From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 09:37:12 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-87.0 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81886489AA for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SEVNiw013404 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:35:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:35:36 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0504D" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 91766 Lines: 2127 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:01:20 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Balson Subject: Observation hive for classrooms I would like to make or purchase an ob hive to be able to take to classrooms and educational functions. I have raised bees for about 5 years. Is it possible to simply borrow a few frames of bees and brood to put in the ob hive and then return it after the class session? Will this work...or will it kill the bees? I am thinking that I would probably need to do this no more than once or twice a month spring through fall. I live in New England. Any suggestions or advice? Is there any recommended material for teaching that is age related ( for K-3; 4-6, 7-9, 10-12th grade )? Thanks, Bill :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:21:18 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: NBC beekeeping industry story MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, Does the list know if the beekeeping story aired last night? I left early in the evening to remove a truck load of hives from apple pollination and did not return until 1 am. When I ran the tape all I had was the weather as we had a tornado warning going on at the time the program would have aired in our area. Bob :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:06:18 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: davidbrowder Subject: Re: NBC beekeeping industry story MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Not as slow a news day as we thought. I haven't seen it yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Harrison" To: Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [BEE-L] NBC beekeeping industry story > Hello All, > Does the list know if the beekeeping story aired last night? I left early in > the> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:55:59 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: John Howe Subject: Observation hive for classrooms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Howe" To: "Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology" Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Observation hive for classrooms > Yes, it's possible to borrow a few frames and bring in an observationhive > for a brief stay. Just keep them out of the sunlight or they'll fry. > Betterbee makes an inexpensive obs. hive with a Boardman feeder which > holds two deeps. I like to do a presentation in the morning then leave > trhe hive for all day in the classroom and pick it up the next dayt so > kids can get a more prolonged look. I supply a set of inexpensive > magnifying glasses. I also leave books and videos for the day. > As for materials, in no particular order: > Try the video "Tales from the Hive" at > http://shop.wgbh.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=11866&storeId=11051&catalogId=10051&langId=-1. > It's for grade 4 and up. Another video is "The Honey Files: A Bee's Life" > which comes with a teacher's guide (grades 4-6)and activities and > worksheets. And the study posters from Dadant are good.for all ages. I > have gotten tons of kid's books books from Amazon just searching around > and from ads in ABJ and Bee Culture mag. "The Magic School Bus: Inside a > Beehive" from Scholastic Press is imaginative and informative (3rd grade > to 6th) "The Beeman" by Laurie Krebs is a good book about the craft (art?) > of beekeeping.or "Hooray for Beekeeping!", A Bobbie Kalman book (Crabtree > Publ. Co.) ""Clan Apis" is in comic book format and especially good for > older kids and teens. http://www.jayhosler.com/clanapis.html For little > kids pre-school -1st "Honeybee's Busy Day" by Richard Fowler is > interactive with a cardboard "bee" that you manipulate through the book. > My 5 year-old goddaughter adores it. Also for pre-school to grade 1 is > "Busy buzzy bee" by Karen Wallace (DK Eyewitness Readers). Lots more if > you email me privately. But that's the best of the bunch. > > Regards and Good Luck, > John Howe > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:06:02 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Scot Mc Pherson Subject: Re: Observation hive for classrooms In-Reply-To: <200504222235.j3MMLsGq007373@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>>>>Is it possible to simply borrow a few frames of bees and brood to put in the ob hive and then return it after the class session? Will this work...or will it kill the bees? <<<<<<<<<< That is the way most people use observation for education sessions. They borrow brood combs and bees from a colony and return it a day or two later. It should be just fine. You want to provide an exit if possible, but in your situation that is most often not possible, and therefore you want to provide adequate ventilation so the bees can regulate the temp and not be regulated by it. Scot Mc Pherson :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:41:44 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Harold Rogers Subject: queen rearing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am asking the people of Bee-L for information on queen raising without the use of grafting. I have asked a couple already thier ideas, and would like to see the easiest and best way to raise a few queens to expand my bee population. I will appreciate any and all information Thanks to all. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:59:19 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: queen rearing without grafting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Haroldbeeman@AOL.COM asked "for information on queen raising without the use of grafting." Some may answer "Walk-away Splits", but I opine the best anser to this question will be found in C.C. Miller's _50_Years_Among_the_Bees_ . The Miller Method of raising bees involved giving the bees an almost empty frame with two points of foundation attached to the top bar. The points are attached approximately 2/5 and 4/5 on the top bar. Given to the bees, they will start working these points, and the queen will eventually lay eggs the drawn cells. When the queen has laid in the cells, but before the points get fully drawn to be attached to the bottom bar, the beekeeper removes this frame, and cuts all the eggs from the bottom of the combs (the points will now have been drawn into two semi-circles of comb). Cutting out the eggs, leaves the first hatched larvae on the edge of the semi circles, which are the ideal age from which to raise queens. Given to a queenless cell builder, the bees will build anywhere from 7 to 15 (give or take) beautiful queen cells at the edges of the comb. These cells can be harvested and given to mating nuclei. This is a cursory description of Miller's method. I recommend reading his book for the whole process. Writtrn in 1915, it is not an easy book to find. Fortunately, it was one of the first ten digitized at "The Hive and the Honeybee" project at the Mann Library at Cornell University. _50_Years..._ and can be viewed online at: http://bees.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=bees;idno=5017631 The section on queen rearing starts on page 234. The Phillips' Beekeeping Collection at Cornell's Albert R. Mann Library is one of the largest and most complete apiculture libraries in the world. The Hive and the Honey Bee grew out of a presentation on the Phillips collection at the 2002 Eastern Apiculture Society conference and is something of a digital child of that print collection. At present, it consists of the full text of ten rare books from the Phillips Collection, and each book is fully searchable. For more information on The Hive and the Honey Bee and the Phillips Collection, please see our about page. Aaron Morris - thinking donations for "the Hive and the Honeybee"! http://www.easternapiculture.org/programs/phillips.pdf :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:08:50 +0200 Reply-To: Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jorn Johanesson Subject: Re: queen rearing In-Reply-To: <19f.3256a4d2.2f9b8e78@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I am asking the people of Bee-L for information on queen raising > without the > use of grafting. place a build out comb in the brood of the best of your hives. after a few days Make a very strong nuck without queen! take the frame with fresh laid eggs an larvae. make with a sharp knife a dropping bow cut through the area with new brood not older than three days. remove the comb below the bow cut! Thin out the cells at the edge on one side of the bovcut then remove the cells at the other side. Place it in the strong nuck! handle the cells as if you have grafted. I normally get 5 to 8 queen cells this way. Best regards Jorn Johanesson maybe the best and Only Multilingual software for beekeeping on the net. With integrated update facility. Version 8.0.3.0 now translated into 12 languages with more to come. hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk forum = http://www.apimo.dk/apimo_forum/ e-mail apimo@apimo.dk :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 07:38:59 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: johnnynkristin Subject: Packaging Honey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello, I am in the planning stage of building a new honey packing facility. I have a permit from the Health Dept. but the person I am working with knows nothing about bees or honey. The inspector is trying to inspect my entire operation and does not asked me to change things anywhere from the syrup tank (doesn't like that it is outside the building and has taken samples from my syrup), feeding pollen outside in the open, empty bee boxes in the yard etc. Does anyone know where I can get information to show that these things are common practice in beekeeping? I live in Northwest Arizona and can't find any information on the rules and regulations for packing honey in AZ. The health inspector does not understand that keeping bees and honey packing will be two separate operations. Please help!!! Johnny Cox :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:13:16 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Stephen Morris Subject: Re: Observation hive for classrooms Comments: To: Scot Mc Pherson How about including a marked Queen in the frames moved to the observation hive? Everyone seems to be be very interested in identifying the queen when looking at an observation hive. How will the main hive that the frames were removed from react to being queenless for 2 days? :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:04:28 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: MattAllan@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Observation hive for classrooms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For a number of years I ran a project called Bees -the Experience which toured schools in the south of England with a fairly dramatic show which involved everyone from the youngest child to the headteacher and parents. It was a laugh with a serious purpose, in that I wanted to indicate the importance of bees to everyone. The climax of the show was my remote-controlled sunflower which grew from a seed to 6ft tall in a few seconds. That was a riot. Over the years I developed the best observation hive for my purpose. It had to be:- a) safe b) easy to operate c) easy to observe d) give realistic conditions e) not stress the bees. This was my solution. Make a nucleus hive big enough to take 5 frames. It has an entrance which can be securely closed, and I mean secure. The floor is thoroughly ventilated and there are some low side ventilation holes as well. Make a deeper than usual space below the frames. Establish a small colony in the nucleus hive and keep it in an accessible place. Manage the small colony to keep it a moderate size by removing brood if necessary. Make a single-frame observation hive but mount it on a base as broad as the nucleus hive. There are several 25mm dia holes in the base below the frame; these are covered with queen excluder. Make a secondary layer of perspex or plexiglass outside the glazing, to protect the glass. Fix good carrying handles. When you are ready to take the hive to a class, choose the frame which demonstrates what you want to show. Put the queen on it. Put that frame in the observation portion. Put a frame feeder with liquid feed in the nucleus box in place of the frame you have taken out. Fit the observation portion on top of the nucleus box. Use fixings that curious fingers cannot tamper with! So you now have the situation where you have brood and the queen in the observation portion. However, any worker can retreat below whenever she feels like it. Down below it is dark, there is brood, ventilation and liquid feed. Nurse bees will go up into the observation area to feed the brood and carry out housekeeping duties, then return below. There is very little of the panic you frequently get with say a normal three-frame observation hive. Because there is only one frame exposed, it is easy to direct the attention of the participants. The queen behaves calmly, laying continuously. You can show many of the patterns of behaviour that you cannot when the colony is rushing around. Other advantages? It is stable, so you can put it in the back of the car without having to prop it up or strap it to supports. Children cannot knock it over, so you can concentrate on the important work. The bees can be kept closed in for several days without any harm. Alternatively you can drop it off at home and open the entrance - the colony can operate like that for several days happily. When you are finished, remove the observation portion, and put the observation frame plus queen back in the nucleus. Easy. I hope this is useful - any queries? Regards Matthew Allan :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:19:55 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Observation hive for classrooms MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Stephen Morris" wrote: > How about including a marked Queen in the frames moved to the observation > hive? Pick frames containing brood in all stages, pollen, sealed and unsealed honey, queen cups if you can find some. If the hive will be kept closed then you need to make sure that there are only young bees in it, as older ones will be frantically trying to get out. Put in drones as well if you have any (depending on the time of year). I can also be fun to take some drones in a jar so that children can handle them - can create great excitement. I take the observation hive to the apiary and fill it, then leave it open for 10 minutes so that the older bees fly back to the hive; then check that there are sufficient bees left, but you do not want it to be too well stocked or you will not be able to see the combs! Also good to take an empty frame and one filled with honey so that they can feel the weight of each, plus wild comb, propolis, queens cells etc. Veils and a smoker are also favourites! I also do handouts about all the things that can be seen in hive (if anyone wants a copy I will email it). Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:59:06 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike Brumfield Subject: Feeding caged queen and attendants? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just picked up a queen today to put in a nuc but the weather got cold (43 deg f). Anyway I might have to keep her a couple days. Should I try to brush some syrup on the queen cage as you do with package bees or just let them have the candy plug? Thanks for any suggestions. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:41:43 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Packaging Honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Johnny & All, >I am in the planning stage of building a new honey packing facility. It is far easier to work with the health department than to tear up a concrete floor etc. at a later date. Has been done. A commercial beekeeper decided about fifteen years ago to write about his honey house construction in the American Bee Journal. Mears I believe was his last name if my memory serves me correctly. In I believe about the third part of his article a section of the floor was tore out and redone. you have to jump through health department hoops. They can and will shut you down. >I have a permit from the Health Dept. but the person I am working with knows nothing about bees or honey. Take a deep breath and relax. You apparently live in a rural county and are the first beekeeper they have inspected. Although you are inspected by the county inspector you can ask for the state to oversee the inspection process. Then you will get the county inspectors boss. He will be *tougher* but will have expierience in honey house inspection. We went through a similar case when we relocated two beekeeping operations into our county of Missouri but the state head of Missouri inspections only attended the first inspection. >The inspector is trying to inspect my entire operation and does not asked me to change things anywhere from the syrup tank (doesn't like that it is outside the building and has taken samples from my syrup), feeding pollen outside in the open, empty bee boxes in the yard etc. Never heard of such a problem. Most inspections of larger operations are divided into two areas. 1. inspection of the crude extracting area. They are often not as hard on this area. 2. If you bottle honey area. They are very critical of this area. Must meet restaurant standards. All areas ajoining the above areas must be free of filth and places rodents and insects can hide. They are very critical on this point! >Does anyone know where I can get information to show that these things are common practice in beekeeping? The American Beekeeping Federation can fax or email a set of U.S. guidelines which are excellent guidelines. info@ABFnet.org or contact Troy Fore at troyfore@ABFnet.org I have listed below several commercial beekeepers in Arizona which might be of help. Crockett Honey Co. in Tempe is the largest commercial beekeeper now I believe in Arizona www.crocketthoney.com The Robson brothers (Mike & Raymond) if still in business are in Phoenix. Jim Smith is in Yuma if still in business. >I live in Northwest Arizona and can't find any information on the rules and regulations for packing honey in AZ. The state inspector is head of county inspectors and should be able to help. I am sure your county inspector is not going to be happy you are going over his head but sounds like the solution to your problems. Take a deep breath again. try to get along and the process will go easier! >The health inspector does not understand that keeping bees and honey packing will be two separate operations. Please help!!! If you are doing the whole operation out of the same area then they are not seperate! Arizona might have different rules but my gut feeling is the inspector is looking deeper than is required. He can look at septic , water into and out of the area and if you use your house for a restroom your house restroom can be inspected. If you hire employees then even stricter rules apply. We have always been told that if county regulations for honey processing areas are not in print then state regulations apply. If state regulations are not in print then federal regulations apply. I assure you federal guidelines exist and they are similar to the guidelines published for ABF members. I believe Arizona state honey processing regulations are in print but it is not unusual for counties not to have county honey processing regulations in print. No county honey processing regulations are in print for our county in Missouri. You will also need to get used to the inspector *always* finding something to write up on his inspection. The harder you try for the perfect inspection the harder the inspector will try to find small problems. The reason is if the inspector simply turns in inspection slips to the state without a writeup the state inspector wonders if he is doing his inspections! My last inspection said the paper towels were too far from the hand washing sink. A friend said his last inspection said the inspector did not like the way his storage shelves were arranged in a back room ajoining his processing area. Do not take those kind of writeups personal. NOT A BIG DEAL! Getting on the bad side of your health inspector is like getting on the bad side of your auto inspector in Missouri. The auto inspector in Missouri can if he sees fit turn your auto down for 144 different reasons. With an auto inspection you can simply go to a different inspection station and pay another fee and perhaps get an inspection if the inspector does not catch the problem With a health inspection you are tied to the county inspector! He has the power to shut you down! My advice is to not bull up but change your attitude and try to get along. I saw it cost a friend close to 10,000 dollars in repairs to satisfy a health inspector he got off on the wrong foot with. I may not be saying what you want to hear but what you need to hear and understand! Your friend, Bob Harrison Ps. I almost sent to you direct but felt others on the list might benefit from the information Johnny. Hope you do not mind! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:20:36 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Re: Packaging Honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> The inspector is trying to inspect my entire operation... >> ...change things anywhere from the syrup tank (doesn't like that >> it is outside the building and has taken samples from my syrup), >> feeding pollen outside in the open, empty bee boxes in the yard etc. >> Does anyone know where I can get information to show that these >> things are common practice in beekeeping? >> The health inspector does not understand that keeping bees and honey > packing will be two separate operations. Please help!!! Bob has covered this well. I'd like to add to that the observation that the times are a changin' and that many common practices that used to be acceptable -- and are still widely practised and even advocated -- are no longer justifiable, given what we now know about residues, bacteria, etc.. Moreover, keeping bees and handling and packing the honey they produce are less and less considered to be activities that can be deemed to be totally isolated from one another. Increasingly, they are considered links in the same chain, and the perception is that failure in any one link can be considered to be failure of the entire chain. With today's food safety consciousness, every activity from the flower to the store shelf is being placed under scrutiny and control, and the responsibility is placed either on inspection authorities directly, or on the producer, who must document preventative and corrective measures taken to prevent contamination or adulteration and be subjected to audit. Anyone entering the beekeeping or honey packing business or making changes to existing facilities would be wise to understand this, and to look a decade ahead in order to proactively comply with present and future requirements. Otherwise, as Bob says, one may find himself tearing up a new concrete floor, recladding and new wall, redesigning the storage areas, or even having to move the facility to a more appropriate location. As far as I know, there is no co-ordinated US effort to set up honey house and product standards, but many, if not most other countries, especially exporting countries, are hastening to get their houses in order and to meet and exceed both current and anticipated standards set by international bodies and by importers. Australia and new Zealand have been leaders in this effort and Canada is well along the road to establishing a system to ensure compliance. There is plenty of good information on the web. I suspect that the Canadian Honey Council has some info on the Canadian effort on their site at www.honeycouncil.ca, and maybe list members will provide some other links. The bottom line is that fighting the system won't work. As they say, the future is coming, so either lead, follow or get out of the way. This is probably not what people want to hear, but I hope this helps. allen A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:58:57 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dan & Jan Subject: Re: trachea mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How does one fumigate Amitraz? Dan Veilleux Boone area In the Mountains of NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:10:16 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: johnnynkristin Subject: Packaging Honey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks to all of you for the help. All very good advice. This last week has been a very frustrating one. I do not have a problem with doing all the things required to set my business up right. The problem is I don't know what they (Health Dept.) are wanting and neither do they. I will keep doing my homework. If anyone has input please feel free to contact me. Johnny Cox :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:20:42 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: trachea mites In-Reply-To: <00c401c548f7$4cb1f460$8724d044@ownerzq0yukl00> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dan I am not sure whether the process or the chemical are allowed in your area, but the method of fumigation using Amitraz is given on the page... http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/taktivar.html and there is other information on three pages that are linked from it. Although the data sheet lists it as an acaricide, it does not list Tracheal mite among the species that it is intended for. Regards & Best 73s, Dave Cushman, G8MZY http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman or http://www.dave-cushman.net Fall Back M/c, Build 5.02 (stable) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:28:50 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tom Martin Subject: Honey bee genetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to all If a queen is genetically modified for resistance to diseases (mites etc.), would the patent on the queen apply to a captured swarm? Specifically to a queen raised from a captured swarm? Also how would it work if the modified gene was carried with the drone? Would a person be obligated to pay a license fee for such a scenario? Tom Martin :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:15:34 -0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Eunice Wonnacott Subject: Re: Honey bee genetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A related question would be what if one finds a swarm without knowing its ownership nor heritage? Would collecting this swarm breach any contract, or have these bees actually freed themselves from contracts?? EDW > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:25:44 -0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Eunice Wonnacott Subject: Re: Feeding caged queen and attendants? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Past experience for me has been that queens in cages, and attendants, do very well for at least five days, if kept in the dark, well ventilated and at a suitable temperature. A couple of drops of water daily , directly on the sugar included in the package for feeding, does the trick. be careful of the purity and temperature of the water, of course. EDW > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:07:37 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Curtis Crowell Subject: Re: Feeding caged queen and attendants? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A beekeeper from back in the 1950's who is still busy told me that I could wet my finger with "warm, not hot" water, press it gently against the screen on the queen cage, and the bees will drink it up. It worked - in the sense that the bees took it, and in fact went after it when offered. I only "watered" them once or twice like this over a day during a time when we still had the heat on at night (inside) so the air was kind of dry. Our water is "city water". It's a bad idea to "anthropomorphize" the bees (thanks George Imrie) but having watched bees "drink" from the wet surface of concrete around a pool (even worse water, I think, than from my tap) I think the bees might prefer their water "straight up" as opposed to drawing it up from the wet sugar at the end of the bee cage. Plus it's fun to "water" then this way, and kids like to do it too. /C.Crowell Hightstown, NJ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:52:14 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: GImasterBK@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Feeding caged queen and attendants? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How NICE you are to mention me! ALL should know that word "anthropomorphic." Bees can live very comfortably, AND A LOT LONGER, when kept at LOW temperatures, like 45°-50° and in the DARK, just like a November day. Given 1-2 small drops of water each day, the attendants will dissolve a bit of cage candy and FEED the queen. After several days, and it stops raining and gets warm, like 70°, install that cage in your split or nuc, and all will be fine. After all, some BANKED queens are kept for 30 days before being released to you. I HATE banked queens; so when I about to requeen every late August or Sept. 1st, I order those queens in late May or early June, AND PAY IN FULL FOR THEM, and state VERY STRONGLY: NO BANKED QUEENS or I will find another queen supplier. I get WONDERFUL, EXTREMELY WELL MATED QUEENS, and DELIVERED ON THE EXACT DAY I ASKED FOR. You apparently know that I REQUEEN EVERY COLONY EVERY YEAR, and hence never have a queen older than 13 months. Results, STRENGTH of colony in April and May, rarely a swarm, because that young queen has so much pheromone to pass around that inhibits swarming. As always - SAID TOO MUCH. George Imirie :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:00:56 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Bio- Diesel and honey In-Reply-To: <042520052007.3646.426D4E08000AFBC300000E3E216028130299019D0C9C079B9D9A0C@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is an increased talk amongst politicians, general public and others about increasing the levels of production of Bio-Diesel. What are the thoughts on this, as honey production and the associated export markets may be influenced? Would it lead to more Canola honey being presented to the market! Will other honeys appear? Will countries that are at present net importers of honey start to reduce their deficiencies? This topic I suggest should be occupying the minds of most commercial beekeepers. Regards, Peter :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:21:47 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Bio- Diesel and honey In-Reply-To: <426D76A8.8030702@mts.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Dillon wrote: > There is an increased talk amongst politicians, general public and > others about increasing the levels of > production of Bio-Diesel. > > What are the thoughts on this, as honey production and the associated > export markets may be influenced? I would guess there might be a 10-20% increase in its use if those who want it are willing to pay a premium. Sort of like organic produce. It costs more but you feel good when you buy it. I have owned diesels since 1976. Biodiesel has always been a niche product. Most of the real enthusiasts make their own from waste oil (think fast food, the exhaust smells like french fries), so it is cheap. Commercial Biodiesel, to be competitive, will have to be subsidized, but nothing new here since ethanol is in that category. If you start making it in bulk, prices may drop as long as you can keep the price of the source down, which is unlikely. Peter is in Canada which has a good diesel market. There is going to have to be a strong education program in the US about automobile diesels. They are common most everywhere else in the world, but in the US are considered dirty polluters and are not allowed to be sold in California and any other states that follow Cal's lead (like Maine). All this in spite of the fact that in most categories they pollute less. So, first there has to be a market for Biodiesel. As far as excess honey on the market, I doubt if 10-20% more canola honey will have much of an impact. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:22:54 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Herv=E9=20Log=E9?= Subject: Re: Bio- Diesel and honey In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > There is an increased talk amongst politicians, > general public and others about increasing the > levels of > production of Bio-Diesel. [...] > Would it lead to more Canola honey being presented > to the market! I have no idea about bio-diesel production impact on honey crops but this post makes me wonder why there is no canola honey on groceries shelves. Is it sold under label "creamy clover honey" ? Hervé __________________________________________________________________ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:59:24 -0500 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlos_Fern=E1ndez_Campos?= Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlos_Fern=E1ndez_Campos?= Subject: canola honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As far as excess honey on the market, I doubt if 10-20% more canola > honey will have much of an impact. Hi people, I dont undertand to much english or that canola honey is not, what "canola" supouse to mean? regards Juan carlos. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:43:22 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: canola honey In-Reply-To: <000a01c54a81$4cfca6f0$0614a8c0@fcf.camaguey.cu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Juan Carlos Fernández Campos wrote: > Hi people, I dont undertand to much english or that canola honey is not, > >what "canola" supouse to mean? > > Was rapeseed, which had too much baggage, so Rapeseed oil became Canadian Oil, which was shortened to Canola. This link gives the history and a lot more. http://www.crbtrader.com/fund/articles/canola.asp I have no idea what the market is for canola honey and look forward to the answer since one frequent post is the question on how to get it out of the combs since it granulates so quickly. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:36:52 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Bio- Diesel and honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bill Truesdell" > Most of the real enthusiasts make their own from waste oil > (think fast food, the exhaust smells like french fries), so it is cheap. Note that in the UK you can only do this if you pay the appropriate excise duty. Many were caught recently by Customs and Excise! Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:02:16 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Bio- Diesel and honey In-Reply-To: <007201c54aa8$34d89ee0$41294754@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Edwards wrote: > Note that in the UK you can only do this if you pay the appropriate excise > >duty. Many were caught recently by Customs and Excise! > > Same here. The biodiesel movement is a lot like the organic movement, started in backyards and grew to the point that gov took interest. Now you have loads of gov organic regs and biodiesel taxes. Plus, big ag got involved in the organic movemnet and big oil is subverting the biodiesel movement by making pure biodiesel taxed at a higher rate than a blend. You in GB are just a bit further along in enforcement. http://www.biofuels.coop/blog/archives/000171.html Back on topic. Good post by Allen way back about canola honey and pollination. http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9905B&L=bee-l&P=R238 All I have seen so far uses canola as a blend for consumer use. Lots of use for mead. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:02:10 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dan & Jan Subject: Re: canola honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rape has eriocic acid (*spelling) that is toxic to mammals and makes it unacceptable to food use but perfect for industrial use.. The Canadians bred out this acid making it OK for food use and in order to distinguish it from rape and as a marketing tool named it canola = Canadian oil Dan Veilleux Boone area In the Mountains of NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:06:04 -0400 Reply-To: Lloyd Spear Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Canola Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmm...Europeans have been growing rape for what seems like 'forever', and AFAIK it was only for human consumption. In the mid-60's I recall seeing what appeared as endless fields in bloom and being told it was rape and it was made into cooking oil, margarine, etc. I observed those same fields for the next 25 years, always planted with the same crop and it probably continues today. I guess the word does not translate directly into the English word we use for other purposes. But...my understanding was that rape as grown in Europe was sowed in the fall and harvested in early summer. With their mild winters that was feasible. My understanding was that corn/sunflowers were not feasible as a source for oil (as it is in the US and Canada) because of their lack of hot weather. However, rape oil has some advantages compared to corn/sunflower and eventually someone developed varities that (1) could be overwintered in our colder climates and (2) could be planted in the spring and harvested the same year. I understand that most planted in the US and Canada is of the spring sown varities. I have also heard before of the derivation of the Canola 'label' . What I never heard before was that rape WAS NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. Is this one of the "bumble bee not being able to fly" fables? Did someone forget to tell Europeans, or did I get the story totally wrong? If so, what was the purpose of those endless fields? -- Lloyd Spear Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacture of equipment for round comb honey sections, Sundance Pollen Traps, and producer of Sundance custom labels. Contact your dealer or www.RossRounds.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:47:29 -0500 Reply-To: gmaguet@mts.net Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gilles Subject: Re: Bio- Diesel and honey In-Reply-To: <20050426132254.88917.qmail@web20822.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding the lack of a label for Canola honey on the store shelves, I am equally curious about this. Honey that is labelled as Clover will probably sell better but I would speculate that most of that clover honey is blended with canola honey. Most of the honey we (in Manitoba) see on the shelf is simply labelled as Pure Honey: CANADA NO; 1 WHITE, ( only the grade) which unfortunately misleads the canadian consumers into thinking this product is 100% canadian honey when in fact it often is a blend of canadian and foreign honey or not canadian at all. A great share of the honey produced in the three prairie provinces is derived from the canola crops. Last year, I would say close to 95% of my crop came from canola. A lot of the creamed honey we see on the shelf is likely to contain canola honey. I have no customers who complain about buying my honey which creams itself naturally, no processing whatsover, just poured in a new container after settling for a day in the storage tank. Most can't believe how good it tastes and that's because its raw, unfiltered honey. Its too bad there isn't more of this product on the shelf. The consumers don't know what they are missing. Instead they are buying a product that is heated,blended, filtered, pasteurized, and this is what the consumer is led to believe pure honey should taste like. Its no wonder that the standard "indoctrinated" nutritionist will claim that honey has no greater health merits than do refined sweeteners. Biodiesel is a terrific energy option. We need to get more smaller cars with diesel engines in north america, the europeans understand this, why haven't our auto manufacturers chose this option? There are many european models with diesel engines that are simply not available in north america. Why is this? The only one I am aware of is the VW jetta or passatt that get about 65 miles to the gallon. There is a biodiesel manufacturing plant being built in either South Dakota or North Dakota. This company had tried to set up in Saskatchewan but something fell though at a political level, most likely on account of subsidies, so they moved their plans south. More biodiesel consumed will likely provide more markets for canola which is a good thing I think. Gilles :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:38:27 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Hayes, Jerry" Subject: NBC Nightly News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just received a call from the NBC Producer who did the Honey Bee piece and it is scheduled for tonight on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams. Cross your fingers that we don't get bumped again. Jerry =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 G. W. Hayes, Jr. Assistant Chief Bureau of Plant and Apiary Inspection Apiary Inspection Section Division of Plant Industry P O Bx 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 (352) 372-3505 ext 128 (352) 334-0715 FAX =20 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:35:21 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chuck Norton Subject: Re: queen rearing without grafting Kudos to Aaron for his suggestion; an additional source for "The Miller Method" developed by Dr. C. C. Miller in 1912 and other methods such as the Alley Method, and The Smith Method can be found in "Queen Rearing and Bee Breeding" by Harry H. Laidlaw, Jr. and Robert E Page which is available at some of the bee supply/catalog companies. Cheers, Chuck Norton Norton's Nut & Honey Farm Reidsville, NC 27320 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:57:45 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Herv=E9=20Log=E9?= Subject: Canola honey labelling In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Regarding the lack of a label for Canola honey on > the store shelves, I > am equally curious about this. [...] > Most of the honey we (in Manitoba) > see on the shelf is simply labelled as Pure Honey: > CANADA NO; 1 WHITE, > ( only the grade) which unfortunately misleads the > canadian consumers I so agree. Those requirements are absolutely useless for consumers and our labelling policy completely miss the current market battle. Those "information" just indicate this honey should be eatble as per Canada no1 (or noX) standards. That is the reason why so many people think honey is a generic product, all honeys beeing more or less equivalent, and that their quality is dependent on their color. Thus a white Chinese flowers honey is the same as clover honey or rape honey or an apple blossoms honey or any white blended Argentine honey. Bad, bad information; bad, bad marketing. I have > no customers who > complain about buying my honey which creams itself > naturally, no > processing whatsover, just poured in a new container > after settling for > a day in the storage tank. Most can't believe how > good it tastes and > that's because its raw, unfiltered honey. [...] The consumers don't > know what they are > missing. Instead they are buying a product that is > heated,blended, > filtered, pasteurized, and this is what the consumer > is led to believe > pure honey should taste like. Once again, I think you are perfectly right. Taste has to be educated by comparisons. Once they tested local honeys of different flowers (non heated, non pasteurized), I have seen no consumers going back to blended pasteurized generic honey, even if it costs half my price. Some prefer creamy honeys, some prefer liquid clover, some golden rod, etc. Some require pasteurized honeys, some want non-pasteurized honeys. Tastes are as varied as honeys...and vice versa. Thus, I believe there can be a place on the market for local flowers honeys but also exotic honeys in spite of local production costs...AS FAR AS CONSUMERS CAN TRULY KNOW WHAT IS IN THEIR HONEY JAR; as far as one let them a chance to know when they eat canola honey, or clover honey or dandelion honey. But right now, floral origin labelled on jars is just "n'importe quoi". By the way, I suggest to consult the Proposed honey label changes for Canada http://www.honeycouncil.ca/users/folder.asp?FolderID=876&nID=461. Still nothing about floral origin and, worst, consumers will no longer be allowed to know if their honeys have been pasteurized or not. I hope consumers associations will react to keep their right to know. Hervé __________________________________________________________________ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:33:26 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Bio- Diesel and honey In-Reply-To: <426FD031.8030301@mts.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gilles wrote: > The only one I am aware of is the VW jetta > or passatt that get about 65 miles to the gallon. Just a correction. I own a Jetta TDI and have got up to the 60s but the norm is about 45-47mpg in winter (different fuel) and 47 city and 51-55mpg highway (even up about 75mph). Drove from Bath to Erie PA &00 miles +) on one tank. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:20:40 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Leigh Hauter Subject: Fwd: BRISTOL THE BEE BUSTER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >A FOOD CHAIN RELEASE FROM METROFARM.COM > > > >You hear them coming=85 an industrious hmmmm that=20 >grows in intensity. You look up from your=20 >paperback novel and see a dark cloud of bees=20 >settling on the eaves of your roof. You have=20 >been swarmed. Who you going to call? > > > >This Saturday at 9AM Pacific, the Food Chain=20 >with Michael Olson hosts George Bristol of Bee=20 >Busters for a conversation about bees. > > > >(Listen live, or delayed, on your computer at=20 >www.metrofarm.com) > > > >Topics include how bees are responsible for two=20 >out of each three bites of food that we eat; how=20 >tiny mites are reaking havoc on the bee=20 >population; and what to do when you get swarmed. > > > >Listeners are invited to call the program on=20 >KFRM,=20 >KGET,=20 >KGOE, KNTK, KOMY,=20 >KSCO,=20 >KTIP,=20 >KVON,=20 >WKKD, =20 >TRUTH RADIO and the=20 >HEALTH RADIO=20 >NETWORK with questions and comments, or log them=20 >to the Forum page at=20 >www.metrofarm.com. > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:19:21 -0500 Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlos_Fern=E1ndez_Campos?= Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Carlos_Fern=E1ndez_Campos?= Subject: Re: queen rearing without grafting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everone, There is any way to obtain electronic information or books about queen rearing or royal jely production? There are E-manuals for general beekeeping? If there are, Pleasssssse, send me some, people arround here are not well informed. regards Juan Carlos. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:17:28 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: queen rearing without grafting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > (Is)There is any way to obtain electronic information or books > about queen rearing or royal jely production? Again, The Hive and the Honey Bee collection at Mann Library (Cornell University). This time the book is: _Scientific_queen-rearing_as_practically_applied ... by Gilbert M. Doolittle. The book can be viewed online at: http://bees.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=bees;idno=5017292 Although over 100 years old, it's still a valuable read. Aaron Morris - thinking donations for "the Hive and the Honeybee"! http://www.easternapiculture.org/programs/phillips.pdf :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:06:52 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Re: Bio- Diesel and honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> The only one I am aware of is the VW jetta >> or passatt that get about 65 miles to the gallon. > Just a correction. I own a Jetta TDI and have got up to the 60s but > the norm is about 45-47mpg in winter (different fuel) and 47 city and > 51-55mpg highway I suspect that rather than a correction, an interpretation is what may be required. As often happens here on BEE-L, two people who make seemingly contradictory statements can both turn out to be right. Assuming Gilles was talking in real (Imperial) gallons and that Bill was talking about his local (US) gallons, they could both be correct. 45 MPG US is 54 MPG Imperial and 55 MPG US is 66 MPG Imperial. The '60s' (US), to which Bill refers, would be over 72 MPG Imperial. Moreover, I'm guessing that Bill drives in town a lot, and maybe Gilles only drives highways, and therefore each only really thinks about the mileage that he would get in his own situation, and both are right. Also, FWIW, I was in Sudbury, ON this last week, and they are announcing a new bio-diesel plant to be built there too, with promise of increased canola acreage in North. This green revolutrion is turning the world yellow. allen A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:35:37 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Re: Feeding caged queen and attendants? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Bees can live very comfortably, AND A LOT LONGER, when kept at LOW > temperatures, like 45°-50° and in the DARK, just like a November day. > Given 1-2 small drops of water each day, the attendants will dissolve > a bit of cage candy and FEED the queen. I used to believe that, and many do, but I had some bad experiences when holding queens in shipping boxes of 100 queens each over weekends and until they were all used up. At that time, I stored them in a cool place in the dark, but, within a week, the queens and attendants were always looking poor and I had losses. After one particuarly bad loss, I asked other commercial beekeepers what was wrong, and I learned that queens with attendants do best when kept at room temperature and in the light, but out of direct sun. That surprised me, since bees on comb are calmest when kept cooler than room temp, but since I learned that, I have stored thousands of queens and had no further problems, and very low mortality in storage (1%?). Ideally, queens should not be stored, but in the real world, it happens. We often held queens up to ten days and could not detect any ill effects. One time, I held some for about two months, however, and the ones that survived and were accepted did not lay as far as I could tell. So, my thoughts are that storing them a week or so is okay, assuming that they were never banked before shipping, but beyond that point, there may be a decline in survival, acceptance and quailty. Check out the links listed under "Temporary Storage of Queens in Shipping Boxes" at http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/menus/topics.htm and see if there are ideas you can use. allen A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:27:56 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jim Smith Subject: Re: Canola In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, Several associates of mine suggest that the following is true--I have no idea of course! Safety and Side Effects Safety Traditional rapeseed is believed to be unsuitable for human consumption due to its high content of erucic acid. Erucic acid is a long chain monounsaturated fatty acid that has been shown to cause heart damage in experimental animals. Whereas traditional rapeseed oil contains 20-55 % erucic acid, canola oil contains less than 2 % erucic acid and is therefore considered safe. http://www.sbrc.ca/ncarm/canolaoil.htm Jim Truly in the Tules Klamath Basin State of Jefferson :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:52:53 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Les Crosby Subject: Curtis Crowel curtiscrow@att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Queen and attendants need water. Your method works to satisfy their need. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:10:20 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: Bio diesel and honey In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those interested in reading some information on Rape (Canola, Colza) might find the somewhat dated article written by Kenn Tuckey in 1998 useful. > http://www.albertabeekeepers.org/Articles/0698_1.htm The reason that I posted the original mail was due to having listened to several radio programmes over several days from the state just south of us here in Manitoba - it being North Dakota. The programme was based on a phone in, accepting calls from all over the U.S. In response to recent crude oil price increases, environmental concern and presumably increased energy independence, the topic of Bio fuels was investigated. Increases in production are programmed, with if I understood correctly, certain states intending to place as much as 20% bio-fuel into conventional diesel fuel. It seems to me that there will be an increase in crop hectares (acres) to accommodate this increase. This suggests that potential for an increase in honey crops quantities. Presuming that the US is not going to be the only country to involve itself in this type of fuel production, does it not suggest that there may well be an increase in the amount of honey arriving on to the market? I wonder how the honey producers in the US, Canada and the EU (to indicate just a few) will cope with an increased tonnage of honey on the open global market. I am presuming that the price will be pressured downwards even further. Would it not be reasonable for the organisations directing Apicultural activities to be lobbying to indicate that for good quality oil production, there is a need for good seed, soil, management AND proper pollination. It would be excellent if it were recognised that bees are needed as a support in the development of this budding industry. Regards, Peter :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:15:10 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: Canola honey labelling In-Reply-To: <20050427195746.27889.qmail@web20828.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ......Thus a white Chinese flowers honey is the same as clover honey or rape honey or an apple blossoms honey or any white blended Argentine honey. Bad, bad information; bad, bad marketing. Herve - Is there any organised marketing of honey in Canada? - any that is directed directly at the buying public. Regards, Peter :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:08:02 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Canola MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > This message was originally submitted by > Medhat.Nasr@GOV.AB.CA to the BEE-L > list at LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU. It was edited to remove most of the quoted material. > > ----------------- Original message (ID=2134F36A) (84 lines) > > From: Medhat.Nasr@gov.ab.ca > In-Reply-To: > To: Lloyd Spear > Cc: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu > Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Canola > > > Lloyd said: > Hmm...Europeans have been growing rape for what seems like > 'forever', and > AFAIK it was only for human consumption. .......I guess the > word does not > translate directly into the English word we use for other purposes. > > Answer: > > Please Check the following website for Canola origin and history. > > http://www.canola-council.org/PDF/canola/english/originhistory.pdf > > > Medhat > > Medhat Nasr, Ph. D. > Provincial Apiculturist > Crop Diversification Centre North > > 17507 Fort Road > Edmonton, AB, Canada T5Y 6H3 > Tel: (780) 415-2314 Fax: (780) 422-6096 > Mailto:medhat.nasr@gov.ab.ca :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:09:44 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: NBC Nightly News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > This message was originally submitted by beekeeper@TM.NET to > the BEE-L list at > LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU. It was edited to remove previously posted material. > > ----------------- Original message (ID=FF26FC22) (79 lines) > From: "Coleene" > To: "Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee > Biology" > Subject: Re: [BEE-L] NBC Nightly News > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:14:43 -0400 > > Saw the bit on the news tonight. Great piece Jerry. Can't > help but think > more time should have been spent on the bees and less on > Palestine. But > I'm a bit biased on the subject. > > Coleene :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:52:06 -0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Eunice Wonnacott Subject: Re: Feeding caged queen and attendants? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What we are really looking at is the time the queen with attendants can be held in the shipping cages, from the time she first was put there. The variation success time of 4 to 7 days after arrival reflects that total time. Best to use them as early as possible after receipt, or be prepared to "take your lumps!" Sometimes it is possible to arrange the timing of the shipment so that it is not necessary to hold any over a weekend. EDW > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:47:38 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Steve Bonine Subject: Re: NBC Nightly News In-Reply-To: <08A9A34A42FD0E4E87A1BE23C10A0ABA0B558877@tlhexchange1.doacs.state.fl.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not sure if this article on MSNBC is based on the piece that aired on NBC News. Nice that they give Marla Spivak's credit to the U of Florida. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7656383/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:34:14 -0500 Reply-To: gmaguet@mts.net Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gilles Subject: Re: Canola honey labelling In-Reply-To: <4270715E.2030206@mts.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Is there any organised marketing of honey in Canada? - any that is > directed directly at the buying public. > This is a good question. In Manitoba, the MBA is a actually a marketing board that has bylaws governed by the Natural Products Marketing Council. It appears to me that these boards are underfunded and require a checkoff or some means to raise funds which can be directed towards marketing members honey. Currently most issues that are dealt with do not involve the marketing of honey. Each producer is left to their own means of marketing. If this is indeed a marketing board, then in my books, it is very poor one at best. That is not to say that current directors are not doing their job, on the contrary, they do the job for free or at their own expense but deal with mostly production related issues. Our problem is a lack of funds. We only have to look at a well funded board such as the Manitoba Egg Producers, which have about 170 producers, and see how they focus strongly on promoting their product to consumers. Gilles :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:37:20 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: John & Christy Horton Subject: caged queen and attendants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have read a Bro. Adams remark about caged queens. He says that caging a queen will damage her to some degree depending on the extent of her captivity. Does anybody know whether a study to this effect has been done? Thanks John Horton Greenbrier Honey farm. Madison Alabama USA :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:38:33 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: josh jaros Subject: Re: caged queen and attendants In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John & Christy Horton wrote: I have read a Bro. Adams remark about caged queens. He says that caging a queen will damage her to some degree depending on the extent of her captivity. Does anybody know whether a study to this effect has been done? Thanks Hi All, Sometimes queens get banked for longer periods of time. From my limited experience these queens don't fare well. Most get superceded. I wonder how long some of them get banked before they are shipped? Josh Jaros __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:48:56 -0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Eunice Wonnacott Subject: Re: Canola honey labelling Comments: To: gmaguet@MTS.NET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Prince Edward Island, producers have a lot of freedom. Pure Honey has to be just that. PEI Honey must be all the product of this province. No grading is required for sales within the province. For shipping out of province, the Canada grading standards must be used, and product must comply . If we do not say PEI Honey, then there is no requirement that it be produced here. I believe pasteurised honey must be so labeled, but am not sure on this one. I do not remember legislation for sure, but importing of bulk honey from outside of Canada "must" be regulated, if not prohibited. Others can set us both straight on this. EDW :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:33:33 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Hive Management Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At our convention, last fall, there was a representative from Xen-Apiary promoting their hive management software. When I learned that it was web-based and that the data and software reside on a remote server, I immediately lost interest. Anyhow, I came across their card today and looked up their site on the Internet. I watched the demo at http://www.xenacom.com/XAP/xenapiary-demo.html and concluded that Xen would not suit my purposes, but I'm wondering if anyone on the list has tried it. If not, what other software have people tried lately, and how well has it worked? allen http://www.honeybeeworld.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:10:37 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: Hive Management Software In-Reply-To: <000301c54c4a$b2121eb0$b47ba8c0@Pegasus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not Hive management but never the less a very useful piece of software allowing easy bee wing measurement maybe found at: > http://www.cybis.se/ Click on the appropriate language (no surprise but limited!) Regards, Peter :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::