From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 08:53:02 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-86.8 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2673E49082 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SDbKm3012089 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:18 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0404A" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 69932 Lines: 1607 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:13:27 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike Subject: Re: Number of bees two fingers of a jar In-Reply-To: <200404010500.i31500fR008286@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack wrote: Any one know the number of bees in 1/2 cup? 347? If I win, do I get a prize? What? Couldn't help it. Am a little, lot?, short of sleep and couldn't resist trying to guess the winning number so as to get the prize. MIKE :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:41:06 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: Canadian Honey In-Reply-To: <405CD213.A2FE2D15@mts.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gilles wrote: >Much less hassel! One broker told me that foreign honey will be tested >for any possible trace of contaminants while at the same time, not test their own honey so as not to find >any probable contaminants it may hold. > Having kept bees in France for over 15 years and sold honey in both UK and France - some retail but mostly wholsale. I state from experience that honey produced underwent various tests to ensure that it was clear and clean as EU law demands. Wholesalers and packers are very picky about what, where and when - demand samples before delivery, and send back analysis results to the honey producer. It would be difficult to sell a "White honey" in France - it needs to be designated to its floral source, be it be Rape, Clover, mix of whatever - the final sale price depends on what the pollen spectrum indicates (amongst other quality defining factors). Now awaiting my first season here in Canada - well, it will be interesting to see how selling honey goes! Regards, Peter :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:22:32 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: Number of bees on a frame MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all > Could one generalize about which of those images would > indicate that a hive might be ready to swarm? Not really, I do not think the images convey any more info than just the numbers of bees. However, frames in a colony about to swarm may well look like the last one on the page. http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/beesest.html Best Regards & 73s, Dave Cushman... G8MZY Beekeeping & Bee Breeding Website Email: cyberbeek@tiscali.co.uk or dave@dave-cushman.net http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman & http://www.dave-cushman.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:40:40 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Christine Gray Subject: Re: Number of bees on a frame MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Michael Fry" > Dave Cushman has a nice visual representation of "number of bees on a frame". > > Could one generalize about which of those images would > indicate that a hive might be ready to swarm? Mark Winston deals very fully in The Biology of the Honeybee with the condition of a hive when queen rearing starts as the prelude to swarming. On Brood Nest Congestion he says 'many of the combs are covered by layers of workers 2 to 3 deep, although peripheral combs do not have as high a worker density.' As the space between combs is only enough for 2 to 3 layers of bees, I assume he is referring to the density in the seams between combs, not the amount of bees you find on each comb when removed from the hive. Whether you want to see swarming as caused by congestion - or congestion as caused by swarm preparations (young bees hang as an inactive cluster waiting for the off, rather than move on thru the usual succession of tasks) - depends on your outlook. Science does not yet seem to know. Winston: queen rearing and swarming are extraordinarily complex functions involving well-timed and co-ordinated activities by thousands of individuasls. It is likely there are multifactorial cues for the initiation of queen rearing.....' Robin Dartington :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:06:57 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Herv=E9=20Log=E9?= Subject: Re: Canadian Honey In-Reply-To: <406BB982.4040305@mts.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Much less hassel! One broker told me that foreign > honey will be tested > >for any possible trace of contaminants while at the > same time, not test their own honey so as not to > find > >any probable contaminants it may hold. > > Have you the source of European regulation about honey testing and requirments, something like the Codex maybe. With respect, that sounds to me like a "one told be that one heared that...". > Having kept bees in France for over 15 years and > sold honey in both UK > and France - some retail but mostly wholsale. I > state from experience > that honey produced underwent various tests to > ensure that it was clear > and clean as EU law demands. Wholesalers and packers > are very picky > about what, where and when - demand samples before > delivery, and send > back analysis results to the honey producer. I am surprised European on the list do not react more than that to what is written about this thread. > It would be difficult to sell a "White honey" in > France - it needs to be > designated to its floral source, be it be Rape, > Clover, mix of whatever > - the final sale price depends on what the pollen > spectrum indicates > (amongst other quality defining factors). I am always surpised to see all honey I see in Canada is Clover or Golden rod or blueberries or Apple or Raspberries whatever its mix origin (from Argentine to China). I guess all other countries plant North American plants to fit our market, of course. Now, what lab in Canada perform pollen analisys in honey ? Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger !Téléchargez Yahoo! Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:57:27 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Herv=E9=20Log=E9?= Subject: GMO and bees In-Reply-To: <20040401130657.95390.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit from http://www.biotech-info.net/JR_testimony.html " Professor Mark Winston, a Canadian bee research specialist, has attempted to review scientific studies pertaining to bees and GMO's. As you might expect, most GM research has been conducted by the biotechnology companies who create GMO's. What I did not expect is that this research is considered proprietary information, and not subject to public scrutiny. Prof. Winston contacted the Canadian Food Inspection Agency and encountered a brick wall. Their response was that, yes, honeybee larvae or adults had been examined in tests with GM pollen. They would not reveal what GM crops were tested, who did the testing, what the experimental protocol was, or the results of the tests. Information which is absolutely essential for the independent validation of Biotech company claims regarding the safety of GMO's is unavailable to the GMO consuming public. It is my understanding that FDA policy is similar to the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. This veil of secrecy does not serve the public interest and should be lifted as a precondition for EPA approval of GMO's. Proprietary research on presently approved GMO's should also be publicly accessible. There are a few publicly reported studies regarding the effect of GM pollen on honeybees. Minh-Ha Pham Deleque has done some work on this area for the French government research institute, INRA. She has studied the effects of GM pollen from varieties of canola and soybeans on honeybees in a laboratory setting. Her findings indicate that none of the tested pollens kill adult bees outright, but that they may shorten their lifespan and cause some behavioral changes, particularly in a loss of their ability to learn and to smell. This may cause foraging bees to "forget" where flowers or even their own hive is located. Obviously, some issues have been raised by this work which need to be further explored. [...] During the 1990's, millions of acres of Round-up Ready crops were planted in the U.S. and Argentina. According to my information, the antibiotic resistant gene used in the creation of Round-up Ready crops was resistant to tetracycline. After 40 years of effective usage against an infective bacterium found in the guts of honeybees, suddenly 2 geographically isolated countries develop tetracycline resistance simultaneously. A common thread between the U.S. and Argentina is the widespread and recent cultivation of GM crops containing tetracycline resistant genes. [...] I think there are enough valid uncertainties about GMO's to justify NYS to require labeling of GM foods. The world is now participating in a vast GMO experiment. New Yorkers should have the choice of opting out of this experiment if they so desire. GM food labeling would partially provide this option. " Hervé Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger !Téléchargez Yahoo! Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:39:53 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: # bees per pound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good morning: I know that I have addressed this issue in the past, should be in the archives. We looked at 10s of thousands of bees in Montana back in the 70s and have presented here before. Our data approximates that of C. Mitchell, UC Davis, 1970, ABJ 110. She reported: 4,451 newly emerged bees per pound (9,804 per kg) 5,159 mature workers per pound (11,360 per kg) 3,492 heavy smoked workers per pound (7,690 kg) 2,000 drones per pound (4,400) per kg Literature extremes run from 3,000 workers per pound (6,662 per kg) to 5,600 per pound (12,500 per kg). Average from literature is about 90 mg per bee. That's close to our weights which ranged from 90 mg to 0.1 g per adult worker bee. If asked, my usual response is that a bee weighs about 1/10 of a gm and that there are about 4500 bees per pound. Also, a bee is about 2/3 water by weight. Jerry P.S. Roger Morse did the leg work rounding up these numbers for one of his books some years ago. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:23:14 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: Number of bees two fingers of a jar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all > Jack wrote: Any one know the number of bees in 1/2 cup? In UK I used to use plastic cups from vending machines for measuring bees by volume for populating mini nucs. The bees were first selected for being 'young' using a Marburg swarm box, http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/marburg.html then they were sprayed with water to which a small amount of sugar had been added. See... http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/marburguse.html Now calibration is difficult... The soggy bees compact fairly well into the cup and I have never counted them for myself. The information that such a cup contained 1,000 bees came from Beowulf Cooper (I reckon he probably did do some counting). Dry bees would not have so many in the same volume, I would guess that a similar cupful of dry bees would be around the 850 mark. But there is yet more complication... As the size of the drinks cup in relation to the measuring unit known in American parlance as 'a cup' is anybody's guess. Or does Jim (or perhaps Laura) know this relationship? Best Regards & 73s, Dave Cushman... G8MZY Beekeeping & Bee Breeding Website Email: cyberbeek@tiscali.co.uk or dave@dave-cushman.net http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman & http://www.dave-cushman.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:22:21 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Section 18 emergency exemption for Api-Life VAR granted in New Yo rk State MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 'Cornell has been informed by US-EPA that its request for a specific emergency exemption approval for the use of thymol to control varroa mites in bee hives in New York State has been approved. This exemption applies ONLY to the thymol-based product Api-Life VAR. The Section 18 emergency exemption for CheckMite+ has been renewed. A response to Cornell's request for a Section 18 emergency exemption for the use of the formic acid product, Mite-Away II, has not yet been received. This information does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation by Cornell. Users must follow the label instructions that accompany each product.' Aaron Morris - hoping for a good season! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:33:19 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gavin Ramsay Subject: Re: GMO and bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Herve and All I'm afraid that we've been here before with this one. Yes, risk assessments should not hide under the cloak of commercial sensitivity, and yes, people should be able to know what they are eating and be free to make their own choices .. but .. the two points on the risks of GM to bees are simply myths. One (the French Connection) is just a misunderstanding, widely propagated in the beekeeping press. The other was a concerned beekeeper making some speculation, and all the signs are that the speculation was entirely unfounded. If you want the details go here: http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0011A&L=bee-l&P=R1794 See the full exchanges in the archives by searching for 'Rowland' and looking for the messages in November 2000 and again in January 2001. cheers Gavin. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:49:11 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Number of bees two fingers of a jar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Dave Cushman" wrote: > In UK I used to use plastic cups from vending machines for measuring bees by > volume for populating mini nucs. > But there is yet more complication... As the size of the drinks cup in > relation to the measuring unit known in American parlance as 'a cup' is > anybody's guess. Or does Jim (or perhaps Laura) know this relationship? I am not convinced that all vending machines use the same size cup! Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:50:26 -0500 Reply-To: jfischer@supercollider.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Organization: Bedford Advanced Technology Test Lab Effort Subject: Re: Number of bees two fingers of a jar > As the size of the drinks cup in relation to the measuring unit known > in American parlance as 'a cup' is anybody's guess. Or does Jim (or > perhaps Laura) know this relationship? Laura (goddess of the kitchen and master of the steam-injected, brick-lined, ion-drive oven) knows all. She rattled off that a "cup" equals: 8 fluid ounces 0.5 pints 0.25 quarts 0.0625 US gallons (Not those weird "imperial" gallons!) 0.236875 liters 64 drams 7680 drops from an eyedropper Any more than the above, and "my cup runneth over". (Psalms 23:5) There are actual "measuring cups", graduated measures for the kitchen, but experienced bakers measure everything by weight rather than by volume. Our favorite device for measuring honey is the "Wonder Cup" http://www.jensco.com/wondercup.html a cylinder/piston device that eliminates waste by pushing all the honey out of the graduated cylinder. Those living in the 21st Century will be happy to know that there is also a "METRIC Wonder Cup". They use the highly self-contradictory name "Metric Wonder Cup" because the name "Metric 0.25 Liter Graduated Cyinder" would take so long to say that their telephone sales staff would not be able to take as many orders in a day. I tried to count the number of bees in a cup this afternoon, but they kept flying out before I could fill the cup, let alone count them. Frustrating. Therefore, I must report that the maximum capacity of a cup in actual feild trials appears to be exactly 4 bees, and that the actual capacity of the "cup" does not appear to matter in the least. jim :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:18:21 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Scott Jeffreys Subject: Re: Number of bees two fingers of a jar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regards to all, Humor, semantics and oceans between beekeepers aside, I personally know several dozens of beekeepers whose families and well being depend on knowing when 2 fingers of bees in a mason jar contain a certain # of bees in proportion to the # of mites that fall out when covered with powdered sugar. I wish we could get them to take this site more seriously. The bee industry is in need of innovations to dovetail with recent shortfalls of honeybees for pollination and strong world demand for pure honey. I challenge our group to seriously address the problem at hand. Scott Jeffreys :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:30:20 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: Canadian Honey In-Reply-To: <20040401130657.95390.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Herve, During the last Codex. dealing with honey, I, as a small part of the Professional Honey Producers of France - SPMF, spent many hours discussing the pros. and cons. of what should be included, changed, insisted upon, left out, compromised etc. E.U. regulations - the Honey Directive was being updated at approx. the same time. Comparing the two shows a laxity in Codex. I do not wish to go into details here, and make no comparison between Codex and other National regulations - much may be sourced via. www.apiservices.com. E.U. regulations may be super imposed by EU member nations legislation, as long as it does not result in a weaker position than that required by the E.U.. During the procedural wrangling it was very apparent that several European honey producer countries had different objectives compared to the major importing countries and packers; (see previous mails in archives). I remember much debate relating to Ultra filtration of honey, geographical notation requirements and labelling, each causing differences in opinion between producers and final sellers into the retail market. The resulting legislation was not perfect - but was considered better that what was in place before. The power in the hands of the large importers/ packers was very apparent when compared to the limited organisation of the producers. Just before leaving France, I received a letter from one of the major packers in France, indicating a major tightening in acceptable levels of antibiotic residues in honey as produced by its suppliers. The message effectively was a notification that treatment undertaken in spring using OT. would most probably result in honey containing too high levels of residue. The honey found in such a state would be rejected. The two articles indicated below might make interesting reading: http://www.apimondia.org/apiacta/articles/2003/morlot.pdf http://www.apicoltura.org/file_pdf/unifloral_honeys.pdf The Charm 1 procedure has limitations in detecting residues in certain situations and with particular types of honey - Sweet Chestnut for example. This problem may be investigated by looking up more details on the procedure. I suggested to the author of the first article noted above, thatsuch limitations might have influenced resulted shown for the Castanea. sp. honeys tested, but received no response to my points. The procedure is useful as it stands to point fingers at beekeepers - maybe unfairly! Hope readers gain a little info. from this mail - and any comments would be welcome, esp. from the E.U. Regards, Peter :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:11:11 +1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: T & M Weatherhead Subject: book price MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been asked what a copy of the 1891 ABC that is leather bound with = gold leathering is worth. The person said he thought it was ABC & XYZ. = I thought originally it was ABC and only became ABC & XYZ at a later = date. Is this correct? Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:11:24 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: CSlade777@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Canadian Honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 02/04/2004 06:03:21 GMT Standard Time, LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU writes: > Wholesalers and packers>are very picky>about what, where and when - demand > samples before >delivery, and send>back analysis results to the honey > producer. > > I am surprised European on the list do not react more than that to what is > written about this thread. > > >It would be difficult to sell a "White honey" in>France - it needs to be> > designated to its floral source, be it be Rape,>Clover, mix of whatever > >- the final sale price depends on what the pollen>spectrum indicates> > (amongst other quality defining factors). Coming from the UK and therefore nominally European I suppose I'd better speak up here. Our local Trading Standards Officers take an interest in honey and one of them specialises in it. He is thinking of taking up beekeeping himself. As a result one local commercial honey producer had to take a black pen to eliminate the 'er' from his heather honey labels as it was not predominately Ling heather (Calluna vulgaris) but bell heather (Ericas). I saw the TS Officer to get him to check out my cut comb honey and labeling before it hit the shelves (always go to the auditor before he comes to you) and asked him what had happened to a friend's honey that was sampled and no result had been heard. As I knew about it and he would therefore be betraying no confidences he showed me the report which was on its way out. It had been sent to an analytical chemist for testing and had passed with no problems at all. The HMF didn't even reach the start of the scale. One of the things that the TS people are keen on is ensuring that things are as they are claimed. Thus if somebody was selling 'organic potatoes' at the roadside they would buy some and test for chemical residues that shouldn't be there if really organic but would be permissible in ordinary ones. It is sad that chemically produced is now regarded as ordinary whereas naturally produced is not. Chris :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:06:32 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Rosalind James Subject: Number of bees in half cup Ummm...why doesn't someone just collect some bees, stick them in the freezer, and then count how many dead bees fit in a cup? Should give a rough estimate of live bee count. Why do you want to know it so badly anyway? A real live bee count would vary depending on how active the bees, or if they decide to stay in the cup. For counting varroa mites, I shake what I estimate to be a U.S. 1/3 - 1/2 cup into a plastic bag (just a visual estimate, we don't measure the bees, and they are confinded in the zip-lock bag), then freeze this and count varroa and bees. Last summer, this gave us between 138 and 382 bees. Didn't someone guess near that to win the prize? I think he wins the prize! R. R. James :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:35:57 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chuck Norton Subject: Re: book price MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Trevor Weatherhead asked: "I thought originally it was ABC and only became ABC & XYZ at a later date. Is this correct?" >From the Preface to my 30th Edition of "ABC and XYZ of BEE CULTURE": "As the industry developed, it required a larger book, so in 1910 the ‘ABC of Bee Culture’ became the ‘ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture’." The former was first published in 1877, and it is noted in my 30th Edition, "that there is very little left of A. I. Roots's old writings in the later editions, especially in those bearing the title of 'ABC and XYZ of BEE CULTURE'. His style of writing , however, will be found under the general heads of Stings, Brood, Queens, and any other subject that has to do with bee life or bee behavior..." Regards, Chuck Norton Norton's Nut & Honey Farm :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:19:32 -0500 Reply-To: jfischer@supercollider.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Organization: Bedford Advanced Technology Test Lab Effort Subject: Re: Number of bees two fingers of a jar > I wish we could get them to take this site more seriously. > The bee industry is in need of innovations to dovetail with > recent shortfalls of honeybees for pollination and strong > world demand for pure honey. I challenge our group to > seriously address the problem at hand. Seriously, the accepted gold-standard test is the "24-hour drop test" on an entire hive, traditionally performed using a strip of some sort (Apistan or CheckMite in the USA). Another "gold standard" is the "natural fall" over some consistent period of time (a day, 3 days, whatever). The ether and sugar "rolls" are good "cheap and dirty" screening tools, but cannot be expected to ever be as accurate as a test of an entire hive. False negatives can result from any test of only a small faction of the hive population. A sample collected in a jar by a beekeeper is a non-random sample by definition, given that the bees are collected in a non-random manner. I can't imagine anyone betting the farm on a hit-and-miss methodology like a "roll". And, of course, one must test early and often to have a trendline to be able to make a decision on treatment. Prudent decisions in regard to variable hive populations across large numbers of hives are best made only in response to an upward trend on a graph tracking each "sentinel" hive's varroa drop. I'll say it again: The price of honey is eternal vigilance. Seriously. jim :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:45:24 +1200 Reply-To: peter@airborne.co.nz Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Bray Organization: Airborne Honey Ltd. Subject: Re: book price Comments: To: T & M Weatherhead In-Reply-To: <002e01c41892$724f2da0$ee382fca@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I have been asked what a copy of the 1891 ABC that is leather bound with > gold leathering is worth. The person said he thought it was ABC & XYZ. I > thought originally it was ABC and only became ABC & XYZ at a later date. > Is this correct? >From my collection...... 1891 edition is "ABC of Bee Culture" by A.I. Root - 52d thousand 1903 edition is "ABC of Bee Culture" by A.I. Root, Revised by E.R. Root - 85th Thousand 1908 edition is "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture" by A.I. and E.R. Root - 116th Thousand 1910 edition is "ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture" by A.I. and E.R. Root 131st Thousand They sure sold alot for back then! In the preface to the 1908 edition, it tells how "two thirds of the present volume" were written by AI Root's son, who travelled extensively through the USA (over 7,000 miles in one year) collecting new and up to date information. So much so that "far from being an "A B C," the book might also be called the X Y Z of Beeculture" Regards, Peter Bray _________________________________________________________ Airborne Honey Ltd., Pennington St, PO Box 28, Leeston, New Zealand Fax 64-3-324-3236, Phone 64-3-324-3569 http://www.airborne.co.nz peter@airborne.co.nz :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:33:10 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Subject: Propolis part of new cold preventative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_16619.html Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:15:44 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Vaughan Subject: Coastal California update I've been contacted by several people in the last few days off list about the unique situation we have here in the eucalyptus areas of coastal California, so I thought I'd write a summation now at the end of the season. Unfortunately I'm not joking, unless we get rain that's not on the forcast, that's it for us unless the bees are by irrigated plants. In December I combined hives and requeened to get big populations, restricted the hives to single brood chambers to get as much honey as possible, and during Jan-March got a shallow super per hive from the good locations every 2 weeks of flying weather. Then the bees started building swarm cells as I mentioned here a few weeks ago. Then I divided the hives, or made nucs from the frames with the swarm cells and added a second brood chamber. Yesterday I went through about 40 hives, and there wasn't any sign of queen cell building, so I think the answer to the question I asked the list is that in these local circumstances, adding brood space will stop the swarming urge. A friend who has 4 hives next to me, but didn't requeen, had every one of his hives swarm within a few days of each other. So now I'm sitting with hives (in those locations without irrigated farmland or landscaping) with large populations and not much to forage, which is the next problem I'll have to address. I suppose pollinating would be the logical solution if I can find anyone who needs them around here. But at least I got a good harvest, and I think the key was new queens at the end of the year, big populations in early January and a restricted brood chamber until sometime in March. Regards, and thanks for all the tips. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:01:04 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Kilty Subject: Re: Canadian Honey In-Reply-To: <20040401130657.95390.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 In message <20040401130657.95390.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com>, Hervé Logé writes >I am surprised European on the list do not react more >than that to what is written about this thread. Some posts are ignored. One test that is carried out in the UK is on honey off the retail shelf. You will never know your own honey was tested until you get that "knock on the door". One interesting example (which I have quoted before) was the discovery of sucrose at too high a %. It was further analysed and found not to be from cane or beet sugar. It was presumed to have come from borage, so the producer was not prosecuted. In addition whenever the Bee Inspector came to look at hives last year (s)he took away sample jars of honey for testing. My honey proved negative to the Chinese problem chemicals - of course. -- James Kilty :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:26:43 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Coastal California update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim said: So now I'm sitting with hives (in those locations without irrigated farmland or landscaping) with large populations and not much to forage, which is the next problem I'll have to address. Welcome to the world of pollination and larger scale beekeeping! When beekeeping on permanent locations year after year one learns the beekeeping methods which will help prevent swarming such as how much feed to give, when to open the brood nest and if to split to prevent swarming etc. When hives come back from pollination they can be ready to "hit the trees" or starving. Migratory pollination beekeeping is by far harder than keeping bees on permanet locations for the above stated reasons. When beekeepers get more hives than they or their employees can manage I have seen hives which came out of pollination with so many swarms hanging in the trees around the yard you could start a new apiary. I have also seen whole yards with over half deadouts after pollination when the bees were not fed after pollination and the beekeeper only assumed the bees had returned with plenty of honey. I have seen over a hundred hives which had starved when the beekeeper moved those hives in on Blue Vine (with MT supers) and the crop was a complete failure even though the crop had produced a crop every year ever since the beekeeper had been moving bees in. The hives were not looked at for around two months. None of the above has happened to me personally but I hear the stories and have seen the deadouts. Bob :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:54:51 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Malcolm T. Sanford" Subject: GMOs and bees In-Reply-To: <200404020501.i324x2gF022817@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Once again, there is a more recent article available on this subject. See: http://www.beekeeping.com/articles/us/gmo.htm Malcolm T. Sanford Professor Emeritus, University of Florida http://beeactor.vze.com 352-336-9744 or 392-1801 x 150 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:11:05 +1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: T & M Weatherhead Subject: Re: book price MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the origins of the ABC and XYZ but no one has been able to offer a price for what they think it is worth. Has any been sold in recent times? Trevor Weatherhead ASUTRALIA :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:38:59 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Zachary Huang Subject: Re: GMOs and bees A recent research article related to GMO and bees from my lab is available here: http://cyberbee.msu.edu/huangpub/2003JAR.pdf Best, Zach http://cyberbee.msu.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 14:11:48 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Allen Subject: Re: book price Hi Trevor: You might be interested in contacting Larry Conner at Wicwas Press. He comes to some of the beekeeping seminars here in the U.S., both as a speaker and seller of old beekeeping books. His email address is listed on his website: www.wicwas.com Regards, Dick Allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:53:53 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Seiler Apiaries Subject: Re: GMOs and bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zach Huang wrote > A recent research article related to GMO and bees from my lab is available here: > > http://cyberbee.msu.edu/huangpub/2003JAR.pdf > Interesting study. I have never viewed GMOs from the perspective of being a tool in beekeeping practice. I do not know enough about GMO and honeybees to really enter the debate, but this is certainly interesting research. Thanks Frank Seiler www.seilerbees.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:44:00 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Kilty Subject: Re: How to draw Foundation In-Reply-To: <20040226141421.21164.qmail@web20803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 In message <20040226141421.21164.qmail@web20803.mail.yahoo.com>, Hervé Logé writes >May I ask you to explain, to beginners like me, why >those ratios ? What is the logic leading to those >conclusions ? There is published research summarised in the Johanssons' "Some important operations in beekeeping" which for some of us is an important reference work. It is not up to date on feeding HFCS in view of the publishing dates. Around 2:1 (actually slightly less) is optimal for autumn (fall) feeding as the highest percentage of sucrose is converted to fructose and glucose and winter survival is best. 1:1 seems to be optimal for immediate conversion and bees dilute anything stronger down to this when using it. 1:2 mimics an average nectar and additionally supplies extra water for diluting stored honey, hence stimulating the queen to lay. 1:1 also stimulates a colony to rear brood and releases flying bees to get more pollen and is excellent for feeding swarms and nuclei. -- James Kilty :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:17:40 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: Number of bees two fingers of a jar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Peter & all Sorry about the delay in replying... > I am not convinced that all vending machines use the same size cup! I was trying to keep things as simple as possible and so I assumed that vending machine cups, although not identical, were similar enough not to bother about the difference. But I was given some other figures at the weekend by Pam Gregory, her figures were specifically for the expanded polystyrene type of vending cup and those figures were 500 to 850 bees in the same soggy condition that I described... Having been collected in a Marburg box in the same way. Best Regards & 73s, Dave Cushman... G8MZY Beekeeping & Bee Breeding Website Email: cyberbeek@tiscali.co.uk or dave@dave-cushman.net http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman & http://www.dave-cushman.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:38:37 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Canadian Food Inspection Agency health hazard alert warning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/recarapp/2004/20040403be.shtml HEALTH HAZARD ALERT: MINISTER ORDERS MANDATORY RECALL OF LABONTÉ BRAND NATURAL HONEY FROM BLUEBERRY BLOSSOMS WHICH MAY CONTAIN NITROFURANS OTTAWA, April 3, 2004 - The Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food, Honourable Robert Speller, has issued a mandatory recall order for Labonté brand Natural Honey from Blueberry Blossoms as the product may be contaminated with nitrofurans. The mandatory recall order requires all persons selling, marketing or distributing the product to recall it. Earlier today, the the public not to consume Labonté brand Natural Honey from Blueberry Blossoms Canada No. 1 Golden Liquid as the product may be contaminated with nitrofurans. The earlier health hazard alert can be viewed at http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/recarapp/2004/20040403e.shtml ----------- What about all the Argentine honey that went into the USA? I heard Sioux bought a lot of it. allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:37:23 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gilles and Lee-Ann Organization: Turtle River Apiaries Subject: Re: Canadian Food Inspection Agency health hazard alertwarning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit allen dick wrote: > What about all the Argentine honey that went into the USA? I heard Sioux > bought a lot of it. > > I understand that these honey recalls in Canada occurred recently because the test for nitrofuran was only recently available. Canada has a 0 tolerance for such drugs. What is the tolerance in the US? I understand that they do tolerate higher than O. I'm hoping that all this honey that is currently in Canada will not end up in the US. Send it back to where it came from. Gilles :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:24:53 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jack Grimshaw Subject: Re.ABC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trevor, Try contacting Dana Stahlman at http://www.gobeekeeping.com/bookstore.htm.He has quite a few copies of ABC for sale. Jack :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 04:04:01 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Herv=E9=20Log=E9?= Subject: Re: Canadian Food Inspection Agency health hazard alertwarning In-Reply-To: <405EEC13.26A767B8@mts.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Gilles and Lee-Ann a écrit : > allen dick wrote: > > > What about all the Argentine honey that went into > the USA? I heard Sioux > > bought a lot of it. > > > > > > I understand that these honey recalls in Canada > occurred recently because the > test for nitrofuran was only recently available. > Canada has a 0 tolerance for > such drugs. I am afraid 0 tolerance is an utopic leitmotiv. I guess it means somewhere between LD (detection limit)and LQ (quantification limit), LQ beeing easier to defend in court. But I ignore what those values are for nitrofurane. Hervé Yahoo! Mail : votre e-mail personnel et gratuit qui vous suit partout ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis grâce à Yahoo! Messenger !Téléchargez Yahoo! Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 01:37:02 -0400 Reply-To: jfischer@supercollider.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Organization: Bedford Advanced Technology Test Lab Effort Subject: Re: Canadian Food Inspection Agency health hazard alertwarning > Canada has a 0 tolerance for such drugs. What is the > tolerance in the US? > I understand that they do tolerate higher than 0. Every country has a tolerance "higher than 0", even if they want to claim that they have "zero tolerance". The term "zero tolerance" is an emotional one. "Zero" never was, and may never actually be zero when it comes to testing for contamination, moreso when it is impossible to test each and every barrel of honey. > I'm hoping that all this honey that is > currently in Canada will not end up in the US. Some perspective appears to be required. Perhaps a few questions would help: 1) Which statement made in the past few day on Bee-L is more scary? a) "Honey... may be contaminated with nitrofurans." ("Canadian Food Inspection..." Mon, 5 Apr 2004) b) "The Section 18 emergency exemption for CheckMite+ has been renewed." ("Section 18 emergency exemption...", Thu, 1 Apr 2004) 2) Given a choice between trace-level Nitrofurans contamination or trace-level Coumaphos contamination in honey, which would you eat? 3) Which are you more likely to find in US and/or Canadian honey? 4) Which one is known to have acute negative impact due to cumulative trace-level exposure over time? 5) Who would have ever suspected that beekeepers would need to brush up on their microbiology? jim :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:32:53 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Zachary Huang Subject: Re: GMOs and bees On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:53:53 -0700, Seiler Apiaries wrote: >Interesting study. I have never viewed GMOs from the perspective of being a >tool in beekeeping practice. I do not know enough about GMO and honeybees to >really enter the debate, but this is certainly interesting research. Thanks for the compliment. We have another study to be published soon looking at the effect of canola pollen bees through both a lab and a field study. Again no effect was found, which is good news for bees. Zachary http://photo.bees.net/gallery :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:17:59 +0200 Reply-To: olda.vancata@quicknet.se Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Olda Vancata Subject: Color marking of qeens In-Reply-To: <001401c3f8b0$e102de60$25bc59d8@BusyBeeAcres> When first? By who? \vov :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:19:58 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike Griggs Subject: Selections from the E.F. Phillips Beekeeping Collection Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After many months of waiting the first ten volumes of 90 selected candidates from the E.F. Phillips rare beekeeping book collection are now available for anyone with internet access at > http://bees.library.cornell.edu/ <. Thanx must go out to EAS for starting a challenge for matched donations > http:easternapiculture.org <. However, other Beekeeping Associations in the US have made generous donations as have individuals. One must also recognize the helpful Mann Library staff who will continue to work on this project You can become a part of this valuable project by donating as well!! Either look to the main site above or go to the EAS site to get information in PDF format > http://easternapiculture.org/programs/phillips.pdf<. This is one part of an initiative to digitize early american agricultural literature at Mann Library at Cornell University for "The Core Historical Literature of Agricultural" > http://chla.library.cornell.edu/ < Original text/figures can be viewed as well as a text version that can be searched & downloaded. This is an exciting initiative that started with the vision by E.F. Phillips himself > http://bees.library.cornell.edu/b/bees/about.html <. Finally the WWW makes it possible for beekeepers to see these valuable works by early American beekeeping authors. Here is the list of books now available for search on line at > http://bees.library.cornell.edu/ <. • Alley, Henry. The beekeeper's handy book, or, Twenty-two years' experience in queen-rearing, containing the only scientific and practical method of rearing queen bees, and the latest and best methods for the general management of the apiary Henry Alley, Wenham, Mass. : 1883. • Doolittle, Gilbert M.. Scientific queen-rearing as practically applied; being a method by which the best of queen-bees are... T. G. Newman, Chicago : 1889. • Dzierçzon, Jan. Dzierzon's rational bee-keeping, or, The theory and practice of Dr. Dzierzon Houlston & sons, London : 1882. • Huber, Franðcois. New observations on the natural history of bees Printed for J. Anderson ; Edinburgh : 1806. • Langstroth, L.L. Langstroth on the hive and the honey-bee; a bee keeper's manual... Hopkins, Bridgman, Northampton : 1853. • Miller, C. C. Fifty years among the bees A. I. Root Co., Medina, Ohio : 1911. • Munn, W. Augustus. A description of the bar-and-frame hive John Van Voorst, London : 1844. • Phillips, Everett Franklin. Beekeeping [1915?] • Quinby, M. Mysteries of bee-keeping explained; being a complete analysis of the whole subject : ... C. M. Saxton & Co., New York : 1853. • Root, A. I. The A B C of bee culture; a cyclopµdia of everything pertaining to the care ... A.I. Root, Medina, Ohio : 1879. Mike Griggs President Finger Lakes Beekeepers PResident EAS 2002 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:16:45 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tony Dixon Subject: Re: book price Hi, I looked up the book on abebnooks.com a used book search engine for bookstores. This gives the location and price of the book for sale. I found that a number of the books were offered for sale from $us 75.00 to $135.00. Try a search yourself using abe.com or used books. Tony Dixon :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:16:49 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: Selections from the E.F. Phillips Beekeeping Collection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all > http://bees.library.cornell.edu/b/bees/about.html Stunning! A great service to beekeeping... This information will keep me out of mischief for many hours. I must applaud the effort that has been expended by all those involved. It is a fabulous resource and I would like to especially thank whoever thought of the idea of doing it and those that have funded it. The books may be past their 'sell by date', but there are 'pearls and gems' of knowledge in them that many modern exponents of the craft have forgotten or ignored. Best Regards & 73s, Dave Cushman... G8MZY Beekeeping & Bee Breeding Website Email: cyberbeek@tiscali.co.uk or dave@dave-cushman.net http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman & http://www.dave-cushman.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 06:54:39 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Paul D. Law (aka Dennis)" Subject: "Dip Into Honey Pot for Good Health" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Dip Into Honey Pot for Good Health" "Adding a little honey to your diet may do more than satisfy your sweet tooth. Honey may also boost levels of healthy antioxidants, new research suggests. " http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&e=1& u=/nm/honey_antioxidants_dc :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 00:29:16 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ted Hancock Subject: Growing a brain Last weekend, CBC radio aired an interesting story concerning research being done on wasp brains. When I heard it I thought someone would mention it on Bee-L but I see no one has. So I will pass on what I can remember. Sean O'Donnell? from Seattle University has been studying colonies of wasps in Costa Rica. He has found that as the wasps graduate from simple housekeeping tasks performed inside the nest to more complex tasks outside the nest their brains grow bigger. I believe Mr. O'Donnell said the region of the brain that grows is known to be responsible for cognitive functions. More research needs to be done to find if the wasp's brain grows larger because of the increased demands on it (how to find and gather food in a complex and changing environment)or if wasp brains simply grow with age. Mr O'Donnell was not asked why he is doing this research on wasps instead of honeybees. It seems likely that honeybee brains would grow in a similar way. With honeybees you could solve the chicken or egg question by incubating several frames of brood, letting them hatch out with a new queen and seeing if the bees that take up the tasks of foraging have bigger brains than those that clean cells. Does anyone know if this research has been done with honeybees? All this could explain why drones don't seem to do much of anything. Given the large size of their heads it seems likely they have a brain to match and that they spend a lot of time just thinking about the complex task they have to perform outside the nest. Speaking of the chicken or the egg I heard a joke the other day. A chicken and an egg are in bed together. The chicken is looking frustrated and the egg is taking a drag on a cigarette. And the egg says " Well, I guess that answers that question". Bees look good. Started bringing in the first of the pussywillow pollen late last week. We could use some rain. Hope you are all getting rain, Ted Ted :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::