========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 08:16:39 +0100 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Varroa mite MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit M.Berzonis wrote: > > Can someone help me with a reference to article or book describing > where Varroa mite lays eggs and a period of egg development? > > Almars Berzonis Where? - Varroa mite lays eggs into drone cells and worker cells. Drone cells are prefered and are attacked about 10 times more often. period of egg development? The Varroa mite develops within 7 days. In a drone cell will develop up to 4 or 5 mites capable for reproduction, in a worker cell fewer (2-3 mites) because of the shorter time of capping. Unfortunately I don't know American or English references about this theme (just German one). Nevertheless I hope I could help you! J. 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AAAtAQYABQAAAAECwMDAAAUAAAAJAgAAAAAHAAAAFgTNALoBEgAbABAAAAD7AvP/AAAAAAAA kAEAAAAAAAAAAEFyaWFsAJtRBAAAAC0BCQAFAAAAAQL///8ABAAAAA== --Message-Boundary-21427-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 08:59:21 -0600 Reply-To: BEE-L@cnsibm.albany.edu Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Excerpts from BEE-L Organization: BestOfBee@systronix.net Subject: Re: send forage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT --- NB:1.Send replies to the author or BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU - not this list 2.To unsubscribe, email HoneyBee@systronix.net saying "leave BestOfBee" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:03:54 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Re: Source for Clear Bears Phil Wood asks: > >I'm wanting to experiment this year with clear plastic bears (not the >opaque ones). An Alta Vista search didn't yield me anything- does >anyone >have a source on them? many thanks! Betterbee has clear plastic bears. They are in eastern NY, 800-632-3379 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:04:20 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gerry Visel Subject: Re: bees in trees This last summer, I caught a swarm almost like that. I started with a plastic bucket with a little honey in it on a rope, and got a few which I poured into a hive body. My daughter suggested tying the hive body itself on the rope and pulling it up under the swarm. It worked slick! In five minutes they all walked down the rope a few inches into the hive body! Voila! New colony, just like that! I used some old combs that had no brood in them, but would use a brood frame in there next time. Neat idea! Gerry Visel >From: Sue Slingsby > >Many years ago someone suggested throwing a long rope over branch in tree and >fussed until both sides hung to ground --- attach a frame of brood and pulling >one end -- raise it to swarm --- most bees and Q will get on and then it can >be re-lowered to ground and placed in hive and rest of swarm will follow --- >sure enough it worked for me on several occasions when the bees were out of >reach of ladder or sanity - smile - hope this will help someone with a swarm >just out of reach....... > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:06:39 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: Bees in trees Hi All I regularily have the problem of getting bees out of places where they have settled once I have smoked them out of their cavity. When in full egg laying condition, as most are at this time of year, the queen flies a bit like a barge with wings. Hence she often settles in really awkward places where it is difficult to get them of. I have developed the following strategies which seem to work: If the swarm is settled on a branch that is: Close to the ground - put a box below and shake the branch till the bee fall into the box. High up - cut the branch of - or - place a photocopier paper box on the end of a pole put it below the bees. Bang the branch with a small bit of the pole the protrudes beyond the box, or tie a sinker to a piece of rope and then let it loop over the branch and come back back down. This works okay. Once about a third, especially the body of the swarm has fallen in the box, move it down to ground level and then continue shaking the branch once the bees in the box begin scenting. Smoking the remainder of the branch with an acrid smoke helps. (lawn clippings that are green) If they settle on an immovable expensive object like a satelite television dish's reciever the problem becomes a bit worse (especially during an important sporting event) Here I have found that the easiest thing to do is to gently brush as many bees of the object as possible and then encourage the swarm to move with smoke. The displacing of the swarm of a branch an relocating it into a box does not work well it appears after the sun passes about a 45 degree angle to the ground. I have found in such situations the bees are more likely to just go and hide somewhere really irritating like under a roof tile etc and then leave the next day. A while back I was talking to an old beekeeper who has kept bees since just after WWII when he got given a farm for good service who mentioned that when he was building up his hive count he used to use a syringe of formic acid solution that he sprayed onto the spot where the bees had settled once shaking them of it. He claims that this speeds up the bees homing in on the new swarm location as they are no longer confused by the scent of the swarm still on the branch. Has anyone else tried this? Also other chemicals for flushing bees out of cavities ?? Keep well Garth --- Garth Cambray Kamdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 3rd year Biochemistry/Microbiology Rhodes University In general, generalisations are bad. Interests: Flii's and Bees. Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post in no way reflect those of Rhodes University. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:18:02 -0500 Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Al Welk Subject: Re: bees in trees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sue Slingsby wrote: > > many years ago someone suggested throwing a long rope over branch in tree > and fussed until both sides hung to ground --- attach a frame of brood and > pulling one end -- raise it to swarm --- most bees and q will get on and > then it can be re-lowered to ground and placed in hive and rest of swarm > will follow --- sure enough it worked for me on several occasions when the > bees were out of reach of ladder or sanity - smile - hope this will help > someone with a swarm just out of reach....... I've gone one step farther. we've run the whole hive up, but you need a larger rope after you get the first line over the branch. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:34:29 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Subject: Bees and MS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Global Tv Network from Toronto, Ontario will have a segment on this topic on the 11 pm news Sunday November 09, 1997. FYI ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:19:05 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ron Taylor Subject: One day Introduction Beekeeping Course It you are palnning on traveling this weekend and want a place to visit. Drop be "Bee City" and that our course. For some it could be a refresher and for a new beekeeper it can be the start of a great hobby. We have several people who knew nothing about and this course they have got from 6 to 10 hives. With the loss of the wild honey bees to Varro, there is a great need for new beekeepers. The Lowcountry and Colleton County Beekeepers will be conducting a one day Introduction to Beekeeping Course as part of a Limestone College Enrichment Course. This course will be scheduled on Saturday, November 15 from 9:00 to 5:00 P M at "Bee City" in Cottageville, South Carolina. From the I-95 Canady exit Bee City is located off highway 61 near the Givans Sate Park. Signs will be provided. This workshop will include an Introduction to Beekeeping and Bee Biology, Equipment Needed, Installing Package Bees and Collecting Swarms, Detection and Control of Diseases and Extracting and Processing Honey. The exam for the "Certified Beekeeper" level of the South Carolina State Beekeepers Master Beekeeper program will be available. A field day will held in the Spring of 98 to complete the practical portion of the "Certified Beekeepers" level for the hands on experience of opening hives, locating queens and observing bee behavior. The cost for this course is $25.00 per person and $30.00 per family. The fee for taking the "Certified Beekeepers" exam is $5.00. Participants are asked to bring a brown bag lunch. Drinks will be provided. This course will be taught by Archie Biering, a Certified Beekeeper, President of the Lowcountry Beekeepers and Ron Taylor, a Certified Beekeeper and President of the Colleton and South Carolina Beekeepers. To register for this course call Archie Biering at 803-835-5912 or Ron Taylor at 803-835-2482 or email: LCBLOCKLOWCOUNTRY@JUNO.COM ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:07:07 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Walton Subject: Re: planting borage In-Reply-To: <199711042250.SAA25312@bud.peinet.pe.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 In article <199711042250.SAA25312@bud.peinet.pe.ca>, Eunice Wonnacott writes >You might want to investigate a plant known as Phacelia. >Good nectar producer, long season of flowering, much liked by bees. You >may need to import seeds from Germany. I can't give actual address -- I'm >sorry. I have often seen bumble bees on phacelia tenacetifolia but have never noticed honeybees working it. I may be wrong but I had assumed that the honeybees tongue must have been too short to reach the nectary. -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Snail : Toddington, Bedfordshire. LU5 6QF England Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1525 875570 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:48:34 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Varroa>>>Drone methode MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the drone method I have tried to make a nice work schedule/diagram/picture file on http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/DmethodPict.html may one have some benefit of it. greeting, jan -- Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:21:17 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Walter T. Weller" Subject: Re: planting borage Don't the various Phacelias have very brief flowering seasons? On Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:07:07 +0000 Paul Walton writes: >In article <199711042250.SAA25312@bud.peinet.pe.ca>, Eunice Wonnacott > writes >>You might want to investigate a plant known as Phacelia. >>Good nectar producer, long season of flowering, much liked by bees. >You >>may need to import seeds from Germany. I can't give actual address >-- I'm >>sorry. > > >I have often seen bumble bees on phacelia tenacetifolia but have never >noticed honeybees working it. I may be wrong but I had assumed that >the >honeybees tongue must have been too short to reach the nectary. >-- >Paul Walton >Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk >Snail : Toddington, Bedfordshire. LU5 6QF England >Tel/Fax : +44 (0)1525 875570 > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:45:59 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Pennock Subject: Re: Swarms carry Mites This maybe a the wrong thing to do. Picking up swarms. I have been keeping bees for 14 years and this is one practice I have STOPED. Let the mites move on there own. I will not interduce tham in my hives>>> Paul -----Original Message----- From: Paul Cronshaw, D.C. To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 09:29 Subject: Swarms carry Mites >Adrian Wenner wrote: > ><< I live in Santa Barbara also and caught a swarm in one of my backyard >swarm hives. I anesthetized the bees and counted them, as well as the >varroa mites. The bees numbered only 2000 (quite a small swarm), with 56 >mites among them.>> > >This would demonstrate that swarms can carry mites which will then >re-establish them in the new hive. > >It makes sense therefore to put an apistan strip into a newly established hive. > > > > >Paul Cronshaw, D.C. >Cyberchiro and Hobbyist Beekeeper >Santa Barbara, CA USA > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:31:12 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Leigh Wiley Subject: hive construction My experience with masonite for inner covers is that it tends to bow downward if you use top feeders. I don't like using masonite personnally. BE>I plan to mke my own hives. BE>1. Does anyone have any thoughts on the use of Masonite for the Inner cover BE>and the hive top (tin clad). BE>2. Any problems with the use of treated timber for hive boxes? BE>John Lewis BE>Fiji ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:46:11 -0500 Reply-To: beesbest@ne.mediaone.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kathy Hough Subject: Harvesting bees for apitherapy in winter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I appeal to the wisdom of the list(s); A quick search on deja news yielded nothing substantial on this subject. We need info (please?) from beekeepers in harsh winter climates who are currently and have successfully over the years "harvested" bees from colonies during the winter for people who are currently using apitherapy. What we'd like to know is: What is your prefered method for removal? Do you entice the bees to the inner cover on a warm day and collect there? If so, what is your "warm day" threshhold? freezing? 40 F? Do you actually open the box and scoop from a frame, even though that may cause them to break cluster? Do you use the same colony(s) all winter or do you spread the risk to many colonies? To what extent have you experienced colony winter mortality to change? Do you take any additional steps to mitigate the effect bee removal has had on the colony(s) all winter, like candy boards &/or pollen substitute? How many bees are you harvesting each winter and for how many different people? Do you enter into any sort of agreement with your customer like: if the hive(s) die(s), you pay for the replacement package, queen, or whatever? Or do you include the cost of replacement in the price you charge for the bees? Have I forgotten to ask something important? We've been supplying bees to people all summer who can't afford to pay the shipping for bees to come all winter from southern beekeepers who are providing this service. Since we are still growing our operation, we really don't want to sacrifice our potential spring splits, don't really want to buy packages, and don't really want to say no to these people. Any advice will be useful, Thanks in advance, Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:34:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: OCT Honey Prices ---------------------------------------- Some OCT 1997 Honey prices as reported in the NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS and other sources for 1997 crop Honey.. __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ | Some selected US HONEY Prices for 1997 crop honey. | | | | IMPORTS AUG 1997 totals 56.0 million kilograms | | EXPORTS 2.5 million kilograms | | CANADA (NONE REPORTED) | : : | ARGENTINA | | Clover 74.5-77 E/Coast white + | | | | MEXICO Mixed 69 Gulf light amber + | | Texas Tallow 62-70 light amber + | | Idaho Alfalfa 75 white | | NORTH DAKOTA | | Clover 71-77 white + | | CALIFORNIA | | Sage/Orange 70 white | | ORANGE 85 amber | | Mixed Flowers 59-61 ex lt amber - amber | | MONTANA Clover 71-79 white | | S. DAKOTA Clover 70-74 white : | WASHINGTON Clover 73 white | | Alfalfa 63 lt amber | | Mint 61 amber | | Utah Alfalfa 73 white | | WISCONSIN Clover 80-84 white | |____________________________________________________________| \ The market continues even to up new crop size not known / \ expected to be less then 1996. Imports over 100.000.000 lbs \------------------------------------------------------/ (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:43:38 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Fischer Subject: Re: hive construction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leigh Wiley wrote: > > My experience with masonite for inner covers is that it tends to bow > downward if you use top feeders. I don't like using masonite > personnally. > BE>I plan to mke my own hives. > > BE>1. Does anyone have any thoughts on the use of Masonite for the Inner cover > BE>and the hive top (tin clad). > > BE>2. Any problems with the use of treated timber for hive boxes? I would agree with the Leigh's comments on the original question by John Lewis. After the masonite bows downward it constricts the bee space, becomes heavily propolized to the top bars and upon opening the hive the masonite itself comes apart and sticks to the top bars in large flat plates. This material should never have been used for this purpose. What material is better? I have utilized OSB (oriented strand board) used as construction flooring and wall sheeting. This material has the annoying characteristic of flaking off as long wooden chips (even though it remains flat, unlike masonite) when scraped with the hive tool. Plywood does this too, although not as often and usually with much smaller chips. Thin boards set in a frame really are the best material for inner covers, in my opinion. Even they have a bad fault, however: when the covers age their frames tend to loosen up and the boards then come apart. I guess my covers ought to be replaced more often! On the subject of treated timber: I would not use this in any part of the hive that comes in contact with bees. However, it is great as a base for bottom boards. For some time now I have built my bottom boards upon two treated 2x4's 24 inches long. I usually set my hives upon a stand, but in an emergency hives on these bottom boards can sit right upon the ground even throughout the entire summer. Obviously, such bottom boards cannot be reversible, so I make them with the narrow depth opening (about 3/8 inch high). Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:50:25 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Fischer Subject: Re: OCT Honey Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would say thanks are in order to Andy for sharing the honey prices from the NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS on a regular basis. I believe that a subscription to this handy publication is about $35/yr. (it may be more), and putting these excerpts out on BEE-L is a great service to us all. I, for one, appreciate the data, Andy. Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:58:18 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ted Fischer Subject: Re: Swarms carry Mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Pennock wrote: > > This maybe a the wrong thing to do. Picking up swarms. I have been keeping > bees for 14 years and this is one practice I have STOPED. Let the mites move > on there own. I will not interduce tham in my hives>>> Sure, swarms carry mites. In most of the USA mites are endemic, so why worry about introducing them. They will be in your hives anyway. I would go with Adrian's advice and just put in Apistan strips when hiving any swarm, your own or one from an unknown source. Ted Fischer Dexter, Michigan USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:27:05 -0500 Reply-To: ajwelk@ibm.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Al Welk Subject: Re: Swarms carry Mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ted Fischer wrote: > Sure, swarms carry mites. In most of the USA mites are endemic, so why > worry about introducing them. They will be in your hives anyway. I > would go with Adrian's advice and just put in Apistan strips when hiving > any swarm, your own or one from an unknown source. > > Ted Fischer > Dexter, Michigan USA I agree with Ted, the mites are going to get you anyway. I can't afford to turn away a 2 -5 pound swarm with a queen. At $30 to $50 for the bees I recovered over 100 swarms last spring. If they all made it it would be about $3000 to $5000. Well worth the price of apistain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:49:00 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "George W.D. Fielder" Subject: FW: Harvesting bees for apitherapy in winter BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU ++++ Kathy asked >We need info (please?) from beekeepers in harsh winter climates who are currently and have successfully over the years "harvested" bees from colonies during the winter for people who are currently using apitherapy >What we'd like to know is: What is your prefered method for removal? I use a modified "Dustbuster" that sucks up the bees and deposits them in a glass mason jar. >Do you entice the bees to the inner cover on a warm day and collect there? >If so, what is your "warm day" threshhold? freezing? 40 F? I screen the entrances to the hive and keep it indoors in a completely dark cool room in my basement. I can not get the temp below about 13deg C (about 55F) although down to freezing would be better I think as the bees would not be so anxious to find a way out and light would not disturb them as much. I keep a pail feeder with sugar syrup on all winter on a square of four 2X4s on the inner cover (I do not use an outer cover when indoors). One of these 2X4s is not fastened down so I can gently slide it aside and vacuum up the bees that are working the syrup. In much colder tempersatures (outside) I have found that the bees do not work the syrup, so I'd have to hunt the cluster and risk loosing the colony. >Do you actually open the box and scoop from a frame, even though that may cause >them to break cluster? No. see above. >Do you use the same colony(s) all winter or do you spread the risk to many colonies? One colony by this method all winter easily supplied one patient. >To what extent have you experienced colony winter mortality to change? I only supplied bees for apitherapy for one year and the hive was stronger (larger population) than the ones over-wintered outdoors. I have wintered weak colonies before by same method and they are as strong as others by the time I take them outdoors for the fruit blossom bloom. >Do you take any additional steps to mitigate the effect bee removal has had on the colony(s) all winter, like candy boards &/or pollen substitute? Only as described above. A strong colony will usually have enough pollen stores for spring buildup and with low temperature and little free comb there seems to be little brood rearing between September and March. I feed primarily to make up for the loss to hungry bees that are more active than at very low temperatures when less stores will take them through. I was very worried about the bees need to fly to avoid Nosema. However I have noticed none of it. I think because of the low temperature and complete darkness. I sure would like comments from experts on my assumptions, particularly in this paragraph. >How many bees are you harvesting each winter and for how many different people? I took 10 to 30 bees a week from October through May from one hive. This was for one patient. I feel I could have taken twice as many for the hive was overly strong and swarmed a full month before outdoor wintered ones showed signs of congestion. >Do you enter into any sort of agreement with your customer like: if the hive(s) die(s), you pay for the replacement package, >queen, or whatever? My friend had offered to pay all "out of pocket" expenses that would have covered this. However later I supplied to someone else at $5 a week (about 20 fresh bees) who was reluctant to make a commitment of covering my losses. I came out ahead on this of course so lowered the price to $2.5 per week as I was not trying to make a profit at apitherapy. >Since we are still growing our operation, we really don't want to sacrifice our potential spring splits, don't >really want to buy packages, and don't really want to say no to these people. I understand completely and was pleasantly surprised to find that I collected the unexpected early swarm AND made a split while keeping up with outdoor wintered hives! I should pay the customers for starting me on a way to save weak hives and turn them into strong ones while >Have I forgotten to ask something important? I think not. But I would add that a red light can be used in the dark room for bees do not see red and hence do not fly then. Also I would recommend a bee vacuum to ease the job of removing the bees. If you have further questions please do not hesitate to ask. If this thread does not catch on, you can email me directly. I was corresponding with someone recently and promised my plans for the modified "Dustbuster". Having lost connectivity for several weeks I no longer have those peoples address. I do apologize for this. Would you please contact me again with your address so that I can send the plans? I have now sketched them out but have no scanner, besides the bitmap would be huge! regards to all ...... george located just north of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Or do you include the cost of replacement in the price you charge for the bees? We've been supplying bees to people all summer who can't afford to pay the shipping for bees to come all winter from southern beekeepers who are providing this service. Any advice will be useful, Thanks in advance, Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:21:43 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Doug Henry Subject: Re: Info Source for Bumble Bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Persons looking for more information on BB breeding techniques should try the following site in France:"http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cl.ivert/elevbour.htm". My apologies if someone has already made this available to the list. Doug Henry Lockport, Manitoba ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:01:53 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "D.B.Sullivan" Subject: Re: Info Source for Bumble Bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this page available in english???? ---------- From: Doug Henry To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Re: Info Source for Bumble Bees Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 12:21 PM Persons looking for more information on BB breeding techniques should try the following site in France:"http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cl.ivert/elevbour.htm". My apologies if someone has already made this available to the list. Doug Henry Lockport, Manitoba ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:39:24 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Doug Henry Subject: Re: Info Source for Bumble Bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe it is available in french only. You could try contacting the web page author directly at the following address "cl.ivert@wanadoo.fr". It is possible that an english version may listed somewhere. Hope this helps. Doug Henry ---------- > From: D.B.Sullivan > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: Info Source for Bumble Bees > Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 1997 2:01 PM > > Is this page available in english???? > > ---------- > From: Doug Henry > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: Info Source for Bumble Bees > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 12:21 PM > > Persons looking for more information on BB breeding techniques should try > the following site in > France:"http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cl.ivert/elevbour.htm". My apologies if > someone has already made this available to the list. > > Doug Henry > Lockport, Manitoba ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:11:49 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Doug Henry Subject: Bee-Keeping Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Allen Dick and all the others who have taken time to post spreadsheet templates, subject topics and other useful suggestions for maintaining records of bee-keeping activities. This is something I don't do well so your efforts and ideas are very much appreciated. Thanks again. Doug Henry Lockport Manitoba ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:27:57 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tom Speight MIME-Version: 1.0 SEARCH BEE-L YOU KNOW YOUR A BEEKEEPER WHEN.... -- Tom Speight ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:17:56 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Brenda Wishin Subject: Re: Harvesting bees for apitherapy in winter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for remembering me! Time to start tinkering on those winter projects! Brenda Wishin 27641 US 20 West South Bend, Indiana 46628 - 4557 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:22:14 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ed Costanza Subject: Best of Bee-L Does anyone have the address to best of Bee-L Thanks, Ed Costanza EDHC@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:17:23 +1300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Nick Wallingford Organization: Bay of Plenty Polytechnic Subject: Re: Best of Bee-L MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Does anyone have the address to best of Bee-L You can Sub and Unsub easily from a page at: http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/bob.htm (\ Nick Wallingford {|||8- home nickw@beekeeping.co.nz (/ work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz NZ Beekeeping http://www.beekeeping.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:47:33 -0400 Reply-To: anscsche@hooters.entelchile.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andreas Schuck Organization: entel Subject: Re: POLLINATION RESULTS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit .................... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:34:57 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: James D Satterfield Subject: TBH beekeeping...observation hives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List members, I have made a page on constructing observation hives using top bars, and linked the page on the tbh website homepage at: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm The new page is 326K, but it includes a number of photos that should help you make what you want. I've also included a section dealing with the observation hive that Terry and Jeannie Ross constructed from a hollow tree trunk...an unusual hive with an *end* view of combs. If you want to go directly to the observation hive page, go to: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/obshiv.htm A recent thread has centered around maintaining bee colonies for BVT, especially winter maintenance of the colonies. Observation hives, especially top bar observation hives, may offer inexpensive and viable alternatives to those engaged in BVT. I hope that your year has gone well. Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.24N, 084.47W (770) 479-4784 Top Bar Hive Beekeeping Website: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:33:23 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "J. Thomas Hochheimer" Subject: CCBA meeting Comments: To: "Peter PatukasFNBG00A@prodigy.com"@aol.com, Listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu, Listserv@cnsibm.albany.edu, tss@locke.ccil.org, RHawkes@wcupa.edu, smithib@mda.state.md.us Dear Bart, Thanks for speaking to our club, we enjoyed your presentation. I forgot to discuss with you at the meeting whether or not a speaker's fee was due to you. I'm new at this. Please let me know. Regarding the bait hive lure formula, I've located a source for the Geraniol, but may not have correctly recorded the first item - the "Citrol"? I've only found "Citral" in my lab catalogues. The first is an alcohol, while the second is an aldehyde. Did I write this down wrong? I'm still looking for the Geranic acid. Tom Hochheimer Chester County Beekeeper's Association Hochheimer@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:37:00 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "J. Thomas Hochheimer" Subject: Re: CCBA meeting Comments: To: "Peter PatukasFNBG00A@prodigy.com"@aol.com, Listserv@uacsc2.albany.edu, Listserv@cnsibm.albany.edu, tss@locke.ccil.org, RHawkes@wcupa.edu, smithib@mda.state.md.us Whoops, This message was was only meant to go to I Barton Smith. I really goofed on the addressing. Sorry. Tom Hochheimer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:57:50 -0800 Reply-To: lpeabody@lightspeed.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: linda peabody Organization: none Subject: Re: Sugar and honey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard H. Glassford I wrote: > > I have been unable toeat any commercial type of honey or sugar due to a type > of ulcer operation I had years ago. I start to tremble, feel very weak and > light headed, and very tired. Just recently my son came into some honey from > one of his students that was from what we gather as pure. It was suppose to > be only heated slightly to help removing the honey. Took two pieces of wheat > toast and loaded the both with all the honey they would hold. I did this four > differdays with out any effect at all. Went to the store and bought some pure > honey that was unfilterd or heated, the results were the same as before. I'm > just getting into this so it will take me a little time to do some > experimenting with the to get some measured material. Forgot to mention very > rapid pulse when I eat an excessive amount of sugar. Doesn't happen with this > particular type of honey as far as I can see. If you are interested I will > keep you informed on the testing and explaine the operation proceedure. If > anyone doesn't think this is important just ask my family, it's a real pain > Thanks for your info on the subject, it was very helpful i would like to know more about this.. linda peabody.. lpeabody@lightspeeed.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:12:53 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: hive construction Hi All On the hive construction thread. A useful material is corrugated plastic. Here it is available in varying thicknnesses, bizzarely the thicker are cheaper. The advantages with this are- it insulates. - bees don't seem (touuch corruugated plastic) propolise it or wax it very much. - it is cheap annd easy to work with - it is flexible in one plane and not the other, (useful in lifting whenn stuck a bit) - it is waterprood - it does nnot go mouldy - it is about sixty percent lighter. I have even used it as a temporary lid and found the bees thrived, but I was worried about light getting through maybe decreasing wax productionn. Just my two cents Keep well Garth PS one can often pick up bulk throwaway from display companies. --- Garth Cambray Kamdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 3rd year Biochemistry/Microbiology Rhodes University In general, generalisations are bad. Interests: Flii's and Bees. Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post in no way reflect those of Rhodes University. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:29:15 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: jim jensen Subject: Re: african bees - change of outlook In-Reply-To: <43B3A36C7E@warthog.ru.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:56 AM 11/7/97 GMT+0200, you wrote: >So, given that there are positive aspects to the african honey bee, as well as negative aspects, just as there are positive and negative aspects to the european honey bee, why does someone not have the vision of early pioneers like brother Adam etc to bread a bee which will occupy the niche that the present AHB's are filling? Just a though Keep well Garth --- Garth Cambray Kamdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 Dear Garth, Well it looks like you have the vision!! Execution is of course another thing...... =) Jim Jensen Atlanta Georgia bdnut@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:07:57 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Gary B. Swift" Organization: Owens Valley High School Subject: school report on AHBs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 11/13/97 Dear Beekeepers, Hello my name is Jamie Swift. I live on the east side of the Sierra Nevada mountains of California. I am doing a 6th grade school history project on the migration of ahb (killer bees). I am looking for any information that you can send about how they have affected your job, or how you think they will in the future. If you have any information I would appreciate it greatly. Thank you, Jamie Swift gbswift@telis.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:32:41 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "John L. Scogin" Subject: Re: school report on AHBs Jamie, I received your message and expect that you will receive some help from the Bee folks. I am on the list to learn about bees myself. Good luck with the project. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:09:00 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tony Dixon Subject: Pollen traps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Winter is here and I plan to make some pollen traps. Does anyone have advise on which type works best? The OAC type does catch hive debris but it is nice and easy to collect from. What about the other styles.Are there plans for such "other " types of trap?? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:54:28 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "MR WILLIAM L HUGHES JR." Subject: Heating 5 gallon pails I have several 5 gallon pails that have crystallized. Instead of buying one of those expensive pail heating bands I was wondering if pipe warming tape that you use to keep your pipes from freezing would work. Has any one tried this. Bill Hughes Brighton, Tennessee USA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:57:46 -0900 Reply-To: beeman@Alaska.NET Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tom & Carol Elliott Organization: Home Subject: Re: Pollen traps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony Dixon wrote: > > Winter is here and I plan to make some pollen traps. Does >anyone have advise on which type works best? The OAC type does catch >hive debris but it is nice and easy to collect from. What about the >other styles.Are there plans for such "other " types of trap?? I built a hive top pollen trap that traps clean pollen. I couldn't give you any plans, I didn't use any. I read about it in one of the Journals several years ago. It can be used on top, ont the bottom or in the middle of the hive. Anyone recall this model? -- "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) Tom Elliott Chugiak, Alaska U.S.A. beeman@alaska.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 05:52:44 +0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Carlos Aparicio Subject: Re: school report on AHBs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jamie: Here in Uruguay (35=BA latitude South) we do not have African Honey= Bee. We know the AHB has no capabilities to manage the temperate weather and will perish with temperatures less than 10=BA C=BA. This fact, stopped= them in Africa between tropics which in America is Sao Paulo at South and Florida in the North. Programs of intensive breeding and artificial insemination could change the aggressively of AHB, but these programs in my opinion could also improve the capability of AHB to survive in temperate climates. Is a personal fear, but also a question I do to list members. Have luck with your project =20 Carlos Aparicio At 05:07 PM 13/11/1997 -0800, Gary B. Swift wrote: >11/13/97 > >Dear Beekeepers, > Hello my name is Jamie Swift. I live on the east side of the= Sierra >Nevada mountains of California. I am doing a 6th grade school history >project on the migration of ahb (killer bees). I am looking for any >information that you can send about how they have affected your job, or >how you think they will in the future. If you have any information I >would appreciate it greatly. > > Thank you, > Jamie Swift > gbswift@telis.org > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:27:39 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: BEE-L Digest - 12 Nov 1997 to 13 Nov 1997 In-Reply-To: Hi All I saw this post and thought I should reply a bit about it. At present in the medical field there seems to be little interest or understanding of certain problems that can be treated chemically. For instance if a person is allergic to wheat or sugar protein it is likely to cause them to become depressed and unhealthy. Recent work in many countries suggests that a large number of people have these allergies. To treat them one simply avoids the problem foods. This is cheap and gives no revenue. It is easier for the person and the doctor(financially) to prescribe an anti-depressant and cortisone. Or maybe just penicillen to stop recurring gut ulcers etc. (I am not criticising doctors here - most are very good people- but rather the outlook of an establishment that sees adding chemicals as the way of fixing things. ie we treat symtoms not the problem.) In the case of sugar sensitivity many people develop immunoglobin A responses to certain proteins in sugar cane. This makes sense as we are not cows and are not supposed to eat sugar cane. We can deal with sugar yes. The marketing industry has very few regulations, even in the US with sue happy lawyers, to regulate what one puts in a product. An example is what is called dusting on chocolates. The ingredient label on a chocolate does not have to specify what the dusting used to stop the chocolate stick to the wrapper is. If the person is gluten sensitive they can have a perfectly normal reaction to this, increasing their chances of developing cancers, altzheimers, diabeties etc. So on the commercial honey packers front - these may be honest companies, but there is nothing to say that the people selling honey to them are honest. The honey may be sugar-honey from feed. It may be diluted/cut honey. Antibodies are among the most sensitive chemical sensors around. You can have a response to a microgram of sugar in a litre of honey. SO my advice: given how dishonest humanity is, if you show any signs of sensitivity to honey - produce your own. Keep well Garth > Richard H. Glassford I wrote: > > > > I have been unable toeat any commercial type of honey or sugar due to a type > > of ulcer operation I had years ago. I start to tremble, feel very weak and > > light headed, and very tired. Just recently my son came into some honey from > > one of his students that was from what we gather as pure. It was suppose to > > be only heated slightly to help removing the honey. Took two pieces of wheat > > toast and loaded the both with all the honey they would hold. I did this four > > differdays with out any effect at all. Went to the store and bought some pure > > honey that was unfilterd or heated, the results were the same as before. I'm > > just getting into this so it will take me a little time to do some > > experimenting with the to get some measured material. Forgot to mention very > > rapid pulse when I eat an excessive amount of sugar. Doesn't happen with this > > particular type of honey as far as I can see. If you are interested I will > > keep you informed on the testing and explaine the operation proceedure. If > > anyone doesn't think this is important just ask my family, it's a real pain > > Thanks for your info on the subject, it was very helpful > i would like to know more about this.. > linda peabody.. > lpeabody@lightspeeed.net --- Garth Cambray Kamdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 3rd year Biochemistry/Microbiology Rhodes University In general, generalisations are bad. Interests: Flii's and Bees. Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post in no way reflect those of Rhodes University. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 04:52:25 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Faith Andrews Bedford Subject: Address needed In a july issue of the New York Times a mention was made of David Graves of Becket, Mass who keeps bees on top of buildings in NYC. Having thought of that myself for the four years I lived in NYC but not being able to figure out how to get the sticky supers down the elevator (much less extract them in a NYC apt!), I was fascinated and wanted to learn more, perhaps, since I am a writer, do a more in depth article on him. Does anyone know David. David, are you out there? If so I would certainly appreciate a response/ address. Thanks, Faith Andrews Bedford ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:51:33 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Conni Still (Long Island)" Subject: Re: BEE-L Digest - 12 Nov 1997 to 13 Nov 1997 HI Bill Hughes, Yes we have used the pipe heating tape to warm our honey. You have to put a little c-clamp on the thermostat to make it go "on" otherwise you have to wait for cold weather. This will also make the tape keep heating so watch the temperature of the honey carefully or it will get too hot. But it is a really inexpensive alternative for a temporary problem. Good luck. Conni and Clifford Still, Bayport, Long Island 16 years-3 hives. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:56:14 -0800 Reply-To: fdesjard@agr.gouv.qc.ca Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: France Desjardins Organization: MAPAQ Subject: am I always a member of beeline? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit since a while I don't receive a lot of discussion or information from beeline . I want to check if I'm always a member or if there isn't a lot of discussion anyway. Please someone answer me Thank you france desjardins ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:49:39 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garry Libby Subject: Re: Heating 5 gallon pails Hi Bill, The Beeworks in Canada has apail warming device called "The Melt Belt".This is pretty inexpensive($14.75)and uses about the same electricity as a lightbulb. The address is: beeworks@muskoka.net Website: www.muskoka.net/~beeworks/ Hope this is helpfull, Garry Libby Boston,MA USA LibBEE@msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:41:59 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Bee Works Subject: Re: Heating 5 gallon pails In-Reply-To: <199711140454.XAA15304@mime4.prodigy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 13 Nov 97 at 23:54, MR WILLIAM L HUGHES JR. wrote: > I have several 5 gallon pails that have crystallized. Instead of > buying one of those expensive pail heating bands I was wondering if > pipe warming tape that you use to keep your pipes from freezing > would work. Has any one tried this. We market a device called a 'Melt Belt' just for this job. Straps on with a friction fit, low temp, low operating cost, no supervision necessary, no thermostats necessary, warms a pail from solid to a liquid state so that you can get it out. At $14.75 + S/H, not a bad price. ******************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Dr, Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, L3V 6H1 Phone/fax 705-326-7171 David Eyre, Owner. http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks e-mail ******************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:16:26 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Bonney Subject: Re: Address needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Faith Regarding David Graves, the town of Becket is very small. If all else fails you might try snail mail to him without a street address. Dick Bonney ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:24:10 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jim Moore Subject: Extracting "outside" Faith Andrews Bedford writes: >...Having thought of that myself for the four years I lived in NYC but not >being able to figure out how to get the sticky supers down the elevator (much >less extract them in a NYC apt!)... I've been keeping bee for two seasons (5 hives this year) and have avoided the possible/probable mess of extracting inside. I don't live in the city or in an apartment building but my experience may suggest extracting alternatives. I live in a one family house and keep my bees next to the house on my deck. I have a screen house (12'x12') that I have set up every summer for years on the same deck for sitting or dining outside in the evening. The bee are on the east side of the house. The screen house on the south side about 25` from the hives. When it is time to extract I do it inside the screen house. Any bees that come in on the suppers just fly at the sceen and don't seem to find there way out. So far I have extracted during a flow so the bees are mostly uninterested in the honey and don't try to get in. Any honey that drips is easily hosed away. This avoids sticky door handles and floors and an aggravated wife. It has worked great so far and I'll continue to do may extracting outside. Maybe some year without a flow I'll have a robbing rampage story to tell. Regards, Jim Moore ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:56:20 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jim Moore Subject: Re: Address needed >Regarding David Graves, the town of Becket is very small. If all else >fails you might try snail mail to him without a street address. Using switchboard (http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiqa.dll?MG=) with Dave Graves, Becket, Ma. yields: Graves, David H Route 8, Becket, MA 01223 Phone: xxxxxxxxxxxx I xx'ed the phone number. Regards, Jim Moore ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:00:35 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard E Leber Subject: Re: Pollen traps On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:09:00 -0800 Tony Dixon writes: > Winter is here and I plan to make some pollen traps. ...Are >there plans for such "other " types of trap?? > Hi Tony and Ya'll, Check the Brushy Mountain Bee Farm catalog for construction plans ($1.25). They will send a catalog upon request: Telephone 1-800-233-7929 FAX 1-910-921-2681. Rick Leber, Beekeeping and Honey Production Since 1987 Mobile, Alabama USA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:25:52 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dave from Scranton Subject: Re: Cough drops for mite control In-Reply-To: <971103.111707.EST.SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Aaron Morris wrote: > > The claim that you can control mites via cough drops has been debunked > in many learned circles. Still there are some, perhaps many, who won't > let this myth die, but trust me folks, you don't want to be betting your > bees that cough drops will control mites. If it sounds too good to be > true then perhaps it is! > > Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! I've heard that cough drops have been used to control beekeepers, any truth to this? ****************************************************************************** Dave D. Cawley, Maitre d' | The Internet Cafe | Scranton, Pennsylvania | (717) 344-1969 | dave@scranton.com | ****************************************************************************** URL => http://www.scranton.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:59:50 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gerry Visel Subject: Re: Best of Bee-L Nick, How about those who get email but no web access. (Like the 1,000,000+ people that use free Juno email?) Gerry On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:10:16 -0600 "Excerpts from BEE-L" writes: >> Does anyone have the address to Best of Bee-L > >You can Sub and Unsub easily from a page at: > >http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/bob.htm > > (\ Nick Wallingford > {|||8- home nickw@beekeeping.co.nz > (/ work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz >NZ Beekeeping http://www.beekeeping.co.nz > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:02:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: Bees in News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *FYI* from the sci.agriculture.beekeeping news group.. ---------------------------------------- Beekeepers in the News _ _ _______ ______ _____ _ _ _ | \ | | ____\ \ / / ___| | ___| | __ _ ___| |__ | | | \| | _| \ \ /\ / /\___ \ | |_ | |/ _` / __| '_ \ | | | |\ | |___ \ V V / ___) | | _| | | (_| \__ \ | | | |_| |_| \_|_____| \_/\_/ |____/ |_| |_|\__,_|___/_| |_| (_) The last month still finds APITHERAPY and the promotion of the movie ULEES GOLD as the most mentioned beekeeping articles on the internet news online circuit. One story worth reading maybe the idea that "COLD INTERBREEDING TAKE STING OUT OF "KILLER BEES", you could find that at: http://www.austin360.com/news/09sep/02/stings2.htm Maybe one of our readers could do a follow up on the two Florida beekeepers who were arrested for assault and kidnapping another Florida beekeeper they suspected of "beehive burning" as I could not find more then the fact one was in the slammer and one was on the run. This week heard on the local farm radio and not seen in print comes word that two African beehives were discovered in the heart of the prime Northern California Bee Breeding area. Not to worry they were destroyed and nothing was said about any drones getting away. These two hives were reported for attacking workers on a construction site. The company had moved in equipment from Arizona and the story was slanted so you would believe these bees came in with the construction equipment and were really Arizona bees after all. It is interesting to note none of the major print companies picked up on this story and I have not found mention of it on the net. From the echo freaks come this last gem.... Earthquakes Tropical Storms Volcanoes Rat Scare Bee Tragedy About 900 million South African bees died this year, largely due to the meeting of incompatible cousins from different climate zones. The massive die-off was caused when Cape bees were transported to the north of the country to feed off plants that bloom at different times of the year. Their higher pheromone levels threw off the breeding patterns of the native African honeybees. Then the migrant bees were found to be unable to endure the harsher climate of northern South Africa. The sudden loss of the bee population threatens fruit crops as well as native plants. http://detnews.com/1996/menu/stories/61053.htm Maybe some South African beekeepers can give us the facts? Number of hives, beekeepers, and the real problem, like the regional use of pesticides on local crops, etc. All the news was not all that bad, everyone should notice the SUE BEE advertisement in this months ladies magazines and remember "not one cent of your tax money paid for any part of it". It's just too bad that the rest of the honey packing industry relies on the National Honey Board to do their promotion for them. Do you ever wonder what happens to any industry that that does their own advertising and promotion without big brother's foot prints? Years ago before government got into the honey promotion business many different packers use to advertise, sure the smaller one's used local advertising on radio, and even some advertised at sporting events. Now they leave it to big brother and the honey packing industries idea of advertising is to give a discount or "kick back" to some super market buyer which the public never sees as a reduction of price. ttul, the OLd Drone (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. 111497 --- =FE QMPro 1.53 =FE http://194.112.46.22/public/default.htm (Amigabee BBS= ) --- =FE QMPro 1.53 =FE ik ben een imker in Holland