From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 08:53:57 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-83.6 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, DRUGS_ERECTILE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798B549087 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SDdDKf012145 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:18 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0405D" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 105158 Lines: 2304 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 02:55:35 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: GImasterBK@AOL.COM Subject: Re: drone behavior?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/21/04 11:47:59 PM, tommi94@EMYPEOPLE.NET writes: << The drones weren't excessive in number, just noticeable. >> How do you evaluate what is "excessive"? Bees installed April 16th, today is May 21st, just 35 days between dates. Over half of the bees you had on April 16th are already DEAD (worker bee life span is only 42 days). Now your colony has precious few bees until new brood emerges. Thank God the drones are dead - this new young understaffed colony doesn't need any nectar consuming "loafers" around, notably when the colony has no virgin queens that need mating Learn, learn, learn! George Imirie Certified Master Beekeeper :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:27 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tom Martin Subject: Re: drone behavior?? In-Reply-To: <200405221424.i4MEFt5O021819@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello George, You asked how does one evaluate excessive drone populations? That seems to be difficult to define. Particularly since a colony's drone populations varies significantly. Perhaps I should rephrase the sentence to say: The drone activity was what a person normally sees. When you watch a colony in the early evening the drones are returning and entering the hive. This is what I refer to as typical of a colony. The two colonies referred to do not have any noticeable drones returning at dusk. In April I was in the midst of requeening a colony with a failed queen. This colony had a lot of drones present in comparison to my other hives. My copy of The hive and the Honey Bee state that drones are tolerated until the nectar becomes scarce. Here in south central Pennsylvania the nectar is not very scarce in May. Also the book states that drones live about 54 days. Compared to the 42 days of a worker (which does vary thru out the season) there should still be drones left from the original nuc. But perhaps the drones are three weeks older than the workers when the nuc was boxed and shipped. Does someone who works with preparing nucs answer this question? I went back and reviewed my photos from May 8. I like to take my digital camera with me when examining a colony. Taking pictures of the frames makes it easier to go back and check out a colony. These nucs had drones present on the frames. There was only a few capped drone cells. The other had most of the drone comb filled with honey. This is probably because I kept syrup on the nucs pretty much always up till I moved them into a 10 frame deep on May 8. All other factors aside, does a colony exclude drones from a hive in the middle of a nectar flow? And do they exclude old drones from a hive? Thomas J. Martin Shippensburg, Pa George I enjoyed the opportunity to meet you earlier this year at the bee meeting. (Howard County fairgrounds) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 02:59:27 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "kb3ckd@juno.com" Subject: Re: Uniting two nucs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hi Suzy, There seems to be no easier way of uniting 2 nucs or colonies than the "old newspaper trick". Its simple easy and foolproof. I do it whenever I need to unite colonies. Beekeepers I knowusethe same trick. Its great to see the shreaded newspaper at the entrance of the hive. I tend to remove the paper once the 2 colonies or nucs are intermingled and there is no problems with rejection. Take care Girl Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 21:46:16 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Keith Malone Subject: drone behavior?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi George & All, > this new young understaffed colony doesn't > need > any nectar consuming "loafers" around, notably when the colony has no virgin > queens that need mating > But, These drones will provide this understaffed colony with much needed thermal mass to help keep brood covered and warm, assuming of course that there is a mated laying queen present in the colony. Drones are not totally with out use or need. Drones seem, to me, to be a very misunderstood member of a colony. . .. Keith Malone, Chugiak, Alaska USA, http://www.cer.org/, c(((([ , Apiarian, http://takeoff.to/alaskahoney/, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norlandbeekeepers/ , http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ApiarianBreedersGuild/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 06:01:58 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: Uniting two nucs In-Reply-To: <20040522.195930.29254.55123@webmail13.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-594B7AE2; boundary="=======516E6AFB=======" --=======516E6AFB======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-594B7AE2; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > There seems to be no easier way of uniting 2 nucs or colonies than the > "old newspaper trick". But there are other ways just as simple. I've found that drizzling thick syrup (HFCS) over all the bees in both units...before uniting...works as well as newspaper. I guess the bees are so intent on cleaning up the spill, that they don't notice who they are rubbing shoulders with. Mike --=======516E6AFB=======-- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:01:28 +1200 Reply-To: peter@airborne.co.nz Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Bray Organization: Airborne Honey Ltd. Subject: Re: Uniting two nucs In-Reply-To: <20040522.195930.29254.55123@webmail13.nyc.untd.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > There seems to be no easier way of uniting 2 nucs or colonies than the > "old newspaper trick". A "trick" instead of newspaper that is definitely "easier" is to use a short (1-2 seconds) blast of air freshener. We used this for reuniting 2 queen units. o Fast to use. o Bees are together faster. o No paper to blow away (we are in windy climate and reunite our 2 queen units at a windy time of year). o No paper to wick water into and hold it in the gaps between the supers which ends up rotting their edges. Perhaps not as easily described as newspaper i.e. newspaper can be defined as number of sheets, where to put them etc. Air freshener is subject to the variabilites of different brands, how long a blast, where to point it etc. Regards, Peter Bray _________________________________________________________ Airborne Honey Ltd., Pennington St, PO Box 28, Leeston, New Zealand Fax 64-3-324-3236, Phone 64-3-324-3569 http://www.airborne.co.nz peter@airborne.co.nz :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:33:18 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chuck Norton Subject: Re: Uniting two nucs Suzy, Another quick way is to take a bottle type sprayer that has never been used with chemicals or pesticides and fill it about half-way with 50/50 water and sugar syrup and a couple drops flavored extract; peppermint, almond, vanilla all work fine. Then spray the bees and frames of each hive or nuc to be combined as the case may be with the bottle sprayer using a very fine light mist onto most frames of bees being careful not to spray onto frames with uncapped brood. Also, be careful not to saturate the bees as too much of a syrup can also do harm. Just be sure that this is done on a fairly warm day in cooler weather so as not to chill the brood. Since the scent of the extract masks each hive's scent, and all the bees of both colonies are busy licking and cleaning the syrup off each other everyone becomes friends rather quickly; nobody likes to fight on a full stomach. Chuck Norton Reidsville, NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 08:39:19 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Paul D. Law (aka Dennis)" Subject: BEEMAN on the National Geographic Channel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm at this moment watching a 2-hr documentary on the national geographic channel. So far it seems to be about the impact of africanizes bees on the many beautiful native bees of Central America and in consequence, the jungle rainforest. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:44:39 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Frank Reiter Subject: Bee with a black abdomen In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040523055749.00b788f0@pop.together.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the last couple years I have been seeing some bees with completely black abdomens. I got a half decent photo today, and posted it here: http://www.blessedbee.ca/diary/item/24 Can anybody tell me what kind of bee this is? Frank. ----- The very act of seeking sets something in motion to meet us; something in the universe, or in the unconscious responds as if to an invitation. - Jean Shinoda Bolen http://WWW.BlessedBee.ca/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 00:00:28 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Allen Subject: Re: Uniting two nucs >I am planning on killing the swarm's queen, putting the frames in two individual brood boxes and uniting them with the old newspaper trick. Probably the simplest way would be to just put one box on top of another and not worry about newspapers, sprays, or elixirs. Killing one of the queens a day or so prior to uniting will eliminate any queen pheremone in that nuc. Realizing they are queenless, those bees will very likely accept the new queen. Regards, Dick Allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:44:01 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jean-Marie van Dyck Subject: Re: Uniting two nucs In-Reply-To: <200405240033.i4O0F55Y029214@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Hello all ! For Brother Adam, light (open hive for 5-10 min) and quiet are enough to provide good conditions uniting two colonies. The article (1951) was only an abstract of "Bee World" in English, but was "in extenso" in German and French. You can see the 3 on ... http://www.fundp.ac.be/~jvandyck/homage/artcl/FAintroBW51en.html extract of Bee World ... >>>>>> [...] the nucleus [ ... ] is opened and the bees exposed to the light. Next, the old queen, if one is present, is removed from the colony, and then three combs from the brood chamber. In their place are quietly inserted the three combs from the nucleus, together with the new queen surrounded by her own bees. The brood chamber must be left open to the light for 5-10 min, when the supers are replaced and the hive closed. >>>>>> hoping this helps :) Jean-Marie Van Dyck :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 14:40:20 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "A. G. Littleton" Subject: Re: drone behavior?? In-Reply-To: <000001c4406f$4f2bbaf0$507e3b42@your> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know if this is related to the discussion or not but here goes...For about 3-4 days I noticed quite a large number of drones(as many as 2 dozen one day) on the ground in front of my two side by side hives. Both hives are fairly strong and a pretty good nectar flow on for about 3 weeks. Hives really working. Don't think either hive has swarmed. These drones did not seem inclined or able to fly. There were no worker bees on the ground. Any ideas???? Gene in west-central Arkansas Tom Martin wrote: >Hello George, > You asked how does one evaluate excessive drone populations? > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:02:49 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: CSlade777@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Imidacloprid update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 18/05/2004 05:03:50 GMT Standard Time, LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU writes: > The researchers were > shown hives by beekeepers here that exhibited a very specific syndrome, that > I call "disappearing bee syndrome". It is characterized by a hive that was > doing > well suddenly being left with a queen and a small handfull of bees. Stan, Here in the UK I have seen this several times in the early years of varroa. This is in an area where most of the farms are close to organic. I suggest the researchers include viruses among their list of suspects. Ruth Waite of the Central Science Laboratory (www.csl.gov.uk) is currently asking UK beekeepers to send samples of bees so they can be tested for the various viruses they carry. It might be worth getting in contact. Chris :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 23:56:53 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Paul Collett Subject: Re: drone behavior?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "These drones did not seem inclined or able to fly. " Hi All I am not sure of this, and I cannot seem to find anything on this on the web. Is there not a recessive gene that rears its head in some colonies that results in drones that cannot fly? I have heard about this from a fellow beekeeper who I am not able to get hold of to check with. Does anybody else know anything else about this. This gene would obviously disappear after becoming obvious because these drones would not be able to distribute their genes. Just thinking about the scenario leads me to think that this phenomenon could possibly arise from varroa damage. Varroa feeding on drone pupae may harm them to the extent that they are unable to fly. I am surprised nobody has yet brought this up, maybe I am missing something here. Regards, Paul Collett Makana Meadery/Department of Entomology, Rhodes University Grahamstown South Africa www.iqhilika.co.za A.m. capensis A.m.scutellata 810mm annual precipitation :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:42:29 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Re: Uniting two nucs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A "trick" instead of newspaper that is definitely "easier" is to use > a short (1-2 seconds) blast of air freshener. We used this for > reuniting 2 queen units. Maybe Deep Woods Off would work. As described in the archives, bug repellant, rather than repelling, simply disables the bugs' sense of smell temporarily. Don't know if it is true, but that is what I've been told. Of course we'll need official approval from some govenment body to use it. allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 02:20:53 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gerhart Pahl Subject: Extracting granulated honey from comb Does anyone know how to extract partially granulated honey from comb without destroying the comb? Is there a temperature to which one could warm the frames such that the honey liquefies but the wax remains intact? Any methods or "tricks"? I have just discovered some frames with honey from last summer. I would guess that about half of the honey in each cell has granulated. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:46:19 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Allen Subject: Re: BEEMAN on the National Geographic Channel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >the impact of africanizes bees on.....native bees of Central America.....in consequence, the jungle rainforest. Hi Dennis: Aren’t there projects currently underway for bringing honey bees into, or increasing their numbers, in poor countries of the world as a source of income to the local population? One wonders how much thought has been given to the impact on native pollinators. I didn’t see the TV program. Regards, Dick Allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:28:56 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Paul Collett Subject: Re: Extracting granulated honey from comb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Does anyone know how to extract partially granulated honey from comb > without destroying the comb? Is there a temperature to which one could > warm the frames such that the honey liquefies but the wax remains intact? I have found that leaving the frames in a room at about 34 degrees C for 2 days causes the crystallization to liquefy. You may cause some damage to the comb, but not too much that the bees cannot fix. Gradual heat is much better that short intense blasts of heat as it does not damage the combs as much. Good luck Paul Collett Grahamstown, South Africa. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 06:47:18 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gary Plazyk Subject: Swarming already?!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I had one hive swarm Sunday 5/23/04, and another one Monday 5/24/04. Sunday was a gloomy morning, storms predicted. I walked back to my bee yard and found a swarm covering a fence post on the west edge of my bee yard. I had checked my hives last week, and added two honey supers each to my two hives that made it through the winter, and added a second deep super to each of my four package hives. All the hives looked healthy, but none of them seemed overcrowded. I admit I didn't look at every frame to see if there were queen cells, but this is so early I didn't expect them. As swarms go, it wasn't very large; perhaps the volume of a basketball. I was actually back in the bee yard at about 3:00 Monday when the second swarm happened. I was wearing my bee suit and was inspecting the swarm I had captured Sunday. It was overcast and had been threatening rain all morning. Then the clouds parted and the sun broke through. Suddenly I realized it was getting noisy; I turned around, and the hive nearest me was buzzing as loud as a gasoline lawn mower. Bees came boiling out the bottom entrance like a horizontal waterfall. They flew up into the air and made a cloud above me that darkened the sun. They flew higher, spread out, and began to settle on some raspberry bushes on our west fence line. After about fifteen minutes, they had settled into a cluster about the size of a bushel basket. I ran back to the garage and threw together a spare hive with empty frames, top, and base. Then I brought it all back to the bee yard, along with a large cardboard box and a set of pruning shears. I set up the hive at the back of the bee yard, and took the box and shears over to the swarm. I gently cut off the branches the bees were on, and lowered them into the box and shut it. I took the box back to the open new hive, gave it a good thump, poured the bees into the hive, and slapped the cover on. I saw bees begin to settle on the front of the hive and start to walk in, so I think I got the queen into the new hive. I'll check later to see. What bothers me is that the earliest I've ever had a swarm is June 16th; to have swarms May 23rd and 24th really surprised me. The old beekeeper's lore-poem comes to mind: "A swarm in May is worth a load of hay, a swarm in June is worth a silver spoon, a swarm in July isn't worth a fly." That means that an early swarm is more likely to have enough time to build up population to collect honey and survive the following winter - an important consideration in times when you couldn't just order a package of bees delivered through the U.S. Post Office! I wonder if anybody is tracking swarming activity and timing as yet another possible indicator of global warming? Has anybody else had early swarms? -Gary P. g_plazyk@ix.netcom.com Fuzzy Bear Farm Marengo IL (between Chicago and Rockford) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:02:21 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "G.Scott" Subject: Re: Extracting granulated honey from comb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The time and effort to get this Honey is just not worth it.....Save them for feeding..... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:32:56 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Marron Subject: uniting two nucs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Allen Dick wrote: "Try Deep Woods 'Off"".=20 I may be wrong but doesn't this contain DEET a very powerful insect = killer? Doesn't seem like something one would want in their hive. Dickm :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:26:04 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Swarming already?!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Gary & All, Gary said: I had checked my hives last week, and added two honey supers each to my two hives that made it through the winter, and added a second deep super to each of my four package hives. All the hives looked healthy, but none of them seemed overcrowded. I admit I didn't look at every frame to see if there were queen cells, but this is so early I didn't expect them. Basing swarms on time of the year is a common mistake. Many reasons for swarming are known but the crowding of the brood nest is most common. I believe swarm cells were in the hives when you did your last inspection. A complete teardown an remake of each hive in spring is the way the commercial beekeeper handles the bees urge to swarm. Overfeeding packages combined with not getting the second box on in time is a sure way to cause packages to swarm. Especially true of carniolan bees. Gary said: As swarms go, it wasn't very large; perhaps the volume of a basketball. My guess is a package if your older hives are strong. Gary said: I was actually back in the bee yard at about 3:00 Monday when the second swarm happened. Then the clouds parted and the sun broke through. They flew higher, spread out, and began to settle on some raspberry bushes on our west fence line. After about fifteen minutes, they had settled into a cluster about the size of a bushel basket. After a rain and the sun comes out and temps rise is the best time to see swarms in the bee yard. A good time to catch swarms (in my opinion) as they seem to usually move out to a low lying bush for a short while while scouts locate a permanant home. Many relocate before the beekeeper can get to the yard. The second move from my experience is usually a long distance. A small amount of swarming happens. When large scale swarming like 10 out of 10 nucs such as happened to a beekeeper from our area this spring then lack of attention by the beekeeper is the blame. Bob :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:32:36 -0500 Reply-To: dobsondomain@earthlink.net Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Stevennancy Dobson Subject: Herbicide question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Greetings to one and all from Eastern Jackson County MO. Firstly thanks to everyone that has posted questions queerys or posers during the last four or five months. It has surely been a very valid part of my Beekeeping education. Just to realise how many Apiarsists are "out there" and more than willing to their thoughts and observations has been a wonder to behold. Ok enough of the praise for the group although it is heartfelt thanks. My question is this, I have just two hives currently doing their thing (hopefully more next year). Less than a hundred yards away there is a 2 1/2 acre field that is full of what I know as thistles (similar to the national flower of Scotland) the farmer that sharecrops the farm has offered to "spray" them with herbicide, will this spray harm my bees? I am really not to bothered by the thistles as I have four goats in the field that will be more than happy to eat them once they are cut down, why they wont eat them while they are standing is one for the scientists, unfortunately I am not one, but hey each to their own. Thanks Steve (a newbee) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:44:07 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Paul Collett Subject: Re: drone behavior?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "These drones did not seem inclined or able to fly. There were no worker bees on the ground." Dear All Once again I stand to be corrected, but have done some chatting about this problem you are experiencing. There are numerous problems which may have caused this issue. The first of these, and the least likely, is that these drones were white eyed or blind drones. Because they were unable to see, they were unable to orientate and hence unable to fly meaningfully. The second possibility is that these drones were chilled during their development. The chilling prevents satisfactory development of the wing muscles, hence resulting in flightless drones. The third possibility is that your drones have contracted one of a suite of "Drone Paralysis Virusses" - DPV's These virusses are often transmitted by varroa and may indicate that the varroa are developing a level of resistance to your means of controlling them. Irrespective, there is little you may do to solve this problem. The 1st and last problems would probably be solved by requeening in the hope that you would lose the white eyed gene in the process, or introduce a strain of bees more resistant to DPV's. Hope this answers your question. Paul Collett Makana Meadery/Department of Entomology, Rhodes University Grahamstown, South Africa www.iqhilika.co.za A.m. capensis A.m.scutellata 810mm annual precipitation :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:06:05 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Herbicide question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve said: Greetings to one and all from Eastern Jackson County MO. Greetings to you from Lafayette County MO. which is the next county east of you. I keep bees in Lafayette, Johnson and Jackson every year. Steve asks: Less than a hundred yards away there is a 2 1/2 acre field that is full of what I know as thistles Bees work thistles in our area but prefer the clover. > the farmer that sharecrops the farm has offered to "spray" them with herbicide, will this spray harm my bees? Shouldn't be a problem if the bees are not working the bloom. Right now they are working mostly clover. Thistles are a big problem (according to the non beekeeper) in especially Jackson county. They spread fast. They are sprayed a plant at a time. The "old timers" cut the flowers off and burn before they go to seed and eventually the population drops. The county (Jackson and others) allways sprays after the seed has set which is a big waste of money and time. I >am really not to bothered by the thistles as I have four goats in the >field that will be more than happy to eat them once they are cut down, why they wont eat them while they are standing is one for the scientists, If the goats get hungry enough they will eat thistles but prefer other grass/weeds. Goats & llamas will even eat multiflora wild roses & dock when hungry. I have watched and they pull back their lips and only work the teeth. I can't imagine trying to swallow a wild multifloral rose vine. Are you a member of a local beekeeping club Steve? If not I will email information on the next meeting of the Midwestern Beekeepers assn. Sincerely, Bob Harrison Eastern Lafayette County Missouri :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:03:23 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jonathan Kriebel Subject: Re-Queening split I tried to re-queen a split, after an exhaustive search for a queen, I ended up shaking out the hive before I put the cage in. Inoticed thathe bees were not biting the cage, but were feeding her, so I pulled out the cork to expose the fondant.(16/05/04) I did not pierce the cany, just pulled the cork. In Saturday, I checked the hive, cage empty, no queen, no eggs. I checked again yesterday, no eggs, but the bees are drawing out the frames of foundation I added at the time of the split, and are leaving many of the drawn cells empty in what would fit with a brood pattern. I figure that there must be a queen that hatched somewhere between the 10th- 15th of May. This would not be an issue, as I would prefer to have them raise their own queen. (the queen cells were very large, and well formed at the time of the split.) Should I try to get another queen in there, wait for the new queen to get going, or put a frame of eggs from another hive in there to delay the onset of laying workers? There are only a few unhatched brood cells left <20 /frame) left. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:56:56 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Albert Cannon Subject: Re: Extracting granulated honey from comb In-Reply-To: <200405250620.i4P6Kr5I024908@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 02:20:53 -0400 >Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology > >From: Gerhart Pahl >Subject: [BEE-L] Extracting granulated honey from comb >To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu > > >Does anyone know how to extract partially granulated honey from comb >without destroying the comb? >from last summer. I would guess that about half of the honey in each cell >has granulated. > scrape along the surface with an uncapping fork and then put them on top of your crown board and let the colony take them in as food.Its a lot of trouble for not much reward otherwise. albert cannon >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >-- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: __________________________________________________ Broadband from an unbeatable £15.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/home.html?code=SM-NL-11AM :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:00:25 -0400 Reply-To: lhhubbell@johnstown.net Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Leland Hubbell Organization: Tekoa Subject: Re: Uniting two nucs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've used a spray bottle with a sugar solution and a bit of vanilla in it to unite bees. Readily available, and would seem to me to be much safer than canned sprays. Leland Hubbell :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:54:52 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "A. G. Littleton" Subject: Re: drone behavior?? In-Reply-To: <001b01c44277$80e46650$1394e792@paul> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Collett wrote: >"These drones did not seem inclined or able to fly. There were >no worker bees on the ground." > > >There are numerous problems which may have caused this issue. > > Paul, Chilling is definitely out as temps are in 80's F. Did not notice anything unusual about their appearance(white eyes). Both are strong working hives and have not seen any external symptoms of mites. Nor any workers on the ground. ????? Thanks ... Gene in west central Arkansas. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:43:02 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Coleene Subject: 2 more Auctions Comments: To: Norlandbeekeepers@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LeavesJust an FYI, There is an auction this weekend with beekeeping equipment including an extractor in Suttons Bay, Michigan. I am trying to find out the particulars on the extractor-size, stainless / galvanized / plastic. The other is in Bay City on June 12. I am trying to get more info on contents. There may be an extractor. I have a call into the auctioneer. Also, full deeps(200), supers(150), etc. Both auctions are orchards that are closing. As with the last note concerning an auction, I have no intrest in either. I just happened to run across these while perusing The Auction Exchange Website-www.eauctionexchange.com-I have no connection to that either. And, as we all know, buying used equipment can pass on disease. Coleene :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:36:21 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Allen Subject: Re: uniting two nucs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >doesn't this contain DEET a very powerful insect killer DEET is a repellent isn’t it and not an actual insecticide? Still it probably wouldn’t bee to great for the health of the bees. Suzanne asked if the newspaper trick for uniting the hive was a stupid idea. In reply to Suzanne I would say—absolutely not. Some of the replies to her question, on the other hand, did seem lacking, to me at least, in common sense. I suspect Allen’s reply was done with tongue firmly in cheek. Still, you never know…. Regards, Dick Allen (who in no way seeks to speak for Allen Dick) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:51:48 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Arheit Subject: Re: National Insect Comments: To: lhhubbell@JOHNSTOWN.NET In-Reply-To: <41C6E103.7080702@johnstown.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:26 AM 12/20/2004, Leland Hubbell wrote: >In June 1975, the Ohio legislature declared the common lady-bug, >officially named the Ladybird Beetle, the state insect. Unfortunately the common lady-bug that was declared the state insect is not so common anymore. I fact, I don't remember seeing any number of them since I was child. Now all I see is the Multicolored Asian lady beetles which were intruduced by the USDA in 78 and 81 and were possibly imported from another source as well. Their populations grow to a peak in the fall (far in excess of the Ladybird Beetle) and become somewhat of a pest. http://www.ento.psu.edu/extension/factsheets/multc_asian_ladybeetle.htm -Tim :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:36:07 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: drone behavior?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all > "These drones did not seem inclined or able to fly What is wrong with the simplest solution? How about the wing roots of the drones were chewed by the workers in order that the drones could not fly back to their hive? Some may consider it early in the season for drones to be chucked out, but I know my hives will do it early if they have a queen they are happy with (certain about?) Best Regards & 73s, Dave Cushman... G8MZY Beekeeping & Bee Breeding Website Email: cyberbeek@tiscali.co.uk or dave@dave-cushman.net http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman & http://www.dave-cushman.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:50:56 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Marron Subject: Uniting nucs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Woodsman's "Off". Allen, You were right about DEET. It is an insect repellent, not an = insecticide. I knew I'd heard bad stuff about it so I couldn't leave it = alone. It's not quite benign. = http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/deet-e= xt.html Chemical Name=20 N,N-diethyl-3-methyl-benzamide or N,N-diethyl-m-toluamide =20 "Products containing N,N-diethyl-m-toluamide and isomers (Deet) are = beneficial as insect repellents, but have also been associated with = dermal and neurological reactions in humans (3)."=20 Dickm :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:18:34 -0400 Reply-To: lhhubbell@johnstown.net Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Leland Hubbell Organization: Tekoa Subject: Re: National Insect MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, we have plenty of the imported version. Now if someone could mutate their appetite to they snack on bee mites?!?! Oh, well. Actually, beekeepers in Ohio tried to promote the "Angels of Agriculture" the honey bee as the state insect. My comments simply meant that the "other insect" crowd prevailed in Ohio, and may put up a good fight nationally. Leland Hubbell Tim Arheit wrote: > At 10:26 AM 12/20/2004, Leland Hubbell wrote: > >> In June 1975, the Ohio legislature declared the common lady-bug, >> officially named the Ladybird Beetle, the state insect. > > > Unfortunately the common lady-bug that was declared the state insect is not > so common anymore. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:21:01 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: david flathman Subject: polination Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed last week i met a big time 3rd generation tomato farmer with 250 acres under cultivation, who knows everything there is to know about growing tomatoes. i suggested that he needs some honey bees to polinate the tomato flowers and increase his yield. he dismissed me by saying the tomato flowers are polinated by the wind and he didn't need bees. any thoughts folks do bees visit tomato flowers?? refer to : thank you txbeeguy http://www.pollinator.com/tomato.htm :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:17:55 -0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jim Stein Subject: Re: Swarming already?!! In-Reply-To: <006101c44264$4f44faa0$17bc59d8@BusyBeeAcres> Bob Harrison said: >A complete teardown an remake of each hive in spring is the way the >commercial beekeeper handles the bees urge to swarm. Bob, I just went through a lot of swarming. I probably overfed before the dandelions bloomed. Would you go into more detail in how you do a complete teardown and remake of each hive in the spring to help prevent swarming. Thanks. Jim -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jstein@worldnet.att.net ----------------------------------------------------------- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:37:32 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Albert Cannon Subject: Re: Re-Queening split In-Reply-To: <200405252003.i4PEaFRk008331@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:03:23 -0400 >Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology > >From: Jonathan Kriebel >Subject: [BEE-L] Re-Queening split >To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu > > >I tried to re-queen a split, after an exhaustive search for a queen, I >ended up shaking out the hive before I put the cage in. Inoticed thathe >bees were not biting the cage, but were feeding her, so I pulled out the >cork to expose the fondant.(16/05/04) I did not pierce the cany, just by all means put in a frame of eggs/brood, if there is no queen then they should start drawing out queen cells. as it is only about ten days since you thought that the queens had hatched out you may see eggs if she has been out and mated, i would give it another week then you should see either eggs or eggs/larvae. Queens normally and i say that advisably,take up to seven days to go out to get mated,allow a day or two to get into the laying mood and you see that you are just on the edge of your queens laying pattern. take care and stay lucky albert cannon >>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >-- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: __________________________________________________ Broadband from an unbeatable £15.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/home.html?code=SM-NL-11AM :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:21:38 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Russ Dean Subject: Re: National Insect Comments: To: lhhubbell@JOHNSTOWN.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried to rally this countries Bee keepers to lobby for the honeybee to become the National Insect but found mostly bee havers answering me. Russ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:31:54 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Vaughan Subject: Re: polination He's right. Some greenhouse tomato growers use bumble bees, but honey bees would be a waste of money for tomato growers. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:15:15 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Arheit Subject: Re: polination In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:21 PM 5/26/2004, you wrote: >he dismissed me by saying the tomato flowers are >polinated by the wind and he didn't need bees. >any thoughts folks do bees visit tomato flowers?? I've never seen honeybees on tomatoes, perhaps their tongue isn't long enough or it doesn't produce much nectar. I've been told bumble bees will work tomatoes. My understanding is that tomatoes are mostly self pollinating with the flower parts close to each other so that it only takes movement of the plant (by the wind for instance) to pollinate the plant. (In a greenhouse it only takes giggleing the plants for pollination). -Tim :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:39:00 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: GImasterBK@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Bee with a black abdomen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank, I could not find your picture of the queen, but that is because I am a computer IDIOT, and could NOT "dig my way out of your advertising". As a scientist, I could go into GREAT detail here regarding the abdominal colors of a honey bee, which by the way are primarily BLACK, but years of selective breeding, notably Italians, have caused people to think that most queens have orange or rust colored abdomens. I love the bright orange abdominal color of most Italians, but for my ONLY nectar flow in Maryland which is TOTALLY OVER by June 15th for the year, 56 years ago I switched my Italians to all CARNIOLANS in order to gain a sizable honey crop, because the Carnies are about 3-4 weeks ahead of Italians in mid winter laying of brood, and hence VERY ready to forage heavily by April 15th. What I am trying to say has to do with the color of most queen abdomens. The normal WELL BRED true Carniolan has an almost black abdomen and the underside has some GRAYISH or BROWNISH hair. If in fact you have a Carniolan queen, Carnies are highly noted for one excellent point - GREAT DOCILITY that one can do almost anything with them and not be stung; and one very BAD point - they have a GREAT proclivity to SWARM. Before I would make any decision of just what I would do with this queen, I would observe her carefully and see if you can determine whether she has Carniolan attributes or whether she is an old original Italian before the inbreeding produced the fine looking orange abdomen. George Imirie Certified Master Beekeeper Starting my 72nd year of beekeeping near Washington, DC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:20:15 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: GImasterBK@AOL.COM Subject: Re: drone behavior?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Thomas Martin, A drone is at its peak sexual ability at the age of 12 days, and most drones shipped to you in packages or nucs were certainly older than that. Further, by MY standards I would be badly disappointed if I received a package or a nuc with more than 10-20 drones; and find another source of bees. It is a totally different subject, but important here regarding your problem. There are dozens of people "out there" selling packages, nucs, and particularly queens. However, there are only a FEW out of these dozens who really know anything about queen genetics or the importance of the drones in their apiary. I refer to most of these people as "producers", whereas I call those few knowledgeable people "BREEDERS." The difference between a top-flight colony and a poor colony is the GENETICS of the QUEEN, AND the GENETICS of the DRONES that the breeder used to field breed the virgin queens. This is why the highly knowledgeable queen BREEDERS study and select a line of drones that they want in their apiary for field breeding of their virgin queens. Hence they IMPORT (from another U. S. queen breeder) a new line of queens for the sole purpose of drone production of their virgin queens for the next year or so. Producing GOOD queens is a highly skilled process and requires the study of entomology, honey bee genetics, and diligent bee management. Many "bee suppliers" lack this knowledge, and YOU suffer the consequences rather than having a highly successful colony in your apiary. If the worker bees are well satisfied with their queen and a nectar flow is meager, it is not unusual to see these old drones caste out of the colony to starve. I hope I have helped! George Imirie Certified Master Beekeeper Beginning my 72nd year of beekeeping near Washington, DC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:37:51 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: GImasterBK@AOL.COM Subject: Away from home for until about July 15th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At age 83, I am taking my 75 year old Las Vegas "companion" on a six week trip to Virginia, North Carolina, and Oak Ridge, TN to see the lab I worked in for the MANHATTAN PROJECT building the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs More important, we will try to find a retirement home for "we two widowed" people in Williamsburg, VA to continue my study of how our founding fathers created this GREATEST COUNTRY of all countries. Of course, I will still have my bees, so I can TEACH my lovely companion, MarJeanne, ALL about the real JOYS of successful beekeeping. George Imirie Certified Master Beekeeper Author of George's Pink Pages Author of American Beekeepers Federation News Letter HOBBYIST TIPS President, 20 years, and Founder of Montgomery County Beekeepers with 175 paid members, 10 Master Beekeepers, and 11 yearly meetings; al of which are the largest in Maryland :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:40:43 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: polination In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E4F470C; boundary="=======22BB2004=======" --=======22BB2004======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E4F470C; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >any thoughts folks do bees visit tomato flowers?? Tomatoes are "buzz" pollinated flowers. The pollen is up inside the flowers, and won't descend until the flower is "buzzed." Did you ever watch a Bumblebee pollinate? They are noisy little critters, buzzing each flower as they gather nectar and pollen. When they visit a tomato flower, they grab on and buzz. This allows the pollen to descend from inside the flower, to where it is needed. Tomato growers even have a tool to do this. It is a little hand operated buzzer on a stick. They hook it onto the flower spur, and give the flowers a good buzz. The pollen descends, and the flower is pollinated. What did the bumblebee say to the tomato?...."Wanna catch a buzz?" Mike --=======22BB2004=======-- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:33:59 +1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: T & M Weatherhead Subject: Pollination of tomatoes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re pollination of tomatoes by honey bees have a look at the address = below. www.uoguelph.ca/botany/research/evollab/tomato%20pollination.htm = =20 =20 Here in Australia, there is a debate going on with tomato growers = wanting to import bumble bees from Tasmania to pollinate in green = houses. Tasmania is an island at the bottom of Australia and is part of = Australia. Bumble bees were accidentally introduced there a few years = back. Greenies do not want them as they are not native. There is a = researcher in South Australia looking to use native blue banded bees to = buzz pollinate tomatoes. Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:56:37 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Frank I. Reiter" Subject: Re: Bee with a black abdomen In-Reply-To: <1c8.19d0eae7.2de6bcd4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Frank, > I could not find your picture of the queen, but that is > because I am a computer IDIOT, and could NOT "dig my way out > of your advertising". [...] > What I am trying to say has to do with the color of most > queen abdomens. [...] Actually I was asking about the photo right on the page I posted a link to, which is not a honeybee at all (though it looks quite similar): http://www.blessedbee.ca/diary/item/24 A couple folks have now informed me that this is a carpenter bee, and with that pointer in hand I was able to confirm that. I am pleased to have learned something about a kind of bee I was not familiar with before. Thanks for the interesting tidbits about honeybee queen abdomen colours. I have just installed my first Carniolan queen, and I shall watch to see if that colony is more inclined to swarm and less aggressive than my other bees. Best regards, Frank. ----- The very act of seeking sets something in motion to meet us; something in the universe, or in the unconscious responds as if to an invitation. - Jean Shinoda Bolen http://WWW.BlessedBee.ca :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:07:44 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Malcolm T. Sanford" Subject: Bees and tomatoes In-Reply-To: <200405270402.i4R3DG8s012160@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >See the following for more on bees and tomatoes; >http://apis.ifas.ufl.edu/letters/aix6_7.htm Malcolm T. Sanford Professor Emeritus, University of Florida http://beeactor.vze.com 352-336-9744 or 392-1801 x 150 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:48:28 +0100 Reply-To: MunnPA@ibra.org.uk Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Pamela Munn Subject: Pamela Munn - IBRA Comments: To: a.de.ruijter@ppo.dlo.nl, dharam1_1@rediffmail.com, adam@unique-media.com, Adriana Alippi , alan@absolutelyscantastic.com, "Alberto H. 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Thank you for your co-operation. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:46:20 -0700 Reply-To: mdshepherd@xerces.org Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Matthew Shepherd (Xerces Society)" Subject: Crop foraging by bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Reducing the risk of pesticides is a significant issue for pollinator= conservation. NAPPC, the North American Pollinator Protection Campaign, is= developing a series of questions for the pesticide applicators' exams in= the U.S. that will emphasize pollinator protection during pesticide= application. One thing we're trying to clarify is guidance on the least= damaging time of the day for applying pesticides The standard guidance is to avoid application between 10:00 a.m. and 3:00= p.m. This is not necessarily suited to all regions of the U.S., nor even= every crop. Can anyone provide citations that document pollen foraging by honey bees= and other bees in the early morning hours? Similarly, are there citations= of regional differences in bee/pollinator foraging times or of crops that= have active pollinators in the morning or evening? Thanks for your help. We're going to be working with government agencies to= get these questions integrated into state exams, a task for which= literature citations will be valuable. I am posting this to four lists, so I apologize if you receive it several= times -- I know that each list reaches a different group of people. Matthew _____________________________________________ Matthew Shepherd Director, Pollinator Conservation Program The Xerces Society 4828 SE Hawthorne Boulevard, Portland, OR 97215, USA Tel: 503-232 6639 Fax: 503-233 6794 Email: mdshepherd@xerces.org Web: www.xerces.org _____________________________________________ A nonprofit dedicated to protecting the diversity of life through the conservation of invertebrates. _____________________________________________ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:43:02 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Subject: Imidacloprid in France MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I've just been told by a friend in France that finally two days ago, imidacloprid (trade name Gaucho) was banned for corn seed treatment in France due to bee losses. She also mentioned that they have a honey shortage, and theft of beehives has become a problem. Maybe others can supply more details. I've been tied up and cannot get here as often as I'd like. Dave Green The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:05:16 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Robert Barnett Subject: Re: tomato pollination In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Having grown a number of varieties of tomatoes during a good many years I don't believe I have ever seen *any* pollinator on a tomato bloom. I have seen a bumblebee or two fly near the bloom, but without stopping! I cast a vote for wind pollination. also! Bob Barnett Birmingham, Ala N 33 d. N 86 d. W USA > From: david flathman > Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:21:01 +0000 > To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu > any thoughts folks do bees visit tomato flowers?? > > refer to : thank you txbeeguy > http://www.pollinator.com/tomato.htm > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:15:10 -0400 Reply-To: Harold Eddleman Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Harold Eddleman Subject: Re: Tomato pollination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tomatoes are mostly self-pollinated, but need the wind or something shaking the vines to get the pollen from the anthers to the the pistil. When my biochem professor learned I was doing some tomato genetics, he said he grew up in a college town and his first job was working for a tomato genetics professor. The kid's job was to walk down the rows of tomatoes in the greenhouse and tap the vines with a stick to move pollen from the anthers to the pistil of the same flower. I began beekeeping about 1946. I made my own hives in woodworking class at school out of tulip tree wood which I carried a mile to school. When I went to college, the hives died out after a few years and rotted to a pile of humus. I now have 3 hives, but no bees, but hope to get them stocked in 2005. I still do maize and vegetable genetics 25 miles west of Louisville, KY. We see a honeybee about 1 to 3 times per year. I have lots of white, yellow, and little Dutch clover and other nectar sources. Harold Eddleman, Ph.D., President, Indiana Biolab Molecular Genetics and Plant Viruses 14045 Huff St, Palmyra IN 47164 -----Original Message----- From: david flathman To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: [BEE-L] polination >last week i met a big time 3rd generation tomato farmer with 250 acres under >cultivation, who knows everything there is to know about growing tomatoes. -- he dismissed me by saying the tomato flowers are >polinated by the wind and he didn't need bees. snip :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:53:01 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: CSlade777@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Extracting granulated honey from comb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is there a temperature to which one could > warm the frames such that the honey liquefies but the wax remains intact? > Try warming it to about 80F. The comb will soften and lose some of its strength in the low 90s. But why not take a crop of wax as well? The bees will soon make more. Chris :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:53:05 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Glenn Hile Subject: Honey plants I live in rural west central Ohio. My neighbor has recently put a 30 acre field adjacent to my property in the CRP program. He wants to seed it with native grasses but I have talked him into also planting some flowering plants that the bees can forage on. What would the list recommend? I was thinking a clover mixture, maybe white and sweet. Any ideas would be appreciated. Glenn :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:49:12 -0400 Reply-To: beekeeper@honeyhillfarm.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: wade Organization: Honey Hill Farm Subject: Re: Honey plants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I live in rural west central Ohio. My neighbor has recently put a 30 acre > field adjacent to my property in the CRP program. He wants to seed it > with native grasses but I have talked him into also planting some > flowering plants that the bees can forage on. What would the list > recommend? I was thinking a clover mixture, maybe white and sweet. Any > ideas would be appreciated. Glenn I'm planting yellow and white sweet clovers (the tall bushy types) which the bees use readily. They sometimes use the short white dutch clover too. I'm located in southwest Ohio. Wade -- Web Site: http://www.honeyhillfarm.com E-mail: beekeeper@honeyhillfarm.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:40:23 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bernard SAUBOT Subject: Re: Imidacloprid in France MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Imidacloprid (Gaucho) is not exactly banned, but it is suspended for all corn seed treatment untill 2006, When the E.U. regulation will take place of the states ones . Then, it will be in the hands of the European administration to give or suspend the authorizations . But if we sum up the situation at that time for France : .Imidaclprid suspended on sunflower seeds in 1998 .Fipronil suspended on all crops untill the european decision (end of 2005 for this molecule), decision taken last february .Imidacloprid suspended now on corn seeds(some leaders of agriculture movements told us last year : you'll never succed with corn, because it is far too important economically for too many productions and too many people . You've got it with sunflower because it is not so important, nobody really mind ; but corn, you really can't touch it...) .And last but not least, Bayer and BASF prosecuted in France, put on trial, Bayer having to pay a 2 million euros provision, to prepare the compensation for all victims, mainly beekeepers . .Above all of this, human health is now in question on the public place : Fipronil has a fairly high affinity with fats . Cows used for milk are eating huge quantities of corn, often treated with fipronil . Residues are beeing found in both milk and meat, and scientists now say that it may affect severly those who eat regularly those products (and fruits, and vegetables, and oil)paticularly young children . And we do'nt even talk about "frontline" for dogs and cats... You know, it looks like a real problem (big enough to alert Michaël Moore?) What about the situation in America ? We've heard of problems with imidacloprid residues in the water in Canada, and also of a 45 million dollars agreement beetween Bayer and some lobster producers . Who's next... Bernard Saubot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: [BEE-L] Imidacloprid in France > I've just been told by a friend in France that finally two days ago, > imidacloprid (trade name Gaucho) was banned for corn seed > treatment in France due to bee losses. > She also mentioned that they have a honey shortage, and theft of > beehives has become a problem. > Maybe others can supply more details. I've been tied up and cannot > get here as often as I'd like. > Dave Green > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:47:45 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Coleene Subject: Auction In Suttons Bay on 5/30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LeavesFYI, Just a quick up date on the above auction. I spoke with the auctioneer this morning and the equipment is very old-20 plus years. The extractor is galvanized and rusty but it is electric so if the price is right the motor may be adaptable to a newer model. Hope all have a good Holiday. Coleene :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 10:40:31 +1200 Reply-To: peter@airborne.co.nz Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Bray Organization: Airborne Honey Ltd. Subject: Re: Extracting granulated honey from comb In-Reply-To: <200405250620.i4P6Kr5I024908@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Does anyone know how to extract partially granulated honey from comb > without destroying the comb? Sometimes there can be some success with extracting normally but this depends a great deal on the extractor. Some extractors are better than others. Radials (horizontal or vertical) are useless. There is a semi tangental extractor recently developed here in NZ that does an exceptional job (better than a tangental or semi radial) with reports of hexagonal shaped pieces of granulated honey blocking the strainer - which leads to the next problem...... Regards, Peter Bray _________________________________________________________ Airborne Honey Ltd., Pennington St, PO Box 28, Leeston, New Zealand Fax 64-3-324-3236, Phone 64-3-324-3569 http://www.airborne.co.nz peter@airborne.co.nz :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 21:34:32 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Swarming already?!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jim & All, Jim asks: Would you go into more detail in how you do a complete teardown and remake of each hive in the spring to help prevent swarming. Basically we go through each hive looking for problems . We adjust brood so all hives are the same strength. The amount of brood left (and field bees) depends on when the flow were are preparing for is to start. The above is very labor intensive but we feel easier than fighting swarming , robbing and not being able to be able to give all hives in the same yard a super at the same time when needed. Of course the situation changes towards the end of a major honey flow. I believe in the archives I might have went into greater detail. Sorry for the late reply as I have been out of town and leaving again in the morning. Bob :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::