From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 10:24:50 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93.6 required=2.4 tests=AWL,SPF_HELO_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00EA49051 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SF1MLk014128 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:50 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0604E" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 6772 Lines: 152 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:13:42 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Biological Activity of Propolis in Health and Disease MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII New Way to Produce Medicines Containing Propolis Revista Fitos, 3/3/2006 Biological Activity of Bee Propolis in Health and Disease Asian Pacific Journal of Cancer Prevention, 2006 Jan-Mar For full articles, go to: www.apitherapynews.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:13:20 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Borst?= Subject: Florida's recommendations Comments: To: Bob Harrison Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bob Harrison wrote: >Until you see first hand the aggressive behavior of AHB when upset you can >not realize how nasty these gals can be. Hi Bob I just read your article in the May ABJ. Correct me if I am wrong, but you suggest that states where they find African bees should adopt Florida's recommendations for bee yard locations. Now I may agree with that, but according to my calculations, in order to have a beeyard that is 1/4 of a mile from people or animals, you would need 160 acres (that is a square 1/2 mile wide, a circle would give a smaller number) Maybe out west they have 160 acre plots laying about, but in Upstate NY, that's considered a pretty good sized chunk of pasture. pb -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:52:31 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: walter weller Subject: Re: beekeeping after severe reactions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeanne, some do, some don't. Every individual is different in his/her= reaction to bee stings. Your experience seems rather typical of the = majority. I've had 300+ stings at one sitting and no reaction; others= die from one sting.=0D=0A=0D=0AWalter Weller=0D=0A= -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:40:49 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Florida's recommendations Comments: To: Peter Borst MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Peter & All, Recommendations and rules are to very different things. Right now in Florida the State of Florida is trying to inform and help with recommendations to keep problems from happening. Smart beekeepers will try to work within the system. Jerry Hayes is a reasonable person. Jerry knows the value to agriculture of the honey bee. The horse which was killed by stings in Florida was too close to the hives which were almost all africanized. So were the pets killed. Locations need to be chosen wisely. Locations close to many cities could be outlawed under later phases. Public nuisance trumps the "beekeeping grandfather clause". Law suits could become a reality. The Florida apiary inspection service might be called as expert witness for the prosecution. Beekeepers might have trouble getting insurance. In my opinion an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If the hobby beekeeper does his job and keeps his hive AHB free they have little to worry about. If he/she does not keep check on the hive at the back of their acre lot and the bees sting the old gentleman to death next door then you might end up homeless from a lawsuit. Most hobby beekeepers do not carry beekeeping insurance and homeowner limits might not be high enough for a serious problem. Might not even cover the problem. I would ask my agent if I lived in south Florida and was a hobby beekeeper. I value my commercial beekeeping insurance. Without the beekeeping business insurance I doubt I would keep bees in an area of AHB. My corporate status also protects my assets. Not hard to do. I did all the paperwork myself years ago. The largest beekeeper in the state of Florida several years ago lost his insurance over an employee death. The beekeeper said the death was from heat stroke and not stings. The hospital said the death was from stings. The beekeeper was able to get insurance (from another company)and went back in business. Every location needs to be looked at on its own merit. Commercial beekeepers need to use common sense. Not to wait for the State of Florida to make you stop using a location too close to people. Avoid the stinging incidents and the complaints is the best policy for all areas. I have got over 200 hives in my back yard. Bell Hill Honey has a couple hundred in his back yard. Houses within 300 feet of both our operations. Within the next few weeks these will be moved out on to locations but we have never had a problem with neighbors over the bees. Not one. I believe if we had AHB genetics in our bees stinging would be a problem. If I thought for a minute the hives were a danger to my neighbors (long time friends) I would not keep a single hive on the place nor would Bell Hill. We have got remote locations over several counties but home is convenient for new hives with new queens. Neighbor problems have happened with the rock quarry holding yard of Bell Hill Honey when more than one semi load of bees are in the yard at a time. Bell Hill Honey moved the bees a couple hundred feet further into the quarry and the problems stopped. Understanding neighbors are better than distance in my opinion. A single neighbor on a crusade to rid the area of a bee hive can be a problem no matter the distance. Sincerely, Bob Harrison -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info ---