From LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Mon Jun 30 09:09:43 1997 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:57:46 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8c)" To: Adam Finkelstein Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG9704E" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:11:51 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Alden P. Marshall" Subject: Re: Dealing with Laying Workers On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:56:29 -0500 "Excerpts from BEE-L" writes: >Reply-to: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU >From: Michael Reddell > >Laying workers are not any fun but there is a way to save the colony. >What you have to realize is that you are saving an aging work force >rather than a full functioning colony. If you do nothing they will >make >honey for a week or two and then die off. > >This could be a laying worker problem if the drone brood is not all >capped. If the colony is hopelessly queenless for a period of time, >some >workers can develop ovaries and start to lay. The symptoms are 1) no >queen 2) no brood except scattered drone brood in all stages of >development 3) LOTS of honey in the brood chamber and elsewhere 4) >possibly some poorly formed queen cells (with drone larvae in them!!) >5) >eggs layed at odd angles or two in a cell. There can be a substantial >amount of drone brood, but it's undersized, and peppered across the >frames >in a pathetic pattern. Not a pretty picture at all!! > >If this turns out to be a laying worker situation, DO NOT try to >introduce a queen. It never seems to work, no matter how careful you >are. >Apparently the colony thinks the laying workers are queens and will >not >accept your new queen. The only method I know of that works most of >the >time is this: > >Set the hive off to the side of its usual location and put another >hive >with at least 5 frames of brood in all stages and with a strong laying >queen in its place. > >Then shake and brush ALL the bees from the laying worker hive off the >frames onto the ground directly in front of the queenright hive. I >usually spray them lightly with a thin sugar syrup also. This >thoroughly disorients the laying workers and when they enter the >queenright hive they apparently forget their bad habits. > > >Michael Reddell >mwr@hotcity.com >http://www.hotcity.com/~mwr > This works for me _ _ _ _ _ _ Crowd all brood frames to one side of the super. Remove 2 most empty frames and make empty space on opposite wall of super frommost bees. Take a double sheet of newspaper, open, and fold it leingthwise so it's width fits snug leingthwise in the two frame cavity. Center it on the cavity and loop it down in cavity with hive tool taking precautions not to tare. From a queen right colony remove two frames of brood with queen and adhering workers and insert in newspaper envelope. Fold both ends out so they hang out over the side of the super. These flaps can be sliced off with hive tool after reassembling or left for easy marker to inspect next visit to bee yard. The queenless colony gets the two leftover frames and a new queen, queen cell or left to replace one on there own. Practice all standard introduction measures here. Regards Alden Marshall B-Line Apiaries Hudson, NH 03051 Busybee9@Juno.com tel. 603-883-6764 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:14:28 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Zardoz Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BFwd=3A_ATEN=C7virus Comments: cc: esquina-das-listas@dcc.unicamp.br Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 10:31 28-04-1997 GMT-3:00, Carlos A. 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Jorn Johanesson - apimo@post4.tele.dk - wrote : >For My Apimondia Project I need help!< >The French Language file is done by a Danish translator and need check.....< Hi, First, you can visit our Web site : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/APISERVICES and choose Apiservices. The site is in both languages : English and French. I am the webmaster (at the same address) for eleven companies or associations : Apimondia - Thomas (equipment) - Biove laboratory (Apivar) - Swarm (Apistan) - Abeilles & Fleurs (journal) - Revue Frangaise d'Apiculture (journal) - De Saint Jurs (communication) - Imkerei Technic (journal) - O.P.I.D.A. (journal) - E.D.A.P.I. (European Documentation for Apiculture) - E.A.A. (European Association for Apitherapy) and ... three times as many underway ! I am French. I am an international consultant for beekeeping (68 countries visited), beekeeper, journalist and I write a lot of software (with Visual FoxPro) for beekeepers, laboratories and different administrations. What can I do exactly for you ? (\ {|||8< (/ Gilles RATIA International consultant Head of APISERVICES "Le Terrier", F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE (Depuis la France) Telephone : 05.53.05.91.13 - Mobile : 06.07.68.49.39 - Fax : 05.53.05.44.57 (From International) Phone : +33 5.53.05.91.13 - Mobile : +33 6.07.68.49.39 - Fax : +33 5.53.05.44.57 Email = Apiservices@Compuserve.com WEB = http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/APISERVICES ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:34:43 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eric Abell Subject: Re: Adding Second hive body...above or below? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You would do well to obtain a book on beekeeping. I don't want to discourage your asking questions. There is no bad question. However, when you are starting you will not even know what questions to ask. Good luck with your new endeavor. Eric At 09:03 AM 28/04/97 -0500, you wrote: >I have the basic starter kit for bee keeping, one hive >body. I have ordered a second hive body and the suppers. > >Where does the second hive body go? Above or below the >current hive body? Or mix the frames? The bees have been >in the hive for three weeks. > >Do I always have to buy foundation for new frames...or >can let the bees make their own? > >Thanks for any advise. > >Dale Marmaduke >dmarmad@iupui.edu >Indianapolis, IN > > Eric Abell Gibbons, Alberta Canada T0A 1N0 Ph/fax (403) 998 3143 eabell@compusmart.ab.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:34:02 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Dealing with Laying Workers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a dream on laying workers is it possable to oppress ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:01:54 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: William G Lord Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii BEE-L NOMAIL -- William G Lord E-Mail : wglord@franklin Internet: wglord@franklin.ces.ncsu.edu Phone : 9194963344 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:25:03 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Beeworks Subject: Re: Bee Suits MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Strictly for those interested, we have added another page to our Web site. The new one is on Sherriff bee suits. Any comments would be appreciated!! Provided they are constructive!! ********************************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Drive Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, Canada. L3V 6H1 David Eyre, Owner. Phone/Fax 705 326 7171 Dealers for E.H.Thorne & B.J.Sherriff UK http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks ********************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:48:53 +0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: George_Willy Subject: Re: polish Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I am interested in a recipe for waterproof shoe polish. It requires 4 oz >beeswax, 4 oz resin, 1 pt linseed oil, 1/4 pt turpentine. Has anyone >any ideas for obtaining the resin. Being a Scot I am unwilling to pay >for this. Can you obtain the resin from pine trees and if so by what >method? I have tried to cut the bark of Scots pines but I think I would >be there till doomsday trying to get 4 ozs! > >Harry >Scotland. Harry: I am not sure but I think that I can help you. In Vermont there is a tree called balsum fir which grows everywhere. At this time of year there are blisters of sap just under the bark which I believe is rosen or maybe a diluted form of it. I know people harvest this liquid which is colorless and extreemly sticky to the touch by using large hypodermic needles. What we use for waterproofing boots is 1/3 part beeswax 1/3 part vegetable oil or rendered bears fat which is preferred and 1/3 part neats foot oil. Heated and stired till cool this will keep the water out and still lets the leather breath. George George & Lorraine Willy The Village Inn of East Burke Box 186 East Burke, Vermont 05832 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:54:21 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Basehore Subject: Re: Bee Removal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't know what is wrong but the feral bees are doing better then my bees which are given all the propper medication in a timely manner . I have observed several feral colonies for years at the post office and they continue to flurish year after year without any medication. Do they know somthing we dont? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:01:11 -0500 Reply-To: Jim & Sue Maus Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jim & Sue Maus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC54E0.77CD9320" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC54E0.77CD9320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Renew BEE-L ------=_NextPart_000_01BC54E0.77CD9320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Renew BEE-L ------=_NextPart_000_01BC54E0.77CD9320-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:21:40 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Greg Hankins Subject: 10-Day Old Package Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I installed two 3-lb packages in two Lang hive bodies Saturday a week ago. First inspection, on the following Thursday, found both queens released, though still hanging about in the queen cage. One (Queen of the B-Hive) exited the cage during my inspection, so I removed the cage. I replaced the other cage as I found it, with the queen (Queen of the A-Hive) still inside. Just watching the hive entrances, there seemed to be very little purposeful activity the first week -- just lots of milling about in front of the hive. But today (Tuesday, ten days out) there was serious-looking goings and comings (and full pollen baskets among the latter). Opening B-Hive I found comb being drawn on about six of the ten frames and pollen being placed in cells. I saw no eggs or larvae (though it was late afternoon, and my manual said eggs could be hard to see). Though not looking for her, I spotted the queen, who appeared to be walking around with no particular purpose in mind. In A-Hive I found no eggs or larvae. Pollen was in cells, as well as more nectar/syrup in cells than in B-Hive. I did not happen upon the A-Queen. I did find a couple of odd-shaped hood-like projections extending out from cells on one frame. Questions: Should a check this coming weekend reveal eggs or larvae? If not, what should I suspect/do? Those odd hodd-shaped things in A-Hive weren't some nascent queen cells that indicate the A-queen is no longer in evidence, are they? I'm attempting mightily to be non-paranoid about all this. I've read at least a dozen books (I'm obsessive that way). But it could be time for someone to say, "Don't worry, just check on things this weekend." Greg ____________________________________________________ Greg Hankins Mt. Gilead, NC ghankins@ac.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:55:34 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: SV: "H" Bee might be a "Drone fly" Jorn from denmark wrote: >By the way, do you know that a Drone is not a mail but is reel a none, >genetic duplicating exact the Queen it comes from, and can bee seen as >a flying sperm :-) Careful there Jorn.....you have suggested another way to look at us male members of BEE-L ... :-) Al Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"--An Educational Program Check Out " The Amazing BeeCam " At: http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:07:41 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: Bee Removal On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:54:21 -0500 Paul Basehore writes: >I don't know what is wrong but the feral bees are doing better then my >bees >which are given all the propper medication in a timely manner . I have >observed several feral colonies for years at the post office and they >continue to flurish year after year without any medication. Do they >know something we dont? They (the ferals) don't have beekeepers tearing up their home now and then, rearranging their rooms, and stealing their stores! :-) Al, Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"--An Educational Program Check Out " The Amazing BeeCam " At: http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:43:26 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert Barnett Organization: DNA Subject: Re: 10-Day Old Package Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Hankins wrote: > > I installed two 3-lb packages in two Lang hive bodies Saturday a week ago. > First inspection, on the following Thursday, found both queens released, > though still hanging about in the queen cage. One (Queen of the B-Hive) > exited the cage during my inspection, so I removed the cage. I replaced the > other cage as I found it, with the queen (Queen of the A-Hive) still inside. > > Just watching the hive entrances, there seemed to be very little purposeful > activity the first week -- just lots of milling about in front of the hive. > But today (Tuesday, ten days out) there was serious-looking goings and > comings (and full pollen baskets among the latter). > > Opening B-Hive I found comb being drawn on about six of the ten frames and > pollen being placed in cells. I saw no eggs or larvae (though it was late > afternoon, and my manual said eggs could be hard to see). Though not > looking for her, I spotted the queen, who appeared to be walking around > with no particular purpose in mind. > > In A-Hive I found no eggs or larvae. Pollen was in cells, as well as more > nectar/syrup in cells than in B-Hive. I did not happen upon the A-Queen. I > did find a couple of odd-shaped hood-like projections extending out from > cells on one frame. > > Questions: > > Should a check this coming weekend reveal eggs or larvae? If not, what > should I suspect/do? These queens were released on day 5 +,- (by your observation; in this five days the queens are being "pumped up" to laying capacity by the colony, and they are also drawing coomb, beginning to collect pollen and nectar, and organizing the frame best for brood rearing...they know how to do that! I shall assume that by the 7th day eggs are being laid, though at onset they may not be as numerous as they soon will be. Now! Eggs, for me, are easier to see in new coomb (light yellow) than in dark, and are best seen in the sunshine that falls right down the cell axis, coming over my shoulder, and they are right in the bottom of the cell, standing on end. When they are 72 hours of age (Tuesday here, they start to hatch, in which event they just melt down into a gentle c, and lie in a thin glistening (in the sunshine)pool of royal jelly. You might miss this on Tuesday, the 10th day. Wait til this weekend when the larvae will be much larger, white, fresh, and clean, and fill the bottom of the cell. Shortly thereafter you should see some capped brood. > > Those odd hood-shaped things in A-Hive weren't some nascent queencells > that indicate the A-queen is no longer in evidence, are they? This is possible, but remember, bees sometimes prepare queen cells for a queen to lay in, which one may call "play" cells, and a new young queen ignores them. They may remain on the coomb for quite long periods. Bees who have lost a queen do make such cells however, and the possibility exists that the queen was "balled" subsequent to your early look into the hive. (I make it a practice not to enter the colony until about 12-14 days, altho I have never seen but one queen "balled", and this was a virgin queen hatched 4 days earlier (I saw her hatch). I picked her up and put her on a different frame, where the bees caused her no trouble. I would ignore the hooded "Q. Cells",if that is what they are, expecting by 12-14- days to find larvae and a laying A-queen. At that time, if no queen, eggs or larvae are found, you may have trouble here. Perhaps, I've been a bit long in this answer, but my hope is that you will rest more comfortably for a few more days until a decision can be made. Write and ask another question if you wish! And good luck! > > I'm attempting mightily to be non-paranoid about all this.I've read at > least a dozen books (I'm obsessive that way). But it could be time for > someone to say, "Don't worry, just check on things this weekend." What I said is not before "Sunday", and that my bet is that everything is O.K. Keep on reading! Bob Barnett, Birmingham, Ala > Greg > > ____________________________________________________ > Greg Hankins Mt. Gilead, NC > ghankins@ac.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:56:40 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Judy Spradley Subject: BEES-cleaning old plastic foundation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I "inherited" lots of used bee equipment. The old frames I have burned. But mixed in amongst them were a few plastic foundations/frames. Can I clean this up sufficiently to use them? How? Judy, A Displaced Texan in PA IRON ACRES: Where the water is red & the grass is green! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:45:22 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "MR WILLIAM L HUGHES JR." Subject: Plastic supers Garry, I only use Kelley's plastic outter covers and a few of the plastic bottom boards and I like them. But I have to disagree with you on the plastic inner cover. I have only had bad luck with them. They seem to wrap badly. Bill Hughes Bent Holly Honey Farm Brighton, TN USA <> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:11:49 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Lauren Hale Subject: Re: Spread of AHB In-Reply-To: <970423221745_-1969519771@emout06.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How far north have the Africanized Bees traveled? Just curious. Thanks, Lauren ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:16:02 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Basehore Subject: Re: 10-Day Old Package Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:21 PM 4/29/97 +0100, you wrote: >I installed two 3-lb packages in two Lang hive bodies Saturday a week ago. >First inspection, on the following Thursday, found both queens released, >though still hanging about in the queen cage. One (Queen of the B-Hive) >exited the cage during my inspection, so I removed the cage. I replaced the >other cage as I found it, with the queen (Queen of the A-Hive) still inside. > >Just watching the hive entrances, there seemed to be very little purposeful >activity the first week -- just lots of milling about in front of the hive. >But today (Tuesday, ten days out) there was serious-looking goings and >comings (and full pollen baskets among the latter). > >Opening B-Hive I found comb being drawn on about six of the ten frames and >pollen being placed in cells. I saw no eggs or larvae (though it was late >afternoon, and my manual said eggs could be hard to see). Though not >looking for her, I spotted the queen, who appeared to be walking around >with no particular purpose in mind. > >In A-Hive I found no eggs or larvae. Pollen was in cells, as well as more >nectar/syrup in cells than in B-Hive. I did not happen upon the A-Queen. I >did find a couple of odd-shaped hood-like projections extending out from >cells on one frame. > >Questions: > >Should a check this coming weekend reveal eggs or larvae? If not, what >should I suspect/do? > >Those odd hodd-shaped things in A-Hive weren't some nascent queen cells >that indicate the A-queen is no longer in evidence, are they? > >I'm attempting mightily to be non-paranoid about all this. I've read at >least a dozen books (I'm obsessive that way). But it could be time for >someone to say, "Don't worry, just check on things this weekend." > >Greg > >____________________________________________________ >Greg Hankins Mt. Gilead, NC >ghankins@ac.net > Sounds like you have qeen cells developing. If the queen is still in the hive they will make a new queen. If the queen is not in the hive you will have to replace her. If you don't find her in a few days get another one to put in the hive. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:06:16 +0000 Reply-To: Janko.Bozic@UNI-LJ.SI Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Janko Bozic Subject: Beekeeping in Slovenia Homepage MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear Bee-Liners, I prepared some new www pages related to my work and other beekeeping activities in Slovenia. You are welcome to visit. http://www.uni-lj.si/~bfjanko/index.html With regards, Janko ==================================================================== Dr. Janko Bozic University of Ljubljana Biotechnical Faculty, Department of Biology Vecna pot 111, p.p. 2995 1001 Ljubljana SLOVENIA tel. (386) 61-265-584, (386) 61-265-585 fax. (386) 61-273-390 e-mail: janko.bozic@uni-lj.si http://www.uni-lj.si/~bfjanko/index.html ==================================================================== SLOVENIA - Homeland of Carniolan Bee ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:27:12 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Drutchas Organization: Bee Haven Honey Subject: [Fwd: love bugs] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <3366F1D7.791B@together.net> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:16:39 +0000 From: Richard Drutchas Organization: Bee Haven Honey X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: love bugs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was in Florida a few weeks back picking up bees and had the good fortune of chating with Bill Sherman a retired beekeeper of 40 years.In talking about the Palmetto flow that was just beginning Bill said that they often didnt get Palmetto because of the love bug. Apparently if the love bugs are on the blossoms the bees stay off. Traveling back north I started thinking about this comment and it struck me that if these love bugs repelled the bees by anything other then just being there first, like a smell for instance perhaps a bee repellent could be duplicated. Anybody out there familiar with these so called love bugs. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:30:34 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Trevor Weatherhead Subject: Re: Cleaning old palstic foundation Judy Spradley asks about cleaning old plastic frames. I assume they are drawn and the comb is now black. If so, put the frame in the freezer and leave for an hour or so. Take out and twist and the wax should pop off. It is back to the foundation and the bees can re-build. The wax can be recovered by putting the popped off comb in a solar melter. Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:54:09 -0400 Reply-To: dronebee@pilot.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dr. Pedro Rodriguez" Organization: InfiNet Subject: Power Faioure = loss of internet data MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friends and colleagues: I wish to inform all of you who have written to me recently requesting information on my findings about the Varroa mites treatment: I lost all my most recent e-amil addresses due to a power failure. Those of you to whom I have not answered, PLEASE write again so that I may have your e-mail address! I promise to write to each and everyone as I have done in the past. My most sincere apologies for the delay. Regards. Dr. Rodriguez ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:41:20 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: adony melathopoulos Subject: BEE TV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There was another episode of the X-Files that had bees in its main story line. It appears that Canada is shipping packages of bees to the US with stingers able to innoculate the populace with small pox. You see, human cloned zombies (a sample of these creatures are currently running for office in our federal election) and are producing these packages off bees living off ginseng pollen and nectar, and some nasty conspiring folks who meet in dark smokey rooms are shipping them to the US through the postal service to infect the public with small pox. Now, my guess is that the small pox is only a carrier of something more dark and sinister - maybe the small pox carries the tiny eggs of aliens that will hatch out and turn everyone into aliens at the 'chosen' time. Needless to say I called the cable company and disconected my cable service shortly thereafter. Anyways, the take home message is Canada is a much mightier nation than the US apparently as the US can only muster AHB while Canada has alien-vectoring super small pox bees (and we still have the border open too - ha) :) Cheers Adony *********************************** ** Adony P. Melathopoulos ********* *** Center for Pest Management **** **** Simon Fraser University ****** ***** Burnaby, British Columbia *** ****** Canada, V5A-1S6 ************ *********************************** Tel : (604) 291-4163 Fax : (604) 291-3496 e-mail : melathop@sfu.ca "The pursuit of agriculture promotes the strength of the mind as well as the body" - Rev. John L. Blake, 1853 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:48:18 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Bees on the X-Files MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > There was another episode of the X-Files that had bees in its main > story line. It appears that Canada is shipping packages of bees to > the US... In the episode the bees were shipped from Canada to one of the Carolinas. Made me wonder is Allen Dick and Dave Green were somehow involved ;) The episode did a great injustice to bees casting them in a much more sinister role than the previous episode where the bees took on a higher intelligence. The part where the bees attacked the elementary school playground was especially poor. Aaron Morris - thinking bees don't get no respect! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:10:23 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jim Moore Subject: Queen cells with eggs I inspected my strongest hive last Saturday 4/26/97 and found eggs in the queen cells along the bottom of the second deep. I use a slatted rack. This hive was requeened last fall. What are recommended courses of action. I have a four frame and a five frame nuc available. I have ordered a queen, I'm not sure when it will arrive. I have no extra drawn deep comb. My choices seem to be: - make a couple of nucs to reduce the population - let things alone and see what happens - do a split with a new queen - do a split without a queen - put on a third deep and checkerboard the with new foundation and the comb from the two deeps. - ? What should be the timing for any of these and what should I be loooking for? I'm not trying to maximize my honey production as much as I'm trying to learn as much as I can. Jim Moore Massachusetts Second Year of Beekeeping 4 hives (3 std, 1 tbh from package 4/17/97) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:00:21 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Wout Subject: Re: Spread of AHB Lauren Hale wrote: >>How far north have the Africanized Bees traveled? Just curious.<< I live just south of Dallas and we haven't had any here yet that I know of. The most aggressive bees I have seen in this area came from Alabama in packages. I have heard that they are in South Texas but there are no reports of swarms of bees chasing people down and killing them like the press would report if they could. The fact is that they just aren't that bad. Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. Just like rattlesnakes, copperheads, brown recluses, black widows and yellowjackets. Ted Wout Red Oak, TX ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:16:20 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert E Neely Subject: Re: 10-Day Old Package Questions Greg: Are you feeding sugar syrup? If not, continue feeding until you have at least two frames of capped honey in brood. It is a must to have that much in reserve. As far as your queen is conserned, she may or may not still be with you. It is sometimes hard to see her. By the workers still bringing in pollen, it is a good sign that she is still with you. Good luck, Bob Neely Goose Creek, SC neely-bee@juno.com On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:21:40 +0100 Greg Hankins writes: >I installed two 3-lb packages in two Lang hive bodies Saturday a week >ago. >First inspection, on the following Thursday, found both queens >released, >though still hanging about in the queen cage. One (Queen of the >B-Hive) >exited the cage during my inspection, so I removed the cage. I >replaced the >other cage as I found it, with the queen (Queen of the A-Hive) still >inside. > >Just watching the hive entrances, there seemed to be very little >purposeful >activity the first week -- just lots of milling about in front of the >hive. >But today (Tuesday, ten days out) there was serious-looking goings and >comings (and full pollen baskets among the latter). > >Opening B-Hive I found comb being drawn on about six of the ten frames >and >pollen being placed in cells. I saw no eggs or larvae (though it was >late >afternoon, and my manual said eggs could be hard to see). Though not >looking for her, I spotted the queen, who appeared to be walking >around >with no particular purpose in mind. > >In A-Hive I found no eggs or larvae. Pollen was in cells, as well as >more >nectar/syrup in cells than in B-Hive. I did not happen upon the >A-Queen. I >did find a couple of odd-shaped hood-like projections extending out >from >cells on one frame. > >Questions: > >Should a check this coming weekend reveal eggs or larvae? If not, what >should I suspect/do? > >Those odd hodd-shaped things in A-Hive weren't some nascent queen >cells >that indicate the A-queen is no longer in evidence, are they? > >I'm attempting mightily to be non-paranoid about all this. I've read >at >least a dozen books (I'm obsessive that way). But it could be time for >someone to say, "Don't worry, just check on things this weekend." > >Greg > >____________________________________________________ >Greg Hankins Mt. Gilead, NC >ghankins@ac.net > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:32:03 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: bee removal-TODAY-HELP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ I have received this message. Can anyone help? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- Yesterday I discovered a bee hive outside of my house in a tree about 15' up containing about 1000 bees, give or take 200 ( hard to contact those little fellows ). I realize their harmless until bothered. Considering that this is a residential area and there are kids out there playing, I'd like to have it removed. I know there are removers out there. I figured by contacting a keeper I could bypass the remover since they'll turn around and sell it to a keeper after they charged me to remove it. Not a bad business, Ha !! I'm not charging for it, I just want it gone. If you know of any bee keepers in the San Jose, California area, would you please contact me or put them in contact with me. Thank you.. -Romer Maiel rmaiel@hooked.net (408) 232-1789 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:27:24 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Spread of AHB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Herbs very excellent web page ( http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ ) there is a letter from state bee inspector Tony Jadczak that reads: "Maine received its first confirmed shipment of Africanized bees by way of a crate of electrical equipment manufactured in Brazil. They had Varroa but no tracheal mites!". So how far north has AFB made it? Maine! The question should more probably ask, "How far north have AFBs become established?", in which case the answer about they have yet to reach Dallas is most likely correct. Unless you want to believe the writers for the X-Files ;) Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:08:42 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Beeworks Subject: Re: Queen cells with eggs In-Reply-To: <9704301410.AA17199@us8rmc.bb.dec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 30 Apr 97 at 10:10, Jim Moore wrote: Queen cells with eggs > What are recommended courses of action. I have a four frame > and a five frame nuc available. I have ordered a queen, I'm not sure when > it will arrive. I have no extra drawn deep comb. > > My choices seem to be: > 1 - make a couple of nucs to reduce the population > 2 - let things alone and see what happens > 3 - do a split with a new queen > 4 - do a split without a queen > 5 - put on a third deep and checkerboard the with > new foundation and the comb from the two deeps. It all depends on what you as the keeper wants. It involves a series of questions. Do I need a new queen? New last year, then no! Do I want increase? No, then use item 5, with a cut out of cells. Do I want increase? Yes, then use 3 or 4 but take a goodly amount of brood away. Do I want the hive to swarm? Yes, then use 2. Just be sure of one thing, without interference from the keeper, or a sudden break in the weather, or nectar flow, then they're gone. As to timing, a.s.a.p, otherwise the swarming impulse will be too fixed and irreversible. ********************************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Drive Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, Canada. L3V 6H1 David Eyre, Owner. Phone/Fax 705 326 7171 Dealers for E.H.Thorne & B.J.Sherriff UK http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks ********************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:44:37 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: William G Lord Subject: NO MAIL FUNCTION Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii WOULD SOMEONE BE SO KIND AS TO INFORM ME OF THE PROPER LANGUAGE TO SUE TO SET UP THE NO MAIL FUNCTION FOR BEE-L NOW THAT I AM SUBSCRIBED TO BEST OF BEE-L? THANKS BILL LORD -- William G Lord E-Mail : wglord@franklin Internet: wglord@franklin.ces.ncsu.edu Phone : 9194963344 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:04:31 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Re: Bees on the X-Files In-Reply-To: <970430.094904.EDT.SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > There was another episode of the X-Files that had bees in its main > > story line. It appears that Canada is shipping packages of bees to > > the US... > > In the episode the bees were shipped from Canada to one of the > Carolinas. Made me wonder is Allen Dick and Dave Green were somehow > involved ;) No comment! (Right Dave)? Allen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:04:31 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Re: NO MAIL FUNCTION In-Reply-To: <9704301644.ZM11936@franklin.ces.state.nc.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > WOULD SOMEONE BE SO KIND AS TO INFORM ME OF THE PROPER LANGUAGE TO SUE TO SET > UP THE NO MAIL FUNCTION FOR BEE-L NOW THAT I AM SUBSCRIBED TO BEST OF BEE-L? Hi Bill The problem is that you have to send the command to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU, not BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Then just say SET BEE-L NOMAIL Allen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:23:54 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "luichart.woollens@virgin.net" Organization: Luichart Woollens Subject: Re: polish MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George_Willy wrote: > > >I am interested in a recipe for waterproof shoe polish. It requires 4 oz > >beeswax, 4 oz resin, 1 pt linseed oil, 1/4 pt turpentine. Has anyone > >any ideas for obtaining the resin. Being a Scot I am unwilling to pay > >for this. Can you obtain the resin from pine trees and if so by what > >method? I have tried to cut the bark of Scots pines but I think I would > >be there till doomsday trying to get 4 ozs! > > > >Harry > >Scotland. > Harry: > I am not sure but I think that I can help you. In Vermont there is > a tree called balsum fir which grows everywhere. At this time of year > there are blisters of sap just under the bark which I believe is rosen or > maybe a diluted form of it. I know people harvest this liquid which is > colorless and extreemly sticky to the touch by using large hypodermic > needles. > What we use for waterproofing boots is 1/3 part beeswax 1/3 part > vegetable oil or rendered bears fat which is preferred and 1/3 part neats > foot oil. Heated and stired till cool this will keep the water out and > still lets the leather breath. > George > > George & Lorraine Willy > The Village Inn of East Burke > Box 186 > East Burke, Vermont > 05832 George, Thanks for the recipe. I may have had trouble with the resin but the bears' fat is going to be next to impossible! I have an old dog here that is getting on my nerves. Do you think if I boiled that up it might do? We don't have any balsum fir near here but I think that most pine and fir trees produce this resin when they are damaged. I originally made my cut in the bark with a knife but perhaps a deeper vertical chain saw cut might be better. Harry, Scotland ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:05:46 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: bartlett Subject: Re: Bees on the X-Files Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Dick, I guess alot of people caught the X-files. I've been keeping bees for 24 years and there has always been this fear and facination with bees. Just as people have fear and facination with so many other things such as high places and snakes. I do now believe that we can do the best we can to alleviate these fears and forget the rest. It is hard to figuire sometimes why people feel the way they do. As long as people feel the way they do there will be people and the media doing what they do. I still lean towards the facination side!!! billy bee ---------- > From: Allen Dick > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: Bees on the X-Files > Date: 30 avr. 1997 17:04 > > > > There was another episode of the X-Files that had bees in its main > > > story line. It appears that Canada is shipping packages of bees to > > > the US... > > > > In the episode the bees were shipped from Canada to one of the > > Carolinas. Made me wonder is Allen Dick and Dave Green were somehow > > involved ;) > > No comment! (Right Dave)? > > Allen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:33:45 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John M Thorp Subject: Re: Plastic supers Are you the Bill Hughes that used to live in Miami? Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:33:45 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John M Thorp Subject: Re: BEES-cleaning old plastic foundation Hi Tex,You could've even saved the wood if you have access to someone that dips their wood goods is boiling parafin. The plastic,I don't know. Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:52:34 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Gary Ford Contributions Many of you are not going to like what I have to say and I really don't care what you think, but the more I think about it, the stronger my feelings about what a >cheap mean bunch< many of you are. A few over 700 List Members at the time of this event! I am recalling the story of Gary Ford and his $20,000 loss. A young man trying to start out in commercial beekeeping who had his hives destroyed by some idiots driving a four wheel drive and who then tossed diesel fuel over what was left. Let me just state some facts to justify my opinion! Dave Green reported a little while back that the cash contributions amounted to $235.00.(See Below). I gave $5.00. I recently met a fellow beekeeper in my travels who donated $50.00. I know of about four other members of this List who gave $5.00. So do your math! That totals 6 people who gave a total of $75.00. Subtract that from $235.00 and you get $160.00. Assuming that the balance of contributions were no more than $5.00....that would mean $160 divided by $5.00 equals 32 other folks who contributed out of over 700 of you. A cheap bunch in my opinion! I hope that I am never drowning and some of you are standing on the shore. I might just as well swallow sea water and get it over with before I wasted my breath hollering for help from many of you! Even if each of you contributed $5.00 I wouldn't consider some $3500 a money making scheme when you consider Gary is out $20,000 ! Some of my $5.00 was spent by Gary's wife to send me a personal note of thanks! Think about it !!!! You are enjoying some WORLD CLASS FREE ADVICE on this List and you can't even contribute the equal of a couple of jars of honey to try and help out a fellow beekeeper.... a young man with a family trying his best to make it ! Do you get that I am damn Peed Off. YOU ARE CORRECT! I hope that those of you who didn't contribute never experience the disaster that hit Gary. So much for your feelings for your fellow man or woman beekeeper! One member of this List (who shall remain anonymous) thinks that most of you are "Grumpy Old Men". He is being kind! I have said my peace and I can take the heat if you have the guts to throw it my way! ---------------- Qoute of Dave Green's Message Below----------------------------------- Gary and I want to thank each of you who helped to encourage Gary by your generous gifts. About 235 dollars was received and some bees and brood were also given, so he has gotten close to $400 in aid. All your snail mail notes and copies of the e-mail comments were also turned over to him. He will be in contact with many of you, as soon as he can, though some gave anonymously, so he cannot. Gary was much encouraged by your evidence that there are a lot of caring people in the world yet. He is back in New York right now, preparing an old truck which he will bring to get the bees he still has. I am glad he's not going to try to truck bees in the old school bus. There is no way to get adequate ventilation. I looked at some of his nucs yesterday, and they are doing very well. He hopes to split again, and I think he'll be using the contributions for queens. He should have enough brood to make some more hives up. Frankly, I am surprised (pleasantly) to see how well these nucs are drawing foundation. He could even have a little honey to harvest before he leaves South Carolina. I had delayed this note, in hopes that I would have some good news on the police investigation, but I have been unable to get any information, so that item will have to wait. Thank you again, good folks! Dave Green -------------------------End Of Quoted Message------------------------------------------------------ By the way....Terry Ford said in her note of thanks to me that they are using the money to buy nucs. Al, Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"--An Educational Program Check Out " The Amazing BeeCam " At: http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:55:22 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Chapin Subject: Re: Power Faioure = loss of internet data MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Dr. Rodriguez, Have to confess that I had not written to you, but meant to. Please add me to your list; am very interested in your findings. By the way, I lost all my stored up e-mail also -- just last week. I am a hobby beekeeper, retired Anglican priest & public school teacher. Are you going to be at EAS this summer? Hope so. Richard Chapin+ Excerpts from BEE-L wrote: > > Reply-to: dronebee@pilot.infi.net > From: "Dr. Pedro Rodriguez" > > Friends and colleagues: > > I wish to inform all of you who have written to me recently requesting > information on my findings about the Varroa mites treatment: I lost all my > most recent e-amil addresses due to a power failure. Those of you to whom I > have not answered, PLEASE write again so that I may have your e-mail > address! I promise to write to each and everyone as I have done in the > past. My most sincere apologies for the delay. > > Regards. Dr. Rodriguez ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:22:04 +0000 Reply-To: barry@birkey.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: Re: Gary Ford Contributions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Albert W Needham wrote: > Think about it !!!! You are enjoying some WORLD CLASS > FREE ADVICE on this List and you can't even contribute > the equal of a couple of jars of honey to try and help out > a fellow beekeeper.... a young man with a family trying his > best to make it ! Hi Al - Good bit of information you pass on. Maybe the problem is that people won't think about it! If they did, maybe their conscious would bother them. Even if half the people on the list that are from the U.S. and Canada just gave $1 it would be more than what's been given so far! Can't figure this one out. - Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:38:29 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Steven A. Creasy" Subject: Aggressive Hive Howdy All! I have 4 hives, and have been trying to work them recently without the aid of a smoker. I usually do this only on sunny days, in mid afternoon (1-3 PM). Three of the hives usually do well with this method. If I work slowly, only the occasional bee will rush to my glove and check me out and rarely will I get stung. ONE hive, however, when opened, IMMEDIATELY reacts by sending 20-30 bees out and stinging like crazy! When my hand *slowly* approaches the top of the box to lift out a frame, the bees just jump up to my hand and immediately begin stinging and quickly move to my chest and arms where I am stung through my coveralls. Is this behavior to be blamed on the queen? She is a new queen, placed in that hive last fall. They overwintered well, and are raising lots of new brood. Will requeening this fall solve the problem? Curiously, Steve Creasy- (\ Maryville, Tennessee USA {|||8- Proverbs 24:13, 25:16 (/ screasy@juno.com