From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 10:29:29 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-90.4 required=2.4 tests=AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3FA49090 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SEr0CJ013917 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:50 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0608C" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 50466 Lines: 1287 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:44:31 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hugo_Thone?= Subject: Re: new queen takes 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You guys almost made me doubt. Today I checked the hive again and .... YESSS a saw the "unwilling queen" again (marked white 6) and .... YESSS there are lots of eggs. Which brings me back to my question "Why does a young mated queen stop laying eggs when introduced in a new colony, and why does she wait about 25 days before she begins to do what she ought to do : producing eggs ?" cheers, Hugo (half a bee) -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:45:24 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Do queens need R and R? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Trevor, >>From my own experience, I keep about 5 of the best producers from one year for use in my breeding program. How many drone colonies do you maintain and what criteria do you use for your drone colonies? >>I know this because I have a record of the number of supers that come off hives because of my barrier system. I'd interested in learning more about your barrier system - please elaborate. I've seen row operations where the row end colonies had mediocare queens but still produced the most because the workforce numbers where greatly augmented by drifting bees. Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:55:36 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lionel Subject: Re: new queen takes 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hugo and all, Just as I said in the first reply, there may have been a dearth of nectar and/or pollen. If there is not enough of both, she will not start laying until there is a supply coming into the hive. Sometimes you need to feed when a new queen is introduced to have a good start. Was there plenty of both coming in at the time? Is the hive well populated? Where do you have the bee yard? And then there is just the fact that we cannot change nature to suit our thoughts and therefore control her actions. I would guess that was the situation with this girl. Lionel North AL. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:55:19 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Walter Zimmermann Subject: the queen excluder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: -the queen excluder has a main purpose and that is to keep the queen in her respective location. -the reasons for using the excluders for that purpose are many. -one of those reasons is to keep her from laying in the honey supers. some leave the excluder in place all season and some remove the excluder once there is enough brood/bees, allowing her to move up and lay, claiming that she won't go very high once honey fills the combs. Questions: Who does what and for what reason? Plastic vs. Wire excluders Will and do excluders reduce the efficiency of honey storage in a super? Walter Little Wolf Apiaries Ontario -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:48:53 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: ROBERT RAUCH Subject: Re: the queen excluder In-Reply-To: <373.88b41b5.32136487@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, I do not use excluders on a regular basis however do carry a few with me for various purposes. This spring I was exchanging out old comb in the brood boxes at one of my yards and by chance spotted the queen in 4 out of 20 hives at that location. On an impulse, I inserted a queen excluder and added two supers. Those 4 hives had not yet filled the two supers when the other hives in the yard were working on the fourth box. I mainly feel the excluders restrict brood laying in the early season too much unless I reverse hive boxes often. I do use them frequently to isolate brood above just prior to making splits and to locate a hot queen by inserting them a few days before a major teardown. Bob Rauch West Central Missouir Bob Rauch -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:34:56 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ron & Eefje Subject: Re: the queen excluder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [BEE-L] the queen excluder > Plastic vs. Wire excluders > > Walter Apart from the plastic and wire excluders that you named there are also other types. I have some made from sheet metal, having oblong slots pressed in them. One type is okay because part of the metal out of the slots is folded back, creating nice round edges and nice slots for the bees to manoeuvre through. The other type is less suited, with sharp edges as a result of the pressed-out metal, on which the bees would scrape and cut themselves. The metal wire excluders are stiff and hold an even distance from the frames below and above them, the plastic might sag and easily get glued with propolis or wax to the frames in the brood box. The wire excluders also have the advantage of a lager area where the bees can move through than the other types. The plastic type in my possession is really not that good either, since is also has fairly sharp edges left in the slots from the pressing process. So I use metal wire excluders when honey supers are added. Ron van Mierlo -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:49:02 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dan&jan Subject: Re: the queen excluder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find that metal or plastic excluders will more likely be "glued down" by the bees. When one attempts to remove them they bend and sometimes will pop. This really upsets the bees on them. I prefer the wired with the wooden frame Dan Veilleux in the mountains of NC zone 6a -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:32:09 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: the queen excluder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>she won't go very high once honey fills the combs. Questions: Who does what and for what reason? To be sure super frames are free of brood AT THE TIME of extraction. >>Plastic vs. Wire excluders I've only used plastic. Heard wires can pull apart in handling and give queens access. >>Will and do excluders reduce the efficiency of honey storage in a super? Not is you create an entrace bet. the bottom super and the excluder and block off the bottom entrance leaving there only a small opening for drones' use. Waldemar Long Island, NY Walter Little Wolf Apiaries Ontario -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:34:41 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: W.T.Kelley to Stay Open MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All: Well, since I haven't seen it in the bee magazines since posted that the hospital was looking for renters/buyers for W.T.Kelley, I called to see what was happening. The hospital decided to keep it open, and this was published in local papers there. Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:49:08 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Honey Used to Preserve Skin Grafts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Honey Used to Preserve Skin Grafts GO TO: www.apitherapynews.com Georgian Medical News, 2006 Jun;(135):117-20 This study provides a description of the functional changes occurring in rat skin grafts preserved at 4 C in natural honey during 3, 7, 14, 30 days. To determine of the preserved skin viability we used the physiological test by measurement of O(2) consumption rate in the culture media... Based on our investigation we can conclude that preservation method - meliteration is effective storage procedure for transplantation means (satisfactory viability preserved about 2-3 weeks)... -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:34:56 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Adrian M. Wenner" Subject: Africanized bees at airports In-Reply-To: <002c01c6ad67$70832f00$2d836a58@office> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yesterday's edition (8/16) of the WALL STREET JOURNAL has a front page article, "Bees on a Plane are a Real-Life Problem Vexing Some Pilots." That article summarizes some of the problems that result when Africanized bee swarms move into or onto planes. Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 963-8508 (home office phone) 967 Garcia Road wenner@lifesci.ucsb.edu Santa Barbara, CA 93103 www.beesource.com/pov/wenner/index.htm “Why must everything have a purpose? Why can't things just happily exist for no purpose at all.” Pot-shot #9886, Copyright by Ashleigh Brilliant -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:19:41 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Diotima Booraem Subject: WSJ.com - Bees on a Plane Are A Real-Life Problem Vexing Some Pilots Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: INLINE *Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified. Hi folks, I don't post here usually, but I do have a subscription to the WSJ, and can provide this link to the article noted by Adrian Wenner. The link will be good for 7 days for non-subscribers. 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Be sure to highlight the entire Web address, even if it spans more than one line in your email. 2. Select Copy from the Edit menu at the top of your screen. 3. Launch your Web browser. 4. Paste the address into your Web browser by selecting Paste from the Edit menu. 5. Click Go or press Enter or Return on your keyboard. ******************** -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:28:48 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Morris Gridley Sr Organization: Information Boulevard 1-877-INFOBLV Subject: Tylan -AFB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have a simple way of mixing Tylon for treatment of AGB. The first batch I bought had expired date. Instruction for aplication for small number of hives (10)is all I need . In talking to the company they said that I would have to purchase a Metric scale. A drugest I talked to was concerned on mixing the product completely. Morris Gridley -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:37:26 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Getting honey out of feral combs... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Often when removing a colony from a home, I save many nice honey combs. When I get home, I put the honey combs into a nylon mesh bag in a plastic pail, mash the combs with a 4" dia. tall jar (have found the tall jar to work best), suspend the mesh bag above the pail, and let the honey drip down into the pail overnight. The way I do it, not every comb gets mashed completely and there is still some honey left in unbroken comb pieces at the end of the dripping period. Does anyone have 'perfect' way to mash the combs completely or to get the honey out of virgin honey comb? I thought about placing the comb bag in an extractor to spin out the rest of the honey but I'm sure the unbalanced weight in the basket will cause the extractor to jolt violently... Thank you. Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:55:28 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Morris Subject: Re: Getting honey out of feral combs... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/17/2006 1:49:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, waldig@NETZERO.COM writes: Does anyone have 'perfect' way to mash the combs completely or to get the honey out of virgin honey comb? I thought about placing the comb bag in an extractor to spin out the rest of the honey but I'm sure the unbalanced weight in the basket will cause the extractor to jolt violently... Not sure of a " perfect way" but Brushy Mountain sells an extractor that you can get as an accessory a set of three bags that fit in the extractor for the purpose of extracting honey from cappings. If you were to cut up the comb, this might work. Tim Morris Leoma, Tennessee -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:02:53 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Getting honey out of feral combs... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just put them into swarm ketching frames and use cappings fork and extract as normal. No Problem. Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:22:59 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Africanized bees at airports In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Adrian writes: That article summarizes some of the problems that result when Africanized bee swarms move into or onto planes. Reply: Maybe so and maybe not. Seems more like problems that result when honeybees in general swarm into or onto planes, as more and more their habitat is taken away from them and they have no place else to go. Don't like the bees for any reason being where they are.........just name them africanized any more it would seem.. Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:15:05 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: WSJ.com - Bees on a Plane Are A Real-Life Problem Vexing Some Pilots In-Reply-To: <24139040.1155831581321.JavaMail.tomcat@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All If required, I can provide a .pdf of the whole story, by direct Email, along with more photos. Regards & Best 73s, Dave Cushman, G8MZY http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman or http://www.dave-cushman.net Short FallBack M/c, Build 6.02/3.1 (stable) -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:07:42 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: John & Christy Horton Subject: the queen excluder-Taste? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know if there is any taste difference in honey that comes from comb that has had brood in it(and therefore cocoons) and honey from combs that have never had any brood in it? john Horton N Ala -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:03:54 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: the queen excluder-Taste? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>any taste difference in honey that comes from comb that has had brood in it ... and ... from combs that have never had any brood in it? I believe not. Upon brood emergence, bees propolise and polish the cell inside walls. Also, a lot of nectar is initially deposited in brood cells and as it ripens is moved up into the supers. If brood comb influences the honey taste at all, one should not taste a difference. Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:10:22 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Chalkbrood resistance. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've volunteered to take care of an observation hive at a local nature center. It's a 3 frame unit and it has chalkbrood. What is the best course of corrective action? Should I requeen it with a resitant race of bees? Would a Minnesota Hygienic queen be the way to go? My hives have never shown chalkbrood; I may have resistant bees or my hives have never been exposed to the fungus. I believe an observation hive is a better environment for the fungus to thrive, too. Thank you. Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:59:15 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re-queening MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A while ago there was some discussion on re-queening by running a = newly-emerged virgin into the entrance of a hive with some smoke. I = believe that a success rate of around 70% was given. I have tried the technique, but have not had such a high success rate - = more like 25%. Questions: How does the new queen behave when run in? Does she immediately seek = out and kill the resident queen, or does she mate first? Does she = always kill the resident queen, or do they sometimes co-exist for a time = as in normal supersedure? Is the method less likely to be successful if the colony is yellow and = the virgin black? Would the success rate be higher if the old queen was removed before = running in the virgin? Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:49:13 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: the queen excluder-Taste? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uncapping may damage the cell walls and release faeces into the honey. I believe that studies have shown that honey from brood comb is darker than that from brood free comb (no references - sorry). Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:26:28 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Francis_Fedrizzi?= Subject: Bee Identification Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm looking for a resource that will show pictures of the various bee races and their distinguishing characteristics. Is anyone aware of such a resource? -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:24:45 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Allen Subject: Re: the queen excluder-Taste? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: honey picking up color from dark comb. Maybe a bit darker, but not by a tremendous amount. I sometimes place darkened brood comb in supers, as those brood combs have not been subjected to medications. From what I’ve personally seen, there isn’t any difference in the color of extracted honey. In Coggshall/Morse book ‘Beeswax’, the authors address that issue. They point out that a misleading demonstration is to place a piece of old, dark comb in a jar and pour water around it. After 30 to 45 minutes the water darkens, thereby “proving” that old comb darkens honey. What the authors point out is that honey and water are different. They also cite the work of G. F. Townsend published in ‘Bee Culture’, 1974 “Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood comb”. Townsend, the authors report, showed fully ripe honey actually picks up relatively little color, although the amount could be measured. Regards, Dick Allen -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:27:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Keith B. Forsyth" Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Organization: Keith B. Forsyth Subject: Re: [WL] [BEE-L] Tylan -AFB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You may wish to visit Gary Reuter's(University of Minnesota) site: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~reute001/htm-files/tylan.html > Does anyone have a simple way of mixing Tylon for treatment of AGB. = The=20 > first batch I bought had expired date. Instruction for aplication for = small=20 > number of hives (10)is all I need . In talking to the company they = said that=20 > I would have to purchase a Metric scale. A drugest I talked to was = concerned=20 > on mixing the product completely. >=20 > Morris Gridley=20 >=20 > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:02:30 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Allen Subject: Re: the queen excluder-Taste? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Whooops! that should have read Bee World not Bee Culture in that last post of mine. This is what Cogghall/Morse list in the bibliography of their book 'Beeswax'. Townsend, G. F. Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood comb, Bee World 55:26-27. 1974. Regards, Dick Allen -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:24:03 +1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: queenbee Subject: Re: Re-queening MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Edwards asked > Would the success rate be higher if the old queen was removed before > running in the virgin? Many years ago when Brian Sheriff was out here in Australia, he was telling me of how he used to purchase virgin queens for requeening. He used to run the virgin in the front entrance around dark with the help of some smoke. As I recall he used to remove the old queen. He was saying he had very good success rates. Maybe you could contact Brian to see if he is still doing this. If not, he could give you some hints on how he did it. Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA Coming to Apimondia in Australia in 2007? -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:10:16 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: John & Christy Horton Subject: Re: Bee Identification MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brother Adam has a book that I have that identifies many races. It also delves into crossbreeding of various races. I highly recommend it as educational and facinating. It is: "Breeding the Honeybee" by Brother Adam John Horton N Ala -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:43:41 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: Bee Identification In-Reply-To: <000d01c6c3dc$40eec890$65e84cd8@HortonFamily> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi John Bro. Adam's book, attaches behaviours to various races of bee, but there is little in it that will help you to identify bees. That morphometric work was done mainly by Ruttner and is written up in 'Biogeography and Taxonomy of Honeybees'. Some very good drawings of different races exist, drawn by Gezeichnet von M. Wimmer, but I do not know of a source on the web. The pictures are published in one of the 'hive and the honeybee' editions, I think the one by Grout in 1946. Regards & Best 73s, Dave Cushman, G8MZY http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman or http://www.dave-cushman.net Short FallBack M/c, Build 6.02/3.1 (stable) -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:11:26 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: the queen excluder-Taste? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is what Cogghall/Morse list in the bibliography of their book 'Beeswax'. Townsend, G. F. Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood comb, Bee World 55:26-27. 1974. Looking at the original article, I see that, at paragraph 1 'Honey extracted from dark combs is usually darker than that extracted from light combs in the same super (honey chamber). At paragraph 3 Mr Townsend describes an experiment in which honeys of various moisture content were mixed with dark or light comb and stored under various conditions that he describes. The light comb was one year old drawn in supers; the dark had been used fro brood rearing for a number or years. A heavy precipitation developed in the samples containing 50 & 75 % water in contact with dark comb. The concluding sentence reads 'Sufficient evidence was obtained to indicate that the turbidity found in some honeys may be due to the addition of suspended material in the fresh nectar from dark combs when stored in them.' Chris -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:22:02 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Re-queening MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trevor wrote > Many years ago when Brian Sheriff was out here in Australia, he was > telling me of how he used to purchase virgin queens for requeening. Many thanks - I have emailed Brian. Must now search the archives for previous posts on this subject! Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:58:12 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: Bee Identification MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 20/08/2006 14:03:07 GMT Standard Time, dave.cushman@LINEONE.NET writes: Some very good drawings of different races exist, drawn by Gezeichnet von M. Wimmer, but I do not know of a source on the web. The pictures are published in one of the 'hive and the honeybee' editions, I think the one by Grout in 1946. I have the 1949 revision of the 1946 book. It contains an article on Races of Bees by A.Z.Abushady in which he compares and contrasts what he calls Standard Bees (Carniolan, Caucasian and Italian) with Native Bees which he clased as brown, Egyptian and Cyprian; however, there are no pictures. Chris -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:25:58 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: the queen excluder-Taste? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>Townsend, the authors report, showed fully ripe honey actually picks up relatively little color, although the amount could be measured. A lot of nectar, with its higher water content, is initially deposited in the brood nest. If there's any absorption of substances any changed color honey will be moved up into the supers. Has anyone determined if the supposedly slight color change was due to absorpotion of propolis? Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:03:27 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Leslie J. Huston" Subject: Sticky board "stickum" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings - When doing a count to assess varroa levels, what do y'all use on your sticky boards when you place the board under the screened bottom board? I have heard, at different times and from various sources, that liquid oil (i.e. canola) is too thin, and that solid shortening (i.e. Crisco) is too solid. I don't want the rascally critters crawling off, uncounted! - Leslie, in Connecticut -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:10:39 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Buckfast, Minnesota Hygienic for Chalkbrood. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit According to what I've read about chalkbrood disease, Buckfast and Minnesota Hygienic Italian bees are among the best for cleaning it up. Can someone recommend a northern queen producer of quality Buckfast and Minnesota Hygienic queens? I need to order one for the local nature center's observation hive. Thank you. Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:31:59 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Sticky board "stickum" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The following response was edited to remove quotes of previously posted material > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruary Rudd [mailto:rrudd@eircom.net] > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:30 AM > > I use a mixture of vaseline and canola oil, heated up to mix > and then stored > in a jar. > It 'liquidises' when painted on the board with a brush. > > Ruary -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:09:50 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Allen Subject: Re: the queen excluder-Taste? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Has anyone determined if the supposedly slight color change was due to absorpotion of propolis? Propolis, cocoons, and other material that accumulate in brood combs all cause a measurable but slight darkening of honey according to Coggshall and Morse. As mentioned earlier I’ve personally not noticed a difference, but I simply base that on what I’ve seen when uncapping frames. Samples of honey from old and new combs weren’t taken and tested. Regards, Dick Allen -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:02:26 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dan&jan Subject: Re: Sticky board "stickum" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find that a "PAM' type spray to do the job with ease of use and cleanup Dan Veilleux in the mountains of NC zone 6a -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:52:09 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "=?windows-1252?Q?J._Waggle?=" Subject: CBS Sunday Morning Video Clip of Honeybee Story Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's the video from the segment on honeybees that aired on 'CBS Sunday Morning' The Wonderful World Of Bees http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/20/sunday/main1913900.shtml -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:24:45 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Walter Zimmermann Subject: Re: Sticky board "stickum" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: I can't be bothered with concoctions -got other things to do with my time Tangle-Trap ----- Insect Trap Coating is the stuff to use Look up The Tanglefoot Company -Grand Rapids Michigan In Canada Ontario Seed Co carries it. A 5 1/2 oz tube goes along ways and it's cheap. For a really good sticky board use a wide scraper and apply this stuff really thin, just so that the surface shines. (use a piece of 1/8th inch acrylic or uhmw plastic tacked onto masonite etc ) Cover with 8x8 mesh and slide them in. Walter Ontario -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:00:30 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike Stoops Subject: Re: Buckfast, Minnesota Hygienic for Chalkbrood. In-Reply-To: <20060821.081051.1570.108519@webmail07.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "waldig@netzero.com" wrote:Can someone recommend a northern queen producer of quality Buckfast and Minnesota Hygienic queens? Sue Colby is the original producer of Minnesota Hygienic queens. Look for someone who gets their breeder queens from her or her successor. Mike in LA --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:10:02 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Buckfast, Minnesota Hygienic for Chalkbrood. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike in LA wrote, "Sue Colby is the original producer of Minnesota = Hygienic queens." Actually, I believe it was Marla Spivak who is credited with Minnesota = Hygienic queens. As far as true Buckfast go, look to the Ontario = breeders. I don't believe there are any true Buckfast queens available = in the states. True Buckfasts require regular importation of semen = from, and royalties paid to the Buckfast Abbey in England. =20 Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:16:32 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Buckfast, Minnesota Hygienic for Chalkbrood. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As far as true Buckfast go, look to the Ontario breeders. See: http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/info_honeybeequeen.htm#6 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:00:03 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Grant Gillard Subject: Re: Buckfast, Minnesota Hygienic for Chalkbrood. In-Reply-To: <9D95C2906FCCE04F836ECA17C4CE092108BE103F@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And yet, is it still true that Buckfast queens cannot be shipped into the USA from Canada? I've tried, but finally gave up on too many unfulfilled promises. Grant Jackson, MO --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:03:52 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Grant Gillard Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning Video Clip of Honeybee Story In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for doing this! I had two people catch me in church asking if I saw it, then one person said they were late because they watched it and they were sorry I missed it. Grant Jackson, MO --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info ---