From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 10:52:18 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-87.2 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73582480F7 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SFhrpI016524 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:52:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:52:16 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0701B" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 81424 Lines: 1944 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 07:15:14 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: honeydew In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Fredericksen wrote: > I was really asking if you had say a jar of dark late season honey and a jar of honeydew side by > side how would one know which is honey dew? > > I guess which one by the flow rate of my fall honey. Honeydew honey has a higher water content according to what I have read. But I may be wrong. Matters little, I love fall honey. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:52:31 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Laying workers in the winter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Should a colony lose a queen in early winter, is the time to develop laying workers the same as in the summer? When would one expect to see *winter* laying workers to start laying? Waldemar -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:00:59 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: CT Coast Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ralph, >>Today the temp was in the mid 60's (around 15-17C) on one hive there was even bees bringing in pollen. I am across the Sound from you and our temp on Saturday was 70F! I saw lots of yellow pollen coming in. Not sure about the source but I am seeing all kinds of flowers. This weather is not good for the bees. Some of my hives also started getting light but, if the weather gets cold, they should make it to late March. I went through my colonies and was finally able to treat with OA! This was high time - I did see varroa on some bees. One colony had some brood and the rest had freshly laid eggs. The bee numbers look great. All queen were acounted for. OA has a tendency to delay laying for a few weeks. This may be desireable to delay premature brooding in this mild weather. If this warm weather persists, I expect to see skunk cabbage and maples opening up soon.... Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:22:19 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Trip from Phily to NYC. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is anyone planning to travel from Philadelphia to NYC/Long Island area? I'd gladly pay you for picking up some jars for me in Monroeville, NJ (they don't ship jars). Monroeville is south-east of Philadelphia. Thank you. Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 07:53:36 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Grant Gillard Subject: Re: Casting Foundation Release Agent In-Reply-To: <008501c72dd0$6dd28870$6d01a8c0@AdHock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, the detailed plans and material list for this foundation press are found in John Vivian's book, "Keeping Bees," 1986 Williamson Publishing. It can easily be found on amazon.com in their used book section. Your local library may have it as well. It may be out of print, but there are a lot of copies floating around, even appearing regularly on ebay.com At the time I attempted to make my own foundation, there were several rumors floating around about chemical miticide residues found in commercially manufactured foundation. These alleged residues were to blame for a host of problems, but I do not know how many were truly verified. Since I had my wax from my hives, I knew what went into the hive. I felt comfortable reusing my wax to make my own foundation. If you can't find the book and simply want the plans for the foundation press, I'll make you a copy of those pages. Drop me a couple of bucks for postage and copying and I'll mail the plans along to you. However, after my frustration, I heartily recommend nailing a 1" strip of unwired wax foundation into the wedge bar. Wire your frame like you normally would, insert the 1" strip (I cut mine with a pizza cutter using a 1" board for a guide) into the wedge bar and allow the bees to draw out the rest of the frame. If inserted between two existing frames, the strip will be drawn out nice and straight, and in the process, they'll build the comb right around the wires in the frame. It does, as I suspect, take more resources from the bees to do this than if you used purchased foundation. I also found it took a lot of time (not to mention frustration). Time is probably my most valuable resource and in the shortest supply. There's a host of information on foundation-less frames and strips in the archives. Grant Gillard 3721 North High Street Jackson, MO 63755 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:37:32 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: Casting Foundation Release Agent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 08/01/2007 18:49:42 GMT Standard Time, gfcg7312003@YAHOO.COM writes: However, after my frustration, I heartily recommend nailing a 1" strip of unwired wax foundation into the wedge bar. Wire your frame like you normally would, insert the 1" strip (I cut mine with a pizza cutter using a 1" board for a guide) into the wedge bar and allow the bees to draw out the rest of the frame. If you intend to use acids for the control of varroa you might like to 'wire' with nylon fishing line rather than with metal. Chris -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 07:41:22 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: mark berninghausen Subject: Re: honey bees are "almost" endangered worldwide In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "the higher fees will go for pollination" I agree. "the higher the price will be for honey" Being a world wide market, I can only agree to a point. It seems that when short crops occur in the U.S. of A. more honey comes in from abroad. Not that the price goes up. It seems that only when the availability of forgein honey is restricted, by whatever means, then we see producer prices go up. Mostly I agree with Peter. Especially about bees being endangered. Perhaps the beekeeper in question should have talked about the Beekeeping Industry and not the bee. For it is the industry which is on some what unstable footing. If we stopped keeping bees I imagine that the bees would eventually work things out. Peter's point about invasive pests brings to my mind that it is we people who are also invasive pests. If we had stayed where we came from we wouldn't have the world that we have today. Invasive pests, or species, if you will, are in part what a living world is all about. "Invasive species" is a term that we use when a plant or animal is brought into a "non-native" environment and thrives. If it didn't thrive it wouldn't matter. As long as multifloral roses stay where we want them they are beautiful plants. As soon as they start growing somewhere else, they become weeds. Mark Peter Borst wrote: I expect the beekeeping industry will survive because the fewer hives there are, the higher the fees will go for pollination, and the higher the price will be for honey. *invasive pest*, which drives out native bees, such as Meliponini. pb -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:07:09 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: warm weather and brood MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline There have been several comments lately about the effects of the eastern states' very warm weather. Others have appropriately commented on the increased amounts of feed being used and the apparent premature beginning of brood production. Last week I had a conversation with a well-respected queen breeder who raised another undesirable result of the warm weather. The queen breeder pointed out that along with brood starting, so is varroa infestation of that brood. Moreover, as the early brood is all worker that means the varroa is heavily infesting the worker larvae which will be needed as the extra exertion will mean that bees normally living to spring will die earlier. With each varroa normally producing 2 daughters on worker brood, brood at this time of year could quickly double or triple the varroa population. Not good. -- Lloyd Spear Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacture of equipment for round comb honey sections, Sundance Pollen Traps, and producer of Sundance custom labels. Contact your dealer or www.RossRounds.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:22:07 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Goldenrod honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline There have been many comments lately and I may be able to add to the understanding. I believe goldenrod such as we have in NYS produces a light very tasteful honey. However, annual nectar production seems to require a sweet (lime) soil. Here in eastern NYS our soil is acid and in many years the goldenrod will bloom but not yield nectar. The western part of the state has more lime in their soil and in most years they get a bountiful goldenrod crop. Many migratory beekeepers go there specfically for the goldenrod after they are through with blueberry pollination and before going to Florida for the winter. Beginning about 60 west of Albany the soil starts getting sweeter, particular in the northern part of the state and it is as sweet as it gets in the Rochester/Buffalo area south to Jamestown. Goldenrod nectar is often 'contaminated' by two other major weeds. One is aster in all its various forms. Aster honey will granulate in 2-3 days from extraction, and will take the goldenrod honey along for the ride. I believe aster nectar is not as light as goldenrod, but by no means as dark as amber. In the northern part of the state aster starts blooming about 2 weeks after goldenrod starts and will continue for about two weeks after goldenrod is done. The other 'contamination' is knotweed. Knotweed, AKA Japanese Bamboo, is a highly invasive grass that starts blooming in mid-September. If not diluted with other nectars the honey is a deep red. Knotweed is related to buckwheat and its honey has developed a large fan club. When collected with goldenrod it turns the honey into a medium amber. So, if your goldenrod does not yield every year it is probably because of soil pH. If goldenrod honey granulates fast, it is almost certainly because of 'contamination' with aster nectar. Lloyd -- Lloyd Spear Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacture of equipment for round comb honey sections, Sundance Pollen Traps, and producer of Sundance custom labels. Contact your dealer or www.RossRounds.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 01:49:25 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "James W. Hock" Subject: Re: Bee Breeding Association In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20070101223359.0333ad00@pop.together.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Most that I >>know of came to SNEBA with us. Rollin Hannan, Larry O'Conner and Ted >>Jones >>would know and have contact lists. >They're on the list. >Did I meet you at SNEBA. Met too many beekeepers to remember. Yes, briefly. I'm stealing your inner cover/nucleus bottom board idea. I was out in the barn yesterday trying to reverse engineer it. What is it? 1/2" plywood, with a 1 1/4" tall frame around it? I made something similar (more flimsily) last year, but ended up screwing them to the bottom of the hives when they warped. Yours are better. Jim Hock Wethersfield, CT. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:44:14 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Brian_Fredericksen?= Subject: Re: CT Coast Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit check out link http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/ Jet stream pattern changing will affect west and midwest first , of course hard to say if it reaches NE, but appears the 60+ should be over with for January. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:47:15 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: honey bees are "almost" endangered worldwide Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit They seem to have left out the Africanized honey bees which is thriving to a large extent in both Americas and has allowed the Brazilian beekeepers to increase their honey crops. Waldemar -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:37:08 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Medhat Nasr Subject: Re: bees shun frankenfood plants In-Reply-To: <459FBCB1.7070606@suscom-maine.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello All: I contact Lora Morandin regarding her publication and the discussion on Bee-L. Here is her answer: "thanks for letting me know about this article. I was never consulted about it and do not in any way agree with their conclusions...I wonder if they even read the paper! The paper clearly states that the lower number of bees in gm fields likely was due to the lower weed abundance and goes into a lot of detail about this. The data do not suggest that there is any avoidance of gm plants per se. my subsequent papers have explored the relationship between weed abundance in fields, natural land surrounding fields, bee abundance, and pollination. Medhat, let me know if you have any questions. Best regards, Lora" I hope this answer clears the air regarding what was raised on this subject. Medhat Medhat Nasr, Ph. D. Provincial Apiculturist Crop Diversification Centre North 17507 Fort Road Edmonton, AB, Canada T5Y 6H3 Tel: (780) 415-2314 Fax: (780) 422-6096 Mailto:medhat.nasr@gov.ab.ca -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:33:39 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: Bee Breeding Association In-Reply-To: <000801c733ba$4d88c0d0$0201a8c0@AdHock> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1140659D > your inner cover/nucleus bottom board idea. . What is it? >1/2" plywood, with a 1 1/4" tall frame around it? Yes, 1/2" plywood, with a pine rim. There is a bee space (3/8") under, and above the plywood. The kerf that accepts the plywood is the thickness of the plywood...not actually 1/2". 1/2" plywood is supposed to be 7/16"...but it varies. Make it wide enough so that when you insert the plywood, that it doesn't crack the rim, and doesn't have a wide gap. Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:02:06 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Plywood (and beekeeping) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I make extensive use of 'Sign Board' for bee equipment. Under normal conditions *it will not warp.* It is, of course, a plywood specfically made for outdoor conditions. Mike said "1/2" plywood is supposed to be 7/16". Actually, I have always understood it is supposed to be 15/32". In my experience normal grades of plywood vary from 13/32" to 15/32" (sometimes within a single sheet), but 'sign board' is right on at 15/32". Lloyd -- Lloyd Spear Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacture of equipment for round comb honey sections, Sundance Pollen Traps, and producer of Sundance custom labels. Contact your dealer or www.RossRounds.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:58:37 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dan&jan Subject: Re: Goldenrod honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>So, if your goldenrod does not yield every year it is probably because of soil pH. If goldenrod honey granulates fast, it is almost certainly because of 'contamination' with aster nectar.<< Lloyd, I think you have answered my question- Our soils are naturally acid ~ ph 4.8-5. Our goldenrod honey is dark and when the bees are drying it down it releases a very characteristic odor, somewhat like tobacco. The odor does not seem to transfer to the honey. We have many types of asters some start to bloom ~2 weeks before goldenrod and others continue 2-3 weeks past the goldenrod. There are many types go goldenrod and their crosses in our area We leave the goldenrod ( when we have it) on the colonies for winter feed. Dan Veilleux in the mountains of NC zone 6a -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:52:30 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: honeydew In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Slade wrote: > So how does one differentiate honeydew from nectar? Got a nice email which is quoted below (with permission): > Hi, > In Central Europe beekeepers value the honeydew very much for its > specific taste. To distinghuish honeydew from what is called here late > fall honey a specific test can be done, which is based on the difference > of the electric conductivity. Honeydew is rich in minerals so the > conducting of electricity is facilitated better than in nectar. > I hope this hint is usefull to you, > Geert Van Eizenga Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:39:42 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Borst Subject: honeydew MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Classification of honeydew and blossom honeys by discriminant analysis by S Bogdanov & M Gfeller EXCERPTS: In Switzerland and other countries honeys are very often labelled only either as honeydew (forest) or blossom (polyfloral) honey. Electrical conductivity is the honey parameter most widely used for distinguishing between these two honey types. According to the EU honey standard the electrical conductivity of blossom honeys should be below 0.8 mS/cm, while that of honeydew honeys should exceed that value. Generally, the electrical conductivity of mixed blossom-honeydew honeys lies between 0.5 and 0.8 mS/cm, while the values of pure blossom honeys are below 0.5 mS/cm However, there are many exceptions to this rule. Chestnut, arbutus, erica, eucalyptus and linden honeys, just to mention several exceptions, are regarded as blossom honeys, but have often electrical conductivity values above 0.8 mS/cm Other parameters such as pH value , or the sum of the glucose and fructose content (G+F), have also been used for the differentiation between blossom and honeydew honey. With G+F a good discrimination of both honey groups is also obtained (88-90% of correct classifications). The correct classification with electrical conductivity was between 66 and 74 % while the pH value had a relatively poor discriminant capacity (53 to 60 %). -- pb -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:04:41 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: Plywood (and beekeeping) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-49446C58 > Mike said "1/2" plywood is supposed to be 7/16". Actually, I have always >understood it is supposed to be 15/32". Yeah, but it isn't. It varies from one end of the sheet to the other, between 7/16 and almost 1/2. So, you have to cut the nuc box side rails to fit. Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:58:19 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Brian_Fredericksen?= Subject: Re: Plywood (and beekeeping) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I saw an article in the last month or so that discussed how quite a bit of plywood is offloaded to US markets from China which is not accepted for high chloriform (sp?) content. in the EU, Japan and other countries. The point of the article was that the USA is lagging in EPA standards for this product/chemical . Just wondering how that could affect bees health as any new plywood outgases. I know several beekeeps who build nuc boxes from plywood. Just a thought...... -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:12:00 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: D Thompson Subject: OA In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 09 January 2007 05:00, BEE-L automatic digest system wrote: > OA has a tendency to delay laying for a few weeks. Why do you say this? Do you mean vapour, dribble or spray? BTW for OA(v) I do not agree dave PS OA(v) will drive out mice in the hive bottom, in HELL of a scramble, nest probably unbuilt -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:03:31 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Walter Zimmermann Subject: Re: Plywood (and beekeeping) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit amesfarm wrote: I saw an article in the last month or so that discussed how quite a bit of plywood is offloaded to US markets from China which is not accepted for high chloriform (sp?) content. in the EU, Japan and other countries. It's actually formaldahyde that is given off by the glue.(preservative in the Science world etc. and not good for the brain) North American standards control the amount (if any present) in today's world. As usual buyer beware. I have for years and will again shortly use fir flooring plywood 3/4 inch to make more boxes for supers. Sherwin Williams has a paint that I apply called A 100 (white my choice) that lives up to their 15 year guarantee and the hive tool scraping on the edges (once cured ) . Walter Ontario -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:44:11 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Plywood (and beekeeping) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>It's actually formaldahyde that is given off by the glue. (preservative in the Science world etc. and not good for the brain) Formaldahyde is a known carcinogen. Interestingly, formaldahyde is used (often along w/ neurotoxic mercury and aluminum) as a preservative in child vaccines to keep bacteria and fungus down. I don't want this stuff in my hives and honey (or my baby son for that matter) regardless of the ppm. Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:41:31 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Walter Zimmermann Subject: Re: Plywood (and beekeeping) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Waldemar wrote: I don't want this stuff in my hives and honey (or my baby son for that matter) regardless of the ppm. Having been in the furniture industry for over 30 years where formaldahyde glues and as a by product in finishing sprays was common and a chemistry background,I discovered one thing in the beekeeping world- too many people out there don't have an understanding of "chemicals" used nevermind formaldahyde. That's why we have resistance. In every home , store or office you've been exposed to more of the stuff because of the building materials and furniture so the amount that is, if it were given off ,from some plywood super is totally insignificant . Walter Ontario -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:59:50 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Grant Gillard Subject: Re: Plywood (and beekeeping) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lloyd writes: I make extensive use of "Sign Board." What is this? Just a certain thickness/size, just a certain glue, just a certain purpose? Or is there a specific type of plywood called, "Sign Board," that would have corresponding benefits for beekeepers? If I go to my local home improvement store and ask for "Sign Board," will they give me their typical blank stare wondering what I'm trying to describe? Or should I ask for some of their regular plywood that has exterior glue? Grant Jackson, MO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:36:14 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: sign board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I get mine from an old-fashioned lumber yard (builder's supply) store. I have never seen it at a Lowes or Home Depot. When I started using it, 6-8 years ago, someone told me to ask for Sign Board, so I did and it worked. But I notice that when they call to the troops to tell them I am coming for the pickup they call it 'exterior' board. My understanding is that all the glues in 'regular' plywood are now the same, regardless of exterior or interior use. They all warp and delaminate. During the winter I store my supers outside on pallets with a tarp cover and a bottom 5/8th piece of Sign Board (4' x 8') to keep mice out. Some of these have been in use for at least 6 years. Outside all summer and winter with no protection, paint, etc. Not a sign of warp or delamination. I also use this stuff to make new nuc boxes and to make covers for old nuc boxes. Again, so problems. AFAIK, it comes in a wide variety of thickness. I have used 3/8, 5/8, and 3/4. If you have difficulty finding it, call a company that makes custom-wood outside signs for companies. They are getting it somewhere. Lloyd -- Lloyd Spear Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacture of equipment for round comb honey sections, Sundance Pollen Traps, and producer of Sundance custom labels. Contact your dealer or www.RossRounds.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:13:28 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: sign board In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4EA64081 Is sign board layered like plywood, or is it a composite? Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:51:30 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: sign board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sign board is layered like plywood, and has a coating on the front and back. I don't know what the coating is, but someone told me it is a type of paper. But it does not peel like paper. It may be a chemical treatment that resembles paper. I learned about it from a maker of jig saw puzzles. He uses it in 1/8" thickness. Then I had it confirmed (as 'sign board') when I went to a sign shop to get a sign made. They had it everywhere, principally in 3/4" thickness. They buy it by the pallet-full. I forget what they told me they paid on a per sheet basis, but I remember figuring it was 1/3rd of what I pay the lumber yard! Lloyd -- Lloyd Spear Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacture of equipment for round comb honey sections, Sundance Pollen Traps, and producer of Sundance custom labels. Contact your dealer or www.RossRounds.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:52:29 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dan&jan Subject: Re: sign board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is "sign board" the same as medium density fiberboard? Dan Veilleux in the mountains of NC zone 6a -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:11:30 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: sign board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This message was originally submitted by w7rms@WINDWIRELESS.NET to = the BEE-L list at LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU. It was edited to remove quotes of = previously posted material. =20 Sign board is "MDO" or "Medium density Overlay". It's plywood with a paper and phenolic covering on one or both sides. Rick -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:34:16 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: sign board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This message was originally submitted by pollinator@EARTHLINK.NET to = the BEE-L list at LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU. It was edited to remove quotes = of previously posted material. =20 Sign board is a high quality laminated plywood, fir or birch.Google = laminated plywood and you should get some hits. Sign board is a = mid-grade of the same wood used for concrete forms. Xtraply birch PSF = (Phenolic surface film) high density overlay for concrete forms, Medium = density overlay is "sign board" used for signage and intended to be = painted. I get 1/2 inch HDO (concrete form board) and use it as pallet decking = and lids . This wood will not warp, 5/8 or 3/4 lids tend to not blow off = as bad as 1/2 . If you paint or seal the edges it will last much = longer, but even without paint it will last as good as PT plywood. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:03:33 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Plywood (and beekeeping) In-Reply-To: <20070110.054434.15950.1278268@webmail48.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit waldig@netzero.com wrote: > Formaldahyde is a known carcinogen. Interestingly, formaldahyde is > used (often along w/ neurotoxic mercury and aluminum) as a > preservative in child vaccines to keep bacteria and fungus down. > > I don't want this stuff in my hives and honey (or my baby son for > that matter) regardless of the ppm. > http://www.webmd.com/content/article/78/95711.htm is a reasoned article from a trusted site on this issue. I looked into this quite some time ago and the level of hysteria and twisting of science is both astounding and tragic. Just google mercury, formaldehyde and vaccination. Read that stuff and you would never get a vaccination. But the science is bad and the results of not vaccinating your children through ignorance is criminal. Ignorance is not bliss. It kills. As far as causing cancer, just about anything can do that. If the onion was subjected to FDA regs it would be banned for harboring many carcinogens. Broccoli also (it contains its own pesticide!), but that would be ok. PPM does matter, since there are many "carcinogens" that are essential for life. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:13:51 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: sign board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Much thanks to 'pollinator@earthlink.net' for the best explanation of "sign board" that I have experienced. For my next purchase I am going to ask for high-density overlay and see what happens. It is a possiblity that I have been getting that, as what I have been using has not been painted and just will not warp. Make no mistake, this stuff is expensive. However, there is no waste due to wood defects and no lost labor due to stuff that has to be destroyed because of warping. I compared the cost of making 5-frame nuc boxes out of this and buying similar boxes and it was about the same...but I got a box to my specs. instead of having to accept someone elses bad ideas. On the other hand, around here one can buy first quality deeps of high-quality northern white pine for just $7 each, so I use those and just use the sign board for tops. Lloyd -- Lloyd Spear Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacture of equipment for round comb honey sections, Sundance Pollen Traps, and producer of Sundance custom labels. Contact your dealer or www.RossRounds.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:04:55 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter John Keating Subject: Re: sign board for tops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, regarding using good quality plywood for tops, we have been using recycled plastic for tops for some years now without noticing any negative attributes. It comes in 4 x 8 sheets in various thicknesses, cuts like ply, and nails or screws like ply. Doesn't need any painting and my well be indestructible. I use migratory lids and during the first few years we checked its compatibility with the bees and noticed no obvious negative effects, they wax and propolis it just as wood. Peter -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:51:49 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: sign board In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5D1643BD > the cost of making 5-frame nuc boxes out of this and >buying similar boxes and it was about the same... >...around here one can buy first quality deeps of >high-quality northern white pine for just $7 each If you have access to a saw mill that produces white pine kiln dried boards, as about "shorts." The cost of a hive body made from shorts is $1 - $1.20. Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/620 - Release Date: 1/8/2007 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:32:21 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: mark berninghausen Subject: Re: sign board In-Reply-To: <000601c734f9$401ef460$6501a8c0@DanJan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Popular amongst some migratory beekeepers that I know , for hive covers, is used concrete form board material, a heavy plywood. Some of my friends don't use it because of the weight. But those that do use it don't need any rocks or nails to keep it on. It's somewhat hard to get. See your local concrete form company. They resurface their forms and then have to get rid of the left over material. Mark --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:32:43 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Plywood (and beekeeping) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>http://www.webmd.com/content/article/78/95711.htm is a reasoned article from a trusted site on this issue. The FDA admits they have NOT tested the toxicity of ethylmercury used in vaccines. They only BELIEVE it's ONLY as toxic as methylmercury. http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q4 The US Congress has recently passed an act to reform the no-so-100% competent FDA. Just look at the number of drugs being withdrawn from the market, it seems, on a monthly basis. I am NOT saying clearing drugs for safety is an easy job!! I am saying it's not being done with 100% certainty. >>But the science is bad and the results of not vaccinating your children through ignorance is criminal. That's a strong opinion that I respectfully don't agree with. The Amish don't vaccinate because they believe it weakens the immune system and you don't hear about breakouts of epidemics. Despite their lifestyle, they do interface a lot with the society at large and no one has eliminated viruses from the environment. I was taught in school viruses survive in the environment almost indefinitely. >>Ignorance is not bliss. It kills. That's right. Vaccine inserts state they don't guarantee immunity. Vaccine injury and death are very difficult to prove. Nevertheless, the federal government - one can't sue the pharmaceutical industry because vaccination is required by law - has paid out $1.5 billion in compensation for 1,800 children either injured or killed as a result of vaccinations. According to official statistics, 1 in either 166 or 500 (depending on the source) American children is autistic. It's recent phenomenon that trails the tripling of mandatory vaccinations since 1975. You won't find 40- or 50-year old autistic adults in any significant numbers. There has not been any good science on what happens to the immune system when a virus is introduced directly into the blood stream via a vaccine bypassing the primary defenses at the skin, respiratory tracks, digestive track, either. Some [scientists] feel repeated vaccinations cause the immune immune system to 'panic to this breach of the first line of defense' and blindly react the same way to threats and non-threads contributing to asthma, allergies, MS etc. All of these are auto-immune disorders that have increased in proportion to the increase in the number of required vaccines. >>As far as causing cancer, just about anything can do that. Of course. Everyone produces cancer cells on a daily basis. The T and B cells in your immune system are designed to locate, identify and neutralize cancer cells in the body. Weaken the immune system, the control of cancer growth is compromised. This just one aspect of cancer. I think the immune system of honeybees is not that much unlike ours. Bees seems to handle the presence of viruses in the hives just fine on their own. But introduce varroa that 'injects' the same viruses directly into the bees' bloodstream and the colonies collapse. Treatment chemicals in the brood comb seem to accelerate colony collapse and cause other problems after varroa is brought under control. The chemical may interfere with egg laying, brood raising but I would not be surprised if they affected the bees immune system resulting in shorter life cycles. These are my opinions & observations. I'd like to see more good science on the cause & effect of the treatments and better methods of containing viruses that cripple humans and bees. Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:50:05 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_Borst?= Subject: Illegal use of pesticide in bee hives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings I wonder if everyone already saw this? ST. PAUL -- The Minnesota Department of Agriculture has concluded an enforcement action against Adee Honey Farms of Bruce, S.D. Adee Honey produces honey and in 2006 had several thousand bee colonies in Minnesota. Adee Honey paid a $14,000 settlement penalty to the MDA for illegal use of pesticides within bee colonies to control varroa mites and for making a false statement to MDA inspectors. MDA learned of the pesticide misuse during a random pesticide inspection at two Adee Honey Farm bee colonies in Yellow Medicine County. MDA inspectors noticed blue paper towels in several hives. Follow-up laboratory testing showed that the towels contained oxalic acid and fluvalinate. The EPA hasn't registered any pesticide with the active ingredient oxalic acid for use in bee hives. http://webstar.postbulletin.com/agrinews/32716778849524.bsp -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:40:53 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Fredericksen Subject: Re: Illegal use of pesticide in bee hives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Interesting... I'm not surprised by the fluvalinate or tactic violation but OA... All I can say is good luck to MDA in finding any " evidence" of the OA dribble technique. Here in the Mn the MDA was very actively looking for "tactic" violations in 2006 and fined several beekeeps, some who had purchased a fluvalinate material from a vet supply and then later had MDA knocking on their door. Does anyone know the status of OA approval by EPA? -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:46:14 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Fall-Dwindle Disease MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Fall-Dwindle Disease: Investigations into the causes of sudden and alarming colony losses experienced by beekeepers in the fall of 2006." An update is available at: http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/pressReleases/FallDwindleDisease0607.htm Aaron Morris - thinking thoughts of Phoenix from my desk in Albany :-( -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:27:01 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Organization: Randy Oliver Subject: Re: sign board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've used MDO signboard for lids for many years. It's heavy, but lasts forever, and doesn't warp. I cover my truck bed with used signboard--salvaged from the large full-sheet commercial real estate for sale signs. It's generally well painted, and lasts again for many years of hard use on a truck bed. You just have to look at the message on the sign year after year. Randy Oliver -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:39:51 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Organization: Randy Oliver Subject: Re: Illegal use of pesticide in bee hives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know the status of OA approval by EPA? Marion Ellis just received funding to develop educational materials for its release. He told me that the Feds wouldn't likely be committing money unless approval was imminent. Troy Fore a few months ago was in waiting mode; last I checked with Marion about it was about two months ago. Randy Oliver -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:49:45 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Randy_Oliver?= Subject: Chemical contamination of combs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, I'm researching chemical contamination of combs by miticides. Have found some good data, but am looking for anything I can review--especially in the last few years, and especially with regard to changes in bee behavior, development, or health. If you've got any good refs, I would very much appreciate your emailing them to me. Thanks, Randy Oliver -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:13:02 +0900 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Detchon Subject: Re: Fall-Dwindle Disease MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The preliminary report makes fascinating reading, especially in regards = to the resources being focussed on it. My question to the list... is a = similar problem being experienced anywhere else...eg Canada, South = America, Europe, New Zealand, China? It's not happening in Australia as = far as I am aware. Peter Detchon (in Western Australia now, but Melbourne in September...see you there!)=20 -- -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:49:43 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: vaccinations In-Reply-To: <20070111.073315.880.754657@webmail53.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit waldig@netzero.com wrote: > > That's a strong opinion that I respectfully don't agree with. The > Amish don't vaccinate because they believe it weakens the immune > system and you don't hear about breakouts of epidemics. Actually you do. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5530a1.htm Plus, you will also find that the Amish do not live as long as the rest of us for several reasons, lack of vaccinations being one. I only continued this thread with reluctance, but there is quite a bit of very bad information being pushed here. I could answer each point with good science but we are far afield and not in beekeeping. This is another one of those causes based on cherry picking studies and extrapolating into propaganda. I have grandchildren and do not hesitate to encourage vaccinations. That is it for me on this. I strongly recommend any who do not vaccinate their children to do a bit more homework on this. It is not your life you are putting at risk. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:06:08 -0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Fall-Dwindle Disease MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Detchon My question to the list... is a similar problem being experienced anywhere else...eg Canada, South America, Europe, New Zealand, China? It's not happening in Australia as far as I am aware. The only thing that sounds similar to me is Nosema ceranae in Spain. Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:15:32 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1251?Q?Adam_Puzerewski?= Subject: Newbie looking for best BEGINNER book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I saw on line Richar Taylor's How TO was the best one, but it is out of print. I plan to start a new hive in a residential area, so if there is a book out there that studies this, it would be helpful. I know very little but i have an uncle-in-law about 600 miles away that has about 30 hives.......but I cannot exhaust him with questions on the phone! Any help is truly appreciated. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:31:04 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Newbie looking for best BEGINNER book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Arguably the best beginner's book in print today is The Beekeeper's = Handbook = - by Alphonse Avitabile and Diana Sammataro. = http://tinyurl.com/y53ygq =20 =20 Others may opine differently, but if you want one and only one book for = a beginner, this is it. This beginner's book is the most current and = covers new problems in the beekeeper's world that Taylor and other older = texts do not address. =20 Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:34:49 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Illegal use of pesticide in bee hives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This message was originally submitted by mea@ONTHEFARM.COM to the BEE-L = list at LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU. It was edited to remove quotes of previously = posted material. =20 Once again Eric Mussen is a good go-to guy for this kind of timetable. Also, it might be interesting, if you are writing on the subject, to talk to the Adees, as they have been busted and fined for using OA. The irony -- the relative safety of OA to what is legal -- is apparent. Best, Mea randy oliver wrote: > Does anyone know the status of OA approval by EPA? -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:36:57 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Newbie looking for best BEGINNER book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies for the expanded url. My mailer expanded the tiny url! Please use: http://tinyurl.com/y53ygq =20 Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:10:14 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Newbie looking for best BEGINNER book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree with Aaron that all beginning beekeepers should own Samattaro's book. However, I think that Richard Taylor's How To Do It Book of Beekeeping is the best overall book for beginning beekeepers (and use Samattaro's book for additional information). While it is temporarily out of print (expect a new edition this coming summer), inexpensive used copies can be readily found at www.abebooks.com. Good luck, LLoyd -- Lloyd Spear Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacture of equipment for round comb honey sections, Sundance Pollen Traps, and producer of Sundance custom labels. Contact your dealer or www.RossRounds.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:35:59 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dan&jan Subject: Re: Newbie looking for best BEGINNER book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1251"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> have an uncle-in-law about 600 miles away that has about 30 hives.......but I cannot exhaust him with questions on the phone!<< Read, read, join a bee club, take a shortcourse. Find a local beekeeper and apprentice under him for a year i.e. offer sweat for knowledge. Then you can ask fewer questions that are more on target. Dan Veilleux in the mountains of NC zone 6a -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:45:23 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: Fall-Dwindle Disease In-Reply-To: <001601c73618$25443310$07c16a58@office> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi to all, This translated material was forwarded to me several days ago - Relating to the developing problems in various regions of the US, it makes interesting reading. Peter Nosema ceranae Asian Nosema Disease Vector Confirmed – is this a new infestation or only now discovered? Translated from the original German with the permission of Dr Wolfgang Ritter, Freiburg University by Eric McArthur MIL Nosemosis(previously Nosematosis), which in acute cases causes diarrhoea and short lived bees, which exhibit agitated crawling around in front of the hive is a disease known to most beekeepers. The cause of the disease is Nosema apis, which affects the mid gut of the Western honeybee, Apis mellifera spp., and which is wide spread in virtually all honeybee colonies. The disease is aggravated by long confinement in the hive due to external unfavourable weather conditions, possible worsened by badly positioned hives, which forces the bees to defecate in the hive, which frequently results in heavy loss of bee life. The Asian Variant In 1996 a similar type of organism to N. apis was discovered on the Asian honey bee Apis cerana and subsequently named Nosema ceranae. Little is known at the present time about the symptoms and the course of the infection in Asia. Until recently it was assumed that this disease vector was specific to the Eastern honeybee, A. cerana. However in 2005 Chinese researchers reported that N.ceranae had been discovered in the Western honeybee, A mellifera in Taiwan. In the same year the Castilla – La Mancha Beekeeping Institute in Spain and the Veterinary Medicine University in Madrid demonstrated for the first time that the disease was present in European honeybee in Europe. In Spain the cases of Nosemosis had risen constantly from 10% in 2000 to over 20% and 30% in the following years reaching 88% in 2004. An important cause for the huge honeybee colony losses in Spain was therefore suspected as being a result of the N.ceranae infection, after it was discovered there. A massive loss of adult bees was also observed in the apiaries (defined as absconding), similar to the symptoms of heavy Varroa mite infestation. Discoveries also in Germany The question as to whether particular colony losses in Germany could possibly be ascribed to N.ceranae is intended to be cleared up in collaboration with the Audit Laboratory of the University of Freiburg and the Spanish institutes around the end of the year 2005/2006. In the meantime using molecular-genetic methods (PCR) the new Nosemosis vector has been shown to be also present Germany in 8 of 10 tested apiaries. Two apiaries in Baden – Württemburg, four in Bavaria and two in North Rhein- Westfalia. The bees with the classic vector, N. apis came from Thüringen and Bavaria. In all these apiaries, irrespective of the disease vectors confirmed later, severe problems occurred in spring, late summer and autumn of 2005. These problems lead to either to the death of most of the colonies or of the whole apiary. There was evidence of a moderate to severe Nosema infestation in all of the samples tested. Clear symptoms of defecation and crawling were not present in all cases investigated, however a heavy bee mortality occurred in every case. The Mechanism of Infection Spread is Unclear Both disease vectors, N. apis and N.ceranae cannot be differentiated using the present routine microscopic examination. Only with the use of molecular genetic procedures is it possible to separate the two. The following questions arise from this situation: · Where did N. ceranae originate? Although this species carries the cerana name, because it was initially discovered on the Asian honeybee, this is not necessarily a statement on its initial spread. · Was the disease only recently brought in does it actually cause high bee mortality, as the Spanish presume, due to its extreme virulence. · Or is it a long standing condition, which only now we have been able to differentiate from the traditional N. apis? · Is the actual course of the disease with the increase of Nosema infestation more severe because the colonies are weaker and more vulnerable due to the predations of the Varroa mite and other factors? We have tested samples from some 500 apiaries in Germany, Italy (Tirol), Austria and Switzerland since 2002, which suffered high or total losses. Where residual bees were present, we were seldom able to confirm Nosemosis. During the years 2002/03 where high winter losses occurred the disease level was 38%. This year according to current tests the proportion appears to be higher. Consequently we are able at this time to confirm the Spanish results only with regard to the increase in Nosemosis. Over the past 2 to 3 years, however we have observed, that the course of Nosemosis has actually altered. Contrary to the classic insidious form of Nosemosis, crawling and losses occur during the whole year. Furthermore it is being observed this winter that colonies are dying within a very short time scale Beekeepers are finding contrary to typical Varroa infestation damage, hives full of dead bees. A further observation was made that this winter that colonies in many apiaries were undertaking relatively strong cleansing flights, even at temperatures as low as 4 C. At this stage it is not possible to conclusively link these flights with the new form of Nosemosis. There are still many questions which we are attempting to clarify with our on-going investigations. According to our current assessment the whole situation appears to be similar to the classic Nosemosis condition. We are of the opinion therefore, that the usual preventative measures relative to Varroa treatment as well as the optimisation of the factors relating to apiary location should still play a dominant role in beekeeping management - in order to come to terms with the Nosemosis problem. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:52:09 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Addison McMurtry Subject: Re: Newbie looking for best BEGINNER book In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Try "The Backyard Beekeeper" by Kim Flottum. He's the editor of Bee Culture magazine - the book is paperback, easy to read, and well presented. http://www.amazon.com/Backyard-Beekeeper-Absolute-Beginners-Keeping/dp/1592531180/sr=1-1/qid=1168631461/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-0322994-0596952?ie=UTF8&s=books -Lee ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:58:07 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Randy_Oliver?= Subject: Fall dwindling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, Excerpted from Andy Nachbaur 1996: from http://www.beesource.com/pov/andy/sad_bad.htm "The decline in colony populations of bees experienced by beekeepers in California during the winter of 1987-88 is not a new phenomenon, and has been reported by beekeepers in California and elsewhere [world-wide] for over 100 years. It is my opinion based on thirty five years of observations and lots of library research, that this dramatic loss of bees will continue, and at times we may even have more frequent episodes of epic, unexplained losses of bees. Stress Accelerated Decline [SAD] and Bee Immune Deficiency [BAD] are not new spectacles in managing honeybees, or is it even limited to honeybees. They have been described in the popular and scientific literature for over one hundred years, by both beekeepers and biologists. The SAD or BAD condition in bees in the United States has been called by many names in years past. Such as Isle of Wight Disease, Afro-hereditary Disease, fall, winter, or spring Collapse or Decline, and Disappearing Disease. The cause has been diagnosed by biologists as everything from poor nutrition to pest infestations. Such as the TRACHEAL MITE, which is at this time is the populace view. It is my opinion, based on my own experience with bees, that all of the above and every other natural and unnatural condition that afflicts bees, that can be identified as stressful can be made scape goat for SAD or BAD bees. (Including weather; hot, cold, wet or dry; pesticides; and management; good or bad.)" His point is, bees can go from boomers to a queen and 20 workers following a stress event--generally poor pasture. Sounds a lot like the report! Randy Oliver Calif -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:41:27 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: National Bee Loss Survey www.beesurvey.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All We've now traced the bee loss syndrome to 15 states, with severe losses ongoing in Oklahoma and California. We're asking beekeepers to help us sort out the multiple factors that may be involved by filling out a survey. We need input from beekeepers who have or have had the problem, as well as beekeepers who have not experienced dwindling of colonies. The National Bee Loss Survey is available for download at www.beesurvey.com in PDF and Excel formats. There is also an online version of the survey. To avoid a lot of data entry, we encourage all that can to use the online survey. Last week, both National Beekeeping Associations passed resolutions expressing their commitment and support for investigation and research into these massive bee losses. We are working with these associations, the National Honey Board, investigators from Penn State and the Beltsville lab, and state agencies. Pennsylvania and Florida state apicultural services are being very proactive. Bee Alert is committed to protecting the confidentiality of your information. If we are going to have any chance of solving this problem, which appears to have been around for at least 40 years, we need to receive as many surveys as possible, with honest answers. It is not our job to play cop. As a private company working for the beekeeping industry, we have total control of the data and have no responsibility to report any violations, etc. Finally, we are asking every state and regional beekeeping association to assist in getting the word out, surveys filled in and returned. And, we'd like to hear from any other countries that may have experienced this problem, either now or in the past. Thank you for your assistance. Your input will help the entire beekeeping industry. Best Regards Jerry J.J. Bromenshenk CEO/President Bee Alert Technology, Inc. 1620 Rodger Street, Suite #1 Missoula, MT 59802 Tel/Fax: 406-541-3160 Cell 406-544-9007 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:49:12 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: DIY Hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All We have funding and an assembly/manufacturing company lined up to produce an electronic hive base/pallet that can monitor distant hives for weight gain, rainfall, bears, vandalism, etc. The money is in hand and these devices will be built. Production prototypes are expected to be in the field for testing this summer. This is your chance to express your WISHES in terms of what features you would most like to see on a device that sends reports to your own cell phone. Please download the 1 page survey from _www.survey.com_ (http://www.survey.com) , fill out, and return to us via e-mail, fax, or snail mail. At the national meetings, the survey already identified some functions that we had not considered. Beekeepers from Louisiana want a flood sensor. Beekeepers from arid states want a smoke detector. All of this is possible since we've finally been able to put together the communications needed for affordable communications from the beeyard. We now offer cell phone or satellite communications, the later for as little as $5 month for up to 20 messages, $7 for 30. You've nothing to lose other than a few minutes of your time, you've got everything to gain. You may be the beekeeper who a critical function that we've missed. At the very least, you will be helping us prioritize our time, money, and other resources. Thanks Jerry J.J. Bromenshenk Bee Alert Technology, Inc. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info ---