculture/index.html For an archive Catch the Buzz postings, visit: http://www.beeculture.com/beeculture/buzz/index.html To unsubscribe to this emailing, simply goto: http://www.beeculture.com/beeculture/buzz/unsubscribe.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:26:40 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: waldig@NETZERO.COM Subject: Re: Feeding in the middle of a cold winter. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Thank you, Ian. I don't have extra frames w/ cured honey. When I open the hive, I see if they have sealed frames away from the cluster. How do you stick a frame under the inner cover? I am thinking it will raise the inner cover and open the hive to the elements. Do you place a shallow or medium super around the frame under the inner cover? Thank you. Waldemar Long Island, NY ============================================================== Sometimes I have to emergency feed a colony, closer to spring usually. I stick a frame of honey under the inner cover hole. I dont like to break cluster when it is cooler. The bees will clean the frame side right out. Flip the frame over in a few days and let the continue eating. It is a little bit of work, but it can get some hungrey hives to a nectar flow. Ian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:14:00 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: Feeding in the middle of a cold winter. In-Reply-To: <20040112.082728.12168.394084@webmail12.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1F4E7F39; boundary="=======55B44243=======" --=======55B44243======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1F4E7F39; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I don't have extra frames w/ cured honey. >How do you stick a frame under the inner cover? >Waldemar You could always pour granulated sugar around the inner cover escape hole. Moisture from the colony helps liquify the sugar. I've never done this, but I know some good beekeepers who do this regularly...maybe a little closer to spring. Mike --=======55B44243=======-- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:55:15 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ian Subject: Re: Feeding in the middle of a cold winter. >>Thank you, Ian. I don't have extra frames w/ cured honey. When I open the hive, I see if they have sealed frames away from the cluster. How do you stick a frame under the inner cover? I am thinking it will raise the inner cover and open the hive to the elements. Do you place a shallow or medium super around the frame under the inner cover? Sorry, I meant to say "over" the inner cover, not under. You see I have my hives wrapped from Nov-April. Fiberglass wrapped with tarpapper. Sometimes in March during a nice warm day, ceriousity gets the best of me and I wander through my yards, and open few of the wrapps to see where I'm at. Maybe nine or ten wraps between all of my yards, I'll occasionally run upon a hungrey hive, to which I place a frame of honey on the innercover before I rewrap the hive. If Im really concerned I'll feed the hive latter on. I always seem to have granulated frames of honey laying around after last year extraction. Ian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:05:17 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ian Subject: Re: G.M. bees > 2 most of the G.M. plants are modified to accept any amount of some herbicides, without beeing affected, and the idea to eat those herbicides seems unacceptable Tell me why you think you will be "eating" those herbicides, by just given the idea of eating a GM product... >>>And some fairly high level of residues of imidaclopride (powerfull neuro-toxic from the neo-nicotinoid family) have been recently found in underground water in Canada... You might want to back this statement up with a source... Ian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:11:42 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: David Kesler Subject: lab exercise with propolis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to perform a laboratory exercise demonstrating the antibiotic properties of propolis. Most simply this would be measuring the halo around propolis tablets on a bacterial plate. If you have any suggestions, such as bacterial strain, etc. they will be most welcomed. =20 Thank you, =20 David Kesler kesler@rhodes.edu =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D David H. Kesler, Ph.D. Biology Department Rhodes College 2000 N. Parkway Memphis, TN 38112 901-843-3557 e-mail: kesler@rhodes.edu web site: http://www.rhodes.edu/biology/kesler calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/lampsilis1 =20 "Nobody makes a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little." Edmund Burke =20 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:02:59 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: CSlade777@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Bees in history MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/01/04 05:02:00 GMT Standard Time, LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU writes: > But what are we to make of Gerard, the English herbalist, writing > that he had with his own eyes seen young geese hatched out of the > barnacles on driftwood? > > Yes, I saw that recently on the Mediterranean coast and was amazed. I could > see at once what Gerard thought he saw as the heads/feet or whatever of the > barnacles looked incredibly like miniature goose necks and heads. So don't > disbelieve what the oldsters said - just try to see through their eyes. > > Chris :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:48:03 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Predrag Cvetkovic Subject: Re: lab exercise with propolis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David wrote: I would like to perform a laboratory exercise demonstrating the antibiotic properties of propolis. Most simply this would be measuring the halo around propolis tablets on a bacterial plate. If you have any suggestions, such as bacterial strain, etc. they will be most welcomed. Hi David and all, I can not help too much, but that question is very interesting to me and I would like to learn something more about that as you too. Being editor of one collection of beekeeping articles I was in contact with one young professor from an school of chemical engineering who had the article about bacteridal properties of propolis. he used microorganisms: Escherichia coli 2592 Staphylococcus aureus 6538 Bacillus subtilis 6633 Proteus vulgaris Pseudomonas aeruginosa 9027 Candida albicans 10231 (fungus) Antibiotics: G10 and G2.5 solution of gentamycin 10 IE/ml (2.5 IE/ml) N100 and N50 neomycin 100 IE/ml (50 IE/ml) C5 and C2.5 ciprofloxacin 5 g/ml (2.5 g/ml) propolis extracts in 70% ethyl alcohol (nondissolved and dissolved 1:2, 1:10, 1:25) He used diffusion method with cellulose disks. (?) It is interesting that propolis showed stronger bactericidal properties in comparison with antibiotics. Regarding purchasing microorganisms and equipment I can recommend: www.coleparmer.com cat. numb. for Escherichia coli A-14013-26 or A-14013-28 or A-14016-16 etc. best regards Predrag Cvetkovic, Serbia predragcv@ptt.yu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:31:38 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Keith Benson Subject: Re: lab exercise with propolis In-Reply-To: <960DB501D1F27C419006FA1A829D66409CA673@exchange.rhodes.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Kesler wrote: >I would like to perform a laboratory exercise demonstrating the >antibiotic properties of propolis. Most simply this would be measuring >the halo around propolis tablets on a bacterial plate. If you have any >suggestions, such as bacterial strain, etc. they will be most welcomed. > Depends on how the prep will be used. As a mouthwash? They I would hit up the local hospitals micro lab for common strains found in people with oral lesions. (A dental school would be even better). A a part of a dressing for wounds, perhaps a burn unit etc. It all depends on how you will use it later. Not all bacteria are the same, nor are they treated with the same materials and delivery so it is very very dependant on the execution you have in mind. Simply measuring a halo on a plate around a disk is, well, not going to tell you a whole heck of a lot. Get in touch with a clinical microbiologist - there are far better ways to skin this cat than using disk diffusion methodologies - of course even that depends on your final clinical application. Keith :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:36:14 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Keith Benson Subject: Re: lab exercise with propolis In-Reply-To: <005a01c3d966$a16ef180$346f89d5@m> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Predrag Cvetkovic wrote: >propolis extracts in 70% ethyl alcohol (nondissolved and dissolved 1:2, >1:10, 1:25) > A question. By nondissolved do you mean he used a disk that had only 70% ethanol (ethyl alcohol) on it as a control? IF so how did that disk comepare to the others? Keith :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:26:50 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jeff Holbrook Subject: Re: lab exercise with propolis In-Reply-To: <4003588A.4010209@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While taking Microbiology in college, we made throat cultures of everybodies throat. Actually each student cultured their own throat. Since it was winter there were many with sniffles, coughs and runny noses that are common at that time of year. We then isolated as many different looking colonies as we could from all of the cultures on the initial plates. Once the second series of plates were incubated we had about 20 different looking pure cultures. We then used reagent loaded agar test tubes that had different reagents in about 13 regions. We inoculated the tubes with the pure cultures and then incubated those. After incubation, the cultures would turn the different reagents different colors or not. We could then match the colors to a known key and ID each culture. We had quite a few different types of bacteria. I can't remember them all but Staph a. and Strep of different genui were among them. We then used the disks mentioned in the original question and studied the zone of inhibition around each disk, containing many different compounds. One thing I will always remember is that Vitamin C (natural or synthetic ascorbic acid) both had huge zones of inhibition around them. As large as the zone around penicillin on many but not all of the cultures. Many others had none or at least much less. This was 21 years ago, so echinacia was not even cosidered. :-) Regardless, this protocol may give you some ideas on how to proceed. Sounds like fun. TTFN, Jeff Holbrook Corning, NY :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:06:20 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Predrag Cvetkovic Subject: Re: lab exercise with propolis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith: > A question. By nondissolved do you mean he used a disk that had only 70% ethanol (ethyl alcohol) > on it as a control? IF so how did that disk comepare to the others? You are right. Sorry, I wasn't precise and made a glaring error. Instead "nondissolved" I should say: "nondiluted". So, not about a disk that had only 70% ethanol. "Nondiluted" is propolis extract in 70% ethanol. Author didn't say the percent of propolis, maybe 10% or 20%. In experiment, we use that extract nondiluted or diluted (with distilled water) 1:2, 1:5 and 1:25 (for example). I am also obliged to correct my quotation regarding C5 and C2.5 ciprofloxacin: not 5 g/ml (2.5 g/ml) but 5 and 2.5 microgram/ml A suggestion: not to write in a hurry although that subject is very interesting :) Sorry again. Predrag :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:55:39 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Dr. Pedro Rodriguez" Subject: identifying robbing bees Hello folks. Recently I read a post on Bee-L citing one of Dr. Magnum's papers on robbing bees bringing home mites. Since there was no mention of how his test was perfomed I would like to point out that several years ago I published a test designed by me about identifying bees that rob weak, dieying colonies and bringing home loads of mites since it may be useful to corroborate increasing mite populations in healthy colonies. This test was performed in a yard with 39 test colonies in South East Virginia. The test is simple and easy to perform. It is useful to demonstrate why colonies that have been practically free of mites suddenly develop increasing mite drops especially in the latter part of the summer and early fall. Brief summary of the test: Using a variety of automobile touch-up paint kits and a toothpick, dab pin-point markers on bees' wings in as many colonies as one might wish to observe. Two or three days later, examine colonies in your yard, especially those that may be weak or heavily infested with mites. To one's surprise, those colonies will exhibit a rainbow of colors among the bees of those colonies. Mite count tests on marked colonies will reveal increasing numbers in the mite population and the presence of phoretic mites on foraging bees. Best regards and God bless. Dr. Rodriguez :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:02:40 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Grant Gillard Subject: Re: Another Comb Honey Format In-Reply-To: <014b01c3d7e1$d94fb980$26b85ad1@Pegasus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought this product looked pretty nifty. I'm game to try it. The company replied to my inquiry about a month ago that they were working with Dadant to bring it out this year. Dadant's catalog arrived in my mail yesterday and the product wasn't in it, though I have to remember that these catalogs take months to prepare. Perhaps Dadant will let us know if and when they have it. I'd like to try it. Grant Jackson, MO allen dick wrote: I was looking over the Canadian Honey Council site, and noticed this: http://www.beeosphere.com/ allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:39:30 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Housel Subject: Re: lab exercise with propolis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Propolis in its raw form will give you quite different results. There are as many different kinds of Propolis as there are kinds of pollen. Some are water soluble and are lost in any of the dilute suggested. The light and dark Propolis have different effects within Fungus, Verus, or Bactical. There are light film coverings to some that are hard coating. Some hard coatings created from Propolis effects the growth of cancer tumbers leaving chemicals that can kill cancer placed within the sealing coatings of Propolis. Propolis works at temperatures higher than my propane torch can reach. I have always wanted to find out how low of temperature it will flow but Florida is limited to above freezing. My old truck has been healed many times with the use of Propolis. It is better than anything when used in the oil. It will seal the water in the cooling system. After cleaning the carburetor it will keep out the tarnish rusts that the solvents start up. Battery cables connections stay clean. ect and ect. Pollen, honey, bees wax, and Propolis all have controlling factors in Prevention and Healing without toxicant. The electrical elevation from pollens transferred to tissue and the sealing at different temperature levels of honey, beeswax, and Propolis has kept honey bees 80,000,000 years of healthy life. Michael Housel Orlandobee :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:13:22 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tom Martin Subject: Re: lab exercise with propolis In-Reply-To: <200401130452.i0D4i8q0012702@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >One thing I will always remember is that Vitamin C(natural or synthetic ascorbic >acid) both had huge zones of inhibition >around them. As large as the zone around penicillin on many but not all >of the cultures. Many others had none or at least much less. Vitamin C exhibits the same affect as high sugar concentrations. This is one reason why honey is slow to ferment or support bacterial growth. A sugar cured ham is another example. The trick is to fool the bacteria into thinking (if they do think) that the vitamin C or other substances are of higher concentration then they really are. If a bee was fed 100% vitamin c it would also fail to grow. This idea of utilizing substances other than traditional antibiotics to inhibit disease can not be ignored. Tom Martin Shippensburg, Pa Email without internet subscribe@emypeople.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:58:51 -0800 Reply-To: glenne@engel.org Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Glenn Engel at Home Subject: MyBeeHives.com updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit With the first month of the website up and running there are now 124 hives being tracked by 52 users. Last month saw 25000 hits from 2800 different visits to the site. Thanks to feedback from folks on the list I have updated www.mybeehives.com with changes to hopefully allow folks to make better use of the site. I have added queen tracking pages to allow users to keep track of their queens. As a result, the hive summary page and the history log now show the queen assigned to a hive. Also added are a number of additional quick-notes check boxes to better allow more detailed reporting of your apiary trips. Please give the site a try and let me know what you think. Thanks, Glenn :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:18:29 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Kilty Subject: Re: Feeding in the middle of a cold winter. In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040112121029.00b4f590@pop.together.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <5.2.0.9.0.20040112121029.00b4f590@pop.together.net>, Michael Palmer writes >You could always pour granulated sugar around the inner cover escape hole. >Moisture from the colony helps liquify the sugar. Cut a cross in the bag, fold open, add a quarter cup of water, wait till it is absorbed, then turn it over and place over the hole above the cluster. Bees will climb up and have some insulation. -- James Kilty :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:03:17 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Zachary Huang Subject: honey bee plant database Dear all, I have put a demo page on http://plants.bees.net/gallery/ (spent the last 12 hrs to get it working). Let me know if ths would be useful for the b-keepers and comments welcome! Sincerely, Zachary Huang http://cyberbee.msu.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::