From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 11:04:05 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-88.9 required=2.4 tests=AWL,FUZZY_PRESCRIPT, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B2F483F7 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SG3Y6a017265 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:03:35 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0809C" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 82331 Lines: 1982 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:27:51 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Maine Physician Offers Bee Venom Therapy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Maine Physician Offers Bee Venom Therapy The Sweet Sting of Relief By Kathryn Skelton, Sun Journal (USA), 9/14/2008 http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2008/09/maine-physician-offers-bee-venom.html Before a transatlantic flight, he arranges for 40 bee stings in his back. (It's extra-relaxing, of course.) Maine's Théodore Cherbuliez and his bee venom therapy. Théodore Cherbuliez teaches people how to get bees to sting them. He coaches how to aim a bee, how to get its shot of venom to hurt a little less and how it can provide a jolt of non-traditional pain relief to the not-so-squeamish… **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:29:56 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Video: The Science Behind MGO Manuka Honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Video: The Science Behind MGO Manuka Honey http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2008/09/video-science-behind-mgo-manuka-honey.html Anti-bacterial MGOâ„¢ Manuka Honey from Manuka Health New Zealand is a natural health honey that contains methylglyoxal, the compound thought to produce superior anti-bacterial activity in the honey. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:49:21 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: mite-way II In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > Mike, I checked today--no problems here with MiteawayII Randy Oliver **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:53:40 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Walter Zimmermann Subject: cheap/inexpensive sugar for syrup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Greetings all It's time to make syrup for feeding fumagilin-b as most do I check around for the cheapest price and found what I thought was white granulated pure cane sugar. happened to be at WalMart the first bag was white the rest were off white obviously it wasn't totally refined so my question is does molasses hurt bees ? cause that's why the sugar is slightly off white and the syrup is quite dark your thoughts/input please Walter Ontario ________________________________________________________________________ Play free online games at http://www.gamevault.ca. 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Play now! **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:38:56 -0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: BBC short video on bee loss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although this video is short, it does reflect the worry about honey bee colony losses http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7613786.stm Regards, Peter **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:09:25 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Jim_?= Subject: Re: cheap/inexpensive sugar for syrup Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > found what I thought was white granulated pure cane sugar. > happened to be at WalMart I'd be very careful. I suggest taking the "brown" bags back to Mall-Wart for an exchange. Make Mall-Wart eat their problem, rather than your bees. Here's a few things that may be of help: Unless the bag clearly says "Pure Cane Sugar", you are certain to be buying beet sugar. Now, there's nothing wrong with feeding your bees beet sugar, because, despite what many may want to believe, the bees can't tell one form of sucrose from another. Beet sugar should be white also, so the source of the sugar would not explain the off color. > the first bag was white the rest were off white > obviously it wasn't totally refined That would be very rare, given how the refineries work. I'd be more inclined to think that it was contaminated with something after being fully refined. Even "brown sugar" is almost always fully-refined white sugar that is merely sprayed with molasses after being fully refined. This article I did in 2003 may explain more fully: http://bee-quick.com/reprints/sugar.pdf > does molasses hurt bees ? If you are correct, and it is molasses, it will not hurt, as it is simply an indigestible component of the syrup, and will pass though the bees undigested. If the bees can still fly during the time you are feeding fumagilin, and your only use for this feed is specifically for the application of feeding fumagilin, then you likely can get away with it. But we have no idea what the impurity might be, and I assume that you'd rather not spend a few hundred bucks on a lab to find out what the impurity might be, so I would NOT use this sugar for any sort of fall or spring feeding, as confined bees would be unable to digest the impurities (whatever they are), and you have no way to assure yourself that all the feed you feed will be consumed before cold sets in. Here's my best guesses: a) Mall-Wart buried its ethics with Sam Walton. I wouldn't trust that company any further than I could comfortably spit a rat. b) Note the 2008 hurricanes, and their tracks through places like Cuba, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica, and other sugar-cane-producing nations. Note that in a hurricane, bags of refined sugar could get soaked with anything, even if stored in a good warehouse. (Wind shakes building, stacks of pallets collapse, giant mess results, sugar is sold at salvage prices to a wheeler-dealer broker, and so on.) c) The sugar might have been repackaged into new bags after being sold as "salvage" or scrap to a broker. "Always Low Prices" means "Always Lowest Quality". Did you think that someone was selling sugar below cost and hoping to make money by selling at a loss at higher volume? d) Despite what you wanted to do with the sugar, it was being sold for human consumption, so any impurities might be cause for grave concern on a public health basis. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:25:54 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: FW: 'Unprecedented Levels' of Pesticides Found in Wax, Bees, Pollen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----Original Message----- From: editor@medibee.com [mailto:editor@medibee.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:50 PM To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Pesticide Buildup Could Lead to Poor Honey Bee Health Andrea Messer and Vicki Fong, Penn State University, 9/16/2008 http://www.gantdaily.com/news/43/ARTICLE/30844/2008-09-16.html **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:18:33 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Local pollen price. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you, Brian. Based on the responses, I plan to sell mine at $6 for 4 oz in a 1/2 lb glass jar. Best regards, Waldemar in the mpls area bulk B-pollen in a bin at a coop store is $12-$14 a pound packaged is typically higher **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:16:01 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Walter Zimmermann Subject: cheap/inexpensive sugar for syrup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Greetings all again thanks Jim in fact the bag did state 100% cane sugar the word white is not on the bag it's packed by Sweet Source here in Ontario what's on the package is Natural fine granulated I called the phone # on the package and spoke with customer service and advised them of my findings and that bees in the fall should not be fed with syrup with any molasses in it they told me that at the beginning and the end of a refining process the molasses is still somewhat in the sugar so I guess they buy this stuff really cheap and sell it really cheap In the meantime I had contacted our chief apiarist who advised not to feed the syrup for wintering bees and save it for spring since it's hard on them. I found brand named sugar for 20 cents a bag cheaper than walmart elsewhere and made a new batch So if there are any beeks from Canada reading this that's the advise up here straight from the top. So buyer beware Walter ________________________________________________________________________ Play free online games at http://www.gamevault.ca. Word, arcade, puzzle and more. Play now! **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:34:03 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Juanse Barros Subject: N ceranae new paper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.apitrack.com/pdf/Espania_Enviromental_Microbiology_09_2008.pdf -- Juanse Barros J. APIZUR S.A. Carrera 695 Gorbea - CHILE +56-45-271693 08-3613310 http://apiaraucania.blogspot.com/ juanseapi@gmail.com **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:59:58 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Juanse Barros Subject: Varroa outbreak in North Canterbury - NZ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4689304a3600.html -- Juanse Barros J. APIZUR S.A. Carrera 695 Gorbea - CHILE +56-45-271693 08-3613310 http://apiaraucania.blogspot.com/ juanseapi@gmail.com **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:53:37 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Mike_Bassett?= Subject: Re: mite-way II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit response from mite-way Hi Michael: Just now getting a chance to answer your email. Small office, busy day. It is quite possible to see the weeds killed by the formic fumes. It is also quite possible to see some dead bees and brood in front. The formic will kill off the older, weaker bees, especially this time of year. A couple of questions. Are the hives strong? Are they double brood chambers? The queen should go in and relay after the first week, and your hive should be back to normal by the end of the 21 day treatment. This is how the label reads. As long as it doesn't get too hot in the first 7 days of treatment (above approx. 82 degrees)your hive should rebound quite well. Liz Corbett I guess our n.y. weeds aren't as strong as randy's weeds in california. mike bassett syracuse **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:15:56 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: FW: Royal Jelly Proteome Explored MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----Original Message----- From: editor@medibee.com [mailto:editor@medibee.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:37 AM Royal Jelly Proteome Explored Royal Jelly Proteins Are Set SpectroscopyNOW.com, 9/15/2008 http://www.spectroscopynow.com/coi/cda/detail.cda?id=19468&type=Feature& chId=10&page=1 **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:54:47 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: kurt Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?=CE=B2-Cyclodextrins?= as Carriers of Monoterpenes for v arroa IPM Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed =CE=B2-Cyclodextrins as Carriers of Monoterpenes into the Hemolymph of = the =20 Honey Bee (Apis mellifera) for Integrated Pest Management Blaise W. LeBlanc, Stephen Bou=C3=A9, Gloria De-Grandi Hoffman, Thomas =20= Deeby, Holly McCready, and Kevin Loeffelmann Carl Hayden Bee Research Center, USDA ARS, 2000 East Allen Road, =20 Tucson, Arizona 85719; Southern Regional Research Center, USDA ARS, =20 New Orleans, Louisiana 70179; and Southwest Watershed Research, USDA =20 ARS, 2000 East Allen Road, Tucson, Arizona 85719 J. Agric. Food Chem., 56 (18), 8565=E2=80=938573, 2008. = http://dx.doi.org/=20 10.1021/jf801607c from the abstract: The Varroa mite (Varroa destructor) is becoming ubiquitous worldwide =20 and is a serious threat to honey bees. The cultivation of certain =20 food crops are at risk. The most noted acaricides against Varroa =20 mites are tau-fluvaninate and coumaphos, but the mites are showing =20 resistance. Since these insecticides are used in the proximity of =20 honey, it is desirable to use natural alternatives. Monoterpenoids =20 such as thymol and carvacrol, that are constituents of oil of thyme =20 and oil of origanum, show promise as acaricides against the Varroa =20 mite (Varroa destructor), but the delivery of these compounds remains =20= a challenge due to the low water solubility and uncontrolled release =20 into the colony. =CE=B2-cyclodextrin (=CE=B2-CD) inclusion complexes of =20= thymol, oil of origanum, and carvacrol were prepared on a preparative =20= scale. ... The toxicity of =CE=B2-CD and the prepared complexes in =20 enriched sucrose syrup was studied by conducting caged honey bee =20 (Apis mellifera) feeding trials. After the first and second weeks of =20 feeding, hemolymph and gut tissue samples were acquired from the =20 caged bee study. The levels of thymol and carvacrol were quantified =20 by solid-phase microextraction gas chromatography mass spectroscopy, =20 using an optimized procedure we developed. High (mM) levels of thymol =20= and carvacrol were detected in bee tissues without any imposed =20 toxicity to the bees, in an effort to deter Varroa mites from feeding =20= on honey bee hemolymph.= **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:46:27 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: mite-way II In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > > I guess our n.y. weeds aren't as strong as randy's weeds in california. The weeds in most of my Calif yards have been bone dry and straw-colored since July. Our last rain is typically in May--early May this year. I don't see bee or brood kill even when using Miteaway in hot weather (up to 90F), even on singles (at low 80s), although the label strongly cautions against using on small colonies. And yes, we block off the bottom screens, although I'm not sure that is necessary (might be better to just let the mites drop out of the hives). It looks like we sometimes lose a bit of eggs the first day, but the rest of the brood looks fine. Our humidity is quite low, although I don't know if that has anything to do with it. For the first day or two, the exhaust from the entrance of the colony will stop your breath due to the formic fumes. But up on top, the bees will be walking all over the pads, and feeding normally on pollen supp and syrup. Randy Oliver **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:56:49 -0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: N ceranae new paper In-Reply-To: <7eb65cc10809162034o7d98073m9369ea21665d9007@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juanse Barros referenced: http://www.apitrack.com/pdf/Espania_Enviromental_Microbiology_09_2008.pdf ...The more foragers infected, the smaller the number of brood combs and the fewer frames full of bees (Pearson, P = 0.001, CATPCA, Fig. S1). This relationship did not hold for the proportion of infected interior bees or the spore counts. The dynamics of bees and brood combs were related to the proportion of infected foragers and the maximum mean temperatures (regression stepwise: adjusted R2: 0.702). No statistical differences could be established with other meteorological parameters. Taking the above in isolation! Does this mean that a poor summer etc. as suggested by several sources as a root cause to colony deaths does not hold water? Losses in Canada have so far been a result of weather induced stress. OR: Temperatures have influenced the # of infected foragers, which in turn have "failed", which then stressed population dynamics within the colony. This eventually resulting in an inability to maintain proper timing of brood production. Cumulating in collapse of the colony. A little explanation would be welcome. Many thanks, Peter **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:57:17 -0700 Reply-To: deelusbybeekeeper@yahoo.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Varroa outbreak in North Canterbury - NZ In-Reply-To: <7eb65cc10809162059s254936bcgb29f23b75153f2d5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I liked reading this one better as more information. =A0 http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4690985a3600.html=A0dtd 13Sep08 =A0 Dee A. Lusby =0A=0A=0A **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:09:19 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Video: The Science Behind MGO Manuka Honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Presumably Manuka honey also inhibits beneficial bacteria in the digestive system? If so, then it would seem unwise to eat it unless infected by something like e-coli. Should manuka come with a health warning on the label? Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers at stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:24:25 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: C Hooper Subject: Video: Propolis May Help Keep Honey Bees Healthy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Video: Propolis May Help Keep Honey Bees Healthy U Researchers Hope to Revitalize the Honey Bee Minnesota Daily (USA), 9/17/2008 http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2008/09/video-propolis-may-help-keep-honey-bees.html Entomology Professor Marla Spivak is trying to change the 20-year decline in honey bee populations. Spivak and her lab are focused on figuring out how to make bees healthy, particularly using their natural behaviors, said entomology graduate student Michael Simone… Propolis , tree resin collected by bees to seal their hives, may be another natural mechanism of disease resistance, Simone said. The resin has antimicrobial properties and is highly regarded for its human health benefits in some parts of the world, such as Japan and Brazil, Simone added. Simone’s research focuses on answering how and why bees collect this resin and looking at how it influences bees’ immune systems at a genetic level. He said if it does turn out to prevent disease and offer health benefits to colonies, it could be applied in the beekeeping industry… **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:54:40 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jim Young Subject: Mosquito Aerial Spray in Louisiana Comments: cc: Patrick Young Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Beekeepers in Louisiana should be aware of aerial spray in their area. Beginning September 19, 2008 mosquito aerial spraying will start in four Louisiana parishes, Cameron, Vermilion, Iberia and St. Mary, in hurricane impacted areas and continue during the next few weeks. Additional parishes may be added as needed. Specially equipped U.S. Air Force Reserve (AFRC) C-130H cargo planes from the 910th Airlift Wing, Youngstown, Ohio will be conducting the aerial spraying operation using the insecticide Dibrom (also known as naled) approximately the last 2-3 hours of daylight. The planes will be flying at or above 200 feet above ground level during the actual spraying application dispensing Dibrom in ultra-low volume droplets. Spraying is necessary to prevent the possible spread of mosquito-borne diseases such as West Nile virus and other encephalites that are endemic to this area. Jim Young Medical Entomologist, Retired **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:06:12 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Jerry Bromenshenk Subject: Bee Alert Dial In Video Conferencing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All We often get requests to present from Bee Associations who can't afford to bring us to them, and unfortunately we don't have travel funds to just go visit anyone who asks. We also have times when a beekeeper, grower, or small group of people would like to talk to us, share ideas. Toward that end, we have installed a group video conferencing system in our University Offices. It uses a Polycom VSX 7000 system which is becoming fairly common in Universities and many businesses. This isn't your simple camera ball on a laptop, but it also isn't a one-of-a kind-conference system. Tandberg sells a similar, compatible system. Our Polycom system is on 7/24 in a dedicated room in my outer Bee Alert/EPSCoR office on the UM campus. Assuming you have a compatible system at your end, we have two-way video and audio, and we can plug in a laptop and share presentations such as Power Point shows, and show video clips. Its not the same as being in the same room, but its not bad. We see you, you see us, and we can share information, presentations, etc. This capability is part of the education and research outreach of the Montana Dept. of Energy EPSCoR (Experimental Program to Stimulate Competitive Research) that I direct from UM (in my spare time, when I'm not conducting bee research). So, if you have access to a system on your end and want to do more than simply talk with us on the phone, we can have meetings with full audio/video/presentation capabilities. If you want us to present to your group, and you meet in a room that has one of these systems or where you can plug one in (many Polycoms are portable, just need a high speed internet connection), we should be able to arrange it. To dial the UM DOE/EPSCoR Office (also known as jerrys.office) from your Polycom or Tandberg, call: 192.73.48.66 # # 615364. You need to include the # # keystrokes. Apparently, you have to pound on the gatekeeper :). Thanks Jerry J.J. Bromenshenk P.S. I've three offices. Best time to catch me on the Polycom is in the mornings, since I am usually across town in the afternoons. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:16:20 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Jim_?= Subject: Re: Mosquito Aerial Spray in Louisiana Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Beekeepers in Louisiana should be aware > of aerial spray in their area. So, rather than trying to pump the water out of your basement, or put a roof back on your house, you've got to move your bees as fast and as far away as you can by TOMORROW NIGHT. All this is because of the PR value of... > mosquito aerial spraying Which never, ever works. > Specially equipped U.S. Air Force Reserve C-130H > cargo planes... will be... aerial spraying... > approximately the last 2-3 hours of daylight. "Specially equipped", but unable to fly a mission at night? We had this same problem in NC and VA years ago in the aftermath of hurricane Floyd. In that case, it turned out that the pilots were not "instrument qualified" to make night flights. The planes were in fine shape and had all the toys a pilot could want. It was pilot training that was lacking. > flying at or above 200 feet above ground level Somehow, I doubt that anyone could be trusted to fly a C130 so low unless they were instrument qualified. You don't have much horizon at that altitude. Luck for the crew that the area is flat. Why not at least ask the question? Why not ask them to spray at night just this once? > the insecticide Dibrom (also known as naled) Naled? An Adulticide? And a freakin' ORGANOPHOSPHATE??? Hasn't anyone down there heard of larvacides, and how utterly useless the spraying of anything, especially adulticides has been shown to be by multiple studies? (Here's a few citations and articles from a slightly more rabid group than I'd prefer to cite, but they have a good archive - http://www.stopwestnilesprayingnow.org/Articles.htm ) But what's the pesticide label say? http://tinyurl.com/47v2en or http://www.amvac-chemical.com/media/pdf/products/specimen_labels/dibromcon.pdf ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS This pesticide is toxic to fish, aquatic invertebrates, and wildlife. Runoff from treated areas or deposition of spray droplets into a body of water may be hazardous to fish and aquatic invertebrates. Before making the first application in a season, consult with the primary State agency responsible for regulating the pesticides to determine if permits are required or regulatory mandates exist. Do not apply over bodies of water (e.g., lakes, swamps, rivers, permanent streams, natural ponds, commercial fish ponds, marshes or estuaries), except when necessary to target areas where adult mosquitoes are present, and weather conditions will facilitate movement of applied material away from the water in order to minimize incidental deposition into the water body. Do not contaminate bodies of water when disposing of equipment washwaters or rinsate. This product is highly toxic to bees exposed to direct treatment on blooming crops or weeds. To minimize hazard to bees, it is recommended that the product is not applied more than two hours after sunrise or two hours before sunset, limiting application to times when bees are least active. Do not apply this product or allow it to drift to blooming crops or weeds while bees are visiting the treatment area, except when applications are made to prevent or control a threat to public and/or animal health determined by a state, tribal or local health or vector control agency on the basis of documented evidence of disease causing agents in vector mosquitoes or the occurrence of mosquito-borne disease in animal or human populations, or if specifically approved by the state or the tribe during a natural disaster recovery effort. Oh, sure! Spraying at (Let's see, stall speed for a C-130 is 100 knots or so, and that's 115 MPH, so lets call the speed they'd pick for a "treetop" terrain-hugging mission at least 10% above stall speed...) 126 MPH and at 200 feet above the terrain, the crew will be able to see all the blooming weeds, water, crops, and comply with each and every one of the label restrictions listed above. Face it - beekeepers must pack up their hives and flee the listed counties, or likely lose their hives. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:21:44 +1200 Reply-To: peter@airborne.co.nz Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Bray Subject: Re: Video: The Science Behind MGO Manuka Honey In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Presumably Manuka honey also inhibits beneficial bacteria in the > digestive system? This 1999 study: Manuka honey against Helicobacter pylori. McGovern-DPB; Abbas-SZ; Vivian-G; Dalton-HR Journal-of-the-Royal-Society-of-Medicine. 1999, 92: 8, 439; 1 ref. concluded that manuka honey is ineffective at eradicating H. pylori. Another unpublished NZ study found the same. So there is no evidence that it has any antibacterial activity once you eat it, i.e. unlikely to inhibit beneficial bacteria in the digestive system. _________________________________________________________ Airborne Honey Ltd., Pennington St, PO Box 28, Leeston, New Zealand Fax 64-3-324-3236, Phone 64-3-324-3569 http://www.airborne.co.nz peter@airborne.co.nz **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:17:49 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.net" Subject: [BE-L] These Miami bees do not appear to be African... Comments: cc: pso-l@pso-usa.orgserv Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://news.aol.com/article/thousands-of-bees-swarm-miami-homes/180000 **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:37:35 +0200 Reply-To: hugo.thone@edpnet.be Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hugo_Thon=E9?= Subject: checkmite + MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Where can I buy CheckMite+ on the internet ? cheers, Hugo (1/2 bee) **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:01:57 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: FW: Bee Venom May Help Treat Hypertension MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: editor@medibee.com [mailto:editor@medibee.com] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 7:57 AM http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2008/09/honeybee-kir-channe ls.html **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:36:11 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: de roeck ghislain Subject: Pesticide news from Italy. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clothianidin, thiamethoxam, imidacloprid and fipronil forbidden in Italy: http://www.ministerosalute.it/imgs/C_17_comunicati_1817_testo.rtf Best greetings, Ghislain. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:40:35 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Pesticide news from Italy. In-Reply-To: <67758B16FA354CAE91A3B2E9D4829583@PCvanGebruike> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Ghislain & All, I do not speak Italian so can not read the actual information but I have been in contact with English speaking beekeepers directly involved. Those beeks have shown the powers that be that many of the hives crashing are in areas of maize (corn) and their hives away from corn are unaffected. The Italian agriculture ministry has listened and observed what those beeks are seeing concerning corn. One of the main problems with getting similar action in the U.S. *in my opinion* stems from the fact the makers of the products being banned around the world are American companies. Giant U.S. agriculture corporations. Same way in my opinion in Canada. Billions are being made on those products by these corporations and although very very easy to register it is very very hard to unregister or get label changes. I have seen the first hand results of the neonicotinoids on honeybees as has the major beeks in the U.S. We do not buy the lies being put forth by those companies. Consider the growing list of European countries backing beeks. France. Germany Italy United Kingdom Eventually the rage against the neonicotinoids will become a roar in the U.S. as more and more beekeeping operations are effected and more and more environmental groups get involved. The beekeeping industry has been finding ways to survive the problem, Not doing pollination for those using neonicotinoids, Feeding patties to try and prevent bees from storing poison pollen and moving away from areas using neonicotinoids are several solutions we can implement NOW. At least a few of us will step forward to protest the neonicotinoids as problems for bees when many researchers only whisper among their selves their real thoughts and are too afraid of repercussions from speaking out. In Europe many researchers have taken a stand with beeks. In the U.S. not one researchers has spoke out other than use vague references to a possible problem with neonicotinoids and bees. I do understand why U.S. researchers have not spoke out about the statements made by U.S. beeks having problems with the neonicotnoids. I have many friends in the U.S.D.A. and not one researcher has emailed saying I am wrong about the neonicotinoids. I do understand why only one article has ever been published concerning the neonicotinoids as the main topic. Old saying: "Justice is the will of the stronger" Most commercial beeks are using the three points I made to avoid neonicotinoid problems. In the case of varroa articles were written about "living with varroa" Now we need articles on "surviving the neonicotionds" HFCS vs sucrose I did have a few voice concerns when I did the article on HFCS ( ABJ April 2007). Mostly from the sellers. Now a year and half later its hard to find a beek still using HFCS. The industry as a whole agrees the bees do better on sucrose than the *current* HFCS being sold. In my mind bees did do fine on HFCS a decade ago. I do not know what is different today but sucrose is worth in my opinion the higher cost. Dr. Pamela Gregory ( USDA_ARS Weslaco Bee Lab) could not prove why bees lived half as long when feed HFCS vs sucrose but one can not argue which the test results. The two poisons found in minute quantities (not found in sucrose and have been in HFCS from the start) do not seem to be the reason. Reason still an unknown. For unknown reasons Dr. Gregory was told to stop doing research on HFCS. The same pressure was placed on the USDA-ARS HFCS work done in 1974 at the Tucson bee lab. USDA research on HFCS was dropped even though beeks pushed for further research. The above is documented beekeeping history. No future research on HFCS is planned. I personally would like to find out why bees lived half as long when fed HFCS over sucrose. Maybe the research would lead to makers being able to solve the problem and beeks could feed a cheaper feed. I am told the USDA and a researcher have involved lawyers to solve the issue and get the research going again. Will keep the list posted. bob interesting history: In 1929 Dr. Banting (discoverer of insulin) said he felt the process of refined sugar would cause diabetes and said if America did not lose its love affair with refined cane & beet sugar diabetes would be in record amounts in 75 years. Dr. Banting could never prove exactly what in the extracting process was the problem. Diabetes is a huge problem today. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:16:07 -0400 Reply-To: lloyd@rossrounds.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Cause and Effect - Diabetes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bob said "interesting history: In 1929 Dr. Banting (discoverer of insulin) said he felt the process of refined sugar would cause diabetes and said if America did not lose its love affair with refined cane & beet sugar diabetes would be in record amounts in 75 years. Dr. Banting could never prove exactly what in the extracting process was the problem. Diabetes is a huge problem today." Hmm...in 1929 we did not have Zebra Mussells in the US, and we had few Carniolans or Sculleta's. Therefore, today's problems with diabetes must be caused by Zebra Mussells, Carniolans or Sculleta? I don't think so. My understanding is that the principal reason for increased diabetes is the increase in obesity. IMHO, the increase in obesity is primarily because EVERYTHING we eat seems to contain corn syrup. From ice cream to ketchup to canned tomatoes. Bob sure knows more about making a living with beekeeping than I ever hope to, but I'm not sure his analogies are always correct. Lloyd -- Lloyd Spear Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacture of equipment for round comb honey sections, Sundance Pollen Traps, and producer of Sundance custom labels. Contact your dealer or www.RossRounds.com **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:02:42 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: mite-way II In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Calif update on Miteaway treatment. Mike, I just checked back on a yard of small colonies that we dropped down to singles, and are feeding. We applied Miteaway a few days ago. There is large colony to colony variation in response. The singles with 8-10 good frames of bees appear to be fine. However, a few weaker colonies apparently couldn't ventilate adequately, and lost a number of adults (don't know where they went, but not on the ground), and killed some sealed brood. Sounds just like the manufacturer describes in their literature. Randy Oliver **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:16:49 -0700 Reply-To: deelusbybeekeeper@yahoo.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Cause and Effect - Diabetes Comments: To: lloyd@rossrounds.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too much carbohydrates in diet. Cut out white sugar, use honey instead and = since probably deficient in chromium go get some and add to diet with other= vitamins if needed and/or talk to doctor for amount to take relative to ag= e/weight. =A0 Dee A. Lusby =0A=0A=0A **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:22:27 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: mite-way II In-Reply-To: <3dcef4a10809191802i3f84f150xf0e7c99c915c7087@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Randy & All, Randy said: The singles with > 8-10 good frames of bees appear to be fine. However, a few weaker > colonies > apparently couldn't ventilate adequately, and lost a number of adults > (don't > know where they went, but not on the ground), and killed some sealed > brood. Interesting. I have seen the above in fall with eggs & larva before when hot but never in spring. Also never lost sealed brood to my knowledge but maybe happened and did not notice the pulled and tossed brood. As i said in another post seeing a small amount of brood kill is a sign the varroa kill level is correct. A large amount and the formic level is too high *or* as Randy said the bees can not ventilate the hive. Actually many said exactly what Mike and Randy observed with formic as the dosage for hives is not always the same. The dosage can vary which is what Bill Rusika has said from the start. I always wondered about the single formic dose but realize each beek needs to make adjustments as necessary. One adjustment is to cut a slice in the top of the formic package if temps drop towards the last days of treatment. However not recommended by David V. when I told David some beeks used the method. The method increases the dosage during the last seven days in my opinion. You only need a six inch cut in the plastic and not cutting the pad. I have had fall temps when I had to remove the pads due to temps which is a pain but according to David V. only needs done if the temps are high in the first 7 days, In spring I have got all bees in doubles and a few in triples. In fall a few in singles. Because of hot fall weather I currently use apigard in fall ( 3 -25 ml. doses). i had minor problems with eggs/ larva brood kill with two 50 ml. doses but still up the dose on bees in triples and strong. The only problem with apigard on my bees is the strength of my hives. The bees clean and remove the holder in less than 7 days many times. All left if the foil top or completely chewed and tossed out the entrance. I am in the process of making a holder for apigard the bees can't chew and remove. So far so good in trials. bob Ps. I recommend both miteaway 2 & apigard **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:31:39 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: FW: Italy Bans Pesticides Linked to Bee Devastation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: editor@medibee.com [mailto:editor@medibee.com] Sent: Sat 2008.09.20 08:10 Italy Bans Pesticides Linked to Bee Devastation Environmental News Network, 9/19/2008 http://www.enn.com/wildlife/article/38233 **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:11:23 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Peter L. Borst" Subject: Cause and Effect - Diabetes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lloyd wrote: "My understanding is that the principal reason for increased diabetes is the increase in obesity." Lack of sufficient exercise likely plays a key role. Fad diets are usually a bad idea. It's always easier to blame something or someone outside of ourselves. Try parking at the far end of the parking lot! > The American Diabetes Association (ADA) recommends maintaining a healthy weight, getting at least 2½ hours of exercise per week (several brisk sustained walks appears sufficient), having a modest fat intake, and eating a good amount of fiber and whole grains. > The ADA does not recommend alcohol consumption as a preventive, but it is interesting to note that moderate alcohol intake may reduce the risk. There is inadequate evidence that eating foods of low glycemic index is clinically helpful. * * * > As the low-carbohydrate-diet fad slowly loses steam, another may be moving in to take its place: the glycemic index fad. There is not enough evidence yet to show that such an action actually will improve your blood glucose levels; and second, choosing foods based solely on GI will compromise healthy eating. Base your food choices on a nutritionally balanced diet, while controlling total carbohydrates. http://www.diabetes.org/glycemic-index.jsp pb **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:24:37 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "deknow@netzero.net" Subject: Re: FW: Italy Bans Pesticides Linked to Bee Devastation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit here is the (automatic) translation from the Italian: Protecting heritage apistico: precautionary suspension of plant protection products used in the treatment of tanning seeds Undersecretary health Hon Francesca Martini announced that following the opinion issued on September 16 last year by the Consultative Commission for Fitosanitari Products was issued today the Ministerial Decree of precautionary suspension of plant protection products containing active substances neonicotinoid thiamethoxan, clothianidin, imidacloprid and the active substance fipronil used in the treatment of tanning seeds. The measure in question also concerns the suspension of use by farmers of seed treated. The suspension of plant protection products cited above, adopted on the basis of scientific findings reported by the aforementioned Commission and the precautionary principle, will gain useful information about the deaths of bees in the use of such substances. It will be also conducted a monitoring programme nationally to identify the causes of the depopulation of hives that seems to be related to a number of factors (diseases, climate trends, poor nutritional value of pollen crop, plant protection products etc..). Italian » English Translate **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:11:27 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: mite-way II In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bob said > I recommend both miteaway 2 & apigard Me too, Bob. I've used Apiguard extensively this year. The temps are finally getting low enough for me to use Miteaway on those colonies that still had uncomfortable mite levels. Both products are well designed, but both have the problem of temperature issues--for me, it is high temps. It appears that you can get around the problem with Apiguard by applying only 25g in the middle of the broodnest, where the bees keep it cooler. We were able to get Apiguard into some colonies early this summer between flows, and that appears to have really set back the mites--two doses about 10 days apart. I need to see if it flavored the honey (haven't extracted that honey yet). As far as higher temps with the formic pads, colony strength appears to be a big issue. Strong colonies can handle a lot. Putting a second lid on top of the colony for shade also appears to help in hot weather, but I soon run out of extra lids. This is all a learning curve for me--I sure appreciate hearing Bob's and others' experiences. Randy Oliver **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:27:59 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_L_Borst?= Subject: Re: Cause and Effect - Diabetes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:16:49 -0700, Dee Lusby wrote: > since probably deficient in chromium go get some and add to diet WARNING, BAD ADVICE! Quoted material: In the last decade Cr has become amazingly popular as a nutritional supplement, weight-loss agent and muscle development agent. Among mineral supplements products containing Cr are second in sales only to Ca-containing products (Nielsen, 1996). However, this popularity is not reflected in the level of understanding of how Cr functions in the body or even of whether the element is essential. The daily requirement for human subjects is small, i.e. approximately 30 micrograms, such that it is difficult for healthy individuals to develop Cr deficiency. Thus, the use of Cr supplements is probably unnecessary for the general public. However, the use of certain Cr supplements, such as Cr(pic)3, is probably harmful. While nutritional supplement levels of Cr do not appear to have beneficial effects, pharmacological quantities of Cr may increase insulin sensitivity in both healthy subjects and subjects with type 2 diabetes. In March 2003 the Expert Group on Vitamins and Minerals of the UK Joint Food Standards and Safety Group requested that the health supplement industry should voluntarily withdraw Cr(pic)3-containing products, while also consulting on a ban on the use and sale of Cr(pic)3 in the UK. Recent advances in the nutritional biochemistry of trivalent chromium John B. Vincent The University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:41:31 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: mite-way II In-Reply-To: <3dcef4a10809200811v81a8cc7qd5e785b80eeb7268@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Randy & All, > This is all a learning curve for me--I sure appreciate hearing Bob's > and others' experiences. Me too! Its very hard for the makers of apigard and miteaway 2 to produce a label which fits all needs. Usually only slight modification is needed. usually the modification involves less of the product or modification due to temperature concerns. I will say the brood loss *in a healthy strong hive* with the above is minimal compared to the need to knock varroa back with both products. However with careful attention to temps and making a few slight changes you can almost eliminate the brood kill. Both apistan & checkmite had high efficacy when first released. I could clear a strong hive of varroa with both products with a single strip. I NEVER used more than a single strip ( 2 deep brood boxes). many beeks followed label and used 2 apistan in top and two in the bottom box. Same with checkmite. Dumb and overkill! Like using 00 buckshot to kill a rabbit or pheasant! No wonder high levels of choumaphos & fluvalinate are found in their comb. Those beeks followed label without testing. Waste of money and contaminated their comb. Of course the makers said comb contamination would never be a problem. Said these levels were needed for varroa control. bob **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:28:06 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.net" Subject: Re: Cause and Effect - Diabetes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>Lack of sufficient exercise likely plays a key role. Fad diets are usually a bad idea. It's always easier to blame something or someone outside of ourselves. Try parking at the far end of the parking lot! We have the genes of our hunter gatherer-predecessors, who on average walked 10 miles a day, and our lifestyles that involve very little physical activity. We eat very little wholesome food that nature provides blindly opting for processed *foods* with a fraction of the nutrition needed by our bodies. If your body and food lack key nutrients required for good health, you will overeat on processed foods trying to compensate and get sufficient nutrients. Then you look like a hog (or not), get diabetes, heart disease, cancer cells (that everyone has) turn into tumors... Change your lifestyle, thinks positive, and eat mosly raw foods and the majority of *civilization* diseases go away. Japan is the record holder for the number of people over 100 years old. Okinawa, a traditionally poor, hard working region, beats the Japanese national average 4 to 1! They have folks over 100 who take care of the 'old'! Reading about Okinawan family values, basic food consumption, positive disposition makes fascinating reading. Folks, don't let them fool into believing it's merely your genetics. Okinawans in Hawaii and elsewhere who have adopted the Western model do not enjoy the same life expectancy as the people in Okinawa. Waldemar **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:53:29 -0400 Reply-To: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: James Fischer Subject: Re: Cause and Effect - Diabetes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NOTE: This post contains actual practical factoids of value to beekeepers, rather than just musings about Diabetes and Obesity. Lloyd said: > EVERYTHING we eat seems to contain corn syrup True Dat! - They are now even adding it to WATER. Check it out - "Vitamin Water" contains what they want to call "Crystalline Fructose": http://teamsugar.com/group/366709/blog/541747 125 calories and 33 grams of sugar It also has "electrolytes" (Rent or bittorrent the movie "Idiocracy" to see how that electrolyte thing works out over the long term - I laughed hard at that movie). Dee said: > Cut out white sugar, use honey instead Nope, that won't work - sugars are sugars are sugars, and replacing white sugar with honey won't do a thing for your weight or your health. The type of sugar in one's diet does not matter one bit, not to humans, and not to bees. For most humans, it is a simple issue of too many calories in, and not enough calories expended. There are three major trends that have been going on for most of my adult life: 1) Portion sizes keep getting bigger and bigger everywhere. 2) "Low Fat" is what everyone wants, and when one takes out fat, one ends up with tasteless food, which is made more tasty with the addition of HFCS, which is a very flexible and useful additive to the pre-packaged foods everyone buys these days. 3) Cooking is now a spectator sport. Despite all the cooking shows on TV, people actually buy and eat the pre-packaged pseudo-food. This is why the "Food Network" shows are sponsored by the makers of the pre-packaged convenience foods. No one seems to notice this dichotomy until I point it out to them. (It's like "This Old House" being sponsored by a maker of Double-wide mobile homes!) As an illustration of the whole "portion size" issue, we can look at soft drinks. During the last Great Depression (1930s, not to be confused with the current Great Depression, where taxpayers are forced to bail out the same banks that are foreclosing on the taxpayers' homes) Cokes came in 6-oz bottles. Then Pepsi came out with a 12-ounce bottle for a nickel, the same price as for the 6oz Coke. This was the start of it all. Fast forward to the 1970s, when 7-11 came out with the "Big Gulp" - a 32-oz drink. Then came the 44-oz "Super Big Gulp". Then the 64-oz "Double Gulp". Yes, 1/2 GALLON. The strange thing is that 7-11 also came out with the 20-oz sized "Gulp" soon after the 64-oz size. Why? Psychology! People tend to NOT pick the smallest OR largest size of anything, a point that can be crucial to beekeepers who sell at farmer's markets and fairs. You need to display at least THREE sizes of honey, maybe four, and you want to bottle only a small number of the largest and smallest sizes. Here's the science to back up the assertion. Its from Duke. (Ok, it is only a PhD thesis, but we can't assume that the faculty reviewing this thesis was any easier on these kids than they were on us back when we got our tickets punched.) http://tinyurl.com/3re4kd or http://dukespace.lib.duke.edu/dspace/bitstream/10161/616/1/D_Sharpe_Kathryn_ a_200805.pdf Of course, there are some things out there that are indicative of a much deeper and serious problem. Much, much deeper. Like this - a 2,300 calorie Baskin Robbins milkshake, each one containing roughly 1/2 pound(!!!) of sugar. http://tinyurl.com/44mdru or http://www.baskinrobbins.com/Nutrition/Product.aspx?Category=Beverages&id=BV 228 Recall for a moment that adult males are supposed to limit themselves to 2,500 calories per day. But what sort of main course would such a milkshake go with? Here's what 30 seconds of google came up with: 1) Hardee's "Monster Thickburger" (two one-third-pound patties with bacon, American cheese, and mayonnaise on a buttered bun) 2) Hardee's "Philly Cheese Steak Thickburger" (same as above, minus one patty plus grilled steak, onions, peppers, and swiss cheese). 3) Carl's Jr.'s "Double Western Bacon Cheeseburger" 4) Wendy's "Baconator", (six strips of bacon, two patties, two american-cheese slices) 5) Burger King's "BK Stackers", in double, triple, and even quadruple sizes. Here's a technical comparison of the giant burgers with all the calories and grams of saturated fat and such: http://tinyurl.com/6m32tx or http://www.portfolio.com/interactive-features/2008/01/Hardees **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:57:43 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: Unlimited broodnest hives and migration. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/09/2008 16:48:17 GMT Standard Time, randy@RANDYOLIVER.COM writes: Last point is that splitting can be an effective method to help manage varroa. The break in brood cycle really sets back the mite population. Even better if you destroy the first brood to be sealed after a break as it should contain a very high proportion of the mites. Chris **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:15:47 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Cause and Effect - Diabetes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am sure all know that there are two classes of diabetes- type one and type two. The cause of type one is not known, but is evolving. Some people are genetically predisposed to type one, but even there, the genes have to be turned on to get it. It is not known how the genes get turned on. Type one is fairly limited in who gets it. One identical twin can have it while the other does not. You can get it even in later life. My brother-in-law was diagnosed with it only recently and he is in his 60s, and has a controlled diet (his wife is an organic vegetarian), thin as a rail and exercises. Something turned it on. Type two is related to weight and exercise and can be controlled by losing weight and exercising. Any of us can get type two. But the kind of exercise may also be a factor, since some muscles (upper body like arms) have been shown to control insulin levels. So you can be overweight, but have good muscle tone and not get type two. As far as trying to pin the cause on any one food, it is not the kind but the amount. Overweight is overweight, be it by white sugar, honey, big macs or granola. However, HFCS is a bad sugar as it does not signal to the brain to control its amount, while sucrose does. So a coke with sugar will cause you to limit the amount you eat, while one with HFCS will not. Just think of all the foods out there with HCFS that are not signaling to the brain that enough is enough. My mother had type two and it was controlled with diet. I have several relatives and friends who did not control it and lost legs or their lives, so I am profoundly interested in what is going on the the diabetes world. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:45:34 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Mike_Bassett?= Subject: Re: mite-way II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:22:27 -0500, Bob Harrison wrote: >In spring I have got all bees in doubles and a few in triples. In fall a few >in singles. > >Because of hot fall weather I currently use apigard in fall ( 3 -25 ml. >doses). i had minor problems with eggs/ larva brood kill with two 50 ml. >doses but still up the dose on bees in triples and strong. Bob how do you treat the triples, with both products. I currently put the product between the second and third brood chamber if the third is full of only honey, which seems to work fine. How do you measure the 25 ml of apigard?? if its a triple do you put the 50 ml on the triple?? and do it three times. All the rest of the hives that I put apigard instead of mite-way, cleaned it up in under seven days. I never thought of the temp being lower in the middle as Randy said, but made me think a bit, when i used to treat for traceal mites with menthol, I insulated some of my outer covers with different material's to lower the temp so it would evaperate slower, but no way to know if that changed any of the results. also I now suspect that alot of the dead brood happend to be the hives cleaning out droan lava as hives that I hadn't checked or treated started about the same time. I would highly recommend formic for weed control as it is more organic than roundup. As far as the hives not being strong enough to ventilate, My guess was the oposite, because the weed control was out 1-2 ft. from the entrance of the hives. thanks mike bassett syracuse, now that the golden rod is gone, the weather forcast is for nice clear weather, no rain. **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:40:42 -0700 Reply-To: gfcg7312003@yahoo.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Grant Gillard Subject: Recovering diabetic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting thoughts on this elusive topic. =A0 I'm a type-2 diabetic.=A0 After suffering sufficient spousal abuse of "You = know, you really should see a doctor for an annual check up," I decided to = go.=A0 After all, I'm approaching 50,=A0the magical age for digital exams a= nd prostate trouble.=A0 My mother=A0unexpectedly=A0died=A0when she was=A0ag= e 47. =A0 I=A0always had good health and no symptoms of any kind so I never= saw the need to see a doctor.=A0 I am not obese and leisurely exercised fa= irly regularly, but not consistently, and not too strenuously.=A0 I ate wha= tever and whenever I wanted, seemingly without consequence.=A0 But the weig= ht of my wife on my back suggested an appointment to conclude there was not= hing wrong with me. =A0 Initially, on the first of my routine office visits, my fasting glucose lev= els were 150 to 160 mg/dL.=A0 At that time, a diabetic level was 126 mg.dL.= =A0My doctor questioned if, in fact, I was truly fasting.=A0 He wanted to = put me on a medication of some sort.=A0 The alternative was moderation in m= y diet, more disciplined exercise, weight loss of about 15 to 20 pounds (I = wasn't obese, just expanding in the wrong direction).=A0 He said a lot of p= eople make the promise to=A0cut back and exercise more, but few have the di= scipline and perseverance to keep it up.=A0 He was ready to write me a pres= cription.=A0 As much as I was in denial of being diabetic, I was going to p= rove him wrong. =A0 I cut out regular sugared/HFCS soda completely (it wasn't uncommon for me t= o get some gas and one of those kidney-busting 64-ounce sodas every day) an= d ate smaller, more regular meals with more fiber and exercised more consis= tently. =A0 My weight is only down about 5 pounds, but I feel like I've replaced muscle= weight for the fat weight.=A0 My last check up was last week and my fastin= g glucose is now at 118 mg/dL and my A1C is down to 5.4 =A0 My doctor is satisfied, but still wants that fasting level below 99.=A0 I d= on't look overweight or out of shape, I still love my honey (yeah, that oth= er one, too), and I occasionally partake of some of the worst glycemically = indexed foods.=A0 I still deny I'm a REAL diabetic, I'm still clueless as t= o the real cause, but for me, moderation and smaller portions has worked wo= nders, combined with some consistent exercise.=A0=20 =A0 I think, rather ignorantly,=A0the cause lies with an abundance of overly-pr= ocessed foods and an increasingly sedentary lifestyle combined with older a= ge and a slowing metabolism.=A0 Remember those days when we actually had to= get up to change the TV channel? =A0 My doctor says there is no cure.=A0 The disease is progressive.=A0 The only= difference is the acceleration and our choices that affect that rate. =A0 Grant Jackson, MO=0A=0A=0A **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:37:23 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: randy oliver Subject: Re: Unlimited broodnest hives and migration. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > >Last point is that splitting can be an effective method to help manage > varroa. The break in brood cycle really sets back the mite population. > > Chris wrote >Even better if you destroy the first brood to be sealed after > a break as it > should contain a very high proportion of the mites. A point to consider also, Chis, is that the first sealed brood may also become multiply infected, and those mites may have poor or no reproduction, or even die along with the pupa. We could use more research in this area. Randy Oliver **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * ****************************************************