From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 11:09:29 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-83.8 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,ADVANCE_FEE_2, AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6B74908B for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SG3Y74017265 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:35 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0804E" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 58829 Lines: 1403 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:09:41 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Thompson Subject: A year with ccd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit More tales from the front Well some good news for a change My first inspection a few days ago Let me recap population changes, it'll illustrate my points Fall06 N:10 + 6 S:10 (hives + winter nucs) Spr07 N:4 + 5 S:0 (really 6, killed late supercede) Fall07 N:12 + 12 S:8 (S repopulated with own boxes, SO2) Spr08 N:8 + 11 S:7 (no supplimental heat for nucs) Those rated very good VG08 N: 6 + 3 or 4 S:5 Clearly few of these absconded The deadouts had ccd like symptoms Better bees than I"ve seen for a few years S got 2 treatments FA and OA(v), made no honey of course N had inadequate VD control (1 FA, 1 OA), late winter a 2nd OA I already have 6 pads on in case it was too late Probably these VG started laying early Mar Clearly nucs withstand ccd winter loss better Whether FA is a treatment or it's a severe lack of VD for these results is a good question, I think both After all I still see physical symptoms without difficulty, but this may be carryover from 07 Still it's less than 20% loss, breed up from (not many) sick bees I likely do NOT have nosema, this is another factor Since I will never be rid of X, I am forced to breed from my own for a bit, I wanted a bit more russian since they seem a bit more resistant. However bees first exposed to X seem have little innate resistance (IMO), after some months crash Will this matter, or are the genes the thing? It sure would be good to know how the infection works so as to know where to attack it. BTW ants are back at S, not many yet dave **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:28:42 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: More nosema results MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi All, The miraculous recovery of dinks that we had written off has been confirmed to me by two other large beekeepers. We suspect that fresh springtime pollen may have had something to do with it, and possibly warmer weather. I had a group of Alameda Co beekeepers visit me yesterday, so we went back to the nosema test yard for more sampling. There were two more swarms. We tested all three swarms for nosema spores--they ran at about 20-25 spores per view (a bit less than 1 million spores per bee average). Clearly, a moderate nosema infection did not prevent fhese colonies from growing up huge this spring and swarming. I will track them further to see how they do. In general, the control colonies fared more poorly than those in any of the treatments. Two controls that had increased population had spore counts of ~100 sp per view, and ~20 spv. One colony that had dwindled currently down to a silver dollar of healthy brood, and just enough bees to cover had nearly no nosema spores, but that would be expected, since they were likely young bees. Again, makes me wonder if nosema can be easily missed when sampling the last handful of bees. The question is, why are a few colonies in the same yard still going downhill, when so many others are rebounding? We then checked the colonies doing poorly: we found sacbrood in some colonies, sacbrood-like pupae in some, EFB in some, and EFB-like larvae in some. Again, samples going to lab for confirmation. In some the brood appeared perfectly healthy. I'm curious about the sacbrood and temperature connections, and have detailed in an article in press. Again, I'm simply reporting from the field, and don't claim to have figured anything out. I'm just putting out observations in the hope to stimulate thought, and hope that others share their observations. We've seen plenty of thoughts on this List--I'm really interested in field observations by others. Randy Oliver **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:41:39 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Bob and Jim, Thanks for the reports, Bob. Could I suggest that everyone look for unusual symptoms in brood, especially if there is a spotty pattern. Several inapparent virus infections will kill brood, but researchers that I've asked have documented that brood dies, but haven't noticed the symptoms. I'm seeing, as I said before, odd-looking dying larvae, propupae, and pupae. And as Bob said, early signs of DWV--adults with curly wings in spring. Jim P., could I ask what your nosema sample sizes were in fall, and from where you took the bees? Trying to figure out how you may have missed an infection. Also, any other anomalies that you noticed in your bees or brood? We out here in Calif have a head start on most of you as far as spring recovery of our bees. I'm curious to hear reports as spring arrives further east and north. Randy Oliver **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:56:46 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Propolis Component Protects Against Oxidative Damage to Cells MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Propolis Component Protects Against Oxidative Damage to Cells Potential Cytoprotection: Antioxidant Defence by Caffeic Acid Phenethyl Ester Against Free Radical-Induced Damage of Lipids, DNA, and Proteins Can. J. Physiol. Pharmacol. 86(5): 279-287 (2008) http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2008/04/propolis-component-protects-against.html In the present study, we focused on the diverse antioxidative functionalities of CAPE and its related polyphenolic acid esters on cellular macromolecules in vitro... **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:09:55 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Video: Organic Honey Recommended for Healing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Video: Organic Honey Recommended for Healing http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2008/04/video-organic-honey-recommended-for.html Organic Bee Farm Delivers Fresh Honey FOX 6's Nicole Koglin talks with Doug Schulz of Wisconsin Natural Acres about the health benefits of honey. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:36:14 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Ian_Steppler?= Subject: Re: poor crop in Argentina? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>>They have some 2.5 millions colonies, so a minor >change in favorable weather can put argentinian production back in the >market. Juanse Barros, Very ture, I agree. My comment was intendended on last years precieved 4 million hive industry down there. Juanse, did the industry get to 4 million hives in 2006-07? Or was it on its way, or was that just talk? Thanks **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:34:55 -0700 Reply-To: k.kellison@earthlink.net Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Kathy Kellison Subject: Farm Bill Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Brian, I am hearing it is doable , short answer cap will be on off farm income, and no cap on farm income... conference was postponed from yesterday to today at 2:30 EST,,, anyone can listen in http://agriculturehouse.gov/hearing/audio.html **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:16:41 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Plaisted Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H In-Reply-To: <3dcef4a10804281041h7cde9df9ybb260343807fe0e8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Jim P., could I ask what your nosema sample sizes were in fall, and fromwh= ere you took the bees? Trying to figure out how you may have missed aninfec= tion. Also, any other anomalies that you noticed in your bees orbrood?" =20 Randy =20 Samples were taken on 9/13/07, from a 52 hive yard by NYS Bee Inspector Rob= ert Duncan. We did a random sample of 4 or 5 pallets, one or two hives fro= m each pallet, which were then combined into one sample. Bees collected we= re from the broodnest. Sample was sent to Beltsville Bee Lab, which sent b= ack the following diagnosis: "No Disease or Parasitic Mites Found". Sample= was test specificly for Nosema and TM. Sample size was about a qt ziplock= baggie full. =20 I knew we had a problem when I visited the yard in Jan 08 and found all but= 33 hives had perished, that number grew in Feb when there were only 14 hiv= es left, and by the end of March only 5 hives remained. As of mid April th= at number is still holding. =20 I didn't notice anything unsual about these hives in Oct, all were flying s= trong, and had heavey honey reserves. However, there was excessive swarmin= g in Sept. 27 hives swarmed, about half of them from this yard, the rest f= rom other yards. All hives that swarmed had laying queens going into Nov. = Loses in other yards were not as bad, running around 20%, except the home = yard which consisted of many mating nucs that were combined, but I didn't g= et them strong enough, should have been combined more.=20 =20 None of them died out due to starvation. Most of the clusters were small i= n number, about the size of a basketball, covering three to four frames. S= ome had brood, most didn't. Excessive soiling of frames prompted me to pul= l samples from 25 hives and send for testing, which produced the diagnosis = of "Nosema sp average of 16,500,000 nosema spores present per bee." Sample= was taken on 4/11/08. =20 Based on the sample taken on 9/13/07, I didn't treat for nosema, by Jan 08,= it was too late as the temps were below 32F for most of the month. Costly= lesson, but I hope someone else can learn from this. =20 Jimhttp://www.northernqueens.com/ _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr= esh_realtime_042008= **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:25:29 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Fredericksen Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for sharing your information Jim. Have you considered that the hives that swarmed had a low population of winter bees going into winter? That would not directly explain the nosema but winter may have been more stressful on "old" bees which made them more vulnerable to a Nosema outbreak? Here in Mn I have seen a correlation with wet winters and Nosema losses. Especially wet weather in Feb and March. In fact here in Mn/Wis you can draw a line SW to NE across the two states and based on anecdotcal reports it appears the losses were very high on the wet side of that line. The difference in precip on either side of that line was significant. 100 inches plus on one side and 30 inches of so on the other side. Can anyone from those states validate that theory or debunk? **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:29:09 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Plaisted Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Have you considered that the hives that swarmed had a low population of wi= nter bees going into winter? That would not directly explain the nosema but= winter may have been more stressful on "old" bees which made them more vul= nerable to a Nosema outbreak?" =20 Yes, although it wasn't apparent from the activity at the entrance. Sept s= warms are almost a death warrent for the hive that swarms. I have had some= recover, but most don't. These had laying queens going into winter, just = not enough time to recover from swarming. Then add on top of that the nose= ma, and it's a one two punch. I have yet to figure out why they would swar= m in the first place, as there was plenty of room. Any ideas? =20 Jim =20 =20 http://www.northernqueens.com/ _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr= esh_realtime_042008= **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:15:40 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Fredericksen Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:29:09 -0400, James Plaisted wrote: " I have yet to figure out why they would swarm in the first place, as there was plenty of room. Any ideas? " application of formic acid or apiguard in hot conditions can create swarming-like behavior from my limited experience in hot conditions during sept. I've seen some hives abscond during initial application and form a swarm nearby. a queen is raised after the fact then. the first year apiguard came out the label dose for application was too high and has since been toned down although the package last year did not indicate the more conservative amount. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:28:56 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Plaisted Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't treated for mites in 2 years, so that can't be it. Any other ide= as? =20 Jim =20 =20 http://www.northernqueens.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Back to work after baby=96how do you know when you=92re ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=3D= 5797498&ocid=3DT067MSN40A0701A= **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:50:29 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: poor crop in Argentina? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>did the industry get to 4 million hives in 2006-07? I assume the hive equipment is still there. They can split and recover their numbers in one good year. Waldemar **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:49:52 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Jim & All, Any other > ideas? > I guess now is as good a time to approach the list on a subject I have known about since the start of CCD. Are the hives so late in season swarming or abscounding? David Hackenberg suspects abscounding. David has spoke of huge numbers of hives hitting the trees at a time when its rare. Looks like swarming as all bees do not leave with the swarm. David asked me my opinion. Well its been almost two years since I was asked the question and I am still pondering the answer. I have been keeping bees 48 years and I always considered swarming in very late fall (Sept.) fairly rare. I have never seen on the scale David H. and Jim report. I then posed a question to David H. which I would guess he is still pondering. I asked: How can you tell when a swarm leaves in Sept. if they are swarming or abscounding? In both cases it would seem the old queen would leave with part of the bees. I think its fair to say that in both Jim & Davids cases the bees *might* be abscounding. David H. seems to think so. If the bees had absounded it seems logical that what bees left behind would try and raise a queen. Giving the indication of simply swarming. Its fair to say we are seeing our bees do things which we know from experience are normally rare. bob **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:54:56 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 29/04/2008 23:13:31 GMT Standard Time, bba@DISCOVERYNET.COM writes: Are the hives so late in season swarming or abscounding? Isn't absconding a habit of African bees? Chris **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:05:26 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Ian_Steppler?= Subject: Re: poor crop in Argentina? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>They can split and recover their numbers in one good year. >From what I gather, its not just the weather creating the problems there. Cheap credit is sometimes taken for granted in North America, when operations have to sustain their cash flow off expensive credit, rebounding off a bad year sometimes takes years to catch up. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:54:27 -0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Juanse Barros Subject: Re: poor crop in Argentina? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ian The last FAOstat figure of 2005 was that Argentina have close to 25.000 beeks with some 2.5 million colonies. I believe the 4 million figure comes from a World Bank Report that stated that in Argentina they COULD grow up to that amount of hives without mayor changes in the way they operate. They probably have at the present around 2 million colonies, because they have had 3 bad years in a row. The decrease in production respond more to an average decrease of production than to a lower amount of hives. Argentina have an historical average of 20- 25 kg/hive. The "record" production of 2006/2007 of 100.000 tons respond to stock from previous year (2006) and an average production in 2007. Today, because of the high world price (2.24 US$/kg in argentina) probably they do not have any stock left. The "good" beeks report colonies in quite good health and with lots of reserves. Cold weather already installed and nosema under control. Because of bad access to credits, structural changes in their pastures, bad weather, export tax (10% retention) and the like, our argentinian colleagues are not having a pleasant time. But I insist we will have to wait for next season to see what happens. -- Juanse Barros J. APIZUR S.A. Carrera 695 Gorbea - CHILE +56-45-271693 08-3613310 http://apiaraucania.blogspot.com/ juanseapi@gmail.com **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:26:19 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Transportation of Queen cells MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My experience in transporting or receiving transported queen cells is limited. I have moved them in Styrofoam containers that held them in a snug, upright position. Protection from thermal change being achieved by the insulating properties of the container. Distance limited to several tens of kilometres and time being limited to a few hours before being placed into a receiving " Nuc." Presuming that the age of the cells allows for movement without damage to contained queen. - what effects will temperature change from "ideal" have on the future performance of the queen? : induced infertility / reduced fertility / no effect. The question presumes that mating will occur with adequate sperm being delivered. Regards, Peter Manitoba, Canada - late cool spring! **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:59:01 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Chris & All, Chris asks: > Isn't absconding a habit of African bees? absolutely! Swarming or absconding is hard to tell apart. In Florida AHB can swarm/abscond as many as 16 times. Do I think AHB genetics as responsible in Dave and Jims cases? I don't believe so but quite a bit of AHB genetics are in U.S. stock. My friends keeping scuts in South Africa say absconding can produce CCD like symptoms. They also say why scuts abscond at times is a mystery. Commercial beekeepers in areas of AHB do not (for the most part) send off samples for AHB testing but instead depopulate aggressive hives. The "kick" test is most used. bob **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:39:37 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Brazilian Propolis Shows Analgesic, Anti-Bacterial, Anti-Cancer Effects MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Brazilian Propolis Shows Analgesic, Anti-Bacterial, Anti-Cancer Effects http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2008/04/brazilian-propolis-shows-analgesic-anti.html The Brazilian Red Propolis of Group 13 and Its Biological, Physical and Physiological Activities Brazilian propolis is classified into 13 distinct groups according to their chemical composition, which is directly related to the plants used to collect resins and exudates. In this study, propolis of group 13 was chosen, as it is the most commercialized in the northeast of Brazil and shows high biological activity... **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:06:21 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Rob_Termeer?= Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bob wrote: How can you tell when a swarm leaves in Sept. if they are swarming or abscounding? During the spring when a hive swarms it is my observation that swarm cells are well underway before the hive swarms. Were Dave or Jim able to check any of the September swarming colonies in a timely manner for the presence of swarm cells? Lack of mature cells might indicate absconding over swarming. A possible cause in some situations might be when supers are removed earlier than normal for the purpose of treatments leading to crowded hives which when combined with warm weather or a good late flow could cause swarming. Rob Cornwall, Ont 45'N 75'W Good bees this spring, under 10% loss on 800 hives. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:27:25 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.net" Subject: Re: Lusby Videos, Marrage, and more... Comments: To: deelusbybeekeeper@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>Temps were in low 80s fwiw. By negating right and left running you learn to read the discodial movements of the bees, and then to negate it, you take virgin queens from right movement to requeen hives with left movement hives, and vice versa... Hasn't anyone ever told you about doing that? Well, I am reading about for the first time. Perhaps it's well known in other beekeeping circles. To be honest, I have no clue about what you are describing. Would you simplify it for me please? Is there website that describes this by chance? I am most interested in learning about this. >>Well, what can I say, so much for hot killer bees, with us old women working them! Well, there are African bees and African bees. In South Africa, they keep African bees with large colonies. Whether you have African bees or not, I do not know. It matters not to me. >>Production is down so much now in our country. It is regrettable because the US has great potential. >>Kinda makes one wonder what has been lost, that now imports are supplying instead, while more and more... The US is overly relying on cheap imports and getting itself into debt... Excessive debt has a habit of catching up with people. Waldemar **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:31:46 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi James, I asked Bart Smith at Beltsville what their current protocol for nosema testing is. They changed in July, and now test a subsample of 30 bees from the sample that you send. This is a great improvement, and I commend them. However, I would not recommend that any commercial beekeeper determine their nosema control decisions based solely upon a sample of only 30 bees. Randy Oliver **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:37:32 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: CCD Waves- question for Bob H In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Guys, Two more thoughts. Jim, I looked back and noted that your nosema samples were taken from the broodnest. This will tend to give you a low count by a factor of 10 or more. Bob, the only time that I've seen substantial fall "swarming" was when bees first suffered from PMS. But I did note a couple of rare fall "swarms" in my operation last year. This phenomenon might tie to the overall jitteryness reported for CCD colonies. Randy **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:25:24 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Yoon_Sik_Kim?= Subject: Beekeeping Class Preparation-Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, I have been asked to teach “Sustainable Beekeeping” class, under a Sustainable Horticulture program here at OSU-OKC, and I have a few practical questions for those who taught or have given some thoughts about teaching a similar class: 1. Should I ask the students to purchase the whole protective outfit, or only a hat and a veil to lower the cost? 2. Since the school does not own a hive, I will be using my own apiaries as part of students’ practicum, a hands-on field experience, required for the course. How much should I charge for letting the school use my own bees? 3. Should I ask the students to sign off a legal disclaimer against potential life-threatening situations caused by bee-stings although I cannot imagine how someone would knowingly sign up for the course when he/she is truly allergic? I am, nevertheless, well aware that colleges have closed their horseback riding classes due to actual life-altering tragedies and the resultant litigations. The above is all I can think of for now since my brain is fried, busy from picking up feral swarms and rescuing them from structures; incidentally, I am seeing, so far, smaller swarms, typically smaller than three-deep- framers. I hope their size improves as we head into May, a full-blown swarm season around here. As always, I would appreciate your thoughtful insights, inputs, and comments. Thanking you in advance, Yoon **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:16:01 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Absconding/Swarming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must be misreading this discussion. Swarming/absconding at unusual times of year - we've seen that with CCD where bees did this in California in December. However, there also seems to be some confusion on the List about what is absconding versus swarming, which surprised me. So much so, I double checked my reference books to be sure I wasn't wrong in my assumptions about the terms. Absconding and swarming are not the same, the distinction is clear. Roger Morse and Ted Hooper refer to swarms as daughter portions of a dividing colony, which is the definition I learned years ago. By all definitions, absconding is abandonment of the nest. Everybody goes. The bees don't produce queen cells, or if any are present, these will usually be empty. In the broadest definition, you could say that the absconding bees form a swarm that leaves. The swarm itself is composed of a queen, workers, and drones (depending on time of year). Typically, the word swarming is used to describe the division of a colony, the reproductive process. In this case, the old queen and a relatively large part of the work force leaves to establish a new colony, leaving bees, resources, and one or more queen cells with developing queens (although I've occasionally seen a virgin queen that emerges as or just before the swarm). Some colonies that divide produce a primary swarm, then one or more after swarms. So, you might argue, as Morse and Hooper note, that there can be intermediates between swarming for reproduction, queen replacement without swarming, and absconding. Absconding bees form a swarm, but its not a daughter portion, but rather the original colony. And obviously, technically, the term daughter portion is incorrect, since its usually the parent queen that leaves, although some secondary swarms may have daughter queens. Overall, I don't have any problem distinguishing absconding from swarming, if you inspect the beehive. If every bee goes with no option for sustaining the original colony - no bees, no queen, then by my definition, that's absconding. If one or more replacement queens are left in the parent colony with a work force of bees, that's what I term a swarming event. The mass of bees flying past is a swarm. It could be a daughter swarm or the original colony population. One caveat - in areas with high pollution or heat stress, we have seen bees abscond. Later, we found a queenless cluster of worker bees in the box. Apparently, these bees were out foraging when the colony absconded, came home to an empty box. Jerry **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:28:47 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Brian Fredericksen Subject: Re: Transportation of Queen cells Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I saw a queen cell carrier like this in an American supply catalog but can't recall were. This unit is from New Zealand and plugs into a cig lighter. http://www.carricell.com/Carricell.html **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:27:57 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Absconding/Swarming In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jerry & All, I am glad Jerry is not puzzeled by what many are seeing. Many of us are starting to believe the biggest problem facing commercial beekeeping is not CCD (whatever CCD is) but nosema ceranae. Absconding or swarming? My point was that many are finding empty hives (Jim & Dave) at a time when bees do not normally swarm. If they absconded the hive would be empty.( not always of course!) If the bees swarmed and the bees did not raise another queen then the bees would drift to other hives (lack of queen pheromones but not always of course) making the hive empty. Either way when the beekeeper arrives he simply finds empty hives. Did they swarm or abscond? If a handfull were in the field when the swarm left then those bees would try to raise a few cells if the old queen left young larva. You can take a small piece of comb with larva and shake a couple hundred bees in and the bees will in most cases make a queen cell or two. bob **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:10:27 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: Absconding/Swarming In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry, Would it be reasonable to try and differentiate between "Abscond" and "Desert" a brood base (Hive). IMHO, Bees may be just folding up shop and deserting the location. Regards, Peter **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:25:54 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Ian_Steppler?= Subject: Re: poor crop in Argentina? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Juanse Barros , Thanks for your comments, How many hives do you operate in Chile? Canada has been importing Chilian queens form your country, I have some on order. Have you heard of this happening? What do you think of it? What do you think of the further development of a Canadian breeding program in your country? Ya, or Nay to the idea. I am very excited about the whole program. Could bring our industry huge advantages! Thanks Ian **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:22:08 +0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Roger White Subject: absconding/swarming is it CCD? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to All, I told Jerry a while back that I thought that all the CCD scenario was = just mass swarming/absconding - he said at the time that it did not fit = the situation in the USA and that what I had observed in Cyprus during = mid to late summer was probably something completely different. To make = a short story out of a long one - one or more hives absconds and bees = (workers/queens/drones) from some or all of the hives in the apiary join = this absconding swarm, which can either stay in the vicinty of the = apiary, or just fly off to pastures unknown and may also enter other = colonies in the same apiary or elsewhere. I have personally seen all = this happen and with this in mind can see that many observations = reported by others support this scenario/hypothesis. I proposed at the time the acronym of MASS (Multiple Absconding Swarming = Syndrome). Best wishes Roger White Cyprus. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:26:30 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Ted_Hancock?= Subject: Re: Absconding/Swarming Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:16:01 EDT, Jerry Bromenshenk wrote: >By all definitions, absconding is abandonment of the nest. Everybody goes. >The bees don't produce queen cells, or if any are present, these will >usually be empty. Hi Jerry, Years ago I remember reading about a researcher who had placed a hive on an extremly sensative electronic scale. This enabled him to record when bees left and returned to the hive. He used the scale under a hive heavily infected with acarine mites. If I remember right, as the hive collapsed the infected bees (abandoned? absconded?)- left in waves of several thousand bees at a time. Has such a scale been used on a hive collapsing from CCD? Ted **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:26:02 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: absconding/swarming is it CCD? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger is correct about telling me about mass swarming. However, I have NOT YET SEEN the mass swarming that he describes. Lots of absconding and swarms, but you can see them coming from individual hives. And our counter data says we get an initial loss of forager bees, then a dwindling each day as fewer than expected forager return. That's NOT a mass swarming event. We have seen some unusual swarms (mostly because of time of year - swarming in winter?). But, that's NOT appear to be the norm, just another of the anomalies that we see. Jerry **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:44:11 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Plaisted Subject: Re: Absconding/Swarming In-Reply-To: <244E27D7D2064687BCEE214FCA68A7B9@bobPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob an All: =20 " My point was that many are finding empty hives (Jim & Dave) at a time whe= n > bees do not normally swarm. If they absconded the hive would be empty.(= not > always of course!)" =20 =20 I don't think this has anything to do with CCD, and everything to do with n= osema ceranae.I have observed over the past 2 years, high numbers of swarms= in Sept, a time when normally a hive does not swarm. =20 =20 Now whether these are actually swarms or they are absconding, I am not sure= . The hives that "swarmed" usually have a fair number of bees left, and th= ey do raise a queen, sometimes the queens mate successfully, most times not= . Either way, the hives do not make it through our winter. Most of the re= ason I feel the hives don't make it is simiply lack of enough brood cycles = to build up the hive before winter hits. =20 Now if this happened in a warmer climate, where the remaining bees can drif= t to other hives, maybe that is what CCD is.....or not.. =20 One of the things I do know is that VM counts are usually low, as in two or= three per hive. =20 =20 =20 I have to believe this is due to nosema ceranae. The big question is how m= any beekeeps are treating for nosema ceranae, and are the treatments only m= asking the inevitable? =20 Jim =20 =20 http://www.northernqueens.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale= =3Den-US?ocid=3DTAG_APRIL= **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:57:52 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gavin Ramsay Subject: Re: Absconding/Swarming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Jerry and All How about 'reproducting swarming' and absconding as the alternatives. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone is thinking about the possibilities of Nosema inducing hormone changes and thereby bringing about absconding. There have been ideas floating about for some time that microsporidians such as Nosema may somehow cause the boosting of juvenile hormone in parasitised insects. Might that - or something similar - disrupt colony function and cause them to leave for pastures and cells new? all the best Gavin **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:02:03 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Absconding/Swarming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ted I'm not aware of an electronic scale hive under a CCD colony. We did manage to get a bi-directional bee counter on the entrance of one. Our counter consists of a row of portals, each portal has two Infra-red detectors under a clear floor, an IR emitter in the roof). The counter queries the detectors 200x per second. The software notes which detector is blocked and in what order, for each of the 16 portals. The portals (small tunnels) are just wide enough for a single bee to pass at a time. We've run these counters for more than a decade. They are very reliable and VERY accurate. A healthy colony generally sees 94-96% return for any given day. The small percentage loss is from bees that drift, get lost, or die in the field. We've seen colonies with 98% return rates. Some exceed 100% due to drift. Amazingly, some colonies recorded over 0.5 M flights per day. Quarter million is fairly common. Biggest problem with CCD - you don't know which colony is going to get it. IF we did, it would be easy to rig them up with counters. Note, a scale only gives you weight changes. The counters give you the numbers of bees exiting and entering the colony for every minute of the day/night. Jerry **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 03:24:47 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Juanse Barros Subject: Re: Transportation of Queen cells In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The "wetback" way of doing it is letting the bees to take care for the cell. I use a styrofoam icecream box with a bed of cotton. A bit of water. Some holes in the cover for the bees to breath, and a bunch of young bees inside to take care of the cells. I take the cell out of the rising hive at day 9th after grafting so there is no damage to the wings cause of the movement. I have manage to drive 1000 km and put the cell during the next two days without any damage to the queens. It works and it is cheap. -- Juanse Barros J. APIZUR S.A. Carrera 695 Gorbea - CHILE +56-45-271693 08-3613310 http://apiaraucania.blogspot.com/ juanseapi@gmail.com **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:30:52 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Mike Stoops Subject: Re: Transportation of Queen cells In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Brian Fredericksen wrote: I saw a queen cell carrier like this in an American supply catalog but can't recall were. This unit is from New Zealand and plugs into a cig lighter. Check with your auto parts store. A lot of spark plugs come in styrofoam containers that are just right for transporting queen cells. Mike in LA --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * ****************************************************