Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG9702D" To: "W. Allen Dick" Resent-From: Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 19:01:15 EST Resent-To: allend@mail1.internode.net Message-Id: <02060278006965@systronix.net> ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 05:29:19 UT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garry Libby Subject: Re: ANP Frames Hello All, Anp of N. America is located in Porterville,CA USA and can be reached at P.O.BOX 672, Porterville,CA 93258 (209) 784-9241 c/o Larry Harris each frame costs $2.50 in a box of ten. Garry Libby libBEE@msn.com ---------- From: Discussion of Bee Biology on behalf of Vince Coppola Sent: Saturday, February 22, 1997 2:03 AM To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Re: ANP Frames Albert W Needham wrote: > He also stated that this was the hive in which he had a super of "ANP"foundation which was still "chuck-a-bluck" full of capped honey. ANP apparently is a German manufactured foundation with complete full plastic cells. He said all the bees do is fill them up with honey an cap the plastic cell with wax. ANP foundation was devoloped in and originaly marketed from somewhere in Europe. It was produced in CA by Pierco and sold through Dadant for several years. It never caught on because of the high cost, abt $3/frame. The object was to help control varroa by by reducing the post capping period. The cells were tapered so that the back of the cell was larger than the entrace providing additional room for larval food. That is supposed to make the bee devolop and hatch sooner. At least thats the way I remember it. Its been a long time since I've read about ANP so I may be a bit hazy on the details. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 05:41:08 UT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garry Libby Subject: Re: Early drones Hello Vince, I'm not really worried about the drones in my colonies,I was confused because ,being My first year keeping bees,I had read that the drones were removed at the end of the season.I had seen drones each time I checked My hives on a warm day.I had never seen too many,the normal amount You would see on a summer day.Everything else seems normal,and the hives appear very healthy.I can't wait 'till morning it is supposed to be around 70.F.Thanks all who replied. Garry Libby libBEE@msn.com ---------- From: Discussion of Bee Biology on behalf of Vince Coppola Sent: Saturday, February 22, 1997 2:29 AM To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Re: Early drones Lets not get too upset about early drones. Strong colonies, especialy when the winter is mild with many warm days will produce drones pretty early. I think what Dr. Connor wants us to look for (correct me if I'm wrong Larry)are colonies with drones that should have been workers. That is the egg was laid in a worker cell, but turned out to be a drone, because the queen ran out of sperm and the egg was not fertilized. These drones may be smaller than a normal drone. Examine some comb and look for "bullets" or "puff brood" (drones in worker cells). ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 03:03:23 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: Re: web page MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Terry:The web site you gave me is a company(Dadant) that sells bee supplies and candles.Hmmm,I do not believe that asking for a small sample(say,20lbs of clean beeswax),is asking too much for advertising your site. Midnitebee(Herb) ---------- > From: Terry Avise > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: web page > Date: Friday, February 21, 1997 1:27 PM ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 09:25:06 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Re: Algae like growth on hives In a message dated 97-02-21 17:05:22 EST, you write: << On beehives, in shady and moist areas, an algae-like growth appears. I have been informed that this may be one reason that slugs crawl onto the hives. If it isn't algae or moss what sort of plant, fungi, or organism is this growth? Thanks in advance for any information. >> Whatever this is, you need to get better air drainage/ventilation. If you have a consistant high moisture problem with woodenware, think of how this affects the bees. Damp conditions are conducive to stress diseases. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 (Dave & Jan's Pollination Service, Pot o'Gold Honey Co.) Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 09:25:22 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Drutchas Organization: Bee Haven Honey Subject: Winter Drones MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So nobody thought much of my mite stress causes drone keeping theory. Lets see for winter drones we came up with queens pooping out, AHB genes, big populations keep some drones anyway, seeing more because we are looking more and of course the weather. Please bear with me while I think outloud here, it seems I use to normally see most drone kicking out behavior in Sept. and Oct. The last few years Ive been noticing fresh dead drone piles in Nov. and Dec. and in looking into hives in Feb. and March Im seeing that these bees are holding onto drones all winter. Now maybe they always did and I am just looking more but it seems odd that I would get it into my head that most of the drones get kicked out in the fall anywho hows this for a thought, if you stress out a plant it will bloom trying to reproduce, do bees do the same thing,could they be holding on to reproductives because of mite stress? Yes when the weather gets bad and the food shuts off drones get tossed but do colonies toss drones with a dwindeling population from disease or mites? Interesting discussion on colonies being up against each other didnt Peng do a study in Canada on drifting bees what was it 10 or 20 percent less honey from apiaries with straight rows. Funny how bees dont seem to mind much being next to each other I found six feral swarms in a upstairs floor of a light house with entrances all within a few inches of each other. Those apis dorsata colonies seem to hang close to each other to. Didnt honeybees evolve from solitary bees that made their homes next to each other as a protective mechinism. Which brings up another point do bees work up a feeding frenzy when the hives are bunched up or is that just a rationalization to orchardist to keep the drops bigger? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:41:41 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Janet Montgomery & Dan Veilleux Subject: Re: Honey Vinegar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:04 PM 2/20/97 +0500, you wrote: >To all those on the list, > Has anybody heard of, or have the recipe for honey vinegar. I have >the one for wine and cider but a honey vinegar would be great, flavored >with herbs being less overpowering. > Thank you, George > >George & Lorraine Willy >The Village Inn of East Burke >Box 186 >East Burke, Vermont >05832 > I think you might have a good idea -- I think I will try it sometime in the future--- I have made a very good tasting white wine vinegar by cutting the wine with water to approximately 8% alcohol and using a good white vinegar culture available at wine making shops.. Remember that sugar or honey will not go directly to vinegar as the reaction tacks place on the alcohol not the sugar ---so you will have to make mead first with approximately 10-12 pounds of honey in 5 gallons of water with a good double packet of champagne white wine yeast and yeast nutrient about 4 tablespoons in the batch that will yield about a 11-12% alcohol. You must use an air lock on the mead But the vinegar must be aerated even to the point of using an aquarium pump from time to time.. and it will take up to 6 months to be complete sorry for lengthy discussion see mead makers page on www Janet Montgomery 104 Fallis Road Columbus, Ohio 43214-3724 Home: (614) 784-8334 FAX: (614) 268-3107 E-mail: MONTVEIL@IWAYNET.NET ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:35:49 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Jerry J Bromenshenk wrote: > > I believe Sherlock Holmes retired to keep bees. Yes, Holmes did. He withdrew to a little villa " situated upon the southern slope of the Downs, commanding a great view of the Channel" in Sussex. Here he kept bees and wrote a book entitled "Practical Handbook of Bee Culture, with some Observations upon the Segregation of the Queen" To quote Holmes, "the fruit of pensive nights and laborious days, when I watched the little working gangs as once I watched the criminal world of London". It does seem logical that a man with such deductive reasoning powers would find bees as facinating as a good mystery, for bees are quite mysterious, which I discover more so each day. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ Ian Watson @ @ iwatson@freenet.npiec.on.ca @ @ @ @ THREE BEES: @ @ Bach singer ,/// @ @ Bee keeper >8'III}- @ @ Bell ringer ',\\\ @ @ @ @ 5 hives, 2 years in Beekeeping @ @ St. Catharines, Canada @ @ "I BEE, therefore I am" @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:55:53 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "" Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees Who was sir Edmund Hilery? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:53:31 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees In-Reply-To: <970222135553_-1809340716@emout17.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, wrote: > Who was sir Edmund Hilery? I think he was the first man to climb Mount Everest... @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ Ian Watson @ @ iwatson@freenet.npiec.on.ca @ @ @ @ THREE BEES: @ @ Bach singer ,/// @ @ Bee keeper >8'III}- @ @ Bell ringer ',\\\ @ @ @ @ 5 hives, 2 years in Beekeeping @ @ St. Catharines, Canada @ @ "I BEE, therefore I am" @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:45:59 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gordon Scott Subject: Re: Bee trees? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hazel (corylus) is good for early pollen, too. -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Gordon's Apis Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:39:20 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gordon Scott Subject: Re: Hive Coatings In-Reply-To: <330D315D.FF2@gil.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Marie E. Thorp wrote: > #2. Hot Parafin > Usually purchased from candle mfg. companys. Immersion in hot parafin wax is also one of the few treatments that the UK authorities allow for sterilisation of AFB exposed equipment. AFB is treated very seriously here, it's a notifiable disease, -- colonies are burned and hive bodies etc. must be sterilised by high heat or gamma irradiation. Fortunately (and consequentially) we don't have very much AFB in the UK. Regards, -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk gordon@multitone.co.uk (work) The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk Gordon's Apis Home Page Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. Hampshire, England. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:37:04 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees In-Reply-To: <970222135553_-1809340716@emout17.mail.aol.com> from "<@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU:owner-bee-l@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>" at Feb 22, 97 01:55:53 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Other than Peter Fonda acting the part of a beekeeper, we haven't done very well in terms of identifying living, famous people who keep bees. Surely someone out there must sell bees, garden for, or help out someone (living) who keeps bees and who would be recognized by most of us as being famous. Or are all famous people too busy to keep bees? Cheers Jerry Bromenshenk jjbmail@selway.umt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:38:33 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 13:37:04 -0700 Jerry J Bromenshenk writes: >or help out someone (living) who keeps bees and who would be recognized by most of us as >being famous. Are there some people (dead) being helped out? :-) Al --- Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"-- Educational Program About Honey Bees With A Superb Slide Show-Version 2.1 (c) 1997 Download From Sweden At : http://www.kuai.se/~beeman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:20:37 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: apology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ My sincerest apologies to Terry Avise and to Bee-L,in my prior message about listing a URL and beeswax.Message was sent to wrong group and person. Midnitebee(Herb) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:19:08 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Joel W. Govostes" Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, wrote: > >> Who was sir Edmund Hilery? > >I think he was the first man to climb Mount Everest... > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > @ Ian Watson @ Yes, he was looking for some new locations... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 16:59:24 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees In-Reply-To: <19970222.173848.3822.1.awneedham@juno.com> from "Albert W Needham" at Feb 22, 97 05:38:33 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >or help out someone (living) who keeps bees and who would be recognized > by most of us as > >being famous. > > Are there some people (dead) being helped out? :-) > > Al > --- Only those who have been in communiction through the Psychic network - probably using a cell phone from the other side. Jerry ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 19:13:21 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Alden P. Marshall" Subject: Re: Drones in February? On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:03:50 EST "Kevin D. Parsons" <102372.624@CompuServe.COM> writes: >Jim, > >hive and >2 others have young Starline queens. But, the hive with drones is much >stronger >than the >other 2 and has plentiful winter stores. I presume that there could be >a >relationship between >the good condition of the hive and the presence of drones. > >Kevin D. Parsons >Pittsburgh PA USA > Hi Kevin, Feb. 23rd. I am inclined to subscribe to your conclusion. I suspected as such when I observed the real strong colonies going into the winter. I have noticed the drone population dwindling at a higher proportion than workers throughout the winter. I bleed off bees fairly regularly for therapy purposes and have been fairly observant as to this phenomena. I have gone into about 50 colonies in the past few days and the conditions are almost unbelievably good. Still see some drones but much more scarce than a month ago. Perhaps the colonies well being was so good in the fall the urgency to expel the drones was much less. I to have been using the push-in hardwre cloth etrance mouse guards. They have been perminent fixtures for quite a few years now. You have probably noticed how well the corpses are pushed through them the past couple of warm days? Regards, Alden Marshall B-Line Apiaries Hudson, NH 03051 Busybee9@Juno.com tel. 603-883-6764 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 19:13:22 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Alden P. Marshall" Subject: Re: Queen Spermatheca Check On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:54:30 -0500 "" writes: >For those of you who have drone-filled colonies in February, check the >queen's spermatheca. If you don't know how to do this, find someone >who does. >Perhaps Dave Knox at Beltsville Bee Lab will check a few. >I last saw large scale drone production in winter during the winter >after our >last bad eastern U.S. winter (77-78). Tens of thousands of queens were >producing drones. Upon checking, queens had a shortage of sperm in the >spermathecae. >Several people trace the matter back to the conditions under which the >queens >were mated in the South during the cold winter. There were drones in >colonies >at the time of mating, but either they were not producing much sperm, >a >reflection of pollen shortage, or their flight was restricted. Since >brood >in worker cells, and spermatheca checks. >Oh yes, removing the spermatheca does kill the queen. >Larry Connor >Wicwas Press -- ljconnor@aol.com >(Ran former Dadant Starline/Midnite program from 1976-1980). Hi Larry, Wish I had read this a few days ago. I didn't do much brood analyzing the last few days The hive were very populous and plenty of stores in all but a couple of cases. Saw some drones but don't know if they were this years hatch. Will certainly be more attuned to this the net time (warm spell) I go into some more hives. Regards, > Alden Marshall B-Line Apiaries Hudson, NH 03051 Busybee9@Juno.com tel. 603-883-6764 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 16:58:05 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Herman Winter Subject: Re: Varroa and oils of Laminaceae Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, that is what I tried to refer to. Thank you for the correction and the pointer to the site. -Herman >>Has anyone had any experience/success using oil extracts of >>plants from the Family Laminaceae as a substitute for using >>Apistan strips? > >There is no family, Laminaceae. I believe you are referring to the Lamiaceae >which is the current recognized name for the older name, Labiatae, or mint >family. Thus peppermint, spearmint, catnip, patchouli, etc., are all members >of the Lamiaceae. > >Please see our web page regarding the use of essential oils for mite control. > >Sincerely, > >Prof. Jim Amrine >Division of Plant & Soil Sciences >P. O. Box 6108, West Virginia University >Morgantown, WV 26506-6108 ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ><> Telephone: 304-293-6023 <> ><> Fax: 304-293-2960 <> ><> web: http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa.htm <> ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 20:09:27 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: Allen's New Web Pages Re: http://www.internode.net?HoneyBee/Bee Did manage to finally get through to Allen's new pages - advertisements, etc. A very nice job Allen! For the services that you supply to us all gratis - you deserve at least a 1000 point credit in Bee Heaven!!! A 21 Bee Salute to you Allen! Al --- Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"-- Educational Program About Honey Bees With A Superb Slide Show-Version 2.1 (c) 1997 Download From Sweden At : http://www.kuai.se/~beeman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 20:13:56 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Drutchas Organization: Bee Haven Honey Subject: Re: alternative mite control MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone tryed using stinging nettle, I believe the sting is formic acid. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:48:53 -0700 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Re: Allen's New Web Pages In-Reply-To: <19970222.200941.3430.0.awneedham@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Re: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee > Did manage to finally get through to Allen's new pages - advertisements, > etc. > > A very nice job Allen! > > For the services that you supply to us all gratis - you deserve > at least a 1000 point credit in Bee Heaven!!! I'll likely need it, according to the experts (my friends). > A 21 Bee Salute to you Allen! Thanks, Al. Wouldn't you know that as soon as I announced the site, that the WPP would have a major crash and be down for about 12 hours? Anyhow, I hope everyone has fun there. I have to warn that there are a few features that don't quite work, such as the subscribe to Best of Bee Page, but mostly it works. I am not bothering to maintain a list of other sites on th eweb anymore. At one time, mine was one of a few. Maybe the only? I don't know. Anyhow, I leave that to those who are far better at it than me. I'd appreciate recommendations as to which sites have the best collection of bee links. I'll put five or so of them on my main page as a jumping off point. I know that NIck has a huge collection, and it sounds like Herb has a few . Allen Dick VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Internet:dicka@cuug.ab.ca & allend@internode.net Honey,Bees&Art ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:39:35 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Roy Nettlebeck Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees In-Reply-To: <199702222359.QAA26702@selway.umt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Jerry J Bromenshenk wrote: > > >or help out someone (living) who keeps bees and who would be recognized > > by most of us as > > >being famous. > > > > Are there some people (dead) being helped out? :-) > > > > Al > > --- > Only those who have been in communiction through the Psychic network - > probably using a cell phone from the other side. > > Jerry > Al and Jerry , This is not a good sign, you have to be dead to be a famous person that keeps bees.Maybe they don't live long after starting with bees. I wonder if Madona is a beekeeper. Roy ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 23:04:45 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: More Maples (Carolina Addendum) Gotta correct an error in the Carolina Report, I made a few days ago. I had seen a lot of maples forming seed pods, so I figured the maple bloom was over. However, this week a lot more maple bloom has appeared, and there's been quite a flow in some areas, with bees making the first new wax of the season. Down along the river, high water sometimes delays bloom, but I'm also seeing some upland. I think it is due to the very mild winter with very low chilling hours. This tends to spread the bloom out over an extended time. I think the same will be happening in the Florida oranges as well, because, with the exception of the one cold week, there has been little chilling there. Bloom is already opening, but it is a smattering here and a smattering there. When there is a good chilling period the bloom comes on more quickly and the trees hold together more at the same time. Of course that means the honey dribbles in, and will tend to be darker. When it floods in, it is light. Good chilling "primes" the blossoms. After a very cold winter (not up and down, but steady cold) apples will yield nectar almost as profusely as oranges. Bees are brooding up rapidly. Forecast is for cooler weather, but no extremes. We are in bad shape now, if there is a hard freeze. I'm optomistic, but concerned. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 (Dave & Jan's Pollination Service, Pot o'Gold Honey Co.) Pollination for lay people, students, teachers ....Of bees, beekeepers, and food http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm Pollination for the pros - those involved in doing it: Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Varietal Honeys and Gift Sets http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 01:19:17 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael C Dooley Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees In-Reply-To: from "Roy Nettlebeck" at Feb 22, 97 06:39:35 pm Content-Type: text/plain > > > Al and Jerry , This is not a good sign, you have to be dead to be a > famous person that keeps bees.Maybe they don't live long after starting > with bees. I wonder if Madona is a beekeeper. > > Roy > I hope not. I like Madonna. Mike Dooley ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 06:13:14 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Trevor Weatherhead Subject: Re: Famous people keeping bees There are newspaper cuttings here in Australia of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of Sherlock Holmes, visiting apairies in Queensland. There it is said he kept bees. I am surprised the New Zealanders have not come forward to claim Sir Edmund Hilary as one of their own. Yes he was the first man to climb Mount Everest and again I have seen newspaper cuttings plus articles in our bee magazines on a visit by Sir Edmund to Australia and promoting the fact he ate honey and kept bees. Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 13:35:06 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: G C Allison Subject: Ibuprofen & bee sting reaction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can any BEE-L subscriber with a better memory/filing system than me point me to a concise summary of last year's postings on increased bee sting reaction after taking Ibuprofen & similar painkillers, thank you For interest to those looking for signs of spring, today is the first day so far this year that my bees have brought in pollen - I'm not sure where from: the only flowers are early snowdrops, the odd crocus and scattered gorse - still its good to see all the colonies bringing it in, hopefully another year with 100% over-wintering success. Geoff Allison Dalbeattie, Scotland ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:47:54 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Victor M.Kroenke" Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joel W. Govostes wrote: > > >On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, wrote: > > > >> Who was sir Edmund Hilery? > > > >I think he was the first man to climb Mount Everest... > > > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > @ Ian Watson @ > > Yes, he was looking for some new locations... Did he employ natives as guides to lead him to the top? The Greek philosopher Aristotle wrote about bees in his Natural History and was a beekeeper. Vic ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 14:25:00 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "William J. Morrison" Subject: Famous beekeepers MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Let's not forget that Gregor Mendel (1822-1884), the father of the science of genetics, was a beekeeper. Bill Morrison ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 13:36:56 -0600 Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: www.Birkey.Com Subject: Re: Ibuprofen & bee sting reaction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G C Allison wrote: > > Can any BEE-L subscriber with a better memory/filing system than me point me to a > concise summary of last year's postings on increased bee sting reaction after taking > Ibuprofen & similar painkillers, thank you Geoff - You can get all the BEE-L logs at this address: http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/bee-l/ You will have to go looking for the ones you want as I don't think there is an index anywhere. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA bbirkey@interaccess.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 15:21:33 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vince Coppola Subject: Anise Hyssop seeds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems that someone was looking for seeds to grow honey plants. At a rescent meeting Dr. T. Szabo offered a seed packet with 7-8 hundred Anise Hyssop seeds. He reported that this is an excellent nectar source, is a perennial, is winter hardy, easy to grow, and loved by bees. You can order seeds from him at: Szabo Bee Enterprizes R.R.#1 Puslinch, Ontario, Canada NOB 2JO Cost is US$2.00/pak and I would include a buck or two for postage. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:40:34 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vince Coppola Subject: Re: More on Early drones MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dr. T Szabo spoke at our winter meeting yesterday and had a slide of the front of a colony. He asked us how we could tell from the picture that the queen was laying well. Noone hd a clue. The picture was taken in fall and there were quite a few drones just above the entrance. If you looked close, you noticed that whe the workers were grabbing drones by the wings and some were moving drones away from the entrance. Nothing new for most of us, but I never heard that this was an idication that the queen was laying well. He told us that if the queen had not mated well the drones would not be thrown out and that drones in winter could point to a queen problem. This is not a quote because my memory aint that good but that was the jist. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:42:38 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: More on Early drones On Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:40:34 -0800 Vince Coppola writes: >Dr. T Szabo spoke at our winter meeting yesterday. I find this business of drones being dragged out by their wings in fall as an indication of the Queen laying well, quite interesting! I always watch this activity in the fall. (In fact I stand beside the hive quite often and observe...seems it's easy to get a feeling how things are going) This past fall one of my hives was quite active in dragging drones out by the wings. I can't recall how active ]the other hive was by comparison. Handy little bit of info Vince! Al --- Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"-- Educational Program About Honey Bees With A Superb Slide Show-Version 2.1 (c) 1997 Download From Sweden At : http://www.kuai.se/~beeman ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 19:11:29 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Re: Anise Hyssop seeds In a message dated 97-02-23 16:41:21 EST, vcoppola@epix.net (Vince Coppola) writes: << It seems that someone was looking for seeds to grow honey plants. At a rescent meeting Dr. T. Szabo offered a seed packet with 7-8 hundred Anise Hyssop seeds. He reported that this is an excellent nectar source, is a perennial, is winter hardy, easy to grow, and loved by bees. (snip) >> It is a long-blooming plant as well. It will often bloom in the fall for a while here in the south, then bloom again throughout the spring. It has already started here. I saw almost a full field of it in bloom today, when we took an afternoon ride. Later bloom will make a distinctive licorice-flavored honey. Right now it is being used for build-up. Anice hyssop used to be grown commercially in South Carolina. It escaped cultivation, and grows wild in many areas. I highly recommend it. The major limitation is that it grows on cultivated land, so it gets cut up when the farmers are ready to plant the crops. It is often in full bloom when cut. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 (Dave & Jan's Pollination Service, Pot o'Gold Honey Co.) Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 19:44:47 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Re: Winter Drones In a message dated 97-02-22 09:27:33 EST, stinger@together.net (Richard Drutchas) writes << So nobody thought much of my mite stress causes drone keeping theory. Lets see for winter drones we came up with queens pooping out, AHB genes, big populations keep some drones anyway, seeing more because we are looking more and of course the weather. >> Global Warming? Dave Green (45 Miles from Myrtle Beach: Still waiting for the ice cap to melt and give us a beachfront home) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:42:45 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Miller Subject: Re: Re-use of combs What to do with moldy combs? Give them to the bees to clean, When I used to store my supers in plastic bags, I found that most of them developed museum-quality mold on the combs. The bees always cleaned them up nicely without any subsequent problems. I have since given up the practice of storing supers in plastic bags, but mold wasn't the reason. W. G. Miller Gaithersburg, MD ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:05:59 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: latest buzz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Greetings! Maine has confirmed its first Africanized bee siting.Info is located at the "latest buzz" link. Midnitebee(Herb) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:34:26 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dave from Scranton Subject: Re: Drones in February? In-Reply-To: <19970222.191109.16238.7.busybee9@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Alden P. Marshall wrote: > I to have been using the push-in hardwre cloth etrance mouse > guards. They have been perminent fixtures for quite a few years now. You > have probably noticed how well the corpses are pushed through them the > past couple of warm days? I was told that if you put the wooden entrance reducer upside down (meaning hole at top) then the bees ahve to be three deep before the entrance is plugged. Also, to keep mice out I put frame nails at the opposite ends of the bottom board and then push the reducer up to it. This way it can't get pushed in by the mice and one nail outside will hold it in place. When I take the reducer out the inside nails stay in and the bees just ignore them. ****************************************************************************** Dave D. Cawley, Maitre d' | ***ALERT shameless plug ALERT*** The Internet Cafe | Scranton, Pennsylvania | ASK ME FOR A COPY OF WEBPHONE!!! (717) 344-1969 | (or try www.scranton.com/webphone) ddc1@lydian.scranton.com | ****************************************************************************** URL => http://www.scranton.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:54:39 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dave from Scranton Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees Comments: To: Michael C Dooley In-Reply-To: <199702230619.BAA146872@pilot13.cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII According to today's MARTHA STWEART'SLIVING program, she keeps bees. She had a friend bring her a couple packages for her two nice new hives. She made it sound like she had more, but non were to be seen. They shot it for her magazine as well. ****************************************************************************** Dave D. Cawley, Maitre d' | ***ALERT shameless plug ALERT*** The Internet Cafe | Scranton, Pennsylvania | ASK ME FOR A COPY OF WEBPHONE!!! (717) 344-1969 | (or try www.scranton.com/webphone) ddc1@lydian.scranton.com | ****************************************************************************** URL => http://www.scranton.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:10:47 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Marie E. Thorp" Organization: Christian Family Worship Center Subject: Subscribe Comments: cc: Hallelujah.Honey.Co@Juno.Com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would you please help me get Bee/L at? Thanks so much for your time and help,you have a great service. Take Care and GBY John in Homestead ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:41:48 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gerry Visel Subject: Re: Subscribe On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:10:47 -0800 "Marie E. Thorp" writes: >Would you please help me get Bee/L at? >Thanks so much for your time and help,you have a great service. > Take Care and GBY > John in Homestead > John, To subscribe, send a message to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (or LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1.BITNET) with the words "Subscribe First_name Last_name" in the body, (with your first and last names in place of First_name and Last_name. (No quotes.) To send a message to all the people currently subscribed to the list, just send mail to BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU. This is called "sending mail to the list", because you send mail to a single address and LISTSERV makes copies for all the people who have subscribed. This address (BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU) is also called the "list address". You must never try to send any command to that address, as it would be distributed to all the people who have subscribed. All commands must be sent to the "LISTSERV address", LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (or LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1.BITNET). It is very important to understand the difference between the two, but fortunately it is not complicated. The LISTSERV address is like a FAX number, and the list address is like a normal phone line. If you make your FAX call someone's regular phone number by mistake, it will be an unpleasant experience for him but you will probably be excused the first time. If you do it regularly, however, he will probably get upset and send you a nasty complaint. It is the same with mailing lists, with the difference that you are calling hundreds or thousands of people at the same time, so a lot more people get annoyed if you use the wrong number. You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF BEE-L" command to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (or LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1.BITNET). You can also tell LISTSERV how you want it to confirm the receipt of messages you send to the list. If you do not trust the system, send a "SET BEE-L REPRO" command and LISTSERV will send you a copy of your own messages, so that you can see that the message was distributed and did not get damaged on the way. After a while you may find that this is getting annoying, especially if your mail program does not tell you that the message is from you when it informs you that new mail has arrived from BEE-L. If you send a "SET BEE-L ACK NOREPRO" command, LISTSERV will mail you a short acknowledgement instead, which will look different in your mailbox directory. With most mail programs you will know immediately that this is an acknowledgement you can read later. Finally, you can turn off acknowledgements completely with "SET BEE-L NOACK NOREPRO". Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can get a list of the available archive files by sending an "INDEX BEE-L" command to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (or LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1.BITNET). You can then order these files with a "GET BEE-L LOGxxxx" command, or using LISTSERV's database search facilities. Send an "INFO DATABASE" command for more information on the latter. Please note that it is presently possible for other people to determine that you are signed up to the list through the use of the "REVIEW" command, which returns the e-mail address and name of all the subscribers. If you do not want your name to be visible, just issue a "SET BEE-L CONCEAL" command. More information on LISTSERV commands can be found in the LISTSERV reference card, which you can retrieve by sending an "INFO REFCARD" command to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (or LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1.BITNET). Most of this was copied from the welcome message you get when you subscribe. As they noted above, note the different addresses to send "commands" to and to send "mail" to. Oh yea, and don't leave the "b" out of "subscribe!" as some b-keepers have done! ;-) Enjoy! Gerry and the other Visels at Visel7@juno.com Winnebago, Illinois, USA P.S. Neat to see others discovering the free email of Juno. It's great! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:15:50 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "THONE HUGO VE144 (240)9452" Subject: Re: famous beekeepers In-Reply-To: <199702211536.IAA19382@selway.umt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Other famous beekeepers To bee or not to bee - Shakespeare To do is to bee - Nietzsche To bee is to do - Sartre Do bee do bee do - Sinatra Cheers, +++++ Hugo Thone (SE144) (\ {|||8- ALCATEL TELECOM (/ F.Wellesplein 1 B-2018 Antwerp do bee do bee do .... email : thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:22:50 +1100 Reply-To: p.bray@airborne.co.nz Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Peter Bray Organization: Airborne Honey Subject: Re: Famous people keeping bees In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Trevor Weatherhead n wrote: > I am surprised the New Zealanders have not come forward to claim Sir Edmund > Hilary as one of their own. Yes he was the first man to climb Mount Everest > and again I have seen newspaper cuttings plus articles in our bee magazines on > a visit by Sir Edmund to Australia and promoting the fact he ate honey and > kept bees. > > Trevor Weatherhead > AUSTRALIA Probably we are so parochial that we think Sir Ed's reputation is bit like saying the Sun goes from right to left...... i.e. like not needing to state the obvious :-) Looks like NZ is having an average crop (8,566 tonnes = last 10 yr avg.). Late but finally some production! Peter Bray, Airborne Honey Ltd., PO Box 28, Leeston, New Zealand Fax 64-3-324-3236, Phone 64-3-324-3569 p.bray@airborne.co.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:26:55 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Famous people keeping bees In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 In message , Trevor Weatherhead writes >I am surprised the New Zealanders have not come forward to claim Sir Edmund >Hilary as one of their own. Yes he was the first man to climb Mount Everest >and again I have seen newspaper cuttings plus articles in our bee magazines on >a visit by Sir Edmund to Australia and promoting the fact he ate honey and >kept bees. I think we really ought to remember that Hilary was ONE of the first to climb Everest - together with his Sherpa companion Tensing Norkhay. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:15:30 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Swarms and the risk of Varroa infection In-Reply-To: <199702200013.AAA15028@net1.netcentral.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <199702200013.AAA15028@net1.netcentral.co.uk>, Tony Bloor writes >My aim is to have increased to six hives by the >autumn which I hope to achieve by obtaining swarms. >Would it be wise to avoid this method of making increase or I am just >delaying the inevitable? I would be interested to know if there are any >common practices around this issue. > Tony - We're still clear of varroa here in Merseyside as of last Autumn, but my own feeling is that if you collect swarms from within a few miles of your existing colonies, then you can't make things worse. Either they have the big V - so you will get it soon anyway by natural methods - or they havn't - so no harm done. In any case I feel that the long-term solution has got to be resistant/tolerant strains, and so I imagine that getting hold of a range of genes from the wild must improve our chances of finding desirable traits. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.demon.co.uk/emphasys ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 06:48:21 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Trevor Weatherhead Subject: Re: Sir Edmund Hillary' guides Yes, he had local sherpas (I think that's how you spell it) as guides. As I recall it was around 1953 but will stand corrected on the year. Looked up some more details and found his name is spelt with two l's. An old copy of Encyclopaedia Britannica has him " Born on July 20, 1919, at Auckland, and by profession an apiarist". Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:14:21 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Max Westby Subject: Re: famous beekeepers In-Reply-To: <4250151124021997/A14919/BTMV98/11B2C2CF3000*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Other famous beekeepers > > >To bee or not to bee - Shakespeare >To do is to bee - Nietzsche >To bee is to do - Sartre >Do bee do bee do - Sinatra > >Cheers, > >+++++ > >Hugo Thone Great One Hugo - at last some European humour! (with a u) Cheers, Max (\ ---------------------------------------------{|||8------------- Max Westby (/ (Among other things a Sheffield Beekeeper) South Yorkshire Beekeepers Association BBKA apiary reg: JQ34 Phone (Home): +44 (0)114 236 1038 Phone (Work): +44 (0)114 222 6508 (direct line/voicemail) Fax: +44 (0)114 276 6515 e-mail: m.westby@sheffield.ac.uk Web Site: http://www.shef.ac.uk/psychology/westby/ --------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:24:20 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Stephen Birchall (Stephen Birchall)" Subject: Re: Famous people keeping bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >There are newspaper cuttings here in Australia of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, >author of Sherlock Holmes, visiting apairies in Queensland. There it is said >he kept bees. > >I am surprised the New Zealanders have not come forward to claim Sir Edmund >Hilary as one of their own. Yes he was the first man to climb Mount Everest >and again I have seen newspaper cuttings plus articles in our bee magazines on >a visit by Sir Edmund to Australia and promoting the fact he ate honey and >kept bees. > >Trevor Weatherhead Sir Edmund Hilary made his living from bees - as a commercial beekeeper (at least, before the Everest expedition). Obviously all that lifting and carrying of stocks and supers was very good training ! Steve ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:51:22 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: latest buzz On Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:05:59 -0500 MIDNITEBEE writes: >http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ >Greetings! Maine has confirmed its first Africanized bee siting. Was it wearing Long John's? Never fear, it was probably on its way to Canada, if it can get thru Customs! BTW-Your web site, it's growing links, and the info you are passing along to all of us, is very much appreciated! >Another matter< - very recently, someone (here in New England I believe) recently mentionned that they supply bees for apitherapy purposes. Could that person please contact me by private e-mail. Thanks! Al --- Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"-- Educational Program About Honey Bees With A Superb Slide Show-Version 2.1 (c) 1997 Download From Sweden At : http://www.kuai.se/~beeman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:47:33 -0700 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Out of order MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sorry to bother the list with this, but I'm getting a ton of questions. Internode has had some server problems starting right around the time I announced my web page update. This has resulted in several crashes and restores, and the temporary loss of some functions, like the ability to use the discussion areas. Everything will be back to normal soon. Please just keep trying from time to time. (I notice that some people have managed to use them, regardless). *** BTW, PLEASE USE MY NEW URL *** (below). The old one leads to some files I have yet to erase, and sample areas that definitely never will work. Again, apologies for any inconvenience. Allen Dick VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Internet:dicka@cuug.ab.ca & allend@internode.net Honey,Bees&Art ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:28:51 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David J Trickett Subject: Re: Drones in February? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970220080327.4907cd00@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> from "James Amrine" at Feb 20, 97 07:59:30 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings all, I've been out of touch for a month or so, starting a new job. Finally got a chance to get back up to Philadelphia and check the hives (with the warm weather we had last week/weekend.) Yes, I DID notice drones, also noticed them a few times in December in some of the hives which have since expired. The otehr thing I noticed was that of five hives total which have expired, three contained samll clusters of bees including drones but no queen. I assumed that the queens in these hives had become unviable or simply died, and that absent new bees, the clusters simply shrank through winter attrition to the point of being unviable - at which point the survivors froze. In all cases these were young queens, going on their nuptial flights in late summer, and apparently laying reasonably well in the fall... When I get a chance to check the rest of my hives (only 10 more) I will check for additional drones. One more point. I have seen NO mites in any hives (living or dead). I used liquid applications of peppermint oil per the instructions from Dr. Amrine. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:35:18 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Wout <102336.711@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Subject listings of log files I have written a text utility that I call subjfind. This program will create a list of all the subject lines in text file containing e-mail files. It is perfect for creating a listing of each log file for research purposes. It removes all duplicates and even ignores the "RE:" and "FW:" that might create two entries. My program also alphabetizes the subjects to make it easier to find the subject you're looking for. The next step, I guess is to write a program that will create a virtual table of contents for the log files. This would require more considerable effort on my part and I not sure the output would be used. I will include a copy of the output of my program with this message. If anyone is interested in a copy of the listing for a given file, I'll be happy to send it to you specifically. If demand becomes great maybe someone with a homepage might consider keeping each file someplace where we can all download it. Subject listing for log9701c.lst This list was created by SUBJFIND a program written by Ted Wout "GRY" words "Ulee's Gold" ABF Convention from Dave Green Addresses Announcing BestOfBee-l -- A new List At the ABF convention Bee diseases and population Bernie Modin Best of Bee-L Boardmans chalk brood Chalk Brood; Changes in Thinking comb trapping email address eradication of Varroa Feeder Bags Feeder Bags or Boardmans Flooding. Fumagillan resistance? Fumagillin-nosema Help Hive outbreak from stings Honeybee Protection January issue of APIS JIM SMITH Johnson Dovetail machine New BeeKeeper New Beekeeper - post #2 NOSEMA oops open feeding open feeding & requeening pallets Pasteurization and Peter Barrett, Blue Mountains, 50 miles west of Sydney, Australia Plastic frames and foundation Polyurethane for Hives? requeening pallets Silver Bullet sourwood honey spurious "help" request Styrofoam feeders styrofoam hives supplier/buyer Thank you Thanks-Nosema Top Feeders Top-Bar Hive Beekeeping Web Pages Two Queen Colony Urban Beekeeping in Denver Urgent reqquest for info Varroa advice Varroa and Chalkbrood Viral disease of bee What a Site! Where's the bullet? Who Are Those Guys Anyhow? Ted Wout, 3rd year beekeeper, 8 hives, adding 4 this spring Red Oak, TX ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:35:12 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Wout <102336.711@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Ibuprofen & bee sting reaction G C Allison wrote: > Can any BEE-L subscriber with a better memory/filing system than me point me to a > concise summary of last year's postings on increased bee sting reaction after >taking Ibuprofen & similar painkillers, thank you I have copies of all the bee-line logs and my trusty grep utility yields the following results: File BEEL9306.TXT: inflammatory drug (ibuprofen, fenoprofen, naproxen, etc.) use ibuprofen, fenoprofen, naproxen, ketoprofen, sulindac, piroxicam, suprofen and tolmetin. File BEEL9307.TXT: Subject: Re: sting reaction and ibuprofen inflammatory drug (ibuprofen, fenoprofen, naproxen, etc.) use File BEEL9403.TXT: ibuprofen, fenoprofen, naproxen, ketoprofen, sulindac, piroxicam, suprofen and >anti-inflammatory drugs mentioned were ibuprofen, fenoprofen, >naproxen, ketoprofen, sulindac, piroxicam, suprofen and tolmetin. Yup. It was ibuprofen. Thanks for confirming my recollection, and File BEEL9508.TXT: once when I was taking a pain killer in the ibuprofen family, and I was stung uses of ibuprofen. Ask the doctor.. inflammation. Such drugs include ibuprofen, fenoprofen, naproxen, ketoprofen, sulindac, piroxicam, suprofen and File LOG9609D.TXT: I have been told that ibuprofen or any drug that ends with the extension -profen should not be used by beekeepers. Apparently, there Subject: Ibuprofen and Bee Venom Immunity ibuprofen thing. It was here on the bee line! I've downloaded your medicine chest of the -profen drugs. Dr. Mom at my house did >inflammatory drug (ibuprofen, fenoprofen, naproxen, etc.) use >ibuprofen, fenoprofen, naproxen, ketoprofen, sulindac, piroxicam, suprofen and inflammation. Such drugs include ibuprofen, fenoprofen, naproxen, ketoprofen, sulindac, piroxicam, suprofen and ibuprofen, but there's a fair range even in an individual (e.g., Ibuprofen) can diminish the ability of ones body to react normally to events. Take for example the ibuprofen flurry lately. Simple statistics reports. That would mean that our ibuprofen reactions occur only 1 in cases gets reported] = 15,000 'allergic ' beekeepers per ibuprofen ibuprofen and systemic reaction is demonstrated, I might become a events. Take for example the ibuprofen flurry lately. >> I was taking one of the "profen" drugs once (after dental surgery), and >events. Take for example the ibuprofen flurry lately. Simple statistics >reports. That would mean that our ibuprofen reactions occur only 1 in >cases gets reported] = 15,000 'allergic ' beekeepers per ibuprofen > events. Take for example the ibuprofen flurry lately. >> > I was taking one of the "profen" drugs once (after dental surgery), and Subject: Statistical significance of ibuprofen/bee sting reactions > improbably events. Take for example the ibuprofen flurry lately. such that the occurrences of a correlation between "Any-profen" and usual routine - get out of the beeyard and take a couple ibuprofens to possibility that the ibuprofens are exacerbating the condition, not it ibuprofen? No, I avoid "Any-profen" based on the article I posted. > a mechanism for the supposedly correlated effects between ibuprofen you against "any-profens", and in the realm of statistics you should not correlation between anyprofens and adverse bee sting reactions. So profen on Justin! However, don't discount the possibility that the the statistically insignificant dead ibuprofen takin' beekeeper from should avoid anyprofens, but every beekeeper should be aware that anyprofen and bee stings. Is Dave one? Beats the hell out of me, but File LOG9609E.TXT: Subject: Re: Statistical significance of ibuprofen/bee sting reactions File LOG9610B.TXT: (e.g., Ibuprofen) can diminish the ability of ones body to react normally to File LOG9611A.TXT: Subject: Ibuprofen sources regarding the ibuprofen article that was passed around and beaten up The sources included in the Ibuprofen article are listed below. I the xx-profens. I would be interested in follow-up information anyone Regarding Ibuprofen and stings I have a reference which originally came File LOG9611B.TXT: Subject: Ibuprofen Subject: Re: Ibuprofen two doctors that haven't checked when prescribing Ibuprofen, they may Subject: Re: Ibuprofen Ted Wout, 3rd year beekeeper, 8 hives, adding 4 this spring Red Oak, TX ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:09:32 +0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Vladimir V. Obolonkin" Subject: Famous People Who Keep Bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I'd like to add russian writer Lev Tolstoy ("Peace and War", "Anna Karenina" etc.). In his famous (and favourite of mine) "War and Peace" he used bee-theme at least three times. Cheers Dr.Vladimir V. Obolonkin e-mail: ooo@gray.isir.minsk.by ISIR, Chair of EcoInformSystems, office: 23 Dolgobrodskaya St., 220009, Minsk,Belarus ph.of.:(+375 017)230-73-72 ph.home: (+375 17)241-65-26 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:10:35 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: Re: spelling/apitherapy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ > >Greetings! Maine has confirmed its first Africanized bee" siting." > > Was it wearing Long John's? 1)AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! The spell checker must be re-installed. > >Another matter< - very recently, someone (here in New England I believe) > recently > mentionned that they supply bees for apitherapy purposes. 2)I beleive every beekeeper has bees.:)) Bees+ tweezers+ patient=apitherapy?Please correct if my information is wrong. I have a neighbor who might be interested in this type of therapy. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:21:38 EST Reply-To: "Glen B. Glater" Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Glen B. Glater" Subject: Trying to locate "Miraz" in NH or VT Does anyone know of a place called "Miraz" or something like that in New Hampshire or Vermont from which I can order bees? Both hives of mine died this winter (for unknown reasons) and I need to restart them. I'm thinking that bees from NH or VT may be more cold hardy (although we've had a very mild winter this year...) Thanks in advance for any pointers. --glen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:40:14 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: Re: Trying to locate "Miraz" in NH or VT Comments: To: "Glen B. Glater" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Charles Mraz is located in Vermont. tel#802-388-2995.He is in the apitherapy business.I do not believe he sells bees to beekeepers. Midnitebee(Herb) ---------- > From: Glen B. Glater > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Trying to locate "Miraz" in NH or VT > Date: Monday, February 24, 1997 1:21 PM > > Does anyone know of a place called "Miraz" or something like that in > New Hampshire or Vermont from which I can order bees? > > Both hives of mine died this winter (for unknown reasons) and I need > to restart them. I'm thinking that bees from NH or VT may be more > cold hardy (although we've had a very mild winter this year...) > > Thanks in advance for any pointers. > > --glen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:55:00 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Palm, Kevin R. (LLP)" Subject: Re: Trying to locate "Miraz" in NH or VT Comments: To: "Glen B. Glater" Glen, I believe you're referring to Charles Mraz, who is a renowned apitherapist in New England. I do not know if he supplies bees for beekeepers, but I doubt it. Kevin Palm Grafton, Ohio ---------- From: Glen B. Glater To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Trying to locate "Miraz" in NH or VT Date: Monday, February 24, 1997 1:21PM Does anyone know of a place called "Miraz" or something like that in New Hampshire or Vermont from which I can order bees? Both hives of mine died this winter (for unknown reasons) and I need to restart them. I'm thinking that bees from NH or VT may be more cold hardy (although we've had a very mild winter this year...) Thanks in advance for any pointers. --glen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:13:43 -1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Bob St. John" Subject: Re: spelling/apitherapy In-Reply-To: <199702241807.NAA14668@hitchhike.cybertours.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just read this on Bob's Bee-line, and got a real kick out of it: On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, MIDNITEBEE wrote: >http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ > >> >Greetings! Maine has confirmed its first Africanized bee" siting." >> >> Was it wearing Long John's? > >1)AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! The spell checker must be re-installed. > >> >Another matter< - very recently, someone (here in New England I believe) >> recently >> mentionned that they supply bees for apitherapy purposes. > >Someone else should use THEIR spell checker! What is this "mentionned?" Since when did "mentioned" have two n's at the end? Ha! Of course, we could probably call it a "typo." Kathryn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:25:21 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: spelling/apitherapy On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:10:35 -0500 MIDNITEBEE writes: >http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ > >2)I beleive every beekeeper has bees.:)) Bees+ tweezers+ >patient=apitherapy?Please correct if my information is wrong. I have a >neighbor who might be interested in this type of therapy. > 1)AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! The spell checker must be re-installed. Herb-----You should have used your spell checker again - see "beleive" above. :-) That response you labeled "2)" above is obvious info - taint't why I asked! :-) I am asking on behalf of a fellow beekeeper who is supplying bees to someone where he works (gratis). This woman brings them to her niece, who has MS and is finding a bit of relief from the stings her husband administers. My fellow beekeeper puts twenty or so bees in any handy container, like a peanut butter jar, plus a little comb and some honey. He also adds an empty cardboard toilet roll. He does this to give them some place to get in the dark and get in a clump. His problem is that he says that there is a high mortality rate, so he is wondering if there is a better way to containerize them for transit to the patient. The patient visited Charles Mraz in Vermont who administered the first batch of stings. It seems that the number and frequency of administration is just by trial and error until the patient finds what works/helps, if at all. That is the reason for my inquiry. Al --- Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"-- Educational Program About Honey Bees With A Superb Slide Show-Version 2.1 (c) 1997 Download From Sweden At : http://www.kuai.se/~beeman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:58:01 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: Re: spelling/apitherapy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Aha! Nothing like a play on words.I am not the greatest spellor,but who needs to bee! ---------- > From: Bob St. John > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: spelling/apitherapy > Date: Monday, February 24, 1997 2:13 PM > > I just read this on Bob's Bee-line, and got a real kick out of it: > > On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, MIDNITEBEE wrote: > >http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ > > > >> >Greetings! Maine has confirmed its first Africanized bee" siting." > >> > >> Was it wearing Long John's? > > > >1)AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! The spell checker must be re-installed. > > > >> >Another matter< - very recently, someone (here in New England I believe) > >> recently > >> mentionned that they supply bees for apitherapy purposes. > > > >Someone else should use THEIR spell checker! What is this "mentionned?" Since > when did "mentioned" have two n's at the end? Ha! Of course, we could probably > call it a "typo." Kathryn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:11:37 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: Re: spelling/apitherapy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Oh Boy!! It's poring rain on me.Did we not have this discussion on spilling on the Bee-L? I must learn to pick my enemies carefully.:)),before I reply to a message. ---------- > From: Albert W Needham > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: spelling/apitherapy > Date: Monday, February 24, 1997 2:25 PM > > On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:10:35 -0500 MIDNITEBEE > writes: > >http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ > > > >2)I beleive every beekeeper has bees.:)) Bees+ tweezers+ > >patient=apitherapy?Please correct if my information is wrong. I have a > >neighbor who might be interested in this type of therapy. > > > > Herb-----You should have used your spell checker again - see "beleive" > above. :-) > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:02:27 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Beeworks Subject: Re: Drones in February? In-Reply-To: <199702241628.LAA00977@dolphin.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 24 Feb 97 at 11:28, David J Trickett wrote: Re: Drones in February? > attrition to the point of being unviable - at which point the survivors froze. In all cases these > were young queens, going on their nuptial flights in late summer, and apparently laying reasonably > well in the fall... When I get a chance to check the rest of my hives (only 10 more) I will check > for additional drones. > One more point. I have seen NO mites in any hives (living or dead). I used liquid applications of > peppermint oil per the instructions from Dr. Amrine. Good News on one front but not the other! I would like to know where those young queens came from? Were they 'store bought' or did you make them yourself? You state 'apparently laying well in the fall', did you in fact check, or did you assume? Can you remember what the weather was like during mating, that's assuming you made them yourself. The signs all point to queen failure, possibly lack of mating quantity, they ran out of semen! No brood replacement, then the hive will decline to the point of no return. ********************************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Drive Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, Canada. L3V 6H1 David Eyre, Owner. Phone/Fax 705 326 7171 Dealers for E.H.Thorne & B.J.Sherriff UK http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks ********************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:01:12 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: spelling/apitherapy >Since when did "mentioned" have two n's at the end? Ha! Of course, we >could probably >> call it a "typo." Kathryn No, it's not a typo...it is how we spell it on my home planet ! And I ain't telling ya wer tat is! Al --- Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"-- Educational Program About Honey Bees With A Superb Slide Show-Version 2.1 (c) 1997 Download From Sweden At : http://www.kuai.se/~beeman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:38:52 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Queen killed by Field Bee force In-Reply-To: <199702240503.VAA26816@beach.silcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bee-listers: I lost one of my nice queens to what should have been an easy transition. Let me explain.... Spring time in Santa Barbara, CA has come early and my 4 hives ( 2 brood chamber set up) are already busting at the seams. So I decided to split two of them. I switched hives..... taking the old hive to a new location in the yard, and replaced this strong hive with a 4 frame nuc and laying queen. All the field bees would have to get used to this new queen. To make a gradual transition I boxed her up in one of the two part cardboard intro setups. That way they would have to chew through the cardboard and release her. Hopefully getting making the transition. Went back two days later.. and she was dead in the box. In retrospect I should have put her in one of the wooden, screen queen shipping cages and left her in for longer (3 days), then manually released her. Any other ideas for making a transition when dividing hives in swarm prevention and switching them to balance out the population? Paul Cronshaw DC Cyberchiro Hobby Beekeeper, Santa Barbara CA. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:25:20 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vince Coppola Subject: Re: Anise Hyssop seeds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Green wrote: > Anise Hyssop seeds. He reported that this is an excellent nectar source, > is a perennial, is winter hardy, easy to grow, and loved by bees. (snip) >> > > It is a long-blooming plant as well. It will often bloom in the fall for > a while here in the south, then bloom again throughout the spring. It has Hi Dave, I don't think it blooms quite that early in the north. Dr Szabo said that in Ontario it blooms well in Aug., and stars in early Jul.. Somtimes provides a good flow from mid Jul right through to early Sep. Another interesting tidbit was that he found that with some plants you must have a certain amount planted to get honeybees interested- then they will work it well. Smaller plantings may attract only bumblebees or yellowjackets. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:33:31 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vince Coppola Subject: Re: Subscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marie E. Thorp wrote: > > Would you please help me get Bee/L at? > Thanks so much for your time and help,you have a great service. > Take Care and GBY > John in HomesteadSend a message to- listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu No subject is needed just amessage like this: SUBSCRIBE BEE-L your name Thats it, you will get 10-60 messages /day. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:28:24 -0700 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Re: Queen killed by Field Bee force In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I switched hives..... taking the old hive to a new location in the yard, > and replaced this strong hive with a 4 frame nuc and laying queen. All > the field bees would have to get used to this new queen. Well, this is the opposite of what we would do to get a queen accepted. We move the *nuc* across the yard and put the queen in there with only young bees remaining. Only after she is laying well and has established brood, would I consider switching hives to equalise strength. As a general rule, young bees will accept any queen, older bees are more particular. If a flow is on, things usually go much better. Allen Dick VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 dicka@cuug.ab.ca & allend@internode.net http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:26:10 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael C Dooley Subject: Famous Bee People Content-Type: text/plain I believe bees were the symbol of the Medici dynasty in Renaissance Florence--beekeepers, perhaps? Also a question: John Lovett once announced to David Letterman, "Underneath these clothes, I'm nude as a bee!" I had never thought of bees as being particularly nude. Is this a misconception of the general public? Finally, I must say it's been really interesting to sit in on this list, and I mean that (I'm not a beekeeper). However, I've been disappointed not to hear a single reference to wearing a beard of bees, which of course is always a showstopper. Or is that generally frowned upon? Thanks for some entertaining discussions, Mike Dooley ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:47:32 -0600 Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: www.Birkey.Com Subject: Re: Trying to locate "Miraz" in NH or VT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glen B. Glater wrote: > > Does anyone know of a place called "Miraz" or something like that in > New Hampshire or Vermont from which I can order bees? > > Both hives of mine died this winter (for unknown reasons) and I need > to restart them. I'm thinking that bees from NH or VT may be more > cold hardy (although we've had a very mild winter this year...) Glen - Haven't heard of it but I could suggest someone else for "northern" bees. Give David Eyre a holler at The Beeworks at: beeworks@muskoka.net He has those thick-skinned bees, not bees that have been out rollerblading in Malibu. I've got a few queens on order for this year from him. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA bbirkey@interaccess.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:25:16 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: Famous Bee People On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:26:10 -0500 Michael C Dooley writes: > However, I've been disappointed not to hear a single reference > to wearing a beard of bees, .... Well Mike, Allen, up in the north country, is working on developing Tele-Bee_L. When he gets it up and running, we will be able to "see" folks with "bee beards". I think Allen wears one most of the time, except on hot sultry summer days. :-) Al ---- Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"-- Educational Program About Honey Bees With A Superb Slide Show-Version 2.1 (c) 1997 Download From Sweden At : http://www.kuai.se/~beeman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:07:32 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Morris Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees According to a beekeeping home page on CompuServe (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Beekeeping/) Thomas Edison kept bees at his home in Fort Myers, Fla. David Morris Laurel, Md ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 08:35:47 PST Reply-To: denmar@mind.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dennis Subject: Foulbrood sterilization In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gordon, In your message to Bee-L ( Re:Hive Coatings, Feb 21, 1997), you indicated= that parafin inmmersion of hive bodies is considered adaquate to kill = foulbroud spores in the UK. Could you expand on that please. Temperatur= e, time,...? How about tops and bottoms? Can suspect beeswax be heat = treated to kill spores? Dennis Morefield Sideline Beekeeper, Oregon, USA denmar@mind.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:05:56 -0600 Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: www.Birkey.Com Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wouldn't it be far easier to compile a list of non-famous beekeepers? We all probably no one of those! -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA bbirkey@interaccess.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:41:34 -0600 Reply-To: dvisrael@earthlink.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Worker Bee Subject: Lost Bookmarks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hit the delete by mistake and wiped out all my bee stuff bookmarks. I will begin rebuilding it with tomorrows mail. So I don't have to wait so long, I would like for as many of you that have web pages out there to reply to me directly with your site address. Thank you, Don ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:21:47 +1300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: bates Subject: Sir Edmund Hillary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All the posts Ive seen re Sir Edmund Hillary (in the Famous Beekeepers thread) have referred to him in the past tense. He is still alive, was recently the NZ Ambassador to India, and is pictured on the NZ $5 note. (Probably the most famous New Zealander.) Along with Sherpa Tensing, he was the first man to reach the summit of Mt Everest, in 1952 from memory, co-inciding with the coronation of QE II. Frank Bates ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:32:04 -0800 Reply-To: mwr@hotcity.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Reddell Subject: Re: Swarms and the risk of Varroa infection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Swarms obviously do spread Varroa, but on the other side of the coin, since a swarm has no brood to harbor mites, you can get the most bang for your buck (or pound, or whatever) when you put Apistan on a new swarm. All the mites in a swarm are on adult bees, and therefore, more exposed and suceptible to fluvalinate. I have very little problem with swarms absconding, so I put the strips in the hive right away with a new swarm. Some people wait a day or two to let the bees settle in first. Good luck to you guys who haven't seen a mite yet. Don't underestimate their destructive powers like I did when they first arrive. If you do, they'll kick your butt. Michael Reddell mwr@hotcity.com http://www.hotcity.com/~mwr ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:28:48 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dewey Peluso Subject: question: ground corn as a pollen substitute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! Today was a fairly warm day(60 deg F) and the bees were taking in large amounts of ground corn that I put out to feed to my cattle. 1) Is this a suitable pollen substitute nutritionally for brood rearing? 2) Should I begin feeding a soy based pollen substitute to keep them out of the corn? This is my first spring with bees and I would like to make some 3 frame splits from the strongest colonies.=20 I would like to build them up as much as possible. I live in northern Kentucky, USA with 8 hives. Thanks, Dewey \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/////////////////////////////////// Dewey Peluso Chapel Hill Aparies = =20 Demossville,Ky USA 8 Hives 1 Year =20 ///////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 03:36:30 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: Ian Watson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ I need to have Ian Warson reply to me at midnitebee@cybertours.com His email address was incorrect.Sorry,to post to the List. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 03:41:21 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: flat beeswax MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Does anyone know where I can purchase flat,smooth,colored bees wax? Thanks,Midnitebee(Herb) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:18:44 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jinnah Subject: Fairview College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have the e-mail address for Fairview College and Elder Hostel? Abbas ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:51:19 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Ground Corn as a Pollen Substitute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT It is common for bees to search for pollen-like substances in the absence of the real thing. Other items mentioned on this list include saw dust and bird seed from birdfeeders, none of which are of use to bees' diets. A soy based pollen substitute would be a good solution to the "bees in the cow's corn" problem. BeePro from Mann Lake has also received high praise on this list. Personally I have never used pollen substitutes for my bees. I fed a bit of pollen collected and frozen last summer to a few hives this weekend and the bees snatched it right up, while ignoring Baggie feeders of 1:1 sugar syrup. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:19:37 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: Software Program - "The HoneyBee" As most of you probably know and can "see" from my "sig" below, I created the educational software program "The HoneyBee" using the close-up photos taken by P-O Gustafsson. P-O subsequently created his own program in Swedish, which I consider worth looking at for the photography alone-even though, like myself you may not be fluent in Swedish. Anyhow, The HoneyBee is a "freeware program" created with "two goals" in mind: #1. Positive Public Relations for the general public on behalf of Honey Bees. #2. To "stir" some interest amongst "potential" beekeepers to go ahead and "take the plunge"! I have noticed of late, a "jump" in the number of folks who are "subscribing" to Bee-L. ( 677 last I knew ) Since The HoneyBee Program has a section which specifically suggests Bee-L (and how to subscribe) as a resource for learning about Honey Bees and beekeeping, I am curious how many (if any) of you new folks subscribing to Bee-L have done so as a result of looking at this program "The HoneyBee" ? I will appreciate it if you could privately e-mail your response to - awneedham@juno.com - and I would also appreciate any constructive comments you may have about The HoneyBee. Should I choose to do another revision in the future, your comments can be very helpful! Thanks, Al P.S. I used my "spell checker" on this one :-) --- Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"-- Educational Program About Honey Bees With A Superb Slide Show-Version 2.1 (c) 1997 Download From Sweden At : http://www.kuai.se/~beeman ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:32:54 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tim Damon Subject: Re: flat beeswax On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 03:41:21 -0500 MIDNITEBEE writes: >http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ >Does anyone know where I can purchase flat,smooth,colored bees wax? > Thanks,Midnitebee(Herb) > Last week I recivied my 1997 catalog from Groeb Farms and I noticed that they have smooth, colored beeswax sheets listed for $1.00 per sheet. They are located in Onsted, Michigan. Their phone # is 517-467-2065. Tim Damon Ann Arbor, Michigan-U.S.A. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:02:47 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Wout <102336.711@CompuServe.COM> Subject: FW: Queen killed by Field Bee force Paul Cronshaw wrote: >Went back two days later.. and she was dead in the box. In retrospect I >should have put her in one of the wooden, screen queen shipping cages and >left her in for longer (3 days), then manually released her. Last year I had a hive that swarmed and then, for some reason, the new queen just wasn't a good layer. The hive was despondent and was losing population. I decided to requeen. I bought a new buckfast queen from Weaver's in Navasota, TX, a more local and very reputable supplier. Before putting the wooden queen cage in the hive I released all of the attendants. I found the old queen, pinched her and left her in the bottom of the hive. I set the queen cage in the hive, candy end up, and left the hive alone for several days. When I went back to check on her the queen was dead. The bees had eaten away the candy and killed her for some reason. I was out $14. Does this just happen sometimes? Is there a better way? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:31:10 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Faith Andrews Bedford Subject: Re: Bee Beards In a message dated 97-02-24 19:27:39 EST, Mike Dooley writes: << However, I've been disappointed not to hear a single reference to wearing a beard of bees, which of course is always a showstopper. Or is that generally frowned upon? >> Mike - I just went to the Florida State Fair last week where they did "bee beards" twice a day. Most impressive. Now, for all you lady beekeepers out there. Have any of YOU ever worn a bee beard? I've certainly had them crawling all over me at harvest time (I'm always amazed that they pay me no mind, just think I'm a large pink tree or something) but never done a bee beard. It is great fun to work at our little country fair in Virginia and go into the bee cage and open the hive and show all the people, especially the children, what goes on in the big white box. They think I'm so brave. Hah! Faith Andrews Bedford Ivy, VA and Tampa ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:03:22 -0800 Reply-To: dougm@west-teq.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Doug McCulloch Subject: fireweed honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm looking for some fireweed honey in quantities, as a favour to a friend who is in the brewing business. He specifically asked for fireweed so if anyone could help me on this it would be appreciated. Thanks, Doug McCulloch ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:42:24 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Verville Subject: Re: Queen killed by Field Bee force MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This happens more often than not when you introduce a new queen to a established older colony. here's what I do and I get good results. When the new queen arrives, I put her and one brood frame in a hive body off to the side. I shake in some extra bees and semi-block the entrance. I wait for about a week, then with little or no smoke check the hive to see if the queen was released. If so, I can either let the hive build a little more and then I put the new hive on top of the parent separated by newspaper after killing the old queen. The older field bees which are hostile to new queens, stay in the bottom untill they get the signals from the new queen. Dave Verville ---------- > From: Ted Wout <102336.711@CompuServe.COM> > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: FW: Queen killed by Field Bee force > Date: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 10:02 AM > > Paul Cronshaw wrote: > >Went back two days later.. and she was dead in the box. In retrospect I > >should have put her in one of the wooden, screen queen shipping cages and > >left her in for longer (3 days), then manually released her. > > Last year I had a hive that swarmed and then, for some reason, the new > queen just wasn't a good layer. The hive was despondent and was losing > population. I decided to requeen. I bought a new buckfast queen from > Weaver's in Navasota, TX, a more local and very reputable supplier. > Before putting the wooden queen cage in the hive I released all of the > attendants. I found the old queen, pinched her and left her in the > bottom of the hive. I set the queen cage in the hive, candy end up, > and left the hive alone for several days. When I went back to check on > her the queen was dead. The bees had eaten away the candy and killed > her for some reason. I was out $14. Does this just happen sometimes? > Is there a better way? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:48:00 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Palm, Kevin R. (LLP)" Subject: Orchard Mason Bee Nesting Block Howdy!! I am thinking about making a couple of Orchard Mason Bee nesting blocks to supplement pollination in my garden. Can these be made out of treated wood?? I know that honey can't be in contact with treated wood, but I thought that these nesting blocks might be different since no honey is made or extracted. Opinions?? Kevin Palm Grafton, Ohio ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:58:58 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Charles Cannon Subject: wife needs help with school project. Hello, My wife is doing a business plan on beekeeping for her class she is takeing in needs some information on the commercial beekeeping buseiness. Questions? 1.)How much would a pint and quart of honey with 1 chuck of comb be selling for right now on the market. 2.)what is the goeing hive rental fee for crop polenation this year. need to find out anything she can about the business end of beekeeping any help in this matter would be very helpful. Thank you for your time in help on this subject. E-mail personal: April4u867@aol.com or Member8699@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:17:11 +0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Vladimir V. Obolonkin" Subject: Christian Maier-Ramnaes from Denmark Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry to Bee-liners that I use list but I have problem trying to e-mail to Christian Maier-Ramnaes from Denmark. That is what I recieved ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- (unrecoverable error) Any Idea? Dr.Vladimir V. Obolonkin e-mail: ooo@gray.isir.minsk.by ISIR, Chair of EcoInformSystems, office: 23 Dolgobrodskaya St., 220009, Minsk,Belarus ph.of.:(+375 017)230-73-72 ph.home: (+375 17)241-65-26 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:20:27 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bonnie Pierson Subject: Re: Bee Beards Dear Faith, The Lorain County Beekeepers, in Ohio presented bee beard demos at the fair in 1996. The secretary, Jean Mc Avoy and I wore bee beards along with several of the men. It is in the plan for next year, too. Bonnie Pierson 16 colonies, 3 years, I wanna bee !!!. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:37:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ivan McGill Subject: Re: Fairview College Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Does anyone have the e-mail address for Fairview College and Elder Hostel? > >Abbas HI: e-mail address: registrar@fairviewc.ab.ca homepage: www.fairview.ab.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:44:41 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Joel W. Govostes" Subject: Re: Fairview College In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone around who as been thru the apiculture program there (@ Fairview), or could someone describe the program they offer? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:47:06 -0600 Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: www.Birkey.Com Subject: Re: FW: Queen killed by Field Bee force MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ted Wout wrote: >I bought a new buckfast queen from > Weaver's in Navasota, TX, a more local and very reputable supplier. > Before putting the wooden queen cage in the hive I released all of the > attendants. I found the old queen, pinched her and left her in the > bottom of the hive. I set the queen cage in the hive, candy end up, > and left the hive alone for several days. When I went back to check on > her the queen was dead. The bees had eaten away the candy and killed > her for some reason. I was out $14. Does this just happen sometimes? > Is there a better way? Ted - This does happen as last spring I recieved two Buckfast queens from Weaver also and both of mine ended up in the fetal position on the ground in front of the hive which as you know doesn't make for a productive hive. Is there a better way? I think so. I would not use Buckfast queens anymore but start with a package if I wanted Buckfast. Obviously there are many things that factor into queen replacement but I've never had this kind of extreme rejection before. Personally I think there is something legitimately affecting some of the queens that are being breed. If there was only just an isolated case here and there, that would be one thing but we're hearing more and more of these queen stories. Maybe I'm all wet. Maybe someone else can explain it all. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA bbirkey@interaccess.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:32:00 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Palm, Kevin R. (LLP)" Subject: Buckfast Queens (Was: Queen killed by Field Bee force Folks, If I can add my $0.02, I also ordered two Buckfast queens when I made a split and requeened my Yugo colony last year, one from B. Weaver, and one from R. Weaver. Both of them did really well, the queen from B. Weaver helping me get over 100 pounds of honey from her hive. I had no problems at all with introducing them. Maybe I just got lucky, or maybe a few people just got unlucky. I don't know. Kevin Palm Grafton, Ohio ---------- From: Barry Birkey To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Re: FW: Queen killed by Field Bee force Date: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 2:47PM Ted Wout wrote: >I bought a new buckfast queen from > Weaver's in Navasota, TX, a more local and very reputable supplier. > Before putting the wooden queen cage in the hive I released all of the > attendants. I found the old queen, pinched her and left her in the > bottom of the hive. I set the queen cage in the hive, candy end up, > and left the hive alone for several days. When I went back to check on > her the queen was dead. The bees had eaten away the candy and killed > her for some reason. I was out $14. Does this just happen sometimes? > Is there a better way? Ted - This does happen as last spring I recieved two Buckfast queens from Weaver also and both of mine ended up in the fetal position on the ground in front of the hive which as you know doesn't make for a productive hive. Is there a better way? I think so. I would not use Buckfast queens anymore but start with a package if I wanted Buckfast. Obviously there are many things that factor into queen replacement but I've never had this kind of extreme rejection before. Personally I think there is something legitimately affecting some of the queens that are being breed. If there was only just an isolated case here and there, that would be one thing but we're hearing more and more of these queen stories. Maybe I'm all wet. Maybe someone else can explain it all. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA bbirkey@interaccess.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:56:21 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Kriston M. Bruland" Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens (Was: Queen killed by Field Bee force In-Reply-To: "Palm, Kevin R. (LLP)" "Buckfast Queens (Was: Queen killed by Field Bee force" (Feb 25, 3:32pm) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Feb 25, 3:32pm, Palm, Kevin R. (LLP) wrote: > Subject: Buckfast Queens (Was: Queen killed by Field Bee force > Folks, > > If I can add my $0.02, I also ordered two Buckfast queens when I made a > split and requeened my Yugo colony last year, one from B. Weaver, and > one from R. Weaver. Both of them did really well, the queen from B. > Weaver helping me get over 100 pounds of honey from her hive. I had no > problems at all with introducing them. Maybe I just got lucky, or maybe > a few people just got unlucky. I don't know. > > Kevin Palm > Grafton, Ohio > ---------- Hi Everyone, I too ordered six new queens from B. Weaver and requeened last summer. I got three Buckfasts and three "All Americans" (Italians) all of which were accepted and produced well. The Buckfasts seemed to be willing to fly in colder weather and made more honey than the others. I was very satisfied and will order from them again. I had to replace these six queens in July due to poor laying patterns exhibited by queens with package bees from a California supplier. The old queens were all very small; not much larger than a worker bee; half of them just disappeared and the others left about every other cell empty. To introduce the new ones, I suspended the cages between frames in the top deep box (I use two per colony) with the candy still in. The bees removed the old queen themselves and released the new one later in all cases. Kris Bruland Member of Mt. Baker Beekeepers Association Bellingham, WA U.S.A. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:32:12 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Drutchas Organization: Bee Haven Honey Subject: Bee-Bop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heard a good one today, this guy put some bees in a jar with a rock, ties on a line and tosses it in to where he is fishing, says the buzzing and the moving bees will attrack fish. This may have been hashed over but if not has anyone had experience requeening queenright hives with cells? If I remember right a few years back in one of the jouurnals somebody mentioned having good success puttings a cell or two in a filling up super. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:47:29 -0600 Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: www.Birkey.Com Subject: Re: FW: Queen killed by Field Bee force MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all - Well it seems from all the replies I've gotten from others that have requeened with Buckfast, the common advice seems to be that the Buckfast queens need to be introduced with a longer caged time than one would be use to with say italians. If I remember right, I think I did the nail hole through the candy procedure which may have speeded up the process too much. I guess I will have to give it one more try and see if I can do it the Buckfast way! Thanks for all your input. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA bbirkey@interaccess.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:41:49 +1200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andrew Matheson Subject: Edmund Hillary Comments: To: bee-l.list%MAFHO.HOWGTN@cogs.maf.govt.nz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Yes, Edmund Hillary is a New Zealander and was one of two people who were the first to reach the top of Mt Everest in 1953. He belongs in the category 'famous people who used to keep bees'. His father Percy Hillary had a small holding south of Auckland (New Zealand's largest city) and developed a commercial beekeeping business. He was also heavily involved in industry organisations and promoting new marketing methods, and founded and edited several beekeeping journals (he had been a newspaper editor). Ed Hillary recounts some of his beekeeping time in one of his books (Nothing venture, nothing win): "Finally I dropped out from university to work full time for my father, as my brother did too. It was a good life; a life of open air and sun and hard physical work. And in its way a life of uncertainty and adventure; a constant fight against the vagaries of the weather. "We had 1600 hives of bees spread around the pleasant dairyland south of Auckland, occupying small corners on fifty different farms... We neve knew what our crop would be until the last pound of honey had been taken off the hives; it could range from a massive sixty tons down to a miserable twenty or less. But all through the exciting months of the honey flow the dream of a bumper crop would drive us on through long hard hours of labour; manhandling thousands of ninety pound boxes of honey comb for extracting, and grimacing at our daily ration of a dozen, or a hundred beestings. We were incurable optimists." His involvement in the family business diminished as he spent more time climbing, exploring, and helping the Sherpa people. In 1994 I had the opportunity to hear 'Sir Ed' address a dinner at the annual conference of the National Beekeepers' Association, and he drew on his time with beekeeping and the value of honest, hard, outdoor work. Sounds like it could have been rather hokey, but it was the most refreshingly personal talk I've ever heard at a beekeepers' meeting, or probably elsewhere for that matter. In the early 1990s when New Zealand issued new designs of banknotes, notable New Zealanders were to be featured. By some process of public consultation (I'm not sure how this happened, as I was out of the country) Ed Hillary was selected as the only living New Zealander to end up on the banknotes. (And he's the only (former) beekeeper, I suppose, at least on New Zealand's currency!). Andrew ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:57:52 -0800 Reply-To: mwr@hotcity.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Reddell Subject: Swarms in February MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The discussion of drones in February is interesting, but makes me all the more aware of how flexible these creatures are. While you northeasterners are trying to find a day warm enough to peek in at your drones, the swarm season is under way in the central coastal region of California. I've heard several reports of swarms in the past few weeks, and got my first of the season today in San Jose. it weighed in at 4.75 pounds. Michael Reddell mwr@hotcity.com http://www.hotcity.com/~mwr ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:55:56 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Beeworks Subject: Re: FW: Queen killed by Field Bee force In-Reply-To: <970225150246_102336.711_HHQ83-1@CompuServe.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 25 Feb 97 at 10:02, Ted Wout wrote: FW: Queen killed by Field Bee force > Last year I had a hive that swarmed and then, for some reason, the new > queen just wasn't a good layer. The hive was despondent and was losing > population. I decided to requeen. I bought a new buckfast queen from > Weaver's in Navasota, TX, a more local and very reputable supplier. > Before putting the wooden queen cage in the hive I released all of the > attendants. I found the old queen, pinched her and left her in the > bottom of the hive. I set the queen cage in the hive, candy end up, and > left the hive alone for several days. When I went back to check on her > the queen was dead. The bees had eaten away the candy and killed her for > some reason. I was out $14. Does this just happen sometimes? Is there a > better way? Classic! Obviously the swarm queen wasn't up to snuff, so the bees were in the process of superscedure, as you must have had two queens in that hive. Question? Which one did you pinch? When a queen is not working properly it is vital that the hive is watched carefully to establish the problem before jumping in to requeen. Often a superscedure queen is better than a bought queen, as all the hives effort is going into just one cell. As some one else wrote, it is better to make a small nuc for queen introduction. After waiting for her brood to start emerging, then unite with newspaper. ********************************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Drive Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, Canada. L3V 6H1 David Eyre, Owner. Phone/Fax 705 326 7171 Dealers for E.H.Thorne & B.J.Sherriff UK http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks ********************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:13:27 -0700 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: US/Canada Border (again) Comments: To: mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu, bees@compusmart.ab.ca In-Reply-To: <1355164439-3757012@aix.pacwan.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This is in response to the Beta of the latest APIS, received this AM from APIS-L: Again Tom has produced an excellent issue. APIS is definitely one of the most timely, objective and relevant commentaries available about current events and thought in North America on matters relating to honeybees. The quote from Apis included at the end of this article regarding US bee stock import law, shows how far out of touch with reality the regulations (and some regulators) can be. To me, attempts to regulate importation of bees into the continental US have to be considered in terms of the natural facts. Resources and regulations should be reserved for areas where they have some chance of accomplishing some obvious good, and not squandered on retrograde actions that impede trade and scientific advancement. I realise that big things have happened recently, but closing the barn door is a bit late now. The horse is gone. There is likely some need for controlling honeybee travel across international borders, however, the minimum necessary to provide *certain* benefits is all that can be honestly justified. We must also remember that national boundaries are largely artificial and hard to maintain unless thet coincide with natural features that impede easy travel. Honeybees do and will continue to routinely cross the US/Canada border at many points -- without the aid of man. The US Canada border is invisible at many points. Once into the USA, this stock intermingles with US bees along the border, and come Fall, is whisked away to California or Florida, or someplace warm where it is placed right beside bees that will soon travel to virtually all other places in the United States that can be reached by road, as well as stock that will be providing packages for places like Alaska. Of course this international border crossing happens in reverse; however, once into Canada, the spread of honeybee stock and pests is very different, since migratory beekeeping is much less common. In areas where moving bees considerable distances is routinely practiced, like British Columbia, the spread of bees and both mites has been rapid. In other areas, spread of stock and pests has been *much* slower, particularly since people are aware of the dangers of moving bees. It is evident that all of Canada will, before too long, have all the bee pests that are present in the USA, but because of different practices and the cold climate which is hostile to unhealthy bees, spread of disease and pests typically is over a decade or two, rather than the several year period that appears typical in the USA. Canadian beekeepers are monitoring the current spread of mites in Canada from the border areas, and are for the most part anxious to resume trade with the US in bees as soon as the mites become as prevalent and widespread in Canada as in the US -- and assuming nothing new comes into the picture. This moment is increasingly imminent; it is becoming a judgement call when that condition will ocur. Of course, there always concerns about international trade, and some few Canadian beekeepers are firmly protectionist, but strong movements are underfoot in Canada to examine all the implications of free trade and to ensure that two way trade across the US border resumes as quickly as can be arranged, to the benefit of *both* parties. In anticipation of coming changes, the Alberta Beekeepers Association is working proactively to uncover and untangle all the various rules and regulations related to re-opening the border to import of US commercial shipments and to understand what it will eventually mean in terms of opportunities gained, and advantages given up-- for both parties. Alberta is a small portion of Canada's landmass, however, it produces about a third of all Canadian honey. Although there are sometimes strong justifications for regulating international borders, there are huge costs involved, both in terms of actual monitoring and enforcement, and in terms of lost opportunities and profits. Regulations that attempt to control or prevent importation of Canadian (and possibly Mexican) stock into the continental US, seem to me to be somewhat antique and quixotic -- like spitting into the wind. I think that limited resources and efforts are better directed into developing solutions to the pests than arranging draconian measures to attempt to prevent the inevitable. That notwithstanding, strong regulations to protect Hawaii and some other isolated areas do make sense. Controls have a chance of working for a while, and the economic advantage of having protected areas is hugely beneficial; nonetheless it is only a matter of time until these regions too are infected, modern travel being what it is. As far as Mexican imports are concerned, the issue is somewhat different from those of Canada, since Mexico has tropical areas and shares land borders with other, less regulated countries. However, I understand that honeybees do naturally come and go across the Rio Grande and other US/Mexico border areas where bees are kept on both sides, so there is obviously no way to prevent importing Mexican bees into the US. I imagine there could be some risk in importing from far south of Mexico, particularly if the Mexicans or their southern neighbours are not careful about what they import, and from where. Perhaps a path more rewarding than attempting to prevent importation of Mexican bees would be for the USA to assist (and possibly pressure) neighbours to tighten their import regulations where introduction of entirely new and potentially destructive pests is a risk. For the record, several decades ago, Canadians imported package bees on a commercial scale from Mexico. I think that the essential issue comes down to bees and *beekeepers* crossing the borders *together*, not importation of small scientific samples from contiguous countries. If two way travel of bees on commercial scale throughout the entirety of North America becomes the norm, as I am sure some day it inevitably will, we will see far faster spread of any pests or new bee strains throughout all of North America. This danger will be accompanied by some economic advantages and the question will be which will dominate: the gains, or the perceived potential costs; I have no doubt that the former will. As a final note: As far as Australia and New Zealand stocks are concerned, the US has no reason to ban them. These countries are extremely careful about what they import and are isolated from pests due to geography. Moreover, during the past decade or so, hundreds of thousands of packages from those two countries have flooded Canada. Subsequently, some have legally moved in truckloads, I am sure, south across the border into the USA and joined the mix. There is much reason to be concerned about other parts of the world: some are safe, but many harbour serious pests. In conclusion: In our attempts to protect ourselves from potential threats, we incur certain and measureable costs, both in human resources and financial expense, as well as loss of benefits and profits. Careful evaluation of the cost/benefit ratio is required to ensure that time and money is not wasted on an idealistic cause that is too expensive, frustrating to the industry being regulated, and doomed to failure from the start. --- Quote form APIS: > Dr. Eric Mussen, in his latest newsletter, From the UC Apiaries, provides > a discussion of changes in the offing for the honey bee importation law, > originally passed in 1922. The current act, according to Dr. Mussen, is > basically a prohibition to import anything involving live bees and > reproductive products into the United States. USDA researchers and their > cooperators were the only possible exceptions. > The new look at the 1922 bee law (under the Federal Advisory Committee > Act) will involve formulation of a Technical Advisory Group (TAG) that > would decide who is allowed to import what from where. This still would > allow "research" imports, Dr. Mussen says, but exotic queen and/or semen > importations would have to arrive through an approved quarantine > facility, be reared under close scrutiny, then released following review > of data by the TAG. > Commercial stock importations from the previously mentioned countries, > plus Canada and Mexico, would be allowed through a permitting system. > Using the FAO guidelines (Risk Assessment Process), if no health threat > is perceived, and the importer adequately justifies the need for > importation, the permit would be issued. Allen Dick VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 dicka@cuug.ab.ca & allend@internode.net http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 06:40:32 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Sid Pullinger Subject: Spoon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" <<<>>> Standard teaspoon as issued by chemists here with medicine is 5 millilitres or 5cc, whichever you fancy. Most teaspoons approximate to this. Sid P. _________________________________________________________________ Sid Pullinger Email : sidpul@aladdin.co.uk 36, Grange Rd Compuserve: 100343.1216@compuserve.com Alresford Hants SO24 9HF England ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 07:16:51 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Sid Pullinger Subject: Entrances Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > 2 Is there an advantage/disadvantage to making bottom boards with the > opening in the long side (warm way) ?, as this is how the two logs I cut open > with feral hives had their combs oriented.>>>>> <<<>>>> Warm way is when the combs are parallel to the entrance. All the air entering the hive must pass under the first comb. This is not possible with the Langstroth and Dadant as the appliance makers in their wisdom put the entrance on the narrow side. If you want warm way you must modify the floorboard. Here in England, as well as Langstroth and Dadant we have two square hives in common use so the beekeeper can choose. Cold way is when the combs are at right angles to the entrance. The air entering the hive can disperse more easily. Wherever beekeepers gather the argument arises -- which is the better way. So far no one has come up with a convincing reason for either. A similar argument arises over ventilation in winter. Some shut the entrance down to a small gap, others leave the entrance wide open or cut a square foot hole in the floorboard. Some insist on top ventilation, others seal the top with insulating material. Whatever is done, most bees survive. Sid P. _________________________________________________________________ Sid Pullinger Email : sidpul@aladdin.co.uk 36, Grange Rd Compuserve: 100343.1216@compuserve.com Alresford Hants SO24 9HF England ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:01:59 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gordon Ramel Subject: New Journal Comments: To: FORENT@trillium.uvm.edu, listserv@gypsy.fsl.wvnet.edu, seb-l@carpa.ciagri.usp.br, socinsct-request@uacsc2.albany.edu Hi All, Just to let you know that a new journal, "Journal of Insect Conservation" ISSN = 1366-138X (Vol. 1 4 issues in 1997), is on its way it will be published by Chapman and Hall see (http://www.thomsonscience.com and or http://www.chapmanhall.com) This is a peer-reviewed journal published in association with the British Butterfly Conservation Society. 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"felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 07:45:48 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Sid Pullinger Subject: Old combs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" <<<<>>>> Will the writer of the above please read my letter again. I made no reference to stored combs, an entirely different situation. My letter concerned the re-use of old mouldy combs, in store for a year, and from a colony which died out, cause unknown. The cause might have been varroa, in which case no danger in re-use, but it could have been a contagious disease: the beekeeper did not know the reason for the colony's collapse. Starting a new colony with such combs, almost certainly containing nosema and chalk brood spores if nothing worse, is not my idea of good beekeeping and in my view is asking for trouble. Incidentally,far more work for the bees than drawing out new foundation. Sid P. _________________________________________________________________ Sid Pullinger Email : sidpul@aladdin.co.uk 36, Grange Rd Compuserve: 100343.1216@compuserve.com Alresford Hants SO24 9HF England ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:29:47 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Re: Famous People Who Keep Bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jerry Bromenshenk responded to the following question: >> Are there some people (dead) being helped out? :-) His reply: > Only those who have been in communiction through the Psychic network - >probably using a cell phone from the other side. I just hope they weren't driving at the time! Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 893-2838 (UCSB office) Ecol., Evol., & Marine Biology (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara (805) 963-8508 (home office & FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 *********************************************************************** * "THIS LIFE may be the only chance you'll ever get to show what * * you can do." Pot-Shots #6923 * * Copyright, Ashleigh Brilliant --- used with permission * *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:18:25 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Pollination Services Subject: Re: question: ground corn as a pollen substitute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Hi, All Dewey Peluso,Chapel Hill Aparies, asked about ground corn. Our apiary, Yad-Mordechai Apiary, in Kibbutz Yad-Mordechai, Israel, has had very bad experience with ground corn under very similar conditions. The corn has very low nutritive value, concerning bees and many hives were damaged during the last two year, because, it seems, their proximity to the corn grounds' store sites. We observed mainly damage to the brood. So, take care. Regards, Dan ------------------------------------- Name: WEil Dan Pollination Services Yad-Mordechai E-mail: yad_mord@netvision.net.il Date: 26/02/1997 Time: 06:37:53 AM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:10:47 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jean-Francois Lariviere Subject: News Release - FIRST TIME IN USA: APITHERAPY COURSE URGENT: DATED MATERIAL +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HOLISTIC HEALING WITH HONEYBEES -- First Ever Apitherapy Knowledge Review Course -- For the first time in the United States, a four -day, in-depth course on the healing properties of the beehive (also known as Apitherapy). Developed by the American Apitherapy Society (AAS), this unique 40 hour course is based on extensive clinical experience and the massive database of libraries belonging to the AAS. A group of selected experts, from Physicians to lay practitioners, alternative health specialists and beekeepers will gather in Millerton, Pennsylvania from July 2nd through July 5th, 1997 on the Draper Apiary Farm. Designed to give comprehensive understanding of Apitherapy, the course will cover clinical applications of all hive products, including Bee Venom, Royal Jelly, Bee Pollen and Propolis. With demonstrations, practice periods, workshops, lectures and a visit to a beeyard, this four-day course includes an instruction book, lunch every day, dinner on the first three days and a Certificate of Completion for only $325. The course is open to anyone interested in Holistic Health, including Chiropractors, Naturopaths, Holistic Physicians, Practitioners of Chinese Medicine, Herbalist, Natural Health Practitioners. For More Information, contact: Louise Estupinian, Course Coordinator Phone: 415-454-0692 Fax: 415-927-1128 E-mail: 102450.3252@compuserve.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:17:23 -0500 Reply-To: tvf@umich.edu Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Organization: The University of Michigan Subject: Re: Old combs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sid Pullinger wrote: >I made no > reference to stored combs, an entirely different situation. My letter > concerned the re-use of old mouldy combs, in store for a year, and from a > colony which died out, cause unknown. The cause might have been varroa, in > which case no danger in re-use, but it could have been a contagious disease: > the beekeeper did not know the reason for the colony's collapse. Starting a > new colony with such combs, almost certainly containing nosema and chalk > brood spores if nothing worse, is not my idea of good beekeeping and in my > view is asking for trouble. Incidentally,far more work for the bees than > drawing out new foundation. The point here is that certain diseases should be avoided when giving old nasty combs to new colonies to clean out. I agree that AFB combs should never be used, but burned instead. However, it is easy to check combs, even dirty, moldy combs for AFB scales and other signs. On the other hand, nosema spores are everywhere; you can't avoid them - they will even get onto perfectly new drawn comb. Chalkbrood is, as I understand it, a disease of stress (like EFB) to which genetically susceptible strains will succumb. A good colony will just throw out the chalkbrood mummies and get on with the job. A bad colony under stress will get chalkbrood on new combs as well. My advice: except for AFB (which every beekeeper should learn to identify), use the old combs and save yourself unnecessary work. There is already enough to do. Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan, USA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:21:45 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "(Thomas) (Cornick)" Subject: Re: Spoon In a message dated 97-02-26 09:45:47 EST, you write: << Y.EDU <<<>>> Standard teaspoon as issued by chemists here with medicine is 5 millilitres or 5cc, whichever you fancy. Most teaspoons approximate to this. Sid P. ________________________ >> 20 water drops per ml 100 drops per teaspoon ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:11:37 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Beeworks Subject: Re: Queen killed In-Reply-To: <331341BA.35AE@interaccess.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 25 Feb 97 at 13:47, Barry Birkey wrote: Re: FW: Queen killed by Field Bee f > not use Buckfast queens anymore but start with a package if I wanted Buckfast. > Obviously there are many things that factor into queen replacement but I've never had > this kind of extreme rejection before. Personally I think there is something legitimately > affecting some of the queens that are being breed. If there was only just an isolated > case here and there, that would be one thing but we're hearing more and more of these > queen stories. Maybe I'm all wet. Maybe someone else can explain it all. There has been reports in the past that Buckfast are more difficult to introduce. The suggestion is to use a small nuc as a starter, but then this method has been advocated many, many times in the past. Don't take a gamble on expensive queens, by requeening a full sized hive. I must agree, there is a trend developing with queens which I find very disturbing, some of which can be attributed to poor mating. ********************************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Drive Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, Canada. L3V 6H1 David Eyre, Owner. Phone/Fax 705 326 7171 Dealers for E.H.Thorne & B.J.Sherriff UK http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks ********************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:57:06 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: The HoneyBee For your information: I am currently working on a U.S. Web Site "Welcome To The Home Of The HoneyBee", from which this educational software program can be downloaded. Will post the URL when I get the place setup ready to go. Al --- Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"-- Educational Program About Honey Bees With A Superb Slide Show-Version 2.1 (c) 1997 Download From Sweden At : http://www.kuai.se/~beeman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:11:19 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Wout <102336.711@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: FW: Queen killed by Field Bee force David Eyre wrote: >Classic! Obviously the swarm queen wasn't up to snuff, so the bees were in >the process of superscedure, as you must have had two queens in that hive. > Question? Which one did you pinch? >When a queen is not working properly it is vital that the hive is >watched carefully to establish the problem before jumping in to requeen. >Often a superscedure queen is better than a bought queen, as all the hives >effort is going into just one cell. > As some one else wrote, it is better to make a small nuc for queen >introduction. After waiting for her brood to start emerging, then unite >with newspaper. Actually, by the time my new queen arrived, the old one appeared to not be laying anymore. There were no supersedure cells in the hive. The bees just looked horrible. You could tell things weren't right. I hoped the new queen could turn it around but it was probably too late. I have been told that a 70% success rate in requeening is pretty good. If so, then I have been lucky in the past and just need to chalk this one up. Perhaps things would have been better if I used some bees from a neighboring hive, introduced the queen with them and then united with newspaper. Maybe, if I hadn't put a nail hole through the candy and the introduction time was longer. Maybe, if I killed the old queen and waited a day before introduction. I'll never know as I have burned the hive and tried to forget about it. I'd rather be out a hive than risk infecting more bees with something contagious. I never determined what was wrong, but by getting rid of a bad hive I purged the risk it may have presented to the rest of my apiary. Later this year, I plan to do some requeening as I have some severely cross tempered hives. I plan to use the newspaper trick next time. BTW, David, I read the announcement about your representing E.H.Thorne on these shores in Bee Culture. Congratulations. I would also like some information about your four frame observation hive. Ted Wout, 3rd year beekeeper, 8 hives, adding 4 this spring Red Oak, TX ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:11:22 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Wout <102336.711@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: US/Canada Border (again) I have to agree with Allen on the border issues between Canada and the US. It's useless to try and prevent the flow of bees either direction. I just made a trip to Vancouver, BC in Canada last week. The customs form going to Canada asks if you specifically have live bees with you. The customs form for the US on my return asks the same thing. These forms obviously are asking this question so that if you answer affirmative, they will confiscate the bees from you. What a waste of manpower, paper and time! I thought that NAFTA was supposed to get us over this trash. As for Mexican bees, I'm not worried and I have much more at risk than anyone in Canada. The flood of "killer bees" just hasn't caused the great problems that everyone was so afraid of. I've traveled all over Central and South America. I've never been warned of "killer bees" upon entering one of these countries. I've never heard of a "killer bee" massacre in one of these countries. Of course, people die from bee stings. Some people are allergic to bee stings and they will die after being stung. Some of these people may intrude upon a hive, get stung, die and cause an uproar about "killer bees". I think we, as beekeepers, need to temper these problems. People who know I keep bees ask me about the "killer bees" and I say I welcome them. While they may be a little more aggressive, they also introduce a new gene pool that may actually strengthen beekeeping as we know it. I also stress that the hype is just that. "Killer bees" are here. They are not causing massacres of people. It's time to spread facts, not hype. For some reason the they spread of these bees has stopped, whether it be cold climate or varroa that has stopped them. I don't think that we should be worried to the extent the tabloid press would scare us. I've heard of Cyprian and African bees being imported to the US in the late 1800s and early 1900s. They were just mean bees and didn't cause any hype then. Don't be overly scared of "killer bees". The facts just don't support the hype. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:09:18 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Beeworks Subject: Re: Queen killed by Field Bee force MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Theodore V. Fischer wrote David Eyre wrote: > Classic! Obviously the swarm queen wasn't up to snuff, so the bees were in > the process of superscedure, as you must have had two queens in that hive. > Question? Which one did you pinch? > When a queen is not working properly it is vital that the hive is > watched carefully to establish the problem before jumping in to requeen. > Often a superscedure queen is better than a bought queen, as all the hives > effort is going into just one cell. David is absolutely correct. Bees will never accept an interloper when they're in the process of raising their own replacement. Don't blame the queen supplier for a perfectly natural phenomenum. I find that supercedure occurs not only after swarming (very common then), but also after new packages are hived and off to a seemingly good start. I have several times made plans to requeen such package colonies, but when the purchased queen arrives I find that there is a wonderful queen in place already! Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan, USA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:17:21 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Kriston M. Bruland" Subject: Need bee boom/lift plans or source Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Everyone, I'm looking for plans or a supplier for a bee boom or lift which would go on a flat bed or large pickup for lifting hives in and out. I'd prefer one that is removable since the truck is used for other purposes too. Thanks in advance for any info you can provide. Kris Bruland Member of Mt. Baker Beekeepers Association Bellingham, WA U.S.A. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:35:02 -0700 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Brewers' Yeast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT It's feeding time again, and I'm wondering about brewers' Yeast. I notice that it is recommended in some formulae and not in others. When I went to purchase, I find that there is a variety of price on the market, and a variety of colour. I wonder if anyone on the list has had any experience with different kinds of brewers'yeasts and if any are actually harmful (say the ones that are dried at high temoperatures). And while I am asking, has anyone actually experimented to see if Mann Lake's BeePro is any better than soy flour with or without brewers' yeast? I dutifully read the section in the Hive and the Honeybee, and all I could really conclude is that bees will eat just about anything and that any given formula will work sometimes and apparently not others. Has anyone some real answers on this? TIA Allen Dick VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 dicka@cuug.ab.ca & allend@internode.net http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:00:37 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Nuc produces Queen Cells Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bee-listers : I am taking some bees out of a wall with the bait hive and metal screen funnel technique. The bait hive is a 3 frame Nuc with laying queen. It has been a week and a half since I started and the single brood chamber is wall to wall bees with the new hivekeepers. I examined the hive today and noted 3 queen cells in the middle of the brood pattern. I have learned that these are superceedure cells. Swarm cells are at the bottom of the frames. I had a decision to make - Remove the queen cells or kill the old queen and leave one queen cell to hatch. I chose to remove the queen cells and keep the old queen laying. I also added a super to give the hive more room. My question is.... should I have killed the old queen and let the bees raise a new queen, hoping they woudl not swarm due to cramped quarters from the transitioning bees. BTW I have been keeping bees for 25 years and still have questions. :) Paul Cronshaw DC Cyberchiro and Hobby beekeeper Santa Barbara, CA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:19:48 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Alden P. Marshall" Subject: Re: Herpes zoster, shingles - Apitherapy? On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:32:26 -0600 Ed Levi writes: >Alden Marshall wrote: > >>Propolis cream. Make a mixture of about 40% Beeswax to about 60% >olive >>oil. Mix over heat, put a few drops on cool surface and check >>consistency. Add wax or oil which ever way you want to go. Take some >of >>this nice hard propolis or some others can be hardened in the >freezer, I >>prefer the former. Grind in coffee grinder to a real fine powder and >mix >>in the cream. you decide the ratio. I prefer a 20 -40% powder myself. >>Once you have the cream made you can thin it with oil without >reheating. >>This stuff does wonders for lots of things. >> Regards, >>Alden Marshall > >Alden, > >1) What things does this work on? >2) Wouldn't the propolis in the mixture stain the skin? >3) Wouldn't the propolis gum up a coffee grinder? How do you clean it >afterwards? > >Thanks, Ed > Hi Ed, My apologies for such a delay in responding to your inquiry. I can name only a few things I have used it on personally. a] In conjunction with bee stings on a biopsy diagnosed basil carcinoma [ which incidently is gone ]. b] Poison Ivy rash, e xpect it might work as well on other irritant rashes. c] I have supplied an friend who claims dramatic relief from a dermal ulcer. d] Skin abrasions and cuts. My experience does not show skin staining. Even if it did who would care if it solved the problem? The propolis I grind comes out just like a talcum powder, I suppose soft propolis could be a problem. I happen to have a dedicated grinder. I think it was picked up at Good Will for a couple of $. If you haven't tried this stuff yet I don't think it could do much harm. I think I would suggest a small dab to check for allergic reaction. Regards, Alden Marshall B-Line Apiaries Hudson, NH 03051 Busybee9@Juno.com tel. 603-883-6764 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:30:11 -0800 Reply-To: mwr@hotcity.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Reddell Subject: Re: Old combs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sid Pullinger wrote: > > <<<< stored in a place where the moisture content is a bit too high and they > end up moldy. There's no reason for me to expect disease in this case, > since they didn't come from dying colonies. The bees clean them up just > fine.>>>>> > Will the writer of the above please read my letter again. I made no > reference to stored combs, an entirely different situation. My letter > concerned the re-use of old mouldy combs, in store for a year, and from a > colony which died out, cause unknown. The cause might have been varroa, in > which case no danger in re-use, but it could have been a contagious disease: > the beekeeper did not know the reason for the colony's collapse. Starting a > new colony with such combs, almost certainly containing nosema and chalk > brood spores if nothing worse, is not my idea of good beekeeping and in my > view is asking for trouble. Incidentally,far more work for the bees than > drawing out new foundation. Sid P. No argument from me when there is reason to suspect AFB. I haven't seen much nosema or chalkbrood since I moved from Seattle to central California 7 years ago, so I'll defer to others on that. I just got the strong impression from your writing that you discourage using moldy comb at all. It appears that I missed your qualifier. I no longer have the note for reference. There are lots of new beekeepers on this list and I was afraid some might toss out perfectly good comb just because it has mold on it. I wanted to make the point that there are times when mold is not a big enough problem to warrant throwing out the comb. When you have no reason to suspect that disease was adversely affecting the bees from which you took the comb, and when the bees you are giving it to are strong and hardy, mold is not a problem. In fact the presence of mold is coincidental to disease problems. The absence of mold is no assurance that the comb is safe either. Each of the diseases has characteristic signs which new beekeepers should learn to recognize as early as possible. Michael Reddell mwr@hotcity.com http://www.hotcity.com/~mwr ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:26:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ivan McGill Subject: Re: Need bee boom/lift plans or source Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hi Everyone, > >I'm looking for plans or a supplier for a bee boom or lift which would go on a >flat bed or large pickup for lifting hives in and out. > >I'd prefer one that is removable since the truck is used for other purposes >too. > >Thanks in advance for any info you can provide. > >Kris Bruland >Member of Mt. Baker Beekeepers Association >Bellingham, WA U.S.A. Hi: Some years ago I got a plan for a boom loader for a pickup truck. It was from the University of California, Department of Agricultural Engineering, College of Agriculture, Davis, Calif. Called Plan No. C21-1 Bee Hive Loader for Pickup Truck. What I did was modified it for a Nissan flat deck pickup. Put the boom bracket in the middle of the deck on the back and bolted from the bumper to the deck. With my pickup I can take 12 to 16 hives to a yard. I also have the hoist modified with a small truck winch with the battery in a box just ahead for the boom bracket with wires to the hoist up the boom with this I have a hand held controller for the winch. With setup I have not needed stabilizers on the back of the deck, but if you feel safer use them. I have found that I did not need any help moving my bees when I wanted to move them. I also have a small cart built like a wheel barrel only with forks facing towards the back. The forks can then slide under the back of the hive but can be built to lift from the side. The tire is a ordinary wheel barrow wheel with air not hard rubber and can be used over fairly rough terrain. With these two pieces of equipment I need no help at all. The cart can be used to moved up to 4 supers with frames not full of honey just empty and can be used for numerous tasks. I got this idea from a local oldtime beekeeper. Ivan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:36:44 -0800 Reply-To: Claudiu@ix.netcom.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Claudiu A. Secara" Subject: Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Twelve years ago I had the opportunity to start up a small (10) beekeeping operations in upstate NY. Then, I had to close it. At that time, to start it up, I only had to call SEARS to have all supplies (hives & swarms) be delivered to my address. Now, I have another opportunity to continue my hobby but SEARS is no longer in the business of providing that kind of service. Any suggestions as to what kind of line of stores or businesses are specialized in such sort of services. I appreciate your help, Claudiu A. Secara ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:05:49 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ed Kear Subject: Re: Help Comments: To: Claudiu@ix.netcom.com Claudiu, Where are you now? There are several national suppliers, and there are several regional suppliers (at least one in upstate NY) Ed ebk@nyserda.org Galway (southern foothills of the Adirondacks), New York ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Help Author: Claudiu@ix.netcom.com at INTERNET Date: 2/27/97 12:51 PM Twelve years ago I had the opportunity to start up a small (10) beekeeping operations in upstate NY. Then, I had to close it. At that time, to start it up, I only had to call SEARS to have all supplies (hives & swarms) be delivered to my address. Now, I have another opportunity to continue my hobby but SEARS is no longer in the business of providing that kind of service. Any suggestions as to what kind of line of stores or businesses are specialized in such sort of services. I appreciate your help, Claudiu A. Secara ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:57:56 -0600 Reply-To: bbirkey@interaccess.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: www.Birkey.Com Subject: Re: Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Claudiu A. Secara wrote: > > Twelve years ago I had the opportunity to start up a small (10) > beekeeping operations in upstate NY. Then, I had to close it. At that > time, to start it up, I only had to call SEARS to have all supplies > (hives & swarms) be delivered to my address. > > Now, I have another opportunity to continue my hobby but SEARS is no > longer in the business of providing that kind of service. Any > suggestions as to what kind of line of stores or businesses are > specialized in such sort of services. > > I appreciate your help, > Claudiu A. Secara Claudiu - Glad to hear you're getting back into beekeeping. Beekeeping has changed alot in the last twelve years. I had the same problem you are having when I got back into beekeeping a few years ago after having been away from it for 15 or more years. I have a couple lists of suppliers for both bees and equipment at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/suplybe.html http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/besuply.html http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/wicwas.html I'm assuming you are in the USA. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA bbirkey@interaccess.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:14:57 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Eighty Six and Wide Open for a Freeze Florence, South Carolina broke the all-time temperature record for ANY date in February today at 86 degrees. Pears have been blooming for a week, and peaches are opening. Honey is pouring in, and strong hives are capping new honey. Anise hyssop, redbud, wild mustard and many other flowers are in full bloom. This is the earliest spring I have ever seen. Global warming? But I am starting to chew my fingernails. We could easily get a serious freeze, which would now severely damage all hardwood flower buds, and could wipe out fruit. Bees would be hurt bad. We must now pray for mild weather all through. I pulled off a little of this new honey, before it gets eaten or contaminated by later blossom. I wish I had a small hand extractor, because there won't be more than 30 or 40 pounds, and it's hard to clear the lines for that. But it is VERY nice tasting honey, so we'll probably pack it in little jars, as long as it holds out, assuming we can figure out a way to extract it. BTW, we would be interested in obtaining some cherry honey, which is one of the best honeys made, but is usually consumed by bees in build up. Anyone who is in a cherry orchard; I'd be glad to pay top dollar for a pail or two, and I can give you some tips on how to get some to save. Apple blossom is a little easier, as bloom is later and longer, but we'd love to get some of that too. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 (Dave & Jan's Pollination Service, Pot o'Gold Honey Co.) Pollination for lay people, students, teachers ....Of bees, beekeepers, and food http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm Pollination for the pros - those involved in doing it: Practical Pollination Home Page Dave & Janice Green http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Varietal Honeys and Gift Sets http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:34:39 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Murray Lewis Subject: wood rosin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone out there know where a person can purchase wood rosin to be used in a coating to protect woodenwear used in beekeeping?I am located in Manitoba. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:20:23 +0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Vladimir V. Obolonkin" Subject: Re: requining with quincells Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've red about this way of requining in russian (former - soviet) journal "Pchelovodstvo" ("Beekeeping"). It's still published. Author (comershial beekeeper, 100+ hives) said: It's simple, close to nature and low expensive way. He used it to change quins in age of 2 years. Hi used 1 quin-cell in age of 2 days before quin apiarence. Without any cage the cell was putted between frames in upper super. 2 days after author checked the cell. If it was punktually open from one end he decided that requinning has taken place (author said - 70%+). If the cell has been nibbled by bees (from one side) he repeat the attempt. Second attempt was sucsessfull in app.15-20% In other cases author presupposes that bees had preffered old quins. Of course, laing must be checked later! Vladimir Obolonkin Minsk,Belarus today: sunny, -2 C in night, +5 at 10:00, no wind I dom't know what bees do - haven't seen them a week Sorry for English ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:45:49 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Stan Sandler Subject: Re: Brewers' Yeast Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Allen Dick wrote: >It's feeding time again, and I'm wondering about brewers' Yeast.... I am replying not because I think I know much about brewer's yeast, but because I think the subject of pollen substitute ingredients is a very important one and I don't want to see this thread die (no one has commented for over a day, a poor sign). Somewhere I think I must have read that the most important ingredient in pollen substitute is the brewers yeast, because that idea is fixed firmly in my head. I use the cheapest dark brewers yeast with good acceptance. I have never tried the nutritional or torula types. As the yeast is a source of b(ee) vitamins it is probably better not to have yeast that is overheated, but I have never seen indications on the bags as to how hot it reached during drying. I have never tried Mann Lake stuff so I can't compare. >And while I am asking, has anyone actually experimented to see if Mann >Lake's BeePro is any better than soy flour with or without brewers' yeast? I would and have replaced some of the soy flour with wheat flour and milk powder and I rarely add lecithin any more, but I would not leave out the brewers yeast. I also tried rye flour once (straight up, they eaten everything else I had) and the bees seemed to like it, but that proves nothing because when they are short on pollen they have depraved appetites for any powder it seems (when fed outside dry; when fed as a "patty" on the top bars some of the hives are fussier). >I dutifully read the section in the Hive and the Honeybee, and all I could >really conclude is that bees will eat just about anything and that any >given formula will work sometimes and apparently not others. A lot of the studies quoted are on formulations that will support brood rearing for extended periods, but what you and I are most interested in (I believe) is just a boost and stimulant for early brood rearing. >Has anyone some real answers on this? Yes please someone add some *facts*! Regards, Stan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:02:52 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: STEVE PHILLIPS Subject: Pollen Substitute Is it possible to use soy meal, like you buy at the grain elevator to feed cows, in place of soy flour in a pollen substitute? I can only find soy flour at the local health food store, and they want $1.45 per pound, whereas I can buy soy meal at the elevator for around $8.00 for 50 pounds, quite a savings, assuming it can be used for feeding bees. As I understand it`the soy meal is what's left over after extracting the oil. It has been pressed and heated. The Hive and the Honeybee mentions feeding it, but not in detail. The individual particles in the soy meal seem too large for a bee, so it would have to be milled, somehow. Where do people purchase brewers yeast at a reasonable price? Again I can only find it at the health food store for $5.29 per pound. Is there somewhere it can be ordered in bulk? I've also seen mention that people add powdered milk to their pollen substitute. The Hive and the Honey Bee mentions that lactose might be toxic to bees. Any thoughts? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:40:20 -0800 Reply-To: Claudiu@ix.netcom.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Claudiu A. Secara" Subject: Thanks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Aaron, Thank you all for your very helpful messages. In fact, the new place where I'm planning the new hives is in Passaic County, NJ, around the Greenwood Lake area. I have already contacted several of the suppliers recommended. Thanks, Claudiu A. Secara ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:23:24 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MR MARK G SPAGNOLO Subject: Pollen subsitute Hi I am going to add my 2 cents worth on the subject of pollen substitute, brewer's yeast, soy flour and Bee-Pro. Here at Kona Queen we feed pollen subsitute on a massive scale. The last four months of the year are very dry and oftentimes pollen sources disappear. Since we are in permanent locations, we cannot move to the other side of the island and find a flow, so we use "pollen patties" to boost the colonies. Our experience has been that soy flour will turn hard. Like cement! Now this may be due to the humidity in our tropical climate, and you might not have this problem elsewhere. A strong colony will use the pollen pattie before it turns hard, but then we are not too interested in feeding the strong colony! Two years ago we bought a container load of Bee-Pro. We thought it would eliminate the need to import pollen and save us the time of mixing the ingredients. Unfortunately, it must contain soy flour, as it turned hard. I still have half a container load left! We now order brewer's yeast by the container load from California Spray Dry. We mix it with pollen, and sugar syrup and put it in wax paper bags. The "patty" weighs a pound and a half. This goes directly on top of the brood nest. Results are astounding. If you would like a more exact recipe, I can provide it. Mark at Kona Queen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:49:28 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Justin Spaulding III Subject: Re: Orchard Mason Bee Nesting Block In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just an opinion- But I would say that the treatment would have a negative effect on the bees even though honey is not stored long term. John Spaulding juggler@nesc.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:17:05 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Treated Lumber for Orchard Bee Nesting Blocks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I agree with John Spalding's assessment of building a nesting block for blue orchard mason bees in treated lumber. That is, don't do it! I have absolutely no scientific data for this OPINION other than a greenie aversion to treated lumber. And all a nesting block is, is a block of wood with the proper sized holes drilled it it for the mason bees. The nicer models come with straws close to the same size as the drilled holes to slip in prior to nest building and pull out afterwards for easy cleaning. If you're building your own nesting box, there's not more than an hour at a drill press involved, and untreated wood will last a few years at least, so I don't see the need for treated wood in this case. Yes, even this greenie can see a need for treated lumber in some applications. This just doesn't strike me as one of those applications. I'd use untreated lumber and rebuild it when rot sets in. Additionally, I wouldn't use treated lumber on any hive parts that contact my honey bees, so I'd extend the same courtesy to the mason bees. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:07:46 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Conrad Berube Subject: hive jack/boom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A recent inquiry about booms for hoisting hives made me remember a kind of jack that I saw advertized in a fairly old issue of a beekeeping magazine (probably ABJ). I've been meaning to try to build something similar to decrease strain on my back when removing supers to inspect brood chambers. As I remember the photo showed something like a hand-dolly. One placed the apparatus at a hive and the lowest super or hive body was secured to the lifting mechanisms (with some kind of adjustable strapping?) then the boxes could be jacked upward so that boxes beneath could be removed for inspection. Has anybody out there ever used anything like this? I imagine the things are no longer available commercially so if any one had favourable experiences are plans available? '\ /` ()() \/\ Conrad Berube ____ /`\ \\ ISLAND CROP MANAGEMENT / ; ; /` `\/'\\ _____________ 613 Hecate St. ` /` `' \`-===========/~~\ Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 4K4 \ \ -^\ /\____/^^^~> (250)754-2482; fax: (250)656-8922 |/ '\ '\~~~~~~~~ email: uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca '\ '\ website: http://vvv.com/~bwarner/ \__\__ `` `` ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:01:42 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Steve Duncan Organization: BoneDesign Subject: Mites on bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, We are looking for bees for an SEM segment in a film we are just finishing. We were originally using honey-bees with Varroa mites on them (the point of the shot was to show a relationship between one creature and another). For various technical reasons, and the fact that we found the destructive element of Varroa to deter from our point, we are not using these. This leaves us in quite a predicament, because we still have the same deadline and no specimens! We looked at Acarapis, but they were also not suitable. Can anyone suggest a species that we can use that would look similar to the honey bee, but have phoretic mites that were not destructive. They do not have to be native to Canada or the US. We do need to get a hold of samples (bees with mites attached) as soon as possible. We are happy to pay for the samples, or make a donation to a research fund or university if direct payment is awkward. You can contact me directly at the e-mail address below. Thanks very much. Steve. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Steve Duncan Mitey Cinema Imax Corporation 45 Charles Street East, 7th Fl. Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M4Y 1S2 416-960-4408, 416-920-6980 (fax), bone@interlog.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:20:39 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Hive Jack MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT There was a feature on the Helvey Hive Carrier in the Oct '96 American Bee Journal. Sounds very similar to the device Conrad described. Available from: Albert D. Helvey PO Box 1706 Lodi, California 95241 DISCLAIMER: Not an endorsement, I read the article, been considering a purchase, never used one. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:27:17 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Mites on bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Steve Duncan writes: > We are looking for bees for an SEM segment in a film we are just > finishing. We were originally using honey-bees with Varroa mites on > them (the point of the shot was to show a relationship between one > creature and another). For various technical reasons... > We do need to get a hold > of samples (bees with mites attached) as soon as possible.... There is another bee mite (the bee louse actually) that does no harm whatsoever to the bee. You may be able to use it, although I have no idea where you will find photos or specimens. The Latin name is Something braculla (or something like that) sorry, I'm in the office and my texts are home. Good luck! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:10:24 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Steven A. Creasy" Subject: Book: *A Beekeepers Year* I came across a very good book that I would like to recommend to everyone. *A BeeKeepers' Year*, By Sylvia A. Johnson, ISBN 0-316-46745-6 is an informative book geared toward younger folks (32 pages) that goes through a year in the bee yard and explains each step. There are loads of GREAT pictures (close-ups of bees, swarms, supering, extracting etc). This book would also be great for adults who know nothing about bees because it gives details of beekeeping practices in an easy-to-read form. It was a little above my 4 year old, but he loved the pictures! Steve Creasy- (\ Maryville, Tennessee USA {|||8- Proverbs 24:13,25:16 (/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:29:08 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Digest Jack Hamilton Subject: Caucasian Queen's From Australia or New Zealand I've been given the task of researching some info on Caucasian Queens. So far, I've looked them up in the Hive and the Honey Bee, and the ABC & XYZ of Bee Culture. ( Great Stuff ) I would be interested in hearing of any info sources on the web I am also looking for any Queen Breeders in Australia & New Zealand or Hawaii who can produce good Caucasian Queens. Please contact me direct Good Beekeeping ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:33:38 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Joel Govostes Subject: Re: Book: *A Beekeepers Year* In-Reply-To: <19970228.171406.18471.0.screasy@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recently found this book in the county library. I was really impressed, too! It is full of wonderful color photos, and is written very well. It is a great introductory overview of bee biology and apiculture, for anyone, really. The photos are very sharp, and they alone would serve well when giving beekeeping talks to small groups, such as grade school classes or gardening clubs. I came across a very good book that I would like to recommend to >everyone. *A BeeKeepers' Year*, By Sylvia A. Johnson, ISBN 0-316-46745-6 >is an informative book geared toward younger folks (32 pages) that goes >through a year in the bee yard and explains each step. There are loads >of GREAT pictures (close-ups of bees, swarms, supering, extracting etc). >This book would also be great for adults who know nothing about bees >because it gives details of beekeeping practices in an easy-to-read form. > It was a little above my 4 year old, but he loved the pictures! > >Steve Creasy- (\ >Maryville, Tennessee USA {|||8- >Proverbs 24:13,25:16 (/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:11:48 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MR MARK G SPAGNOLO Subject: Caucasian bees in Hawaii Hi: Nobody in Hawaii produces Caucasian queens or bees. Kona Queen produces Italian and Carniolan, everyone else produces Italians exclusively Mark at Kona Queen ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 09:29:25 +1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mauricio Montes Castillo Subject: Re: Mites on bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >... although I have no >idea where you will find photos or specimens. The Latin name is >Something braculla (or something like that) sorry, I'm ... Perhaps these little vampires are descendants of count Braula coeca. (just kidding) Seriously... The US Department of Agriculture Research Manual ARS-NE-87, has a couple of pictures of this wingless dipteran (wingles fly!!!) which is neither a mite nor a louse. Mauricio :) -- End --