From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 08:46:15 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-86.7 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E17449026 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SDbKlN012089 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:19 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0412E" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 17817 Lines: 435 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:49:36 +1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: M & T Weatherhead Subject: Re: OA and exposed brood In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > But we have one bee that overlives the workes, it is the queen. > Although the officials say, it does not harm the queen too much, I > am not so sure. Many friends here in Switzerland in my region are > telling stories of hives that suddenly died in the second year > (after the second OA treatment). There is unfortunately no > scientific evidence or research of this. Could part of your management be to requeen the hive in the spring after the OA treatment? Not sure how often you requeen in Switzerland but this could be a solution. It would mean, that the queen you introduce would have to come from a hive that did not have OA treatment during that queen's life. Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.824 / Virus Database: 562 - Release Date: 28/12/04 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 06:47:51 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: CSlade777@AOL.COM Subject: Re: OA and exposed brood MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 29/12/2004 05:07:45 GMT Standard Time, LISTSERV@listserv.albany.edu writes: > As the vapor > method can be done up to a > minimum temperature of approx 5 degrees centigrade, it is recommended for a > treatment in November or > early December when there is no brood. > > This presumes that there is, in fact, such a broodless period. Every apiary > I visited at this time (but not every hive) contained brood. I am at about > 52N with the apiaries at various altitudes from about 50 feet ASL to 600 feet. > > Chris :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 06:59:52 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Belinda T. Banner" Subject: top feeder hello, i am just starting out, and recieved my begginers kit a few days ago. the instructions could be a little better, but here is my question. the kit included a styraphome top feeder. how does this work??? how do you set it up. i know that the bees can squeeze through small spaces but can not for the life of me see how this could possibley work. any info would be greatly appreciated. right now the one and only local bee keeper is on vacation. thank you belinda :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:51:53 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Dieter_Sch=FCrer?= Subject: AW: [BEE-L] OA and exposed brood In-Reply-To: <000201c4ed7a$f244ba80$5562443d@queenbee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Trevor Requeening could be a solution to this problem. But as you say, where do you get the queens from? They are not to have been treated with OA but this means, that you still have hives (even if it's only small ones) that you are not allowed to treat with OA. It will make the operation just more difficult and more expensive in my view. Dieter Schuerer, Switzerland :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:57:46 -0500 Reply-To: lloyd@rossrounds.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Styrofoam Feeders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "the kit included a styrofoam top feeder. how does this work??? how do you set it up." You purchased one of the best feeders available. Put it on top of the hive, below the inner cover. The bees will walk up the wide space on one end, walk down between the styro and the clear plastic insert, and insert their tongues into the syrup that will flow into the compartment. Since they can't directly access the syrup in the main section, there is little to no drowning! Good luck, Lloyd Lloyd Spear, Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacturer of Ross Rounds Section Comb equipment, Sundance Pollen Traps and Sundance Custom Labels. www.RossRounds.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:50:25 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: AW: [BEE-L] OA and exposed brood In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E3E2539; boundary="=======2DDF4CED=======" --=======2DDF4CED======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E3E2539; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Requeening could be a solution to this problem. But as you say, where >do you get the queens from? They are not to have been treated with OA but > Dieter Schuerer, Switzerland Overwintering nucleus colonies could be your source of queens for requeening. They seem to tolerate varroa better than production colonies, and need no treatments that first year. The queens in these nucs could be raised from production queens with the lowest daily mite drop, and the best production records, etc. Mike --=======2DDF4CED=======-- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:51:01 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: OA and Tracheal Mites. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Having heard that oxalic acid effectively kills varroa, I am wondering if it effectively kills tracheal mites as well. Does anyone know? I've only heard of formic acid being effective with both mites. Best regards, Waldemar Long Island, NY :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:51:58 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: john i Subject: [Fwd: [BEE-L] Varroa and allogrooming] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit john i wrote: > Hi, > Who has the best most resistant hygienic bee? > thanks, happy holidays, > John Ingle > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:49:19 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: [Fwd: [BEE-L] Varroa and allogrooming] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit john i wrote: > Who has the best most resistant hygienic bee? In my opinion purvisbrothersbees.com Bob :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:58:50 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: AW: [BEE-L] OA and exposed brood MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dieter asks: But as you say, where do you get the queens from? Kona Queen in Hawaii has queens for sale all year. Being the only place I am aware of free of varroa none of his hives receive varroa treatment. 808-328-9016 Gus Rouse owner . We have been happy with queens from Kona and the service. Bob :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:59:54 -0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Thermocouple arrays MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All I have had a look in the archives, but could not find the work concerned. Can anyone point me at the overwintering of hives that had large numbers of embedded thermocouples covering the hive volume. Regards and Best 73s, Dave Cushman G8MZY http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman or http://www.dave-cushman.net 'Fall Back', build 4.6 (almost stable) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:03:51 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?Windows-1252?B?S29tcHBhLVNlcHDkbOQ=?= Subject: Vs: Re: [BEE-L] AW: [BEE-L] OA and exposed brood MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, it could be that it is not that easy for Dieter. Switzerland goes along on most veterinary rules with EU. ( but I don't know for sure in this case). USA can not leagally export bees/ queens to EU because AFB, SHB and Tropilapsis are not all officially notifiable deseases. That means that beekeepers are leagally forced to notify veterinary officials if they suspect one of these three in their hives. EU beekeepers are under this rule. Ari Seppälä Finland > Dieter asks: > But as you say, where do you get the queens from? > > Kona Queen in Hawaii > Bob :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:22:36 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Dieter_Sch=FCrer?= Subject: OA and exposed brood In-Reply-To: <003d01c4ee5f$3f372960$8b24d5d4@pomi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Ari Seppälä is right. Swiss authorities would not allow any import of bees from the USA. I doubt whether there would be an exclusion for Hawaii. But on the other hand, as I did explain, I myself do not want to use OA at all. I will try to work as organic as possible and therefore have chosen to switch to small cells. regards, dieter :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:12:17 +1300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike & Tina Subject: Varroa free zones In-Reply-To: <200412300504.iBU4BFVl019043@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Kona Queen in Hawaii has queens for sale all year. Being the only > place I am > aware of free of varroa none of his hives receive varroa treatment. The South Island of New Zealand is still varroa free, thankfully, although for how long is anybody's guess. Mike :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:32:17 +1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: M & T Weatherhead Subject: Re: Varroa free zones In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't forget that Australia is still free of Varroa destructor, Tropilaelaps and tracheal mites. Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.825 / Virus Database: 563 - Release Date: 30/12/04 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:30:42 -0500 Reply-To: lloyd@rossrounds.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Almond pollination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just told by a customer in Idaho that he signed a 2005 pollination contract at $100 a hive! Any confirmation of that? I wonder what that will mean to East Coast pollination, where the going migratory rate for apples has been stuck at $35 for as many years as I can remember, and Maine blueberries have been going at $45-$50? Lloyd Lloyd Spear, Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. 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