========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:16:11 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Alyn W. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Mites Comments: cc: Bestofbee@systronix.net In-Reply-To: <19264762930043@systronix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <19264762930043@systronix.net>, Excerpts from BEE-L writes >We need a standard format to establish procedure & method, to make >observations, and to report conclusions. If so we would make a large step >forward towards establishing the efficacy of FGMO in all situations. > >Let's work together to make the many beeyard tests that will happen >anyways this year all over America and perhaps Europe rigorous and >meaningful rather than vague and anecdotal. > I, for one, would be more than willing to do report my findings this year, Here in Liverpool, England, we are a small, unaffected (so far) pocket, and it seems certain that we will feel the first effects of Varroa this season, so it seems an ideal time to start. An "approved method of application" (although I realize that It's my own responsibility) would be greatly appreciated. It's also worth noting that as our local Beekeepers' branch is going to use Apistan this year, I will be able to provide some comparison info. -- Alyn W. Ashworth Lancashire & North-West Bee-Keepers' Association. UK. (but I don't speak on their bee-half) http://www.emph.com/beehome ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:04:24 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Walton Subject: Re: James Riley In-Reply-To: <01BD2C33.D31588C0.rileyjb@ma.ultranet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In article <01BD2C33.D31588C0.rileyjb@ma.ultranet.com>, "James B. Riley" writes > > I have been asked if I know how to get in touch with James Riley, who > apprently did some research recently on tracking bees in the UK. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > I was recently asked that question too. The person you are looking for is actually Dr. Joe Riley who used harmonic radar to track flying bees at the Institute of Arable Crops Reseach (IACR) station at Rothamsted. The article, written by Norman L. Carreck, appeared in "Bee Biz" issue 3 (May 1996) on page 28. I have offered to fax a copy of this article to the person who asked me this question but, to date, he has not supplied me with a fax number. -- Paul Walton Email : Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Bedfordshire. England ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:32:20 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Urs Schaufelbuehl Subject: Talcum powder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Upon returning from a Christmas trip to England, a member of the Comox Valley Beekeepers Association reported of an article read in a (national) newspaper that the three accepted treatments for Varroa mites are considered to be: Apistan, fourmic acid and talcum powder. Unfortunately he was not able to gather any information on the talcum powder treatment. Do any BEE-Lers, especially in the UK know anything about this or is it just a red herring? have a BEEutiful day ;-) Urs Schaufelbuehl urschau@mars.ark.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:09:28 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Darrells Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <01bd2cf0$273e2800$3694b0c7@gmaddux.ptway.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here in Caledon Ontario( 80W44N), I have had Varroa for three years. The slicers found a small sample of HBTM last fall. I missed your discussion on mineral oil. Please discuss the timing and methods used as well as the type of oil. Our Provincial Apiculture people recommend Apistan in the fall and Formic Acid in the spring. So far my hives are strong but would like to know more about alternatives. Today's weather was fair, with the day-time temperature at +2C (36F), and plenty of bees flying. Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:18:49 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John M Thorp Subject: Re: spanish wintergreen = ?? On 60 minutes last December they said that the conservative estimate is that by the year 2050 at least 50% of the north Americans would be Spanish speaking. Remember the Alamo,speak Spanish,this is the U.S.A.,heh-heh. So far I've taken 4 Spanish courses to prepare myself but doubt if I'll make it to 2050. Even worked with several Spanisj beekeepers in the past. Don't forget to invest in a box of honey-nut cherrios. Every little bit helps. Take Care and GBY-John in Homestead- -also at Jesus Christ Is The Only Answer,Joshua24:15 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:36:36 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Bonney Subject: Anyone there? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have not had a message from Bee-L for well over 24 hours. That's unusual. Is the system having problems again or is everyone taking the weekend off? Dick Bonney rebonney@javanet.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:28:23 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Lidia Gaivironsky Subject: Re: spanish wintergreen = ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Estimado Hugo Aguirre: No he podido encontrar el nombre comun de Gaultheria procumbens. La unica informacion que halle indica que pertenece a la familia botanica de las Ericaceas (de las Azaleas y Rhododendron) y que de ella se obtiene un aceite esencial utilizado en perfumeria y medicina. No tengo noticia de que se cultive en Argentina. Hasta pronto = =20 Lidia Gaivironsky To Hugo Aguirre: I can't find the Gaultheria procumbens common name in Spanish. I only know is the botany Ericaceae Family and it has an essential oil who is used en perfumery and medicine. I don't know if it is grown in Argentine. Best= regards. At 11:03 PM 1/29/98 -0300, you wrote: >Hi all !!!! >> who can translate "wintergreen" (Gaulteria Procumbens) to spanish? > =20 > Thanks=09 > -- >Hola a todos!!!! > > =BFquien puede traducir al espa=F1ol "wintergreen" (Gaulteria= Procumbens)? > =09 > Gracias, > > >* Hugo Aguirre =3D=3D=3D> hugoagui@sguillermo.datacop3.com.ar * > ********************************************************************* > > Ing. Agr. Lidia Gaivironsky Buenos Aires - Republica Argentina e.mail: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:58:12 -0800 Reply-To: gclewis@penn.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Gary C. Lewis" Subject: old eguipment. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have frames and hive bodies that have not held bees in a few years do to a move. I use a propane tourch to burn the inside of the hive bodies and scrap the frames to remove old wax and whatever else might be sticking to them. I have a few months before my bees get here and was wondering if soaking or washing the frames with Chlorine bleach would be safe. I would then put the frames outside to dry. I would think that the smell of the bleach would be gone after a few weeks if not days. What more do I need to do to insure that there is nothing alive in this old stuff so I can use it this spring? I have new frames but would like to re-use the old ones as I have 100 or more. SEYA...G.. Gary C. Lewis Duke Center, Pa. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:39:10 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Steve Newcomb Subject: Re: Mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An excellent idea Allen. I would rather use FGMO than a chemical, IF it works. A standardized form, maybe in spreadsheet format, with instructions as to how to accurately measure, perform the testing, and report the results, would go a long way towards verifying Dr. R's work. Testing and reporting would have to be done by beekeepers, because there would be no profit available to interest univerisities or private businesses. I, for one, would be willing to follow a procedure and report the results. Steve Northern Ohio -----Original Message----- From: Allen Dick To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Mites > I know what mineral oil is, but what is FGMO? Also, based on some of > the comments here, it seems that FGMO is very effective against mites. > Maybe better than A. strips, which is all that I knew to fight them > with... I'm glad you brought that up. First let me say that I respect Dr. Pedro and all the others who are working with him on FGMO and if I had varroa, I'd be experimenting with it myself, so don't misunderstand me when I say the following: FMGO is a new idea and relatively untested compared to Apistan which works most places and is a simple no-brainer for dealing with the mite. Apistan has been developed and tested very thoroughly by a large chemical company with well trained scientific staff and large budgets and also passed government screening in many countries. It works pretty well everywhere and under most conditions -- at least it has until some pockets of resistant varroa had shown up. They are exceptions and more or less localized to Europe and *possibly* Florida. The latter failure may be due to a manufacturing defect in a batch of strips. The jury is still out AFAIK. On the other hand, FGMO has been developed with very limited funds and resources in Virginia and is now being tested -- somewhat unscientifically as far as I can tell -- in several other places. FGMO use in the USA appears to correspond fairly closely to some other work in Italy with vegetable oils. There is also a very loose relationship to work with grease patties for Tracheal mite control. I personally regard FGMO as very promising and would like to see more than anecdotal reports as to its effectiveness outside Virginia. I am reasonably satisfied with Dr. Pedro's work -- but it is only one test. Good science requires that the test be repeated by independant people in other unrelated locations. The reports from users I have seen on this list are very anecdotal; we do not know exactly what the users have actually done in each case. In some, they may never have had mites in the first place, in other cases, the mites may well be prospering in the hives without yet killing them, since mention of actual tests (mite drop, brood uncapping, sticky board and Apistan, alcohol wash or other definitive measurements) of mite levels are lacking -- in most of the reports I've seen. So what I am saying is that Apistan is still the standard against which other treatments are measured in America. It is simple, cheap, and not labour intensive. It requires no knowledge of bees and the opportunity for error in application is very low. On the other hand, AFAIK, most all other treatments require more expertise and timing as well as the use of experienced labour -- so far. *** FGMO is still in development and hopefully will become a simple and proven tool. But in the meantime you are a test pilot*** Having said that, last night as I relayed the many FGMO testimonials to BoB, I thought what we really need to get FGMO better proven is a questionnaire asking questions such as -- but not limited to -- the following: What is the location? How many hives are involved? What is their history? What was the original varroa level? When did application start? How was it done? What exact product was used (brand name, etc.)? What was the schedule of application? Were some hives left untreated or any hives treated with another product? How are they doing (size, appearance, comparison to neighbours, etc.)? What tests have been made to determine mite levels in the hives? What tests have been made to determine mite levels in the controls? Was the result consistent, or were there failures in some hives? What other observations are of interest? Do the hives appear healthy and do they make normal crops of honey? Do they winter okay? What are the tracheal mite levels? This is just off the top of my head. There are likely many more important things to report. If we had answers to these questions, the testamonials would be much more meaninful and satisfying to those of us with enquiring minds and move FGMO further along towards mainstream acceptance. Dr. Pedro has been carrying the ball thus far, and he has borne the expense, both of the work, and the loss of his controls. I know we have other trained scientists here on the group. Would any one of them care/dare to help design a standard format for a 'folk science' experiment so that it can be carried out in the beeyards of those on this list this summer in a somewhat standardized fashion, and so that the results have some level of respectability? As I see it, we need to establish a standard procedure to follow and we need (electronic?) forms to fill out. We need a standard format to establish procedure & method, to make observations, and to report conclusions. If so we would make a large step forward towards establishing the efficacy of FGMO in all situations. Let's work together to make the many beeyard tests that will happen anyways this year all over America and perhaps Europe rigorous and meaningful rather than vague and anecdotal. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:29:46 -0800 Reply-To: gclewis@penn.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Gary C. Lewis" Subject: Where is the mail? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Bee-folk, Where is everyone? No Bee-L mail in here in about 3 days. Warm temps and sunny today going to look at the bees and see what shape things are in. SEYA...G... Gary C. Lewis Duke Center, Pa. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:52:33 -0600 Reply-To: BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ken Lawrence Subject: Extractor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I have a 4 frame electric tangential extractor for sale. (Little Wonder Power) The extractor I think is new (no dents or scratches) but the electric drive shows some use. 250.00 firm. I live about 25 miles north of Kansas City MO. In a town called Trimble. Ken Lawrence beeman52@worldnet.att.net Trimble, Mo 64492 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:06:05 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: swarm traps Hi All I have been enjoying this thread. In south africa, many people trap swarms. I myself have a few trapping sites, the best of which, using one bait box collected nine swarms over a three week period which was the peak swarming season. (This site was directly above my solar wax extractor which I placed in a crook in a wall facing the rising sun) There are two common trapping techniques employed in south africa. One is to use specially made boxes and place them in suitable spots where bees will naturally scout. (eg on cliff faces, on sun facing walls of buildings etc). These boxes are made to hold between four to five frames and should have an internal volume of 50 litres (about ten gallons of some sort I think) if one wishes to trap european bees. (I think the reference for that volume is in Honeybees and Wax, HR Hepburn) For african bees the volume is less important, but in hot weather the trap must not exceed an internal temperature that will melt wax. The inside of the box should be smeared with melted wax and propolis. I have found the gunk left over after cleaing wax up is fine. (In this regard the plastic ammo crates used by some armies, as well as the old M16 and South African R1 rifle ammo boxes are the exact right size to take 4 frames) Alternatively, one can rotate all old colonies into new boxes, and use old boxes as bait hives. This works exceptionally well. There is a commercial beekeeper to the north of me in Durban who routinely moves in a thousand old boxes into metropolitan durban where he nets a full catch of swarms by the end of the season. Apparently in Bulawayo in Zimbabwe beekeepers there have charted routes through the city where bees move each year, and know the best places to place catch boxes. In the Natal region many beekeepers have built special attachments to pu on their land rovers/range roves to allow them to move through saligna (type of eucalypt) groves and check/remove full catch boxes nailed on racks up in the trees. In my area, a number of people place catch boxes at sights where bee removals have been done. Every spring this stops the owners of houses saying 'my bees are back in my wall/airbrick/ceiling/rainwatertanck/potplant etc. In my experience it is not as much the wax that attracts bees to a site as it is propolis. Hope this is of help Garth --- Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 On holiday for a few months Rhodes University Which means: working with bees 15 hours a day! Interests: Fliis and bees Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post in no way reflect those of Rhodes University. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:28:44 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Brenda Wishin Subject: Wallpaper search MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I searched Bee-L for wallpaper, but didn't find the person who mentioned they had "bee" wallpaper. I'm fixing up the kitchen and would like to know where to find some, Thanks in advance. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:08:14 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eugene Makovec Subject: Re: brands & logos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I, too, would be interested in locating such artwork. BTW, I am in the label business, and as a hobbyist beekeeper I make my own labels. I would be happy to send you samples if you are interested in such. I can provide them at reasonable prices. Eugene Makovec Kirkwood, MO EMakovec@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:04:38 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Bartlett Subject: FGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, we do need scientific evidence that FGMO works and how it works and why and the side effects etc. BUT .......... I tried several of the other forms of treatment and was not happy with the results. And I know how things should look in the hive in Spring. I remember 20 to 25 years ago how things were before the mites. No ... the verdict is not in yet for FGMO or for what I think of it. Many things start by testimonials. IT IS JUST HARD FOR ME TO PUT SOMETHING IN MY HIVES THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO WEAR GLOVES TO INSTALL AND THEN EAT THE HONEY. billy b P.S. Cheaper too ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:13:06 -0600 Reply-To: gmc@vci.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: beeman Subject: messsages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit did my message about pollinated honey get through, i have noticed in the past that some of them haven't gotten through! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:12:39 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: tomas mozer Subject: Re: Apis laboriosa or dorsata found on gears, the tucson bee lab's website: live webcast of malaysian honey hunting on february 18/19, 1998... check it out at http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/na/hunting.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:12:39 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: tomas mozer Subject: Re: swarm traps visit the agricultural research magazine feature on bee traps at: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/beetrap0497.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:13:58 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ben M Poehlman Subject: Your Last Chance To Join Dear BEE-L Subscribers, For any of you who are interested, I am starting an Environmental Mailing List. For those of you who are not interested, I apologize for sending you this e-mail. Just delete this. This list is the second best in the world (The #1 list is BEE-L!!). If you want to join (It`s 100% Free), simply send an e-mail to STPClub@juno.com (STPClub stands for "Save the Planet Club") with the subject "Join" (Without Quotes) In the body of the letter, type "Hi", "123", "ABC", "Hello", or some other short quick message. Only about 100 people can join, so, if you are joining, I suggest you do so soon. 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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:17:45 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Re: CSM In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980130153851.007b59a0@elpn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:38 PM 1/30/98 -0700, you wrote: Some of the defoliants used on cotton are arsenic based. Arsenic can and does accumulate in or on forage bees, pollen, and wax. Whether it can get into the honey from this source is unknown. But arsenic is a cumulative poison and is toxic to bees. Cheers Jerry Bromenshenk >Cotton is one of the most pesticide-intensive crops grow in the U.S. Many >of these inorganics accumulate in cotton seed. Some organic farming >standards recommend that you not use the meal as a soil amendment because >of this pesticide accumulation. Jerry J. Bromenshenk, Ph.D. Director, DOE/EPSCoR & Montana Organization for Research in Energy The University of Montana-Missoula Missoula, MT 59812-1002 E-Mail: jjbmail@selway.umt.edu Tel: 406-243-5648 Fax: 406-243-4184 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:21:25 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Earliest Pollen (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Friends, Kick me if this is a repeat. Thanks. **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:00:19 -0500 (EST) From: John Iannuzzi To: Anonymous Subject: Earliest Pollen Friends, My honeybees were carting in pollen on January 9! Curious, I checked the swamps in the woods behind my house. Sure enuf, the skunk cabbage was starting to bloom! Obviously because of the warm Jan weather. In prior years, never happened until mid-Feb. Question: what does this portend for my mid-June honey harvest? Thanks in advance. Jack the Bman **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:58:07 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Bee Works Subject: Re: DNA. In-Reply-To: <980128.151613.EST.SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 28 Jan 98 at 15:03, Aaron Morris wrote: > Apologies to old wives for my flippant response to Dave's DNA study > > ... open mating of queens reveals ... > > a) The workers, on average came from 10 different drones. > Dave, am I over simplifying here? I mean it's a very interesting > study and all, the bit about swarms split along party lines is REAL > neat, as is the mixing and random use of sperm, but I don't see what > is gained. The useful applications elude me. I bet a week's wages > Andy would call this BS! I suppose like so many studies there is possibly no useful application! I just felt, when I read it, how contrary to past thinking. It has open up a few cans of worms, made us see things from a different perspective, so, I suppose just for that alone it is valuable. ******************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Dr, Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, L3V 6H1 Phone/fax 705-326-7171 David Eyre, Owner. http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks e-mail ******************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:21:01 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Beekeeping in 3 Shallows vs 2 Deeps Comments: cc: frank j kovac , Romanik John , Bruno Reich , i barton smith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Friends, I would like to switch to three-shallows (total height, 17-1/2 inches) versus two deeps (total height, 19-1/2 inches) as brood chambers year round because, at age 70, I find the weights of the deeps to heavy to maneuver, especially when reversing, as I should be doing right now. I would like to hear from anybody out there who has actually done this, the pros and cons, if any. I would still collect the surplus honey in shallows or mediums. FORGIVE ME IF THIS IS A REPEAT (Alzheimer's?, giggle). PS Am already profiting from the advice of Bart Smith, the Md. state bee inspector. Thanks again, Bart. **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:27:32 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rimantas Zujus Subject: Re: mites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2E5C.C0BE2E40" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2E5C.C0BE2E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Bashore Saturday, January 31, 1998 12:49 AM wrote : Well Elroy I like to keep my honey as free of chemicals as possiable as most beekeepers do. Granted mineral oil is a chemical but far less to cause long term problems then year after year of useing apistan. Dear bee keepers Who could explain me why the mineral oil is not found in your honey and pollen if the bee legs (at least ) touch the oil ? Thank you in advance. 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Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: languages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to all recipients. If there is one thing of which I am positively sure is my ability to be fully bilingual (English and Spanish). I agree that beekeeping is blessed by the uniqueness of the diversity of cultural and ethnic backgrounds of those of us who practice the art and craft of beekeeping. I also fully agree that any forum in which beekeepers participate should welcome contributions from all around the world in what ever language the speaker chooses to express his opinions about beekeeping. However, I reiterate, that this list service, or any service that translates our national languages should be accurate and pre- cise. Although I understand several other languages enough to read and interpret written dissertations, I would never attempt to digress from the context of the expressed subject matter in other languages outside English and Spanish. Having said this, let me assure the readers of this list, and I am sure that other Spanish speaking readers will feel disturbed (to put it mildly) if their Spanish language contributions to the list were to be translated as proposed by the system now employed. It is highly inadequate, resulting not only in improper translation of the subject matter but misleading through its errors. In an effort to convey the benefit of my work (with Varroa mites) I have had my files translated into Spanish (by someone whom I thought more competent than I) thinking that perhaps my work would also be made available to those beekeeping colleagues who do not speak English. After reading the translation of some of the contributions on the present thread, I most sincerely hope that the list service has not translated the files that I have submitted through this service. At a time when we are attempting to standardize the work with mineral oil for the treatment of bee mites, precision and correctness is absolutely necessary. I consider my work (and that of others) very important for the future of beekeeping; hence I consider that referenced translation mechanism is inadequate for translation of the Spanish language contributions to the list. Granting that translation should be employed in an effort to make our contributions available to a wider scope of recipients worldwide, I would like to suggest that a more competent service be utilized. In summary, I would like to state that I am equally proud of my American and Spanish heritage. This is not a plea about languages. This is a plea for preciseness in delicate matters at a time of crises in our beloved field of beekeeping and an effort at maintaining cohesiveness and integrity of this medium which all of us seem to enjoy judging by the frequency by which it is utilized. Best regards. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:00:56 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rimantas Zujus Subject: Re: MITES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2E59.099A0DE0" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2E59.099A0DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BRIAN HENSEL Friday, January 30, 1998 6:39 AM wrote : > because I feel that there is no varroa present in my hives. > I'm not against research of FGMO and, maybe, you got possitive result, = but one thing is to feel and another to count a ratio of mites to bees ! 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That should have been (only three w's) Sorry sorry sorry. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:24:14 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: swarm traps In-Reply-To: <34D262C8.8AF@acnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 05:31 PM 1/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >little bigger?)with a little hole in one side. They put citral (lemon=20 >grass is ok) to improve the trap. >I observed that swarms like to get into very old hives, better if they=20 >have a comb inside, and even better if they are a little up the ground,=20 >but africanized bees aren=B4t very selective. Hi ! Thanks for the translation. What you describe here looks the same to me as what I would use to trap European swarms, but I guess if you know all your bees are undesirable it works, if not a lot of good productive honey bee swarms are being destroyed. ttul, the OLd Drone "L'ENFUMOIR" is the tool the beekeeper uses to smoke up bees" (c)Permission is given to copy this document=20 in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:00:42 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "James R. Shaver" Subject: Re: curiosity The net is international. Jim Shaver, Los Angeles On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:34:24 -0600 "Thomas D. Harker" writes: >At 03:19 PM 1/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Rimantas Zujus wrote: >> >>> Hi, curious bee keepers >>> >>> I usually use ALTAVISTA for interpreting. >>> try it : >>> http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? >>> >>> A very rapid program. >>> >>> In English: Hello Hugo: >>> >>> In Mexico the government ponia traps hung of you hoist them. They >were >simple cardboard boxes like of 60X40cm surrounded in plastico (in case >rains), and inside a little citral aroma (the grass lemon serves). I >have >observed that also works very well camaras of young viejitas, very >used, >left by ahi near the apiario, if they have an old honeycomb, better. >The >wild bees and until the clusters of the apiario enter ahi, specially >if you >place a little in stop, but if are africanized bees, in where it is >are well. >>> >>> Hi All. >> >> I am awfully sorry to disagree but, if the above is an example >of >what this translation service is capable of producing, I would not >want my >Spanish messages translated. Even more so if such messages conveyed >any of >my work.Sincerely. >>Dr. Rodriguez >>Virginia Beach, VA. >> > >Am I the only one who believes that messages on the BEE-L should be >posted >in English? > >IMHO If you like to respond in Spanish or other non-English >languages, >then perhaps you should respond privately in EMAIL. > >Otherwise, those of us who value your comments must resort to some >sort of >translation. :-) > >Thanks, > >Tom in Rockford, IL and using FMGO on my two hives. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:35:10 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "James R. Shaver" Subject: Re: spanish wintergreen = ?? Try gaulteria, or aceite de gaulteria if your going to put it on your frames. . Jim Shaver, Los Angeles On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:03:32 -0300 Hugo Aguirre writes: >Hi all !!!! > > who can translate "wintergreen" (Gaulteria Procumbens) to >spanish? > =20 > =20 > > Thanks=09 > -- >Hola a todos!!!! > > > =BFquien puede traducir al espa=F1ol "wintergreen" (Gaulteria >Procumbens)? > =09 > Gracias, > > >* Hugo Aguirre =3D=3D=3D> hugoagui@sguillermo.datacop3.com.ar * > >********************************************************************* > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:28:44 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <199801302145.NAA11929@mail.thegrid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sounds like you are having a good winter in your area. Its a good winter because i haven't lost any hives yet this year. Normally i have at least 1 or sometimes 2 hives dead by this time every year. >BTW, what are your observations on the environmental conditions this winter >compared to others? > >Here in Central California away from the left coast we are having our old >time wet, foggy green season, but it has been about 10 degrees above >normal. Its a little early to say how the bees are going to turn out but I >have not heard of any large scale losses. Since it is mostly not cold >enough the bees do not cluster as tight as other places, or other colder >years, and they do look stronger at first glance then when they are >clustered. Few flowers are out yet in the valley but most all hives do have >some patches of brood. Almond buds are showing some growth activity. > Here in Okla we have such drastic swings in temperature during the winter.This winter is about average but the wind chill is what gives us all the problems here. It usually gets in the single digits during the dead of winter but the wind chill can be -50. We have been in the 60's for the last several days but it looks like another cold front is on its way from the Pacific. The bees are collecting real dark pollen from somewhere. Nothing really starts blooming till the mid to end of February. We are about 5 degrees above average but next week it lookes like we will be 5 degrees or so below normal. Usually the last two weeks in January and the first two weeks in February are the worst winter weeks. It must be nice to have such mild winters like yours but I dont like earth quakes. >The south coast and central coast areas that do not have the winter fogs >and are normally a month ahead of the valley are reporting good conditions >with both commercial and hobby beekeepers finding the need to add extra >brood supers earlier then normal. Many southern California beekeepers >winter their better hives in the valley and only take their din's or weak >hives to southern California. In many years by almond bloom these hives >will be in better shape then the one's wintered in the valley having time >to brood up and increase their populations. They also will be the first >one's to swarm in the almonds, or if the weather goes bad will be the first >one's to need feeding to survive. By the end of the almond bloom all the >bees will be the same until the next flow. > >ttul, the OLd Drone > >* Yes Officer, you pulled me over because you want my bee what? >California legislature has considered laws forcing beekeepers to carry bee >ID papers. >One county does require bee trucks to be identified with signs. The >California Highway Petrol >would like all bee trucks netted. All of the above have been prevented by >political action by beekeepers ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:02:00 -0500 Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Palmer Organization: French Hill Apiaries Subject: pollen already? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You lucky folks! Pollen comming in already! Almond buds swelling. Pollen in Maryland already! And a week of it at that. I promise not to use the H word! *S* Up north here, pollen is at least two months away. If it comes at all. Literally! The " ice storm of '98" really wiped my prime bee territory. You'ld have to see it to believe it. Just about every branch on every tree is gone. For hundreds of square miles! Let' see - Speckled Alder and Pussy Willow - our first pollen of the season - smashed. Soft Maple - savior of the starving colony - no branches left. That fuzzy white pollen from Poplar - won't get much I guess. What else. Fruit bloom? Basswood? Brambles? Field crops - covered with three inches of ice. What do you think FEMA will think of this claim. Probably chuckle like Dick Army did when I called him once. Bees? Ha, ha, ha. I promise not to use the "H" word. Mike ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:56:26 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Mites In-Reply-To: <892BD172EE61D11199BB0080D87004A709932F@ntmaile.tandy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Am also new on this list. I missed the expansion of . Will somebody help? Thanks. On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Jerry Scott wrote: > Hi, > As seen with this question, I am very, very new to beekeeping. > Just starting. I know what mineral oil is, but what is FGMO? Also, > based on some of the comments here, it seems that FGMO is very effective > against mites. Maybe better than A. strips, which is all that I knew to > fight them with. How does one treat with FGMO? If this has been talked > about before I joined the like, would there be the answers in the BEE-L > archives? > > Thanks > Jerry Scott > jscott2@tandy.com > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:54:25 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Treatment of Tracheal Mites In-Reply-To: <0325659C.004B0385.00@famarnotesba.famar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII REPLY IN CAPS FOR EASE OF DISTINCTION. YES, "VEGGIE" OIL IS VERNACULAR FOR "VEGETABLE" OIL. YES, IT IS THE EDIBLE VARIETY USED IN COOKING OR ON SALADS. On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Juan Manuel Reil wrote: > Sorry but It's my first time on the list. I don't know what is veggie oil. > I think is eatable vegetal oil.The oil that you use to cook. It this ok? > Thank you and sorry by my english. > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:45:52 -0500 Reply-To: John Iannuzzi Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <5707d889.34d1d4ba@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Rod Hewitt wrote: REPLY IN CAPS FOR EASE OF READING. > Any info on use rate and how its applied? I PLACE MY PAPER 12 PAPER TOWELS, OFFSET, IN A PAN SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THEY ARE, DUMP IN SUFFICIENT VEGETABLE OIL TO SATURATE ALL OF THEM, AND MOVE FROM HIVE TO HIVE, PLACING ONE TOWEL BETWEEN THE TWO DEEP BROOD CHAMBERS. AS I SAID B4, I DO THIS SEPT 1 AND ONE WEEK LATER. BY THAT TIME THE FIRST ONE IS ALL CHEWED UP AND THROWN OUT OF THE HIVE. Do you mix with sugar the same as > with essential oils? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS PART. I DON'T USE ESSENTIAL OILS, NOR SUGAR. U R THINKING OF BOB NOEL OF CUMBERLAND, MD? > RDH > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:46:14 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <01BD2DBD.18ACF960@gytis.lei.lt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:24 PM 1/30/98 +0200, you wrote: > >Paul Bashore wrote: > >Today I checked all 15 hives today and was very surprised to find all are >doing fine. This is the first winter since I started using only FGMO to >treat my bees for mites. I usually have 1 or 2 hives by this time that >havent made it. This is not a scientific study just my own observation. >Looks like all 15 hives will make it in very good shape with plenty of >stores left. > > >paul in okla. 15 hives and growing > >Dear Paul > >How do you count the mites in winter season ? > The same way I do in the summer, one at a time. Just kidding I do a small either roll. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:29:24 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Re: Spanish Comments: To: allend@internode.net I want to second what Allen Dick said...one should never be embarrassed by their English or let it hold them back from adding to a discussion, asking a question, or making a contribution. Moreover, if English is just not possible...use another language as by using the translator the rest of us can get a reasonably good idea of what is being communicated. -----Original Message----- From: Allen Dick To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 6:52 PM Subject: Spanish > I made an error (pressed the wrong address botton) and sent a > message in Spanish to the list. I apologized immediately to the list > as the message was sent to the list by error. I do think that it would > be impolite to send an other than English language message to the list > when I know that this is mainly an English speaking forum... FWIW, I think most of us would rather have some posts in languages other than English than lose valuable members -- or ideas. Often there are barriers to knowledge that are caused by geography or language and maybe the answers to questions that bother us are freely available elsewhere. I wonder what the Chinese know about varroa that we don't? Sure there may be a few who gripe when they realise that they can't understand a post, but no matter what a person does, someone is going to object -- and frankly I have made posts in plain carefully chosen English that have been well misunderstood ;) Personally I found the Spanish exchange fresh and interesting, and, as another list member suggested, I went to the translator on the web for a better interpretation than my weak Spanish could supply. It is always amusing to see what that translating machine thinks about technical words. I have a link on the RossRounds.com pages to the same translator and it makes a mangled mess of the trade name, but I think that people who really want to know about Ross Rounds (tm) and don't speak English will find it useful. I notice that Europeans are used to having to try to communicate in a melange of languages and I appreciate the fact that we have many non-English members from around the world here patiently puzzling their way through our messages. I hope it is worth it. I know it is hard to write in English sometimes and I fervently hope that if these members feel they have something important to say that they will feel assured enough to write in their native language to BEE-L. We'll try to figure it out and, after all, there is a delete button on every computer if we find it too challenging. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:48:31 -0500 Reply-To: jhpowers@sccoast.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: jhpowers Organization: SCCoast.Net Subject: Re: Wallpaper search MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brenda Wishin wrote: > > I searched Bee-L for wallpaper, but didn't find the person who mentioned > they had "bee" wallpaper. I'm fixing up the kitchen and would like to know > where to find some, > Thanks in advance. I am doing the same and would like to know what is available also. You can e-mail me privately if you would rather. I too, thank you in advance. Janis ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:50:46 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "A.Piercy" Subject: Re: Talcum powder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The principal behind talcum powder treatment is that you dust the bees fairly thoroughly with talc (plain unscented) and in grooming themselves to get rid of the talc, they also pull off the mites living on their body surfaces. One problem is that the mites are often left alive so they may be able to crawl back up into the hive and reparasitise bees, with little effective reduction in numbers having been achieved. I have seen this in a number of books but it isn't used by anyone I know personally. Andrew. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:23:09 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: old eguipment. Comments: To: "Gary C. Lewis" In-Reply-To: <34D4EFF4.29ED@penn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I used a propane torch for purifying the FRAMES too, in addition to the boxes. Using a bleach to boot sounds like an overkill to me. On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Gary C. Lewis wrote: > Hello, > I have frames and hive bodies that have not held bees in a few years > do to a move. I use a propane tourch to burn the inside of the hive > bodies and scrap the frames to remove old wax and whatever else might be > sticking to them. > I have a few months before my bees get here and was wondering if > soaking or washing the frames with Chlorine bleach would be safe. I > would then put the frames outside to dry. I would think that the smell > of the bleach would be gone after a few weeks if not days. > What more do I need to do to insure that there is nothing alive in > this old stuff so I can use it this spring? I have new frames but would > like to re-use the old ones as I have 100 or more. > > SEYA...G.. > > Gary C. Lewis > Duke Center, Pa. > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:30:03 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Apis laboriosa or dorsata In-Reply-To: <19980131.142133.3271.1.tomasmozer@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Permit me to comment on the blurb at the end of this message. Yes, it's FREE but one can u s e i t o n l y t h r u W i nd o w s! This is an extra unnecessary step. I use shareware directly from the DOS-prompt. It's faster, if one is doing email ONLY, w/o all the bells and whistles. Suum cuique? On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, tomas mozer wrote: > found on gears, the tucson bee lab's website: > live webcast of malaysian honey hunting on february 18/19, 1998... > check it out at > http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/na/hunting.html > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:43:04 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <01BD2E5C.C0B68D20@gytis.lei.lt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Question: Is mineral oil found in honey and pollen when used for T-mite control? Answer: If it is used, as I do w/paper towels saturated with edible vegetable oil, B4 of AFTER the extracting supers and/or pollen traps are installed, I don't see how that is possible. BTW, isn't edible vegetable oil, purchased in the supermarket, far cheaper than mineral oil, purchased in the drugstore? On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Rimantas Zujus wrote: > > > Paul Bashore Saturday, January 31, 1998 12:49 AM wrote : > > Well Elroy I like to keep my honey as free of chemicals as possiable as > most beekeepers do. Granted mineral oil is a chemical but far less to cause > long term problems then year after year of useing apistan. > > Dear bee keepers > > Who could explain me why the mineral oil is not found in your honey and pollen if the bee legs (at least ) touch the oil ? > Thank you in advance. > > Rimantas Zujus > e-mail : zujus@isag.lei.lt > http://www.online.lt/indexs.htm > Latitude 55 Deg North > Longitude 24 Deg EAST > > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:53:09 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: pollen already? Comments: To: Michael Palmer In-Reply-To: <34D28618.8698FC67@together.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I enjoyed reading this message. But hey, unless I'm going blind, I C no indication of where it is coming from. You mentioned "Maryland" when citing early pollen elsewhere (my--John Iannuzzi's--posting). You couldn't possibly bee from Alaska (smile). Thanks in advance. On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Michael Palmer wrote: > You lucky folks! Pollen comming in already! Almond buds swelling. Pollen > in Maryland already! And a week of it at that. I promise not to use the > H word! *S* Up north here, pollen is at least two months away. If it > comes at all. Literally! The " ice storm of '98" really wiped my prime > bee territory. You'ld have to see it to believe it. Just about every > branch on every tree is gone. For hundreds of square miles! Let' see - > Speckled Alder and Pussy Willow - our first pollen of the season - > smashed. Soft Maple - savior of the starving colony - no branches left. > That fuzzy white pollen from Poplar - won't get much I guess. What else. > Fruit bloom? Basswood? Brambles? Field crops - covered with three inches > of ice. What do you think FEMA will think of this claim. Probably > chuckle like Dick Army did when I called him once. Bees? Ha, ha, ha. I > promise not to use the "H" word. Mike > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:15:57 +0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Naser Ali Altayeb Subject: Honey Ideal Temperature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi B-L, In some cold countries, they extract honey by heating it to something over 63 degree C. Is this the only possible way, or maybe the easiest way to get their honey? any how I believe this method will result in reducing the quality of the natural honey that is produced in this manner, as the over-heated honey is not nourishing as the non heated honey which retains it's natural enzymes and yet it's unchanged flavor!! Therefore if this is the case...., what is the ideal temperature for the honey in general ? How many enzymes are there in the natural honey and does every enzyme has it's own different temperature limit. Thank you for any feedback. Naser Altayeb Kuwait ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:18:59 -0600 Reply-To: liz@journeyinc.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Liz Love Organization: Journey, Inc. Subject: Re: mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been reading all the wonders of FGMO and would like to try it...please explain how it is applied, how much etc. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:51:15 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: FGMO In-Reply-To: <199802010157.UAA18654@eaglenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:04 PM 1/31/98 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, we do need scientific evidence that FGMO works and how it works and >why and the side effects etc. > >BUT .......... I tried several of the other forms of treatment and was not >happy with the results. And I know how things should look in the hive in >Spring. I remember 20 to 25 years ago how things were before the mites. >No ... the verdict is not in yet for FGMO or for what I think of it. Many >things start by testimonials. > >IT IS JUST HARD FOR ME TO PUT SOMETHING IN MY HIVES THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO >WEAR GLOVES TO INSTALL AND THEN EAT THE HONEY. > >billy b > >P.S. Cheaper too > Not to mention the fact that the bees move the honey around in the hive to their liking and some stores of honey left over when the hive was treated with chemicals could be moved up into the supers and end up on the dinner table!!! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:44:41 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Steven Albritton Subject: Re: swarm traps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I used their large swarm trap this year. I never really got it set up correctly but still caught 4 swarms in it. Three were caught with the trap sitting under my carport. I plan to purchase a couple more this year. At 08:52 PM 1/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hugo, you might look in the catalog of the Brushy Mountain Bee Company >for drawings and descriptions of a couple of different sorts of swarn >traps. > >Basically, they are simply containers of some kind having a volume about >that of a standard brood box, with an entry hole. You hang them in or on >a tree, usually. Some say they work better with a pheromone lure inside. > >On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:47:56 -0300 Hugo Aguirre > writes: >>Hi everyone!!!!!!! >> >> who knows about swarm traps? >> >> how are made it? >> >> Thanks, >> >>* Hugo Aguirre ===> hugoagui@sguillermo.datacop3.com.ar * >> >>********************************************************************* >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > Steven Albritton LDS Communications, Sports America, Chauvin Honey Farms Monroe, Louisiana ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:44:45 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ed Kear Subject: bee wallpaper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I searched www.altavista.digital.com for bee.gif and found http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/general/im ages/swarm_m.jpg I'm sure there are a number of other sites with bee photos. If you find an image that you want to use as wallpaper, right-click on the image and select "set as wallpaper" (this works for IE4 and Navigator 4, I assume that it works for earlier versions) Hope this helps. Ed Kear ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:56:39 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Al Needham Subject: Re: Anyone there? On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:36:36 +0000 Richard Bonney writes: >I have not had a message from Bee-L for well over 24 hours. That's >unusual. Is the system having problems again or is everyone taking the >weekend off? Don't feel alone, I signed on this morning and received almost 60 messages ! Al, ----------------------------------------------------------- <"Mailto: awneedham@juno.com" > Scituate,Massachusetts,USA The Beehive- Educational Honey Bee Site http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine/ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:10:01 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <01BD2E5C.C0B68D20@gytis.lei.lt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Dear bee keepers > >Who could explain me why the mineral oil is not found in your honey and pollen if the bee legs (at least ) touch the oil ? > Thank you in advance. > There probably are trace elements in the honey and pollen however I would much rather have trace elements of somthing that is approved for human consumption in it than somthing you have to wear gloves to handle. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:38:53 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Randy Nessler Subject: Mites and hop oils MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was curious if anyone has experimented with hop oils for the treatment of mites (tracheal or varroa). In a "folk" medicine book, it was reported that bedding livestock with hops can lower parasite infestation. Since the hop oil extracts are now available in liquid form through some of the brewing industry supply firms, I thought it might be interesting to research. I've seen people using mint oils, and maybe the alpha acids of hops might hold some promise. Ideas? Feedback? -- Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu Views expressed are my own. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:54:57 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: FMGO and Beeswax In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980202091001.007ae870@oklahoma.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > There probably are trace elements in the honey and pollen however I would > much rather have trace elements of somthing that is approved for human > consumption in it than somthing you have to wear gloves to handle. I would imagine that there would be more of a problem with FMGO getting into the wax, since waxes and oils are similar and dissolve easily in one another. Any oil in honey -- which is water based -- would normally rise to the top of the tank and be taken off with the wax skimmings. I've been meaning to ask: where does all the FMGO go to over time in the hive? By my understanding, a considerable volume is applied in each hive over time and it eventually amounts to a significant percentage of the weight of all the wax in the hive. I realise some FMGO is possibly metabolized (even though it is basically indigestible, some microrganisms do degrade it) or carried out of the hive on bees and debris and some soaks into the hive woodenware, but how much of it dissolves into the combs? Assuming it does get into the wax, what are the effects? I imagine that beeswax with mineral oil in it in small percentages might be refused for some critical beeswax applications, since the wax is tested for parriffin waxes and mineral oil is closely related. In higher percentages, FMGO might affect the strength of the wax and the temperature of melting, resulting in combs that sag and hives that collapse internally under ambient temperatures that bees and hives normally withstand without problems. I think that it might be a thought for Dr. Pedro to submit a sample of the wax in his hives -- which now have over a year of FGMO use -- for laboratory testing to determine if this might become a problem. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:19:46 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: FGMO, where does it go? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Good question! There have been a lot of inquires since the anecdotal testimonies to FGMO last week. A lot of the questions appear to come from newer subscribers who have not been around for the entire discussion of Dr. R's FGMO treatment. Please remember that the reported mechanism of this treatment is that the FGMO clogs the spiracles of the Varroa mites hence blocking both respiration and transpiration (breathing and the passing of water vapor through the V. mites' body walls). This could account for at least a small quantity of the applied FGMO. I imagine most of the FGMO is absorbed in wooden ware, then critters (both target mites and greasy bees) and that very little makes it into beeswax itself. However, my imagination is no substitute for good empirical data. Aaron Morris - thinking empirical data cost a lot! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:31:32 -0500 Reply-To: kferner@mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: kferner Subject: Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a "law" that says how many beehives you have to have to be considered a "business"?? Someone told me you had to have 300 hives to be considered a business, shouldn't it be how much money is made?? How are bees claimed as assetts on tax returns?? What material should I get to read up on wintering bees? (Besides the AtoZ)? Where can I find (used) supers for sale? Please email me privately if this isn't appropriate for list. Thanks. Karen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:58:57 -0500 Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Palmer Organization: French Hill Apiaries Subject: Re: Questions Comments: To: kferner@mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you just have to make a profit once in five years for the IRS to consider you a buainess. Aren't they depreciated, and claimed as equipment. The bees can die from year to year, so depreciate your initial investment, and if the bees die - claim that in other expenses. kferner wrote: > Is there a "law" that says how many beehives you have to have to be > considered a "business"?? Someone told me you had to have 300 hives to > be considered a business, shouldn't it be how much money is made?? How > are bees claimed as assetts on tax returns?? > What material should I get to read up on wintering bees? (Besides the > AtoZ)? > Where can I find (used) supers for sale? > Please email me privately if this isn't appropriate for list. > Thanks. > Karen ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:15:48 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Teresa Garcma Subject: Re: swarm traps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy, We always could use the swarm trapped (english ok?)inside. Nevertheless,=20 here (tropical climate) "all" or almost all swarms are africanized, and=20 one very important problem we have is that there are too many. The wild=20 bee population doesn=B4t let the managed colonies produce. Anyway, trapping or not wild colonies is up to each beekeeper now. Tere ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:10:38 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: Re: FMGO and Beeswax MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >-----Original Message----- >From: Allen Dick >Subject: FMGO and Beeswax > >In higher >percentages, FMGO might affect the strength of the wax and the temperature >of melting, resulting in combs that sag and hives that collapse internally >under ambient temperatures that bees and hives normally withstand without >problems. Hi Allen and all That's a good point, but wouldn't the oil only get into the foundation? Once the bees build the comb over it, the new wax being pure, that should make up for any weakness caused by the oil. Just a thought...:) Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com real estate agent gardener baritone beekeeper---> 10 colonies and counting ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:23:28 -0400 Reply-To: rossybee@entelchile.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rossy Castillo Subject: Contacts in Canada MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody: I need to contact with canadian beekeepers and associations. We are planning to go to Canada . If there is somebody from Alberta please contact me. I need to contac to the Farwiev college too. I need to contac Tibor Tzabo too.. Please help me. Thanks a lot Rossy Castillo rossybee@entelchile.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:02:49 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: Mites and oils MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello fellow recipients and others. At the time of my first posting about my work with bee mites, I went into meticulous details explaining my years of work and study regarding the biology of bee mites and why I determined that oil would be an effective mechanism for the treatment of bee mites. I do not wish to consume your time or electronic time and space repeating the comparisons established for selection of FGMO. I have continuously provided copies of my files to all and any who requested them, and I will continue to provide those and any other subsequent related work. I have described in painful details time and time again that Food Grade Mineral Oil was selected for testing in preference to other oils because in the United States of America, FGMO is approved for used in food handling operations. FGMO is used in a wide variety of food handling operations and medical practice because it has been proven to be innocuous, non toxic, non allergenic, and I could fill a full size page with other similar beneficial characteristics. I can not say the same for any other of the substances being used at present for treating bee mites, including chemicals, which although approved for use in beekeeping, have limitations. After13 years of intensive study, I am fully convinced of the effectiveness of FGMO for use as a miticide in beekeeping and of its safety for human consumption and friend- liness to the environment. I am absolutely certain that I do not have to defend my work. My work is honest and performed with scientific certainty. Unfortunately, I do not have the necessary funds to launch a publicity campaign to proclaim the virtues and benefits that can/could be derived from the use of FGMO for this purpose, nor the funding for performing laboratory tests that are being suggested for FGMO to receive the "blessing" of approval. I will continue my projected work according to my capabilities and report my findings as I have in the past. I think that it is in the best interest of beekeeping to pursue this trend of thought and that capable individuals (industry) and institutions should dedicate some of their resources to determine those aspects that seem to disturb some of the writers to this list. I have been receiving, reading and answering hundreds of electronic messages and many postal letters addressed to my home address. As environmental conditions continue to improve, I need to dedicate more time to my field work and less to sit at the PC reading electronic messages. I will, however, continue to dedicate as much time as I may require to answer questions and to provide answers regarding the progress of my work. I do have one request, please address your messages to my e-mail address, fax or snail mail if you prefer. To all of you, thanks for listening to my ideas about the love of my life, honeybees. Best regards. Dr. Pedro Rodriguez 2133 Wolfsnare Road Virginia Beach, VA 23454 (Fax) 757-631-1943 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:49:59 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: Beekeeping in 3 Shallows vs 2 Deeps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I would like to switch to three-shallows (total height, 17-1/2 inches) > versus two deeps (total height, 19-1/2 inches) as brood chambers year > round because... I would like to hear from anybody out there who has > actually done this, the pros and cons, if any. I've done it and it works just fine. Only drawback is that there are more gaps and wood area in the brood circle. Allen --- FAQs? There is no BEE-L FAQ - as such - but you can search for answers to most common questions by visiting http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/beel.htm or send email to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU and say Search BEE-L KEYWORD(S) ('KEYWORD(S)' means a word or words unique to your question) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:44:21 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: George W Imirie Subject: Re: Anyone there? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Dick, Me too; not for 48 hours, both bee-L and BoB. I sent a note to Dick Allen this AM, and within 10 minutes, I had 69 messages. I hope to see you at EAS this July. ABF in Colorado was SUPER with it "never ending" queen symposium. Now, with strokes etc, I have been asked to do the Queen workshop at EAS. I am pleased, because I like to teach so much, but I hope my health holds together. Sorry about your weather up there. Down here in Maryland and Virginia, Ann Harman and I are worried about winter stores, because we have had almost continuous flying weather. Enough said. George Imirie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:05:50 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: George W Imirie Subject: Re: Beekeeping in 3 Shallows vs 2 Deeps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Jack, As you know, I switched ALL of my colonies and Ann Harman's to 3 Illinois brood boxes 15 years ago. I did NOT do it because of weight. I did it so I could do away with multiple size frames and have just ONE UNIVERSAL FRAME FOR EVERYTHING. My 6 5/8 frames are used for brood, extracted, cut-comb, even round sections and square box sections which I still do for OLD FRIENDS. I have written about this several times in my PINK PAGES. If you want a copy, I will mail you one. How is your health? I am doing "great" except: just barely walk; can't shout with just one vocal chord, and can no longer touch type without feeling in my left hand. DON'T HAVE A STROKE! But I still make the Honey Board meetings, EAS meetings (doing a queen workshop this July), and the Federation meeting in Colorado was fantastic! Ann goes with as my nurse. George Imirie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:35:17 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Releasing a queen from cell prematurely Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HI from Rainy Santa Barbara, One of my hives being tended by a beginning beekeeper swarmed on Fri while I was in Las Vegas. Fortunately my student was onthe ball and captured the hive in a cardboard box, covered with plastic to protect it from some heavy rains we have been having. There was a brief lull in the storm today so we cracked open the hive, separating the two brood chambers to show him what queen cells look like in various stages of development. Mostly undeveloped queens but there was one which showed a rather mature queen. She backed out of her cell and disappeared down into the colony. I told my student that I hope she is mature enough to get rid of all the others. THe rainy weather will keep the bees caged for the next week so plenty of time for her to destroy the rivals. Keeping my fingers crossed that she does fly from the hive with a secondary swarm. Anyone else had this experience? Paul Cronshaw DC Hobby beekeeper in Santa Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:06:26 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Beekeeping in 3 Shallows vs 2 Deeps In-Reply-To: <6262c95e.34d68990@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for your ideas. Hey, I did mean shallows and not mediums which U R using. Cheers. **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in evil things For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:37:54 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Patrick & Mary Caldwell Subject: Re: Wallpaper search MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Brenda... I, too, have searched the net for bee wallpaper to no avail... I want to do the same to my kitchen! Please e-mail me if you find a bee wallpaper source, and I will do the same should I find one first! Thanks! Mary Caldwell Benicia, CA mpcenterprises@mci2000.com -----Original Message----- From: Brenda Wishin To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Monday, February 2, 1998 4:37 AM Subject: Wallpaper search >I searched Bee-L for wallpaper, but didn't find the person who mentioned >they had "bee" wallpaper. I'm fixing up the kitchen and would like to know >where to find some, >Thanks in advance. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:51:00 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: ficheros FGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hola Tere. Buenos dias. ?Es que no te han llegado aun los ficheros? Dimelo y te los vuelvo a enviar via entrega especial. Un abrazo. Pedro ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:09:56 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "W. C. Uhlman" Subject: Re: Beekeeping in 3 Shallows vs 2 Deeps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I was eavesdropping on your message referencing using all shallows (for brood & supering) and note you have a "pink paper" on your experience. I would greatly appreciate a copy if possible. I'm just a hobbyist (sometimes lawyer) with a couple of hives, but have found that the back can get almost as strained with two hives as with many more as the years progress! Thanks. Wes Uhlman 1302 Bigelow Avenue North Seattle. WA. 98109 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:23:11 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Problems on BEE-L? Anybody there? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have received a number of queries both privately and on the list about possible problems with BEE-L: "Anybody there?". Actually LISTSERV has been handling BEE-L exactly as designed. BEE-L was automatically put on hold Friday evening shortly after I left for the weekend due to excessive traffic. Messages collected through the weekend, were processed Monday morning when the hold was released and the 50 message/day threshold was quickly exceeded again, although on Monday the hold was promptly removed. The following is taken from the BEE-L archives, first posted in September, 1997, modified slightly for currency: "Regarding LISTSERV postponing postings: > The distribution of your message... has been postponed because the > daily message limit for the BEE-L list (50) has been exceeded.... A configuration parameter in LISTSERV sets the number of daily posts allowed on any given list. The default for all lists is 50 posts per day. Even though we have been butting up against this limit as of late, I see no reason to change this configuration parameter. It serves as an enforceable constraint to limit spurious posts (such as 50 lines of requoted material followed by 'Right on' and a requote of that entire post followed by 'Yeah Brother!' LISTSERV makes no value judgment regarding the content of the post. 50 is 50, no matter what. And once LISTSERV places a list on hold, it stays on hold until an administrator/list owner FREEs the list. Now, I have never met the other BEE-L owners and I don't know their personal habits regarding the care and feeding of BEE-L, but it appears it's laisez-faire. My personal computing habits are M-F, 7 AM to 3 PM and I purposely DO NOT have access from home to assure that I have a life outside of the office. So if the list is placed on hold some time between 3 PM Friday afternoon and 7 AM Monday morning I assume it will stay on hold until Monday morning. So PLEASE folks, consider what you post before you post it. Is it bees or is it merely conversation? Is it list worthy or can it be better addressed to an individual? Think before you post!" Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:52:17 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: Mites and oils MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > ... Unfortunately, I do not have the necessary funds the funding for > performing laboratory tests that are being suggested for FGMO to receive > the "blessing" of approval. > Tests for beeswax contamination with mineral wax products are cheap and routine. I imagine any serious beewax rendering/marketing firm has access to the tests. However, in this particular case I have arranged to have a sample tested for you at no charge -- if you will send a 3 ounce sample of wax from a hive that has been treated with FGMO for a year -- or preferably more -- to: Western Wax Works (Attn: Mario) P.O. Box 3909 70 Alberta Avenue Spruce grove T7X 3B1 Be sure to include a note saying what the sample is and why it is being tested, and that I talked to Mario about it Feb 3rd. And, of course include your return address to receive the results. Alberta Honey Co-op is the net, so the results could be returned to you by email if you give your email address. If others have samples of beeswax that comes from FGMO treated hives that might be worth testing, I am sure that Western Wax Works will do tests for a very nominal fee. The phone number is 1-403-962-5573. Email address is They are also on the web at http://www.beemaid.com/ (As a point of information here: WWW is a division of the Alberta Honey Producers Cooperative (AHPC) which is a producer-owned co-op. AHPC and their partner, the Manitoba Co-op own and package the Beemaid brand of honey. Beemaid both buys honey from non-members from time to time and packages other store and generic brands. They welcome enquiries at the above contact addresses). Allen --- FAQs? There is no BEE-L FAQ - as such - but you can search for answers to most common questions by visiting http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/beel.htm or send email to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU and say Search BEE-L KEYWORD(S) ('KEYWORD(S)' means a word or words unique to your question) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:15:31 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tom Speight Subject: Re: FGMO, where does it go? In-Reply-To: <15102466637143@systronix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <15102466637143@systronix.net>, Excerpts from BEE-L writes >I imagine most of the FGMO is absorbed in wooden ware, I haven't tried FGMO yet, but was wondering. If some is absorbed by the woodwork - as it must be - does it have a similar affect as petroleum jelly (vaseline) on the building of brace comb?? -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:42:14 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Conrad Sigona Subject: Re: old eguipment. Comments: To: "Gary C. Lewis" In-Reply-To: <34D4EFF4.29ED@penn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I have a few months before my bees get here and was wondering if > soaking or washing the frames with Chlorine bleach would be safe. I > would then put the frames outside to dry. I would think that the smell > of the bleach would be gone after a few weeks if not days. > What more do I need to do to insure that there is nothing alive in > this old stuff so I can use it this spring? I have new frames but would > like to re-use the old ones as I have 100 or more. I don't like the bleach part. When the bleach dries, the crystalline solid will still be in the wood and turn to bleach again when it gets damp. You'll have to rinse it a lot to make sure the bleach is gone. Conrad Sigona conrad@ntcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:25:01 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Barricklow, Walt" Subject: Re: old eguipment. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried the bleach, amd it turned out to be a mess. Luckily I only tried a few frames. The frames appeared to be dry, no bleach smell. I left them outside and they got a little damp, and the bleach smell came out again. The rest I scorched with the propane torch and they worked out fine. WALT in S.C. ---------- > From: Conrad Sigona > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: old eguipment. > Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 2:42 PM > > > I have a few months before my bees get here and was wondering if > > soaking or washing the frames with Chlorine bleach would be safe. I > > would then put the frames outside to dry. I would think that the smell > > of the bleach would be gone after a few weeks if not days. > > What more do I need to do to insure that there is nothing alive in > > this old stuff so I can use it this spring? I have new frames but would > > like to re-use the old ones as I have 100 or more. > > I don't like the bleach part. When the bleach dries, the crystalline > solid will still be in the wood and turn to bleach again when it gets > damp. You'll have to rinse it a lot to make sure the bleach is gone. > > Conrad Sigona > conrad@ntcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:21:22 -0800 Reply-To: richard@centex.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Harkey Organization: Harkey's Honey Subject: Queen Rearing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm new to this list, hope this isn't a wrong question, but I am looking for information. Has anyone any experiance raising queens from the egg instead of from larvae? Will the starter colonies except the eggs readily? I"m thinking of the "Mann Lake Queen Breeding Device", where the queen lays in the cell cups then they are transferred to a queenless and broodless starter colony. - - - - Richard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:02:43 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Martin Braunstein Subject: Re: Mites and hop oils MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Randy, I would appreciate your giving further details as to what hop oils are. I never heard about them before. What are they? Thanks. Martin Braunstein Malka Cabania Apicola e-mail: malka@webnet.com.ar ---------- > From: Randy Nessler > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Mites and hop oils > Date: lunes 2 de febrero de 1998 9:38 > > I was curious if anyone has experimented with hop oils for the > treatment of mites (tracheal or varroa). In a "folk" medicine book, it > was reported that bedding livestock with hops can lower parasite > infestation. Since the hop oil extracts are now available in liquid > form through some of the brewing industry supply firms, I thought it > might be interesting to research. I've seen people using mint oils, and > maybe the alpha acids of hops might hold some promise. Ideas? Feedback? > -- > Randy Nessler rnessler@emiris.iaf.uiowa.edu > Views expressed are my own. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:55:54 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Martin Braunstein Subject: Re: Finance for research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Teresa,=20 I agree with you entirely. Regards. Martin Braunstein Malka Cabania Apicola e-mail: malka@webnet.com.ar ---------- > From: Teresa Garcma > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Finance for research > Date: viernes 30 de enero de 1998 10:11 >=20 > Hello Everybody!! >=20 > I=B4m reading about mite control with mineral oil, and it sure sounds=20 > interesting. > I=B4m sure all beekeepers could benefit from these findings, but, I=20 > understand the researcher, Dr. Pedro Rodriguez, has made all of his wor= k=20 > depending only on his family budget. That is not fair, I think. > Why don=B4t EACH of us BEE-Lers contribute with..say..at least $10.00 D= lls=20 > to help him out???=20 > That would mean "solidarity", Don=B4t you think so? >=20 > Tere > Mexico ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:45:09 -0500 Reply-To: dverville@worldnet.att.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Verville MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SEARCH BEE-L FGMO ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 21:36:07 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Diego Dias Subject: species of bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, i am lost when you speak about A. dorsata, A. laboriosa, yada, yada. Where in the net can i learn about the different kind of bees? Thanks Diego Dias Tacuari 737 (5547) Mendoza Argentina Fifth year Industrial Engineering 10 hives, 32 42=B4S 68 31=B4W Interests: mountian bike, trekking, beekeeping As I am not english speaker I would thank any correction. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:35:39 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Teresa Garcma Subject: Re: Finance for research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Martin, Well...thank you, Martin. I thought "no one" (excepto H.)had read my=20 letter, because not a single beekeeper before you put a message in=20 Bee-L about this. This was surprising for me because when I was writing=20 the text I thought: "Surely they will think $10.00 Dlls is too little,=20 because it means "thank you" to a person that, with true generosity, is=20 always willing to share his knowledge", but now I guess, maybe "they=20 think it=B4s too much". But maybe (I hope) the bee people had already contected Dr. Pedro to ask=20 him how to send their collaboration (a bank transfer, perhaps?). Greetings and best wishes, Tere =20 > > Date: viernes 30 de enero de 1998 10:11 > > > > Hello Everybody!! > > > > I=B4m reading about mite control with mineral oil, and it sure sounds > > interesting. > > I=B4m sure all beekeepers could benefit from these findings, but, I > > understand the researcher, Dr. Pedro Rodriguez, has made all of his w= ork > > depending only on his family budget. That is not fair, I think. > > Why don=B4t EACH of us BEE-Lers contribute with..say..at least $10.00= Dlls > > to help him out??? > > That would mean "solidarity", Don=B4t you think so? > > > > Tere > > Mexico ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:52:35 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Re: Extractor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just curious as to the New Price of a 4 frame extractor these days. A friend has one and wants me to make an offer on it. Paul Cronshaw DC Hobby beekeeper in SB >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Approved-By: Ken Lawrence >Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:52:33 -0600 >Reply-To: BEEMAN52@worldnet.att.net >Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology >From: Ken Lawrence >Subject: Extractor >To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > > Hello > I have a 4 frame electric tangential extractor for sale. (Little >Wonder >Power) The extractor I think is new (no dents or scratches) but the >electric drive shows some use. 250.00 firm. > I live about 25 miles north of Kansas City MO. In a town called >Trimble. > > >Ken Lawrence >beeman52@worldnet.att.net >Trimble, Mo 64492 > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 01:42:56 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "" Subject: Laidlaw & Page: Queen Rearing and Bee Breeding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A general note: Publication of the Laidlaw-Page book was delayed a few weeks, but I am pleased (and relieved) to report that the final print authorization went out today, and I expect the books at the end of the month. At 91, Professor Harry Laidlaw has put a great deal of himself into this book. He considers it the best book on queen rearing and an introduction to bee breeding. Professor Rob Page has added considerably to the genetics section, yet kept it readable for most beekeepers. If you have ordered to book, thank you for being patient. FYI: Queen rearing and bee breeding, 224 pages, softcover, large format, $25 plus $2.50 surface postage worldwide. Discounts available for quantity purchases. Larry Connor Ph.D. Editor and Publisher Wicwas Press LLC PO Box 817 Cheshire CT 06410 phone and fax 203 250 7575 ljconnor@aol.com Website under development: www.beebooks.com (not much there right now) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:50:00 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Thomas D. Harker" Subject: Re: FGMO, where does it go? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:15 PM 2/3/98 +0000, you wrote: >In message <15102466637143@systronix.net>, Excerpts from BEE-L > writes >>I imagine most of the FGMO is absorbed in wooden ware, >I haven't tried FGMO yet, but was wondering. If some is absorbed by the >woodwork - as it must be - does it have a similar affect as petroleum >jelly (vaseline) on the building of brace comb?? >-- >Tom Speight >South Lakes >Cumbria UK Yes, I have seen a reduction (or elimination) of brace comb attached to the top bars of my hives since I started applying FGMO. Tom - 2 hives - Rockford, IL ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:25:32 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: tomas mozer Subject: beekeeping in dominica,w.i. going to dominica next week to participate in a youth beekeeping training...any apicultural information/contacts would bee appreciated, thanks! tomasmozer@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:29:39 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Extractor In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, I have a two-frame manual, s/s, like new, dirt cheap. Make offer. Rcvd in trade. Thanks. **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:04:11 -0600 Reply-To: Charles Harper Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Charles Harper Subject: Re: old eguipment. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:42:14 -0500, Conrad Sigona wrote: >> I have a few months before my bees get here and was wondering if >> soaking or washing the frames with Chlorine bleach would be safe. I >> would then put the frames outside to dry. I would think that the smell >> of the bleach would be gone after a few weeks if not days. >> What more do I need to do to insure that there is nothing alive in >> this old stuff so I can use it this spring? I have new frames but would >> like to re-use the old ones as I have 100 or more. > >I don't like the bleach part. When the bleach dries, the crystalline >solid will still be in the wood and turn to bleach again when it gets >damp. You'll have to rinse it a lot to make sure the bleach is gone. > >Conrad Sigona >conrad@ntcnet.com > Also bleach dosen't destroy American Foulbrood spores, personial expericence has showed me that you will be wasting your time if that was your intention. A good scorching will be better if the frames were exposed to A.F. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:20:07 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eric Abell Subject: Pollen traps and supercedure Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Many of you have used prollen traps for a long time. Would you please give us your observations of the affect of these traps on supercedure. Eric Eric Abell Gibbons, Alberta Canada T0A 1N0 Ph/fax (403) 998 3143 eabell@compusmart.ab.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:53:59 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: El Nino report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Why do I have the nagging suspicion that the extreme El Nino is our doing? We've had a year's rainfall since Christmas. All the rivers are outside their banks. Yesterday, we added 4-5 inches more, and it is still raining lightly this morning. It's been warm, too. The spring peepers have been hollaring most every night through January. Maple blossoms are open; dandelions too. Pear trees around town broke into blossom earlier this week. I can't believe they could survive to actual production, as we are bound to have freezes yet. The bees have been very active, yet have no real nectar supply available yet, so I suspect they will require a lot of feeding this spring. Every time it freezes on open blooms, the supply is cut off for a few days. I see El Nino is hammering the left coast, too, and the northeast has certainly had its turn, probably will again, as this massive storm moves on up, so I shouldn't complain. There are folks who scoff at the idea of global warming and the extremes that it supposedly brings. I don't. You heard that NASA had to cancel their latest (top secret!) mission? They had planned to send some astronauts to search for habitable planets to colonize on nearby solar systems. Just before liftoff they had to abort their plans, for fear of the publicity, if it leaked out that the animals were lining up, two by two, at the Kennedy Space Center. ;<) Well, I've got to go wading in the mud. A bee yard I've had for 12 years changed property owners. The new guy says he will have me arrested for trespassing, If I don't move the bees within the week........(sigh) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:08:53 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: old eguipment. In-Reply-To: <199802041404.IAA27243@mailroom.iamerica.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Also bleach dosen't destroy American Foulbrood spores, personial expericence has showed me that you will be wasting your time if that was your intention. A good scorching will be better if the frames were exposed to A.F. Frankly any of these actions are a waste of time and hard on the equipment. They do keep the beekeeper busy and out of trouble for the time it takes, though. And it appeals strongly to those who have a need to do *something*, no matter how futile and wasteful of time and resources. It's much like sacrificing virgins to ensure the year's corn crop: of doubtful value, but impossible to debunk to the believers. There is a lot of detailed discussion on this in the logs, so I won't go into it here. I will allow this much though: in an area where no drugs are permitted, scorching of the boxes may have *some* value. However I suspect that the usefulness of these efforts is mostly psychological. Allen --- Think you missed something? Wondering exactly what was happening on BEE-L? Simply send email to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU saying SEND BEE-L LOG9801A You'll get the full proceedings of the week. In this example A = first week, 01 = Jan, 98 = 1998 Logs are available back to 1994 or so ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:23:05 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Pollen traps and supercedure In-Reply-To: <199802041420.HAA02353@bernie.compusmart.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Re question of pollen traps and supersedure I've run traps for 16 years, usually seven per year. I see absolutely NO connection. As you know, when the queen pheromone is diminishing in the hive, supersedure kicks in. This has nothing to do with an installed trap, IMHO, but with a failing queen. jack in Maryland On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Eric Abell wrote: > Many of you have used prollen traps for a long time. Would you please give > us your observations of the affect of these traps on supercedure. > > Eric > > Eric Abell > Gibbons, Alberta Canada T0A 1N0 > Ph/fax (403) 998 3143 > eabell@compusmart.ab.ca > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:32:30 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: El Nino report In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You write that the bees will require much feeding this spring because of the warm weather conditions. Hey, I've been Boardman feeding my bees (100/sugar-50--it doesn't freeze as rapidly as 50/50) since Nov to prolong and/or stimulate broodrearing so that come the honeyflow here in Central Maryland, the bee population will be tops, leading to a larger honey harvest. Cheers. **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:41:45 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: old eguipment--torching? Comments: To: Allen Dick In-Reply-To: <15093952840058@internode.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I normally agree with prolific Allen Dick but if he says that scorching with a propane torch to clean up old frames/boxes, etc. for any reason is futile, I DON'T agree, based upon my own many years of experience in apiology and discussions with other pertinent individals. **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:29:09 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Conni Still (Long Island)" Subject: Re: BEE-L Digest - kitchen decorating Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I too am redecorating my kitchen- no wall paper, but an excellent selection of fabrics from Debbie Mumm, Diana Marcum for Marcus Bros Textiles, and Country Bears at Heart, also At Home With Mary Engelbreit for VIP Cranston Print Works. There are some excellent bee-related home decor items available from the Armchair Shopper,1,800-729-1111; The Paragon, 1-800-343-3095, and Seasons, 1-800-776-9677, and Terry's Village, 1-800-200-4400 as well as some wonderful things designed by Carol Endress in many stores and catalogs.Happy decorating! Conni Stillm Bayport, Long Island, 4 hives 16 years.(Has anyone seen a brass bell shaped like a skep?) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:32:23 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: George W Imirie Subject: Re: Laidlaw & Page: Queen Rearing and Bee Breeding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Larry, Add me to your list for Laidlaw's book. I will mail you my check for 27.50 today. George ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:10:05 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Wow! It Works MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/beeads/ is the site I developed some time back for advertising all your bee related needs and desires. As you may recall, when my ISP wasn't acting up, FrontPage 97 was asking for a password or mixing up the messages. Well, I happened by there today and lo and behold! it is working just the way it is supposed to -- and people are using it. You are invited to drop by and advertise free of charge for whatever you need to buy or want to sell. There are no strings attached to using it. I only ask that users stay within the bounds of good taste and that they specify exactly where they are located, since usage is worldwide. Phone or fax numbers are a good idea to increase your response -- as is your email address. Commercial use by dealers and publications is welcome as long as the site is not abused by huge promos. Some of the things that spring to mind: Buy/sell hives and equipment Find package bees and queens nearby Locate a job Find a helper Find a mentor Find a partner Find a bee club near you Find a husband/wife Find information Since it is working now and some of the old ads are way out of date, I'll likely delete the old ones periodically. For that reason, please renew your ad every month or two. Enjoy. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:27:03 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Mites, FGMO, Fluvalunate, Formic acid and my/your health MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 aG9pIGFsbCwNCg0KQWZ0ZXIgdGhyZWUgeWVhcnMgdXNpbmcgdGhlICJEUk9ORU1FVEhPRCIg YW5kDQpub3cgcmVuZXcgYWxsIHRoZSBmcmFtZXMhIQ0KDQpJIGNhbiBzYXk6DQoNCiJPdXIg YmVlcyBhcmUgdHJlYXRlZCBhZ2FpbnN0IGRpc2Vhc2VzIGFuZCBwZXN0cyB1c2luZyBvbmx5 IGEgYmlvLXRlY2huaWMgbWV0aG9kLg0KTm8gdXNlIG9mIGluc2VjdGljaWRlLCBoZXJiaWNp ZGUgb3IgYW55IG90aGVyIGRldmljZSBoYXMgYmVlbiB1c2VkLiINCg0KVGhhdCB3aWxsIGJl IGEgbmljZSBsYWJlbCBvbiB0aGUgamFycy4gIDstKQ0KDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LnhzNGFsbC5u bC9+anRlbXAvZHJvbmVtZWhvZC5odG1sDQotLQ0KsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCw sLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwDQpKYW4gVGVtcGVsbWFuIC8gSW5l a2UgRHJhYmJlICAgICB8ICAgICBFTUFJTDpqdGVtcEB4czRhbGwubmwNClN0ZXJyZW1vcyAx NiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIDMwNjkgQVMgUm90dGVyZGFtLCBUaGUgTmV0aGVybGFuZHMNClRl bC9GYXggKFNPTUVUSU1FUykgWFggMzEgKDApMTAtNDU2OTQxMg0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy54czRh bGwubmwvfmp0ZW1wL2luZGV4My5odG1sDQqwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCw sLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLANCg0K ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:31:54 -1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MARK G SPAGNOLO Subject: Pollen traps & supercedure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aloha: I am in disagreement with John concerning supercedure and pollen traps. I see a definate connection between the rate of supercedure with pollen traps and without. Usually I install the traps in groups of 50. I know that the 50 hives currently trapping pollen will have around 10% supercedure within a month of installing the traps. Other yards of 50 in the same area at the same time will not have any supercedure. The advertisement seen in the bee journals for pollen traps from a particular company states that honey production will increase with traps. I would like to see some proof. My experience has been the opposite. All of my hives have young queens (I requeen every hive in October of every year), and all hives are run in double deeps. My advise if you are going to trap pollen; have a good supply of queens available when you initially install the traps and watch for dwindling. Pollen trapping has been very profitable for me. I make a lot more money on pollen than honey. Here in Hawaii I can trap pollen for nine or ten months of the year and I average around a pound of pollen per week per hive. I hope this information helped. Mark in Hawaii ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:43:16 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Pollen traps, supersedeure, etc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I don't trap enough pollen to have what I consider an informed opinion. I only own one pollen trap (Stauffer's pollen trap) and I have never noticed increased supersedure on whatever hive it's installed (my queens are marked, so I'd know). Jack says no, Mark says yes. Mark's sampling set is larger than Jack's, I believe but do not know that Jack has been doing it longer. I wonder if the difference in opinion might be due to trap design? Jack uses Stauffer's. What design does Mark use? Then again, the difference in opinion could be that Mark and Jack are both beekeepers. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:05:03 -0400 Reply-To: rossybee@entelchile.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rossy Castillo Subject: Especies de APIS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Diego: you can contact with me , I will send you all the information, in Spanish. During more than 6 years I was the Director of the Beekeeping School in Mendoza. Now I live in my country:Chile.Contact me. Hola Diego: Puedes comunicarte directamente conmigo por el tema "Especies", te enviari informacisn en Castellano. Durante mas de 6 aqos fum Directora de la Escuela de Apicultura de ACUDA, Mendoza. Ahora vivo en mi pams: Chile. Contactate conmigo. ROSSY CASTILLO rossybee@enetelchile.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:08:34 -0400 Reply-To: rossybee@entelchile.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rossy Castillo Subject: Please, correct! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit HI : I4ve just realized I made a mistake in my e-mail . It is rossybee@entelchile.net Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:19:12 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tom Speight Subject: Re: kitchen decorating In-Reply-To: <17164779740562@systronix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <17164779740562@systronix.net>, Excerpts from BEE-L writes >(Has anyone seen a brass bell shaped like a skep?) Yes I have one - about 4inches (10cms) high. -- Tom Speight South Lakes Cumbria UK ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:57:46 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: Fw: Mites, FGMO, Fluvalunate, Formic acid and my/your health MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -----Original Message----- From: Midnitebee To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Mites, FGMO, Fluvalunate, Formic acid and my/your health > > > >>it takes my 3 years to get all the fluvalunate frame out and distroyed >aha..so you are only changing the frames for the reason to "destroy" the >chemicals ? >I change my frames every 2-3 years as a GOOD housekeeping practice. A clean >hive is a happy hive, is this not true? >I have been removing drone larvae as a good practice for the mite control, >if the queen is a drone layer, I will replace her with a "fresh" queen. >It was "warm" the last two days and I was able to check my hives..all hives >are "boiling" with bees and I made sure that they were feed. >One hive at this time might not survive..not enough bees. >I want to thank-you for all the information you have given the bee "group" >and I visit your page often to learn as much as I can. >A mind is a terrible thing to waste..and I try to learn as much as possble. >Thank-you >Herb(midnitebee) > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:59:33 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: Fw: Mites, FGMO, Fluvalunate, Formic acid and my/your health MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -----Original Message----- From: Jan Tempelman To: Midnitebee Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Mites, FGMO, Fluvalunate, Formic acid and my/your health >it takes my 3 years to get all the fluvalunate frame out and distroyed > >eating is good!! > >jan > >Midnitebee wrote: > >> Greetings! >> hmmmm..I should have been a scientist..been doing this type of procedu= re for >> the last 5 years, except I do not eat the drone(larvae), YUK!! >> Curiosity....you mention that you change >> the frames..how often do you do that? three years also? >> Holly-B Apiary >> P.O.Box 26 >> Wells,Maine 04090-0026 >> www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee > >> =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0 > >Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl >Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands >Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 >http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html >=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0 > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:59:49 +1300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Nick Wallingford Organization: Bay of Plenty Polytechnic Subject: Re: old eguipment--torching? Comments: cc: HRRRMG@HRR1.HORT.CRI.NZ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I normally agree with prolific Allen Dick but if he says that > scorching with a propane torch to clean up > old frames/boxes, etc. for any reason is futile, > I DON'T agree, based upon my own many years of > experience in apiology and discussions with other > pertinent individals. I've recently been reading historical material back into the first part of the century related to AFB control - all the popular methods of McEvoy, etc, as well as a lot of 'home grown' NZ methods of the day. Scorching of boxes was an accepted practice at one time in NZ but is no longer allowed or considered effective. As we do not feed antibiotics to control/suppress/cure AFB, my reading of the history is that it became abundantly apparent that scorching did not render boxes safe to put on 'clean' hives. I will qualify that with one comment from an old beekeeper that scorching can be *very* effective, but only if you scorch both inside and outside of the box, and make sure the scorching meets in the middle... Perhaps Dr Mark Goodwin, who has done extensive research related to AFB infection and detection, would make some comments to the list? (\ Nick Wallingford {|||8- home nickw@beekeeping.co.nz (/ work nw1@boppoly.ac.nz NZ Beekeeping http://www.beekeeping.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:41:33 -0800 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: FGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At a trade show I talked with a supplier of Food Grade Mineral Oil. His comments were interesting. First, he said FGMO is about 3-5 times more expensive than Pharmaceutical grade MO. Bulk PGMO is about 1.50 a gallon. The only difference is FGMO is fabricated in "clean rooms", but it is the same stuff as PGMO. He asked how we were going to use it- told him in the hive. He asked why we needed FGMO vrs PGMO when we were going to use it in a totally unclean environment, the inside of a hive. I could not really answer that. (By the way, PGMO is the MO we use for making beeswax hand cream. So it is OK for putting on your hands... which touch food, but not OK for the inside of a hive, which few of us will be gnawing on.) If the rational is that we do not want to be accused of putting an unclean substance in our hives, then we should start sterilizing hive tools. I think we may be in overkill with FGMO when PGMO is as good and has no health risk and is much cheaper. Plus, you know that many beekeepers will use PGMO because it is cheaper and there is no way to tell the difference after it is in the hive. Would appreciate your comments, thoughts. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:47:16 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Conrad Sigona Subject: Re: FGMO Comments: To: Bill Truesdell In-Reply-To: <34D926DD.5990F49C@clinic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > At a trade show I talked with a supplier of Food Grade Mineral Oil. His > comments were interesting. First, he said FGMO is about 3-5 times more > expensive than Pharmaceutical grade MO. Bulk PGMO is about 1.50 a > gallon. The only difference is FGMO is fabricated in "clean rooms", but > it is the same stuff as PGMO. An argument can be made that if the oil gets into the honey, the honey will still be considered edible if the oil is food grade to begin with. Conrad Sigona conrad@ntcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:51:17 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Pollen traps & supercedure In-Reply-To: <199802041730.MAA54112@mail1y-int.prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Aloha's experience does not jibe with mine of the past 16 years. He's a large-scale commercial man; I'm just a little hobbyist. Suum cuique. On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, MARK G SPAGNOLO wrote: > Aloha: > > I am in disagreement with John concerning supercedure and pollen traps. I > see a definate connection between the rate of supercedure with pollen traps > and without. > > Usually I install the traps in groups of 50. I know that the 50 hives > currently trapping pollen will have around 10% supercedure within a month > of installing the traps. Other yards of 50 in the same area at the same > time will not have any supercedure. > > The advertisement seen in the bee journals for pollen traps from a > particular company states that honey production will increase with traps. > I would like to see some proof. My experience has been the opposite. > > All of my hives have young queens (I requeen every hive in October of every > year), and all hives are run in double deeps. > > My advise if you are going to trap pollen; have a good supply of queens > available when you initially install the traps and watch for dwindling. > > Pollen trapping has been very profitable for me. I make a lot more money > on pollen than honey. Here in Hawaii I can trap pollen for nine or ten > months of the year and I average around a pound of pollen per week per > hive. > > I hope this information helped. > > Mark in Hawaii > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:40:21 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Pollen traps Comments: To: "Barricklow, Walt" In-Reply-To: <19980204163227537.AAA137@DEFAULT.barnwellsc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pollen traps should bee put only on one's STRONGEST colonies and never on package bees which need all the pollen they can get when starting out! Bonne chance! On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Barricklow, Walt wrote: > I just bought a pollen trap and want to try it this year. Ive never used > it before. Can I put it on a > new hive, of package bees, or is it best on an established hive? WALT in > S.C. > > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:47:15 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Mites, FGMO, Fluvalunate, Formic acid and my/your health Comments: To: Jan Tempelman In-Reply-To: <34D888C2.721680F9@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sounds like the label on the jars of honey I sell from my front door: 100% RAW/UNFILTERED Pure - Organic H O N E Y wildflower On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Jan Tempelman wrote: > hoi all, >=20 > After three years using the "DRONEMETHOD" and > now renew all the frames!! >=20 > I can say: >=20 > "Our bees are treated against diseases and pests using only a bio-technic= method. > No use of insecticide, herbicide or any other device has been used." >=20 > That will be a nice label on the jars. ;-) >=20 > http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/dronemehod.html > -- > =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0 > Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | EMAIL:jtemp@xs4all.nl > Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands > Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 > http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html > =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0= =B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0=B0 >=20 >=20 **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D.=20 **38 years in apiculture =20 **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon=20 **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey=20 **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est]=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:41:22 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Alden P. Marshall" Subject: Re: Pollen traps and supersedure Been using pollen traps for 10 years+. Hesitate if they are influential in supersedure though. I think it is obvious though that if a trapped colony does supersede the consequences can be more detrimental, queen not likely to get out and even less likely to get back in. Thus one has 1) a drone laying queen or 2) laying workers and perhaps a colony started under the bottom board (from the queen that got out and couldn't get back in. IMHO these are the primary drawbacks to trapping pollen. Alden Marshall B-Line Apiaries Hudson, NH 03051 Busybee9@Juno.com tel. 603-883-6764 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:49:33 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Interesting use of frames Hi All Recently I took over twenty beehives from another farmer who has got too busy to care for them. He inherited them from a man in his 90's who decided to scale down his operation and gave sets of twenty to people he believed were promising beekeepers. Anyhow, he used a deep brood box, and a shallow brood box combination. He used in the deep brood box a spacing of one deep frame and one shallow frame. The bees then attached a piece of comb to the bottom of the shallow frame. He used all shallow supers for honey extraction. I asked as to the logic: The answer was as follows: He would get the bees to draw deep frames, and then they will draw a shallow frame inbetween two deeps to the same size. The shallows can then all be moved to the center of the brood nest and can be used for brood rearing until dark. Then he cuts the added comb bit and moves the frame into a honey super, where it will never blow out when extracted. The wax from the other piece is used to provide foundation for a new frame. The deep frames are kept mainly on the outside for pollen storage and also for the end two frames of honey, which he extracted each time just before moving these frames to the ceter to draw new shallows. Seemed like a nice system, but too messy and bitty for my liking. Keep well Garth --- Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries 15 Park Road Apis melifera capensis Grahamstown 800mm annual precipitation 6139 Eastern Cape South Africa Phone 27-0461-311663 On holiday for a few months Rhodes University Which means: working with bees 15 hours a day! Interests: Fliis and bees Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post in no way reflect those of Rhodes University. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:54:30 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Peter Hutton Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers Subject: Talcum powder CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 437 MSGID: 240:244/116 29f2607f REPLY: 240:44/0 c4160795 PID: FDAPX/w 1.12a UnReg(200) BL> Upon returning from a Christmas trip to England, a member of BL> the Comox Valley Beekeepers Association reported of an BL> article read in a (national) newspaper that the three BL> accepted treatments for Varroa mites are considered to be: BL> Apistan, fourmic acid and talcum powder. Unfortunately he was BL> not able to gather any information on the talcum powder BL> treatment. Do any BEE-Lers, especially in the UK know BL> anything about this or is it just a red herring? BL> have a BEEutiful day ;-) BL> Urs Schaufelbuehl BL> urschau@mars.ark.com Hallo, Talcum powder is not a red herring, I know a renowned british beekeeping lecturer who uses Talcum. I don't as the results are not good enough and the treatment is wasteful of time both for me and I believe the bees. Talcum firstly causes loss of physical adhesion to the bees, next it makes the bees groom themselves free of the powder. Do they then groom off any remaining mites?? If so then that is a good thing. The mites have good suckers on the bottoms of their feet so I have read, I ought to verify this under the microscope. Apistan (Fluvalinate) is an illegal treatment here in the UK at present. There is only one lawful treatment and that is Bayvarol (Flumethrin) I use Formic acid at 60-85% strength, there are a number of Evaporators on the market. CAUTION, formic acid is very corrosive to human tissue and proper protective clothing and precautions must be observed. If you are not used to handling dangerous chemicals then DO NOT use until you have received instructions from and seen a capable person handling these hazardous materials. Wear face protection including a mask that removes acid fumes, wear acid resistant elbow length gloves, wear a thick rubber apron, wear rubber boots. Use a syringe or laboratory flexible wash flask with tube for dispensing acid. Etc. Make yourself a fume cabinet for decanting perhaps. I do very little of what I advise, I decant acid inside a barn out of the wind but with plenty of air to disperse the fumes, I use a purpose made pump to draw the acid from a barrel into a smaller container, then a syringe to draw the acid from the container and to discharge into the evaporator. I wear acid resistant gloves, these are tight fitting. When filling several containers I use a full face mask and filter. (Available from RACAL) I transport the containers within a larger sealed plastic container with sawdust packing, this is a precaution against traffic accidents causing spillage. I also have three to five gallons of water close by in case of accidental spillage. The Law here requires that if you transport hazardous chemicals in a vehicle, there must be a separate compartment for the material and that you display a Hazchem sign with the correct definition on it. All information is given in good faith, it is for you however to check the regulations that may exist in your Country and to comply with any laws or regulations. The information I give may not be sufficiently comprehensive for an inexperienced person, do find a capable instructor. Best wishes from the Garden of England Peter Hutton --- * Origin: Kent Beekeeper Beenet Point (240:244/116) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:51:50 -0800 Reply-To: vcoppola@froggernet.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vince Coppola Subject: Scorching AFB infected equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents on this one. Here in NY state, back when we had an inspection crew, most parts of beehives found to be infected with AFB were were destoyed by fire. All bees, frames, comb, honey, and any other parts that were in poor condition had to be burned and the ashes buried with 18" soil cover. Tops, bottoms, and supers were scorched to a depth of about 1/16" on the inside. Before use the supers had to be scraped down to bare wood. No wax or propolis was to be left. There is alot of scorched equipment in NY and I have never heard anyone suspect it a source of re contamination. When this practice began back in the early 30's AFB was epidemic in NY. A WNY beekeeper, Howard Minnic, who was the foreman of the first inspection crew here in NY, told me that they burned 500 to 750 colonies per week in the 1st season. Inspection records show that the rate decreased to the 1-3% range. This rate continued untill spending cutbacks reduced the size of the inspection force. I have seen similar data from other states. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:18:53 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Partin Subject: scorching AFB Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Here is my 2cents . I keep 500 -1000 hives in Fla. for about 12 years . I bought all my equip ment used. I had a lot of AFB until I started useing patties and the mites came along. The patties made sure I had timely application of terra. I think the mites kill all the wild bees so this might help keep down reinfestation. I think we are exposed to AFB a lot and if we are our only defence is med. I think we have to assume that we have spores in our hives all the time. We also want to by queens from a very good queen producer. I do not think that scorching your boxes does much good because you are going to get exposed again shortly unless you have got your bees trained not to rob. This is just some things we need to think about. I have not had a problem with AFB and my bees are exposed to more other hives in the spring than any where in the world. BUD ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:22:05 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Interesting use of frames In-Reply-To: <92C1176000@warthog.ru.ac.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Tre`s interessant but too work intensive. Simple beekeeping is already too much work! **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:50:23 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: On Processing Pollen Comments: To: "Barricklow, Walt" In-Reply-To: <19980205114202215.AAA180@DEFAULT.barnwellsc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A CAPITAL REPLY FOR EASE OF READING. IF YOU CHECK THE SEPTEMBER 1992 ISSUE OF ABJ, PAGE 599, YOU'LL SEE PICS AND TEXT ON HOW I PROCESS MY FRESH POLLEN. BONNE CHANCE! On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Barricklow, Walt wrote: > TNX for the info John. Only the strongest hive it is. Is there any info > anywhere on the drying, > cleaning, using of the pollen crystals? > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:54:27 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Talcum powder In-Reply-To: <886624192@amigabee.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The message about the use of talcum powder in the hive for mite prevention, T- or V-mite, was very informative. Thanks. **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:00:52 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Scorching AFB infected equipment Comments: To: Vince Coppola In-Reply-To: <34D93756.3FA69FF5@froggernet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When I get old equipment, I always torch. I've never had a case of AFB (my fingers are still crossed) in 38 years. The standard treatment for AFB in Maryland was burning the boxes and burning--as elsewhere-- until the state inspector got an ETO chamber and used it for years, until ethyleneoxide was found 2 B carcinogenic and disbarred by EPA? I think he's in the process of getting the use of ETO reinstated for bee use. **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:42:13 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Re: Pollen traps and supersedure You say "have been using pollen traps for 10 years...". Interesting, as I see you are in the Northeast. With our relatively high humidity, do you dry the pollen? If you do, how do you do it? If you don't, do you have trouble with mold? Do you sell the pollen, or just use it as feed? I understand that many beekeepers in the Northeast have given up on pollen trapping (for sale) because of high humidity problems, so I think your experience will be valuable to others. -----Original Message----- From: Alden P. Marshall To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Pollen traps and supersedure >Been using pollen traps for 10 years+. Hesitate if they are influential >in supersedure though. I think it is obvious though that if a trapped >colony does supersede the consequences can be more detrimental, queen not >likely to get out and even less likely to get back in. Thus one has 1) a >drone laying queen or 2) laying workers and perhaps a colony started >under the bottom board (from the queen that got out and couldn't get back >in. IMHO these are the primary drawbacks to trapping pollen. > >Alden Marshall >B-Line Apiaries >Hudson, NH 03051 >Busybee9@Juno.com >tel. 603-883-6764 > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:27:42 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Info in the Beta issue of February Apis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable VARROA CERTIFICATION CHANGES IN FLORIDA: The Apiary Section of the Division of Plant Industry wrote to all registered beekeepers in Florida on January 6, 1998, the following: As a result of recent discoveries of Varroa mites that are resistant to Apistan=AE treatments, we will no longer require proof of treatment for certification. Current requirements are: 1. An average of two mites or less on a post-treatment survey of five percent of the colonies in a yard (with a minimum of 10 hives per yard where applicable) using the standard ether roll of approximately 200 bees. Past research has indicated a doubling of Varroa mites every six weeks under Florida conditions, therefore listed below are levels that will provide equitable certification in cases where we are unable to survey immediately after treatment. 1. A tolerance of four mites in a six weeks post-treatment. 2. A tolerance of eight mites in a 12 weeks post-treatment. Apistan=AE is still effective in most Florida operations and is still the recommended treatment. However, a post-treatment survey should be done to confirm its efficacy. Efforts are underway to obtain an alternative treatment. The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services - Division of Plant Industry is requesting $100,000 in our budget for mite research. This would be given as grants to qualified researchers. Your support of this effort with your local legislative representative would be appreciated. If you have any questions, call the Gainesville office at (352) 372-3505 ext. 114, Tom Dowda, Northern Regional Supervisor, at (904) 454-3786 or Richard Dunaway, Southern Regional Supervisor, at (941) 291-5218. Again, it must be emphasized that the one registered legal product, Apistan=AE, is still effective in the vast majority of Florida apiaries. However, its use must be more carefully monitored to confirm its ability to kill mites as discussed in the August 1997 APIS . This mirrors experience in France where resistance of Varroa to Apistan=AE was been confirmed in the south, but has yet to be seen in most of the rest of the country, March 1997 APIS . Based on the Italian experience, the Beltsville Bee Laboratory is developing a test to help beekeepers determine fluvalinate's effectiveness level. Details will be made available as soon as possible on this technology. In the meantime, beekeepers should act to conserve Apistan's=AE effectiveness as long as possible as outlined in the February 1995 APIS . A comment from Dr. Roger Hoopingarner, now retired from Michigan State University, got some attention. Many of the symptoms of the problems being described, he said, were reminiscent of those found by investigators looking at the effects of sublethal doses of fluvalinate on colonies. Long-term exposure to fluvalinate treatment has been associated with a reduction in honey yield as discussed in the April 1992 APIS . The fact that this pesticide was also bioaccumulating in the wax, Dr. Hoopingarner said, means that there continues to be more and more of the material in the bee's environment. Other effects of this phenomenon were described in the August 1996 APIS) . ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:29:30 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Al Needham Subject: Announcement " Ye Olde Honey Bee Book Shoppe " has just undergone a major renovation and is now offering Books in the following subject areas: Honey Bees & Beekeeping Yummy Honey Recipes Bee Products - Properties & Applications Pollination Comb Honey Candle Making, Dipping & Rolling Books can be shipped anywhere in the world. Gift Card / Wrapping is available. Visit the Shoppe at: http://www.xensie.com/users/alwine/books.html Thank you for taking the time to read this message. Al, -------------------------------------------------------------------- <"Mailto: awneedham@juno.com" > Scituate,Massachusetts,USA The Beehive-Educational Honey Bee Site Visit Ye Olde Honey Bee Book Shoppe http://www.xensei.com/users/alwine _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:50:15 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: FGMO and PGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to All: Although the question has not been addressed to me, I thought that perhaps I should answer being that I am the "father of the creature." Yes, I am very much aware of the existence of PGMO. Those who read my files will notice tht I describe the reason for selecting FGMO with abundace of detail. For those of you who may have missed it, please let me state it again. FGMO is approved by the federal government (hence also state governments) in the USA for use in food handling operations. While PGMO might be slightly priced below the cost of FGMO, PGMO does not have approval from the government as a substance that can be applied to the "tools" for food handling. Since honey is food, I think that the reason should be clear to everyone especially with the possibility of honey being subject to regulatory procedures in the near future. With a lifetime experience in food hygiene, I would never advocate the use of a substance that does not meet hygienic standards. Perhaps when the use of mineral oil as a bee miticide (as I have not doubt that it will become!), beekeepers and honey packers will lobby the government for approval of PGMO as an accepted substance that can be utilized in honey handling operations. I would also like to emphasize for those of you who may have missed my post. A few days back I posted to Bee-L the names of two major distributors of mineral oil in the United States including their telephone numbers; (one of them is a free call: 1-800-245-3952). Good luck to all of you in the coming beekeeping season. Best regards. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:07:50 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Pollen Trapping Affect Honey Production? (ctd) Comments: cc: frank j kovac , Romanik John , Bruno Reich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This message is based on 15 years of pollen trapping, as a h o b b y beekeeper never opeating more than 30 hives at one time--I now have 12--nor more than seven Stauffer pollen traps--still using seven. BTW, the best out there, for my money, having used 11 different trap configurations, is that made by Stauffer of Penna. IMHO, collecting pollen does not affect amount of surplus honey harvested, if one is using the proper trap and knows how to manipulate it. Here are the reasons: (1) The bees collect nectar (okay, surplus "honey") in central Maryland only during the honeyflow, that is, May 1 - June 1, when the black locust and tulip poplar trees are in bloom. Even tho on the hives, the pollen traps are turned off during that time--not removed, but turned off--if one uses that type of trap that sits on the bottom board and has a sliding front member: by lowering it, the bottom board entrance is closed off: the bees enter the hive ABOVE the trap, thus keeping their pollen loads, by not forcing them to go thru the stripper screens or whatever (I prefer traps w/ a punched-plate stripper, and NOT two offset screens). (2) Obiter dicta: Remember, the bees are still carrying honey. The pollen is carried into the hive on the bee's two hindmost legs, a pellet each, whereas the nectar (potential honey) is brought in via the honey stomach, whether the bees are collecting pollen or not. (3) "The proper trap?" The Stauffer trap has t h r e e internal beeways: one across the front and one each on the long sides, whereas of the ten others I've seen or used have only o n e: the opening across the front. This severely restricts movement of the bees into and out of the hive. I rest my case. Thanks for bearing with me. Jack the Bman **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:05:18 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Radar Tracking of Bees, Riley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi: The name is Joe Riley in England. Just got an e-mail. This system is not commercially available nor affordable for most individuals. The Canadian's have had some success with hand-held radar guns used to find people trapped in an avalanch. Still pricey at @$7000 for a full system. Cheap if you are the one buried under the snow. Not so cheap for tracking bees. Jerry Jerry J. Bromenshenk, Ph.D. Director, DOE/EPSCoR & Montana Organization for Research in Energy The University of Montana-Missoula Missoula, MT 59812-1002 E-Mail: jjbmail@selway.umt.edu Tel: 406-243-5648 Fax: 406-243-4184 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:10:38 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Web Page Mini-Group Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi: A few of you are building or have pages. This topic does not seem to appeal to most of the list, but some have expressed an interest. If you'd like to form a discussion group about web pages, interactive databases, how to make them, how to make them work, tricks, etc. please contact me directly. DO NOT SEND YOUR RESPONSE TO BEE-L, I get too much mail already from folks complaining that technology is not part of Bee-L's discussion. If you have not done so, you may wish to check out our JAVA graphing honey bee foraging and weather data sets. We have posted 2 weeks of bee activity for Montana and the appropriate weather data as well as internal hive temperature data. You can learn a lot about what influences flight activity, time lags, etc. by checking these out and/or downloading the actual datafiles into spreadsheets. This is real data from 7 very real and fully functional hives. http://grizzly.umt.edu/biology/bees Thanks Jerry J. Bromenshenk, Ph.D. Director, DOE/EPSCoR & Montana Organization for Research in Energy The University of Montana-Missoula Missoula, MT 59812-1002 E-Mail: jjbmail@selway.umt.edu Tel: 406-243-5648 Fax: 406-243-4184 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:34:41 -0500 Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kathy Hough Organization: Red Maple Farm Subject: Re: Wallpaper search Comments: To: wishin@datacruz.com, jhpowers@sccoast.net, mpcenterprises@mci2000.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > To everyone looking for bee wallpaper,There are a number of patterns available right now... My current favorite (and the one that i bought for the office area of our honey house) is by Osborne and Little and is part of the Nina Campbell collection--it's ~3/4" bumble type bees "flying" every which way over a very subtly (dotted) "honeycombed" background of an otherwise solid background. There were 6 or 7 different background colors available, some with more obvious honeycomb "dots" than others. Another bee paper is a border from Brunschwig (sp?) & Fils that has a 2-3 foot repeating pattern of skep and flowers with bees flying overhead. It was available in 4 or 5 different colors in 1992 when we bought it. Two other sources (with several papers & borders to choose from) are both distributed by Imperial and are in the "Be Home" book and one (or two) of the Gear company books. These papers and borders have a more rustic and country feel than the other two. I've found out about these wallpapers from my local paint and wallpaper store who (like everyone else in our small town) is aware that we are beekeepers and collectors of bee stuff and brought them to our attention. Even if your local wallpaper store hasn't ever thought to look for bees in wallpaper, there is a reference book for many wallpaper companies that lists papers by category (like shells, or ducks, or bees) that you might ask your local store to look up for you. Don't know if any of the companies that I mentioned has a web page, but they might... they're certainly large enough companies to merit the investment. Good luck to you all, Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:16:51 +0100 Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: Re: Web Page Mini-Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry J Bromenshenk wrote: > > Hi: > > A few of you are building or have pages. This topic does not seem to > appeal to most of the list, but some have expressed an interest. > > If you'd like to form a discussion group about web pages, interactive > databases, how to make them, how to make them work, tricks, etc. please > contact me directly. Hi Jerry - I obviously have interests in this area and would like to be involved in a group of this nature if the time permits.. Please keep me informed of the progress on forming the group and I'd hope to be able to participate if the volume isn't too great. Regards -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:39:06 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Beemaid Subject: Re: FGMO -- [ From: Beemaid * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I am assuming that when you say pharmaceutical grade mineral oil you are referring to USP or British Pharmacopoeia Standards. If this is the case, then the item about the only difference with FGMO is being fabricated in "clean" rooms is false, because in order to meet Pharmaceutical standards it has to be manufactured or fabricated in "CLEAN" room conditions. As for why to use Food Grade vs Pharmaceutical Grade, if in the off chance that some of the mineral oil gets into the honey or wax and has a chance of being ingested by some one, that is the justification for using Food Grade. Just like in food processing plants where they have to use FOOD GRADE grease where there is the possibility of contact with the food product. I hope this helps clarify some discussions about Food Grade vs Pharmaceutical grade. Sincerely, Quentin Bochar BSc. Laboratory Technician ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:33:10 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Pollen traps and supersedure In-Reply-To: <015ad4258140528UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A CAPITAL REPLY, INTERSPERSED. On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Lloyd Spear wrote: > You say "have been using pollen traps for 10 years...". I FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS. I THINK I STARTED IN 1982 (ALZHEIMER'S, SMILE) nteresting, as I > see you are in the Northeast. With our relatively high humidity, do you dry > the pollen? YES, ONE CAN ALWAYS USE A DEHUMIDIFIER IN A CLOSED ROOM. I HAVE ONE BUT SELDOM USE IT. If you do, how do you do it? FREEZING AND DRYING ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. SEE THE REFERENCE AT THE END. If you don't, do you have trouble > with mold? Do you sell the pollen, or just use it as feed? I SELL POLLEN IN A GLASS ONE-POUND QUEENLINE JAR FROM MY FRONT DOOR, 7OZ/$7. > I understand that many beekeepers in the Northeast have given up on pollen > trapping (for sale) because of high humidity problems, I WONDER HOW YOU CAN MAKE SUCH A BLANKET STATEMENT? ONE DOESN'T MEET VERY MANY POLLEN TRAPPERS TO BEGIN WITH. so I think your > experience will be valuable to others. THANKS! BTW, YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ MY -----Original Message----- > From: Alden P. Marshall > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: Pollen traps and supersedure > > > >Been using pollen traps for 10 years+. Hesitate if they are influential > >in supersedure though. I think it is obvious though that if a trapped > >colony does supersede the consequences can be more detrimental, queen not > >likely to get out and even less likely to get back in. Thus one has 1) a > >drone laying queen or 2) laying workers and perhaps a colony started > >under the bottom board (from the queen that got out and couldn't get back > >in. IMHO these are the primary drawbacks to trapping pollen. > > > >Alden Marshall > >B-Line Apiaries > >Hudson, NH 03051 > >Busybee9@Juno.com > >tel. 603-883-6764 > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:13:39 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mason Harris Organization: SMCOE Subject: Steam Generator MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Bee folks! I am looking for a good, used steam generator to run an uncapping machine. If you know of one for sale, please contact me by personal e-mail. Thanks! -- Mason Harris, MA (\ SMCOE Educational Audiologist -{ ||| 8- smharris@ed.co.sanmateo.ca.us (/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:24:58 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Partin Subject: Re: Scorching AFB infected equipment Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) John Ph.D.: Come to Fla. with a 1000 for 38 years. Then you will get a taste of what bee keeping is all about. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:10:47 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Curtis Seyfried Subject: New Member Into Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am new to this list and would like to say hello. I am a biology teacher in NYC high school. I am interested in learning about beekeekping. Peace and Good Health, (;->) Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net , curtisseyfri@valise.com CS Enterprises POB. 110675 Brooklyn, NY. 11211 (718) 599-2458 ======================== Consultant, B.Sc. - Environmental & Life Sciences, MA. - Environmental Policy Studies and Analysis - SUNYESC, 1992-97 Diplomas - New York University - Paralegal Studies, 1995 & Building Construction Project Management, 1988. Promoting local economic growth through the formation of cooperative businesses, revolving around food waste composting, local/regional high value agriculture, and cooperative marketing. Waste-to-fertilizer-to-food-to jobs. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:38:05 -0800 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: FGMO and PGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dr. R. The problem I have with the use of FGMO vrs PGMO (in addition to cost) is that it is probably inappropriate for use in the hive unless you maintain the same "clean" conditions required to maintain FGMO's classification as food grade. Just as soon as you put it on a frame, it is no longer "food grade" and becomes less pure than unapplied PGMO. I understand that we want to have a pure substance in the hive, but beekeepers put crisco, terra, formic acid, menthol, apistan, and a host of other things into their hives, follow directions and the honey is considered pure and safe. Most of those things you would not want to eat. Bees track in every kind of substance, including dirt, pesticides, and pollen. Bits and pieces of bees end up in cells along with dead mites and honey. With all this hive contamination, we are saying that we have to use FGMO because it is food grade. Yet all this trash comes in contact with honey and always has. I understand FGMO is used in machinery which will contact foods. Every effort is made, under those conditions, to maintain a clean environment. The hive does not meet those conditions, so I agree with the oil sales rep that we are in overkill if we use FGMO. PGMO is a very pure oil - you can drink it, though not recommended (along with FGMO) because of the end result (there is a pun in there somewhere). I guess the best analogy is washing your hands with a strong antiseptic soap or plain soap before you go out and dig up carrots in the garden. Your hands are clean enough for the job with plain soap because the environment (dirt in garden) brings either treatment to the same level of contamination. I would like to know how anyone can tell the difference between FGMO and PGMO after it is applied. Both are exactly the same chemically. Both then have the same level of contamination. The hive is an unclean environment. I would hate to see the community find that MO does work but be locked into FGMO because of what I consider to be over caution (it is food grade so it must be the only thing we can use). I know that I am on the hard side of this discussion because I am arguing a lesser standard, but I think more practical. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME As an aside, two of us will be trying MO this summer, so I am not against MO and I appreciate your work. \Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez wrote: > Hello to All: > Although the question has not been addressed to me, I thought > that perhaps I should answer being that I am the "father of the > creature." Yes, I am very much aware of the existence of PGMO. Those > who read my files will notice tht I describe the reason for selecting > FGMO with abundace of detail. For those of you who may have missed it, > please let me state it again. FGMO is approved by the federal > government (hence also > state governments) in the USA for use in food handling operations. > While PGMO might be slightly priced below the cost of FGMO, PGMO does > not have approval from the government as a substance that can be applied > to the "tools" for food handling. Since honey is food, I think that the > reason should be clear to everyone especially with the possibility of > honey being subject to regulatory procedures in the near future. With a > lifetime experience in food hygiene, I would never advocate the use of a > substance that does not meet hygienic standards. Perhaps when the use > of mineral oil as a bee miticide (as I have not doubt that it will > become!), beekeepers and honey packers will lobby the government for > approval of PGMO as an accepted substance that can be utilized in honey > handling operations. > I would also like to emphasize for those of you who may have missed > my post. A few days back I posted to Bee-L the names of two major > distributors of mineral oil in the United States including their > telephone numbers; (one of them is a free call: 1-800-245-3952). > Good luck to all of you in the coming beekeeping season. > Best regards. > Dr. Rodriguez > Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:28:06 -0300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Diego Dias Subject: languages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First of all, don=B4t get ungry because the mail is not about bees. What goes below is a joke. I mean, I don=B4t want anybody feel upset. How do you call a person who speaks a lot of languages? _ Multilingual How do you call a person who speaks 2 languages? _ Bilingual How do you call a person who only speaks 1 language? _ Yankee :-) Just because, I repeat it is a joke. Diego Dias Tacuari 737 (5547) Mendoza Argentina Fifth year Industrial Engineering 10 hives, 32 42=B4S 68 31=B4W Interests: mountian bike, trekking, beekeeping As I am not english speaker I would thank any correction. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:07:17 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Re: languages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-05 22:29:16 EST, ddias@raiz.uncu.edu.ar (Diego Dias) dice: << How do you call a person who speaks a lot of languages? _ Multilingual How do you call a person who speaks 2 languages? _ Bilingual How do you call a person who only speaks 1 language? _ Yankee :-) >> ?Por que? Las abejas hablan en ingles, pero cantan en espanol. No entiendo el dicho de el yanqui. En argentina el yanqui es de America del Norte. En South Carolina el yanqui es de el norte de Los Estados Unidos. En Buffalo el yanqui es de Nuevo England. En Nuevo England, el yanqui es de Boston....... Hay un otro dicho: Ingles es la idioma de comercio. Frances es la idioma del amor. !Pero vamos a hablar espanol en el cielo! ; <) ?Su ingles is mejor que mi espanol, no? Que las flores de usted sera llena de miel...... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:08:48 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Thomas W. Hoyt" Subject: Re: Beekeeper's Handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 97-12-15 23:28:44 EST, you write: > > The Beekeeper's Handbook, Third Edition > > by Diana Sammataro, Ph.D. and Alphonse Avitabile > > Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitabile have revised and expanded their > clear and comprehensive guide to cover changes in beekeeping. They discuss, > for example, the crisis created by the parasitic bee mites. In less than a > decade, for example, Varroa mites have saturated the North American honey > bee population with disastrous results, devastating both managed and wild > populations. The new edition of The Beekeeper's Handbook covers mite > detection and control, as well as the selection and testing of bees that > may have some tolerance to mites. This note was posted several months ago. It also mentioned that the new printing would be out in April. Anybody know the status of that info? I can't find it in the Cornell Press homepage. TWH Decatur, IL USA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:56:13 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: languages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi fellow beekeepers. When I teach, invariably, I always tell my students that languages can be a lot of fun especially when used properly and with good will. Best regards. Dr. R. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:34:26 +1300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mark Horsnell Subject: extraction questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 1. what r the benefits of a REVERSIBLE xtractor as opposed to a "normal" one? 2. rather than use a centifuge or wax separator, how can i use an extractor to get the same results? 3. how long does a frame need to be in the extractor for best results? speed (rpm) time a. ?? ?? b. ?? ?? c. ?? ?? d. ?? ?? thanx in advance, mark ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 05:38:36 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Apiservices Subject: 37 sites at the same address: www.beekeeping.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" now has two addresses http://www.beekeeping.org http://www.apiculture.com where you can surf in on everything connected to beekeeping. What's more,= the server has its own internal search engine to make your visit an enjoyable experience. Stats : 2 500 visits / month, 12 Mb for 717 files ! The "Gallery" has two sections: 1) Organizations, companies and journals (37 servers at the same address = !) 2) Events, flash info, international databases, interactivities, collecti= ve catalogs, tools, goodies, links and miscellaneous Key : E =3D English, F =3D French, G =3D German, S =3D Spanish, P =3D Por= tuguese http://www.beekeeping.org =3D World's First Virtual Beekeeping Galler= y (E + F + G + S + P) 1) Organizations, companies and journals: A) Organizations: http://www.beekeeping.org/apimondia/ =3D International Beekee= ping Federation (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/anercea/ =3D Bee breeders associati= on (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/apiservices/ =3D Beekeeping develop= ment (E + F + S) http://www.beekeeping.org/aea/ =3D European Association for Apitherapy (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/cari/ =3D Press and services (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/communicate-now/ =3D Translations (= E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/cneva/ =3D Veterinary laboratories = (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/edapi/ =3D European Documentation i= n Apiculture (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/epba/ =3D European Professional Beekeepers Association (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/sna/ =3D Syndicat (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/spmf/ =3D Syndicat (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/tbrc/ =3D Triwaks Bee Research Cent= er in Israel (E) http://www.beekeeping.org/unaf/ =3D Syndicat (F) B) Companies: http://www.beekeeping.org/apiselixirs/ =3D Health products (E= + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/Biove/ =3D Veterinary products (Api= var) (E) http://www.beekeeping.org/chezelles/ =3D Bee products (E + F)= http://www.beekeeping.org/fert/ =3D Queen breeder + books (E = + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/leclercq/ =3D Beekeeping CD ROM (E = + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/niddabeilles/ =3D Bee products (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/bee-biz/ =3D Northern Bee Books (E,= under construction) http://www.beekeeping.org/opida/ =3D Videos, leaflets, books = (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/rucher-3-tilleuls/ =3D Bee products= (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/swarm/ =3D Veterinary products (Apist= an, B401, Fumidil) (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/thomas/ =3D N=B01 for beekeeping equipment (E + F) C) Journals http://www.beekeeping.org/adf/ =3D Abeille de France (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/abeilles-cie/ =3D Abeilles & Cie (F= ) http://www.beekeeping.org/apiacta/ =3D Apiacta (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/apidologie/ =3D Apidologie (E + F) http://www.beekeeping.org/bee-biz/ =3D Bee-Biz (E, under construction) http://www.beekeeping.org/bees-and-development/ =3D Beekeepin= g & Development (E + F=3D http://www.beekeeping.org/opida/ =3D Bulletin Technique Apico= le (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/imkerei-tecnik/ =3D Imkerei Technik= (G) http://www.beekeeping.org/o-apicultor/ =3D O'Apicultor (P) http://www.beekeeping.org/rfa/ =3D Revue Fran=E7aise d'Apicul= ture (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/sante-de-labeille/ =3D Sant=E9 de l'Abeille (F) http://www.beekeeping.org/bee-biz/ =3D The Beekeepers Quarte= rly (E, under construction) http://www.beekeeping.org/vida-apicola/ =3D Vida Apicola (S) and the numbers grow every (if you would like to join the Gallery, contac= t us). 2) Events, flash info, international databases, interactivities, collecti= ve catalogs, tools, goodies, links and miscellaneous A) Events, flash info: Articles Congresses Symposia Workshops Courses B) International databases: Beekeeping journals Beekeeping museums (for your next trip) Editors Information by country (stats, addresses...) International markets (import/export) Research centers, institutes and universities Training Centers C) Interactivity - Choose the right tool ! All beekeeping discussions > Forum Classified ads > Notice-Board Chat Room live > Java applet Remarks about the site > Guestbook Suggestions/Corrections/Collaboration > Email D) Tools: Beehive plans - Dadant & Langstroth Beekeeping dictionaries - English & French Beekeeping conversions - syrups, wax, Pfund... Books for your bookshelf Calculator for beeswax polish formulae Calculator for honey weight in drums Colors for queens Honey house plans for hobbyist and pro Mathematical conversions - volume, length... Personalized advice Taxonomy - genus, species.. E) Miscellaneous (contribute to these collective catalogs): Beekeeping celebrities Gallery of beekeeping pictures Labels Meads recipes Numismatics Post cards Philately Ancient beehives F) Other beekeeping links: Web Listings Archives NewsGroups Mailing lists FAQ And we have a lot of projects : Mb and Mb of new files ! This " World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" is not our site but your= site. You can give suggestions or, better still, collaborate to increase it. Thank you. Gilles Ratia webmaster@apiservices.com http://www.beekeeping.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 06:23:52 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Curtis Seyfried Subject: Intro Thank you Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Thank you all for your informative and funny welcomes. I will surely enjoy this list. Diego, I have tried to learn Spanish as an adult, but am not good at languages. Unfortunately in America we do not teach other languages to children, who leran them easily, but wait till the teenage years. But, I am thinking of obtaining "Globallink's" e-mail language translator. It will translate what I write into Spanish, or 6 other languages, and what you write into English. At 09:28 PM 2/6/97 -0300, you wrote: >First of all, don=B4t get ungry (angry) because the (this) mail is not abou= t bees. >What goes (follows) below is a joke. I mean, I don=B4t want anybody (to) feel upset. > >How (What) do you call a person who speaks a lot of languages? >_ Multilingual > >How (What) do you call a person who speaks 2 languages? >_ Bilingual > >How (What) do you call a person who only speaks 1 language? >_ Yankee :-) > > >Just because, I repeat it is a joke. > > >Diego Dias >Tacuari 737 >(5547) Mendoza >Argentina >Fifth year Industrial Engineering >10 hives, 32 42=B4S 68 31=B4W >Interests: mountian bike, trekking, beekeeping >As I am not english speaker I would thank any correction. > > Peace and Good Health, (;->) Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net , curtisseyfri@valise.com CS Enterprises POB. 110675 Brooklyn, NY. 11211 (718) 599-2458 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Consultant, B.Sc. - Environmental & Life Sciences, MA. - Environmental Policy Studies and Analysis - SUNYESC, 1992-97 Diplomas - New York University - Paralegal Studies, 1995 & Building Construction Project Management, 1988. Promoting local economic growth through the formation of cooperative businesses, revolving around food waste composting, local/regional high value agriculture, and cooperative marketing. Waste-to-fertilizer-to-food-to jobs. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 06:45:01 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Curtis Seyfried Subject: Bee Decline ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have read in a book on the decline of amphibians, that there has also been a decline in natural bee populations. It is attributed to the widespread use of pesticides in agriculture, and the decline in habitat for bees. Many people do not realize the importance, rather the NECESSITY, or bees as pollinators to human survival. Without bees we would have no agriculture, NO FOOD ! Has anyone here noticed a decline ? Has anyone had problems with their ability to keep hives ? This really worries me, more than any other species decline, even though all species are important and interconnected. Peace and Good Health, (;->) Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net , curtisseyfri@valise.com CS Enterprises POB. 110675 Brooklyn, NY. 11211 (718) 599-2458 ======================== Consultant, B.Sc. - Environmental & Life Sciences, MA. - Environmental Policy Studies and Analysis - SUNYESC, 1992-97 Diplomas - New York University - Paralegal Studies, 1995 & Building Construction Project Management, 1988. Promoting local economic growth through the formation of cooperative businesses, revolving around food waste composting, local/regional high value agriculture, and cooperative marketing. Waste-to-fertilizer-to-food-to jobs. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:34:09 +0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert Bowman Subject: Re: Scorching AFB infected equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An alternative method to scorching or fumigation for AFB materials that is used in Australia is treatment with irradiation. The brood boxes, supers, extracted honey combs, lids, bottoms, excluders, etc can all be treated this way. There is no necessity to remove wax and propolis buildup. The method is quick and inexpensive and 100% effective against AFB and other disease organisms. The irradiation used is the same as that for medical and other sterile equipment treatments. Beekeepers buying second hand gear use this treatment before introducing it to the apiaries as a preventative measure. It also enables those beekeepers who are affected with AFB to clean up their apiary with minimal disruption to their business. Terramycin treatment is currently prohibited for AFB in all mainland states although it used via authorised prescription for EFB. ---------- > From: John Iannuzzi > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Re: Scorching AFB infected equipment > Date: Thursday, 5 February 1998 23:00 > > When I get old equipment, I always torch. > I've never had a case of AFB (my fingers are still crossed) > in 38 years. > The standard treatment for AFB in Maryland was burning the > boxes and burning--as elsewhere-- > until the state inspector got an ETO chamber and used it > for years, until ethyleneoxide was found 2 B carcinogenic > and disbarred by EPA? > I think he's in the process of getting the use of ETO reinstated for > bee use. > > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. > **38 years in apiculture > **12 hives of Italian honeybees > **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of > Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] > **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil > For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon > **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey > **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 07:38:45 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: On Processing Pollen In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:50 AM 2/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >A CAPITAL REPLY FOR EASE OF READING. >IF YOU CHECK THE SEPTEMBER 1992 ISSUE OF ABJ, PAGE 599, >YOU'LL SEE PICS AND TEXT ON HOW I PROCESS MY FRESH >POLLEN. >BONNE CHANCE! > How do you clean it and process it. I dont have the September 1992 issue of ABJ. Please send me a copy of it if you can. Thank You Paul in Oklahoma City 15 hives and growing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:22:29 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: Bee Decline ? In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980206063838.0dcf0f84@mail.interport.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:45 AM 2/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >I have read in a book on the decline of amphibians, that there has also >been a decline in natural bee populations. It is attributed to the >widespread use of pesticides in agriculture, and the decline in habitat for >bees. I think the loss of natural bee populations is due mainely to the bee mites. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:39:28 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Re: swarm traps Comments: cc: jschmidt@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> who knows about swarm traps? how are [they made]? J.Edwards of Tucson replied to the above question, as follows: >Dr Justin Schmidt, of the USDA-ARS LAB in Tucson, Arizona both knows and >has made several designs of swarm traps. >They are made in Oregon, of wood pulp, over a form in the size of an >office waste paper basket, and will last 2-5 years outside. He also >developed the pheromone lure. Justin Schmidt is VERY busy and may not be able to reply to mail inquiries. Those who want a summary of swarm traps can refer to an AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL article: Schmidt, J.O. 1985. Swarm traps: An example of research and technology transfer. (130:811-812). Another article may prove useful: Schmidt, J.O. and S.C. Thoenes. The efficiency of swarm traps: What percent of swarms are captured and at what distance from the hive? AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL. 130: 811-812. I have used these swarm hives for several years. They are quite effective, but cavities in which colonies have existed earlier prove somewhat more attractive to swarms, as reported earlier at an AMERICAN BEE RESEARCH CONFERENCE. Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 893-2838 (UCSB office) Ecol., Evol., & Marine Biology (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara (805) 963-8508 (home office & FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 *********************************************************************** * "Discovery is to see what everyone else has seen, * * but to think what no one else has thought." * * --- Albert Szent-Gyorgyi * *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:06:13 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Teresa Garcma Subject: irradiation of hives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert, Could you please explain a little bit more about this irradiation technique? With what do you irradiate? Is it not dangerous for the person who does it? Is it done "All over" Australia"? and please, just out of curiosity, what part of Australia are you from? Tere > An alternative method to scorching or fumigation for AFB materials that is > used in Australia is treatment with irradiation. The brood boxes, supers, > extracted honey combs, lids, bottoms, excluders, etc can all be treated > this way. There is no necessity to remove wax and propolis buildup. The > method is quick and inexpensive and 100% effective against AFB and other > disease organisms. The irradiation used is the same as that for medical and > other sterile equipment treatments. Beekeepers buying second hand gear use > this treatment before introducing it to the apiaries as a preventative > measure. It also enables those beekeepers who are affected with AFB to > clean up their apiary with minimal disruption to their business. Terramycin > treatment is currently prohibited for AFB in all mainland states although > it used via authorised prescription for EFB. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:31:01 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Beekeeper's Handbook In-Reply-To: <74878b2d.34daa8f2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Why don't you go to the horse's mouth? 800/BUY-ROOT, the husband's Medina phone number? I'm guessing at the email address: Bonne chance! On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Thomas W. Hoyt wrote: > In a message dated 97-12-15 23:28:44 EST, you write: > > > > > The Beekeeper's Handbook, Third Edition > > > > by Diana Sammataro, Ph.D. and Alphonse Avitabile > > > > Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitabile have revised and expanded their > > clear and comprehensive guide to cover changes in beekeeping. They discuss, > > for example, the crisis created by the parasitic bee mites. In less than a > > decade, for example, Varroa mites have saturated the North American honey > > bee population with disastrous results, devastating both managed and wild > > populations. The new edition of The Beekeeper's Handbook covers mite > > detection and control, as well as the selection and testing of bees that > > may have some tolerance to mites. > > This note was posted several months ago. It also mentioned that the new > printing would be out in April. Anybody know the status of that info? I > can't find it in the Cornell Press homepage. > > TWH > Decatur, IL USA > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:38:14 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rett Thorpe Subject: Re: Scorching AFB infected equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Could some sort of oven be made to bake AFB infected equipment? What temp is needed to kill AFB? Rett ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:49:38 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Curtis Seyfried Subject: Parasitic Mites & Herbology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For Discussion. Please read carefully and fully, do not use this advice until a full discussion and understanding has occured. Iam new to this list and know a little about bees. I have also studied Western & chinese herbal medicine, Homeopathic medicine, aromatherapy and other alternative therapies for 26 years now. From this I feel that I Might have somethig to offer this group. From a herbal medicine (hm) perspective parasites of any form can only take a foothold in, or on, an individual when their natural immune system is not functioning properly. This can be caused by many factors, environmental stress and pollutatnt, poor nutrition, and others. It seems to me that bees, like other life forms, would naturally be able to throw off parasitic mites if their immune systems were functioning normally. Cats and Dogs can be rid of fleas and other parasites by including in the diet nutritional supplements that parasites dislike : Garlic, Brewers Yeast, Thiamine (a B vitamin). I have also rid my cats of tape worms by using an old antibiotic remedy called "Colloidial Silver" (CS). CS is a titration (minute dilution) of the metal silver in deionized water. It is created through an electrochemical process and creates a 1 part per million or lower concentration. I am not recomending any of these to be given to bees, just discussing them so far. Herbally Echinacea (Echinacea Augustofolia ), AKA. Purple Cone Flower, is an immune system strengthener. Golden Seal (Hydrastis Canadensis L. ) is also an immune system herb, which also acts synergistically to strengthen the action of herbs it is combined with. Marigold ( Calendula Officianalis ) is also another healer, it also is resinous which might increase propolis production. There are other herbs I will get to in later discussions. Possibly if Echinacea, Goldenseal, Garlic and Calendula were planted in proximity to the hives, thusly allowing the bees to pollinate the flowers and pick up the healing properties, this MAY help. Direct administration of these herbs to bees would be dangerous as the quantities to be given is difficult, to say the least, to determine. BUT, Homeopathic titrations of these herbs could be administered SAFELY to bees in sugar water. Homeopathy takes the original substance and dilutes (titrates) it many times. After this process there is CHEMICALLY no trace of the original chemicals present. Homeopathy believes that the ENERGY of the substance is what effects the cure, and is what is transferred in the titration process. Homeopathy has been used extensively in treating babies and in vetinary medicine for its safety and NON-poisonous nature. Well enough for now, I'll add more at a later time. Peace and Good Health, (;->) Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net , curtisseyfri@valise.com CS Enterprises POB. 110675 Brooklyn, NY. 11211 (718) 599-2458 ======================== Consultant, B.Sc. - Environmental & Life Sciences, MA. - Environmental Policy Studies and Analysis - SUNYESC, 1992-97 Diplomas - New York University - Paralegal Studies, 1995 & Building Construction Project Management, 1988. Promoting local economic growth through the formation of cooperative businesses, revolving around food waste composting, local/regional high value agriculture, and cooperative marketing. Waste-to-fertilizer-to-food-to jobs. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:19:24 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: On Processing Pollen In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980206073845.007a79d0@oklahoma.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Bee glad to but only w/ a bill for Xeroxing and mailing--my cost. On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Paul Bashore wrote: > At 09:50 AM 2/5/98 -0500, you wrote: > >A CAPITAL REPLY FOR EASE OF READING. > >IF YOU CHECK THE SEPTEMBER 1992 ISSUE OF ABJ, PAGE 599, > >YOU'LL SEE PICS AND TEXT ON HOW I PROCESS MY FRESH > >POLLEN. > >BONNE CHANCE! > > > How do you clean it and process it. I dont have the September 1992 issue of > ABJ. Please send me a copy of it if you can. > > > Thank You > Paul in Oklahoma City 15 hives and growing > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:50:49 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: extraction questions In-Reply-To: <199802060834.VAA13666@chong.ihug.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FURTHER TO MY MESSAGE ABOUT EXTRACTING AND TYPES OF EQUIPMENT USED. I forgot to mention speeds involved. On the manual, it's up to the operator on how fast or slow he wants to turn the crank, to prevent blowouts. On the motorized, the switch has gradations between slow and fast. The choice is yours. On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Mark Horsnell wrote: > 1. what r the benefits of a REVERSIBLE xtractor as opposed to a > "normal" one? > > 2. rather than use a centifuge or wax separator, how can i use an > extractor to get the same results? > > 3. how long does a frame need to be in the extractor for best results? > > speed (rpm) time > > a. ?? ?? > b. ?? ?? > c. ?? ?? > d. ?? ?? > > thanx in advance, > > mark > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:57:12 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Re: Bee Decline ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-06 09:18:50 EST, silvrfox@oklahoma.net (Paul Bashore) writes: << At 06:45 AM 2/6/98 -0500, cseyfrie@mail.interport.net (Curtis Seyfried) wrote: >I have read in a book on the decline of amphibians, that there has also >been a decline in natural bee populations. It is attributed to the >widespread use of pesticides in agriculture, and the decline in habitat for >bees. I think the loss of natural bee populations is due mainely to the bee mites. >> That's not entirely true, though mites have been a serious factor with honeybees. But honeybee populations were declining before mites arrived, due to pesticide misuse, poor honey markets, and other factors. Bumblebee populations, especially in the south are badly depleted, primarily due to cotton spraying in violation of label directions. Many solitary bees are also affected. Pesticide misuse is a factor in many other areas as well. Some other factors are loss of forage (changing crops patterns, loss of hedgerows, increased herbicide use, and monoculture pine forests rather than mixed forest), clearcut logging, development, bee paranoia (more homeowner spraying, more vandalism to beekeepers), and fire ants (ground nesting solitary bees are especially vulnerable to these preditors). To Mr. Seyfried: You are absolutely right: the decline of pollinator populations is one of the most significant environmental problems, one that will greatly impact our children and grandchildren, if not ourselves. It is little recognized and I commend you for being alert to this situation. You can help. 1. Get well educated yourself. You can look at produce at the market and see effects of poor pollination (lowered quality), if you know what to look for. Check out the web pages below for more info. 2. Work for better enforcement of pesticide laws. Right now this is a low priority, and in fact our South Carolina pesticide enforcement head has been lobbying EPA to gut the protection offered in pesticide label directions. 3. Work for more research on honeybee mite control (only one material today is registered for varroa mites, and resistance to that material is looming), resistant strains of honeybees, alternative pollinators. Your congressman may think pollination is unimportant. He may see the bee labs as so much pork barrel, so he keeps trying to cut the already limited budget for bee research. 4. Work for better beekeeper education. Call your local extension office and ask them when they are offering a beginner beekeeping course. If they don't have one scheduled, point out the pollination problem and ask they why they aren't working on it. Why do many of the land grant universities have little or no beekeeper courses? I don't think any university in the US has a course in pollination management, which is pretty basic horticulture, really. There are only a half dozen schools that have any significant training. I once had a university- trained head of an extension fruit team look totally blank at me, when I showed him you could count the seeds in an apple to evaluate pollination. It was a brand new idea to him. 5. Encourage young people, in every opportunity you have, to consider beekeeping (especially for contract pollination) as a career choice. It's a seller's market..... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Of Bees, Beekeepers and Food..... Janice Green http://users.aol.com/queenbjan/primbees.htm Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:28:56 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rimantas Zujus Subject: Re: On Processing Pollen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD3335.781B9A00" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD3335.781B9A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Paul Bashore Sent: Friday, February 06, 1998 3:38 PM To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Re: On Processing Pollen At 09:50 AM 2/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >A CAPITAL REPLY FOR EASE OF READING. >IF YOU CHECK THE SEPTEMBER 1992 ISSUE OF ABJ, PAGE 599, >YOU'LL SEE PICS AND TEXT ON HOW I PROCESS MY FRESH >POLLEN. >BONNE CHANCE! > How do you clean it and process it. I dont have the September 1992 issue of ABJ. Please send me a copy of it if you can. Thank You Paul in Oklahoma City 15 hives and growing And for me, if possible, to compare your proceeding with ours. We have a damp climate, often rains. 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(grizzly.umt.edu) Therefore, to reach our bee site with the real-time data sets, weather station, and JAVA graphing, use the alias address: http://www.umt.edu/biology/bees or http://www.umt.edu Then go to the A-Z Index, click on Bee Alert. I apologize for the inconvenience. We have asked the University Sys Ops to look into the "bug". Thanks to those who alerted us to the glitch. Jerry Jerry J. Bromenshenk, Ph.D. Director, DOE/EPSCoR & Montana Organization for Research in Energy The University of Montana-Missoula Missoula, MT 59812-1002 E-Mail: jjbmail@selway.umt.edu Tel: 406-243-5648 Fax: 406-243-4184 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:14:23 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Calkins, Rob" Subject: Looking for a company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Does anyone have the address and phone number for a company called "Midwestern Hive Company" or maybe it is "Midwestern Hive Manufacturing" located in Minneapolis Minnesota? Thanks Rob Calkins ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:54:21 -0500 Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Palmer Organization: French Hill Apiaries Subject: Re: Resistant Varroa Mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Palmer wrote: > Well, it's official. According to a study by Dr. Frank Eischen of the > Texas A&M University System, those Varroa mites in central Florida were > (are) resistant to fluvalinate. Wonderful. When is the next chemical > control scheduled to come on-line? Isn't formic acid in gel-packs > supposed to be ready soon? I think it's time ALL U.S. beekeepers got on > the horn and made some noise! Quit infighting about the National Honey > Board, honey imports, pesticide problems, packer-producer squabbles, and > a myriad of other seemingly important concerns, and GET REAL! This is > our biggest problem. Right now! It's gonna take all of us, screaming at > the top of our lungs, to get anyone in Washington to listen. Call > someone, call everyone. The squeaky wheel gets the grease! I don't guess > it will take long for the supermite to spread everywhere. Take you're > future into your own hands. Mike > PS - hell of a time to send bees to central Florida for the first > time. Great timing Mike ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:26:18 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "James R. Shaver" Subject: Re: FGMO, where does it go? Perhaps some of it can be found on dead bees and dead mites. Jim Shaver On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:15:31 +0000 Tom Speight writes: >In message <15102466637143@systronix.net>, Excerpts from BEE-L > writes >>I imagine most of the FGMO is absorbed in wooden ware, >I haven't tried FGMO yet, but was wondering. If some is absorbed by >the >woodwork - as it must be - does it have a similar affect as petroleum >jelly (vaseline) on the building of brace comb?? >-- >Tom Speight >South Lakes >Cumbria UK > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:44:31 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "K. Bokhorst" Subject: Arizona pollen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings from the Netherlands For a client I am looking for Arizona bee pollen. I found on the net that this is supplied by Arizona Nutritionals, but I can't find this firm. Is there anybody who knows that firm? Or a phone-or fax number. PS If there is a beekeeper in that region who can supply 300-600 kgs it's OK for me as well Again :Greetings from the Netherlands ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:54:14 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Curtis Seyfried Subject: Appreciating Bee's Polination Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jan./Feb. 1998 issue of WorldWatch Magazine has an article titled "Nature's Hidden Economy, Putting prices on services we thought were free". Great reading. Should be able to pick it up at their WWW site. www.worldwatch.org Points out the importance of : Soil formation, Water, Pollination, Erosion Control, Waste Recycling, Raw Materials production, Biological Control of Pests & Diseases, Climate & Atmosphere, & Rec. & Ed. Peace and Good Health, (;->) Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net , curtisseyfri@valise.com CS Enterprises POB. 110675 Brooklyn, NY. 11211 (718) 599-2458 ======================== Consultant, B.Sc. - Environmental & Life Sciences, MA. - Environmental Policy Studies and Analysis - SUNYESC, 1992-97 Diplomas - New York University - Paralegal Studies, 1995 & Building Construction Project Management, 1988. Promoting local economic growth through the formation of cooperative businesses, revolving around food waste composting, local/regional high value agriculture, and cooperative marketing. Waste-to-fertilizer-to-food-to jobs. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:13:51 +0200 Reply-To: pimapis@rls.roknet.ro Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Marian Pintilie Organization: - Subject: Re: FGMO and PGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody Do you really think that: >The hive is an unclean environment. ????????????????????????? Do not forget that the hive is propolized. There is a doc here who can provide the information about how many microorganisms live in our precious mouth? If we already opened the subject, I'd like to ask: There is anybody with a microscop able to investigate how many microorganisms live in an occupied hive. I'm really interested, so I hope we will get an answer. Costel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:17:43 -0600 Reply-To: jcorley@c-gate.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Corley Subject: Hello MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am going to be new to beekeeping this spring, so I'll be hanging out around here to pick up some, much needed knowledge about beekeeping. My name is John and I am located in Southeast Mississippi. I look forward to getting to know you all in the days to come. Thanks for the minute, -- John Corley jcorley@c-gate.net http://www.c-gate.net/~jcorley ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:23:46 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Roy Nettlebeck Subject: Re: Resistant Varroa Mites Comments: To: Michael Palmer In-Reply-To: <34DB5C5D.C504A806@together.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Michael Palmer wrote: > Michael Palmer wrote: > > > Well, it's official. According to a study by Dr. Frank Eischen of the > > Texas A&M University System, those Varroa mites in central Florida were > > (are) resistant to fluvalinate. Wonderful. When is the next chemical > > control scheduled to come on-line? Isn't formic acid in gel-packs > > supposed to be ready soon? I think it's time ALL U.S. beekeepers got on > > the horn and made some noise! Quit infighting about the National Honey > > Board, honey imports, pesticide problems, packer-producer squabbles, and > > a myriad of other seemingly important concerns, and GET REAL! This is > > our biggest problem. Right now! It's gonna take all of us, screaming at > > the top of our lungs, to get anyone in Washington to listen. Call > > someone, call everyone. The squeaky wheel gets the grease! I don't guess > > it will take long for the supermite to spread everywhere. Take you're > > future into your own hands. Mike > > PS - hell of a time to send bees to central Florida for the first > > time. Great timing Mike > I go along with most of the above post. Pressure on Washington DC needs to be focused to get anyone to wake up. First, the USDA needs to have there server for E-mail overloaded. Everyone straight to the point.The most lay people with any idea of biology knew that you can't just use one product to control a pest like Varroa.You need to alternate with other products, which cuts down the speed that resistance becomes a problem.The USDA has to know that and they did not act accordingly. They are working with beekeepers help, on a resistance strain of honey bee.They published(USDA ARS Bee Research Lab) Dec. 4 ,1995 the work done by Dr. Schiff and Dr. Sheppard.Genetic differentiation in queen breeding population of the western US.Through DNA testing from coast to coast , there are only 8 familys of Honey Bees.Not a large gene pool to work with.Thats known and it took 2 years to do the study.I have talked to Dr. Steve Sheppard face to face in Nov of last year. Remember that the USDA is working for us.Put some pressure on them. Second, Your congressman is setting on the money that the USDA will come back and tell us that they have to more with less.Thats a fact.Be very liberal with your congressman about the food that he eats.Pollenation is not just nice to have , its needed to get produce to market.They don't need a long letter. Just one to the point with a few facts.Beekeepers are always to layed back.( too many bee stings) When you write the letter , feel someone stepping on your toe.They are and wont get off until they are pushed.This is a country , by the people and for the people. Let them know that and they can be replaced.Not a bad idea to keep your note and let them know that when the beekeeping industry goes through another great lose of bees do to Varroa , there name will be part of the problem.No profanity is needed , just facts. Thank them for there help. We do have help back in DC.They just need a wake up call. My Nickle Best Regards Roy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:07:41 -0500 Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kathy Organization: Red Maple Farm Subject: Re: Parasitic Mites & Herbology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Curtis, I'm a bit confused by some of what you have written and have commented below on the parts that i don't understand, that don't make sense to me, or that conflict with what i know &/or have observed about honeybee behaviour. Curtis Seyfried wrote: > For Discussion. Please read carefully and fully, do not use this > advice > until a full discussion and understanding has occured. > > Iam new to this list and know a little about bees. I have also > studied > Western & chinese herbal medicine, Homeopathic medicine, > aromatherapy and > other alternative therapies for 26 years now. > >From this I feel that I Might have somethig to offer this group. > > >From a herbal medicine (hm) perspective parasites of any form can > only take > a foothold in, or on, an individual when their natural immune system > is not > functioning properly. This can be caused by many factors, > environmental > stress and pollutatnt, poor nutrition, and others. So far, this makes sense to me, and i would identify both the varroa and the tracheal mites to be environmental stress (of the choices in your statement). They are certainly not caused by poor nutrition or pollution. > It seems to me that bees, like other life forms, would naturally be > able to > throw off parasitic mites if their immune systems were functioning > normally. This is where i begin to get confused... it seems to me that the parasites (external stress) would *cause* immune system problems and it doesn't follow that manipulating the immune system in any other way (as with vitamins or homeopathy) would *cause* the parasite to go away. I seem to recall that when each of these mites was accidentally/inadvertantly/whatever introduced to apis mellifera, colonies were pretty darn healthy, so by this reasoning, why would they have been infected in the first place? > Cats and Dogs can be rid of fleas and other parasites by > including in the diet nutritional supplements that parasites dislike : > > Garlic, Brewers Yeast, Thiamine (a B vitamin). I have also rid my > cats of > tape worms by using an old antibiotic remedy called "Colloidial > Silver" > (CS). CS is a titration (minute dilution) of the metal silver in > deionized > water. It is created through an electrochemical process and creates a > 1 > part per million or lower concentration. These two examples seem to me to contradict what you said above about manipulating the immune system to throw off the parasites. In both instances you have used things that target the parasites, either by making the cat/dog taste/smell bad to the parasite or by making the intestine uninhabitable for the tapeworm(s). > I am not recomending any of these to be given to bees, just discussing > them > so far. > > Herbally Echinacea (Echinacea Augustofolia ), AKA. Purple Cone > Flower, is > an immune system strengthener. Golden Seal (Hydrastis Canadensis L. > ) is > also an immune system herb, which also acts synergistically to > strengthen > the action of herbs it is combined with. Marigold ( Calendula > Officianalis > ) is also another healer, it also is resinous which might increase > propolis > production. There are other herbs I will get to in later discussions. > > Possibly if Echinacea, Goldenseal, Garlic and Calendula were planted > in > proximity to the hives, thusly allowing the bees to pollinate the > flowers > and pick up the healing properties, this MAY help. According to "Plants & Beekeeping in Canada" by Jane Ramsay and my own observations in my garden:Echinacea has only sometimes been a limited late source of nectar, has occasionally been reported as unattractive to honeybees, is not a pollen source and honeybees are rarely seen on them in the author's garden nor in mine > Direct administration of these herbs to bees would be dangerous as the > > quantities to be given is difficult, to say the least, to determine. > > BUT, Homeopathic titrations of these herbs could be administered > SAFELY to > bees in sugar water. Homeopathy takes the original substance and > dilutes > (titrates) it many times. After this process there is CHEMICALLY no > trace > of the original chemicals present. Homeopathy believes that the > ENERGY of > the substance is what effects the cure, and is what is transferred in > the > titration process. Homeopathy has been used extensively in treating > babies > and in vetinary medicine for its safety and NON-poisonous nature. > > Well enough for now, I'll add more at a later time. > > Peace and Good Health, (;->) > Curtis Seyfried > cseyfrie@mail.interport.net , curtisseyfri@valise.com > CS Enterprises POB. 110675 Brooklyn, NY. 11211 (718) 599-2458 > > ======================== > Consultant, B.Sc. - Environmental & Life Sciences, MA. - Environmental > > Policy Studies and Analysis - SUNYESC, 1992-97 > Diplomas - New York University - Paralegal Studies, 1995 & Building > Construction Project Management, 1988. > > Promoting local economic growth through the formation of cooperative > businesses, revolving around food waste composting, local/regional > high > value agriculture, and cooperative marketing. > Waste-to-fertilizer-to-food-to jobs. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:11:36 -1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Walter Patton Subject: Re: Arizona pollen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aloha from Hawaii What are you accustomed to paying for your pollen? What are your specifications for handeling.? What are your terms of payment? Hawaii is mite free and our hives are never in contact with miteacides. We feel that we produce some of the puriest and cleanest bee hive products on earth. Hope to hear from you soon. Walter Walter & Elisabeth Patton 808-964-5401 Hawaii Time ? Hale Lamalani B & B Hawaiian Honey House House of Heavenly Light Beekeepers & Honeypackers Bed & Breakfast and Honey Bee Dude Ranch www.hawaiihoney.com hihoney@hawaiihoney.com 27-703 A. Ka`ie`ie Rd., Papa`ikou, Hawaii 96781 " The Beehive, the Fountain of Youth and Health "+ ---------- > From: K. Bokhorst > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Arizona pollen > Date: Friday, February 06, 1998 10:44 AM > > Greetings from the Netherlands > > For a client I am looking for Arizona bee pollen. > I found on the net that this is supplied by Arizona Nutritionals, but I > can't find this firm. > Is there anybody who knows that firm? > Or a phone-or fax number. > PS > If there is a beekeeper in that region who can supply 300-600 kgs it's OK > for me as well > > Again :Greetings from the Netherlands ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:45:03 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rick Hough Subject: A Request to improve BEE-L Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I'm posting this note as a friendly request, as I have noticed an increase in "personal traffic" on BEE-L. This list will remain useful and interesting only if we all cooperate to maintain a high "signal to noise ratio" i.e. lots of interesting, high value, broadly applicable messages, with a minimum of messages that are of interest to only one or two people. Please be careful using the "REPLY" button - for most BEE-L messages, the REPLY button will send your response to everyone on the list. That is fine if the message will be of broad interest, but if the message is intended for just one person, please send the message direct to them by replacing the BEE-L address in the To: field with the individual's e-mail address. Everyone on the list will appreciate not having to delete your personal conversations. Think before you mail! Thanks for listening. And thanks for all the interesting discussions. Rick Hough, rshough@tasc.com A BEE-L lurker ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:01:30 -0500 Reply-To: beesbest@mediaone.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kathy Organization: Red Maple Farm Subject: Re: Parasitic Mites & Herbology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoops, hit an unintentional button, my previous post on this topic was incomplete... Sorry everyone. Curtis, I'm a bit confused by some of what you have written and have commented below on the parts that i don't understand, that don't make sense to me, or that conflict with what i know &/or have observed about honeybee behaviour. Curtis Seyfried wrote: > For Discussion. Please read carefully and fully, do not use this > advice > until a full discussion and understanding has occured. > > Iam new to this list and know a little about bees. I have also > studied > Western & chinese herbal medicine, Homeopathic medicine, > aromatherapy and > other alternative therapies for 26 years now. > >From this I feel that I Might have somethig to offer this group. > > >From a herbal medicine (hm) perspective parasites of any form can > only take > a foothold in, or on, an individual when their natural immune system > is not > functioning properly. This can be caused by many factors, > environmental > stress and pollutatnt, poor nutrition, and others. So far, this makes sense to me, and i would identify both the varroa and the tracheal mites to be environmental stress (of the choices in your statement). They are certainly not caused by poor nutrition or pollution. > It seems to me that bees, like other life forms, would naturally be > able to > throw off parasitic mites if their immune systems were functioning > normally. This is where i begin to get confused... it seems to me that the parasites (external stress) would *cause* immune system problems and it doesn't follow that manipulating the immune system in any other way (as with vitamins or homeopathy) would *cause* the parasite to go away. I seem to recall that when each of these mites was accidentally/inadvertantly/whatever introduced to apis mellifera, colonies were pretty darn healthy, so by this reasoning, why would they have been infected in the first place? > Cats and Dogs can be rid of fleas and other parasites by > including in the diet nutritional supplements that parasites dislike : > > Garlic, Brewers Yeast, Thiamine (a B vitamin). I have also rid my > cats of > tape worms by using an old antibiotic remedy called "Colloidial > Silver" > (CS). CS is a titration (minute dilution) of the metal silver in > deionized > water. It is created through an electrochemical process and creates a > 1 > part per million or lower concentration. These two examples seem to me to contradict what you said above about manipulating the immune system to throw off the parasites. In both instances you have used things that target the parasites, either by making the cat/dog taste/smell bad to the parasite or by making theintestine uninhabitable for the tapeworm(s). > I am not recomending any of these to be given to bees, just discussing > them > so far. > > Herbally Echinacea (Echinacea Augustofolia ), AKA. Purple Cone > Flower, is > an immune system strengthener. Golden Seal (Hydrastis Canadensis L. > ) is > also an immune system herb, which also acts synergistically to > strengthen > the action of herbs it is combined with. Marigold ( Calendula > Officianalis > ) is also another healer, it also is resinous which might increase > propolis > production. There are other herbs I will get to in later discussions. > > Possibly if Echinacea, Goldenseal, Garlic and Calendula were planted > in > proximity to the hives, thusly allowing the bees to pollinate the > flowers > and pick up the healing properties, this MAY help. According to "Plants & Beekeeping in Canada" by Jane Ramsay and my own observations in my garden: Echinacea has only sometimes been a limited late source of nectar, has occasionally been reported as unattractive to honeybees, is not a pollen source and honeybees are rarely seen on them in the author's garden nor in mine. Goldenseal is not even mentioned as a possible nectar or pollen source, perhaps because it is grown in more southern climates? perhaps because it is of no interest to honeybees? Garlic (and other allium) are mentioned as being a good nectar source, sometimes pollen source, producing more nectar in moist areas but some allium do not have nectaries, and unless planted for seed (or for forage as you suggest) they are harvested before they flower. My bees have loved leeks and chives, but i've never let my garlic bloom. Marigold is mentioned as a moderate source for late pollen. I seldom see bees working my marigolds. Besides the limited attractiveness of these plants to honeybees, what would make us think that tinctures that are useful to human immune systems and sometimes to other mammals would stimulate the health of honeybees? > Direct administration of these herbs to bees would be dangerous as the > > quantities to be given is difficult, to say the least, to determine. > > BUT, Homeopathic titrations of these herbs could be administered > SAFELY to > bees in sugar water. Homeopathy takes the original substance and > dilutes > (titrates) it many times. After this process there is CHEMICALLY no > trace > of the original chemicals present. Homeopathy believes that the > ENERGY of > the substance is what effects the cure, and is what is transferred in > the > titration process. Homeopathy has been used extensively in treating > babies > and in vetinary medicine for its safety and NON-poisonous nature. At the risk of tangling with another person's belief system, have there been further scientific studies (than the ones i have seen) that prove homeopathy to be more effective than placebo effect? If so, then please point me to them. If not then i would doubt that homeopathy would stimulate a honeybees immune system, since by all reports psychotherapy and anger management therapy has failed to work for AHB :^). On a more serious note, planting for bees "treatment" needs is not a new idea. When mint oils were first being studied as treatment for tracheal mites, we planted WAY too much mint in our home apiary (you can taste the mintyness of some frames of honey) and i *believe* it has helped the bees in our home yard (not the same as scientific study). There may also be things that can be planted that honeybees like that will repel varroa as well. If i understand the research correctly (& i'm paraphrasing) studies have shown that there's an odor (or someway) that the newly emerged honeybee's cuticle communicates to the mites what age it is, and that because it is young nurse bees that the mites quest for, if one can mask their smell or make them smell older, less mites breed, therefore less mites. I would guess that this is how Dr Sammataro's crisco patties work, likewise the mint oils and thymol, & probably also the FGMO. Has anyone else on the list planted for their bees (other than for nectar or pollen sources)??? What did you plant & why?? Do you think it was a successful planting?? TTYL, Kathy > Well enough for now, I'll add more at a later time. > > Peace and Good Health, (;->) > Curtis Seyfried > cseyfrie@mail.interport.net , curtisseyfri@valise.com > CS Enterprises POB. 110675 Brooklyn, NY. 11211 (718) 599-2458 > > ======================== > Consultant, B.Sc. - Environmental & Life Sciences, MA. - Environmental > > Policy Studies and Analysis - SUNYESC, 1992-97 > Diplomas - New York University - Paralegal Studies, 1995 & Building > Construction Project Management, 1988. > > Promoting local economic growth through the formation of cooperative > businesses, revolving around food waste composting, local/regional > high > value agriculture, and cooperative marketing. > Waste-to-fertilizer-to-food-to jobs. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:02:21 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: Resistant Varroa Mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi to ALL. The problem with beekeepers, seems to me, is that due to stinging their hearing sense to becomes affected. Beekeepers seem to become deaf and incentive to good sense and tend to ignore any sound of alert. Those that have read my files on the use of mineral oil (please read them if you haven't), have to agree that I have stated that after 13 years working with bee mites, I suspected that mites would eventually develop RESISTANCE to chemical treatment; hence alternative methods of treatment were needed. Thirteen years of self financed work have made quite a dent on my personal finances, yet I am not complaining. It has been fun and not in vain. Response to declaration of my findings has been mixed, many rewards and near lynching demands have overflowed my electronic mail, but work continues uninhibited. Even though my work stands to benefit every beekeeper in the world in particular and humanity in general, my pleas for help (except for three people) have gone unheard. If beekeepers are not concerned about the welfare of their trade, bees, why should legislators and government bear the responsibility. If the people who know about bees do not seem to care, why expect laic individuals or institutions to bear the responsibility? Don't fret, I don't think that any of us bearing the burden will quit. With or without help, our work shall go on so that others may pick up where our limitations halt our efforts. Best regards. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:04:24 -1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Walter Patton Subject: Re: Bad use of list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please except my apologies. I di not intend to respond via the list Walter ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 01:08:17 +0200 Reply-To: pimapis@rls.roknet.ro Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Marian Pintilie Organization: - Subject: Re: FGMO and PGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Randy Thanks for your answer > Well, foul broods are caused by microorganisms, and they definitely > aren't desirable! Chalkbrood, nosema, dysentry....all "diseases", so > they wouldn't be considered "clean". I did not said that propolis is a perfect antibiotic, obvious there are some little creatures which can survive it , especialy if the hive is not wealthy (Strong )enough to produce the desired propolis. Fortunately these diseases are not transmisible. But not this is the point. What I intented to say is that the interior of the lived hive is cleaner that our hands , air from our house or even our mouths because propolis kill a lot of unwanted guests. Can somebody prove the oposite with scientific tests? If will be proved that interior of the hive is not "food grade" than oviously the honey will be not commestible before sterilization :) Old brood comb darkens, from bee > excrement, not a really "clean" event. I knew that comb darkens because of deposit of "shirts" leaved by larvae, not other type of waste. I work in a microscopy lab, and > don't feel much need to research what I feel is proably the obvious, > hives are "dirty". Scientist must research. If you like to be lead by feelings than you should work as an artist :) I still would like to find a chart of the amounts of microorganisms found in hive, honey, a healthy mouth, air, a washed hand , a dirty one , one dirty of a car mechanic ... Is a really subject of study if we cosider the microorganismms on a whole, or by types dangerous for health. Does anybody raise the glove? Costel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:31:36 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Curtis Seyfried Subject: RE : Re: Parasitic Mites & Herbology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kathy, Thank you for your constructive criticsm. I know little about bees and was only talking from my herbal experience for discussion and brainstorming purposes. I have learned some useful infor from your comments. See below for individual replies. I hope others will read both of our comments and add their own if they wish. At 06:01 PM 2/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >Curtis, >I'm a bit confused by some of what you have written and have commented >below on the parts that i don't understand, that don't make sense to me, >or that conflict with what i know &/or have observed about honeybee >behaviour. > >Curtis Seyfried wrote: >> For Discussion. Please read carefully and fully, do not use this >> advice >> until a full discussion and understanding has occured. >> Iam new to this list and know a little about bees. I have also >> studied >> Western & chinese herbal medicine, Homeopathic medicine, >> aromatherapy and >> other alternative therapies for 26 years now. >> >From this I feel that I Might have somethig to offer this group. >> >From a herbal medicine (hm) perspective parasites of any form can >> only take >> a foothold in, or on, an individual when their natural immune system >> is not >> functioning properly. This can be caused by many factors, >> environmental >> stress and pollutatnt, poor nutrition, and others. >So far, this makes sense to me, and i would identify both the varroa and >the tracheal mites to be environmental stress (of the choices in your >statement). They are certainly not caused by poor nutrition or >pollution. Poor nutrition can be a mitigating factor in susespibility to parasites. Our general environment has been under much stress, pollution in general is one of those stresses. There has been little research on the effects of pollution on the chemical Quality of plants grown in a polluted environment. And since we have already polluted most all of this planet we will never know. >> It seems to me that bees, like other life forms, would naturally be >> able to >> throw off parasitic mites if their immune systems were functioning >> normally. > >This is where i begin to get confused... it seems to me that the >parasites (external stress) would *cause* immune system problems and it >doesn't follow that manipulating the immune system in any other way (as >with vitamins or homeopathy) would *cause* the parasite to go away. I >seem to recall that when each of these mites was >accidentally/inadvertantly/whatever introduced to apis mellifera, >colonies were pretty darn healthy, so by this reasoning, why would they >have been infected in the first place? Parasites, WOULD additionally cause immune system problems, if this is an immune system problem. I was only hypothesizing for discussion from my experience with other species parasites. >> Cats and Dogs can be rid of fleas and other parasites by >> including in the diet nutritional supplements that parasites dislike : >> >> Garlic, Brewers Yeast, Thiamine (a B vitamin). I have also rid my >> cats of >> tape worms by using an old antibiotic remedy called "Colloidial >> Silver" >> (CS). CS is a titration (minute dilution) of the metal silver in >> deionized >> water. It is created through an electrochemical process and creates a >> 1 >> part per million or lower concentration. > >These two examples seem to me to contradict what you said above about >manipulating the immune system to throw off the parasites. In both >instances you have used things that target the parasites, either by >making the cat/dog taste/smell bad to the parasite or by making >theintestine uninhabitable for the tapeworm(s). This is not a contradiction, but IN ADDITION TO healthier immune system functioning. >> I am not recomending any of these to be given to bees, just discussing >> them >> so far. >> >> Herbally Echinacea (Echinacea Augustofolia ), AKA. Purple Cone >> Flower, is >> an immune system strengthener. Golden Seal (Hydrastis Canadensis L. >> ) is >> also an immune system herb, which also acts synergistically to >> strengthen >> the action of herbs it is combined with. Marigold ( Calendula >> Officianalis >> ) is also another healer, it also is resinous which might increase >> propolis >> production. There are other herbs I will get to in later discussions. >> >> Possibly if Echinacea, Goldenseal, Garlic and Calendula were planted >> in >> proximity to the hives, thusly allowing the bees to pollinate the >> flowers >> and pick up the healing properties, this MAY help. > >According to "Plants & Beekeeping in Canada" by Jane Ramsay and my own >observations in my garden: >Echinacea has only sometimes been a limited late source of nectar, has >occasionally been reported as unattractive to honeybees, is not a pollen >source and honeybees are rarely seen on them in the author's garden nor >in mine. >Goldenseal is not even mentioned as a possible nectar or pollen source, >perhaps because it is grown in more southern climates? perhaps because >it is of no interest to honeybees? >Garlic (and other allium) are mentioned as being a good nectar source, >sometimes pollen source, producing more nectar in moist areas but some >allium do not have nectaries, and unless planted for seed (or for forage >as you suggest) they are harvested before they flower. My bees have >loved leeks and chives, but i've never let my garlic bloom. >Marigold is mentioned as a moderate source for late pollen. I seldom see >bees working my marigolds. > >Besides the limited attractiveness of these plants to honeybees, what >would make us think that tinctures that are useful to human immune >systems and sometimes to other mammals would stimulate the health of >honeybees? I was not aware of the unattractiveness of these plants to bees. As to cross-species effectiveness, it is NOT always so, but possible. Historically Humans learned most herbal lore from observing what plants animals used when they were sick. We also learned from experimentation, sometimes unsuccessful, sometimes deadly. >> Direct administration of these herbs to bees would be dangerous as the >> >> quantities to be given is difficult, to say the least, to determine. >> >> BUT, Homeopathic titrations of these herbs could be administered >> SAFELY to >> bees in sugar water. Homeopathy takes the original substance and >> dilutes >> (titrates) it many times. After this process there is CHEMICALLY no >> trace >> of the original chemicals present. Homeopathy believes that the >> ENERGY of >> the substance is what effects the cure, and is what is transferred in >> the >> titration process. Homeopathy has been used extensively in treating >> babies >> and in vetinary medicine for its safety and NON-poisonous nature. > >At the risk of tangling with another person's belief system, have there >been further scientific studies (than the ones i have seen) that prove >homeopathy to be more effective than placebo effect? If so, then please >point me to them. If not then i would doubt that homeopathy would >stimulate a honeybees immune system, since by all reports psychotherapy >and anger management therapy has failed to work for AHB :^). Tangle away as you wish, I enjoy open honest discussion as long as it is not personally denegrating. So far I have enjoyed your comments. Honest Discussion between inteligent individuals is how ideas are formed. You may have interpretations or knowledge that I have never experienced, and vica-versa. By sharing we expose each other to new knowledge, and we each interpret each others knowledge base from our own unique perspectives and experience. > >On a more serious note, planting for bees "treatment" needs is not a new >idea. When mint oils were first being studied as treatment for tracheal >mites, we planted WAY too much mint in our home apiary (you can taste >the mintyness of some frames of honey) and i *believe* it has helped >the bees in our home yard (not the same as scientific study). There may >also be things that can be planted that honeybees like that will repel >varroa as well. > >If i understand the research correctly (& i'm paraphrasing) studies have >shown that there's an odor (or someway) that the newly emerged >honeybee's cuticle communicates to the mites what age it is, and that >because it is young nurse bees that the mites quest for, if one can mask >their smell or make them smell older, less mites breed, therefore less >mites. I would guess that this is how Dr Sammataro's crisco patties >work, likewise the mint oils and thymol, & probably also the FGMO. > >Has anyone else on the list planted for their bees (other than for >nectar or pollen sources)??? >What did you plant & why?? Do you think it was a successful planting?? > >TTYL, >Kathy > >> Well enough for now, I'll add more at a later time. > > Peace , Curtis Seyfried. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:17:40 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Re: swarm traps Comments: cc: joschmid@u.arizona.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With regard to the description and use of swarm traps, Justin Schmidt just sent me a message: "Actually the best paper for beekeepers on swarm traps is the ABJ paper "Swarm traps" 129:468-71 (1989)." And, yes, they do work! Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 893-2838 (UCSB office) Ecol., Evol., & Marine Biology (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara (805) 963-8508 (home office & FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 *********************************************************************** * "Discovery is to see what everyone else has seen, * * but to think what no one else has thought." * * --- Albert Szent-Gyorgyi * *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:19:26 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Andy Nachbaur (by way of Andy Nachbaur )" Subject: Ag. Dep't Postpones Organic Rules Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpwh07.htm Ag. Dep't Postpones Organic Rules By CURT ANDERSON AP Farm Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- Amid mounting protests from pro-organic groups, Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman said Friday that action on new national organic labeling rules would be postponed for 45 days to allow for more public comment. The Agriculture Department has already received more than 4,000 comments on the rules, hundreds of them objecting to the possibility that irradiation, genetic engineering and sewage sludge fertilizer could be involved in organics. Glickman, however, noted that the Agriculture Department had taken no stand on those issues and wanted to hear from the public about them. The new deadline for comment is April 30. ``This is not a final rule and should not be read to reflect how USDA will finally resolve the many difficult issues involved,'' Glickman said. ``Our goal is to develop a final rule that the organic community and all the public can embrace.'' But the mere possibility that organics rules could include a high-tech process such as irradiation to kill bacteria is anathema to most organic farmers, who say big agribusinesses seeking a share of the market are trying to move the definition away from its all-natural history. ``We as organic farmers and our customers will not sit idly back and have (the rules) force-fed to us by corporate agribusiness lobbyists and bureaucrats in Washington,'' said George Siemon, chief executive of an organic co-op in LaFarge, Wis. ``The farmers of our co-op will not lower our standards.'' Several big corporations have launched organic product lines in recent years as consumers -- increasingly concerned about pesticides and other chemicals in food -- are now buying organic food to the tune of $3.5 billion a year and growing. The rules stemmed from a 1990 law intended to provide a national definition and label requirements for organics now governed only by a patchwork of state and private certification programs. But many organic producers say the national rules will be weaker. ``We strongly believe that the proposed rule is not compatible or consistent with current organic practices,'' said Kathleen DiMatteo, executive director of the Organic Trade Association based in Greenfield, Mass. ``As we see it, USDA's proposed rule blurs the lines between conventional and organic agriculture.'' Some other objections raised by organic farmers: --Livestock could be fed up to 20 percent non-organic feed each year and could be treated with antibiotics under certain circumstances. In addition, the rule does not mandate that animals get access to the outdoors. --Numerous recommendations of the 14-member National Organic Standards Board were ignored and more stringent local organics guidelines would not be allowed. --Loopholes could permit use of synthetic pesticides and other materials in organic farming that have never been allowed before.

--Previous uses of land wouldn't be adequately taken into account when it is certified for organic production, even if it once was heavily contaminated. Glickman has scheduled public hearings in Texas, Iowa, Washington state and New Jersey on the organics rules and is encouraging people to forward comments via the Internet. ``We want everyone to participate fully in this process,'' he said. The Internet address is: http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop. The hearings are: Feb. 12, Austin, Texas; Feb. 18, Ames, Iowa; Feb. 26, Seattle; March 5, New Brunswick, N.J. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:58:36 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: propolis >Re: FGMO and PGMO Comments: To: pimapis@rls.roknet.ro In-Reply-To: <34DB97E1.37B2@rls.roknet.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:08 AM 2/7/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Randy >I did not said that propolis is a perfect antibiotic, obvious there are >some little creatures which can survive it , especialy if the hive is >not wealthy (Strong )enough to produce the desired propolis. >Fortunately these diseases are not transmisible. But not this is the >point. What I intented to say is that the interior of the lived hive >is cleaner that our hands , air from our house or even our mouths >because propolis kill a lot of unwanted guests. How can you explain the healthy honeybees that are reared in areas of the world that have NO propolis at all and the fact that bees will gather and use paint off any old Out House to use in the same way as they do propolis, and many other not so nice or clean things?? I am not sure about anything but do know that propolis is a substance that is consumed in the beehive as hives moved out of areas with heavy propolis to the point the frames can not be moved without damage in one season will have none when moved to areas that have no trees or plants that produce the stickey stuff. Here they will substitute wax for propiolis and will rob it off foundation or just about anything else in the summer. ttul, the OLd Drone ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:23:18 -0000 Reply-To: rrudd@tinet.ie Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: rrudd Subject: re irradiation of hives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem with gamma ray irradiation of hives to sterilize them from AFB is that although the process kills off the disease, the dried scales are left in the cells, with the result that the queen will not lay in them and thus the frame will still have the *pepper pot* appearance characteristic of AFB. The problem arises when you next inspect for AFB, and you cannot determine whether the colony is re- infected or not. Also there aren't too many stations irradiating for the general public, and you need a large number of hives to be treated at the one time, as, I understand, there is a minimum size of container which the processors will accept. I have been beekeeping for 12 years, with 10 colonies. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 08:15:17 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Bashore Subject: Re: Microwave AFB infected equipment In-Reply-To: <61A1CFAB40BDCF119B3B080009D624A8282E75@sterwent.sterwent.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:38 AM 2/6/98 -0700, you wrote: >Could some sort of oven be made to bake AFB infected equipment? What >temp is needed to kill AFB? > >Rett > Would putting AFB infected equipment in a microwave kill the all the AFB? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:12:35 -0400 Reply-To: rossybee@entelchile.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rossy Castillo Subject: looking for MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: Please, can anybody tell me the e-mail of Diego Diaz and Paul van Westendorp? Thanks a lot Rossy Castillo rossybee@entelchile.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:43:08 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Computer Software Solutions Ltd Subject: Re: Resistant Varroa Mites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All This posting is NOT solely about Resistant Varroa Mites, so please read it, even if you have had almost too many postings on this subject. It seems to me, that with the emergence of resistant mites, that DR Rodriguez case for using non chemical treatments has been largely vindicated and possibly fully proved. It also seems to me, that there are two kinds of beekeepers. One is the older variety in terms of years spent with bees. I am of the opinion that these beekeepers are not too open to new ideas. The other variety, like myself, is the newer beekeeper, who is more open to new ideas, since every idea to us is a new idea. Like all activities carried out in this technological age, beekeeping is better for a technological approach which is environmentally benign. I have plans to put Dr Rodriguez system into operation as soon as I can. It is now largely held, that chemical means of treating problems have had some unwanted side effects. My understanding of what the Doctor is advocating, is a mechanical treatment for the varroa and other mites, whereby you just kill them as it were mechanically, and the killing leaves no trace in the hive and hence in the environment. It is rather like the difference between swatting flies and treating them with DDT, and we all know what the DDT did. Rachel Carson's chilling book, Silent Spring, which though thankfully did not happen with the force which she postulated, did happen to some extent. Dr Rodriguez, I am but a recent comer to beekeeping and I would like to contribute a small sum to defray some of your expenses. An offer of this sort has already been made by other contributors. I would again ask the contributors to BEE-L (as did the other contributors), to support Dr Rodriguez in the work he is doing both for bees and the environment, and hence for us all. Could the good Doctor indicate to us where funds should be sent, and I am sure that we will not be found wanting. After all, think of the amount of valuable information (some of which possibly led to better beekeeping and hence more profit), which we have received from BEE-L free of charge, much of which has been contributed by Dr Rodriguez. I also think of how many books I would have to buy to obtain the information that I have received from BEE-L. It would come to a tidy sum. And I cannot get from a book, the personalised answers to specific questions, which I have received from BEE-L. Thanks to one and all for the time spent in reading this posting. Sincerely Tom Barrett 49 South Park Foxrock Dublin 18 Ireland e mail cssl@iol.ie Tel + 353 1 289 5269 Fax + 353 1 289 9940 Latitude 53 Deg 16' 12.8" North Longitude 06 Deg 9' 44.9" West ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:50:45 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Iannuzzi Subject: Re: Resistant Varroa Mites In-Reply-To: <199802071443.OAA18965@mail.iol.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Snip acc/ to Computer Software Solutions.... ****I couldn't disagree more!***** Tenez la foi! Jack the Bman from Ellicott City Maryland USA On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, Computer Software Solutions Ltd wrote: > Hi All > > This posting is NOT solely about Resistant Varroa Mites, so please read it, > even if you have had almost too many postings on this subject. > > It seems to me, that with the emergence of resistant mites, that DR > Rodriguez case for using non chemical treatments has been largely vindicated > and possibly fully proved. It also seems to me, that there are two kinds of > beekeepers. One is the older variety in terms of years spent with bees. I am > of the opinion that these beekeepers are not too open to new ideas. The > other variety, like myself, is the newer beekeeper, who is more open to new > ideas, since every idea to us is a new idea. Like all activities carried out > in this technological age, beekeeping is better for a technological approach > which is environmentally benign. I have plans to put Dr Rodriguez system > into operation as soon as I can. > > It is now largely held, that chemical means of treating problems have had > some unwanted side effects. My understanding of what the Doctor is > advocating, is a mechanical treatment for the varroa and other mites, > whereby you just kill them as it were mechanically, and the killing leaves > no trace in the hive and hence in the environment. It is rather like the > difference between swatting flies and treating them with DDT, and we all > know what the DDT did. Rachel Carson's chilling book, Silent Spring, which > though thankfully did not happen with the force which she postulated, did > happen to some extent. > > Dr Rodriguez, I am but a recent comer to beekeeping and I would like to > contribute a small sum to defray some of your expenses. An offer of this > sort has already been made by other contributors. I would again ask the > contributors to BEE-L (as did the other contributors), to support Dr > Rodriguez in the work he is doing both for bees and the environment, and > hence for us all. > > Could the good Doctor indicate to us where funds should be sent, and I am > sure that we will not be found wanting. After all, think of the amount of > valuable information (some of which possibly led to better beekeeping and > hence more profit), which we have received from BEE-L free of charge, much > of which has been contributed by Dr Rodriguez. I also think of how many > books I would have to buy to obtain the information that I have received > from BEE-L. It would come to a tidy sum. And I cannot get from a book, the > personalised answers to specific questions, which I have received from BEE-L. > > Thanks to one and all for the time spent in reading this posting. > > Sincerely > Tom Barrett > 49 South Park > Foxrock > Dublin 18 > Ireland > > e mail cssl@iol.ie > Tel + 353 1 289 5269 > Fax + 353 1 289 9940 > > Latitude 53 Deg 16' 12.8" North > Longitude 06 Deg 9' 44.9" West > **John Iannuzzi, Ph.D. **38 years in apiculture **12 hives of Italian honeybees **At Historic Ellicott City, Maryland, 21042, U.S.A. (10 miles west of Baltimore, Maryland) [9772 Old Annapolis Rd - 410 730 5279] **"Forsooth there is some good in things evil For bees extract sweetness from the weed" -- Bard of Avon **Website: http://www.xmetric.com/honey **Email: jiannuzz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us [1jan981031est] ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:59:38 -0800 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Microwave AFB infected equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, Way back when I first started keeping bees I used the microwave to soften the wax on frames. It worked but I had to be very careful and keep the zaps short because you have nails in the frames and they would localize heat. Ended up with soften wax and also "soft" joints where the frames were nailed. So that ended that. My guess is that you would end up with burning frames if you tried to acheive the temperatures needed to kill AFB spores. Plus, it is very labor intensive to zap frame by frame by frame. If you built a large microwave to take the boxes too, then, my guess is, the problem with localized heating would be overwhelming. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Paul Bashore wrote: > At 08:38 AM 2/6/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Could some sort of oven be made to bake AFB infected equipment? What > >temp is needed to kill AFB? > > > >Rett > > > Would putting AFB infected equipment in a microwave kill the all the AFB? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:17:10 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Henry Subject: Re: A Request to improve BEE-L Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit OK ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:16:15 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: Resistant Varroa Mites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Tom and all: I thank you for your kind words of acknowledgment for what contributors to Bee-L achieve for beekeeping. Without doubt, beekeeping is a winner in this respect. Regarding contributions for my research. This idea was given to me by a Bee-L subscriber. I thought about for a long time (perhaps too long) and decided to go for it because additional funds would widen the scope of the things that I need do (such as laboratory tests). I am aware of the possibility of getting funds through institutions, BUT, I don't want to get into agreements that might result in a virtual gag. I want to be able to tell the World what my findings are unimpeded, be they what they might. Also, research grants take so much red tape resulting in being very time consuming. I would be very happy if someone could come up with an idea for a "trust" fund for this purpose to which individual contributions could be made in anonymity. Accountability would be much easier and management transparent. Suggestions any one? I wish to thank each and everyone for your letters of support and kind remarks about my work. Best regards. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA Computer Software Solutions Ltd wrote: > Hi All > > This posting is NOT solely about Resistant Varroa Mites, so please read it, > even if you have had almost too many postings on this subject. > > It seems to me, that with the emergence of resistant mites, that DR > Rodriguez case for using non chemical treatments has been largely vindicated > and possibly fully proved. It also seems to me, that there are two kinds of > beekeepers. One is the older variety in terms of years spent with bees. I am > of the opinion that these beekeepers are not too open to new ideas. The > other variety, like myself, is the newer beekeeper, who is more open to new > ideas, since every idea to us is a new idea. Like all activities carried out > in this technological age, beekeeping is better for a technological approach > which is environmentally benign. I have plans to put Dr Rodriguez system > into operation as soon as I can. > > It is now largely held, that chemical means of treating problems have had > some unwanted side effects. My understanding of what the Doctor is > advocating, is a mechanical treatment for the varroa and other mites, > whereby you just kill them as it were mechanically, and the killing leaves > no trace in the hive and hence in the environment. It is rather like the > difference between swatting flies and treating them with DDT, and we all > know what the DDT did. Rachel Carson's chilling book, Silent Spring, which > though thankfully did not happen with the force which she postulated, did > happen to some extent. > > Dr Rodriguez, I am but a recent comer to beekeeping and I would like to > contribute a small sum to defray some of your expenses. An offer of this > sort has already been made by other contributors. I would again ask the > contributors to BEE-L (as did the other contributors), to support Dr > Rodriguez in the work he is doing both for bees and the environment, and > hence for us all. > > Could the good Doctor indicate to us where funds should be sent, and I am > sure that we will not be found wanting. After all, think of the amount of > valuable information (some of which possibly led to better beekeeping and > hence more profit), which we have received from BEE-L free of charge, much > of which has been contributed by Dr Rodriguez. I also think of how many > books I would have to buy to obtain the information that I have received > from BEE-L. It would come to a tidy sum. And I cannot get from a book, the > personalised answers to specific questions, which I have received from BEE-L. > > Thanks to one and all for the time spent in reading this posting. > > Sincerely > Tom Barrett > 49 South Park > Foxrock > Dublin 18 > Ireland > > e mail cssl@iol.ie > Tel + 353 1 289 5269 > Fax + 353 1 289 9940 > > Latitude 53 Deg 16' 12.8" North > Longitude 06 Deg 9' 44.9" West ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:14:12 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Research Grants Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At the risk of starting another war with Dr. Pedro, the veterinarian, we should clarify some definitions concerning non-profit research, grants, and contracts. 1. In the U.S., most Research Grants REQUIRE Publication and Dissemination of Results - they do not impose a gag on the investigator. Failure to publish in Peer-Reviewed Journals will bring one's research to an end in a hurry. Most academic and national laboratory research falls into this category. 2. Research Contracts - a funding mechanism more commonly used by the private sector, may impose proprietary claims. If they paid for it, they want all products and rights. An example might be if a Producer/Distributor of a miticide such as Formic Acid paid a Lab to produce a gel-substrate that could be used to dispense a miticide in hive. 3. Academic and Government Bee Research Facilities are Non-Profit Organizations. At the University, our Grants and Contracts are mainly Cost-Reimbursed. We are closely audited on all projects, and must account for each and every purchase and expense, regardless of how small or large. 4. Grants and Contracts do involve a lot of red-tape. Most are highly competitive (you have to convince the folks with the money that you have a better idea or can do a better job), closely monitored (for the quality of the work as well as the expenditures), and expect a lot, including publication. With the odds often 1 in 8 or lower of getting any money, it takes a lot of work to go after competitively awarded funding. The typical grant proposal is 10-25 pages long, without resumes, budgets, etc. They are announced in the Business Commerce Daily or similar venue. You often have less than 60 days to respond. You have to write up your ideas, reference pertinent literature, provide a solid experimental design (detail the approach), lay out a work plan (the steps needed to accomplish the work), provide a milestone schedule (when critical tasks are completed), agree to provide a final, annual (and often quarterly progress) reports, indicate the results and benefits expected, and describe your qualifications, as well as describing your facilities and equipment. Some sponsors also require Written Quality Assurance and Quality Control Plans as well as Safety Plans. Budgets can be ugly. Some sponsors require time and effort broken out by individual by day. Many require itemizations of all proposed purchases. All rates have fixed limits (such as travel costs for lodging, food, etc.) and must conform to guidelines. You also have to submit certifications covering a variety of issues from a drug-free work environment to proper auditing and purchasing. We have been writing competitive proposals for over 20 years. Short proposals require at least a day to write. Most proposals take on- and off- hard work over at least a couple of weeks. Large project proposals become marathons - with no assurance that you will get any return for the effort. Our state-wide research and education proposals run to 200 pages, and most have to be prepared annually. I encourage every beekeeper to help promote and sponsor critical research. But if you send your check, you have a right to expect a full accounting of what you paid for (how was the money spent, what was the research, what are the results?). There are many good researchers in this world who would be more than glad to have some support for a bit of equipment, or a student. And many are non-profit. Cheers J.J. Bromenshenk ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:04:12 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Stan Sandler Subject: Re: Pollen traps and supersedure Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Lloyd and All: >You say "have been using pollen traps for 10 years...". Interesting, as I >see you are in the Northeast. With our relatively high humidity, do you dry >the pollen? If you do, how do you do it? If you don't, do you have trouble >with mold? Do you sell the pollen, or just use it as feed? I put out 10 traps this past season. It was the first time I had tried any amount. Most of the pollen I preserved in sugar for feeding, but some I froze to investigate marketing it here (PEI Canada, similar climate to Northeast USA). Since I couldn't put it in the stores frozen I have been packing some in honey. I notice from visiting the COMVITA web site in New Zealand that they market some of their pollen in that fashion. One advantage, to my way of thinking is, is that this is sort of how the bees preserve the pollen when they make beebread, without whatever enzymes they add albeit. The disadvantage is that the pollen pellets lose their nice shape and colour and the jars look like they contain a rather homogenous and not very attractive paste. Regards Stan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:39:44 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: Research Grants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jerry J Bromenshenk wrote: I am compelled to answer this post since my reputation, my work and good name may be implied. 1. I never had, I do not have now, and never will have a quarrel with the scientific community nor with their standards. 2. I have three university level diplomas in the course of which I was associated with researchers of international recognition. Hence, I am not unware of the requirements imposed on those who utilize research funding. 3. It is well known that I am a one man research unit. I am not unique in that respect since I am not the only person in the World who performs independent research. 4. Unlike organized institutional research, I do not have the "machinery" and staff necessary to accomplish the required paper work involved in obtaining grants. Not that I am not capable of doing it because I have worked in protocol and budget preparations at much higher levels than what would be required for my research needs. 5. When the idea of requesting assistance for my work was presented to me, I turned it down thinking that I could continue my work without it. However, my supporters convinced me that the scope of my work could be greatly enhanced if I did obtain assistance, hence my letters to Bee-L. 6. I would never accept a contributrion that did not come through a "trust" type fund in order to maintain accountability and transparency of the account. 7. I have plead and I am still pleading researchers to perform corroborative work about my research findings. And I am aware, as I speak, that researh money has been awarded for research with nineral oil as a miticide. I have offered my full cooperation with that effort and welcome any others that may be interested on specific details in this area. 8. But, does that imply that I should stop my studies, unothodox as they might seem? I hardly believe so. My work is just beginning to show its efficacy and my most important phase is yet to be started this year: "fine tuning" the procedure in order to make it cost effective for commercial beekeeping. 9. Food for thought. If my work proves to have merit (as it seems to have according to independent international testimonials), and if it is performed solely for the benefit of beekeeping, why should anyone oppose it? Best regards. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:06:49 +0100 Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: FGMO standardized form MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would sure like to hear a follow up from Allen on the issue of a standardized form for those who will be using FGMO this year. Who will be putting this form together and when will it be available? Spring is just around the corner. -Barry -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:18:21 +0200 Reply-To: pimapis@rls.roknet.ro Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Marian Pintilie Organization: - Subject: Re: propolis >Re: FGMO and PGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andy > How can you explain the healthy honeybees that are reared in areas of the > world that have NO propolis at all It seem to me that you too did not got my point of view. I repeat, In average, the interior of a lived hive is cleaner than the usual enviroment which touch our food . I mean regarding microorganisms and toxic substances. I was not aware that are hives without propolis, (I saw that some hives are well glued and near are other with almost nothing, but thin layer is always there) . If those bees do not use propolis (Do not have ingredients or do not know to produce it) are healthy because maybe was not yet discocered by Columb to give them flu or use spells to cure the evil :) >and the fact that bees will gather and > use paint off any old Out House to use in the same way as they do propolis, > and many other not so nice or clean things?? If somewhere in this world are some bees located in a garbage field who chosed to lick the Cola cans instead of starving doesn't mean that the rest of the hives of the world are filthy. The idea of unclean hives started, from the statement that FGMO in contact with the filth will be the same as PGMO. I this statement is true , I mean if the hive is unclean, than bees walking in that unclean stuff and next in combs cells, will make the honey unclean, so unfit for human consumption.!!! Soooo, be careful with such statements, because if will get to the ears of those who decide what is "eatable" and what not will let you to sell the honey only if : - the honey is sterilised - the honey is washed with food grade soap, or - your bees use boots outside of comb and antiseptic socks on combs. Jocking, or not , I can give more arguments that hive are cleaner than us humans. Can anybody convice me the opossite? A scientific approach will be much credible. Costel ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:50:34 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Curtis Seyfried Subject: Re: FGMO standardized form Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What is FGMO and PGMO ? Peace and Good Health, (;->) Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net , curtisseyfri@valise.com CS Enterprises POB. 110675 Brooklyn, NY. 11211 (718) 599-2458 ======================== Consultant, B.Sc. - Environmental & Life Sciences, MA. - Environmental Policy Studies and Analysis - SUNYESC, 1992-97 Diplomas - New York University - Paralegal Studies, 1995 & Building Construction Project Management, 1988. Promoting local economic growth through the formation of cooperative businesses, revolving around food waste composting, local/regional high value agriculture, and cooperative marketing. Waste-to-fertilizer-to-food-to jobs. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:06:29 +0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert Bowman Subject: Re: re irradiation of hives Comments: To: rrudd@tinet.ie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: rrudd > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: re irradiation of hives > Date: Saturday, 7 February 1998 17:23 > > The problem with gamma ray irradiation of hives to sterilize them from AFB > is that although the process kills off the disease, the dried scales are > left in the cells, with the result that the queen will not lay in them and > thus the frame will still have the *pepper pot* appearance characteristic > of AFB. > The problem arises when you next inspect for AFB, and you cannot determine > whether the colony is re- infected or not. > Also there aren't too many stations irradiating for the general public, and > you need a large number of hives to be treated at the one time, as, I > understand, there is a minimum size of container which the processors will > accept. > I have been beekeeping for 12 years, with 10 colonies. The irradiation of bee equipment under the direction of NSW Dept of Agriculture requires the infected colony be destroyed and the brood combs burnt. This eliminates the problem of residual scales. The honey from supers must be extracted.The heat during the irradiation process will otherwise cause honey to run out of the supers especially if not yet capped over. Honey sourced from AFB infected hives is kept separate and containers marked as carrying AFB spores. This honey is directed toward manufacturing trade by packers. The minimum unit is three decks with an irradiation cost around $20 Aust. We have only one facility available in Sydney NSW and is quite happy to provide this type of service. .Once irradiated the equipment is immediately available for use. The beekeeperonly required to replace brood combs and bees. Regards Rob Bowman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:52:08 -0600 Reply-To: allend@internode.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Subject: Repost: Best of BEE-L MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Want to reduce your email, but still read and participate in most of the worthwhile discussions from BEE-L? Subscribing to 'Best of Bee' will bring you only selected and edited posts from BEE-L. This is a reduction of 10 to 90% in mail flow (well over 50% in recent days). Best of Bee is best suited to experienced beekeepers and others who wish to avoid very basic discussions, chatter, flames, misdirected posts, requests for money, basic questions that have been answered twenty times in the logs (five times incorrectly), loooonnggggg quotes and 'me too' responses -- but still track the significant activity on the BEE-L mailing list. How to receive Best of Bee: Send email to HoneyBee@systronix.net, saying JOIN BESTOFBEE you@whatever.com Replace 'you@whatever.com' in the above command with the actual email address to which you want the list to be sent -- (usually yours). If you are a BEE-L subscriber and want to turn off BEE-L without losing the privilege of posting to BEE-L in response to BEE-L messages received on 'Best of Bee', send email to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU saying SET BEE-L NOMAIL There are currently almost 500 subscribers to Best of Bee. For more information, send email to bees@systronix.net, saying SEND BESTBEE in the subject line. 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For those who want to know more about the selection and editorial policies of Best of Bee, send email to bees@systronix.net, saying SEND CRITERIA in the subject line. --- Allen allend@internode.net http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Spring.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:14:41 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Nick The Beeman Subject: trach Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit How does the use of wintergreen oil work for some of you, Nick The (beemannick@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:39:35 +0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert Bowman Subject: Re: irradiation of hives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Teresa Garcma > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: irradiation of hives > Date: Saturday, 7 February 1998 0:06 > > Robert, > > Could you please explain a little bit more about this irradiation > technique? With what do you irradiate? Is it not dangerous for the > person who does it? Is it done "All over" Australia"? and please, just > out of curiosity, what part of Australia are you from? > > Tere > The irradiation method used is the same as that used to sterilise items such as disposable surgical gloves, saline solutions for drips, condoms etc. The type of irradiation is the use of gamma rays emitted from radioactive cobalt I think. The dose rate (level of radiation) is measured and accurate. The irradiation is carried out by fully qualified persons in registered facilities. Their is no danger to the beekeeper or consumer of product from irradiated eqipment. The only honey permitted for irradiation is that which is to be used in the making of queen candy and only fed to bees. No food of any type for human consumption is permitted to be irradiated under Australian food regulations. The only facility for irradiation in NSW is located in Sydney. I live in Bathurst NSW. It is a city of around 30000 people situated in the Central Tablelands district of New South Wales. We have a cool to temperate climate. It is the oldest inland settlement of NSW and has a history of goldmining and agriculture. Touring car racing enthusiasts will be familiar with our world famous race track on Mt. Panorama which overlooks the city. The area is excellent for beekeeping (although not this year due to drought). We produce some high quality honeys from ground flora, canola and eucalypts. Good breeding conditions also make the district a favoured location for package and queen producers exporting to Asia, Canada, Europe and the Middle East. Regards Rob Bowman. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:55:37 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Bartlett Subject: Organic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why do you want to make honey " Organic "? billy bee ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:13:04 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Bartlett Subject: FGMO vs. PGMO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would not surprise, me if the truth beknown, that FGMO and PGMO come off the same assembly line. It is easier for a producer to do this in many cases. The producer would not want you to know this, since the cost of FG is higher. IMHO!!!!! ; > ) billy bee ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:17:26 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Bartlett Subject: Foulbrood MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why mess around and take a chance!!! Frames and the wax within, that are burned and buryed will never spread or contaminate another hive. Yours or anybody elses. Why gamble? billy bee ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:11:09 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tim Channell Subject: Re: Web Page Mini-Group Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Count me in also! Tim Channell, El Paso, Texas --------------- At 09:27 AM 2/7/98 -0600, you wrote: >> A few of you are building or have pages. This topic does not seem to >> appeal to most of the list, but some have expressed an interest. >> >> If you'd like to form a discussion group about web pages, interactive >> databases, how to make them, how to make them work, tricks, etc. please >> contact me directly. > >Hi Jerry - > >I obviously have interests in this area and would like to be involved in >a group of this nature if the time permits.. Please keep me informed of >the progress on forming the group and I'd hope to be able to participate >if the volume isn't too great. > >Regards > >-Barry > >-- >Barry Birkey >West Chicago, Illinois USA >Barry@Birkey.com >http://www.birkey.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:40:50 -0900 Reply-To: beeman@Alaska.NET Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tom & Carol Elliott Organization: Home Subject: Re: Scorching AFB infected equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rett Thorpe wrote: > > Could some sort of oven be made to bake AFB infected equipment? What > temp is needed to kill AFB? A very specific question was asked. I have asked this before and gotten the same lack of response. What temperature is required, and for how long, to kill AFB spores? Does anyone have this information? Apparently not, Rett. Tom -- "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) Tom Elliott Chugiak, Alaska U.S.A. beeman@alaska.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:40:46 -0500 Reply-To: dronebee@norfolk.infi.net Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" Organization: Independent non-profit research Subject: Re: FGMO standardized form Comments: To: Barry@Birkey.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Barry and all: I have "communicated" with Joe Hemmens in the UK about using a data collection form that he recommended to me. I am waiting to receive Joe's material to formalize a standard form. Also, I have been contacted by ONE beekeeper who has offered to participate in the testing program. I would appreciate if there are others interested in participating in a testing program to let me know in order that I may organize a working plan. As for my own personal plan for this year, it is already formulated. As I have announced on previous occasions on Bee-L, this year's trials will involve testing a procedure that will make MO applications cost effective to large scale operations. Initial tests on individual colonies last year proved to be very effective and reduced the not only the time of application but also the amount of mineral oil required. If there are any beekeepers interested in participating in these phase of this program you have to let me know. Likewise, those interested in their own testing please let me know what your wishes are and I'll give you full cooperation with your work. Just let me know (as some have already done) how I can help. Sincerely. Dr. Rodriguez Virginia Beach, VA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 19:24:48 -0800 Reply-To: Roy Nettlebeck Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Roy Nettlebeck Subject: Re: Research Grants Comments: To: "\\Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez" In-Reply-To: <34DCD49F.618294B5@norfolk.infi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, \Dr. Pedro P. Rodriguez wrote: > Jerry J Bromenshenk wrote: > I am compelled to answer this post since my reputation, my work and good > name may be implied. > 1. I never had, I do not have now, and never will have a quarrel with > the scientific community nor with their standards. > 8. But, does that imply that I should stop my studies, unothodox as > they might seem? > I hardly believe so. My work is just beginning to show its efficacy and my > most important phase is yet to be started this year: "fine tuning" the > procedure in order to make it cost effective for commercial beekeeping. > 9. Food for thought. If my work proves to have merit (as it seems to > have according to independent international testimonials), and if it is > performed solely for the benefit of beekeeping, why should anyone oppose it? > Best regards. > Dr. Rodriguez > Virginia Beach, VA > Dr. Rodriguez, I applaud the work that you have been doing on your own.There is merit in the use of FGMO.We don't throw out the baby with the wash water. Jerry did not say that your work was not grant available work. The fact was well taken by Jerry on how many hoops you have to jump through to get a grant.He knows the subject very well and did share it with all of us. I'm learning the process myself.We are seeking grant money for a project out here in Washington State.We have allready aquired grant funds and they are very specific. I'm applying for a patent on a compound that you can eat.You have to have proof to bring validity to any claims you have.That puts you right back to the research and the process used to proove your claim.Then you need peer approval that is not related to your research in any way. Your work is not lost. It needs a published research paper that can pass the test of the scientific community. I'm not saying anything about what I'm working on, because it is too early. Two years of good results is not enough.We need more control expierenments to validate the product. You work is important and no one is telling you to stop.We want you to keep up the work. You have put many hours into it and it needs to be continued.We never know where the silver bullet will come from.Statements with out good scientific proof will not work. Thats why I'm keeping my mouth shut.Beekeepers are willing to jump on about anything when they are loosing there bee's to Varroa.We need to know the percent of eradication and the time at which it gets to 0. Best Wishes Roy