From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 10:28:02 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-90.4 required=2.4 tests=AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0F249084 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SEr0C9013917 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:50 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0608A" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 61840 Lines: 1489 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:40:22 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: MS and bee stings. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can anyone recommend good references and web sites for folks interested in using bee venom therapy (BVT) for treating multiple sclerosis? I am only familiar with Charlie Mraz and his books. An acquaintance is also looking for doctors or practitioners in NY who oversee bee sting therapy application. Is anyone familiar such? Thank you. Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:23:40 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: bill bartlett Subject: Re: MS and bee stings. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Waldemar, That would be Pat Wagner in Waldorf, Maryland, USA. http://www.olg.com/beelady/History.htm This web site should get you started. Bill Bartlett ----- Original Message ----- From: "waldig@netzero.com" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: [BEE-L] MS and bee stings. > Can anyone recommend good references and web sites for folks > interested in using bee venom therapy (BVT) for treating multiple > sclerosis? I am only familiar with Charlie Mraz and his books. > > An acquaintance is also looking for doctors or practitioners in NY > who oversee bee sting therapy application. Is anyone familiar such? > > Thank you. > > Waldemar > Long Island, NY > > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 > > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:58:00 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: MS and bee stings. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, Bill. I've heard of Pat Wagner - did not realize she was in MD. Waldemar Waldemar, That would be Pat Wagner in Waldorf, Maryland, USA. http://www.olg.com/beelady/History.htm This web site should get you started. Bill Bartlett -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:40:09 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dan&jan Subject: Re: MS and bee stings. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a apitherapy.com site -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:08:32 +0100 Reply-To: honeymountain@kilty.demon.co.uk Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: james kilty Organization: honey mountain Subject: Re: Eggs above excluder In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 2006-07-30 at 18:26 -0400, Dick Allen wrote: > Was the original queen from the hive in question > from an open mated source or was she instrumentally inseminated? I cannot discuss this as I was simply reminding members of Murray's post. The original issue was bees moving eggs and I have seen enough evidence that they do, for example, new cells raised after a queen is removed from a hive, in natural swarm cells rather than emergency cells, in cups already drawn but with no eggs in at the time of the queen's removal. Murray's evidence is circumstantial or stronger, but we are talking about obviously rare events, which would have to be researched as such or evidence collected from the List as a start. Other sciences are adept at finding rare events to test some theory or other, but perhaps no-one has set anything up to test the hypothesis that bees can and will collect eggs from another colony. It is not just survival of genes, but survival of a species. In this case, different races of the same basic species were involved. james kilty http://www.honeymountain.co.uk -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:21:21 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Rich Subject: Re: MS and bee stings. Comments: cc: "waldig@netzero.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may want to subscribe to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BeeStingTherapy/ Rich ---- "waldig@netzero.com" wrote: > Can anyone recommend good references and web sites for folks > interested in using bee venom therapy (BVT) for treating multiple > sclerosis? I am only familiar with Charlie Mraz and his books. > > An acquaintance is also looking for doctors or practitioners in NY > who oversee bee sting therapy application. Is anyone familiar such? > > Thank you. > > Waldemar > Long Island, NY > > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 08:00:07 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ruary Rudd Subject: Re: Eggs above excluder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Aebi's is their books describe seeing a bee 'borrow 'an egg from a neighbouring hive Ruary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Borst" > Unless someone has seen this, it's all just guessing. I > would suppose that if this were possible, someone would have seen it by > now. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:45:53 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Reply to Hot bees... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In the last issue of ABJ, there is an article on varroa-vectored viruses that affect honey bees. One of the viruses affects the bees' brain and increases aggresion.... By the way, the article also lists the Deformed Wing Virus (DWV). Not too long ago some folks objected here to the use of the term. ;-) Best regards, Waldemar Galka Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:43:28 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jeff Stevens Subject: Feeding and Robbing Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First of all, thanks to everyone on this list. I've been subscribed for quite a while and it has been quite informative. We are hobby beekeepers of three years. Our blackberry honey has been harvested and I'd like to concentrate on making sure our splits are up to par for going into winter. Relative to our main nectar flow, it's slim pickings in our part of Western Washington. If I were willing to move our hives, we could take advantage of the plentiful fireweed, but I'm not. I've been trying to use a couple types of feeders in our weaker hives, including frame feeders and inverted quart jars with holes in the lids. No matter what, feeding encourages the larger colonies to rob the weaker colonies. The stronger colonies are being fed too. Yesterday I took our uncapping tank about 100 meters from the apiary and poured in a gallon of syrup and and some small pieces of wood to serve as foot holds. I added another gallon last night as it had been almost entirely consumed. The apiary robbing is down to a minimal level and thousands of field bees are happily gorging themselves on the 1:1 sugar mixture 100 meters away in the uncapping tank. Is there anything wrong with this method of feeding? Outside of feeding stations for research, I can't see I've seen a bee text ever suggest anything like this. Of course, I realize I'm feeding other hymenoptera of the area. Actually, it's nice to watch the Bald Faced Hornets in particular. I might change my mind if I saw strange honeybees show up that didn't appear to come from my apiary. Thoughts? -Jeff Western Washington -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 19:52:54 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Feeding and Robbing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jeff & All, Robbing happens after a flow. Reduce entrances on weak hives and hope for the best. Combine weak hives also works. Once robbing becomes the norm for an apiary stopping robbing is hard. Open feeding: Many thoughts around on open feeding. In your case the open feeding is like a honey flow so takes the bees minds off robbing. Good idea and what I have done for years in severe robbing situations (discovered after severe robbing is the norm). I have found when only *open* feeding a large number of hives the strongest colonies get the lions share and the hives which need the feed the worse get short changed. I like to feed each hive with a feeder and only those which need feeding. In my opinion well worth the labor cost. I do like to open feed the last couple weeks before winter to cause italians to plug the brood nest with honey shutting down egg laying of the queen. Others may have different veiws as open feeding is common with commercial beekeepers. Bob -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 19:03:01 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike Stoops Subject: Re: Feeding and Robbing In-Reply-To: <002601c6b697$2919a020$22bc59d8@BusyBeeAcres> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bob Harrison wrote: I like to feed each hive with a feeder and only those which need feeding. In my opinion well worth the labor cost. I like to feed with inverted gallon cans over the opening in the inner cover. Place an empty super or hive body around the gallon can and the the outer cover over the box. Other hives hardly know feeding is taking place. Mike in LA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:17:06 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Greece to Host 1st International Forum on Apitherapy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII GO TO: www.apitherapynews.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: AFEA Congress, 39-41 Lycavittou Str., 10672 Athens, Greece; Tel. +30 210 3668853, Fax. +30 210 3643511, E-Mail: apimedica2006@afea.gr --- Greece to Host 1st International Forum on Apitherapy APIMEDICA 2006 features latest research on medicinal use of bee products (AUGUST 3, 2006) – Beginning October 12, 2006, the 1st International Forum on Apitherapy, the medicinal use of bee hive products, will be held in Athens, Greece. The four-day APIMEDICA 2006 conference is sponsored by the Greek Scientific Apitherapy Center and the International Federation of Beekeepers' Associations (APIMONDIA). Apitherapy is the use of bee hive products such as bee venom, bee-collected pollen, royal jelly, propolis, beeswax, and honey to maintain good health and in the treatment of a variety of medical conditions. (Propolis is a resinous substance collected by bees from plants and trees and is used to coat the inside of the bee hive and the honeycomb cells with an antiseptic layer. Royal jelly is a substance produced by young worker bees and fed to queens.) Hive products has been used medicinally for thousands of years and have recently gained popularity worldwide as ongoing research points to their effectiveness. APIMEDICA 2006 will feature workshop on topics such as “Honey for Wound Healing,” “The Medical and Therapeutic Potential of Propolis,” “Bee Venom Treatment of Multiple Myeloma: A Case Study,” “The Use of Bee Products in Ophthalmology,” “The Chemistry of Royal Jelly,” and “The Therapeutic Value of Bee Pollen.” Satellite symposia will focus on apitherapy applications in specific medical specialties, the laboratory preparation of apitherapy products and “The Bee and Beauty.” Conference organizers say increased resistance of disease-causing agents to modern antibiotics creates an urgent need for efficient alternative treatments such as those used in apitherapy. “Apitherapy not only offers high-quality, efficient alternative treatments, it can also help improve access to medical care for the majority of people worldwide who may not be able to afford the cost of many pharmaceutical products,” said Apimondia President Asger S. Jørgensen. Jørgensen said bee hive products are particularly useful in the developing world because of their low cost and indigenous production. “Conference participants will have the opportunity to learn about the latest research developments from specialists who will outline practical applications of apitherapy in health prevention, hygiene and the treatment of various diseases,” said Dimitris A. Selianakis, president of the Greek Scientific Apitherapy Center. For more information about APIMEDICA 2006, go to: http://www.apimedica2006.gr For more information on apitherapy, go to: www.apitherapy.com, www.apitherapy.org and www.apitherapynews.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 00:30:14 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Bob_Nelson?= Subject: Re: Feeding and Robbing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Robbing is a syndrome that requires a break point as intervention. I agree with all that has been said. I would add that in hive feeders go a long way in preventing robbing but you will still see some rich taking from the poor. I have fed 2-3 gallons to a not necessarily weak or queenless hive and found them not much heavier than when started. The only other suggestion is something you specifically mentioned was not a preferred option and that is a move. Perhaps you could do a bit of moving about within your apiary. This could be swapping strong with weak or outright moving the strong ones to a new spot (they will find a home if hives are in the near proximity). This goes against everything taught about moving bees a certain distance but a mixup is just like a move in causing the bees to reorient. But, with this the source from which they were robbing must be secured (covered in previous post). The move is the stop gap for the syndrome. Bob Nelson Norfolk, NE -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:58:18 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Borst?= Subject: Re: Eggs above excluder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 08:00:07 +0100, Ruary Rudd wrote: >The Aebi's is their books describe seeing a bee 'borrow 'an egg from a >neighbouring hive Greetings First, I do not regard the Aebis as an accurate source of information on the biology of honey bees. They are folksy writers and fun to read, but let's leave it at that. Second, suppose honey bees were to have a trait that causes them to steal eggs to allow the colony to survive the worst case scenario which is loss of the queen and no fertilized eggs left from which to raise one. If they had the egg stealing trait, would this lead to their survival and the perpetuation of this trait? Of course not. They would survive as a colony, but the trait would not be retained because the blood line of the colony has been replaced by that of another colony! Contrast this with the trait for stealing honey from other hives. If colonies lacked this trait, they could starve when they ran out of food supplies; if they have this trait, they gain an advantage. An advantage allows them to outcompete other colonies and therefore the trait would be passed on to future generations. A trait for egg stealing will never be passed on. If the colony simply perishes -- or if it survives by stealing eggs -- the net result is the same: that blood line is finished. Furthermore, we all know that queenless colonies develop laying workers, and the colony will "try" to raise queens from worker eggs. If they "think" they are going to get a queen this way -- then why would they steal eggs? They already have *eggs*. pb -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:09:19 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ruary Rudd Subject: Re: Eggs above excluder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that their writing is anything but scientific but surely what the question is did they see what they said they saw? Ruary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Borst" > First, I do not regard the Aebis as an accurate source of information on > the > biology of honey bees. They are folksy writers and fun to read, but let's > leave it at that. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:51:54 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Larry Krengel Subject: Re: Eggs above excluder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Peter Borst" > First, I do not regard the Aebis as an accurate source of information = on the > biology of honey bees. They are folksy writers and fun to read, but = let's > leave it at that. Hardy agreement. The Aebis' books are a fun read. > If they had the egg stealing trait, would this lead to their survival = and > the perpetuation of this trait? Of course not. They would survive as a > colony, but the trait would not be retained because the blood line of = the > colony has been replaced by that of another colony! This is assuming that the trait is not present in all bees... rather = than just a segment of bees. > Contrast this with the trait for stealing honey from other hives. If > colonies lacked this trait, they could starve when they ran out of = food > supplies; if they have this trait, they gain an advantage.=20 Indeed, this is a ubiquitous trait... as the egg-stealing trait could = be... though it requires certain environmental triggers to be exibited. > Furthermore, we all know that queenless colonies develop laying = workers, and > the colony will "try" to raise queens from worker eggs. If they = "think" they > are going to get a queen this way -- then why would they steal eggs? = They > already have *eggs*.=20 A good point, but there are numerous geneticly-predispositioned = behaviors that are not exhibited except in the presence of specific = environmental triggers. It is possible that the choice of a laying = worker or a stolen egg as a survival technique might be controlled by = environmental conditions. Larry Krengel - thinking that evolution has been made too simple. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:04:22 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Randy_Oliver?= Subject: robbing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "No matter what, feeding encourages the larger colonies to rob the weaker colonies." Jeff, have you tried robbing screens? Essentially a vertical 3/4" piece of lumber on either side of the entrance going up a few inches, with screen across the front. Beetight on all sides except the top. Hive bees learn to detour up to get out or in. Robbers aim toward the colony scent and butt heads against the screen at the entrance. This is the only way we can feed nucs some years. Randy Oliver Calif -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:41:50 -0700 Reply-To: mdshepherd@xerces.org Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Matthew Shepherd (Xerces Society)" Subject: New publications about pollinator conservation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are happy to announce the pubIication of two brochures about pollinator= conservation. In late July, the USDA's National Agroforestry Center published the first= two of a four-issue series on pollinator conservation in Agroforestry= Notes. Written by Mace Vaughan and Scott Black of the Xerces Society for= Invertebrate Conservation, these technical notes are designed to provide= professional agroforesters (and those interested in agroforestry= practices) with the information they need to design or adjust agroforestry= plantings to have the greatest benefit to native bees and, subsequently,= other pollinators. Agroforestry Notes #32 provides an overview of the habitat needs of= crop-pollinating native bees. Agroforestry Notes #33 addresses more specifically how nectar and pollen= sources. Both of these can be down loaded as PDF files from the Xerces Society's= website, at= http://www.xerces.org/Pollinator_Insect_Conservation/Agroforestry_Notes.htm= Two further issues of Agroforestry Notes due out this fall will discuss= providing nest sites (# 34) and pesticide refugia (# 35) in locations like= riparian buffers, wind breaks, forest farms, silvopasture, or alley crops.= For more information on the National Agroforestry Center and to see these= and other publications, please visit their website:= http://www.unl.edu/nac/index.htm. ______________________________________________________ The Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation Protecting wildlife through science-based advocacy, education, and conservation projects since 1971. To join the Society, make a contribution, or read about our work, please visit www.xerces.org. Matthew Shepherd Director, Pollinator Conservation Program 4828 SE Hawthorne Boulevard, Portland, OR 97215, USA Tel: 503-232 6639 Fax: 503-233 6794 Email: mdshepherd@xerces.org ______________________________________________________ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:56:00 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: George Fergusson Subject: Re: robbing In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was going to suggest the same thing. They do work. Here are some pictures: http://nordykebeefarm.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17&PN=1 These can simply be screwed on when needed. A thin strip of wood can be used to close the top off too should you want to move your hives. George- Randy Oliver wrote: > Jeff, > have you tried robbing screens? -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 05:10:53 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Study: Honey 'Might Revolutionize' Treatment of Severe Infection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Fournier's Gangrene: Report of Thirty-Three Cases and a Review of the Literature International Journal of Urology, 2006 Jul;13(7):960-7 GO TO: www.apitherapynews.com Fournier's gangrene (FG) is an extensive fulminant infection of the genitals, perineum or the abdominal wall. The aim of this study is to share our experience with the management of this difficult infectious disease. Thirty-three male patients were admitted to our clinic with the diagnosis of FG between February 1988 and December 2003... Traditionally, good management is based on aggressive debridement, broad-spectrum antibiotics, and intensive supportive care but unprocessed honey might revolutionize the treatment of this dreadful disease by reducing its cost, morbidity, and mortality. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 07:42:39 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Steve Bonine Subject: Poor choice of tree to crash into In-Reply-To: <20060730201245.30014.qmail@web51605.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Angry bees attack crashed car in Indiana , OSSIAN, IND. - A teenage driver crashed into a hollow tree and stirred up tens of thousands of angry honeybees, creating a swarm that sent her and nine others to the hospital. "Those bees were mad," said Volunteer Fire Chief Kent Gilbert, who was stung at least 50 times while trying to pull the 16-year-old driver from the wreckage. "I've never seen bees, especially honeybees, attack like that." Jacqueline Cossairt's SUV hit the tree Tuesday after she lost control on a gravel road about 10 miles south of Fort Wayne. By the time rescuers arrived, a black cloud of buzzing bees had engulfed the car, forcing firefighters to wear full safety gear -- complete with oxygen tanks and face masks -- with temperatures ! in the 90s. Safety workers doused the bees with water and foam while they tried to free Cossairt, who was taken to a nearby hospital with broken legs and multiple stings. She remained at Lutheran Hospital on Thursday. A neighbor, a paramedic and seven firefighters also were hospitalized for bee stings and heat-related symptoms. "You can't really train for that. You don't really know. You look for downed power lines. You don't look for a million bees," said Master Trooper Bob Brophy, commander of the Indiana State Police's Fort Wayne post. Bee expert Stan Grove, a biology professor at Goshen College, said the insects are most active in warm weather when they furiously fan their wings to cool the temperature of the hive. "They don't like to be jostled," Grove said. ASSOCIATED PRESS -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:54:28 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "James W. Hock" Subject: Robbing Mating Nucs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've lost several mating nucs to robbing this year. So far, I have = found that setting up a hive body into two nucs is working the best for = me. Still it is hit an miss. I am working in all medium boxes, = anything less than four frames full of bees can't seem to defend itself. = Has any one come up with a robber screen device that will allow the = mated queen to enter? Jim Hock Wethersfield, CT -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:31:38 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jeff Stevens Subject: Re: Feeding and Robbing In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Many thoughts around on open feeding. I had been looking through books and the Web for "feeding stations" and "feeders", thus my perceived lack of information on open feeding. I just hadn't stumbled across the correct term: "open feeding". There is a terrific amount of information available on the topic. One just needs to know what to look for! > Robbing is a syndrome that requires a break point as intervention. What is meant by a break point? > The only other suggestion is something you specifically mentioned was not > a preferred option and that is a move. Perhaps you could do a bit of > moving about within your apiary. This could be swapping strong with weak > or outright moving the strong ones to a new spot (they will find a home if > hives are in the near proximity). By this you mean swapping the location of a weak have and a strong hive while the foragers are out? The idea being the weak hive will accept the foragers returning from the field? I've done this during a strong flow to balance out populations between new hives. During a dearth, wouldn't the bees be too defensive for this to work well? Also, simply moving strong hives will lessen robbing? Is this also due to the redistribution of field bees into other weaker colonies? > have you tried robbing screens? These look quite useful. I'll have to make some up and give them a try. Certainly, I prefer to feed each hive individually. Mostly, I've been using inverted quart jars covered by a hive body. For some reason, even though they were hidden, it still lead to severe robbing. Open feeding has really resolved the situation. Over the past couple days I've worked with a few different techniques. This morning I used something closer to a 2:1 sugar:water solution. Apparently, it's more difficult for bees to actually get wet and drown with the thicker syrup. I'll know more tomorrow if this is in fact the case. It appears to be so far. Instead of the wooden floats I used for a couple days, I tried straw. I set three fluffy inches atop the sugar solution. Likewise, the straw should stay fairly dry with the higher sugar content. Again, I'll know more tomorrow how this works out. I've already encountered one problem with the use of straw. It's very difficult for the bees to locate the sugar solution. The addition of a very small amount of Honey B Healthy (2 tsp in several gallons of sugar solution) helped significantly. The bees are currently feeding *very* well. The apiary feels and shows the signs of a strong nectar flow. There is a steady river of bees flowing from our North pasture, over our garage, into our front yard where the apiary is. Quite a sight. I've been feeding some hives with quart jars as well. Hopefully I can go from open feeding back to feeding individual hives without robbing becoming an issue again. As usual, I'll be reducing entrances and covering the jars with hive bodies. -Jeff Western Washington State -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:25:37 -0500 Reply-To: rwnelson@conpoint.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Robert and Mary Jo Nelson Subject: Re: Feeding and Robbing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >What is meant by a break point? > Perhaps not the best choice of terminology but what I meant is a point or intervention to interrupt the event. If left unchecked it will continue and evolve into something larger. The open feeding you mentioned doing was that 'break point' or maybe stop gap would be more appropriate. Problem with that is it is a bit more of a bit of the same and does not necessarily help the weaker colonies as much as the strong ones. >By this you mean swapping the location of a weak have and a >strong hive while the foragers are out? Yes. >The idea being the weak hive will accept the foragers >returning from the field? Less that and more the foragers or robbers no longer have their strong hive to stimulate and propagate more robbing. >I've done this during a strong flow to balance out >populations between new hives. During a dearth, wouldn't the >bees be too defensive for this to work well? There is some risk of that. It would be lessened with the open feeding as it is like a flow and everyone is in a better mood. >Also, simply moving strong hives will lessen robbing? I would not go so far as to say 'simply' but the move is the stop gap or break point mentioned above. Given the same opportunities once moved the robbing will start all over again. >Is this also due to the >redistribution of field bees into other weaker colonies? Less that and more the disruption to stop the robbing. >> have you tried robbing screens? > >These look quite useful. I'll have to make some up and give them a try. > >Certainly, I prefer to feed each hive individually. I have never used them either. With nuc production through the season they look to have a place. An individualized approach is useful and efficient to tweak the stragglers if time and numbers allow. >This morning I used something closer to a 2:1 sugar:water >solution. Apparently, it's more difficult for bees to >actually get wet and drown with the thicker syrup. And more appropriate to put weight on the hives as they have less water to evaporate off. Keep an eye on them later on as this seems a bit early to be bulking them out for winter. Make sure they do not eat it all up this fall. >Instead of the wooden floats I used for a couple days, I tried straw. Medium sized sticks about 1 foot taller than the container set at angles work really well too. They want to float but as the syrup is drawn down they rest on the edges and serve a ladder. Bob Nelson ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at conpoint.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:08:13 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Agriculture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is all of agriculture tied together? Can one part hurt without hurting all the others? Can several parts hurt without hurting general population? Can someone explain what is going on in Calif now with crops coming in out of tune with normal production schedules, besides cattle hurting also? Are bees hurting there also do to heat? Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:43:20 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: K&W Jarrett Subject: Re: Agriculture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dee, > __________________________________________________ > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 05:03:35 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: Agriculture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 06/08/2006 04:44:25 GMT Standard Time, cnhoney@JPS.NET writes: Not only did we set record rain fall and low temps this spring ,this summer is setting records as well.It's been the toughest year in the past forty from what I have heard from old timers.But that's mother nature, It may not be entirely Mother Nature. Climates/extreme weather events are changing world wide and I understand your Governor has recently expressed concerns about global warming. Here in the UK we had an unseasonal very cold spell in March which put paid to the early spring build up. January, April, June and July this year have been the driest this millenium. In this area at least (southern UK) it will be a poor year for honey, although some have done well where situated in river valleys where the water table is still reasonable. I expect my average crop/hive will be about half of what it was 2 years ago. Chris -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:01:34 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Randy_Oliver?= Subject: Calif weather Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can someone explain what is going on in Calif now with crops coming in out of tune with normal production schedules Hi Dee It's been a wild ride in Calif. Right now I have a persimmon tree coming back into bloom after having bloomed and lost fruit early this spring! Our normal nectar and pollen flows were topsy-turvy. Manzanita started a month early, and bloomed a month late. Normal spring flows were nonexistent in some areas, while at other elevations, at the same time, flooded colonies with unexpected thin nectar to the extend that the queens couldn't lay. Agricultural reports from the growers have all been question marks, wondering how their crops will turn out. The heat was tough, but in my limited experience, strong colonies near water fared well. Weak splits that I moved to the Valley floor for safflower got hit hard--one died completely, and the rest lost brood in the combs. All seem to be recovering now, but the bloom during the heat was compressed into a few days. The bees missed it, because all the were carrying was water. The heat also affected soil moisture, which will likely have an effect on star thistle and blue curl. I don't know how late summer flows will be affected. I don't have many bees down in the Valley, so I hope another beekeeper can answer your questions about the majority of Calif bees. Randy Oliver -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:56:56 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: John & Christy Horton Subject: Open feeding bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some tips on open feeding:: Use THICK straw....I use at least 4 inches in my barrels..more like double that...lightly packed. Using thick straw you wont drown many bees. If you use old or real thin straw that is kindve powdery, it will absorb the syrup and you will drown bees. i put my drums that I open feed with in the shade or paint them light...If they are a dark color they may absorb the suns heat and heat up one side causing the bees to all go to the opposite side and cause an increase in drowning. Go slowly with the open feeding. "learning curve". You can overdo it (make them honeybound-not having room to lay eggs). I put my barrels at least 200 feet away, but I think this may not be totally necessary John in UA -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:07:28 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Agriculture In-Reply-To: <000701c6b90a$774c2bd0$6c61f504@wendyf10934cd0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keith Jarrett writes: this summer is setting records as well.It's been the toughest year in the past forty from what I have heard from old timers. Reply: Very tough from what I am hearing in Calif over here. Any truth to rumors that heat did in fields of veggies, and fruit trees ripened early and need picking to salvage (plums,peaches,pears, nectarines, etc), and to save that some large farms are now short 200-300 workers for early field work to salvage what they can with worker supply being short 20-30% for field hands? Also that all this may cause increase in veggie produce/fruit prices due to reduced crops along with less seed for veggie planting next year? Also, any idea on how this will effect our bee industry? Any one able to verify or put aside any of what is starting to go round? Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:00:29 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: K&W Jarrett Subject: Re: Agriculture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dee, What your hearing from Calif. is uniformity true. Plums, peaches, = nectarines and a few other orchard crops are coming all at once, also = the labor shortage isn't helping matters. As far as seed production goes, I was down today treating bees (mites), = in carrot, onion, artichoke, squash, pumpkin & vines seed the farmers = said this morning that the seed crops look good. But tomatoes and = peppers took a beating during that heat wave. As far as the bee industry goes here, this year has been like taking a = train ride on a dirt road. Hope this fall we can all get back on track. = When you go though a year like this one , it sure makes you appreciate = the good ones that much more. P.S it time for mite treatments again, good luck. Keith Jarrett Calif. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:40:14 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Agriculture In-Reply-To: <000e01c6b9cd$a55dcce0$d75df604@wendyf10934cd0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keith Jarrett writes: As far as the bee industry goes here, this year has been like taking a train ride on a dirt road. Hope this fall we can all get back on track. When you go though a year like this one , it sure makes you appreciate the good ones that much more. Reply: Understand. First half here, just as there, no ground cover, with no cactus (prickly pear) and acacia(mesquite/catsclaw, white & yellow thorn), palo verde, ironwood bloom etc here which are normally continuous main flow from April - 1stJul. All honey was left with bees, to keep them strong for hopefully fall flow reverse, like has happened, only every so many decades or so. With first monsoon rains Jul came bad flooding here our area, but surviving that, bloom now coming on. With the bloom, believe it or not, it's like April starting again with out of timing bloom on stuff above that didn't bloom in spring with exception of prickly pear cactus. So we have fingers crossed fall will make up short fall from first half. But broodnests have long way to fill first, and then comes our take, to keep our bees strong. But see extracting seriously starting Sep. continuing: P.S it time for mite treatments again, good luck. Reply: Thankfully don't have to worry about that, as we are SC without the usage of all treatments, and managed to keep our hives okay by not taking any honey first half, feeding back to bees all we could while balancing yards. Thankfully we practice unlimited broodnests with accompanying honey/pollen storage. We took it to the quik with our bees. But managed to keep them fed and insulated best we could until weather broke first part Jul. Many locally lost bees I heard when I talked to local bee supply house due to swarming out on splits where trying to make up numbers/or just hold bees. And don't hear much of any crop around at all having been made. But have heard many forced into feeding to try to keep bees alive until they can get forage on own. Max Hambry by the way,did visit us from Calif this spring, and he went to bees with us and got to see just how bad the bloom was with no prickly pear nor mesquite etc blooming much if at all. So with rain here now finally, then hopefully you should be getting it shortly too, and hopefully bloom. Don't know what to say about treatments to you. For treating means many times not taking honey when so desperately needed. Just something our industry has to get out of doing IMPOV.But I sure hope you get back on track with bees in your area. Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:04:45 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Agriculture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris wrote: > It may not be entirely Mother Nature. Agree absolutely. We are all now seeing the effects of global warming which I, along with most of the world's leading scientists, are firmly convinced is down to greenhouse gases produced through man's activites - but let's not argue that one yet again. A point that I would make is that there is no such thing, or person, as 'Mother Nature' and to ascribe the world's problems to her simply avoids facing up to the real cause of the problem - us! Best wishes Peter Edwards sweltering in Stratford-upon-Avon beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:55:10 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Brad_Young?= Subject: ApiGuard, Menthol and Requeening- How to do all three? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, A little history of myself is below if you want to read it. Otherwise, my basic question is this: I live in Southeast Nebraska, about 20 miles south of Omaha. I want to treat my five hives (I'm a hobbyist, obviously) with Apiguard, menthol, and also requeen 3 of them this summer/fall. Apiguard and menthol both rely on warmer temps to work properly, as you know. Menthol should be left on for 28 days, according to the manufacturer, and Apiguard is a total of 4-5 weeks in two treatments. Can they both be done at the same time, during August, or would that be too much foriegn vapor for the bees and cause them to abscond, or die? Secondly, can I requeen while one or both of these medications are being administered? If I did each of them one at a time, we would be well into September and pushes October before I would be done, which is fine, if the weather holds. We usually have pretty warm weather through September, so prehaps it would work, but I wouldn't want to wait that long to requeen, would I? Thanks for any help you can provide. Brad Young Plattsmouth, NE History: I am returning to Hobbyist Beekeeping after a 3 year hiatus. I live in SE Nebraska, 20 miles due south of Omaha. In my previous beekeeping history, I had difficulty keeping my hives alive over winter, and got discouraged. After a few years of thinking about it, reading about it, and talking to other beekeepers, I now realize the fault was difinitely my own, so I am back with a renewed attitude and determination to care for the bees properly. That has brought me here. In short, I kept my bees in a very exposed location to sun and wind (on a hill top with no trees), I did not water them, I seldom treated for trachea mites, I did not feed enough in fall or move the honey filled frames to the center of the hive where the bees could get them. All-in-all, I should be banned from keeping bees, and perhaps that what I did in my self-imposed hiatus the last 3 years. However, by good fortune or happenstance, I have five hives this year, two from swarms, and 3 that I bought from another hobbyist that 'needed a break'. I have them in a more sheltered location- just mere yards from my basement door- I water daily, or as needed, and am about to start my fall medication. As luck would have it, I came to find, just before the honey flow started, that two of the hives I bought still had an apistan strip in them from the fall before, so I decided to use Apiguard this fall as an alternative to possibly resistant mites. It is the gel formula. I also want to treat with menthol for trachea mites, and requeen 3 of the five hives whose queens I don't know the age of. Thanks for any advice on the medication schedule I should follow. -Brad Young -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:30:52 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Fredericksen Subject: Re: Agriculture Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here in Minnesota we've had an early spring with extreme-exceptional drought in the NW part of the state and normal precip in the SE portion of the state. Most beekepers in central and southern part of the state are reporting a monster honey season. We've had just enough rain here in central MN to keep forage plants alive. A decent flow started around 6/20 and still has not let up with 120-150 pound averages common. I hear locally that the honey crop is so poor in the Dakota's that some beekeepers have pulled out early. Also hearing wholesale prices of $1.25 and up with what appears to be a small US honey crop for 2006. At least prices may be up for those with a small crop. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:53:13 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?windows-1252?Q?J._Waggle?=" Subject: Allogrooming Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Would someone please direct me towards information or research concerning allogrooming, where I can obtain a detailed description of allogrooming and other such behaviors that may be associated with allogrooming? Or bee labs having done research in this area that I may seek information? Thanks in advance! Been assessing and breeding from some of my colonies for a few years that were captured from the feral population. In breeding from my best performers, I like to look for traits that are ‘most prevalent’ in the out performers that may be contributing; e.g. high brood viability, hygienic abilities, and add the traits as part of my colony evaluation process. Due to the prevalence of allogrooming observed in the out performers, I am going to add this trait to my selection criteria. Interesting that some colonies exhibit intense allogrooming and some not so intense, some colonies exhibit allogrooming by solicitation and still others by non solicitation (seemingly by force), and still others initiate grooming by both means. I have noticed that the trait is easily passed on, so this indicates that there may be potential to intensify the prevalence of the trait even further. I have also observed that allogrooming in a colony does not seem to be associated with auttogrooming, so there seems much to consider in selecting for this trait. Best Wishes, Joe -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:24:35 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Allogrooming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://tinyurl.com/no9hk -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:53:03 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Huge Alaskan Oil Field Shutting Down MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Huge Alaskan Oil Field Shutting Down BP Finds Corrosion and Spill; 400,000 Barrels a Day to Be Halted By MARY PEMBERTON, AP ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Aug. 7) -- Oil company BP scrambled Monday to assess suspected pipeline corrosion that will shut shipments from the nation's biggest oilfield, removing about 8 percent of daily U.S. crude production and driving oil prices sharply higher. For more info read: http://articles.news.aol.com/business/_a/huge-alaskan-oil-field-shutting-down/20060806210309990013?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Just thought I'd post, so you all know how pleasant it will be getting to work our bees. Regards, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info ---