From LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Mon Jun 30 09:23:11 1997 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:14:55 -0400 From: "L-Soft list server at University at Albany (1.8c)" To: Adam Finkelstein Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG9705B" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:55:38 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Re: Troubled about Packages & Queens In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > The thing that I found odd was the fact that I found three small patches > of eggs each about 1 - 2 inches in diameter, and each on a different > frame. This was a new package, so she had to have laid them. What could > have happened to her? Stray queens sometimes arrive in packages with the bees. This is not to say that this is what happened here tho'. I don't know. It is strange that sometimes a queen simply will not leave a queen cage. I have gone back after three weeks to find a queen still in the cage and all the candy eaten out. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:04:21 -0700 Reply-To: hbose@nanaimo.ark.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Shelley Pisto Organization: Shelley R. Pisto LTD. Subject: Bee hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: i am a hobby beekeeper in BC Canada. my greatest interest is the different kind of beehives used around the world, at this time i am looking for some planes to built the old european "leaf hive" can anybody help?i am also interested in any other differend hive planes. thank you Helmut Bose ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 08:34:11 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Bee hive Comments: To: hbose@nanaimo.ark.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shelley Pisto wrote: > > Hi: i am a hobby beekeeper in BC Canada. my greatest interest is > the different kind of beehives used around the world, at this time i am > looking for some planes to built the old european "leaf hive" > can anybody help?i am also interested in any other differend hive > planes. thank you > Helmut Bose try http://home.pi.net/~ambros/home.html pictures -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html webside van het AmbrosiusGilde: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/ambro_index.html webside for NECTAR: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/nectar_index.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html -------------------------------------------------------- The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better.", so I bought a Mac. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:44:57 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Michael J. Wolf" Subject: Weird bee behavior Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I sent out a post the other day, but no replies, so maybe it got lost... Reiterating, I had a colony in town which was doing fine through September, when the bees began to crash into the house windows at night, about 40 feet from the hive. They seemed to be going for the incandescent light, and would buzz around the windows on the south side of the house (the side closest to the hive) from twilight into the hours of midnight and beyond. In the morning, there were piles of +- 100 dead bees below each window. This went on for +- 10 days, and by that time, the colony was on a serious decline to the point of failure by November. First, has anyone gotten this post, and second, has anyone seen behavior like this? What might have been the cause? Mike Wolf mwolf@efn.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 06:03:26 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Capt Ken Black Subject: Re: Power Faioure = loss of internet data Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A Please send me info Pedro, I would be very grateful for your advice, keep up your excellent work. Ken Black Bay Tree Cottage 76 East St, Fritwell '\ /` Bicester, ()() Oxfordshire, England. OX6 9QF \/ 00441869345725 Fax:00441869256678 email: kblack.lisa.mod@gtnet.gov.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 08:47:51 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Steve Pearce Organization: Dept of Biochemistry Subject: Re: Weird bee behavior Mike Yes I got the post, but it is confusing. I however have noticed bees flying at lights in darkness. I occassionally move bees at night and have a powerful lamp to illuminate the whole apiary. Several bees always come out and go to the light. Also If I remove a super of honey as the sun is going down, and if there are several bees left thenthey will, as darkness falls go to any lights and buzz them. I wonder if your bees are coming out in the twilight, and then getting confused by the bright lights. If it is warm, and the lights are very bright it may even confuse the bees into thinking that it is daylight. They will then get confused, when they try to orientate to the light. It is probably less of a problem in Scotland as the night-time temperatures are low even in the summer . ...just some thoughts...but really I don't know! Steve Kilspindie Scotland ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:00:06 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Varroa control, was "Why do you use foundation?" Comments: cc: barry@birkey.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and here is the URL http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 13:06:30 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Peroxide test strips Comments: To: aweinert@tpgi.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew & Judy Weinert wrote: > > I believe the product that was mentioned a couple of days ago was > Mercoquant test strips for peroxide > > They are available from > Merk KGaA > 64271 Darmstadt > Germany > Tel (06151)720 > > They work in the range of 0.5 - 25 mg per litre of H2O2 (Hydrogen > peroxide) > > I assume the person requiring these wants to test the natural > peroxide in honey. These strips should work in honey although the > stickyness may be a bit disconccerting. > > The strips work on a colour change reaction to peroxide. > > They are easy to use and reliable I use them already, and know how the preform. but, I was looking for it , the make the file http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/H2O2.html complete, for the use in USA -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html webside van het AmbrosiusGilde: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/ambro_index.html webside for NECTAR: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/nectar_index.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html -------------------------------------------------------- The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better.", so I bought a Mac. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 07:26:21 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Blohm Subject: Re: bee vacuum In a message dated 97-05-07 17:42:11 EDT, Cesar Flores writes: << Where can I buy a bee vacuum for collecting swarms? >> The only place I know of is: Southwestern Ohio Hive Parts Company 52 Marco Lane Centerville, Ohio 45458 800 765-5112 I have one and have used it for years and am very pleased with it. Rich, NY ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 08:09:10 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kim Flottum Subject: Plastic in the hive Hello, The June issue of Bee Culture magazine has an article not on fixing duragilt, but on all makes of plastic foundation, frames and mixed products. Dick Bonney has compiled a significant collection and explains the similarities, and differences in them, then shows costs and the like. Although Dick is a dyed in the wool wood and wax user, he has done an admirable job of staying neutral on the subject. It is informative and useful for beginners considering plastic and for those who have used some, but not all varities. Kim Flottum, Editor ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:32:23 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mike Worrell Subject: Re: permadent in extractor Use unwired. You couldn't wire it if you wanted to. Mike ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:10:06 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mike Worrell Subject: Re: Honey straws I just re-liquidfied a couple hundred myself last week. I brought a pan of water to almost boiling and turned down to medium. The sticks were dumped in and left about 3-4 minutes until they were again liquid and then removed. Mike ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:39:03 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jim Moore Subject: Re: Weird bee behavior I can't explain why your hive crashed. I keep my hives on a deck just outside my family room. There a two double sliding doors on the east side with the hives just outside. Most nights through the summer many bees, 30-100, will get home late and be attracted by the lights in the family room. I try to keep light disfused with the lamp shades and this minimizes the effect somewhat. I did not experience this happening in the fall. Two of the four doors have s screen and many of the bees light on it and remain until morning. The bees on the screen and the deck look quite dead in the morning but most recover once warmed by the raising sun. I did not experience this happening in the fall as I assume was the case with you. One other observation, I noticed a few times early summer an excessive number of bees at the window. There was not obvious explanation so I considered it was a skunk bothering the hives. It turned out that there was an opposum scratching the hives. Once out of the hive and in the darkness any of the defending bees were attracted to the light and remained until morning. Your hives may also have been bothered by some animal. As suggest by members of BEE-L, I dissuaded the opposum by placing secured mouse traps baited with apple. After a couple pinches on the nose it didn't return. Also suggested by BEE-L and tried was chicken wire placed on the ground around the entrance to the hives. This did not work in my case as the decking and railing provided to firm a footing I assume. Hope this helps. Regards, Jim Moore ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:59:59 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Eunice D. Wonnacott" Subject: Re: Weird bee behavior Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, I received the post. Did not reply because I have no explanation for this peculiar behaviour. Am "lurking" to see what develops !!! Eunice "From The Cradle of Confederation" >I sent out a post the other day, but no replies, so maybe it got lost... > >Reiterating, I had a colony in town which was doing fine through September, >when the bees began to crash into the house windows at night, about 40 feet >from the hive. They seemed to be going for the incandescent light, and >would buzz around the windows on the south side of the house (the side >closest to the hive) from twilight into the hours of midnight and beyond. >In the morning, there were piles of +- 100 dead bees below each window. > >This went on for +- 10 days, and by that time, the colony was on a serious >decline to the point of failure by November. > >First, has anyone gotten this post, and second, has anyone seen behavior >like this? What might have been the cause? > >Mike Wolf >mwolf@efn.org > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 08:18:57 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Read this First MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/spring/mgmt.htm is the correct URL Also check out http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/spring.htm again too. Be sure to reload. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:20:30 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "(Thomas) (Cornick)" Subject: Re: Weird bee behavior If the bees are like moths in their solar navigation then they use the angle of the sun to maintain course. Electric lights being so close to them relative to the sun would cause them to spiral in to the light while trying to hold a constant angle in relation to the light source. I know that if I leave a flood light on then I find dead bees under it in the morning. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:41:03 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Beeworks Subject: Re: Troubled about Packages & Queens In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 7 May 97 at 23:25, Tim Damon wrote: Troubled about Packages & Queens > have all made there way out tomorrow and I was just lending a hand. However > the sixth queen was found on the top of the frames with a circle of > attending bees, she was quite dead. The thing that I found odd was the fact > that I found three small patches of eggs each about 1 - 2 inches in > diameter, and each on a different frame. This was a new package, so she had > to have laid them. What could have happened to her? I am worried as these > three packages and the three queens all came from the same supplier. I also > noticed what I would consider excessive spotting on the outside of the > hives of the three packages. I may be a little paranoid, however I am > wondering if I have a problem with these six hives. Has anyone ever noticed > if the ability of the queen to release reflect at all on her > quality/health. What's up with the spotting? These packages were shaken in > Georgia, USA last Thursday (so I'm told), so they should have been > packaged only three to four days. And why would a queen die on top of the > frames like that? I'm puzzled by all of this. All of my overwintered hives > and packages installed 3 weeks ago are doing great. Those earlier packages > (6) came from a different supplier. Any ideas? I would suggest that your dealer has a problem. That dead queen (after laying some eggs) dies, usually killed by the bees as being unsatisfactory, in one form or another. Nosema in the breeding yard will cause queens to be unsatisfactory. Excess spotting is in evidence!!. Bees do not usually kill a satisfactory queen!! Dysentry in packages is most unusual, possibly the syrup was too thin or of the wrong type. Or the packages had been shaken considerably longer than 3 days, and they stored up so much that it caused problems. I would recommend that these hives are watched very carefully, a stronger syrup is fed, perhaps with Fumadil in case stress induced Nosema is the problem. ********************************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Drive Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, Canada. L3V 6H1 David Eyre, Owner. Phone/Fax 705 326 7171 Dealers for E.H.Thorne & B.J.Sherriff UK http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks ********************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 19:17:30 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tom Speight Subject: Re: hive In-Reply-To: <336FCFC4.5D58@dudasoft.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <336FCFC4.5D58@dudasoft.net>, "A.S. Chesnick" writes >I need plans for a beehive W.B.C.? Lanstroth? Dadant? British National? Smith? Cottager? Leaf? Top Bar? etc., etc. -- Tom S ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:26:25 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: bartlett Subject: Item of interest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Item of interest from U S NEWS AND WORLD REPORT Due to the "much feared Africanized honeybee" in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California, a company called BeeMaster out of Tucson is now available to place bait hives to trap the Apis mellifera scutellata. $25 and up. They set up the traps, make weekly checks and dispose of the bees. Among the clients may be churches, homes, golf courses, parks, and schools. It's an ill wind that doesn't blow someone some good!!!!! billy bee ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 18:57:32 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Message Sorry to have to post this on the List, but I have no alternative. P-O Gustafsson, please contact me at this juno address. Thanks, Al ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:11:04 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: List Problems Is anyone else having a problem getting their messages posted to the List in the last few days? Twice, today, I posted two messages by request of P-O Gustafsson, as he was having problems posting messages. To the best of my knowledge these messages did not make it on to the List. P-O reports seeing other messages, but these that I posted on his behalf.There have also been a couple of other messages posted by myself, that I do not believe made it. Yes, I am familiar with the automatic acknowledgement sent by BEE-l. I have not always been getting it of late. Thanks, Al, Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"--An Educational Program Check Out " The Amazing BeeCam " At: http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:27:15 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: SOlar Wax melters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone on this list have experience with Mann Lake's portable Solar Wax Melter? Paul Cronshaw, D.C. Cyberchiro and Hobby Beekeeper Santa Barbara, CA USA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 22:04:26 -0800 Reply-To: beeman@Alaska.NET Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tom & Carol Elliott Organization: Home Subject: Re: Weird bee behavior MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael J. Wolf wrote: > They seemed to be going for the incandescent light, and > would buzz around the windows on the south side of the house (the side > closest to the hive) from twilight into the hours of midnight and beyond. > In the morning, there were piles of +- 100 dead bees below each window. > > This went on for +- 10 days, and by that time, the colony was on a serious > decline to the point of failure by November. > Mike, When you send in a perplexing problem like this it means no one knows what to say. I know that when I first sent in a similarly perplexing problem (not the same sort of thing) I got not one response. There are situations that the most experienced beekeeper cannot deal with. Yours may be one of these. I know I have no ideas. But, the question got through. - - - - - - - - - - - - "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) Tom Elliott Eagle River, Alaska U.S.A. beeman@alaska.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 02:15:58 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: James Meehan Subject: ANTS IN THE HIVE I am using a division board feeder and have noticed a bunch of ants gathering on top of my inner cover. Any suggestions on how to prevent this? Jim Meehan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:29:29 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Re: Recycling Duragilt foundation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bob Oliver wrote: <> I agree. However, past the first generation the cells will darken from left over cocoons thereby making egg detection a little easier. Perhaps Mann-Lake could make the plastic a darker color. Do you think the bees would care if if the plastic foundation is white or black background? :) Paul Cronshaw, D.C. Cyberchiro and Hobby Beekeeper Santa Barbara, CA USA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 04:48:29 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Thomas W. Hoyt" Subject: Re: SOlar Wax melters In a message dated 97-05-09 04:28:30 EDT, you write: << Does anyone on this list have experience with Mann Lake's portable Solar Wax Melter? >> Nope - but I made one from the plans I found 'somewhere' (been looking for 'em and can't remember where I put 'em) and it works spiffy in the middle of Illinois. I'm sure it would work where you live. Mine is a rather simple wooden box, tilted toward the sun (about 30 degrees) and I put it facing South. Two panes of glass on top. It goes up to over 200 degrees on a nice day and the wax comes a rolling outta those bad frames into the loaf pan below. ( durn, I wish I could remember where that magazine is with the plans... ) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:32:54 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ljubisa Stanisavljevic Subject: About comment on our Osmia cocoons Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 12:31:59 +0200 >To: pvanwesten@galaxy.gov.bc.ca >From: Ljubisa Stanisavljevic >Subject: About comment on our Osmia cocoons > >Everyone studying and/or applying solitary bees is aware of the rules of importing or exporting them. As far as I know, your country exports large amounts of leafcutting bees, M. rotundata, and who imorts them cannot do it illegally. Osmia cocoons I offer have a health certificate. If somebody needs them, he should have the permit issued by his goverment (or other authorities). >Best wishes, >Ljubisa ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 06:43:19 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Re: Troubled about Packages & Queens In-Reply-To: <3372BD93.14EA@alaska.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT (I'll get to queens in a moment, but first let me apologise for somehow sending my note to Eric to the whole list. I was somewhat shocked to see it come back marked BEE-L. FWIW, it was about a website I am building about spring management and splitting. All are welcome, but it was not my intent to command all to "Read this First". Of course all are welcome to visit it and comments will be appreciated. Specifically, I am a bit concerned about it's sheer size -- and worry about loading time for all the photos). --- > All of this can be avoided by simply releasing the queen directly into > the newly installed package. This might not work with a package > freshly shaken, but normally bees have been in the cage with the queen > for, at least a couple of days. That's our normal method of installation, however last year we had a lot of trouble with some Haines packages from new Zealand. We installed in the morning since they were looking pretty travelled, expecting a cool rainy day, but it turned hot and we had twenty pound swarms in the the trees. We installed the rest in the evening with the queens caged for manual release the next day. The queens of which I spoke recently are those used as replacement and splitting queens installed with the candy hole pierced with a nail. > In 16 years I have never had a problem with this (except once when the > queen flew away, but she came back quickly) method. When queens fly during manual release, they do come back, but with 24 hives to chose from, we can never be sure where she will go. It's about 50/50 or less whether she goes to the right place. Yesterday was a great day and we were out for 11 hours, working through hives, splitting, reversing where necessary. In our work, we found two beautiful hives; they were full of young bees in two standard boxes, but totally queenless. They had no brood whatsoever. In each case, I simply released a caged queen (from Trevor Weatherhead - Hi Trevor - beautiful queens!) on a frame, watched for a few minutes (a good excuse for a break) and reassembled the hive. The bees were glad to see the queens and immediately accepted them with no sign of hostility. BTW, list members, Gus called me the other night from Kona in Hawaii to say that they have lots of queens available and have dropped their prices. They had previously had buyers of queens on quota, but apparently things are going much better than they expected and they have removed the limits. Allen (Who is glad to finally get out and get splitting)! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:55:29 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Basehore Subject: Re: ANTS IN THE HIVE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:15 AM 5/9/97 -0400, you wrote: >I am using a division board feeder and have noticed a bunch of ants gathering >on top of my inner cover. Any suggestions on how to prevent this? > >Jim Meehan > Put a grease path about 2 inches wide around the hive or on the hive and the ants wont cross it. Or you can put a 2 inch wide or so path of your favorite laundry detergent on the ground around the hive, I use Tide. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 06:59:21 -0500 Reply-To: BEE-L@cnsibm.albany.edu Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Excerpts from BEE-L Organization: BestOfBee@systronix.net Subject: bee vacuum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This wound up in Best of Bee's mailbox: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:00:51 +0900 (KST) From: junghwo@dava.kepco.co.kr To: bees@systronix.net Subject: bee vacuum ><< Where can I buy a bee vacuum for collecting swarms? >> > >The only place I know of is: > > Southwestern Ohio Hive Parts Company > 52 Marco Lane > Centerville, Ohio 45458 > 800 765-5112 > >I have one and have used it for years and am very pleased with it. > >Rich, NY Dear Richard I have some question about your E-mail. When do you use the bee vacuum ? Do you know honey gathering machine with vacuum ? This is south korea. my E-mail is junghwo@dava.kepco.co.kr Sincerely chung Hi woo ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:10:19 +0000 Reply-To: barry@birkey.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: Re: List Problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Albert W Needham wrote: > > Is anyone else having a problem getting their messages > posted to the List in the last few days? Al - As of late I've been having a notice sent to me after every post to the list informing me that my mail has been undeliverable for the last 6 hours and that it would continue trying for the next 6 days. As far as I can tell though, every one of the posts made it through. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:28:28 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "FLORENCE COOPER, RN" Subject: beginning bee book & when do I put on my first honey super? My 11 year old son and I are very new to beekeeping. He got a hive on his birthday (April 16). An experienced beekeeper helped us check the hive a week ago and everything looks good--the queen is laying, lots of brood, honey, pollen, etc. He told us to put on the second brood chamber in about a week (today) if the weather had been warm and sunny--which it has, so we will do that today. When should we check to see about putting on the honey super (we are using shallow frames as Mark is a kid and I have back trouble)? We live in the deep south (Jackson, MS) and have hot, hot summers. How soon should I check? I don't want to upset the bees. However, Mark is REALLY interested in checking out the bees. He had a really hard time waiting 2 1/2 weeks to check them the first time!!! We also need the name of a good beekeeping book for beginning beekeepers. Suggestions are eagerly awaited!! I would also like suggestions for good "bee" plants for my garden. I am an avid gardener, who became a beekeeper by default (but I am really loving it--I sort of feel like a farmer!) This list has been really helpful to me. Florence and Mark Cooper, New Beekeepers!! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:53:28 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rett Thorpe Subject: Re: SOlar Wax melters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Thomas W. Hoyt[SMTP:Thoswhoyt@aol.com] > Reply To: Discussion of Bee Biology > Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 2:48 AM > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: SOlar Wax melters > I have a set of plans that I down loaded from the net, but like you I can't remember where I got them. However, I do have a printed copy. If you are interested I could send you a copy. If interested reply to Rett Thorpe E-mail: Rettt@Sterwent.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:58:15 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Subscriptions to BEE-L Decline to 493 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date:F Fri, 9 May 1997 08:55:17 -0400 From: Subject: Message ("Your message dated ...") To: Allen Dick > Your message dated Fri, 9 May 1997 06:59:21 -0500 has been successfully > distributed to the BEE-L list (493 recipients). --- I don't normally get this message, since I have the LISTSERV option set to send me a copy of my original post each time instead; however I am shocked to see how subscriptions have plummeted. Perhaps this is due to the recent renew campaign run automatically by the LISTSERV, or maybe it is due to fund-raising activities -- or some other reason. Perhaps, some will argue that it is due to Best of Bee. Whatever the reason it seems to me that we might wish to understand why the list has achieved such a low subscription level, rather than growing steadily. Best of Bee now has 225 subscribers and that group seems pretty stable and grows steadily -- with sudden spurts right after any unpleasantness. Perhaps the number on Best of Bee should be added to the BEE-L numbers to arrive at the true BEE-L total, but I doubt it; I assume that many (most?) have a BEE-L subscription too, unless setting BEE-L NOMAIL also turned off the renewal reminder and they are lurkers who seldom post and would thus not get a message that they are not BEE-L subscribers. MAybe someone would like to compare the two membership lists? At any rate, I would appreciate any thoughful comments on this and ideas as to where we should go from here. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:24:37 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Chester T. Lauck" Subject: Re: beginning bee book & when do I put on my first honey super? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Florence, I have two sons that work our apiary with us and I have found that the best book for them the ABC,XYZ of Bee Keeping available from Dadant, goo luck. Chester Lauck Winchester, Va. J&J Farm/Apiary ---------- > From: FLORENCE COOPER, RN > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: beginning bee book & when do I put on my first honey super? > Date: Friday, May 09, 1997 9:28 AM > > My 11 year old son and I are very new to beekeeping. He got a hive on his > birthday (April 16). An experienced beekeeper helped us check the hive a week > ago and everything looks good--the queen is laying, lots of brood, honey, > pollen, etc. He told us to put on the second brood chamber in about a week > (today) if the weather had been warm and sunny--which it has, so we will do > that today. When should we check to see about putting on the honey super (we > are using shallow frames as Mark is a kid and I have back trouble)? We live in > the deep south (Jackson, MS) and have hot, hot summers. How soon should I > check? I don't want to upset the bees. However, Mark is REALLY interested in > checking out the bees. He had a really hard time waiting 2 1/2 weeks to check > them the first time!!! > > We also need the name of a good beekeeping book for beginning beekeepers. > Suggestions are eagerly awaited!! > > I would also like suggestions for good "bee" plants for my garden. I am an > avid gardener, who became a beekeeper by default (but I am really loving it--I > sort of feel like a farmer!) > > This list has been really helpful to me. > > Florence and Mark Cooper, New Beekeepers!! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:04:53 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eric Abell Subject: Re: bee vacuum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 07/05/97 -0400, you wrote: >Where can I buy a bee vacuum for collecting swarms? > I acquired such a machine when I bought out a small beekeepers operation. It is not close at hand at the moment but if you don't get an address in a few days, let me know and I will see if there is an address or manufacturer on the equipment. Eric Eric Abell Gibbons, Alberta Canada T0A 1N0 Ph/fax (403) 998 3143 eabell@compusmart.ab.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:02:20 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Roy Nettlebeck Subject: Re: Subscriptions to BEE-L Decline to 493 Comments: To: Allen Dick In-Reply-To: <13591131512907@systronix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 May 1997, Allen Dick wrote: > Date:F Fri, 9 May 1997 08:55:17 -0400 > From: > Subject: Message ("Your message dated ...") > To: Allen Dick > Best of Bee now has 225 subscribers and that group seems pretty stable and > grows steadily -- with sudden spurts right after any unpleasantness. > > Perhaps the number on Best of Bee should be added to the BEE-L numbers to > arrive at the true BEE-L total, but I doubt it; I assume that many > (most?) have a BEE-L subscription too, unless setting BEE-L NOMAIL also > turned off the renewal reminder and they are lurkers who seldom post and > would thus not get a message that they are not BEE-L subscribers. MAybe > someone would like to compare the two membership lists? > > At any rate, I would appreciate any thoughful comments on this and ideas > as to where we should go from here. > Hi Allen and All, I have a couple of ideas. First , This time of the year is very busy for most of us.I bet many have just not re-subed because they are up to there armpits in other things , this time of the year. Second, There are many web pages that they can gather information on beekeeping from. We have a small % that are active on the list.You can see that even some of the regulars have not paticipated as much latley.The net is changing as it goes. Web pages will have much more info on them in the future. That will not take away the need for an open forum. We have a force that will help the list. The public is becoming more awhare of the depletion of wild honey bees. We are getting more people that want to have a couple of beehives. The back order time on woodenwhare is a good indication of what is really going on in beekeeping. Some old equipment needs to be replaced by the big boys , who now have a couple of extra $'s to spend do to honey prices. The bottem line is , we need an open forum that we can share ideas and discuss problems that face all of us. Beginners have a wealth of info that looks at this screen.The variance in bee behavior can not be put into a book.We see different things all the time. So we can use the list to shake out an answer or a lot more questions. The last flame thrower that we had is a lot less of a problem than many would think. It is an opinion problem and everyone has one. We can't learn much if we don't cross the line and look at a different opinion. Thank God were not all the same. He did a great Job making us different so we can grow. We can all grow from this list, I know that I have ,and I will continue to grow from this list. I had a 2% loss last winter. That is the best I have ever done in over 30 years. This list made it happen.New ideas come up all the time. This is not a dead place ,it is a place for us to express our own ideas and gain from the reseachers that participate in the list. So Allen,MY opinion is , the list is OK and not to worry.I do tend to look at the positive , because you can build only on the positive. I don't have time for the negative. If something is really wrong, then we will need to fix it.You have done a great job setting this up and I would like to thank Aaron for his time that he has spent over seeing this listserver. Best Regards Roy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:24:07 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Whitney S. Cranshaw" Subject: Leafy spurge and honeybees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was wondering what effect, if any, the spread of leafy spurge has had on western US/Canadian beekeepers. This plant, Euphorbia esula, has extensively colonized a huge area in a short time. I have heard that the honey from it has an unpleasant, "green" flavor. I would like to hear of other's experience with honey quality. However, I am even more interested to learn if there might be some suspected adverse effects on the colony health. Although not listed as a plant with toxic pollen (such as the recent discussed California buckeye), other Euphorbia species are listed as being among those that are known to be poisonous to honeybees. Whitney Cranshaw Ft. Collins, CO USA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:45:15 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: STEVE PHILLIPS Subject: Subscriptions to BEE-L Decline to 493 In an earlier post Allen expressed concern over the decline in membership in the bee-l. First let me say how much I appreciate the bee-l. I read it every day and I appreciate the hard work that has gone into maintaining the list and also the information that some of the experienced beekeepers provide. I do think there is a serious problem with the list, however. Is it a list for researchers? Is the list primarily for commercial producers? Are hobbyists encourged to post? What about the very inexperienced hobbyists, like myself? Right now the bee-l is trying be all things to all beekeepers, and lacks an identity. Because I'm a hobbyist, I rarely post to the list, mostly because I'm worried that if there is too much traffic by hobbyists, the commercial beekeepers and researchers will abandon the list because of all the noise. Some months ago before Best of Bee was introduced, there was discussion about splitting the list. I still wonder if that wouldn't be a good idea. I wish that there were more posts by researchers and discussion of their research. Maybe researchers would post more if they had their own list, which anyone could read, but with posting rights by invitation only. Maybe the commercial producers, both honey and queen, would have more open discussions about their problems and ideas if they had their own list. When Allen set up the Bee Discussion Page on his web page, I was initially optimistic that maybe it would solve these problems, but unfortunately there has been very little use of it. Secondly, there is too far too much unpleasantness on the bee-l, which leaves people reluctant to post. Just my opinions. -Steve Phillips- -Perry, KS- phillips@at01po.wpo.state.ks.us ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:02:36 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: Subscriptions to BEE-L Decline to 493 > So Allen,MY opinion is , the list is OK and not to worry....... >If something is really wrong, then we will need to fix it. >You have done a great job setting this up and I would >like to thank Aaron for his time that he has spent >overseeing this listserver. > > Best Regards > Roy I very definitely agree with Roy ! I really do not believe "the recent flame throwing" is responsible for a very measurable drop. I would expect a significant drop as a result of the recent re-subscription cycle run by the List Server...but the numbers are a bit surprising. Perhaps there is some relationship with Aaron's message about Web E-Mail problems. I doubt a hacker would be interested in mucking about with our subscriptions...it's a relatively small group in terms of the Werb. I, for one, constantly "tout" this List. As I have said previously, I highly recomend it to anyone interested in Honey Bees. The wealth of information provided by the members is, in my opinion, better than taking a Graduate Course in Beekeeping. Al Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"--An Educational Program Check Out " The Amazing BeeCam " At: http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:36:43 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Declining population on BEE-L, and splits -Deja Vu again! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In the beginning (1989), BEE-L was intended as a discussion group for bee biology. It was not solely honey bees, but ALL bees. The discussion dealt with NEW issues, not beekeeping issues. It was a rich group populated by researchers, most of whom spun off their own discussion lists (SOCINSCT and BOMBUS-L to name two) when BEE-L was taken over by "the beekeepers". The closest you will come to the BEE-L of old is Tom Sanford's APIS-L (APIS-L@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu). I looked over the APIS-L subscription list and discovered where the big boys went. Tom is very careful and wise to remind subscribers what is and is not appropriate for discussion on his list, and is quick to direct general beekeeping discussion to BEE-L. For better or for worse, BEE-L has become a list populated by beekeepers. It would be useless to attempt to steer the list back to its intended purpose, the horse has left the barn. The issue of splitting the list is a perennial issue raised by subscribers who are new to the list since the last time splitting was discussed. Anyone can have a LISTSERV list, all it takes is a host site to sponsor the list and a person to administer the list. Want to split the list? Go ahead. Find a sponsor and be the administrator. You may find that the wheel you have is at least as good as the wheel you want to reinvent. Aaron Morris - thinking splitting is for hives, not for BEE-L! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:53:00 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adony Melathopoulos Subject: RE : who bee-l belongs to ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I like the diversity of groups that interact on BEE-L. Beekeeping is really unlike any other form of agriculture in terms of the diversity of folks it draws in. We have a unique combination of nerdy researchers, confused hobbyists, and honey barons (and baronesses) that meet on the same list. I would miss losing any one group by exclusion. Further, I don't think a reduction in traffic will encourage any group to make more posts. Personally if a thread starts to get tedious (for example if the same subject line appears repeatedly in my inbox over a couple of days - and I feel the topic has been hit over the head) i'll just begin indiscrimenantly deleting. I also detest when things get nasty (nasty fighting words are best kept to personal messages), but again, those messages are easily detectable and I can delete them when a brawl starts to brew. On Fri, 9 May 1997, STEVE PHILLIPS wrote: > Is it a list for researchers? Is the list primarily for commercial producers? > Are hobbyists encourged to post? What about the very inexperienced > hobbyists, like myself? Right now the bee-l is trying be all things to all > beekeepers, and lacks an identity. Because I'm a hobbyist, I rarely post > to the list, mostly because I'm worried that if there is too much traffic by > hobbyists, the commercial beekeepers and researchers will abandon the > list because of all the noise. I would miss hobbyist posts, because my bee husbandry is nothing to brag about (and they ask questions I may not dare ask), and they often start some of the more interesting threads (like that water collecting thread this month). Cheers Adony *********************************** ** Adony P. Melathopoulos ********* *** Center for Pest Management **** **** Simon Fraser University ****** ***** Burnaby, British Columbia *** ****** Canada, V5A-1S6 ************ *********************************** Tel : (604) 291-4163 Fax : (604) 291-3496 e-mail : melathop@sfu.ca "The pursuit of agriculture promotes the strength of the mind as well as the body" - Rev. John L. Blake, 1853 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 20:29:59 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Leafy spurge and honeybees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whitney S. Cranshaw wrote: > Euphorbia esula look in my books, nothing special on toxity In Holland the plant is called: "Witch-milk" -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:47:49 -0700 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Subscriptions to BEE-L Decline to 493 Comments: To: allend@internode.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know if the reason for reduced subscriptions is the recent renewal, but I would guess it helped. It was a little difficult to figure out how to renew, which was obvious from all the replys to the renewal message that ended up on the list. If you are new and had a hard enough time to figure out how to get on origionally, if you were dropped, it just might be too much to try to get on again. I suggest that, in the future, the renewal notice be sent under the "subscribe and cancel" email address. And make it a simple "reply to" with "OK" or even nothing but the reply to. I do have a little concern posting on the list because I have been, I guess you call it, flamed, but I have also been answered by some very gentle and kind beekeepers who go out of their way to help. So I'll take the stings because there is so much good honey. Bill Truesdell Bath ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:40:52 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: OAKES DAVID W Subject: Glad bee-l is here MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I really appreciate the bee-l in any form. I am a beginner with one hive and expecting to increase. This forum has been an invaluable tool. I take what applies to me and the other is thrown to the wind. I know that there is a lot of wind but who is to say it is bad; Even when the wind blows extra hard! I thank those who keep this service going. I want to add to the line sometimes, but I do not feel I yet have the experience to be valuable. Thanks again for all the input from all over the world. Dave in Indiana ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:33:26 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rett Thorpe Subject: Re: Solar Wax melters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > I have a set of plans that I down loaded from the net, but like > you I can't remember where I got them. However, I do have a printed > copy. If you are interested I could send you a copy. > If interested reply to > Rett Thorpe > E-mail: Rettt@Sterwent.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:57:31 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: SOlar Wax melters On Fri, 9 May 1997 07:53:28 -0600 Rett Thorpe writes: > I have a set of plans that I down loaded from the net, but >like you I can't remember where I got them. However, I do have a printed >copy. If you are interested I could send you a copy. > If interested reply to > Rett Thorpe > E-mail: Rettt@Sterwent.com Hi Rett: This is the type of thing that I would be willing to scan and put up on a page on my web site, if enough folks are interested. The folks could save the page and print it out at home. If you like, you can send me a copy anyway and I will scan it and put it up there anyway, if for no other reason to see how the idea works out. Contact me privately for my home address, if you are interested in trying this idea out. Al, Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com Author Of "The HoneyBee"--An Educational Program Check Out " The Amazing BeeCam " At: http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:59:39 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vince Coppola Subject: Re: ANTS IN THE HIVE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Meehan wrote: > > I am using a division board feeder and have noticed a bunch of ants gathering > on top of my inner cover. Any suggestions on how to prevent this? You may get ants with or without a feeder. An Easy way to get rid of ants on the inner cover, and don't ask me how it works, is to place soe fresh greens between the inner and to covers. The old gent who told me about this said grape leaves are best. I do use grape leaves when available but have had equal success with sumac fronds, golden rod, or just about any leafy weed i find. Be sure to cover the entire inner cover. If you cover just one side you may find the ants on the other side next visit. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:43:14 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Basehore Subject: Re: Declining population on BEE-L, and splits -Deja Vu again! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:36 PM 5/9/97 EDT, you wrote: >In the beginning (1989), BEE-L was intended as a discussion group for >bee biology. It was not solely honey bees, but ALL bees. The >discussion dealt with NEW issues, not beekeeping issues. It was a rich >group populated by researchers, most of whom spun off their own >discussion lists (SOCINSCT and BOMBUS-L to name two) when BEE-L was >taken over by "the beekeepers". The closest you will come to the BEE-L >of old is Tom Sanford's APIS-L (APIS-L@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu). I looked >over the APIS-L subscription list and discovered where the big boys >went. Tom is very careful and wise to remind subscribers what is and >is not appropriate for discussion on his list, and is quick to direct >general beekeeping discussion to BEE-L. > Quite frankley I learned moore from BEE-L in a week then from APIS-L in all the time I was on it so it was cancelled. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:51:33 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dusty Rhodes Subject: LONG LIVE BEE-L In-Reply-To: <199705100043.TAA26287@dns.okc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm new and I LOVE BEE-L. Let's cut this thread and get back to BEES ! PLEASE Dusty ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 21:18:02 -0700 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Cleaning up frames MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my scraping and cleaning of old brood frames I wondered if a good spray of the wood with Lysol or some other disinfectant would help or would it potentially be bad for the bees. These are bare frames, cleaned of wax, but I would like to get rid of any possible disease problems, specifically dysentery. I do not intend to use the frames for a couple of months. Anyone do anything like this or have recommendations for disinfecting the frames? Bill Truesdell Bath ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 21:47:27 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Wolford Subject: Two problems...need help. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just finished adding supers to on hive. During the winter I was feeding this colony of bees with the bag type feeder which utilizes a small super that is placed on top of the hive body. Once the bees had finished off the sacks of sugar water they built comb in the area. Today I scaped the comb off the top board and placed the comb on top of the top bars of the bee hive so I could add the queen excluder and my supers. It was pretty messy. Should have I, or shouldn't have I done this. What are the consequences or results? Also, I have one hive that is queenless and has laying workers. I placed two frames of brood from a strong hive into this hive. I was told to do this so they would develop a new queen. I did this about 7 days ago. I checked today and did not notice any new queen cells. I need some help on this one. Anybody got any advice. What next? John M. Wolford jmwolford@kih.net Liberty, Kentucky ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:09:50 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John M Thorp Subject: Re: Branded Equipment and a question about a queen. Once again spending way too much time, really way too much time watching the bees! Dave Verville Hi Dave, Guess what,you have stumbled upon one of the finest pleasures in life that the good Lord made and gave for us to enjoy, as an integeral part of his plan for us. The point in reference is the tending of the garden that still applys even though Adam was tossed out of the garden of Eden. Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:25:33 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Sid Pullinger Subject: Bees and Noise : Mr Spacek writes <<<<>>>> It is strange how these stories persist. What he saw was pure coincidence. 99% of swarms settle near from where they came prior to going off to their chosen home. I think that human noise, shouting and banging of pans, has no effect on bees at all. However, it appears that many in the past thought so and the idea has persisted down the centuries. Village beekeeping was popular in the old days in England and, as he states later, banging on a pan could be a signal to other beekeepers, "This is my swarm." Hives were small and swarming and casting took place every year. I decided to see what references I could find to "tanging", as it is called, in a few old books. Quoting from a book by T B Miner, an American beekeeper, published in 1846, we find "The custom of jingling of bells and rattling of tin pans originated from the cottagers of Europe, residing in communities making a practice of ringing bells or thumping on tin pans when a swarm issued so as to know who the owner was: since swarms issuing from the premises of one cottager would frequently cluster on the grounds of another." And from a book by A Neighbour, well known English beekeeper and appliance maker, writing in 1866, "In many country districts it is a time-honoured custom for the good folks of the village to commence on such occasions a terrible noise of tanging and ringing with frying pan and key. This is done with the absurd notion that the bees are charmed with the clangorous din and by it may be induced to settle as near as possible to the source of such sweet sounds. This is, however, quite a mistake. The practice of ringing was originally adopted for a different and far more sensible object ---- viz., for the purpose of giving notice that a swarm had issued forth, and that the owner was anxious to claim the right of following, even though it should alight on a neighbour's premises. It would be curious to trace how this ancient ceremony has thus got corrupted from the original design." And an explanation from Root's A B C of Bee Culture, 1905. "In the old fashioned boxhive days, the ringing of bells and the tanging of tin pans was considered very essential in causing a swarm to alight. These old-timers probably did not know that the bees would cluster before going off, noise or no noise.. Because they settled on some tree after each tanging, such tanging was supposed to be essential. At one time this old custom was supposed to be a relic of an old superstition: but it is now known that one of the old kings of England once issued an edict that , whenever a swarm came forth, the owner of it was to ring bells or drum on tin pans to give notice that his bees were out, thus preventing anyone else from claiming them. What was done in an obedience to an old law, for an entirely different purpose, has crept down through the generations until the old significance is lost." So much for recent history. Going further back in time I found in Dr. Crane's book The Archaeloogy of Beekeeping an illustration of an etching on a silver goblet now in London and made in 1683. It clearly depicts a beekeeper tanging as the swarm issues from the hive, suggesting that the noise is for the bees and not neighbours. Finally, in H M Fraser's book Beekeeping in Antiquity, I found more references from the first centuries BC and AD which indicated that the belief existed that tanging brought the bees down. No doubt there are many more references, some even earlier, if one has the time and books to search. Clearly the origin of tanging lies in the dim and distant past. Sid P. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:25:37 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Sid Pullinger Subject: Bees and Noise May I offer a collective THANK YOU to all those members who replied to my problem with bees visiting a neighbour's pond. There were many replies and various remedies. I have passed them all on to the unlucky beekeeper and he is very grateful. The neighbour, too, was impressed to see replies from all over the world. Sid P My one and only address from now on is Sidpul@Compuserve.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:00:48 UT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Greg Magruder Subject: Re: SOlar Wax melters On Fri, 9 May 1997 07:53:28 -0600 Rett Thorpe writes: > I have a set of plans that I down loaded from the net, but >like you I can't remember where I got them. Hi all: I downloaded plans for a solar wax melter from. http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html I'm sure they're still there. This site also has plans for observation hives and other stuff... all in pdf format. Regards to all, Greg Magruder ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 09:21:39 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "(Thomas) (Cornick)" Subject: Re: Declining population on BEE-L, and splits -Deja Vu again! Bee-L Has swarmed Probably the academics have their own discussion going on without the noise of us hobbiests. Hopefully they will pop in from time to time and keep us abreast of new developments I have learned more in the past six months on bee-l and the web pages people refer me too than from just my books alone. For me Bee-l fills in the holes between the lines in abc-xyz, Hive and Honey bee and etc. 20 colonies now from 2 nucs 2years ago Thanks Everyone ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 16:08:04 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Cleaning up frames Comments: To: mister-t@clinic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Truesdell wrote: > > In my scraping and cleaning of old brood frames I wondered if a good > spray of the wood with Lysol or some other disinfectant would help or > would it potentially be bad for the bees. These are bare frames, cleaned > of wax, but I would like to get rid of any possible disease problems, > specifically dysentery. > I do not intend to use the frames for a couple of months. Anyone do > anything like this or have recommendations for disinfecting the frames? > Bill Truesdell > Bath air, wind, sun (UV-light) will do the best. -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:06:29 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kirk Jones Subject: Re: Looking for BEE SKEPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Just wanted to thank everyone that responded to my request for information about St. Ambrose. I am planning a St. Ambrose Day celebration June 28th. I am now looking for a (Wholesale) source of good quality bee skeps for my bee theme garden and shop.I thought I would have time to make one myself but with spring comes the rush. Thank you. Sharon *Kirk Jones/ Sleeping Bear Apiaries /971 S. Pioneer Rd./Beulah,MI 49617 *Sharon Jones/ BeeDazzled Candleworks /6289 River Rd./ Benzonia, MI 49616 e-mail b-man@aliens.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:54:15 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Fischer Subject: Re: Two problems...need help. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Wolford wrote: > Also, I have one hive that is queenless and has laying workers. I placed > two frames of brood from a strong hive into this hive. I was told to do > this so they would develop a new queen. I did this about 7 days ago. I > checked today and did not notice any new queen cells. I need some help on > this one. Anybody got any advice. What next? Why does this problem keep coming up? Laying workers will never accept a new queen, nor will the colony try to develop one from good new brood. The only hope in saving your equipment from the eventual wax moths when the colony dies is to shake the bees out onto the ground and add the frames to other colonies. Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan USA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:11:33 +0000 Reply-To: barry@birkey.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: Re: Two problems...need help. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Wolford wrote: > > I just finished adding supers to on hive. During the winter I was feeding > this colony of bees with the bag type feeder which utilizes a small super > that is placed on top of the hive body. Once the bees had finished off the > sacks of sugar water they built comb in the area. Today I scaped the comb > off the top board and placed the comb on top of the top bars of the bee > hive so I could add the queen excluder and my supers. It was pretty messy. > Should have I, or shouldn't have I done this. What are the consequences > or results? Hello John - The bees filling in the voids with burr comb is quite a normal activity that they will do in a situation like this. You probably could have taken the the small super off earlier or reversed the hive bodies to have given them more room for the brood if they were all up high in the hive right under the cover. As far as placing the comb you scraped off, back on top of the top bars, unless you want more burr comb built on top of the frames and have your inner cover "glued" to the hive (unless your using migratory tops) I'd keep all the comb scrapings out of the hive especially if it is as much as I think you are talking about. > Also, I have one hive that is queenless and has laying workers. I placed > two frames of brood from a strong hive into this hive. I was told to do > this so they would develop a new queen. I did this about 7 days ago. I > checked today and did not notice any new queen cells. I need some help on > this one. Anybody got any advice. What next? I think it's best to follow the advise that has been given here recently and again by Ted, start over with this hive. You're going to keep taking from good hives to try and get this messed up hive back on track and everybody I talked to says it's next to impossible to achieve. I'll be following the same advice today with one of my hives that is in a similar situation. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 18:35:23 +-200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn_Johanesson?= Subject: SV: Two problems...need help. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC5D71.0B683E80" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5D71.0B683E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Fra: John Wolford[SMTP:jmwolford@kih.net] Sendt: 10. maj 1997 03:47 Til: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Emne: Two problems...need help. Also, I have one hive that is queenless and has laying workers. I = placed two frames of brood from a strong hive into this hive. I was told to do this so they would develop a new queen. I did this about 7 days ago. I checked today and did not notice any new queen cells. I need some help = on this one. Anybody got any advice. What next? The simplest way is to move the queenless hive to a differnt place in = the beeYard, then place a new empthy hive on the old hives spot. Now take every frame from the queenless hive and throw of the bees in = the mittle of the beeyard, and then place the frames in the new hive. the bees will fly to the new hive, while the egglaying workers will not. = they have forgotten how to find their way back to home. 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Will it be possible to set a fuse (match??) with it to the queenless hive? Will the artificial feromoon oppress the developed ovaria of the worker bees? This must be a simpel test for those who have access to the feromoon and it will be a great help for beekeepers!!! so researchers, there is some work to do!!!!!! -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 13:47:24 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Brian R Tucker Subject: Golden Bee I read in the book The Hive and The Honeybee that there is a italian strain that is almost all golden it has only alittle bit of black in the end of it's abdomen. does anyone known if anyone in the states sell this golden bee? Thanks Brian Tucker Polo MO ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:18:49 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Following the Bloom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to the information on this list, I ordered a copy of "Following the Bloom" by Douglas Whynott over the Internet. The book arrived from http://www.amazon.com in 2 days. It would have taken 2 weeks through my local book store. Doing business over the NET could not be easier. I noticed in the glossary that there are a number of races of AHB: Apis Mellifera scutella, Apis mellifera adansonii imported from Africa to Brazil in 1957 and Apis Mellifera brasilia, the progeny of 26 swarms of AHB that escaped from the test Apiary in Brazil, interbred with European bees. So do I understand this correctly that the AHB in US are hybdridized brasilias? Can they be hybridized more? Paul Cronshaw, D.C. Cyberchiro and Hobby Beekeeper Santa Barbara, CA USA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 15:46:02 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Steve Pett Subject: Bees in New Mexico Hello. I'm a fairly new beekeeper, with two hives I overwintered, and enjoy. I'm considering moving to New Mexico, about 25 miles east of Santa Fe to be exact, on the Pecos River. Quite a change from Iowa where I am now. I'm wondering if it's possible to keep hives in that country, and if so, what complications I might expect. Thanks in advance for any information. Steve ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:25:48 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: errors Comments: To: Discussion@xs4all.nl, of@xs4all.nl, Bee@xs4all.nl, Biology@xs4all.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EVERYTIME I send a message, I get back: >>>>>>>>> The original message was received at Sat, 10 May 1997 17:07:15 +0300 (EET DST) from ladybird.helsinki.fi [128.214.144.88] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... Deferred: Connection timed out with millipede.helsinki.fi. Warning: message still undelivered after 6 hours Will keep trying until message is 6 days old >>>>>>>> other one to?????? what can we do about it????? -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 17:56:26 +0000 Reply-To: barry@birkey.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: Re: errors Comments: cc: jtemp@xs4all.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jan Tempelman wrote: > > EVERYTIME I send a message, I get back: > >>>>>>>>> > The original message was received at Sat, 10 May 1997 17:07:15 +0300 > (EET DST) > from ladybird.helsinki.fi [128.214.144.88] > > ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... Deferred: Connection timed out with > millipede.helsinki.fi. > Warning: message still undelivered after 6 hours > Will keep trying until message is 6 days old > >>>>>>>> > > other one to?????? > > what can we do about it????? Hi Jan - I get the very same thing happening. Warning: could not send message for past 6 hours ********************************************** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ********************************************** Is this still a result of the server having problems anyone? -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:22:46 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: bartlett Subject: bee-l Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like everybody wants to be positive!! Well beekeeping is hard. Can be hot and heavy at times. I know of beekeepers who quit because they made too much mess extracting honey and their wives said never again in my kitchen. Since most of us are hobbiests, we expect alittle something for our hard earned laber. When you keep losing your bees due to mites and whatever else you can become discouraged. We had over 100 members in our club at one time and now maybe 35 with 8 to 10 attending meetings. Young people today have so much to choose from including this computer stuff that I love. With the media attention that bees get when there is a serious stinging event or some of the shows I have seen on TV it's no wonder people are afraid of the bees. And the bee stings still hurt! How many people want to be subjected to bee stings? Even most beekeepers dress up with so much stuff on that they look like they are from outer space. (all bee sting aren't bad) A large portion of our population are afraid of bees. So, for you big guys who are making a living off of beekeeping, my hat is off to you, you earned it! For all you sideliners who are enthalled and facinated with these little creatures, it really is a wonderful hobby. (If it just wouldn't keep costing me money and time to keep them going) Billy bee ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:41:42 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "A.S. Chesnick" Organization: Magnetic Resonance Consultant Subject: plans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can any body send me plans for a 10 frame beehive? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:49:46 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John M Thorp Subject: Arthritis Greetings to all, One of my dogs $191.00 later has been diagnosed with this most miserable affliction. Knowing how well "Bee Venom Therapy" works on me first hand how well does it work on dog's? I hope to hear from a bunch of you. When it comes to my dog's (8 total) I like to think of a bumper sticker that said,"Lord,help me to be the person my dog thinks I am". Thank's in advance to all of you who respond. Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:12:46 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: bartlett Subject: Re: Arthritis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear John, There was a study done several years back at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C. They used dogs for the experiment and were quite successful. The published results showed that the dogs treated with bee venom responded well in almost all cases. I never understood why nothing ever came of it. ----------billy bee Someone else mat have more detailed info on the amount of stings and location. Sure works for me on my fingers!!!!!! > From: John M Thorp > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Arthritis > Date: 10 mai 1997 21:49 > > Greetings to all, One of my dogs $191.00 later has been diagnosed with > this most miserable affliction. Knowing how well "Bee Venom Therapy" > works on me first hand how well does it work on dog's? I hope to hear > from a bunch of you. When it comes to my dog's (8 total) I like to think > of a bumper sticker that said,"Lord,help me to be the person my dog > thinks I am". Thank's in advance to all of you who respond. > Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:19:45 +0000 Reply-To: barry@birkey.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: Re: plans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A.S. Chesnick wrote: > > Can any body send me plans for a 10 frame beehive? Help yourself at: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA barry@birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:10:26 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ken Lawrence Subject: Easy Swarm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to All: Just a quick note to tell you about a Easy swarm I got today. I have a 18 frame Glass Hive (made in 1989). I had lost the hive to Varroa late in the fall and it has been empty. Was on the back deck and looked down the driveway and here come a swarm. (one of the largest I've seen) I have a old smoke house about 6 by 8 feet that holds my Observation Hive. The bees went straight for the entrance and didn't slow down till all were inside. Now have a hive that is FULL of bees. I spotted a small cluster of bees on the ground below the entrance which is about 2 ft off the ground. In this small cluster was a small Queen. I picked her up and put her on the landing board and in she went. I will give them a few days to get settled and will have to go in and do some house cleaning for them. Scrape the frames and sweep out the floor. A friend of mine has his bees about 3/4 mile east of me and had about 5 hives that had Queen Cells. Will check all my hives again as I had not seen any cells. I have 4 bait hives close to his hives as he didn't want to drive each night and check on them. I live 25 miles north of Kansas City Mo. Well that is my little story for the time being. Hope everybody has a good year. Ken Lawrence: Back to 24 hives and growing again: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:35:18 +0900 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: j h & e mcadam Subject: beginning bee book & when do I put on my first honey super? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Florence and Mark Cooper, New Beekeepers!! My 11 year old son and I are very new to beekeeping. He got a hive on his birthday (April 16). An experienced beekeeper helped us check the hive a week ago and everything looks good--the queen is laying, lots of brood, honey, pollen, etc. He told us to put on the second brood chamber in about a week (today) if the weather had been warm and sunny--which it has, so we will do that today. When should we check to see about putting on the honey super (we are using shallow frames as Mark is a kid and I have back trouble)? We live in the deep south (Jackson, MS) and have hot, hot summers. How soon should I check? I don't want to upset the bees. However, Mark is REALLY interested in checking out the bees. He had a really hard time waiting 2 1/2 weeks to check them the first time!!! We also need the name of a good beekeeping book for beginning beekeepers. Suggestions are eagerly awaited!! I would also like suggestions for good "bee" plants for my garden. I am an avid gardener, who became a beekeeper by default (but I am really loving it--I sort of feel like a farmer!) This list has been really helpful to me. Florence and Mark Cooper, New Beekeepers!! HOG BAY APIARY Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island j.h. & e. mcadam Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: j h & e mcadam Subject: Re: beginning bee book & when do I put on my first honey super? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Florence and Mark Cooper wrote about a new hive: >How soon should I check? I don't want to upset the bees. However, Mark is REALLY interested in checking out the bees. All beekeepers love to look inside hives. There is no strict timetable for when you must do this - if the bees are active they will not be disturbed. I have read that a hive takes 3 or 4 days to settle down after smoking so I think unless you are using minimal smoke it would be overdoing it to open it more than every 7 days. The more you handle the hive the more you will learn - even if you do lose some production. > >We also need the name of a good beekeeping book for beginning beekeepers. >Suggestions are eagerly awaited!! The ABC and XYZ of Beekeeping contains everything you are ever likely to need to know but when I started I found books on beginning beekeeping more useful because there was not so much to cram in at once and they provided a simplified schedule for the year. After a couple of years I found I could follow the ABC and XYZ more easily because I had enough experience to understand it. >I would also like suggestions for good "bee" plants for my garden. I am an >avid gardener, who became a beekeeper by default (but I am really loving it--I >sort of feel like a farmer!) An overgrown herb plot is really favoured by bees - Borage is known as "bee bread" because of the high quality pollen and nectar and will self seed readily. Bergamot, Sage, Catnip, Thyme and Parsley are all bee favourites and Rosemary flowers in winter when there are few other nectar sources. Your local plant nursery can advise on nectar producing flowers for your area - anything that attracts nectar eating birds is bound to be attractive to bees. HOG BAY APIARY Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island j.h. & e. mcadam Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Cesar Flores Subject: Re: swarm vacuum I have decided to build my own bee vacuum instead of buying one! I am perforating a 5 gal bucket with many small holes in the bottom, then inserting it into another bucket. A bee collection hose leads into the lid, a vacuum hose from the bottom bucket creates suction to draw the swarm into the perforated bucket. Vacuum pressure generated by a reversed leaf blower. Comments? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:32:51 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "(Thomas) (Cornick)" Subject: Re: swarm vacuum Couple of months ago the bee vacuum was discussed in Bee Culture. Essentually what the author figured out was that he had to pad the collection box to keep the bees from being dashed to death against the container. I think Bee Culture may have an online library maybe the article is in it. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 07:32:38 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "JOSEPH F. ROSSMAN" Organization: ROSSMAN APIARIES,INC. Subject: Re: beginning bee book & when do I put on my first honey super? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit j h & e mcadam wrote: > > Florence and Mark Cooper, New Beekeepers!! > > My 11 year old son and I are very new to beekeeping. He got a hive on his > birthday (April 16). An experienced beekeeper helped us check the hive a week > ago and everything looks good--the queen is laying, lots of brood, honey, > pollen, etc. He told us to put on the second brood chamber in about a week > (today) if the weather had been warm and sunny--which it has, so we will do > that today. When should we check to see about putting on the honey super (we > are using shallow frames as Mark is a kid and I have back trouble)? We live in > the deep south (Jackson, MS) and have hot, hot summers. How soon should I > check? I don't want to upset the bees. However, Mark is REALLY interested in > checking out the bees. He had a really hard time waiting 2 1/2 weeks to check > them the first time!!! > > We also need the name of a good beekeeping book for beginning beekeepers. > Suggestions are eagerly awaited!! > > I would also like suggestions for good "bee" plants for my garden. I am an > avid gardener, who became a beekeeper by default (but I am really loving it--I > sort of feel like a farmer!) > > This list has been really helpful to me. > > Florence and Mark Cooper, New Beekeepers!! > > HOG BAY APIARY > Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island > j.h. & e. mcadam http://kigateway.eastend.com.au/hogbay/hogbay1.htm CONCERNING A GOOD BOOK FOR BEGINNERS, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU PURCHASE ONE BY THE NAME OF "HONEYBEES AND BEEKEEPING" BY DELAPLANE. THIS IS A GOOD BOOK ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU LIVE IN THE SOUTH AS IT IS WRITTEN WITH THE SOUTH IN MIND. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:41:11 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "(Thomas) (Cornick)" Subject: Re: beginning bee book & when do I put on my first honey super? If you see any burr comb on the underside of the inner cover then that is comb that could of been drawn in the hive body or the honey super. If all of the medications and drugs associated with modern beekeeping have been out of the hive for a week or two then put the honey super on and watch what happens. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 07:49:00 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "JOSEPH F. ROSSMAN" Organization: ROSSMAN APIARIES,INC. Subject: Re: bee-l MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bartlett wrote: > > Seems like everybody wants to be positive!! Well beekeeping is > hard. Can be hot and heavy at times. I know of beekeepers who quit > because they made too much mess extracting honey and their wives said > never again in my kitchen. Since most of us are hobbiests, we expect > alittle something for our hard earned laber. When you keep losing your > bees due to mites and whatever else you can become discouraged. > We had over 100 members in our club at one time and now maybe 35 > with 8 to 10 attending meetings. Young people today have so much to > choose from including this computer stuff that I love. With the media > attention that bees get when there is a serious stinging event or some > of the shows I have seen on TV it's no wonder people are afraid of the > bees. > And the bee stings still hurt! How many people want to be > subjected to bee stings? Even most beekeepers dress up with so much > stuff on that they look like they are from outer space. (all bee sting > aren't bad) A large portion of our population are afraid of bees. > So, for you big guys who are making a living off of beekeeping, my > hat is off to you, you earned it! For all you sideliners who are > enthalled and facinated with these little creatures, it really is a > wonderful hobby. > (If it just wouldn't keep costing me money and > time to keep them going) > Billy bee YES IT IS A HARD WAY TO MAKE A LIVING, BUT WHEN YOU SEE THAT NICE LONG BEAUTIFUL QUEEN YOU JUST PRODUCED RUNNING AROUND ON THE COMB BACKING INTO CELLS AND LAYING EGGS, YOU BEGIN TO SEE THE FRUITS OF YOUR LABOR. THESE SCENES MAKE YOU REALLY FEEL GOOD AND RE-ENFORCE YOUR POSITION AS TO WHY YOU ARE IN THIS BUSINESS ANYWAY. THANKS FOR THE GOOD WORDS ABOUT THE BEE INDUSTRY. FRED ROSSMAN ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:01:33 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "JOSEPH F. ROSSMAN" Organization: ROSSMAN APIARIES,INC. Subject: Re: ANTS IN THE HIVE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vince Coppola wrote: > > James Meehan wrote: > > > > I am using a division board feeder and have noticed a bunch of ants gathering > > on top of my inner cover. Any suggestions on how to prevent this? > > You may get ants with or without a feeder. An Easy way to get > rid of ants on the inner cover, and don't ask me how it works, is to > place soe fresh greens between the inner and to covers. The old gent who > told me about this said grape leaves are best. I do use grape leaves > when available but have had equal success with sumac fronds, golden rod, > or just about any leafy weed i find. Be sure to cover the entire inner > cover. If you cover just one side you may find the ants on the other > side next visit. CONCERNING ANTS,I HAVE SEEN THE USE OF SALT ON THE INNER COVER TO HELP PREVENT INVASION BY THE ANTS ALSO. FRED ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:11:55 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eric Abell Subject: Re: ANTS IN THE HIVE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:15 AM 09/05/97 -0400, you wrote: >I am using a division board feeder and have noticed a bunch of ants gathering >on top of my inner cover. Any suggestions on how to prevent this? > >Jim Meehan > Kill all the ants in the area. :) Eric Abell Gibbons, Alberta Canada T0A 1N0 Ph/fax (403) 998 3143 eabell@compusmart.ab.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:12:05 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eric Abell Subject: old syrup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have several drums of syrup that the bees did not take it the fall. These were covered and left in the bee yard over the winter. There has been some fermentation. Any ideas on using/reclaiming this? One suggestion was to sprinkle peppermint extract into the syrup and the bees would take it. I tried a little and I don't think it is working. I will check again in a few days. If peppermint works - how much should be used? Eric Eric Abell Gibbons, Alberta Canada T0A 1N0 Ph/fax (403) 998 3143 eabell@compusmart.ab.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:12:13 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eric Abell Subject: Re: Two problems...need help. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Also, I have one hive that is queenless and has laying workers. I placed >two frames of brood from a strong hive into this hive. I was told to do >this so they would develop a new queen. I did this about 7 days ago. I >checked today and did not notice any new queen cells. I need some help on >this one. Anybody got any advice. What next? As long as the bees think they have a queen, they will not start another. You might try shaking all of the bees out into the grass 20 or 30 yards from the hive. Now hope that the laying workers do not find their way back home. Eric Eric Abell Gibbons, Alberta Canada T0A 1N0 Ph/fax (403) 998 3143 eabell@compusmart.ab.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:54:09 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: bartlett Subject: bee venom treatment for dogs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear John, There was a study done several years back at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C. They used dogs for the experiment and were quite successful. The published results showed that the dogs treated with bee venom responded well in almost all cases. I never understood why nothing ever came of it. ----------billy bee Someone else mat have more detailed info on the amount of stings and location. Sure works for me on my fingers!!!!!! > From: John M Thorp > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Arthritis > Date: 10 mai 1997 21:49 > > Greetings to all, One of my dogs $191.00 later has been diagnosed with > this most miserable affliction. Knowing how well "Bee Venom Therapy" > works on me first hand how well does it work on dog's? I hope to hear > from a bunch of you. When it comes to my dog's (8 total) I like to think > of a bumper sticker that said,"Lord,help me to be the person my dog > thinks I am". Thank's in advance to all of you who respond. > Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at Dear John, There was a study done several years back at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C. They used dogs for the experiment and were quite successful. The published results showed that the dogs treated with bee venom responded well in almost all cases. I never understood why nothing ever came of it. ----------billy bee Someone else mat have more detailed info on the amount of stings and location. Sure works for me on my fingers!!!!!! > From: John M Thorp > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Arthritis > Date: 10 mai 1997 21:49 > > Greetings to all, One of my dogs $191.00 later has been diagnosed with > this most miserable affliction. Knowing how well "Bee Venom Therapy" > works on me first hand how well does it work on dog's? I hope to hear > from a bunch of you. When it comes to my dog's (8 total) I like to think > of a bumper sticker that said,"Lord,help me to be the person my dog > thinks I am". Thank's in advance to all of you who respond. > Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at Dear John, There was a study done several years back at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C. They used dogs for the experiment and were quite successful. The published results showed that the dogs treated with bee venom responded well in almost all cases. I never understood why nothing ever came of it. ----------billy bee Someone else mat have more detailed info on the amount of stings and location. Sure works for me on my fingers!!!!!! > From: John M Thorp > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Arthritis > Date: 10 mai 1997 21:49 > > Greetings to all, One of my dogs $191.00 later has been diagnosed with > this most miserable affliction. Knowing how well "Bee Venom Therapy" > works on me first hand how well does it work on dog's? I hope to hear > from a bunch of you. When it comes to my dog's (8 total) I like to think > of a bumper sticker that said,"Lord,help me to be the person my dog > thinks I am". Thank's in advance to all of you who respond. > Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at Dear John, There was a study done several years back at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C. They used dogs for the experiment and were quite successful. The published results showed that the dogs treated with bee venom responded well in almost all cases. I never understood why nothing ever came of it. ----------billy bee Someone else mat have more detailed info on the amount of stings and location. Sure works for me on my fingers!!!!!! > From: John M Thorp > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Arthritis > Date: 10 mai 1997 21:49 > > Greetings to all, One of my dogs $191.00 later has been diagnosed with > this most miserable affliction. Knowing how well "Bee Venom Therapy" > works on me first hand how well does it work on dog's? I hope to hear > from a bunch of you. When it comes to my dog's (8 total) I like to think > of a bumper sticker that said,"Lord,help me to be the person my dog > thinks I am". Thank's in advance to all of you who respond. > Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:03:05 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: Re: beginning bee book & when do I put on my first honey super? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Greetings: Go to my home page and look at beelinks.You will find a listing of bee plants Midnitebee(Herb) ---------- > From: j h & e mcadam > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: beginning bee book & when do I put on my first honey super? > Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 7:35 AM > > Florence and Mark Cooper, New Beekeepers!! > > > My 11 year old son and I are very new to beekeeping. He got a hive on his > birthday (April 16). An experienced beekeeper helped us check the hive a week > ago and everything looks good--the queen is laying, lots of brood, honey, > pollen, etc. He told us to put on the second brood chamber in about a week > (today) if the weather had been warm and sunny--which it has, so we will do > that today. When should we check to see about putting on the honey super (we > are using shallow frames as Mark is a kid and I have back trouble)? We live in > the deep south (Jackson, MS) and have hot, hot summers. How soon should I > check? I don't want to upset the bees. However, Mark is REALLY interested in > checking out the bees. He had a really hard time waiting 2 1/2 weeks to check > them the first time!!! > > We also need the name of a good beekeeping book for beginning beekeepers. > Suggestions are eagerly awaited!! > > I would also like suggestions for good "bee" plants for my garden. I am an > avid gardener, who became a beekeeper by default (but I am really loving it--I > sort of feel like a farmer!) > > This list has been really helpful to me. > > Florence and Mark Cooper, New Beekeepers!! > > HOG BAY APIARY > Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island > j.h. & e. mcadam http://kigateway.eastend.com.au/hogbay/hogbay1.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:08:44 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: queen intro&bee plants,trees,shrubs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Greetings: I have added two new items for your review. 1)Bee flowers,trees,shrubs 2)How to introduce the the new queen in your hive Go to "beelinks' and you will find these two articles. Midnitbee(Herb) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:55:42 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ed Levi Subject: Re: swarm vacuum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I have decided to build my own bee vacuum instead of buying one! I am >perforating a 5 gal bucket with many small holes in the bottom, then >inserting it into another bucket. A bee collection hose leads into the lid, a >vacuum hose from the bottom bucket creates suction to draw the swarm into the >perforated bucket. Vacuum pressure generated by a reversed leaf blower. >Comments? Let us know how this works!! Ed ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:04:18 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Re: old syrup In-Reply-To: <199705111412.IAA18737@bernie.compusmart.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I have several drums of syrup that the bees did not take it the fall. These > were covered and left in the bee yard over the winter. There has been some > fermentation. If conditions are right, bees seem to take slightly fermented syrup without problems. Once the weather turns hot and the bees are strong they take it away. Alcohol naturally evaporates easily, and if the syrup is placed in your shallow open feeders in the sun, little alcohol will be left after a day or two. Of course there will be some yeasts left in the syrup, but brewers yeast is good for bees, so I would assume that these yeasts would not be harmful. We have driven off alcohol by heating the drum a bit with a torch, but have wondered if there is damage to the syrup, and don't do that any more. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:06:52 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: ANTS IN THE HIVE On Sun, 11 May 1997 08:11:55 -0600 Eric Abell writes: >At 02:15 AM 09/05/97 -0400, you wrote: >>I am using a division board feeder and have noticed a bunch of ants >gathering on top of my inner cover. Any suggestions on how to prevent this? >> >>Jim Meehan >> >Kill all the ants in the area. :) Eric: Glad I am not an ant! Just kidding :-) Jim: Last year, I believe, there was quite a discussion on ants. One idea suggested was to put a container, like maybe an old film container with small holes (smaller than a honey bee-obviously) in the cover and put poison inside & place it under your hive if there is room. There were some good suggestions for poison. I think one idea involved using Borax? Perhaps whoever suggested the Borax could pop on line again with the formula or what have you. Al, Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com ...............http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/................. *A New Kind Of Web Site - Honey Bees Or Wacky Humor* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:21:29 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Re: swarm vacuum In-Reply-To: <970511080407_-863442947@emout02.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I have decided to build my own bee vacuum instead of buying one! I am > perforating a 5 gal bucket with many small holes in the bottom, then > inserting it into another bucket. A bee collection hose leads into the lid, a > vacuum hose from the bottom bucket creates suction to draw the swarm into the > perforated bucket. Vacuum pressure generated by a reversed leaf blower. > Comments? We have built a number over the years, and even hasd an article published in the now defunct Canadian Bee Journal 20 or so years ago (FWIW). We've used various designs and vacuum sources, and the main tips are: Have some way of controlling the vacuum so that you use only the necessary amount of pull so that the bees do not travel faster than necessary. Avoid sharp bends in the intake hose and rough inner surface. Consider an intake nozzle - like a crevice tool for picking up stragglers - and use the full open hose end for the bulk of the bees. The crevice tool concentrates the airflow at the intake and reduces the air speed inside the hose. If the suction line into the box is not in the line of bee travel, a simple small 6 mesh screen will do on the vacuum line. Have some way of cushioning the arrival of the bees if they are coming in fast. We used a cloth. The simplest I ever built was a 5 gallon pail with two 2-1/2 inch or so holes in the lid. One held the intake hose and the other held the screened vacuum hose. Since the bees came in beside the vacuum location in the lid and momentum carried them to the bottom, there were few on the screen. An occasional thump on the bottom ensured that they stayed down. I guess the most important tip is that you cannot keep bees in there long once the airflow is stopped. Best to dump them into something that allows them to breath ASAP. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:20:05 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Book: "Following the Bloom" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just finished reading this book by Douglas Whynott. I read it cover to cover in one reading session. It was so interesting that I couldn't put it down. I highly recommend reading for those who think that commercial beekeeping is all fame and glory. Far from it. I am curious if anyone on this list knows if some of the main characters in his book: Andy Card, Bill Hurd, Tom Emde, Reggie Wilbanks, Horace Bell,or Joe Romance are still moving bees these days? Are they still around to face the latest menace: the AHB? 6 years have passed since "Following the Bloom" was first published. I would like to see Mr Whynott (or another knowledgeable person) write a sequel to this book that deals with the spread of varroa and now the invasion of the AHB (AKA"Brazilian" or abejas furiosas") . His book was written just prior to the 1990 invasion of the AHB into Texas. Mr Whynott writes in the opening chapter of his book, "Questions arise: As the Africanized bee moves into the United States, will migratory beekeepers be able to travel? Can they afford the liability insurance? Will they cause the spread of killer bees or will they in fact control their movement? A broader question involves pollination. If hobbyist beekeepers quit in fear of "abejas furiosas", and if commercial beekeepers are bankrupted, how will the food economy be affected? What about those billions of dollars' worth of bee-pollinated crops?" Like the healthcare business (Eg. Columbia buying up hospitals) , it appears that the big commercial beekeepers will keep getting bigger. Also I have noted, with the rise in price of honey and pollination fees (Almonds went from $35 to $42) and shortage of hive parts, there has been an increasing demand for bees in the pollination business. Are we beginning to see an increase in the number of hobbyist beekeepers or have the commercial beekeepers just expanded/merged to keep pace with the demand? Mr. Whynott writes in the last chapter of his book: "The commercial beekeeper, like Hurd, would not only kill off a hive of Africanized bees, he would replenish it with gentler stock. The hobbyist beekeeper, one of that other 99 percent of beekeeping population, would also be likely to kill off the Africaniaed colony, but chances are that he would not soon replenish the hive. Chances are that the hobbyist beekeeper would quit beekeeping. The beekeeping population would thus decrease by one beekeeper and one of several hives. It's likely that as the Africanized bee moves through Texas and Louisiana, many beekeepers and their hives will drop along the way. At least that's the way things happened in Latin America." Has this been happening across the Southern States of the US? He goes on to predict: "People like Hurd, Card, Embe, Wilbanks, and Bell are the ones who can respond to the spread of Africanized bees, and will curtail them. Not because it's in their interest, but because they're the most able" Will it be the commercial beekeepers, or education of the Hobbyist beekeeper that will be most able to deal with this AHB invasion? It is amazing how the reading of one book can make someone start thinking about the future. Lets hope it is a bright one for the American Beekeeper. Paul Cronshaw, D.C. Cyberchiro and Hobbyist Beekeeper Santa Barbara, CA USA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:26:06 -0700 Reply-To: bruceham@pacbell.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bruce Hamilton Subject: Disappearnce MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If somebody has an idea, please let me know.. About 1 month ago I split an hive. The un-queened hive was left without a queen for about 5 days. I did have some brood in the hive. I then re-queened the hive. After about 9 days, early in the morning, I looked into the hive and found that the queen had not yet been released. I then manually released her. It did not appear the they were aggressive towards her. About (3) weeks later, when I open the hive I found that the queen had stated laying. There was a lot of new brood. Aslo at this time, I notice several earwigs in the hive. I tried to remove as many as I could. Yesterday, about 11days, later When I was in my bee yard with 5 other hives, I noticed no activity. Upon inspection I found ALL bees gone. There was still brood in the hive and a few new bees were emeging. I really do not have any idea what could have made them leave. Any ideas. Thanks, Bruce Hamilton BruceHam@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:24:02 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: L M SMITH Subject: Re: Apitherapy Comments: To: hallelujah.honey.co@juno.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is lots of info on bee stings for medical reasons at this address: www.beesting.com/#aas This is the Apitherapy Society and there are a lot of links there too. I have been using bee sting therapy for almost two years and swear by it, but I don't know about using it on dogs. Peace, Lois Greetings to all, One of my dogs $191.00 later has been diagnosed with this most miserable affliction. Knowing how well "Bee Venom Therapy" works on me first hand how well does it work on dog's? I hope to hear from a bunch of you. When it comes to my dog's (8 total) I like to think of a bumper sticker that said,"Lord,help me to be the person my dog thinks I am". Thank's in advance to all of you who respond. Take Care and GBY,John in Homestead,also at ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:05:55 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Sticky Board to sample Mite populations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Happy Mothers Day, Has anyone on this list had success with using a sticky Board to sample Mite populations? Mann Lake has one for $2.50 that appears to just slip into the front entrance. Are there other quick and easy ways to sample mites? Ether in a jar Method? Paul Cronshaw, D.C. Cyberchiro and Hobbyist Beekeeper Santa Barbara, CA USA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:05:29 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Sticky Board to sample Mite populations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Cronshaw, D.C. wrote: > > Happy Mothers Day, ALSO > Has anyone on this list had success with using a sticky Board to sample > Mite populations? > Are there other quick and easy ways to sample mites? Ether in a jar Method? We use Bottoms with wire netting allover See last items in http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:37:50 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Charles Hatton Subject: I want to build observation hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to build an observation beehive. Does anyone have a good design or know of where on the web to get one? Charles Charles@Apeleon.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:40:15 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "A.S. Chesnick" Organization: Magnetic Resonance Consultant Subject: Re: I want to build observation hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try birkley's web page he has plans for a 3-frame oh ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:43:15 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Charles Hatton Subject: Re: I want to build observation hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC5E2A.74DFE980" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5E2A.74DFE980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks -----Original Message----- From: A.S. Chesnick [SMTP:chestnic@mail.cvn.net] Sent: Sunday, May 11, 1997 4:40 PM To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Re: I want to build observation hive Try birkley's web page he has plans for a 3-frame oh ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5E2A.74DFE980 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+Ih4WAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAxAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAATwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAERpc2N1c3Npb24gb2Yg QmVlIEJpb2xvZ3kAU01UUABCRUUtTEBDTlNJQk0uQUxCQU5ZLkVEVQAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01U UAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAABgAAABCRUUtTEBDTlNJQk0uQUxCQU5ZLkVEVQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAA HgABMAEAAAAcAAAAJ0Rpc2N1c3Npb24gb2YgQmVlIEJpb2xvZ3knAAIBCzABAAAAHQAAAFNNVFA6 QkVFLUxAQ05TSUJNLkFMQkFOWS5FRFUAAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAGgAAAERp c2N1c3Npb24gb2YgQmVlIEJpb2xvZ3kAAAACAfdfAQAAAE8AAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDdAQ9U AgAAAABEaXNjdXNzaW9uIG9mIEJlZSBCaW9sb2d5AFNNVFAAQkVFLUxAQ05TSUJNLkFMQkFOWS5F RFUAAAMA/V8BAAAAAwD/XwAAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAACMVoBBIABACUAAABSRTogSSB3YW50 IHRvIGJ1aWxkIG9ic2VydmF0aW9uIGhpdmUA3wwBBYADAA4AAADNBwUACwAQACsADwAAAC4BASCA AwAOAAAAzQcFAAsAEAArAAkAAAAoAQEJgAEAIQAAADA5QTI0RURFMUFDQUQwMTE5MkRBNDQ0NTUz NTQwMDAwAPwGAQOQBgCYCQAAIgAAAAsAAgABAAAACwAjAAEAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQABAAAAAwAu AAAAAAACATEAAQAAANYAAABQQ0RGRUIwOQABAAIATAAAAAAAAAA4obsQBeUQGqG7CAArKlbCAABN U1BTVC5ETEwAAAAAAE5JVEH5v7gBAKoAN9luAAAAQzpcV0lORE9XU1xtYWlsYm94LnBzdAAYAAAA AAAAAO5A4M4WodARktpERVNUAACigAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA7kDgzhah0BGS2kRFU1QAAMKAAAAQ AAAACaJO3hrK0BGS2kRFU1QAACUAAABSRTogSSB3YW50IHRvIGJ1aWxkIG9ic2VydmF0aW9uIGhp dmUAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQCAQbS2XF68AR4AcAABAAAAJQAAAFJFOiBJIHdhbnQgdG8gYnVpbGQg b2JzZXJ2YXRpb24gaGl2ZQAAAAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABvF5ctqPeTqIKyhoR0JLaREVTVAAAAAAe AB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AHwwBAAAAFAAAAENoYXJsZXNAQXBlbGVvbi5uZXQAAwAGEOwk dNIDAAcQyQAAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAFRIQU5LUy0tLS0tT1JJR0lOQUxNRVNTQUdFLS0tLS1GUk9N OkFTQ0hFU05JQ0tTTVRQOkNIRVNUTklDQE1BSUxDVk5ORVRTRU5UOlNVTkRBWSxNQVkxMSwxOTk3 NDo0MFBNVE8AAAAAAgEJEAEAAACLBQAAhwUAALANAABMWkZ1plfptgMACgByY3BnMTI1cjIMYGMx AzABBwtgbpEOEDAzMw8WZmUPkk8B9wKkA2MCAGNoCsBzhGV0AtFwcnEyAACSKgqhbm8SUCAwAdCF AdA2D6AwNTA0FCHzAdAUEDR9B20CgwBQA9T7Ef8TC2IT4RRQE7IY9BTQrwcTAoACkQjmOwlvMBrf +mUOMDUcCh0hHN8d6Rv0/x4SHH8gTyANH48dvxwPEGD8Mjgl2ibxJq8nuRv0J+K/Jk8qHyndKV8n jytUOQ5QHy6kMAEoIzAAAoJzdHnqbAeQaAngdAAAE1AD8FBkY3RsCrFcMlhhmGRqdTFwBRBnaAVC OxYyDAFjCcAyYAMwc258ZXgXMAewBbAAwAJzc7EAUHNiMhRQMWBhE/D0XGsJ4HALkDI/MqMIYOsy kAuAZTGgdjlgAUAzm78MMDRkKAA3QASgC4BnJ/HpNOZiYRcQZAIgNaA1Rucx0DOQO5EgMTEzDlA2 n/83rzi/AFE5/ACgNG48fz2G/zEkD8A+jz+fQK8OUDnvQw/bRB89szMCghMQYzZgS6GTM5A9sHRp OZAgRAEQqGF1bAVAUArAYQnA4GFwaCBGAiE2JCVA6GZpLQ+QOAFAOTBQM+tHDzKjYgsgcglQUlIW oNlSUnc0JUEXAHAB0E1yfzO/Sp9Lpk/QTpAFEAIwLUNPMANhOiBUb1ewUyh1YmoFkHRXsERh6HRl OjYkNk//UQ9SH/9TL1Q5McA9ow4hS6E6tg5Qm1VvVn5SOYEXASBIPZH7BJA2JDdZb1p/W49cnTkP L12/D5BpcAjQYgqwdDj/SfoPVEYQX79gxmoAYdALULx5L09AXLALEWJFczYk/ygAYz9kT2VfXK9U T2tfbG/vbXVX0ld0WKk5b78zPwMwHWmzOXOfdK96oERvY/51B4ACMAXQTwAaAXjSeDD3eHBxUQGA blgwAGAJ8E2g730AAgE14F5SZQDwfQAxgJJwHoBcdgiQd2sLgP5ka0CAogTwB0AQYQFADgDvcSI9 goIFAhBvBUIXIRLyDVjAbQtRWMAgQzpc6lxXAG9O4W1PMAMQB5BNhLBNDeADYHNvAYAgrk8BIA3g f/BchmZFAMD1AxAuS3B0fdAXEHhwNSHtZ3J4AUB/AW4x0BrwiAQ9TjRjAyAS8wCABZBsdv9BoUbQ DnA14IqSAZAAIIsi/4DxfUEBwYqRFuAPcAAARtDzDNABkCAuGhKKiA5Qi0L/TnB4wIu/jM+N3w/A RtAFgbePf5CPkZ9sa0BG0GyPP/uT/5UFKY4MJUCS35e/lPT4YiAoApGY34rTWVCWj/+bT5xfnW+L AGMQnrKLj6Af/6EvjgwoAJ6/pD+lT6ZfiwD/eACjP6jPqd+q5Ar5AzB4L5N5P3rNe1SUoWtzCoX/ CoWvpIhiraKwj7GfCME08mM1oBLyYmtts+CswiCOX32AAxBYoWF9Lbnyfk+yQQuAB0AF0AeQRlBn /mW587R7sAZi/W8gta9wv/9xz2c/aE9pX2pvs0S39ldzwQyCIEEuUy6EgDHQAzVQDeBrIFtTTVS8 UDoW0AeQfqAN4ECHc5Bjdm4uNWB0Xbuf/7ykbru9377vv/9yv7LMDCG/uAUGYAIwxoQaItEldX8Q qGF5LH1xeT3wMdMgwS/wOTcgNDoUUE6QHk20dtDZV9HR3UJFRQAtTEBDTlNJQgBNLkFMQkFOWfAu RURV1I/Solg00d0zYdBXsEkgbZB9UXRvmCBidQMQNSBvYhcQ9HJ2WLBpAiA9cE3hyY8/sEK1b7Z/ z4+zU9hHVHIh02BiaXJrMaB5J/kEIHdlqkAKsLsgPXE9cF9LQOOQD1EEIH9xIJVQM84tA1CFIBOA b2gCkLh2R38BuUm0dn0AAOfwAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAAADAIAQ/////0AABzCgHd+yXF68AUAA CDCgHd+yXF68AQsAAIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAOFAAAAAAAAAwACgAggBgAAAAAAwAAA AAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADAAWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAAtw0AAB4AJYAIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABAAAADguMAADACaACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAB hQAAAAAAAAsAL4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAAAwAwgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAADADKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAAAB4AQYAIIAYAAAAA AMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADaFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAEKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAA AQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgBDgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQAB AAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwANNP03AADPzQ== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5E2A.74DFE980-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:46:20 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "A.S. Chesnick" Organization: Magnetic Resonance Consultant Subject: Re: I want to build observation hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit your welcome ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:48:52 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adony Melathopoulos Subject: Re: I want to build observation hive Comments: To: Charles Hatton In-Reply-To: <01BC5E29.ADBAC5A0@s03.cs00.Io.apeleon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII All last year the American Bee Journal ran a column on observation hives. A design for a 3 or 4 frame model appears in the January issue. For the Ferrari of observation hives and what can be done with them check out both Karl von Frisch's The Dance Language and Orientation of Bees, and Tom Seely's wonderful The Wisdom of the Hive. Cheers Adony On Sun, 11 May 1997, Charles Hatton wrote: > I would like to build an observation beehive. Does anyone have a good design or know of where on the web to get one? > > Charles > Charles@Apeleon.net > *********************************** ** Adony P. Melathopoulos ********* *** Center for Pest Management **** **** Simon Fraser University ****** ***** Burnaby, British Columbia *** ****** Canada, V5A-1S6 ************ *********************************** Tel : (604) 291-4163 Fax : (604) 291-3496 e-mail : melathop@sfu.ca "The pursuit of agriculture promotes the strength of the mind as well as the body" - Rev. John L. Blake, 1853 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:52:37 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Charles Hatton Subject: Re: I want to build observation hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC5E2B.BE93E760" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5E2B.BE93E760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't find the address for their home page. Can you help? -----Original Message----- From: A.S. 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ROSSMAN" Organization: ROSSMAN APIARIES,INC. Subject: Re: Book: "Following the Bloom" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Cronshaw, D.C. wrote: > > I just finished reading this book by Douglas Whynott. I read it cover to > cover in one reading session. It was so interesting that I couldn't put it > down. > > I highly recommend reading for those who think that commercial beekeeping > is all fame and glory. Far from it. > > I am curious if anyone on this list knows if some of the main characters in > his book: Andy Card, Bill Hurd, Tom Emde, Reggie Wilbanks, Horace Bell,or > Joe Romance are still moving bees these days? Are they still around to > face the latest menace: the AHB? > > 6 years have passed since "Following the Bloom" was first published. I > would like to see Mr Whynott (or another knowledgeable person) write a > sequel to this book that deals with the spread of varroa and now the > invasion of the AHB (AKA"Brazilian" or abejas furiosas") . His book was > written just prior to the 1990 invasion of the AHB into Texas. > > Mr Whynott writes in the opening chapter of his book, > > "Questions arise: As the Africanized bee moves into the United States, > will migratory beekeepers be able to travel? Can they afford the > liability insurance? Will they cause the spread of killer bees or will > they in fact control their movement? A broader question involves > pollination. If hobbyist beekeepers quit in fear of "abejas furiosas", and > if commercial beekeepers are bankrupted, how will the food economy be > affected? What about those billions of dollars' worth of bee-pollinated > crops?" > > Like the healthcare business (Eg. Columbia buying up hospitals) , it > appears that the big commercial beekeepers will keep getting bigger. Also > I have noted, with the rise in price of honey and pollination fees > (Almonds went from $35 to $42) and shortage of hive parts, there has been > an increasing demand for bees in the pollination business. Are we > beginning to see an increase in the number of hobbyist beekeepers or have > the commercial beekeepers just expanded/merged to keep pace with the > demand? > > Mr. Whynott writes in the last chapter of his book: > > "The commercial beekeeper, like Hurd, would not only kill off a hive of > Africanized bees, he would replenish it with gentler stock. The hobbyist > beekeeper, one of that other 99 percent of beekeeping population, would > also be likely to kill off the Africaniaed colony, but chances are that he > would not soon replenish the hive. Chances are that the hobbyist beekeeper > would quit beekeeping. The beekeeping population would thus decrease by > one beekeeper and one of several hives. It's likely that as the > Africanized bee moves through Texas and Louisiana, many beekeepers and > their hives will drop along the way. At least that's the way things > happened in Latin America." > > Has this been happening across the Southern States of the US? > > He goes on to predict: > > "People like Hurd, Card, Embe, Wilbanks, and Bell are the ones who can > respond to the spread of Africanized bees, and will curtail them. Not > because it's in their interest, but because they're the most able" > > Will it be the commercial beekeepers, or education of the Hobbyist > beekeeper that will be most able to deal with this AHB invasion? > > It is amazing how the reading of one book can make someone start thinking > about the future. Lets hope it is a bright one for the American Beekeeper. > > Paul Cronshaw, D.C. > Cyberchiro and Hobbyist Beekeeper > Santa Barbara, CA USA PAUL; YOU ASK THE QUESTION IF ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE LISTED IN THE BOOK WERE STILL AROUND. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THEY ARE ALL STILL KEEPING BEES AND PRODUCING HONEY, POLLINATING, AND SHIPPING PACKAGE BEES AND QUEENS. OF COURSE EACH ONE YOU MENTIONED HAVE A DIFFERENT PHASE OF THE INDUSTRY THEY WORK IN. AS FOR HOW THE AHB IS GOING TO BE STOPPED IT IS GOING TO BE UP TO ALL WHO HAVE BEES TO HELP CURTAIL THE PROGRESS OF THAT BEE. OF COURSE THE COMMERCIAL BEEKEEPER WILL DO HIS BEST BUT IT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE INDUSTRY FOR THE HOBBIST OR PART TIME BEEKEEPER TO TURN TAIL AND RUN. EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP IN THIS SITUATION. YOU MENTIONED A FEW NAMES THAT WERE IN THE BOOK, HOWEVER I HASTEN TO SAY THAT THERE ARE MANY BEEKEEPERS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT FOLLOW THW BLOOM. I TOO WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE CONTINUE WITH A FOLLOWUP TO THE BOOK FRED ROSSMAN ROSSMAN APIARIES ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:03:08 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "A.S. Chesnick" Organization: Magnetic Resonance Consultant Subject: Re: I want to build observation hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it is http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:49:44 -0400 Reply-To: gwalter@massmed.org Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gert-Paul Walter Subject: Re: Burr comb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Burr comb, with honey, is my mid season reward for "helping" the bees. I bring along a container and drop the extra comb in, and my family goes wild over it. Somehow it tastes even better than all that honey we extract in the fall. Gert Walter ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:29:07 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Juergen Jaenicke Subject: kamakaze bees One of my hives is a very nasty one. The bees attack anyone that walks in the garden. My wife has given me an ultimatum: Do something or the bees go! We are in the middle of the honey flow. What to do? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:12:06 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vince Coppola Subject: Re: Two problems...need help. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Wolford wrote: > > I just finished adding supers to on hive. During the winter I was feeding > this colony of bees with the bag type feeder which utilizes a small super > that is placed on top of the hive body. Once the bees had finished off the > sacks of sugar water they built comb in the area. Today I scaped the comb > off the top board and placed the comb on top of the top bars of the bee > hive so I could add the queen excluder and my supers. It was pretty messy. > Should have I, or shouldn't have I done this. What are the consequences Consequences- it'll be messy. You could have scaped them onto the ground as long as you know the colonyis disease free. > Also, I have one hive that is queenless and has laying workers. I placed > two frames of brood from a strong hive into this hive. I was told to do > this so they would develop a new queen. I did this about 7 days ago. I > checked today and did not notice any new queen cells. I need some help on The bees recognize the laying workers as queen and will not build q cells. They would be inferior anyhow. The only way I have been able to consistantly resolvle this problem is to introduce a queenright nuc to the laying worker colony. It can be just a 2 frame nuc, if the colony is strong n number. If weak treat it as a dead out and introduce a 4 frame nuc. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:33:49 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vince Coppola Subject: Re: Sticky Board to sample Mite populations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Cronshaw, D.C. wrote: > Has anyone on this list had success with using a sticky Board to sample Mite populations? Yes, this is a fairly standard method and as far as I know the most sensistive. You use an Apistan strip for every 5 frames of bees. If there are mites you will have some on the board by the next day. Actually , if there are many mites , you will probably see some in within 15 minites. > Are there other quick and easy ways to sample mites? Ether in a jar Method? Either roll is much easier but not as sensitive. This is the method I use to get an idea of what the levels are. It does not require a return visit to the apiary. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 23:26:24 -0700 Reply-To: mwr@hotcity.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Reddell Subject: Re: Golden Bee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian R Tucker wrote: > > I read in the book The Hive and The Honeybee that there is a italian strain > that is almost all golden it has only alittle bit of black in the end of it's > abdomen. does anyone known if anyone in the states sell this golden bee? > This sounds like 'Cordovan' Italians. The normally black parts are a reddish brown, giving the entire bee a gright golden appearance. I have several colonies and really like them. It's a recessive trait and tends to disappear when the bees supercede the queen (unless most of the available drone stock is cordovan too.) Glenn Apiaries [(619)728-3731] in the San Diego area breeds and sells them and CF Koehnen and Sons [(916)891-5216] up near Chico does too. Mine are from Glenn, and I know people with Koehnen stock, and both are good. They both advertise in the journals. Michael Reddell mwr@hotcity.com http://www.hotcity.com/~mwr ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:08:59 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Sticky Board to sample Mite populations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Cronshaw, D.C. wrote: > Has anyone on this list had success with using a sticky Board to sample > Mite populations? > Are there other quick and easy ways to sample mites? Ether in a jar Method? > We use an open bottom, wired. And the possibillety to shove a board under it. on the file http://www.xs4all.nl/`jtemp/dronemethod.html you find: The number of mites in a hive (during brood season) can be found by counting them on the bottom sheet in one day and multiplying that by 50. If there are no more than 10 mites a day, it is not likely that the mites do measureable harm. -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:39:11 +0900 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: j h & e mcadam Subject: Re: Golden Bee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brian Tucker wrote: >I read in the book The Hive and The Honeybee that there is a italian strain >that is almost all golden it has only alittle bit of black in the end of it's >abdomen. does anyone known if anyone in the states sell this golden bee? The golden italian is one end of the spectrum of the Ligurian strain which in nature varies from tan leather to almost golden red. Some breeders have produced these as a speciality line but they are selecting for beauty rather than other qualities. On Kangaroo Island, the Ligurian bee sanctuary, there is considerable variation in markings amongst the naturalized Ligurian population but I find the darker queens are consistently better survivors and honey producers. Betty McAdam HOG BAY APIARY Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island j.h. & e. mcadam Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Andrew & Judy Weinert Subject: Beginning bee book for Southern Australia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The cooper's asked about beginning in Bees There are 2 books put out by respective departments of agriculture in Tasmania and Victoria. The titles are surprise surprise Bee keeping in Tasmania and Bee keeping in Victoria. You might try the South Australian DPI as well If you want more info please email me regards Andrew ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:10:17 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: William G Lord Subject: commercial bk photos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bee-liners; I will be making a trip to Bulgaria next month for a follow-up visit with a beekeeper I worked with last year who is converting from large Dadant-Blatt hives to Langstroth. He has several thousand hives and is adapting to a less labor intensive managment system. I am looking for sources of photographs of everyday commercial beekeeping operations - either hard copies or via cyberspace. I will either print the images or order the books as he does not have e-mail or www access. Any tips on sources will be appreciated. Bill Lord Louisburg, NC -- William G Lord E-Mail : wglord@franklin Internet: wglord@franklin.ces.ncsu.edu Phone : 9194963344 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:31:49 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Wout Subject: Re: Looking for BEE SKEPS I believe that you can get bee skeps from Mann-Lake. Their number is 800-233-6663. Ted Wout Red Oak, TX ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:31:52 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Wout Subject: Re: Recycling Duragilt foundation Paul Cronshaw, D.C. wrote: >>I agree. However, past the first generation the cells will darken from left over cocoons thereby making egg detection a little easier. Perhaps Mann-Lake could make the plastic a darker color. Do you think the bees would care if if the plastic foundation is white or black background? :)<< I believe that one of the plastic foundation makers, it could be Permadent or Plasticell, makes a black plastic foundation specifically for queen breeders who graft eggs. The black plastic makes it easier to see the eggs and remove them. I'm not sure if the bees care about the color. Has anyone tried this? Ted Wout Red Oak, TX ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:39:37 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: James P Parkman Subject: Re: kamakaze bees In-Reply-To: <970511222753_942322352@emout02.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 May 1997, Juergen Jaenicke wrote: > One of my hives is a very nasty one. > The bees attack anyone that walks in the garden. My wife has given me an > ultimatum: Do something or the bees go! > We are in the middle of the honey flow. What to do? > Juergen: Have you considered divorce? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:11:55 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: _Following_the_Bloom_ characters and futures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Paul Cronshaw queried about some of the characters in _Following_the_Bloom_ and also about the impact of AHB on the future of migratory beekeeping in the US. I got into a bidding war with Andy Card over a framed, date of first issue bee stamp at the ABF conference in Norfolk last January. Andy is alive and well and bigger in life than he is in the book! He is also bankrolled far better than I. Reggie Wilbanks I believe was also in attendance. Concerning the spread of AHB, it has not spread as far or as quickly into the US as was prophesied, but only time will tell. AHB's effect in Latin and South America was initially one of great impact - many beekeepers got out of it, but the industry is rebounding as beekeepers learn to work with the AHB, both through handling and breeding. There is promise with hybridized strains of the AHB. Unfortunately in the wild, AHB has been the dominate strain. The bees are more aggressive in competition with their European counterparts when it comes to foraging and the drones are more aggressive when it comes to mating with virgin queens. Hence the AHB genes are more likely to get passed on than the European genes. The potential to spread AHB through migratory beekeeping practices is undeniable and the migratory beekeepers are not ones to take quarantines lying down. I doubt that Varroa would have spread as it did without the help of a few semis. But who knew? The best we can do is keep an eye out for aggressive strains, either requeen with a gentler queen or cull that stock altogether and hope that the migratories do the same. It seems that the solution to the new problems confronting beekeeking (mites and AHB) is to become better beekeepers! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:43:01 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sorry to bother the list with a test, but this is a test. Please ignore. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:15:49 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert E Neely Subject: Re: List Problems Al, It appears that "JUNO" has been having Overload problems lately. I have noticed this with JUNO to JUNO as well as JUNO to AOL and JUNO to COMPUSERVE. This is most obvious during peak times of day. Bob Neely neely-bee@juno.com On Thu, 8 May 1997 23:11:04 EDT Albert W Needham writes: >Is anyone else having a problem getting their messages >posted to the List in the last few days? > >Twice, today, I posted two messages by request of >P-O Gustafsson, as he was having problems posting messages. > >To the best of my knowledge these messages >did not make it on to the List. P-O reports seeing other >messages, but these that I posted on his behalf.There >have also been a couple of other messages posted by >myself, that I do not believe made it. > >Yes, I am familiar with the automatic acknowledgement >sent by BEE-l. I have not always been getting it of late. > >Thanks, > >Al, > >Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com >Author Of "The HoneyBee"--An Educational Program >Check Out " The Amazing BeeCam " At: >http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:37:44 GMT Reply-To: Tim_Sterrett@westtown.edu Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tim Sterrett Organization: Westtown School Subject: Re: kamakaze bees Discussion of Bee Biology,BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU,Internet writes: One of my hives is a very nasty one. The bees attack anyone that walks in the garden. We are in the middle of the honey flow. What to do? ********** You might want to try a curtain of some material around the hive to make the bees fly up over the curtain and away to forage. They should return at the same altitude and drop down to the entrance. The curtain only has to be solid enough to deter bees from flying through it. You want to create an artificial hedge of cloth, netting, or branches to lift the flight path above people's heads. Tim Tim Sterrett Westtown, (Southeastern) Pennsylvania, USA tim_sterrett@westtown.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:21:19 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "P. Aras et M. Boily" Subject: Re: ANTS IN THE HIVE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Sun, 11 May 1997 08:11:55 -0600 Eric Abell > writes: > >At 02:15 AM 09/05/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>I am using a division board feeder and have noticed a bunch of ants > >gathering on top of my inner cover. Any suggestions on how to prevent > this? > >> > >>Jim Meehan > >> > >Kill all the ants in the area. :) > > Eric: > > Glad I am not an ant! Just kidding :-) > > Jim: > > Last year, I believe, there was quite a discussion on ants. > > One idea suggested was to put a container, like maybe > an old film container with small holes (smaller than a > honey bee-obviously) in the cover and put poison inside > & place it under your hive if there is room. There were some > good suggestions for poison. I think one idea involved > using Borax? > > Perhaps whoever suggested the Borax could pop on line > again with the formula or what have you. > > Al, > Eric, assuming by the way your message was formulated that you have only one hive with this problem (or maybe a few), I would suggest you use some kind of physical barrier instead of using poison as any pesticide should be used as the ultimate last ressouce only. One way that comes to mind would be to raise your hive off the ground with a small 4-legged table (wich can be made of recycled scrap material). Each leg goes through an inverted can (opening downward) of which the inside has been coated with grease or any other substance the ants will not cross (not poison, mind you). This brings another question to mind: could the presence of ants, specially their formic acid, be beneficial to a hive, as I have read often of the use of this substance against varroa mites? Of course I am assuming (once again) that the ants limit themselves to the feeder. Phil. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:47:41 +0200 Reply-To: beeman@kuai.se Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: P-O Gustafsson Subject: Re: commercial bk photos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I am looking for sources of > photographs of everyday commercial beekeeping operations - either hard > copies or via cyberspace. I will either print the images or order the > books as he does not have e-mail or www access. Any tips on sources will > be appreciated. > Hi Bill, I have some pictures on my homepage that might be useful. You are free to copy and use them for non commersial purposes, like teaching. -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@kuai.se http://www.kuai.se/~beeman/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:15:04 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Jetzt auch in Deutsche Sprache Wie man Varroamilben fdngt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jetzt auch in Deutsche Sprache Wie man Varroamilben f=E4ngt http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/drohnenDLD.html Ein neue Methode, ohne Chemicalian/ S=E4uren. --=20 Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:24:50 -0500 Reply-To: snapshot@pbmo.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "M. C. Michel" Organization: Snap Shot Subject: Re: Plastic in the hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------72E4F45E979C4166F45E5B88" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------72E4F45E979C4166F45E5B88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim Flottum wrote: > The June issue of Bee Culture magazine has an article not on fixing > duragilt, > but on all makes of plastic foundation, frames and mixed products. > Dick > Bonney has compiled a significant collection and explains the > similarities, > and differences in them, then shows costs and the like. Although Dick > is a > dyed in the wool wood and wax user, he has done an admirable job of > staying > neutral on the subject. This sounds Exactly what I was wanting information on. Does anyone have a copy of this article? I have requested a copy of this magazine but as yet it has not arrived. If anyone would mind, please email me or fax 573-785-5557. Thanks! M. 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Greg ______________________________________________________________ Greg Hankins Montgomery Herald ghankins@ac.net Troy, North Carolina Voice: (910)576-6051 Fax: (910)576-1050 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:12:45 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Greg Hankins Subject: Re: old syrup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >We have driven off alcohol by heating the drum a bit with a torch, but >have wondered if there is damage to the syrup, and don't do that any more. What's the rule, BTW, on heating syrup? Seems I read somplace that boiling the syrup is not good for the bees, but I can't recall why -- or where I read it. Greg ______________________________________________________________ Greg Hankins Montgomery Herald ghankins@ac.net Troy, North Carolina Voice: (910)576-6051 Fax: (910)576-1050 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:33:11 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Steve Heizer Subject: Re: ANTS IN THE HIVE In-Reply-To: <33774329.3693@montrealnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:21 AM 5/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >> On Sun, 11 May 1997 08:11:55 -0600 Eric Abell >> writes: >> >At 02:15 AM 09/05/97 -0400, you wrote: >> >>I am using a division board feeder and have noticed a bunch of ants >> >gathering on top of my inner cover. Any suggestions on how to prevent >> this? >> >> >> >>Jim Meehan Jim: A 50:50 paste of borax and icing sugar shoved into SMALL plastic straws (so bees can't get at it but ants can - and leave a space at each end of the straw) and placed over the hive on the inner cover is effective. It has the added satisfaction of the ants bringing the borax back to the offending ant colony and 'dealing' with it rather than broadcasting poison more generally. Steve Heizer Ladysmith, BC CANADA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:14:02 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dusty Rhodes Subject: Re: Recycling Duragilt foundation In-Reply-To: <199705120832_MC2-1664-6432@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am certainly not an authority on bees, however, as dark as the inside of a closed hive would be, I can not imagine that color would make any difference to the bees what so ever. However, I was wrong once last year, so could bee in error. Dusty > >>>I agree. However, past the first generation the cells will darken from >left >over cocoons thereby making egg detection a little easier. > >Perhaps Mann-Lake could make the plastic a darker color. Do you think the >bees would care if if the plastic foundation is white or black background? The black plastic makes it easier to see the eggs >and remove them. I'm not sure if the bees care about the color. > Angel's Old Town HomeBrew http://www.netropolis.net/dusty/homebrew.htm Beauty is in the hands of the beerholder! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:15:07 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: RICHARD BARNES Subject: Single brood chamber slowing swarming? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I live in South Central Oklahoma USA. Facts: I use only one brood chamber per hive. I rob the hives in late october and also take the 2 side frames out of the brood chamber and extract them. I place 2 extracted frames back into the hive and place an extracted super above for the bees to clean out. The cotton bloom is not complete for about 2-3 weeks after I do the extracting. I place feeders and pollen substitute on in late february and place honey supers on in late march. I will have 1-2 supers of extractable honey by June 1 if we have rain and wild flowers. I get a total of 3-5 supers per hive each year depending on summer rain and the flow in the area. I treat for mites in february with strips and putting peppermint oil in the syrup I am feeding. My bees are italians purchased from various suppliers. Other beekeepers in the area that use 2 brood chambers claim their hives in this area give swarms starting in early April. My hives don't swarm until late May or early June. I still get about the same amount of honey as the other beekeepers in the area. Question: Does my using smaller brood area and giving the bees less winter food slow down the swarming by 1-2 months? Richard Barnes rbarnes@halnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:33:55 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Juergen Jaenicke Subject: kamakazee Bees One of my hives has turned nasty. There will always be a couple of suicidal meniac bees that will follow you around tryng to sting you. No good for grandchildren playing in the garden or wife weeding. Wife has issued ultimatum: "Do something!" The honey flow is on, what can I do at this point? Reply to jjimker@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:12:59 -0700 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: ANTS IN THE HIVE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boric acid powder (mixed with powdered sugar) is what is usually used to combat both ants and roaches. Does borax also work or is boric acid being confused with borax? The ants take it back to the colony and feed it to the queen. Works great. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:51:59 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Steve Heizer Subject: borax/boric acid/ in reference to bee hives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Now, my chemistry is rusty, but I believe borax (sodium borate) is a salt of boric acid. I believe boric acid is derived from borax. I have used borax as ant poison, and hope that I am not revealing myself as a fool by admitting it. I even use 20 Mule Train Boraxo. (Are those faint gales of laughter in the background?) I must admit I have never actually seen a defunct ant nest (I comfort myself with the image), but I have imagined that the ant infestation in my hives has abated after application... Can anybody clarify the effect or either compound? Steve Heizer ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:35:30 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Greg & Melinda Holley Subject: "free" bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have the chance to attempt getting two feral hives. One is in an old wood sided house. There are several holes where the bees are going in and out. I thought about trying to stop up all the holes ,but one and use a screen funnel and hive. Is this possible on an older house or am I just wasting my time? The second one is a colony in a dead tree that is low to the ground. Should I just cut the tree and bring it home and then get the bees or should I use a different method? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:07:27 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert E Neely Subject: Re: LONG LIVE BEE-L Way to go Dusty. Bob Neely Goose Creek, SC On Fri, 9 May 1997 19:51:33 -0500 Dusty Rhodes writes: >I'm new and I LOVE BEE-L. >Let's cut this thread and get back to BEES ! > >PLEASE >Dusty > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 07:54:55 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Trevor Weatherhead Subject: Re: Bee book for southern Australia Try Gordon or Alan Redpath at:- Redpath's Bee Supplies 193 Como Parade East Parkdale vic 3195 Phone 03 95875950 Fax 03 95875960 Their father had written an excellent book on beekeeping and coming from Victoria should suit your region. They were arranging to have it updated and reprinted. Check with them to see if this has been done. Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:03:33 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Faith Andrews Bedford Subject: Value of pollination needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Fellow Beekeepers, I am writing an article on beekeeping for a national womens' magazine and need to check a fact. In the first draft of the article I say, "But America=92s crops are in danger. Mites are decimating the honeybee popula= tion. Many fruits and vegetables depend on bees for pollination---over five billion dollars worth each year---yet the wild bees have all but disappea= red. " Now, I got that fact from somewhere, but cannot remember just where. What= is important is does anyone now if that is correct. Or could it be more? S= ix billion? Seven? I would appreciate any input into this. Who knows, it might encourage some more people to go into beekeeping, if only do help d= o their patriotic duty. Thanks,=20 Faith Andrews Bedford, Beekeeper, Ivy VA and Tampa ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:41:05 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Greg Hankins Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" search 'nuc' and 'fall' and 'increase' in bee-l ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:46:21 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Greg Hankins Subject: Apologies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Please excuse the misdirested seach request that preceded this message. BTW, I find the ability to search the BEE-L database very very valuable. Much thanks to whomever is responsible for this service. Greg ______________________________________________________________ Greg Hankins Montgomery Herald ghankins@ac.net Troy, North Carolina Voice: (910)576-6051 Fax: (910)576-1050 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:59:44 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jean-Marie Van Dyck Subject: Y a-t-il un (parlant) francais dans la salle ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all bee-liners ! This doesn't matter if you aren't "french speaking" ... sorry, delete this BEE-L mail ! Even so, Allen, be(e) kind, post it on Best-of-Bee. TIA.:-) Regard Jean-Marie A tous les francophones de la liste BEE-L ... Je ne peux pas croire que depuis des annees, il n'y a qu'un seul (parfois 2 ou 3) apiphile(s) francais affilie' a cette liste : c'est en tout cas le r=E9sultat de l'examen de la liste des adherants classe's par pays que l'on obtient en effectuant la commande "REVIEW BEE-L COUNTRIES". Bien sur, je sais, Gilles, Marie-Christine, Christian, certains affilie's sont comme vous "citoyens du monde" par leur serveur CompuServe, mais leur nombre reste confidentiel. Comme j'estime que cette liste-forum est extremement interessante pour diverses raisons (dont la moindre n'est pas la transmission rapide d'informations apicoles de premiere main), il me semble necessaire d'envisager la creation d'une liste parallele francophone qui serait, non pas concurrente, mais complementaire de BEE-L. Cela permettrait ainsi a des collegues "unilingues francophones", souvent hommes de terrain, partout dans le monde, de participer a nos echanges. Pratiquement, ce forum pourrait etre gere' sur l'ordinateur Alpha de notre site, en tout cas pour quelques annees, au moyen d'un serveur Majordomo. S'il vous plait ... pourriez-vous (envoyer a "MON ADRESSE" ci-dessous pas a BEE-L ni a BEST-OF-BEE, pas de REPLY, merci) ... 1/ faire savoir que vous etes francophone (quel pays ou contre'e?) affilie's a BEE-L : je transmettrai la liste a chacun des repondants. 2/ faire connaitre vos commentaires eventuels. 3/ signaler que, anglophone parfait, vous avez la possibilite' (le loisir, l'envie) de servir, le cas echeant, de LIEN entre BEE-L et ce forum a creer pour transmettre rapidement, en anglais sur BEE-L, une information ou echange interessant ou important introduit sur, disons : ABEILLES. Merci d'avance ... Encore attention : pas REPLY mais SEND a jean-marie.vandyck@fundp.ac.be Jean-Marie =46acultes Universitaires Notre-Dame de la Paix - Namur - Belgique ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:15:40 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "HELP" Subject: Re: kamakazee Bees In a message dated 12/05/97 21:50:24, you write: << One of my hives has turned nasty. There will always be a couple of suicidal meniac bees that will follow you around tryng to sting you. No good for grandchildren playing in the garden or wife weeding. Wife has issued ultimatum: "Do something!" The honey flow is on, what can I do at this point? >> The Aebi's wrote an excellent book - I don't have the title to hand, and a snippet of advice from it that I have passed on many times for this kind of situation, is to hang up on a line near the hives, or near where the people are normally in the garden, some old clothes belonging to the people of the house. The bees get used to the site of clothes flapping in the wind, and also the odour. So that when you walk down the garden, they pay much less attention. Good luck. Matthew J Allan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:25:03 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Malcolm Tom Sanford, Extension Apiculturist" Subject: Bee Keeping for Scout Camp Comments: To: Apis-L@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you can respond to this request, please do so individually and not by replying to the list. Thank you. Tom Sanford >Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 00:03:42 -0400 (EDT) >From: TheFeet97@aol.com >Subject: Bee Keeping for Scout Camp >Resent-to: sanford1@aix.pacwan.net >To: mts@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU >Resent-message-id: <01IIN97TYXWK8WX4YD@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU> >X-VMS-To: IN%"mts@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU" > >Dear Mr. Sanford, >Hi. I am an 18 year old Eagle Scout from outside Chicago. I'm attempting to >begin bee-keeping at my Scout Camp in northern Wisconsin. I was wondering if >you knew anyone who would be able to help me out, who lives in the Northern >Wisconsin area. >Also, because my camp is restricted to a limited budget, I am looking for >people who would either be willing to donate equipment or sell equipment at a >discount price. >I would greatly appreciate any help you could offer! >Thank you very much. >Sincerely, >Michael Foote >Boy Scout Troop 9 >e-mail: thefeet97@aol.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:25:22 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Malcolm Tom Sanford, Extension Apiculturist" Subject: Re: IL beekeepers? Comments: To: Herb Trace Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Herb, Try the bee-l list; I am trying to send this there too, but I have been knocked off the list and can't get back on.. Tom Sanford At 07:33 PM 5/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >Can I get a list of Illinois beekeepers or agencies that are interested in bees. > >There are none listed in the Chicago Telephone Directories. > >Herb Trace, MD >747 Michigan Av. >Evanston IL 60202 >T:847 475 3461 >F:847 475 4458 > >Northwestern University >Evanston, IL. USA >h-trace@nwu.edu > > ==================================================== Dr. M.Tom Sanford Professor and Extension Apiculturist Entomology-Nematology, University of Florida Box 110620 Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Temporarily at: 23 Blvd. de la Republique No. 8 13100 Aix-en-Provence, France ph 33-04-42-93-16-47 email: mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu =================================================== Publisher of APIS on the web at: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm =================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:41:13 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ingrid Chesnick Subject: Re: beginning bee book & when do I put on my first honey super? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try the ABC's and XYZ's of beekeeping ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:10:30 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kuyckx Maurice Subject: Re: Looking for BEE SKEPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:34 10/05/97 -0500, you wrote: >Reply-to: Discussion of Bee Biology >From: Kirk Jones > >Just wanted to thank everyone that responded to my request for information >about St. Ambrose. I am planning a St. Ambrose Day celebration June 28th. > >I am now looking for a (Wholesale) source of good quality bee skeps for >my bee theme garden and shop.I thought I would have time to make one >myself but with spring comes the rush. > >Thank you. Sharon > >*Kirk Jones/ Sleeping Bear Apiaries /971 S. Pioneer Rd./Beulah,MI 49617 >*Sharon Jones/ BeeDazzled Candleworks /6289 River Rd./ Benzonia, MI 49616 > e-mail b-man@aliens.com >--- >NB:1.Send replies to the author or BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU - not this list > 2.To unsubscribe, email HoneyBee@systronix.net saying leave BestOfBee > > I'am a new-comer and have not received your E-mail(s) about St.AMBROSE . How can I help You? I've a lot of Books about Our Saint in (my) Dutch Language. We celebrate St.Ambosius each Year the 7th of December. Greetings from Belgium Sig. Maurice . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:49:09 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Hugo Veerkamp Organization: Stichting InterWorld Subject: Europea/Apinet meeting May 97 Maastricht Holland EUROPEA-APINET MEETING 29-31 MAY'97 NL FLASH - NEWS - FLASH! APINET MEETING IN NL EUROPEA INTERNATIONAL 4th GENERAL ASSEMBLY & APINET MEETING IN MAASTRICHT, THE NETHERLANDS Cost: (nl) f 600 per person (= about US$ 300) Meeting & Lodging in kasteel Vaeshaerteit, Maastrich 28MAY Arrival 29MAY Seminar (Contribution of EURO to the improvement of the Image of Agric. Educ. in Europe), Workshops and Poster Sessions 30MAY Europea General Asssembly, Thematic Networks (Apinet) Workshops & Green Pioneers (Europea Youth Organsisation) - future beekeepers? 31MAY Agric/Culture in Limburg Province 01JUN Departure FULL INFORMATION - JOINING INSTRUCTIONS from: Madelon de Beus Email: mdebeus@euronet.nl Tel: +31 73 656 7967 (Voice) Fax: +31 73 656 9765 COPY APPLICATION TO: John Goodman Email: j.m.goodman@csl.gov.uk Tel/Fax: +44 1833 690561 Best Wishes - Hope you can get to the meeting! URGENT: You must contact Madelon de Beus & John Goodman as soon as posssible if you are coming to The Netherlands for the Apinet Meeting so that arrangements can be completed in time. SORRY FOR SHORT NOTICE ... EMAIL PROBLEMS!!! -- \|/ @ @ drs.Hugo Veerkamp ----------oOO-(_)-OOo-------------------------------------- | THE BEE BBS AMSTERDAM THE BEE PAGES | | main Email address: | mail : the Bee bbs | | hug.bee@beenet.iwg.nl | P.O. BOX 51008 | | send (SMALL) files to: | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | | hug.bee@net.hcc.nl | The Netherlands | | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | | http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet | ----------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:49:09 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Hugo Veerkamp Organization: Stichting InterWorld Subject: Apimondia Antwerp second circular dear beefriends! through the concerted efforts of the people of Apimondia, Rome and yours truly, we have prepared translations of the second circular for Apimondia Antwerp in september. In addition to the english version, following pages can now be viewed on 'The Bee Pages' website, Apimondia dept.: * tweede rondschrijven XXXVe Internationaal congres voor Bijenteelt 1997 Antwerpen, Belgie. * seconde circulaire XXXVe congres international d'apiculture 1997 Anvers, Belgique. * registration form for XXXV congress 1997 Antwerp,Belgium Currently the german and spanish versions are being prepared for the web as well. best regards, Hugo -- \|/ @ @ drs.Hugo Veerkamp ----------oOO-(_)-OOo-------------------------------------- | THE BEE BBS AMSTERDAM THE BEE PAGES | | main Email address: | mail : the Bee bbs | | hug.bee@beenet.iwg.nl | P.O. BOX 51008 | | send (SMALL) files to: | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | | hug.bee@net.hcc.nl | The Netherlands | | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | | http://www.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet | ----------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:25:14 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Wout Subject: Re: "free" bees Greg & Melinda Holley wrote: >>I have the chance to attempt getting two feral hives. One is in an old wood sided house. There are several holes where the bees are going in and out. I thought about trying to stop up all the holes ,but one and use a screen funnel and hive. Is this possible on an older house or am I just wasting my time?<< I've just completed a bee removal operation and I think you should go for it. I used a tube of caulk to seal up all of the extra holes. The caulk cost me 98 cents at Home Depot and I already had the caulk gun. It worked very well. I was able to seal up the entrances while the bees were using them. Save one good one that has a good place to mount your cone and suspend your bait hive right in front of the cone. Be sure to have a queenright bait hive. Also be prepared to visit the removal daily for a while because the bees will amaze you with how they can find other entrances. >>The second one is a colony in a dead tree that is low to the ground. Should I just cut the tree and bring it home and then get the bees or should I use a different method?<< I followed advice here on the list to just cut down the tree and seal the top and bottom of the hive section. Take it home and lay it on its side with the etrance facing up. Mount a piece of plywood on the entrance with a hole in it and place a hive body over it. Make the bees go through your box to exit the hive using a bottom board on top. Hopefully, the queen will come up and lay in your box. If she doesn't you can always split the log later. I'm in the middle of this and haven't had the queen come up yet. I'm patient and will wait her out. If she's not up in another week or two, I'll split the log and remove all the comb into frames. Good Luck. Ted Wout Red Oak, TX ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:40:00 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: michaud Subject: pfund color grader Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm looking for the manufacturer's address of the Pfund color grader. If someone could send me it, i would be grateful. Thanks in advance. St=E9phane CAUHAPE, Quality department BERNARD MICHAUD S.A - Juran=E7on - France ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:29:44 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard E Leber Subject: Excellent Reading Comments: To: 103576.3374@compuserve.com I am new to this form of instant communication (E-mail) with individuals scattered around the country and the other side of the globe, but after a couple of weeks reading the traffic on BEE-L there is no hesitation to adding in my two cents worth. Three recent mailings the first requesting titles for reference texts, the next concerning ill tempered hives and the last mentioned 'wave cloths' referencing the Aebi's books have provided the opportunity for my first input. I have both "The Art & Adventure of BEEKEEPING" and "Mastering the Art of BEEKEEPING" by Ormond and Harry Aebi (signed and dated by the authors). I can highly recommend, and often do, the excellent reading of both of these 'down home story' books with their parables. They are out-of-print, but can be found in our public library here in Mobile, Alabama and I am sure available through many library systems. If you want to add "The Art & ..." to your reference stack the only option is to write Ormond and request a autographed copy ( if I remember right less than $20, hard cover, 180 pages). Contact: Ormond Aebi, 710 17th Avenue, Santa Cruz, California 95062 Telephone 408-475-2065 Rick Leber, Beekeeping Since 1987 Mobile, Alabama ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:52:28 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Doug Yanega Subject: Re: Value of pollination needed Comments: cc: FAITHAB@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Reply-to: Discussion of Bee Biology >From: Faith Andrews Bedford > >I am writing an article on beekeeping for a national womens' magazine and >need to check a fact. In the first draft of the article I say, "But >America's crops are in danger. Mites are decimating the honeybee >population. Many fruits and vegetables depend on bees for >pollination---over five billion dollars worth each year---yet the wild >bees have all but disappeared. " > >Now, I got that fact from somewhere, but cannot remember just where. What >is important is does anyone now if that is correct. Or could it be more? >Six billion? Seven? I would appreciate any input into this. Who knows, >it might encourage some more people to go into beekeeping, if only do help >do their patriotic duty. All the gruesome details no doubt appear in "The Forgotten Pollinators", a recent book by Nabhan and Buchmann, which contains all sorts of statistics like this. Doug Yanega Depto. de Biologia Geral, Instituto de Ciencias Biologicas, Univ. Fed. de Minas Gerais, Cx.P. 486, 30.161-970 Belo Horizonte, MG BRAZIL phone: 031-448-1223, fax: 031-44-5481 (from U.S., prefix 011-55) http://www.icb.ufmg.br/~dyanega/ "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:48:19 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Prevention of ants Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" regarding Ants: I use wooden palates or Cement blocks for hive stands. On top I put 4 pie dishes with a 2X4 block of wood surrounded by barrier of used motor oil. Each block of wood is covered with an inverted pie dish to prevent bees from drowing in the oil. Picture two pie dishes sandwiching a block of wood. On top of this I put 4X4s to set the hives on. Ant problem solved unless a grass stalk leans up against the 4X4 creating a ramp for the ants to march into the hives. Someone needs to market a quick and easy hive stand that is ant proof. Any inventors out there? How do the migratory beekeepers keep ants from invading hives if they are just on the pallets? Any other ideas for ANT PROOF hive stands?? Paul Cronshaw DC Cyberchiro and Hobbyist beekeeper Santa Barbara CA USA > On Sun, 11 May 1997 08:11:55 -0600 Eric Abell > writes: > >At 02:15 AM 09/05/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>I am using a division board feeder and have noticed a bunch of ants > >gathering on top of my inner cover. Any suggestions on how to prevent > this? > >> > >>Jim Meehan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:23:57 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Re: BEE REMOVAL In-Reply-To: <199705130403.VAA08202@beach.silcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greg, If you don't want to give yourself extra work of chopping down a tree (unless you need the fire wood) or stripping the siding off a house and rebuilding it, then I would recommend using the wire cone/bait hive method. I have used this method on houses and trees with great success. In fact I am currently taking a nice colony out of an oak tree. Takes about 6- 8 weeks and the colony builds up really quickly because 2 queens are laying. Make sure you seal up the house and tree so that there is not an infestation next year. I use wire, cement or the insulation material that comes in spray cans. This method also saves a feral hive from eventual destruction by the mite. Good luck. Paul Cronshaw DC Cyberchiro and Hobbyist Beekeeper Santa Barbara, CA USA ********** Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:35:30 -0400 From: Greg & Melinda Holley Subject: "free" bees I have the chance to attempt getting two feral hives. One is in an old wood sided house. There are several holes where the bees are going in and out. I thought about trying to stop up all the holes ,but one and use a screen funnel and hive. Is this possible on an older house or am I just wasting my time? The second one is a colony in a dead tree that is low to the ground. Should I just cut the tree and bring it home and then get the bees or should I use a different method? -------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:33:48 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: L M SMITH Subject: Re: I want to build observation hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ferris Apiaries builds a nice furniture grade oak observation hive. Their address is: www.radix.net/~honeybs/ On Sun, 11 May 1997, Charles Hatton wrote: > I would like to build an observation beehive. Does anyone have a good design or know of where on the web to get one? > > Charles > Charles@Apeleon.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:05:27 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Guy Miller Subject: Observation hive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Building or buying an observation hive is easy. Keeping one, is not. I have had one at the Virginia Discovery Museum, a children's museum in Charlottesville, for just over four years. In fact, I have redesigned, and rebuilt it a number of times in those four years, and am now fairly comfortable with the design. The problem is, in my view, that if you have few enough frames (I have a shallow over a deep over a deep) to be able to see what's going on in the hive, you don't have enough for a viable community. I have kept the hive going over the winters, but usually by springtime I'm so embarrassed with the rag-tag look of the thing, that I have to take it home to restock it. Then, later in the spring, when "momma" begins to produce a lot of workers, it gets so crowded that you can't tell who's who, and I have to take it home again to thin it out. The children and the adults all love it, and so do I, in spite of my grousing, but it is a whale of a lot of work to keep it looking right. When it's gone the children miss it, the adults miss it, and so do the museum staff. And you feel guilty for every day your are struggling with it at home. My point in all this, is that it's a lot like parenthood. The first part is easy and quite exciting. Later on it gets difficult, and you really shouldn't get involved unless you're in it for the long pull, and you're prepared for a lot of hard work. Guy F. Miller "Start every day with a smile, and get it over with." Charlottesville. VA W.C. Fields ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:04:16 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Davies Organization: Davies Apiaries / Barry & Freda Subject: Buckfast Queens Comments: To: bee-l@cnsibm.albany.edu. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All Greetings from Eastern Ontario Canada. I have been reading with interest comments of beekeeping from other areas and thought perhaps beekeepers would be interested in colony and weather conditions from here. >From the comments I hear wintering is generally good, however the weather this spring is terrible staying extremely cool with above average precipitation and we are at least 3 weeks behind in springs work. We are presently boxing Nucs which we overwinter and sell in the spring and hope to do the first graft for queens this week. A number of inquiries leads me to clarify some claims concerning the Buckfast Queens. Buckfast is a registered trademark of Dart Abbey Enterprises and in Canada we have 5 Authorized Users and queens from them are the only ones that are Buckfast, bred and selected as Brother Adam intended. Names and Addresses of the 5 Authorized Users are as follows; Barry Davies Rick Neilson RR#1 Seeleys Bay RR#1 Stratton ON. Can. KOH 2NO ON. Can. POW 1NO Ph. 613 387 3171 Ph.807 487 2387 Paul Montoux Don Amirault RR#1 Hagersville 10682 Highway 201 ON. Can. NOA 1HO Meadowvalle RR#6 Ph.905 768 5530 Kingston, NS. Can. BOP 1RO University Of Guelph Guelph ON. Can. N1G 2W1 ( They do not sell queens to the trade) -- Barry RR#1 Seeleys Bay ON. KOH 2NO Tel. 613 387 3171 Buckfast Queens: Buckfast is the registered trademark of Dart Abbey Enterprises Ltd. used under licence by Barry Davies ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 20:33:50 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: bartlett Subject: bee inspection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had the Maryland state bee inspector here today. (southern maryland) We inspected bees at several locations. We did ether rolls on some and drone brood check on others and both on some. Apistan strips had been used on all of my hives early this spring. NO VARROA MITES!!!! billy bee ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 18:46:15 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dennis Subject: B-vac MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been using a modified shop-vac for several years as a 'Bee-vac' = quite sucessfully. The one I have is an inexpensive one with the inlet hose attached to the= top cover, pointing straight down into the canister with no obstructions= . Modification consisted of discarding the small hose that came with the= machine and replacing it with as large a hose as would fit on the inlet= to the machine. (2 1/4" I.D. I think.) This new hose was chosen for = large size and the smoothness of the inside surface. I then placed two = (2) filter papers in place of the single one usually used. The idea is = to have a large volume, low velosity flow of air. The shop-vac (small, cheap, plastic) was about $20.00, and the hose anot= her $15.00. Dennis Morefield Sideline Beekeeper, Oregon, USA denmar@mind.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 02:50:56 -0400 Reply-To: AANA.VAINIO@Helsinki.FI Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aana Vainio HY/MMSEL +358 0 708 5662 Organization: University of Helsinki Subject: Re: Value of pollination needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Many fruits and vegetables depend on bees for pollination---over five billion dollars worth each year---yet the wild bees have all but disappear= ed. Or could it be more? Six billion? Seven? I would appreciate any input into this. Who knows, it might encourage some more people to go into beekeeping, if only do help do their patriotic duty. Hi you overseas again, about honey bees as pollinators, briefly: Robinson et al. (1989, Am.Bee J.) counted that in the USA the value of honey bees as pollinators of commersially grown crops is about 17 % of the total value of the final products (45 % if the indirect influences are taken into account), and in the Europe about 5- 10 % of the value of the all products getting advance of the insect pollination according to Borneck & Merle (1989), and finally in Finland the value of honey bee pollination in commersially grown crops is about 19 % of the total value of the final crop products (Yl=E4outinen 1994). Differences are mainly due to differences in field areas (in the USA huge open field areas where the influence of the natural pollinators is lower, than in the relatively small fields in the EU and Finland), and in my homeland we also have quite a little amount of honey bees and the growers are using pollination services relatively seldom. Greetings Aana Aana Vainio Department of Applied Zoology P.O.Box 27 (Viikki C) FIN-00014 University of Helsinki FINLAND Tel: + 358 9 708 5662 Fax: + 358 9 708 5463 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:18:32 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ratia Gilles Subject: Official Web site for Apimondia Comments: To: Apis-L Diffusion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We would like to remind you that the official Apimondia site is at the following address http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/APISERVICES The site is in two languages: English and French It contains the latest information on the coming congress in Antwerp (1-6= September 1997) - Invitations by the President of APIMONDIA and the President of the XXXVth International Apicutural Congress - The organizing structure - Welcome to Antwerp - Belgium in the heart of Europe - Dates, official languages, themes, events - Submission of papers for presentation - Apiexpo '97 - Didactic exhibition - Contests - Congress registration - Social events - Hotel reservations - Technical visits (Excursion day) - Excursions during the Congress - Pre- and Post-Congress tours - General information - What to do as a future Congress participant? The site also includes: - A word from the President - Introduction to Apimondia - List of member associations - Books published by APIMONDIA - Resolutions from the XXXIV Congress in Lausanne - World honey markets - Bee museums - Information from various countries - Codex Alimentarius - Other beekeeping WEB sites Currently underway : - APIMONDIA Congresses held over the past century - List of medals awarded in Lausanne - 1995 - Executive Committee information - I.I.T.E.A. information - Research centers + scientific programs underway - Analysis laboratories - Beekeeping journals - Gene banks - Beekeeping suppliers - Maps showing the distribution of bee diseases Thank you for your coming visit Gilles RATIA Webmaster ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:17:26 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: NW Mich Hort Res Station Subject: Allergic Reaction to Bees Wax Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Recently we had an inquiry about the possibilty of an allergic reaction to bees wax from external contact. The area involved was around the mouth...the skin was red, swollen and there were some small skin eruptions. Is this possible? Do you know of a specific ingredient producing this reaction? Could it be caused by bacterial, viral or yeast transmission? If BEE-L doesn't have the answer, who would you recommend contacting? Your attention to this inquiry is appreciated. Jackie NW Michigan Horticultural Research Station 6686 S. Center Highway Traverse City, MI 49684 Phone: 616/946-1510 Fax: 616/946-1404 E-mail: nwmihort@msue.msu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:48:59 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIDNITEBEE Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ Greetings! I am told that buckfast queens are sold-out. When are we able to obtain the queens? > From: Barry Davies > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Buckfast Queens > Date: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 12:04 AM > > Hi All > > Greetings from Eastern Ontario Canada. > > I have been reading with interest comments of beekeeping from other > areas and thought perhaps beekeepers would be interested in colony > and weather conditions from here. > > >From the comments I hear wintering is generally good, however the > weather this spring is terrible staying extremely cool with above average > precipitation and we are at least 3 weeks behind in springs work. We > are presently boxing Nucs which we overwinter and sell in the spring > and hope to do the first graft for queens this week. > > A number of inquiries leads me to clarify some claims concerning the > Buckfast Queens. > Buckfast is a registered trademark of Dart Abbey Enterprises and in > Canada we have 5 Authorized Users and queens from them are the > only ones that are Buckfast, bred and selected as Brother Adam > intended. > > Names and Addresses of the 5 Authorized Users are as follows; > > Barry Davies Rick Neilson > RR#1 Seeleys Bay RR#1 Stratton > ON. Can. KOH 2NO ON. Can. POW 1NO > Ph. 613 387 3171 Ph.807 487 2387 > > Paul Montoux Don Amirault > RR#1 Hagersville 10682 Highway 201 > ON. Can. NOA 1HO Meadowvalle RR#6 > Ph.905 768 5530 Kingston, NS. Can. BOP 1RO > > University Of Guelph > Guelph ON. Can. N1G 2W1 > ( They do not sell queens to the trade) > > -- > Barry > RR#1 Seeleys Bay ON. KOH 2NO Tel. 613 387 3171 > Buckfast Queens: Buckfast is the registered trademark of > Dart Abbey Enterprises Ltd. used under licence by Barry Davies ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:47:51 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Faith Andrews Bedford Subject: Re: Prevention of ants In a message dated 97-05-14 02:48:40 EDT, you write: << Someone needs to market a quick and easy hive stand that is ant proof. Any inventors out there? >> I once read an article on the people of a remote tribe in Brazil who, to protect themselves from "man eating ants" devouring them in their beds at night, simply put each leg of their beds into a can of water. The ants would try to get up but fell in the water and drowned. Would not such a things work for a bee stand? Just build one of piping (I have such a one, found at the dump and leftover from heavens knows what) but, since I do not have an ant problem have never put its six legs in cans of water. If I did have a problem, I would give it a try. Faith Andrews Bedford, Ivy VA and Tampa ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:47:57 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Faith Andrews Bedford Subject: Re: Removing bees and good PR In a message dated 97-05-13 15:59:54 EDT,<< Greg & Melinda Holley wrote: >>I have the chance to attempt getting two feral hives. One is in an old wood sided house. There are several holes where the bees are going in and out. I thought about trying to stop up all the holes ,but one and use a screen funnel and hive. Is this possible on an older house or am I just wasting my time?<< And another responents replied: >> I've just completed a bee removal operation and I think you should go for it. I used a tube of caulk to seal up all of the extra holes. The caulk cost me 98 cents at Home Depot and I already had the caulk gun. It worked very well. I was able to seal up the entrances while the bees were using them. Save one good one that has a good place to mount your cone and suspend your bait hive right in front of the cone. Be sure to have a queenright bait hive. Also be prepared to visit the removal daily for a while because the bees will amaze you with how they can find other entrances.>> I want to echo that that worked very well for me only the house was "Ash Lawn-Highland" the home of former president, James Monroe. I had volunteered to be the beekeeper, putting four hives in an outfield for pollination of their "historic" gardens. I sold honey in the shop (Marked "Gathered from the Blossoms at Ash Lawn-Highland....a great marketing gimic) and was happy to give impromptu talks to tourists who might spy my distant hives. One day the manager of the house called to say that there was a swarm in the end of the house and they were worried. I roped off a l0 foot square, placed my bait hive up on a ladder (near the cone) and followed the above procedure (complete with tasteful grey caulking to match the house). Since tourists passed by the area by the hundreds everyday, I hung a large sign on the ladder headlined "WHAT'S GONG ON HERE" and explained the procedure. I figured a screen cone hanging off a house, a large white box on a ladder and a rope barrier was going to attract attention. It did. The staff at the house/museum appreciated the barrier and the explanation ('cuz then they didn't have to explain a dozen times) and we all enjoyed the "educational" aspect of the venture. Five weeks later I got a tweensy little swarm in a box but increased sales of honey at the gift shop. I can just imagine the conversation that might have gone along with the presentaton of such a momento: "Ethel, we got this for you in Virginia. It's real good. We tasted some. But you wouldn't believe where the bees were living! They had to go up and down this little, bitty screen cone......." It was great fun to do, especially since it gave me an opportunity to educate the public one more time about an unusual aspect of bees. On another occasion the local paper came and watched me set up a similar cone-trap in a hollow tree on a private farm. The ensuing article and accompanying photographs were, again, good PR for bees and beekeepers. Moral: Don't do anything without a reporter nearby. No, just kidding, but do try to get as much coverage and publicity for bees and beekeepers s you can. Emphasize the wonderful job they're doing for America with their pollination (patriotic little creatures that they are) and be sure to slip in some reference to their plight and current need for research funds! Faith Andrews Bedford, Ivy VA and Tampa ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:48:16 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Faith Andrews Bedford Subject: Re: Tanging for bee swarms Could the person who wrote the fascinating entry about "tanging" for bee swarms by quoting varous old books on the subject of "coaxing bees back into the hives by ringing bells, etc" please reprint it? I inadvertantly deleted it and wanted to print it out and add it to my files. Thanks alot, Faith Andrews Bedford Beekeeper, Ivy VA and Tampa FL ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:06:57 EDT Reply-To: mnasr@evbhort.uoguelph.ca Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Medhat Nasr Organization: Environ. Biology & Horticulture Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens Comments: To: Barry Davies B-Liners: I hope this message will answer some of the Beekeepers' questions about the authorized Buckfast queen breeders and producers in Ontario and Canadain general. Four out of the five authorized Buckfast beekeepers are involved in Ontario Breeding Program for Tracheal Mite Resistance. These breeders are Barry Davies, Paul Montoux, Rick Neilson and the University of Guelph. Have a great honey season. Medhat Nasr Tech-Transfer Specialist Ontario Beekeepers' Association Guelph, Ontario, Canada > Hi All > > Greetings from Eastern Ontario Canada. > > I have been reading with interest comments of beekeeping from other > areas and thought perhaps beekeepers would be interested in colony > and weather conditions from here. > > From the comments I hear wintering is generally good, however the > weather this spring is terrible staying extremely cool with above average > precipitation and we are at least 3 weeks behind in springs work. We > are presently boxing Nucs which we overwinter and sell in the spring > and hope to do the first graft for queens this week. > > A number of inquiries leads me to clarify some claims concerning the > Buckfast Queens. > Buckfast is a registered trademark of Dart Abbey Enterprises and in > Canada we have 5 Authorized Users and queens from them are the > only ones that are Buckfast, bred and selected as Brother Adam > intended. > > Names and Addresses of the 5 Authorized Users are as follows; > > Barry Davies Rick Neilson > RR#1 Seeleys Bay RR#1 Stratton > ON. Can. KOH 2NO ON. Can. POW 1NO > Ph. 613 387 3171 Ph.807 487 2387 > > Paul Montoux Don Amirault > RR#1 Hagersville 10682 Highway 201 > ON. Can. NOA 1HO Meadowvalle RR#6 > Ph.905 768 5530 Kingston, NS. Can. BOP 1RO > > University Of Guelph > Guelph ON. Can. N1G 2W1 > ( They do not sell queens to the trade) > > -- > Barry > RR#1 Seeleys Bay ON. KOH 2NO Tel. 613 387 3171 > Buckfast Queens: Buckfast is the registered trademark of > Dart Abbey Enterprises Ltd. used under licence by Barry Davies > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:09:19 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Albert W Needham Subject: Re: Prevention of ants On Wed, 14 May 1997 10:47:51 -0400 Faith Andrews Bedford writes: > Just build one of piping (I have such a one, found at >the dump and leftover from heavens knows what) Well. there you go, why buy 'sumpin' when you can scrounge it up at the 'town dump' ?. One problem, most dumps are closing, at least here in the filthy East, by State mandate. Ours only has a couple of years to go. Will miss it, can find great stuff thrown away by the 'yuppies' who can't be bothered with even 'minor fixin'. :-) Al, Al Needham--Scituate,MA,USA--awneedham@juno.com ...............http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/................. A New Kind Of Web Site- *Honey Bees Or Wacky Humor* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:16:18 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mason Harris Organization: SMCOE Subject: We bring out the stars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bee folks! I need a little help. I know sometime in the past, similar information was available on the Bee-L but I don't know when or where. Please help if you can. My bee club has a booth at the county fair every year. The fair people choose a theme we try to incorporate into our booth design every year. This year's theme is "We bring out the stars". A member of our group had the idea of getting photos of famous movie stars who keep bees and putting their head shots on large home made bees to put on a back drop. Here is the request: Can anyone give me a list of movie stars, past or present, who are bee keepers? Not famous people, but famous MOVIE STARS. If you know of any movie stars who keep or kept bees, please e-mail me personally at smharris@ed.co.sanmateo.ca.us. My club and myself thank you for your help! -- Mason Harris, MA (\ SMCOE Educational Audiologist -{ ||| 8- smharris@ed.co.sanmateo.ca.us (/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:40:57 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR Honey Farms Subject: Re: Recycling Duragilt foundation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>I agree. However, past the first generation the cells will darken from > left > over cocoons thereby making egg detection a little easier. > > Perhaps Mann-Lake could make the plastic a darker color. Do you think the > bees would care if if the plastic foundation is white or black background? > :)<< > > I believe that one of the plastic foundation makers, it could be Permadent > or Plasticell, makes a black plastic foundation specifically for queen > breeders who graft eggs. The black plastic makes it easier to see the eggs > and remove them. I'm not sure if the bees care about the color. Has > anyone tried this? > > Ted Wout > Red Oak, TXIt's Pierco that makes the black foundation. Tim Townsend ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:38:56 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "d.murrell" Subject: Styrofoam Hives MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In my country almost everything is made of styrofoam except bee equipment. I would be interested in sources and experience with this type of equipment. Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:26:44 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Greg Hankins Subject: Re: Prevention of ants In-Reply-To: <970514104746_-1466570306@emout11.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ><< Someone needs to market a quick and easy hive stand that is ant proof. > Any > inventors out there? > >> >I once read an article on the people of a remote tribe in Brazil who, to >protect themselves from "man eating ants" How big a problem *are* ants? Aside from being counter-cosmetic, what kind of damage are they likely to do to my bees or their products? Greg ______________________________________________________________ Greg Hankins Montgomery Herald ghankins@ac.net Troy, North Carolina Voice: (910)576-6051 Fax: (910)576-1050 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:32:23 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: J.M.Goodman@CSL.MAFF.GOV.UK Subject: Apinet API-NET INTERNATIONAL EXTENSION NETWORK Welcome to the Apinet! This dedicated international network has been created to encourage productive and healthy beekeeping by facilitating links between extension workers and others who advise, educate and train present and future beekeepers. We hope to enable multi-lingual communication on the Apinet - you may use your own language whenever you wish! Honey bees are an essential component of the agricultural environment. As beneficial insects, they are vital for the pollination of many crops, as well as producing honey and other bee products for human use. Apinet aims to reduce threats to beekeeping caused by the spread of Varroa and other pathogens. Where significant losses of bees have occurred, many experienced beekeepers have stopped keeping bees. Not enough new beekeepers, especially young people, are being recruited and trained to help or replace those beekeepers who find themselves unable to adapt or cope with new management techniques. Apinet was initiated by John Goodman of the CSL National Bee Unit and Europea. It is continuing to develop with the help of other like minded organisations and individuals throughout Europe. With your help, it will evolve into a world wide network with the potential, via the internet, to benefit extension workers and the beekeepers they serve in countries all over the world. If you are interested in Beekeeper Education and Extension, why not use the API-NET to network with colleagues in other parts of the world, making new contacts, exchanging information and finding out how they are helping beekeepers, farmers and others who depend upon the work of honey bees, to face new challenges. The CSL National Bee Unit is part of a UK research agency, the Central Science Laboratory, which works in the area of bee disease control and research and provides an extension service for beekeepers. EUROPEA is the European Agricultural Education Association, an EU wide organisation serving the agricultural education and training sector. It enables teachers, students, extension workers and others to collaborate nationally and internationally. Although there are Europea associates in all EU member states, we still do not have beekeeping extension contacts in some countries. We are also looking for links outside of Europe. If you are interested in joining the net or helping to establish a network in your Country, please contact John Goodman in GB. If you know of others who may be interested in the API-NET, especially in other countries ... please send them this information, thank you. HAPPY CHRISTMAS & NEW YEAR! John Goodman Tel/Fax: +44-1833-690561 (j.m.goodman@csl.maff.gov.uk) Glebe House, Newgate, UK BARNARD CASTLE, Co Durham DL12 8NW Bee-Net: web.inter.nl.net/hcc/Hug.Bee (Case Sensitive) hug.bee@beenet.iwg.nl Europea: www.agro.stoas.nl/aoc/grdelta/europea mbe@grdeltacd.agro.nl CSL National Bee Unit, Sand Hutton, UK YORK YO4 1LZ m.bew@csl.gov.uk Tel/Fax: +44-1904-462000/462111 (ref: apinetd) BEE (Beekeeping Education and Extension) API-NET Central Science Laboratory National Bee Unit Tel/Fax: +44-1833-690561 (24hrs) Glebe House, Newgate, Mobile: 0374-775163 BARNARD CASTLE, UK Email: j.m.goodman@csl.maff.gov.uk Co. Durham DL12 8NW Ref: letapic 22nd December, 1996 Dear Colleague, API-NET BEE (Beekeeping Education and Extension) NETWORK NEWS This letter is to bring you up to date with Apinet news. Following Europea meetings in Italy and Ireland, I can now report that both the CSL National Bee Unit and EUROPEA are very interested in helping to establish the Apinet. During the Irish meeting guidelines were laid down for the effective operation of such thematic networks within Europea. However, we still do not have named bee extension workers in some countries. We have been offered further valuable help with internet access in Holland, this time via the Bee-Net website. In addition, over 100 potential networkers will have been mailed directly of whom about half have already indicated an interest. Enclosed is the most recent information sheet (which you might like to pass on to others who may be interested) together with a copy of an EFB Questionnaire (this is also on the www - responses and comments will be most welcome). I should also be most grateful if you would let me have an Email address where I may contact you. This will enable us to keep in touch much more easily in the future. I will also then be able to circulate Email addresses to all the networkers. Information will still continue to be available on the internet at: http://www.agro.stoas.nl/aoc/grdelta/europea and http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/Hug.Bee. If you have access to a website for Apinet news, please let me know in order that I may pass on the details. The Netherlands will host the next Europea Assembly, probably in late May 1997. They have invited Apinet members to meet at the same time. Since Holland is very accessible to many of you, this would be an excellent chance to meet fellow networkers, appoint national coordinators and plan future activities.. When I have more information on the venue etc I shall contact you again. In the meantime, you may wish to make a note in your diary. Perhaps, you would let me know if you would be interested in such a meeting. Europea generally meets about twice per year, usually in the country which holds the EU Presidency. However, we can be more flexible should you wish and hold meetings elsewhere. Thank you for your continuing interest and support. Please dont forget to let me have an Email address. I look forward to further developments in the New Year, in the meantime, may I take this opportunity to wish you all a very Happy Christmas and Good Beekeeping in 1997! Yours sincerely, (John Goodman) International Coordinator, Apinet PS I shall be travelling via Malaysia to visit New Zealand in the Spring (Mar-Apr). If you have any beekeeper contacts en route - please let me know. I shall pass on details of Apinet during my visit! BEE-NET: web.inter.nl.net/hcc/Hug.Bee EUROPEA: www.agro.stoas.nl/aoc/grdelta/europea CSL National Bee Unit, Sand Hutton, YORK YO4 1LZ United Kingdom Tel/Fax: +44-1904-462000/462111 APINET BEE (Beekeeping Education and Extension) NEWS As I mentioned in the last APINET NEWS, the next Europea General Assembly is at the end of May in the Netherlands. This will be combined with an Apinet Meeting to which you are invited. Brief details of the programme are outlined below. The Europea (European Agricultural Education Association) General Assembly is held every six months and is usually hosted by the Member State which holds the EU Presidency. During this gathering there will be a chance to discuss Apinet business. Additionally, there will be plenty of opportunities for informal discussion outside the main programme. Since Holland is very accessible to many of us, this would be an excellent chance to meet fellow networkers, review progress to date and plan the way forward. Please send me any proposals for future activities which you wish to discuss. MAASTRICHT, THE NETHERLANDS 29-31 MAY 1997 EUROPEA GENERAL ASSEMBLY 28MAY ETA MAASTRICHT (also Poster Sessions which may include Apinet Information) 29MAY SEMINAR (EU Agriculture/Policy/Subsidies) & WORKSHOPS (Agric/Educ & the Euro) 30MAY WORKSHOPS (Agric/Educ & the Euro) & THEMATIC NETWORKS SESSION (Apinet) 31MAY TOUR OF LIMBURG PROVINCE (Agriculture & Culture) CLOSING DINNER 01JUN ETD MAASTRICHT (Cost of lodging: fnl 600.00) Apply to: Madelon de Beus (Europea) mdebeus@euronet.nl Tel: +31 73 656 7967 Fax: +31 73 656 9765 Copy to: John Goodman (Apinet) j.m.goodman@csl.gov.uk & @csl.maff.gov.uk Tel/Fax: +44 1833 690561 [PS I am having some difficulties with email, you may need to send messages to both of my addresses!] THEMATIC NETWORKS - APINET MEETING AT THE EUROPEA GENERAL ASSEMBLY Apinet Website - Membership Details * EU Honey Proposals & R&D Funding State Support (Beekeeping Extension) EFB Questionnaire & KBV in Europe Varroa Treatments (Essential Oils) Key National Contacts (Beekeeping) * For the benefit of Apinet members, I am looking into the possibility of additional website pages where key membership information can be published in order to help existing networkers to make contact with others who have mutual interests. Present proposals are detailed below. Profiles: networker/organisation profiles in any language with a summary in a second language (500 words in 1st language + 100 words in 2nd language). Education: networker education provision eg lecture programmes, specialist publications etc (200 words, one language only); to include distance learning initiatives etc Extension: extension programmes provided for trainers, beekeepers and related trade (200 words, one language only); including training of trainers Research: general areas of interest (research and development) of Apinet members (200 words, one language only). Initiatives:+ collaborative initiatives (inter- and trans-national) which are already underway (200 words, one language only); including those open to further participants Proposals: new proposals for collaborative ventures in which participation is sought eg seminars (200 words, one language only); meetings etc covering any areas of common interest + Such an initiative might be a regular extension carousel (eg training of trainers), where participants would have the opportunity to visit other members countries on a rotating basis to find out more about their activities. There could be a special theme, with the opportunity to visit beekeeping enterprises, extension initiatives and research and development establishments etc. Each participating country would take it in turn to organise/host the event. *************************************************************************************************************** *** NB Do I have an Email address where I may contact you? This will speed up communication in future. *** *************************************************************************************************************** CSL National Bee Unit, Sand Hutton, YORK YO4 1LZ United Kingdom Tel/Fax: +44-1904-462000/462111 John Goodman, Glebe House, Newgate, BARNARD CASTLE, Co Durham DL12 8NW United Kingdom APINET: http:// web.inter.nl.net/hcc/beenet/apinet.htm hug.bee@net.hcc.nl [new address!] EUROPEA: www.agro.stoas.nl/aoc/grdelta/europea mdebeus@euronet.nl [new address!] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:04:31 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rick Grubbs Subject: Re: Buckfast Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------07A9265F29BC072DB08BC301" --------------07A9265F29BC072DB08BC301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIDNITEBEE wrote: > http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ > > Greetings! > I am told that buckfast queens are sold-out. When are we able to > obtain the > queens? I just purchased seven buckfast queens from R. Weaver Apiaries. You can contact them at : The R. Weaver Apiaries Inc. Rt. 1, Box 260 Navasota, Tx 77868 Ph: 409-825-2333 or Fax: 409-825-3642 I have ordered from them before, and they are the best that I have had dealings with, they will give you a ship date, and do everything in their power to meet the date. Rick Grubbs Hobby beekeeper with 20 hives Douglasville, Ga --------------07A9265F29BC072DB08BC301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIDNITEBEE wrote:
http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/

Greetings!
I am told that buckfast queens are sold-out. When are we able to obtain the
queens?
I just purchased seven buckfast queens from R. Weaver Apiaries.
You can contact them at :

The R. Weaver Apiaries Inc.
Rt. 1, Box 260
Navasota, Tx  77868
Ph: 409-825-2333  or   Fax: 409-825-3642

I have ordered from them before, and they are the best that I have had dealings with, they will give you a ship date, and do everything in their power to meet the date.


Rick Grubbs
Hobby beekeeper with 20 hives
Douglasville, Ga --------------07A9265F29BC072DB08BC301-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:23:06 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Styrofoam Hives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit d.murrell wrote: > > In my country almost everything is made of styrofoam except bee equipment. > I would be interested in sources and experience with this type of > equipment. Thank you. look at http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/specht.html I use also the German "SEGENBERGERHIVE", it is a different type of foam. On the Dow "roofmate" the bees can (they do) gnaw it on the insite, so you have to protect it with paint. And the other problem is condensation of water, I maked the TOTAL bottom from inox wire netting. Big advantage is the weight, one total hive is two kg and the cost. -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 homepage webside: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index2.html with some pages in english on solitary bees. NEW PAGES ON THE FIGHT ON THE VARROA MITES. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemethod.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:07:11 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert E Neely Subject: Re: Styrofoam Hives A recent issue of The Americal Bee Journal had an article about a student (Exchange I believe) from Poland. There were pictures of a styrofoam hives in use there. The construction appeared much thicker than wood. They were better insulated (From heat and cold) as well as wax moth proof. The inner cover had four holes for feeding. Wonder if there could be a market developed here? Bob Neely Goose Creek, SC USA On Wed, 14 May 1997 11:38:56 -0600 "d.murrell" writes: >In my country almost everything is made of styrofoam except bee >equipment. >I would be interested in sources and experience with this type of >equipment. Thank you. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:15:13 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Curtis L. Spacek" Subject: Re: Prevention of ants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bee sure to put soap in the water cans or the ants will build a bridge out of their own bodies on the surface tension of the water.oil works well.A thin layer of oil will sink the ants into the water layer and impede evaporation of the water.........Don't use soap with iol or the liquids will combine.