From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 10:56:31 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-87.1 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B61849051 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SFhrpg016524 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:52:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:52:18 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0712E" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 28054 Lines: 601 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:11:55 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Sound Stimulation Boosts Bee Venom Collection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sound Stimulation Boosts Bee Venom Collection Application of Coupled Electrical and Sound Stimulation for Honeybee Venom Collection Journal of Apicultural Science, Vol. 51 No. 2 2007 http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2007/12/sound-stimulation-boosts-bee-venom.html Summary: In the years 1998-2001, in apiaries of the Apiculture Division, Research Institute of Pomology and Floriculture, a study was undertaken to evaluate the efficiency of honeybee venom collection by means of coupled electrical and sound stimulation as compared to standard electrical stimulation as elaborated earlier... ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:20:43 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_Borst?= Subject: Re: Sustainability Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Brian wrote: >- use energy other than energy from renewables in its operations Quoted material from www.newscientist.com > The drive for "green energy" in the developed world is having the perverse effect of encouraging the destruction of tropical rainforests. From the orang-utan reserves of Borneo to the Brazilian Amazon, virgin forest is being razed to grow palm oil and soybeans to fuel cars and power stations in Europe and North America. And surging prices are likely to accelerate the destruction > Rising demand for green energy has led to a surge in the international price of palm oil, with potentially damaging consequences. "The expansion of palm oil production is one of the leading causes of rainforest destruction in south-east Asia. It is one of the most environmentally damaging commodities on the planet," says Simon Counsell, director of the UK-based Rainforest Foundation. "Once again it appears we are trying to solve our environmental problems by dumping them in developing countries, where they have devastating effects on local people." > The main alternative to palm oil is soybean oil. But soya is the largest single cause of rainforest destruction in the Brazilian Amazon. Quoted material from www.newscientist.com ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:02:27 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Peter L. Borst" Subject: Re: Sustainability MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In any discussion about sustainability, and especially about bio-fuel, is is essential to remember that the world is an intricate web and what is done in your area for your benefit can have disastrous repercussions somewhere else. * * * > In the United States, rapid growth in demand for biofuel feedstocks, particularly corn and soybeans, is also changing cropping patterns in the Midwest, leading to more frequent planting of corn in crop rotations, an increase in corn acreage at the expense of wheat, and the ploughing up of grasslands. This change in land cover has raised alarm bells about possible adverse affects habitat for waterfowl. > The biofuels-led expansion in grain and oilseed production within some OECD countries has also put pressure on set-aside land and land reserved for conservation. In the EU, for example, the European Commission is recommending that the obligatory set-aside requirement be abolished for at least the next crop year, much to the dismay of wildlife conservation groups. > Increased intensive production of maize [corn] in the U.S. Midwest has also accelerated growth of the "dead" zone in the Gulf of Mexico: a hypoxic (oxygen-deficient) area spreading out from the mouth of the Mississippi River. Scientists attribute its growth to the runoff of nutrients, mainly from crop farming. At risk is the northern Gulf of Mexico's US$ 2.6 billion-a-year fishing industry. > Some biofuel feedstock crops, particularly maize, require lots of water. Yet the current trend in the expansion of maize-based ethanol is westward, into areas that are more dependent on fossil water sources, like the Ogallala Aquifer, and irrigation than the rain-fed heart of the U.S. corn belt. The ethanol plants themselves also require significant volumes of water — 3 to 6 litres per litre of ethanol. Press reports of local concerns over their claims on local water supplies are appearing with increased regularity. FROM "Biofuels — At What Cost? Government support for ethanol and biodiesel in selected OECD countries". September 2007. Prepared by: Ronald Steenblik, Director of Research. The Global Subsidies Initiative of the International Institute for Sustainable Development. Geneva, Switzerland > The International Institute for Sustainable Development launched the Global Subsidies Initiative in December 2005 to put a spotlight on subsidies -- transfers of public money to private interests -- and how they undermine efforts to put the world economy on a path toward sustainable development. -- Peter L. Borst Danby, NY USA 42.35, -76.50 http://picasaweb.google.com/peterlborst ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:48:59 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Sustainability In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Borst wrote: > >> The drive for "green energy" in the developed world is having the perverse >> > effect of encouraging the destruction of tropical rainforests. My point- how and who will implement it. There is another study on carbon credits and the perverse effect they are having on developing countries, with money going to the leaders while farmers are driven from farms or isolated because roads cannot be built. In effect, the rich benefit and the poor get poorer. Concepts are wonderful, but it is all in the implementation and who does the implementing. I remember a guy that wanted to improve the human race. There, I did it. This officially ends this thread since whenever Hitler is mentioned or implied, the thread has run its course. Let's get back to beekeeping and rationally discussing rich, money grubbing, pesticide laden commercial beekeepers spreading CCD. But isn't that how this thread started? Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:33:59 -0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Juanse Barros Subject: Re: Sustainability In-Reply-To: <4776C0CB.1050407@suscom-maine.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bill Even tough Hitler run thread's to an end, I tend to believe that all our fiers about how this game ends at the end, will make each of us win a little piece in heaven if we act accordingly under the mentioned precept of sustainable development. Humanity is mid way on this energy intensive way of living, while at the same time there are lots of us designing, implementing, developing other ways of living. We have no budget but the ability to communicate our achievement as they are not for profit and we have the internet and bee-l to lower the transaction cost of communication. Beekeepers I believe are the first environmentalists. We are all the time observing the weather, the floral sintesis, the year production from our ladies that are at the same time the sintesis of the the sintesis. We are all the time trying to use less to produce more, cleaner and safer. We have been learning "industrial" methods of beekeeping with all its magic bullets, knowing all the time that doing hobby beekeeping is far healthier (for us and the bees) and probably dealing with how to implement a more ecological/organic aproach that is industrialy applicable. Lets hope for a 2008, year of the Rat, to have a fluent communications of more of the treaks of bussinesesss Happy new year to all of you -- Juanse Barros J. APIZUR S.A. Carrera 695 Gorbea - CHILE +56-45-271693 08-3613310 http://apiaraucania.blogspot.com/ juanseapi@gmail.com ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:09:58 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Peter L. Borst" Subject: Honey Bee Genetics Vital in Disease Resistance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sustainable beekeeping must be an ever changing thing. It doesn't work to develop a routine and stick to it. A changing organism is better able adapt to new challenges. See my article in the ABJ on the Red Queen hypothesis. So beekeeping must keep changing to stay viable. It won't do to lament past errors or attempt to isolate from the rest of the industry. Now is the time to collaborate, communicate, and come up with new combinations of techniques. Price of freedom is eternal vigilance, etc. Insects' immune systems must constantly evolve to remain effective against a changing array of diseases and other threats. These changes are evident when examining the genes involved in immune response. Current study describes how the immune systems of the well-studied fruit fly group have changed over time, strengthening comparisons to bees and other insects of agricultural importance. The honey bee genome project has produced a tremendous amount of information and online resources, says entomologist Jay Evans, at the Bee Research Lab in Beltsville, Maryland. "We're now sifting through this information to find clues to breeding and managing bees in ways that reduce the costs of disease." So far, about 150 honey bee genes have been selected for analysis by Evans and his team. They've already identified genes from the bee's immune system that are correlated with a colony's ability to withstand exposure to important pathogens. more info at http://www.ars.usda.gov ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:20:48 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Members Sought for Proposed Canadian Apitherapy Society MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Members Sought for Proposed Canadian Apitherapy Society http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2007/12/members-sought-for-proposed-canadian.html Join the team for a proposed Canadian Apitherapy Society and learn more about a planned December 2008 Apitherapy Conference & Course in Niagara Falls, Ontario, to be offered in conjunction with the Ontario Beekeeper's Association Annual Convention, December 11-13, 2008... ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:54:59 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Sustainability Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The growing use of crops for biofuel is driving up food prices and farm land prices in the US. Migratory beekeeping costs as rising as well. This bodes well for local producers of produce and honey. It also helps sustainable operations compete better. Waldemar ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:40:11 -0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Juanse Barros Subject: Re: Honey Bee Genetics Vital in Disease Resistance In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Peter You mean this one http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archive/jan07/bee0107.htm -- Juanse Barros J. APIZUR S.A. Carrera 695 Gorbea - CHILE +56-45-271693 08-3613310 http://apiaraucania.blogspot.com/ juanseapi@gmail.com ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:17:40 +1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: queenbee Subject: Superboost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re Catch the Buzz and the screed on superboost. Does anyone know if, in = the trials being undertaken, the hives are being monitored for Nosema, = both apis and ceranae? Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:30:11 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: US Teen Entrepreneurs Promote Organic Honey From Ghana MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII US Teen Entrepreneurs Promote Organic Honey From Ghana The Honey Project Empowers Teen Entrepreneurs By Bridget Carey, The Miami Herald (USA), 12/31/2007 http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2007/12/us-teen-entrepreneurs-promote-organic.html When high school students want to get experience in running a business, they usually take up summer internships or shadow corporate executives. But several Broward County students have taken it a big step further -- they are running their own honey business and with a global twist... The Honey Project is a nonprofit entity that sells organic honey from Africa to people in the United States. The students charge about $20 for a 12-ounce jar to help raise money for the village in Agogo, Ghana, where the honey is produced... ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:22:45 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: CCD In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, beekeepers talking CCD with other beekeepers have came up with an interesting finding to consider. Most CCD claimed crashes of semi loads of bees occurred after the bees were unloaded at their destination. We know bees have been hauled on semis into almonds without problems for years so what is different? The CCD team says the bees immune system was weak and the move was the final straw which broke the bees back. Some of us are not so sure. Another possibility exists and a possibility myself and another beekeeper are researching. When a semi load of bees bound for almonds leaves our area in January/ February we load the load in daylight because the bees stay inside in a cluster. Then the driver drives to the TA truck stop to spend the night. At least two other nights enroute the semi load of bees sits in a truck stop (usually 10-12 hours in cold weather). We have got an hypothesis that the new diesel fuel additives being added to replace sulfur and increase fuel mileage might be causing hives to crash. So far we have found around 48 different chemicals in diesel fuel fumes. In winter at these truck stops the smell of diesel fuel is strong and the bees are exposed to these fumes in large doses for around 30+ hours while in route . At the joint meeting my friend is going to suggest research on the subject. Jerry B. has the CCD team ever considered the change in diesel fuel additives might be effecting bees longevity? Lance Sundberg told me every hive out of 448 crashed on arrival at the California holding yard last year. All crashing seems to indicate to us a poison involved. Comments? bob -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:22:20 -0500 Reply-To: james.fischer@gmail.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Subject: Re: CCD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > We have got an hypothesis... > ...new diesel fuel additives being added to replace sulfur > and increase fuel mileage might be causing hives to crash. This would not explain the CCD cases found in non-migratory operations, nor would it explain the cases of CCD found among East coast migratory operations. The East coast operations do not move hives in the cold, but instead, move north "with the blooms", and move south well before bees are completely confined by cold. As an example of a non-migratory operation that reported CCD among their yards, I can offer Dr. Dewey Caron of U DE. He's a little hard to dismiss as someone who might have been mistaken, or might have misdiagnosed some other problem as "CCD". It looks like the hypothesis, rather than the diesel fuel, needs additional refining. :) ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:43:32 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gavin Ramsay Subject: Re: CCD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > All crashing seems to indicate to us a poison involve= Hi Bob and All=0A=0A> All crashing seems to indicate to us a poison involve= d.=0A=0AAlternatively, if CCD =3D Nosema (maybe two types) + stress, then i= sn't the loss of bees after confinement and trucking consistent with this?= =0A=0Aall the best=0A=0AGavin ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:03:23 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Grant Gillard Subject: CCD symptom check list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some locals have lost their hives this past month. After they lament their loss, they say, "Do you supposed I've got that CCD thing?" Personally, I suspect operator error and negligent mismanagement. I often start by asking how the beekeepers treated the hives this fall. The most common resonse is, "Well, I got busy..." Despite my ignorant assumptions trying to blindly assess and evaluate their hives over the phone, I'm not ready to blame everything on CCD. But who really knows? They're convinced they "must have got that CCD thing" because they treated (or failed to treat) their hives "just like last year." I'm not so sure. When I ask what their hives look like, and if they pulled out the frames to inspect the colony, or look for dead bees, the frequent answer is, "Nope. The hive is dead. I didn't need to open it." Or minimally, they crack to brood boxes and note the dead bees between the frames. Perhaps someone with more time and education could draw up a simple check list of symptoms, one of those flow-charts with "yes" and "no" answers and arrows that say, "If yes, go on to #2." It would have questions like, "Do you have dead bees on the bottom board?" If yes, then you don't have CCD. "Are your bees stuck in the comb head-first?" If yes, then you probably lacked sufficient stores. "Was your hive looking really healthy with patches of brood, and suddenly it was empty?" If yes, move on to #4. Unfortunately, I don't know enough to ask all the questions that may pertain to symptoms of CCD other than the mysterious disappearance and the perplexing void in the hive. I'm hoping someone would take up this idea and run with it. Grant Jackson, MO --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:08:32 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Bob_Harrison?= Subject: Re: CCD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello All, I am on the road (Aaron in regards to your email)in the south and my wireless hookup does not want to send my email. So will reply off the web. Jim: Does not matter if the east coast migratory bees are not in a cluster. The point is the amount of time the load is exposed to possible honeybee toxic fumes. Truck stops where 150-300 rigs are sitting (many runing) are popular places for truck drivers for obvious reasons. It seems that loads which are being sent direct by team drivers are not seeing as much problem at the destination. Also I think all of us realize by now whatever CCD is its not caused by a single problem. Dewey Caron gave his CCD presntation at the MSBA meeting I attended. He said: " When myself and my students went to check my eleven hives in the spring ten were dead and bees missing" I like Dewey and do not want to discuss further but as you can see he has little to contribute about CCD. Gaven: Most of the commercial beeks I have spoken with think last years losses were directly related to nosema & poor varroa control. However there still were some unexplained losses and those seem to be whole loads of bees which looked great before shipping found crashing on arrival at the destination. Dead bees several inches thick on the truck bed. Our hypothesis has been given merit by those trucking bees as certainly possible and needs further research. Those we have ran our hypothesis by seem very interested and wonder why others have not considered the possibility. The nations bees for the most part look good this winter but reports of problems at destination still are popping up which makes many of us look for an explanation. Other than simply saying stress (which is the answer those not looking very hard at the issue want to claim). Stress paints the picture with too broad of a brush. At this time I doubt I will be at the California meeting but have got friends recording certain presentations. bob ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ******************************************************