From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 09:37:09 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-83.7 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,ADVANCE_FEE_2, AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5B448996 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SEFvLW013111 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:35:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:35:36 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0504E" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 26582 Lines: 558 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:20:24 -0600 Reply-To: ttownsen@telusplanet.net Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR HONEY FARMS Subject: Re: Canola honey labelling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > " I do not remember legislation for sure, but importing of bulk honey > from > outside of Canada "must" be regulated, if not prohibited. " > > It is not regulated, other than to spot check ( except chinese, which > I believe is still being checked every load, as long as it is marked > "chinese honey") for banned contaminants, and definitely not prohibited. Tim Townsend > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:36:45 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: OhioBeeFarmer Subject: Re: Hive Management Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrote a program that works on the palm platform and it received interesting the results. I found many people didn't want to take their device in the field and get it dirty. I think if folks would look at them as tools they might be more excepted. I have seen used devices on ebay sell for 30 dollars or so and that makes them disposable to me. I haven't expanded too much on the program other than to added mileage for fuel use and some other features but still it doesn't seem to find a niche. It could be the program is too simple and needs a backend database manager with it. Since it's free and hasn't really taken off I think it will continue to be available free and for those that find it useful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "allen dick" To: Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: [BEE-L] Hive Management Software > At our convention, last fall, there was a representative from Xen-Apiary > promoting their hive management software. > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:41:51 +0200 Reply-To: Ivan Cerny Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ivan Cerny Subject: Re: Canola In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >From 90's new canola varieties have erucic acid significantly reduced. Oil is OK for humans and honey tastes MUCH BETTER than before (it was something like 'hot' before). Regards Ivan Czech Rep., Europe :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:45:23 +0200 Reply-To: Ivan Cerny Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ivan Cerny Subject: Florida visit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Florida beekeepers, a friend of mine will visit Destin - Fort Walton area on June. Can you advice me some bee farm to visit? Thanks and best regards, Ivan :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:08:40 +0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: William Winters Subject: Beekeeping Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow Beekeepers, I am a beekeeper that is currently stationed in Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom III. I subscribed to the BEE-L list to keep current on beekeeping in the U.S. while I am away. I appreciate all the helpful info that everyone provides. Beekeeping software interests me as I am a computer programmer that would be happy to do some beekeeping programing during my free time here. Just let me know what you need. Thank you again. David :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:46:52 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Matthew W." Subject: Re: Hive Management Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another commercial beekeeper & I have observed the same, that the current cost of used PDA's might offer an inexpensive computerized edge to keeping track of our hives. So we purchased a couple used "Ipaq 3835" a few months back. We've tossed the idea from spreadsheets back to memos back to spreadsheets and can't seem to find a meaningful way to quickly/simply jot down information of interest after visiting an out-apiary. If you leave the PDA in the truck & only type in the info for a few minutes before you leave then it might be safe to use even the more expensive (but still used/good buys) $100-$200 pda's. I purchased one with a keyboard built-in (Tungsten C) which comes in handy for typing out sentences, vs. the touchscreen most people would say is time consuming. Another cheap tool for apairy organization would be any plain old leftover 386/486/586 notebook. If anybody has a method/spreadsheet for typing in their apiary info, by all means let us know. So far, all 'we' have is just a growing list of things we 'might' see at a beeyard to keep track of. Most PDA's now have Excel built into their ROM's so a simple spreadsheet might be the answer. Anyone already have one worked up & want to save us a few months of grief? Much appreciated if you do ... Matthew Westall - EBees - Castle Rock, CO --- (where the snow-melt and rain has this season off to a bang -but- today just lost the apple and peach blossoms to freeze.... same could be said of willow pollen last week which only lasted a day before frost nipped the buds) ----- Original Message ----- >I wrote a program that works on the palm platform and it received > interesting the results. I found many people didn't want to take their :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:35:20 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Grant Gillard Subject: Re: Hive Management Software In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what other software have people tried lately, and how well has it worked? My question to those interested in beekeeping software: Just what do you want the computer program to keep track of or do for you? There may be other kinds of software that will do the same function, though not directly applicable to beekeeping. Grant Still keeping my notes in a spiral notebook on an individual-hive basis. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:04:40 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: P-O Gustafsson Subject: Beekeeping Software In-Reply-To: <200504300402.j3U3woWv023927@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have found HandBase for Palm very useful. It's simple enought to easy learn, has backup feature to desktop computer, and can export data to Excel for evaluation. I have one database for the yards, that is the one I mainly use. One for the whole operation with every hive, that is for evaluation in breeding. One for the queen rearing, etc. I use the Palm Tungsten C, it has a keybord with big enough keys to write in the field. I find it worth the time to type in details on the spot. The greatest benefit is that I always have all info I need there with me all the time. www.ddhsoftware.com -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:43:06 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Comments: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys From: Mike Stoops Subject: Re: Hive Management Software In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Grant Gillard wrote: > My question to those interested in beekeeping > software: Just what do you want the computer > program to keep track of or do for you? Was brain storming thoughts on the above question and the following thoughts came to mind. Ya'll might want to add to the list and let's all try to make a comprehensive composit of our wants and needs. The program should be able to track individual hives on a time line. It should provide some kind of spreadsheet to include all expenditures and incomes. It should be able to track inventory. Depreciation of assets should be included for tax purposes. The information should be available in a simple enough form to be able to transfer needed information into tax sheets (Be accessable by the current tax programs?). At the end of the season, or at the appropriate time the beekeeper should be able to evaluate each hive as to productivity, strength, resistance to disease and pests, readiness to overwinter and winter hardiness. I currently keep daily track of the local weather and am trying, with my limited knowledge, to make notes of any nectar supporting blooming that takes place. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:23:18 -0500 Reply-To: gmaguet@mts.net Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gilles Subject: Re: Hive Management Software In-Reply-To: <017001c54d26$7e3e3830$b5c9a143@ecapital83wvji> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > (where the snow-melt and rain has this season off to a bang -but- > today just > lost the apple and peach blossoms to freeze.... same could be said of > willow > pollen last week which only lasted a day before frost nipped the buds) > I can share a somewhat similiar sitution up here in Manitoba in which early April gave us well above average temperatures, giving us beekeepers good opportunities to open hives to feed with pollen patties and corn syrup. The willows were just off to a good start as well as the maples only to be halted by a persistant low pressure system that is hovering above Hudson's Bay and sending all this cold weather way down south. I'm thankful the bees are still covered with their winter wraps as we have been getting cold north winds and snow. The maples are clinging to their blossoms. I'm not sure if they'll shed pollen when the temperature returns to normal. I'm not concerned with willows, they are frost hardy and with one day of warmth, they'll shed plenty more pollen. This weather illustrates how critical it can be to have pollen/protein patties given to bees in early spring. I bought 1000 lbs for about 400 hives from Global Patties and will certainly buy even more for next year. The bees have been critically short on pollen and without this supplemental protein, they would certainly not be building as well as they are. Gilles :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:54:12 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Beekeeping Software In-Reply-To: <9f96cc09f8fa50.9f8fa509f96cc0@us.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed All: Regarding beekeeping software, I'm aware of at least four possible, existing options: 1) Tom Sanford worked with Penn State (as I remember) on a spreadsheet program for managing a bee business. I'm not sure how/where one can obtain this. Tom? 2) A firm in Canada was marketing a Hive Records program a couple of years ago, when I was in Canada. Maybe Alan Dick can provide specifics? 3) A 4-H girl and her father worked up a nice little Pocket PC hive notes program about 3-4 years ago. I saw an early copy and it was useful. They used to follow this list. Hope she carried through and marketed it. Jerry :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:17:49 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Re: Hive Management Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who are on now on the hunt for software, try http://tinyurl.com/9uw9w > The program should > be able to track individual hives on a time line. It > should provide some kind of spreadsheet to include all > expenditures and incomes. It should be able to track > inventory. Depreciation of assets should be included > for tax purposes. The information should be available > in a simple enough form to be able to transfer needed > information into tax sheets... As the list grows longer, the complixity and the learning curve get steeper, and the likelihood of a hidden, but serious entry or computational error grows. Relying on software can be fatal to your business. Read about "Excel hell" and "Spread Dread" at http://tinyurl.com/c98e5 . I used compters for record keeping for many years, but found that I preferred to make up small modules that began and ended on paper. When data went from one stage to another, it was never permitted to do so without a personal audit. That is not to say that a system that does everything would not be an ideal solution, but, I'd like to add error detection and trapping, and easy auditing for anomalies to the wish list. allen http://www.honeybeeworld.com :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:04:19 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Re: Beekeeping Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 2) A firm in Canada was marketing a Hive Records program a couple of > years ago, when I was in Canada. Maybe Alan Dick can provide > specifics? http://www.mynista.com/beekeeper/ allen http://www.honeybeeworld.com/ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:49:41 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: John Howe Subject: Re: Beekeeping Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List-- Bee-L mentioned one piece of software last year. I use it but not faithhfully. It's http://www.mybeehives.com/ John Howe :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:14:47 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Curtis Crowell Subject: Hive Management Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have written some application software in my time, mostly cash flow analysis, management systems, analytical systems and so on. My own beekeeping materials for my 15-20 hives consists of a clipboard and some notes on paper that I prepare before and during the time I "make my rounds." I have attempted to put together a database application for my own use, but it sits unused (see below). I have had some success in producing software for a professional beekeeper of some 3,000 hives whose business is organized around pollination services. When I examined commercially available beekeeping programs, I found that most of them are geared toward the hobbyist, particularly those inclined to track very methodically as many variables as possible, such as the last requeening date, the number of frames of brood, and so on. This sort of information was not what my beekeeper client needed. His staff knows how they manage the health of the colonies; know how to spot a queenless hive, how to treat for varroa, when to pull honey, and so on. What they needed was a more overall management scheme to help accurately manage when and where their "resources" were deployed, convey accurate information to their grower clients, and provide helpful information to those clients as they prepare for the subsequent year. My program is geared toward managing the location, crop, time on site and pollination fee for pallet sized quantities of colonies. It accomodates extra fees for moving colonies within a grower's site (you can incur this fee numerous times, or you can log the fact that the bees were moved but the move was not charged for), and you can incur special fees if the bees are left on site for a longer than normal period (if the grower has a later crop and wants the bees to be on site after the primary crop has passed its bloom). It summarizes where all of your bees are at any given time, how long they are on site, and generates billing statements for each grower. Each grower can have several locations, with one crop at each location, the pollination fee being different (if needed) per crop, in state and out of state. In addition to billing statements, it will generate a "first of year" letter that goes to each grower, summarizing by crop just how many colonies he/she used, and how many days the bees were on site (working, presumably) for each crop. The "first of year" letter goes out to help the grower determine his/her orders for bees the following season. As Allen's msg indicated, the more complex the application, the steeper the learning curve, and the less value the application potentially adds. This is particularly true if you design an application to include every possible variant form of data imaginable. My software clients, beekeeper included, prefer "lean" applications that are easy to use, deal well with fewer possible parameters, to more generalized highly flexible environments that are cumbersome as well as being difficult to cross-train personnel for. For my own colonies, which generally do not move and do not generate pollination fees, I have tinkered with a database application but it has yielded to paper notes that are prepared before, during, and after I make the rounds of my few small beeyards, making notes about splits, queens, varroa counts, and so on. The only working stuff I've written for my own use is something simple that has a table of products, sizes, and so on, that prints customer's bills for honey and other services, and does a nice summary of revenue for me when tax time comes. I use it when I get an order and need an invoice, and later it is updated when checks come in. C. Crowell Bountiful Bees of Broad Street Hightstown, NJ :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:06:24 +0200 Reply-To: Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jorn Johanesson Subject: SV: [BEE-L] Beekeeping Software In-Reply-To: <005701c54da6$a6a8aff0$b77ba8c0@Nemo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > http://www.mynista.com/beekeeper/ > > allen Bidata performs the same actions and is multilingual! It does not relay on microsoft office purcased and installed. It also have a simple accounting spreadsheet that can be loaded into excel. It can print out a configurable hive note card. I am aware of that Bidata have been carrying out some errors, but please tell me how to fix those if I am not aware. People are very silent in reporting errors. I have just established a test team with eight people, first report is only an installation error that will go away if Palm support is installed. This is of course fixed! I have not heard of other, and people are still downloading and some few are paying for it. I am still handling a free software out to people that are helping me in one or another way! The software will end up as a free software when I pass it on to the Danish beekeeper society. About the palm support the software is now also for the new palms. Further more it has Barcode support. (Look up the hive by scancode and edit it) Generic and symbolic scanner. Give it a second try, it is still free of charge for ten hives, and only a low registration fee. Best regards Jorn Johanesson maybe the best and Only Multilingual software for beekeeping on the net. With integrated update facility. Version 8.0.3.0 now translated into 12 languages with more to come. hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk forum = http://www.apimo.dk/apimo_forum/ e-mail apimo@apimo.dk :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::