Received: from relay.internode.net (relay.internode.net [198.161.228.50]) by sysx.internode.net (NTMail 3.02.12) with ESMTP id allend for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:55:21 -0700 Received: from [169.226.1.21] by relay.internode.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id ACAD4E00130; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:37:01 -0700 Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7258; Wed, 29 Jan 97 11:50:37 EST Received: from CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1) by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with BSMTP id 7281; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:50:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:50:34 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8c)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG9611E" To: "W. Allen Dick" Resent-From: Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 09:37:09 EST Resent-To: allend@mail1.internode.net Message-Id: <16552108003459@systronix.net> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:51:00 SAT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jorge Contador Subject: Re: processing propolis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >---------- >Hi Michael> >> I am very interested in the hand out you mentioned,but since I live in Santiago,Chile Please , Give me your adress and say me how much to send the many by certificated air mail many thanks Jorge Contador contado@rreuna.cl ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:05:32 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eric Abell Subject: Re: processing propolis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hi Michael> >> I am very interested in the hand out you mentioned,but since I ... The above sentence is representative of requests for your propolis information and I suspect you have been deluged with private mail. I, too, am interested but have been sitting on the sideline waiting for someone much more clever and I to propose an electronic transfer of this material. I am not familiar with the detail but what is possible? - Place the document on a web page for download. - Get it into an email message format and mail (simply cut ant paste) to those who request it. A lot easier than licking a bunch of stamps. - Attach the document to a message as a file. - Are there other alternatives? (other than snail mail) Eric Eric Abell Gibbons, Alberta Canada (403) 998 3143 eabell@compusmart.ab.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:17:59 +0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: George_Willy Subject: Re: Bear damage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Would anyone out there willing to donate some high quality color photographs >> of bear damage to honey bee hives for an extension publication please >> contact me at nwc4@cornell.edu. Thank you. >> >> Nick Calderone >> Dept. Entomology >> Cornell University >> nwc4@cornell.edu >> Nick Everything is cleaned up now. Ill ask around at the next meeting of our association or can have some fresh photos for you next year. George ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:18:03 +0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: George_Willy Subject: Re: Foundation Making Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Hello Sid, > Would you send me information on the firm where you buy the wax pre= ss? > > >>The name of the press is Herzog, quoted output 20 to 30 sheets per hour,( = my >>speed is nearer 20) and is now available in various sizes, Dadant =A3320, >>Langstroth =A3280, around 420 dollars. This is the price quoted by local >>appliance firms so might well be cheaper purchased direct. >>Sid. P. > >God Bless, >Kelley Rosenlund rosenlk@freenet.ufl.edu >Gainesville, Florida, U.S.A., Phone:352-378-7510 >200 hives, almost 2 years in beekeeping. 8 frame deeps,shallows. Kelley: I apparently have missed some mail or the message is incomplete. I am very interested in a foundation press other than the hindged, homemade sandwich type. Herzog is the name. Do you have an address of the company. Thanks for the trouble. George Willy The Village Inn of East Burke PO. Box 186 East Burke, Vt. 05832 802-626-3161 http://luna.genghis.com:88/villageinn/welcome.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 22:45:42 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gordon Scott Subject: Newsletter uploaded MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII "The Basingstoke Beekeeper" December 1996 newsletter is now on my homepage. Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Gordon's Apis Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 00:56:15 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rick Grossman Subject: Re: Desensitization Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Is homeopathy any good for stings??? >David Warr >Cheshire >UK Homeopathic Medicine does have a remedy for bee stings called (appropriately enough) Apis Mel. It is used to treat bee stings - takes away the swelling reaction. I don't know that it actually works to desensitize people that are allergic. I'll folllow up when I get more details. Rick Grossman Oregon, USA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 11:33:51 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "D.C.Mink" Subject: varroa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings! I am a UW Madison graduate student developing a story about bedding down varroa decimated beehives for the winter, progress in coping with the infestation and prognostications for the year to come. How serious is the threat of mite infestation to honeybees and honey production in the United States? How would you describe the econonomic impact of the infestation in this country? What do the mites do that kills bees? What more familiar process might it be compared to? I would also appreciate some framework information: How many bees inhabit how many humanmade hives in the US? How does that compare to the past 1-5 years? 5-10 years? For the same intervals, how much honey have they produced comparatively? For the same intervals, how many acres or sq. miles do they pollinate comparatively? What crops do bees pollinate? Do any other species contribute to this pollination? (butterflies, hummingbirds, etc.) If so, in what proportion? If not, what alternatives, if any exist? I have heard that 60% to 80% of honeybees were lost last winter, compared to normal annual loss of 5-6%. Is this accurate? What else should I know to treat this subject adequately? Thank you for your prompt and generous attention.! Sincerely, Deborah Mink ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:50:24 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Re: Botulism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Trevor Weatherhead wrote: >Here in Australia this question was also raised a few years ago. The point at >the time was that infants under one year old were at risk and should be not >feed honey. > >It was never ever really conclusively proved to be the case but the reply the >industry used was, I think, a good response. It was:- > >If there is the slightest risk of anything happening to infants under one year >of age by feeding honey, DON'T. They will have the rest of their life to >enjoy the great taste of honey. ****** In her 1990 book, BEES AND BEEKEEPING, Eva Crane wrote (p. 408): "There have been discussions of infant botulism in relation to honey, especially in California, from 1976 onwards. The causative bacterium, CLOSTRIDIUM BOTULINUM, is very common in soils, and Californian soil is one of the most highly contaminated in the world [with the bacterium]. A 1982 survey of infant food identified the bacterium also in corn syrup, so it is unlikely to have any specific relationship with bees or bee products (Crane, 1979b; 1983b; Huhlanen, 1987). Surveys of honeys from some other countries have shown no trace of the toxin, e.g., France (Colin et al., 1986) and Norway (Hetland, 1986)." Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 893-2838 (UCSB office) Ecol., Evol., & Marine Biology (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara (805) 963-8508 (home office & FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 ************************************************************************* * "The difference between real and unreal things is that unreal things * * usually last much longer." Pot-Shots #6728 * * Copyright, Ashleigh Brilliant --- used with permission * ************************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:26:36 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Joe Hemmens Subject: Re: varroa Comments: To: "D.C.Mink" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello Deborah I am a beekeeper in the UK who is a member of a research group that have been studying some of the questions that you have asked. Of course my viewpoint is from the UK, but most will be relevant to the US. > I am a UW Madison graduate student developing a story about bedding down > varroa decimated beehives for the winter, progress in coping with the > infestation and prognostications for the year to come. > How serious is the threat of mite infestation to honeybees and honey > production in the United States? Serious but maybe not as serious as some would suggest. European countries have suffered with Varroa for decades! So their experience is the best guide to what will happen in the US. Probably - - Initial panic amongst beekeepers - The development of real experiences of infestation and the knowledge of the infestation and how to treat it. - Scare stories in the press!! - The loss of many feral colonies and high colony loss by many beekeepers - 'Let alone' beekeepers no longer have bees to keep - Stories appear about lack of pollination in vulnerable crops - Beekeepers begin to learn how to live with Varroa - Reduced losses due to Varroa. > How would you describe the econonomic impact of the infestation in this > country? I don't know about the US, which relies more on the use of beekeepers moving bees for pollination than most parts of Europe. Beekeepers will be able to provide these colonies (after initial losses), but with the loss of feral bees this will be more important. I would expect the cost of pollination to rise and therby slightly increase the cost of those foodstuffs. Eventually (not for many decades) Varroa tolerant bees. > What do the mites do that kills bees? What more familiar process might it > be compared to? This is still poorly understood, Varroa feed on larval haemolymph and it has been thought that it is this does the damage. But new work is showing that in fact bees can tolerate very high infestations and what kills bees are the viruses that are already present within the bee population (or maybe transmitted by Varroa). Varroa inject proteins when they feed (anti-coagulants etc.) it is now thought that this causes the viral level of bees to rise greatly, overcoming the bees resistance to disease. It seems to bre the experience of areas that become infested with Varroa that after subsequent high losses the losses decrease rapidly, this is probably due to the fact that the disease resistant bees remain and the less resistant ones have been eradicated. > I would also appreciate some framework information: You'll have to be more explicit! I can point you in the direction of a book about Varroa if you are interested I can also tell you how to search the Bee-l Listserv for all messages containing the word 'Varroa' if you're feeling really keen! > How many bees inhabit how many humanmade hives in the US? How does that > compare to the past 1-5 years? 5-10 years? Don't know > For the same intervals, how much honey have they produced comparatively? Somebody posted information on this recently, you may have to ask the list again with that specific question > For the same intervals, how many acres or sq. miles do they pollinate > comparatively? Don't know > What crops do bees pollinate? Do any other species contribute to this > pollination? (butterflies, hummingbirds, etc.) If so, in what proportion? > If not, what alternatives, if any exist? This is a US specific question to which an answer could easily be found I'm sure. Any list would include - Beans Blueberries Apples/Pears Citrus Plum family Cherries Oil Seed Rape (you have another name for this in the US -= but I know its a commonly used cooking oil) and many many other crops/plants/trees > I have heard that 60% to 80% of honeybees were lost last winter, compared > to normal annual loss of 5-6%. Is this accurate? I suspect this may be an exaggeration, but I don't know US figures, although SOME areas may have had these losses. Best wishes Joe Hemmens ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:09:59 -0900 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tom & Carol Elliott Organization: Home Subject: Re: Botulism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adrian Wenner wrote: > A 1982 survey of infant food identified the bacterium also in corn syrup, so it is > unlikely to have any specific relationship with bees or bee products > (Crane, 1979b; 1983b; Huhlanen, 1987). Surveys of honeys from some other > countries have shown no trace of the toxin, e.g., France (Colin et al., > 1986) and Norway (Hetland, 1986)." In addition a significant percentage of cases of Infant Botulism (I do not recall the exact number, but it was quite significant) studied did not involve honey or any other hive products. But, there have been Costridium Botulinum spores found in some honey samples. So there is no point in argueing with such irrationality. Proverbs 26:4 says "Don't argue with the folly of the fool, so that you do not become like him." Australia probably answered wisely, in the light of the evidence. -- "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) Tom Elliott Eagle River, Alaska U.S.A. beeman@alaska.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:26:22 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Re: processing propolis In-Reply-To: <199611281605.JAA06542@bernie.compusmart.ab.ca> from "Eric Abell" at Nov 28, 96 09:05:32 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: There are many ways to transfer documents in either ASCII (plain text) or binary form. FTP (file transfer protocol) is probably the fastest and most reliable means of moving files. . However, you need FTP software setup on either your own or your Server's Computer. Also, unless you set up an automatic download, folks who are unfamiliar with the FTP procedure won't know how to access your files. Some Web sites incorporate automated FTP. Also, you can always put your document into a Web Page. Then, anyone with access to the Web can read and at their choice print or copy the document. Several current Word Processors will now automatically convert documents into an HTML file format for a Web page. Attachements to e-mail work, but I have learned to really hate these. Ok, attached files in ASCII format should always transfer with no problems (all computers recognize ASCII - Macs, PCs, Unix boxes). Stick to ASCII and I won't complain unless you dump a long, unsolicited file on me. But ASCII files drop out formatting information, so they look rather plain, and most of us want to send the document that we made in our word processor or to send a copy of a document with figures and graphs. Most of these documents are produced and saved in a binary format. In theory, you can transfer binary files as attachments (but these often turn out to be a problem and can be a real headache. If you and I use the same type of computer and similar mail packages, and if I use either the same word processing software or one that can translate your document, everything works. But if you use a Mac, and your Server is a VMS machine, and I use a PC and my server is a UNIX box, and oh yes, I use Word Perfect and you use Microsoft Word, the odds are that I can't read your file. In fact, I often get binary files that crash or lock up my system. Because of the work that I do, people are always sending me large, binary files. If someone would standardize all of the compression routines and word processor output formats, we'd have no problems - but standardization is far from being a reality. Bottom line, I can always get, read, print, and save your ASCII attachment (or delete it if I wish). But, my success rate with Binary files sent either as a Binary or Mime file format is less than 50%. Just because your system sent it doesn't mean that I can use it. Given this problem confounded by the fact that my Server provides only a limited amount of space for incoming mail (so if I get several long attachments in a single day, all of my mail dumps), and you see why I am biased against unsolicited e-mail attachments. Personally, I like FTP or Web Pages for this task. Cheers Jerry Bromenshenk The University of Montana-Missoula jjbmail@selway.umt.edu http://grizzly.umt.edu/biology/bees ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:25:59 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adony Melathopoulos Subject: Re : Vegetative growth of B. larvae In-Reply-To: <199611300026.RAA31915@selway.umt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know of any studies that have measured the number of B. larvae vegetaive cells that can be present in larval hemolymph and gut during various times of an infection ? Thank you in advance *********************************** ** Adony P. Melathopoulos ********* *** Center for Pest Management **** **** Simon Fraser University ****** ***** Burnaby, British Columbia *** ****** Canada, V5A-1S6 ************ *********************************** Tel : (604) 291-4163 Fax : (604) 291-3496 e-mail : melathop@sfu.ca "The pursuit of agriculture promotes the strength of the mind as well as the body" - Rev. John L. Blake, 1853 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 11:20:01 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Eyre Subject: Re: processing propolis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jerry J Bromenshenk wrote >There are many ways to transfer documents in either ASCII (plain text) or >binary form. >(or delete it if I wish). But, my success rate with Binary files sent >either as a Binary or Mime file format is less than 50%. Just because >your system sent it doesn't mean that I can use it. > >Given this problem confounded by the fact that my Server provides only a >limited amount of space for incoming mail (so if I get several long >attachments in a single day, all of my mail dumps), and you see why I am >biased against unsolicited e-mail attachments. I have been at a show for the last couple of days, so am slightly out of touch. Wasn't the original post asking the question on how to send a sheet of typing (text) attached to an e-mail message, to avoid postage. What we do, as we get lots of requests for the same information ie. tech specs, price lists etc. We have that info in another program (Ms Works) and then we just copy and paste into the e-mail message. For example that info from Dr. James Amrine re. Essential Oils is held on my hard drive under essenoil1.txt if somebody requests that, it's only a few key strokes and away it goes. Using this method will save file attachments and the possibility of virus transmission. One final point for all the unsure 'newbies'. To check out your message capabilities, send a message to yourself. All you need to do is put your own address in the "To" box and what ever you send will come back to you. It will allow you to set up all the switches and parameters instead of getting messages only as wide as this one piece you can set the widths and characters per line to fill the page and be more legible. Regards to all, happy thanksgiving to all our Southern cousins. **************************************************** * David Eyre 9 Progress Drive, Unit 2, * * The Beeworks, Orillia, Ontario, L3V 6H1. * * beeworks@muskoka.net 705-326-7171 * * http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks * * Agents for: E H Thorne & B J Sherriff UK. * **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 11:41:21 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "MR WILLIAM L HUGHES JR." Subject: Bees near chemical plant I have been approached by a man who raises pumpkins for sale around Halloween. Over the last two years his yield has dropped over 80 percent due to the lack of pollination. He wants me to place several hives on his property. There is plenty of forage for them, his pumpkins and over 200 acres of soybeans and cotton. My question is that there two large chemical plants within 1 mile of his location. Could the honey become contaminated or am I worrying about nothing. Bill Hughes Bent Holly Honey Farm Brighton, Tennessee USA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 13:05:11 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Harry Sweet Subject: Re: Bees near chemical plant In a message dated 96-11-30 12:11:13 EST, you write: > My question is >that there two large chemical plants within 1 mile of his location. >Could the honey become contaminated or am I worrying about nothing. > >Bill Hughes >Bent Holly Honey Farm >Brighton, Tennessee USA The air's polluted most everywhere. Your plant might be the cleanest in the world but I wouldn't want to find out that honey I'm eating comes from there. My bees are in a commercial *organic* garden but who knows what the neighbors are spraying around their houses. Diazinon, malathion, dursban etc. Chemical plants usually produce dioxin, a by-product of chlorine bleach or #3 plastic (pvc). It's worse than ddt. 90% of Dioxin we're exposed to comes from meat and dairy products. It collects in fat. Who knows what's in our honey. If my bees are where I live then it shouldn't make too much difference. Do you know where your vegies are grown? Do you drink tap water? We all buy or use some products that contribute to the polluting of this planet (and ouselves) , and we will until we decide it's not worth it. Harry Sweet N. California ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 10:35:09 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Roy Nettlebeck Subject: Re: varroa In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 28 Nov 1996, D.C.Mink w > What do the mites do that kills bees? What more familiar process might it > be compared to? > Hi Deborah, The above questions have a few answers.The last part is more like AIDS than anything else that I know of in our country (USA).Varroa is a vector for 3 Viruses. We have a general way that a hive will die with varroa.PMS parasitic mite syndrome. It is a combination of bees weakened by Varroa sucking the blood (hemolymph) out of them and giving them a virus. When I lost 50 hives in the fall of 95 to Varroa , they were being overcome by more than being just weak.They were droping too fast ,( 30 days or less).A virus could cause that type of behavior. I wrote at that time to Dr. Christine Peng at UC Davis and she told me that she was just getting started on a grant to explore the relationship of Varroa and viruses.I was able to get some very good info from Dr. Tellie Welsh up in Ontario Canada.She told me to send up a sample for testing , but by that time I did not have a good sample to send her. She did say, that they had one antiserum and were working on more. She works with Dr Brenda Ball in the UK. Now we have the USDA ,headed by Dr. Shimanuki working on the virus/varroa problem.This is a very complex relationship and the researchers are learning more every day. It is like HIV and we have no complete cure. We need to slow down Varroa and I think that is happening.We need to work on the virus problem and that takes money. We all need to share in the cost in the research.This is a world problem , not a USA problem. The UK is the leader in Bee Virus research , with Canada. I know that other places in the world are working on parts of the problem.On internet you will find good info on varroa. Best Regards Roy ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 10:35:18 +1100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Nick Wallingford Organization: Nat Beekeepers Assn of NZ Subject: Honey-infant botulism bibliography MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have posted a bibliography of articles related to honey and infant botulism and short descriptions to my pages (along with a number of other bibliographies): http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/nickw/biblio.htm (\ Nick Wallingford {|||8- home nickw@wave.co.nz (/ work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz NZ Beekeeping http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/nickw/nzbkpg.htm -- End --