From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 08:45:47 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93.1 required=2.4 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64EA48FCF for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SDdDJr012145 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:18 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0402E" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 20575 Lines: 498 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:42:16 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Subject: Re: Need Color Bee Pictures In-Reply-To: <200402280304.i1S2aROT006766@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT From: "h.morton@worldnet.att.net" color pictures of an apairy > and other pictures at least a queen, drone and workers. Can anyone > help me? Anyone who is doing an educational project is free to use any photos from the Pollination Home Page website. (On the site note I put a limit of 3, but that is to keep school kids from stopping right there and not doing further research). As long as they are not used for making a profit, you (or anyone) can use them for educational use. I only request that you notify me when you do, and give credit. Dave Green The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:55:02 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Silver Lace Vine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Coleene & All, Coleene asks: Does anyone have any experience with the Sliver Lace Vine as a bee plant. It is a species of Polygonum, the same genus as Japanese Knotweed. Excellent honey plant as is most of the polygonum. Blooms spring until fall. Bob :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:50:33 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Hack Subject: Re: Silver Lace Vine In-Reply-To: <000d01c3fe48$c0c14d60$2d78ead8@cedavidson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mine did not attract any bees from 20 colonies within 50 feet ...bob > -----Original Message----- > From: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu [mailto:BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu]On > Behalf Of beekeeper > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:18 PM > To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu > Subject: [BEE-L] Silver Lace Vine > > > Hi All, > Does anyone have any experience with the Sliver Lace Vine as a bee plant. > It is a species of Polygonum, the same genus as Japanese Knotweed. The > plant flowers, as knotweed, mid-summer to frost. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:37:41 -0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Phil Moore Subject: Re: Silver Lace Vine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this is the same plant as Japanese Knotweed in UK (as it sounds like) it should not be grown at any costs. It is a serious invasive weed which has taken over large areas in the UK and seems almost impossible to kill even with herbicides. A particular problem in areas were the ground is not cultivated or mown and I have seen it push up through concrete foundations when an old industrial area was rebuilt. I would suggest it is best not grown, just imagine a 20' weed that herbicides will not kill. Regards Phil Moore > Hi All, > Does anyone have any experience with the Sliver Lace Vine as a bee plant. > It is a species of Polygonum, the same genus as Japanese Knotweed. The > plant flowers, as knotweed, mid-summer to frost. It is a vine and can reach > 20 feet in one season, or so the catalogs claim. If it is as attractive as > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:41:24 -0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: # of drones in hive/further Comments: cc: jfischer@supercollider.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jim & all Jim said (refering to the ratio of worker's and drone's parents) > And how does even this calculation leave one with Phi? > x / y ~ 1.618...? Providentially my February copy of AN BEACHAIRE (the Irish Beekeeper) popped through my letterbox. Pages 38 and 39 have a dissertation on the subject... Titled BEES AND MATHEMATICS DENIS J MORGAN C.F.L. NAT CERT SC. (APIC) CO DUBLIN B.K.A, Fibonacci has given his name to the sequence of numbers 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34... 144, 233... He invented the sequence when investigating a problem about the growth of a population of rabbits. each number is the sum of the two previous numbers. It is a recursive sequence where the first two values are 1 and each successive term is obtained by adding together the two previous terms. Thus, the sequence begins 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, .. that is 1+1=2, then 1+2-3, then 2+3=5 etc. Number of Drones Workers Parents 1 2 Grandparents 2 3 Great grandparents 3 5 Great-great grandparents 5 8 Great-great-great grandparents 8 13 (Appologies if the tabs do not line up well) The above fragments are from the text and I will be seeking permission to turn the whole article into a web page. AN BEACHAIRE (pronounced ann backerie) subscription details are on... http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/magazine.html Best Regards & 73s, Dave Cushman... G8MZY Beekeeping & Bee Breeding Website Email: cyberbeek@tiscali.co.uk or dave@dave-cushman.net http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman & http://www.dave-cushman.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 06:52:48 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: beekeeper Organization: none Subject: Re: Silver Lace Vine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excellent honey plant as is most of the polygonum. Blooms spring until fall. Bob Thanks all. Looks like a 50:50 split so far, but like a lot of plants, attractiveness probably depends on location and whatever else is blooming. In any case, I am going to order several and see if I can get them to grow. Also found several stands of knotweed in my area and intened to transplant some. It can't be any worse than the brambles live with-no thorns and longer blooming time. Bob, can you tell me if the honey is as dark as knotweed honey? Coleene :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:51:40 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Silver Lace Vine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, can you tell me if the honey is as dark as knotweed honey? I do not know of the taste or color because only a minor source and mixed with other honey. As with most sources of nectar the bees only visit at certain times of the day and then disappear. Also bees may work a certain source in Missouri and are not interested in the same source in another part of the U.S. Soil conditions, humidity and temperature are also factors. Report from the book "American Honey Plants " by Frank Pellet: "Bevan Hugh of White Rock, British, Colombia ,reports that with him Silver Lace Vine blooms from spring until frost and that the bees work the flowers so eagerly that at times it sounds like a swarm is in the air." In certain years the bees work our Black Locust trees in a similar manner and the flow is never long ( many years only 3-4 days if a flow at all) but the honey brings top awards at our state fair in the light extracted category. I have actually had the owner of a farm with a hedgerow of Black Locust trees call and say my bees were swarming into the Black Locust trees. When I arrived there was no swarm and only bees gathering nectar. Sincerely, Bob Harrison :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:45:16 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Seiler Apiaries Subject: HFCS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Palmer wrote "Have you got a link to any studies that show HFCS is harmful to bees, and can cause sickness or death? I would be interested in reading that, as I feed tons of HFCS each fall to colonies that don't have quite enough to make it 'till spring. I believe there are two production methods for this sugar...acid, and enzyme. I've heard the acid produced HFCS is deadly, while the enzyme produced is ok. The enzymes produced by a bacteria convert corn starch into sugar...Fructose (55%) and Dextrose (45%). I have always used the enzyme produced HFCS." Different Processing methods are used to produce HFCS. And yes, some are deadly. Good overview is available at http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsaf/elibrary/archive/hort/bee/carbo.htm Studies show that sucrose syrup produces highest survival rates of bees on supplemental feed. http://www.beesource.com/pov/usda/apidologie1978.htm I'm sure there are lots more studies out there. Best Regards Frank Seiler www.seilerbees.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:27:12 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ian Subject: HFCS winter feed >>The main problem is with winter feed in colder climates. You will get losses because of the feed. (There are some issues with 55% vrs 42% as winter feed - also in the archives.) Well Bill, I dont know if I believe it to be much of a problem. I have never heard of any studdies that suggest winter losses are higher due to feeding HFCS to increase winter stores. I winter all my hives on corn syrup and have been wintering very well, here in southern Manitoba Canada (20 miles north of the boarder). Not as cold as areas further north of here but last well into five or six months. Actually I know of two commercial beekeepers who believe that their bees winter better on HFCS, and ensure that they have their hives go into winter mainly with syrup as their hives stores. They collect more honey this way as a plus. I am not that extreem, I only use HFCS to top my hives up. All outdoor wintering situations. Ian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:40:16 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "John A. Howe" Subject: Fw: [BEE-L] Need Color Bee Pictures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John A. Howe" To: "Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology" Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Need Color Bee Pictures > Dadant's has just what you're looking for: large "study posters" with color > close-ups of all kinds of bee activities with loads of information and > questions on the back. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:15:51 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jack Grimshaw Subject: RE.Silver Lace Vine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colleen, I'm not sure of your Silver Lace Vine,but many Polygonum species are quite invasive,esp.Japanese Knotweed.See if the botanical name is on this list.http://www.nps.gov/plants/alien/list/p.htm Jack :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:41:08 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: GImasterBK@AOL.COM Subject: Re: How to draw Foundation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Herve` First, one MUST understand that the FAVORITE food of the honey bee is NOT honey, but NECTAR. Honey is just their winter survival food when there is no nectar available. Honey, to a bee, is like "hardtack" to a sailor, or beef "jerky" to a hunter. Bees do NOT want their queen to lay eggs until they sense that spring and the nectar of flowers is approaching. The first appearance of POLLEN alerts them to the fact that blooms are getting ready to bloom. This first nectar is going to be very thin in sucrose (sugar), and be very diluted with the water rising from the roots of the plant; but it is this SWEET taste that gets the worker bees very excited who in turn begin to heavily feed their queen so she will lay eggs abundantly. This is why a ratio of 1 pound of sugar to 2 pounds of water, 1:2, is the ideal feed to stimulate queen laying. After the queen is laying, stores are being used up like mad, and bees now need more energy, so the best food then is !:1 sugar syrup. They can really use this in their brood feeding without evaporating any water as they have to do with early nectar. Lastly, 2:1 sugar syrup is a substitute for honey, the bee's winter survival food, and NOT their choice of food in the summer. I hope I have explained the differences between 1:2 sugar syrup, 1:1 syrup, and 2:1 syrup. George Imirie Certified EAS Master Beekeeper :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:18:47 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: HarrisonRW@AOL.COM Subject: Spring is on the way MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Connecticut Shoreline Report Here along the coast of Long Island Sound in southwestern Connecticut winter is finally calling it quits (we hope). Temps around 50 degrees (10C) and bee's flying for a short period yesterday and today (about an hour). Pussy willows are just starting to burst their buds. Looking forward to this coming bee year and hoping that it will be better than last year which was pitiful. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 02:34:50 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Herv=E9=20Log=E9?= Subject: Re: How to draw Foundation In-Reply-To: <54.23dc2ca0.2d73d294@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- GImasterBK@AOL.COM a écrit : > Herve` > I hope I have explained the differences between 1:2 > sugar syrup, 1:1 syrup, > and > 2:1 syrup. Yes, you did. I am gratefull to you for this explanation. I just like to understand links and logic between bees biology/behaviour and recommandations. Hervé Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger !Téléchargez Yahoo! Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::