========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:00:00 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Ralph W. Harrison" Subject: Visiting England and looking for beekeepers! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My wife and I will be traveling in England (Sussex, Isle of Wight, Devon and Cornwall) during the month of June. Would any beekeepers in those areas be interested meeting and talking bees with a US beekeeper? Please e-mail me direct and not the list. Thanks! Regards, Ralph Harrison Western Connecticut Beekeepers Association Milford, CT USA 12 Year beekeeper, 12 hives and still learning! HarrisonRW@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:30:27 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Faith Andrews Bedford Subject: Re: Honeyhouse burned! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-05-25 08:54:11 EDT, you write: << Editor's Note: Honeyhouse fires are much more common than they should be. We hear about several each year, and there are many we do not hear about. Wax is extremely flammable and once a wax fire gets started, it is virtually impossible to stop >> As a hobbyist who melts her wax in a microwave, I've found it to me a good way to do thing...in a small way. I once overheated things and the contained environment snuffed it pretty quickly. Faith Andrews Bedford ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:19:00 +0300 Reply-To: jtemp@xs4all.nl Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Jan Tempelman Organization: Home Subject: Re: Finding Queen Cells MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Computer Software Solutions Ltd wrote: > So how can you be sure if you are keeping only one queen cell in a split > that the larva is not damaged?. Why would you look for CELLS when you have set them on ONE cell??? -- ------------------------------------------------- home of the drone frame method. de darreraat methode ------------------------------------------------- http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/index3.html Jan Tempelman / Ineke Drabbe | mailto:jtemp@xs4all.nl Sterremos 16 3069 AS Rotterdam, The Netherlands Tel/Fax (SOMETIMES) XX 31 (0)10-4569412 ------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 06:04:50 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Apiservices Subject: Beekeeping products for sale or wanted (new free forum) Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" now brings you a new free international service for all your wholesale needs at the following address: http://www.beekeeping.com/honey There are already a dozen advertisements and it's only the beginning. 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The information required on the form is as follows: Name Email Origin Quality Quantity Price FOB Sample Analysis Remarks _________________________________________ Gilles RATIA International Beekeeping Consultant Webmaster of the "World's First Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" APISERVICES Beekeeping Development "Le Terrier" F-24420 Coulaures - FRANCE Phone: +33 (0)5 53 05 91 13 Mobile: +33 (0)6 07 68 49 39 Fax: +33 (0)5 53 04 44 57 Email: gilles.ratia@apiservices.com Web: http://www.beekeeping.com and http://www.beekeeping.org and http://www.apiculture.com and http://www.apicultura.com and http://www.apiservices.com _________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:08:32 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Microwave & Wax In-Reply-To: <86a2d4a9.356ed494@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:30 AM 5/29/98 -0400, you wrote: > >As a hobbyist who melts her wax in a microwave, I've found it to me a good way >to do thing...in a small way. I once overheated things and the contained >environment snuffed it pretty quickly. Tell us more.. Did it actually flame up or just make a lot of smoke? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:49:54 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: jinnah Subject: e-mail address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have an e-mail address for JOS SCHOENMAKER of the United Arab Emirates, please? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 07:58:11 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ruary Rudd Subject: Re: Finding Queen Cells MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Finding Queen Cells >>Tom Barrett wrote >In order to find the Queen cells, I have been advised to shake off all of >the bees in case a Queen cell is missed. > >I read elsewhere that if you shake a frame with a Queen Cell on it, the >larva is liable to be dislodged from the bed of larva. > Rather than shaking the frame which could dislodge larva, try brushing the bees from the frames. Ruary Rudd ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 13:09:24 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Joel Govostes Subject: Re: Finding Queen Cells In-Reply-To: <005801bd8b98$72567340$16e8869f@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It is a little easier to just hold the comb near one's face, and gently blow some air at clumping bees, to get them out of the way. Then you can see the parts of the comb they were obscuring, and they don't get all discombobulated. Just don't try this if you had any onions for lunch! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:43:41 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: BILL HUGHES JR Subject: Laying workers or young queen??? Bee liners, Today I checked one of my hives and discovered that some of the cells had two eggs in them, but not all. I checked all the frames and found that it was about a 20% had two eggs will the rest had only one. There is six frames of sealed brood, larve and eggs and lots of bees. This colony did swarm eariler this year. Do I just have a young queen or laying workers? Bill Hughes ____ Bill Hughes Bent Holly Honey Farm Brighton, Tennessee USA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:48:04 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: Re: Finding Queen Cells MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee -----Original Message----- From: Joel Govostes To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Finding Queen Cells >It is a little easier to just hold the comb near one's face, and gently >blow some air at clumping bees, to get them out of the way. Then you can >see the parts of the comb they were obscuring, and they don't get all >discombobulated. interesting..breathing on bees..thought this would certainly irritate the ladies..the exchange of carbon dioxide(sic)..is this not so? herb ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:33:34 -0400 Reply-To: beekeepr@bellsouth.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Frank Humphrey Subject: Do Pheromone lures work? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some time ago there was some discussion about lures and whether or not they work. The general consensus seemed to be that they don't. I had several lures ordered but I only put in one lure. I put together 7 swarm boxes made of 1/4" plywood and containing 5 frames. I used them to start my nucs this year to get some "bee smell" in them. I put them in 3 locations. A week or so later my sister in law called and ask me to come and get the bees off the top of her shed. They were in the box with the lure. I brought the bees home and put them in a hive and put the box at one of the other locations. Two weeks later it was full of bees, the others untouched. One swarm moved into one of the unabated boxes at the 3rd location. I brought some of the boxes home last weekend and stacked them under some tin roofing along with the bated box which I had just emptied. I left it with 2 old rat chewed frames. I came in from the road last night and when I checked the swarms in the back yard this morning, you guessed it, another swarm had moved into the bated box. All the boxes I used had at least 2 frames of old combs. Only difference was the lure. That box caught 4 swarms while the other 6 only caught 1 between them. Do Pheromone lures work? I'm now convinced that they do. Next year I intend to put lured in all my swarm boxes. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:49:51 -0400 Reply-To: beekeepr@bellsouth.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Frank Humphrey Subject: Re: Finding Queen Cells In-Reply-To: <000a01bd8c25$64f81360$0e35e8d0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >It is a little easier to just hold the comb near one's face, and gently > >blow some air at clumping bees, to get them out of the way. Then you can > >see the parts of the comb they were obscuring, and they don't get all > >discombobulated. > interesting..breathing on bees..thought this would certainly irritate the > ladies..the exchange of carbon dioxide(sic)..is this not so? > herb > I've been doing this for years but decided not to post during all the discussion earlier this year. Everyone seemed to think this irritated bees and I guess it does. However in my experience they just look for some other place to be when you blow on them. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:49:53 -0400 Reply-To: beekeepr@bellsouth.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Frank Humphrey Subject: Re: Laying workers or young queen??? In-Reply-To: <199805302343.TAA19986@mime3.prodigy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Today I checked one of my hives and discovered that some of the cells > had two eggs in them, but not all. Do I just have a > young queen or laying workers? > > Bill Hughes > I recently caught a small swarm and got all the bees. I have observed 2 eggs in a number of cells. I think I probably have a young queen since they are all in the bottom of the cells. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:29:01 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: David Green Subject: Re: Finding Queen Cells Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/30/98 8:57:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, midnitebee@CYBERTOURS.COM writes: << >It is a little easier to just hold the comb near one's face, and gently >blow some air at clumping bees, to get them out of the way. Then you can >see the parts of the comb they were obscuring, and they don't get all >discombobulated. interesting..breathing on bees..thought this would certainly irritate the ladies..the exchange of carbon dioxide(sic)..is this not so? >> The ones that are clinging to the frame, clumping up, etc, are young bees, so unlikely to get irritated. Gently blowing on them will cause them to move on. It really does work! Now if you have a problem hive: a failing queen, a honeybound queen, foulbrood or chalkbrood, any situation where there is little brood and most of the bees are old bees -- then you can have runny bees, and you'd better not blow on them....... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:24:22 -0700 Reply-To: robert@objectdata.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Robert MacKimmie Subject: Africanized behavioral question ... Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) Hi all, The apple guy at the San Francisco Farmers's Market is really curious about Africanized behaviour. A bee person told him of a beekeeper who wore a face mask to mask his breath out a hose a some minimal distance -- enough to not disturb the bees -- and he was able to work without disturbing them. He was really anxious to see know if this were an excitement trigger. I could go hit an Africanized FAQ and would appreciate any leads, but I thought someone would be able to speak to this observation immediately and possibly provide a quick and easy overview of the attack psychology or other "slightly-more-informed-than-general-information" viewpoint. Thanks for allowing this general inquiry -- I told him that I would ask this listserv and he was really disappointed this morning that I didn't have an answer for him. Thanks for your consideration. Robert MacKimmie robert@objectdata.com The San Francisco Branch of Marshall's Farm Honey ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:11:21 -0800 Reply-To: beeman@gci.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tom Elliott Organization: Home Subject: Re: Laying workers or young queen??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BILL, You just have a young queen. Laying workers will leave many more than two eggs in a cell. Also, those eggs will not be on the bottom, but on the sides of the cell. (Worker abdomens are too short to reach the bottom.) > Do I just have a young queen or laying workers? -- "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) Tom Elliott Chugiak, Alaska U.S.A. beeman@gci.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:14:19 -0800 Reply-To: beeman@gci.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tom Elliott Organization: Home Subject: Re: Finding Queen Cells MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Midnitebee wrote: > interesting..breathing on bees..thought this would certainly irritate the > ladies..the exchange of carbon dioxide(sic)..is this not so? I routinely blow gently on a comb if I want to see something specific. They have never appeared to get "irritated". They will move out of the way though. This may not be true everywhere, I understand that bees are milder mannered here in Alaska. -- "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) Tom Elliott Chugiak, Alaska U.S.A. beeman@gci.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:40:15 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Robert Barnett Subject: Re laying workers-young Qn Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello Bill Hughes and all: In the first few days a very young queen often places several eggs in one cell, but I have not seen the extra eggs placed on the cell walls as with laying workers; nor have I seen this in 20% of egg holding cells. The young queen lays this way (in my opinion) just because of her inexperience, and it ceases in just a few days. In the case cited here, it is not stated how much area in this six frames have eggs and larvae, and how much area has capped brood ( presumably left by the old swarmed queen). I read this as a new laying queen, the swarm having left about 2+ weeks ago; fill us in! My vote goes against laying workers here. Bob Barnett, Birmingham --------------------- Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:43:41 -0500 From: BILL HUGHES JR Subject: Laying workers or young queen??? > Today I checked one of my hives and discovered that some of the cells > had two eggs in them, but not all. I checked all the frames and > found that it was about a 20% had two eggs while the rest had only one. > There is six frames of sealed brood, larvae and eggs and lots of bees > This colony did swarm eariler this year. Do I just have a > young queen or laying workers? Bill Hughes ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 10:09:22 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "Andy Nachbaur (by way of Andy Nachbaur )" Subject: Re. Africanized behavioral question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:24 PM 5/30/98 -0700, you wrote: >The apple guy at the San Francisco Farmers's Market is really curious about >Africanized behaviour. >A bee person told him of a beekeeper who wore a face mask to mask his breath >out a hose a some minimal distance -- enough to not disturb the bees -- and >he was able to work without disturbing them. He was really anxious to see >know if this were an excitement trigger. Hi Robert, Tell the Apple Guy that picture and "story" was the direct result of one government agency, the "USDA", having too many of his/our tax dollars to spend and it's only purpose was to put the "fear" in him by promoting "killer" bees so he would be more then happy to pay more taxes to support their work. The people who do this work have little practical knowledge of keeping bees or those bee keepers who do and most would starve to death if they had to produce anything with a consumer value like honey or apples even if they were given a 1,000 hives of bees and a 1,000 acres of Apples to try to make a living at no cost to them. The day that we bee keepers dress up with breathing tubes will be after we finish a dinner of apples with worms and maggots in them because the same government agency says that increases the protein people receive from eating apples. If you want an honest evaluation on "killer" bees and so called "BS" (bee science) take a trip to: http://beenet.com/texmex.htm But first maybe you should check out the writers credentials at: http://www.mca.com/tv/players/zuckerman.html Of course Ed is not a Bee Scientist, but he did graduate from Cornell and only because he has found success can he now afford to expose the truth of the "killer" bees and not the HYPE he helped produce in his other life as a hungry journalist... >I could go hit an Africanized FAQ and would appreciate any leads, but I Most of these FAQ's are no more then what one should do when around any bees if one does not want to collect stings. It matters little what the color, race, or religion of the bees or the intended target is. It is well to remember when you are run down and killed by an automobile it matters not to you what the make, model, or year it was, (well maybe it does to your family as they would want to sue the guy with the new $200,000 import and not the illegal immigrant with the tired old $500 pick up who can't afford insurance and would take leg bail anyway.) Its the same with being stung by a bee, if you are one of the dozen or so people who die each year from bee stings in the US, the bee that kills you becomes a "killer" bee regardless of its color, race or religion. If the bee keeper has anything of value other then his bees and has conducted his business in a way to cause the public to be put at risk then he would be a target of litigation and soon would be out of business because of the increasing cost of lie ability insurance. The bigger the lie the higher the cost and we can thank those who continue to hype "killer" bees for the ever increasing cost of insurance to beekeepers. I don't know any beekeeper who have been put out of business because of their bees being "killers", but many beekeepers can not afford insurance. BTW, most of those who die from bee stings do so because they did not realize they were super sensitive to the proteins in the bee stings and these deaths are for the most part preventable. So if one needs to look for the good in all this hype about "killer" bees it has made the public more aware of the danger to those people and in fact the death rate from all bee stings has decreased since the start of the "killer" bee hype. >"slightly-more-informed-than-general-information" viewpoint. Good Luck, but I have found in public most bee scientists follow the Party Line set by Government BS and only one or two in a lifetime dare do different. The beekeepers who have Tex-Mex or so called African bees don't say much as they have other work that keeps them busy, producing honey, and today the commercial quantity of honey produced in the USA may come from as high as 10% Africanized bees. And for sure as much as 30% of all the honey consumed each year in the USA is produced by African bees outside of Africa for which those producers should be very grateful. ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, California ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:29:16 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "John R. Valentine" Subject: Skunk, update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello Bee Friends, Thank you for all the helpful tips on how to live trap our little nocturnal friend. He continued to ripe up our lawn during the night. And after trying to live trap him for several months, 9 raccoons and 4 opossums later we had to make a very difficult decision. I had to apply granular insect killer over the whole lawn. I am normally against all pesticides. For the last two weeks there has been no diggings, only an occasional test hole. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:50:49 -0500 Reply-To: beeworks@muskoka.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: David Eyre Organization: The Bee Works Subject: Re: Laying workers or young queen??? In-Reply-To: <199805302343.TAA19986@mime3.prodigy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 30 May 98 at 19:43, BILL HUGHES JR wrote: > Today I checked one of my hives and discovered that some of the > cells had two eggs in them, but not all. I checked all the frames > and found that it was about a 20% had two eggs will the rest had > only one. > There is six frames of sealed brood, larve and eggs and lots of > bees. This colony did swarm eariler this year. Do I just have a > young queen or laying workers? By now you've had a number of answers, and I agree with the young queen, as often in our baby nucs we find multiple eggs. To the untrained it can look like laying workers, sometimes. Interestingly enough I was grafting late last week and found some multiple larvae. In two or three cells there were two larvae being fed. I can only assume that at some later stage one or both would be removed. ******************************************* The Bee Works, 9 Progress Dr, Unit 2, Orillia, Ontario, L3V 6H1 Phone/fax 705-326-7171 David Eyre, Owner. http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks e-mail ******************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:32:56 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Christopher Slade Subject: finding queen cells and "queenlessness" after swarming Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In order to find queen cells either brush the bees off the comb with the traditional goose wing or with a handful of grass. Only shake if it doesn't matter if the potential queen is damaged. Never destroy a queen cell unless you are certain the colony can replace it if necessary. I have often had to help beekeepers who have destroyed queen cells a week after the colony has swarmed. They have only themselves to blame that the colony is queenless. You do not know whether the colony is queenless unless you have challenged them with the classic test of a frame of larvae. I have often found that the new queen will not begin to lay until all the previous queen's daughters have emerged. Chris Slade