========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:27:22 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Robert A. Roach" Subject: St Gobnet/Bees in War MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out this location for some very interesting bee tidbits, including a reference to Saint Gobnet. http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ag151/bee_tidbits.html Bob Roach ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:16:59 -1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Michael Moriarty Subject: Re: BEE-L Digest - 13 Mar 1998 to 14 Mar 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Regarding bees remembering where they were... You are not "erasing their memory," as you put it. when you move the bees, you are waiting for the bees that are imprinted on a given site to die and be replaced by bees that were never there. Therefore, you must wait longer than the lifespan of the bees in question... Aloha, mike moriarty \\\|/// \\~~ ~~// (/ @ @ /) +--oOOO----------(_)--------------+ | Michael Moriarty | | P.O. Box 1102 | | Kapaau, Hawaii 96755 | | 808-889-5809 | +--------------------------oOOO---+ |___|___| | | | | oooO Oooo ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:19:04 -1000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Michael Moriarty Subject: Re: BEE-L Digest - 13 Mar 1998 to 14 Mar 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Seek out Kai Kaholokai (kaione@ilhawaii.net... or http://www.kohala.net/kaimalino/) to learn the practical end of this.. He makes medicinal salves out of my bees wax... Aloha, mike moriarty \\\|/// \\~~ ~~// (/ @ @ /) +--oOOO----------(_)--------------+ | Michael Moriarty | | P.O. Box 1102 | | Kapaau, Hawaii 96755 | | 808-889-5809 | +--------------------------oOOO---+ |___|___| | | | | oooO Oooo ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 04:36:19 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Curtis Seyfried Subject: Re: My subscription options Comments: cc: realtor@niagara.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:59 PM 3/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >Just curious... >After I sent my previous message to the list, I got a copy of >my own message, which is strange because up until now, Why do you NOT keep the sub file sent back to you when you subscribed. Well, here it is again. KEEP IT this time. I can never figure out WHY people can NOT be responsible for their own lives and keep important things sent to them for their reference and future use. Enclosed is what you should refer to, not to the list members to bail you out. Please save this message for future reference, especially if this is the first time you subscribe to an electronic mailing list. If you ever need to leave the list, you will find the necessary instructions below. Perhaps more importantly, saving a copy of this message (and of all future subscription notices from other mailing lists) in a special mail folder will give you instant access to the list of mailing lists that you are subscribed to. This may prove very useful the next time you go on vacation and need to leave the lists temporarily so as not to fill up your mailbox while you are away! You should also save the "welcome messages" from the list owners that you will occasionally receive after subscribing to a new list. To send a message to all the people currently subscribed to the list, just send mail to BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU. This is called "sending mail to the list", because you send mail to a single address and LISTSERV makes copies for all the people who have subscribed. This address (BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU) is also called the "list address". You must never try to send any command to that address, as it would be distributed to all the people who have subscribed. All commands must be sent to the "LISTSERV address", LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU. It is very important to understand the difference between the two, but fortunately it is not complicated. The LISTSERV address is like a FAX number that connects you to a machine, whereas the list address is like a normal voice line connecting you to a person. If you make a mistake and dial the FAX number when you wanted to talk to someone on the phone, you will quickly realize that you used the wrong number and call again. No harm will have been done. If on the other hand you accidentally make your FAX call someone's voice line, the person receiving the call will be inconvenienced, especially if your FAX then re-dials every 5 minutes. The fact that most people will eventually connect the FAX machine to the voice line to allow the FAX to go through and make the calls stop does not mean that you should continue to send FAXes to the voice number. People would just get mad at you. It works pretty much the same way with mailing lists, with the difference that you are calling hundreds or thousands of people at the same time, and consequently you can expect a lot of people to get upset if you consistently send commands to the list address. You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF BEE-L" command to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU. You can also tell LISTSERV how you want it to confirm the receipt of messages you send to the list. If you do not trust the system, send a "SET BEE-L REPRO" command and LISTSERV will send you a copy of your own messages, so that you can see that the message was distributed and did not get damaged on the way. After a while you may find that this is getting annoying, especially if your mail program does not tell you that the message is from you when it informs you that new mail has arrived from BEE-L. If you send a "SET BEE-L ACK NOREPRO" command, LISTSERV will mail you a short acknowledgement instead, which will look different in your mailbox directory. With most mail programs you will know immediately that this is an acknowledgement you can read later. Finally, you can turn off acknowledgements completely with "SET BEE-L NOACK NOREPRO". Following instructions from the list owner, your subscription options have been set to "MIME" rather than the usual LISTSERV defaults. For more information about subscription options, send a "QUERY BEE-L" command to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU. Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can get a list of the available archive files by sending an "INDEX BEE-L" command to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU. You can then order these files with a "GET BEE-L LOGxxxx" command, or using LISTSERV's database search facilities. Send an "INFO DATABASE" command for more information on the latter. This list is available in digest form. If you wish to receive the digested version of the postings, just issue a SET BEE-L DIGEST command. Please note that it is presently possible for other people to determine that you are signed up to the list through the use of the "REVIEW" command, which returns the e-mail address and name of all the subscribers. If you do not want your name to be visible, just issue a "SET BEE-L CONCEAL" command. More information on LISTSERV commands can be found in the LISTSERV reference card, which you can retrieve by sending an "INFO REFCARD" command to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:49:33 +0100 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Re: Bees as weapons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Frank, I haven't heard anything about St. Gobnet as the patron saint of bees. Maybe that's a local specificum of Ireland. Here in Germany there are three saints known to be portrait with strawhives or bees. They are Ambrosius , Bernhard from Clairvaux and Johannes Chrysostomos. Here in Germany mostly it is Ambrosius who is the patron saint of beekeepers and candle-makers. If you get some infos about St. Gobnet, please let me know. Sincerely Reimund _____________________________ Beekeeper in Germany (Bavaria) Queen Rearing of Carniolan Bees Insemination Station _____________________________ Frank Bates schrieb: > I came across an intriguing reference to bees as weapons in a book the > other day. > It was a picture of a stained glass window from a church in Ireland > depicting "Saint Gobnet, the patron saint of bees, loosing her bees to > repel invaders. > Anyone have any more info on St Gobnet & this incident? > > At 10:57 5/03/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Reply-to: Discussion of Bee Biology > >From: "Frederick L. Hollen" > > > >> Anyone know if bees were ever used as a weapon of war ? > > > >The Romans used to load hives of bees on their catapults and > .... snip > > Frank Bates > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:41:32 +0100 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Re: bee wax cream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Tere, I have several instructions for making cremes with beeswax with different ingredients. I'll give you one proof method in the following lines to get a skin food creme. Important is to remark that it is without any preservatives, so you have to keep it cool for about 4-5 weeks. Ingredients: 5 g camomile 5 g marigold 5 g Saint John's wort 1 teaspoon of liquid honey (acacia) 10 g beeswax 20 ml almond oil 10 ml wheat-germ oil method: Give the chopped up herbs to 40ml (1 cup) of boiling water. Let the water with the herbs cool down for a short time and filter it then. Put the honey into that warm tea extract. Melt the beeswax in a vessel in a bain-marie. Mix the almond and wheat-germ oil and give it to the beeswax. Let it cool down while you stirr the mixture all the time to about 35 0C. Add the honey-herbs-extract while you continue stirring until the creme becomes cold. Teresa Garcma schrieb: > Hello, > > Anybody knows how to make beauty cream using beeswax? Preferably an > easy, fool proof method? > > Thank you!! > > Tere ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 06:40:12 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: CSlade777 Subject: Re: Jenter Queen Rearing Kit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Bob mentions apidea mini nucs. I ran a search under mini nucs and under apidea and drew a blank. Can anybody tell me about the use and abuse of mini nucs. Is there another heading I should search under? There must have been earlier correspondence. Chris Slade. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:17:16 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Jenter Queen Rearing Kit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 YW5kIHdoYXQgYWJvdXQgDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LnhzNGFsbC5ubC9+anRlbXAvQWx1QXBpZGVh Lmh0bWwNCg0KcGljdHVyZXMgdGVsbHMgbW9yZSB0aGFuIDEwMDAgd29yZHMgIDstKQ0KDQpn cmVldGluZywgamFuDQoNCg0KQ1NsYWRlNzc3IHdyb3RlOg0KPiANCj4gQm9iIG1lbnRpb25z IGFwaWRlYSBtaW5pIG51Y3MuICBJIHJhbiBhIHNlYXJjaCB1bmRlciBtaW5pIG51Y3MgYW5k IHVuZGVyDQo+IGFwaWRlYSBhbmQgZHJldyBhIGJsYW5rLiAgQ2FuIGFueWJvZHkgdGVsbCBt ZSBhYm91dCB0aGUgdXNlIGFuZCBhYnVzZSBvZiBtaW5pDQo+IG51Y3MuICBJcyB0aGVyZSBh bm90aGVyIGhlYWRpbmcgSSBzaG91bGQgc2VhcmNoIHVuZGVyPyAgVGhlcmUgbXVzdCBoYXZl IGJlZW4NCj4gZWFybGllciBjb3JyZXNwb25kZW5jZS4NCj4gQ2hyaXMgU2xhZGUuDQoNCi0t IA0KsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCw sLCwsLCwDQpKYW4gVGVtcGVsbWFuIC8gSW5la2UgRHJhYmJlICAgICB8ICAgICBtYWlsdG86 anRlbXBAeHM0YWxsLm5sDQpTdGVycmVtb3MgMTYgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAzMDY5IEFTIFJv dHRlcmRhbSwgVGhlIE5ldGhlcmxhbmRzDQpUZWwvRmF4IChTT01FVElNRVMpIFhYIDMxICgw KTEwLTQ1Njk0MTINCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cueHM0YWxsLm5sL35qdGVtcC9pbmRleDMuaHRtbA0K sLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCw sLCwDQoNCg== ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:57:19 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: aarcher Subject: Frustrated search effort MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD4FF0.5C772760" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD4FF0.5C772760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please excuse this message to the group and the wasted space and time, but I've not been able to do a search by "subject" using the listserve commands as I understand them. After at least ten unsuccessful attempts over the last couple of days trying to locate information on a particular Bee-l topic, I have to ask the list for help. I need the info today and just can't wait to figure this out by trial and error. Before you "bust" me for taking up the groups time.... I did save and have read and reread the messages from when I signed on, and yes I have gotten an index of Bee-l articles (but only by date- not by subject). I have had success with the GET command, but I don't know what files to get if the files are listed only by date (in the index) and not by subject... What is a simple way to get postings about "subject x"? ------=_NextPart_000_01BD4FF0.5C772760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please excuse this message to the group = and the wasted space and time, but I've not been able to do a search by = "subject" using the listserve commands as I understand them. =   After at least ten unsuccessful attempts over the last = couple of days trying to locate information on a particular Bee-l topic, = I have to ask the list for help.  I need the info today and just = can't wait to figure this out by trial and error.
Before you = "bust" me for taking up the groups time.... I did save and = have read and reread the messages from when I signed on, and yes I have = gotten an index of Bee-l articles (but only by date- not by subject). =  I have had success with the GET command, but I don't know what = files to get if the files are listed only by date (in the index) and not = by subject...
What is a simple way to get postings about = "subject x"?




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Subject: Foundation Passageways Greg, If you look close at the Rite cell you will see perfs drilled for breaking off the corners of on side of the foundation for communication holes. <<....fact the foundation I purchased ( Rite cell) has no such passageways.....>> Bill Hughes Bent Holly Honey Farm Brighton, Tennessee 38011 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:28:34 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Frustrated search effort Comments: To: aarcher MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 bW9zdCBzaW1wbGUgd2lsbCBiZSB0byBnbyB0bw0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy5iZWVrZWVwaW5nLmNv Lm56IA0KDQptYWtlIGEgYm9va21hcmsgZnJvbSBpdCEhISEhIQ0KsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCw sLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwDQpKYW4gVGVtcGVs bWFuIC8gSW5la2UgRHJhYmJlICAgICB8ICAgICBtYWlsdG86anRlbXBAeHM0YWxsLm5sDQpT dGVycmVtb3MgMTYgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAzMDY5IEFTIFJvdHRlcmRhbSwgVGhlIE5ldGhl cmxhbmRzDQpUZWwvRmF4IChTT01FVElNRVMpIFhYIDMxICgwKTEwLTQ1Njk0MTINCmh0dHA6 Ly93d3cueHM0YWxsLm5sL35qdGVtcC9pbmRleDMuaHRtbA0KsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCw sLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwDQoNCg== ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:50:48 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: Beekeeping in china Hi Well I don't know if this is of interest, but I came accross some chinese wax foundation that had a cell size of 5.3mm!!! This is very big as far as I know. I think normal for much of the world is 5.0 (The foundation was on a candle which said made in china. Unfortunately the people who owned the candle bought it in canada, otherwise I would have bought a few to raise these big bees in!!) Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa Time = Honey Standard Disclaimer applies to this post. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:04:33 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: Bees Memory Hi Paul and All In response to the few posts here I have also noticed this drifting back effect with bees. HOwever: One can erase this. It appears that when bees abscond, they erase their memory!! Yes. If you are moving a beehive, or making a split somthing that works quite well, but is a bit time consuming is to do the following (I tested this two days ago, after becoming sick and tired of chaotic splits) Take all brood out of hive with queen and the bees in front of the hive. Put an excluder over the bottome body and place a body on top with the brood back in it. Once enough bees are in here remove it and put it to one side. Take the bottom body with queen out and plce the top body without queen in it's place. Cover. Now, take the hive with the queen and walk a certain distance away to where you want the new hive to be. Put a branch there and dump the bees at it's base. Luckily at this stage I found the queen and put her in a matchbox. The bees will crawl up the stick, and surround the matchbox which has the queen. They then begin scenting that that is where she is and the cloud seems to settle, she can then be released. I then left them like this for an hour, and soon they looked like a real swarm. I then went back to the old box, took two frames of brood and one of pollen out and gave it to this 'swarm' and gave the queenless hive a few cells raised from their hive a week earlier. Today the split was foraging nicely, and the other hive looked okay too. I know this sounds like a major schlep, but it does work, and I am sure with practise it will become less so. (I will report on this one!!) I was also kind of sentimental about the hive I was dismantling as it is my favourite so that why the time was spent. HOpe that is of use!! Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa Time = Honey Standard Disclaimer applies to this post. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:08:30 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Swarms: hyperspace effect Hi All I had the experience this weekend again of running in a swarm that had just left. Basically I ran with them for about half a kilometer, accorss flat terrain on a farm. Suddenly I noticed that the swarm contracted into a tight lump, gained altitude and then sort of 'hyperspaced'. They just speeded up incredibly convincingly. How do they do this?? Why don't they do it from the beginning?? Is there any explanation for how they do this?? Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa Time = Honey Standard Disclaimer applies to this post. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:16:23 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Joel Govostes Subject: Re: Swarms: hyperspace effect In-Reply-To: <8131BA352B@warthog.ru.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amazing. I've tried to chase 'em before. Bad idea. Hopeless. Just when you think you *might* be able to keep an eye on them, even with such a spread-out volume of bees, all flying crazy, they suddenly ...disappear. Hyperspace! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:32:50 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: John Caldeira Subject: History of American Beekeeping -- Web Site Update I am pleased to announce this update to my beekeeping web site: "A Taste of American Beekeeping History" This 3 page section describes a little about beekeeping about 100 years ago as represented in old beekeeping catalogs, books and magazines. It is located at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/index.htm The other sections of the site are: Observation Beehives Cell-plug Queen Rearing (Jenter System) Fiji Beekeeping (My Peace Corps Experience) Kenya Top-bar Hives Beekeeping Tips There is also a links page limited to a few high-quality beekeeping web sites. Hope you enjoy the visit! Regards, John (on a rainy Dallas Sunday) ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:15:47 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: Re: My subscription options MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Seyfried >Why do you NOT keep the sub file sent back to you when you subscribed. >Well, here it is again. KEEP IT this time. I can never figure out WHY >people can NOT be responsible for their own lives and keep important >things sent to them for their reference and future use. Had Curtis actually READ and COMPREHENDED my post, he would have noticed that I am very familiar with the listserve commands and the reason I sent that post to the list ( as I said in the original ) was to alert others who may have had their listserve options mysteriously changed like myself, and wondered why. But I fail to see why I should have to clarify what I already wrote. I thought about asking Aaron privately, but I sent it to the list for the benefit of less experienced members who might be interested. >Enclosed is what you should refer to, not to the list members to bail you out. Perhaps Curtis should have understood what I was saying before shooting from the hip and making a fool of himself. I am one of many who DID keep, and obviously refer to the "Welcome Message" and the Ref Card" etc. ( again, as is evident in the post in question) Also, if you read this far, I am sending this to the list to set the record straight, otherwise I wouldn't waste more bandwidth than has already been wasted. As an instructor back in school used to say: "Read the $%&^*$@ question" Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com real estate agent gardener baritone beekeeper---> 6 colonies and counting ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:50:47 -0700 Reply-To: darn@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Donald Aitken Subject: Re: Frustrated search effort In-Reply-To: <199803152237.PAA13435@fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have had success with the following subject search format: SEARCH queen IN bee-l WHERE SUBJECT CONTAINS splits You must of course, send the message to the LISTSERVER at Albany. This one produced 40 articles, each of which contained the word " queen " and listed "splits" as its subject Donald Aitken 11710-129 Street Edmonton Alberta Canada T5M 0Y7 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:55:34 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Local Pollen and Allergies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone have some good references or ideas of where I can find more info regarding one of the "wives tales" that people can be desensitized to pollen (prevent allergies) by ingesting honey/pollen produced by local beekeepers? What search words do I use to check the Bee-l archives? Paul Cronshaw, D.C. Cyberchiro/High School Teacher and Hobbyist Beekeeper Santa Barbara, CA USA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:01:51 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Teresa Garcma Subject: Re: Beekeeping in china MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Garth, > chinese wax foundation that had a cell size of 5.3mm!!!Couldn=B4t it ha= d been drone foundation? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:17:23 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Matt Allan Subject: Re: Beekeeping in china Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 15/03/98 17:51:40, Garth Cambray writes: << Well I don't know if this is of interest, but I came accross some chinese wax foundation that had a cell size of 5.3mm!!! This is very big as far as I know. I think normal for much of the world is 5.0 >> We, E H Thorne (Beehives) Ltd, manufacture foundation in England with a cell width of 5.4mm or a fraction over, which gives 780 cells per square decimetre (both sides). This is fairly typical for Europe. We still however are asked for different sizes, such as 700, 800 and 900, and even 1060 for bees such as Apis mellifera jemenitica. Matthew J Allan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:17:43 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Matt Allan Subject: Re: Cell sizes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 16/03/98 04:56:34, Teresa Garcma writes: << Hi Garth, > chinese wax foundation that had a cell size of 5.3mm!!!Couldn=B4t it h= ad been=0Adrone foundation? >> Take a ruler and measure the size of cells in your hives. Our drone found= ation=0Ais 6.9mm across parallel sides; worker foundation is 5.4mm. But I= can never=0Aremember these figures, and go by the approximation that you= get 5 worker=0Acells to the inch, and 4 drone cells. Regards Matthew Allan Thornes of Windsor=0A ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 07:55:37 -0500 Reply-To: mayortb@ix.netcom.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Thom Bradley Subject: Beekeeping Short Course MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To all, Tidewater Beekeeper's Association located near Norfolk, VA, will host a 2 day short course on the evening of the 17th of April and all Day Sat. 18 April. This course is aimed at Beekeepers with little to no experience and is open to the public. There is a small fee of $15 that will include printed materials and a paid membership to the TBA and VA state organization. You do not have to be a resident of VA. Saturday's lessons will include entering working beehives. Equipment will be provided. For further information or registrtion please contact me by E-mail at mayortb@ix.netcom.com. Thom Bradley Newsletter Editor Tidewater Beekeeping Association mayortb@ix.netcom.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:49:01 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: latshaw Subject: Quality Standard for Honeybee Selection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any standards in the bee industry for breeding programs? Who is to say what is productive, disease resistant, gentle and in general a pleasant bee to keep? What beekeepers will tolerate in their stock, is what they will have to work with in their program. What should beekeepers have to tolerate? Do beekeepers realize the full potential of their bees? After talking with many private individuals and some bee clubs, I find that many beekeepers are simply unaware of what can be accomplished in beekeeping,IF stock is mantained and selection pressure is common practice in the breeding program. I enjoy working with bees very much, but I do not have to tolerate diseased colonies that have a tendency to sting me when I enter the yard to perform daily tasks. I prefer to enter a yard of bees where I can work my colonies with minimal smoke, a pair of shorts, maybe a shirt if it is a cool day, and a veil sitting on the tailgate of my truck. I also like knowing that I don't have to use medications to keep my bees free of minor diseases. If a disease appears, I simply eliminate that queen. Often times I can find the appearance of the same disease somewhere in the queen's family history, so I select against such undesirable traits. Beekeeping is meant to be an enjoyable hobby or business. Bees can be productive and pleasant to work at the same time, but beekeepers need to be aware of what they should expect from their colonies. Sincerely, Joe Latshaw ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:01:29 +0100 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Re: Quality Standard for Honeybee Selection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, surely the aim of breeding should be the gentle, healthy bee that brings a lot of honey. Sometimes you get those bee breeds. But it is a hard never ending work to preserve these qualities. According your questions about standards in bee breeding let me tell you something about breeding of Carnica bees in Germany. We have these standards and we have made some good results. But still there are a lot of difficulties on the way: For example queen breeders have to be trained on classifying and categorizing bees on these standards. The beekeepers work in different ways at hives and maybe cause stinging by their individual methods of beekeeping. According to this and other problems we have official test stands for queens. Here in Bavaria there are three at different places in the country and with different yields. The queen breeder has to send queen to each of those test stands where only one person checks the hives of those queens of different breeders. After one year (in former times two years) the queen breeder gets the results. The results are amounts of produced honey, susceptibility to deseases, characters of the bees and so on. You get a ranking list. All queens of that year are tested at competition conditions and the hives are managed in the same way at the same places and by the same persons. Perhaps this method is the right way to get better queens and bees. Reimund _____________________________ Beekeeper in Germany (Bavaria) Queen Rearing of Carniolan Bees Insemination Station _____________________________ latshaw schrieb: > Are there any standards in the bee industry for breeding > programs? Who is to say what is productive, disease resistant, gentle > and in general a pleasant bee to keep? What beekeepers will tolerate in > their stock, is what they will have to work with in their program. What > should beekeepers have to tolerate? Do beekeepers realize the full > potential of their bees? > After talking with many private individuals and some bee clubs, > I find that many beekeepers are simply unaware of what can be > accomplished in beekeeping,IF stock is mantained and selection pressure > is common practice in the breeding program. > I enjoy working with bees very much, but I do not have to > tolerate diseased colonies that have a tendency to sting me when I enter > the yard to perform daily tasks. I prefer to enter a yard of bees where > I can work my colonies with minimal smoke, a pair of shorts, maybe a > shirt if it is a cool day, and a veil sitting on the tailgate of my > truck. I also like knowing that I don't have to use medications to keep > my bees free of minor diseases. If a disease appears, I simply > eliminate that queen. Often times I can find the appearance of the same > disease somewhere in the queen's family history, so I select against > such undesirable traits. > Beekeeping is meant to be an enjoyable hobby or business. Bees > can be productive and pleasant to work at the same time, but beekeepers > need to be aware of what they should expect from their colonies. > > Sincerely, > Joe Latshaw ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:47:44 -0800 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: bee wax cream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Teresa, The easiest beecream is hand cream. To make it heat 1 pint mineral oil with 5 oz beeswax to melt the wax. Combine with 1 and one third cups water with 2 tbl spoons borax dissolved in the water. (The water should be heated to about 160 F) Mix and pour into jars (usually 2-5 oz). This gives a nice handcream, but you can vary the receipe by subsituting lanolin for some of the oil, decreasing the wax or add more water or oil for a different texture. Add scents for fragrence. On and on. It is fun to experiment... even use olive instead of mineral oil. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Teresa Garcma wrote: > Hello, > > Anybody knows how to make beauty cream using beeswax? Preferably an > easy, fool proof method? > > Thank you!! > > Tere ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:53:06 -0800 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Feeding Dry Sugar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian, You never get to the carmelization stage. It is a little beyond being a slurry but short of the hard candy stage. If you fed it in the fall I would be only a little concerned, but in the spring, not at all. Boiled sugar water is not as good for the bees as unboiled, but it is actually better than feeding the bees honey! Yes, I have the references to prove it. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Ian Watson wrote: > >I go to the next step which is to feed "candy" which is 5 lbs granulated > >sugar boiled with one pint of water to a little over 240F. I pour it > >into greased cookie pans, break it into chunks and put it on the inner cover. > > Doesn't boiling sugar syrup result in Carmelization, and isn't that linked to Dysentery? > I can't find the source, but I'm sure I read that in one of my beekeeping books... > > Comments? > > Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com > real estate agent gardener baritone > beekeeper---->6 colonies and counting ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:57:34 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: Re: Feeding Dry Sugar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bill I understand now...:) Thanks, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Bill Truesdell >Ian, >You never get to the carmelization stage. It is a little beyond being a slurry but short of >the hard candy stage. If you fed it in the fall I would be only a little concerned, but in >the spring, not at all. Boiled sugar water is not as good for the bees as unboiled, but it >is actually better than feeding the bees honey! >Yes, I have the references to prove it. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:01:00 -0600 Reply-To: schulze@feist.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: schulze Subject: feeding bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you saying that we shouldn't feed old honey?? I know a commercial bee keeper that buys maple syrup by the drums for this. I have a couple of jars of old dark honey saved back to feed. Would I be better of to discard this and feed sugar slurrey?? Thanks, Sam Schulze Valley Center, Kansas ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:05:25 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Joel Govostes Subject: What to do w/ black honey from the wax melter? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We've accumulated several full pails of dark, cooked honey from the brand melter. This is from the end-runs of cappings processing. 'Could use some suggestions for its use or disposal. I have heard of it being used to make large batches of barbecue-sauce, or of it being fed to pigs, but I don't have any such outlets, that I know of. Could someone suggest other uses for this burnt honey, as animal feed, or whatever? I'd really like to find a use for it, rather than throw it out. Any suggestions along these lines would be appreciated. The honey is still sweet, but very unappetizing-looking, and certainly no good for sale as table honey. tak, JG ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:03:37 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Beekeeperc Subject: Re: bee wax cream Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Tere, Here is one of the many formulas that I have. ULTRA-RICH SKIN CREAM 2 1/2 oz (weight) beeswax 2/3 cup baby oil 1 tsp borax (sodium borate, C.P.) 4 oz (weight) anhydrous lanolin 3/4 cup water Fragrant essential oil (optional) Chemically pure borox, which is required for cosmetics, is sold by drug stores. In a microwave or double boiler melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the borax is dissolved and the wax is melted. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while stirring briskly. When white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour it into small wide-mouth jars. Tere, I have many others for you. Tomorrow I'll be mailing you the Kerkhoff Hive information along with the family photos that I promised. I'll send you the other formulas that I have. Norm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:24:13 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Re: Bee Memory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Paul Cronshaw wrote: >I noted an interesting thing this weekend...... > >I split a hive three weeks ago, old queen went into the new split and a >queen cell was left below. I used a double screen division board and faced >the new entrance to the side. I left the split on for about a week... >noting some good activity. > >I then moved the split to another apiary over 2 miles away and left it >there for two weeks. Today I moved it back to another spot in the original >apiary. > >Right away I noted lots of bees buzzing around the side of the original >site. What a memory these bees have. > >I thought that 2 weeks would erase their little computer minds. :) Not so!! > >Anyone else have a comment on bee memory to locations? Norm Gary covered some of that subject in his chapter of THE HIVE AND THE HONEY BEE (Dadant & Sons, 1992, Chapter 8). Two other very pertinent publications on this matter apply, as follows: 1) Patrick H. Wells. 1973. Honey bees. Chapter 9 in INVERTEBRATE LEARNING.. Plenum Press, N.Y. 2) Peggy S.M. Hill, Patrick H. Wells, and Harrington Wells. 1997. Spontaneous flower constancy and learning in honey bees as a function of colour. ANIMAL BEHAVIOUR. (54:615-627). Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 893-2838 (UCSB office) Ecol., Evol., & Marine Biology (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara (805) 963-8508 (home office & FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 *********************************************************************** * "...scientists are paradoxically resistant to change, even when * * confronted with evidence that virtually demands change of them." * * * * Barber, 1960 (in Greenberg, 1983) * *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:04:59 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: HONEY REPORTS Feb. from USDA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Bee Friends, You are welcome to read the latest NATIONAL HONEY MARKET NEWS, March 6, received March 16 and posted to: http://209.76.50.54 Give them time to load. If you are interested in this type of bee keeping information check back every few days as I will be posting more as I find it. I also will be making adjustments to the looks of the pages as I learn new skills. As you can see I have a long way to go and invite all comments, NOT here, but in the comment box at the site.. ttul, the OLd Drone ... I said, but just to be a bee ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:55:02 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: feeding bees Comments: To: schulze@feist.com In-Reply-To: <350DA11B.7DD9@feist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:01 PM 3/16/98 -0600, you wrote: >Are you saying that we shouldn't feed old honey?? I know a commercial >bee keeper that buys maple syrup by the drums for this. I have a couple >of jars of old dark honey saved back to feed. Would I be better of to >discard this and feed sugar slurrey?? This is hard for me to believe not only is "Maple Syrup" much more valuable then honey the solids in it are all not that good for the bees digestive system and sure could cause problems. One jar of really dark honey that has darkened from caramelizing could kill a lot of bees before they got rid of it. As for feeding anything other then pure sugar it just is not a good practice. One year when the price of sugar went sky high I purchased several car loads of honey to feed bees. I was very surprised when they did no better on the honey then on sugar syrup. In fact I was downright disappointed because I had always thought there much be some magic in honey that would make it better bee feed then the honey substitutes, what a bummer.... ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, Ca http://209.76.50.54 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:29:06 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Robert E Butcher Subject: Re: feeding bees Hi all, Here in Tucson, there is a commercial keeper that takes all the honey off and feeds corn syrup back to the bees. he sells honey for $12 a gal. and corn syrup is $3.50 a gal. God Bless You Robert E. Butcher bobbees@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:57:30 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Teresa Garcma Subject: Re: What to do w/ black honey from the wax melter? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joel, That honey can be used in animal feeding (bees and other animals). If=20 it=B4s for cattle, you could use it in the same way as molasses are used,= =20 that is, not have a mix of more than 3-5% (I think I remember)of honey=20 in hay or silage. Anyway, I suggest you contact a local veterinarian for=20 advise, because a wrong dose might cause diarrhoea to the animals fed. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:14:00 +0100 Reply-To: Michael Haberl Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Michael Haberl Subject: Re: Quality Standard for Honeybee Selection There is a detailed description of the Bavarian bee breed testing and last years' results at: http://www.stmelf.bayern.de/ This site uses frames, and I did not manage to obtain a link directly to the bee pages. So, I just can describe how to work through: Click 'Landwirtschaft' in the frame on the lower left. In the main window appearing on the right, scroll down (passing the cows, pigs, etc.) until: Bayerischen Landesanstalt f r Bienenzucht Bedeutung der Biene f r Mensch und Natur Allgemeines zur Leistungspr fung bei Bienen Leistungspr fung f r Bienen an den bayerischen Pr fh fen 1995/1996 1996/1997 Publikationen (in German only, but the figures should be understandable with a minimum knowledge in German) ____________________________________________________________________ Michael Haberl Zoologisches Institut der Uni Muenchen Tel: ++49 89 5902-444 Luisenstr. 14 Fax: ++49 89 5902-450 80333 Muenchen e-mail: haberl@zi.biologie.uni-muenchen.de Germany http://www.ebe-online.de/home/mhaberl/index.htm ____________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:46:19 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: tomas mozer Subject: Re: Allergic reactions to Honey and Royal Jelly Comments: To: apither@beenet.pp.se On Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:25:33 -0500 kucerap writes > > >Recently, a friend of mine reported a severe allergic reaction to >honey >and royal jelly >that caused great irritation of the gastrointestinal tract. The >symptoms >somewhat resembled the gallbladder attack. > >I believe this could have been caused by the allergy to pollen that is >almost always >present at certain levels in these products. Is there any new >information about allergic properties of pollen and honey products? > > Dr. P.Kucera > New York, USA > >-- >>> The APITHER mailing list is hosted by BeeNet-Sverige, >> >>> a dial-up network for beekeepers >> > check out the apis newsletter web page at http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm go to "topical index", see "bee products"(pollen, royal jelly references) and "honey processing"(especially adulteration); serious allergic reactions to royal jelly have been reported in the past... reactions to pollen in honey are less likely, i believe, but harvested pollen would have a higher risk when ingested or eaten in the comb (as in bee bread)...the possibilty of environmental contamination due to pesticides or industrial pollutants also can not be discounted (see "bee alert" environmental monitoring link from apis other "web links" page at the same site). _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:25:56 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Frank Humphrey Subject: Re: feeding bees In-Reply-To: <199803170255.SAA05829@mail.thegrid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Snip > As for feeding anything other then >pure sugar it just is not a good practice. One year when the price of sugar >went sky high I purchased several car loads of honey to feed bees. I was >very surprised when they did no better on the honey then on sugar syrup. In >fact I was downright disappointed because I had always thought there much >be some magic in honey that would make it better bee feed then the honey >substitutes, what a bummer.... > >ttul, the OLd Drone >Los Banos, Ca > > >http://209.76.50.54 > I read an article somewhere last year that advanced the theory that bees should be wintered on honey that they made from sugar syrup or corn syrup. The author's reasoning was that honey contains a lot of indigestible solids and sugar corn syrup do not. This requires fewer cleansing flights in winter since the syrups are essentially pure energy to the bees. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:32:12 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "FLORENCE COOPER, RN" Subject: Swarming question My son and I have one hive that we started from a nuc last April. We live in the deep south (Mississippi) of the USA. It had been very warm in Feb. and the beginning of Mar. and the hive was very strong. I have a queen coming Apr. 4th so I could make a split. However, the bees decided not to wait and the hive issued a HUGE swarm Mar. 6th. It was spectacular. My son spotted them high in a neighbors pine tree and while I went inside to get an empty hive body to try to tempt them down (There was no way I could get to that swarm without a fire truck ladder) they flew away to parts unknown. The following week we had a big cold snap--20-30 degrees F. at night and sometimes no higher than 40 degrees in the daytime. We had a really nice, warm weekend and this past Sunday, I noticed a lot of bees flying aroung the hive. Then things calmed down. Lo and behold, yesterday, my son spotted a nice little swarm in the privet hedge and we went and hived it. The swarm was not really docile nor was it overly aggressive. Some bees did try to sting me. Could this swarm be the original one that swarmed and survived out in the open, during extremely cold temps for 5 days? Or did my hive swarm again so soon (I know that it would be rare for a hive the swarm so close together)? I have never seen bees issue from a hive in a swarm and the swarm that I found was the first I have ever hived. As far as I know, there are no other beekeepers in my area (I am an urban, backyard beekeeper). I have learned a lot from this experience and now know what an early spring build-up looks like and will take steps to remove brood from the hive. My goal next year is to try to have no swarms at all (this is my ideal, it will probably not be reality!!) If anyone on the list has any advice or words or wisdom to share, please let me hear from you. Sincerely, Florence and Mark Cooper Jackson, Mississippi, USA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:15:53 +0900 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Chang-geun, Kim" Subject: Waste candy feeding Comments: To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7CCD5784C8D9D5BEDA631894" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7CCD5784C8D9D5BEDA631894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Once upon a time, I've read some postings about waste candy feeding for bees. In South Korea, sugar price is now very high due to very difficult economic situation. So I'm very interested in waste candy from candy factory because I think waste cany will be cheap. I would appreciate it if you give me any comments on the followings. 1) Sugar type used in candy factory 2) Is there any effective method to remove the coloring dye of waste candy ? --------------7CCD5784C8D9D5BEDA631894 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Chang-geun Kim Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Chang-geun Kim n: Kim;Chang-geun org: Kee Reem International Co., Ltd. adr: RM102, Won B/D, #271-1, Nonhyun-Dong, Kangnam-Gu;;;Seoul;;;South Korea email;internet: neuggim@users.unitel.co.kr title: Marketing Manager tel;work: +82-2-3445-0724 tel;fax: +82-2-3445-0721 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------7CCD5784C8D9D5BEDA631894-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:46:43 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Pollen and wax Hi All Does feeding pollen stimulate wax production?? (Yes I know that wax is made from sugars etc, but enzymes are proteinaceuos) Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa Time = Honey Standard Disclaimer applies to this post. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:08:29 -0400 Reply-To: rossybee@entelchile.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Rossy Castillo Subject: yellow jackets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: Does anybody know a GOOD method of keeping yellow jackets out of my nucs? I have to "harvest" 300 queens , there is no nectar flow, there is some robbing because our season is almost over. I avoid robbing for three or more hours placing a common feeder (a drum with syrup). The bees go to feed and do not disturb me when I open the nucs to pick up the queens but I need to be sure to keep the yellow jackets a couple of hours away. I know some beekeepers make baits. Any idea ? Thanks Rossy Castillo rossybee@entelchile.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:16:17 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: Waste candy feeding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Once upon a time, I've read some postings about waste candy feeding for >bees.In South Korea, sugar price is now very high due to very difficult >economic situation. So I'm very interested in waste candy from candy >factory because I think waste cany will be cheap. >...1) Sugar type used in candy factory 2) Is there any effective method to remove the coloring dye of waste >candy ? I bought the contents of the vats at a bankrupt candy factory about ten years back. There were a variety of sugar types. I suppose it worked out okay, but knowing what I know now, I would not do it again unless I had an inventory sheet describing the exact components of each batch. All kinds of sugars and additives are used in candy making. Invert sugars used for candy may be acid inverted and this is hard on bees under many conditions. Starches may be involved too. No one claims candy is good for people. Is it good for bees? That depends... After all bees are very different from us and require diets that are very different too. Some things we can eat are bad for them and vice versa. Again, my advice is to be sure you get an ingredients list and run it by a bee scientist or crack open your 'Hive and the Honeybee'. As for the dyes, if you suspect they will wind up in your honey, then reconsider feeding. Otherwise they should be harmless. After all, honey is defined legally as being made from the nectar from flowers, not the product of cane sugar or invert sugars from man-made products. A conscientious beekeeper must ensure that as little as possible (none) of the bee feed used gets into supers that are bound for extraction. Hope this helps. Feel free to ask more if you have specific questions I have not covered. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:23:36 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Musashi Subject: Re: Swarming question > Could this swarm be the original one that >swarmed and survived out in the open, during extremely cold temps for 5 days? >Or did my hive swarm again so soon (I know that it would be rare for a hive the >swarm so close together)? The first large swarm would have been the "prime swarm" and the small swarm would have been a secondary swarm or "caste". The year before last I had a single large hive and it swarmed. Since I had no experience and no equipment to put it in a new hive, I lost it. Subsequently at intervals several days apart, I had four more smaller swarms issue from it. I don't know what the greatest number is, but I know there can be a number of swarms issue from one hive in the same season. Layne Westover ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:48:06 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Pollinator Subject: Re: Swarming question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-17 09:36:26 EST, coopefn@okra.millsaps.edu (FLORENCE COOPER, RN) writes: << However, the bees decided not to wait and the hive issued a HUGE swarm Mar. 6th. It was spectacular. My son spotted them high in a neighbors pine tree and while I went inside to get an empty hive body to try to tempt them down (There was no way I could get to that swarm without a fire truck ladder) they flew away to parts unknown. The following week we had a big cold snap--20-30 degrees F. at night and sometimes no higher than 40 degrees in the daytime.>> This swarm is called a "prime" swarm. It found a home and moved on. You may find it later in a hollow tree, an uninsulated wall, a church steeple, or some other suitable place. Swarms are highly vulnerable after the swarm issues, as they have no reserves other than the honey in their stomachs. The sudden cold and inability to forage may have killed them. Then again, sometimes they surprise us...... << We had a really nice, warm weekend and this past Sunday, I noticed a lot of bees flying aroung the hive. Then things calmed down. Lo and behold, yesterday, my son spotted a nice little swarm in the privet hedge and we went and hived it. The swarm was not really docile nor was it overly aggressive. Some bees did try to sting me. Could this swarm be the original one that swarmed and survived out in the open, during extremely cold temps for 5 days? Or did my hive swarm again so soon ....>> Yes, this is called an afterswarm, and has only a virgin queen. It is important for that queen to get mated soon, and the cold weather may have interfered. It would be a very good idea to give them a frame of brood with eggs, to make sure they have the wherewithal to make a queen if the first one fails to get mated. Of course this is also a good idea for your original hive, which would up with a virgin queen as well. Have you been feeding them? Or was this an entirely natural swarm? Remember, if you feed them thick syrup, you are giving them reserves. When you feed them thin syrup, you are stimulating the queen to lay, which promotes early buildup. We are feeding heavily now, to make sure we don't lose any hives in the gap between the maple flow and the real spring flow. We are also thinning the syrup to stimulate them. We expect a lot of early swarming, if we don't keep ahead of the bees. Of course we are planning to make nucs and packages, so we need that "bee-power." <> Welcome to the marvelous, ever-learning, world of beekeeping. Just when we think we've learned how to do it, we find that the bees didn't read the same book. Most of the really early swarms result from feeding. If you feed, keep this in mind, so you don't get surprised next year. (Then again, conditions may be entirely different next year......) Good luck. Sounds like you have a good plan...... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:04:11 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Pollinator Subject: Re: Waste candy feeding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-17 11:18:03 EST, you write: << Once upon a time, I've read some postings about waste candy feeding for bees. In South Korea, sugar price is now very high due to very difficult economic situation. So I'm very interested in waste candy from candy factory because I think waste cany will be cheap.>> A number of US beekeepers have used the peppermint candy that was sold as surplus, when the government phased out a lot of old fallout shelters. The hard candy worked very well as a supplemental feed. A lot was used in cattle feed also. I would appreciate it if you give me any comments on the followings. 1) Sugar type used in candy factory>> Don't use any chocolate. The bees can't metabolize the fat. We have a local factory, and I could get their waste very cheap. But they won't separate the chocolate. <<2) Is there any effective method to remove the coloring dye of waste candy ?>> Why? The dye won't hurt them. You aren't planning to make "honey" at the same time, are you? That would be an adulteration, which would be illegal here. I don't know about your laws, but would not consider it ethical. I see nothing wrong with feeding bees through the lean times when there is no nectar. But it certainly grates on me to see feeder pails on hives in the orange groves during the orange flow. This may be the reason for some of the superlight orange "honey" you see on the market, with almost no pollen apparent, when you look through it. An acquaintance fed a lot of Nestle's "Quick" to his bees, then used the dye as a marker, to study various things about the bees' anatomy and physiology. He fed in open feeders, and had a neighbor ask what was the awful-tasting red syrup the bees were processing. He did not 'fess up. Never said a word..... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:18:46 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Pollinator Subject: (More on) Waste candy feeding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Here's a warning that I should have included in my comments on feeding bees: I would caution that clean white sugar, or good quality high fructose corn syrup is the only feed I would use in the fall. Other materials have too much indigestible matter, and bees cannot always fly in winter, to void. In the spring, we have used a lot of raw sugar and brown sugar with no problems. Confectioners sugar has a lot of corn starch, and bees sometimes will not take it. I mix a little with other forms of sugar, so no hives wind up with exclusively confectioners sugar. I have to use sucrose syrup cautiously, as it can stimulate robbing, just as honey would. Right now we are using almost exclusively HFCS, as it is the cheapest feed available to us. It is probably the safest, as well. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:35:38 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Marc Sevigny Subject: beekeeping in Italy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be in Italy (Umbria) in a few weeks and wanted to know if anyone knows how to get in touch with a local beekeeper. I'd be interested in watching their management practices and see their equipment. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:35:31 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "FLORENCE COOPER, RN" Subject: Re: Swarming question ** Yes, this is called an afterswarm, and has only a virgin queen. It is important for that queen to get mated soon, and the cold weather may have interfered. It would be a very good idea to give them a frame of brood with eggs, to make sure they have the wherewithal to make a queen if the first one fails to get mated. Of course this is also a good idea for your original hive, which would up with a virgin queen as well.** Will my original hive produce anymore "after swarms"? I didn't realize that they could swarm so soon after a big primary swarm. I did take a frame of honey out of my 1st hive and put in in the nuc box. I am rather hesitant to go into the brood chamber as I don't want to do anything that would hurt the new gueen there. How soon will the virgin queens take flight and get mated? I do plan to check both hives in a couple of weeks and check for a good brood pattern. ** Have you been feeding them? Or was this an entirely natural swarm?** No, I had not been feeding the hive. As we had a mild winter, the queen started laying brood in Dec. or Jan. I use a double brood chamber and left a shallow super full of honey on also. I wanted to make sure they had plenty to get through the winter. Perhaps I have pampered them too much. There were a hugh amount of bees in the hive when I medicated with apistan on Feb. 10. I was too inexperienced at that point to know that I needed to take action and remove some brood then. I have a new queen coming in April, so my next bit of excitement will be requeening. I sure hope that I can find Her Majesty in the hive that I decide to requeen. Thanks, Florence Cooper Jackson, MS USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:00:40 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT search bee-l candy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:37:27 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Greg & Melinda Holley Subject: BK-ECONOMICS TECH HELP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01BD51E4.7FC12680" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BD51E4.7FC12680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently received BK-Economics for Win95 and am having trouble getting = it to work. 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Keto Jr., RN McCall, ID 83638-0202 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:03:18 +0100 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Re: beekeeping in Italy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you have problems in getting contact to a beekeeper in Umbria perhaps contact the local beekeeping organization of S|dtirol in Northern Italy S|dtiroler Imkerbund Prdsident Hubert Au_erer Jubildumshof 1 I-39010 Vilpian 1 S|dtirol Marc Sevigny schrieb: > I'll be in Italy (Umbria) in a few weeks and wanted to know if > anyone knows how to get in touch with a local beekeeper. I'd > be interested in watching their management practices and > see their equipment. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:19:11 +0100 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Re: yellow jackets Comments: To: rossybee@entelchile.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Rossy, the best method is catching the overwintering queens of the yellow jackets early at the beginning of the year. So you avoid a lot of yellow jacket hives nearby to your beeyard. If you want to fight at the end of the season it is more difficult. Here in Germany some kinds of baits are on the market. You can also make one by yourself. Take a champagne bottle with a dent in bottom. Fill in an attractive smelling liquid with candy but add some vinegard to repell bees, which don't like that smell. Good luck! Reimund S. ______________________________ Beekeeper in Germany (Bavaria) Queen Rearing of Carniolan Bees Insemination Station ______________________________ Rossy Castillo schrieb: > Hi: > > Does anybody know a GOOD method of keeping yellow jackets > out of my nucs? > I have to "harvest" 300 queens , there is no nectar flow, there is some > robbing because our season is almost over. I avoid robbing for three or > more hours placing a common feeder (a drum with syrup). The bees go to > feed and do not disturb me when I open the nucs to pick up the queens but I > need to be sure to keep the yellow jackets a couple of hours away. I know > some beekeepers make baits. Any idea ? > > Thanks > > Rossy Castillo > > rossybee@entelchile.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:20:11 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Ted F. Wout" Subject: beekeeper on the move I just found out that I may be moving to the Denver, CO area. I've tapered my apiary down to four hives through attrition and selling off a few hives. I'm considering moving my hives. I have had varroa. I'm wondering if anyone on the list knows whether the Denver area already has varroa. If it does, I don't think that I'll have any trouble moving. If there isn't any varroa I'll leave my bees in Texas and start anew. Any beekeepers on the list from Denver? If so, how's the beekeeping up there. Are there any bee producers in the Denver area? Anyone got tips for a hobbyist moving his hives. I know that migratory beekeepers do this all the time. They have the equipment and experience necessary. Keep in mind I'll do this once and then stay put. The less I buy to move them, the better. Ted Wout twout@juno.com Red Oak, TX, USA (about 20 miles south of Dallas) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:03:38 GMT+0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Garth Organization: Rhodes University South Africa Subject: Re: secondary swarms Hi All A few posts have come by about secondary swarms. (Note the easiest way to tell if you have one of these is that it has no drones in it - with primary swarms, the more drones you see the worse the queen is) It has been suggested somewhere inside a book called 'Africanized Bees and Bee Mites' from about 1990 that one of the main ways the faricanized bee front moves is through these so called secondary swarms. The bees in a small cluster and one young queen invade established hives and requeen them with the new queen. I don't know if this is hype, but I have definitely seen swarms issue from one hive in a beeyard, hang on a tree for while and then join another hive. You will note if you see this that they tend to land near the top of a beehive and crawl in under the lid - my lids are all gappy. I suspect this happens sometimes when one has one of those mysterious conversions, the week runt of the apiary suddenly becomes a roading bees hanging out the front beekeeper eating monster. Another thing that I have noticed is that secondary swarms are far more problematic to hive than primaries. (I take it that is because the old queen prob does not fly so well) Anyhow Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa Time = Honey Standard Disclaimer applies to this post. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:23:58 -0500 Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Michael Palmer Organization: French Hill Apiaries Subject: feeding waste sugar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had an interesting experience with waste sugar. Yard was located on a dairy farm. The farmer was into feeding his cattle all sorts of waste sugars. Almond Joy and Milky Way chocolate bars by the truck load!. Guess they loved it. A pharmaceutical company gave him barrels of a recovered sugar solution used in coating their pills. The syrup was mostly sucrose, with microcrystaline cellulose, titanium dioxide, dyes, etc. Pure, it was white in color. The farmer was sloppy with it. Left barrels open, spilled it on the ground etc. The bees loved it!! Saw a little in the hives when I supered. Thought it odd. When I supered the second time, the first supers were full and capped. When I took off the "crop," all the supers were full of "it." This in a bad year. There was so much of it, that I thought it was honey. Extracting mixed it with good honey. Bad move! All said and done, I had almost 150- 60's of "white" honey. And I mean white like snow! Had it tested by an agricultural lab. Full of titanium. No one wanted to take blame. Finally got the company to admit negligence. Lucky me. They paid in full. Also lucky, the crystalline cellulose made it crystalize reall fast, so ai could identify it easily. So anyway, watch out when feeding waste products. Also if you have any honey that doesn't look quite right investigate. Don't just process. Mike ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:20:08 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Hubert GUERRIAT Subject: new Web Site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I am pleased to announce my new beekeeping web site (in french): Conservation de l'abeille indig=E8ne en belgique (Conservation of native honeybee in Belgium) This site describes a little about biodiversity conservation and bee = improvement in Apis mellifera mellifera. It is located at: http://users.skynet.be/apiculture The other sections of the site are: ecologuy (in construction) book queen molecular biology and dark european honeybee (in construction) Hubert GUERRIAT Rue du tilleul 19 B 5630 Daussois tel & fax 32 (0)71 613096 hubert.guerriat@skynet.be ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:23:45 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: tomas mozer Subject: Re: History of American Beekeeping -- Web Site Update Comments: To: jcaldeira@earthlink.net greetings! i've been trying for quite some time now to access your most interesting-sounding web site with no luck unfortunately...seems my local server just doesn't access any earthlink sites for some reason. do you know of any other way i could get your info? i am particularly interested in anything having to do with early spanish introductions of honeybees in the southwest (perhaps via the catholic missions?). thanks! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:17:23 +1000 Reply-To: magas@ozemail.com.au Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Chris Mateer Organization: THE ZENON CORPORATION Subject: Apidea Mini Nucs Comments: To: CSLade777@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Re your post in bee-l There are two types of mini polystyrene nucs in production Apidea and Warnholz Both are similarly constructed of polystyrene and contain 3& 4 mini frames and a built in feeder. The technique is 1. Assemble the mini nuc with a strip of foundation only, no comb, in each frame. Fill the feeder compartment with candy. 2. Shake young bees into a box and spray them with sugar syrup. 3. Drop one large cupful of sticky wet bees into the mini nuc, close it up making sure that the ventilation is clear. 4. leave for about an hour until the bees roar in panic, then run a virgin queen in 5. Leave in a cool dark place for 2-3 Days 6. Release the bees at the chosen site. 7. Check in two weeks for signs of laying Regards Chris Mateer ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:10:59 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Whitney S. Cranshaw" Subject: Re: beekeeper on the move Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Varroa is found throughout the state. You will also find tracheal mites may be more of a concern than they were in Texas due to the longer winters. Whitney Cranshaw Ft. Collins, CO >I just found out that I may be moving to the Denver, CO area. I've >tapered my apiary down to four hives through attrition and selling off a >few hives. I'm considering moving my hives. I have had varroa. I'm >wondering if anyone on the list knows whether the Denver area already has >varroa. If it does, I don't think that I'll have any trouble moving. If >there isn't any varroa I'll leave my bees in Texas and start anew. > >Any beekeepers on the list from Denver? If so, how's the beekeeping up >there. Are there any bee producers in the Denver area? > >Anyone got tips for a hobbyist moving his hives. I know that migratory >beekeepers do this all the time. They have the equipment and experience >necessary. Keep in mind I'll do this once and then stay put. The less I >buy to move them, the better. > > >Ted Wout >twout@juno.com >Red Oak, TX, USA (about 20 miles south of Dallas) > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:02:46 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Robert E Butcher Subject: Re: beekeeper on the move Hi Ted, I would get them down into the least amount of boxes . Then screw the bottom board to the box. and the top board to the box,then use two straps to bind it together. The night before the great move take and tack some screen on the doorway to keep them in. Make sure they have enough to eat. If the road is going to be rough going you might want to take some burr comb and lay it on the ends of the frames (thickly) to help hold the frames in place so not to kill the queen.Good Luck and God Bless You on your trip God Bless You Robert E. Butcher bobbees@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:00:42 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Seppo Korpela Subject: Another BEE-L discussion list MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In searching other mailing lists from http://tile.net/lists/ I also made a search with keyword "bee" and was surprised: two BEE-L discussion lists exist. The other is located on a Turkish server. I joined this list and made a "review" which gave a list of subscribers to that list. There were only 7 subscribers. Remains to be seen why the new list has been established. I didn't find a description for the list other than "Bee Raising discussion list". -------------------------------------- Seppo Korpela Agricultural Research Center of Finland Plant Production Research Plant Protection FIN-31600 Jokioinen, Finland Phone INT + 358 3 4188 576 FAX INT + 358 3 4188 584 E-mail seppo.korpela@mtt.fi -------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:30:07 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Beenetuk1 Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers Subject: The Kentish Bee News letter mailing list The Kentish Bee News letter for The Kent Bee Keepers Association is published on our mailing list server every month. How To subscribe to Kentbee-L Send E-mail TO: listserv@amigabee.org.uk Leave subject: Message Body: subscribe kentbee-L Regards Steve beeman@dircon.co.uk --- # Origin: Bromley Beekeeping in the 21st Century (240:244/118) ----- End of Message ----- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:06:19 -0800 Reply-To: tjillett@mbnet.mb.ca Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: tjillett Subject: Mini-nucs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I've come across some small styrofoam boxes that I thought might make good mini-nucs if fitted with three mini frames, a feed container, and entrance, etc. The thought that comes to mind though, is will the bees chew right through the styrofoam. It's a very dense styrofoam used in packing glass containers and the bees would only be in them long enough to get a virgin queen mated and laying. Another thing that comes to mind are fumes from the styrofoam (which I cannot detect). Any comments or experiences on the use of styrofoam would be appreciated. Tom ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:53:05 -0500 Reply-To: jfontana@bio.ufpr.br Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Adam Finkelstein Organization: http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Subject: Help: looking for Propolis Flavonoids MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jose D. Fontana" Looking if it is possible to get your help obtaining mg amounts of the following propolis flavonoids: pinocembrin and gallangin. The indication of comercial providers would be also very appreciated. Kindest regards Prof. J D Fontana (jfontana@bio.ufpr.br) PO Box 19046 UFPR - Federal University of Parana LQBB - Biomass Chemo/Biotechnology Laboratory FAX 55 - 41 - 266 - 2042 CURITIBA - PR (81531-990) - BRAZIL ____________________________________________________________________ Note: (I set the header to Dr. Fontana's email) Adam ___________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Internet Apiculture and Beekeeping Archive adamf@sunsite.unc.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:56:38 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: CSlade777 Subject: Re: feeding bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit What methods do people use to ensure that no cane sugar/ maple syrup/corn syrup ends up in what they sell as pure honey? Chris Slade ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:56:40 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: CSlade777 Subject: Re: Swarming question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The first swarm you saw was the prime swarm with the old queen. The other was probably a "cast" with a virgin. Sometimes if the colony is strong enough and the bees have the genetic predisposition several casts will emerge before that colony's swarming season is over. Don't be too worried about swarms. They are the fun part of beekeeping and to be looked forward to. The easiest way of swarm avoidance is to use one of the many ways of making an artificial swarm. Do it for them before they do it for themselves. Chris Slade ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:20:13 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Stewart Beattie Subject: Re: bee wax cream Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Note this formula like many others uses borax. Can anyone confirm that borax is a band substance in medication creams ( in the UK ) as there is some danger if the cream gets in to young childrens eyes?? Stewart Beattie At 19:03 16/03/98 EST, you wrote: >Tere, >Here is one of the many formulas that I have. > >ULTRA-RICH SKIN CREAM >2 1/2 oz (weight) beeswax >2/3 cup baby oil >1 tsp borax (sodium borate, C.P.) > >4 oz (weight) anhydrous lanolin >3/4 cup water >Fragrant essential oil (optional) > >Chemically pure borox, which is required for cosmetics, is sold by drug >stores. In a microwave or double boiler melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to >160 degrees F. >Heat the borax and water in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure >the borax is dissolved and the wax is melted. Add the water mixture to the >oil mixture while stirring briskly. When white cream forms, stir slowly until >the mixture cools to 100 degrees F. Pour it into small wide-mouth jars. > >Tere, I have many others for you. Tomorrow I'll be mailing you the Kerkhoff >Hive information along with the family photos that I promised. I'll send you >the other formulas that I have. > >Norm > 8080,0000,0000(an old Gable Endie) Cumbria U.K. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:46:55 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Conrad Sigona Subject: Re: feeding bees In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > What methods do people use to ensure that no cane sugar/ maple syrup/corn > syrup ends up in what they sell as pure honey? Don't provide feed when there are supers on. Conrad Sigona conrad@ntcnet.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:54:20 -0800 Reply-To: ChuckSoderquist@worldnet.att.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Charles V. Soderquist" Subject: Re: beekeeper on the move MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are moving to the Denver area proper, as in the City and County of Denver, you are allowed to have only two hives on your property and need permission of your neighbors. In agricultural areas surrounding Denver, then as many as you want. Unfortunately, varroa is here also along with some losses from Penncap M. There are no bee producers as in package bees in the area that I am aware of, I got my bees from your neck of the woods, Navasota TX. I haven't moved any bee hives the distance you are planning but from reading this list over the years proper ventilation is important. You might want to wait until the weather settles in the Denver area usually late April or early May however; we're having a blizzard right now with 12 to 15 inches predicted. Good luck on your move. -- Charles V. Soderquist (\ {|||8- (/ Bikes, bees, and bytes ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:28:01 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: WGMiller Subject: Swarms - a good thing? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit While I might agree that catching someone else's swarm is generally a lot of fun, I spend a lot of effort trying to keep my own hives from swarming. A swarm in my part of Maryland means that that hive is essentially shot as a production colony for the year, as our nectar flow doesn't last long enough to the colony to rebuild to reasonable strength during the nectar flow. Also, I keep colonies in a suburban back yard, and my neighbors do not appreciate a pile of bees hanging from their porch lights. My advice: Consider a swarm out of one of your colonies to be a public embarrasment, and work to avoid them. W. G. Miller Gaithersburg, MD ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:58:16 -0800 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Frank and Ernest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice cartoon today (3/19 but it is the 3/12 strip) at http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/franknernest/ab.html Bill Truesdell Bath, ME ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:31:34 +0100 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Re: bee wax cream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Stewart I cannot confirm the use of borax in medication creams of the UK. But it is a customary substance in creams because of its emulsifying and antibacterial properties. Sincerely Reimund _______________________________ Beekeeper in Germany (Bavaria) Queen Rearing of Carniolan Bees Insemination Station _______________________________ Stewart Beattie schrieb: > Note this formula like many others uses borax. Can anyone confirm that borax is a band substance in medication creams ( in the UK ) as there is some danger if the cream gets in to young childrens eyes?? > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:20:47 +0100 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Re: feeding bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Surely it is hard to detect small amounts of those substances. But larger amounts can be found by chemists because of the lack of pollen and the unusual spectrum of sugar-molecules. Sincerely Reimund ___________________________ Beekeeper in Germany (Bavaria) Queen Rearing of Carniolan Bees Insemination Station ___________________________ CSlade777 schrieb: > What methods do people use to ensure that no cane sugar/ maple syrup/corn > syrup ends up in what they sell as pure honey? > Chris Slade ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:36:38 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: 1997 imports and production Some time ago, some members of Bee-L expressed surprise at the percentage of US honey that is imported. I just received 1997 data from the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture and thought it might be of interest. In 1997 the US imported 163 million pounds of honey and produced 192 million pounds. That is 46% import on a raw basis. However, at the end of 1996 unsold honey held by producers was 47 million pounds and that increased by 47% to 69 million pounds at the end of 1997. To put US production on the same basis as imports, one must add unsold inventory at the end of 1996 and subtract unsold inventory at the end of 1997. Doing so results in imports rising to 49% of honey sold to packers during 1997. At 69 million pounds, inventories were "only" 36% of 1997 US production; high, but perhaps not critically high from a political viewpoint. What might be most important is that if inventories were -0-, meaning that US producers sold 100% of their honey, we would still have to import 94 million pounds to meet demand. That is about 30% of total purchases reported by packers. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:08:48 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tom Sanford Subject: Call for speakers at Apimondia 99: Extension and Regulation Comments: To: apis-l@lists.ufl.edu, AAPA-L@UNLVM.UNL.EDU, apinet-l@amigabee.org.uk Comments: cc: winston@sfu.ca MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dr. Mark Winston has asked me to develop a symposium on beekeeping extension and regulation worldwide for the 1999 Apimondia meeting to be held in Vancouver, Canada 13-18 September. Elements of this symposium might include: 1. Extension education models found around the world 2. Funding extension education around the world 3. Regulatory models found around the world 4. Funding regulation around the world 5. The relation between extension and regulation in the new millenium Extension education is structured differently all over the world. One model is the United States Cooperative Extension Service, which is federal in nature, but based mostly in state Universities The current state of this activity has been well summarized by Dr. Ray Nabors, Missouri extension entomologist . In his document, Dr. Nabors said that beekeeper education should be extension's responsibility and it would be a wise use of public money, given a possible pollination crisis. The U.S. Cooperative Extension Service has been used as a model in many other nations as well. In a few states (Texas and South Carolina), Cooperative Extension also has a regulatory function. In other parts of the world, formal extension education efforts are not necessarily affiliated with universities. This is true in Egypt where there is a formal extension service, but not closely tied to universities . In Italy, universities (Udine, Torino, Bologna) do research and extension work, but a formal educational service does not exist. Italians, however, have a privatized, federally subsidized structure supporting educational efforts, which includes the Federazione Apicoltori Italiani (FAI). . France also has a privatized yet subsidized model for professional beekeepers called ADAPI . Both Italian and French models do not appear to be regulatory in nature, but do carry out some regulatory activity in conjunction with certifying honey and honey houses. In Canada, organized educational efforts are mostly carried out by provincial apiarists, who are also regulators. There exists in Ontario an educational effort supported to a great extent by beekeepers. Regulation in the United States is a mixture of everything from no regulation to highly organized inspection services. Bee inspection is a state function and there is no Federal agency that oversees this activity. Most state inspection services were set up to keep American foulbrood epidemics under control. Again, a few are also affiliated with extension education efforts, both duties generally combined in one individual, somewhat like the Canadian model. With the appearance of tracheal and Varroa mites, inspection services have had to take on more and more responsibilities, and there is debate about whether they have outlived their usefulness . Perhaps the most organized U.S. service is the Florida Apiary Bureau with twelve full-time inspectors and one chief apiarist. Originally fully funded by public money, the Florida inspection service has undergone much change. As part of this, both mandatory registration and a yearly fee have been enacted. At the same time, the Bureau has become much more active in educational efforts than before, which are considered to be important in maintaining credibility with and support from the industry it serves . In Europe and French-speaking Canada, regulation is the domain of veterinarians. This is in contrast to the United States, where veterinarians do not deal with honey bees. The French veterinary inspection service is perhaps one of the most organized and routinely inspects bees and accumulates data on the industry . The FNOSAD is an association of departmental (provincial) bee inspection services . Another organization (CNEVA) also does research on both bee diseases and certifying bee products . Both are I believe are state funded, however, I am unclear about the distinction between the two. They both also publish educational information for beekeepers. These are just a few of the models that might be in existence over the world, which educate beekeepers and regulate bee diseases. This brings us to the central questions of the proposed symposium. Given increased worldwide movement of bees (Africanized and Cape bees) and their parasites, including viruses, mites (Varroa, Acarapis and Tropolaelaps), fungi and bacteria (i.e. TM-resistant Paenibacillus larvae), how is regulation likely to be organized in the new Millennium and how will it be funded? How will extension education fit into this and where will money come from for this activity? I am sending this message out to the electronic discussion lists (apis-l, bee-l, aapa-l, apinet-l,) for feedback and nomination of possible speakers who might address these issues. If you nominate someone, please indicate what topic you believe that person might address. Please be reminded that there are no funds available for symposium speakers at this time. It is also possible to nominate yourself; again, if you do so, please send a short abstract of what you would like to present. Although the full symposium will accommodate 7 to 8 speakers only, there is also the possibility of presenting a poster session. I look forward to potential speaker nominations and other feedback on this important issue. Dr. M.T. Sanford ============================================================================== Dr. Malcolm (Tom) Sanford, Extension Apiculturist, University of Florida Bldg. 970, P.O. Box 110620, Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Ph. 352/392-1801 ext. 143 Fax 352/392-0190 E-mail: mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Publisher of the APIS newsletter: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm To electronically subscribe, send the following to listserv@lists.ufl.edu: subscribe Apis-L First Name Last Name =============================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:27:40 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: David W Oakes Subject: Bee medication MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just recently read a book in which the author used a product in the hive called sodium sulfathiazole. He used it in the fall and spring along with other antibiotics. I have never heard anyone on this list talk about this product. What is it and what is the purpose? Again thanks for the info in advance. Dave in Indiana ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:48:33 EDT Reply-To: mnasr@evbhort.uoguelph.ca Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Medhat Nasr Organization: Environ. Biology & Horticulture Subject: Re: Bee medication Comments: To: David W Oakes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU The use of sulfathiazole in honey bee colonies is prohibited. Medhat Nasr Medhat Nasr Ontario Beekeepers' Association Dept. Environmental Biology University of Guelph Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 Tel: (519) 824-4120 Fax:(519)837-0442 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:04:27 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Pollinator Subject: Re: Bee medication Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-19 13:35:53 EST, you write: << I just recently read a book in which the author used a product in the hive called sodium sulfathiazole. He used it in the fall and spring along with other antibiotics. I have never heard anyone on this list talk about this product. What is it and what is the purpose? >> It was used prior to terramycin for american foulbrood prevention and control, but is much more lasting, and is now illegal to use. If I recall correctly, it was legally used in Canada a little longer, and some loads of imported honey were rejected because of sulfa contamination in the honey. Don't use it. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:59:03 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Gerald L Barbor" Subject: Re: Bee medication Dave, Sodium Sulfathiazol is one of the class of antibacterials that was once used for control of American Foulbrood Disease in Honey Bees. Primarily because of the prevalence of allergy to "Sulfa", it is no longer approved for use in bee colonies. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:25:50 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Robert Barnett Subject: Re: Bee medication Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello David! Sodium sulfathiazole is one of the very early chemotherapy compounds, used to treat bacterial infections in both humans and other animals. This preparation has a bad problem in that it does not dissolve or stay insolution well; as a consequence, it crystallized in kidneys too much, shutting the kidneys down, and in worse scenario could result in death....keeping in mind that there was no other such substance to use immediately following its development in 1937 (in Germany). Within ten years, much, much, improved similar compounds, such a sulfadiazine were available, and these were used in prophylactic medication of foul brood....it held the spores in check, and thus foul brood. With the demonstration that terramycin would accomplish the same with less likelyhood of sensitivity reactions, the beekeepers made the switch, and sulfa drugs were declared off limits in bee operations. I have not researced this afresh, and refuse to stand pat on every word of this....but I think it is quite accurate. Regards, Bob Barnett, Birmingham, Alabama. ---------- > From: David W Oakes > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Bee medication > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:27:40 -0500 > >I just recently read a book in which the author used a product in the hive >called sodium sulfathiazole. He used it in the fall and spring along with >other antibiotics. I have never heard anyone on this list talk about this >product. >What is it and what is the purpose? >Again thanks for the info in advance. >Dave in Indiana ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:02:52 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: John Spaulding Subject: More Worcester, Ma. USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Bee people- First I'd like to apologize to the global community for the local nature of this post. Free Lecture to all who are interested sponsored by the Worcester Co. Beekeepers Association Special April Meeting with Dr. Shimanuki Dr. Shimanuki is director of the U.S. Governments Beltsville Bee Labs. He is involved in bee research and in a number of experiments with honeybees presently ongoing in Beltsville. He is one of the world's most fascinating and knowledgeable beekeeping experts. He is coming back to Worcester by popular request of our members. Dr. Shimanuki will present a two part program on Saturday, April 18, 1998. In his first presentation, entitled, "The All-American Bee" he will talk about the traits that scientists and beekeepers should be looking for in the different species in the development of an all-American bee and the maintenance of such a stock. The talk will include a review of "Tailor made bees," a discussion of industry acceptance, and the progress being made in the development of mite resistant bees. He will also explain how scientists go about accomplishing such work through numerous experiments. The second presentation will be on "Antibiotic and Miticide Tolerance." He will discuss the problems arising with present substances that are being used for disease and mite control and the next generation of materials that are being developed at Beltsville and other labs. This is a FREE presentation you don't want to miss if you plan on keeping bees into the next century! Mark your calendars NOW for April 18th. If you need directions or more information see the Winter 1998 "Apiary Newsletter" or email me at juggler@nesc.org John Spaulding juggler@nesc.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:23:04 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: Bee medication MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I just recently read a book in which the author used a product in the hive >called sodium sulfathiazole. He used it in the fall and spring along with >other antibiotics. I have never heard anyone on this list talk about this >product. They have... and lots, too. Send the following message to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU GETPOST BEE-L 132 1018 1020 3163 3390-3391 3399 4164 5952 5956 5966 5968 GETPOST BEE-L 6054 6057-6058 6300-6301 6310 7141 9567 10708 10713 10719 GETPOST BEE-L 11929 12425 12500 17812 21781-21785 Allen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:28:36 -0800 Reply-To: mister-t@clinic.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Maine State Beekeepers Annual Meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Maine State Beekeepers Association will hold its Annual Meeting, Saturday March 28th in Portland, ME. Dewey Caron will be the principal speaker. If you are interested, send me a note and I will send the program and other info. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME mister-t@clinic.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:06:00 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Allen Dick Subject: Re: Bee medication MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I just recently read a book in which the author used a product in the hive >called sodium sulfathiazole. He used it in the fall and spring along with >other antibiotics. I have never heard anyone on this list talk about this >product. Send this to LISTSERV@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU GETPOST BEE-L 132 1018 1020 3163 3390-3391 3399 4164 5952 5956 5966 5968 6054 6057-6058 6300-6301 6310 7141 9567 10708 10713 10719 11929 12425 12500 17812 21781-21785 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:38:24 PST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Yasin Yilmaz Subject: need help for pollen preparing... Content-Type: text/plain Hello, This year, hopefully i would like to try -for the first time- collecting some amount of pollen from my 11 hives (in Turkiye)... Does collecting pollen give harm to bees, or to the hive in general ? and does it reduce the amount of honey production in that hive ? Do u know a place on web where i can find sources/pictures related to the procedures of preparing pollens? thanks ! Yasin Yilmaz yet a computer science junior ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:14:36 -0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ivan McGill Subject: queen rearing discussion group? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know if there is a queen rearing discussion group on the web? Ivan McGill Prince George, B.C. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:22:09 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: need help for pollen preparing... 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Error-End: One error reported. ------------------------- Rejected message (29 lines) ------------------------- Received: from fwi.rsc.org [194.216.110.2] by CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:59:08 EST Received: tid MAA26833; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:41:46 GMT Received: from wombat.rsc.org by rsc.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #21061) with ESMTP id <01IUVZXLM0PC007LO8@rsc.org> for BBE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:57:37 GMT Received: by wombat.rsc.org with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:58:50 +0000 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:58:49 +0000 From: Michael Francis Subject: Spring cleaning To: "'BBE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 Dear all I'm relatively new to beekeeping and this is my first spring here in the UK. Can anyone give me advice on spring cleaning? At the moment my hive has the entrance block in with the mouse guard still over the entrance. The hive consists of 1 brood box and the bees have been bringing in a lot of pollen over the last few weeks. Any advice gratefully received. michael ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:15:29 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Richard Bonney Subject: [Fwd: about AGRO -98] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7BB53A90555B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7BB53A90555B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bee liners I received the following message recently. Perhaps others of you did also. If so, please excuse the duplication. Dick Bonney rebonney@javanet.com > My name is Petrovsky Vitaly, 56 years old. > I am the bee-master with the 26 years experience of bee-keeping > and the expert in the sphere of three-queen bee keeping in multicase > hives. A lot of bee-equipments and devices of my bee-garden are > worked out and maked by me-srlf. I work together with my son of > 26 years old who has the university education.We both have the > professional driver's licenses. > I would like very much to receive visitors ( bee-masters only ) from > other countries at my home or to visit the bee-masters in other > countries for exchange by bee-keeping experience, organization of > new bee-garden or service of existing bee-garden. > As variant I would like to invite the bee-masters ( to whom it may > be intersting ) to take part in Exhibition-fair AGRO-98 and Conference > in Chelyabinsk, on August, 5-8, 1998, information of which enclosed. > Special sections for bee-masters will be organized on these Exhibition > and Conference. > I think it will be very good opportunity for our meeting and exchange > by our bee-keeping experience. > > My address: Russia 454580 Emangelinsk city of Chelyabinsk region, > Gagarin str.,5-12 tel.: + 7-238-22 973 > e-mail: vitus@pvit.emang.chel.su > > Looking forward to hear from you soon. > Best regards, > > Vitaly Petrovsky --------------7BB53A90555B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from rich.chel.su (root@mobil.surnet.ru [195.54.2.7]) by pos-srv4100.javanet.com (8.8.8/8.7) with ESMTP id CAA31446 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3431.UUCP (uupvit@localhost) by rich.chel.su (8.7.2/Murphy) with UUCP id LAA17042 for rebonney@javanet.com; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:55:22 +0500 (UST) Received: by pvit.emang.chel.su (UUPC/@ v7.00, 07Jan97) id AA23617; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:31:42 GMT (URA) To: rebonney@javanet.com Message-Id: Organization: Vitalij Petrovskij From: "Vitaliy V. Petrovskiy" Date: Sun, 9 Mar 97 11:31:42 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36H] Subject: about AGRO -98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Bonney Richard My name is Petrovsky Vitaly, 56 years old. I am the bee-master with the 26 years experience of bee-keeping and the expert in the sphere of three-queen bee keeping in multicase hives. A lot of bee-equipments and devices of my bee-garden are worked out and maked by me-srlf. I work together with my son of 26 years old who has the university education.We both have the professional driver's licenses. I would like very much to receive visitors ( bee-masters only ) from other countries at my home or to visit the bee-masters in other countries for exchange by bee-keeping experience, organization of new bee-garden or service of existing bee-garden. As variant I would like to invite the bee-masters ( to whom it may be intersting ) to take part in Exhibition-fair AGRO-98 and Conference in Chelyabinsk, on August, 5-8, 1998, information of which enclosed. Special sections for bee-masters will be organized on these Exhibition and Conference. I think it will be very good opportunity for our meeting and exchange by our bee-keeping experience. My address: Russia 454580 Emangelinsk city of Chelyabinsk region, Gagarin str.,5-12 tel.: + 7-238-22 973 e-mail: vitus@pvit.emang.chel.su Looking forward to hear from you soon. Best regards, Vitaly Petrovsky --------------7BB53A90555B-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:12:51 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Spring cleaning Michael Francis in England asked about spring cleaning. Michael, no cleaning might be necessary. Knowing your climate, and with your statement that the bees have been bringing in pollen for several weeks, you should remove your mouse guard. On a day when the temperature is at least 55 degrees, take off the covers. Remove one of the two frames closest to a side. there shouldn't be any brood in it. Set it aside. Look at the next frame, using a little smoke if necessary. It probably won't have any brood in it. If not, remove it and set it aside. If it does have brood in it, slide it over where the other end frame was. Look at the bottom board where the one or two frames were. Is there a lot of dead bees? If not, keep moving frames and looking at the bottom board. If you get 1/2 way through the frames and don't see a lot of dead bees, slide the frames back to where they started, insert the frame(s) you took out, and close the hive. You're done; no cleaning. If you do see a lot of dead bees at any time in the inspection, stop. No need to look further. Use your hive tool and "crack" the hive from the bottom board. Do this on both sides. Lift the hive, and put it on top of the covers (on the ground), as close as possible to the hive. Using your hive tool, scrape all the dead bees off the bottom board. Put the bottom board back, put the hive on top of it, replace the frame(s) you took out. Close up the hive. You've just cleaned it. LloydSpear@email.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:53:32 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tom Sanford Subject: Re: Help? Comments: cc: Lisa Leliaert MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any help here? All I can suggest is the IBRA home page: http://www.cf.ac.uk/ibra/part-of.html Tom Sanford At 04:05 AM 3/20/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Hello, My name is Lisa Leliaert and I am doing missionary, non-profit >work in Bulgaria. As you may know, Bulgaria was formerly a communist >nation where the government owned all businesses, stores, factories, >etc. With the fall of communism, unemployment has skyrocketed. > >One of the projects I am hoping to establish is a means of self support >for the people here. One young man has decided he is interested in >Beekeeping. This is one place where I am at a serious >loss and must ask for the advice of someone with more experience. >I have looked on the net and found many articles written by you. >I am wondering if you have a booklet you may be willing to send to >help him with the basics. > >I will not always be around to get things for him by email, but if you >have something to send to him this way, it would be appreciated. > >Thanks for your help. I look forward to hearing from you. > >Blessings, >Lisa Leliaert > >*If you feel the need to check on my status, you may check my churches >homepage at TCAL.org...under ministries, select missionaries. My name >is Lisa Leliaert. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:01:34 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: Re: Spring cleaning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! I would like to add additional comments to spring cleaning: 1)scrape access propolis from frames 2)remove old medication (grease patties,etc) and replace with "fresh" patties,etc. 3)scrape not "brush" debris from bottom board. 4) check for mites 5)replace queen,if necessary 6)REPLACE old foundation..foundation older than 3-5 years 7)MEDICATE! Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -----Original Message----- From: Lloyd Spear To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 11:50 AM Subject: Spring cleaning >Michael Francis in England asked about spring cleaning. >Michael, no cleaning might be necessary. Knowing your climate, and with >your statement that the bees have been bringing in pollen for several weeks, >you should remove your mouse guard. On a day when the temperature is at >least 55 degrees, take off the covers. Remove one of the two frames closest >to a side. there shouldn't be any brood in it. Set it aside. Look at the >next frame, using a little smoke if necessary. It probably won't have any >brood in it. If not, remove it and set it aside. If it does have brood in >it, slide it over where the other end frame was. > >Look at the bottom board where the one or two frames were. Is there a lot >of dead bees? If not, keep moving frames and looking at the bottom board. >If you get 1/2 way through the frames and don't see a lot of dead bees, >slide the frames back to where they started, insert the frame(s) you took >out, and close the hive. You're done; no cleaning. > >If you do see a lot of dead bees at any time in the inspection, stop. No >need to look further. Use your hive tool and "crack" the hive from the >bottom board. Do this on both sides. Lift the hive, and put it on top of >the covers (on the ground), as close as possible to the hive. Using your >hive tool, scrape all the dead bees off the bottom board. Put the bottom >board back, put the hive on top of it, replace the frame(s) you took out. >Close up the hive. You've just cleaned it. > >LloydSpear@email.msn.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:11:42 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Mike Griggs Subject: National Honey Board Assessment Comments: cc: joseph r rowland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Attention Bee-L--- American members !!!!!! Joe Rowland a member of the Finger Lakes Beekeepers association has sent an article for publication in ABJ, Bee culture and Speedy bee providing information on potential effect of a proposal in Congress that would raise the NHB assessment from 1cent/lb to 2 c/lb and increase packer/importer representation on the Board. I believe that the proposal requires more evaluation before passage so that it represents the industry without favoring one group to the disadvantage of another. Current and future commercial beekeepers need to educate themselves on this issue. Below is the introductory of Joe's article. It is very informative and should be read by all! The complete article is located at http://128.253.66.35. Or you can E-mail Joe directly for a copy at beek6@juno.com (joseph r rowland) Regressivity in the NHB Assessment A built in feature of NHB funding, who it hurts the most and why Twelve years ago, American beekeepers and importers voted to create a producer-controlled generic honey promotion vehicle called the National Honey Board (NHB). The NHB was funded by a voluntary 1c/lb assessment on most honey produced and/or packed in the United States. Producers of less than 6,000 lb/year were exempt then as they still are today. Five years later, the option to voluntarily reclaim assessments was revoked in a referendum vote by the same parties. Incidentally, only about 45% of eligible voters actually voted to delete the refund option. It carried easily because approximately one third of eligible voters didn't vote or had their votes discarded for technical reasons (USDA, 1991). At the present time (mid-March), there is a proposal in Congress that would raise the assessment to 2c/lb and increase packer/importer representation on the NHB. This article focuses on the assessment and how we as assessment-paying beekeepers are impacted by it. Mike Griggs Finger lakes beekeepers association. mhg3@cornell.edu Entomologist/Support Scientist http://www.ppru.cornell.edu/Insect_Pathology/Griggs.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:19:24 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: EMakovec Subject: Repairing Galvanized Extractor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have an old galvanized 4-frame extractor. it works fine, but it leaks in a few places along the bottom seam. What's the best way to repair this? Is solder food-safe? I'm afraid the honey will leach lead out of it. Eugene Makovec Kirkwood, MO ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:49:46 +0100 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Re: queen rearing discussion group? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you get a positive answer, please let it know to the List. Thank you! sincerely Reimund ______________________________ Beekeeper in Germany (Bavaria) Queen Rearing of Carniolan Bees Insemination Station ______________________________ Ivan McGill schrieb: > Does anyone know if there is a queen rearing discussion group on the web? > > Ivan McGill > Prince George, B.C. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:04:47 +0100 Reply-To: drs@kulmbach.baynet.de Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Dr. Reimund Schuberth" Subject: Re: need help for pollen preparing... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Yasin, Yasin Yilmaz schrieb: > Hello, > > This year, hopefully i would like to try -for the first time- collecting > some amount of pollen from my 11 hives (in Turkiye)... What about the market for Turkish pollen? > Does collecting pollen give harm to bees, or to the hive in general ? and > does it reduce the amount of honey production in that hive ? Surely you will reduce honey income to those hives. You should collect pollenonly during maximum honey production of your hives. > Do u know a place on web where i can find sources/pictures related to > the procedures of preparing pollens? Sorry no, but you can find those pictures in a lot of books about beekeeping. Sincerely Reimund _______________________________ Beekeeper in Germany (Bavaria) Queen Rearing of Carniolan Bees Insemination of Queens _______________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:15:02 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Allen G. Meek" Organization: Radiation Oncology SUNY Stony Brook Subject: Weighing Hives In-Reply-To: <066843427161438UPIMSSMTPUSR02@email.msn.com> I am asking for advice on what kind of scale and where to obtain such a scale for weighing hives. I would like to monitor one of my hives this spring and summer to better understand the timing of nectar flows. I've phoned several distributor of scales in my area and the best they can come up with is an ~$1500 stainless steel contraption which seems absurd to me. What I've read talks about "shop scales" but no place I call seems to know what these are. I'm a novice hobby beekeeper with just 9 hives. Thanks in advance for any advice. -Allen G. Meek Allen G. Meek Department of Radiation Oncology University Hospital SUNY Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY 11794-7028 InterNet: AMEEK@radonc.som.sunysb.edu Phone: (516)444-7770 Fax: (516)689-8801 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:25:14 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Queen Discussion Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I don't know of a queen specific discussion group on the list. I'm puzzled why you just don't start a discussion of queen rearing right here?!? Aaron Morris ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:48:47 -0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ivan McGill Subject: Re: Weighing Hives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I am asking for advice on what kind of scale and where to obtain such >a scale for weighing hives. I would like to monitor one of my hives >this spring and summer to better understand the timing of nectar >flows. I've phoned several distributor of scales in my area and the >best they can come up with is an ~$1500 stainless steel contraption >which seems absurd to me. What I've read talks about "shop scales" >but no place I call seems to know what these are. I'm a novice hobby >beekeeper with just 9 hives. Thanks in advance for any advice. > > -Allen G. Meek > > >Allen G. Meek >Department of Radiation Oncology >University Hospital >SUNY Stony Brook >Stony Brook, NY 11794-7028 > >InterNet: AMEEK@radonc.som.sunysb.edu >Phone: (516)444-7770 >Fax: (516)689-8801 If you can find an old plateform scale at a second-hand store that would probably be the best. There use to be colonies scale advertised in Gleanings in Bee Culture, don't know how good they were but worth a try. The other are other ways of weighing. Check with Davis University or other universities they would probably have alternatives. Ivan McGill Prince George, B.C. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:17:14 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Elroy Rogers Subject: Re: Queen Discussion Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to second this, I think it would be very helpful to exchange info on queen rearing this spring. I plan on raise as many queens as I can get this spring and would be like to pass along information on progress, maybe someone could point out mistakes. I won't start until april 15th that is when bees start returning from california, but would like to see others post their experiences until then. The method I plan on using is the Jenter queen rearing box, and also try my hand at grafting. As my first round of queens I am going to try a swarm box and a queenless colony for cell starters, to see which method I like best. I then plan on transfering them to queen right colonies above queen excluders for finishing. I am going to make 5 frame nucs out of 10 frame brood boxes for mating with separate entrances at both ends. My bigest problem could be cold weather which could keep virgin queens from mating. I live in southwest Minnesota where the weather doesn't like to cooperate so it will be interesting to see how many queens I do get. I have decided to treat my colonies for nosema before I start just to be sure the bees are stressed from one less disease, although they my not need it after 3 different pollinations. So lets get a thread going on queen rearing. Elroy Aaron Morris wrote: > I don't know of a queen specific discussion group on the list. I'm > puzzled why you just don't start a discussion of queen rearing right > here?!? > > Aaron Morris ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:41:04 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: GImasterBK Subject: Re: Weighing Hives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Allen: I have 4 scales, one in each apiary; AND WOULDN'T DO WITHOUT THEM! The scales were used in hardware stores years ago to weigh feed, nails, shingles, etc. They are referred to as PLATFORM scales, where the platform size is perhaps 20 by 30 inches, more than enough to sit one bee colony on it permanently and weigh it every night (all bees back home). When it starts gaining 2-3 pounds/day, the nectar flow is starting, and (dependant on your location) a strong nectar flow gathered by well populated colony might increase in weight 15-20 lbs/day. $1500 is about right for a NEW fancy one. Watch the newspapers for FARM SALES and FARM AUCTIONS and you can usually get one for $50-$75. Clean it up, PAINT it with GOOD paint, set a colony on it permanently. I keep my weight bars and movable weights covered with heavy plastic waste bags from July to next March, and then remove this cover material for weighing every day in April, May, & June. I have been questioned in the past about weights of 15-20 lbs per day increase. Remember, we are weighing thin watery NECTAR, not honey. I have seen 30 lbs in one day a couple of times in my life. George Imirie in Maryland ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:14:26 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: LJConnor Subject: New EAS Address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit To: List members From: Larry Connor, EAS Journal Editor Re: New Address Donald Chirnside is the Treasurer of the Eastern Apicultural Society of North America, Inc. (EAS). He has a new address: Don Chirnside 99 Weavers Road North Kingstown, RI 02852-7135 Don collects the dues for EAS membership and maintains the offical membership list and mailing list. The EAS Journal is published four times a year and mailed to over 1000 North American beekeeper families. The last issue was the winter issue, 1998, which was mailed about six weeks ago. I understand people are still getting their issues in the mail, thanks to the USPS (United States Postal Snails). Is there an EAS member/master beekeeper who would like to list on a website all of the magazine contents? I will work with someone who will be able to donate time and effort to do this for everyone's benefit. I do not have time or money to do this myself. Larry Connor, Editor Wicwas Press PO Box 817 Cheshire CT 06410 ljconnor@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:42:59 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Stewart Beattie Subject: Re: Repairing Galvanized Extractor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Do not use solder unless you can re-galvanise. Looks like you should invest in a new extractor. Have you tried sealing the seam with hot beeswax? At 12:19 20/03/98 EST, EMakovec wrote: >I have an old galvanized 4-frame extractor. it works fine, but it leaks in a >few places along the bottom seam. What's the best way to repair this? Is >solder food-safe? I'm afraid the honey will leach lead out of it. > >Eugene Makovec >Kirkwood, MO > 8080,0000,0000(an old Gable Endie) Cumbria U.K. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:54:05 -0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ivan McGill Subject: Re: Repairing Galvanized Extractor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I have an old galvanized 4-frame extractor. it works fine, but it leaks in a >few places along the bottom seam. What's the best way to repair this? Is >solder food-safe? I'm afraid the honey will leach lead out of it. > >Eugene Makovec >Kirkwood, MO Check with a small welding shop or radiator repair. They can probably fix it with something that is food safe. We have solder that has no lead, we use it for copper pipes, check with a plumber also. Ivan McGill Prince George, B.C. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:41:23 +0100 Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Barry Birkey Organization: BIRKEY.COM Subject: Re: Repairing Galvanized Extractor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EMakovec wrote: > I have an old galvanized 4-frame extractor. it works fine, but it leaks in a > few places along the bottom seam. What's the best way to repair this? Is > solder food-safe? I'm afraid the honey will leach lead out of it. > > Eugene Makovec > Kirkwood, MO Use silver solder. The solder won't hurt you if there isn't lead in it. -- Barry Birkey West Chicago, Illinois USA Barry@Birkey.com http://www.birkey.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:08:08 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Morris Booton Subject: Re: Repairing Galvanized Extractor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The solder now used by plumbers for waterpipes does not have lead in it. I also have an old extracter as you describe and had to replace a bearing that required a little solder to tighten up the bolt holes . It's as good as a new one now. Morris Booton Waynesville, Mo. booton@jobe.net Stewart Beattie wrote: > Do not use solder unless you can re-galvanise. Looks like you should invest in a new extractor. > Have you tried sealing the seam with hot beeswax? > > At 12:19 20/03/98 EST, EMakovec wrote: > >I have an old galvanized 4-frame extractor. it works fine, but it leaks in a > >few places along the bottom seam. What's the best way to repair this? Is > >solder food-safe? I'm afraid the honey will leach lead out of it. > > > >Eugene Makovec > >Kirkwood, MO > > > (an old Gable Endie) > Cumbria U.K. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:29:55 -0800 Reply-To: richard@centex.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Richard Harkey Organization: Harkey's Honey Subject: Queen Discussion Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good to me, and I would like to ask how many and what differences there might be on devices such as the Jenter system. Has any one used one for how long a period? How many queens raised in one season, using like device? I have the "Mann Lake Queen Breeding Device" and do not use it with all parafinalia, but with "J Z B Z's" cell bars and cell protectors, as well as cages. This is my first year using device so I don't have any information to pass on except so far I haven't had any trouble getting it full of eggs, almost 100%. I asked the question about raising queens from eggs some time back and was answered by several to my e-mail address instead of to the list. I would think Steve Tabor might have some input as he has experimented with eggs, and he is a professional breeder. Dr. Reimund Schuberth, likewise has some very interesting thoughts and advice, that I appreciated. Why are device manufacturers quiet? Sincerely, Richard Harkey ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:04:50 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Paul Cronshaw, D.C." Subject: Swarming Stats Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone noticed an increase in swarming in their area this year? I am getting swamped with swarm calls in Santa Barbara..... Perhaps the bees have figured out how to contol the mite infestation themselves. Paul Cronshaw, D.C. Cyberchiro/High School Teacher and Hobbyist Beekeeper Santa Barbara, CA USA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:16:38 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Robert E Butcher Subject: Re: Swarming Stats I've gotten afew myself. I'm in Tucson Az. Good luck with your swarms guys God Bless You Robert E. Butcher bobbees@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:25:51 +0000 Reply-To: saradan@mcmail.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tony Bloor Subject: Varroa Drop and Resistance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I have recently tested my colonies for the presence of Varroa using Bayvarol strips, unfortunately, all four hives were infected. 48 hours after the strips were introduced the test trays showed a drop of 10, 10, 6 and 52 dead mites respectively. I presume from these figures that at present this is a comparatively light infection. 24 hours later I examined the trays again, this time no mites were found. I reckon any infected larvae present, should emerge over the next fortnight, along with their unwanted guests! As per the instructions, I will leave the strips in for the full six weeks, to catch the young mites as they leave the cells. I intend to monitor the additional drops over the above period. However, I have a couple of questions: Is it possible to estimate how many of the total adults are killed within that first 48 hours? I was talking to a long standing beekeeper a few days ago who suggested virtually all of the emerged adults would be killed during this time.Over the next two weeks a majority of the, at present, capped mites will be eradicated as they emerge. Of the minority still present, after the fortnight, these presumably will be the ones exhibiting signs of resistance to Varroacides. Is the effect of the chemical on these mites cumulative during the following four weeks of treatment to the point where they can no longer tolerate its effect, or is length of exposure immaterial in these cases as they are resistant, period? I would like to consider trying Dr Rodriguez method of control, however in the UK the Government appears to be adamant that Bayvarol is the only legal chemical solution at present. So I may try drone trapping. Apologies for the length of the posting. Regards Tony Staffordshire, UK ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:33:07 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Drory hive 1874 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 V2hvIGNhbiBoZWxwIG15IHdpdGggdGhlIERyb3J5IEhpdmUgb24NCg0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy54 czRhbGwubmwvfmp0ZW1wL0Ryb3J5SGl2ZS5odG1sDQoNCmdyZWV0aW5nLCBqYW4NCrCwsLCw sLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsA0K SmFuIFRlbXBlbG1hbiAvIEluZWtlIERyYWJiZSAgICAgfCAgICAgbWFpbHRvOmp0ZW1wQHhz NGFsbC5ubA0KU3RlcnJlbW9zIDE2ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgMzA2OSBBUyBSb3R0ZXJkYW0s IFRoZSBOZXRoZXJsYW5kcw0KVGVsL0ZheCAoU09NRVRJTUVTKSBYWCAzMSAoMCkxMC00NTY5 NDEyDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LnhzNGFsbC5ubC9+anRlbXAvaW5kZXgzLmh0bWwNCrCwsLCwsLCw sLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsA0KDQo= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:04:30 -0500 Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Michael Palmer Organization: French Hill Apiaries Subject: Re: Swarming Stats MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit El Nino has given you more than rain and pounding surf. The bees are strong here in northern Vermont too. Not much flight yet. Not even a real good cleansing flight. Overall the clusters are large. Best I've seen since - the last El Nino. No oil put on the bees here! If we have a good spring, we'll have pleanty of swarming too. Looks like it might be a good year for making nucs.Should have our first pollen in about two weeks. Apple bloom in six to seven weeks. Paul Cronshaw, D.C. wrote: > Has anyone noticed an increase in swarming in their area this year? > > I am getting swamped with swarm calls in Santa Barbara..... > > Perhaps the bees have figured out how to contol the mite infestation > themselves. > > Paul Cronshaw, D.C. > Cyberchiro/High School Teacher and Hobbyist Beekeeper > Santa Barbara, CA USA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:06:47 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: AdamsHonCo Subject: Re: Bee medication Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sulfa as most people called it was used alot,at least in florida until 10 -15 years ago . It is not available under the same name and is not legal to use anymore.It was the best thing to control AFB, but those in higher powers said it was getting into the honey. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:59:12 EST Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: BKPR333 Subject: Re: Repairing Galvanized Extractor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit there is a lead free solder available for domestic water lines that should work just fine for repairing the leaks on your extractor any local hardware store should be able to help. The area that has the leak must be cleaned and fluxed , use a soldering iron or a small hand torch its kind of tricky but bee patient and you should be able to solder it yourslf the solder should flow onto the suspect area it doesnt matter how the solder joint looks as long as it doesnt leak . good luck ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:16:18 -0500 Reply-To: t_wiegelmann@conknet.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Thomas Wiegelmann Organization: Wiegelmann Apiaries, Inc. Subject: Re: Repairing Galvanized Extractor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EMakovec wrote: > > I have an old galvanized 4-frame extractor. it works fine, but it leaks in a > few places along the bottom seam. What's the best way to repair this? Is > solder food-safe? I'm afraid the honey will leach lead out of it. > > Eugene Makovec > Kirkwood, MO Do not use solder thats where lead poisoing comes from i personally would get rid of it but if you ensist on repairing it buy food grade epoxy to patch with then get food grade epoxy paint and paint it so that the honey doen't come in contact with any of the galvonize which also has lead in it.GOOD LUCK ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:29:33 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Lloyd Spear Subject: Varroa mites Tony Bloor asked about mites and strips. My understanding from a lecture just last week by Dr. Nick Calderone of Cornell, is that approximately 50% of the adult mites will be killed in the first 48 hours by the strips. The remainder will be killed over the next several days, but the percentage is difficult to determine as the kill will also include those emerging from cells. Yes, your mite infestation is very low. I have not heard of mite resistance in the UK. That doesn't mean it is not there. If you leave the strips in for the recommended length of time you will get a 99% kill, if you do not have resistance. It is not 100% only because some mites seem to escape the fluvalinate. Unless resistance is present, even those 1% would be killed upon exposure. However, at the end of the 6-8 week time, the amount of chemical on the strips is very low. Keeping them in the hive beyond then will eventually lead to resistant mites as the chemical load on the strips is not enough to kill them, allowing them to build a tolerance. I hope this helps. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:33:03 +0200 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Drory hive 1874 please wait JAN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 c29tZXRoaW5nIHdlbnQgd3JvbmcgdXBsb2FkaW5nIHRoZSBwaWN0dXJlcw0KDQpwbGVhc2Ug d2FpdC4NCg0KU09SUlksIFNPUlJZDQoNCkphbiBUZW1wZWxtYW4gd3JvdGU6DQo+IA0KPiBX aG8gY2FuIGhlbHAgbXkgd2l0aCB0aGUgRHJvcnkgSGl2ZSBvbg0KPiANCj4gaHR0cDovL3d3 dy54czRhbGwubmwvfmp0ZW1wL0Ryb3J5SGl2ZS5odG1sDQo+IA0KPiBncmVldGluZywgamFu DQoNCrCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCw sLCwsLCwsA0KSmFuIFRlbXBlbG1hbiAvIEluZWtlIERyYWJiZSAgICAgfCAgICAgbWFpbHRv Omp0ZW1wQHhzNGFsbC5ubA0KU3RlcnJlbW9zIDE2ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgMzA2OSBBUyBS b3R0ZXJkYW0sIFRoZSBOZXRoZXJsYW5kcw0KVGVsL0ZheCAoU09NRVRJTUVTKSBYWCAzMSAo MCkxMC00NTY5NDEyDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LnhzNGFsbC5ubC9+anRlbXAvaW5kZXgzLmh0bWwN CrCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCw sLCwsA0KDQo= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:15:25 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Rod Rupert Subject: Price for extractor Can someone tell me what would be a fair price to offer for the following equipment? 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Anyone to know about Funral services PRIVATELY EMAIL ME at BEEMANNICK@aol.com Nick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:42:38 -0800 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: Erwin Glew In-Reply-To: <4e2df447.35143f61@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:29 PM 3/21/98 -0500, you wrote: Hi Nick, Thanks for the sad news. Many in the beekeeping community from coast to coast did know Ewrin and he will be missed. I did not know him well but the few times I had the pleasure of beeing social with him I can say I never heard him speak ill of another person or in all the years I have been around the beekeeping community did I ever hear anything but praise for him and the work he did for Dadant & Sons. He was also fun to be around and a tireless worker. ttul, the Old Drone Something different for beekeepers at http://209.76.50.54 >As most of you may not know Ewrin, he was the branch manger of Dadant's And >Sons in Sioux City Iowa. He passed on today at 8:00 am Central time. And yes >this is probly not right to do on the line but I fell it right. Most of you >would have Loved Erwin very much. He played a big part in me geting into bees >at such a young age of 12. We bought our first and second hive from him. He >ment a lot to me. Anyone to know about Funral services PRIVATELY EMAIL ME at >BEEMANNICK@aol.com > >Nick