From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 08:53:19 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-86.8 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F4149083 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SDdDKb012145 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:18 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0404B" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 67141 Lines: 1456 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 04:17:34 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Andy's Nachbaur's Site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although, today, there are more beekeeping sites on the Internet than any of us -- AFAIK -- care to visit, a decade or so ago, this was not the case. Internet beekeeping sites at that time could be counted on one hand. At that time, Internet access was difficult to find, and fidonet, Compuserve and other dialup networks were more popular with those who were not fortunate enough to have academic or computer industry connections, but still wanted to network using the keyboard. Affordable computers were limited in graphical capabilities, modem speeds were slow, connections were often made over long distance lines, and as a result, other than picture and file swapping, most such content was text-based. Even the web, when it first came out was mostly text-based. Lynx was the first browser I recall, and when I first got a copy of Cello, then Mosaic, I remember there were not a lot of graphical sites to visit. At any rate, Andy Nachbaur was a pioneer among beekeepers who adopted computers, and he ran his Beenet bulletin board out of Los Banos before the Internet became widely available and popular. As with many others who started out on bulletin boards, Andy migrated to the Internet as quickly as public access became practical and affordable. A quick search shows Andy showed up here on BEE-L in September 1994, and became a frequent contributor. As the Internet became more functional and popular, Andy kept his Beenet bulletin board running, but also had a website running at http://beenet.com by December 1998. After Andy died, in 1999, his site remained on the web for two years, then the URL went to another owner and his site disappeared from the web. A number of beekeepers who knew Andy have expressed interest in finding a copy of his website to keep around as a memento. Copies of his site have always been available at the Internet Archive site -- http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html , however, although the final copy of the site, and some earlier versions, can be seen at the Archive, what we see there lacks some of the original content due to the way the site was constructed, and its reliance on aps and content loaded from remote sites. Some of those sources are no longer in existence or have changed their services and/or URLs, leaving some holes in Andy's pages. The Wayback Machine also does best with simple pages, and although it tries its best, it has some problems with complex or non-existent content. Some time back, I tried reconstructing the site from what is available on the Internet Archive, but gave up on it and started looking for the original source code for Andy's site with the help of some of his friends at Los Banos. They've looked for some time now, but it seems that no one has come across it. Chances are it is gone forever, but for those who would like to take a peek at what can be seen, visit http://web.archive.org/web/20010208162430/http://beenet.com/ for a trip back to February 2001. allen http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:58:54 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike Griggs Subject: Re: Selections from the E.F. Phillips Beekeeping Collection In-Reply-To: <200404080402.i383jn3F007420@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave has seen the start of the effort to digitize the pre-1925 volumes of beekeeping many of which are in the rare book collection in the Mann Library here at Cornell. Please note--The correct URL is > http://bees.library.cornell.edu/ < I am not sure how the test URL got out. Please use the URL given here. Stay tuned as the Tampa Bay Beekeepers Association is working on a generous donation and a matching challenge, which if successful will allow the collection of digitized volumes to more than double from its present number of 10. Digitization will progress from volumes considered most important & informative on down. Some volumes are relatively unknown to beekeepers because they have been locked up for safety which ironically has prevented beekeepers from accessing them. This project, through the Cornell Library, may be a considered a tax free donation on your part. So if you are interested in contributing to this, please visit the URL above or go to the PDF flier posted on the EAS site at > http://easternapiculture.org/programs/phillips.pdf < or just contact the Library. This may be something your local or state association may like to pursue. Mike Griggs President Finger Lakes Beekeepers :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:29:14 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: david flathman Subject: book price - Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Classic Beekeeping Book: Root ABC of Bee Culture., 1891 the book sold for $31, yesterday. something is only worth what someone will pay _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:41:56 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Keith Malone Subject: Re: book price - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, > Classic Beekeeping Book: Root ABC of Bee Culture., 1891 > > the book sold for $31, yesterday. > something is only worth what someone will pay > The price of an antique book like this depends on the overall condition of the book. Even though one sold for $31.00 and the other $148.50, one was in very poor condition and the other that sold for $148.50 was in near mint condition other wise excellent from what I could see. They probably both sold for what they were worth by condition but of course the one in mint condition is more desirable and would be a real pleasure to own. The other in poor condition would be a hard book to handle, but neither book would need to be handled any longer thanks to this site; http://bees.library.cornell.edu/ . .. Keith Malone, Chugiak, Alaska USA, http://www.cer.org/, c(((([ , Apiarian, http://takeoff.to/alaskahoney/, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norlandbeekeepers/ , http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ApiarianBreedersGuild/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 21:25:13 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Andy's Nachbaur's Site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allen said: A quick search shows Andy showed up here on BEE-L in September 1994, and became a frequent contributor. When I first joined BEE-L I went back to the start and read all posts up to the date I joined. Andy's posts reflected not only a knowledge of beekeeping but a love of beekeeping. For those which have wondered why I have not posted in awhile I will answer on BEE-L as typing emails is very painful at present time. I have suffered a massive rotator cuff injury and am awaiting surgery in an attempt to repair the damage. Due to help from my close beekeeping friends my business will not suffer but I am limited in what I can do. Sincerely, Bob Harrison Odessa, Missouri :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:41:59 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Christine Gray Subject: Re: book price - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The range of prices for a classic bee book gives beekeepers who want to study these books - and not just hoard them - the chance to build a worthwhile collection. I always go for the worst copy. With the worst, I can even mark pages in pencil without feeling too bad about it. A copy in one's hand is always going to be easier to use than going to the net. Personaly I spend too much time as it is staring at a screen. But the net copies are going to be a wonderful back-up. Robin Dartington :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:48:44 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Christine Gray Subject: Re: Andy's Nachbaur's Site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is deeply saddenning to hear of Bob's injury. All sympathy and wishes for full recovery. Could we ask , gently, how the injury occurred? Is there a lesson / warning here for all beekeepers? I ask because our Regional Bee Inspector here in eastern UK has been forced into retirement by inoperable damage to his shoulder caused by lifting a heavy pile of supers once too often - tearing the ligament. Bee boxes were designed when manual labouring was the norm - now we commonly use aids, occasional heavy lifting can be more dangerous. Learning of the misfortunes that do occur can give a salutory warning. Robin Dartington :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:06:35 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Malcolm T. Sanford" Subject: Andy Nachbaur's Site In-Reply-To: <200404090400.i393vX29012655@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For a review of Andy's remarkable site before it disappeared into cyberspace, see http://www.beeculture.com/beeculture/digital/1999/column15.htm His treatise on SAD and BAD Bees remains a classic: http://apis.ifas.ufl.edu/apis90/apjul90.htm#3 Malcolm T. Sanford Professor Emeritus, University of Florida http://beeactor.vze.com 352-336-9744 or 392-1801 x 150 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:01:01 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: The (Canadian) border will be open to Queen bees from the mainland USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=77 --- CFIA just posted amendments to the Regulations for Importing Queen bees from the USA. This can be viewed in the Canadian Gazette. Follow the web link below for all the details http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/2004/20040410/html/regle6-e.html This is the best news I have heard in the last couple of years. Terry --- See also http://www.honeycouncil.ca/users/folder.asp?FolderID=876&nID=395 allen http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:53:15 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Andy's Nachbaur's Site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robin asks: Could we ask , gently, how the injury occurred? Is there a lesson / warning here for all beekeepers? My hernia of a few years ago was directly related to handling of 55 gallon drums but my shoulder injury was an unfortunate accident. I had driven to Springfield, Missouri to do a beekeeping talk at the Ozark Beekeepers monthly meeting. The group was a wonderful group and asked many questions. I would like to speak again! We returned to the Best Western Motel we were staying at and decided to go to the spa room and use the hot tub. After leaving the hot tub and heading for the dressing room I slipped and fell on the wet floor. I without thinking put my right arm out to break my fall tearing my rotator cuff very badly and ending up spending most of the night in the ER of a local hospital. Thanks to my many beekeeping friends for your help (Glenn D. & Bill T. today with getting syrup off the tanker truck) and also emails of encouragement from those on BEE-L. Sincerely, Bob Harrison Ps. Not to forget thanks to my wife which has been doing typing for me! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:13:57 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Christine Gray Subject: Re: Andy's Nachbaur's Site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They always say here that too much washing weakens you. Now we know how dangerous it can be. Luckily Bob is getting immediate treatment. The UK Regional Bee Inspector was sent first to a physio - by the time he got referred to a hospital specialist, formation of scar tissue has apparently made it impossible to re-attach the muscle. He is now on painkillers for life. Robin :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:53:46 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike Subject: Re: Hive ID tags In-Reply-To: <200404100401.i3A403JT014224@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the past there have been reports of ID chips which can be inserted into portions of the bee hive which can be ID'd by a scanner from a few feet away. Has there been any update on this? How are things progressing in this area? I'm getting ready to expand and if it is economically feasible would like to start inserting chips into my equipment. Mike :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:02:52 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chuck Norton Subject: Re: Hive ID tags On Sat, 10 Apr 20, Mike penned: "...if it is economically feasible would like to start inserting chips into my equipment." FWIW on microchipping hives or hive parts, I drove to Georgia earlier this week for package bees and queens. For the first time I got to meet a lot of folks face to face that I have been dealing with over the phone for many years. While at one of these package and queen producers I learned of a complete yard of bees having been stolen earlier this season. The yard of bees was stolen not the hives, seems that the culprit absconded with the bees by shaking out all 40 plus hives in the yard into his own hives leaving frames with honey, pollen and brood helter-skelter. I was told that it was as if a tornado had come through the apiary. All the hives and their individual frames were branded; but, the bees were stolen anyway, very sad... but, I have no doubt of it being true. Chuck Norton Norton's Nut & Honey Farm Reidsville, NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:53:22 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Hive ID tags MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Chuck & All, Jerry Bromenshenk is leading the field in coming up with ID for bee hives to prevent hive theft (and many other management uses). The Micro chip like we use in pets and exotic animals is too expensive. The price for readers is similar but the cost from the supplier per micro chip (like I use on my animals) runs around $10 per animal in quantity. The method Jerry is working on is similar to the method Wal Mart stores will soon be using. Jerry feels the method will be fairly inexpensive after WaL Mart buys enough product to get the price down. Kind of like the cost of wooden ware in the U.S. would be most likely double the price today if large commercial beekeepers did not buy the amounts they do keeping prices within reason. Today's animal microchips only read at close range (inches) while the product Jerry is working with can be read from many feet away (and possibly farther in the future). Jerry hopes to talk several manufacturers of wooden ware to include his product at time of manufacture. Maybe Jerry will come on and comment. I have sit through several of his talks in the last year but at times I have trouble following along as Jerry is one of the worlds foremost experts on both hive ID & pesticides (along with his partner Dan Mayer). I am proud to call Jerry a friend and feel the beekeeping industry benefits greatly from his work on ID tags & pesticides. Both Jerry & I were amazed that at the ABF convention in Jacksonville only around 20 beekeepers (out of over 400) took time to listen to the latest information on pesticide contamination problems. I guess sitting through another program on "making creamed honey" or "making nucs" was of greater importance to those beekeepers. If you ever get a chance to hear Jerry B. speak please do as I assure you you will not be disappointed! Sincerely, Bob Harrison Odessa, Missouri B.H./ E.T.H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Norton" To: Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Hive ID tags On Sat, 10 Apr 20, Mike penned: "...if it is economically feasible would like to start inserting chips into my equipment." FWIW on microchipping hives or hive parts, I drove to Georgia earlier this week for package bees and queens. For the first time I got to meet a lot of folks face to face that I have been dealing with over the phone for many years. While at one of these package and queen producers I learned of a complete yard of bees having been stolen earlier this season. The yard of bees was stolen not the hives, seems that the culprit absconded with the bees by shaking out all 40 plus hives in the yard into his own hives leaving frames with honey, pollen and brood helter-skelter. I was told that it was as if a tornado had come through the apiary. All the hives and their individual frames were branded; but, the bees were stolen anyway, very sad... but, I have no doubt of it being true. Chuck Norton Norton's Nut & Honey Farm Reidsville, NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:49:17 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mark Dettori Subject: Doube Queen System: Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently read the April "Bee Culture" article on a two queen system by Serge Labesque. To quickly recap this article for those that do not read "Bee Culture", Serge put forward his technique of combining two hives to form a double queen colony. Below is an ordered description of the setup: Inner and top covers Supers as appropriate Queen excluder with entrance Hive body with queen rite colony Queen excluder with entrance 1-2 supers Queen excluder Hive body with queen rite colony Bottom board Serge indicates that the supers separating the two colonies will provide a buffer space and "the bees of the two hives will intermingle without fighting". It's not that I don't trust Serge but this violates a few things that I have been taught. 1.) Why wont the bees fight without some time to transfer taste without coming into direct body to body contact with each other, such as is the case with using newspaper or a small mesh screen? 2.) Why wont the queens detect each other's pheromone and set out to do perpetual combat, never being able to find each other, thus disrupting egg production? Any thoughts? I like this system if it works as advertised; very simple and slick. The other method I have heard of, the Snelgrove method, isolates the pheromones of one queen from the other, save for maybe a 24 hour declining period during a transfer of field bees from one box to the other. This, from my uneducated perspective, seems to be by purpose and makes the Snelgrove more complicated and time consuming. Would appreciate hearing discussion on this. Thanks, Mark :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:38:02 -0400 Reply-To: jfischer@supercollider.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Organization: Bedford Advanced Technology Test Lab Effort Subject: Re: Hive ID tags Bob Harrison said: > Kind of like the cost of wooden ware in the U.S. would be most > likely double the price today if large commercial beekeepers > did not buy the amounts they do keeping prices within reason. As someone who makes beekeeping products, and sells through dealers, I can say with a high degree of certainty that an businessperson would view the market for beekeeping supplies "the other way 'round". The hobby segment, buying in smaller quantities, and paying full retail price, provides a profit margin to the manufacturer and dealer. This allows these businesses to not just meet payroll, but make an actual net profit, and reinvest some of that profit in new or upgraded capital equipment and new product development. The hobby segment also justifies the overhead costs inherent in the extensive distribution channels that serve both the hobbyist and commercial beekeeper. Think about it - why does Dadant have a warehouse in Lynchburg, VA of all places? It is not on the east coast migratory route, in fact it is several hours drive from I-95. Virginia is not a major honey-producing state. (When one uses the term "large" to describe an operation in Virginia, one is speaking of hundreds, rather than thousands of hives.) The bulk orders placed by large commercial beekeepers are awarded to the lowest bidder, so much of this woodenware is sold near, at, or even below cost by the manufacturer. The manufacturer is lucky to break even, and a dealer does not often even participate in the sale at all. Of course, Dadant, Brushy Mtn, Mann Lake, and a few others are both dealers and makers of their own woodenware, which blur the distinction. So, one could say that the large commercial beekeepers are able to exploit and profit from a situation that would not exist if not for the much more profitable hobby market segment. If not for the hobby market, there would be far fewer companies for large beekeepers to pit against each other in the annual race to the bottom of the price curve, far higher prices for all the items purchased by all beekeepers, and far less incentive for anyone anywhere to innovate. Jerry's Hive-ID project is a difficult challenge, one made much more difficult by the lack of any reason for a hobbyist to ever "tag" hives. The technical problems are not as difficult as they might seem, but the basic financials of the business make it a safe bet that no one will making any boat payments with the profits from such a venture, if any. The technical issues are not all that much of a problem. We've been quietly tracking bottles of Bee-Quick with satellite recon for years, but we weren't going to admit it until other companies took the brunt of the predictable and highly justified paranoid reaction to the implications of "traceable products". http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/rpt3/test.html jim :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:37:40 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Nelson Subject: Re: Andy Nachbaur's Site Some more of Andy's writings are preserved at http://www.beesource.com/pov/andy/index.htm When I first started surfing the web and found Andy's site I was hooked. I checked it nearly daily. I, like many others, saw some things a bit differently than Andy. I was probably less interested in his editorials than I was his 'news' page. Undated daily it was a phenomenal collection of articles relevant to honeybees and beekeeping from across the country and around the world. Invariably he had 3 or 4 new ones daily. I don't know how he found them other than he must have had an immense newtork of contributors or spent a lot of search time daily. The only thing similar in existance today is Allen's diary. http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/default.htm And of course this list and a newsgroup (or maybe two). When Andy went off the web abruptly that spring I was lost so to speak. After much searching it was finally here that I learned of his death. And here I came to for info and since a visitor to Allen's diary. These are selfless people who take the time to keep the rest of us informed. There is, by and large, a lack of daily freshness of information despite the enormous information on the web about beekeeping. Thank you Allen and the moderator of bee-l for these resources. Bob Nelson :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:40:39 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: two queen colonies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Commenting on an two-queen article in the April Bee Culture, Mark asks: 1.) Why wont the bees fight without some time to transfer taste without coming into direct body to body contact with each other, such as is the case with using newspaper or a small mesh screen? 2.) Why wont the queens detect each other's pheromone and set out to do perpetual combat, never being able to find each other, thus disrupting egg production? 1. The need for a newspaper or other barrier to prevent workers fighting is one of those 'old boys tales' that has been perpetuated. Colonies can easily be combined without such a barrier...and with no fighting. 2. Queens seem to have enough to do without wearing themselves out looking for another queen to kill! They are not like game cocks, and easily coexist in a two-queen colony separated only by an excluder. In fact, current estimates are that some 10%-20% of all colonies have two queens peacefully laying! For a hobbyist, two-queen colonies are a fun and satisfying thing to do. They are far too much work for a larger beekeeper. Lloyd Lloyd Spear, Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacturers of Ross Rounds Comb Honey Equipment, Sundance Pollen Traps and Custom Printer of Sundance Labels. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:45:44 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Hive ID tags In-Reply-To: <002101c41fdd$44218f20$2abc59d8@BusyBeeAcres> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to Bob Harrison for briefing everyone on ID tags. We are working with Joe Traynor in California. Joe offered the older version, "pit" tag as a first step in equipment Identification and Recovery. We (Bee Alert Technology, Inc.) are working with one of the new generation tag developers to offer nanoblock tags that can be embedded into equipment, and are talking to some of the large equipment vendors. Wade Anderson, Pres., MT Beekeepers, lost a lot of hives last year. We are organizing a group of beekeepers who want to start using these tags, both for equipment I.D. and recovery and for inventory (say barrels of honey). To keep costs down, Wade is looking for partners to buy a batch of chips. Bottom line, to get the prices that Wal Mart will see, we need a large order. The smaller the order, the higher the cost. Currently, batches of 1000 cost between 75 cents to 1 dollar. 10,000 drops below 75. 100 million would go for 20-30 cents. Currently, the readers are a bit pricey, but that will come down fast. In the short term, we're planning on loaning/renting a reader; but expect the reader price to be under $500 within the year, with the chip price eventually ending up at 5 cents or less -- but that's a couple of years out. The tags that we can provide through Wade -- we're not going to make any money on the initial tags -- the industry needs them now and can ill afford any pump up of the price -- which is why a beekeeper is looking for others to join in a group order. Eventually, we hope to provide services for hive I.D., tracking, recovery, and even management. The tags that we can supply are readable at 8-20 ft, can be embedded in wood and plastic OR can be glued or stapled to a surface (say inside the box below the top bars for retrofitting equipment -- not perfect, but fast, and you'd have to pull out the frames to get at it and remove it). So, if you're interested in a cooperative effort to get this going, contact me or Wade. Jerry :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:44:39 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Hive ID tags In-Reply-To: <039101c4209b$c257f320$7604c518@gollum> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim said: Jerry's Hive-ID project is a difficult challenge, one made much more difficult by the lack of any reason for a hobbyist to ever "tag" hives. .. make it a safe bet that no one will making any boat payments with the profits from such a venture, if any. >> Agreed, reason we're letting a commercial beekeeper take the lead. Also, I've never thought that it would be of much use to hobbiest, other than equipment recovery. Our main objective is to try to help out the folks that make a living running bees (and that's a big assumption -- making a living from bees). Some of these beekeepers have lost semi-loads of hives. Jerry :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:19:13 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: JoTraynor@AOL.COM Subject: microchips Comments: cc: wenner@lifesci.ucsb.edu, carolinabeeman@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We supplied some AVID microchips to our beekeepers this year along with signs NOTICE: BEE HIVES ON THIS PROPERTY ARE PERMANTENTLY IDENTIFIIED WITH AVID MICROCHIPS. Vall AVID at (800)336-AVID We mainly wanted to put up the signs as we felt this was the biggest theft deterrent. Got this idea from beekeeper Steve Grigg, who related that the county in Moses Lake WA was plagued by continual thefts from their equpment yard. They mounted a dummy camera on a tall pole and placed a sign: "THIS YARD UNDER 24 HOUR CAMERA SURVEILLANCE. The camera never was operative but the thefts dropped to zero. Such a sign (+ live or dummy camera) could discourage both bee thefts and bee loss through shaking of colonies. We paid $2.70/chip from AVID for lots of 25. The reduced rate (compared to prices charge for insertion into pets) was because the chips didn't have to be sterilized. We felt the signs we placed this year reduced thefts (we had no thefts this year). Joe Traynor :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:33:18 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Kilty Subject: Doube Queen System: Questions In-Reply-To: <407A03AD.1D596E9E@dettori.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <407A03AD.1D596E9E@dettori.net>, Mark Dettori writes >The other method I have heard of, the Snelgrove method, >isolates the pheromones of one queen from the other, save for maybe a 24 >hour declining period during a transfer of field bees from one box to >the other. This, from my uneducated perspective, seems to be by purpose >and makes the Snelgrove more complicated and time consuming. The Snelgrove board was designed to separate an artificial swarm (lower box) from the brood and queen cells (upper box). The opening and closing of the various entrances are designed to remove flying bees from the queen cells, help the lower colony and stop swarming from the upper box (it can happen). It is not designed as a 2-queen system, but keeps the pheromones mingling if you want to unite them as a 2-queen system once you have the mated queen upstairs. If the timing of the split fits the seasons well, the 2-queens have ample time to build a larger crop, though most people (AFAIK) would give the whole of the colony over to the young queen, releasing more flying bees to forage. -- James Kilty :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:40:25 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Kilty Subject: Re: two queen colonies In-Reply-To: <003f01c4209c$3f2b3600$b2e9d518@newdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <003f01c4209c$3f2b3600$b2e9d518@newdell>, Lloyd Spear writes >Colonies can >easily be combined without such a barrier...and with no fighting. I will often put a whole nucleus into a dequeened colony, and sometimes unite using sugar syrup spray (not always successfully), and I have introduced a new queen into a nucleus made from the colony with which it is later united, but cannot recollect hearing of any other method that works. I did try putting a new queen colony above a mesh divider for a few weeks, but they still fought when I united them having disposed of the old queen a couple of hours before. Please will you give more options Lloyd. -- James Kilty :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:53:34 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mark Dettori Subject: Re: two queen colonies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Kilty wrote: > works. I did try putting a new queen colony above a mesh divider for a > few weeks, but they still fought when I united them having disposed of > the old queen a couple of hours before. Please will you give more > options Lloyd. James, Your experience indicates that the method described may be problematic. Has anyone attempted, with repeated success, the method described in "Bee Culture" (outlined in my original post). I am in my third year bee keeping and really want to give this a try. I am not intolerant to risk but don't want to do something that may be marginally successful. I know most of you will recommend I hold off on the 2 queen system until I have a bit more experience, but I guess I am one of those who likes to dive in (for better or worse). As an aside - I don't want to seem untrusting of Serge Labesque and his article. But I have learned a long time ago that the printed media is not always correct by default. I was hoping the article would contain contact information as many of these articles often due, but that unfortunately was not available. Would love to hear any experiences people may have had with this technique or others. Thanks for the help as well as this excellent forum to share knowledge and experiences. Mark :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:12:06 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Christopher Reed Subject: Pollin Traps and Swarms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Sundance pollen trap on a hive that may eventually swarm. Will the trap have any effect on the swarm as it tries to leave the hive? Chris Reed Arlington, Virginia :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:34:55 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: two queen colonies Comments: cc: "delme@DETTORI.NET" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A perennial topic on BEE-L. See: http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9712E&L=bee-l&P=R255 Aaron Morris - thinking everything old is new again! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:40:06 -0400 Reply-To: jfischer@supercollider.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Organization: Bedford Advanced Technology Test Lab Effort Subject: Re: Andy Nachbaur's Site > ...his 'news' page. Undated daily it was a phenomenal collection > of articles relevant to honeybees and beekeeping from across the > country and around the world. If you want "bee news", Nick Wallingford's "buzzwords" site is the best I have stumbled across http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/. I pull up his site to read bee news about the USA, which is exactly the twisted sort of logic that makes perfect sense on the internet. If you want more than "bee news", this is pretty impressive http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:16:16 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chuck Norton Subject: Microchips For "Hardware and Software" and Hive Management MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Joe & Jerry, I have heard stories of hives stolen, bees stolen, hives and trailers stolen, honey stolen and even more atrocious acts upon other beekeepers. I do have to say though that the group as a whole consists of a fraternity of remarkably warm and wonderful people, honest people. And, because of the goodness of the majority it is hard to believe that there is also a minority that is like a parasite that dwells in the depths of civilization’s worst excuse for mankind and takes a portion or even all of the livelihood away from those who have worked very hard to establish a very noble vocation or avocation. With the price of package bees, splits, and standard replacement queens rising, not to mention the prices of breeder queens, indeed there is the need to deter theft in the apiaries. Higher returns are now available for those who sell their honey and lease their bees for pollination services. Also the high cost of miticides and medication also affects and increases the value of a hive. All combined this helps to put a dollar value of increasing proportions on the bee hive in an apiary. A yard with 30 hives now has an assessed value of around $3500.00 dollars. That's a lot of money, and unfortunately it is just sitting there, hopefully hidden from open view; but, easy to find from the air or if you happen to live in areas not covered by hills or trees plain sight. IMO the living standard hive contains two basic items of value, the hive with frames intact and the bees -hardware and software. I certainly can see the application of microchips in beekeeping equipment not only as a deterrent to theft, but also as a management and tracking tool which can help recover the costs associated with procurement of the microchip tracking system and the chips as well. Even if a hive is sold the microchips hidden inside can give the new legal owner piece of mind that he bought a hive or frames of brood from a legitimate source. I am sure that to a sideliner or larger organization that the incorporation and utilization of microchips will be a beneficial asset to management of the beekeepers hardware. Even frames with honey or brood can be micro-chipped just as those that are currently branded so that a deterrent to theft exists. Earlier in this thread of discussion with Subject Titles: "microchips" and "Hive ID tags" I reported an incidence in which the bees were stolen and the hardware was left behind. Here certainly is the need for a chip small enough so not to hinder the free movement of the queen, but can be used as an identification and management tool which could help deter theft of one’s bees. If a universal system of identification can become established that gives one interchangeability of microchip identifying hardware and software from manufacturer to manufacturer, bee breeder to bee keeper then every queen breeder would be able to sell queens that are permanently identifiable wherever she and her children may go. Of course there would still be options available to the apian absconder, but the magnitude of a system that helps to both manage and protect woodenware and bees, hardware and software, and the ease of identification by public officials will become a deterrent to those who chose to steal from hard working honest people. Microchips will become another tool in the beekeepers toolbox that will help to protect his hives from theft and, also help the beekeeper become a better beekeeper. Regards, Chuck Norton Norton's Nut & Honey Farm Reidsville, NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:38:55 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: William Farler Subject: Re: Hive ID tags In-Reply-To: <200404120400.i3C402IT002809@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ..... I learned of a complete yard of bees having been stolen earlier this season. The yard of bees was stolen not the hives, seems that the culprit absconded with the bees by shaking out all 40 plus hives in the yard into his own hives leaving frames with honey, pollen and brood helter-skelter. .... All the hives and their individual frames were branded; but, the bees were stolen anyway, Sounds like an endorsement for branding equipment. Obviously, the thief would have taken it all if he thought he could gain from it. The branding probably saved the victim thousands in potential losses AND cost the thief thousands in potential gain. Marking and signage can be deterrants. Id tags, especially those that require close proximity to read require are primarily useful for identifying property when a thief is caught. After a thief stole my outboard motor on my boat I came up with an idea for a chain lock that is in a plastic tube of super glue. Thief cuts the chain and the next time you take a fishing trip with the boat you find the thief glued to the boat in a very apologetic mood. Maybe the idea could be adapted to a hive body design. After a few thieves find themselves superglued to an angry hive body of bees maybe word would get around. Would be worth the lawsuits. brent farler Carabella Farm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:38:55 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: William Farler Subject: Re: Hive ID tags In-Reply-To: <200404120400.i3C402IT002809@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii .... I learned of a complete yard of bees having been stolen earlier this season. The yard of bees was stolen not the hives, seems that the culprit absconded with the bees by shaking out all 40 plus hives in the yard into his own hives leaving frames with honey, pollen and brood helter-skelter. .... All the hives and their individual frames were branded; but, the bees were stolen anyway, Sounds like an endorsement for branding equipment. Obviously, the thief would have taken it all if he thought he could gain from it. The branding probably saved the victim thousands in potential losses AND cost the thief thousands in potential gain. Marking and signage can be deterrants. Id tags, especially those that require close proximity to read require are primarily useful for identifying property when a thief is caught. After a thief stole my outboard motor on my boat I came up with an idea for a chain lock that is in a plastic tube of super glue. Thief cuts the chain and the next time you take a fishing trip with the boat you find the thief glued to the boat in a very apologetic mood. Maybe the idea could be adapted to a hive body design. After a few thieves find themselves superglued to an angry hive body of bees maybe word would get around. Would be worth the lawsuits. brent farler Carabella Farm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:07:50 +0200 Reply-To: Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jorn Johanesson Subject: Re: Hive ID tags In-Reply-To: <20040413133855.93988.qmail@web61107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this was discussed in BeeGadgeds some time ago. The Idtag in question here was the Hitachi RFID tag http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/337/1/1/, which is in need for an external antenna to be reed some feeds away. By the way I see this as a possible solution for hive parts to unique identifying this. Because this can be embedded into paper, it should also be possible to put into hive parts. I do not think this will stop theft but only will help if stolen items are coming forward. For tracking of hive parts I think that James Fischers Bunker system http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/rpt3/test.html could be used even if I am not very pleased by this Big brother system. By the way the system is food for thoughts. Best regards Jorn Johanesson Only Multilingual software for beekeeping on the net. With integrated update facility hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software since 1997 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail apimo@apimo.dk :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:44:17 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Hive ID tags Comments: To: Jorn_Johanesson@APIMO.DK In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jorn said: this was discussed in BeeGadgeds some time ago. The Idtag in question here was the Hitachi RFID tag. This is incorrect, we are not providing the Hitachi tag, and the tags we can provide come with antennae, etc. The entire tag is wafer thin, embedded with its antennae in a mylar film. Jerry :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:43:49 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Vaughan Subject: Raspberries Hi all. I need to move some hives to a couple raspberry locations this week. If the raspberries are mature, with good soil and properly irrigated, is there a chance for a harvest during the several month blooming period at the rate of 1 hive per acre? Thanks Tim Vaughan :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:02:08 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Swarming with a Sundance trap MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris asks: "I have a Sundance pollen trap on a hive that may eventually swarm. Will the trap have any effect on the swarm as it tries to leave the hive?" Your bees will swarm just fine, but when the virgin queen hatches and leaves to mate she won't be able to get back into the hive if you have the 'front board' set to collect pollen. However, one of the advantages of the Sundance trap is that if you know a swarm has left you can set the 'front board' to not collect pollen. Then the newly-mated (former) virgin can easily get back into the brood area. When she is laying, just reset the front board to the collect mode. Lloyd Lloyd Spear, Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacturers of Ross Rounds Comb Honey Equipment, Sundance Pollen Traps and Custom Printer of Sundance Labels. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:09:06 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: fighting workers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been a beekeeper for more years than I like to admit, and for most of those years united colonies by the newspaper method. Then one year I happened to go back to a hive just a few hours (maybe 12) after I had united two colonies with newspaper and was shocked to find that 100% of the newspaper between the bodies had disappeared. I previously had no idea that the 'uniting' went that fast. Coincidently, shortly thereafter I read that the advice to unite slowly was an 'old man's tale' and that colonies being united will not fight. The article said that the only time colonies will fight was when robbing was occurring. So, with much trepidation the next time I united colonies I did so with no barrier to slow things down. Surprise...no fighting. I have now been uniting in this manner for many years and have never seen any fighting. Lloyd Lloyd Spear, Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacturers of Ross Rounds Comb Honey Equipment, Sundance Pollen Traps and Custom Printer of Sundance Labels. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:30:26 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Re: Microchips For "Hardware and Software" and Hive Management MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DNA New Weapon Against Cattle Rustlers http://www.mycattle.com/news/dsp_national_article.cfm?storyid=13432 allen http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:55:29 +0200 Reply-To: Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jorn Johanesson Subject: Re: Hive ID tags In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20040413174417.01df8800@selway.umt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Hive ID tags > > question here was the Hitachi RFID tag. > > This is incorrect, we are not providing the Hitachi tag, and the tags we > can provide come with antennae, etc. The entire tag is wafer thin, > embedded with its antennae in a mylar film. I don't remember I said that. the questioning was about marking queens! but my opinion is still: I do not think this will stop theft but only help if stolen items are coming forward. Best regards Jorn Johanesson Only Multilingual software for beekeeping on the net. With integrated update facility from version 8 also manipulation of supers. hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software since 1997 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail apimo@apimo.dk :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:53:34 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Hive ID tags Comments: To: Jorn_Johanesson@APIMO.DK In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jorn said: questioning was about marking queens! Given new nanoblock technology, we finally have available a variety of radio-frequency I.D. tags small enough for queen marking, BUT the required antennal length is still too long. The length of an RFID antennae is a function of the frequency of the chip - basic law of physics. We've got part of the answer, but its not there yet. Jerry :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:15:57 +0200 Reply-To: Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jorn Johanesson Subject: Re: Hive ID tags In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20040414065334.01e03848@selway.umt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >The length of an RFID antennae is a > function of the frequency of the chip - basic law of physics. > > We've got part of the answer, but its not there yet. I just took a look at the number shield I put on my back of the queens. Its Diameter is 2.5 mm. I would not put anything bigger on the bag of the queen :) and the frequency for an antenna in this size will be so big that it will be not possible to produce. neither a RFID tag working on that frequency or a Reader producing this. That said even if I am not a Physic. Best regards Jorn Johanesson Only Multilingual software for beekeeping on the net. With integrated update facility Coming version 8 with manipulation of supers. hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software since 1997 home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail apimo@apimo.dk :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::