From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 10:29:25 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-90.4 required=2.4 tests=AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEFE4908E for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SF1MMM014128 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:50 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0606A" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 42040 Lines: 1076 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:46:24 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Larry Krengel Subject: Honey bees for outdoor education program MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good evening, all... I have a request to develop a honey bee component for an outdoor education program. Better yet, they have a building and a budget for this project. I anticipate including an observation hive and a couple of colonies in a small bee yard. Beyond that I can suggest what ever I wish. I am looking for suggestions. What is the best that is out there? I am happy to borrow good ideas instead of inventing them locally. Is there an observation hive that seems to be the most useful and sustainable? What else should I include in the budget? The difficult part is that I only have a week to write my proposal. Any help, thought, leads... would be greatly appreciated. Larry Krengel Marengo, IL -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:58:51 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lennard Pisa Subject: Mating stations NH/VT area In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear all, Does anyone know of mating stations or (isolated) breeders of carnolian type bees in New Hampshire or Vermont? thanks, Lennard -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:36:04 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Absconding procedure. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I did not get any replies to my questions about two-queen hive configurations. I have to assume that all the experienced beekeepers are busy working their bees at this time. :)) I was called to perform a colony removal from a house. The nest was in a hot part of the roof and it appeared the combs collapsed with the previous 24 hours and the queen with the bees absconded. There were 3 combs of live sealed/open brood and eggs. And 2 outer combs partly filled with honey and pollen. Only 10 bees were accounted for. I have not had a case where adult bees would leave brood behind. This was a first for me. Anybody know if abscondig bees form a swarm to look for nest sites or do they leave the old site to go straight to a pre-determined new nest site? Waldemar Long Island, NY PS> I have been unbelievably busy with swarm and removal calls in the last two weeks. We had a mild winter and a lot of feral and managed colonies must have come out of it strong to swarm. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:17:29 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Robin Dartington Subject: Re: Honey bees for outdoor education program MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Larry Krengel" > I am looking for suggestions. What I found most useful with a school bee club was to stock a number of Apidea mating boxes with old fertile queens (when replaced in production colonies) and set these out around the garden. An Apidea holds only about 300 bees or less but can show all stages of brood , different colours of pollen, - and even raise a new queen if the old one is removed. It works with children becuse you can pick up a box and move it 12 feet before opening. All the older bees fly back 12 feet - and the young bees left can be handled by children without protection. Once a child has had a bee run over its hand, you are through a barrier - in fact they get foolhardy. You can devise all sorts of educational projects with these little colonies. When they get overfull , you just cut out comb. Given a budget you could design an open-sided 'bee house' where the Apideas could be displayed attractively - surrounded by photos/info boards - and inspected even in bad weather. Robin -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:02:45 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "James W. Hock" Subject: Bee attractions in NC, SC? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll be on vacation between Myrtle Beach, SC and Apex, NC during the = week of July 23 to July 29. Is there anything of interest to a = Beekeeper around here? Jim Hock Wethersfield, CT. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:49:55 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: VIP's in Beekeeping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Maurice [mailto:maurice.kuyckx@TELENET.BE] Sent: Sat 2006.06.03 14:05 To: BEE-L-request@listserv.albany.edu Subject: VIP's in Beekeeping Hello dear Friends of Beekeeping. =20 We remember on this Sunday our Great Friend of Beekeeping Prof.Dr. = Ludwig Armbruster who died on this Day in 1978 . =20 Maurice from Belgium -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:36:37 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: VIP's in Beekeeping In-Reply-To: <9D95C2906FCCE04F836ECA17C4CE092108BE0EB8@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Maurice: Since 1978 is a ways back for most today.......could you go over a brief history of this good beekeeper for all to know about....as to why you remember. Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:04:00 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Fwd: [Organicbeekeepers] Re: Have you Read what's happening to W.T.Kelly in B... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Aaron: Get this info out to group.... D- --- deealusby1@aol.com wrote: > > > Michael writes: > > >What's happening? > > > > > Reply: > > Well, here it is.............spread the > word............... > > > > Hospital takes over at Bee Hive Factory: > > ABJ June 2006 page 57 > > It had been coming for 20 years, but the March 27 > announcement that > > ownership > > of Clarkson's Walter T. Kelley Factory moves to Twin > Lakes Regional > > Medical > > Center in September was a bit of a shock. The > hospital's CEO, Stephen > > Meredith said they would: > > > > Seek proposals (not bids) for a buyer for the > factory's inventory and > > equipment, the factory name, and lease the factory with > strong emphasis on > > keeeping > > it in Clarkson; or > > > > The current factory management can submit a proposal; > or there could be a > > buyout by employees. > > > > ................... > > > > further down it says: > > > > He added the Hospital Foundation, acting as a holding > company, can create an > > > > endowment with the remainder fo the trust funds and > future revenues from the > > > > Kelley company going toward future expansion of > healthcare facilities in the > > > > county. > > > > This arrangement he said, would let the Hospital > Foundation keep the assets > > of the Kelley Trust..................... > > > > More to read..........................but get the word > out!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Dee- > > > > > > > > > To: Organicbeekeepers@yahoogroups.com > From: DeeALusby1@aol.com > Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:54:07 EDT > Subject: Re: [Organicbeekeepers] Re: Have you Read what's > happening to W.T.Kelly in Be... > > Michael writes: > > What's happening? > > > Reply: > Well, here it is.............spread the > word............... > > Hospital takes over at Bee Hive Factory: > June 2006 page 57 > It had been coming for 20 years, but the March 27 > announcement that ownership > of Clarkson's Walter T. Kelley Factory moves to Twin > Lakes Regional Medical > Center in September was a bit of a shock. The hospital's > CEO, Stephen > Meredith said they would: > > Seek proposals (not bids) for a buyer for the factory's > inventory and > equipment, the factory name, and lease the factory with > strong emphasis on keeeping > it in Clarkson; or > > The current factory management can submit a proposal; or > there could be a > buyout by employees. > > ................... > > further down it says: > > He added the Hospital Foundation, acting as a holding > company, can create an > endowment with the remainder fo the trust funds and > future revenues from the > Kelley company going toward future expansion of > healthcare facilities in the > county. > > This arrangement he said, would let the Hospital > Foundation keep the assets > of the Kelley Trust..................... > > More to read..........................but get the word > out!!!!!!!!!! > > Dee- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:11:00 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Fwd: [Organicbeekeepers] Re: Have you Read what's happening to W.T.Kelly in B... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Aaron, Here is reply from Waya with more info for you. D- > > > To: Organicbeekeepers@yahoogroups.com > From: "wayacoyote" > Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:54:48 -0000 > Subject: [Organicbeekeepers] Re: Have you Read what's > happening to W.T.Kelly in Bee Culture? > > --- In Organicbeekeepers@yahoogroups.com, DeeALusby1@... > wrote: > > Well, if you have the latest issue of Bee Culture read > what is > happening to > > W.T.Kelly in the issue............... > > Comments as to where it will end up? > > Regards, > > Dee > > I live the next county over, and I'm saddened by it. I > toured the > facility a few years back and the lady told us that > Walter had set > things up so that she and the others could work "safely" > until they > retired. Then the changes would be made. > > From what I've learned, Walt put a lot of emphasis on his > county and > helped to build a new hospital which was named in his > honor. If it's > the one I'm thinking of, it is a good-sized hospital. My > understanding is that he wanted the company to continue > to in > operation in order to continue making revenue for the > county. And he > gave it over to the hospital as a way of assuring that. > Boy did > things backfire. From what I'm hearing now, the hospital > isn't > interested in keeping it going. Beekeepers from that > town, say that > the complaints from the hospital management that the > company has > declined in income in recent years are misguided. I have > seen the > improvements which have been made, walked past the new > equipment and > the old, and seen the efforts to expand the > productivity... Since the > company has invested in itself to benefit its future, > sure that took > some cash from the coffers. But I think it was well > spent. Almost no > one here buys from out of state if they can help it. I > certainly > choose Kelley's before paying shipment from somewhere > else. > > I would hope that anyone in the position to manage a > hospital would > be able to see that the decline in surplus revenue from > Kelleys is > explained by its growth in capital facilities. Looking at > the bottom > line doesn't always show what's going in in the > fine-lines. > > Last I heard (last month at the association meeting) the > hospital > intends to sell all that they can legally sell under > Walter's > stipulations and rent-out the rest. Look out Small Town, > Kentucky.... > here comes Dadant.... I don't know who'll take things > over, but it > definately won't be anyone who's first priority is Allen > County, > Kentucky. Walter truly does represent a rarity. > > I have to add that seeing some of his relic machines > still in > production was amazing. They said he was called in out of > retirement > a number of times to repair machines that he had > hand-built himself > as no one else could do it so easily. Simply amazing. > Touching them > seemed no different to me than touching the artwork of > the Masters. > > Waya > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Get to your groups with one click. > Know instantly when new email arrives > HREF="http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/MwgrlB/TM">Click > Here! > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Organicbeekeepers/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Organicbeekeepers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:23:52 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Adrian M. Wenner" Subject: Western Apicultural Society conference in July Comments: cc: Frances Kay-Bach , Robert Seccomb , Eric Mussen , George Steffensen In-Reply-To: <20060407093940.84d281a5f2f7df0ef38485a84124037d.6d76b06033.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear BEE-L subscribers, The WESTERN APICULTURAL SOCIETY will hold its 2006 conference in Buellton, California at the Pea Soup Andersen's conference center. The setting is the beautiful Santa Ynez Valley, with its California ranches and where prize-winning wines are now produced — also, where the movie "Sideways" was produced. We have arranged for inexpensive accommodations (especially for those who make reservations before June 20th) at the Best Western motel (Pea Soup Andersen's Inn, next door to the conference center). We have an exciting speaker line-up: Joe Traynor (almond pollination), Frank Eischen (Australian vs California bees in almond pollination), David Kellum (living with Africanized bees), Jim Bach (formic acid use in the U.S.), Serge Labesque (self-sufficiency in beekeeping), Adrian Wenner (odor and honey bee foraging), Tanya Pankiw (brood pheromone effects), Robbin Thorp (diversity in native bees), Tom Glenn (queen breeding), Marina Meixner (selection of honey bee lines), Diana Sammataro (USDA Tucson lab studies on oxalic acid and sucrocide), and Harrington Wells (European bees in Pakistan). The very low conference fee includes a Santa Maria style barbecue on the last evening. For those who have time, Buellton is only 40 miles on an uncongested freeway to the legendary city of Santa Barbara, with its myriad special attractions. We anticipate a post-conference whale watching tour from the Santa Barbara harbor, where participants can usually see blue whales at that time of year (the Santa Barbara has the largest concentration of such whales anywhere), as well as many other marine mammals. For full details, access the WAS web site at: http://beekeeper.dbs.umt.edu/WAS/ Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 963-8508 (home office phone) 967 Garcia Road wenner@lifesci.ucsb.edu Santa Barbara, CA 93103 www.beesource.com/pov/wenner/index.htm -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:07:00 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lionel Subject: Maxant Chain Uncapper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clear DayI am looking for a Maxant model 1700 Chain Uncapper. =20 If anyone has one for sale please reply off list. smoothevans@pclnet.net or call 256-232-9073. Thanks, Lionel Evans Athens, Alabama -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:37:09 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Milt_Lathan?= Subject: Save Drone-layer hive? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I know this is an oldie - but, is there ANY way to save the bees from a queenless hive that has at least one drone-layer? In the past - I have not had good luck with dumping them away from the hive or combining with a queen-right hive. TFL. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:32:25 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Lehr, Carl" Subject: Found A Beautiful Feral Colony in a Tree: NOW WHAT? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit HELP! I have a 5 ft section of tree trunk (tree was cut down) that appears to have 7-8 rows of comb the full length of it with all bees still present. We have a Nature Center in which our association maintains an observation hive, but I was wondering how interesting it would be to maybe remove the bees, cut the tree trunk in half, and apply some Plexiglas to show the public what a feral colony looks like. We could then show comparisons between bees in the wild and bees kept by beekeepers. From an educational perspective, it seems like it would be a great display to educate our public and worth our efforts. However, is there any way to get the bees to vacate the tree trunk so I can work on it safely? Could I use a fumigant and is it worth saving the bees? If so, how do I get them out of one and into a couple of deeps? Has anyone ever had any experience doing this? Please contact me offline is you have ANY thoughts or ideas. It appears to be a magnificent example of how feral bees set up house. Appreciate anyone's help on this. Dave sends. Dave Lehr Carroll County, MD -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 05:43:10 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Hygienic Production Could Reduce C. Botulinum in Honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hygienic Production Could Reduce C. Botulinum in Honey GO TO: www.apitherapynews.com Contamination Routes of Clostridium Botulinum in the Honey Production Environment Environmental Microbiology, 2006 Jun;8(6):1085-94 Factors influencing Clostridium botulinum contamination in the honey production environment were evaluated in a 3-year survey… The high prevalence of C. botulinum in soil and in samples associated with beeswax suggests the accumulation of soil-derived botulinal spores in wax. Additionally, according to Spearman's rank order correlation and multivariate analysis, production hygiene-dependent factors have a significant influence on the contamination, and thus the number and frequency of C. botulinum spores in honey could possibly be diminished by increasing hygienic level in honey production. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:24:38 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Hygienic Production Could Reduce C. Botulinum in Honey In-Reply-To: <20060606054310.84d281a5f2f7df0ef38485a84124037d.2f4a2211ce.wbe@email.secureserver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C Hooper wrote: > thus the number and > frequency of C. botulinum spores in honey could possibly be diminished > by increasing hygienic level in honey production. How? Maybe put out welcome mats at the colony entrance where the bees can wipe their feet. Bad enough with my having to wipe their noses when they come down with a virus, now I will have to change the mats. Beekeeping is really becoming labor intensive. I really do not like "could" hanging all alone like that. I "could" fly if.... Plus, it is not just honey that has a problem with botulism spores. You should not feed an infant any home made foods for the first year until their digestive systems can handle botulism spores, which are just about everywhere. I think I am getting a bit grumpy about all the wonders that come from bee products via the apitherapy links. There are many good, proved uses of the healing qualities of honey and other bee products, but many of the recent studies are a bit of a stretch. Many things work in a petri dish but few make it into workable applications. I can kill cancer every time in a petri dish with liberal applications of alcohol, but all it does is kill brain cells and destroy your liver when ingested. Honey as an antioxidant is great, but you would go into diabetic shock to get the benefits. Bill Truesdell (grump) Bath, Maine -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:21:02 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Save Drone-layer hive? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There were five responses to Milt's query about saving a drone laying hive, each of which quoted most (if not all) of the original query, which is identified in the Subject: header of each post. I have collected the responses and posted them here. Thanks to all who responded. Cheers, Aaron This message was originally submitted by tvaughan@CHARTER.NET: With two frames of mixed open and closed brood added, you've got a fifty fifty chance of them raising a new queen. This message was originally submitted by beeman@GCI.NET Most people do not seem to find a hive of laying workers worth saving. I have requeened such a hive by leaving a queen in a cage for 3 or 4 weeks before releasing her. I was using this hive as a queen bank for a while. I ended up with one more queen than I needed and finally released her. The colony accepted her and they cleaned up their act. No guarantee on this, however. A queenright hive separated from the laying workers with a screen board for some time would probably work also. If you try either of these I would be interested in hearing your results. Tom Elliott Chugiak, AK This message was originally submitted by queenbee@GIL.COM.AU If there are enough bees in the hive, you can put in a queen cell and they usually take that. Keep in mind that it will be around 2 weeks before that queen starts laying and another 3 weeks before the brood hatches out. Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA Coming to Apimondia in Australia in 2007? This message was originally submitted by mpalmer@TOGETHER.NET Nuc 'em. Mike This message was originally submitted by waldig@NETZERO.COM Put each deep over the inner cover of a strong queen-right hive. The laying workers will typically be eliminated in 24 hours. Waldemar Now I'll add my response. By "Nuc 'em.", I'm not sure if Mike is recommending make a nuc with the bees or if he's recommending to cut your losses and trash the hive, which is my recommendation. The more hives you have, the easier it is to recommending cutting your loss(es) and save your time and effort for more fruitful endeavors. I would shake the bees from the laying worker hive in an open yard and distribute the equipment among productive colonies, letting the shaken bees figure out what they will do. Of course, this advice is tempered with the usually disclaimer of checking for disease, etc. It is rare that a laying worked colony can be saved. More often one is sacrificing a queen (if an attempt is made to introduce a new queen), and even if successful it takes a lot of time and effort. If time and effort is not an issue, then go for it. But better results will be had if the time and effort is spent working with productive colonies, cutting the loss of a laying worker hive. Woulda/Coulda/Shoulda caught the problem before it got to the laying worker stage when the colony would have been more amenable to being requeened (this is an observation, not a chastisement for letting the problem go too long). For the record, I have had 2 hives get to laying workers this spring. Aaron Morris - thinking too many colonies, not enough time! -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:04:55 +0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Detchon Subject: Size of AFB spores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anybody on the list have a reference to the observed size range of = Paenibacillus larvae var larvae spores? I have been told "1 to 2 = micron". In the archives, Joe Waggle refers to a size range of 2.5 to 5 = micron. My understanding is that they are oblong in shape, so do these sizes = refer to width x length? Peter Detchon Western Australia -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:28:46 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Randy_Oliver?= Subject: queenless colonies, Maxant uncapper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In the past - I have not had good luck with dumping them away from the hive or combining with a queen-right hive. A couple years ago I had the great idea of splitting 250 colonies at the end of almond pollination, and selling off 250 queenright singles, and putting cells into the remaining half to mate out. Worked great until the weather went bad for over a month, and I had 250 singles of laying workers! To make a long, ugly story short, combining laying worker colonies with a queenright unit worked every time. Note that combining always works best during a nectar flow. Re: Maxant chain uncapper I've been thinking about getting one--does anyone have one who can give me feedback on it? Randy Oliver Calif -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:45:18 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Found A Beautiful Feral Colony in a Tree: NOW WHAT? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>...a 5 ft section of tree trunk... 7-8 rows of comb ... with all bees. Nice. >>get the bees to vacate the tree trunk...? You can try smoking them to the point of absconding or use a deterrent such as Bee-Go. Heavy smoking from one end and bee-vaccuming from the other end, will let you collect most bees. >>...is it worth saving the bees? Yes, especially the queen. Save her and evaluate for mites. Better yet, place this colony in an apiary so they can acquire mites, if they don't already have them. Then, at the end of the season, monitor the mite drop from the tree and from your production hives for comparison. I believe the tree will show a smaller drop. If that's the case, transfer the queen from the tree into a production hive and, after a couple of months, check the mite drops. I suspect this production hive will show higher mite drops. >>If so, how do I get them out of one and into a couple of deeps? If you stand up the tree section and place the deeps over it, the queen/bees will in time migrate up. >>It appears to be a magnificent example of how feral bees set up house. And survive without human intervention. Do you know if bees have been in this tree for several years? After you remove the bees, you still have to deal with honey, pollen and brood. All of these have to be removed. Robbing will take care of the honey, ants will remove most of the pollen in short order. They may also remove the brood. You might want to remove the bees in Nov./Dec. when the colony should be broodless (but full of honey and plenty of pollen). As soon as the combs are empty, you'll have to treat them with something to keep wax moth out or the combs will be destroyed quickly and your display will be ruined... Waldemar -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:56:15 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?windows-1252?Q?J._Waggle?=" Subject: Re: Size of AFB spores Comments: To: Peter Detchon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --Does anybody on the list have a reference to the observed size range of Paenibacillus larvae var larvae spores? Hi Peter P. Larvae are 2.5 to 5 microns long by 0.5 microns wide. The spore is oval and approximately twice as long as wide, about 0.6 by 1.3 microns. Refrence: http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/bkCD/Bee_Diseases/Diagnosis.html Best Regards, Joe Waggle ~ Derry, PA ‘Bees Gone Wild Apiaries' Feral Bee Project: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeralBeeProject/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:25:01 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: queenless colonies, Maxant uncapper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Randy & All, >I've been thinking about getting one--does anyone have one who can give me feedback on it? I would buy a Dakota Gunness. I think they are great for the mid size honey producer. They never break down! You can stick your hand in the flails and not get hurt. I have got an autistic person which extracts for me at times and I am not afraid to leave him alone with the machine. The first machine the model fifty works great for one person. Has a slide instead of a conveyer. The model 100 and 200 work best with two people. I believe two people feeding a Dakota Gunness 100 or 200 can uncap faster than a Cowen. The Cowen uncapper has one speed. The speed of the Dakota goes as fast as the people feeding the uncapper. Several frames go through at a time instead of one! One person can run both the 100 and 200 but you need to keep extra switches handy ( wear out with constant turning on and off)as you have to load the entry table and then run through and switch off. Then load the next frames on load side. Walk to the outlet side and load in extractor. then switch the conveyer on( from the outlet side) and run through and then load those into the extractor. Then return to the load side. A conveyer extension (10 foot or longer) helps for the larger producer. Sincerely, Bob Harrison -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:43:06 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: It's Not Too Late ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All Even if you leave it another six weeks, it is not too late to get a place at the Gormanston Summer School... This year it has many attractions, The main lecturer is Richard Ball who is one of the UK's Regional Bees Inspectors. There is a large presence of BIBBA members at this years conference and they will be putting on all sorts of workshops to do with various aspects of queen rearing. There is one downside... If you feel inclined, there is a couple of workshop lectures about creating beekeeping websites easily, you will have to put up with me 'droning on' for those. There is a mass of information on the web about Gormanston, which takes place... Monday 24th July to Saturday 29th July inclusive Most of the information about Gormanston can be accessed by visiting... http://www.gbbg.net/gormanston.html and following the links But the booking form and programme are given here... http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/gormprog2006.html http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/gormreservation2006.html The bus timetable from Dublin Airport, that drops you off at the pub close by the college is available on this link... http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/airportbus.html I look forward to meeting those of you that will attend. -- Regards & Best 73s, Dave Cushman, G8MZY http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman or http://www.dave-cushman.net Short FallBack M/c, Build 6.02/3.1 (stable) -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:55:08 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: queenless colonies, Maxant uncapper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>...putting cells into the remaining half to mate out ... the weather went bad ... and I had 250 singles of laying workers! I'd like to get this straight. Do you mean laying workers or drone-laying queens? I had a late season virgin last year that failed to mate and became a drone-layer in February. >>Note that combining always works best during a nectar flow. My experience, too. Waldemar -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:24:26 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Lehr, Carl" Subject: Laying workers or drone-laying queens? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Waldemar said: >>Do you mean laying workers or drone-laying queens? ---------------------------- Besides the obvious (one's a worker and the other is an old or injured queen), what's the difference in this scenario? We had either a laying worker or a drone-laying queen this past spring after requeening last fall (kinda strange, isn't it?) only to find a horrendous amount of regular worker cells being converted in the middle of two frames to drone cells; beautifully capped and ready to hatch. Requeening yet again solved our problem but can we be sure we didn't have a laying worker laying all those drones? So the question is: can you have a laying worker in the same colony with an infertile queen? Dave Lehr Carroll County, MD -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:50:01 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: It's Not Too Late ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/06/2006 11:11:51 GMT Standard Time, dave.cushman@LINEONE.NET writes: The main lecturer is Richard Ball who is one of the UK's Regional Bees Inspectors. I think that Richard is now the national Bee Inspector. Chris -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info ---