========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:36:44 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Sid Pullinger Subject: Large Bumblebee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Re my recent letter about a very large bumble bee in Israel. A reader in= New Zealand sent me the address of a beekeeper in Israel who runs 3500 stocks of honeybees and breeds bumbles as well. I wrote to him and he to= ld me it was a simple case of mis-reporting by an over enthusiastic reporter= who clearly knew nothing about the subject. Sidpul ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:59:19 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Bee food Hi All Andy Nachbars thread a while back abouut pollen reallyy fascinated me. I conducted a few experiments with freshly caught swarms of equal size. One swarm was given a frame of pollen, a frame of brood 30% capped. Another was given a similar frame of brood and a frame of drawn comb with uncapped nectar. Hive one had capped the frame of brood given, and produced another two frames of uncapped brood after a week. Hive two had removed much of the uncapped brood after two days and after a week had refilled the frame with eggs and larvae. So this means that in order to finish the brood and cap it, bees need actual pollen stores, not just pollen of the trees. Also has anybody on the list ever tried feeding bees lysine supplemments? Or any other AA for that matter? Keep well Garth --- Garth Cambray Kamdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 3rd year Biochemistry/Microbiology Rhodes University In general, generalisations are bad. Interests: Flii's and Bees. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:37:28 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Midnite Bee Subject: fall feeding/inspectors comments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Greetings! I have added the fall inspectors report and supplemental fall feeding on my web site. All hives are healthy and no swarming in the last five years. Goldenrod and blue aster flow is just about over...treated all hives with apistan,fumidil-b..have not treated with terramyacin(sic)...there is a reason for this? BTW-for the northern beekeepers and maybe for the rest of you..it is well WORTH the time to read Tony's articles.. Herb(Midnitebee) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:46:05 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Pesticide Bee Damage reported In-Reply-To: <971014113503_-627603552@emout02.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hmmmm.... Might work if there is enough media coverage. Here is another gun >for the battle: > >The label directions for malathion prohibit application while bees are >foraging. The applicator is legally required to obey the label directions. >Application of malathion during the daytime hours without a monitoring system >to determine when bees are foraging is in violation. A wilful violation is a >criminal act. > >The applicators know what the label says, and they refuse to check when bees >forage. They would rather evade the directions by notifying beekeepers. > >Get a camcorder and record the applications in progress. Then show bees >foraging at the same time. > Having been involved as a witness in some large bee kills, you should have a third party (who does not work for you or is not related to you) do the filming or any sampling. Because the beekeeper has a vested interest in the matter, any sampling, etc. done by the beekeeper will be called into question. The lawyers for the applicators will argue that the beekeeper purposely adultered samples used for residue analysis or "doctored" the time of filming, etc. Some very strong pesticide kill cases have been lost because the beekeeper handled the samples (remember all of the "chain of custody" issues from the Simpson case?). This is a tough one. In Montana, our large beekeepers may go 2-3 weeks before visiting a yard. Walking into a yard with a severe kill and piles of bees in front of the hives is a sad experience. More than one beekeeper has rushed back to the truck to get a bag or bottle to collect some samples (which the court throws out). Better to step back, go to a phone, and get someone else (preferably a bee inspector) to come, look over the situation, and take photographs and samples for residue analysis. And by the way, insist that any samples taken for residue analysis are kept separate by hive (I suggest that the inspector rank each sampled hive by degree of kill and write it down in a log - be sure to give the hive an identification number), store the samples in clean glass bottles or foil bags (never plastic), and freeze the samples immediately. Taking dry ice to the site is the best approach. Otherwise, hard freeze the samples as soon as possible. Also, the person who collected the samples should keep a log book and send a tracking (custody) form with the samples. Each time one person hands the samples to another (say collector to the postman, postman to analytical chemist, etc.) the form is to be signed by the person receiving the sample (and preferably by the person handing off the sample). The tracking form should be kept so that it can be produced in court. The other benefit to having a bee inspector out is that she or he can inspect the hives and rule out mites, disease, poor management as likely causes of the kill. Piles of dead bees and planes flying overhead just before the kill may seem obvious, but the lawyers will and have argued that the cause was poor management or disease. And finally, if your area requires you to register the exact locations of your apiaries, do put your bees on the proper sites. We had one MT beekeeper who lost lots of bees from industrial chemicals, but couldn't sue the company because his bees were not on the legally registered locations. In other words, he broke the law first. Jerry J. Bromenshenk, Ph.D. Director, DOE/EPSCoR & Montana Organization for Research in Energy The University of Montana-Missoula Missoula, MT 59812-1002 E-Mail: jjbmail@selway.umt.edu Tel: 406-243-5648 Fax: 406-243-4184 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:22:11 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ron Bogansky Subject: Honey Prices Over the weekend I was browsing at an antique market and I saw an empty 5 lb. honey can. I live in Eastern Pennsylvania and we only see honey in jars. I worked in a supermarket in high school and never saw honey in cans. The can was labeled "Empress" clover honey from the Intermountian States. It was packed for Safeway Foods. I am not sure but I think I may have seen this on the store shelves in the western US, probably in Phoenix or Salt Lake City. Anyway, what impressed me was that the original price was still on the bottom of the can: $1.29. I thought that this can must be very old. On second thought, honey may have been selling that cheap as little as 20 years ago. This got me thinking about honey prices. Ten years ago when I sold my first jars of honey I was told by one customer that my prices were much lower than the supermarket. I thought it was suppose to be that way. After all, this was a hobby and I was just off-setting the costs. How wrong I was, and I don't have that problem anymore. Just because you enjoy doing the job the final product doesn't lose value. Selling any product at a lower price than it is worth does a disservice to the industry. I argue this point with a beekeeper friend. He sells his honey much lower than I do. Although he has more colonies, and produces more honey than me, he complains that he is not making any money. He sells a lot of honey; more than he produces. He buys additional honey from me and other beekeepers, but in the end he only makes a few pennies on a pound. He has one wholesale customer who sells his honey $1.75 per pound more than he pays my friend for the jar. I sell my honey to health food stores and at a farmers market. I get the highest "fair" price I can. If someone comments (and this seldom happens) that my honey is more expensive then at the supermarket, I tell them they are absolutely right. But they won't be able to buy MY honey at the supermarket. I go on to tell them why my honey is better. I tell them that the quality of my honey is as good as or better than any other honey on the market. If beekeepers can't make this claim about their honey, then they should ask themselves WHY NOT. The price tag sends a message: Quality. We as consumers are accustomed to paying a little more for a better product. In fact some consumers associate a higher price with quality. This argument will only work if you are producing quality product in the first place. The market will decide that. The consumer always has a choice whether or not to buy. I guess I have said enough, its time to get down off the box. I probably stepped on a few toes but remember its just my opinion. You are probably wondering what I consider a "fair" price. I charge $3.25 retail and $2.00 wholesale for a one pound jar. Price comes down as container size goes up, but it never goes below $1.20 per pound. I produce between two and three thousand pounds per year. Its what I do and it works for me. If anyone has any information on Empress honey, let me know. I did pay a few dollars for the empty can and I am curious. Ron Bogansky Kutztown, PA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:29:10 -0400 Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Al Welk Subject: Re: Honey Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron Bogansky wrote: > I guess I have said enough, its time to get down off the box. I probably > stepped on a few toes but remember its just my opinion. You are probably > wondering what I consider a "fair" price. I charge $3.25 retail and $2.00 > wholesale for a one pound jar. Price comes down as container size goes up, > but it never goes below $1.20 per pound. I produce between two and three > thousand pounds per year. Its what I do and it works for me. Well Ron .... Yes and No. I somewhat agree with you. Wee all should strive to keep professional yet realistic standards on our product. The man I work for tries to get $3.00 for his honey. The lowest we sell wholesale it for is $2.08/lbs. That is to a grocery that buys in 60#bulk, we get our containers, plus any others back, and they commit to a minimum of 60#/month. On the other hand, I can't sell his honey to a vender when he is asking more than what they put it on the shelf for. His answer is a little harsher than your's "My honey is worth $3.00, and if they don't want then I'll just feed it back to my bees" Well needless to say we have a lot of last years honey left over and I don't know any bee keepers that would pay $3.00/lbs for sugar or any other bee feeding substute. I the big distributers tried to get $3.00 you would never see honey on the ingredient label of any food product. Corn syrup and flavors will take over the world. Well off my soap box now ..... We just need to find the delicate balance for our areas. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:31:09 CST Reply-To: lmb@plantpath.wisc.edu Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Lisa M. Buttonow" Organization: University of Wisconsin Subject: Re: Large Bumblebee Does anyone have information about breeding bumble bees. I am intriqued by the note from Sidpul which mentions breeding bumble bees in Israel. Please respond to me directly, as I only get Best of Bee. I will gladly pass replies on to interested parties or a composite of answers to bee-l. Thanks.. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:21:18 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Re: Large Bumblebee Comments: cc: LMB@plantpath.wisc.edu From: LMB@plantpath.wisc.edu (Lisa M. Buttonow): <> Israel is a world leader in Bumble production. Much of the cultural techniques are proprietary, so you are not likely to get much help from these folks. Here is a series of basics by Dr. Keith Delaplane, Extension Entomologist, University of Georgia: "Why Bumble Bees", pp 459-460 American Bee Journal, July 1995 "Bumble Beekeeping: The Queen Starter Box ABJ, Nov, 1995 "Bumble Beekeeping: Introducing Queens to Nest in Captivity" ABJ, Jan,1996 "Bumble Beekeeping: Handling Mature Colonies, Mating Queens" ABJ, Feb, 1996 The American Bee Journal, 51S. 2nd St., Hamilton, IL 62341 217-847-3324 Also check the alternative pollinator links on the page below. You might also wish to subscribe to the bumblebee list, though it is more research orientated than to culture. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:39:34 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Walter T. Weller" Subject: Re: Robbers Howdy - On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:19:27 -0400 Frank & Phronsie Humphrey wrote about a Robber Screen. I was much interested in the description, because with this long dry spell we're having a lot of robbing. Forgive my density, but I'm having trouble understanding how to build a Robber Screen. Would you mind giving me a little help? You say: >These can be made with 3/4" x 3/4" stock. 1 piece it the width of the hive >opening and 2 pieces about 3" to 4" long. Nail these together to form 3 >sides of a box whose length is the width of the opening. Over this staple >1/8" hardware cloth or window screening, leaving about a 3/4" gap at the >open side. I think I have a clear picture so far: at this point we have a rectangular frame, about 14 x 3, made of 3/4 x 3/4 stock, but made of only three pieces leaving one long side open. On top of this frame (on the bottom too?) is stapled a strip of screening, extending only to a line 3/4 inch from the the open long side of the frame. Right? But I'm not clear on what comes next: > Next nail a piece of 1" x 2" on the screen side to finish the box. This is where I start getting lost. I can't picture where to put this piece of 1 x 2. >The 1"x 2" should have an opening 1" x 3/8" cut in the bottom and at one >side. Does this cut go across a 1-inch edge of the 1x2? Or across the 2-inch side of the 1x2? Thanks. Walter Weller Post Office Box 270 Wakefield, Louisiana 70784 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:09:57 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mike Griggs Subject: Candle molds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have an order for a large quantity of 20 cm tapered candles. I am looking for a source of either silicone or polyurithane molds so I can get this order off fairly quickly. Besides Brushy Mountain, MannLake, Hobby & Art Work or The Barker Company (all are back ordered for two-three weeks) does anyone know of a source for this type of candle mold. If you do could you please e-mail me phone and/or address! Thanks in advance Mike Mike Griggs mhg@cornell.edu HTTP://www.ppru.cornell.edu/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:36:14 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: Re: Honey Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Ron Bogansky To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Honey Prices Date: October 15, 1997 4:22 PM >Over the weekend I was browsing at an antique market and I saw an empty 5 > >Just because you enjoy doing the job thefinal product doesn't lose value. >Selling any product at a lower price than it is worth does a disservice to the industry. > >The price tag sends a message: Quality. We as consumers > are accustomed to paying a little more for a better product. > >I guess I have said enough, its time to get down off the box. I probably >stepped on a few toes but remember its just my opinion. You are probably >wondering what I consider a "fair" price. I charge $3.25 retail and $2.00 >wholesale for a one pound jar. Price comes down as container size goes up, >but it never goes below $1.20 per pound. I produce between two and three >thousand pounds per year. Its what I do and it works for me. I agree. I sell my honey for $3.00/pound retail plus the cost of the jar. And a bit lower wholesale and only if I have to...;) I see some other beekeepers' honey at stores and the retail price is lower than I charge wholesale! I can't sell mine for that low a price. It's a hobby, but it also costs a lot of money and time to produce a honey that people tell me is excellent. The Ontario Beekeepers Association suggests we sell for $2.00/pound. I think that's even too low. 'Nuff said Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com real estate agent gardener baritone beekeeper---> 11 colonies and counting ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:18:28 -0500 Reply-To: cspacekAflash.net@flash.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: curtis spacek Subject: Re: Honey Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The retail price for retail honey can and should bee watever the market will bear.Supermarket prices are generally lower than specialty stores with health food stores higher than them all.The maximum price will vary with different clientel and area.less in rural areas more in large cities.The difference being in transport costs and general availability.more of a supply and demand type of marketing is required. try to sell early harvests or leftover honey from the year before at retail prices in small containers and as this market slows sell the rest on the wholesale market. I personally know of a fellow beekeeper who sold several thousand pounds of honey at $0.85 per lb. U.S. this year..........go figure:) labor costs drastically increase as container sizes decrease,so naturally price goes up.and how far is entirely up to what your customers are willing to pay.if you charge $3.00 lb. and you can't sell your goods you will ultimately end up lowering your prices until you move your product. hope everyone had a good year!!!!!! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:31:01 -1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Walter Patton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A major west coast packer offered this week 60 cents per pound and said a major US national packer coop had messed up the whole US market. Is everyone ready for the national honey board to start collecting .01 cents/lb from the producer as well as the first handler. Thats whats going to happen. Walter ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:15:23 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: Honey Prices In-Reply-To: Hi All I find this honey price thread interesting. So far we have people suggesting to sell at higher prices than in the store beecausee of high quality. Others suggest sticking to reccommended prices. My philosophy is as follows: Our store price is about US$3.80 (it is going up fast because of drought) per honey jar (approx 500g/a pound). If I sell to the store I would get US$1.50 ish. So I sell at US$2.80 approximately, which meeans people get a good product at less than thy would pay in the stores. I sell to diabetics and guarantee no sugar in the honey (for some reeason that is bad), so sell often up to 20 bottles a time. I also sell to my student friends at the same prices. People just write their nam onto a waiting list and they geet honey, cheapr and better than any othr way. It is good natural unheated honey. People like the aura of honey straight from the beekeepeer, and because I have a list I just send an e-mail to everyone who wanted honey and they come and get it. A good product at a good pric draws customers. Keeep well Garth --- Garth Cambray Kamdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 3rd year Biochemistry/Microbiology Rhodes University In general, generalisations are bad. Interests: Flii's and Bees. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:46:29 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbar Subject: Bulk Honey Price In-Reply-To: <199710170429.SAA15007@lehua.ilhawaii.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:31 PM 10/16/97 -1000, Walter Patton wrote: >A major west coast packer offered this week 60 cents per pound and said >a major US national packer coop had messed up the whole US market. Must bee "sour honey" from that major Left Coast packer as Sue Bee the only national packer and a producer run CO-OP has been buying domestic honey in California outside of what their members produce for .65 cents US for ex lt amber, alfalfa-cotton- fall wildflower, at the bee ranch. I wonder if this is the same packer who has been sending fax's around saying that the Sue Bee CO-Op is buying millions of pounds of honey from China? Must bee it is not working out so good for him as now he is seeking honey at distress prices. Could this have anything to do with that honey from Mexico that is said to be contaminated with a agricultural chemical used by beekeepers, and normally used by these Left Coast (honey) packers? >Is veryone ready for the national honey board to start collecting .01 >cents/lb from the producer as well as the first handler. Thats whats going to >happen. If it does happen then look for the carpet pile to increase in the NHB offices. Also look for multi language Honey Cook Books not only in Spanish but also Chinese. IMHO, ttul, the OLd Drone Honrey Sue Member ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:29:31 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ben and Barbara Davis <103576.3374@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Beekeeping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A frind of mine from Arnold MD visited with me over the weekend. Since he was very interested in my bees I would like to refer him to several Beekeeping organizations in his area. I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Ben ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:34:11 +0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rimantas Zujus Subject: Feeding minerals, vitamins, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janko writes: ...They are claiming that they have less problems with Nosema without using Fumagilin... Many of our bee keepers try to avoid using drugs. Against Nosema is used: wormwood (absinthium), wild marjoram, garlic. As for myself I apply garlic and wormwood successfully. The latter is useful for humans as well. Best regards Rimantas Zujus Lithuania e-mail: zujus@isag.lei.lt ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:05:41 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eunice Wonnacott Subject: Re: Miller Type Feeder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry: Tried to connect to the web address given, with no success. I have used Miller feeders for many years, and was always very satisfied with them. My son made mine for me, with 3/8 in plywood, well sealed at all joints. It is important for them to fit the supers. I imagine the depth could be varied. They can be refilled without lifting off , and can double in cold weather as a place for insulation just under the cover, for winter use,if one wished. Eunice ---------- > From: Excerpts from BEE-L > To: Bestofbee@systronix.net > Subject: Miller Type Feeder > Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 12:37 PM > > From: Barry Birkey > > For those who contacted me about construction details for the Miller > feeder, I finally have it available for download at: > http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html > > Along with much more info on hive construction -- ed). > > -Barry > > -- > Barry Birkey > West Chicago, Illinois USA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:11:35 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Peter Keating Subject: Re: Adulterated Honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Vince, a few years back Chinese honey was refused entry here into Canada because of both adulturation and contamination (with an acaricide). I have the reports that were presented to the Canadian Honey Council by Agriculture Canada and if you want, l could look for them and send you a copy. Yous, Peter ---------- > From: Excerpts from BEE-L > To: Bestofbee@systronix.net > Subject: Adulterated Honey > Date: October 9, 1997 10:00 AM > > From: Vince Coppola > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > Does any one know if honey of any origin has been denied entry to any > country because of adulteration or contamination ? Is there any > pertinant information on the web ? > > Thanks, Vince ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:04:22 -0400 Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Al Welk Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=2E01=A2=2Flb?= National Honey Board MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Walter Patton wrote: > Is everyone ready for the national honey board to start collecting .01 > cents/lb from the producer as well as the first handler. Thats whats go= ing to > happen. Walter, (et al) I'm not sure of your argument, so hopefully I can be educated here. I just got some thing from the NHB and was very pleased with their literature and items. I don't produce enough honey but I work with a man who yielded about 5600lbs this year. At .01=A2/lb he would putt out $56.00US. If he get his asking $3.00/lb he grosses $16,800. He would invest 0.3%, that's three tenths of one percent of his gross towards advertising, access to marketing information. That's less than what he has to pay for his business license. I also believe that being a member is totally voluntary. OK I'm naive on this but I was willing to pay the NHB just to get some of the free to members information that they have. It'a a great sourse of educational material for when I go to schools and things. Educate us newbees .... What is really so bad about the National Honey Board? Al Welk - Atlanta, GA, 2nd year, own 2 hives/ work 200 with a friend. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:06:33 -0600 Reply-To: Charles Harper Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Charles Harper Subject: Honey bee field day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On saturday, October 25 1997 There will be a Honey Bee Field Day presented by the Louisiana Beekeepers' Association and the USDA Honey bee breeding, Genetics & Physiology Laboratory on 1157 Ben Hur Road, Baton Rouge, LA Grounds open at 8:30 program begins at 9:15 FREE and open to the public for more information email charlie@iamerica.net Charles Harper Harper's Honey farm Carencro LA. 900+ Hives ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:10:19 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Re: Beekeeping In-Reply-To: <199710150931_MC2-23F9-9221@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:29 AM 10/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >A frind of mine from Arnold MD visited with me over the weekend. Since he >was very interested in my bees I would like to refer him to several >Beekeeping organizations in his area. I would appreciate any suggestions. > >Thanks, >Ben > > MD has state and county associations, where does your friend live? Jerry J. Bromenshenk, Ph.D. Director, DOE/EPSCoR & Montana Organization for Research in Energy The University of Montana-Missoula Missoula, MT 59812-1002 E-Mail: jjbmail@selway.umt.edu Tel: 406-243-5648 Fax: 406-243-4184 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:20:00 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: Re: Honey Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Garth > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: Honey Prices > Date: October 17, 1997 5:15 AM > I sell to diabetics and guarantee no sugar in the honey (for > some reeason that is bad), so sell often up to 20 bottles a time. That's some guarantee...since honey is probably 99% sugar and water. What you probably mean is Sucrose, but to a diabetic, sugar is sugar is sugar...and death. But I would seriously consider altering your "Guarantee" Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com real estate agent gardener baritone beekeeper---> 11 colonies and counting ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:28:23 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: bee raport MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RAPORT: FRYDAY, 17 OCTOBER 1997, 17.00 Autumn. West Europ, Rotterdam Temp 18 =B0C 65=B0F Bees collecting pollen [Image] Hedera helix Araliaceae Colour: dull yellow Isopolor semitectate oblate spheriodal tricolporate-aspidioporate, subtriangular in polar vieuw, oval depressed in equatorial . Colpi 28 x 3 u with sharp edges: 6 u lolongate pores. Apocolpium 4 u, mesocolpium 24 u; (per)reticulate heterobrochate sculpture; exine thichniss 1.5 u, intine thickniss 0.5 u; smooth cytoplasm. Polar axis =3D 32 u, equatorial diameter =3D 32 u. -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:45:53 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: bee raport MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AA8BC38DB22691C2BA673660" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AA8BC38DB22691C2BA673660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp1.xs4all.nl id SAA08517 RAPORT: FRYDAY, 17 OCTOBER 1997, 17.00 Autumn. West Europ, Rotterdam Temp 18 =B0C 65=B0F Bees collecting pollen [Image] Hedera helix Araliaceae Colour: dull yellow Isopolor semitectate oblate spheriodal tricolporate-aspidioporate, subtriangular in polar vieuw, oval depressed in equatorial . Colpi 28 x 3 u with sharp edges: 6 u lolongate pores. Apocolpium 4 u, mesocolpium 24 u; (per)reticulate heterobrochate sculpture; exine thichniss 1.5 u, intine thickniss 0.5 u; smooth cytoplasm. 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I also think that you should define LIABILITY, as it applies to yourself, and your honey. ---------- > From: Garth > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: Honey Prices > Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 5:15 AM > > Hi All > > I find this honey price thread interesting. So far we have people > suggesting to sell at higher prices than in the store beecausee of > high quality. Others suggest sticking to reccommended prices. > > My philosophy is as follows: > > Our store price is about US$3.80 (it is going up fast because of > drought) per honey jar (approx 500g/a pound). If I sell to the store > I would get US$1.50 ish. So I sell at US$2.80 approximately, which > meeans people get a good product at less than thy would pay in the > stores. I sell to diabetics and guarantee no sugar in the honey (for > some reeason that is bad), so sell often up to 20 bottles a time. I > also sell to my student friends at the same prices. People just write > their nam onto a waiting list and they geet honey, cheapr and better > than any othr way. It is good natural unheated honey. People like the > aura of honey straight from the beekeepeer, and because I have a list > I just send an e-mail to everyone who wanted honey and they come and > get it. A good product at a good pric draws customers. > > Keeep well > > Garth > > --- > Garth Cambray Kamdini Apiaries > 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis > Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation > 6139 > Eastern Cape > South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 > > 3rd year Biochemistry/Microbiology Rhodes University > In general, generalisations are bad. > Interests: Flii's and Bees. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:24:58 -1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Walter Patton Subject: NHB assessment & bulk prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The honey being offered the west/left coast packer was not sour honey although I thought the packer was pretty sour. I'm glad to hear that his price fixing attempt is not nation wide. I think Sue was mentioned as being the culprit. About the newbes and the NHB issue. The literature put out by the NHB is very impressive and the packer oriented projects that the NHB does are very high exposure stuff, let me be clear that I as a upstart packer thinks that the NHB is giving me wonderful exposure so I would never bad mouth the NHB. I was only sharing some news that I have read about the efforts by NHB to start the .01cents assessment on producers as well as first handlers. The beekeeper/honey producers I have spoken with have expressed anger about the NHB causing them to lose a penny per pound as the first handlers/packers have passed this cost back to the producers and that the NHB is only for packers mostly the giant packers. Like I say as a newbie packer I enjoy the services of the NHB. And by the way NHB is not voluntary it is mandated by the federal government and is punishable by law, and this gets my stuff really hot to have yet one more intrusion by big uncle and makes me suspect. Big Uncle programs are bothersome and I thought some others might have some thoughts. Walter ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:00:53 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Marlin (SCOTT) Kline" Subject: Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help Need List Of Commands ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:03:49 -0400 Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kathy Hough Subject: Re: Honey Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garth, It's always good to hear that somewhere else, yet another beekeeper is able to successfully market their honey at a fair price. In northeastern Mass., USA, we are currently getting $3.00 U. S. per lb.(in 1 lb. size) retail and $2.25 per 1 lb. jar wholesale (case lots only), though we may soon go up to $3.25 retail to not undercut our wholesale customer's prices. Our honey is also what is considered *raw*, not overheated (just warmed to ~100F for faster bottling) and not micro-filtered. > I sell to diabetics and guarantee no sugar in the honey (for > some reeason that is bad), so sell often up to 20 bottles a time. > Several people are having trouble with the portion of your original post. I wonder if you were trying to say that you guaranteed your honey to be free of any *added* sugars, sugars that have not been inverted by the bees?? If so, then you would be absolutely correct in stating that this would be valuable to some diabetics. Insulin dependant diabetics, when they are not (sometimes cannot) controlling their blood sugar levels, will feel light headed and weak if they need to eat. While some diabetics in the U.S. will grab for some candy when this occurs, both fruit juices and honey are a better choice. Honey (i think) is the best choice because it is metabolized so quickly. Just a guess, but I'll bet that a 3rd year Biochem/Microbio student at Rhodes University knew that honey was ~80-87% sugars :-) Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:17:46 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Marlin (SCOTT) Kline" Subject: [Fwd: Honey Prices]OFF SUBJECT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was looking to find,if there were any Clubs in the Cook-DuPage-Lake County area. Thank You Kathy Hough wrote: > Garth, > > It's always good to hear that somewhere else, yet another beekeeper is > able to successfully market their honey at a fair price. > > In northeastern Mass., USA, we are currently getting $3.00 U. S. per > lb.(in 1 lb. size) retail and $2.25 per 1 lb. jar wholesale (case lots > only), though we may soon go up to $3.25 retail to not undercut our > wholesale customer's prices. Our honey is also what is considered *raw*, > not overheated (just warmed to ~100F for faster bottling) and not > micro-filtered. > > > I sell to diabetics and guarantee no sugar in the honey (for > > some reeason that is bad), so sell often up to 20 bottles a time. > > > > Several people are having trouble with the portion of your > original post. I wonder if you were trying to say that you guaranteed > your honey to be free of any *added* sugars, sugars that have not been > inverted by the bees?? If so, then you would be absolutely correct in > stating that this would be valuable to some diabetics. Insulin > dependant diabetics, when they are not (sometimes cannot) controlling > their blood sugar levels, will feel light headed and weak if they need > to eat. While some diabetics in the U.S. will grab for some candy when > this occurs, both fruit juices and honey are a better choice. Honey (i > think) is the best choice because it is metabolized so quickly. > > Just a guess, but I'll bet that a 3rd year Biochem/Microbio student at > Rhodes University knew that honey was ~80-87% sugars :-) > > Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:29:56 -0400 Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Al Welk Subject: Re: Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marlin (SCOTT) Kline wrote: > > Help Need List Of Commands Send to "LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU" LISTSERV REFCARD Note that you send it to the list server not to the bee-l list. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:43:34 -0400 Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Al Welk Subject: Re: NHB assessment & bulk prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walter Patton wrote: > And by the way NHB is not voluntary it is mandated by the federal > government and is punishable by law, Well now I didn't know that! When I talked with them on the phone a few weeks ago they never implied that. I Assumed (and you know what they say about ASSume, whoever they are) that it was voluntary. I agree with you that the more you can keep big brother out the better. Thanks for the infromation. Al Welk- Atlanta, GA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:43:12 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Wout Subject: Honey Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> The price tag sends a message: Quality. We as consumers are accustomed to paying a little more for a better product.= In fact some consumers associate a higher price with quality. This argument will only work if you are producing quality product in the first= place. The market will decide that. The consumer always has a choice whether or not to buy.<< I grew up in the restaurant business. My father subscribed to a trade ra= g that ran a story about a suit and tie = restaurant in New York City that got over $20 a plate. They served peanu= t butter and jelly sandwiches! This was almost 20 years ago! Of course yo= u had a classy waiter pull a desert tray up to your table and he made your fair for you at your table. People paid for this. = What does this have to do with bees. Bees make honey and most likely, mo= st of us are part time or hobby type beekeepers. We put a special value in our product. It's a labor of love. We only make so much because we are small scale. Just like Detroit cars that were not overly mass produced i= n the '60s are worth 20 times their original value today our honey is rare,= coveted and worth more than mass produced honey. If people were stupid enough to buy $20 PB&J sandwiches 20 years ago I think they're smart enou= gh to pay an extra buck for our special honey. Ted Wout Red Oak, TX, USA the newest home of the AHB(according to public official= s and newspapers) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:50:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: BEES THAT SURVIVE VARROA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *1st seen in the sci.beekeeping news group. ---------------------------------------- In the October 1997 issue of the AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL's section on APICULTURAL RESEARCH page 742-747 are published two interesting papers one AN ISOLATED POPULATION OF ITALIAN BEES THAT HAS SURVIVED VARROA JACOBSONI INFESTATION WITHOUT TREATMENT FOR OVER 12 YEARS, and the DEFENSE OF AFRICANIZED BEE WORKERS AGAINST THE MITE VARROA JACOBSONI IN SOUTHERN BRAZIL. Please do read them. These papers confirm some of my own thoughts with one exception and that is the role of other pathogens and what the total load means to the health of the apiary.. How sad it is that multiple disciplinary research can not be carried out at the same time as without it it is to easy to interpret any research as the rule when it may not be. I need to know what other conditions exist in these apiaries that can be compared to what is found in my own area. As far as the average varroa count they are about the same here for both treated and untreated hives and in some yards the treated may have more then the untreated several months after treatment, 7-15 mites per 100 bee sample may be average. They do report the absence of AFB in Brazil, but what about the viruses and other bee pathogens? Few in the US have stepped forward and said they had honey bees that were infested with Varroa and could survive with OUT any treatment. A few have but many more have reported loss of bee hives under treatment for this pest then those who have not treated and see no problem. Of course all of these reports with maybe one exception must be treated as beekeeper observations and not research but one must realize that some research does begin because of what beekeepers think they are seeing in the field. The thing that interests me the most is that the problem seems not to be one of the individual hive but one of the total apiary and this makes it hard to explain as far as predators being the cause as they are normally considered the problem of the individual and not that of the masses. All disease study of honeybee apiaries is complicated by the fact that bees drift from hive to hive and under some conditions this may be increased such as the addition of feed, chemicals or drugs. One test that comes to mind is the fact that one group of test hives were treated with chemicals and that chemical could be recovered from the control hives also. My own guess is that if it was possible to transplant the bees from the isolated populations of the island of Fernado de Noronha, and those of southern Brazil into an apiary in the US that was failing from whatever they too would also fail. I am writing of what I have seen that is not much reported and that is the dramatic loss beekeepers in the US have experienced and I have observed, this is not the loss of one or a few hives but that of whole apiaries sometimes hundreds of hives or even thousands all at once. These are the losses that cause the total numbers of hives to decline in dramatic fashion because they can not be made up from survivors. These losses have been reported and seen by beekeepers for more then 100 years here in the US and are reported to be caused by whatever the popular pest, disease, or predictor of the day happens to be, including environmental, and seldom mentioned because of the lack of knowledge in the US, the many bee virus including some that can effect the reproductive efforts of the queen bee herself. If virus are the key, and the older I get the more convinced I am becoming they could be, then the dramatic loss of bees will continue in the US regardless of what control or what the pest beekeepers are using/seeing at the time and some beekeeper reports seem to indicate this today even as I write this. CHANGE OF TOPIC, interesting that at least one beekeeper in this news group, maybe tongue in cheek, asks about getting US African breeding stock. Let me add that because of the unreliability and high cost of certification it is doubtful that any will be available soon as the "pure" thing but African or Egyptian bees are around in large numbers and are being assimilated into beekeeping operations as they have been for the last 80 years or more. If someone really wants daughters of so called African bees just call around to the beekeepers in the areas that have them and I am sure some arrangements can be made to produce you some nice queens or cells, but be prepared to spend a lot of additional time on swarm control and honey harvesting. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- =FE QMPro 1.53 =FE Revised Job title =C4 File Clerk: Information Retrie= val Ad ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 07:33:54 -0700 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: BEES THAT SURVIVE VARROA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy, It is interesting that the limit of AHB in South America is where they hit cold winters. If cold is a factor, then it may not be viruses alone -everything I have read says viruses are a major factor- but that they cannot keep up with the losses caused by varroa. Cold does interrupt the brood cycle, while in the tropics they can keep propagating, swarming and absconding and keep up with varroa's effects, no matter what bee. Good post, Andy. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > *1st seen in the sci.beekeeping news group. > ---------------------------------------- > In the October 1997 issue of the AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL's section on > APICULTURAL RESEARCH page 742-747 are published two interesting papers > one AN ISOLATED POPULATION OF ITALIAN BEES THAT HAS SURVIVED VARROA > JACOBSONI INFESTATION WITHOUT TREATMENT FOR OVER 12 YEARS, and the > DEFENSE OF AFRICANIZED BEE WORKERS AGAINST THE MITE VARROA JACOBSONI IN > SOUTHERN BRAZIL. Please do read them. > > These papers confirm some of my own thoughts with one exception and > that is the role of other pathogens and what the total load means to the > health of the apiary.......... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:36:22 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: BBSs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Andy runs, and has run the Bee BBS (Bulletin Board System) mentioned above for years. With the improvement in modems and cheaper phone rates, BBSs become more accessible to all. It takes a little learning to find out how to navigate these resources, but many of us had our first online experiences using them. With experience and mdems running at high speeds, it is possible to learn how to log on, download all the info of interest, upload any messages in a matter of minutes, then work for hours offline before logging on again to once again d/l and u/l. There are usually many local BBSs (of all flavours) in any sizeable city to learn on, but then it is time to try some of the, more interesting and distant ones. Most are *not* accessible from the internet AFAIK, so direct dialing is necessary. I tried Andy's board years ago and had problems with phone line quality and was intimidated by phone costs and so have not perservered. I intend to try again after I finish this note. All that is required to connect is a terminal program such as the one that comes with Windows 3.1 (called 'terminal.exe' and which is found in the c:\windows directory), or the one that comes with Windows 95 called ("C:\Program Files\Accessories\HyperTerminal\hypertrm.exe). I believe there are some bee related BBSs in Europe too, so maybe people will contribute the phone numbers and a bit of info on some of the bee BBSs available. Allen --- Newsflash! Visit http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/beel.htm to search BEE-L archives the easy, easy way or to update or change your subscription options. --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:41:20 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Computer Software Solutions Ltd Subject: Injecting Bee Venom Artificially Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All I am reading many postings re using bee venom to treat various complaints. The fundamental requirement is to have access to bee venom on an on going basis. This seems to be achieved by having a bee, sting the patient concerned. My question is this. Is it not possible, just like AI in say cattle, to store the bee venom in a controlled environment, and then make it available for treatment when needed?. I live in Ireland, and our bees are out of circulation from around November to March (depending on the severity or otherwise of the winter). Again thanks for your comments and advice Sincerely Tom Barrett Computer Software Solutions Ltd 49 South Park Foxrock Dublin 18 Ireland e mail: cssl@iol.ie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:32:33 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "W. G. Miller" Subject: Re: Injecting Bee Venom Artificially A freeze-dried form of bee venom is available in the US as a perscription drug. The venom is re-ydrated such that 1 ml = the equivalent dose of 1 bee sting, and this is injected into the patient. This was what was given to me when I underwent bee sting allergy desensitization. It hurts less than a bee sting. W. G. Miller Gaithersburg, MD ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:52:47 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Augustus C.Skamarycz" Subject: Re: Injecting Bee Venom Artificially Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:41 PM 10/18/97 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All > >I am reading many postings re using bee venom to treat various complaints. >The fundamental requirement is to have access to bee venom on an on going >basis. This seems to be achieved by having a bee, sting the patient concerned. > >My question is this. Is it not possible, just like AI in say cattle, to >store the bee venom in a controlled environment, and then make it available >for treatment when needed?. > >I live in Ireland, and our bees are out of circulation from around November >to March (depending on the severity or otherwise of the winter). > >Again thanks for your comments and advice > >Sincerely > >Tom Barrett >Computer Software Solutions Ltd >49 South Park >Foxrock >Dublin 18 >Ireland > >e mail: cssl@iol.ie > >In New England I Give Bees to people all year long for BVT. Don't be afraid to open your hives all winter long. By removing so Bees you stimulate the colony to raise more Bees. Try it you may learn alot. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:45:02 +-200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jorn Johanesson Subject: Pollen data converted to Mac MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all Mac users. On request I have converted the pollen data file to a DBF file so that other than win95 or win3.1+ might be able to have use of it! Please if you find this Job I have done is of value for You send me a 20 dollar bill :-) get the file from the following urls http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo http://www.wn.com/apimo Best regards Jorn Johanesson Solsortevej 27, Assens DK 9550 Mariager e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:25:17 +0900 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: j h & e mcadam Subject: Re: Bees in nature reserves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Garth wrote: > >I have just been wondering what the stance is in areas where bees are >an introduced species towards their presence in Nature reserves? The situation in Australia is that conservation movements disapprove of access by bees to National Park sites on the grounds that the bee is an introduced species. This is so even when it has been established that bees improve the pollination of native species, in particular eucalypts, by increasing weight and number of fertile seeds. The position by National Parks staff is blind opposition. Until recently there has been little research on the effect of bees (and no interest in having this done). However recent projects by Dr. David Paton have found (if I understand them correctly) that: 1. Commercial bee hives do not increase the population of feral bee hives. 2. Bees prefer hive sites with very small access holes, which are unlikely to be chosen by nesting birds. On Kangaroo Island the K.I. Beekeepers Association is working with the Glossy Black Rescue Team which is dedicated to restoring the Red Tailed Glossy Black Cockatoo to a sustainable level. Early publicity accused bees of occupying nesting sites set up for cockatoos at the rate of 10% a year. The Association has been working with trap hives in nesting areas and reporting on success rates as well as actively trapping swarms in daily beekeeping activities. The Rescue Team has now discovered that the main predator of Glossy Black eggs is the possum and preventing possum predation has lifted the number of birds fledged to above the minimum recovery level. Working with the Glossy Black Rescue Team has enabled a cross-flow of information such as the likely swarming times and reasons for swarming (many eucalypts are pollen deficient and hive populations drop during flowering). Nesting hives have also been provided with input from the Association. The nest roofs are of polypropylene which we have never known bees to select for hives. However the barrier to multi-purpose use of forest areas is the ideology of National Park staff. New South Wales beekeepers have argued that the bee has become naturalized and fills a vacant niche. The comment of one National Park spokeswoman when asked "If the natural pollinator is extinct and the plant relies now on bees, what will you do?" replied that she would prefer the plant died out rather than permit bees access. The political process is agonizingly slow in educating the political masters and likely to be interrupted by elections, thus taking you back to first base. Beekeepers are actively involved in land care movements and conservation but their reward is to have the areas defined as "heritage" and bees excluded. The key to obtaining the access to national resources which is vital for the health of the apiary industry and therefore the entire primary industry area, is properly conducted research to demonstrate that the arguments against bees are invalid and to properly record the value of forests in honey production. This takes money and lots of time and can only be conducted by State or Federal Associations with access to relevant government ministers to ensure the message is not being derailed by bureaucratic stone-walling. Betty McAdam HOG BAY APIARY Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island j.h. & e. mcadam Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Frank & Phronsie Humphrey Subject: Re: Robbers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Walter T. Weller To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 04:44 PM Subject: Re: Robbers >Howdy - > >On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:19:27 -0400 Frank & Phronsie Humphrey > wrote about a Robber Screen. > >I was much interested in the description, because with this long dry >spell we're having a lot of robbing. > >>These can be made with 3/4" x 3/4" stock. 1 piece it the width of the >hive >>opening and 2 pieces about 3" to 4" long. Nail these together to form 3 >>sides of a box whose length is the width of the opening. Over this >staple >>1/8" hardware cloth or window screening, leaving about a 3/4" gap at >the >>open side. > > >> Next nail a piece of 1" x 2" on the screen side to finish the box. > >Thanks. > >Walter Weller >Post Office Box 270 >Wakefield, Louisiana 70784 > > Robber Screen Assy. 14" Wide ____________________________________ |___________________________________ | | |################################| | | |################################| | | |################################| | | |################################| | | |################################| | | | Nail screen leaving 3/4" gap at bottom | | ____________________________________ | | | _____ 1x2" stock | |__| |____________________________| ___ Hive odors exit Here |__ | \ > | | This side Nail screen Here===> | | nailed to | | front of __| | hive. | | | Nail 1 x 2 Here===> |__|__| hive entrance==> Let me know if this helps. Frank & Phronsie Humphrey beekeepr@cdc.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:28:43 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbar Subject: POLLINATION RESULTS In-Reply-To: <344A2A7C.7B0BE1EB@calwest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Honeybees and beekeepers acknowledged as responsible for bumper crops of cranberries, ($1,400,000,000,000.00 or 1.4 billion $$)in areas reported by others as having lost 90% of the bee populations? Check it out on the ABC News web page below. What ever your slant on the hype and misinformation still being passed like the wind on the reported the loss of all feral bees and much of the hive bee populations the facts seem to be the effect on agriculture has been limited as the 1997 crop reports come in for the year and all the bee, honeybee,(feral and hive) pollinated crops report record yields with Cranberries taking the dollar lead from the 1996 and 1997 billion dollar California almond crop. http://www.abcnews.com/sections/business/harvest/harvest_cran.html ttul, the OLD Drone ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:36:00 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Walt Barricklow Subject: Re: POLLINATION RESULTS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the number of zeros that you use much better than what I make. ---------- > From: Andy Nachbar > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: POLLINATION RESULTS > Date: Sunday, October 19, 1997 12:28 PM > > > > > > Honeybees and beekeepers acknowledged as responsible for bumper > crops of cranberries, ($1,400,000,000,000.00 or 1.4 billion $$)in areas > reported by others as having lost 90% of the bee populations? Check it > out on the ABC News web page below. > > > What ever your slant on the hype and misinformation still being passed > like the wind on the reported the loss of all feral bees and much of the > hive bee populations the facts seem to be the effect on agriculture has > been limited as the 1997 crop reports come in for the year and all the > bee, honeybee,(feral and hive) pollinated crops report record yields with > Cranberries taking the dollar lead from the 1996 and 1997 billion dollar > California almond crop. > > > http://www.abcnews.com/sections/business/harvest/harvest_cran.html > > > > ttul, the OLD Drone ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:49:07 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Rosenbaum Subject: Young Queen available in Seattle area. In-Reply-To: <01bcdca6$32839fa0$8407f4cf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I ordered a "Young Starline Queen (clipped and marked)" from York Bee Co. in Georgia last Monday, Oct. 13. She was to be shipped priority mail to Bothell, WA. (near Seattle), but didn't arrive by Saturday Oct. 18. I no longer need her, and will give her to a 'good home' if anyone in the area is interested. Please respond by e-mail or phone me at work: (206) 526-2134 or home: (425) 487-2437. Best wishes, David Rosenbaum (I'm a novice beekeeper with 3 hives and last weekend I found that one of them was queenless. I ordered the new queen, but she didn't arrive. On further inspection of the queenless hive, I found evidence of laying workers (bullet-capped cells). I've read that trying to introduce a queen into a hive with laying workers is nearly impossible, and the weather here is getting colder, with greyer days, so I divided the queenless hive and added one hivebody to each of the other two (strong) hives, using the newspaper technique. Hopefully this will work. In any case, I don't need the queen I bought.) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:24:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: JEAN ELSEN s.a.JEAN ELSEN s.a. - NumismatistsAvenue de Tervueren 65B- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 040 Brussels BelgiumTel: 0032.2.734.63.56 Fax: 0032.2.735.77.78E-mail: n= umisma ique@elsen.beWebsite: http://www.elsen.beCollection : The bee and the hiv= ein nu ismatics *FYI* check it out... ---------------------------------------- From: "Jean ELSEN s.a." Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:31:57 +0100 Subject: JEAN ELSEN s.a. JEAN ELSEN s.a. - Numismatists Avenue de Tervueren 65 B-1040 Brussels Belgium Tel: 0032.2.734.63.56 Fax: 0032.2.735.77.78 E-mail: numismatique@elsen.be Website: http://www.elsen.be Collection : The bee and the hive in numismatics Dear Sir, We have the pleasure to announce you that we will present Jean Nivaille'= s collection in our 52th auction planned on 13th December 1997. Jean Nivaille's collection was elaborated during several decades and is composed by most than thousand coins and medals, from the antiquity till today. This collection is the most important one in the world focused on the bee and the hive in numismatics. An important number of lots that constitute this collection come from the famous Spiegel's collection, sold in K=F6ln in Germany in 1980. The collection contains numerous rarities, especially in the Ancient Gree= k coins. The bee was the symbol of the Greek city of Ephesius. During the Modern Times, coins and medals were strucked in the name of pope Urbanus VIII (1623-1644) with the bees of his coat of arms. Symbols of prosperity, work and industry, the bee and the hive figure on = a lot of medals strucked from the Renaisance: peace medals, wedding medals.= .. The bees were also selected as the emblem of the secretaries of the king = in France. Of course, the collection contains also impressive worldwide series of medals of societies of beekeepers. The catalogue will be presented on-line with pictures on our website at http://www.elsen.be We would be pleased to send a free hard copy of the catalogue to any interested person. May we ask you to contact us if you are interested in = at the following address: numismatique@elsen.be Yours sincerely Jean Elsen s.a. Business Hours : Monday to Saturday, 9 AM-6 PM Brussels time We accept Visa, MasterCard, EuroCard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:24:47 -0700 Reply-To: vcoppola@epix.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vince Coppola Subject: Re: Adulterated Honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Keating wrote: > > Hi Vince, > a few years back Chinese honey was refused entry here into Canada because > of both adulturation and contamination (with an acaricide). I have the > reports that were presented to the Canadian Honey Council by Agriculture > Canada and if you want, l could look for them and send you a copy. > Yous, Peter Hi Peter, This is the sort of thing I'm looking for. If it's not too much bother I would like a copy of that report and will gladly pay postage. I heard that Chinese honey is required to be warehoused, at importers expense, untill it is tested by the Canadian goverment. Is that still true? Do you know if adulturation or contamintion is found anymore? Thank You, Vince ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:16:56 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Debbie Hutchings Subject: Colour Cordovan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01BCDCED.79AA6020" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BCDCED.79AA6020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone! I have a question for someone with expereance in bee breeding. Can the = colour cordovan happen in the Carniolan honey bee? If you have this = colour in your bees does, or could, it mean that you have a isolated = mating area, and could a person be therefore inbreeding??? Help me with = the what if's. I was checking in on my hives for the winter to see if = all had queens, and to my surprise 3 of my 25 hives are headed (queens) = with this strange coloured bee. I also found that about half of the = workers are also this colour (bronze colour where they should be black) = and the other half are carniolan in colour. What gives? Debbie from Canada. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BCDCED.79AA6020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I have a question for someone with = expereance in=20 bee breeding.  Can the colour cordovan happen in the Carniolan = honey=20 bee?  If you have this colour in your bees does, or could, it mean = that you=20 have a isolated mating area, and could a person be therefore = inbreeding??? =20 Help me with the what if's. I was checking in on my hives for the winter = to see=20 if all had queens, and to my surprise 3 of my 25 hives are headed = (queens) with=20 this strange coloured bee.  I also found that about half of the = workers are=20 also this colour (bronze colour where they should be black) and the = other half=20 are carniolan in colour.  What gives?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BCDCED.79AA6020-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:37:28 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Need Queen for BEe removal project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here in Santa Barbara, we are heading into autumn. One would think that the bees would begin slowing down. Unfortunately maybe this new weather pattern, El Nino, has nature in a confusion. The Blue Gum Eucalyptus trees are already flowering; normally they don't do this until Dec. after a few rains. The bees are still on the move. I have been getting a few swarm calls. The sizes of the swarms are very small so it makes me think that these are "suicide swarms" or mite-absconding swarms, perhaps trying to get away from a dying colony. I know this phenomenon is seen in AHB, multiple swarms to break the mite cycle. Perhaps we will begin seeing this in the North American feral population. Anyway I have a bee removal project, and need to make a small nuc. Are there are queens available at this time of the year? SOmeone mentioned that I can get one from Hawaii. Any "Kona" queens out there? Looking for the rains to start in Santa Barbara to begin a **better** honey year. Paul Cronshaw DC Cyebrchiro Hobby Beekeeper in Santa Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:44:59 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Sid Pullinger Subject: Bumblebees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As a result of my letter on giant bumblebees and the follow-up I have received several requests for more information on rearing bumbles. Beyon= d setting out artificial nesting sites around my garden I have very little knowledge of them and none when it comes to breeding them. I consulted a= commercial friend who supplies honey bees to greenhouse growers of early tomatoes and strawberries and he told me it is quite an industry in Belgi= um and Holland and very much a trade secret. Apparently the skill lies in coaxing the queens to come out of hibernation early and start a colony we= ll in advance of normal. He reckons that growers in Britain import some 10,000 "nests" annually for early crops. I have seen one of these "nests= " at a convention some time ago. As I recall the bees come in a cardboard= box approximately 12 by 12 by 6 inches deep. There are two compartments= , one for the bees and one for food, sugar syrup and pollen. Dave Green gave you two references, Keith Delaplane's aritcles in the ABJ= for 1995. Mr Delaplane followed these with three more in 1996, ABJ January, Februar= y = and June. Having checked on these articles I suggest they contain all th= at anyone needs to get started although it is not something to be undertaken= lightly. If one needs more information IBBRA has a small book on Bumblebees. Try H-W-.CARDIFF.AC.UK/IBRA/INDEX.HTML E-Mail = IBRA@CARDIFF.AC.UK Perhaps some kind Bee-List member in Holland, Belgium or Israel will come= up with some more information. Sid P. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:33:21 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: Bees in nature reserves In-Reply-To: Hi All > Subject: Re: Bees in nature reserves > > Garth wrote: > > > >I have just been wondering what the stance is in areas where bees are > >an introduced species towards their presence in Nature reserves? Betty J. McAdam Wrote: > The situation in Australia is that conservation movements disapprove of > access by bees to National Park sites on the grounds that the bee is an > introduced species. This is so even when it has been established that bees > improve the pollination of native species, in particular eucalypts, by > increasing weight and number of fertile seeds. This is probably why. Bees shift a population naturally being a different pollinator to the ones of old. So that means that eventually you will end up with a population of trees that are suitable for bees to live on. With time areas with large stands of pollen defficient trees may say for example become bee defficient and eventaully the trees there will be replaced by other trees. Maybe onces something had a beheviour pattern that meant it could scavenge enough pollen of these trees? > > The position by National Parks staff is blind opposition. Until recently > there has been little research on the effect of bees (and no interest in > having this done). However recent projects by Dr. David Paton have found > (if I understand them correctly) that: > > 1. Commercial bee hives do not increase the population of feral bee hives. > > 2. Bees prefer hive sites with very small access holes, which are unlikely > to be chosen by nesting birds. But are they likely to be chosen by native Trigonids? And what effect does a beehive with increase moisture etc have on the innnerds of a tree? > > On Kangaroo Island the K.I. Beekeepers Association is working with the > Glossy Black Rescue Team which is dedicated to restoring the Red Tailed > Glossy Black Cockatoo to a sustainable level. Early publicity accused bees > of occupying nesting sites set up for cockatoos at the rate of 10% a year. > The Association has been working with trap hives in nesting areas and > reporting on success rates as well as actively trapping swarms in daily > beekeeping activities. This sounds like a good responsible thing to do. > However the barrier to multi-purpose use of forest areas is the ideology of > National Park staff. New South Wales beekeepers have argued that the bee > has become naturalized and fills a vacant niche. The comment of one These arguments appear around the world. Here we have people that say trout and oak trees are now naturalised. That is a myth. It takes a eucalypt say 10 years to start seeding prolifically, another ten to establish a mature thicket, maybe a hundred to go through a succession satge. And maybe a thousand to stabilise. Then bees will have altered their environment. Then maybe they will be naturalised. > National Park spokeswoman when asked "If the natural pollinator is extinct > and the plant relies now on bees, what will you do?" replied that she would > prefer the plant died out rather than permit bees access. That is also silly. > The key to obtaining the access to national resources which is vital for the > health of the apiary industry and therefore the entire primary industry > area, is properly conducted research to demonstrate that the arguments > against bees are invalid and to properly record the value of forests in > honey production. This takes money and lots of time and can only be Honey production yes. Are there natural honey producers in Australia? No noe that produce a similar surpluss, so something must be wrong with the approach of Apis mellifera and it may be an over industrious species. Sorry to be argumentative about this, but I do believe that A.m must have an effect, and hence should be eradicated from nature reserves. In the rest of the country it can be kept, just controlled. That is similar to the approach of the government here eradicating exotic plants like eucalypts, wattles and accacias from nature reserves. This has also negatively affected indigenous A.m bee pops in the reserves. Honey for thaught! Keep well Garth --- Garth Cambray Kamdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 3rd year Biochemistry/Microbiology Rhodes University In general, generalisations are bad. Interests: Flii's and Bees. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:23:58 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Patrick & Mary Caldwell Subject: Re: Bee space MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Debbie... Saw your posting about the D.E. hive, and I'm very interested in how you feel about it, especially as a woman and a fairly new beekeeper. I am going to be starting bees in the spring, and would like your thoughts. Thanks in advance! Mary Caldwell Benicia, CA ---------- From: Debbie Hutchings To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Re: Bee space Date: Friday, September 26, 1997 7:21 AM Hi Everyone! I tried one new hive this summer to see how it would work out, (if what was said about it claimed to be true). I am very excited about how it's been working out! At any time I can open this hive and not have to pry or pull at it, to get anything apart. Frames come out by simply lifting them out without useing my hive tool. I'm not trying to advertise anything here... I'm just stating what I've found, seeing this tread is about bee space, bur comb, problems with everything stuck down. It maybe also contributed to that, the bees who live there are not inclined to stick things together, but I personally think it is due to the dementions of this hive. I'm going to use these hives from here on, because it saves me much time, when going through and checking on what the bees are up to. This hive is called the D.E. Hive and is, I think the brain child from The Bee Works, here in Canada. Since this summer I have raised and expanded my hives from Two to twenty-five, and also sold four nukes. The other hives are all langs which I find awkward compaired to this particular hive. Bee Good. Debbie from Canada... 2nd year bee keeper 25 hives and growing..... ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:04:16 +0900 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: j h & e mcadam Subject: beekeeping records Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The recent discussion on beekeeping records and spread-sheets versus customised programmes degenerated into a slanging match. I was impressed by one contributor who asked for ideas and will now add my own thoughts. Keeping records is for the purpose of assisting decision making. Beekeepers vary in their application to writing up details. One beekeeper I know weighs his supers in the field, deducting previous weights. Another, when asked to nominate his best queen, drives into the apiary site and looks for the busiest hive. Computers will save time but will not keep records. If a beekeeper is not committed to at least a day-book of hive visits, there is no point in pretending otherwise. Anybody with 10 or less hives will not save time by using a computer. A simple day book and card index will provide all the relevant information. A day-sheet drawn up with columns for ticks for maintenance information such as "Queen sighted" "Fresh eggs", "Brood pattern" etc. will enable hive health to be tracked. Spread-sheets only enable analysis of the records they are initially set up for. Data bases can be continually amended when need for further information arises. I agree with the comment that Yards can vary from year to year so hives from different Yards cannot be compared as like to like. However the first question that any beekeeper must answer is: What do I want to know? My system is written on Microsoft Access (by my computer programmer husband) and the important information is defined as: Production per hive Last year's production per hive Production per apiary site Queen line Requeening date Queen assessment information Current location of hive Weight, type and date of extractions Maintenance problems requiring correction The production is estimated by counting frames and dividing by formula from total weight extracted. This is of course not as accurate as weighing supers but I consider the only honey worth counting is the honey passing through the extractor. All information can be kept from one daily record sheet and posted to computer. Check lists of hive locations, maintenance requirements and top production can then be produced, arranged in whatever order I desire. Hives are moved interchangeably between apiary sites depending on flowering cycles. Can anybody contribute any other information that is desired for good apiary management? Betty McAdam HOG BAY APIARY Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island j.h. & e. mcadam Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Bee Works Subject: Re: Robbers In-Reply-To: <01bcdca6$32839fa0$8407f4cf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 19 Oct 97 at 11:46, Frank & Phronsie Humphrey wrote: > >I was much interested in the description, because with this long > >dry spell we're having a lot of robbing. > > > >>These can be made with 3/4" x 3/4" stock. 1 piece it the width of > >>the > >hive > >>opening and 2 pieces about 3" to 4" long. Nail these together to > >>form 3 sides of a box whose length is the width of the opening. > >>Over this > >staple > >>1/8" hardware cloth or window screening, leaving about a 3/4" gap > >>at > >the > >>open side. > Robber Screen Assy. > 14" Wide > ____________________________________ > |___________________________________ | > | |################################| | > | |################################| | > I don't wish to demean what Frank & Phronsie are suggesting, but this is a long winded method of closing down an entrance which is about the only way to stop robbing. We use two pieces of wood, cut to fit the entrance to leave a 2 1/2 -3 inch by 3/8ths opening. Even a relatively small nuc will be able to guard and prevent robbers. Prevention is even better!! Never leave a hive inner cover off for too long, always use manipulation clothes, be extremely careful on filling feeders. Queenless hives seem to draw robbers, possibly because the bees are demoralised. Contrary to popular belief, I believe that open barrel feeding encourages robbing, as the feeding frenzy will carry on long after the sugar (or whatever) if finished. ******************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Dr, Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, L3V 6H1 Phone/fax 705-326-7171 David Eyre, Owner. http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks e-mail ******************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:11:27 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Penny Jennings Subject: bee color vision Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Bee-L: I am doing research for a science museum exhibition for kids about different types of animal eyes. The exhibition is being developed by the Museum of Ophthalmology in San Francisco. It will travel to museums throughout the United States and Canada for four years beginning in early 1999. I am looking for information regarding bee color perception research techniques--how do we know what colors bees can see? Any leads (ideally name & contact info of individual researchers, or books or journal articles about this type of research) would be greatly appreciated. Please reply directly to me: pennyj@exploratorium.edu Thanks in advance for your help with this project! Penny Jennings Redmond-Jones & Associates 1250 Addison St. Suite 102 Berkeley, CA 94702 phone (510) 486-8224 pennyj@exploratorium.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:09:39 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Bumblebees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Perhaps some kind Bee-List member in Holland, Belgium or Israel will come > up with some more information. Sid P. I cited from Apimondia, Antwerpen. Progamma and summaries of the raports site 76 Nr. 450 Pollination of corps with reared bumblebee colonies started only 10 years ago. By then, bublebees appeared to be reliable, eficent and relatively cheap (compared to current practice of hand-pollination) pollinators of tamato crops in greenhouse in Belgium and the Netherlands. During the past 10 years, the production of bublebee colonies for poolination puposes has increased enormously. In 1996, probably close to half a million bublebee colonies were sold worldwide, representing a value of about 75 million US$. Most od the sales concern BUMBUS terrestis (used in Europe, the Middle East, northern Afica, Asia and New Zealand), Bumbus impatiens and Bumbus occidentalis (both species are used in Nord America) At present, tomato corps in glass-, plastic or net-houses still constitute the major object for bublebee pollination; other corps include, among others, peppers, melons, eggplants, stawberies, blue-berries and cranberries end of the cited -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:19:00 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Hartman B. Canon" Subject: Strange BLACK BALLS in Hive MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have had bees for about 10 years, in PA, OH, and now FL. Yesterday I took off the honey, and while doing so, I noticed embedded in the wire screen of the queen excluder 1/2 of a (formerly) 2.5 in. wood roach (bottom half only) well cemented on, AND about 50-60 BLACK BALLS , almost perfectly spherical, about 3/16 in. in diameter, most clumped at one end of the excluder but some randomly distributed on the wire grid, all well cemented on. What have I got? H.B.Canon Geneva, FL HBCanon@homemail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:30:50 GMT+2 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MIKE ALLSOPP Organization: N.I.P.B VREDENBURG Subject: Penncap-M bee losses Greetings all Fruit producers (apples & pears) in South Africa have, for the first time this year, sprayed Penncap-M (microencapsulated methyl parathion) on their crops. Which has resulted in quite a bit of bee mortality, and quite a furore. Looking through the literature I have found that much the same occurred in the USA (and Australia?) in the early 1980's, but there is not much reported since the mid-1980's. Can anyone help me with any of the following questions? (1) Is Penncap-M still used in the USA, Europe, Australia - and on what crops? (2) What are the spray conditions (pertaining to bees) for its use? (3) Are there still honeybee losses due to Penncap-M? Many thanks Mike Allsopp Stellenbosch, South Africa Mike Allsopp tel (27)(21) 887-4690 Honeybee Research Section fax (27)(21) 883-3285 Plant Protection Research Institute pmail plant3/vredma Agricultural Research Council email vredma@plant3.agric.za P/Bag X5017 Stellenbosch 7599 South Africa ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:10:15 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbar Subject: Re: Strange BLACK BALLS in Hive In-Reply-To: <01IP10Q30X0I010ZPC@emamv1.orl.mmc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:19 AM 10/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >cemented on, AND about 50-60 BLACK BALLS , almost perfectly spherical, >What have I got? My guess is that what you are looking at are the heads of drones who were trapped above the excluders and died. The embalmber bees were able to remove all but the heads and may have covered them with bee glue. ttul, the OLd Drone ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:23:57 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbar Subject: Re: Penncap-M bee losses In-Reply-To: <1B2037D4AAA@PLANT3.AGRIC.ZA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:30 PM 10/20/97 GMT+2, you wrote: >Can anyone help me with any of the following questions? > >(1) Is Penncap-M still used in the USA, Europe, Australia - and on >what crops? Yes, about the same as in your area, can't say for sure as I don't have a label for the product close at hand. >(2) What are the spray conditions (pertaining to bees) for its use? Again, without the label it would be a guess but you can be sure it has the normal precautions including "don't apply to blooming crops when bees are in the field", or some such statement. >(3) Are there still honeybee losses due to Penncap-M? Yes of course, maybe the latest being reported in Colorado. The main danger from this formulation of parathion (sp) is that the size of the material when it dries is about the same as that of pollen and the bees bring it in with the pollen and it kills them until that pollen is used up. One problem we have in the USA is that there is no Federal reporting requirements for pesticide bee kills. There is a program to record bee losses but because of the fact it is not required to report them, for example only one bee kill was reported from pesticides for California in 1995, the same for Arizona like California a state that most beekeepers would feel very lucky if they had only one pesticide loss for each yard per season. Good Luck, with any use of Penncap-M you will need all you can get. IMHO ttul, the OLd Drone ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:26:27 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard E Leber Subject: Ref: National Honey Board Comments: To: ajwelk@ibm.net Hi Al and the rest of ya'll; >From your thread on the National Honey Board On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:04:22 -0400 Al Welk writes: >Walter Patton wrote: >> Is everyone ready for the national honey board to start collecting >.01 >> cents/lb from the producer as well as the first handler. Thats whats >go= >ing to >> happen. The current proposal is to collect an additional .01 cents/lb from the packers. Now some believe that all assessments come from the pockets of the producers in lower prices paid for their honey, but others say all costs are passed on to the consumer ... your call. > I don't produce enough honey but I work with a >man who yielded about 5600lbs this year. At .01=A2/lb he would putt >out >$56.00US. If he get his asking $3.00/lb he grosses $16,800. He would >invest 0.3%, that's three tenths of one percent of his gross towards >advertising, access to marketing information. That's less than what he >has to pay for his business license. Your friend doesn't produce enough honey either. Exemptions are freely granted to anyone producing less than 6000lbs/yr. So until you are producing ten+ barrels a year or are selling in bulk to a "first handler" you responsibility ends with the request for exemption. >OK I'm naive on this but I was willing to pay the NHB just to get some >of the free to members information that they have. It'a a great >sourse >of educational material for when I go to schools and things. It is clear that I fully support the National Honey Board in their efforts to "increase the demand for honey and honey products". My wife and I manage about fifty hives, package and retail in the local market less than 6000 lbs/yr. I put myself in the category of "hobbyist/producer/packer/retailer" and extensively use the resources of the National Honey Board in my marketing plans. The dollars are just not there in my small operation to support a developmental advertising/educational budget. Next time you call the Honey Board ask for a copy of 26 Ways to Say "Honey, I Love You!" >I agree with you that the more you can keep big brother out the better. "Big Brother" did establish the National Honey Board, but only at the request of the beekeeping industry. The Board consists of 13 members including producers (7), packers (2), and importers (2) as well as a representative of a cooperative honey marketing association and a representative of the general public. All Board members represent the honey industry of the United States and Puerto Rico and serve without compensation for their time. Candidates to fill vacancies on the Board are selected from a list provided by the National Honey Board Nominations Committee. Each state association submits the names of two potential committee members to the Department of Agriculture. The Secretary of Agriculture then appoints one of the candidates to be that state's Nominations Committee representative. Two other items you can request from the Honey Board are "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About The National Honey Nominations Committee" and "National Honey Board - The Official Handbook". Two additional resources that are available in your backyard: Georgia Beekeepers Association, Inc. P.N. Williams, President 528 Bridge Avenue Forest Park, Georgia 30297 Metro Atlanta Beekeepers Association Telephone (770) 424-0076 Meetings the second Tuesday of each month at the North Fulton County Annex at 7741 Roswell Road, Beginning at 7:00 p.m. Best of Beekeeping Rick & Nancy Leber, Beekeeping Since 1987 Mobile, Alabama ricks.toy@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:07:52 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Walter T. Weller" Subject: Re: Robbers On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:46:42 -0400 Frank & Phronsie Humphrey writes: >Robber Screen Assy. > 14" Wide >____________________________________ >|___________________________________ | >| |################################| | >| |################################| | >| |################################| | >| |################################| | >| |################################| | >| | Nail screen leaving 3/4" gap at bottom | | >____________________________________ >| >| >| _____ 1x2" stock | >|__| |____________________________| > ___ > Hive odors exit Here |__ | > \ > | | This side > Nail screen Here===> | | nailed to > | | front of > __| | hive. > | | | >Nail 1 x 2 Here===> |__|__| hive entrance==> > >Let me know if this helps. > >Frank & Phronsie Humphrey >beekeepr@cdc.net Thank you very much! It did the trick, and seems to be working on the hives too. Thanks again. Walter Weller Post Office Box 270 Wakefield, Louisiana 70784 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:13:21 -1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MARK G SPAGNOLO Subject: Re: Need Queen for BEe removal project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Paul Cronshaw, D.C. > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Need Queen for BEe removal project > Date: Sunday, October 19, 1997 7:37 PM > > > > Anyway I have a bee removal project, and need to make a small nuc. Are > there are queens available at this time of the year? SOmeone mentioned > that I can get one from Hawaii. Any "Kona" queens out there? > Hi Paul: We are still catching queens three days a week. If you one give me call at 808-328-9016 or send an E-Mail. Takes about two or three days in the mail to reach CA. Mark at KQ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:09:30 -0700 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: POLLINATION RESULTS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reason for production going up and bees going down is simple. Most of the heavy losses were last year and with hobby beekeepers. In Maine, we had reports of decreased or no honeybees in gardens which seems to indicate a reduction in feral bees, local beekeepers or both. But a record number of hives came into the state for pollination- about 50,000. And they also pollinated more blueberry and cranberry fields. So you can have both a reduction in the number of bees (hobby beekeeper's and feral bees) but crop production records because of increases in numbers of hives used for pollination (about 10% in Maine) and acres of crops pollinated- especially cranberries. It is interesting that pumpkin and squash growers suffered greatly last year in more states than Maine, and they don't always use commercial pollinators. But it might have been the weather. The press just grouped hobby and commercial beekeepers along with feral bees into the same bag. Our commercial beekeepers did not suffer the same kind of losses hobbiests did the 95-96 winter. For the press, two out of three ain't bad. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Andy Nachbar wrote: > > Honeybees and beekeepers acknowledged as responsible for > bumper crops of cranberries, ($1,400,000,000,000.00 or 1.4 > billion $$)in areas reported by others as having lost 90% of > the bee populations? Check it out on the ABC News web page > below. > > What ever your slant on the hype and misinformation still > being passed like the wind on the reported the loss of all > feral bees and much of the hive bee populations the facts > seem to be the effect on agriculture has been limited as the > 1997 crop reports come in for the year and all the bee, > honeybee,(feral and hive) pollinated crops report record > yields with Cranberries taking the dollar lead from the 1996 > and 1997 billion dollar California almond crop. > > http://www.abcnews.com/sections/business/harvest/harvest_cran.html > > ttul, the OLD Drone ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:06:07 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jon C Peacock Subject: Re: Strange BLACK BALLS in Hive H. B. I've been keeping Bz for 18 years now, and to answer your question, Honest to God, I don't know ! ! But I'd package some of it up in a small stout cardboard / tin box [like coff drops come in] and sent it to the Entomology Departmnt, Univ of Florida, in Gainesville, FL. Don't forget to write a short note inside the package WITH your return address. Oh, send a 1$ along to show your sincere and to hasten return information. Jon Peacock, Secretary Georgia Beekeepers Association. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:19:31 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Guy Miller Subject: Re: Strange BLACK BALLS in Hive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:06 PM 10/20/97 EDT, you wrote: >Oh, send a 1$ along to show your sincere... >Jon Peacock, Secretary Georgia Beekeepers Association. You guys in Georgia are lucky. Convincing anyone of your sincerety costs a lot more the further north you go. Guy F. Miller "Start every day with a smile, and get it over with." Charlottesville. VA W.C. Fields ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:17:44 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Robbers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > 14" Wide > >____________________________________ > >|___________________________________ | > >| |################################| | > >| |################################| | > >| |################################| | > >| |################################| | > >| |################################| | > >| | Nail screen leaving 3/4" gap at bottom | | > >____________________________________ > >| > >| > >| _____ 1x2" stock | > >|__| |____________________________| > > ___ > > Hive odors exit Here |__ | > > \ > | | This side > > Nail screen Here===> | | nailed to > > | | front of > > __| | hive. > > | | | > >Nail 1 x 2 Here===> |__|__| hive entrance==> > > with font and with font-size you use my bees will not live in this come-out ;-) ;-) what about a jpg???? I'm on a camper emailsever to, If you see what they drive in their signatures !!!! :-) and what about those bees with wings on 1" away???? -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:36:56 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Keith E Amberson Subject: Flavored honey While in Eastern Washington last weekend I stopped at a huge fruit stand. They had a honey-fruit juice product that was excellent. The raspberry-honey was great but I loved the cranberry-honey, a good blend of the sweetness of honey and the tartness of cranberries. It had the same texture as honey. I sure would like to get a recipe for this product, I think it would be a good product for our farm store. Any ideas to where I could get the recipe. The National Honey Board couldn't help me. Thanks Keith Amberson Amberson Farms Everett Washington ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:02:51 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jxrn Johanesson Subject: APITHERAPY on the INTERNET Dear beekeeper fellows! On behalf of beenet I forward this message to you! APITHERAPY on the INTERNET As some of you may know I have been trying, for some time now, to establish a forum on the Internet for Apitherapy discussion. This has not been as easy task as I had originally assumed. Commercial list servers turned out to be far to expensive and the university and government contacts I have where, understandably, reluctant to give "outsiders" access to their systems. In discussing this problem in BeeNet. Olda, the regional coordinator for Sweden, suggested I contact Ake Esperi, the current Zone coordinator for BeeNet International and host for the Swedish language beekeeping list, and he agreed to maintain the Apitherapy Mailing List (called APITHER) on his List server. This list is officially described as: "An international forum for the discussion of Apitherapy at all levels - Research, Clinical, Practitioner and General interest." The main language of the list is "English" but it is not mandatory. The APITHERAPY Internet Mailing List (APITHER) has also been inter linked with BeeNet International's APITHERAPY conference area. So the current number of readers, as of today the 17 of October, stands at approximately 400+ representing 9 countries. Past experience has shown that, in forums such as this, only about 10% of the readers are writers. Ake has established me as the "owner" of the list. So if you have any questions or need help please don't hesitate to ask. I can be reached at: "owner-apither@beenet.pp.se" or "Durk.Ellison@beenet.pp.sci.fi". For instructions on how to subscribe to the APITHERAPY Mailing List (APITHER) please see below: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Apitherapy Internet Mailing List (Forum) So what is an Internet mailing list? Well it's a list of Internet addresses of people with an interest in discussing a particular topic of interest. In this case Apitherapy. Better known as "A List" in computer slang. It is composed of two parts the "List server" and "the List". A "List server" is a computer and the software program that maintains a mailing list. In order to join a mailing list you must first tell the "List server" that you want to Subscribe to the list by sending it a message like this: To: listserv@beenet.pp.se From: Subject: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- SUBSCRIBE APITHER ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- And that's all. The rest of the message should be blank. If everything has gone OK, you should receive a subscription conformation message within 48 hours. The "List server" ( listserv@beenet.pp.se ) is also the address you send maintenance messages to like: HELP and if you should ever wish to leave the list: UNSUBSCRIBE APITHER Writing messages TO everyone on the "LIST": Just write the message as you normally would and send the message: To: apither@beenet.pp.se From: "your name" Subject: "what ever" ---------------------------------------------------------- So, to sum up: You send a message to the "List server" ( listserv@beenet.pp.se ) if you want to: Subscribe to the list, Get Help or UnSubscribe from the list. If you wish to send a message to all the people on the list. You send the message To: apither@beenet.pp.se --------------------- I bid you all WELCOME Regards from: Durk Ellison Vantaa, Finland BeeNet : 240:346/300.8 e-mail : Durk.Ellison@beenet.pp.sci.fi Packet : oh2zas @ oh2rbt.#hki.fin.eu -- EDBi = Beekeeping software for Windows 3.1 win95 e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk edbi homepage http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo or http://www.wn.com.au/apimo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:14:14 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Bee Works Subject: Re: Laying workers. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT For those who are not familiar with us, we raise queens in baby nucs and this year while working noticed something different. Baby nucs are useful for noting the workings of bee hives in as much as they have a relatively small amount of bees on the frames and we see things that in a regular sized hive would be overlooked. We are careful in our methods and organisation, but in spite of this will occasionaly get 'laying workers' because we have missed a nuc going queenless. We note the color of our bees and find a common colour throughout each baby nuc. When laying workers appear we start to notice bees of a slightly different colour, which because of their difference really stand out. Our normal bees have the usual segmentation of colour, but these new bees look for all the world as if their segmentation has slipped. The bottom two segments are shiny black. It would seem that as the laying worker problem becomes more intense then more and more of these different coloured bees appear. Could it be that these are the ones that have newly developed ovaries? It might be possible as our regular queens have a darker back end. Constructive comments anyone? ******************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Dr, Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, L3V 6H1 Phone/fax 705-326-7171 David Eyre, Owner. http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks e-mail ******************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:34:39 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Brenda Wishin Subject: Re: Injecting Bee Venom Artificially MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Bee venom: How would you get a prescription? How much would it cost? Bees are free now, my price range, and I just pray I can get them all winter out of the hives! Didn't Charles Mraz write nothing beats venom straight from the source? ---------- > From: W. G. Miller > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: Injecting Bee Venom Artificially > Date: Saturday, October 18, 1997 9:32 PM > > A freeze-dried form of bee venom is available in the US as a perscription > drug. The venom is re-ydrated such that 1 ml = the equivalent dose of 1 bee > sting, and this is injected into the patient. > > This was what was given to me when I underwent bee sting allergy > desensitization. It hurts less than a bee sting. > > W. G. Miller > Gaithersburg, MD ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:49:50 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "David J. Frede" Subject: Oils and Varroa Mites Hi! I would like to know if anyone has had any luck using garlic, mint, or tea-tree oils in the fight against the Varroa mites. If so, please let me know. Thanks and God Bless You Robert Butcher ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:27:45 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Mineral Oil Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have a source or brand name for FGMO? Where so I look to buy this substance on the WEST COAST.? Thanks. Paul Cronshaw, D.C. Cyberchiro and Hobbyist Beekeeper Santa Barbara, CA USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:12:37 -0400 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: Oils and Varroa Mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Robert: I have been using Food Grade Mineral Oil successfully for the last 15 months for the treatment of bee mites. I have not attempted the use of any other oil(s) for the reasons which I have listed in my files posted to Bee-L and on the web page of Barry Birkey. {Besides the fact that I have found that FGMO is effective against both bee mites), I have not tried other oil(s) because I understand that to do so would require authorization which I am not aware that anyone hs received up to this time and date. I would be interested in knowing the results those that have performed tests with other than mineral oil. Sincerely. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:42:56 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Basehore Subject: Re: Mineral Oil In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:27 PM 10/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have a source or brand name for FGMO? > >Where so I look to buy this substance on the WEST COAST.? > > >Thanks. > > >Paul Cronshaw, D.C. >Cyberchiro and Hobbyist Beekeeper >Santa Barbara, CA USA > The grocery store on the medicine isle. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:27:12 +1200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Lewis Subject: Capturing feral hives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCDE81.3DAFA540" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCDE81.3DAFA540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A neighbor has a feral hive within the wall of his house. He wants it removed and I would like to capture it with its queen. My only other attempt at capturing a feral hive was a complete disaster. It would be appreciated if someone could share some techniques, hints and anecdotes on how to capture feral hives in trees, walls, etc. John Lewis lewis@suva.is.com.fj ------=_NextPart_000_01BCDE81.3DAFA540 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


A neighbor has a feral hive within = the wall of his house. He wants it removed and I would like to capture = it with its queen. My only other attempt at capturing a feral hive was a = complete disaster.

It would be appreciated if someone could = share some techniques, hints and anecdotes on how to capture feral hives = in trees, walls, etc.

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------=_NextPart_000_01BCDE81.3DAFA540-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:58:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: What is SUE BEE? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *FYI* Posted from the sci.arg.beekeeping news group.... ---------------------------------------- What is Sue Bee? Sue Bee is the only honey label found in stores nation wide and belongs to the SIOUX HONEY ASSOCIATION, a agricultural cooperative under Iowa and US Law. To be a member of Sue you must be a honey producer and membership is open to all US beekeepers including native Americans but I am not sure there are many in the SIOUX Honey Association today and I am sure the day is close when there will have to be some name changes but that is just one of the management decisions to be made by the beekeepers who make up the board of directors and run the co-op. The board is elected by the 367 honey producer members from the 13 districts covering the US from coast to coast. Sue also has one member from Canada, and one in Mexico. Membership is open to US producers and requires some effort and time to become a member who must demonstrate the production of the types of quality honey packed by Sue. Interested producers should not wait to be asked to join. In 1996, the last year records are available for the co-op had 191 members who produced less then 40,000 pounds, and 33 who produced more th= en 250,000 which demonstrates that Sue is not just for the large commercial honey producer but is divided fairly equally between the two groups with the largest producers delivering about 43% of the honey packed and the smaller delivering 7%, all have the same standing in a coop and one man's vote carries no more weight then the others. Sue bee's main product is table honey or honey packed for retail. This requires much mild flavored and light colored honey such as clover which is packed in mostly liquid in clear glass and plastic containers which are the products in demand by the consumers in the US. In 1996 the main area for this type of honey was Minnesota, 6.5 million pounds delivered, followed by North Dakota with 5 million pounds, and South Dakota with 4.6 million pounds. For those who like to make a big deal about the Mexico and Canadian members production in 1996 78,997 pounds came from the Mexican member and 41,464 from the Canadian member. The total amount of honey produced by all of the members of Sue in 1996 was 31,929,241 pounds, and the total bottled was 26,805,784 pounds, sold in bulk to the Bakery trade was 12,731,416 pounds, and Clover honey sold bulk was 3,143,055 pounds. Yep, Sue bee does buy honey outside of its co-op membership, and they buy it from both domestic and on the world market and buy it cheep to increase the returns for the producing members who own the co-op. 1995 and 1996 were short crop years for much of Sue's honey producers so in 1996 14,245,688 pounds of honey purchases were made from non-members to add to the 31,929,241 pounds delivered by members and 8,056,420 pounds of honey carried over from the 1995 crop. This all made 1996 a good year from Sue Bee, with $57,654,561 in sales from 42,680,255 pounds sold and returned a record $.8930 cent per pound for the honey delivered by the producing members. Sue Bee is not the largest honey packer in the United States, but it is the only one owned and managed by 367 honey producing beekeepers and the only one that has a national label and spends as much on honey promotion as the rest of the honey packing industry put together and also in addition pays its part of the National Honey Promotion tax and I must add without the enforcement costs necessary to collect from some of the other packers who if you are interested are now wanting to double the assessment on honey no doubt to promote more imported honey and thicker carpets in the NHB offices. About the future and the 1997 crop of honey. Sue Bee is like any other business and must remain competitive. The crop may be short, but the price of imported honey has declined and domestic producers are not helping by making distress sales at fire sale prices. Sue Bee expects that because of this the earning on the 1997 crop will be about five cents less then the 1996 crop and has resisted lowering their prices on quality glass type honey, but has lost much bulk honey business and can not predict how long they will be able to hold the price without an adjustment to confirm with the market. ttul, the OLd Drone PS. Help the OLd Drone get a new noise by buying his latest Beekeepers Gift, a Pop-Out POOH Bear book and two bee fan chain pulls for $23.00 pp US. (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- =FE QMPro 1.53 =FE http://suebee.com (Looking Beeter EveryDay) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:07:04 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Marlin (SCOTT) Kline" Subject: Very Agressive!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello This the first time I have asked for someone's opinion with there experience with bees,not implying that it is not needed only that I normally just read from the list and learn.This is my first year and have one hive.I have two more setup for next year,anyway my question is,I went to remove the honey super and install apistan strips in the first and second deep supers,in removing the honey super I noticed they were very upset,I was using a smoker which only upset them more.A friend that was 50 ft away had been stung 4 times in this short period,he was was smart enough to get in the truck and stay there after removing the honey super the bees were attacking the truck in the since of bouncing off the windshield and door glass not to mention myself.Well once I split the deep supers they in my opinion attacked me,they had swarmed onto my body from my groin up to my neck it was almost impossible to see out of my veil,I installed the strips and placed the supers together and installed the cover in the process I received some where in the area of 35-40 stings-5-6 through my gloves and the rest in the back of my legs and my groin and at those points they seemed attack one general area and a few on my calves,I then walked away to try and remove my gear,no luck they followed and were still attacking"I am trying to make this short as possible" ended up riding in the back of the truck at 55 mph for ? 2 miles came back and they attacked me again"the hive is about 275 ft away" unable to remove my gear we left with me in the back of the truck to go home,stopped 3 1/2 miles away removed my gear and was stung a few more times :) this was on 10-19-97, I am trying locate the invoice to find out what I bought as far as the bees go.Did I do some thing wrong ? and any idea what type of bees I own.?"I also counted somewhere in the area 150 + stingers in my gloves and pants." But the honey is good.! Lake County Illinois ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:47:33 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Re: Penncap-M bee losses In a message dated 97-10-20 11:35:03 EDT, vredma@PLANT3.AGRIC.ZA (MIKE ALLSOPP) writes: << Fruit producers (apples & pears) in South Africa have, for the first time this year, sprayed Penncap-M (microencapsulated methyl parathion) on their crops. Which has resulted in quite a bit of bee mortality, and quite a furore. Looking through the literature I have found that much the same occurred in the USA (and Australia?) in the early 1980's, but there is not much reported since the mid-1980's.>> The losses continue. Several beekeepers had some severe losses earlier this season in SC from peach orchard applications where there was clover in bloom in the orchard floor. This, of course is a violation of the label directions. Beekeepers who don't know the law, and are not assertive will get no help. So many have gotten cynical and don't do anything. Beekeepers who insist on enforcement CAN get help, albeit very reluctantly. It is an uphill fight. <> Yes, it is used a lot in the fruit industry. Sometimes it is used at petal fall, where it can do massive damage to bees, if the grower "jumps the gun" and there is still bloom. I know one beekeeper who was put out of business from losing about 400 hives this way, seven or eight years ago. Then it may be used again in the last week of June or the first week of July for a broad-spectrum control of several pests. Here the bloom that draws bees is clover, or other weeds that are blooming under the trees. In both cases, such use is a violation of the label. It is also used a lot with alfalfa hay. The hay is supposed to be cut, then the material used, with no bloom present. This is not always followed. If there is bloom, the damage can be massive -- again from a violation. It's used on sweet corn, which can draw bees to the tassels for pollen. The damage worsens on late corn when aerial applications contaminate goldenrod around the fields. Both types of kills result from violations of the label directions. << (2) What are the spray conditions (pertaining to bees) for its use?>> Like every pesticide that is toxic to bees, the labels give specific directions for the protection of the FORAGING bees. Applicators often ignore this. They are only concerned if they see beehives. If they are on an adjacent property, they often don't care. It is very difficult to get enforcement. Beekeepers don't have much clout. But the shortage of bees is helping some. We are getting action in some cases. Wherever we have gotten a citation or two, the other applicators take more care -- for a while....And apple growers are doing a bit better on orchard floor management - getting rid of bloom that draws bees - because they have to rent bees for pollination; the supply is down and the price is up, so they are more prone to listen. But.....when a pest that the grower can see is munching away on leaves or fruit, and the grower sees dollars going down the drain, the tendency is to forget about the bees -- until they need them again. <<(3) Are there still honeybee losses due to Penncap-M?>> Yes and they are bad ones when they come. Bees that show any visible damage during the growing season, will show more damage again during winter - often the whole hive will die. Contaminated pollen is stored in the cells, and covered with fresh pollen, so the hive appears to recover. Later, when there is no fresh pollen to dilute the contamination, they are more vulnerable, and they die out. You can take nice spring nucs, with a young queen going like gangbusters, put a frame of that pollen from a Penncap deadout right beside the brood, and immediately you'd think the queen was failing. The brood becomes very spotty, because some of it dies and is carried out. Beekeepers who are hit by Penncap M (trademark) need to somehow remove as much of that contaminated pollen as possible. Even hives that survive will be weak and unproductive the following spring. Often the pollen is concentrated mostly on a couple frames. These should be removed as soon after the damage as possible. But beekeepers need to be alert to prevent damage, rather than try to salvage the bees afterwards. There needs to be a strong educational effort to make applicators realize they have to wait until FULL PETAL FALL, and to practice good orchard floor management during clover and other weed bloom. Nothing but grass sod should be allowed to grow/bloom in the orchard floor. Otherwise they are set up for violations and consequent bee kills. A lot of beekeepers would like to see Penncap M banned. I doubt that is a possible option, It is too valuable a tool for growers. But, I've seen hundreds of bee kills from Penncap M, Sevin, Furadan, Lindane, and many other materials, and never seen one that didn't result from a violation of the label directions. A camcorder is a good tool to show violations as they occur, then a couple citations will stop the problem for a while. Needed: 1. Beekeepers who are not wimps, who know the law. 2. Pesticide enforcers of integrity who will enforce the law. 3. Agricultural officials who will teach applicators how to monitor for foraging bees on the application sites PRIOR to application. - and tell them they will lose their certification, pay fines, and be liable for damage if they don't. Then bee kills will drop to negligible. I am presuming your pesticide laws are similar. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:12:28 +1200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andrew Matheson Subject: Extractor speeds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain In a recent post about the g-forces I was out by a factor of ten. The formula should be: ...The force at the drum (or RCF: relative centrifugal force) is proportional to the radius of the drum (or baskets) and the rotational speed squared. The formula is RCF equals the radius in millimetres times the square of the rotational speed in revolutions per minute, both divided by 900,000 (not 90,000). But my example was correct: For example, a spinner (or extractor basket) of radius 600 mm rotating at 200 rpm will exert of force of 27 g or 27 time the force of gravity (26.67 actually). Thanks to Peter Drury of Australia for pointing that out. Apologies to everyone whose combs were turned to pulp. Andrew ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:58:02 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Justin Spaulding III Subject: Re: Bumblebees In-Reply-To: <199710200145_MC2-2478-5A4E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I do have a book to reccommend on the subject. "Bumblebee Economics" by Heinrich Bernd It has quite a bit of information on breeding bumbles. I'll look over that section of the book tonight and see if I can summerize. I've also purchased Bumbles for pollination from "The green Spot Ltd." GrnSpt@internetMCI.com For those interested in IPM you would probably enjoy thier catalog. John Spaulding juggler@nesc.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:57:19 -0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Cindy Ranker Subject: Re: BEE-L Digest - 18 Oct 1997 to 19 Oct 1997 unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: Automatic digest processor To: Recipients of BEE-L digests Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 3:59 AM Subject: BEE-L Digest - 18 Oct 1997 to 19 Oct 1997 >There are 8 messages totalling 389 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > > 1. Pollen data converted to Mac > 2. Bees in nature reserves > 3. Robbers > 4. POLLINATION RESULTS (2) > 5. Young Queen available in Seattle area. > 6. JEAN ELSEN s.a.JEAN ELSEN s.a. - NumismatistsAvenue de Tervueren 65B- > 7. Adulterated Honey > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:45:02 +-200 >From: Jorn Johanesson >Subject: Pollen data converted to Mac > >Hello all Mac users. > >On request I have converted the pollen data file to a DBF file so that other than win95 or win3.1+ might be able to have use of it! > >Please if you find this Job I have done is of value for You send me a 20 dollar bill :-) > >get the file from the following urls > >http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo >http://www.wn.com/apimo > >Best regards > >Jorn Johanesson >Solsortevej 27, Assens >DK 9550 Mariager > >e-mail apimo@post4.tele.dk > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:25:17 +0900 >From: j h & e mcadam >Subject: Re: Bees in nature reserves > >Garth wrote: >> >>I have just been wondering what the stance is in areas where bees are >>an introduced species towards their presence in Nature reserves? > >The situation in Australia is that conservation movements disapprove of >access by bees to National Park sites on the grounds that the bee is an >introduced species. This is so even when it has been established that bees >improve the pollination of native species, in particular eucalypts, by >increasing weight and number of fertile seeds. > >The position by National Parks staff is blind opposition. Until recently >there has been little research on the effect of bees (and no interest in >having this done). However recent projects by Dr. David Paton have found >(if I understand them correctly) that: > >1. Commercial bee hives do not increase the population of feral bee hives. > >2. Bees prefer hive sites with very small access holes, which are unlikely >to be chosen by nesting birds. > >On Kangaroo Island the K.I. Beekeepers Association is working with the >Glossy Black Rescue Team which is dedicated to restoring the Red Tailed >Glossy Black Cockatoo to a sustainable level. Early publicity accused bees >of occupying nesting sites set up for cockatoos at the rate of 10% a year. >The Association has been working with trap hives in nesting areas and >reporting on success rates as well as actively trapping swarms in daily >beekeeping activities. > >The Rescue Team has now discovered that the main predator of Glossy Black >eggs is the possum and preventing possum predation has lifted the number of >birds fledged to above the minimum recovery level. > >Working with the Glossy Black Rescue Team has enabled a cross-flow of >information such as the likely swarming times and reasons for swarming (many >eucalypts are pollen deficient and hive populations drop during flowering). > >Nesting hives have also been provided with input from the Association. The >nest roofs are of polypropylene which we have never known bees to select for >hives. > >However the barrier to multi-purpose use of forest areas is the ideology of >National Park staff. New South Wales beekeepers have argued that the bee >has become naturalized and fills a vacant niche. The comment of one >National Park spokeswoman when asked "If the natural pollinator is extinct >and the plant relies now on bees, what will you do?" replied that she would >prefer the plant died out rather than permit bees access. > >The political process is agonizingly slow in educating the political masters >and likely to be interrupted by elections, thus taking you back to first base. >Beekeepers are actively involved in land care movements and conservation but >their reward is to have the areas defined as "heritage" and bees excluded. > >The key to obtaining the access to national resources which is vital for the >health of the apiary industry and therefore the entire primary industry >area, is properly conducted research to demonstrate that the arguments >against bees are invalid and to properly record the value of forests in >honey production. This takes money and lots of time and can only be >conducted by State or Federal Associations with access to relevant >government ministers to ensure the message is not being derailed by >bureaucratic stone-walling. > >Betty McAdam > > >HOG BAY APIARY >Penneshaw, Kangaroo Island >j.h. & e. mcadamhttp://kigateway.eastend.com.au/hogbay/hogbay1.htm > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 11:46:42 -0400 >From: Frank & Phronsie Humphrey >Subject: Re: Robbers > >-----Original Message----- >From: Walter T. Weller >To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU >Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 04:44 PM >Subject: Re: Robbers > > >>Howdy - >> >>On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:19:27 -0400 Frank & Phronsie Humphrey >> wrote about a Robber Screen. >> >>I was much interested in the description, because with this long dry >>spell we're having a lot of robbing. >> >>>These can be made with 3/4" x 3/4" stock. 1 piece it the width of the >>hive >>>opening and 2 pieces about 3" to 4" long. Nail these together to form 3 >>>sides of a box whose length is the width of the opening. Over this >>staple >>>1/8" hardware cloth or window screening, leaving about a 3/4" gap at >>the >>>open side. >> >> >>> Next nail a piece of 1" x 2" on the screen side to finish the box. >> >>Thanks. >> >>Walter Weller >>Post Office Box 270 >>Wakefield, Louisiana 70784 >> >> >Robber Screen Assy. > 14" Wide >____________________________________ >|___________________________________ | >| |################################| | >| |################################| | >| |################################| | >| |################################| | >| |################################| | >| | Nail screen leaving 3/4" gap at bottom | | >____________________________________ >| >| >| _____ 1x2" stock | >|__| |____________________________| > ___ > Hive odors exit Here |__ | > \ > | | This side > Nail screen Here===> | | nailed to > | | front of > __| | hive. > | | | >Nail 1 x 2 Here===> |__|__| hive entrance==> > >Let me know if this helps. > >Frank & Phronsie Humphrey >beekeepr@cdc.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:28:43 -0700 >From: Andy Nachbar >Subject: POLLINATION RESULTS > > > > > >Honeybees and beekeepers acknowledged as responsible for bumper >crops of cranberries, ($1,400,000,000,000.00 or 1.4 billion $$)in areas >reported by others as having lost 90% of the bee populations? Check it >out on the ABC News web page below. > > >What ever your slant on the hype and misinformation still being passed >like the wind on the reported the loss of all feral bees and much of the >hive bee populations the facts seem to be the effect on agriculture has >been limited as the 1997 crop reports come in for the year and all the >bee, honeybee,(feral and hive) pollinated crops report record yields with >Cranberries taking the dollar lead from the 1996 and 1997 billion dollar >California almond crop. > > > http://www.abcnews.com/sections/business/harvest/harvest_cran.html > > > > ttul, the OLD Drone > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:36:00 -0400 >From: Walt Barricklow >Subject: Re: POLLINATION RESULTS > >I like the number of zeros that you use much better than what I make. > >---------- >> From: Andy Nachbar >> To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU >> Subject: POLLINATION RESULTS >> Date: Sunday, October 19, 1997 12:28 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> Honeybees and beekeepers acknowledged as responsible for bumper >> crops of cranberries, ($1,400,000,000,000.00 or 1.4 billion $$)in areas >> reported by others as having lost 90% of the bee populations? Check it >> out on the ABC News web page below. >> >> >> What ever your slant on the hype and misinformation still being passed >> like the wind on the reported the loss of all feral bees and much of the >> hive bee populations the facts seem to be the effect on agriculture has >> been limited as the 1997 crop reports come in for the year and all the >> bee, honeybee,(feral and hive) pollinated crops report record yields with >> Cranberries taking the dollar lead from the 1996 and 1997 billion dollar >> California almond crop. >> >> >> http://www.abcnews.com/sections/business/harvest/harvest_cran.html >> >> >> >> ttul, the OLD Drone > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:49:07 -0700 >From: David Rosenbaum >Subject: Young Queen available in Seattle area. > >I ordered a "Young Starline Queen (clipped and marked)" from York Bee Co. >in Georgia last Monday, Oct. 13. She was to be shipped priority mail to >Bothell, WA. (near Seattle), but didn't arrive by Saturday Oct. 18. I no >longer need her, and will give her to a 'good home' if anyone in the >area is interested. > >Please respond by e-mail or phone me at work: (206) 526-2134 or home: >(425) 487-2437. > >Best wishes, >David Rosenbaum > >(I'm a novice beekeeper with 3 hives and last weekend I found that one of >them was queenless. I ordered the new queen, but she didn't arrive. On >further inspection of the queenless hive, I found evidence of laying >workers (bullet-capped cells). I've read that trying to introduce a queen >into a hive with laying workers is nearly impossible, and the weather here >is getting colder, with greyer days, so I divided the queenless hive and >added one hivebody to each of the other two (strong) hives, using the >newspaper technique. Hopefully this will work. In any case, I don't need >the queen I bought.) > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:24:00 GMT >From: Andy Nachbaur >Subject: JEAN ELSEN s.a.JEAN ELSEN s.a. - NumismatistsAvenue de Tervueren 65B- > >040 Brussels BelgiumTel: 0032.2.734.63.56 Fax: 0032.2.735.77.78E-mail: n= >umisma >ique@elsen.beWebsite: http://www.elsen.beCollection : The bee and the hiv= >ein nu >ismatics > >*FYI* check it out... > ---------------------------------------- >From: "Jean ELSEN s.a." >Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:31:57 +0100 >Subject: JEAN ELSEN s.a. > > JEAN ELSEN s.a. - Numismatists > Avenue de Tervueren 65 > B-1040 Brussels > Belgium > Tel: 0032.2.734.63.56 > Fax: 0032.2.735.77.78 > E-mail: numismatique@elsen.be > Website: http://www.elsen.be > > Collection : The bee and the hive > in numismatics > >Dear Sir, > >We have the pleasure to announce you that we will present Jean Nivaille'= >s >collection in our 52th auction planned on 13th December 1997. > >Jean Nivaille's collection was elaborated during several decades and is >composed by most than thousand coins and medals, from the antiquity till >today. This collection is the most important one in the world focused on >the bee and the hive in numismatics. > >An important number of lots that constitute this collection come from the >famous Spiegel's collection, sold in K=F6ln in Germany in 1980. > >The collection contains numerous rarities, especially in the Ancient Gree= >k >coins. The bee was the symbol of the Greek city of Ephesius. During the >Modern Times, coins and medals were strucked in the name of pope Urbanus >VIII (1623-1644) with the bees of his coat of arms. > >Symbols of prosperity, work and industry, the bee and the hive figure on = > a >lot of medals strucked from the Renaisance: peace medals, wedding medals.= >.. >The bees were also selected as the emblem of the secretaries of the king = >in >France. > >Of course, the collection contains also impressive worldwide series of >medals of societies of beekeepers. > >The catalogue will be presented on-line with pictures on our website at >http://www.elsen.be > >We would be pleased to send a free hard copy of the catalogue to any >interested person. May we ask you to contact us if you are interested in = >at >the following address: numismatique@elsen.be > >Yours sincerely > >Jean Elsen s.a. > >Business Hours : Monday to Saturday, 9 AM-6 PM Brussels time >We accept Visa, MasterCard, EuroCard > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:24:47 -0700 >From: Vince Coppola >Subject: Re: Adulterated Honey > >Peter Keating wrote: >> >> Hi Vince, >> a few years back Chinese honey was refused entry here into Canada because >> of both adulturation and contamination (with an acaricide). I have the >> reports that were presented to the Canadian Honey Council by Agriculture >> Canada and if you want, l could look for them and send you a copy. >> Yous, Peter > >Hi Peter, >This is the sort of thing I'm looking for. If it's not too much bother I >would like a copy of that report and will gladly pay postage. I heard >that Chinese honey is required to be warehoused, at importers expense, >untill it is tested by the Canadian goverment. Is that still true? Do >you know if adulturation or contamintion is found anymore? > Thank You, > Vince > >------------------------------ > >End of BEE-L Digest - 18 Oct 1997 to 19 Oct 1997 >************************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:42:20 -0400 Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kathy Hough Subject: Re: Flavored honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3E0109361721270699047380" --------------3E0109361721270699047380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith, The recipes for these kinds of things are (at least for me) impossible to get, I've tried. It seems that everyone who makes such a product, either the consistancy of liquid honey or of creamed (spun, etc.), wants to be exclusive in the marketplace. Having played with making it, I can tell you that the primary secret seems to be in not adding any moisture to the honey so that (especially once the honey has been opened for consumption) it doesn't ferment. Haven't quite figured out how to get intense flavor into honey (using real food) without fermentation occuring sooner or later. If you play with it and have any success, let me know, would you? Kathy Keith E Amberson wrote: > While in Eastern Washington last weekend I stopped at a huge fruit > stand. > They had a honey-fruit juice product that was excellent. The > raspberry-honey was great but I loved the cranberry-honey, a good > blend of > the sweetness of honey and the tartness of cranberries. It had the > same > texture as honey. > > I sure would like to get a recipe for this product, I think it would > be a > good product for our farm store. Any ideas to where I could get the > recipe. > The National Honey Board couldn't help me. > > Thanks > > Keith Amberson > Amberson Farms > Everett Washington --------------3E0109361721270699047380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith,
The recipes for these kinds of things are (at least for me)  impossible to get, I've tried.  It seems that everyone who makes such a product, either the consistancy of liquid honey or of creamed (spun, etc.),  wants to be exclusive in the marketplace.

Having played with making it,  I can tell you that the primary secret seems to be in not adding any moisture to the honey so that (especially once the honey has been opened for consumption) it doesn't ferment.  Haven't quite figured out how to get intense flavor into honey (using real food) without fermentation occuring sooner or later.

If you play with it and have any success, let me know, would you?

Kathy

Keith E Amberson wrote:

While in Eastern Washington last weekend I stopped at a huge fruit stand.
 They had a honey-fruit juice product that was excellent.  The
raspberry-honey was great but I loved the cranberry-honey,  a good blend of
the sweetness of honey and the tartness of cranberries.  It had the same
texture as honey.

I sure would like to get a recipe for this product, I think it would be a
good product for our farm store.  Any ideas to where I could get the recipe.
 The National Honey Board couldn't help me.

Thanks

Keith Amberson
Amberson Farms
Everett Washington

   --------------3E0109361721270699047380-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:46:47 -0500 Reply-To: bkeep200@concentric.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "J.Troyer" Subject: Re: Flavored honey Comments: To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been reading the postings about honey recipes and am wondering if any of you have a recipe for honey mustard? Perhaps with various flavorings, such as raspberry honey mustard, etc.? I've been wanting to make some for holiday gifts. Joan -- Mail to:bkeep200@concentric.net http://www.concentric.net/~bkeep200 Honey Hill Farm - Handcrafted Honey & Beeswax Soaps