From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 08:48:25 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93.2 required=2.4 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8944905B for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SDdDK9012145 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:18 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0409C" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 21432 Lines: 513 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:18:22 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: OhioBeeFarmer Subject: Re: Feeding back MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your information. I had thought about feeding the honey back at some point just didn't want to do it with medication on or even didn't want to allow the queen up into my supers allowing brood. I think what I will end up doing is leaving them on top until I have to medicate then storing them until after spring medication next year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew W." To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Feeding back Maybe I'm missing something in your post but isn't your solution simply to give the 'full' honey super(s) directly into your hive(s) anyplace above brood? Perhaps you have something different you're trying to accomplish? If you're trying to transfer frame honey directly into your hives it doesn't :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:05:00 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ross Langlands Subject: Life is such a B****! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have just been up to my bees at the heather removing queen excluders (yes, I know, you shouldn't have QEs at the heather). I arrived home to find a bee stuck between the wires at one end. It was a queen and so I'm going to have to drive back tonight and run her in. Is this a common occurence or have I just been unlucky? Ross Langlands ********************************************************************** The information contained in this message may be confidential or legally privileged and is intended for the addressee only, If you have received this message in error or there are any problems please notify the originator immediately. The unauthorised use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. ********************************************************************** :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:21:23 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Rob Green Subject: Indiana Beekeeping Journal In-Reply-To: <200409160401.i8G2U7O2004500@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The October edition of the ISBA Journal is available for free download at http://www.HoosierBuzz.com/document :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:51:08 -0400 Reply-To: jfischer@supercollider.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Organization: Bedford Advanced Technology Test Lab Effort Subject: Re: honey from 1939 > The seal on the can has not been broken but the can has a > bulge at the bottom. I do not know what caused the slight bulge. An outward bulge in a can would be the result of gas pressure build-up. We should all be able to agree that the most common process where honey would generate gasses would be fermentation. How? Neil Young made an album about it - "Rust Never Sleeps". Can lids and bottoms are attached with nothing more than "crimping", and older cans were steel, so over time, the seal integrity can be lost as the seal area rusts in tiny spots, and the food will be exposed to air, moisture, whatever. Ironically, very old cans of beer tend to go "flat", rather than fermenting, so you just can't win. Even MREs (modern "C-Rations") have an official shelf life of only 5 years, so any bought in fear of Y2K chaos should be eaten or tossed out soon. I've been told that pouches of freeze-dried "camping" food will store for much longer, but I've never eaten freeze-dried anything, as my wife is a strict traditionalist when it comes to cooking, and considers "canned goods" to be nothing but last-ditch emergency blizzard supplies. jim (Yes, there IS an educational channel. One simply presses "OFF".) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:18:19 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: josh jaros Subject: Re: Colony size for wintering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello everyone, I'd like to know what the optimum colony size in number of frames is for wintering. What is too large and what is too small? Also, how many frames do you usually end up with in the spring before the first pollen flows? Please indicate where you live, if you use pollen sub, supplemental feeding, and what strain of bees you have. Thank you. Josh Jaros --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:56:42 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Colony size for wintering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'd like to know what the optimum colony size in number of frames is for wintering. Before mites wintering was the biggest topic. I would suggest contacting another beekeeper in your area and get his thoughts as most beekeeping is local. > What is too large and what is too small? Large has little to do with the subject in my opinion but the number of young bees which have been raised prior to winter does. You should in my opinion always combine those colonies you feel are too small to make a cold winter. I have already combined mine. I would rather split a strong colony in spring than try to get a problem colony through winter although I know many hobby beekeepers get very attached to each hive and will make every effort to winter a weak colony. < Also, how many frames do you usually end up with in the spring before the first pollen flows? Not a set rule of thumb. Number of frames of brood ( before first pollen)usually depends on the pollen and honey stored the fall before. Please indicate where you live, if you use pollen sub, supplemental feeding, and what strain of bees you have. I live in the K.C., Missouri area. I only feed pollen sub & feed when I am forced to as both cost money and time. Many times I will move the hives into an area of fall flowers to save feed costs and give the bees a flow. When fall nectar is coming in the bees raise young bees for winter. Italians, Russians, NWC and a host of mongrels. Sincerely, Bob Harrison :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:11:42 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "K. Oland" Subject: Tennessee Beekeepers Association annual Convention 2004 In-Reply-To: <114.349c754c.2e12318c@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The annual meeting of the Tennessee Beekeepers Association will be held October 22-23 in Memphis, TN (USA) at the Agricenter International. Topics from queen rearing to mead making to marketing will be covered by Robin Mountain, Harry Fulton and others yet to be confirmed. Discounted rooms are available at the Comfort Inn and Suites, 7787 Wolf River Boulevard, Germantown. Reserve by calling 901-757-7800 and asking for the Tennessee Beekeepers Association rate. It will be $62.00 a night. This rate is available until October 10th. Hookups for motor homes are available at the Agricenter. All participants are encouraged to enter the honey, wax and photography competitions. Please see our website at www.tnbeekeepers.org for registration and updates. The Agricenter's website is www.agricenter.org. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:35:24 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: davidbrowder Subject: Re: Life is such a B****! MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Been using excluders for decades, never seen or heard of such a thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Langlands" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: [BEE-L] Life is such a B****! > I have just been up to my bees at the heather removing queen excluders (yes, > I> > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:24:57 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: ApiLife Var Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-48EA1B91; boundary="=======1A2C703D=======" --=======1A2C703D======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-48EA1B91; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I plan on using ApiLife on some colonies. Should I reduce the entrances? Close the upper entrance? Tape large cracks and holes between hive bodies? I would like to ask Bob H. as he has used the produce, but I can't find his address. Mike --=======1A2C703D=======-- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:28:54 +1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: M & T Weatherhead Subject: Apistan tabs in queen cages In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone on the list had any first hand experience with using or receiving queen bees in cages that have Apistan tabs in them? Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 17/09/04 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 06:47:51 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: Colony size for wintering In-Reply-To: <20040916181819.63669.qmail@web60007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7A2D44BD; boundary="=======216326CF=======" --=======216326CF======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7A2D44BD; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I'd like to know what the optimum colony size in number of frames is > for wintering. Pretty hard question to answer. I winter on all sizes from 30 frames down to 4. I guess what matters is the % of young bees in the colony, and how they have setup their broodnest. Some colonies are more conservative than others. They can pack the honey and pollen into a smaller space, and winter on less combs, with fewer bees. >What is too large and what is too small? Is there a "too large"? Maybe not. The bees will adjust to the size. This might mean leaving on too much honey, and having it be wasted...crystallized in the spring so it can't be extracted. I think there is a too small though. I can see trying to reduce the size of the colony...after the flows are finished...and removing the stored pollen by taking the top box of honey. That would be a mistake. > how many frames do you usually end up with in the spring before the > first pollen flows? It varies too much to be important. Some bees winter with small clusters, and some with large. The small, conservative colonies often wait until there is pollen available and then expand rapidly. I think it more meaningful to count the size of the cluster...actually number of frames of brood...at the first flow like Dandelion. Mine have 1 to 14 frames of brood at this point, with most 6 to 9. The 4 frame nucs have 1 to 4, with the average being 3. >Please indicate where you live, if you use pollen sub, supplemental >feeding, and what strain of bees you have. >Josh I keep my bees in the northern Champlain Valley of Vermont and New York, along the Canada Border. I use pollen substitute on some colonies, and feed HFCS in the fall if a colony needs more stores to make it through to Dandelion bloom. I raise my own queens, but years ago, they were a mix of Buckfast and Carniolan. Mike St. Albans, Vermont > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! > >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >-- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 9/3/2004 --=======216326CF=======-- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:43:40 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Dieter_Sch=FCrer?= Subject: AW: [BEE-L] Apistan tabs in queen cages In-Reply-To: <000701c49ca1$22af5480$15352fca@queenbee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recommend not using Apistan Tabs at all. In Switzerland as well as in other European countries Varroa mites are to a great extent immune to Apistan and the stuff therefore does not help in any way, apart from beiing accumulated in the hives. regards dieter schuerer :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:24:10 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Medhat Nasr, Ph. D." Subject: Re: Apistan tabs in queen cages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Trevor asked: Has anyone on the list had any first hand experience with using or receiving queen bees in cages that have Apistan tabs in them? Answer: My experience that Apistan tabs could effect the queen introduction acceptance and performance. The extent of this effect could vary based on the length of exposure to the Apistan. There is a publication by Rob Currie in American Bee Journal on this subject. You can contact Rob at: Rob_Currie@UMANITOBA.CA for a copy of the paper. The best options for reducing risk of transfer of mites via queens: 1. Ship queen cells from colonies treated with Apistan. the probability of finding mites in queen cells is very low (1:1000), unless the cell builder is heavily infested. 2. Harvest queens from treated colonies or nucs. 3. Treat queen banks In all cases, it is advisable to check attendant bees and queens for mites. medhat Medhat Nasr, Ph. D. Provincial Apiculturist Crop Diversification Centre North 17507 Fort Road Edmonton, AB, Canada T5Y 6H3 Tel: (780) 415-2314 Fax: (780) 422-6096 Mailto:medhat.nasr@gov.ab.ca :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:01:38 -0400 Reply-To: jfischer@supercollider.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Organization: Bedford Advanced Technology Test Lab Effort Subject: Hurricane Ivan 0, 15-Hive Yard, 15 The much-less scary remnants of hurricane Ivan wandered through central and western Virginia today, but I am happy to report that we saw this one coming, and all hives in the 15-hive yard that took a "direct hit" from a small tornado survived without a scratch. A small few trees were uprooted, but not even a single outer cover was blown off. Given that it was cloudy and rainy all day, we may have not lost even a single bee. The secret ingredients were ratchet straps on the tallest hives and ropes on the shorter hives running between stakes on either side of each hive. The punch line is that the Weather Channel, after upgrading the Tornado Watches to Tornado Warnings, and the Flood Watches to Flood Warnings this afternoon, played the 1960s tune "Cast Your Fate To The Winds" as the background music for their every-10 minute local weather report. ...somebody at the Weather Channel has a VERY twisted sense of humor. jim :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::