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From:         wd6esz <wd6esz@quick.net>
Subject:      Re: biology/physics question
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On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Ian Watson wrote:
> Hi
> My 2 cents worth, and that's an overstatement ....;)
> Don't bees see polarized light and that makes them able to find the sun even on
> a cloudy day?
Don't clouds amorphousize polarized light?
 
        Rich
 
> I'll leave the scientific explanation to someone else.
>
> Ian Watson    realtor@niagara.com
> real estate agent     gardener    baritone
> beekeeper---> 11 colonies and counting
> ----------
> > From: curtis spacek <cspacek@flash.net>
> > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
> > Subject: Re: biology/physics question
> > Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 8:47 PM
> >
> > I could have sworn I read that bees can't see in the red spectrum,but
> > see ultra violet waves.photographs of several flowers under an ultra
> > violet light revealed pigments which form rays (lines) which piont to
> > the center of the flower.as an added note the text (on loan to a fellow
> > beekeeper) also cited ultra-violet light waves penetrate cloud cover
> > enabling bees to actually see the sun through the clouds on overcast
> > days.
>
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Date:         Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:41:18 +0000
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You might get some help from _The Honey Bee_, James L. and Carol Grant Gould
...  copyright  the Scientific American Library 1988.    See "Navigation",
Chapter 7.  (May be a bit complex for sixth graders).   May be in municipal
library.
 
Bob Barnett
Birmingham, Al
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> From: "FLORENCE COOPER, RN" <coopefn@okra.millsaps.edu>
> To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
> Subject: biology/physics question
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 13:10:02 +0000
>
>My son is a sixth grader and was asked to find furthur information about
the
>following by his teacher:  "Bees use certain wavelengths of light to find
their
>way between sources of food and their hive.  Use a reference source to find
>more information about this."  We consulted THE HIVE AND THE HONEYBEE and
found
>only a few oblique references to the above and nothing that really
explained
>it.  I would really appreciate input from the list regarding this.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Florence and Mark Cooper
>1st year beekeepers, 1 hive
>Jackson, Mississippi
>USA
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Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:15:50 GMT+0200
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From:         Garth <g95c6713@warthog.ru.ac.za>
Organization: Rhodes University South Africa
Subject:      Explanation for escalation in flames
 
Hi All
 
I have been following the whole software flame thread and come up
with a theory as to why it happened.
 
Bee-L normally seems to me to be quite a sort of sedate newsgroup
with everyone being generally friendly and tolerant.But...
 
I have noticed if I get stung more than ten times a day for a few
days I become rather irritable. This used to require less stings to
get the same effect but am becoming rather immune due to my belief in
not wearing gear unless completely neccessary.
 
So assuming stings will over time make people irritable, and assuming
that it is the main harvest time in North America and Europe, as well
as Spring Harvest time in the South, everyone is being stung a few
times a day and is slightly ratty!
 
Just a thought.
 
Keep well
 
Garth
 
---
Garth Cambray       Kamdini Apiaries
15 Park Road        Apis melifera capensis
Grahamstown         800ml annual precipitation
6139
Eastern Cape
South Africa               Phone 27-0461-311663
 
3rd year Biochemistry/Microbiology    Rhodes University
In general, generalisations are bad.
Interests: Flii's and Bees.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:45:23 CST
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From:         Vladimir Ptacek <ptacek@sci.muni.cz>
Subject:      Re: Refractometers
 
On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 05:54:46 -0600, Excerpts from BEE-L wrote:
 
>From:          "<Matthew J Allan>HELP" <MattAllan@aol.com>
>
>At Apimondia in Belgium two weeks ago, I looked at some Neopta
>refractometers, made in the Czech Republic. Can anyone give me a contact so
>that I can get in touch with the manufacturer or the supplier?
>
>Thanks
>
>Matthew J Allan
 
 
Dear Mathew,
Try to ask the people in the Union of Beekeepers
                             Kremencova 8
                             115 24 Praha
                                    Czech Republic
                             Phone:420/2/24915574-5
or at
                             Bee Research Institute at Dol
                             252 66 Libcice n. Vlt.
                                    Czech Republic
                             Phone:..420/5/6857585-6
Best regards,
Vladimir Ptacek
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Masaryk University                    phone:  ..420/5/41129 562
611 37 Brno, Czech Republic           fax:    ..420/5/41211 214
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Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:00:30 -0400
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From:         "<Matthew J Allan>HELP" <MattAllan@aol.com>
Subject:      Re: Refractometers
 
Vladimir
 
Many thanks for your reply. We Mangaed to make contact a few days ago.
 
Matthew
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Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:28:22 -0400
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From:         "Keith B. Forsyth" <keithb.forsyth@hwcn.org>
Subject:      Re: biology/physics question
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You may wish to refer to Mark Winston's "The Biology of the Honey Bee"
It is a good reference for beekeepers to have.
KBF
 
 
 
 
 
On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, FLORENCE COOPER, RN wrote:
 
> My son is a sixth grader and was asked to find furthur information about the
> following by his teacher:  "Bees use certain wavelengths of light to find their
> way between sources of food and their hive.  Use a reference source to find
> more information about this."  We consulted THE HIVE AND THE HONEYBEE and found
> only a few oblique references to the above and nothing that really explained
> it.  I would really appreciate input from the list regarding this.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Florence and Mark Cooper
> 1st year beekeepers, 1 hive
> Jackson, Mississippi
> USA
>
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Date:         Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:17:17 -0700
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Just a qick note to let everyone know, what Pasenda, CA
thinks of Beekeeping.  This is a story by reporter Rick
Cole.
 
 Rick Cole Regional Column for Sunday, October 5
 
This column is a departure from my usual focus on economics,
transportation and
public policy issues, but took me into a fascinating subject
and local
government's bureaucratic response.
 
>LOCAL BUREAUCRATS FIGHT WAR ON BEES
>By Rick Cole
>
>Pesticides, pollution and parasites have wiped out 90% of the nation's
>honeybees.  Some local bureaucrats are trying to wipe out the rest.
>
>Like most flowers and plants in our gardens, honeybees aren't native to the
>Southland.  Yet as nature's most prolific and efficient pollinators, they're
>a vital part of urban ecology.  We depend on them for both flowering gardens
>and backyard vegetables.  The nationwide honeybee shortage threatens more
>than our urban landscape, it also jeopardizes commercial crops that provide
>one-third of our diet.  Because of this, says Auburn University Professor
>James Tew, "honeybees should not be killed except when absolutely necessary."
>
>But in the City of Pasadena, honeybees are officially outlawed, according to
>Mel Lim of the city's health department.  "Our policy is to eradicate the
>bees," Lim declares. "They're a threat to public health."
>
>Why is the City of Roses fighting a war against honeybees?  Perhaps you've
>heard that bees can sting.  This is not news to most of us.  Nor a threat to
>most of us.  But out of a  thousand people, one or two are violently allergic
>to bee stings and risk death from shock if not immediately treated.
> Therefore, Lim declares, honeybees are deemed to be "dangerous insects."
>
>In practice, Lim says, city staff won't go after "a few bees in the garden."
> But beehives, domestic or wild, are strictly forbidden, even on private
>property.  Last month, city crews and trucks assisted professional beekeepers
>in removing a beehive from high up in one of the majestic street trees in my
>neighborhood.  The operation and clean-up, which took two days, must have
>cost the city several hundred dollars.  Ironically, the beehive had gone
>unnoticed by most neighbors for more than a year until the disturbance
>unleashed a buzz of bewildered bees.  No stings were reported.
>
>An estimated fifty thousand bees were carted off.  The stragglers were
>exterminated.  But while local gardens may suffer significantly, public
>health will not be enhanced at all.  As any bureaucrat who reads their kid's
>World Book would discover, besides honeybees, there are 20,000 other species
>of bees, bumblebees, yellow jackets, hornets and wasps.  None make honey, but
>they all have stingers.
>
>Lim defends the city's honeybee eradication policy, however, citing the
>potential future threat from "Africanized" honeybees, the so-called "killer
>bees" of tabloid newspaper fame.  The "African" honeybee is slightly larger
>than the "European" honeybee we're used to, although its sting is no more
>powerful.  Their fierce reputation comes from a higher sensitivity to
>disturbances to their hives.  Once aroused, hundreds may pursue a human or
>pet.
>
>African honeybees were accidentally released in this hemisphere in the late
>Fifties in Brazil.  They've been slowly spreading northward, crossbreeding
>with local European honeybees despite forty years of massive international
>efforts to halt their advance.  "All our efforts have probably just slowed
>the pace," admits Dr. Mark Shelton, Dean of the College of Agriculture at Cal
>Poly San Luis Obispo.  "Africanized" honeybees are now established in
>Arizona, Texas and New Mexico and recently entered California.
>
>Bee experts scoff at Lim's excuse that wiping out European honeybee colonies
>will slow the entry of Africanized bees.  Unlike their more vulnerable
>European cousins, the African honeybees seem maddeningly invulnerable.  Dr.
>Mussen notes that in Tucson, five years after the Africanized bees first
>arrived, 27 commercial bee removal services have sprung up and "there is no
>shortage of bees there."  The threat from Africanized honeybees is real, but
>exaggerated.  Nationwide, insect bites from everything from hornets to fire
>ants produce fewer than 100 fatalities a year.  So far, no American has died
>from an attack by the "killer bees."  The danger, when they eventually
>establish themselves locally, will rank a little lower than the risk of being
>struck by lightning.
>
>Out of touch with scientific reality, Pasadena's war on honeybees is also out
>of step with Los Angeles County policy.  Mike Pearson, who worked fifteen
>years as the bee inspector for the County Agricultural Commission, says "bees
>are quite beneficial to plant communities as well as humans."  While he
>allows that "unmanaged colonies can pose a problem," Pearson insists "we need
>to provide space for honeybees."  The county, he says, encourages beekeeping
>to promote agriculture.
>
>In a city that prides itself on both its lush flora and its scientific
>prowess, will the bureaucrats continue their expensive and irrational war on
>honeybees?  Of course.  Bees don't vote.  And voters?  Bureaucrats think they
>don't care.
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Try : F. W. Jones and  Sons
        Bedford
        Quebec
        Canada
 
Eunice
 
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> From: Mike Swintosky ([330] 471-3128) <swintosk@timken.com>
> To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
> Subject: Glass Jars
> Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 5:27 PM
>
> I am looking for a source of 8, 16 and 32 ounce jars that leave adequate
> room for a label.  Canning jars would be okay, but thus far I haven't
found
> the 8 ounce size without quilting or some other pattern or raised
lettering
> that gets in the way.  I would like all 3 size jars to have a similar
> appearance.  Does anyone who know a source for all plain jars or jars
that
> leave at least a 3" wide area unobstructed?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Swintosky
> Dellroy, Ohio
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Date:         Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:38:25 -0400
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From:         Edd Chamberlin <beeman51@juno.com>
Subject:      Re: Plastic Foundation Comb
 
Just melt a little wax, take a small paint brush and wipe it one time
across the center of the foundation on each side. This is enough to get
the bees started.
Alternate the frames one waxed, one not, in the box.
Works for me, however they will pull it out without it, just takes a
little longer.
Edd
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Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:21:34 +0000
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From:         Barry Birkey <barry@birkey.com>
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Bruce Hamilton wrote:
>
> Just a qick note to let everyone know, what Pasenda, CA
> thinks of Beekeeping.  This is a story by reporter Rick
> Cole.
 
What a great article!  Can you believe people pay their taxes to employ
these officials?!  And I thought ours did some pretty dumb things...
 
-Barry
 
--
Barry Birkey
West Chicago, Illinois  USA
barry@birkey.com
http://www.birkey.com
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From:         Christian Maier-Ramnfs <arche@centrum.dk>
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Hello Maritza,
 
you can try
http://netvet.wustl.edu/vmla.htm
its a list of insect mailinglists; i think you should try one of them
to get further help.
 
best regards Christian
 
> Does anybody could give me some advise about where I should look for
> information on insect fossil record?
>
> I would be very thankful for your help.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Maritza Tatiana Abril Castillo
> University of Southern Mississippi
> e-mail mabril@ocean.st.usm.edu
>
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From:         Vince Coppola <vcoppola@epix.net>
Subject:      Adulterated Honey
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Does any one know if honey of any origin has been denied entry to any
country because of adulteration or contamination ? Is there any
pertinant information on the web ?
                                Thanks, Vince
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Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:32:18 +0000
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From:         Richard Bonney <rebonney@javanet.com>
Subject:      Resignation effective
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My resignation from UMass Amherst is finally effective, as of last week
. With this resignation, UMass no longer has a beekeeping program,
either in the classroom or in Cooperative Extension. To my knowledge
there are no plans to fill either of the two positions I vacated.
 
I will be happy to continue to correspond with anyone via e-mail. My new
address is  - rebonney@javanet.com.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:45:58 -0700
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From:         "Armando G. Cuellar, Jr." <acuell@hooked.net>
Organization: ALACO District Attorney
Subject:      Re: FW: biology/physics question
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Correct! I meant to say (write) ultra-violet. thanks.
 
George W.D. Fielder wrote:
 
>       BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
> ++++
>
> >The latest research indicates that bees use infrared light to
> navigate
> >and locate food sources. This is probably what the teacher was
> looking
> >for.
>
> I think that you mean ultraviolet, which I have read that bees use to
> locate the exact position of the sun (even through clouds).  As I
> understand it, Bees do not see the far red (Infra Red) and not even as
> far
> red as we see, thus a red light can be used in the dark without making
> them
> fly.
>
> .. george
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:57:51 +0200
Reply-To:     Michael Haberl <haberl@zi.biologie.uni-muenchen.de>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         Michael Haberl <haberl@zi.biologie.uni-muenchen.de>
Subject:      Re: biology/physics question
 
According to the following two references honey bee eyes show
maximum sensitivity at about 340 nm (UV), 430 nm (blue) and 530 nm (green-
yellow). These maxima can be interpreted as 3 different kinds of receptors.
Together, they are sensible in the range of 300 to 650 nm. Therefore,
honey bees are not able to see red light.
(Humans: range: 400 to 800 nm)
I do not know whether honey bees use light of different wavelenghts for
different purposes.
 
K Daumer 1956 Reizmetrische Untersuchung des Farbensehens der Biene
Z. vergl. Physiol. 38, 41-478.
 
H Autrum, V. v. Zwehl 1964 Die spektrale Empfindlichkeit einzelner
Sehzellen des Bienenauges. Z. vergl. Physiol. 48, 357-384.
 
> My son is a sixth grader and was asked to find furthur information about the
> following by his teacher:  "Bees use certain wavelengths of light to find
> their way between sources of food and their hive.  Use a reference source to
> find more information about this."
>
> We consulted THE HIVE AND THE HONEYBEE and found only a few oblique
> references to the above and nothing that really explained it.  I would really
>
> appreciate input from the list regarding this.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Florence and Mark Cooper
> 1st year beekeepers, 1 hive
> Jackson, Mississippi
> USA
 
 
____________________________________________________________________
Michael Haberl
Zoologisches Institut der Uni Muenchen         Tel: ++49 89 5902-444
Luisenstr. 14                                  Fax: ++49 89 5902-450
80333 Muenchen, Germany   E-mail: haberl@zi.biologie.uni-muenchen.de
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:42:14 +0100
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From:         Janko <janko.bozic@UNI-LJ.SI>
Organization: Department of Biology, University of Ljubljana
Subject:      Feeding minerals, vitamins, etc.
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Dear Bee-Liners,
 
   I would like to get any information on feeding minerals, vitamins and
plant extracts to honeybees. I know that there are some products on
market. I would like to read any experience about using products from
the market or homemade additives to sugar syrup. I used to feed several
years ago one commercial additive with vitamins and minerals. In our
country is also very common to feed garlic extract in sugar syrup. Some
are using also other plant extracts. They are claiming that they have
less problems with Nosema without using Fumagilin. I would like to get
any reference on experimental and practical use of minerals, vitamins
and plant extracts as an additive to the sugar syrup.
 
 
 
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:01:00 +0200
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From:         "Krell, Rainer (REUS)" <Rainer.Krell@fao.org>
Subject:      Bee books FAQ
Comments: To: Adam Finkelstein <adamf@sunsite.unc.edu>
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Dear Mr. Finkelstein,
 
I would like to suggest at least one additional book for your list sent
to Bee-l on Monday:
 
"Value-added products from beekeeping".  Published by FAO/UN as its
Agricultural Service Bulletin vol. 124 in 1996.  I am the author and I
hesitate to make propaganda for my own book, but since I have no
commercial gain from the sale of the book and since it has been very
favorably reviewed in parts of the British beekeeping world and finds a
fairly higher demand without any advertisement, I feel it has a place in
your useful list under: Bee and Hive Products.
 
At 41$ with 400 pages of practical and scientific descriptions of the
various raw materials with a focus on the knowledge useful for their
collection, processing, storage and marketing while preserving their
quality, including tips, detailed processing descriptions and sufficient
recipes to start developing one's own products on a small to medium
scale, it is a very good value.
 
The book can be purchased from some mail order suppliers and directly
from FAO:
Food and Agriculture Organization/United Nations
Sales and Marketing Group
Viale delle Terme di Caracalla
00100 Rome, Italy
or by fax to one of the following numbers:
+39(6) 5225 3360
+39(6) 5225 3152
 e-mail to Publications-sales@fao.org
http://www.fao.org/catalog/
 
I don't think the book has made it into too many libraries, yet.
 
For beekeepers and beekeeping organizations from developing countries
the book is free.  Other FAO beekeeping publications include:
 
        (as part of the FAO Agricultural Services Bulletin)
 
Number  Title                                   Year    Language
68      Tropical and sub-tropical apiculture            1986    (E)
68/2    Honeybee mites and their control - a selected annotated
bibliography
                                                1986    (E)
68/3    Honey and beeswax quality control               1990    (S)
68/4    Beekeeping in Asia                      1986    (E)
68/5    Honeybee diseases and enemies in Asia: A practical guide
                                                1987    (E)
68/6    Beekeeping in Africa                    1990    (E)
105     Practical Beekeeping in Latin America   1993    (S)
188     Pollination of cultivated plants in the tropics 1995    (E)
124     Value added products from beekeeping    1996    (E)
 
 
I hope this will be of help to new and old beekeepers alike.
 
With best regards
 
Rainer Krell
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:21:09 -0700
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From:         "Mortimer B. Lipton" <morty@dynanet.com>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 7 Oct 1997 to 8 Oct 1997
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Has anybody seen any thing about a large bumble bee developed in Israel
to aid in pollination?
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:31:14 -0400
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From:         Rory Stenerson <71762.1664@compuserve.com>
Subject:      Rick Cole Article
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Greetings Bee-L subscribers,
 
What did everyone think of the following statements made in Rick Cole's
article?
 
I thought I saw some debatable items such as:
 
>Pesticides, pollution and parasites have wiped out 90% of the nation's
>honeybees.     =
 
 
>The "African" honeybee is slightly larger
>than the "European" honeybee we're used to, =
 
 
>So far, no American has died
>from an attack by the "killer bees."
 
****************************************************************
*               I believe that the phenomena of nature         *
*               is the expression of infinite intelligence.    *
*               I express my belief that all forms of life     *
*               are manifestations of spirit                   *
*               and thus, we are all children of God,  Peace   *
****************************************************************
* Rory Stenerson                                      _        *
* Member - Centre County Beekeepers Association     _( )_  ^   *
* V.P. - State College Underground Maltsters       ( -   )     *
* State College, PA U.S.A.                     ^  (  - ^  )  ^ *
* E-mail: 71762.1664@compuserve.com              (  -   -  )   *
*                                               ( -  +++    )  *
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  =
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:41:26 CST
Reply-To:     lmb@plantpath.wisc.edu
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         "Lisa M. Buttonow" <LMB@plantpath.wisc.edu>
Organization: University of Wisconsin
Subject:      Re: biology/physics question
 
When i was much younger, in a class somewhere, i saw pictures of flowers
taken with somekind of UV filter.  Different species of flowers had
different patterns when viewed with UV.  So a human sees solid yellow
flowers, but bees see patterned yellow flowers. The thought at the time
was that, flowering plants used this as a strategy to keep a bee
interested in its species, creating a greater chance that its individual
pollen will rub off on a flower of the same species.  Supposedly in a
garden full of different cucurbits, one can see an individual bee
visiting all the cucumber blossoms then all the squash etc.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:04:14 -0400
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From:         Ted Fischer <tvf@umich.edu>
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Rory Stenerson wrote:
>
> Greetings Bee-L subscribers,
>
> What did everyone think of the following statements made in Rick Cole's
> article?
>
> I thought I saw some debatable items such as:
>
> >Pesticides, pollution and parasites have wiped out 90% of the nation's
> >honeybees.
>
> >The "African" honeybee is slightly larger
> >than the "European" honeybee we're used to,
>
> >So far, no American has died
> >from an attack by the "killer bees."
 
Right.  I believe that all three of the statements are false, but it
would take more of my time than I thought warranted to track down the
citations for challenging them.
 
Ted Fischer
Dexter, Michigan USA
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:07:09 +0000
Reply-To:     hector@together.net
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From:         John Znoj <hector@together.net>
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Ted Fischer wrote:
>
> Rory Stenerson wrote:
> > What did everyone think of the following statements made in Rick Cole's article?
> > >Pesticides, pollution and parasites have wiped out 90% of the nation's honeybees.
> >
The "African" honeybee is slightly larger than the "European" honeybee
we're used to,
> >
So far, no American has died from an attack by the "killer bees."
>
> Right.  I believe that all three of the statements are false, but it
> would take more of my time than I thought warranted to track down the
> citations for challenging them.
>
> Ted Fischer
> Dexter, Michigan USA
 
Yeah right--and I have not heard of anyone learning anything with their
head in the sand either
 
JZ
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Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:47:55 +0100
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From:         Tom Speight <tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 2 Oct 1997 to 3 Oct 1997
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In message <875937530.122116.0@uacsc2.albany.edu>, Automatic digest
processor <LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU> writes
>1 pound of honey by weight is 452.48 grams and requires a 12oz container
>by volume.
12oz of what?? Water or mercury? The specific gravity is important when
measuring weight against volume. As you are multiplying by 1.4375 I
assume you mean water.
This is not the same as a 12oz jam jar for instance.
--
Tom Speight
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:19:46 -0500
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From:         Conrad Sigona <conrad@ntcnet.com>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 2 Oct 1997 to 3 Oct 1997
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> >1 pound of honey by weight is 452.48 grams and requires a 12oz container
> >by volume.
> 12oz of what?? Water or mercury? The specific gravity is important when
> measuring weight against volume. As you are multiplying by 1.4375 I
> assume you mean water.
> This is not the same as a 12oz jam jar for instance.
 
I presume he means 12oz as a volume, not as a weight, that is, 12/32
of a quart (U.S). Thus, 12oz (volume) of water and 12oz of mercury
are both the same size but not the same weight.
 
Conrad Sigona
conrad@ntcnet.com
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:04:45 +0200
Reply-To:     pimapis@rls.roknet.ro
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From:         marian pintilie <pimapis@rls.roknet.ro>
Organization: pimapis
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 2 Oct 1997 to 3 Oct 1997
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?!?*@~#&&#&5
Sorry to bother, but I'm puzzled.
All my dictionaries say that ounce is used for weight not for volume.
Is this wrong? If yes, please tell me, to throw it away, and buy some
good dictionaries.
 
Costel
 
 
Conrad Sigona wrote:
>
> > >1 pound of honey by weight is 452.48 grams and requires a 12oz container
> > >by volume.
> > 12oz of what?? Water or mercury? The specific gravity is important when
> > measuring weight against volume. As you are multiplying by 1.4375 I
> > assume you mean water.
> > This is not the same as a 12oz jam jar for instance.
>
> I presume he means 12oz as a volume, not as a weight, that is, 12/32
> of a quart (U.S). Thus, 12oz (volume) of water and 12oz of mercury
> are both the same size but not the same weight.
>
> Conrad Sigona
> conrad@ntcnet.com
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:32:32 -0500
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From:         Conrad Sigona <conrad@ntcnet.com>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 2 Oct 1997 to 3 Oct 1997
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> All my dictionaries say that ounce is used for weight not for volume.
> Is this wrong? If yes, please tell me, to throw it away, and buy some
> good dictionaries.
 
Dear international friends,
 
A ounce is both a unit of weight and of volume.
 
When used for weight, 16 oz (ounce) = 1 lb (pound).
When used for volume, 16 oz = 1 pint, 32 oz = 1 quart, 128 oz = 1 gallon.
 
Please also note that the US quart is different from the imperial quart.
 
Conrad Sigona
conrad@ntcnet.com
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:54:11 +1200
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From:         Lewis <lewis@suva.is.com.fj>
Subject:      hive construction
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I plan to mke my own hives.
 
1. Does anyone have any thoughts on the use of Masonite for the Inner cover
and the hive top (tin clad).
 
2. Any problems with the use of treated timber for hive boxes?
 
John Lewis
Fiji
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:10:56 -0600
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From:         Lawrence Cooke <glcooke@sisna.com>
Subject:      Help !Best of bee
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I need to get off of the best of bees but I have lost the paper work.
Can anyone help.What is the address and comand.
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 04:25:09 +1200
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From:         Nick Wallingford <nw1@boppoly.ac.nz>
Organization: Bay of Plenty Polytechnic
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> I need to get off of the best of bees but I have lost the paper work.
> Can anyone help.What is the address and comand.
 
If you go to:
http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/email.htm
you can get a full list of the various commands to deal with all the
bee related mailing lists...
 
  (\           Nick Wallingford
 {|||8-        home nickw@wave.co.nz
  (/           work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz
NZ Beekeeping  http://www.beekeeping.co.nz
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:00:39 -0400
Reply-To:     dronebee@norfolk.infi.net
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" <dronebee@norfolk.infi.net>
Organization: Independent non-profit research
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Hi friends.
I could not let this one go by without injecting a little bit of fun.  I had a
very dear old professor who was always asking:  What weighs more, a pound of
feathers or a pound of lead?  There was always someone who would be fooled by
thinking in terms of volume.
Best regards.
Dr. Rodriguez
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:17:23 -0700
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         Jim Mortier <jmortier@uniserve.com>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 2 Oct 1997 to 3 Oct 1997
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From:   Conrad Sigona [SMTP:conrad@ntcnet.com]
Sent:   Thursday, October 09, 1997 4:33 PM
To:     BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
Subject:        Re: BEE-L Digest - 2 Oct 1997 to 3 Oct 1997
 
It's statements like this one that make me glad that I was taught the =
Metric system! I hope our friends to the south join the majority and =
switch over. Everything is consistent and calculations are much simpler =
in metric. ( Although , miles per gallon sounds better than litres per =
100km) =20
 
A ounce is both a unit of weight and of volume.
 
When used for weight, 16 oz (ounce) =3D 1 lb (pound).
When used for volume, 16 oz =3D 1 pint, 32 oz =3D 1 quart, 128 oz =3D 1 =
gallon.
 
Please also note that the US quart is different from the imperial quart.
 
Conrad Sigona
conrad@ntcnet.com
 
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:17:57 GMT+0200
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From:         Garth <g95c6713@warthog.ru.ac.za>
Organization: Rhodes University South Africa
Subject:      Bees in nature reserves
 
Hi All
 
I have just been wondering what the stance is in areas where bees are
an introduced species towards their presence in Nature reserves?
 
Do Park rangers actively get rid of the bees so that their
pollination presence does not skew the plant populations from what it
should have been? (It seems that if one has an unatural pollinator
not suited to an otherwise natural plant population, you will end up
with a sort of over pollination of certain plants and under
pollination of others because of bee hive fidelity which is not a
factor with other pollinators like Bombus, but the bees competition
will reduce Bombus populations etc)
 
 The thought of those poor rangers in Arizona in the
Grand Canyon on long ladders and absailing equipment getting rid of
AHB cliff colonies already makes me wonder!
 
Also in Australia and New Zealand?
 
Just a thought.
 
Garth
 
(Who loves the honey flow from those unatural Australian trees that
each are an aerial forest in their own right!)
---
Garth Cambray       Kamdini Apiaries
15 Park Road        Apis melifera capensis
Grahamstown         800ml annual precipitation
6139
Eastern Cape
South Africa               Phone 27-0461-311663
 
3rd year Biochemistry/Microbiology    Rhodes University
In general, generalisations are bad.
Interests: Flii's and Bees.
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:45:37 +0200
Reply-To:     jtemp@xs4all.nl
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         Jan Tempelman <jtemp@xs4all.nl>
Organization: Home
Subject:      Honey weight and volume site
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I try to make a site on it
>>
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/honinggewicht.html
 
--
Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe     |     EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl
Sterremos 16               3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands
Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:19:05 -0700
Reply-To:     wd6esz <wd6esz@quick.net>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         wd6esz <wd6esz@quick.net>
Subject:      Re: biology/physics question => extended human vision
Comments: To: "Lisa M. Buttonow" <LMB@plantpath.wisc.edu>
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Quick comment:  Yes, it is fascinating to look at the UV patterns produced
by flowers.  And *some* people are able to see these patterns with their
naked eye.  When asked to describe what it looks like, they will say that
it is an entirely different color, as different as green is from blue.
And these few people who have this added visual perception are recipients
of older cataract operations before they started to use UV opaque lense
material.  Humans are actually capable of seeing UV, except that our
lenses are opaque to it.  Early cataract patients recieved non-apaque
lenses until it was realized that their retinas was getting "sun burned"
from the lack of UV protection.  FWIW
 
        Rich
 
 
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Lisa M. Buttonow wrote:
> When i was much younger, in a class somewhere, i saw pictures of flowers
> taken with somekind of UV filter.  Different species of flowers had
> different patterns when viewed with UV.  So a human sees solid yellow
> flowers, but bees see patterned yellow flowers. The thought at the time
> was that, flowering plants used this as a strategy to keep a bee
> interested in its species, creating a greater chance that its individual
> pollen will rub off on a flower of the same species.  Supposedly in a
> garden full of different cucurbits, one can see an individual bee
> visiting all the cucumber blossoms then all the squash etc.
>
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 02:32:20 -0700
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         wd6esz <wd6esz@quick.net>
Subject:      Re: Rick Cole Article
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I also agree that all 3 are false.  I have seen Africans side by side and
know they are SMALLER, and YES an American has died; the first one was an
elderly man in Texas.  And I don't think pesticides have done anything do
the bee population compared to varoa!
 
        Rich
 
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Ted Fischer wrote:
> Rory Stenerson wrote:
> >
> > Greetings Bee-L subscribers,
> >
> > What did everyone think of the following statements made in Rick Cole's
> > article?
> >
> > I thought I saw some debatable items such as:
> >
> > >Pesticides, pollution and parasites have wiped out 90% of the nation's
> > >honeybees.
> >
> > >The "African" honeybee is slightly larger
> > >than the "European" honeybee we're used to,
> >
> > >So far, no American has died
> > >from an attack by the "killer bees."
>
> Right.  I believe that all three of the statements are false, but it
> would take more of my time than I thought warranted to track down the
> citations for challenging them.
>
> Ted Fischer
> Dexter, Michigan USA
>
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:12:49 -0400
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         David Green <Pollinator@aol.com>
Subject:      Re: Rick Cole Article
 
In a message dated 97-10-10 05:33:01 EDT, wd6esz@quick.net (Rich) writes:
 
<< I also agree that all 3 are false.  I have seen Africans side by side and
 know they are SMALLER, and YES an American has died; the first one was an
 elderly man in Texas.  And I don't think pesticides have done anything do
 the bee population compared to varoa!>>
 
Rich,
 
    I have lost a lot more bees to pesticide misuse than I ever did to varroa
mites. We had a couple of real bad years, when tracheal mites first came in
and we were unprepared and did not know anything about them. But tracheal
mites have passed as a major problem for us; we bred from the survivors.
Tracheal mites did give us warning and got us prepared for varroa.
 
    Some beekeepers ignored warnings and lost their shirts on varroa. But
today, when you hear of a beekeeper losing bees to varroa, it mostly tells
you about the quality of his beekeeping.
 
   Pesticide misuse impacts ALL bees, solitary bees, bumblebees, wild
honeybees (the few, but important survivors of varroa) and kept honeybees.
Pesticide misuse is consistantly our worst problem, and it always impacts the
best hives the most. It reverses efforts at selective breeding.
 
   Pesticide misuse is insidious, as many beekeepers don't know they are
impacted, because many modern pesticides drop the bees in the fields and few
make it back to  the hives. The only symptom the beekeeper sees are bees that
are weak and unproductive. Get out and walk the fields after an illegal
application, while bees are foraging. and you'll see where the field force
is: laying dead in the rows.
 
 > Rory Stenerson wrote:
 > >
 > > What did everyone think of the following statements made in Rick Cole's
 > > article?
 > >
 > > I thought I saw some debatable items such as:
 > >
 > > >Pesticides, pollution and parasites have wiped out 90% of the nation's
 > > >honeybees.
 
This is probably true of wild honeybees, but certainly not of domestic
honeybees. My operation is about half the size it would be, if it were not
for pesticide misuse, because we have had to recover so many times from its
damage. Other beekeepers have quit.
 
You could probably make a case for *half* the nations kept honeybees being
lost from the three causes.  We compensate for the loss by migration and
contract pollination of our food crops.
 
 > >
 > > >The "African" honeybee is slightly larger
 > > >than the "European" honeybee we're used to,
 > >
 > > >So far, no American has died
 > > >from an attack by the "killer bees."
 >
 > Right.  I believe that all three of the statements are false, but it
 > would take more of my time than I thought warranted to track down the
 > citations for challenging them.
 
The second two statements are definitely false. African bees are smaller than
Italian bees. And there have been several deaths.  Of course the old german
black bee could, and did kill people in massive stinging attacks. I have seen
behavior capable of causing death, from black bees.  I have never heard of
any of this sort of attack from Italians.
 
Pollinator@aol.com     Dave Green   Hemingway, SC  USA
The Pollination Scene:   http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:58:00 PDT
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         Graham Read EOS <grahamr@eos.co.uk>
Subject:      How can bees fly + measure distance ?
 
For general interest:
I just read two articles in 'New Scientist' ** that I thought would bee
of interest, one related to Bees, the other to insects in general.
 
1) The first is about How insects actually manage to fly (according to
standard aerodynamics it should be impossible).
"Impossible Insects / On a wing and a Vortex",
http://www.newscientist.com/ns/971011/features.html
 
2) The second is directly related to Bees, and its about how they
estimate distances from the hive.
Turns out this article's only in the printed version of the magazine. In
summary the report explained how bees seem to measure distance by the
speed with which the ground went by during flight (rather than energy
expended as was first thought). The experiment involved getting honey
bees to fly down tubes, which had vertical black & white stripes painted
on the inside, to a sugar source. Removing the sugar source, and altering
the vertical strip pattern made little difference to the bees ability to
locate the orginal sugar source location. But altering the 'slope' of the
whole tube did,as the bees flew closer to the ground (& thus the ground
went by faster) as they flew 'up-hill', and tended to undershoot and stop
before reaching the sugar solution. Conversely with the tube down-hill
the bees overshot. With horizontal tube stripes (& thus virtually no
visual speed clues) the bees failed to find the orginal sugar source
location completely, flying straight into the end of the tube.
 
**(science and technology weekly magazine, online version at
http://www.newscientist.com).
 
Graham
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:30:49 +0100
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         Tom Speight <tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 8 Oct 1997 to 9 Oct 1997
In-Reply-To:  <876455939.067839.0@uacsc2.albany.edu>
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In message <876455939.067839.0@uacsc2.albany.edu>, Automatic digest
processor <LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU> writes
>Sorry to bother, but I'm puzzled.
 
 
Costel,
One imperial pint = 20 FLUID ounces, this is the same weight as one pint
of water, 1 imperial pint of honey would weigh approximatley 20 oz.
--
Tom Speight
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:34:48 -0400
Reply-To:     ajwelk@ibm.net
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         Al Welk <ajWelk@ibm.net>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 2 Oct 1997 to 3 Oct 1997
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Tom Speight wrote:
>
> In message <875937530.122116.0@uacsc2.albany.edu>, Automatic digest
> processor <LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU> writes
> >1 pound of honey by weight is 452.48 grams and requires a 12oz container
> >by volume.
> 12oz of what?? Water or mercury? The specific gravity is important when
> measuring weight against volume. As you are multiplying by 1.4375 I
> assume you mean water.
> This is not the same as a 12oz jam jar for instance.
> --
> Tom Speight
Since Tom took the above statement out of context, and for those of your
that missed the point I will make it a little clearer.
1 Pound of Honey by wieght is 452.48 grams and requires a 12 Volume
ounce container by volume.  That is a container based on a US gallon
were a gallon is 0.134 cubic feet or .0379 cubic meter and 1 US gallon
equals 4 US quarts with 32 US ounces to the quart.
12 ounces by volume is 12 ounces by volume if it is feathers or lead.
The lead will weight far more than 12oz by weight.
The weight of honey to fill the volume of 12 ounces is 1 pound or 452.49
grams.
Al Welk-Atlanta, GA
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:19:06 -0700
Reply-To:     snielsen@orednet.org
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         "Susan L. Nielsen" <snielsen@orednet.org>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 2 Oct 1997 to 3 Oct 1997
 
>Since Tom took the above statement out of context, and for those of your
>that missed the point I will make it a little clearer.
>1 Pound of Honey ....
 
Sheesh. And who said A Pint's a Pound the World Around?
 
Susan
 
--
Susan Nielsen                   | Beehive: If you build it,
snielsen@orednet.org            | they will comb.
 
--
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Date:         Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:52:58 -0300
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         Eunice Wonnacott <wonnacot@BUD.PEINET.PE.CA>
Subject:      Re: Adulterated Honey
Comments: To: Bestofbee@systronix.net
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Can't give a specific reference for the info, but I believe Germany and
some other European countries have very stringent import regulations.
Especially with regard to pollens etc and other contaminants.
 
Eunice
 
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> From: Excerpts from BEE-L <bees@systronix.net>
> To: Bestofbee@systronix.net
> Subject: Adulterated Honey
> Date: Thursday, October 09, 1997 11:00 AM
>
> From:          Vince Coppola <vcoppola@epix.net>
> To:            BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
>
> Does any one know if honey of any origin has been denied entry to any
> country because of adulteration or contamination ? Is there any
> pertinant information on the web ?
>
>                                 Thanks, Vince
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:46:59 -0400
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         Eugene Makovec <EMakovec@aol.com>
Subject:      Separating Honey From Wax Cappings
 
I'm a small-time beekeeper with 3 hives.  I use a 4-frame hand extractor and
a an uncapping knife.
 
How do I separate the honey from my uncappings?  I drain it, but there's
still a lot in there.
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:20:22 -0500
Reply-To:     BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         Ken Lawrence <BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net>
Subject:      Re: Separating Honey From Wax Cappings
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> From: Eugene Makovec <EMakovec@aol.com>
> To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU
> Subject: Separating Honey From Wax Cappings
> Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 4:46 PM
>
> I'm a small-time beekeeper with 3 hives.  I use a 4-frame hand extractor
and
> a an uncapping knife.
>
> How do I separate the honey from my uncappings?  I drain it, but there's
> still a lot in there.
 
        Hello Eugene
        Ken Lawrence here about 25 miles north of Kansas city Mo.
        I would suggest using a clean pair of ladies nylons.  You could run it
thru some other cloth that is a bit courser and then thru the nylons.
Sheer curtains work good also.
        I am running 37 hives and extracted 3850 off 31 hives this year.  Very
good year here in Missouri.
        If I can help please feel free to ask.
        I have had bees since 1971 and it is the best hobby.
 
                                                Ken
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Date:         Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:13:55 -0500
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From:         Rick Adcock <rick1111@swbell.net>
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:18:24 -0400
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From:         "Conni Still (Long Island)" <Constill@aol.com>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 9 Oct 1997 to 10 Oct 1997
 
To Ken Lawrence. We are also hobbiest beekeepers with 3 hives (208 lbs of
honey this year).  I place my cappings in aluminum baking pans, put them in
an electric oven on very low heat until the wax melts. I know this is not the
recommended way, but I keep a fire extinguisher at hand when I am doing this
project.  Remove the pans and let the wax cool. It rises to the top, and when
it hardens just lift it off and you are left with honey on the bottom.  This
honey is usually darker in color than the rest, so I save it and use this
honey for baking.  I don't know if it affects the nutritional value by
heating it to this temperature so I don't feed it back to the bees.  Maybe
next year we will get a solar melting box and let the sun do the separating
work for us.  The wax I get then is remelted and strained to remove any
propolis and I use this for making candles and wax molded projects.
On a separate note- my Bee-L has been appearing in hot pink lately. What
could be causing this? Very pretty color, but a little difficult to read.
Conni and Clifford Still, Bayport, Long Island New York
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 05:41:53 -0400
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<<<<<Has anybody seen any thing about a large bumble bee developed in
Israel
to aid in pollination?>>>>>
 
About a fortnight ago I was listening to an early  morning farming
programme (Radio 4, 0610hrs every morning).  I am not exactly at my most
alert at that time of the morning but I am sure I heard the following.
"In Israel they have developed a bumble bee nineteen times the normal siz=
e
which will pollinate all the year round."  No details, just that bald
statement.  It sounded so ridiculous that I was sure there would be a
follow-up in the national press but I have never seen any reference since=
=2E =
 
A classic April 1st story.        Are there any Bee-list members in Israe=
l
who can tell us more?        =
 
        Sidpul@compuserve.com
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 06:52:05 -0700
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From:         Bill Truesdell <mister-t@clinic.net>
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Eugene,
You can also zap the cappings in a microwave oven or heat it in a double
boiler.
Most suggestions involve heating the cappings-honey mix, so when you are
done, the honey is best used for cooking. I had a temperature sensor on
my old microwave, so I could keep it about 160 F. But now I put it on a
low power setting so I do not overheat it. Anytime you heat wax, be
careful.
Bill Truesdell
Bath, ME
 
Eugene Makovec wrote:
>
> I'm a small-time beekeeper with 3 hives.  I use a 4-frame hand extractor and
> a an uncapping knife.
>
> How do I separate the honey from my uncappings?  I drain it, but there's
> still a lot in there.
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:48:33 -0500
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Can anyone tell me the USA distributor of those honey bear shaped
candies that appear in some catalogs?  Thanks,  Joan
--
Mail to:bkeep200@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~bkeep200
Honey Hill Farm - Handcrafted Honey & Beeswax Soaps
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:30:45 -0400
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From:         Frank & Phronsie Humphrey <beekeepr@cdc.net>
Subject:      Re: Adulterated Honey
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I read an article in one of the bee magazines on the subject about 2 years
ago.  The article stated that Canada had rejected  several shipments from
China.  This about the time that Canada and the US were having trouble with
China dumping honey on the two markets.
 
The article also stated that detection had been refined to the point that it
was very hard to get adulterated honey by the USDA or its Canadian
counterpart.  The biggest problem is funding.  As everyone knows, very
little of the honey, produced by smaller producers, is tested.  I do believe
however,  that the markets these producers serve are very discerning.
Anyone selling to a small market and adulterates honey will probably run out
of customers.
 
Frank & Phronsie Humphrey
beekeepr@cdc.net
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Vince Coppola <vcoppola@epix.net>
To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 04:22 PM
Subject: Adulterated Honey
 
 
>Does any one know if honey of any origin has been denied entry to any
>country because of adulteration or contamination ? Is there any
>pertinant information on the web ?
>                                Thanks, Vince
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:51:39 GMT+0200
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From:         Garth <G95C6713@warthog.ru.ac.za>
Organization: Rhodes University South Africa
Subject:      Re: recovering honey from cappings
 
In response the the thread on recovering honey from small amounts of
cappings:
 
The easiest thing I have found is just to put everything into a bowl
and pop it in the microwave until it reaches about 70 degrees
celcius. At this point the wax and most other gunk will float to the
top and eventually solidify. Pour the honey through a sieve once it
cools down to about forty or so degrees and you will get a bottle of
heated cooking grade honey, which will taste okay.
 
Alternatively, if you still have an uncapped super on a hive, put the
cappings in a flat container, put some warm water into it to dissolve
the honey (just a very little), put a few chunks of polystyrene in
the container and put it on top of the hive in an empty super. The
bees will move it down and maybe finish the super for you. I do this
with honey I get from wild hives, let the bees clean it up and put it
into an extractable system for me. Takes a good hive about a day to
move five kilos down into a super. Was quite surprised!(I usually put
the combs on in the evening and then the bees don't mind getting
themselves all sticky and aren't inclined to go out robbing. For some
reason doing this in the day makes the hive that gets the honey boost
go robbing. Bees are strange little creatures.
 
Anyhow
 
Keep well
 
Garth
---
Garth Cambray       Kamdini Apiaries
15 Park Road        Apis melifera capensis
Grahamstown         800ml annual precipitation
6139
Eastern Cape
South Africa               Phone 27-0461-311663
 
3rd year Biochemistry/Microbiology    Rhodes University
In general, generalisations are bad.
Interests: Flii's and Bees.
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:42:41 PDT
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From:         Dennis <denmar@mind.net>
Subject:      Re: Separating Honey From Wax
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Hello Eugene,
 
You wrote:
 
<<I'm a small-time beekeeper with 3 hives.  I use a 4-frame hand extracto=
r and a an uncapping knife.
 
How do I separate the honey from my uncappings?  I drain it, but there's =
still a lot in there.>>
 
 
I have used a 5 gallon paint strainer in a plastic bucket.
 
The strainer is a bag made with cloth like sheer curtains are made from =
and has an elastic ribbon around the top.  With the strainer installed =
inside the bucket with the elastic around the top of the bucket to hold =
it up, decap directly into the bucket.  A board with a nail projecting =
up a small amount to balance the frame on helps tremendously.
 
When done decaping or the bucket is full, you use a mop handle or some =
such thing, layed across the top of the bucket, to tie the strainer to. =
 This is accomplished by lifting the elastic over the mop handle from opp=
osite sides and using a simple knot (it does not take much, especially =
if sticky with honey!).  I then pull the strainer out of the bucket, usin=
g the mop handle, and set the mop handle ends on the counter in my kitche=
n (in the corner) or on any two objects that will hold it up high enough,=
 with the bucket under it.
 
I use the same general system under the spout of the extractor for the =
honey.
 
The paint strainers are available in most hardware stores and paint store=
s.  Cost is usually $1.50 - $2.50 each and they are reuseable.  Wash them=
 well before use.
 
 
Dennis Morefield
Sideline Beekeeper,  100 colonies(at times!), Oregon, USA
denmar@mind.net
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:34:18 +0200
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From:         marian pintilie <pimapis@rls.roknet.ro>
Organization: pimapis
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Frank & Phronsie Humphrey wrote:
>
> I read an article in one of the bee magazines on the subject about 2 years
> ago.  The article stated that Canada had rejected  several shipments from
> China.  This about the time that Canada and the US were having trouble with
> China dumping honey on the two markets.
 
Some of ships on which sailed my brother was supplied with honey from
China . it was need for detection to see that was faked. The taste was
horrible
>
believe
> however,  that the markets these producers serve are very discerning.
> Anyone selling to a small market and adulterates honey will probably run out
> of customers.
 
Unfortunately is not true. Always will be unadvised buyers to be
cheated.And more, is a matter of taste. One used with liquid (Heated)
honey will reject  a pure but cristalised honey. We have a sayng about
that : "Is not how my mother used to do it" . ( for those who don't know
the story : A young husband was every time upset because the taste of
the food made by his wife is at his mother home. One day the poor wife
burned the meal, and was really scared, but was no time to replace so
served it burned. the grumpy husband exclamed happy - Finally you made
it like my mother used to .)
 
by the way about cristalised honey. Here in Romania is only acacia
(Robinia pseudoacacia) do not cristalise.
 
In other parts of the world are other types of honey which do not
cristalise?
 
thanks for your time
 
Costel
>
> Frank & Phronsie Humphrey
> beekeepr@cdc.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vince Coppola <vcoppola@epix.net>
> To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 04:22 PM
> Subject: Adulterated Honey
>
> >Does any one know if honey of any origin has been denied entry to any
> >country because of adulteration or contamination ? Is there any
> >pertinant information on the web ?
> >                                Thanks, Vince
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:45:43 +0000
Reply-To:     barry@birkey.com
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
From:         Barry Birkey <barry@birkey.com>
Organization: BIRKEY.COM
Subject:      Miller Type Feeder
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For those who contacted me about construction details for the Miller
feeder, I finally have it available for download at:
http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html
 
-Barry
 
--
Barry Birkey
West Chicago, Illinois  USA
barry@birkey.com
http://www.birkey.com
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:16:35 -0600
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From:         Brett D Bannon <bbannon@juno.com>
Subject:      alfalfa blossom color
 
Anyone know if honey bees prefer the blue/purple blossom on alfalfa
compared to varieties that bloom yellow?
 
 
Brett D. Bannon
Folsom, NM  USA
bbannon@juno.com
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:13:53 -0600
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From:         Brett D Bannon <bbannon@juno.com>
Subject:      other insects as guides
 
     Can honey bee nectar sources be discovered by watching plants on
which certain types of insects are found collecting?
     Hornets and wasps?
     Green Metallic bees?
     Leafcutting bees?
     Sulfur butterflies (Family Pieridae)?
     Soldier beetles (Family Cantharidae)?
So if you found a specific insect on a flower then it means that it would
be good for honey bees also.(possibly the same size/method of nectar
collecting, i.e. tongue)
 
 
Brett D. Bannon
Folsom, NM  USA
bbannon@juno.com
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:06:50 PDT
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From:         Robert O'Hara <rohara@stratos.net>
Subject:      Robbers
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Hi and thanks for reading this,
        I have two hives about one foot apart and one is slightly stronger than =
the other. That stronger hive is presumably
robbing the heck out of the other as evidenced by wax "sawdust" all over =
the bottom board and in front of the hive on the
ground.  I also noticed Yellow Jackets in and around the hive.  I have =
heard that I should reduce this hives opening.
Would  moving the robbing hive away some distance stop the robbing and =
help rebuild the damage. And if so when should
 
I move it back?
        If I shouldn't move the offending hive would swapping some frames of hon=
ey into the robbed hive and a reduced
entrance help?
        What are some ways to stop this onslaught?
 
 
Thanks Rob
 
Robert E. O'Hara
13155 Dorothy Dr.
Chesterland, Ohio 44026
(216) 729-2807
rohara@stratos.net
AA8IB Amateur Radio
First Year Beekeeper
Two Hives
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:38:48 -0400
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From:         Greg Hankins <ghankins@ac.net>
Subject:      Re: hive construction
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John Lewis wrote:
 
>I plan to mke my own hives.
>
>2. Any problems with the use of treated timber for hive boxes?
 
I'm not sure what timber is "treated" with in Fiji, but, if it's done the
same way as in the States, there's arsenic involved. If you can find a
product info sheet on it, you'll discover that it's against manufacturers'
recommendations to burn it, since toxic chemicals are released in the
process.
 
One of my very first prolonged online debates was with a very cordial
fellow from New Zealand who did not share my hesitancy in using
arsenic-treated wood to define raised beds for garden construction. In this
context, as in that one, I'd tend to err on the side of caution. I wouldn't
want arsenic residues in my honey any more than in my carrots.
 
In fact, since my carrots are consumed only within the family, while I may
want to offer my honey for sale, I think I'd be more likely to use
arsenic-treated wood in my garden than in my hives. A couple of newspaper
aticles about honey containing traces of arsenic -- however minute -- would
go a long way toward depressing demand, I should think.
 
Greg
 
____________________________________________________
Greg Hankins                       Mt. Gilead, NC
ghankins@ac.net
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:38:53 -0400
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From:         Greg Hankins <ghankins@ac.net>
Subject:      Re: Bees in nature reserves
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>Hi All
>
>I have just been wondering what the stance is in areas where bees are
>an introduced species towards their presence in Nature reserves?
 
I've read about a honey bee extermination program on a California Island
(Santa Cruz Island?) that is a preserved owned (I think) by the Nature
Conservancy. There may have been an article on it in Root's Bee Culture
magazine a few months ago.
 
Greg
 
____________________________________________________
Greg Hankins                       Mt. Gilead, NC
ghankins@ac.net
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Date:         Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:05:11 -0700
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From:         wd6esz <wd6esz@quick.net>
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On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Greg Hankins wrote:
> >Hi All
> >I have just been wondering what the stance is in areas where bees are
> >an introduced species towards their presence in Nature reserves?
> I've read about a honey bee extermination program on a California Island
> (Santa Cruz Island?) that is a preserved owned (I think) by the Nature
> Conservancy. There may have been an article on it in Root's Bee Culture
> magazine a few months ago.
FWIW.  I hear that the bees on Catalina Island are the only mite-free bees
in the country.  Thousands of hives making mega honey because the bees are
entirely unmolested by parasites of any kind.
 
        Rich
 
 
>
> Greg
>
> ____________________________________________________
> Greg Hankins                       Mt. Gilead, NC
> ghankins@ac.net
>
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Date:         Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:20:44 -0400
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From:         Trevor Weatherhead <queenbee@gil.com.au>
Subject:      Re: Hive construction
 
Re John Lewis's query on hive construction.
 
I use masonite under my lids which are then in turn covered by a metal cover.
Those famous Aussie migratory lids.  No problems.
 
Re your treated timber, I would try to find out what it was treated with
first.  The CCA treatments contain arsenic which will probably leach the
arsenic although it is in a fairly insoluble form.  The treatment could be PCP
(pentachlorophenol) which is not good to have in bee boxes.  It may only be
something like methyl bromide which was used as a borer treatment.  As I say,
find out what it is and advice can be given from there.
 
There are many timbers which occur naturally in Fiji which wuld be
good for hive construction.  There is a kauri pine (Agathis sp.) which would
be very good from a weight point of view and workability but it is not
naturally durable.  You could treat it with copper naphthenate to preserve it.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Trevor Weatherhead
AUSTRALIA
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Date:         Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:54:20 -0400
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<<<<<<Costel,
One imperial pint =3D 20 FLUID ounces, this is the same weight as one pin=
t
of water, 1 imperial pint of honey would weigh approximatley 20 oz.
--
Tom Speight>>>>>>>
I must disagree with the above.  You are right about the Imperial pint. A=
 
fluid ounce of water weighs one ounce so an Imperial pint of water weighs=
 
20 ounces.  An Imperial gallon is 8 pints, 160 ounces or 10 pounds. I thi=
nk
 there is confusion because the American ounce and pound are the same as
Imperial but the pint, quart and gallon are smaller, 0.83 of the Imperial=
=2E
Honey is much heavier than water so an Imperial pint of honey must weigh
much more than 20 ounces.
Getting down to figures, honey with water content of 17%  has a specific
gravity (relative density) of 1.4237 at 20 degrees Centigrade.Thus it is
nearly  one and a half times the weight of water and a pint will weigh
1.4237 times 20 ounces,   nearly 28 and a half ounces.
Most honey in England is retailed in the shops in glass jars holding one
pound (454 grammes) to the nearest gramme.  One pound of 17% honey as abo=
ve
will occupy a space of 11.5 fluid ounces if my arithmetic is correct. =
 
Weaker honey will creep up towards 12 ounces.  Thus we have a so called 1=
2
ounce jar.
Honey in bulk is rated as approximately 14 pounds to the gallon.  17% hon=
ey
would be 14.237 pounds. Honey at exactly 14 pounds to the gallon would be=
 
rather poor stuff, just on 20% water.           Sidpul@compuserve.com
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Date:         Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:10:18 EDT
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From:         "Frederick L. Hollen" <fhollen@pen.k12.va.us>
Subject:      Bee Fables
Comments: cc: "Frederick L. Hollen" <fhollen@pen2.pen.k12.va.us>
In-Reply-To:  <199710120954_MC2-2398-4F51@compuserve.com>; from "Sid Pullinger"
              at Oct 12, 97 9:54 am
 
Hello,
 
I heard a bee story yesterday which I would like to add to the
"Bee Fables" thread recently on this list:
 
It seems that a beekeeper in a rural southwestern Virginia
county also made a little moonshine whisky, which he
transported inside empty beehives on a flatbed truck.
 
The authorities eventually figured out this strategem, and made
plans to arrest him.  It is hard to keep secrets in small rural
communities, and our beekeeper got wind of the plan.  He loaded
his meanest hives onto his truck and started down the road,
soon to be stopped by the sheriff and alcohol agents, who asked
him what he was hauling.  He replied:
 
"Beehives -- you can see that."
 
"What's in the beehives?"
 
"Bees, what else?"
 
"We think you're hauling moonshine in those beehives.  Open up
a couple for us to check."
 
"No sir.  If you want to see inside you open them."
 
The sheriff jumped onto the truck, triumphantly jerked the
lid off a beehive, and was nearly eaten alive by the bees.
After that our friend ran moonshine whenever and wherever he
wanted and no one ever bothered him again.
 
 
Fred
 
Virginia, USA
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Date:         Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:59:00 GMT
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From:         Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@beenet.com>
Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA
Subject:      [Fwd: help wanted]
 
*FYI* Looking for a beekeeper.
 
From: "greek" <dcollins@intrastar.net>
Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping
Subject: help wanted
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:21:50 -0500
 
Experienced beekeeper, needed for full time employment with migratory
beekeeping operation. (ND-TX)  Job involves all aspects of large migratory
operation. queen raising, nuc making, northern care,  supering, honeying
pulling, extracting)
 
contact dcollins@intrastar.net
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Date:         Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:06:00 GMT
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From:         Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@beenet.com>
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This message was from ANDY NACHBAUR to ALL
originally in conference IN-BEEKEEPIN on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS)
and was forwarded to you by ANDY NACHBAUR
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http://www.gopbi.com/yourmoney/poststories/bees101097.htm
 
Encephalitis battle's accidental victims: Beekeepers' colonies
 
By Michael Utley
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
 
The fight against mosquito-borne encephalitis is claiming the bee as an
unintended casualty, according to local beekeepers who fault the
insecticide sprayed.  "It kills a bee the same way it kills a mosquito,"
Leonard Fultz, president  of the Palm Beach County Beekeepers
Association, said Thursday. Bees are crucial to fruit and vegetable
farming because they pollinate the crops. "Not only are they important
to the product, but they're important to everyone who consumes the
product," Fultz added. He has about 350 beehives in citrus groves
throughout the county. Fultz said he hasn't lost any of his bees
yet, but others have complained a bout millions of bees lost, mostly in
Indian River County where about 10 beekee pers say they've been affected
by aerial spraying there.
 
Locally, beekeeper James Mendenhall says he lost 150 beehives last week
in Martin County. But county officials say they haven't done any aerial
spraying there since early September and they'd be surprised if it was
their insecticide that killed Mendenhall's bees. "Well, I'm pretty darn
sure it was the mosquito spraying," countered Menden hall, who claims
more than one million of his bees were killed. "Unfortunately, there's
nothing I can do about." Years ago, Mendenhall recalled, the state
would reimburse beekeepers for spraying-related losses, but that
program was cut. He estimates it would cost abo ut $10,000 to replace
his lost bees. Mendenhall has moved his remaining hives from Martin
County to Palm Beach County.
 
Officials are continuing their anti-mosquito spraying in Palm Beach,
Martin and St. Lucie counties. But officials say they are trying to
accommodate beekeepers and others who don't want their land sprayed.
Organic farmers, who grow their crops without the use of synthetic
chemicals, are particularly concerned about insecticide spraying. Many
of them have pro vided maps of their land to mosquito control officials.
"Many (counties) have agreed not to spray the organic farms, and some
have even agreed to recognize buffer zones around the farms," said Marty
Mesh, head of the Gainesville-based Florida Certified Organic Growers
and Consumers Inc. "Anyone who calls us gets punched into our computer"
and mosquito control agents are instructed not to spray there, said
James David, interim director of the St. Lucie County mosquito control
program.
 
However, at least one beekeeper is not comforted by that. "At this
point, we don't know how we've been affected by the spraying and, to
tell you the truth, I'm afraid to look," said Lamar Hester, general
manager of Deland-based Horace Bell Honey Co., which has beehives
located throughout So uth Florida. "We're just hoping we don't get
totally wiped out."
 
Originally published in The Palm Beach Post on Friday, Oct. 10, 1997.
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Date:         Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:12:00 GMT
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From:         Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@beenet.com>
Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA
Subject:      Beekeeping Gifts
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UNIQUE ONE IN A KIND BEEKEEPERS GIFTS
 
A beekeeping friend of mine invested much money and time in a Honey
packing venture with a international conglomerate that did not work
out...the story is too long and too sad to present here. But he did have
some supplies left over other then a empty bank account, honey jars and
labels. Because of the unique nature of them and the fact all beekeepers
I know are always looking for something different to have and give as
bee gifts so I have made arrangements to offer them to anyone who is
interested, and repay some of his costs and make a few bucks for my
efforts. For $20.US +$3.00 postage I will send you a sample and you
decide if you want more.
 
The package will contain one (1) POOH CAROUSEL BOOK, a favorite story
about Winnie-the Pooh in a fun new format. You open the book and tie
back the covers then turn it around to follow Pooh's adventures in five
colorful three-dimensional scenes. Then turn the scenes over there you
will find the text of the story from WINNIE-THE-POOH by A.A. Milne. This
is a first quality pop out book and not available in book stores.
Wonderful gift or Christmas stocking stuffer for child or adult.
 
I will also include two (2) hand crafted and panted FAN PULLS, also one
of a kind gifts, one is a Skept with bees painted on it, and one is a
Honey Pot also hand painted. Then wood fan pulls have about a foot of
gold chain attached and those of you who know about such things and
don't have overhead fans will find other uses for them I am sure.
 
You can use your CC, MC or Visa and contact me via e-mail at:
 
andy.nachbaur@calwest.net or send a check for $23.(US) each to:
 
Andy Nachbaur
1522 Paradise Lane
Los Banos, CA 93635
 
For more then one shipment to any one address the postage will be $3.00.
 
Postage may be higher to off shore address and if you have any questions
about shipment to your address please send direct e-mail to me.
 
ttul, the OLD Drone
 
PS. I hope to have some pictures I can send anyone who is interested in
a closer look at these gifts, just e-mail me and ask for them and when I
get them I will send them to you via email.
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Date:         Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:46:01 +1000
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From:         Paul & Sandra Roberts <psrobert@gil.com.au>
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I put a note on the list last week regarding the status of emergency queen
cells after requeening. For those who missed it I will repeat the text
below...
 
 
As I introduced a new queen last night by an amalgamtion of a nuc , (used
to
raise her), and the target hive I noticed what appeared to a number of
emergency queen cells in the queenless hive that was to receive the new
queen.
 
The hive had been made queenless approximately seven hours earlier when I
dispatched the previous monarch & dropped her in the bottom of the hive.
 
My query relates to what the new queen does with the emergency queen cells?
Does she leave them thus leaving the chance of supercedure, or does she
tear them down like a virgin queen who has just hatched would? Or do the
worker/nurse bees simply not procede with the queen cell once the new queen
is established?
 
I intend to check in the next 10 days just to make sure that there are no
queen cells as the old girl generated a strong but willing bunch who I am
looking forward to seeing the end of....
 
Well, I was disappointed not to receive one response as this, I thought,
was critical in the acceptance or else of the queens we choose to
introduce. The last thing I want is for the hive to kill or quickly
supercede my chosen Queen (unless there is something wrong with her) given
my investment and my desire for the characteristics which she was chosen
for.
 
So to get the ball rolling I thought I should share the progression of the
hive to dispel at least one of the options (in this case). The united hive
is now eight days on, I open it and inspected the brood to ascertain if any
queen cells were present, fortunately none were, so I guess the bees either
decided not to proceed with any they had started or the new queen tore them
down.
 
For the record, given recent postings on the subject of uniting, the
process seems to have been achieved with no deaths or dramas. I used a
technique which I discussed on this forum with Dr. Rodriguez. This was a
minor variation of the newspaper method whereby I put a sheet of mesh over
approx. one third of the former brood box so that the bees could smell the
new queen and the new hive smell. In addition I employed another
recommendation off this forum which was to make a weak sugar solution and
scent it with peppermint. In the fray I only remembered to spray the
original brood box and the top honey super, however I am sure that it
helped by disrupting the hive smell long enough to help the amalgamation.
 
Enough from me, thanks for everybodies ideas, they really helped.
 
Regards
 
 
Paul Roberts
 
Brisbane Australia
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Date:         Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:59:41 +0000
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From:         aweinert <aweinert@tpgi.com.au>
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I have started my first Nucleus hive in  an attempt  to breed  a
queen from my existing hives.
 
I would like some comments on the best way to do the following
 
start a Nuc.
 
breed a queen from scratch.  I really only need 2
 
This is for the experience rather than any thing else, I know it is
easier to buy commercial queens.
 
I have 2 hives to draw from, they both have young and active queens,
(the new  queens will go to another site)
 
Both hives are strong and booming now after  the citrus flow,
avacado's and now the Jacaranda's are out, and there is some
eucalyptus out now, I think tallow wood   (I am in North Queensland ,
Australia)
 
I have 2 * 4 frame and 1  * 5 frame nuc. nuc.s
 
1* 4 framer  is in action , the others are in store ready to go
So far I have done the following,  placed an old  frame with a fair
part of the wax missing  2 frames from the centre of the strongest
colony, this is an attempt to get a large number of drones  in the
area.
 
I have started a Nuc. with 1 frame of foundation, 1 frame of polen
and honey, 1 frame with freshly laid eggs and one frame with capped
brood.
 
This nuc has been put next to an active colony that has benn moced 6
inches (150 mm) to the side  so that feild bees will  enter, this
they have done.
 
The next  choice is
 
to wait for 3 - 4 weeks and see if there is a new queen laying,
 
look  in the nuc next week end to see if queen cells are there,
 
move the nuc, a few metres / yards away (reason unknown yet)
 
Other  (I'm still on L (Learner) Plates)
 
Also I have read that this method can give agressive bee's is this so
 and if so why?  is it something to do with the feed of the grubs in
emergency cells ??
 
I know this first Queen will not have the full benenfit of the Drones
that I hope to grow, but I figure the next one shoud have a good
chance.
 
 
I look forward to your comments.
 
Thanks
 
Andrew
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Date:         Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:02:28 -0400
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From:         "Provost,Norm" <nprovost@foxboro.com>
Subject:      FW: Bee book #124
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>Someone on this list recently recommended a book entitled "Value-added
>products from beekeeping" published by the (Italian?) FAO/UN as Agricultural
>Service Bulletin vol. 124.
 
If USA beekeepers are interested, this book is also available in the
U.S. through the source shown below.   FYI....
 
Norm Provost
Burrillville, RI (USA)
 
(no commercial interest w/FAO/UN or the vendor below)
 
>----------
>From:  Naim, Liliana (GIII)[SMTP:Liliana.Naim@fao.org]
>Sent:  Monday, October 13, 1997 3:48AM
>To:    'nprovost@foxboro.com'
>Subject:       RE: Bee book #124
>
>Please be informed that FAO Publications are on sale in your country
>from Bernan Associates, Lanham. Their e-mail address is info@bernan.com
>
>Regards,
>Liliana Naim,Sales and Marketing
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From:   Carattoli, Elsa (GIII)
>       Sent:   Friday, October 10, 1997 8:13 AM
>       To:     Naim, Liliana (GIII)
>       Subject:        FW: Bee book #124
>
>
>
>
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Date:         Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:19:27 -0400
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From:         Frank & Phronsie Humphrey <beekeepr@cdc.net>
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If it is not already to late you can try putting on a Robber Screen.  These
can be made with 3/4" x 3/4" stock.  1 piece it the width of the hive
opening and 2 pieces about 3" to 4" long.  Nail these together to form 3
sides of a box whose length is the width of the opening.  Over this staple
1/8" hardware cloth or window screening,  leaving about a 3/4" gap at the
open side.  Next nail a piece of 1" x 2" on the screen side  to finish the
box.  The 1"x 2" should have an opening 1" x 3/8" cut in the bottom and at
one side. Nail this to the front of the hive.  The robber bees will smell
the open honey at the top of the screen and will try to enter there.  The
hive bees will find the opening and will use it and defend it.   This has
worked for me many times and I use these when it is still to warm to close
down the openings on the hives.
 
Frank & Phronsie Humphrey
beekeepr@cdc.net
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert O'Hara <rohara@stratos.net>
To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU <BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU>
Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 09:19 PM
Subject: Robbers
 
 
Hi and thanks for reading this,
        I have two hives about one foot apart and one is slightly stronger
than the other. That stronger hive is presumably
robbing the heck out of the other as evidenced by wax "sawdust" all over the
bottom board and in front of the hive on the
ground.
>snip
  What are some ways to stop this onslaught?
 
 
Thanks Rob
 
Robert E. O'Hara
13155 Dorothy Dr.
Chesterland, Ohio 44026
(216) 729-2807
rohara@stratos.net
AA8IB Amateur Radio
First Year Beekeeper
Two Hives
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Date:         Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:50:43 +0000
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From:         Ed Levi &/or Jan Townsley <elevi@aristotle.net>
Subject:      SALTY Water
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A beekeeper asked a question that I could not answer.  He has some bees
going to salt water.  I mean SALTY water.  What gives?
 
Thanks for the responses,
Ed
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Date:         Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:27:07 -0500
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From:         RICHARD BARNES <rbarnes@halnet.com>
Subject:      Re: SALTY Water
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Every year in the spring I give my bees about 1 gram of electrolyte (I
purchase it at the local farm supply store) per quart of sugar syrup.  The
stuff I use is a combination of electrolytes and vitamines for farm animals
like horses and comes in a package similar to terramyacin.  Bees need
electrolytes just like all living things.  This treatment seems to help
stimulate the spring build-up.  I have read that a table spoon of table salt
placed on the landing board is used to provide salt.
 
At 01:50 PM 10/13/97 +0000, you wrote:
>A beekeeper asked a question that I could not answer.  He has some bees
>going to salt water.  I mean SALTY water.  What gives?
>
>Thanks for the responses,
>Ed
>
>
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Date:         Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:08:05 -0400
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From:         Bill Bartlett <Bartlett@eagle1.eaglenet.com>
Subject:      Salty water
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Re: Bees going to saly water
 
Where I live in Southern Maryland USA, there is a pond that backs up to the
Potomac River.
The water has tested 6 parts per thousand salt.  The bees are there on a
regular basis, at the edge of the water during the season when they are
flying.  I tried putting fresh water out right in front of
hives and they never even looked at it.
 
billy bee
 
They also liked the water around the duck pen!!!!!!
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Date:         Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:16:52 +0100
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From:         Tom Speight <tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk>
Subject:      Re: BEE-L Digest - 11 Oct 1997 to 12 Oct 1997
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In message <876715152.1219047.0@uacsc2.albany.edu>, Automatic digest
processor <LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU> writes
>One imperial pint = 20 FLUID ounces, this is the same weight as one pint
>of water, 1 imperial pint of honey would weigh approximatley 20 oz.
Ooops!!! Slip of the finger, Should have been 29ozs . Sorry Sid.
With fingers like mine I find it easy to hit the wrong key, but I should
have checked it more carefully - mia culpa.
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Date:         Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:33:16 -0500
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From:         curtis spacek <cspacek@flash.net>
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As you may have realized the government pays little attention to
individuals.When individuals band together they suddenly are noticed.If
all the members of the Palm Beach County Beekeepers Assn. were to
suddenly pull all their hives from the county and at the same time
notify all citrus growers in the area that there will be no pollination
services for hire in that county you would suddenly have a large group
of people breathing down the necks of all public officials involved in
this pesticide hazard."Beekeepers on strike" signs could be placed on
all access roads into the county with a short explanation of their
plight to discourage others from filling this void.A radical approach?
YOU BET!! But generally we're all too busy or too lazy too unorganized
and too divided and distracted by the other problems of daily living
to make our public servants perform their duties to our satisfaction.
But as we are Americans,these public servants are there because "we the
people" created these positions,we fund these positions through donating
our hard earned money in the form of "taxes",we should not hesitate to
to remind these servants of the public who they are are ultimately
responsible to.Their really is no excuse for destroying a mans/womans
livelyhood without paying reparations for accidental damage caused by
errant pesticides.You should have been notified with enough advance
warning to restrict the bees to their hives or remove them from the
area.When it comes to reigning in our public servants we must be like
the proverbial roll of John Wayne toilet paper.It is paramount that we
remember the government's sole purpose is to serve the people,NOT the
people serve the government.Endeaver to make our founding fathers proud.
 
 
                                           Just another redneck Texan on
a soap box
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Date:         Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:22:54 -0400
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From:         Trevor Weatherhead <queenbee@gil.com.au>
Subject:      Re: Breeding queens
 
Re Andrew's queen rearing.
 
>I have 2 * 4 frame and 1  * 5 frame nuc. nuc.s
 
>1* 4 framer  is in action , the others are in store ready to go
>So far I have done the following,  placed an old  frame with a fair
>part of the wax missing  2 frames from the centre of the strongest
>colony, this is an attempt to get a large number of drones  in the
>area.
 
You realise that it will be at about 40 days before the drones will hatch and
be mature enough to mate.  This assumes the queen lays in the newly made
drone comb straight away. You will probably get drone comb in the space
provided your conditions are good enough.
 
>I have started a Nuc. with 1 frame of foundation, 1 frame of polen
>and honey, 1 frame with freshly laid eggs and one frame with capped
>brood.
 
>This nuc has been put next to an active colony that has benn moced 6
>inches (150 mm) to the side  so that feild bees will  enter, this
>they have done.
 
That should make it very strong.  In fact, it could get too strong for the
box if your conditions are anyway good.
 
>The next  choice is
 
>to wait for 3 - 4 weeks and see if there is a new queen laying,
 
You will probably have a laying queen by then.  Cannot guarantee what she has
mated with.
 
>look  in the nuc next week end to see if queen cells are there,
 
Yes, you will most likely see queen cells.  Next step?
 
>move the nuc, a few metres / yards away (reason unknown yet)
 
Unknown to me also.  You will lose the field force back to your active colony.
 
>Other  (I'm still on L (Learner) Plates)
 
>Also I have read that this method can give agressive bee's is this so
> and if so why?  is it something to do with the feed of the grubs in
>emergency cells ??
 
Nothing to do with the feeding of the cells.  It is all in the genetics.
Which reminds me, do you know how to tell the difference between chromosomes?
Take off their genes.
 
The reasoning behind this is that you are breeding from a queen that has been,
presumably, open mated.  You have no guarantee as to what she has mated with.
You know that in your part of the world the feral hives are mainly Apis
mellifera mellifera, the old English black bee, and these can be aggressive.
This is compared to Apis mellifera ligustica, the Italian bee which I assume
your queen was breed from.
 
So you are starting with the possibility of having a queen breed from larvae
that is half mellifera mellifera.  When she goes out to mate, she could again
mate with these black bees so the progeny that comes from your new queen now
has a very high percentage of mellifera mellifera.
 
This is where the aggressive part comes from.  Having lived in your area and
kept bees there, I can vouch for the aggressiveness of the feral hives, having
tried to hive a few.
 
>I know this first Queen will not have the full benenfit of the Drones
>that I hope to grow, but I figure the next one shoud have a good
>chance.
 
Remember it will be 40 days before you will get any benefit, if at all, from
your drones.  Your drones will have to compete with others in the area.  I am
assuming that your queen, you are breeding the drones from, was raised from an
AI queen of known parentage.
 
Also, if your Eucalypt is tallowwood, it has to be introduced as tallowwood
does not grow naturally in your part of the world.  There are plantations of
it up your way.  Down in our part of the world, it can produce some pollen but
I have never seen a honey flow off tallowwood.
 
Well, you are probably more confused that when you first put your post on
Bee-L.  Keep going.  Queen rearing is a fascinating business.  As the saying
goes, the more you learn about queen rearing the more you learn that you don't
know anything at all.
 
Trevor Weatherhead
AUSTRALIA
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Date:         Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:35:50 -0400
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From:         David Green <Pollinator@aol.com>
Subject:      Re: Pesticide Bee Damage reported
Comments: cc: cspacekAflash.net@flash.net
 
In a message dated 97-10-13 22:31:59 EDT, cspacek@flash.net (curtis spacek)
write:
 
<< As you may have realized the government pays little attention to
 individuals.When individuals band together they suddenly are noticed.If
 all the members of the Palm Beach County Beekeepers Assn. were to
 suddenly pull all their hives from the county and at the same time
 notify all citrus growers in the area that there will be no pollination
 services for hire in that county you would suddenly have a large group
 of people breathing down the necks of all public officials involved in
 this pesticide hazard."Beekeepers on strike" signs could be placed on
 all access roads into the county with a short explanation of their
 plight to discourage others from filling this void.A radical approach?
 YOU BET!! But generally we're all too busy or too lazy too unorganized
 and too divided and distracted by the other problems of daily living
 to make our public servants perform their duties to our satisfaction.
 But as we are Americans,these public servants are there because "we the
 people" created these positions,we fund these positions through donating
 our hard earned money in the form of "taxes",we should not hesitate to
 to remind these servants of the public who they are are ultimately
 responsible to.Their really is no excuse for destroying a mans/womans
 livelyhood without paying reparations for accidental damage caused by
 errant pesticides.You should have been notified with enough advance
 warning to restrict the bees to their hives or remove them from the
 area.When it comes to reigning in our public servants we must be like
 the proverbial roll of John Wayne toilet paper.It is paramount that we
 remember the government's sole purpose is to serve the people,NOT the
 people serve the government.Endeaver to make our founding fathers proud.
 
 
                                            Just another redneck Texan on
 a soap box>>
 
 
Hmmmm....  Might work if there is enough media coverage. Here is another gun
for the battle:
 
The label directions for malathion prohibit application while bees are
foraging. The applicator is legally required to obey the label directions.
Application of malathion during the daytime hours without a monitoring system
to determine when bees are foraging is in violation. A wilful violation is a
criminal act.
 
The applicators know what the label says, and they refuse to check when bees
forage. They would rather evade the directions by notifying beekeepers.
 
Get a camcorder and record the applications in progress. Then show bees
foraging at the same time.
 
Go to the local magistrate and swear out a warrant for the arrest of the
applicators and the directors of the program for wilful, criminal pesticide
misuse. The tape is the evidence. Make sure the media know about this.
 
Of course this presumes you will do the groundwork ahead of time. I would
file freedom of information requests to get the names of the applicators, and
those who are directing the program.
 
We all have to start standing up. We can't keep on running and hiding. I
refuse to move bees or spend all my time chasing to "protect" the bees, when
the label clearly makes the applicator responsible for their protection.
Furthermore, their "end run" around the basic requirement of compliance with
the label, only offers a little protection for the known domestic bees. Wild
honeybees (so important as a possible source of genetically mite resistant
material, bumblebees, solitary bees and unknown honeybee hives are given no
protection at all.  All are important pollinators.
 
Pollinator@aol.com      Dave Green     Hemingway, SC 29554
The Pollination Scene:   http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html
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Date:         Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:27:43 -0600
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From:         Donald Aitken <darn@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Subject:      Re: Bucket Feeding--HELP!
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On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, George C Walker III wrote:
> Thanks for the description of the hivetop feeder.  Please give more
> instruction on the wire mesh cage over the island.  What size material?
> How placed over the hole? How bees access feed?
 
There are many different designs for the island and cage parts of the
feeders. Suppose the island is a single 3" X 3" X 3" block of wood glued
to the bottom of the plywood pan. It would have a 1" hole drilled right
through from the top of the block to the bottom and on through the bottom
of the pan. The bees then access the feed by crawling up through the hole
and down the outside of the island to the level of the sugar syrup.
 
Unfortunately, some of them float away from the island into the syrup and
drown. To prevent this, one makes a 3.5" x 3.5" x 3.5"  box of sheet
metal or wire mesh or thin plywood and inverts it over the island. This
cage allows them to crawl down the sides of the island but prevents them
from floating or flying into the syrup.
 
It does not seem to matter much what the cage is made of. I make mine with
four sides of 3/8" plywood and a 1/8" wire mesh top. The only real utility
of the mesh is to allow a view of the bees feeding and a place to smoke
them when removing the feeder. The commercial ones all seem to use two
squares of plywood for the ends joined by a piece of sheet metal bent
around to form the top and other two sides.
 
Best regards,
 
Donald Aitken
11710-129 Street
Edmonton Alberta Canada
T5M 0Y7
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Date:         Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:07:01 -0700
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From:         "Andy Nachbaur (by way of Andy Nachbar
              <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net>)" <andy.nachbaur@calwest.net>
Subject:      [Seeking Employment]
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From: "Mark D. Hoover" <mdillon@ecst.csuchico.edu>
Subject: Seeking Employment
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:19:57 -0700
Organization: California State University, Chico
 
I am currently seeking employment with a commercial beekeeping operation
in northern California.  If you or somebody you know is looking for help
please
let me know.
 
I will be graduating for California State University, Chico, in December
with a degree in Public Relations.  I would like to work with bees full
time after I graduate.  I have hands on experience with bees and I have
been studying beekeeping for the past couple of years.  I believe that my
degree could be useful to Apiaries seeking greater recognition and press
coverage.  However, my primary passion and goal is to work with bees.
 
I am skilled in wood and metal working.  I have a mind for production work
and I am not afraid to work hard.
 
Thank you for your consideration,
 
Mark Hoover
(916) 343-1893
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Date:         Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:12:00 GMT
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From:         Andy Nachbaur <andy.nachbaur@beenet.com>
Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA
Subject:      Sept Honey Prices
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        Some SEPT 1997 Honey prices as reported in the NATIONAL HONEY
        MARKET NEWS and other sources for 1997 crop Honey..
          __________________________________________________________
         (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////)
         (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////)
         /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
        |  Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1997 crop honey.        |
        |                                                            |
        |  IMPORTS   JULY 1997 totals  48.2 million kilograms        |
        |  EXPORTS                      2.1 million kilograms        |
        |  CANADA -SASKATCHEWAN                                      |
        :  Clover            71.5                white               :
        |  ARGENTINA                                                 |
        |  Clover            72.5-75 E/Coast     white               |
        |  mixed flower      68-72   W/Coast     light amber         |
        |  MEXICO  Mixed     68      W/Coast     light amber         |
        |  Texas Tallow      64                  light amber         |
        |  Louisiana Tallow  65                  light amber         |
        |  NORTH DAKOTA                                              |
        |  Clover            70-76               white               |
        |  CALIFORNIA                                                |
        |  Sage              70                  white               |
        |  Mixed Buckwheat   60                  ex lt amber         |
        |  Wild  Flowers     63-65               ex lt amber - amber |
        |  MONTANA Clover    70-88               white               |
        |  S. DAKOTA Clover  70-74               white               :
        |  WASHINGTON Clover 75                  white               |
        |  Alfalfa           65                  ex lt amber         |
        |  Mint              63                  amber               |
        |  WYOMING  Clover   70                  white               |
        |  WISCONSIN Clover  74-84               white               |
        |____________________________________________________________|
         \ The market continues even to up new crop size not known  /
          \ expected to be less then 1996. Imports over 100.000.000 lbs
           \------------------------------------------------------/
 
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(w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:22:29 +0000
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Comments:     Authenticated sender is <michaelc@accsoft.com.au>
From:         Michael Clark <michaelc@accsoft.com.au>
Subject:      Re : Salty Water
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> A beekeeper asked a question that I could not answer.  He has some bees
> going to salt water.  I mean SALTY water.  What gives?
>
> Thanks for the responses,
> Ed
 
A number of experiments were conducted on bees by Karl Von Frisch. In one of the
experiments he added salt at various concentrations to sugar solutions to determine
at what level the bees would notice the taste. He found that the bees would still
take the sugar solution even though the concentration of salt was well above the
point at which a human could detect the taste. (I can't remember the exact
concentrations). So maybe the answer to why are the bees going to salt water, is that
they DO NOT realise that it is salty. If you are interested the book is called "Bees:
Their vision, chemical senses and language" by Karl Von Frisch. A very interesting
book. Hope this helps
 
Michael
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Michael Clark
michaelc@accsoft.com.au
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