========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:35:45 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: X-files movie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Honey bees again make it onto the movie screen. The recent movie, "The X-Files," has an episode that includes bees delivering a toxic material. Be warned, though, the reviews I have read indicate that only those who have seen many of the TV episodes of the series might appreciate the story line in the movie. One of the earlier TV episodes had Scully and Mulder (the stars) walking into a GIANT beehive (more than house story high) to escape an extra-terrestrial being that pursued them (the extra-terrestrial was not so lucky --- it got stung very badly!). Unfortunately, my wife erased the video tape I had made of the episode, so I could not share it with anyone locally. The LOS ANGELES TIMES indicated: MPAA rating: PG-13 for some intense violence and gore. LA TIMES guidelines: "some violence, gruesome doings, and unpleasant-looking creatures." My daughter, the ultimate movie buff, saw it on the first night (naturally!). She liked it. But, then, she has followed the X-files series from day one. Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 963-8508 (home phone) 967 Garcia Road (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 *********************************************************************** * "To cling rigidly to familiar ideas is in essence the same as * * blocking the mind from engaging in creative free play." * * * * David Bohm and F. David Peat 1987 * *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:16:25 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Subject: Re: mites In-Reply-To: <1053a7af.3594321f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:43 PM 6/26/98 -0400, you wrote: >It is used in conjunction with a circular slide rule which gives an idiot's guide as to >whether to treat or not depending on the estimated number of mites in the >colony and the time of year. An "idiot's guide" now that sounds like something I could use. How about giving us some details or just a hint on when NOT to treat. ttul, the OLd Drone ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:27:31 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Janko Organization: Department of Biology, University of Ljubljana Subject: Call for abstracts, Apitherapy Comments: To: Apitherapy List , "BEEBREED@LISTSERV.UOGUELPH.CA" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D90911D14722440A339B8BAC" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D90911D14722440A339B8BAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Liners, Tomorrow is the last day that you can send your abstract for Apitherapy symposium in Portoroz, September 17th. Please check for more details at url: http://www.uni-lj.si/~bfbee/apitherapy/index.html or ask for more information via e-mail to: janko.bozic@uni-lj.si Please indicate if you can not get information on the Symposium web page. Don't hesitate to contact us if you have problems with time deadline for the abstract. You can also send it by e-mail. Your active participation is welcome at our Symposium. I will accept any abstract and forward it to Scientific committee if an abstract will be sent by e-mail before 9th of July. Don't forget to include with the message also your snail mail address that organizer can send you answer and some more informational materials with regular mail. Non active visitors are also very welcome to the symposium. Check our Web page http://www.uni-lj.si/~bfbee/apitherapy/index.html for international scientific committee and later for titles of talks and presentations at the Symposium. Thank you for your attention and participation ! member of organizing committee Janko Bozic P.S. Ignore this message if you have already send your abstract(s). --------------D90911D14722440A339B8BAC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=iso-8859-2; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Bozic, Janko Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Janko Bozic n: Bozic;Janko org: Department of Biology, University of Ljubljana adr: BF-Department of Biology;;Vecna pot 111;Ljubljana;;1000;SLOVENIA email;internet: janko.bozic@uni-lj.si title: Behavioral and Physiology of Honeybees tel;work: 386(61)12-333-88 tel;fax: 386(61)273-390 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------D90911D14722440A339B8BAC-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:11:06 +0000 Reply-To: S.R.PEARCE@dundee.ac.uk Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Steve Pearce Organization: Dundee Biochemistry Subject: Re: Varroa infecting Scotland "There were several colonies involved at St. Andrews. They were in three seperate apiaries and the infestations ranged from over 300 mites dropped in a diagnostic test to only one. I have recieved this information from a VERY reliable source. Unfortunately it appears that something of a witch hunt developed, and several of the 'hawks' put severe pressure on the unfortunate beekeepers who found they had the mite, and as a result of beekeeper pressure, NOT from the authorities, the colonies have been destroyed. To me this is tragic, and at least one of the parties involved is an old time beekeeper who has loved his bees and been diligant and vigilant for years. This man deserves praise and support as he was sharp enough to discover what others had not, namely that varroa is in his area. He did not deserve to be hounded out of bees. __________________________________________________________________________________________ Dear Harry Murray and all, I live 20 miles from St Andrews, I expect Varroa to come into my area very soon, and I am more vigilant, and probably better prepared than my neighbours, who may not know anything of varroa (not you Gavin!) There is no prize for guessing who in my area will find varroa first ! I am at the moment apprehensive of the "ignorant mob" who will decend and probably destroy all my hives and put me out of beekeeping for good. I don't see how they can also get rid of the feral/wild bee population which in my area probably outnumbers the hobby/commercial hives. In the populated central belt of Scotland, which is geographically similar to the North of England, the mite is here, probably well installed and there is no point in destroying hives. To the contrary we need to be keeping as many colonies going as possible, with effective management of the infected bees. Harry's situation IS differrent, he lives in the Highlands, a sparsely populated area, with very few wild bees, and many miles of upland bleak mountainous terrain between him and the next bee. There are also few if any wild/feral colonies in this area. In these situations,the only bees are managed bees, which are largely dependent on skilled management to survive. Harry and other committed beekeepers in the Highlands and Western Isles probably can keep varroa out, and I will admit that here it may be logical to culling infected colonies. But considering the amount of people who move hives to the heather, he may have to wipe out his entire stock every couple of years. And how would he restock if he had to do this ? Best wishes to all, Steve, Kilspindie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:36:06 -0500 Reply-To: sbarnes@bstream.com Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: sbarnes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >stinking little ants I've had good luck using cooking oil, using a spray bottle spray enough under and around the lid to soak the little critters. They don't come back and the oil soaks the ones that's there and kills them, I don't seem to have trouble with roaches either when I use the cooking oil and I haven't had any other pest come to the hive because of the oil. Brian Barnes sbarnes@bstream.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:30:02 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: JCooper Subject: Ants Comments: To: sbarnes@bstream.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been able to get rid of ants by sprinkling Comet scouring powder on top of the inner cover. Don't know if any similar products would work to the same effect. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:42:05 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Patrick O'Hearn Subject: Pierco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings from sunny, parched, very hot northern New Mexico. I would like to cast my vote in favor of Pierco plastic (any plastic, but I use Pierco primarily). I placed a set of this years nucs (made in April and grown to two deeps) one week ago in an area with lots of yellow clover. Traditionally this is a good area but, with the drought like conditions I was wondering just how much nectar the clover would yield. We have had several weeks of 90+ temps and no rain for so long that I forget what clouds look like. Anyway, I supered with frames of undrawn Pierco (9 frames of Pierco, one bait frame drawn comb). When I went back yesterday to check, all colonies had completely drawn and filled one box and were working on the second box. Two points: 1. With a STRONG honeyflow, the bees will draw the plastic with no burr comb, no false starts...of course with a strong flow they will probably draw just about anything. 2. As a test I have interspersed black, white, yellow, and brown plastic to see if I could tell a difference in acceptance. They seemed to draw all from the center frames to the outer frames regardless of the frame color. I have another set that does not have clover and is definately affected by the dry weather. The bees are making honey, but at a much slower rate. Inspecting them, I find that they are drawing the plastic at a slower rate, and seem to prefer the wax foundation although again, by interspersing various colors, and plastic and wax, I still see the normal pattern of drawing from the center to the edge of the box. They may skip a plastic frame to work an adjacent wax frame but, when they need the space, they seem to come back in to work the plastic. Again, I dont really see a difference in acceptance based on color. I have to admit that I have been sceptical concerning the color. I know the Canadians seem to find a preference for black plastic but I still wonder how the bees see any color inside the hive in the dark (admittedly a lot of my equipment has enough holes in it that some light probably filters in ). That said, I think the color could be useful in rotating out brood comb. As is often said on the net...my opinion only, your mileage may vary. Patrick M. O'Hearn Bears Choice Honey Bloomfield, New Mexico patrick@cyberport.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:42:25 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: "(Thomas) (Cornick)" Subject: Re: Pierco Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit So the question is whether the Pierco company will make a stiffer foundation to satisfy those beekeepers who don't like the "feel" or if some other company will start up where Pierco left off. Tom in CT ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:56:56 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Ian Watson Subject: Re: Ants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suppose if you sprinkled cyanide on the inner cover that would work too, but I wouldn't want to eat the honey. Comet does not belong anywhere near bees and honey. This type of thing will only lead to the general public doubting the "pure"-ness and "natural"-ness of honey should they find out. Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com real estate agent gardener baritone beekeeper---> 13 colonies >I have been able to get rid of ants by sprinkling Comet scouring powder >on top of the inner cover. > >Don't know if any similar products would work to the same effect. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:11:29 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: David W Oakes Subject: Plastic frames and etc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wondered, as the thread has been about plastic frames vs wax. Has anyone had experience with plastic "pre drawn" cells? I have had no experience with plastic frames, only with "rite cell" with wood frames. The bees have little trouble as long as there is a flow.. Dave in Indiana ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:36:38 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: M Greene Subject: Re: Ants MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could not agree with you more . I did not think cyanide, but several other things came to mind. Ants should be taken care of outside the hive. Sprinkle some of that comet around the perimeter of the base of your hives. It should work just as good there, and not have the bees or ants bringing it in the hive. Bobby from Gardiner N.Y. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Watson To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Ants >I suppose if you sprinkled cyanide on the inner cover that would >work too, but I wouldn't want to eat the honey. Comet does not >belong anywhere near bees and honey. This type of thing will >only lead to the general public doubting the "pure"-ness and >"natural"-ness of honey should they find out. > >Ian Watson realtor@niagara.com >real estate agent gardener baritone >beekeeper---> 13 colonies > > >>I have been able to get rid of ants by sprinkling Comet scouring powder >>on top of the inner cover. >> >>Don't know if any similar products would work to the same effect. >> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:15:43 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Allen Banks Subject: Al's Beekeeping Homepage Diary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you interested, I have began running a diary of the experience with my 2 hives. (What I found and have done on each of my visits). Stay tuned, as I am updating it weekly. I am also looking at creating a classifieds page for those in and around Ontario. Let me know is this sound like a good idea. I have see a few others around the net, but they don't deal with specific areas, making it hard to post or look for something. Hope you enjoy it. http://www3.sympatico.ca/sgt.tibbs And follow the diary link Allen Banks ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:59:24 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Midnitebee Subject: help for fellow beekeeper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings.. I received the below message..maybe a fellow beekeeper that lives close may want to help? John L. Goforth Mon Jun 29 22:15:13 1998 Location: McMinnville, Tn. 37110 E-mail: johnyg@blomand.net Comments:I am new in the beekeeeping business, and I would appreciete any help that anyone is willing to give me. Holly-B Apiary P.O.Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:24:52 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Computer Software Solutions Ltd Subject: varroa in Ireland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All As you know, varroa has appeared in Ireland. I have heard this morning that the Department of Agriculture in Dublin has decided to destroy about 100 hives in the counties affected. But surely infected feral colonies will re infest clean hives even given that all of the infected hives have been destroyed (quite a presumption). Maybe the Department has slowed it down but for how long?. There is much less migratory beekeeping in Ireland than in the UK, so this will help to slow down it's progress. But at the end of the day we are stuck with it, with all the added time and effort that must be expended. I daresay that some of the older beekeepers will lose heart which is a pity. I understand that something like half of the beekeepers in the UK gave up in the first five years. Seems like a profound effect on the craft. Sincerely Tom Barrett 49 South Park Foxrock Dublin 18 Ireland e mail cssl@iol.ie Tel + 353 1 289 5269 Fax + 353 1 289 9940 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:14:01 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Tom Sanford Subject: beeswax opportunity Comments: cc: nadir@mari-el.ru MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody got some good contacts and willing to pursue this? Tom Sanford Florida Extension Apiculturist >Return-path: >Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:28:13 +0400 >From: nadir >Subject: beeswax >To: mts@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > Dear Sirs. > We are a small beekeeping company from Russia. We would be very much >obliged to you if you could help us with any kind of information about >companies that may need beeswax. We would also appreciate it if you could >help us to find out retail and wholesale prices on beeswax on the market of >your country. We know that beeswax is used for manufacturing a lot of >products, but we are not sure we know them all. Could you, please, give us >more detailed information about it? > Thank you for your help, please feel always welcome to contact us if >you need any kind of information about Russian beekeepers. We'll be happy >to help you. > Awaiting your soon reply. > > Best regards: > Nadir Zagidullin. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:42:53 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ruary Rudd Subject: Varroa In Ireland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An item in the Irish Times today states thaat the Government has decided on a policy of slaughtering the stocks to eracicate Varroa from this Island. According to the paper about 100 hives belonging to some twelve beekeepers are to be killed. It is hoped that this will solve the problem.!!!! From the information which i had recieved the original discovery was in two colonies some fisteen miles apart, in one colony the mites were seen on the backs of the bees and in the other deformed bees were noticed. I beleive that both these symptoms are indicative of heavy infestations, and the whole exercise smacks of shutting the stable door ........ Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:56:38 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Varroa In Ireland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > According to the paper about 100 hives belonging to some twelve > beekeepers are to be killed. > > It is hoped that this will solve the problem.!!!! This will not irradicate varroa in Ireland. It may however irradicate some twelve Irish beekeepers. > symptoms are indicative of heavy infestations, and > the whole exercise smacks of shutting the stable door .... Yes, shutting the door and killing the farmer! That'll fix that damn horse! Aaron Morris - thinking if you won't learn from your mistakes you're doomed to making them over and over again! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:37:59 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:35:35 -0500 To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: SurferGirl@ddg.com (Jackie O'Keefe) Subject: Re: Roaches Where are you located? What kind of roaches? What's the weather like? FWIW, I'm in Texas, and don't yet own bees, but when dry summer weather comes, wood roaches migrate to places where they can find shelter and moisture. They are large, reddish-to-dark-brown and they fly. During dry spells they'll come into the house, but normally they'd rather be in a nice moist rotten log outdoors. Jackie O'Keefe Librarian, Naturalist and Bee-L Lurker ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:17:16 -0700 Reply-To: GSTYER@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: George Styer Subject: Re: Varroa In Ireland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has the Irish government had their heads so far in the sand (or elsewhere) that they figured varroa would never show up and therefore had no plan for dealing with it? Do they have a treatment plan or is this the best they can come up with? Geez...seems sort of senseless given that varroa has been around elsewhere for some period of time. ---------- > From: Ruary Rudd > To: BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU > Subject: Varroa In Ireland > Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 10:42 AM > > An item in the Irish Times today states thaat the Government has decided on > a policy of slaughtering the stocks to eracicate Varroa from this Island. > > According to the paper about 100 hives belonging to some twelve beekeepers > are to be killed. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:21:42 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology From: mcmanus Subject: Re: varroa in Ireland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All It is a sad day for what is about to happen in Ireland because of Varroa. It is a sad day for the world when the only way to solve a problem is to kill off the host. Some, I suppose, feel that this will take care of the situation and it will temporarily. Unfortunately this action only puts on the "band-aid" but doesn't cure the wound. All beekeepers throughout the world know when something is wrong with their hives, when the bees start dropping like flies. Sometimes there is panic in the streets, in such as to say, brake out the hoses and wash everything away, then all will be well. Then there are those individuals will stand up and figure out how to find an answer or at the least, find a control. The sad part to this problem, is the population of the world as a whole, doesn't know or understand what the real problem is and could care less. Not realizing what will happen when the food they eat every day, will slowly disappear. There are some of us who know a little on what to do and there are some who may know more, of course there are those who know it all. But the real problem we face, as the keepers of bees, is how eradicate that little bug altogether. We do not have the funds that it would take to do the studies required. This is where education of the masses in every country of the world, has to be a must, in order to have the monies from the people to save us all from the hunger that is sure to come. We are on top of the problem because we work with it. Then it stands to reason, don't it?, that we as a group, have to open our mouths to all that will listen. In most countries of the world, the people control their goverments. For this mite is a world problem and it will not go away any time soon. Sorry for the long post. Joe McManus Bremerton,WA. USA Tel 360-698-0104 > I daresay that some of the older beekeepers will lose heart which is a pity.