========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:07:28 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: molasses In-Reply-To: <34D01438.5A3C@acnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:31 PM 1/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >I am new to BEE-L and I love it. Welcome!! >I am a beginner in beekeeping and would like to know if bees can be fed >with molasses; Could apiculture be combined with "double purpose" cattle >raising, giving the bees the same kind of molasses that we use here to >add to silage? NO molasses, raw Mexican sugar, or natural fruit sugars. The diet requirements of bees are different then cattle. If you could get bees to consume many of the things cattle can the bees would have digestive problems and if cool temperature kept them in for any extended periods of time could become very sick and die. >I would like to see each farmer here having a small apiary, but during >the rainy season and with strong winds, bees cannot forage, and sugar is >very expensive here. >Another question, must the bees always be fed protein during dearth >time, or how log can they be fed only with carbohydrates (sugar)? >What do you think? I would hope that most beekeepers would not be feeding refined sugar or proteins to their bees unless they have a problem or some need to rear bees when natural foods are not available and could recover the high cost of feeding by increased income. You can not trade sugar for honey pound for pound because the bees must convert the sugar to bees then to honey and the beekeepers then turns the honey into money or consumes it. Bees can consume as much as 5-10 gallons of sugar syrup in the spring and not produce any honey. There may be some areas of the world that bees can not make it on their own because of short seasons or other environmental conditions and in these areas beekeepers do feel they must feed their bees or they just can not keep them. Some of these areas have government programs that allow sugar for bee feeding at subsidized prices, but this is becoming rare. If you are in Mexico your bees should be able to support themselves without the added cost of supplemental feeding. If not I would think twice about keeping them as they can be a very expensive hobby and one most enjoyed by the fully employed middle class who are not dependent on the bees for income. Some parts of Northern Mexico that I am fibular with beekeeping in normally have very early spring honey flows and the bees would have to be conditioned in the fall to be in the prime condition for the spring flow or they will waste the main honey flow on build up their numbers. These areas are sometimes hard hit by summer droughts and new bee pests and beekeepers are finding it harder to stay interested in keeping bees. ttul, the OLd Drone ... I said, but just to be a bee (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:41:48 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: QueenB Jan Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: New Bee Card Game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have been developing a new card game about beekeeping that is quite educational. I am hoping to find some game-loving beekeepers to try out the game and give me some feedback and suggestions for improvements. The game is tentatively named "Dizzy Bee", but I am also considering calling it "The Dizzy Beekeeper". I'm open to suggestions on that too. Since it was quite expensive to get cards printed up, I will have to charge even for this rough- draft version, but it is quite playable. Since Kinko's messed up the first version and then re-printed it quite to my satisfaction, I have it available in two forms. The messed-up version is playable, but the cards are not cut very evenly making them difficult to shuffle. Otherwise, the cards sets are the same. I have seven messed-up sets available at $4.00 plus $3.00 postage, and I have five good sets available at $8.00 plus 3.00 postage. I will also expect to receive an evaluation of the game with suggestions for improvement after you have had a chance to play it. The sets are available first-come-first-served. E-mail me to reserve the set, so I can confirm your order. I will then hold the game for at least a week as I await your check by snail mail. If you are wondering if I am smart enough to put a game together, check out my web page to make up your mind. Janice Green (wife of Dave Green, Alias: Pollinator) QueenBJan@aol.com ...Of Bees, Beekeepers and Food http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:32:12 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: T & M Weatherhead Subject: Re: Apis dorsata MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Caution to those who are wanting to look at Apis dorsata. I think I read somehwere were Apis dorsata is the natural host of Tropila= elaps clareae Those in Asia tell us that Tropilaelaps is a greater threat to Apis melli= fera than Varroa. Trevor Weatherhead AUSTRALIA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:58:03 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Edward A Craft Subject: Re: Killer Bees Wimp out Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >What was left out is that they are no longer looking or have reduced by x >million $$ money wasted spent on looking. Port of Entry, Sea Ports, are >still actively searching and finding AHB's outside the of so called >infested areas. I read that inspectors found a swarm on a ship in Tampa Bay Ed Craft 14887 Oldham Dr Orlando, FL 32826 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:22:58 +0100 Reply-To: Michael Haberl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Haberl Subject: Re: DNA. > > d) When a swarm occurred the workers did not divide randomly; they > > divided very much according to their drone parents, the swarm > > consisting very largely of workers from only three or four drones. > Did the study say anything regarding the ages of the swarming bees? > Did the swarm consist of all ages of like-father bees? There is a study by Winston and Otis (J Apic Res 17:123-129,1978). The authors conclude that both newly emerged worker bees and old worker bees swarm less readily than other worker bees. For the newly emerged bees the same can be concluded from the study by Getz et al. (Behav Ecol Sociobiol 10: 265-270, 1982; same study as mentioned in my previous mail). Data from one of their colonies: cordovan normal swarm remnant swarm remnant unfrayed wings 80 % 20 % 62 % 38 % frayed wings 53 % 47 % 38 % 62 % > How do the drones decide whether to stay or swarm? There is no "family allegiance" in their case. Raises all sorts of interesting questions which probably will never get answered. There is a study by Ratnieks and Miller (Anim Behav 46:803-805, 1993). Quotation: .. Theoretical analyses suggest that workers maximize their inclusive fitness by dividing in favour of the swarm (...). This is because: (1) additional adult workers should increase the survival of the swarm more than the established colony (...) (2) in the case of the prime swarm. the workers are more related to the offspring of the swarm queen (their mother) than the offspring of the queen that will inherit the established colony (their sister). Empirical data (Martin 1963) show that about two-thirds of the workers (*MY NOTE: adult workers*) leave with a swarm. (...) Because drones do no work, do not visit flowers, and obtain all their food directly or indirectly from the workers, the above argument (*MY NOTE: argument 1) is reversed for the division of drones, leading to the prediction that drones should preferentially stay with the established colony. ... End of quotation The authors experimental data from 8 prime swarms and 5 after swarms support this prediction: Regarding all 13 swarms, on average 18 % of a colony's drones joined the swarm, whereas on average 65 % of the workers joined the swarm. There was no signifcant difference between prime and after swarms. > DNA footprint for queens can be obtained ... Just a technical note: I know these terms get easily mixed up. What we are talking about here are DNA fingerprints and genotyping by locus specific PCR amplifications. DNA fingerprints look a little bit like bar codes. One stripe represents one DNA fragment of a particular lenght. DNA footprints are DNA sequence patters with gaps at particular sites resulting from a protein molecule being affixed to recognition sequences on the DNA strand. So, whereas DNA fingerprints are used to investigate genetic relationships, DNA footprints are used to determine the DNA sequence where interactions with proteins take place. Michael ____________________________________________________________________ Michael Haberl Zoologisches Institut der Uni Muenchen Tel: ++49 89 5902-444 Luisenstr. 14 Fax: ++49 89 5902-450 80333 Muenchen e-mail: haberl@zi.biologie.uni-muenchen.de Germany http://www.ebe-online.de/home/mhaberl/index.htm ____________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:07:53 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: PETER POLINO Subject: Re: Hauling supers - flat bed vs. low trailer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2C9E.0DF11440" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2C9E.0DF11440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Sir I tried to stop all the e-mail being forwarded from bee-l@cnsibm.albany.edu but I couldn't any other way can you? Please confirm I'm desperate Eric Polino polmcd@ontarioeast.net ---------- From: Walt Barricklow[SMTP:pondsite@barnwellsc.com] Sent: January 22, 1998 3:53 PM To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Re: Hauling supers - flat bed vs. low trailer Ive come to a slightly different conclusion. The boxes seem to get heavier after Ive been in the sun for several hours. ---------- > From: Walter T. Weller > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: Hauling supers - flat bed vs. low trailer > Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 10:04 AM > > Right. I reached the same conlusion unloading a flatbed of baled hay > into a barn loft by hand. > > >I have noticed the same phenomenom. It is the supers that get heavier > >by > >the end of the day. 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Or at least A. cerana has - maybe someone could correct me (thanks). Anyway, the single-comb nesting habit of A. dorsata/A. laboriosa poses certain difficulties. Getting them to nest where we would like (in a shelter or "hive") is one thing. Also, the honey is stored at the upper portion of the big comb, so harvesting it usu. means destroying the lower (brood) portion. It would be difficult to divide a uni-comb nest, or otherwise "manage" them as we have come to do with the European bees, or to a lesser extent with cerana. With A. mellifera or cerana one can remove a number of the combs intact, since there are several within a nest. There are also smaller populations in the colonies of the large bees, and may of these colonies tend to migrate, deserting the montane nests during the winter. Management of cerana is interesting and practical, as they are quite similar to the European bee. At least one cerana-subspecies has larger populations than the others, and is used for honey production and pollination in Asia, using a sort of miniature moveable-frame hive. Just where/when the transfer of varroa from A. cerana to mellifera took place I don't know. Evidently there were some of these colonies used in combination and the mites eventually transferred to a new host. ...could someone provide a clarification on this? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:55:22 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Plea for help - long winded - PLEASE READ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT A commonly encountered problem on BEE-L stems from LISTSERV's inability to recognize slight variations in subscribers' addresses. There are a number of possible causes for this confusion, the most common of which is a subscriber has changed service providers or has access from more than one account. For Instance, if Bea Keeper subscribed to BEE-L from her America Online account, LISTSERV will 'know' her as BeaKeeper@aol.com Now, if Bea (who works for the US government) posts to BEE-L from her day job, LISTSERV will receive a post from BeaKeeper@work.gov When this happens LISTSERV does not recognize Bea as a legitimate subscriber and forwards her post to the ACTIVE list owner where it must be approved or rejected. If the list owner approves Bea's post LISTSERV then distributes it to the list and it appears to Bea in her office that her post made it through to BEE-L with no problem when actually it was the list owner who intervened on Bea's behalf. Taking this a step further, if Bea requests to search the BEE-L archives from her office, LISTSERV rejects her SEARCH BEE-L request and returns it to BeaKeeper@work.gov with a message that Bea Keeper is not subscribed to BEE-L. In this case LISTSERV complains to Bea rather than the list owner and Bea is left confused, especially when she goes home and submits the very same SEARCH BEE-L request and gets what she is looking for! That's because LISTSERV then receives the request from BeaKeeper@aol.com and happily services Bea's request because it came from the address known to the subscription list!!! The important thing to remember is that LISTSERV only recognizes addresses as they are subscribed to the list. BeaKeeper@aol.com is the same person as BeaKeeper@work.gov but LISTSERV doesn't realize that. LISTSERV only knows Bea as she is subscribed to the list. Users with more than one account can only access BEE-L from the account they used to subscribe. POP servers further compound the issue. LISTSERV does not recognize BeaKeeper@work.gov as the same person as BeaKeeper@pop.work.gov Proxies (software to expand an E-mail address) get even MORE complicated! LISTSERV will not recognize requests from BeaKeeper@cubicle.in.Ag_Building-3.work.gov even though software at work.gov can expand mail from BEE-L to deliver it to Bea's desk! LISTSERV is good but it's not THAT good. Admittedly this is a cumbersome PITA (Pain in the Apiary) - I mean, I can figure it out, why can't LISTSERV. Why ask why? That's the nature of the beast. By design LISTSERV places the responsibility to maintain a user's subscription on the subscriber, then on the list owner. There is a not insignificant number of subscribers out there whose E-Mail addresses are now slightly different than the address they used when they subscribed. If/When a subscription address is about to change, the owner should SIGNOFF BEE-L from their old address and resubscribe from their new address when it is activated. If a subscriber does not do this, LISTSERV then dumps that chore onto the list owner who now routinely has to wade through 300+ messages every Monday morning to clean things up. If a user's address changes with no attention to this 'design feature', the only choices left to the list owner and the subscriber is for the owner to delete the old subscription and then the subscriber must resubscribe from their new address. THIS IS A PLEA FOR HELP!!! If your E-Mail address has changed since you subscribed to BEE-L, please send mail to me personally at: sysam@cnsibm.albany.edu requesting that I delete your old address. Then you can resubscribe from your new address. For those who don't know what LISTSERV thinks their subscription address is, send mail to: LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu that reads: QUERY BEE-L LISTSERV will then either return to you a summary of your BEE-L subscription options or will return to you a message to the effect that you are not subscribed to BEE-L. If you receive a message to that effect, you are one of the subscriptions I am trying to clean up. Sorry for the length of this administrivial plea. Help if you can, Aaron Morris ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:59:13 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Alan Goldblatt/Hilary Hamilton Subject: Re: brewer's yeast Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You can buy brewer's yeast at any one of the food co-ops or (at a higher price) from Bread and Circus. The co-ops will also special order it in bulk packages for you if you need that much. What the devil are you using it for? -Alan Goldblatt ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:21:57 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: Asian Honey Bees In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Management of cerana is interesting and practical, as they are quite > similar to the European bee. At least one cerana-subspecies has larger > populations than the others, and is used for honey production and > pollination in Asia, using a sort of miniature moveable-frame hive. There are pictures of both Dorsata and cerana at the Fairview site http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Fairview in the Philipines section. ...reminds me. I never did finish the slide show feature there. Sorry. But the album works fine. Allen --- * Want to cut the volume of mail from BEE-L? * Want to improve the signal to noise ratio? Send email to honeybee@systronix.net saying join bestofbee ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:52:34 -0400 Reply-To: eunice.wonnacott@pei.sympatico.ca Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eunice Wonnacott Subject: Re: New Bee Card Game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit QueenB Jan wrote: > > I have been developing a new card game about beekeeping that is quite > educational. I am hoping to find some game-loving beekeepers to try out the > game and give me some feedback and suggestions for improvements. The game is > tentatively named "Dizzy Bee", but I am also considering calling it "The Dizzy > Beekeeper". I'm open to suggestions on that too. Since it was quite > expensive to get cards printed up, I will have to charge even for this rough- > draft version, but it is quite playable. > > Since Kinko's messed up the first version and then re-printed it quite to my > satisfaction, I have it available in two forms. The messed-up version is > playable, but the cards are not cut very evenly making them difficult to > shuffle. Otherwise, the cards sets are the same. I have seven messed-up > sets available at $4.00 plus $3.00 postage, and I have five good sets > available at $8.00 plus 3.00 postage. I will also expect to receive an > evaluation of the game with suggestions for improvement after you have had a > chance to play it. > > The sets are available first-come-first-served. E-mail me to reserve the set, > so I can confirm your order. I will then hold the game for at least a week as > I await your check by snail mail. > > If you are wondering if I am smart enough to put a game together, check out my > web page to make up your mind. > > Janice Green (wife of Dave Green, Alias: Pollinator) > QueenBJan@aol.com > ...Of Bees, Beekeepers and Food > http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm Please reserve a game for me, and instruct me how to reach you for payment. The better set would be my choice, but if not, then the other rather than none. Eunice ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:06:11 -0400 Reply-To: eunice.wonnacott@pei.sympatico.ca Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eunice Wonnacott Subject: Re: brewer's yeast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan Goldblatt/Hilary Hamilton wrote: > > You can buy brewer's yeast at any one of the food co-ops or (at a higher > price) from Bread and Circus. The co-ops will also special order it in > bulk packages for you if you need that much. What the devil are you using > it for? > -Alan Goldblatt We see pur beekeepers use it as a pollen substitute in early spring. Apparently they are well satisfied with the results. Eunice ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:21:26 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: brewer's yeast In-Reply-To: <3.0.4.32.19980129115913.006a4bd0@RR1.connriver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > You can buy brewer's yeast at any one of the food co-ops or (at a higher > price) from Bread and Circus. Animal feed grade can be had in 50 pound bags through feed mills that make cattle and hog feed. Price is about 50c US/lb or so for the good stuff. some has a lot of meal and growth medium in it and is not fit for bees. Read the analysis and compare. I think a BEE-L search may find my comments on yeast nutrient content analysis some time back, but if not, email me and I'll get the docs out and post what the good stuff should have in it. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:31:47 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Peter Fruehwirth Subject: AW: Apis dorsata MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Be aware of transfer asian bee races to other continents!!! Tropilaelaps clarae and Euvarroa sinhai will bring much more troubles to us than Varroa . Peter Fruehwirth Queen breeding station for Original Austrian Carniolan Queens Austria > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: T & M Weatherhead [SMTP:queenbee@gil.com.au] > Gesendet am: Freitag, 30. Janner 1998 06:32 > An: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Betreff: Re: Apis dorsata > > Caution to those who are wanting to look at Apis dorsata. > I think I read somehwere were Apis dorsata is the natural host of Tropilaelaps clareae > > Those in Asia tell us that Tropilaelaps is a greater threat to Apis mellifera than Varroa. > > Trevor Weatherhead > AUSTRALIA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:10:44 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Donald Aitken Subject: Re: sugar water In-Reply-To: <199801282313.SAA06086@eaglenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is always an element of doubt in any formula as to whether you should be using volume units or weight units. In the case of mixing sugar and water a delightful coincidence occurs. You cannot go wrong, since water and granulated sugar have equal weights for equal volumes. This means that 2:1 by volume is the same as 2:1 by weight. Note that we are talking about accuracy for practical purposes here. Small changes occur for warm water versus cold water, packed sugar versus loose sugar etc etc. For precision work, weights are usually better. Donald Aitken 11710-129 Street Edmonton Alberta Canada T5M 0Y7 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:24:27 -1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Thomas W. Culliney" Subject: Re: AW: Apis dorsata In-Reply-To: <01BD2D00.067012E0.fruehwirth.aca@netway.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Peter Fruehwirth wrote: > Be aware of transfer asian bee races to other continents!!! > Tropilaelaps clarae and Euvarroa sinhai will bring much more troubles to us than Varroa . Introduction of A. dorsata or any other honey bee species (other than A. mellifera) into the U.S., at least (the bee regulations of Canada and other North American countries may be more lenient), is illegal, except under certain narrowly prescribed circumstances, under the Honey Bee Act of 1922. Also, as probably every state's apiary laws require honey bees to be kept in movable-frame hives, this would preclude American beekeepers' keeping dorsata and other non-hive honey bees. ************************************************************************* Tom Culliney Hawaii Dept. of Agriculture, Division of Plant Industry, 1428 South King St., Honolulu, HI 96814, U.S.A. E-mail: culliney@elele.peacesat.hawaii.edu Telephone: 808-973-9528 FAX: 808-973-9533 "To a rough approximation and setting aside vertebrate chauvinism, it can be said that essentially all organisms are insects."--R.M. May (1988) "Bugs are not going to inherit the earth. They own it now. So we might as well make peace with the landlord."--T. Eisner (1989) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:07:33 +1300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mark Horsnell Subject: brands & logos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hi all, i'm just a small time cut comb honey producer & am looking to start up my own brand. does anyone know where i can find some good quality graphic art on the net which is bee/honey/flower/etc related? any other hints or past experiences also welcome. tia ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:52:41 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: mites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Today I checked all 15 hives today and was very surprised to find all are doing fine. This is the first winter since I started using only FGMO to treat my bees for mites. I usually have 1 or 2 hives by this time that havent made it. This is not a scientific study just my own observation. Looks like all 15 hives will make it in very good shape with plenty of stores left. paul in okla. 15 hives and growing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:11:27 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Elroy Rogers Subject: Re: mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Bashore wrote: > > Today I checked all 15 hives today and was very surprised to find all are > doing fine. This is the first winter since I started using only FGMO to > treat my bees for mites. I usually have 1 or 2 hives by this time that > havent made it. This is not a scientific study just my own observation. > Looks like all 15 hives will make it in very good shape with plenty of > stores left. > > paul in okla. 15 hives and growing Hi Paul Glad to hear your success with mineral oil. I am sure you spent a lot less, I would guess $4.00 compared to $75.00 with apistan. I think if everyone would get on the mineral oil wagon the US could say good bye to the varroa mite for good. The best part of mineral oil is that there is no large build up of mites in the summer months, which could collapse the colony in early winter even if the apistan strips could get all the mites of in the fall. I hope we'll hear more good reports on the use of mineral oil, that will help get the chemical lovers on board. Elroy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:29:42 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Bartlett Subject: Re: mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul, From your email address you are from Oklahoma USA. Correct? I looked at the 6 hives that I have at my house. Did not open the hives because here in Southern Maryland USA it was only 52 degrees. But all 6 had bees flying and bringing in pollen, which is strange for this time of year. I too would notice that I had lost a hive or two at this time. There were at least three types of pollen coming in. I looked and could only find one ornamental cherry tree in bloom. I too have used FGMO for the first time this year. So far so good!! billy bee ---------- > From: Paul Bashore > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: mites > Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 6:52 PM > > Today I checked all 15 hives today and was very surprised to find all are > doing fine. This is the first winter since I started using only FGMO to > treat my bees for mites. I usually have 1 or 2 hives by this time that > havent made it. This is not a scientific study just my own observation. > Looks like all 15 hives will make it in very good shape with plenty of > stores left. > > > paul in okla. 15 hives and growing ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:43:22 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paul. Thank you so much for your testimonial. I sincerely hope that there are many more beekeepers who have tried MO. If not, your experience should give others an incentive (besides my results) to try MO this coming season in the search for non toxic miticides. Thanks for believing! Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:46:47 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bill. Thanks to you too, Billy. Please let me know what your observations are when you do open your hives. I wish you lots of success also. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:47:56 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Hugo Aguirre Subject: swarm traps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everyone!!!!!!! who knows about swarm traps? how are made it? Thanks, * Hugo Aguirre ===> hugoagui@sguillermo.datacop3.com.ar * ********************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:07:01 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: AW: Apis dorsata MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ******************** > Tom Culliney Hawaii Dept. of Agriculture, Division of Plant Industry, > 1428 South King St., Honolulu, HI 96814, U.S.A. > E-mail: culliney@elele.peacesat.hawaii.edu > Telephone: 808-973-9528 > FAX: 808-973-9533 > > "To a rough approximation and setting aside vertebrate chauvinism, it can > be said that essentially all organisms are insects."--R.M. May (1988) > "Bugs are not going to inherit the earth. They own it now. So we might as > well make peace with the landlord."--T. Eisner (1989) *x -x*x -x* Especially when we rationalize that most "higher" living organisms start from an ovum. Just adding a little fun. Best Regards. Dr. R. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:42:09 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Walter T. Weller" Subject: Re: Killer Bees Wimp out On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:13:55 -0800 Andy Nachbaur writes: >Sorry your are right, I should have added some states such as Texas do >have >state programs which have replaced Federal programs and can continue >from >now on if there is the will, money, and political support and there is >no >beekeepers asking any questions as to their purpose, just maybe >because of >the fear of persecution or having their bees inspected to death. The Texas beekeepers that I know seem to be in favor of the AHB trapping program, even if it is run by Aggies. The civilians (non-beekeepers) are thoroughly in favor of it. Initially, the state's swarm traps were a bright blue color. Highly visible. Then the state went to another design that was (a) less conspicuous and (b) cheaper. Immediately they started getting calls about "where are the blue boxes? What are you doing? Aren't you checking on those killer bees any more?" The state, knowing who butters its bread, immediately went back to the blue boxes and everybody seems mollified. Even Aggies can figure a few things out. Walter Weller Post Office Box 270 Wakefield, Louisiana 70784 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:21:18 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: swarm traps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hola Hugo. Las trampas para atrapar enjambres son meramente una caja que se suele colgar en algun sitio por donde uno sospecha que puede viajar un enjambre. Generalmente son del tama~no de un nucleo y se le suele poner uno o dos cuadros con panales (sin miel) y, a veces feromonas. Mientras mas elaborado sea (mas incentivos) mayor puede ser el exito en atrapar enjambres. Yo recuerdo que a poco de haber sido destinado a Puerto Rico desde USA, un enjambre se apodero de la jaula en donde se trasporto a nuestro gato. Ya te podras imaginar! Un abrazo. Pedro ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:03:32 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Hugo Aguirre Subject: spanish wintergreen = ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all !!!! who can translate "wintergreen" (Gaulteria Procumbens) to spanish? =20 =20 Thanks=09 -- Hola a todos!!!! =BFquien puede traducir al espa=F1ol "wintergreen" (Gaulteria Procumbens)? =09 Gracias, * Hugo Aguirre =3D=3D=3D> hugoagui@sguillermo.datacop3.com.ar * ********************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:53:31 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Al Needham Subject: Re: brands & logos On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:07:33 +1300 Mark Horsnell writes: >..does anyone know where i can find some good quality graphic >art on the net which is bee/honey/flower/etc related? any other hints or >past experiences also welcome. Tia: Check out P-O Gustafsson's web site for some great photos from which you could create your own stuff , if you are proficient at that sort of graphics work. http://www.kuai.se/~beeman Al ----------------------------------------------------------- <"Mailto: awneedham@juno.com" > Scituate,Massachusetts,USA The Beehive- Educational Honey Bee Site http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:39:56 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: BRIAN HENSEL Organization: Company Subject: Re: MITES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI EVERYONE!!! I just want to say that I have also had very good results with FGMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My hives have made it through this winter very very strong. My latest worry is that they will swarm before I get a chance to put on another deep hive body. Today the weather was warm in Monte Rio California, and the sun was out. My bee's were running in to each other trying to maneuver in and out of the hive. They were coming back really loaded with bright yellow pollen! I remember last year that they were weak and I thought they were going to die from varroa. This year they are very healthy and already they are building up in January! I can't thank Dr. Pedro Rodriquez enough! It has been through his guidance and devotion that has helped me to have hives very healthy, and strong coming through the winter, and building up fast in late January. I have lightened up on the application of FGMO to once a month because I feel that there is no varroa present in my hives. I have kept grease patties on 100% of the time and replace when they are gone. I have both Italian and Buckfast bee's and they are all doing exceptionally well. I will increase the application next summer so that varroa will not have a chance to get started. Dr. Pedro Rodriquez has informed us that he is going to try and come up with some options for commercial beekeepers, so that FGMO will be easier to apply. As we all know that this takes time, money and devotion. I know that Dr. Rodriquez is devoted to finding solutions for all of us beekeepers. I for one will give Dr. Rodriquez what I can afford at this time. He has given me the key to be successful at beekeeping and I only wish that I can give him what he needs to find more options for the commercial beekeepers who find that they can't apply FGMO to the extent that is required. I only hope that in time that varroa will be brought to a manageable level through out the world. DR. RODRIQUEZ CAN BE REACHED AT dronebee@norfolk.infi.net SINCERELY BRIAN HENSEL bjhensel@metro.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:24:20 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: MITES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bryan. You are a true friend. Thank you very much for the write up. That ought to make believers out of those whom still have doubts. Your friend, Pedro ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:57:39 -0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Greg Maddux Subject: Re: mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where do you find Mineral Oil, and what is a commercial name that will help me find it? -----Original Message----- From: Elroy Rogers To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 12:18 AM Subject: Re: mites >Paul Bashore wrote: >> >> Today I checked all 15 hives today and was very surprised to find all are >> doing fine. This is the first winter since I started using only FGMO to >> treat my bees for mites. I usually have 1 or 2 hives by this time that >> havent made it. This is not a scientific study just my own observation. >> Looks like all 15 hives will make it in very good shape with plenty of >> stores left. >> >> paul in okla. 15 hives and growing > >Hi Paul > Glad to hear your success with mineral oil. I am sure you spent a lot >less, I would guess $4.00 compared to $75.00 with apistan. I think if >everyone would get on the mineral oil wagon the US could say good bye to >the varroa mite for good. The best part of mineral oil is that there is >no large build up of mites in the summer months, which could collapse >the colony in early winter even if the apistan strips could get all the >mites of in the fall. > >I hope we'll hear more good reports on the use of mineral oil, that will >help get the chemical lovers on board. > >Elroy > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:04:30 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Pailleux Nicolas Subject: please help me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want my text to be send to all beekeepers who subscribe, can you help me, please ? "I'm a young beekeeper and I want to go to an english speaking country next summer. I'm french and I have 21,I would like to work with bees. Could you help me ? Do you need a worker for next summer ? I think it would be interesting for you and for me to discover how we work ! If you couldn't, could you ask people around you which might be interested ? Thanks" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:21:41 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Treatment of Tracheal Mites Comments: cc: Romanik John , Bruno Reich In-Reply-To: <34D1599B.1E5B8678@metro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Beeluvers, I don't used grease patties or menthol, the standard treatments for T-mites. I d o use a paper towel saturated with the cheapest veggie oil out there, placed between the two deep brood chambers, 1 sep and a week later. Have been doing this since the appearance of T-mites about ?ten? years ago. My results are the same as or better than those who use the standard treatment, acc/to my inquiries. IT'S ALSO CHEAPER!!! I checked six of my 12 hives yesterday, 1400-1700, when the temp hit 66 degrees (unusual here), installed four of my seven pollen traps on the strongest hives, removed apistan strips, and started the conversion to three-shallow beekeeping (versus the standard two-deep beekeeping--I find these boxes too, too heavy for a 70-year-old man!) All six of the 12 checked came thru the winter strong as usual, save one, which I promptly disbanded, giving its four frames of bees to another colony. Obviously its queen had gone bye-bye. **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:25:12 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rod Hewitt Subject: Re: mites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Any info on use rate and how its applied? Do you mix with sugar the same as with essential oils? RDH ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:02:16 +0100 Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: Re: MITES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BRIAN HENSEL wrote: > > HI EVERYONE!!! > I just want to say that I have also had very good results with > FGMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > My hives have made it through this winter very very strong. My latest worry > is that they will swarm before I get a chance to put on another deep hive > body. Today the weather was warm in Monte Rio California, and the sun was I am interested to know if anyone is using FGMO that lives in a region similar to where I am where the winters are cold and the bees don't get out of the hive for several months. I plan to start using the oil treatment this spring but wonder about it's ability to be effective on the wintering bees. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:24:45 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: QUB Subject: Honey containing pollen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII (Aaron, did you have to forward this from SYSAM to BEE-L ?) Hi all, I have quite a lot of honey which contains excess pollen to such an extent that the honey is very cloudy (I would rather sell it clear than cream it ). Normal straining cloths have little effect on clearing this stuff so before I invest in an expensive 200 um (micron) rated nylon cloth from Thornes I was wondering if anyone out there has had this experience and managed to solve it. regards Philip Earle ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:30:47 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gcbowley@AOL.COM Subject: Apis dorsata/Laborisa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit There has been some wonderful input concerning my orginal inquiry about this strain of bees. The problems with Tropilaelaps clarae and Euvarroa sinhai are definitely problems that have to be avoided at all cost along with all others. As for the management of these strains there are solutions to harnessing the potential in these bees. hopefully they will not be wiped out first. If such a threat does exist, I hope someone with resources would take an interest toward preserving this stain some how. It would be great to introduce bee strains on a large isolated island and there preserve them from pests and for future breeding purposes. This forum is an excellent place to encourage discussion but I hope contributors will be mindful not to editorially lynch open expression of ideas. One thing that I have noted from several of the response was an aire of panic, as if I was actually about to import the bees today. It felt like flame mail. I am sure that was not the intent of the writers and their insights and comments have been appreciated. I mention this to help raise awarness about how I percieved the writing to be. Someone else might take eceptional offense and proceed with ill planned actions. So lets be careful with how we respond to one another. I hope there will be more comments and insights shared about Apis dorsata / Laborisa Gene Bowley ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:50:59 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Juan Manuel Reil Subject: Re: Treatment of Tracheal Mites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sorry but It's my first time on the list. I don't know what is veggie oil. I think is eatable vegetal oil.The oil that you use to cook. It this ok? Thank you and sorry by my english. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:28:22 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry Scott Subject: Re: Mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hi, As seen with this question, I am very, very new to beekeeping. Just starting. I know what mineral oil is, but what is FGMO? Also, based on some of the comments here, it seems that FGMO is very effective against mites. Maybe better than A. strips, which is all that I knew to fight them with. How does one treat with FGMO? If this has been talked about before I joined the like, would there be the answers in the BEE-L archives? Thanks Jerry Scott jscott2@tandy.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:48:32 -0800 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Killer Bees Wimp out + an Aggie joke MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walter, Another Aggie joke. And it is true. And nothing to do with beekeeping. I was at the U of Huston for a six week mini-MBA with others from companies across the US and other countries. We were hand picked to attend. The instructors had been making Aggie jokes for the first few weeks until they asked "How many here have kids in Texas colleges" about half of us raised our hands. "How many here have childen attending the UofH?" there were none. "Uof Texas" none again..."A&M" and all the hands went up. At which one of us said, "You know there is only one true Aggie joke. What do you call an Aggie one year after they graduate?......" "Boss". I told the story to my son who graduated that year. Two months after he graduated he called and said, "Revise the time in the joke, Dad. It's two months." Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Walter T. Weller wrote: > The Texas beekeepers that I know seem to be in favor of the AHB trapping > program, even if it is run by Aggies...... > > Even Aggies can figure a few things out. > > Walter Weller ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:11:45 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Teresa Garcma Subject: Finance for research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everybody!! I=B4m reading about mite control with mineral oil, and it sure sounds=20 interesting. I=B4m sure all beekeepers could benefit from these findings, but, I=20 understand the researcher, Dr. Pedro Rodriguez, has made all of his work=20 depending only on his family budget. That is not fair, I think. Why don=B4t EACH of us BEE-Lers contribute with..say..at least $10.00 Dll= s=20 to help him out???=20 That would mean "solidarity", Don=B4t you think so? Tere Mexico ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:05:02 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: Mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------94772CCEF5980824B466595C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------94772CCEF5980824B466595C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jerry. I am the originator of the mineral oil research project. I started using mineral oil looking for an alternative to A. strips (because I thought that the mites would eventually develop resistance to flavulinate, the active ingredient in A. strips; and it has already done so!) Mineral oil is effective as corroborated by the testimony of others who are using it. You might find info about the use of mineral oil in the Bee-L archives. Just in case I am attaching my files (previously posted on bee-L for your benefit. Please let me know if you get them okay. FGMO, means food grade mineral oil. It means that it has been approved by the federal government for use in food handling operations. Best regards. 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Eran unas=20 simples cajas de carton como de 60X40cm envueltas en plastico (por si=20 las lluvias), y dentro un poco de aroma de citral (el pasto lim=F3n=20 sirve). Yo he observado que tambien funcionan muy bien las camaras de cr=EDa=20 viejitas, muy usadas, dejadas por ahi cerca del apiario, si tienen un=20 panal viejo, mejor. Las abejas silvestres y hasta los enjambres del=20 apiario entran ahi, especialmente si las colocas un poco en alto, pero=20 si son abejas africanizadas, en donde sea quedan bien. Tere ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:16:48 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Elroy Rogers Subject: Re: Mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry Scott wrote: > > Hi, > As seen with this question, I am very, very new to beekeeping. > Just starting. I know what mineral oil is, but what is FGMO? Also, > based on some of the comments here, it seems that FGMO is very effective > against mites. Maybe better than A. strips, which is all that I knew to > fight them with. How does one treat with FGMO? If this has been talked > about before I joined the like, would there be the answers in the BEE-L > archives? > > Thanks > Jerry Scott > jscott2@tandy.com Jerry Glad to hear your interest in mineral oil, FGMO = food grade mineral oil which can be bought at any food store or drug store, used for constipation. FGMO is a highly refined oil that comes from crude oil. I had posted a message on sci.agriculture.beekeeping news group explaining how I used mineral oil for treatment for mites in my own colonies. I know some beekeepers don't believe this works but they can just wasting $5.00 per colony spring and fall by treating with apistan. I would like to thank Dr. Rodriguez for his experiments with mineral oil, if he hadn't discoved the mineal oil treatment then all this post that follows wouldn't be possible. Vivian, yes mineral oil will kill your bees if too much comes in contact with them. I was applying mineral oil to the top bars of my colonies without mixing, applied in long strips on all top bars. Problem with this process is that it is very time consuming and my back was killing me. Also after appling mineral oil to colonies in my back yard on one day I then returned the next morning only to see a cluster of bees morning over their Queen, what a sorry sight. Seems the Queen walked over the top bars right after my application and got too much mineral oil on her. I thought there must be a better way too apply mineral oil. If you try to mix mineral oil with water it won't mix, mineral oil is not water soluble even tried a blender. If you use enough sugar then it mixes by shaking vigourously before spraying, I used 3 cups water 3 cups sugar and 4 to 5 oz mineral oil. You can also put in about 6 drops of wintergreen or spearmint oil if you have alot of mites, the bees prefer not using the spearmint or wintergreen oil though. I sprayed my colonies in the morning before the bees fly they will then eat the sugar water and oil right away. This is their first food source of the day so I think it is more likely it will be feed to the brood instead of storing into honey cells. Mineral oil in any amount that comes in contact with the varroa mite will kill on contact. You must spray once a week to keep ahead of the brood cycles of every 8 days. It may take about a month to see results but it will work, you also have no mite build up in the fall. I also experimented with what the bees will tolerate when beeing sprayed directly on them and brood. I found if you can get the sprayer to spray a fine mist the bees don't seem to mind being sprayed. If you mix spearmint or wintergreen in the mix they get very annoyed, I even had a virgin queen take into flight right of the comb see never returned. I did use warm water when spraying directly on the combs and bees so not to kill the brood. The type of sprayer I used was one you can buy at any garden shop it holds about 1 gallon and has a pump on the top, it will cost about twenty dollars. The small 1 pint sprayers with trigger pump will work but not as good. Which ever sprayer you use the trick is shaking before spraying, mineral oil will separate in about 1 minute after shaking. You will see the mixture turn cloudy when the oil gets mixed in. I had apiaries of 6 colonies up to 20 miles apart, I could treat them and check for the need for honey supers in about 10 minutes. This process is simple enough even for the largest commercial operator. I hope this helps Elroy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:22:36 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Pailleux Nicolas Subject: I'm looking for ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi ! I'm sorry but I can't help you in your domain. But I'm a young beekeeper and I want to go to an english speaking country next summer. I'm french and I have 21,I would like to work with bees. Could you help me ? Do you need a worker for next summer ? I think it would be interesting for you and for me to discover how we work ! If you couldn't, could you ask people around you which might be interested ? Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:34:17 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Teresa Garcma Subject: Re: spanish wintergreen = ?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugo Aguirre wrote: > > Hi all !!!! > > who can translate "wintergreen" (Gaulteria Procumbens) to spanish? > > > > Thanks > -- >Hola Hugo! Ojala alguien conteste antes y me ahorre mi viaje, pero mira. Yo voy a un campo experimental agricola el proximo miercoles a investigar acerca de Gaulteria procumbens, porque a mi tambien me interesa. Si quieres, por favor, escribeme el jueves o viernes de la proxima semana a logar@acnet.net Tere ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:21:49 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Re: NATIONAL HONEY BOARD IMHO 2 -----Original Message----- From: Walter Patton To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 1:59 PM Subject: Re: NATIONAL HONEY BOARD IMHO 2 > >Thank you LLoyd for the compliment and the response. I always like >statistic's and wonder where you got your information. I also question if >it is 47 % of the honey consumed or 47 % of honey packed by packers. At the ABF convention 2-3 weeks ago we were told that in 1996 only 47% of honey used in the US in 1996 came from domestically produced honey. Frankly, I wasn't surprised as I have the recollection the figure has been around 50% for several years. The statement was made at one of the meetings by a USDA guy, but I know the NHB is using the same figure. Suggest you contact them if you want to know the source. http://www.nhb.com. My guess is the data refer to amount of honey packed, not consumed, but I really don't know. >can't believe that more red blooded US Americans would not take up bee >keeping if the wholesale prices of honey were better. Many made strong >commitments by expanding their operations when the wholesale prices were up >last year and now the expansion has come to a halt with the lower prices Well...beekeeping is hard work, sometimes it "hurts", few today choose the life of a "farmer", as in most agricultural pursuits today, the capital investment is reasonably high, etc. > I recognize that the NHB is a real part of the beekeepers life mandated by >congress at the request of honey industry ( mostly packers) . So we can not >arbitrarily abolish the NHB and the bee keepers of America could control >the growth and direction that the NHB takes in the future if we could get >up off our collective lethargic dead behinds and make our voice heard .It >has always amazed me that beekeeping takes more courage, grit and >determination then most occupations and yet beekeepers are willing to be >like the masses in America who are like oysters sitting on the ocean floor >with their mouth wide waiting for whatever might fall in regarding >Beauracratic Intervention into their lives. This bothers me and I fear for >my children's future if these feelings of impotence expressed by the masses >by not voting, staying informed about the issues, and not challenging the >issues as they are brought forth by the Beauracrats at the urging of some >special interest groups who have learned the ease of buying influence. > I do not pretend to know the answers and I do know that the issues should >be decided by the group that the action will affect. The NHB pending action >will cost all U S honey producers of any size a penny per pound in addition >to the penny per pound that the bee keeper pays when his price is reduced >by the first handler. The money could be well spent and the US producers >should have the control always in how the program is structured. Hells >Bells we pay for it. Whoops I'm about to over look the huge contribution by >the packers for the 88,000,000 million pounds of honey that was imported >last year. And man they should not be forgotten and they do have the >control. If producers got control maybe the fee for foreign honey could be >2 or 3 pennies per pound. All these foreign countries have Value Added Tax, >Duties, and Tariffs or restrictive import regulations that make it costly >and difficult to export US honey into their country. And the advertising >dollars are important and we could spend more of the money on advertising >at home to drive up per capita consumption in AMERICA. Maybe we could make >the sources of origin statement accurately reveal the amount of US honey is >in the jar. About corporate subsides why should US taxpayers pay for >"Branded Marketing Program " which is brokered by the NHB to pay 50 % of >cost that are incurred by a company trying to enter a foreign market. >Mostly for large companies as there is a $ 10,000 minimum. I did not know there was a $10,000 minimum. Now, that makes no sense at all! How is one to "get started" with a minimum like that! Problem is that >the large packers get 50 % of there marketing efforts paid for by federal >subsidy and they sell imported honey. I hope I ' m not too far off on my >statements and if I am I can take the heat, flame away. > My fellow beekeeper Americans it is time for us all to take a stand and >collectively, like our beloved honey bees worked towards the common goals >that will reinforce and jump start the US Beekeeping Industry. We could put >some of our young and retired people to work tending to the Divine >pollinators, and keep America strong. > Some one please advise if this posting gets on Best of bee-l. >---------- >> From: Lloyd Spear >> To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU >> Subject: Re: NATIONAL HONEY BOARD IMHO >> Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 6:45 AM >> >> Walter, I think you said it very well. The only problem is the "NHB" is >all >> we have. It would certainly be better to have something else, but the >NHB >> was established by an act of congress and as a matter of reality it >exists >> and we have to work with it. In my opinion, the real problem is that the >US >> only produces 47% of the honey that is consumed. If we were producing >> 80%-90% and honey were sitting in warehouses because it couldn't be sold >it >> would be another matter. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Walter Patton >> To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU >> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 1:56 PM >> Subject: NATIONAL HONEY BOARD IMHO > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:16:04 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JRmintin Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: New Bee Card Game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit please reserve me 2 sets one for myself and one for my son . we are both novice but enthusiastic beekeepers. Your project sounds very interesting and bet will go over big. best of luck. Jerry Rothenhoefer 3051 Depot. St. Richfield. Wi 53076 414 628 3793 regards Jerry ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:13:18 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: Mites In-Reply-To: <892BD172EE61D11199BB0080D87004A709932F@ntmaile.tandy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I know what mineral oil is, but what is FGMO? Also, based on some of > the comments here, it seems that FGMO is very effective against mites. > Maybe better than A. strips, which is all that I knew to fight them > with... I'm glad you brought that up. First let me say that I respect Dr. Pedro and all the others who are working with him on FGMO and if I had varroa, I'd be experimenting with it myself, so don't misunderstand me when I say the following: FMGO is a new idea and relatively untested compared to Apistan which works most places and is a simple no-brainer for dealing with the mite. Apistan has been developed and tested very thoroughly by a large chemical company with well trained scientific staff and large budgets and also passed government screening in many countries. It works pretty well everywhere and under most conditions -- at least it has until some pockets of resistant varroa had shown up. They are exceptions and more or less localized to Europe and *possibly* Florida. The latter failure may be due to a manufacturing defect in a batch of strips. The jury is still out AFAIK. On the other hand, FGMO has been developed with very limited funds and resources in Virginia and is now being tested -- somewhat unscientifically as far as I can tell -- in several other places. FGMO use in the USA appears to correspond fairly closely to some other work in Italy with vegetable oils. There is also a very loose relationship to work with grease patties for Tracheal mite control. I personally regard FGMO as very promising and would like to see more than anecdotal reports as to its effectiveness outside Virginia. I am reasonably satisfied with Dr. Pedro's work -- but it is only one test. Good science requires that the test be repeated by independant people in other unrelated locations. The reports from users I have seen on this list are very anecdotal; we do not know exactly what the users have actually done in each case. In some, they may never have had mites in the first place, in other cases, the mites may well be prospering in the hives without yet killing them, since mention of actual tests (mite drop, brood uncapping, sticky board and Apistan, alcohol wash or other definitive measurements) of mite levels are lacking -- in most of the reports I've seen. So what I am saying is that Apistan is still the standard against which other treatments are measured in America. It is simple, cheap, and not labour intensive. It requires no knowledge of bees and the opportunity for error in application is very low. On the other hand, AFAIK, most all other treatments require more expertise and timing as well as the use of experienced labour -- so far. *** FGMO is still in development and hopefully will become a simple and proven tool. But in the meantime you are a test pilot*** Having said that, last night as I relayed the many FGMO testimonials to BoB, I thought what we really need to get FGMO better proven is a questionnaire asking questions such as -- but not limited to -- the following: What is the location? How many hives are involved? What is their history? What was the original varroa level? When did application start? How was it done? What exact product was used (brand name, etc.)? What was the schedule of application? Were some hives left untreated or any hives treated with another product? How are they doing (size, appearance, comparison to neighbours, etc.)? What tests have been made to determine mite levels in the hives? What tests have been made to determine mite levels in the controls? Was the result consistent, or were there failures in some hives? What other observations are of interest? Do the hives appear healthy and do they make normal crops of honey? Do they winter okay? What are the tracheal mite levels? This is just off the top of my head. There are likely many more important things to report. If we had answers to these questions, the testamonials would be much more meaninful and satisfying to those of us with enquiring minds and move FGMO further along towards mainstream acceptance. Dr. Pedro has been carrying the ball thus far, and he has borne the expense, both of the work, and the loss of his controls. I know we have other trained scientists here on the group. Would any one of them care/dare to help design a standard format for a 'folk science' experiment so that it can be carried out in the beeyards of those on this list this summer in a somewhat standardized fashion, and so that the results have some level of respectability? As I see it, we need to establish a standard procedure to follow and we need (electronic?) forms to fill out. We need a standard format to establish procedure & method, to make observations, and to report conclusions. If so we would make a large step forward towards establishing the efficacy of FGMO in all situations. Let's work together to make the many beeyard tests that will happen anyways this year all over America and perhaps Europe rigorous and meaningful rather than vague and anecdotal. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:57:20 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Steven Albritton Subject: Re: NATIONAL HONEY BOARD IMHO 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" More people don't get into beekeeping because of start up costs also. I am starting my 3rd year. In planning for expansion I just purchased a 12 frame Dadant extractor for approx $900. I am also trying add an additional 10 new hives. This means in addition to packages and some splits I must purchase and assemble new boxes. To add new hives, I must also add more supers to assemble. I could go on and on but the bottom line it gets expensive to expand. At 03:21 PM 1/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Walter Patton >To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU >Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 1:59 PM >Subject: Re: NATIONAL HONEY BOARD IMHO 2 > > >> >>Thank you LLoyd for the compliment and the response. I always like >>statistic's and wonder where you got your information. I also question if >>it is 47 % of the honey consumed or 47 % of honey packed by packers. > >At the ABF convention 2-3 weeks ago we were told that in 1996 only 47% of >honey used in the US in 1996 came from domestically produced honey. >Frankly, I wasn't surprised as I have the recollection the figure has been >around 50% for several years. The statement was made at one of the meetings >by a USDA guy, but I know the NHB is using the same figure. Suggest you >contact them if you want to know the source. http://www.nhb.com. My guess >is the data refer to amount of honey packed, not consumed, but I really >don't know. > >>can't believe that more red blooded US Americans would not take up bee >>keeping if the wholesale prices of honey were better. Many made strong >>commitments by expanding their operations when the wholesale prices were up >>last year and now the expansion has come to a halt with the lower prices > >Well...beekeeping is hard work, sometimes it "hurts", few today choose the >life of a "farmer", as in most agricultural pursuits today, the capital >investment is reasonably high, etc. > >> I recognize that the NHB is a real part of the beekeepers life >mandated by >>congress at the request of honey industry ( mostly packers) . So we can not >>arbitrarily abolish the NHB and the bee keepers of America could control >>the growth and direction that the NHB takes in the future if we could get >>up off our collective lethargic dead behinds and make our voice heard .It >>has always amazed me that beekeeping takes more courage, grit and >>determination then most occupations and yet beekeepers are willing to be >>like the masses in America who are like oysters sitting on the ocean floor >>with their mouth wide waiting for whatever might fall in regarding >>Beauracratic Intervention into their lives. This bothers me and I fear for >>my children's future if these feelings of impotence expressed by the masses >>by not voting, staying informed about the issues, and not challenging the >>issues as they are brought forth by the Beauracrats at the urging of some >>special interest groups who have learned the ease of buying influence. >> I do not pretend to know the answers and I do know that the issues >should >>be decided by the group that the action will affect. The NHB pending action >>will cost all U S honey producers of any size a penny per pound in addition >>to the penny per pound that the bee keeper pays when his price is reduced >>by the first handler. The money could be well spent and the US producers >>should have the control always in how the program is structured. Hells >>Bells we pay for it. Whoops I'm about to over look the huge contribution by >>the packers for the 88,000,000 million pounds of honey that was imported >>last year. And man they should not be forgotten and they do have the >>control. If producers got control maybe the fee for foreign honey could be >>2 or 3 pennies per pound. All these foreign countries have Value Added Tax, >>Duties, and Tariffs or restrictive import regulations that make it costly >>and difficult to export US honey into their country. And the advertising >>dollars are important and we could spend more of the money on advertising >>at home to drive up per capita consumption in AMERICA. Maybe we could make >>the sources of origin statement accurately reveal the amount of US honey is >>in the jar. About corporate subsides why should US taxpayers pay for >>"Branded Marketing Program " which is brokered by the NHB to pay 50 % of >>cost that are incurred by a company trying to enter a foreign market. >>Mostly for large companies as there is a $ 10,000 minimum. > >I did not know there was a $10,000 minimum. Now, that makes no sense at >all! How is one to "get started" with a minimum like that! > > Problem is that >>the large packers get 50 % of there marketing efforts paid for by federal >>subsidy and they sell imported honey. I hope I ' m not too far off on my >>statements and if I am I can take the heat, flame away. >> My fellow beekeeper Americans it is time for us all to take a stand >and >>collectively, like our beloved honey bees worked towards the common goals >>that will reinforce and jump start the US Beekeeping Industry. We could put >>some of our young and retired people to work tending to the Divine >>pollinators, and keep America strong. >> Some one please advise if this posting gets on Best of bee-l. >>---------- >>> From: Lloyd Spear >>> To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU >>> Subject: Re: NATIONAL HONEY BOARD IMHO >>> Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 6:45 AM >>> >>> Walter, I think you said it very well. The only problem is the "NHB" is >>all >>> we have. It would certainly be better to have something else, but the >>NHB >>> was established by an act of congress and as a matter of reality it >>exists >>> and we have to work with it. In my opinion, the real problem is that the >>US >>> only produces 47% of the honey that is consumed. If we were producing >>> 80%-90% and honey were sitting in warehouses because it couldn't be sold >>it >>> would be another matter. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Walter Patton >>> To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU >>> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 1:56 PM >>> Subject: NATIONAL HONEY BOARD IMHO >> > > Steven Albritton LDS Communications, Sports America, Chauvin Honey Farms Monroe, Louisiana ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:06:36 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: Apis Dorsata Hi All As regards the query as to when Varroa crossed the species barrier I think it has something to do with this: A.cerana has a weak guarding system. Hence A.mellifera tends to rob A.cerana colonies early in the morning. The bees would crawl into the hives over the bottom boards. A.cerana has very bad hive hygene, chewing combs and letting the toolings drop to the floor where they accumulate. Hence one would theorize that much of varroa infection naturally with cerana would probably be from mites crawling onto bees after dropping down into this muck. A.cerana has actually been quite badly damaged by the fact that natural hives are raided by A.mel hives. Keep well Garth --- Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 On holiday for a few months Rhodes University Which means: working with bees 15 hours a day! Interests: Fliis and bees Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post in no way reflect those of Rhodes University. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:10:14 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: African bee book Hi All I just thought I would mention a bit about a fascinating handbook on beekeeping in Botswana written by a german missionary. It shows bushmen children dressed in shorts with a can with holes in it. They light dung in the can and blow smoke into the hives they work. The hives are A.m.scutellata the AHB. They don't get stung much, and wear no gear whatsoever. So, those pictures of people wearing funny suits to deflect breath around them while working with AHB are probably a waste of time. Keep well Garth --- Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 On holiday for a few months Rhodes University Which means: working with bees 15 hours a day! Interests: Fliis and bees Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post in no way reflect those of Rhodes University. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:42:23 +0100 Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: Re: standard format MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allen Dick wrote: > Dr. Pedro has been carrying the ball thus far, and he has borne the > expense, both of the work, and the loss of his controls. I know we have > other trained scientists here on the group. Would any one of them > care/dare to help design a standard format for a 'folk science' > experiment so that it can be carried out in the beeyards of those on this > list this summer in a somewhat standardized fashion, and so that the > results have some level of respectability? As I see it, we need to > establish a standard procedure to follow and we need (electronic?) forms > to fill out. > > We need a standard format to establish procedure & method, to make > observations, and to report conclusions. If so we would make a large step > forward towards establishing the efficacy of FGMO in all situations. > > Let's work together to make the many beeyard tests that will happen > anyways this year all over America and perhaps Europe rigorous and > meaningful rather than vague and anecdotal. I think this could be a real benefit towards advancing the research on FGMO. Perhaps Dr. Pedro could share from his existing research items to a checklist or form to be included and those other scientists out there submit things that would be important from their end. I agree with Allen that a standardized form would be very helpful in establishing good reports from all who will be using MO this year. I vote yes. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:24:13 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dr Max Watkins Subject: Re: Apiguard Comments: To: Martin Braunstein In-Reply-To: <19980127235405.11401.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi Martin, When Sandoz and Ciba merged they sold the entire bee health business sectors of the two entities to our new company, Vita (Europe) Limited, in a management buy-out scenario (my colleague Jeremy Owen and I had run the bee business for Sandoz previously). As a result, Vita now owns outright the products Apistan, Apitol, Folbex and our new one, Apiguard worldwide, with the exception of Apistan in USA and Canada, where it is marketed by Wellmark International. {NB Wellmark is in effect Sandoz Agro Inc. Dallas - same premises and people, different company as Sandoz had to sell it off in the merger deal} Wellmark still manufacture Apistan for us (as Sandoz did for Sandoz SPC, UK previously) and for their own USA/Canadian market. They do not have rights to the other bee products. Vita is responsible for the bee health products in South America and we are currently selling in several countries there and at the same time reviewing some opportunities for effective distribution. The new product Apiguard is a special gel formulation based on essential oils; it's the way it it is formulated that is crucial to the success of this product. Trials show very encouraging results, especially against varroa but also against other hive pests. We are submitting for registration in many countries in 1998 and 1999; depending on the individual regulatory authority, it could be available very soon. Probably not this year, commercially. Hope this answers your query. Best regards, Max In message <19980127235405.11401.qmail@hotmail.com>, Martin Braunstein writes >Dr.Watkins, > >During Sept. '97 at the Apimondia meeting held in Antwerp, there was a >pamphlet announcing the upcoming launching of Apiguard (a new product >against varroa), the brochure didn't say much about the active >ingredient though it emphasized it was a slow release gel including a >natural product. Is it formic acid? If not what is it? When will it be >released for sale? > >In a previous message you had advised that after the worlwide merging of >Sandoz and Ciba a new company would take care of the bee products >(Vita), however I heard a company called Wellmark is marketing some >products formerly sold by Sandoz, could you please clarify the >relationship between Vita and Wellmark and which of them has >jurisdiction over South America? > >Look forward to hearing your reply. > >Regards. > > >Martn Braunstein - Malka Cabaa Apcola > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Dr Max Watkins ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:24:40 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rimantas Zujus Subject: Re: mites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2DBD.18BDC240" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2DBD.18BDC240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Bashore wrote: Today I checked all 15 hives today and was very surprised to find all are doing fine. This is the first winter since I started using only FGMO to treat my bees for mites. I usually have 1 or 2 hives by this time that havent made it. This is not a scientific study just my own observation. Looks like all 15 hives will make it in very good shape with plenty of stores left. paul in okla. 15 hives and growing Dear Paul How do you count the mites in winter season ? 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Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: Greg Maddux To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 07:49 AM Subject: Re: mites >Where do you find Mineral Oil, and what is a commercial name that will help >me find it? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elroy Rogers >To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU >Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 12:18 AM >Subject: Re: mites ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:59:14 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rimantas Zujus Subject: curiosity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2DC1.EC7A0680" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2DC1.EC7A0680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, curious bee keepers I usually use ALTAVISTA for interpreting. try it : http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? A very rapid program. In English: Hello Hugo:=20 In Mexico the government ponia traps hung of you hoist them. They were = simple cardboard boxes like of 60X40cm surrounded in plastico (in case = rains), and inside a little citral aroma (the grass lemon serves). I = have observed that also works very well camaras of young viejitas, very = used, left by ahi near the apiario, if they have an old honeycomb, = better. The wild bees and until the clusters of the apiario enter ahi, = specially if you place a little in stop, but if are africanized bees, in = where it is are well.=20 Tere=20 New Translation ------------------------------------------------------------------------ En Espa=F1ol (Original text): Hola Hugo:=20 En Mexico el gobierno ponia trampas colgadas de los arboles. Eran unas = simples cajas de carton como de 60X40cm envueltas en plastico (por si = las lluvias), y dentro un poco de aroma de citral (el pasto lim=F3n = sirve). Yo he observado que tambien funcionan muy bien las camaras de = cr=EDa viejitas, muy usadas, dejadas por ahi cerca del apiario, si = tienen un panal viejo, mejor. Las abejas silvestres y hasta los = enjambres del apiario entran ahi, especialmente si las colocas un poco = en alto, pero si son abejas africanizadas, en donde sea quedan bien.=20 Tere=20 New Translation Help | Feedback | About=20 http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? ---------- From: Teresa Garcma Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 6:20 PM To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Re: swarm traps Hola Hugo: En Mexico el gobierno ponia trampas colgadas de los arboles. Eran unas=20 simples cajas de carton como de 60X40cm envueltas en plastico (por si=20 las lluvias), y dentro un poco de aroma de citral (el pasto lim=F3n=20 sirve). Yo he observado que tambien funcionan muy bien las camaras de cr=EDa=20 viejitas, muy usadas, dejadas por ahi cerca del apiario, si tienen un=20 panal viejo, mejor. Las abejas silvestres y hasta los enjambres del=20 apiario entran ahi, especialmente si las colocas un poco en alto, pero=20 si son abejas africanizadas, en donde sea quedan bien. 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We feed cattle and have buckets and troughs with meal in them and the bees on warm days go crazy collecting the dust. Should I try and keep exposed CSM hidden or cleaned up. I remember that CSM has gossipol in it, is this toxic to bees? Thanks in advance. Brett D. Bannon Folsom, NM USA bbannon@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:19:01 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: curiosity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rimantas Zujus wrote: > Hi, curious bee keepers > > I usually use ALTAVISTA for interpreting. > try it : > http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? > > A very rapid program. > > In English: Hello Hugo: > > In Mexico the government ponia traps hung of you hoist them. They were simple cardboard boxes like of 60X40cm surrounded in plastico (in case rains), and inside a little citral aroma (the grass lemon serves). I have observed that also works very well camaras of young viejitas, very used, left by ahi near the apiario, if they have an old honeycomb, better. The wild bees and until the clusters of the apiario enter ahi, specially if you place a little in stop, but if are africanized bees, in where it is are well. > > Hi All. I am awfully sorry to disagree but, if the above is an example of what this translation service is capable of producing, I would not want my Spanish messages translated. Even more so if such messages conveyed any of my work.Sincerely. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:34:24 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Thomas D. Harker" Subject: Re: curiosity In-Reply-To: <34D235B5.ED262EA2@norfolk.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:19 PM 1/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >Rimantas Zujus wrote: > >> Hi, curious bee keepers >> >> I usually use ALTAVISTA for interpreting. >> try it : >> http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? >> >> A very rapid program. >> >> In English: Hello Hugo: >> >> In Mexico the government ponia traps hung of you hoist them. They were simple cardboard boxes like of 60X40cm surrounded in plastico (in case rains), and inside a little citral aroma (the grass lemon serves). I have observed that also works very well camaras of young viejitas, very used, left by ahi near the apiario, if they have an old honeycomb, better. The wild bees and until the clusters of the apiario enter ahi, specially if you place a little in stop, but if are africanized bees, in where it is are well. >> >> Hi All. > > I am awfully sorry to disagree but, if the above is an example of what this translation service is capable of producing, I would not want my Spanish messages translated. Even more so if such messages conveyed any of my work.Sincerely. >Dr. Rodriguez >Virginia Beach, VA. > Am I the only one who believes that messages on the BEE-L should be posted in English? IMHO If you like to respond in Spanish or other non-English languages, then perhaps you should respond privately in EMAIL. Otherwise, those of us who value your comments must resort to some sort of translation. :-) Thanks, Tom in Rockford, IL and using FMGO on my two hives. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:41:57 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: standard format MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to all: I am very much in support of establishing a standardized testing procedure. As I have stated previously, I am praying for other investigators to join in a concerted effort to formalize FGMO use as a miticide. I think that my previous reports and recent testimonials (albeit anecdotal) warrant spending research funds in such studies. I have reviewed Allen's list of desired items to be included in such format. I don't see any of them lacking in my research. I definitely, will welcome any suggestion from any one interested and most definitely would welcome the opportunity to work with others in achieving a common goal. Honey bees stand to gain from an organized, concerted effort on this endeavor. Please let me know how I may participate. Best regards. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:53:42 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: curiosity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Tom and others: I made an error (pressed the wrong address botton) and sent a message in Spanish to the list. I apologized immediately to the list as the message was sent to the list by error. I do think that it would be impolite to send an other than English language message to the list when I know that this is mainly an English speaking forum. My reason for writting that message in Spanish was a courtesy to the addresse (he had asked for assistance in translation). Again, I apologize for the inconvenience that I may have caused to the list. Best regards. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:32:34 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Maddux wrote: > Where do you find Mineral Oil, and what is a commercial name that will help > me find it? > Hello to all: In reply to your question, the following sources of FGMO in bulk are provided. Amoco and Marathon Lubricants: phone: 800-589-8065 Fax = 419-422-3641 web page: http://www.amoco.com/lubes person to contact: Steve Ware - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- -another Oil Company------------ - - - - - - - Karns City, PA Farmington Hills, MI 1-800-245-3952 248-474-7878 person to contact: Tom Rozic person to contact: Don Johnson I will keep the list posted as new sources turn up. Best regards. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:42:34 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980129175241.007a5c00@oklahoma.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:52 PM 1/29/98 -0600, you wrote: Paul from OK said: >Today I checked all 15 hives today and was very surprised to find all are >doing fine. This is the first winter since I started using only FGMO to >treat my bees for mites. I usually have 1 or 2 hives by this time that >havent made it. This is not a scientific study just my own observation. >Looks like all 15 hives will make it in very good shape with plenty of >stores left. Sounds like you are having a good winter in your area. BTW, what are your observations on the environmental conditions this winter compared to others? Here in Central California away from the left coast we are having our old time wet, foggy green season, but it has been about 10 degrees above normal. Its a little early to say how the bees are going to turn out but I have not heard of any large scale losses. Since it is mostly not cold enough the bees do not cluster as tight as other places, or other colder years, and they do look stronger at first glance then when they are clustered. Few flowers are out yet in the valley but most all hives do have some patches of brood. Almond buds are showing some growth activity. The south coast and central coast areas that do not have the winter fogs and are normally a month ahead of the valley are reporting good conditions with both commercial and hobby beekeepers finding the need to add extra brood supers earlier then normal. Many southern California beekeepers winter their better hives in the valley and only take their din's or weak hives to southern California. In many years by almond bloom these hives will be in better shape then the one's wintered in the valley having time to brood up and increase their populations. They also will be the first one's to swarm in the almonds, or if the weather goes bad will be the first one's to need feeding to survive. By the end of the almond bloom all the bees will be the same until the next flow. ttul, the OLd Drone * Yes Officer, you pulled me over because you want my bee what? California legislature has considered laws forcing beekeepers to carry bee ID papers. One county does require bee trucks to be identified with signs. The California Highway Petrol would like all bee trucks netted. All of the above have been prevented by political action by beekeepers. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:04:40 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Teresa Garcma Subject: Re: Asian Honey Bees (was A. dorsata/laboriosa...) and varroa MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I don=B4t have the exact reference, but I read that Apis mellifera was=20 imported into Japan in the 1950=B4s or 60=B4s (I think); these bees were=20 infested by sharing flowers with Apis cerana, robbing, etc.=20 Both species even have similar ferhomones, so even mating is possible=20 between them, only that it=B4s an infertile mating. Varroasis scape diagnosis for a time, and Apis mellifera bees were=20 exported from Japan, altogether with Varroa mite, and since then it=B4s=20 been spreading all over the world. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:54:40 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tom Speight Subject: Re: Mites Comments: cc: Bestofbee@systronix.net In-Reply-To: <19264762930043@systronix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <19264762930043@systronix.net>, Excerpts from BEE-L writes >> I know what mineral oil is, but what is FGMO? Also, based on some of >> the comments here, it seems that FGMO is very effective against mites. >> Maybe better than A. strips, which is all that I knew to fight them >> with... > >I'm glad you brought that up. Rest of long reply cut. But in answer to your your query, FGMO is Food Grade Mineral Oil -- Tom ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:31:20 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Teresa Garcma Subject: swarm traps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20 I=B4m sorry I used spanish about swarm traps. It won=B4t happen again. I=20 said that the mexican government used carboard boxes hung on trees,=20 they were covered with plastic, like the one used in plastic bags. The=20 boxes were about 60X40 cm (Don=B4t know in inches, about 2x1 ft, maybe a=20 little bigger?)with a little hole in one side. They put citral (lemon=20 grass is ok) to improve the trap. I observed that swarms like to get into very old hives, better if they=20 have a comb inside, and even better if they are a little up the ground,=20 but africanized bees aren=B4t very selective. Tere ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:38:52 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tim Channell Subject: Re: CSM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cotton is one of the most pesticide-intensive crops grow in the U.S. Many of these inorganics accumulate in cotton seed. Some organic farming standards recommend that you not use the meal as a soil amendment because of this pesticide accumulation. I would suspect that if there is anything to this standard it means that the meal is not exactly safe for any type of consumption. The logic would therefore seem that it is not necessarily safe for bee consumption. It could also introduce inorganics into your honey flow. I have never seem any research that confirms this position so cannot say for a fact that this would happen. Personally, I would not use CSM unless it was grown by an certified organic farm. Short of this I would keep it hidden (as you know though those bees are pretty crafty little gals in finding pollen and nectar so I suspect you would have to hide it inside a closed building to avoid them finding it - although they might still find it). Good luck! Tim ------------------------------ At 12:31 PM 1/30/98 -0700, you wrote: >Can Cotton Seed Meal cause problems for my bees? We feed cattle and have >buckets and troughs with meal in them and the bees on warm days go crazy >collecting the dust. Should I try and keep exposed CSM hidden or cleaned >up. I remember that CSM has gossipol in it, is this toxic to bees? >Thanks in advance. > > >Brett D. Bannon >Folsom, NM USA >bbannon@juno.com > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:49:18 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <34C407CF.359C@starpoint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi Paul > Glad to hear your success with mineral oil. I am sure you spent a lot >less, I would guess $4.00 compared to $75.00 with apistan. I think if >everyone would get on the mineral oil wagon the US could say good bye to >the varroa mite for good. The best part of mineral oil is that there is >no large build up of mites in the summer months, which could collapse >the colony in early winter even if the apistan strips could get all the >mites of in the fall. > >I hope we'll hear more good reports on the use of mineral oil, that will >help get the chemical lovers on board. > >Elroy > Well Elroy I like to keep my honey as free of chemicals as possiable as most beekeepers do. Granted mineral oil is a chemical but far less to cause long term problems then year after year of useing apistan. Not only is Dr. Rodriguez discovery of mineral oil treatment for mites very cost effective it is faster to treat the hives with it then the apistan was. Thanks for your reply Paul in Okla. 15 hivs and growing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:59:46 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <199801300022.TAA25165@eaglenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:29 PM 1/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Paul, > >>From your email address you are from Oklahoma USA. Correct? >I looked at the 6 hives that I have at my house. Did not open the hives >because here in Southern Maryland USA it was only 52 degrees. But all 6 >had bees flying and bringing in pollen, which is strange for this time of >year. I too would notice that I had lost a hive or two at this time. >There were at least three types of pollen coming in. I looked and could >only find one ornamental cherry tree in bloom. > >I too have used FGMO for the first time this year. So far so good!! > >billy bee > Hi Bill, Yes i'm 6 miles due East of OKC. We have been in the 60's alot lately so the bees are really starting to collect pollen. Hope you have as good of results with the mineral oil treatment. Keep us posted. Thanks for the responce. paul in okla. 15 hives and growing ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:52:21 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Walter T. Weller" Subject: Re: swarm traps Hugo, you might look in the catalog of the Brushy Mountain Bee Company for drawings and descriptions of a couple of different sorts of swarn traps. Basically, they are simply containers of some kind having a volume about that of a standard brood box, with an entry hole. You hang them in or on a tree, usually. Some say they work better with a pheromone lure inside. On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:47:56 -0300 Hugo Aguirre writes: >Hi everyone!!!!!!! > > who knows about swarm traps? > > how are made it? > > Thanks, > >* Hugo Aguirre ===> hugoagui@sguillermo.datacop3.com.ar * > >********************************************************************* > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:12:55 -0700 Reply-To: edwards@tucson.ars.ag.gov Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "J.Edwards" Organization: poor,at best - why ? Subject: Re: swarm traps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugo Aguirre wrote: > > Hi everyone!!!!!!! > > who knows about swarm traps? > > how are made it? > > Thanks, > > * Hugo Aguirre ===> hugoagui@sguillermo.datacop3.com.ar * > ********************************************************************* Dr Justin Schmidt, of the USDA-ARS LAB in Tucson, Arizona both knows and has made several designs of swarm traps. They are made in Oregon, of wood pulp, over a form in the size of an office waste paper basket, and will last 2-5 years outside. He also developed the pheromone lure. - telephone 602-670-6380, extension 109 - address is Justin Schmidt, 2000 E. Allen Road, Tucson, AZ 85719 - - John Edwards, Tucson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:29:02 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <01bd2cf0$273e2800$3694b0c7@gmaddux.ptway.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I get my food grade mineral oil at the local grocery store. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:26:51 -0700 Reply-To: edwards@tucson.ars.ag.gov Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "J.Edwards" Organization: poor,at best - why ? Subject: Re: curiosity Comments: To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit \Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez wrote: > > Dear Tom and others: > I made an error (pressed the wrong address botton) and sent a message in > Spanish to the list. I apologized immediately to the list as the message was > sent to the list by error. I do think that it would be impolite to send an other > than English language message to the list when I know that this is mainly an > English speaking forum. My reason for writting that message in Spanish was a > courtesy to the addresse (he had asked for assistance in translation). > Again, I apologize for the inconvenience that I may have caused to the list. > Best regards. > Dr. Rodriguez > Virginia Beach, VA Please, don't apologize for reminding us that the USA especially is not as bilingual as we should be. It was not impolite. The learning will stretch us all. John Edwards, Tucson Bee Lab ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:47:36 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <5707d889.34d1d4ba@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:25 AM 1/30/98 EST, you wrote: >Any info on use rate and how its applied? Do you mix with sugar the same as >with essential oils? > >RDH > I apply it two ways. Soak a roll of blue shop towles (the kind you can get in every Wall Mart automotive area) in FGMO then lay a sheet between the brood chambers and then lay one on the top brood chamber. I use the blue shop towels because they take alot longer for the bees to remove them. The second way I apply it is to staple a piece of thick cloth on the landing board like an old towel about 2 inches wide so it extends into the hive about an inch, then use a plastic honey bear filled with FGMO and saturate the cloth. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:50:53 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Spanish In-Reply-To: <34D23DD6.631B4A37@norfolk.infi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I made an error (pressed the wrong address botton) and sent a > message in Spanish to the list. I apologized immediately to the list > as the message was sent to the list by error. I do think that it would > be impolite to send an other than English language message to the list > when I know that this is mainly an English speaking forum... FWIW, I think most of us would rather have some posts in languages other than English than lose valuable members -- or ideas. Often there are barriers to knowledge that are caused by geography or language and maybe the answers to questions that bother us are freely available elsewhere. I wonder what the Chinese know about varroa that we don't? Sure there may be a few who gripe when they realise that they can't understand a post, but no matter what a person does, someone is going to object -- and frankly I have made posts in plain carefully chosen English that have been well misunderstood ;) Personally I found the Spanish exchange fresh and interesting, and, as another list member suggested, I went to the translator on the web for a better interpretation than my weak Spanish could supply. It is always amusing to see what that translating machine thinks about technical words. I have a link on the RossRounds.com pages to the same translator and it makes a mangled mess of the trade name, but I think that people who really want to know about Ross Rounds (tm) and don't speak English will find it useful. I notice that Europeans are used to having to try to communicate in a melange of languages and I appreciate the fact that we have many non-English members from around the world here patiently puzzling their way through our messages. I hope it is worth it. I know it is hard to write in English sometimes and I fervently hope that if these members feel they have something important to say that they will feel assured enough to write in their native language to BEE-L. We'll try to figure it out and, after all, there is a delete button on every computer if we find it too challenging. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:15:07 -0600 Reply-To: gmc@vci.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: beeman Subject: Re: Honey containing pollen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all! i had the same problem with my honey crop last year, but a man called about buying honey and i told all i had was cloudy honey he came over and said it was pollenated honey and bought 12 cases at a higher price, people have been calling wanting it again... QUB wrote: > (Aaron, did you have to forward this from SYSAM to BEE-L ?) > > Hi all, > > I have quite a lot of honey which contains excess pollen to > such an extent that the honey is very cloudy (I would rather > sell it clear than cream it ). Normal straining cloths have > little effect on clearing this stuff so before I invest in > an expensive 200 um (micron) rated nylon cloth from Thornes > I was wondering if anyone out there has had this experience > and managed to solve it. > > regards > Philip Earle ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:22:31 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tim Channell Subject: languages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the unique things I have observed about beekeepers is not only their (our) uniqueness, but perhaps more importantly their (our) diversity. They come in all shapes, colors, political persuasions, economic groups, nationalities, and yes they (we) speak many different languages. =20 With the almost instant language translation capability (http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate?) that the internet gives us we should celebrate this cultural diversity on our beekeeping listserver by welcoming email in any language. The important thing is that we keep talking to each other - in whatever language necessary. =20 Tim Channell 6 urban hives El Paso, Texas USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Una de las cosas =FAnicas que he observado sobre apicultores es no solamente su (nuestra) unicidad, pero quiz=E1s m=E1s importantement= e su (nuestra) diversidad. Vienen en toda la dimensi=F3n de una variable= , colores, persuasiones pol=EDticas, grupos econ=F3micos, nacionalidades, y (nosotros) hablan s=ED muchos diversos lenguajes.=20 Con la capacidad casi inmediata de la traducci=F3n del lenguaje lenguaje (http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate?) que el Internet nos nos da debe celebrar esta diversidad cultural en nuestro listserver de la apicultura por el email el dar la bienvenida en cualquier lenguaje. La cosa importante es que nosotros guarda el hablar el uno al otro - en cualquier lenguaje necesario. EL urbano Paso, Tejas los E.E.U.U. de las colmenas de Tim Channell 6=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Un des seules choses que j'ai observ=E9es au sujet des apiculteurs est non seulement leur (notre) unicit=E9, mais peut-=EAtre d'une mani=E8re primordiale leur (notre) diversit=E9. Elles viennent dans toute la forme, couleurs, persuasions politiques, groupes =E9conomiques, nationalit=E9s, et oui elles (nous) parlent beaucoup de diff=E9rents langages.=20 Avec la capacit=E9 presque instantan=E9e de traduction de langage langage (http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate?) que l'Internet nous nous donne devrait c=E9l=E9brer cette diversit=E9 culture= lle sur notre listserver de l'apiculture par l'email d'accueil en n'importe quel langage. La chose importante est que nous continuent =E0 parler entre eux - en quelque langage n=E9cessaire.=20 Tim Channell 6 ruches urbaines El Paso, le Texas Etats-Unis=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- Eine der eindeutigen Sachen, die ich =FCber Beekeepers beobachtet habe, ist nicht nur ihre (unsere) Einzigartigkeit, aber m=F6glicherweise wichtiger ihre (unsere) Verschiedenartigkeit. Sie kommen in alle Form, Farben, politische =DCberzeugungen, =F6konomische Gruppen, Nationalit=E4ten,= und ja sprechen sie (wir) viele unterschiedliche Sprachen.=20 Mit der fast sofortigen Sprachumsetzungsf=E4higkeit Mit der fast sofortigen Sprachumsetzungsf=E4higkeit (http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate?) da=DF das Internet uns uns gibt, sollten diese kulturelle Verschiedenartigkeit auf unserem Beekeepinglistserver durch Begr=FC=DFenemail in jeder m=F6glicher Sprache feiern. Die wichtige Sache ist da=DF wir halten, miteinander zu sprechen - in was Sprache notwendig.=20 Tim Channell 6 st=E4dtische Bienenst=F6cke El-Paso, Texas= USA Tim Channell 6 st=E4dtische Bienenst=F6cke El-Paso, Texas= USA ------------------------------------------------------------=20 Una delle cose che uniche ho osservato circa i beekeepers =E8 forse pi=F9 d'importanza non soltanto la loro (nostra) unicit=E0, ma la loro (nostra) diversit=E0. Vengono in tutta la figura, colori, le persuasioni politiche, gruppi economici, nazionalit=E0 e s=EC (noi) parlano molte lingue= differenti.=20 Con la possibilit=E0 quasi istante di traduzione di= lingua Con la possibilit=E0 quasi istante di traduzione di= lingua (http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate?) che il Internet ce li d=E0 dovrebbe celebrare questa diversit=E0 culturale sul nostr= o listserver di beekeeping dal email dare il benvenuto in tutta la lingua. La cosa importante =E8 che noi continua a comunicare l'un l'altro - in che cosa lingua necessaria.=20 Tim Channell 6 alveari urbani El Paso, il Texas S.U.A.=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:51:18 -0500 Reply-To: dverville@worldnet.att.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Verville Subject: Re: mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What happens when it rain? Doesn't the water get absorbed into the towel and displace the oil? Super Dave ---------- : From: Paul Bashore : To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU : Subject: Re: mites : Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 6:47 PM : : At 08:25 AM 1/30/98 EST, you wrote: : >Any info on use rate and how its applied? Do you mix with sugar the same as : >with essential oils? : > : >RDH : > : : I apply it two ways. Soak a roll of blue shop towles (the kind you can get : in every Wall Mart automotive area) in FGMO then lay a sheet between the : brood chambers and then lay one on the top brood chamber. I use the blue : shop towels because they take alot longer for the bees to remove them. : : The second way I apply it is to staple a piece of thick cloth on the : landing board like an old towel about 2 inches wide so it extends into the : hive about an inch, then use a plastic honey bear filled with FGMO and : saturate the cloth.