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Allen Dick" Resent-From: Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 09:38:28 EST Resent-To: allend@mail1.internode.net Message-Id: <16565959203467@systronix.net> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:50:58 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Malcolm (Tom) Sanford, Florida Extension Apiculturist" Subject: honey bee statistics (fwd) Comments: To: General questions MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I suspect any estimate is suspect, but is there one? Tom Sanford ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:56:38 -0800 From: Nancy C. Hinkle, Ph.D. To: mts@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU Subject: honey bee statistics Dr. Sanford, Greetings from California! I'm trying to track down some statistics on the industrious honey bee. Can you tell me how many bee days are required to produce a pound of honey? That is, how many honey bees working how many days can produce a pound of honey? (Or, one bee, working how many days, could produce a pound of honey?) Tell the UF folks "hi" for me. Nancy Hinkle ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:14:09 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Fischer Subject: Re: Botulism REGARDING RE>Botulism Adrian Wenner wrote, quoting sources" >Surveys of honeys from some other > countries have shown no trace of the toxin, e.g., France (Colin et al., > 1986) and Norway (Hetland, 1986).< To which Tom Elliot replied: >there have been Costridium Botulinum spores found in some honey >samples.< Notice that we are comparing apple with oranges. The pertinent point in this whole discussion is that neither botulism toxin nor the Claustridium botulinum organism is found in honey. However, the *spores* may be present since they are ubiquitous. And given the right conditions, these spores may germinate and reproduce. Apparently among conditions permitting germination are the GI tracts of certain predisposed young infants. And following such germination, a nutrient rich medium would be perfect for the organism's multiplication and subsequent excretion of the botulism toxin. It is because of this that it is only prudent to post warnings about feeding of honey to newborn infants. Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan USA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:33:52 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Guy Miller Subject: bee-days per pound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When I give bee talks I tell people that a teaspoon of honey is the life's work of 12 honeybees. I don't know where I got that statistic, but if you were moderately good in math you could work that up to bee-days per pound. Even though I know the number may be wrong, it has made me feel guilty about letting any of it go down the drain in the extracting process. It's my obligation not to waste the life's work of anyone. Guy F. Miller My basic credo: If you walk slow enough, Charlottesville. VA you can lead the next parade. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:39:11 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tim&Elisa Sharpe/Moseley Subject: Message Headers We have seen a discussion in a Goat List about using a special message header to identify Goat messages from other messages that arrive in the same e-mail box. The Goat list administrator changed the configuration of the list software to prefix the subject with "PGoat". It has made sorting the goat messages from the other e-mail much easier. With the high volume of messages that the Bee-Line List generates we would like to put this idea out to the members of the list and the administrator. Is anybody else interested? Elisa & Tim Sharpe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:16:02 +1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Chris Allen Subject: Re: Message Headers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:39 PM 2/12/96 -0500, you wrote: >We have seen a discussion in a Goat List ..... prefix the subject with "PGoat". It has made sorting the goat messages from the other e-mail much easier. > With the high volume of messages that the Bee-Line List generates we would >like to put this idea out to the members of the list and the administrator. > Is anybody else interested? A more practical approach is to filter your messages by using the sender's name. My e-mail package is Eudora Pro. I can create as many mail boxes as I like. I have created a special mail box for BEE-L messages. I have set the filters that will direct all mail from BEE-L into this mail box by looking for BEE-L in the FROM: header. If I do not want to use special mail box, I can click a button that will sort the entries by any of the following Status Priority Attachments Label Sender (From:) Date/time received Size Subject (it ignores the string "Re: ") To simply identify which messages come from BEE-L, the Sender's identity is all ready sufficient. If you cannot do this on your system, perhaps you e-mail package is a one of the more primitive types and getting a better one would be more appropriate. PS I have considered applying additional filters to messages from BEE-L to put the messages into more pigeon holes. However that would require a very tight discipline on all contributors to the list to make it work. I quickly dropped that idea. The sort buttons will do what I need when I need them. Regards Chris Allen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:17:02 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jim Maus Subject: Re: processing propolis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we all have completed our honey gathering seasons and for the most part everyone's bees are winterized. I think it would be a good thing if anyone that wanted to respond would tell the list about QUEEN sources that are very good to excellant that each has used. I for one would give a very good word for B Weavers bee 's and also R Weavers bee's. They are very industrious very low rate of supercedure, and very good honey producers, also with a very good temper of course most of their bees are from a "buckfast" orientation. also they are very tolerant of "pressure" that leads to the swarm instinct. A very excellant bee for the mid to northern producer. I would appreciate any sharing about truly " very good " stock that performs well it will be to everyone's benefit to share such info. Thanks Jim Maus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 01:39:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: Re: Botulism TF>It is because of this that it is only prudent to post warnings about feeding >of honey to newborn infants. Yep, I agree, especially if you are being sued...just don't understand why the same warning's are not required for the hundreds of other products that newborn infants come into contact with every day, including the air they breath, and are not required to be posted or give warning to new mothers. But if it saved one infants life...its worth it, if it did. --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ Santa on the Web ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:19:00 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Re: honey bee statistics (fwd) In-Reply-To: from "Malcolm" at Dec 2, 96 09:50:58 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could turn the crank of our PC BEEPOP model and get some estimates for various foraging scenarios. Jerry Bromenshenk And yes, we are going to release a new version one of these days. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:25:21 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Bees near chemical plant In-Reply-To: <199611301641.LAA18886@mime3.prodigy.com> from "MR WILLIAM L HUGHES JR." at Nov 30, 96 11:41:21 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whether or not the honey could be contaminated depends on lots of things. What kinds of chemical plants are these? Which way does the wind blow? If the terrain flat or mountainous? All of this makes a big difference. Good news is that honey is hard to contaminate, at least to levels that would constitute a human health hazard. However, can't say the same for the forager bees or the pollen collected - but again, a lot depends on the nature of those chemical plants. We've seen bee deaths near copper and lead smelters and phosphate plants. Also have seen some sick animals and the occassional person. On the other hand, bees may abandon the hives near a chemical plant releasing sulphur compounds. Our local pulpmill release dioxans, but they probably aren't toxic to bees at the levels released, although they may not be good for humans who live nearby and breathe the air for 20 yrs or more. Jerry Bromenshenk The University of Montana jjbmail@selway.umt.edu P.S. We address some of these pollutant issues on our web page http://grizzly.umt.edu/biology/bees ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:04:43 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Michael L. Wallace" Subject: APOLOGY/Re: processing propolis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I haven't had time to read all the responses that I have received concerning the publication that I produced. I must apologize to everyone who has responded. My e-mail reader application messed up on me and I couldn't retrieve any of my mail for several weeks. Finally, tonight, I got my new floppy diskette and reloaded all of my network provider files. I will respond to each and every one of you over the next few days. Again, I apologize for the silence and the delay. I'm sure everyone thought that I had dropped off of the face of the earth. Regards, Mike Wallace Sar Shalom Apiary McKinney, Texas USA "God bless you!" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:50:47 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "MR WILLIAM L HUGHES JR." Subject: Re: Bees near chemical plant Jerry Bromenshenk wrote <> I know one of them produces hydrogen peroxide and cyanide. I do not know what the other makes. The bees would be up wind (to the west) and the terrain is flat. Bill Hughes Bent Holly Honey Farm Brighton, Tennessee USA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:11:35 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Honey Lover Subject: Re: Bees near chemical plant Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Please remove us from automatic mailing list. Thank You ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:42:51 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mar10burks@aol.com Subject: Bees: Communication To the head bee guru: My daughter is looking for some information on how bees communicate (like how they tell others how far from or near to the hive the nectar is located). Have you seen any articles on this topic? Martin Burks mburks@relivinc.com or Mar10burks@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:05:36 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kay Lancaster Subject: Re: Bees near chemical plant In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Because of the federal Emergency Planning/Community Right to Know law, you should be able to get a list of anything terribly objectionable produced by the plant. I'd start with the plants themselves, and, if you get static, go to your state environmental office. If nothing else helps, try the EPCRK hotline at 800 535-0202. Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:01:52 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Patrick M. O'Hearn" Organization: Bears Choice Honey Subject: Bee Repellant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, The Albuquerque Journal ran a story today (12/3) headlined "Killer Bee Repellant". The gist of the story was that Dr. Erickson of the Tucson Bee Lab is test marketing a spray that mimics "queen pheremones" and causes the attacking bees to become confused and reduces their aggression. According to the article, it would be used by a person to spray their "head and upper body" thereby causing the bees to become confused and return to the hive. ...One wonders what applications this would have for beekeepers. Given the inventive nature shown by list members it will be fun to see what uses we all come up with, assuming this stuff ever receives approval to be sold. ...The other thing I was wondering about is, if it uses "queen pheremones" does this mean that the workers will all return to the hive and that the person will then be swarmed by all the drones in the area ...I can see the headline "Man Escapes Killer Bee Attack, Smothered by Drones". Patrick M. O'Hearn Bears Choice Honey Aztec, NM email patrick@cyberport.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:06:11 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Malcolm (Tom) Sanford, Florida Extension Apiculturist" Subject: Botulism discussion: NHB web site MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: recent discussion of infant botulism, see: http://www.nhb.org/tummy.html Reminder to Parents The National Honey Board, 390 Lashley St., Longmont, CO 80501 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOUR BABY'S TUMMY ISN'T READY FOR HONEY * DO NOT add honey to your baby's food, water or formula. * DO NOT dip your baby's pacifier in honey. * DO NOT give your baby honey as medicine. Honey may contain bacterial spores that can cause infant botulism - a rare but serious disease that affects the nervous system of young babies. Botulism spores are common and may be found in dust, soil and uncooked foods. Adults and children over one year of age are routinely exposed to, but not normally affected by, botulism spores. The following are symptoms of infant botulism. Call your doctor immediately if your baby: * is too weak to suck or cry as usual * does not want to feed or cannot swallow * has weak arms, legs or neck * suffers from constipation for more than three days "THE SAFETY OF HONEY AS A FOOD FOR OLDER CHILDREN AND ADULTS REMAINS UNQUESTIONED"* *Center for Disease Control ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Return to National Honey Board Main Menu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 00:33:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: new web site ---------------------------------------- Your honey promotion money at work! Check it out, address at bottom. Don't hesitate to send the NHB your comments as they are working for all who produce or market honey in the US. ttul OLd Drone The National Honey Board's home page. * About the National Honey Board * Reminder to Parents - Your baby's tummy isn't ready for honey * Honey Floral Varieties * Especially for Kids - Honey bee facts, honey trivia, and recipes with honey especially for kids. * Add the Touch of Honey - Tips and Recipes for Honey Lovers * Scientific, Technical and Commercial Application Information * Formulas for Food Manufacturers and Commercial Bakers * A Splash of Honey - Information and Recipes for Foodservice _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ URL: http://www.nhb.org E-mail comments about this website to Bruce Boynton at 104176.2566@compuserve.com. Updated: November 22, 1996 --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ Santa on the Web --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ HTTP://SUEBEE.COM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 08:22:20 +22324924 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adam Finkelstein Subject: Re: Bees: Communication In-Reply-To: <961202152737_1587652870@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Mar10burks@aol.com" at Dec 2, 96 03:42:51 pm Content-Type: text Mar10burks@aol.com, (you), wrote: > My daughter is looking for some information on how bees > communicate (like how they tell others how far from or near to the hive the > nectar is located). Have you seen any articles on this topic? > There is a dance language bibliography archived at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/home.html Click on the " the archives" link and look in the " general/ " directory. The file is "dancebib". Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf/home.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:18:45 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Marica Drazic Subject: DNA/protein markers & Buckfast bee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am looking for data about Brother Adam and his work on Buckfast bee. My question is: Is Buckfast bee defined as a strain or as a hybrid. I am looking for morphometric, physiologic, biologic, behavioural and economical characteristics that distinguish that bee from other races. Also, if enzymatic, protein or DNA markers were examined, I would like to get information about results/references. If Buckfast bee already was a subject of discussion, I will appreciate if anyone can give me a clue where are the old issues of the Bee-L. I would greatly appreciate any help. With thanks in advance, Maja Drazic =========================================================== UNIVERSITY OF ZAGREB FACULTY OF AGRICULTURE Tel: ..385-1-23 93 860 Dept. for beekeeping Fax: ..385-1-215 300 Svetosimunska 25 e-Mail: MDRAZIC@JAGOR.SRCE.HR 10000 Zagreb ,Croatia MDRAZIC@AGR.HR =========================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:28:36 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jim Moore DTN276-9448 ogo1/e17 508-496-9448 Subject: Q: Top Bar Hive questions In thinking about TBH's a was wondering if anyone had tried adding spacers between the bars after the comb is initially drawn? Equivalent to frame spacers for positioning 8 or 9 frames in a ten frame box. Assumed advantages being: o fewer top bars to handle o less wax/work for the bees for more honey storage thus increasing the overall honey yield. Downside (maybe): o comb gets so heavy as to seperate from top bar o encourages brace/bridge comb construction. o more work adding/removing the spacers. o need to "adjust" remaining comb on bar after harvest to ensure proper bee space -------------------------------------- Also a question about harvesting the honey/wax. I keep imagining a device something like an old fashioned washing machine wringer. Basically two verticall rollers turned by a hand crank that would press the honey out of the wax. One would just feed in the top bar and the honey would run to the bottom and the wax would be pressed into a flat sheet with little to no honey. Has anyone tried to seen anything like this? Regards, Jim Moore moore@aiag.enet.dec.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:17:08 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Markus Huurman Subject: Fresh frozen pollen Dear Bee-L readers, After a search in the Bee-l archives of the last two years with no positive result, I want to ask you to if someone could help me with the following information: 1- where is pollen collected at this time of the year, are there specific countries or areas where pollen collection on large scale is done? (1000 kg or more) I know that in Europe collection is +/- from April-June, with Spain and also France as countries with experience in pollen collection. 2- are there bee-l readers that could offer pollen themselves at this moment, or within the next 2-3 months? I guess this has to be on the Southern hemisphere. I am specifically interested in frozen pollen, that is pollen frozen after collection and also stored and transported frozen. As far as question 2 is concerned, you may mail me directly. Thank you in advance for your reactions. Best regards, Markus Huurman KOPPERT BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS Holland (Europe) e-mail: m.huurman@koppert.nl fax: +31-10-51 17947 phone: +31-10-51 40444 Markus Huurman purchasing manager m.huurman@koppert.nl | ___ _ _ _ _ _ ___ KOPPERT B.V. |/__/ / \ |_) |_) |_ |_) | Berkel en Rodenrijs |\__\ \_/ | | |_ | \ | The Netherlands (EU) Telephone: +31-10-5140444 B I O L O G I C A L S Y S T E M S Telefax: +31-10-5117947 ==========END OF FILE============================================ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:19:11 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Volpe Subject: Re: DNA/protein markers & Buckfast bee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Further to Maja's query I would be interested in hearing responses on this subject. Also, can anyone recommend a general \ review source for bee genetics? Specifically, inter-hive gene flow investigations, strain specific protein \ molecular markers, quantitative trait loci investigations, allele conservation and breeding structures and so on. I know this is a broad scope but if there isn't a concise source out there it sure would be a good project for someone, especially in view of what must be a very dramatic genetic bottle-neck in the form of tracheal and varroa mites. Any thoughts appreciated. Cheers, John Volpe At 04:18 PM 12/4/96 +0100, you wrote: >I am looking for data about Brother Adam and his work on Buckfast bee. >My question is: Is Buckfast bee defined as a strain or as a hybrid. I am >looking for morphometric, physiologic, biologic, behavioural and >economical characteristics that distinguish that bee from other races. >Also, if enzymatic, protein or DNA markers were examined, I would like to >get information about results/references. >If Buckfast bee already was a subject of discussion, I will appreciate if >anyone can give me a clue where are the old issues of the Bee-L. >I would greatly appreciate any help. >With thanks in advance, > > Maja Drazic > >=========================================================== >UNIVERSITY OF ZAGREB >FACULTY OF AGRICULTURE Tel: ..385-1-23 93 860 >Dept. for beekeeping Fax: ..385-1-215 300 >Svetosimunska 25 e-Mail: MDRAZIC@JAGOR.SRCE.HR >10000 Zagreb ,Croatia MDRAZIC@AGR.HR >=========================================================== -------------------------------------------------------------- John P. Volpe Marine and Aquatic Sciences Section Centre for Environmental Health Dept. of Biology - U. of Victoria PO Box 3020, Victoria, British Columbia, CANADA V8W 3N5 TEL. (250) 721 7098 FAX. (250) 472 4075 Email jvolpe@uvic.ca >From a brochure of a car rental firm in Tokyo: When passenger of foot heave in sight, tootle the horn. Trumpet him melodiously at first, but if he still obstacles your passage then tootle him with vigor. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:37:34 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Brother Adam and the Buckfast Bee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Go right to the source (and I hope I have the title correct): _In_Search_of_the_Best_Strains_of _Bee_ by Brother Adam, published by Dadant Press. /Aa ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:15:35 U Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Greg Hunt Subject: Re: DNA/protein markers & B RE>>DNA/protein markers & Buckfast bee 12/4/96 Concerning the request for references on DNA markers, genetics and quantitative trait loci study for bees, I suggest as a general reference the book: Bee Genetics and Breeding, 1986, edited by T.E. Rinderer, Academic Press. As of last year there is a genetic map of the honey bee based on 365 DNA markers: Genetics 139:1371-1382. Also, we used the map to find 2 quantitative trait loci that indicate the positions of two genes affecting foraging behavior have been identified on this map: Genetics 141:1537-1545. Greg Hunt Honey Bee Specialist Dept. of Entomology Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 47907-1158 greg_hunt@entm.purdue.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:41:19 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "K. A. Clay-Dewey" Subject: Re: Message Headers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:39 PM 02/12/96 -0500, Tim&Elisa Sharpe/Moseley wrote: >We have seen a discussion in a Goat List about using a special message header >to identify Goat messages from other messages that arrive in the same e-mail >box. The Goat list administrator changed the configuration of the list >software to prefix the subject with "PGoat". It has made sorting the goat >messages from the other e-mail much easier. > > With the high volume of messages that the Bee-Line List generates we would >like to put this idea out to the members of the list and the administrator. > Is anybody else interested? > >Elisa & Tim Sharpe On 2 of the other list I get that are *not* digests, we use a specific set of letters in the heading to designate that it is of a certain list. I would link that putting "bee" in the header or something similar would be helpful in sorting out the bee info from say my forge list, or my cocker list ldy_ceit@primenet.com K. A. Clay-Dewey Her Ladyship Ceit Ailise nic Ardis Barony SunDragon Principality of the Sun Kingdom of Atenveldt **************************************************************************** ******** The enemies are not those from a different religion, nor those from a different race or gender; the enemies are hatred, intolerance, and apathy. --- Tiger Eye **************************************************************************** ******** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:03:22 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Joe Hemmens Subject: Re: Brother Adam and the Buckfast Bee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Go right to the source (and I hope I have the title correct): > > _In_Search_of_the_Best_Strains_of _Bee_ by Brother Adam, published by > Dadant Press. > /Aa Also 'Breeding the Honeybee' and 'Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey'. Joe Hemmens ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:45:29 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Joel Govostes Subject: Re: Q: Top Bar Hive questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > In thinking about TBH's a was wondering if anyone had >tried adding spacers between the bars after the comb is >initially drawn? Equivalent to frame spacers for positioning 8 >or 9 frames in a ten frame box. Adding spacers would defeat the advantage of the top-bars together forming a covering on the hive. The bees would probably fill the narrow gaps with propolis, which could make things difficult to work, too. I have thought about the possiblility of having the bars in the "surplus" part of the hive a trifle wider than the others. Of course then you have to deal with 2 different sizes of bars, and the bees might not restrict the honey storage to the portion of the hive where you want it anyway. Having fat heavy honey combs on top bars could be asking for trouble with breakage. One thing that is not fun about top bar hives is trying to remove a big comb of honey and having the bar itself just tear off. The wax they would produce to widen widely-spaced surplus combs could also just be used to make more of the combs with normal thickness. The wide spacing, too could invite burr combing, making the frameless combs difficult to remove. Nevertheless, experimenting is half the fun, so if you give it a try, let us know how things turn out! On the press: >...Basically two verticall rollers turned by a >hand crank that would press the honey out of the wax. One would >just feed in the top bar and the honey would run to the bottom >and the wax would be pressed into a flat sheet with little to no >honey. Has anyone tried to seen anything like this? Regarding such a roller-press -- again, why not give it a try? I don't recall ever seen anything of the sort, but it sounds interesting. It may be alot of work getting lots of combs through such a device, though. The honey might goo everything up and the combs might be difficult to get through, without them breaking apart or slipping. Natural combs, especially those recently built for surplus storage, are made of thin wax which might not support itself as you tried to feed the roller. I don't envision that the wax would come out intact on the other side, either, at least not free of honey. The combs being so fragile, I'm not so sure you'd even want to hold them any way but top-bar-up. Having a full chunk of honey comb fall off and land on your shoes is a mess. Food for thought. Still, there's no harm in giving it a try. Especially with tbh's, the cheap and simple way to house bees. You don't have much to lose... later... JWG ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 07:19:55 +1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mauricio Montes-castillo Subject: Re: Message Headers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 20:39 2/12/96 -0500, Elisa & Tim Sharpe wrote: >We have seen a discussion in a Goat List about using a special message header >to identify Goat messages from other messages that arrive in the same e-mail >box. The Goat list administrator changed the configuration of the list >software to prefix the subject with "PGoat". It has made sorting the goat >messages from the other e-mail much easier. > > With the high volume of messages that the Bee-Line List generates we would >like to put this idea out to the members of the list and the administrator. > Is anybody else interested? Considering that most of us (in Bee-L) do not have Eudora Pro instaled, I strongly support the Sharpes' idea. Concensus??? Would the Bee-L Administrator be kind to do it?? Cheers from DownUnder... Mauricio :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:18:53 +1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Chris Allen Subject: Re: Q: Top Bar Hive questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:28 AM 4/12/96 PST, you wrote: >... if anyone had tried adding spacers between the > bars after the comb isinitially drawn? >Equivalent to frame spacers for positioning 8 >or 9 frames in a ten frame box. I imagine using wider top bars might be more economical. You could experiment with a range os sizes. If you find 1 size is too wide, shave it down & use it again. > -------------------------------------- > > Also a question about harvesting the honey/wax. I keep >imagining a device something like an old fashioned washing >machine wringer. Have you considered a meat mincer? Regards Chris Allen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:17:58 +1200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andrew Matheson Subject: Formic acid products MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Can anyone let me know the name and contact details of the European producers or distributors of formic acid-based varroa control products, specifically Illertisser-Milben-Platen and Kramer plates. Many thanks Andrew ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:08:40 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MR MARK G SPAGNOLO Subject: honey roasted macadamia nuts! Hi; I read the recipe for honey roasted peanuts posted on the list last month with great enthusiasm. They are my favorites. As I do not have access to a large supply of peanuts, I have changed the recipe to use macadamia nuts and macadamia nut honey! The macadamia trees that grow behind my house here in Hawaii produce a large supply of nuts and fill my hives with dark macadamia honey. The combination is fabulous! thanks for the recipe! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:01:29 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MR MARK G SPAGNOLO Subject: Fresh frozen pollen I am still collecting pollen twice a week here in Hawaii. I am not sure of the source, but then what difference does it make! Pollen is much more plentiful here during the months of March through August, but I am able to collect around a pound per week per hive now. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:32:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: honey roasted macadamia nuts! MMGS>I read the recipe for honey roasted peanuts posted on the list last >month with great enthusiasm. They are my favorites. MMGS>As I do not have access to a large supply of peanuts, I have changed >the recipe to use macadamia nuts and macadamia nut honey! This is OK with me just as long as I receive a sample for scientific study. One pound would be a start, but would prefer five for long term scientific project. ttul OLd Drone --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ Santa on the Web ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 07:21:25 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "(Thomas) (Cornick)" Subject: Re: Brother Adam and the Buckfast Bee In the book beekeeping at buckfast abbey there are hive covers with pitched roofs in the photographs I am wondering if anyone out there has a description of their construction. Specifically is there an inner cover and is the hive cover with the pitched roof open or two layers with an air space between. Thanks- Tom ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:12:46 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Cheryl (by way of beeworks@muskoka.net David Eyre)" Subject: extracting equipment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi! I'm looking for a Maxant Chain Uncapper. Can you steer me in the right direction? I am in Vermont, USA. -- Cheryl cookin@sover.net http://www.sover.net/~cookin I recieved the above from the Web, can anyone help her?. Regards to all. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:40:00 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Palm, Kevin R. (LLP)" Subject: Re: Q: Top Bar Hive questions Comments: To: Chris Allen Chris, I have to start this by saying that I have no Top Bar Hives myself. I am planning to start one or two next spring. I think that the width of the top bars is critical so that bee space will not be violated. Jim Satterfield has posted that the width for Apis Mellifera must be 35 mm, or 1-3/8". That is the width of fully drawn comb plus bee space. I think that if you went narrower, your combs may not be deep enough and if wider, they may build more burr/brace comb. Again, that's just my opinion. Joel or Jim?? Cheers, Kevin Palm Grafton, Ohio ---------- From: Chris Allen To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Subject: Re: Q: Top Bar Hive questions Date: Wednesday, December 04, 1996 6:18PM At 07:28 AM 4/12/96 PST, you wrote: >... if anyone had tried adding spacers between the > bars after the comb isinitially drawn? >Equivalent to frame spacers for positioning 8 >or 9 frames in a ten frame box. I imagine using wider top bars might be more economical. You could experiment with a range os sizes. If you find 1 size is too wide, shave it down & use it again. > -------------------------------------- > > Also a question about harvesting the honey/wax. I keep >imagining a device something like an old fashioned washing >machine wringer. Have you considered a meat mincer? Regards Chris Allen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:49:08 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Fischer Subject: Re: Brother Adam and the Buc REGARDING RE>Brother Adam and the Buckfast Bee Tom Cornick wrote: >In the book beekeeping at buckfast abbey there are hive covers with pitched roofs in the photographs I am wondering if anyone out there has a description of their construction. Specifically is there an inner cover and is the hive cover with the pitched roof open or two layers with an air space between.< I couldn't speak about the situation at Buckfast Abbey, of course, but this post brings back memories of our family apiary back in the 40's and 50's in Wisconsin (USA). My grandfather had about 125 colonies, in hives each with a pitched roof cover. In our hives the cover was made with a frame, pitched front and back, and a ridge pole in the center. Cedar shingles were nailed to the ridge pole and the frame, and a wooden cap strip with a "V" shaped channel beneath was nailed over the ridge. I believe that my grandfather built these himself - he was quite a handyman. This cover was placed over a standard inner cover, allowing quite a bit more air space than with our present standard flat covers. I don't remember that the bees ever came up much into this space. However, the paper wasps loved it! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:09:43 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Joel Govostes Subject: Re: Q: Top Bar Hive questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Chris, > >I have to start this by saying that I have no Top Bar Hives myself. I >am planning to start one or two next spring. I think that the width of >the top bars is critical so that bee space will not be violated. Jim >Satterfield has posted that the width for Apis Mellifera must be 35 mm, >or 1-3/8". That is the width of fully drawn comb plus bee space. I >think that if you went narrower, your combs may not be deep enough and >if wider, they may build more burr/brace comb. Again, that's just my >opinion. Joel or Jim?? > >Cheers, >Kevin Palm >Grafton, Ohio > ---------- In the top-bar hives I have used, I stuck to 1 3/8" spacing in the brood chamber. In the 6" deep "supers" I used fixed supports (dowels) spaced at 1.5 inches and coated with wax on the underside. (Note: those hives used top bars with bee space between them (spaced) and were supered on top like a regular hive.) SO I don't know about varying the spacing in long tbh's. In a frame hive you can space the combs a bit wider in the brood chamber (i.e., use 9 frames instead of 10). In that case the combs are already constructed and the bees haven't much of a choice. With top bars only, and the bees building new, natural combs, they might not respect wider spacing, and you could end up with odd or cross-connected combs. (?). The 1 3/8" spacing seems to be fine. FWIW ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:03:14 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Joel Govostes Subject: Buckfast Hives Comments: To: BeeCrofter@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Thomas. I have the same book(s) about Buckfast Abbey and I can offer the following: The hives shown in the old photographs (early this century) have pitched roofs, which were common then and a main feature of the traditional British "WBC" hives. Those are the ones with gabled outer coverings, which are very attractive and look like little white houses. They gradually fell out of favor due to their complex and expensive design, and the difficulty in moving them. (They are actually a frame hive within an outer covering of removable boxes.) Now, the "modern" hives used at Buckfast are a modification of the Dadant hive, which is deeper than our Langstroths. That way they run all the colonies on the single, large brood boxes. Br. Adam evidently decided to keep the pitched roof idea, and so the modern hives there have a slight peak to them. These are used with an inner cover ("crown board") or a "quilt" which is the traditional carryover from WBC days. Back then they would use a sheet of canvas or other durable fabric to lay over the frames, under the lid. That has widely been exchanged for a proper inner cover of wood, like we use. The inner covers can then used with bee escapes to free the supers of bees at harvest time. I am not sure whether there is a dead-air space or insulation in the modern Buckfast covers. I don't think the books are clear on its design, either. To me it seems rather elaborate. A plain telescoping cover suits the requirement just as well, and since hives are usually tipped forward slightly to encourage the draining away of moisture, rain or snow will eventually run off even a flat cover. I hope this is somewhat helpful. The Buckfast covers do look nice, and as I recall the design was further intended to allow supers to be set down on the cover (placed on the ground). The front and back boards supply an even surface for supporting removed supers. This is also done with simple flat outer covers, by inverting them on the ground, so the supers can be set across on the edges. Maybe someone who has been to the Abbey and seen the hives being worked could offer us some clear details. Best regards, JWG ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:09:52 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Joel Govostes Subject: Re: Bee Repellant Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >...The other thing I was wondering about is, if it uses "queen >pheremones" does this mean that the workers will all return to the hive >and that the person will then be swarmed by all the drones in the area >...I can see the headline "Man Escapes Killer Bee Attack, Smothered >by Drones". > >Patrick M. O'Hearn >Bears Choice Honey >Aztec, NM >email patrick@cyberport.com Ha! Now that would be a riot. Once at school we tethered a drone doused in queen pheremone to a baloon. Up he went. Poor guy. The drones in the area went nuts, and he was suddenly VERY popular. (All in the interest of science, mind you.) They do get alarmingly frantic! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:22:54 +0100 Reply-To: Michael Haberl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Haberl Subject: Re: Formic acid products In message <9612051218.42a614c8.COG@howgtn.maf.govt.nz> Discussion of Bee Biology writes: > Can anyone let me know the name and contact details of the > European producers or distributors of formic acid-based varroa > control products, specifically Illertisser-Milben-Platen and > Kramer plates. > > Many thanks > > Andrew Producer and distributor of the Kraemer plate: Kurt Kraemer Langgasse 40 65329 Hohenstein, Germany Tel: ++49 6120 5523 (The Kraemer plate is not yet legally allowed for treatment against Varroa.) The only formic acid product legally allowed in Germany is the Illertissener plate. As a registered chemical the Illertissener plate is only allowed to be sold by a pharmacist (maybe there are exceptions for re-sellers), or distributed by beekeeping clubs. So, I am sorry, I do not have a adress for the Illertissener plate. ____________________________________________________________________ Michael Haberl Zoologisches Institut der Uni Muenchen Tel: ++49 89 5902-444 Luisenstr. 14 Fax: ++49 89 5902-450 80333 Muenchen, Germany E-mail: haberl@zi.biologie.uni-muenchen.de ____________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:02:42 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Q. Clemencia Licona Manzur" Subject: Introduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everyone: I'm chemist Clemencia Licona M. My brother and I are starting to beekeeping in Mexico, we have our hives near the coast of Veracruz. We are interested to learn more about bees, including life cycle, feeding, treatment of varroa and other mites, and the way of preserve our hives and produce organic honey. In our country we can't get much support from government organizations, and we can say apiculture science is still in chilhood. We hope we can share experiences. Regards from this side of the Planet. Clemencia Cefeo 166 Prado Churubusco CP 4230 Mexico D.F, Mexico licona@ienlaces.com.mx ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:45:36 -0800 Reply-To: alwine@concentric.net. Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Roof Cover Comments: To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I accidentally deleted the message from "Tom" asking about roof covers. Go to Http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~mel You will see photos of what I believe that you are looking for. You can then e-mail "Mel" about the details. Regards, Al -- Al Needham * Scituate,MA,USA * Alwine@concentric.net >"The HoneyBee"-An Educational Software Program V1.0< Available at: Http://www.kuai.se/~beeman/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:59:26 CDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ray Nabors Subject: Re: honey bee statistics (fwd) It takes 55,000 air miles for bees to gather one pound of honey. A bee flies at 15 miles per hour. It therefore takes 3,666 hours to gather the pound of honey. Bees typically work on nectar procurement for 6 hours. It therefore takes 611 bee days to make 1 pound of honey. It is therefore true that it takes 611 bees to make a pound of honey in one day assuming an infinite supply of nectar. To fill a super with 25 pounds of honey 15,277 bees are needed. The average honey crop in the United States is about 50 pounds which requires a colony of 30,555 bees. Since there are about as many house bees as field bees, it follows that a population of 60,000 bees, which is about normal, will make an average honey crop. Is it not beeautiful? Apiculturally yours, Ray Nabors ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: honey bee statistics (fwd) Author: Discussion of Bee Biology at internet-ext Date: 12/2/96 8:59 AM I suspect any estimate is suspect, but is there one? Tom Sanford ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:56:38 -0800 From: Nancy C. Hinkle, Ph.D. To: mts@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU Subject: honey bee statistics Dr. Sanford, Greetings from California! I'm trying to track down some statistics on the industrious honey bee. Can you tell me how many bee days are required to produce a pound of honey? That is, how many honey bees working how many days can produce a pound of honey? (Or, one bee, working how many days, could produce a pound of honey?) Tell the UF folks "hi" for me. Nancy Hinkle ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:42:07 +1100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Nick Wallingford Subject: Re: Roof Cover MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I've got a peaked roof lid on a Langstroth hive in my backyard. I acquired it with a purchase some years ago, then chose to keep it with the hobby hives I've got. Utterly impractical in a commercial sense (stacking hives two deep on the truck???) but it looks OK in the garden... (\ Nick Wallingford {|||8- home nickw@wave.co.nz (/ work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz NZ Beekeeping http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/nickw/nzbkpg.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 02:11:13 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "" Subject: Honey House plans We are planning to build a honey house to use for storing all my equipment and for processing our honey. We are just hobby beekeepers at this point (only 8 hives) but planning to expand to as many as 30 hives. Does anyone have suggestions for a honey house? My son-in-law is drawing plans and wants to know what to include. My husband plans to make it abou 20ft. by 10 ft with plumbing and electricity. Anyone out there who has built a honey house have suggestions? Mary ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:12:39 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: George steffensen Subject: Re: Honey House plans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:11 AM 12/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >We are planning to build a honey house to use for storing all my equipment >and for processing our honey. We are just hobby beekeepers at this point > (only 8 hives) but planning to expand to as many as 30 hives. Does anyone >have suggestions for a honey house? My son-in-law is drawing plans and >wants to know what to include. >My husband plans to make it abou 20ft. by 10 ft with plumbing and >electricity. Anyone out there who has built a honey house have suggestions? >Mary > Mary If you built it 15 X 15 you would pick up 25 square feet with a small change in cost. George ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:58:12 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Faith Andrews Bedford Subject: Re: honey bee statistics (fwd) Nancy, Re bee statistics...Dadant has some wonderful handouts that has answers to your specific question and many other as well. Write or call them. I've used them when speaking to school groups and kids are fascinated to discover that it takes bees about a million trips to make a pound of honey (or something like that....do check with Dadant for the actual figures.) Sincerely, Faith Andrews Bedford Beekeeper - Ivy, VA and Tampa, FL ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 08:57:15 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "(Thomas) (Cornick)" Subject: Re: Roof Cover In a message dated 96-12-06 01:45:46 EST, you write: << I've got a peaked roof lid on a Langstroth hive in my backyard. I acquired it with a purchase some years ago, then chose to keep it with the hobby hives I've got. Utterly impractical in a commercial sense (stacking hives two deep on the truck???) but it looks OK in the garden... >> Well now ytou have to understand that beekeeping in town on any scale involves "hey buddy can I put a couple of hives in your yard" So a cover that looks good in the garden would be a plus Tom ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:26:36 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Joel Govostes Subject: Re: Honey House plans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 02:11 AM 12/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >>We are planning to build a honey house to use for storing all my equipment >>and for processing our honey. We are just hobby beekeepers at this point >> (only 8 hives) but planning to expand to as many as 30 hives. Does anyone >>have suggestions for a honey house? My son-in-law is drawing plans and >>wants to know what to include. >>My husband plans to make it abou 20ft. by 10 ft with plumbing and >>electricity. Anyone out there who has built a honey house have suggestions? >>Mary >> >Mary >If you built it 15 X 15 you would pick up 25 square feet with a small change >in cost. >George Hi Mary - Extra room will be a godsend later on. So shoot on the larger side if you can. This hobby tends to grow. I know of one guy who put up one of those small, plastic-covered greenhouses for a building. It warms well in the sun, and he also starts his garden plants in there in late winter. It was cheaper than a wooden building and also can be disassembled. If you can find a big old dual-basin utility sink that would come in mighty handy. You don't really NEED hot water, but it is nice to have when it's cleanup time after extracting. Maybe a very small used water heater could be worked into the plumbing. A central drain on the floor lets you rinse and squeegie the sticky honey residue away easily. That's easier than mopping up. Have fun... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 08:47:22 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: osman Subject: Re: Formic acid products Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:17 05.12.1996 +1200, you wrote: >Can anyone let me know the name and contact details of the >European producers or distributors of formic acid-based varroa >control products, specifically Illertisser-Milben-Platen and >Kramer plates. > >Many thanks > >Andrew ======================================================= Hi Andrew Illertissen Milben Platten is produced and distributed by : Mr. Herman Forster Ziegenweide 5 D-89257 Illertissen, Germany Fax: ++(49) 7303-43537 ======================================================= Osman Kaftanoglu University of Cukurova 01330 Adana, Turkey Fax: ++(90) 322-3386097 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:23:22 -0330 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mike McGrath Subject: Leaf cutter bees info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have any information on the biology of Alfalfa Leafcutter bees? I understand that they are a European species used to pollinate various plant species. I am specifically looking for information their habitat requirements and whether or not they can establish wild populations in Maritime Canada. Do they compete with wild bumble bees? Do they carry any diseases of particular concern? Mike McGrath Wildlife Biologist Dept. Forest Resources & Agrifoods Wildlife Division P.O. Box 455, Clarenville Newfoundland, Canada A0E 1J0 mmcgrath@terra.nlnet.nf.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:57:15 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Organization: The University of MIchigan Subject: Re: Honey House plans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mary Sellhorn wrote: >We are planning to build a honey house to use for storing all my equipment > and for processing our honey. We are just hobby beekeepers at this point > (only 8 hives) but planning to expand to as many as 30 hives. Does anyone > have suggestions for a honey house? My son-in-law is drawing plans and > wants to know what to include. > My husband plans to make it abou 20ft. by 10 ft with plumbing and > electricity. Anyone out there who has built a honey house have suggestions? The suggestion to plan for expansion is a good one. After many years of extremely cramped conditions, I remodeled a former horse barn into a honey house. The extra room feels so good! Another thing to consider is to adequately insulate the structure and plan for heat. In my experience, if honey extracting goes on into the fall the cool days and nights can make for very long extracting times with poor extracting results. I had a propane wall furnace installed, which keeps the room as toasty warm as I like it. And the honey flows out so easily! I had a long but narrow space to work with (32ft x 12ft), and plotted constantly to try to get everything to fit. I finally ended up by designing most of the electric outlets along one side of the long wall, where I lined up my uncapper, extractor and storage tanks. I found out that it always takes a few more electric outlets than planned, so add extra if you can and plan enough circuits so that nothing gets overloaded. The other side of the long wall is where the extracted supers get stacked up, so I didn't bring outlets over to there. Since mine was a remodeled horse barn, I simply used the original large horse door as the loading dock. I graded that entrance so when my truck backs up to it, the floor is just slightly lower than the truck bed, which makes for very easy unloading of supers. Something to think about is how to cut down on unnecessary lifting. If you plan it so that you can get a hand truck under the supers and just wheel them from the truck to the honey house, that saves a lot of work. Good luck. Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan USA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 08:20:40 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jim Moore DTN276-9448 ogo1/e17 508-496-9448 Subject: Re: Honey House plans - use gravity if you can If the terrain permits having 2 levels will permit the use of gravity for pumping. Raw honey enters on the high side, finished honey exists on the low side. It doesn't have to be two stories, just raised enough. Maybe someone with experience can speak to how much height is needed for gravity pumping. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 14:11:25 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: bee goddess MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ I need to know the name of the bee goddess in Greek or Egytian mythology? Is there a web link? Thanks, Midnitebee(Herb) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:00:53 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Joel Govostes Subject: Re: Roof Cover Comments: To: nickw@WAVE.CO.NZ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I've got a peaked roof lid on a Langstroth hive in my backyard....> Hi Nick -- here's a question for you. Why do the Australians use covers with the same outside dimensions as the hive bodies, a couple of inches deep, and which do not telescope down on the edges? I've seen that they lay a mat over the frames, and set the lid on top. It typically has ventilation holes, too.Yet it doesn't appear that the lid is fixed or anchored to the hive. Don't they just blow off? Or get knocked off? Do they get all clogged up with comb during a honey flow? (The simple migratory (board) lids used here -by some- usually telescope a tiny bit front and back. This doesn't waste much space on a truck, as the bottom boards also jut out a bit from the hive front.) Also, does the equipment used in NZ differ much from that in Australia? Many thanks ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:01:31 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Stan Sandler Subject: Re: Honey House plans - use gravity if you can Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > If the terrain permits having 2 levels will permit the >use of gravity for pumping. Raw honey enters on the high side, >finished honey exists on the low side. It doesn't have to be two >stories, just raised enough. > > Maybe someone with experience can speak to how much >height is needed for gravity pumping. Hi all: My honeyhouse is a regular two story house. It just happened to be an old house on land that I bought when the owner died, because my cattle graze the fields. We put the supers up to the second floor and through a window using a conventional hay escalator that can be obtained at most any farm auction very reasonably. It has worked just fine with one modification. It is necessary to attach a board to either side rail to keep the corners of the supers from hooking in the upright supports of the side rail. The person putting the supers on the escalator also has to be careful to lower them onto the chain in front of the little carrier hooks. If that person (yours truly) puts them down ON the hooks then they will carry the super up from the inside of the leading edge and tend to flip the box up at the top. It has not proved to be much of a hardship, and it would be possible to have a little ramp or sort of grocery box rollers to take the supers away from the window if you couldn't have help. Carrying full depth supers up stairs is torture. But I have never had to use the honey pump for anything since moving into this honey house. There is a hole in the floor where the clarifier sits and accepts honey draining from uncapping tank and extractor. There is a forty gallon filter tank under this and then a 300 gallon bulk milk tank, and it is up over two feet off the floor, so we can bottle or fill buckets out of this. The filter tank is not exactly over the bulk tank, it is beside it, but sufficiently high for the overflow which is near the top to be above the top of the bulk tank. All that said, there are disadvantages in the two story honey house once you reach a certain size commercially, but I think it is not too bad for one or two hundred hives. I have been considering building a little slide to put the empty boxes on to go to storage (that would also make use of gravity). If I was building a two story honeyhouse I would certainly make the stairs nice and wide. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 13:33:39 +1100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Nick Wallingford Subject: Re: Roof Cover MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Why do the Australians use covers > with the same outside dimensions as the hive bodies, a couple of inches > deep, and which do not telescope down on the edges? I've seen that they > lay a mat over the frames, and set the lid on top. It typically has > ventilation holes, too.Yet it doesn't appear that the lid is fixed or > anchored to the hive. Don't they just blow off? Or get knocked off? Do > they get all clogged up with comb during a honey flow? > > (The simple migratory (board) lids used here -by some- usually telescope a > tiny bit front and back. This doesn't waste much space on a truck, as the > bottom boards also jut out a bit from the hive front.) My guess is that the main factors are (1) wind (2) rain and (3) migration? Here in NZ, most areas of the country probably have more wind than Oz (maybe?). At any rate, as well as a telescoping lid (often with quite deep sides) the hives almost always have bloody great rocks on top of them! 'Older' hives often have mats (cut pieces of sacking, which get utterly matted and propolised to the frame tops, requiring a ripping loose each time!) Now, there is a 'magic number' for the lid overhang which can make it almost impossible for the wind alone to blow the lid off. With narrow overhang, the lid can readily get swept off. But make it a bit more and the lid must come up from both ends (it can't just be lifted from one end or edge. Has to do with the triangle formed by the lid internal length and the depth of the overhang. There are other lids in common use in NZ, mostly for specific pollination. No overhangs as you've described for Australian lids and front and back only (note: only down, not both up and down as with some American style lids). Biggest difference between NZ and US equipment (not sure about Oz) is where the bee space is for the boxes. In NZ, our beespace is below the frames in the box. That is, the top of the top bars is only 1mm from the top of the box itself. Means less rebate => less likely to break off, especially if rebate is deep enough for metal strips etc, though these are not used commercially much. (\ Nick Wallingford {|||8- home nickw@wave.co.nz (/ work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz NZ Beekeeping http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/nickw/nzbkpg.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:58:38 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Michael L. Wallace" Subject: Propolis info on the Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, All, There have been several requests for me to put the info on the Net and make it available for download or as an attachment. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, I don't have the software capabilities to transfer my document into a form that I can do that with. And I'm darn sure not going to retype it all. WHEW! Plus, I already have the documents printed up (left-overs from the convention). They were printed for the express purpose of disseminating the information. They will do nobody any good if they sit in a box here at my home, so I need to distribute them. I realize it will be an extra mailing cost for some, but it shouldn't be very much extra. For those of you outside of the U.S., I will need to find out how much it will cost to send the document to you and then get back to you. Regards to all, Mike Wallace Sar Shalom Apiary McKinney, Texas USA "God bless you!" -- End --